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Cinderella
03-07-2008, 08:50 PM
These are just a few of the conflicting stories that posters try to talk about and certain people state that they don't exist. No wonder people question what really is the truth. I have only 1 Centre Daily story in here. There are few about the morning as I haven't researched them yet.

You asked for it, you got it.

Monday, April 18, 2005

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2005/04/04-18-05tdc/04-18-05dnews-01.asp

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"He told his girlfriend that he was taking off of work and just going for a drive in his Mini Cooper," Dixon said.
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April 19, 2005

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05109/490420.stm

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<*>"According to Bellefonte police Chief Duane Dixon, Gricar last spoke to Fornicola around 11:30 a.m. Friday. The long-time district attorney had planned to go into the office about noon that day, but instead, he called his girlfriend, who also works in the office, and told her he was out for a drive along Route 192 in Penns Valley. He told her he would not be in at all and no one thought it was unusual."
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April 20, 2005

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2005/04/04-20-05tdc/04-20-05dnews-05.asp
Daily Collegian

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The 59-year-old Gricar, Centre County district attorney since 1985, was last heard from at 11:30 a.m. Friday, when he called girlfriend Patty Fornicola to tell her he was taking the day off from work to go for a drive.
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April 25, 2005

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2005/04/04-25-05tdc/04-25-05dnews-06.asp

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Gricar was last heard from at 11:30 a.m. April 15, when he called girlfriend Patty Fornicola to tell her he was taking the rest of the afternoon off from work and going for a drive in his Mini Cooper.
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yardbird. Com

http://www.yardbird.com/midnight_ride_another_missing_PA_prosecutor_1.htm

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Gricar was last heard from on Friday, April 15, at about 11:12am, when he called his girlfriend, Patty Fornicola (a clerk in the DA's office) on his cell phone, telling her he was taking a drive along Rt. 192 in the Penns Valley area. The road leads into Lewisburg. Fornicola on April 29, 2005, would say their conversation had been brief, and Gricar had offered no explanation of where he was heading or when he might return. Earlier that morning, Fornicola would say, she and Gracor had gone through their normal morning routine; while she was preparing to go to work, she says, Gricar told her he was taking the day off. She says she left a note for him.
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May 16, 2005

Fox News, On The Record With Greta Van Sustern - Search for Ray Gricar Continues

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156683,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: Take me back to April 15th about 11:30 a.m. Did you place the call to him or did he place the call to you?

FORNICOLA: He placed the call to me. I happened to be the person, the receptionist that day and answered the phone and it was Ray.

VAN SUSTEREN: Were you expecting this call or were you expecting him in the office, anything unusual about it?

FORNICOLA: No. When I left for work that morning he had indicated that he was going to take the day off and he had fallen back to sleep. I left him a note asking that if he decided to go anywhere to let me know, so that I could go home and take care of the dog.

And he called and said that, he said "I'm on 192. I'm not going to make it home to take care of the dog. Would you be able to go home?" And I said, "Sure." He said, "Thanks. I love you." I said, "I love you too," and that was the last I heard from him.
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CNN Larry King Live

August 2, 2005

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/02/lkl.01.html

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Clay: You know, Ray, you know, he was set to go into work that day on April 15th, tax day for us. And he decided he was going to drive to Lewisburg. He called Patty, told her that he was going to be late, and that's the last we heard from him, right around 11:15 on April 15th.
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November 16, 2005

Cleveland Free Times - The Rivers Edge


http://www.freetimes.com/stories/13/30/the-rivers-edge-homicide-suicide-hoax-a-prosecutor-vanishes-and-the-clues-point-everywhere-and-nowhere-at-oncethe-rivers-edge

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On Friday, April 15, Gricar told his new girlfriend, Patty Fornicola, he wasn’t going to work. He said he thought he might play hooky and head into Lewisburg, an hour’s drive to the east, to do some antiquing. This was not unusual. Gricar would often take half days off to visit antique shops in nearby towns, questing for vintage toys. Small metal cars. Outdated appliances.
Fornicola asked him to call if he wouldn’t be back in time to walk the dog at noon. That was the last time she saw him.

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Missing District Attorney - MSNBC

May 15, 2006
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12756052/

On the morning of Friday April 15, 2005, Patty left for her job, also in the D.A.’s office, but Ray decided to stay in bed.

Fornicola: He said, "I don’t think I’m going to go to work today. I think I’m gonna take today off." I said, "Fine, good for you."

She says a few hours later, Ray called and told her he was taking a scenic drive along a road which led to one of their favorite antiquing spots, nearby Lewisburg.

Fornicola: He said, "I love you." And I said, "I love you, too."

Those were the last words she would ever hear him say.
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July 29, 2006

Q Hi Mr. Bosak, Isn't it standard procedure that law enforcement won't even take an adult missing person case until the person has been missing for twenty-four hours? That leads me to believe Mr. Gricar never returned home after his office visit on April 14, 2005.
Anonymous 7/28/06

A The 24-hour idea is more a TV-generated myth. Patty Fornicola, Ray's girlfriend, did not report him missing until the night of April 15, 2005. Earlier that day, he called her to say he was not going into the office and was taking a drive out toward Lewisburg. Police were able to confirm that location by the cell phone tower Ray's call went through. That was the last call Ray made and the last time anyone has heard from him. Ray was home the night of April 14, 2005. He was still in bed when Patty left for work at the DA's office. He said then he probably was going to "play hooky." So, to get back to the point, for Ray not to have come home by the evening of April 15, 2005 — and not called Patty so she would not worry — was highly unusual an deservedly warranted police attention. After all, Ray was the chief law enforcement officer for Centre County and I am sure made enemies over the years by putting criminals behind bars.

Pete Bosak 7/29/06

Cinderella
03-07-2008, 08:52 PM
No DATE

The Charley Project
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/gricar_ray.html

Ray was last seen on April 15, 2005 in Bellefonte, Pennsylvania. He took a half-day off from work and left his place of employment, driving his 2004 Mini Cooper, which is red with a white top and a vanity license plate. A photograph of the vehicle is posted below this case summary. Ray called his longtime girlfriend, Patty Fornicola, on his cellular phone at 11:30 a.m. and said he was driving east-northeast on Route 192 toward Lewisburg in Union County, Pennsylvania.
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These are not all. One show PF did she stated that Ray asked something about the household. I forget which show, but maybe I can find it.

Serendipitous1
03-07-2008, 09:13 PM
I do not even have to read your thread opener(s). There have been no published inconsistent quotes made by PF...none. I defy you to find two actual PF quotes, which are inconsistent. Put them side-by-side here, with references.

Politigal
03-07-2008, 10:13 PM
Happy Friday everyone ;)

Whether the quotes were actually attributable to PF or the media, there were some conflicting accounts.

IIRC - - -

PB wrote that RG told PF on *Thurs* night that he was going to play hooky on Friday (per Patty)

It was reported that Patty said RG told her that morning that he had decided to take the day off.

Tony confirmed that RG was taking *half* the day off and that the call was to let Patty know that he was taking the other *half* of the day off and wouldn't be there to let the dog out at noon.

And then Patty stated that when she got home from work that RG had not left her a note. ???

There were also several conflicting accounts of the gist of his call details to Patty - like he was heading west on 192 - that he was heading west on 192 to Lewisburg - that he was heading to Lewisburg to do some antiquing, etc.

Who the heck knows?!*&%

Cinderella
03-07-2008, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by Politigal
Happy Friday everyone ;)

Whether the quotes were actually attributable to PF or the media, there were some conflicting accounts.

IIRC - - -

PB wrote that RG told PF on *Thurs* night that he was going to play hooky on Friday (per Patty)

It was reported that Patty said RG told her that morning that he had decided to take the day off.

Tony confirmed that RG was taking *half* the day off and that the call was to let Patty know that he was taking the other *half* of the day off and wouldn't be there to let the dog out at noon.

And then Patty stated that when she got home from work that RG had not left her a note. ???

There were also several conflicting accounts of the gist of his call details to Patty - like he was heading west on 192 - that he was heading west on 192 to Lewisburg - that he was heading to Lewisburg to do some antiquing, etc.

Who the heck knows?!*&% [/*]


Thank you very much Pgal for telling the truth. Now you will be made out to be a crazy lunatic. :biggrin:

The best newspaper article are no longer available.

Politigal
03-07-2008, 10:32 PM
Music to soothe the ~savage~ beasts

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8dtX0zcOXs8

J. J. in Phila
03-07-2008, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by Politigal
Happy Friday everyone ;)

Whether the quotes were actually attributable to PF or the media, there were some conflicting accounts.

IIRC - - -

PB wrote that RG told PF on *Thurs* night that he was going to play hooky on Friday (per Patty)

It was reported that Patty said RG told her that morning that he had decided to take the day off.


Tony confirmed that RG was taking *half* the day off and that the call was to let Patty know that he was taking the other *half* of the day off and wouldn't be there to let the dog out at noon.


Actually, LG confirmed that the call was about the dog. TG noted what Dixon said at the news conference.

And then Patty stated that when she got home from work that RG had not left her a note. ???

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Actually, this was what Dixon at the press conference. That might have been where TG picked it up.

LG, in an interview, "confirmed" that the call was regarding the dog.

Cinderella
03-07-2008, 11:26 PM
So you do agree that there were conflicting accounts to what transpired? That is when a lot of people started to question PF. It is nice that this is being cleared up. When you get news from LE, you expect it to be the truth. Just like TG assumed that Dixon was reporting the truth.

Politigal
03-07-2008, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by J. J. in Phila


Actually, LG confirmed that the call was about the dog. TG noted what Dixon said at the news conference.

And then Patty stated that when she got home from work that RG had not left her a note. ???

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Actually, this was what Dixon at the press conference. That might have been where TG picked it up.

LG, in an interview, "confirmed" that the call was regarding the dog. [/*]

lol

Lara confirmed what Patty told her

J. J. in Phila
03-07-2008, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by Politigal


lol

Lara confirmed what Patty told her [/*]

TG "confirmed" what he heard from Weaver. :biggrin:

Again, the account of the call came from Weaver, not PEF.

tonyGricar
03-08-2008, 12:17 AM
Carnac the Magnificent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BddmnJ161MA) could have guess what was inside this envelope...

J. J. in Phila
03-08-2008, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by Cinderella
So you do agree that there were conflicting accounts to what transpired? That is when a lot of people started to question PF. It is nice that this is being cleared up. When you get news from LE, you expect it to be the truth. Just like TG assumed that Dixon was reporting the truth. [/*]

Dixon also said that RFG's prints were in the Mini, IIRC. This could have the first in a series of "mistakements."

In all fairness to Dixon, this could be like a game of "telephone," with Dixon repeating what he thought DZ told about what DZ thought PEF told him. In the very early stages of this, I can understand legitimate confusion.

I was outside of DC on 9-11 and can vividly the reports of the bomb exploding at the State Department, from CBS (and probably every other news service). Problem was, guess what, there was no explosion outside the State Department. Same thing happened here, a detail got slightly garbled in the retelling.

J. J. in Phila
03-08-2008, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by tonyGricar
Carnac the Magnificent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BddmnJ161MA) could have guess what was inside this envelope... [/*]

I prefer The Amazing Criswell.

Politigal
03-08-2008, 12:35 AM
Carnac the Magnificent

The Amazing Criswell

or simply - the inaccurate Darrel Zaccagni

:biggrin:

sherrijean981
03-08-2008, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by Politigal


There were also several conflicting accounts of the gist of his call details to Patty - like he was heading west on 192 - that he was heading west on 192 to Lewisburg - that he was heading to Lewisburg to do some antiquing, etc.

Who the heck knows?!*&% [/*]

Well if he told her he was on Rt 192 and wouldn't be home in time to take Honey out and he ended up in Lewisburg, he didn't go west, he would go east. West would take him to Boalsburg.

Now he could have been going west on 192 when he talked to her, but something had to have happened to him, after that call, if his car was found east of Rt 192, in Lewisburg.

Politigal
03-08-2008, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by sherrijean981


Well if he told her he was on Rt 192 and wouldn't be home in time to take Honey out and he ended up in Lewisburg, he didn't go west, he would go east. West would take him to Boalsburg.

Now he could have been going west on 192 when he talked to her, but something had to have happened to him, after that call, if his car was found east of Rt 192, in Lewisburg. [/*]

you're correct - I misspoke --- and should have said East

J. J. in Phila
03-08-2008, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by Politigal
Carnac the Magnificent

The Amazing Criswell

or simply - the inaccurate Darrel Zaccagni

:biggrin: [/*]

But it wasn't PEF, which is the subject of the thread.

Politigal
03-08-2008, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by J. J. in Phila


But it wasn't PEF, which is the subject of the thread. [/*]

and Criswell *is* ???

get over yourself man

J. J. in Phila
03-08-2008, 12:49 AM
Originally posted by Politigal


and Criswell *is* ???

get over yourself man [/*]


I'm quite "over myself."

You can look up The Amazing Criswell or watch Ed Wood or even Plan 9 From Outer Space. I've appeared in neither film. :biggrin:

Cinderella
03-08-2008, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by J. J. in Phila


But it wasn't PEF, which is the subject of the thread. [/*]


J.J., The title of the thread is conflicting accounts pertaining to PF. I didn't put conflicting reports by PF. So no this is not only a PF thread. Do you get it. :punch:

Tony has to agree that there have been conflicting reports.

Those that don't know PF wonder if she changed her story several times. So in a way, it isn't a bad thread if other people got it mixed up. I have been trying to say this forever. I just want to know what the truth is.

Politigal
03-08-2008, 12:52 AM
Originally posted by J. J. in Phila



I'm quite "over myself."

You can look up The Amazing Criswell or watch Ed Wood or even Plan 9 From Outer Space. I've appeared in neither film. :biggrin: [/*]

just to set the record straight....

I was never in "Debbie does Dallas" either.

:D

Cinderella
03-08-2008, 12:54 AM
Originally posted by Politigal


just to set the record straight....

I was never in "Debbie does Dallas" either.

:D [/*]


Debbie does Dallas? Never heard of Debbie does Dallas.

Politigal
03-08-2008, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by Cinderella



Debbie does Dallas? Never heard of Debbie does Dallas. [/*]

lol....it's a 70's thang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debbie_Does_Dallas

J. J. in Phila
03-08-2008, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by Cinderella



Debbie does Dallas? Never heard of Debbie does Dallas. [/*]

You are a good girl, Cinderella. ;)

Politigal
03-08-2008, 01:09 AM
Cinderella - you first posted that you thought I might be JKA....

But, I never learned to talk in 3rd person...:D