Discussion - March 8th.

[need2no]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


You know some people have stated that Christine does not have a voice; however that is not true. She is blogging whenever she wants to which is her vessel of communication. The one who does NOT have a voice at all is Nicholas. [/*]

I agree, she sure seems to have a voice IMO. As a matter of fact she made that quite clear when she pointed out it was her blog and she would choose what to write on it.

[isitme]

Originally posted by Snowbird


.....snipped......

How do you know who I am? [/*]


I'm leaning towards believing you are Christine F.




Speaking for myself, I am an Etsy member, I do not sell anything there, but have been a member for a year. I never heard of CF before this all started so I hardly think I can be accused of being jealous of someone I didn't know.

I think this whole conspiracy theory of an Etsy member being jealous enough to do something to NF just to harm CF is a plot to get this board shut down. Perhaps because you are CF and you don't like what it is being uncovered here.





Go ahead and ignore me on this. It won't change my mind.

[decor]

I recall reading that the best friend or someone said that Nick was excited about the new baby.

[decor]

Originally posted by isitme



I'm leaning towards believing you are Christine F.




Speaking for myself, I am an Etsy member, I do not sell anything there, but have been a member for a year. I never heard of CF before this all started so I hardly think I can be accused of being jealous of someone I didn't know.

I think this whole conspiracy theory of an Etsy member being jealous enough to do something to NF just to harm CF is a plot to get this board shut down. Perhaps because you are CF and you don't like what it is being uncovered here.





Go ahead and ignore me on this. It won't change my mind. [/*]

since snowbird has been a member since LAST year I find it hard to believe she could be Christine who just happened to use this site.

[n/t]

Originally posted by decor
I recall reading that the best friend or someone said that Nick was excited about the new baby. [/*]

I recall reading Christine did but nobody else did. Not saying they didn't, I don't recall anyone but Christine saying so.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by cteall
Oh WOW Snowbird, you "hated" someone on one of the boards that was spending her time trying to help someone in need? I am really sorry you feel that way. Each of us should be able to add what we want to a discussion without being hated. I haven't seen a single thing on any of her posts that would even cause me to question her motives let alone dislike her, let alone "hate" her. [/*]

The only thing that made me crazy about her was when i first found this board, she could NOT understand at all why people would put a missing loved one on thier myspace page picture. She was all upset and offended about it. And said things like hopefully they'll realize what they're doing and how awful it was for people to be doing that. Putting a missing person up on the default picture and saying stuff like "help find "so and so". People tried to explain it to her, but she was not liking it at all. I was like "huh????" lol

[decor]

Originally posted by n/t


I recall reading Christine did but nobody else did. Not saying they didn't, I don't recall anyone but Christine saying so. [/*]

I remember reading it because it was said by someone that I didn't expect to say it that is why I thought it may have been the friend.

[Sunday Moon]

Nothing new? Ugh.

If Nicholas walked away then someone helped him. Is there anyone ELSE missing? If it's someone he knew online then they can look through the computer records. Have they done that? Will Christine let them? If not, could they get a subpoena to do so?

Has anyone heard if Viliamu Fale has been found?

[isitme]

Originally posted by decor


since snowbird has been a member since LAST year I find it hard to believe she could be Christine who just happened to use this site. [/*]

And that PROVES that snowbird is not CF?????

As has been said for the most part we don't know who anybody on here really is do we?

I don't think it is unreasonable to think the snowbird is CF regardless of how she has been a member here. Wouldn't it possible for CF to have been hanging out on here before NF ever disappeared?????



If nothing else my statement is no more bazaar than the Etsy/jealousy theory.

[kpb]

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Originally posted by decor


since snowbird has been a member since LAST year I find it hard to believe she could be Christine who just happened to use this site. [/*]
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Originally posted by Envision


But then again with all the hundreds of blogs and websites and forums they both belonged to and participated in, who really knows besides snowbird if she is indeed Christine or not? [/*]


Maybe she joined last year to get "tips"... heck maybe reading stuff on here is what gave her the IDEA! :tongue:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by isitme


And that PROVES that snowbird is not CF?????

As has been said for the most part we don't know who anybody on here really is do we?

I don't think it is unreasonable to think the snowbird is CF regardless of how she has been a member here. Wouldn't it possible for CF to have been hanging out on here before NF ever disappeared?????



If nothing else my statement is no more bazaar than the Etsy/jealousy theory. [/*]

What I don't understand is that some of the people from Etsy have stated that Christine complained about her husband and her life....so why would someone be jealous of that?

I wonder if some of the theories tossed out here have actually been right on target and some people know it. Problem is we don't know which one it is.

[desmom]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Nothing new? Ugh.

If Nicholas walked away then someone helped him. Is there anyone ELSE missing? If it's someone he knew online then they can look through the computer records. Have they done that? Will Christine let them? If not, could they get a subpoena to do so?

Has anyone heard if Viliamu Fale has been found? [/*]

:seeya:

IMO, if NF was communicating with someone on line, he would not have done it with their home computer.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the break room at Publicis.

I haven't seen anything about VF.

jmo

[decor]

Originally posted by kpb
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Originally posted by decor


since snowbird has been a member since LAST year I find it hard to believe she could be Christine who just happened to use this site. [/*]
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Maybe she joined last year to get "tips"... heck maybe reading stuff on here is what gave her the IDEA! :tongue: [/*]

gave her the idea of....what?

[kpb]

I still have a feeling that his disappearance has something to do with them leaving the church, like maybe someone high up in the church is responsible. They seem more than a little strict and forceful.

Then again I can't help thinking about Nicholas' Twitter account, I think there are some clues there.

I keep thinking of different things that may of happened, but I keep coming back to the church issue.

These are just my opinion.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Nothing new? Ugh.

If Nicholas walked away then someone helped him. Is there anyone ELSE missing? If it's someone he knew online then they can look through the computer records. Have they done that? Will Christine let them? If not, could they get a subpoena to do so?

Has anyone heard if Viliamu Fale has been found? [/*]

This morning some of us posted some of the things we felt LE should be doing and checking the computer records was on that list.

There is so much more than can be done. I understand the fact that there may be other cases that take priority over this one because of lack of evidence but I believe if the family continues to push authorities, they may do something. Instead we have a wife who believes her husband was murdered but yet is not doing anything about it or at least nothing that she's revealed to the media and no word whatsoever from his family.

Heck, I'm a total stranger and am frustrated. Someone needs to find Nicholas. Good or bad.

[kpb]

Originally posted by decor


gave her the idea of....what? [/*]

To make Nicholas disappear.

I don't believe Christine did anything to harm him though.

[figritout]

Originally posted by kpb
I still have a feeling that his disappearance has something to do with them leaving the church, like maybe someone high up in the church is responsible. They seem more than a little strict and forceful.


Then again I can't help thinking about Nicholas' Twitter account, I think there are some clues there.

I keep thinking of different things that may of happen, but I keep coming back to the church issue.

These are just my opinion. [/*]

One of the theories running through my head also. Couple of other scenarios could be that either NF or CF were having an affair with a member of the church. But it all is just speculation without knowing why they resigned.

[Sunday Moon]

Well, at least now I know what Etsy is. I never heard of it and am browsing through. There is some YUMMY whipped bath cream that I think I may buy. Lots of cool stuff there, the hippie in me loves it all!

[n/t]

Originally posted by desmom


:seeya:

IMO, if NF was communicating with someone on line, he would not have done it with their home computer.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the break room at Publicis.

I haven't seen anything about VF.

jmo [/*]

Why wouldn't he have done it from their home computer? Curious.

[wondering?]

I wonder if the church is somehow involved in this mystery. Was thinking along the lines of an Intervention type thing. Like when they used to get someone out of a cult group and take them away to try to re program their thinking. Could this be just the opposite, get him back into the church's way of thinking.
Probably a crazy idea of mine.

I have also been thinking about his car. Hopefully LE has checked the trunk. Do you recall that case recently where the LE gave a car back to a missing woman's family and they found the woman in the backseat, under a blanket?

This case has me thinking day and night. Why is that ? Probably because this is a young, beautiful family and it makes me scared for some in my family.

[kpb]

Originally posted by figritout


One of the theories running through my head also. Couple of other scenarios could be that either NF or CF were having an affair with a member of the church. But it all is just speculation without knowing why they resigned. [/*]

That is what I said yesterday...that maybe some higher up in the church was "sweet" on Christine (that sounds so Wally and Beaverish :tongue: ) and was coming on strong and that is why they left. Now with NF out of the picture, maybe that person is trying to console her and that is why CF wanted the link to the church removed.

Or maybe Nicholas was approached by someone high up at the church as he left work on that Tuesday night to go somewhere to talk. Maybe they want to get Nicholas back on track on being the head of his household...or something like that.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


This morning some of us posted some of the things we felt LE should be doing and checking the computer records was on that list.

There is so much more than can be done. I understand the fact that there may be other cases that take priority over this one because of lack of evidence but I believe if the family continues to push authorities, they may do something. Instead we have a wife who believes her husband was murdered but yet is not doing anything about it or at least nothing that she's revealed to the media and no word whatsoever from his family.

Heck, I'm a total stranger and am frustrated. Someone needs to find Nicholas. Good or bad. [/*]

Same here - you echoed all the thoughts running through my brain.

If anyone reading here or posting here knows Christine personally, please ask her to contact Texas Equusearch to see if they can help.

[kpb]

Originally posted by wondering?
I wonder if the church is somehow involved in this mystery. Was thinking along the lines of an Intervention type thing. Like when they used to get someone out of a cult group and take them away to try to re program their thinking. Could this be just the opposite, get him back into the church's way of thinking.
Probably a crazy idea of mine.

[/*]

No wondering?, that isn't crazy at all! That is what I was trying to say also... but you described it so much better. :) Yes, like an intervention, cult group whisking him away to re program him back to their way of thinking. :beer:

[desmom]

Originally posted by n/t


Why wouldn't he have done it from their home computer? Curious. [/*]

I don't think he would risk Christine stumbling on to it, if she used his computer.

My husband & I have 2 computers. One is referred to as his computer and the other is referred to as my computer. He spends as much time on mine as he does his own and vice-versa.

jmo

[moonlessnite]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I thought the husband was suppose to support the family. [/*]

ah, more sarcasm? :tongue:

[figritout]

Originally posted by kpb


That is what I said yesterday...that maybe some higher up in the church was "sweet" on Christine (that sounds so Wally and Beaverish :tongue: ) and was coming on strong and that is why they left. Now with NF out of the picture, maybe that person is trying to console her and that is why CF wanted the link to the church removed.

Or maybe Nicholas was approached by someone high up at the church as he left work on that Tuesday night to go somewhere to talk. Maybe they want to get Nicholas back on track on being the head of his household...or something like that. [/*]

Very good insight. I feel like we are doing some true sluething here... Without information it could be so many different things. ?NF is with someone from there for many different reasons, or NF is no longer alive because of someone from there.? They resigned and the link was removed for a reason.

[moonlessnite]

Mystryphobia is just as likely CF.

Originally posted by isitme


And that PROVES that snowbird is not CF?????

As has been said for the most part we don't know who anybody on here really is do we?

I don't think it is unreasonable to think the snowbird is CF regardless of how she has been a member here. Wouldn't it possible for CF to have been hanging out on here before NF ever disappeared?????



If nothing else my statement is no more bazaar than the Etsy/jealousy theory. [/*]

[n/t]

Originally posted by desmom


I don't think he would risk Christine stumbling on to it, if she used his computer.

My husband & I have 2 computers. One is referred to as his computer and the other is referred to as my computer. He spends as much time on mine as he does his own and vice-versa.

jmo [/*]

If they're on a network setup, Christine would have to know his password to access his stuff and vice versa.

My sons have their own computers, however if anything happens to theirs, they can use mine. We all have our own separate passwords. They can't access my stuff unless they know my password.

[desmom]

Bella Garden Art
http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5187790

[n/t]

What is this church all about? What kind of church is it? I remember reading it was a Protestant Church. Do they have to sign up to become a member? Is this the same church his sisters are involved in?

[need2no]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
That's it exactly!!
Little white birds hiding in bushes, sing sing sing
I'm the Wife I'm the Wife
I write in the present tense, I write as if I am in the "know" I write and your writing gives you away.......ALWAYS :D

Cat [/*]


:beer:

[huskiki]

Originally posted by desmom
Bella Garden Art
http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5187790 [/*]

This one is new to me. I'm not so sure that these products will take off, anyone can stamp a rock.

At least she's always thinking of new ideas.

[desmom]

Originally posted by n/t


If they're on a network setup, Christine would have to know his password to access his stuff and vice versa.

My sons have their own computers, however if anything happens to theirs, they can use mine. We all have our own separate passwords. They can't access my stuff unless they know my password. [/*]

If Christine knew the password to his paypal account, she may have known the password to his computer.

IMO, it would be pretty stupid to have an on-line affair on a computer that could be accessed by your spouse...password protected or not, where there is a will there is a way.

jmo

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by Snowbird


Thank you, and others that were on the Naomi Arnett thread also know where I live. [/*]

I remember you from Naomi's threads...

by the way, I heard from Angela today.. I still remain in contact with her.

[need2no]

Originally posted by desmom
Bella Garden Art
http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5187790 [/*]


Thanks for posting the link, I was curious.

If these things are selling I'm giving up my day job and going on a rock hunt.:D

[need2no]

Originally posted by Envision


Here, use these ones that the Stepford Etsys threw at me for asking questions on that thread...:tongue: [/*]

LOL, hope you ducked. And thank you, my new career is officially launched, now where did I put that paint.....

[n/t]

Originally posted by desmom
Bella Garden Art
http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5187790 [/*]

I think Christine liked being a SAHM and would find all these little projects to justify her not getting a job away from the home.

Not saying it's wrong but I don't think she's the type that would want to get up in the morning, rush to get herself and the kids ready for daycare, go to work 9:00 - 5:00, come home, make dinner, bathe the kids, etc.

Maybe that's why she's so obsessed with money and getting donations. Maybe with Nicholas disappearance, she realized that she has no other choice but to get a job outside the home to support her family??

Finances may have been one of the motives for his leaving (if that's what happened). She probably didn't want to work outside the home and expenses needed to be paid. Could this be a reason she's coming across as angry? She knew exactly why Nicholas left?

[soyesterday]

O/T
I just found out that i can only edit my post up until 10 minutes after i've posted it.
So i guess we can't regret saying something and go back and fix it if it's been 10 minutes or more???
Unless i contact the administrator it says.
Well i'm sorry for my last post. I wasn't trying to be mean or start any problems. It was just something that i had noticed on a differnt thread that was kinda strange cuz we always talk about putting stuff up on myspace here.
Anyway......
i'm sorry if i caused any problems there.......

[n/t]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I do not know anything about this particular church but a lot of Protestant churches you do join as a member. Some churches when you change churches you would have your membership changes and it would have to be approved by both Pastors. [/*]

hmmmm interesting. I had no idea. So if someone decides to leave the church, they have to get approval first signed by both Pastors?

And I thought the Catholics were strict. :o

[huskiki]

Originally posted by n/t


I think Christine liked being a SAHM and would find all these little projects to justify her not getting a job away from the home.

Not saying it's wrong but I don't think she's the type that would want to get up in the morning, rush to get herself and the kids ready for daycare, go to work 9:00 - 5:00, come home, make dinner, bathe the kids, etc.

Maybe that's why she's so obsessed with money and getting donations. Maybe with Nicholas disappearance, she realized that she has no other choice but to get a job outside the home to support her family??

Finances may have been one of the motives for his leaving (if that's what happened). She probably didn't want to work outside the home and expenses needed to be paid. Could this be a reason she's coming across as angry? She knew exactly why Nicholas left? [/*]

Hi n/t :seeya:

Your last two sentences ...I think that's exactly it!

[need2no]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Did anyone catch the insinuation that someone was interested in a sex change operation, now what in the heck is that all about; and who not in the Know would write such a thing?
This Toy says scroll back my friends scroll back. Read it and weep.
Cat [/*]

I scrolled, I scrolled, but couldn't find it...could you give me a page
number? TIA

[n/t]

Originally posted by need2no



Thanks for posting the link, I was curious.

If these things are selling I'm giving up my day job and going on a rock hunt.:D [/*]

LOL. I was thinking the same thing. $12.00 for a rock?

Anybody interested in ice cones? I think I'll be making tons until July if the snow doesn't let up. :rolleyes:

[soyesterday]

For the record, in case i didn't make it clear before, i think Christine IS involved w/ Nick disapearing.
I know people might throw stuff at me and i'm probably in the minority, but i don't think Nick just walked away on his own. And i don't think he just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I think Christine either did something to him and panicked and asked someone for help OR she planned for him to disapear, waited for the right amount of time and then called the police. I really think she could have involved someone else, maybe a stranger to help her make him go away.
I can't figure out how, but her comments really get to me.
You don't "give up" on the love of your life, the father of your children, only 3 weeks after.
You don't say you have to "move on" that early. You cry. You get help. You are so upset you can't think. But you are out there everyday searching and on the phone all the time trying to find out whatever you can.
I can't figure out for the life of me why Nick's family is being so quiet. At all. It's bugging me so much and i wish we could know why.
Unless they just know something more than we all do. And they are waiting for her to get in trouble maybe? I dunno.......

[Nellie]

Originally posted by n/t


hmmmm interesting. I had no idea. So if someone decides to leave the church, they have to get approval first signed by both Pastors?

And I thought the Catholics were strict. :o [/*]

Nothing will happen to anyone who leaves and doesn't "officially resign". The most that might happen is a visitor from the church coming to their door or newsletters and such from the church still arriving in their mailboxes. Nothing happens...

[isitme]

Originally posted by desmom
Bella Garden Art
http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5187790 [/*]

So let me get this staight.

CF has three shops at Etsy

NF has one shop at Etsy

Only two of the 4 have any mention of NF being missing - the one that she sells *&* products from and the clothing one.

None of the shops have been closed - as in no merchandise to buy. Not even NF's.

The only cross reference to each shop is the rock shop mentions the *&* and the clothing shops. But none of her shops mentions NF's shop. And there is no mention of the rock shop in any of the other shops.


Nope this does not help find NF. It just seems to be enethical at the least? When the rules clearly state that all shops owned by the same person must list the names of the other shops.

Hmmmmm, interesting.

[n/t]

Originally posted by huskiki


Hi n/t :seeya:

Your last two sentences ...I think that's exactly it! [/*]

You know, I'd rather believe he left because of personal issues at home and he's safe and maybe needed to clear his head of all the pressures at home than to think he was murdered.

I pray that's what it is and he'll come home and his children will get to see him again. Even if he doesn't want Christine in his life anymore, I pray he doesn't abandon his children.

I keep hoping. :rose:

[need2no]

Originally posted by desmom


:seeya:

IMO, if NF was communicating with someone on line, he would not have done it with their home computer.

I would love to be a fly on the wall in the break room at Publicis.

I haven't seen anything about VF.

jmo [/*]


LOL, me too...can you share space on the wall with me. I wonder if anyone at Publicis is able to get any work done these days.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Snowbird


Not to leave the Church but as in Baptist or Methidist, say you are in tha Church in NW Seattle and you wanted to change to the church in SW Seattle you would need to have your membership transfered to that church and both pastors agree. But if you just wanted to leave and not change then I guess you would just resign. [/*]

Is that what Christine and Nicholas did? They just resigned right?

[n/t]

Originally posted by Beth


lol, I've scrolled back so far I'm on the OJ threads. If you figure it out, please let me know too. TIA [/*]

OMG Beth. I just spewed coffee all over my desk. You scrolled all the way to the OJ threads? ROFLMAO!

OMG I'm laughing so hard. :lol:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by soyesterday
For the record, in case i didn't make it clear before, i think Christine IS involved w/ Nick disapearing.
I know people might throw stuff at me and i'm probably in the minority, but i don't think Nick just walked away on his own. And i don't think he just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I think Christine either did something to him and panicked and asked someone for help OR she planned for him to disapear, waited for the right amount of time and then called the police. I really think she could have involved someone else, maybe a stranger to help her make him go away.
I can't figure out how, but her comments really get to me.
You don't "give up" on the love of your life, the father of your children, only 3 weeks after.
You don't say you have to "move on" that early. You cry. You get help. You are so upset you can't think. But you are out there everyday searching and on the phone all the time trying to find out whatever you can.
I can't figure out for the life of me why Nick's family is being so quiet. At all. It's bugging me so much and i wish we could know why.
Unless they just know something more than we all do. And they are waiting for her to get in trouble maybe? I dunno....... [/*]

soy, in the beginning I really,really thought he just took off. I still do, but I'm leaning more and more towards foul play. And all the strange behaviors of C make me wonder how much she could be involved if that is the case. Her speaking of him in "pasttense" in earlier interviews and correcting herself. And she just seemed to know right from the get-go that he wasn't coming home and began her fundraising campaign (and I don't want to hear again that she never asked for money). And now she herself says she believes he was murdered and is ready to "move on" and find "closure". Money pleas came too fast and "closure" came too fast. Something is really, really wrong with this picture and I'm open to murder more than I was now.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Beth


lol, I've scrolled back so far I'm on the OJ threads. If you figure it out, please let me know too. TIA [/*]


ROFL- Oh nooooo, not the OJ threads. I'll be sure to let you know if I find out. :D

[n/t]

Originally posted by Nellie


Nothing will happen to anyone who leaves and doesn't "officially resign". The most that might happen is a visitor from the church coming to their door or newsletters and such from the church still arriving in their mailboxes. Nothing happens... [/*]

OK. I got spooked for a sec. It sounded like a cult.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Snowbird


hint, hint
You could just do a search for my posts from today. [/*]


Thank you, will do.

[figritout]

Another thought on the church affiliation. Maybe either NF overheard or outright learned of something going on that totally blew his mind enough to resign and he told them why he was leaving. I believe this has been broached here before and it is quite plausible and I wanted to revisit it. Churches are businesses but with a moral code that if challenged could make or break them. What if what he found ,if revealed, could shake this church to its foundations causing it to lose a great number of its members and funding? The church leaders would have to have knowledge that CF did not know about this or if she did she did not have the proof that NF could provide so would be no reason to see her as a threat just NF.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Nellie


good thing she could catch up those bills.... [/*]

I would like to catch up on mine too! :biggrin:

[n/t]

What is this church's rules on divorce? Not sure if I'm using the right term. Anyhoo, we know the Catholic church frowns on divorce. As a matter of fact, they don't believe in it. I'm still married in the eyes of my church eventhough I've been divorced for 18 years. Yeah, go figure.

Just wondering if this church is the same. Could Nicholas have confided in one of the priests or whatever they're called in that church that he was planning on a divorce? Christine finds out and is very upset with Nicholas?

[need2no]

Originally posted by Snowbird


hint, hint
You could just do a search for my posts from today. [/*]


I tried but wasn't successful, you have had a lot of posts today. Unless you've had second thoughts about what you posted, could you please post these thoughts again?

[n/t]

Originally posted by Beth


Go ahead and laugh. You think I'm kidding? Even after the "hint hint" and the search of the threads I'm not seeing it. :tongue:

Thank you for pointing me in the right direction when/if you find it. Sometimes I just feel so dumb around here!!! [/*]

I'm totally clueless too. I don't recall reading that post at all. I was hoping you'd find it so I wouldn't have to look. :lol:

[huskiki]

Originally posted by kpb
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Originally posted by decor


since snowbird has been a member since LAST year I find it hard to believe she could be Christine who just happened to use this site. [/*]
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Maybe she joined last year to get "tips"... heck maybe reading stuff on here is what gave her the IDEA! :tongue: [/*]


You took the words right out of my mouth. LOL Maybe she did sign up looking for ways to get away with a crime. Anything is possible.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Beth


Thank you. We're bound to find it sometime, right? [/*]

I have an appointment for an eye exam week after next, and not a moment too soon I'll tell you!

[need2no]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I actually remember making a post similar to that but do not remember word for word. [/*]

Word for word is not necessary, just give us the general jest of your thoughts.

[huskiki]

What are we all looking for?

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Beth


lol. I'm not sure anymore. :tongue: [/*]

:lol:

I've been trying to catch up which is nearly impossible this late at night. I did see someone mention a sex change operation or something like that. Is that what everyone is looking for? Do I have the right board? LOL

[need2no]

Originally posted by huskiki
What are we all looking for? [/*]


At this point I'm not sure I even remember anymore. :biggrin:

Oh yeah lol.... something Snowbird posted earlier today about NF and a sex change.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by need2no



At this point I'm not sure I even remember anymore. :biggrin:

Oh yeah lol.... something Snowbird posted earlier today about NF and a sex change. [/*]

OMG! LOL

OK, here I go :read:

[need2no]

Originally posted by huskiki


OMG! LOL

OK, here I go :read: [/*]

Yeah, I think I need to step away from the board and compose myself...be back a little later.

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by faraway


Snowbird , could you explain the Etsy connection please? You seem to feel very strongly about it .
How would an online community be involved in his disappearance ? I'm assuming these people live all over the USA and not really in the Seattle area ...or am I wrong ? [/*]


Not just the USA, etsy is world wide. Not quite sure how I am supposed to have murdered NF from the otherside of the world

[figritout]

Originally posted by n/t
What is this church's rules on divorce? Not sure if I'm using the right term. Anyhoo, we know the Catholic church frowns on divorce. As a matter of fact, they don't believe in it. I'm still married in the eyes of my church eventhough I've been divorced for 18 years. Yeah, go figure.

Just wondering if this church is the same. Could Nicholas have confided in one of the priests or whatever they're called in that church that he was planning on a divorce? Christine finds out and is very upset with Nicholas? [/*]

I think they probably do not condone divorce as with many churches, but while not condoning them many will also just look the other way. I wonder if either of them asked for counsel because they were so unhappy? When looking at all of this I try to link it to why NF is missing. Was someone so unhappy they walked away from it all? Or was someone so unhappy they ended it other ways? Or was there other people involved that took the decision out of both NF & CF hands?

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Snowbird


If my hubs disappeared suddenly, I would know it was foul play. Not because of a perfect marriage but because of his personality.
If he just wanted to leave me, had a girlfriend, thought he wanted to change sexual orientation, he would say as much. He would not run away without expressing that. So if he did not tell me what the problem was then there was no problem. I would say foul play simply because I know my husband and he speaks his mind. [/*]

Mention of a sex change but not directly related to Nicholas. Still :read:

Snowbird replied to it and I missed it while I was searching.

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by Envision
Christine actually has 3 shops. She sells decorative rocks in her 3rd less revealed shop. [/*]

can you post the link Envision, I had heard she had 3 but could only find 2.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by flyingfox


can you post the link Envision, I had heard she had 3 but could only find 2. [/*]

http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5187790

[isitme]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I think so but still don't know what it proves other than my husband says exactly what he thinks whether he is right or wrong. He is not afraid to speak his mind to anyone. [/*]



Not afraid to speak his mind - - - kind of like us?

[need2no]

Originally posted by Snowbird


I think so but still don't know what it proves other than my husband says exactly what he thinks whether he is right or wrong. He is not afraid to speak his mind to anyone. [/*]


My opthamologist and I thank you for posting 'it'. :D

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by isitme



I'm leaning towards believing you are Christine F.




[/*]

for me it is a toss up between sb and one other as to who is CF, or maybe they both are :shrug:

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


What I don't understand is that some of the people from Etsy have stated that Christine complained about her husband and her life....so why would someone be jealous of that?

I wonder if some of the theories tossed out here have actually been right on target and some people know it. Problem is we don't know which one it is. [/*]

I thought about this yesterday, and I think that if we had the patience we should go back through the posts to where there is a good disection of the facts as we know them and are then interrupted by the 'you can't say that you are bashing CF and it is not fair, I am going to stick up for her' I think this is an attempt to throw us of course when we get too close to the truth.

I have to go visit my mum in hospital, if I hae time when I get back I will start searching....

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Same here - you echoed all the thoughts running through my brain.

If anyone reading here or posting here knows Christine personally, please ask her to contact Texas Equusearch to see if they can help. [/*]

in one of the etsy threads, she says that she emailed the director, just have never heard anything after that as to if they are going to assist in searching.

could be that she only 'said' she emailed....

[YellowRose49]

How many of you use Etsy to sell your products? I see that place here a lot.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Snowbird


You can say anything you want but so can the folks taking up for Christine. There are not many facts that is the problem. I would like to see who first started the Christine bashing on the Etsy threads as that may just give us the person with motive that is jealous and just may be the poi we are looking for. [/*]

What are we looking for them for? I forget.....

[YellowRose49]

A person of interest for what? I don't understand what you mean.:confused:

[YellowRose49]

I had looked at that site, thinking of selling some of my husbands products there. A relative of mine sells her crafts there. I guess CF is/was a seller on there, huh? What did she sell?

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by Nellie


What are we looking for them for? I forget..... [/*]

IIRC snowbird has a theory that an etsy seller was jealous of CFs perfect life and did away with NF

did I paraphrase that correctly snowbird?:hat:

[YellowRose49]

Originally posted by flyingfox


IIRC snowbird has a theory that an etsy seller was jealous of CFs perfect life and did away with NF

did I paraphrase that correctly snowbird?:hat: [/*]

Welllllll....kind of farfetched, I would think. How many ETSY members live where the Franciscos live, anyway? Besides, seems that they get CF or one of the kids, not the husband (smile). Snowbird, in all due respect, I hope that this it not what you were inplying.

[YellowRose49]

I haven't seen this train of thinking yet, but here is a thought. Before I state that thought I want to agree that something is VERY wrong here. The wife is either really upset, thinking that he left on his own (or KNOWING it) and wishes him dead, thus setting in her mind that thought, OR....if their financial picture was strained, perhaps they planned this, to get money from people and he will sooner or later show up. I know that this is screwy, but stranger things have happened.
What have family members said? Does he have family nearby or is it just her (I'm sorry...I am not as well informed about this as I have been on past cases)who has family.
Could he have been upset at her getting pregnant (perhaps purposely) and threatened to leave if she did, fulfilling that threat? This happened to a cousin of mine.
I can hardly believe that the average family man would simply take off. I also find it odd that he would have met with foul play, unless she arranged it. Unless something was planned by the two of him, it DOES seem strange that, if he knew he was being searched for, he would not voluntarily show up.
I don't know. The facts are not truly known and we only have what the wife says. She is really rushing it to get her life back to normal, so it seems that she has few feelings (positive) about him, in any case. She is more concerned for her wellbeing, I suspect. IF he took off, that may be one of the reasons.


__________________

:shrug:

[truecrimejunkie]

when my husband and i were first married - he was fired as a youth pastor. this was a terrible experience for us - very unfair, etc.

when he wrote his letter of resignation (part of the "deal") he asked that we be removed from the church membership immediately. we certainly did NOT want to be associated with THAT church.

normally, if you leave a church, when you join a new one, they send a letter to the old church about "transferring" your membership.

my point? i feel you may "resign" because something happened that you feel strongly you do not want to be associated with.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by Nellie


soy, in the beginning I really,really thought he just took off. I still do, but I'm leaning more and more towards foul play. And all the strange behaviors of C make me wonder how much she could be involved if that is the case. Her speaking of him in "pasttense" in earlier interviews and correcting herself. And she just seemed to know right from the get-go that he wasn't coming home and began her fundraising campaign (and I don't want to hear again that she never asked for money). And now she herself says she believes he was murdered and is ready to "move on" and find "closure". Money pleas came too fast and "closure" came too fast. Something is really, really wrong with this picture and I'm open to murder more than I was now. [/*]

Something is just so not right here.
Didn't she say one time that they were so close that it was hard to find where one ended and the other began?
Or something like that???
For someone to say that and really feel that way, you're not going to be ready for "closure" and just be ready to move on after only 3 weeks.
What is going on here?
What happened to you Nick????
And where is your family??? Your mom? Your sisters?Your friends??
I really really think she did something to him or had someone do something to him, cuz this just isn't right.
I think she is getting away with murder!!!!

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by moonlessnite
Mystryphobia is just as likely CF.

[/*]

OHHH PUHLEEZE

I bet I planned being a member of CTV for years too.. just as my cover for killing my husband.

Just like you could very well be the one responsible for Nicholas' disappearance and you are just here to cast doubt on Christine.. so, that people look the other way. :rolleyes:

[figritout]

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie
when my husband and i were first married - he was fired as a youth pastor. this was a terrible experience for us - very unfair, etc.

when he wrote his letter of resignation (part of the "deal") he asked that we be removed from the church membership immediately. we certainly did NOT want to be associated with THAT church.

normally, if you leave a church, when you join a new one, they send a letter to the old church about "transferring" your membership.

my point? i feel you may "resign" because something happened that you feel strongly you do not want to be associated with. [/*]

Hi there! I see you have been around this board awhile and was wondering? Do you think there is a connection of feeling strongly you do not want to be assoiciated with it (church) and then go missing within two days? I may be grabbing at straws here and am just trying to weed through the stuff we know for fact to see if there is a connection. In so many crimes there is a link to the changes that people have made in their lives recently to what has happened to them. I know there are other reasons and scenarios that people leave but something, truly, about this church connection does not sit right with me.

[mc528]

Originally posted by desmom
Bella Garden Art
http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5187790 [/*]


Good evening all. Still catching up, been out all day. I'm only at the top of page 10, so maybe someone has already mentioned this....

I wonder why this shop doesn't have the same *closed* message in the announcement? Her other two shops do.....which, as has already been mentioned a couple of days ago, doesn't mean that they indeed are really closed.

Oh, and going back to the other Etsy topic from a few pages back....I'm also a seller on Etsy (not from Seattle), and I can assure you I didn't have anything to do with NF's disappearance, nor am I jealous of or hate CF.

Now to finish catching up......

MOO/JMO

[truecrimejunkie]

Originally posted by figritout


Hi there! I see you have been around this board awhile and was wondering? Do you think there is a connection of feeling strongly you do not want to be assoiciated with it (church) and then go missing within two days? I may be grabbing at straws here and am just trying to weed through the stuff we know for fact to see if there is a connection. In so many crimes there is a link to the changes that people have made in their lives recently to what has happened to them. I know there are other reasons and scenarios that people leave but something, truly, about this church connection does not sit right with me. [/*]

I guess my thought is: leaving the church is associated with making life changes?! being discontent?!

i think the timing is a little strange - but personally, i don't think the church or members knocked him off or anything. . .

[figritout]

Thanks truecrimejunkie, I value your opinion. Back to the thinking board I go...

[isitme]

Originally posted by mc528



Good evening all. Still catching up, been out all day. I'm only at the top of page 10, so maybe someone has already mentioned this....

I wonder why this shop doesn't have the same *closed* message in the announcement? Her other two shops do.....which, as has already been mentioned a couple of days ago, doesn't mean that they indeed are really closed.

[/*]

I noticed it as well.

and asked about it further down on page 10


quote:
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Originally posted by desmom
Bella Garden Art
http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5187790 [/*]
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So let me get this staight.

CF has three shops at Etsy

NF has one shop at Etsy

Only two of the 4 have any mention of NF being missing - the one that she sells *&* products from and the clothing one.

None of the shops have been closed - as in no merchandise to buy. Not even NF's.

The only cross reference to each shop is the rock shop mentions the *&* and the clothing shops. But none of her shops mentions NF's shop. And there is no mention of the rock shop in any of the other shops.


Nope this does not help find NF. It just seems to be enethical at the least? When the rules clearly state that all shops owned by the same person must list the names of the other shops.

Hmmmmm, interesting.

[Pam]

Originally posted by soyesterday


Something is just so not right here.
Didn't she say one time that they were so close that it was hard to find where one ended and the other began?
Or something like that???
For someone to say that and really feel that way, you're not going to be ready for "closure" and just be ready to move on after only 3 weeks.
What is going on here?
What happened to you Nick????
And where is your family??? Your mom? Your sisters?Your friends??
I really really think she did something to him or had someone do something to him, cuz this just isn't right.
I think she is getting away with murder!!!! [/*]

I've been trying to play catch up with yesterday and todays posts...whew!

I have to agree Soy, something just isn't right! CF keeps changing her story, even if it is slight changes at times, and every time I suspect her even more. (Not sure exactly what I think she did, but she seems to know much more than she's letting on).

BTW, I am also an Etsy member (seller) and "no" I did not have anything to do with NF coming up missing and did not even know that CF existed before her first post about her missing husband. I live in Colorado and yes, I do have an alibi for Feb. 13th :hat:

[YellowRose49]

It seems that most women posting (well, there might be men here too, I guess) seem to be suspicious of CF's behavior. Is is because we women have the knack of seeing through someone or recognizing off-key behavior? I note that we are able to do that with men, too (like the Scott and Drew Peterson's in this life), although there are always those who romantisize guys like that. Most men will give another man the benefit of the doubt (although my husband said immediately that DP is lying/guilty), but we women call another woman on the carpet readily.
I find CF either to be extremely self centered or clueless. Something is very off and most of us are able to see it. Why?

[kpb]

Originally posted by Snowbird


You can say anything you want but so can the folks taking up for Christine. There are not many facts that is the problem. I would like to see who first started the Christine bashing on the Etsy threads as that may just give us the person with motive that is jealous and just may be the poi we are looking for. [/*]

----------------------------

I wasn't aware of ANY Christine bashing on the Etsy threads. There may of been a person or two who asked questions, and they were pounced on that this thread is to support Christine, nothing else. The questions were not critical of Christine, just curiousity about what the status was on the search and such. :confused:

That's not to say there wasn't any bashing, I just didn't see it. If someone knows of some, would they be so kind as to put the link here.

There was also the thread that Dianaelaine started, but again I didn't see any Christine bashing in there either. :shrug:

[mc528]

Originally posted by Snowbird


You can say anything you want but so can the folks taking up for Christine. There are not many facts that is the problem. I would like to see who first started the Christine bashing on the Etsy threads as that may just give us the person with motive that is jealous and just may be the poi we are looking for. [/*]


Still catching up, but wanted to comment here. I don't remember anyone *bashing* CF on any of the Etsy threads....and I read every one of the posts in all of them, as they were posted. There were some questions and other comments, but nothing even remotely resembling bashing if I am recalling correctly. I believe all of the threads are posted here (in the sticky links thread).....maybe someone can find the bashing in those threads, I must have missed it. :shrug:

MOO/JMO

[YellowRose49]

Originally posted by Pam


I've been trying to play catch up with yesterday and todays posts...whew!

I have to agree Soy, something just isn't right! CF keeps changing her story, even if it is slight changes at times, and every time I suspect her even more. (Not sure exactly what I think she did, but she seems to know much more than she's letting on).

BTW, I am also an Etsy member (seller) and "no" I did not have anything to do with NF coming up missing and did not even know that CF existed before her first post about her missing husband. I live in Colorado and yes, I do have an alibi for Feb. 13th :hat: [/*]

That's great, Pam. Now we can rule you out as the i.p.!
Truly, SnowBird, I am not making fun of your thinking, albeit I do think that particular line of thought is way off. However, that is only my opinion. At this point, none of us know or can imagine the truth. We do know that SOMETHING happened.
Are the police letting up on this? Have they exhausted all sources (friends, relatives, co-workers, those church members?). It is hardly late enough to call it a cold case or to let go of it. Wonder what the cops REALLY think?

[kpb]

Originally posted by mc528



Still catching up, but wanted to comment here. I don't remember anyone *bashing* CF on any of the Etsy threads....and I read every one of the posts in all of them, as they were posted. There were some questions and other comments, but nothing even remotely resembling bashing if I am recalling correctly. I believe all of the threads are posted here (in the sticky links thread).....maybe someone can find the bashing in those threads, I must have missed it. :shrug:

MOO/JMO [/*]

:lol: Just posted the same thing mc528! :)

[need2no]

As I'm sure most of us do, I keep going over and over the same stuff in my mind. If NF planned to walk and CF knew nothing about this wouldn't he want to buy a little time for his get away?

CF has her own transportation and she very well could have panicked an gone looking for him if he is as prompt and reliable as she claims. He would have no way of knowing for certain how CF would react when he didn't arrive home on time, and she knew he couldn't call. Was NF already aware they needed sugar for the cookies? Did he check before hand, or dispose of the sugar they had? IIRC on one interview CF said she called NF about needing sugar, on the other interview she said he called her and said he was going to stop for sugar to make cookies. I can't imagine this would be the only delay NF could think of to buy some time. He could just have easily said he had to work late, rather than involve the child in this plan. Did CF suggest the cookie baking and NF just played along since his plans were already in motion? Is the cookie story just a tale to make NF sound like a dependable, devoted and loving father to put a nice spin on the missing man story and suck the public in?

What did Christine do that night? Did she call anyone to convey he hadn't shown up and ask for advise about what she should do, or ask someone to sit with her children so she could go look for NF? Having an old vehicle with no working cell phone, wouldn't her 1st thought be his car broke down, and since she knew where he was going she could have driven the route to try and look for him. Were things so bad between them that CF wasn't surprised when he didn't arrive home at the expected time? Did she really talk to him at work several times on the 13th?

After typing this out I'm leaning toward they are in on this together and NF had at least 12 hours to get his plan rolling. Meanwhile the cookie story was contrived to pull the public's heartstrings. Heck the pregnancy could even be part of the grand plan, but I raised an eyebrow about the midwife checking her out story. CF played the woe is me financial stress with everyone she spoke to when the word got out...to get the ball rolling without even having to outright suggest donations, and to make the disappearance sound even more worrisome, troubling and believeable. This computer savvy couple know how the schemes work, no doubt about that. The Paypal 'discovery' could have been planned and timed as well.

Has the public's interest and staying on top of this case thrown a monkey wrench into their plans. Is CF reading here to determine what we are thinking?

Just thinking out loud and shaking my head..........

[mc528]

Originally posted by kpb


:lol: Just posted the same thing mc528! :) [/*]



I need to read faster.....I'm way behind you guys! :D

[Nellie]

Ok, I've been doing some thinking...I do that sometimes! LOL!

There are two choices I can think of....
1. Nicholas is alive and took off to start a new life
2. Nicholas is dead...either suicide or murder.

Christine says she believes it was murder, but has nothing to base that on other than "wife intuition" and states it as a "matter of fact".

Ok, if we go with murder......could she divorce him? Can you divorce a dead man??? If not, then if she met someone down the road, what would she do about re-marrying? She can't have him declared dead for 7 years...is that right? Even if suicide, she'd still have to wait 7 years if they don't find his body, right?

Now, take him abandoning his family. How long in that case would she have to wait to get a divorce? Or, does she have to wait at all? If it's unknown what has happened to him can she just go get a divorce and say "he took off and abandoned us" or does she need proof of this?

Honestly, I don't think Christine would be the type of woman to be alone for very long. I don't mean that to sound cruel. But she has 2 small children and one on the way and no job outside of her Etsy stores. Even if she goes out and gets a job, she'll just be making enough probably to pay for daycare. So, if she is ready to move on and decides at some point that would include a man who would love her and her children and support them....how long would she have to wait? Or does she have to wait at all?

[decor]

Originally posted by isitme


I noticed it as well.

and asked about it further down on page 10


quote:
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Originally posted by desmom
Bella Garden Art
http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5187790 [/*]
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So let me get this staight.

CF has three shops at Etsy

NF has one shop at Etsy

Only two of the 4 have any mention of NF being missing - the one that she sells *&* products from and the clothing one.

None of the shops have been closed - as in no merchandise to buy. Not even NF's.

The only cross reference to each shop is the rock shop mentions the *&* and the clothing shops. But none of her shops mentions NF's shop. And there is no mention of the rock shop in any of the other shops.


Nope this does not help find NF. It just seems to be enethical at the least? When the rules clearly state that all shops owned by the same person must list the names of the other shops.

Hmmmmm, interesting. [/*]

I don't think you can really hold this against Christine about not disclosing other shops. Almost every single person that mentions they have another shop on the board does not list it. I check all of the time and rarely do I find one listed.

[Pam]

Originally posted by mc528



Still catching up, but wanted to comment here. I don't remember anyone *bashing* CF on any of the Etsy threads....and I read every one of the posts in all of them, as they were posted. There were some questions and other comments, but nothing even remotely resembling bashing if I am recalling correctly. I believe all of the threads are posted here (in the sticky links thread).....maybe someone can find the bashing in those threads, I must have missed it. :shrug:

MOO/JMO [/*]

I followed a lot of the threads in the Etsy forums during that time as well....I was really hoping that CF would post that NF came home safe and sound.

I never read a single post from anyone that bashed CF. I did see a few (very few) members asking questions, and it seemed like those were the people that were getting bashed. Seemed like if you weren't praying, donatiing, quoting scripture/prayers, then you got bashed for asking any type of logical/sensible question.

Which explains why so many Etsy people are over here now....freedom of speech, the freedom to think, the freedom to express one's thoughts, etc.... JMO ;)

[decor]

Originally posted by kpb


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I wasn't aware of ANY Christine bashing on the Etsy threads. There may of been a person or two who asked questions, and they were pounced on that this thread is to support Christine, nothing else. The questions were not critical of Christine, just curiousity about what the status was on the search and such. :confused:

That's not to say there wasn't any bashing, I just didn't see it. If someone knows of some, would they be so kind as to put the link here.

There was also the thread that Dianaelaine started, but again I didn't see any Christine bashing in the

no, no one on Etsy bashed Christine either. :shrug: [/*]

[YellowRose49]

I have a lot of the same questions?
I do wonder (since I came into this case late), what is the PayPal thing all about? Can anyone explain?
I would not be at all suprised if this was a planned thing and now, indeed, it is being questioned. Perhaps the police suspect it too and have backed off, waiting for what happens next?
What have family or friends said about this couple?

[Danette44]

Good Evening All!

Alot of interesting stories this evening - I sure wished I lived there I have a great idea to be sneaky :D

I would go door to door in her neighbor and ask to post the flier on the poles or trees - then just start to a casual talk about how sad it is with Nicholas missing. Sometimes they will open up......I know I'm grasping at straws...........lol

[Nellie]

need2know..here's a new idea. Maybe Nicholas had already told Christine he was leaving. She called him throughout the day and he finally turned off his cell phone so she'd leave home alone. But, then she called his work phone and he lied and said his cell phone was dead and that's why he didn't answer it. Then she "uses" her daughter and tells him he has to come home because she told Zea that daddy was going to bake cookies with her when he gets home. Maybe she thought that would make him come home....but it didn't work.

[Nellie]

I have a question I want to pose to any Etsy members here.
Did you donate to the fund for Christine in any way?
Do you feel differently about donating now that you have found out that Nicholas' paychecks have not stopped?
Do you think the donations should be stopped now that it is known?

Just curious....

[mc528]

Originally posted by Nellie
need2know..here's a new idea. Maybe Nicholas had already told Christine he was leaving. She called him throughout the day and he finally turned off his cell phone so she'd leave home alone. But, then she called his work phone and he lied and said his cell phone was dead and that's why he didn't answer it. Then she "uses" her daughter and tells him he has to come home because she told Zea that daddy was going to bake cookies with her when he gets home. Maybe she thought that would make him come home....but it didn't work. [/*]

JMO....that is a very plausible idea Nellie.

[YellowRose49]

You know, Nellie, you may have something there. Men hate confrontation, so turning off his cell phone would be logical to prevent her from calling. Also, her using one of the children as part of her ploy to get him to come home sounds plausible (I know how women think, lol).
Did the police ever check out the home thoroughly? I wonder if he took clothes?
Once again, if someone would answer me (I kind of feel like I'm talking to myself on here - grin) about the Pay Pal thing, I'd appreciate it. When I have some spare time, I'll go back and do some of my own footwork, but for now, I need help. Thanks in advance.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Nellie
need2know..here's a new idea. Maybe Nicholas had already told Christine he was leaving. She called him throughout the day and he finally turned off his cell phone so she'd leave home alone. But, then she called his work phone and he lied and said his cell phone was dead and that's why he didn't answer it. Then she "uses" her daughter and tells him he has to come home because she told Zea that daddy was going to bake cookies with her when he gets home. Maybe she thought that would make him come home....but it didn't work. [/*]

Hi Nillie - I still have a strong feeling he made it home - prehaps he came home after the kids were put to bed. My friend says since Nickolas isn't coming into her store it's his, the one seen him going towards his car - she also they feel deeply it was foul play. JHO

[Pam]

Originally posted by Nellie
I have a question I want to pose to any Etsy members here.
Did you donate to the fund for Christine in any way?
Do you feel differently about donating now that you have found out that Nicholas' paychecks have not stopped?
Do you think the donations should be stopped now that it is known?

Just curious.... [/*]

I posted to her first thread where she said her husband was missing. I really did feel sorry for her. Her is a young woman with 2 young children and one on the way and her husband is missing.

A day or two later....the donations started rolling in, and some of the posts made me very suspicious. That was when I quit posting, and never donated a dime. It felt too much like a scam.

I'm afraid that a lot of the members that did donate and still are, probably don't know about her still getting NF's checks (probably didn't see the newest interview). It's not something that someone can start a thread about...it'd be locked in a heartbeat. Many of those members seem to hang on every word that CF posts. It's just freaky!!!

[YellowRose49]

Danette, I'm confused. What are you talking about? Thanks for carifying.

[YellowRose49]

Originally posted by Beth
Hi YellowRose, I can't help you on the Paypal question but I do think you're asking excellent questions. [/*]

Thanks, Beth. I just have an inquisitive mind. Or should I say suspicious. I was once married to a cop.

[isitme]

Originally posted by Nellie
I have a question I want to pose to any Etsy members here.
Did you donate to the fund for Christine in any way?
Do you feel differently about donating now that you have found out that Nicholas' paychecks have not stopped?
Do you think the donations should be stopped now that it is known?

Just curious.... [/*]

NO

YES

YES

[Danette44]

Originally posted by YellowRose49
Danette, I'm confused. What are you talking about? Thanks for carifying. [/*]

Which part YellowRose......the door to door in her nightborhood, or I bet he did make it him hoom and something happen there.....moo

[mc528]

Originally posted by Nellie
I have a question I want to pose to any Etsy members here.
Did you donate to the fund for Christine in any way?
Do you feel differently about donating now that you have found out that Nicholas' paychecks have not stopped?
Do you think the donations should be stopped now that it is known?

Just curious.... [/*]


Yes, I did send a small donation to Christine, right after her PayPal address was posted on the thread - very late on 2/16. It was before her *sister* had been called and the desperation for $ was conveyed. I donated because I thought that the $ could be used to increase the reward.....even my little bit might help. I actually started to feel differently about the entire donating frenzy long before today's revelation that she was still receiving the paychecks (something I suspected was happening and was not at all surprised to learn...just surprised that it was admitted). I think it should be disclosed by CF that she does still, for the time being, have a source of income. Some people may still want to support her, but if they do, then at least they will have all the *facts* first. I wonder how much the donation frenzy slowed when she disclosed to the Etsy community on 2/23 that the $ were actually going to pay bills and not towards search efforts or the reward.

MOO/JMO/IMO

[Pam]

Originally posted by YellowRose49


Thanks, Beth. I just have an inquisitive mind. Or should I say suspicious. I was once married to a cop. [/*]

YellowRose49, the paypal remark has stumped me from the very beginning too. Not sure how you can figure that your "husband is shielding you from debt" from looking in a paypal account :confused:

[need2no]

Originally posted by Nellie
need2know..here's a new idea. Maybe Nicholas had already told Christine he was leaving. She called him throughout the day and he finally turned off his cell phone so she'd leave home alone. But, then she called his work phone and he lied and said his cell phone was dead and that's why he didn't answer it. Then she "uses" her daughter and tells him he has to come home because she told Zea that daddy was going to bake cookies with her when he gets home. Maybe she thought that would make him come home....but it didn't work. [/*]

Hmmm, hadn't looked at it that way, it's another possibility.So now she wants to write him off for dead because she's so d*mn mad at him. Yet she wants to save face publicly.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Nellie
Ok, I've been doing some thinking...I do that sometimes! LOL!

There are two choices I can think of....
1. Nicholas is alive and took off to start a new life
2. Nicholas is dead...either suicide or murder.

Christine says she believes it was murder, but has nothing to base that on other than "wife intuition" and states it as a "matter of fact".

Ok, if we go with murder......could she divorce him? Can you divorce a dead man??? If not, then if she met someone down the road, what would she do about re-marrying? She can't have him declared dead for 7 years...is that right? Even if suicide, she'd still have to wait 7 years if they don't find his body, right?

Now, take him abandoning his family. How long in that case would she have to wait to get a divorce? Or, does she have to wait at all? If it's unknown what has happened to him can she just go get a divorce and say "he took off and abandoned us" or does she need proof of this?

Honestly, I don't think Christine would be the type of woman to be alone for very long. I don't mean that to sound cruel. But she has 2 small children and one on the way and no job outside of her Etsy stores. Even if she goes out and gets a job, she'll just be making enough probably to pay for daycare. So, if she is ready to move on and decides at some point that would include a man who would love her and her children and support them....how long would she have to wait? Or does she have to wait at all? [/*]

Interesting question. In Washington state there is a 3-month waiting period from filing for divorce to it becoming final. I'm pretty sure there are ways to divorce a spouse that has abandoned you. I think if the divorce papers can't be served personally because the person can't be found, then there is a process of publishing it in a newspaper courts section or something. I've seen it before. There are husbands (oh and wives too, but I think we hear more about husbands) that just take off and if being able to divorce them depends on being able to find them, there would be a lot of people still waiting to be divorced.

I also imagine in her "get on with our lives" mode, that remarriage is definitely in the cards.

[YellowRose49]

"My friend says since Nickolas isn't coming into her store it's his, the one seen him going towards his car - she also they feel deeply it was foul play. JHO"

That part, Danette. What store, who saw him going towards his car?

[mc528]

Originally posted by Pam


YellowRose49, the paypal remark has stumped me from the very beginning too. Not sure how you can figure that your "husband is shielding you from debt" from looking in a paypal account :confused: [/*]


A lot of people were stumped by that statement. :confused:
She explained her reference to NF's PayPal account on her latest blog entry: http://thefranciscos.com/ The explanation, IMO, doesn't really fit at all with the statement made over on Etsy on 2/17 though.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by mc528



Yes, I did send a small donation to Christine, right after her PayPal address was posted on the thread - very late on 2/16. It was before her *sister* had been called and the desperation for $ was conveyed. I donated because I thought that the $ could be used to increase the reward.....even my little bit might help. I actually started to feel differently about the entire donating frenzy long before today's revelation that she was still receiving the paychecks (something I suspected was happening and was not at all surprised to learn...just surprised that it was admitted). I think it should be disclosed by CF that she does still, for the time being, have a source of income. Some people may still want to support her, but if they do, then at least they will have all the *facts* first. I wonder how much the donation frenzy slowed when she disclosed to the Etsy community on 2/23 that the $ were actually going to pay bills and not towards search efforts or the reward.

MOO/JMO/IMO [/*]

For awhile (I haven't been there lately), there were regular postings on Etsy (even after the "support" thread was shut down) that included links to news stories, etc. Is that still there? If it is, has the Seattle Times article from today and KING-5 story from last night been added to those links?

I guess I'm really wondering whether the people on Etsy are aware of the paychecks still being paid, and whether that would matter to anyone who is donating their sales proceeds and cash contributions.

[Pam]

Originally posted by mc528



A lot of people were stumped by that statement. :confused:
She explained her reference to NF's PayPal account on her latest blog entry: http://thefranciscos.com/ The explanation, IMO, doesn't really fit at all with the statement made over on Etsy on 2/17 though. [/*]

Exactly...even her reference to that remark didn't make any sense! Something like, "the paypal account is for his business and there was no money missing. he just didn’t make near as much as he usually does"....what does that mean??? Well, my business income is up and down, and there is no way to look in my paypal account and tell exactly what I've made or what our finances are, so I just don't understand why she even brought up the paypal account.

[mc528]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


For awhile (I haven't been there lately), there were regular postings on Etsy (even after the "support" thread was shut down) that included links to news stories, etc. Is that still there? If it is, has the Seattle Times article from today and KING-5 story from last night been added to those links?

I guess I'm really wondering whether the people on Etsy are aware of the paychecks still being paid, and whether that would matter to anyone who is donating their sales proceeds and cash contributions. [/*]


I don't believe there are any other active threads regarding CF/NF. But, I became so disgusted with the whole forum over there after the mess that this became, that I have very rarely even visited the forums in the past two weeks.....so there could an active thread with recent news.....but I really doubt it, because it would likely turn ugly very soon and the admin would shut it down. I would bet that unless the Etsy folks are reading this and the other non-Etsy boards, or are closely following the case, they probably do not know about the paychecks, or maybe not even about CF's latest blog entry. MOO

[figritout]

If it were me....

If this had happened to me I would know immediately, in my reality, that my husband had been harmed. After a few days I would know that he was probably dead. Harsh I know but real. How would I act? Hmmm. I think my initial reaction would be intense shock... The deer in the freeway look and the denial that this is happening. If someone threw into the equation that he had left me I would vehemently deny it and become angry that the focus was being shifted from something awful has happened to him, and going to he left me.. I would be looking at my life picture, what kept us going and keeping us from sinking I would panic, for I don't work..Yes I have two small children at home and a baby on the way... I would definitely talk about this with my family as it has everything to do with the ramifications of my husband being missing.

But I would be gracious and thankful for the help financially, and I would continue to try to find the answers to what has happened. But that is just me.. We all have twists in our personalities.. None of us truly know how we would react in a situation like this. But for my husband to go missing and I know that there is foul play and for people to imply that he just walked and then to go even further and character assassinate me.. I just don't know. Ok I do know I would not buy into it and I would not even justify the BS, even on my personal blog, out of respect for NF and myself. But I see myself as a bit more mature and balanced being almost 30 years older than her. She is a young person.. Oh when I think of being that old I can definitely see myself acting in bazaar ways to deal with what might be the first huge blow to me in my adult life.

I believe Christine's outlet is to be online.. That she has some very twisted things to her personality, but I do not believe she had NF killed, I do not believe that she planned financial gain, I do not believe that she is carrying on without pain and confusion about what has happened.

All that said I do believe that there could be denial, at her age, about what NF is thinking and doing. Maybe.. Hope I make sense here...

[need2no]

Originally posted by YellowRose49
I have a lot of the same questions?
I do wonder (since I came into this case late), what is the PayPal thing all about? Can anyone explain?
I would not be at all suprised if this was a planned thing and now, indeed, it is being questioned. Perhaps the police suspect it too and have backed off, waiting for what happens next?
What have family or friends said about this couple? [/*]


Originally CF said she found NF's password and it appears from looking at his Paypal account the sweet man was shielding her from their debt.

Later she changed/corrected this to he just didn't have as much money in his Paypal account as she had expected.

[kaylynn]

Originally posted by mc528



A lot of people were stumped by that statement. :confused:
She explained her reference to NF's PayPal account on her latest blog entry: http://thefranciscos.com/ The explanation, IMO, doesn't really fit at all with the statement made over on Etsy on 2/17 though. [/*]
Am I the only one who can't see her latest blog entries? Or, am I reading it wrong? The most recent thing i see just explains the facts, as Christine states. It basically is just a bullet point list of the facts. I dont see anything about Paypal..
:confused:

[mc528]

Originally posted by Envision


I donated and feel like an idiot for it. I felt this way about a week after I did as she became rude and the threads became more about her and her feelings rather than help for finding her "beloved" husband. No one dictates to me what I can and cannot ask on a PUBLIC forum. That is to say within TOS at the very least. There are so many shops there donating profits to Christine, some 50% some even 100% of their WHOLE shops. There are some who only have specific items they are selling for her "cause". Most of these sellers claim they had never heard of her until her post about her husband missing which leads me to why she would post under her new shop's name and not the one where she was better known? Maybe like me, too many people remembered her chats under her BellaStyle name and would not donate so freely as they do with her relatively unknown name. At this point, I doubt these people would stop their donations. Many of them have become fixated on Christine to a point they have made themselves ill and/or have neglected their own household's priorities. Some of those people stayed up for days to keep that thread from dying. I don't know how keeping a "We're praying for you Christine" thread going would help to find the man though especially when they did not allow anyone to help with their suggestions of what may have happened. No one bashed her but she sure did a lot of her own bashing of anyone who even questioned her fundraising motive. Adamant she never asked for the money yet someone knew she was desperate for money and that could only come from Christine herself. I wish I could find that etsy member's blog that was titled "Disciples of Christine" again. It may have been changed or removed by now as I had seen some questioning and speculation about Stepfordism and "what has Christine turned "you people" into?". I feel it is time for Christine to come clean and tell exactly what she knows in a straightforward manner. Her anger is telling a lot more than she is saying as is her lack of participation in helping to find her husband. [/*]

I must have missed that blog....PM me if you remember it, or remember who's it was and I'll try and put my google skills to work.

[kpb]

Originally posted by Nellie
need2know..here's a new idea. Maybe Nicholas had already told Christine he was leaving. She called him throughout the day and he finally turned off his cell phone so she'd leave home alone. But, then she called his work phone and he lied and said his cell phone was dead and that's why he didn't answer it. Then she "uses" her daughter and tells him he has to come home because she told Zea that daddy was going to bake cookies with her when he gets home. Maybe she thought that would make him come home....but it didn't work. [/*]

I'm still reading, but oh my gosh that makes perfect sense! :beer:

[Pam]

Originally posted by Envision


I donated and feel like an idiot for it. I felt this way about a week after I did as she became rude and the threads became more about her and her feelings rather than help for finding her "beloved" husband. No one dictates to me what I can and cannot ask on a PUBLIC forum. That is to say within TOS at the very least. There are so many shops there donating profits to Christine, some 50% some even 100% of their WHOLE shops. There are some who only have specific items they are selling for her "cause". Most of these sellers claim they had never heard of her until her post about her husband missing which leads me to why she would post under her new shop's name and not the one where she was better known? Maybe like me, too many people remembered her chats under her BellaStyle name and would not donate so freely as they do with her relatively unknown name. At this point, I doubt these people would stop their donations. Many of them have become fixated on Christine to a point they have made themselves ill and/or have neglected their own household's priorities. Some of those people stayed up for days to keep that thread from dying. I don't know how keeping a "We're praying for you Christine" thread going would help to find the man though especially when they did not allow anyone to help with their suggestions of what may have happened. No one bashed her but she sure did a lot of her own bashing of anyone who even questioned her fundraising motive. Adamant she never asked for the money yet someone knew she was desperate for money and that could only come from Christine herself. I wish I could find that etsy member's blog that was titled "Disciples of Christine" again. It may have been changed or removed by now as I had seen some questioning and speculation about Stepfordism and "what has Christine turned "you people" into?". I feel it is time for Christine to come clean and tell exactly what she knows in a straightforward manner. Her anger is telling a lot more than she is saying as is her lack of participation in helping to find her husband. [/*]

I feel that you're a wonderful person for donating in the beginning....I wasn't so nice :(

I am sorry that you feel that she made a fool out of you. I'm sure there will be plenty of other's that will feel that way too!

I agree that her anger says a lot! I think if she really believed that her husband was dead, she would be grief stricken. But, if you feel that your husband walked out on you, leaving with you with 2 kids, bills, etc.....then you would be mad as hell! (can you say that on here???)

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Nellie
need2know..here's a new idea. Maybe Nicholas had already told Christine he was leaving. She called him throughout the day and he finally turned off his cell phone so she'd leave home alone. But, then she called his work phone and he lied and said his cell phone was dead and that's why he didn't answer it. Then she "uses" her daughter and tells him he has to come home because she told Zea that daddy was going to bake cookies with her when he gets home. Maybe she thought that would make him come home....but it didn't work. [/*]

Would he have to leave his job too though? And, not tell anyone at all?

[mc528]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Would he have to leave his job too though? And, not tell anyone at all? [/*]


Maybe he knew of the layoffs that were coming, and had an idea that his job was maybe one of the ones being eliminated (or at least thought that it was) JMO

[YellowRose49]

Funny. I just read CF's blog, dated July, I believe (after I read all her comments aimed at people who have said things about the case). She bragged about how good God was to them (mentioning her husband in glowing references) and how her shops were doing so well and local shops were going to sell her products, etc. What happened? Now she can only cover material and is not making a profit? How things went downhill.

Also, she commented in her recent explanations that they did not have a lot of money. She must spend all her money on material for her projects. Thus, they only had what he was making coming in.

Strange.

I wonder if the cops went door to door to check on the people in those condos where the car was found? Was the car processed for any signs of violence, strange fingerprints?
Could he have a girlfriend who lives at that condo complex?
Why there...why park there?

[Pam]

Originally posted by mc528



I don't believe there are any other active threads regarding CF/NF. But, I became so disgusted with the whole forum over there after the mess that this became, that I have very rarely even visited the forums in the past two weeks.....so there could an active thread with recent news.....but I really doubt it, because it would likely turn ugly very soon and the admin would shut it down. I would bet that unless the Etsy folks are reading this and the other non-Etsy boards, or are closely following the case, they probably do not know about the paychecks, or maybe not even about CF's latest blog entry. MOO [/*]

There still is a thread going, although it's not kept to the top like the previous one's were.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5497460&page=1

Not sure I got the link right.

[isitme]

The links to the blog and the news article were posted in the Etsy forums. See page 2 & 3

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5498156

[kaylynn]

Originally posted by Beth


It's there, Kaylynn. About 7 or 8 lines above the "non-facts" (or something like that part toward the bottom. [/*]

Thanks! I just found it.:)

[mc528]

Originally posted by YellowRose49
I wonder if the cops went door to door to check on the people in those condos where the car was found? Was the car processed for any signs of violence, strange fingerprints?
Could he have a girlfriend who lives at that condo complex?
Why there...why park there? [/*]

I believe it was reported that the police along with volunteer searchers went door-to-door in the condo complex the night his car was found (2/18).

It was reported by LE that there was no evidence of foul play found in the car, nor any clue in it to NF's whereabouts.

There is no known connection to NF with the condo complex.

And why the car was there, is one of the missing pieces to the puzzle.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Envision


I donated and feel like an idiot for it. I felt this way about a week after I did as she became rude and the threads became more about her and her feelings rather than help for finding her "beloved" husband. No one dictates to me what I can and cannot ask on a PUBLIC forum. That is to say within TOS at the very least. There are so many shops there donating profits to Christine, some 50% some even 100% of their WHOLE shops. There are some who only have specific items they are selling for her "cause". Most of these sellers claim they had never heard of her until her post about her husband missing which leads me to why she would post under her new shop's name and not the one where she was better known? Maybe like me, too many people remembered her chats under her BellaStyle name and would not donate so freely as they do with her relatively unknown name. At this point, I doubt these people would stop their donations. Many of them have become fixated on Christine to a point they have made themselves ill and/or have neglected their own household's priorities. Some of those people stayed up for days to keep that thread from dying. I don't know how keeping a "We're praying for you Christine" thread going would help to find the man though especially when they did not allow anyone to help with their suggestions of what may have happened. No one bashed her but she sure did a lot of her own bashing of anyone who even questioned her fundraising motive. Adamant she never asked for the money yet someone knew she was desperate for money and that could only come from Christine herself. I wish I could find that etsy member's blog that was titled "Disciples of Christine" again. It may have been changed or removed by now as I had seen some questioning and speculation about Stepfordism and "what has Christine turned "you people" into?". I feel it is time for Christine to come clean and tell exactly what she knows in a straightforward manner. Her anger is telling a lot more than she is saying as is her lack of participation in helping to find her husband. [/*]


I never feel stupid about doing something or getting duped as long as my heart was in the right place when I did it... as yours was.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by YellowRose49
"My friend says since Nickolas isn't coming into her store it's his, the one seen him going towards his car - she also they feel deeply it was foul play. JHO"

That part, Danette. What store, who saw him going towards his car? [/*]

Need to wait for her to sigh abit and ask her his....

[YellowRose49]

Originally posted by Danette44


Need to wait for her to sigh abit and ask her his.... [/*]

Okay, I know it's late, but wait for WHO to sigh abit and ask her his....What? Danette, this doen't make sense, me thinks.

[desmom]

Originally posted by need2no



--snipped--

After typing this out I'm leaning toward they are in on this together and NF had at least 12 hours to get his plan rolling. Meanwhile the cookie story was contrived to pull the public's heartstrings. Heck the pregnancy could even be part of the grand plan, but I raised an eyebrow about the midwife checking her out story. CF played the woe is me financial stress with everyone she spoke to when the word got out...to get the ball rolling without even having to outright suggest donations, and to make the disappearance sound even more worrisome, troubling and believeable. This computer savvy couple know how the schemes work, no doubt about that. The Paypal 'discovery' could have been planned and timed as well.

Has the public's interest and staying on top of this case thrown a monkey wrench into their plans. Is CF reading here to determine what we are thinking?

Just thinking out loud and shaking my head.......... [/*]

As I was reading the above, I thought OMG and he is in advertising. His job is to sell us a bill of goods....I mean to sell the goods to us.

Then I read Nellie's post:

Originally posted by Nellie
need2know..here's a new idea. Maybe Nicholas had already told Christine he was leaving. She called him throughout the day and he finally turned off his cell phone so she'd leave home alone. But, then she called his work phone and he lied and said his cell phone was dead and that's why he didn't answer it. Then she "uses" her daughter and tells him he has to come home because she told Zea that daddy was going to bake cookies with her when he gets home. Maybe she thought that would make him come home....but it didn't work. [/*]

and I can see this scenario also.

I think both of you could be on to something. Christine's behavior makes my hinky meter red line.

jmo

[need2no]

Originally posted by kaylynn

Am I the only one who can't see her latest blog entries? Or, am I reading it wrong? The most recent thing i see just explains the facts, as Christine states. It basically is just a bullet point list of the facts. I dont see anything about Paypal..
:confused: [/*]

It's in the list, this is what it says:


*the paypal account is for his business and there was no money missing. he just didn’t make near as much as he usually does.

[mc528]

Originally posted by isitme
The links to the blog and the news article were posted in the Etsy forums. See page 2 & 3

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5498156 [/*]

Thanks.

[kpb]

quote:
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Originally posted by Nellie
need2know..here's a new idea. Maybe Nicholas had already told Christine he was leaving. She called him throughout the day and he finally turned off his cell phone so she'd leave home alone. But, then she called his work phone and he lied and said his cell phone was dead and that's why he didn't answer it. Then she "uses" her daughter and tells him he has to come home because she told Zea that daddy was going to bake cookies with her when he gets home. Maybe she thought that would make him come home....but it didn't work. [/*]
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Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Would he have to leave his job too though? And, not tell anyone at all? [/*]

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

Maybe he left his job because she was blackmailing him. Said she would tell (something that he wouldn't want work to know) if he left her. Maybe his leaving was in the works for awhile and he planned it right before 2/14...maybe the date was symbolic or just a coincidence.

[mc528]

Originally posted by Pam


There still is a thread going, although it's not kept to the top like the previous one's were.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5497460&page=1

Not sure I got the link right. [/*]


Thanks

[figritout]

Originally posted by Danette44


Hi Nillie - I still have a strong feeling he made it home - prehaps he came home after the kids were put to bed. My friend says since Nickolas isn't coming into her store it's his, the one seen him going towards his car - she also they feel deeply it was foul play. JHO [/*]

Hi Danette44, Please elaborate on this as it doesn't read right..

"Nickolas insn't coming into her store it's his"?

Could you give some background about this?
Thanks!

[need2no]

Originally posted by desmom


As I was reading the above, I thought OMG and he is in advertising. His job is to sell us a bill of goods....I mean to sell the goods to us.

Then I read Nellie's post:



and I can see this scenario also.

I think both of you could be on to something. Christine's behavior makes my hinky meter red line.

jmo [/*]

I like your thinking about his job, and the connection to selling the public a bill of goods. :beer:

[isitme]

Originally posted by mc528


Thanks. [/*]

YW

I also noticed today that the number of posts to the blog that was created to support CF have been dwindling considerably. Could it be that some of the supporters have realized that there might be more to this than they initially thought?

[Danette44]

Originally posted by YellowRose49


Okay, I know it's late, but wait for WHO to sigh abit and ask her his....What? Danette, this doen't make sense, me thinks. [/*]

I have a freind that works downtown and Nicolas use to go there and pick his prints, now that he is gone hes friend is doing it, she said his name once but I forgot it........so need to waiti for her to sign into yahoo and ask her again.

[mc528]

Originally posted by isitme


YW

I also noticed today that the number of posts to the blog that was created to support CF have been dwindling considerably. Could it be that some of the supporters have realized that there might be more to this than they initially thought? [/*]

I noticed that too, and maybe that is indeed the case.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by need2no


I like your thinking about his job, and the connection to selling the public a bill of goods. :beer: [/*]

One of my friends suggested early on that maybe since he is with an advertising company, it is all just one big "social experiment" or something. I can't see a company doing that (I mean,maybe if they had a GPS company as a client, and Nicholas had their product in his car, and miraculously was "found"). Not using LE resources though for something fake.

But while Nicholas is in advertising, it seems he is more the "implementer" of ads, not the "creator" of the concepts. I don't know that for sure, but I sort of imagine the company has their Larry Tates and Darren Stephens (ok, going waaay back now, but I know some of you are in my age group!) who come up with the big concepts, and then the art director just does the design work to implement it?

Still it is an interesting idea, but I can't see Christine being so angry and cold sounding if they are in on something together?

[YellowRose49]

That makes more sense for sure. What prints, however? I'm still confused, but it's not your fault, lol.

Hey, I'm going to head to bed. Here in TX it's now officially - since my husband set the clocks ahead, 12:42 a.m. Don't forget to Spring Ahead, y'all. Night!

[desmom]

Originally posted by YellowRose49
That makes more sense for sure. What prints, however? I'm still confused, but it's not your fault, lol.

Hey, I'm going to head to bed. Here in TX it's now officially - since my husband set the clocks ahead, 12:42 a.m. Don't forget to Spring Ahead, y'all. Night! [/*]

I was just going to post about the time change...I think we have too many clocks.

Night All!

[need2no]

Originally posted by Beth
Man, I would really hate to hear that he were involved in this in any way. :confused: [/*]


Leaving a job you are good at, one you presumably love, one where you've gotten a good promotion

Leaving your pregnant wife of 7 years whom you've known for a decade
Leaving two adorable children

Leaving the house you've worked hard to pay for and improve to make it into a home for your family

Leaving everything and everybody to go goodness knows where, for goodness knows how long and do goodness knows what to support yourself, and wondering if you will be tracked down

is very serious....there has to be something very serious going on to make you leave

The something serious could be known by Christine and they both felt leaving was the only solution.....

Could be he was protecting his family by leaving...from something serious, or just embarressment

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by isitme


YW

I also noticed today that the number of posts to the blog that was created to support CF have been dwindling considerably. Could it be that some of the supporters have realized that there might be more to this than they initially thought? [/*]

I noticed that blog never had a great number of posts, compared to the round-the-clock posting on the Etsy support threads (I think there were 10 before it got shut down; about 1 new one per day). People just kept posting every few minutes to "bump" the thread to the top. There was at least 1 day when people were kind of freaking out because there had been a whole 15 minute gap in postings! Or something like that.

It does make me wonder how many were there to "support Christine" and how many were also there to promote their businesses and their "specials"...

[Pam]

Originally posted by desmom


I was just going to post about the time change...I think we have too many clocks.

Night All! [/*]

I'm so glad that someone said something about changing clocks....I forgot all about that. Now I'm starting to feel tired.:D

[need2no]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


One of my friends suggested early on that maybe since he is with an advertising company, it is all just one big "social experiment" or something. I can't see a company doing that (I mean,maybe if they had a GPS company as a client, and Nicholas had their product in his car, and miraculously was "found"). Not using LE resources though for something fake.

But while Nicholas is in advertising, it seems he is more the "implementer" of ads, not the "creator" of the concepts. I don't know that for sure, but I sort of imagine the company has their Larry Tates and Darren Stephens (ok, going waaay back now, but I know some of you are in my age group!) who come up with the big concepts, and then the art director just does the design work to implement it?

Still it is an interesting idea, but I can't see Christine being so angry and cold sounding if they are in on something together? [/*]

Larry, Darren????? :biggrin:

Christine could be angry because she sees herself as smarter and more cunning than most...and she resents that some are questioning her little story, and putting HER under a microscope.
Two things she didn't expect to happen.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by kpb
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Originally posted by Nellie
need2know..here's a new idea. Maybe Nicholas had already told Christine he was leaving. She called him throughout the day and he finally turned off his cell phone so she'd leave home alone. But, then she called his work phone and he lied and said his cell phone was dead and that's why he didn't answer it. Then she "uses" her daughter and tells him he has to come home because she told Zea that daddy was going to bake cookies with her when he gets home. Maybe she thought that would make him come home....but it didn't work. [/*]
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Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Would he have to leave his job too though? And, not tell anyone at all? [/*]
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Maybe he left his job because she was blackmailing him. Said she would tell (something that he wouldn't want work to know) if he left her. Maybe his leaving was in the works for awhile and he planned it right before 2/14...maybe the date was symbolic or just a coincidence.[/*]

I could see that, still wondering why he wouldn't get in touch with anyone for 3-1/2 weeks though? He's got to know his mom and sisters are so worried...

[figritout]

Originally posted by isitme


YW

I also noticed today that the number of posts to the blog that was created to support CF have been dwindling considerably. Could it be that some of the supporters have realized that there might be more to this than they initially thought? [/*]

Just me but, by her responses and language I would want to get as far way as possible even if I believed that her husband was a victim of violence. I still don't think there is a scam going on I just think she is naive and angry and alienating people.. I would be putting my energy into sources to find him that go around her, not through her...

[kpb]

Regarding my donating to Christine on Etsy... no I didn't. I didn't even think about doing it...donate for what?? Also about that time some controversy on the previous big donation drive on Etsy (Dawn's Boys) had come up so I was kind of disillusioned. Dawn was an Etsy seller who was killed in a motorcycle accident shortly before Christmas. If I remember right, she was a single mother with two young sons.
The explanation regarding the controversy is on page 3 of the following thread...

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5471437&page=1

I remember when the one person who kinda took charge about having people send money to Christine in PayPal, someone else said to hold on, it's only been a couple days since her husband is missing, let's get more information. That person was ignored and then everything took on a life of its own. I remember a few folks were even going to "fast" for a day in support of Christine??

I did feel bad for Christine and prayed that her husband would be found safe (still am), and would check the threads first thing in the morning for an update hoping to get good news.

Not long after, I started to feel weird about the whole thing, something not quite right. It wasn't until I found other off-site forums/blogs that I realized others had the same feelings I had. Didn't Christine come on and give the link to the West Seattle Blog...saying that others may find it interesting? There was a bit of uproar there as people were bashing those on the Blog for questioning Christine's behavior, motives, etc... It was brought up again by the regular prayers that this thread was to support Christine only and I think it was mentioned that Christine herself posted the blog, what did she think would happen when people saw it.

Frankly at this point I really don't know what to think. I still go back to their church....I didn't know about that when I only read the Etsy threads, although I found it odd that a mention was made that Christine requested the church link be removed.

I thought I read somewhere, Etsy I believe, but weren't all the Etsy folks responsible for getting Christine the interviews on Greta and the other lady whose name I can't remember? Also I remember them saying to keep clicking on the story on the ABC website (I think it was ABC) to keep it on the front page.

This case has had so many twists and turns, it would make an excellent suspense movie/book. Hopefully it will have a happy ending.

Well I'm off to bed, good night everyone! :seeya:

[Pam]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I could see that, still wondering why he wouldn't get in touch with anyone for 3-1/2 weeks though? He's got to know his mom and sisters are so worried... [/*]

Maybe he's been in contact with his mom and sisters and that is why they are silent now?? And, maybe since CF is stating that she thinks he's been murdered, they don't feel the need to let her know that NF is alive and well? :confused:

[kpb]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I could see that, still wondering why he wouldn't get in touch with anyone for 3-1/2 weeks though? He's got to know his mom and sisters are so worried... [/*]

Maybe he has contacted them just to tell them he is safe, but didn't give them any other information. Maybe he said he will tell them more when things die down.

Maybe that is why we really don't hear his other family speaking out now??

Just throwing that out there.... :shrug:

[mc528]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I noticed that blog never had a great number of posts, compared to the round-the-clock posting on the Etsy support threads (I think there were 10 before it got shut down; about 1 new one per day). People just kept posting every few minutes to "bump" the thread to the top. There was at least 1 day when people were kind of freaking out because there had been a whole 15 minute gap in postings! Or something like that.

It does make me wonder how many were there to "support Christine" and how many were also there to promote their businesses and their "specials"... [/*]


I wondered the same thing.....it was very bizarre, even for Etsy (and there are often some pretty bizarre threads there :) )

[mc528]

Originally posted by kpb
Regarding my donating to Christine on Etsy... no I didn't. I didn't even think about doing it...donate for what?? Also about that time some controversy on the previous big donation drive on Etsy (Dawn's Boys) had come up so I was kind of disillusioned. Dawn was an Etsy seller who was killed in a motorcycle accident shortly before Christmas. If I remember right, she was a single mother with two young sons.
The explanation regarding the controversy is on page 3 of the following thread...

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5471437&page=1

I remember when the one person who kinda took charge about having people send money to Christine in PayPal, someone else said to hold on, it's only been a couple days since her husband is missing, let's get more information. That person was ignored and then everything took on a life of its own. I remember a few folks were even going to "fast" for a day in support of Christine??

I did feel bad for Christine and prayed that her husband would be found safe (still am), and would check the threads first thing in the morning for an update hoping to get good news.

Not long after, I started to feel weird about the whole thing, something not quite right. It wasn't until I found other off-site forums/blogs that I realized others had the same feelings I had. Didn't Christine come on and give the link to the West Seattle Blog...saying that others may find it interesting? There was a bit of uproar there as people were bashing those on the Blog for questioning Christine's behavior, motives, etc... It was brought up again by the regular prayers that this thread was to support Christine only and I think it was mentioned that Christine herself posted the blog, what did she think would happen when people saw it.

Frankly at this point I really don't know what to think. I still go back to their church....I didn't know about that when I only read the Etsy threads, although I found it odd that a mention was made that Christine requested the church link be removed.

I thought I read somewhere, Etsy I believe, but weren't all the Etsy folks responsible for getting Christine the interviews on Greta and the other lady whose name I can't remember? Also I remember them saying to keep clicking on the story on the ABC website (I think it was ABC) to keep it on the front page.

This case has had so many twists and turns, it would make an excellent suspense movie/book. Hopefully it will have a happy ending.

Well I'm off to bed, good night everyone! :seeya: [/*]


I think you are right about who was responsible for getting the story to the national media....I beleive it was a group of the Etsy folks who were contacting any and all media outlets that they could think of.

[mc528]

Originally posted by need2no



Leaving a job you are good at, one you presumably love, one where you've gotten a good promotion

Leaving your pregnant wife of 7 years whom you've known for a decade
Leaving two adorable children

Leaving the house you've worked hard to pay for and improve to make it into a home for your family

Leaving everything and everybody to go goodness knows where, for goodness knows how long and do goodness knows what to support yourself, and wondering if you will be tracked down

is very serious....there has to be something very serious going on to make you leave

The something serious could be known by Christine and they both felt leaving was the only solution.....

Could be he was protecting his family by leaving...from something serious, or just embarressment [/*]

I still think it is very possible that NF left because of something very serious, more serious than just wanting out of a marriage. I'm still not ruling out that he just decided to leave, but that really doesn't fit with what has been portrayed as his character (by others in addition to CF). I also haven't completely ruled out foul play, but the total lack of evidence to that suggests that if it was foul play it was very thought out, planned in advance, and seems very professional in nature (but a motive for that escapes me). IMO

[figritout]

Originally posted by kpb
Regarding my donating to Christine on Etsy... no I didn't. I thread_id=5471437&page=1[/url]


Frankly at this point I really don't know what to think. I still go back to their church....I didn't know about that when I only read the Etsy threads, although I found it odd that a mention was made that Christine requested the church link be removed.

I: [/*]

Hi, I deleted much of the context but left what I focused on right away. Hope you don't mind. I have been distracted and drawn in and have lost focus on what I initially felt. The church! For me not just that she wanted the link removed, but he had resigned just two days before he disappeared. Strange.. I believe in my heart this is where the answers lie...

[isitme]

Originally posted by Pam


Maybe he's been in contact with his mom and sisters and that is why they are silent now?? And, maybe since CF is stating that she thinks he's been murdered, they don't feel the need to let her know that NF is alive and well? :confused: [/*]

I think that is a good possibility. But when I mentioned it here the other day someone pointed out that if they knew he was ok and didn't report that to LE that they could be charged as an accessory. However, from my career background I don't recall that you can be charged with an accessory if there is no crime to be an accessory to. And since an adult running away is not a crime . . .

I still believe that his mom and sisters knows he is ok. I also believe CF knows he is OK. What I don't kno, yet, is the why and how, and even the when . . .

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Pam


Maybe he's been in contact with his mom and sisters and that is why they are silent now?? And, maybe since CF is stating that she thinks he's been murdered, they don't feel the need to let her know that NF is alive and well? :confused: [/*]

I'd sure like to think that he has contacted someone by now. I wonder if Christine has been in touch with his family on a regular basis and asks them if they have heard from him. Or if she just assumes that they would tell her if they did.

I keep going back to her flip-flop on their "perfect marriage" -- which is another point that I would think would be troublesome to at least some of her Etsy supporters, if they read the story in the Seattle Times. It seems so different than what she said before.

[kpb]

Originally posted by mc528



I think you are right about who was responsible for getting the story to the national media....I beleive it was a group of the Etsy folks who were contacting any and all media outlets that they could think of. [/*]

Had another thought ;)

Maybe this was a elaborate rouse to get some sympathy funds and they never wanted/dreamed it would take on a life of its own. Maybe the Etsy people made it way bigger than C and N wanted.

Of course then I think well it was in the Seattle newspapers, etc... they wouldn't of reported it, would they? But then having a link to post on Etsy would make it seem legit.

Maybe Nicholas was going to reappear sooner, but when they saw all the donations rolling in they kept extending it....

I guess that is just wild thinking because I am getting slap-happy. :biggrin:

Nite for real this time. :seeya:

[kpb]

Originally posted by figritout


Hi, I deleted much of the context but left what I focused on right away. Hope you don't mind. I have been distracted and drawn in and have lost focus on what I initially felt. The church! For me not just that she wanted the link removed, but he had resigned just two days before he disappeared. Strange.. I believe in my heart this is where the answers lie... [/*]

No I dont' mind... I tend to ramble on and on.... :lol:

I think you are right figritout... it all has to do with something involving the church. :confused:

[Pam]

I then get to thinking that maybe LE may have suspicions, which is why they are keeping quiet and has requested that NF"s family stay quiet. If they suspect something, they are not going to let it out...better to keep quiet and watch, and wait, type of thing. (just thinking out loud I guess)

[figritout]

Originally posted by Pam
I then get to thinking that maybe LE may have suspicions, which is why they are keeping quiet and has requested that NF"s family stay quiet. If they suspect something, they are not going to let it out...better to keep quiet and watch, and wait, type of thing. (just thinking out loud I guess) [/*]

Hey Pam, I think you are right on target...

[Nellie]

Originally posted by kpb
Also about that time some controversy on the previous big donation drive on Etsy (Dawn's Boys) had come up so I was kind of disillusioned. Dawn was an Etsy seller who was killed in a motorcycle accident shortly before Christmas. If I remember right, she was a single mother with two young sons.
The explanation regarding the controversy is on page 3 of the following thread...

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5471437&page=1

[/*]

Wow..thank you for sharing this thread at Etsy. This is exactly why I am against discussion board fund raisers. I've seen this type of thing too many times. One time I saw funds being raised for a particular person for a particular cause. Once there was enough for this particular "cause" and it went above and beyond the need, the "leader"(along with one other person) decided it would be ok for her to spend the excess on weight loss surgery for herself....of course not asking how the donors felt about it. It was found out by the one who the the money was raised for and she told someone and they told someone and they told someone...and it got around. And it got really, really ugly....people did not donate the money for her to have weight loss surgery and they were furious!

I've seen other cases too.

I also noticed that thread said they raised $8000 for these boys and I believe that. I've also seen large amounts raised....even larger than that. And I think that much or more has been raised for Christine, but no one will ever know. I actually believe more than that has been raised.....by the time you add up the multiple sources of the funds. It's not just Etsy who have been donating.

Goodnight everyone!

[figritout]

Originally posted by kpb


No I dont' mind... I tend to ramble on and on.... :lol:

I think you are right figritout... it all has to do with something involving the church. :confused: [/*]

Thank you! I in my heart have to go with what was going on with NF at the time of his disappearance? What? Did he give notice at his job? No.. Did people see him as being unhappy? No.. His best friend said he was excited about the baby, co-workers said he was a happy go lucky guy they all thought highly of.. But he was not happy with the church.. And then CF asked that the link be removed involving the church.. I think this has all been discussed with LE and they are just holding their cards and waiting and searching... jmo

[need2no]

Originally posted by mc528


I still think it is very possible that NF left because of something very serious, more serious than just wanting out of a marriage. I'm still not ruling out that he just decided to leave, but that really doesn't fit with what has been portrayed as his character (by others in addition to CF). I also haven't completely ruled out foul play, but the total lack of evidence to that suggests that if it was foul play it was very thought out, planned in advance, and seems very professional in nature (but a motive for that escapes me). IMO [/*]

I hope you didn't think the 'serious' I was referring to was marital woes...I don't think that was it, in fact that was the whole point of my post. Surely NF wouldn't give up all that because he was tired of being married, in relatively 'normal' financial stress, or didn't want another child to raise/support, etc. No, in my mind it had to be something of major significance, something he could not find another way out of, or away from, or feared....so he walked away.

Maybe Christine knew, maybe she didn't. But I'm thinking even if she didn't know he was going to walk, she knows what the problem is.

[Pam]

Originally posted by figritout


Hey Pam, I think you are right on target... [/*]

Yeah, but then I get to thinking that maybe LE isn't really working that hard on the case..."just another missing adult" type case with no leads. But, that doesn't explain why his mom and sisters aren't being vocal wanting answers. Very confusing :confused:

[Pam]

Have to say G'nite now :)

[figritout]

Originally posted by Pam


Yeah, but then I get to thinking that maybe LE isn't really working that hard on the case..."just another missing adult" type case with no leads. But, that doesn't explain why his mom and sisters aren't being vocal wanting answers. Very confusing :confused: [/*]

I think Mom and Sisters are very confused and much removed from NFs daily life. "jmo" They are devote Catholics and their son belonged to a church that very much was off the beaten path. Not right or wrong but not Catholic. I don't think they have a clue what was going on with NF personally. I don't think "imo" they had a good relationship with CF. So I think they are sad and just waiting to see how this plays out. In the beginning there is this mad wild rush to get info out and to get info in. But when it goes on this long I think there is an attitude of defeat and let's just wait and see. again "jmo"

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Pam
I then get to thinking that maybe LE may have suspicions, which is why they are keeping quiet and has requested that NF"s family stay quiet. If they suspect something, they are not going to let it out...better to keep quiet and watch, and wait, type of thing. (just thinking out loud I guess) [/*]

Yes, there have sometimes been criminal cases where LE was saying that they don't have anything to go on, etc., but in fact they were actively following a specific lead that led them to the answer. It only comes out after the fact. It doesn't seem that LE has an obligation to be truthful or at least revealing everything to the public. So maybe they really are hot on the trail of what happened to Nicholas, despite reports to the contrary. I'd like to think so anyway...

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by figritout


I think Mom and Sisters are very confused and much removed from NFs daily life. "jmo" They are devote Catholics and their son belonged to a church that very much was off the beaten path. Not right or wrong but not Catholic. I don't think they have a clue what was going on with NF personally. I don't think "imo" they had a good relationship with CF. So I think they are sad and just waiting to see how this plays out. In the beginning there is this mad wild rush to get info out and to get info in. But when it goes on this long I think there is an attitude of defeat and let's just wait and see. again "jmo" [/*]

The article last week about his sisters did say they were very close to him. Doesn't mean they knew everything in his life though. And when the mother called Christine just "the wife", that seemed telling to some people.

[figritout]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


The article last week about his sisters did say they were very close to him. Doesn't mean they knew everything in his life though. And when the mother called Christine just "the wife", that seemed telling to some people. [/*]

They can feel close to him but not know a thing about his very personal life.. He loved them as I am getting a sense that he was a very loving Son, Brother, Father, Husband, Co-worker and church goer. But did he share his fears, his disallusionment etc. I don't think he would. Especially if it involved his wife and the church they attend? I love my family very much, but I don't share some very personal close to my heart things because they are just that. Is it keeping good face? Maybe.. They have different beliefs than I do and I would just rather not go there..

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by CAT TOY


So True!! None of us really Know what LE is thinking OR DOING on this case.....we cannot only believe what we read online; sometimes its what we dont read. Like lack of statements from his family; his siblings, his parents, his friends.

I came into this case late, wasnt online today at all except for my few posts, and coments. I would like a link to the TV interviews if anyone has them...the video tapes of her interviews.

I logged on 1 hour ago to read up on this thread but was so surprised to see where it went sorry for any confusion.
Yes twas that comment about a sex change operation that really threw me for a loop; totally. Well, and other things. My freak flag is flying high for sure, still.

Why isnt this case getting the high profile exposure that most missing persons receive? Is it in fact a scam? Why was his car parked at a hotel.motel? Was he to meet someone there; a lover perhaps that he took off with? A friend he took off with? A co worker perhaps? Is anyone else in their circle missing as well?
Something reeks here.

Im not usually here on weekends, but I'll be back to check for any links to the tv interviews, and updates. Nicolas if you are alive; please do the right thing; be a Man and contact your wife.

Cat [/*]

There is a separate thread for links -- you can find all the news articles and video links there, including one from last night and a newspaper article from today.

They found the car at a condo parking lot 5 days after he disappeared -- some people there said they had seen it for a few days and it had been moved at least once for sure. No obvious signs of foul play in the car.

I am also leaning to the idea that perhaps LE is not revealing all and may be following a lead now despite what is being said. It seems between LE, the search blog set up by his company, and the "official" website dedicated to helping find him, that there is nothing happening at all. Which might mean that something is and we just don't know it. That's what I'd like to think...

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by figritout


They can feel close to him but not know a thing about his very personal life.. He loved them as I am getting a sense that he was a very loving Son, Brother, Father, Husband, Co-worker and church goer. But did he share his fears, his disallusionment etc. I don't think he would. Especially if it involved his wife and the church they attend? I love my family very much, but I don't share some very personal close to my heart things because they are just that. Is it keeping good face? Maybe.. They have different beliefs than I do and I would just rather not go there.. [/*]

True, they may not have known much about him at all.

I also go back to the possibility that several have suggested regarding sexual orientation (not "sex change operation" -- I'm sure there would have been some clues about *that* in advance!). If Nicholas was bisexual (or gay, living as straight, which does happen), having been brought up Catholic and then being involved in the very Biblically-based Mars Hill Church (which I'm assuming is not accepting of gays), there may have been a lot of shame around that. So much that he might feel like a failure as a father and husband, and even as a brother and son, if he thought his loved ones wouldn't accept him as he really is. Anyway, it's a possibility.

[figritout]

Originally posted by Envision
My mother doesn't even know what my favorite color is. Although she's never asked, she's also never paid attention to when I've said it. She tells people we are close but in actuality we are further apart than I am from a meal of liver and onions. She perceives a great relationship between us because she wants one and people who she is friends with believe her because it's all they know about me from her. [/*]

My mother.. Oh where to start? Well, we have a relationship that she would, and actually I would, descibe as close.. Why? Because I take the time and energy to keep things current. To keep my side of the street clean with her if you will. She is from a different era, place than I am. Growing up I did not like her much. But I do know that my life without her would be very void. Even if she doesn't know the details of my life, my likes and dislikes, and really doesn't seem that interested I do know she loves me. Funny, I woke this morning thinking what I would feel if she passed? Gosh hope this isn't an omen. I would be very sad. Back to task.. If you asked her things about my personal life she would not have a clue, but she would be the first person out there looking for me if I were to go missing...

[Oregongal]

I'm still reading and trying to catch up on today's posts, so if this has been mentioned, please forgive...but, has LE done any kind of search of C&F's house? I know they haven't done a search warrant kind, but even a cursory look around the house and yard?
Does anyone know?

[figritout]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


True, they may not have known much about him at all.

I also go back to the possibility that several have suggested regarding sexual orientation (not "sex change operation" -- I'm sure there would have been some clues about *that* in advance!). If Nicholas was bisexual (or gay, living as straight, which does happen), having been brought up Catholic and then being involved in the very Biblically-based Mars Hill Church (which I'm assuming is not accepting of gays), there may have been a lot of shame around that. So much that he might feel like a failure as a father and husband, and even as a brother and son, if he thought his loved ones wouldn't accept him as he really is. Anyway, it's a possibility. [/*]

Yes this is a definite possibility.. I guess I am stuck in my box though, because I think he met with foul play.. Could be from a spurned gay lover? Hadn't thought of that one.. But I still keep going back to the church... There is something really wrong with the scenario involving it.. resigning, then to go missing two days later, and then remove any links associated with the church?.. I have to go with my gut which is this was a huge event. Which is usually a catalyst to unusual events.

[figritout]

Originally posted by Envision


I am indifferent to my mother for personal reasons which do not belong on this forum. My point was, as close as they are (N and his mom and sisters) or claim to be, they may know nothing of his personal thoughts or feelings and therefore not a thing about why he left. [/*]

I think this is exactly the way it is...

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by kpb


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I wasn't aware of ANY Christine bashing on the Etsy threads. There may of been a person or two who asked questions, and they were pounced on that this thread is to support Christine, nothing else. The questions were not critical of Christine, just curiousity about what the status was on the search and such. :confused:

That's not to say there wasn't any bashing, I just didn't see it. If someone knows of some, would they be so kind as to put the link here.

There was also the thread that Dianaelaine started, but again I didn't see any Christine bashing in there either. :shrug: [/*]

I never saw any bashing of CF but there was plenty bashing of anyone who didn't toe the party line as far as foul play was concerned

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by need2no
As I'm sure most of us do, I keep going over and over the same stuff in my mind. If NF planned to walk and CF knew nothing about this wouldn't he want to buy a little time for his get away?

CF has her own transportation and she very well could have panicked an gone looking for him if he is as prompt and reliable as she claims. He would have no way of knowing for certain how CF would react when he didn't arrive home on time, and she knew he couldn't call. Was NF already aware they needed sugar for the cookies? Did he check before hand, or dispose of the sugar they had? IIRC on one interview CF said she called NF about needing sugar, on the other interview she said he called her and said he was going to stop for sugar to make cookies. I can't imagine this would be the only delay NF could think of to buy some time. He could just have easily said he had to work late, rather than involve the child in this plan. Did CF suggest the cookie baking and NF just played along since his plans were already in motion? Is the cookie story just a tale to make NF sound like a dependable, devoted and loving father to put a nice spin on the missing man story and suck the public in?

What did Christine do that night? Did she call anyone to convey he hadn't shown up and ask for advise about what she should do, or ask someone to sit with her children so she could go look for NF? Having an old vehicle with no working cell phone, wouldn't her 1st thought be his car broke down, and since she knew where he was going she could have driven the route to try and look for him. Were things so bad between them that CF wasn't surprised when he didn't arrive home at the expected time? Did she really talk to him at work several times on the 13th?

After typing this out I'm leaning toward they are in on this together and NF had at least 12 hours to get his plan rolling. Meanwhile the cookie story was contrived to pull the public's heartstrings. Heck the pregnancy could even be part of the grand plan, but I raised an eyebrow about the midwife checking her out story. CF played the woe is me financial stress with everyone she spoke to when the word got out...to get the ball rolling without even having to outright suggest donations, and to make the disappearance sound even more worrisome, troubling and believeable. This computer savvy couple know how the schemes work, no doubt about that. The Paypal 'discovery' could have been planned and timed as well.

Has the public's interest and staying on top of this case thrown a monkey wrench into their plans. Is CF reading here to determine what we are thinking?

Just thinking out loud and shaking my head.......... [/*]

just exactly what is a midwife going to check for at this stage of pg? you can't feel anything, maybe do her bp but really she could see her gp for that. Most midwives aren't involved in a pg until the 2nd trimester. IME anyways.

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by Nellie
I have a question I want to pose to any Etsy members here.
Did you donate to the fund for Christine in any way?
Do you feel differently about donating now that you have found out that Nicholas' paychecks have not stopped?
Do you think the donations should be stopped now that it is known?

Just curious.... [/*]

not one red cent, I thought it was off that she was asking for money so soon when he could be walking in the door any second. Besides, I had never seen her in the forums before, diddn't know her from the next bar of soap

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by n/t


Statements quoted are Christine's words and not made up by the reporter. [/*]

Oh believe me, reporters write things just the way that they want to even if it is in quotes. They write it so it will get responses just like that article is getting. I've been there.

I think that Christine is saying that she can understand why LE thinks that Nick might have just walked away because...there is no sign of foul play in his car or anywhere. It doesn't have to have some underlying meaning. If my husband disappeared and hadn't been located in 3 + weeks I think murder would be where my mind would be at. If she believes that he was murdered then she doesn't think that he walked away. If he didn't walk away then something is horribly wrong.

"The world hasn't stopped spinning just because Nick is missing."
In other words....their lives haven't stopped cold just because Nick is missing. If they had then she wouldn't have to worry about finances and things like that. She has to figure out a way to carry on without Nick. She has to do that now not sometime down the road. She has children to take care of.

You can tell in their family pictures how much Nick loved those kids. It's hard to believe that he would turn his back on them and walk off. A divorce would give him visitation rights. I might be wrong but he doesn't strike me as that irresponsible. Leaving for good means never seeing his children again. I just don't think so.

Maybe Christine doesn't lay her heart on a table for everyone to see and maybe some of the things that she says sound cold but we don't know her. We've never met her so we don't know what kind of a person she is at all. Right now she is a victim with a missing husband that no one knows where he is. I have a hard time believing that she isn't feeling like dying but she isn't going to let anyone know it. She has to stay controlled because she has two little kids depending on her.

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by babygraceful


I don’t know - I still find that to be odd though. I am just not sure how being silent could benefit someone who is missing. Would staying silent really be something they would be advised to do?

With the internet reaching so many places/people & Christine being very savvy using it – I question why it isn’t being utilized more so by her & her family in their SEARCH. [/*]


What would you expect them to come on the internet and say? Would you want them to answer every question that people like us have about Nick's disappearance? I don't see what they could learn by coming on the internet. I think people are more interested in what they think happened to Nick and what they think about Christine and the things she has said. I don't blame them for not coming on the internet. They owe no one any explainations about anything. I would bet that is how they feel.
For those people that know Nick and Christine and their families...they know what kind of people they are. For those that don't know them...those people..like us...don't matter to them.

If you notice, the forums have gotten away from what happened to Nick and are almost totally focused on Christine and every word that she says. Why would any family member what to get on the internet. There are plenty of organizations that help with the missing...we aren't one of them.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by figritout


Yes this is a definite possibility.. I guess I am stuck in my box though, because I think he met with foul play.. Could be from a spurned gay lover? Hadn't thought of that one.. But I still keep going back to the church... There is something really wrong with the scenario involving it.. resigning, then to go missing two days later, and then remove any links associated with the church?.. I have to go with my gut which is this was a huge event. Which is usually a catalyst to unusual events. [/*]

ITA. Something is wrong with the picture. Pretty difficult these days to manage two kids and a mortgage on a single income and she gets pregnant again. Is the baby his or did he discover she was she messing around with someone at church? Did she get mad, hit him over the head with the frying pan and bury him under the roses in the backyard? Within days she went from proclaiming her inability to live without him to proclaiming he's dead, stop looking but please pass the hat so she can continue to buy organic sugar.

I think he met with foul play all right....and the mrs. is involved. Red flags in her interview. Time for a poly.

jmo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by BobbisAngel


Oh believe me, reporters write things just the way that they want to even if it is in quotes. They write it so it will get responses just like that article is getting. I've been there.

I think that Christine is saying that she can understand why LE thinks that Nick might have just walked away because...there is no sign of foul play in his car or anywhere. It doesn't have to have some underlying meaning. If my husband disappeared and hadn't been located in 3 + weeks I think murder would be where my mind would be at. If she believes that he was murdered then she doesn't think that he walked away. If he didn't walk away then something is horribly wrong.

"The world hasn't stopped spinning just because Nick is missing."
In other words....their lives haven't stopped cold just because Nick is missing. If they had then she wouldn't have to worry about finances and things like that. She has to figure out a way to carry on without Nick. She has to do that now not sometime down the road. She has children to take care of.

You can tell in their family pictures how much Nick loved those kids. It's hard to believe that he would turn his back on them and walk off. A divorce would give him visitation rights. I might be wrong but he doesn't strike me as that irresponsible. Leaving for good means never seeing his children again. I just don't think so.

Maybe Christine doesn't lay her heart on a table for everyone to see and maybe some of the things that she says sound cold but we don't know her. We've never met her so we don't know what kind of a person she is at all. Right now she is a victim with a missing husband that no one knows where he is. I have a hard time believing that she isn't feeling like dying but she isn't going to let anyone know it. She has to stay controlled because she has two little kids depending on her. [/*]

The finding of his vehicle has shifted this case from the possibility he just "walked away." If he didn't want to be found, he wouldn't have left his car in such an obvious place for him to be seen and for it to be quickly found. Whomever left that car where it was found also wasn't too worried about being seen or LE finding evidence in it. That's a big clue that the car was left by someone who has previously been in the car.

jmo

[RainyNiteNTx]

Finally caught up....

Regarding bashing of Christine on Etsy - I would really like to have the link for that. I've read through all of the Etsy threads for Christine and saw nothing but support. If someone even asked a question that person was almost made to feel shamed - and was reminded it was a support thread.

I did not understand why people were manning the thread like you would a telethon. People would announce they were there to take over so whoever could go eat or take care of their baby.

On the following site, there is a poster who is still fundraising as of March 4th - something called needy or greedy, so it looks like the donations are still being pursued by Etsy members...
http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/

I don't know how much money constitutes having to contact a financial advisor but I would assume it would be in the thousands.

I am very torn as to what I think. The picture she has on her blog of her little boy and the dog symbolizes everything pure and innocent in this world and keeps me in check most times.

However, Nicholas is missing without a trace and there are things that could be done that are not being done. Something as simple as putting his picture on her MySpace, and on her blog. Something as simple as submitting his picture to Texas Equusearch. I even supplied the link.

Judge Judy says "if it doesn't make sense, its a lie". But which part is a lie?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Finally caught up....

Regarding bashing of Christine on Etsy - I would really like to have the link for that. I've read through all of the Etsy threads for Christine and saw nothing but support. If someone even asked a question that person was almost made to feel shamed - and was reminded it was a support thread.

I did not understand why people were manning the thread like you would a telethon. People would announce they were there to take over so whoever could go eat or take care of their baby.

On the following site, there is a poster who is still fundraising as of March 4th - something called needy or greedy, so it looks like the donations are still being pursued by Etsy members...
http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/

I don't know how much money constitutes having to contact a financial advisor but I would assume it would be in the thousands.

I am very torn as to what I think. The picture she has on her blog of her little boy and the dog symbolizes everything pure and innocent in this world and keeps me in check most times.

However, Nicholas is missing without a trace and there are things that could be done that are not being done. Something as simple as putting his picture on her MySpace, and on her blog. Something as simple as submitting his picture to Texas Equusearch. I even supplied the link.

Judge Judy says "if it doesn't make sense, its a lie". But which part is a lie? [/*]

Let's see: trip to Costco to buy an $8, 10-lb bag of organic sugar? She said that to widen the search area.

or......Having no credit cards on him? She said that to deter cops from checking them and seeing just how drowning in debt they really are.

or.....battery-dead cell phone? A dead phone ensures no pings to be traced.

jmo

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Let's see: trip to Costco to buy an $8, 10-lb bag of organic sugar? She said that to widen the search area.

or......Having no credit cards on him? She said that to deter cops from checking them and seeing just how drowning in debt they really are.

or.....battery-dead cell phone? A dead phone ensures no pings to be traced.

jmo [/*]

There was a lot of discussion at first on here about his cell phone - I began to sound like a broken record so finally shut up, but my big question has been did he not have a car charger? This was a T-Mobile phone - one of his employer's largest accounts. Of course if he was kidnapped on the street, he never had time to get in the car and plug his phone in.