What Do You Think Happened To Nicholas?

[need2no]

FOUL PLAY
WALKED, BUT MET WITH FOUL PLAY
WALKED FOR DOMESTIC REASONS
WALKED FOR OTHER REASONS


Are there other possibities y'all can think of? Since it's been three weeks and we have so little information I was considering posting a poll to see what people think happened at this point. I realize many of us are on the fence and conflicted since we have little to go on, but if you had to choose one of the above based on what we do know and have discussed and considered which way are you leaning.

So...what do y'all think? To soon for a poll? To early to make up your mind? What's the point? Stupid idea? Be honest, I have thick skin.

:)

[n/t]

Hi need,

I think you had good intentions to start a poll but may I suggest "How to Start a Poll on InSession 101". LOL :D

I never thought Nicholas walked away from his family. I did think maybe because of financial issues he could've walked but after seeing the link last night confirmed by LE that there were no debts, I now believe something horrible happened to him.

I hope I'm wrong and he's safe.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Snowbird


There is also a possibility of Suicide. Although I do not think we have enough true facts to make a decision at this time or at least I don't. [/*]

I can hardly even think about that, but after seeing the possible layoffs with all the responsibility he had, the turmoil over the church, I guess it should be considered.

[need2no]

Originally posted by n/t
Hi need,

I think you had good intentions to start a poll but may I suggest "How to Start a Poll on InSession 101". LOL :D

I never thought Nicholas walked away from his family. I did think maybe because of financial issues he could've walked but after seeing the link last night confirmed by LE that there were no debts, I now believe something horrible happened to him.

I hope I'm wrong and he's safe. [/*]

LOL-this is not the poll, this is an inquiry about putting up a poll.

Hey n/t I won't say I couldn't use a 101 class in posting a poll, but this is NOT the poll. Let me explain...last night I decided to post a poll to see which way everyone is leaning with regard to what happened to NF. So... I clicked on new thread but when I started typing the questions I had second thoughts and decided to simply post an inquiry asking what all of you thought about having a poll before I actually put a poll on the board. After typing the question and hitting submit I realized I was on a new thread, rather than the daily thread...oops.

Anyway, at this point I just wanted to know if there were any other possibilities of what happened to NF, other than the four I listed, (I see someone added suicide), and to ask if people thought I should even post a poll.

I guess I'll just wait for a few more comments and decide whether to go ahead with putting up the anonymous response poll.

[n/t]

Originally posted by need2no


LOL-this is not the poll, this is an inquiry about putting up a poll.

Hey n/t I won't say I couldn't use a 101 class in posting a poll, but this is NOT the poll. Let me explain...last night I decided to post a poll to see which way everyone is leaning with regard to what happened to NF. So... I clicked on new thread but when I started typing the questions I had second thoughts and decided to simply post an inquiry asking what all of you thought about having a poll before I actually put a poll on the board. After typing the question and hitting submit I realized I was on a new thread, rather than the daily thread...oops.

Anyway, at this point I just wanted to know if there were any other possibilities of what happened to NF, other than the four I listed, (I see someone added suicide), and to ask if people thought I should even post a poll.

I guess I'll just wait for a few more comments and decide whether to go ahead with putting up the anonymous response poll. [/*]


Ahhhh I get it now. I read the word poll and my brain goes on automatic looking for the little circle to click on. :D

I think it's not too early. I think many of us already have some idea of what may have happened. You can include "Other" and posters can explain. Just a suggestion.

You know, I never even thought suicide. :(

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t



Ahhhh I get it now. I read the word poll and my brain goes on automatic looking for the little circle to click on. :D

I think it's not too early. I think many of us already have some idea of what may have happened. You can include "Other" and posters can explain. Just a suggestion.

You know, I never even thought suicide. :( [/*]

That has been brought up before and I just have a real hard time exploring that one. :(

[need2no]

Originally posted by n/t



Ahhhh I get it now. I read the word poll and my brain goes on automatic looking for the little circle to click on. :D

I think it's not too early. I think many of us already have some idea of what may have happened. You can include "Other" and posters can explain. Just a suggestion.

You know, I never even thought suicide. :( [/*]

I know, I often function in auto pilot myself-lol.

You are right, we do need OTHER as an option. I didn't think of suicide either, so sad to consider.

Thanks for responding.

[need2no]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


That has been brought up before and I just have a real hard time exploring that one. :( [/*]

Yes, I do recall this being thrown out there as a possibility (I think I shoved it w a y back in my mind), but it is certainly a consideration we shouldn't overlook and I will add it to the poll.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by need2no


Yes, I do recall this being thrown out there as a possibility (I think I shoved it w a y back in my mind), but it is certainly a consideration we shouldn't overlook and I will add it to the poll. [/*]

LOL need2no - I do that quite a bit - shove things wayyyy back in my mind

[need2no]

I realize many of us are on the fence and conflicted since we have so little to go on, but if you had to choose just ONE based on what we do know and have discussed and considered so far, which way are you leaning at this time.


FOUL PLAY
WALKED FOR DOMESTIC/PERSONAL REASONS
WALKED FOR OTHER REASONS (in some kind of trouble, and/or church related)
SUICIDE
OTHER (PLEASE EXPLAIN)

[field of snow]

My vote was walked for domestic/personal with a bent towards personal reasons.

[n/t]

I want to change my vote after reading today's article. I voted foul play but I now believe Nicholas left. I also believe he didn't just leave without telling Christine.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Beth
n/t wants a do-over!


:tongue:

I'll bet those numbers would change drastically after today's article. JMO [/*]


LOL, a do-over.

You may be right about the numbers changing. Maybe I'll put up a new poll next week after everyone has had a chance to mull over and discuss the recent article.

[YellowRose49]

I haven't seen this train of thinking yet, but here is a thought. Before I state that thought I want to agree that something is VERY wrong here. The wife is either really upset, thinking that he left on his own (or KNOWING it) and wishes him dead, thus setting in her mind that thought, OR....if their financial picture was strained, perhaps they planned this, to get money from people and he will sooner or later show up. I know that this is screwy, but stranger things have happened.
What have family members said? Does he have family nearby or is it just her (I'm sorry...I am not as well informed about this as I have been on past cases)who has family.
Could he have been upset at her getting pregnant (perhaps purposely) and threatened to leave if she did, fulfilling that threat? This happened to a cousin of mine.
I can hardly believe that the average family man would simply take off. I also find it odd that he would have met with foul play, unless she arranged it. Unless something was planned by the two of him, it DOES seem strange that, if he knew he was being searched for, he would not voluntarily show up.
I don't know. The facts are not truly known and we only have what the wife says. She is really rushing it to get her life back to normal, so it seems that she has few feelings (positive) about him, in any case. She is more concerned for her wellbeing, I suspect. IF he took off, that may be one of the reasons.

[BobbisAngel]

There are a lot of people that think that there is something wrong with Christine's behavior. It seems that everytime she opens her mouth she gets attacked. I don't see how anyone should judge her until they have walked in her shoes. For those of us who haven't...we have no idea how we would react to anything. It's so easy to sit back and say...I would do this or I wouldn't do that but we don't know what we would do or say until we find ourselves in her situation.

If Christine goes out and gets a job people will say...she must not even care that Nick is missing...look at her..she is just going right on with her life. If she doesn't...there will be other rude remarks made about her. She has to find a way to take care of herself and her children. She has to have money to pay her bills and buy gro's, etc. Even if she does have to go to work I can guarentee you that her mind will be on her missing husband. It is impossible to just put that out of your mind and get on with life.

People are judging this woman without having ever met her. No one knows what kind of a personality she has...how she handles crisis or anything about her...what her marriage was like...or anything else about her.

No one knows what happened to Nick. I think he was harmed by someone...possibly for something as simple as his laptop....Drug money for someone. Seattle is full of crime of every kind. It is full of druggies. It is a crime ridden city. Anything could have happened to Nick there. His car got to that apt complex somehow. Even if LE knocked on every door there if the person that harmed Nick lives there or knows somebody who lives there..they aren't going to confess. I hope there wasn't foul play.

Did Nick just leave home to start a new life? I don't know. In the family pictures you can tell that he loves his children. It's hard for me to believe that he would just up and leave them. His best friend says no...he would never do that. It has happened before though so who knows.

Whatever happend to Nick...Christine and the children are victims. They didn't have anything to do with his disappearance. They deserve our empathy not our judgment.

[SeattleEddie]

Seattle is full of crime of every kind. It is full of druggies. It is a crime ridden city.

This is ridiculous. Seattle is one of the safest metropolitan urban areas in the United States.
Bobbis Angel, you sure you are not Christine?

I think he left for personal reasons. I also think more is known about this case than has been revealed to the public.

[SeattleEddie]

Also, suicide is highly unlikely. A person killing himself cannot hide his own body.

[kaylynn]

Originally posted by SeattleEddie


This is ridiculous. Seattle is one of the safest metropolitan urban areas in the United States.
Bobbis Angel, you sure you are not Christine?

[/*]

According to what I've researched on cityrating.com, Seattles violent crime (rape, murders, assaults, etc) is significantly lower than the national average, and their property crime (thefts, robberies, etc) is significantly higher.
I agree that Seattle is safe. Whoevers post you quote SeattleEddie, obviously didn't research before they made such a ridiculous statement.

[txfemale45]

I voted foul play....

I hate to say this but after the runanway bride they need to make it a crime to runaway and have LE and everyone look for you.. Look at what it cost tax payers... and as a adult you have the right to take off if you want too....


My daughter is 23 and I am 47 and we have talked about it we both have the right to take off but we would never do it without telling the other one....

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by BobbisAngel
There are a lot of people that think that there is something wrong with Christine's behavior. It seems that everytime she opens her mouth she gets attacked. I don't see how anyone should judge her until they have walked in her shoes. For those of us who haven't...we have no idea how we would react to anything. It's so easy to sit back and say...I would do this or I wouldn't do that but we don't know what we would do or say until we find ourselves in her situation.

If Christine goes out and gets a job people will say...she must not even care that Nick is missing...look at her..she is just going right on with her life. If she doesn't...there will be other rude remarks made about her. She has to find a way to take care of herself and her children. She has to have money to pay her bills and buy gro's, etc. Even if she does have to go to work I can guarentee you that her mind will be on her missing husband. It is impossible to just put that out of your mind and get on with life.

People are judging this woman without having ever met her. No one knows what kind of a personality she has...how she handles crisis or anything about her...what her marriage was like...or anything else about her.

No one knows what happened to Nick. I think he was harmed by someone...possibly for something as simple as his laptop....Drug money for someone. Seattle is full of crime of every kind. It is full of druggies. It is a crime ridden city. Anything could have happened to Nick there. His car got to that apt complex somehow. Even if LE knocked on every door there if the person that harmed Nick lives there or knows somebody who lives there..they aren't going to confess. I hope there wasn't foul play.

Did Nick just leave home to start a new life? I don't know. In the family pictures you can tell that he loves his children. It's hard for me to believe that he would just up and leave them. His best friend says no...he would never do that. It has happened before though so who knows.

Whatever happend to Nick...Christine and the children are victims. They didn't have anything to do with his disappearance. They deserve our empathy not our judgment. [/*]

Excellent post BobbisAngel. I fully agree with everything you said.

And for those that are stating Seattle is so safe; hello. Even farytale cities such as Oz has its crime and criminals. Now days anything can happen at anytime to anyone.

PS - I know you guys have missed me. After 4 days of being gone, I am truly exhausted so I doubt I will be getting into this board too much tonight but I just wanted to chime in and say hey. lol :seeya:

[Silver_Dove]

Originally posted by BobbisAngel

No one knows what happened to Nick. I think he was harmed by someone...possibly for something as simple as his laptop....Drug money for someone. Seattle is full of crime of every kind. It is full of druggies. It is a crime ridden city. Anything could have happened to Nick there. His car got to that apt complex somehow. Even if LE knocked on every door there if the person that harmed Nick lives there or knows somebody who lives there..they aren't going to confess. I hope there wasn't foul play.

Did Nick just leave home to start a new life? I don't know. In the family pictures you can tell that he loves his children. It's hard for me to believe that he would just up and leave them. His best friend says no...he would never do that. It has happened before though so [/*]

I'm only going to address the parts of this that have to do with the subject.

Seattle is NOT crime and drug ridden especially not the areas he would have been in. His laptop was in a bag so no one would have know it was a laptop plus in this city everyone and his brother cares one and even yarn stores have wifi. Crime and especially stranger violence has been going down for years.

As to the lovely and loving family pictures want to to find you some of my "loving family" pictures of the man who hit me and ended up walking out on me? Believe me no one takes or posts the pictures of the bad times. As to his best friend sounds like they have had a long distance friendship for a while now so who knows how he has changed?

[SHinS]

Without getting into too many details as to why, my very first impression was that this guy walked.

[donna]

I know I am going to offend some people with my post, but here goes:

I think that Christine's behavior is really off. Something is wrong here. I watched her on the Nancy Grace Show, and she kept smiling and sounded so upbeat! She did not appear to be wrung out and worried out of her mind as people who appear on TV to talk about their missing loved ones.

[Mysticalmom]

I have been following this from the beginning and I honestly think that Nicholas was so overwhelmed and maybe depressed with all of his debt, family and day to day things that are normal for most of us. Sometimes these things are too much for a person and they flee. No matter how much a person "appears happy" on the outside it doesn't necessarily means that is how he is feeling on the inside. I do think that his family knows where he is and are helping him or else I think we would have heard alot more from them. No, I do not know him or his family but his case has intrigued me from the start....this is moo!!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Mysticalmom
I have been following this from the beginning and I honestly think that Nicholas was so overwhelmed and maybe depressed with all of his debt, family and day to day things that are normal for most of us. Sometimes these things are too much for a person and they flee. No matter how much a person "appears happy" on the outside it doesn't necessarily means that is how he is feeling on the inside. I do think that his family knows where he is and are helping him or else I think we would have heard alot more from them. No, I do not know him or his family but his case has intrigued me from the start....this is moo!! [/*]

Mysticalmom - I so hope you are right. I hope he is safe and is getting any help he may need in order to face his life and responsibility.

[imasorta]

I'm fashiongreentbags.

I just have a few things to say. I've personally been convicted of an administrative accusation for which I am totally innocent. There has been speculation, gossip, further "drama" all from people who were not there and don't know about what they speak.

I have also be exonerated of that same conviction.

For that reason, I'm also sensitive to speculation concerning Nicholas' or Christine's motives when none of us knows her or him. Even if we did, we don't live in their house.

People loved my ex-husband and were totally baffled when I left him. They didn't know that our counselors thought he was going to try to kill me or the kids when I left him. They just gossiped about my being nuts for leaving. I let them. they didn't know.

WE don't know. I've had many conversations with family members and friends. Right now, I believe Christine. I would do some things differently than she but that doesn't mean she is wrong.

I DO know about the initial financial aid requests:

I had never met Christine and I'm newish to Etsy. I'd never heard of her stores or her before she posted that her husband was missing.

Based upon some personal experience, I assumed that there would be some need for monetary donations.

I CALLED THE FAMILY AND POINTEDLY ASKED if there was a need.
I spoke to Christine's sister who told me there was.

I posted the request and, to my knowledge, Christine knew nothing at that time. She wasn't home when I called.

I was not referring to any person in particular in my blog.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I personally don't understand voicing hurtful accusations and opinions when, in reality, we are all totally ignorant of the total situation having been privy to only minute pieces of information.

If it turns out that this is a ruse, I will be gravely disappointed but not discouraged. I continue to believe in good in people and I hope I always will.

I will not regret the money I donated or the time I spent (and still do) trying to help. I did everything fully understanding that I really don't know for absolute certainty what is happening.

I would do the same thing again given the same information and I would do the same for others .

It is my personal belief (that no one else has to hold) that it is my duty as a human being to always do what I can for as many as I can. I'm an avid volunteer and take care of people in my community who have no one else. I'm not a saint or better than anyone else. I just try to live what I believe.

If anyone has questions of my motives or actions, please convo me at etsy. I'm very open to discussion.

Right now, I'm hoping that Nicholas is alive and I'd prefer to think he walked over thinking that he's dead. The latter is totally irreversible.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by imasorta
I'm fashiongreentbags.

I just have a few things to say. I've personally been convicted of an administrative accusation for which I am totally innocent. There has been speculation, gossip, further "drama" all from people who were not there and don't know about what they speak.

I have also be exonerated of that same conviction.

For that reason, I'm also sensitive to speculation concerning Nicholas' or Christine's motives when none of us knows her or him. Even if we did, we don't live in their house.

People loved my ex-husband and were totally baffled when I left him. They didn't know that our counselors thought he was going to try to kill me or the kids when I left him. They just gossiped about my being nuts for leaving. I let them. they didn't know.

WE don't know. I've had many conversations with family members and friends. Right now, I believe Christine. I would do some things differently than she but that doesn't mean she is wrong.

I DO know about the initial financial aid requests:

I had never met Christine and I'm newish to Etsy. I'd never heard of her stores or her before she posted that her husband was missing.

Based upon some personal experience, I assumed that there would be some need for monetary donations.

I CALLED THE FAMILY AND POINTEDLY ASKED if there was a need.
I spoke to Christine's sister who told me there was.

I posted the request and, to my knowledge, Christine knew nothing at that time. She wasn't home when I called.

I was not referring to any person in particular in my blog.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I personally don't understand voicing hurtful accusations and opinions when, in reality, we are all totally ignorant of the total situation having been privy to only minute pieces of information.

If it turns out that this is a ruse, I will be gravely disappointed but not discouraged. I continue to believe in good in people and I hope I always will.

I will not regret the money I donated or the time I spent (and still do) trying to help. I did everything fully understanding that I really don't know for absolute certainty what is happening.

I would do the same thing again given the same information and I would do the same for others .

It is my personal belief (that no one else has to hold) that it is my duty as a human being to always do what I can for as many as I can. I'm an avid volunteer and take care of people in my community who have no one else. I'm not a saint or better than anyone else. I just try to live what I believe.

If anyone has questions of my motives or actions, please convo me at etsy. I'm very open to discussion.

Right now, I'm hoping that Nicholas is alive and I'd prefer to think he walked over thinking that he's dead. The latter is totally irreversible. [/*]

Thank You for posting and caring. IMO it is common for good intentions regarding funding for rewards, searhes, and family support to rapidly spin out of control even with expert legal and financial advice.
The attached link is focused upon missing children but Chapter Six addresses applicable helpful hints for rewards and donations.

http://ojjdp.ncjrs.org/pubs/childismissing/contents.html

[need2no]

Interesting, I see almost 54% believe NF walked for domestic or personal reasons.

Bumping this to the top of the threads in hopes of getting 100 votes...and we are so close.

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by YellowRose49
<snip>

OR....if their financial picture was strained, perhaps they planned this, to get money from people and he will sooner or later show up. I know that this is screwy, but stranger things have happened.

....
I also find it odd that he would have met with foul play, unless she arranged it. Unless something was planned by the two of him, it DOES seem strange that, if he knew he was being searched for, he would not voluntarily show up.
I don't know. The facts are not truly known and we only have what the wife says. She is really rushing it to get her life back to normal, so it seems that she has few feelings (positive) about him, in any case. She is more concerned for her wellbeing, I suspect. IF he took off, that may be one of the reasons.

I'm Voting Other for now.

After reading several sites, links, statements, etc. and all that has and hasn't transpired in the 41 days that he was reported missing
I'm leaning towards several things you mentioned YellowRose.

After this past week's revelations I am thinking this is more and more collusion, with several players with a role in the smoke and mirrors. IMO I can also consider the possibility that some that post here are complicit in this case as well.

[KKKKKKatie]

fashiongreentbags

IMO no one is/was suspicious of your deeds after you first explained what happened. I think you are a kind and caring person.

[need2no]

Bumping this for the benefit of any new posters who haven't voted.

[n/t]

Originally posted by stopthemurde
I have not followed this case closely due to lack of information.
NF has a pregnant wife and that is always a hot and dangerous spot creating domestic problems or personal issues.

Has his wife been suspected at all for doing away with him? Kind of like Drew Peterson but not saying he ran off with another woman? I have no reason to believe that is true since I know so little of the case but it is theoretically possible.

I voted for other. He may have a mental or medical problem and he could be running away because of It. My son at age 26 became schizo-paranoid overnight, he went off and wanted to disappear. He almost managed to do that if he had not acted so weird that some person called in the paddy wagon. NF is at the age where some wierd mental or medical problems can start.
Are they checking the homeless shelters in the cities in neighboring states? With a beard and mustace and longer hair he would not be recognizable to a stranger in just a few days after he went missing.

PS my son is back to normal and has not had any "episodes" since then. He was under a lot of stress and was drinking pretty heavy when the "thing" happened [/*]

Apparently hospitals were checked but I don't recall anything being said about homeless shelters. I know many of us have suggested it. Heck, we've put a list of all the places that we felt should be checked.

I believe they did one organized search with search dogs and that's it!

Harlett from Help Find the Missing was looking for volunteers to put up flyers. It sounds like she's having a hard time getting volunteers to even do that! The question is WHY? Why aren't his family, friends, coworkers, neighbours doing more?

[Sooner_Fan97]

I have given this a lot of thought over the weekend. This is MY OPINION ONLY. The car jumping around got me thinking..a crook wouldn't bother to move the car to different parking places. Therefore, I think Nicholas did leave this office and was seen driving away. I think he drove around a bit, hence the sightings, then he returned to his office and parked the car several blocks away so as not the be noticed. He went into the office and perhaps retrieved important information...don't know specifics, maybe client account info, maybe bank account #'s or key codes. Then had an acomplice (don't know if it was his dad or another woman who he told to meet him at the condos. He got into the car with (whoever) drive to the airport and was long gone before he was ever reported missing. To date, the info hasn't been accessed so there truly is no crime YET. It does seem rather odd that his employer would hire a PI without the knowledge or approval of the family, unless they had good reason. (stolen documents...I don't know. I think he will lay low til this has blown over and plans to access acounts and funds. At this point, I tend to believe Christine did not know of this, although I could be wrong. As I said THIS IS MY OPIN ONLY

[Sooner_Fan97]

Originally posted by stopthemurde


has anybody checked if he took a flight?
an employer can hire a PI without the family's approval or knowledge... but to me that would flag they have some reason other than altruisim... I think if the employer suspects he did something wrong to them, then they should let the wife know what they are suspicious of, since that could be a reason he walked
certainly an odd case. has there be any rumors he was maybe gay? or bi? [/*] It seems like I remember someone said they were going to check flights, to be honest, I have had a sick dog this weekend and kinda lost track. I'll see if I can go back and find it.

[Brooke]

I believe that Nicholas walked away from his family. I keep thinking back to the Beth Smith ( I think that was her name IIRC) disappearance and how she was found months later to have just walked away from her family. I hope and pray he is safe somewhere, although it is very crummy to walk away and leave your whole family hurting and looking for answers and closure.

JMHO

[nanabillie]

This is totally a guess. It has stayed with me since I heard CF say, "He's not a coward! He wouldn't just leave." Something to that affect. That just seemed strange to me. I have always wondered it that was a message to him in case he was listening.
Second thing. His cell phone being dead. My son, hubby and I all have cell phones, car chargers and house chargers. They are very inexpensive and I can't imagine a business man, especially one with a pregnant wife", not making sure he was able to talk with her at any time. Most business men also have their cell phone as a communication for cliants and customers. If it was a big office seems that someone would have a charger that would fit his phone. The lap top missing bothers me, but I go back and forth about why. If he was abducted, murdered, whatever, seems they whould have found some evidence; and his laptop.
Was his laptop charged? Did he have a car charger for it? Was it found? Lots of questions. Kinda think he just walked. Maybe had mentioned it in the past to Christine and that day just seemed to be the right one. ??JMO