March 6th - 3/25

[Jpanda]

Just thought I'd start a new thread for today's press conference and following discussion. I'll ask CW to sticky it....

Hoping for some good news and that he is behind bars!!

[Maelstrom5]

Good Move Jpanda,

Hopefully there will be a lot to discuss.

[jace]

Is the press conference going on now?

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by jace
Is the press conference going on now? [/*]

No, it is scheduled to start at 10:30 a.m. PST. It is 9:22 there now, so a little over an hour....

And thanks guys - This was actually my very first time starting a new thread - baby's growing up! :D

[Brattnt]

I sure hope this is him!....

[SameHere1]

Fox News just reported that the press conference will start in about 30 minutes.

They said new info will be given - that the perp is younger than previously thought and would blend in well in the environment.

I'm paraphrasing - will wait for the PC. Nothing was said about anyone being arrested or in custody.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by SameHere1
Fox News just reported that the press conference will start in about 30 minutes.

They said new info will be given - that the perp is younger than previously thought and would blend in well in the environment.

I'm paraphrasing - will wait for the PC. Nothing was said about anyone being arrested or in custody. [/*]

Wow!! I know some of us were speculating that he could at the very least LOOK younger than what they originally first thought.

No wonder they are holding a press release - if he is younger, that is a HUGE development that all college-aged females in Reno should be aware of. They could have felt safer around someone their own age these last couple months, but they need to know to be aware of EVERYONE.

I'm trying to find a live link for the press conference but can't find anything yet - where are you butterfly??? Doesn't your job know you have more important things to do right now?? :D

JMO

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Jpanda


Wow!! I know some of us were speculating that he could at the very least LOOK younger than what they originally first thought.

No wonder they are holding a press release - if he is younger, that is a HUGE development that all college-aged females in Reno should be aware of. They could have felt safer around someone their own age these last couple months, but they need to know to be aware of EVERYONE.

I'm trying to find a live link for the press conference but can't find anything yet - where are you butterfly??? Doesn't your job know you have more important things to do right now?? :D

JMO [/*]

The waiting is awful!!

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I'm trying to find a live link for the press conference but can't find anything yet - where are you butterfly??? Doesn't your job know you have more important things to do right now?? :D

JMO [/*]

I know! :D

Well I am here now so I will let you know as soon as we hear anything... I wish we at least had a TV at work. I cannnot find a place to hear it live online or on the radio. If anyone else finds on please let me know.

[HarlettOhara]

We have found some interesting information... I will give you a link instead of moving it all here.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=146929#post146929

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by butterfly28


I know! :D

Well I am here now so I will let you know as soon as we hear anything... I wish we at least had a TV at work. I cannnot find a place to hear it live online or on the radio. If anyone else finds on please let me know. [/*]

I found it!!!

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7975639

I can't listen though cause I'm at work!!

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara
We have found some interesting information... I will give you a link instead of moving it all here.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=146929#post146929 [/*]

Thanks!! Someone posted that earlier today on the last thread.....I'm hoping it's true!!

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I found it!!!

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7975639

I can't listen though cause I'm at work!! [/*]

Thanks for the link! I am trying to hear but the sound quality is very poor....

[ruby]

I can't listen either, at work.

Whoever gets the first info, start posting away :) Please and Thanks.

[butterfly28]

Well it is over now. I only heard something about another pair of underwear with black checkers. Was anyone able to hear it?
Hopefully our local paper or news stations will update with new info quickly. I also think the Reno PD site is supposed to update.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28


Thanks for the link! I am trying to hear but the sound quality is very poor.... [/*]

I came in in the middle of it - thank you for the link! No arrest :( All I heard was that at one time, he was in possession of the pink panther underwear, another pair with his and Brianna's DNA on it AND underwear belonging to the owner of the Mackay Court resident. I missed the rest!

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28
Well it is over now. I only heard something about another pair of underwear with black checkers. Was anyone able to hear it?
Hopefully our local paper or news stations will update with new info quickly. I also think the Reno PD site is supposed to update. [/*]

All I caught was that he was also in possession of underwear belonging to the owner of the residence and a pair with his and Brianna's DNA--so it sounds like he had been in that residence before, stealing undies IMO

[butterfly28]

The owner of the Mackay residence or one of the girls who rented the house? (Bri's friends?)

[Maelstrom5]

Hi All I just caught the middle of the press conference but it sounded like two pairs of panties were found at the crime scene and they were entwined. The second pair was pink and had the perps DNA along with Brianna’s on it.

I could well be wrong because I got the link too late but thats what it sounded like.

[SameHere1]

Darn it! I was hoping Fox would carry it live! Nope - there is breaking news on yet another college student - beautiful young woman - shot and killed yesterday - they are looking for her car.

Student body President at the University of North Carolina. They're trying to see if there is a link between this and the Auburn student..

Man, this is just so sick.

[butterfly28]

So the pink panther under did not have the perps DNA but the other pair did. That explains why there was the mix-up...

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28
The owner of the Mackay residence or one of the girls who rented the house? (Bri's friends?) [/*]

She said he had the undies of the owner of the residence, but maybe she meant KT?

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by mmt
So I guess the guy on Craigslist was wrong? Or is he trying to rile things up? Or Le not giving all information? [/*]

Yep, looks like it was just a nasty rumor he was starting - shame on him!

[ruby]

Thanks for the update. Not much of a press conference!

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by ruby
Thanks for the update. Not much of a press conference! [/*]

It wasn't :(

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by ruby
Thanks for the update. Not much of a press conference! [/*]

Maybe they did it just to clarify the incorrect information given about the underwear?

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by ruby
Thanks for the update. Not much of a press conference! [/*]

Uggghhh, it certainly wasn't!! Did they say anything about him being younger than what they originally thought? Anything else?

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Jpanda


Uggghhh, it certainly wasn't!! Did they say anything about him being younger than what they originally thought? Anything else? [/*]

I keep trying to find the new info on our local sites but they have not been updated yet. Very frustrating!!

[butterfly28]

http://www.cityofreno.com/index.aspx?recordid=1334&page=1421

Link to the website with new details

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by butterfly28
http://www.cityofreno.com/index.aspx?recordid=1334&page=1421

Link to the website with new details [/*]

Thanks for that link!! So am I understanding this correctly? The second pair of underwear that was intertwined with the pink panther pair is either KT's or her roommate's? Is that right?
Oh my god, how scary!

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Jpanda


Thanks for that link!! So am I understanding this correctly? The second pair of underwear that was intertwined with the pink panther pair is either KT's or her roommate's? Is that right?
Oh my god, how scary! [/*]

That is what I take it to mean as well. So he was in there previously? Maybe a friend of one of the roommates? That would also explain how this person knew the 2 male roommates were out of town that weekend.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Jpanda


Thanks for that link!! So am I understanding this correctly? The second pair of underwear that was intertwined with the pink panther pair is either KT's or her roommate's? Is that right?
Oh my god, how scary! [/*]

Brianna's DNA is on it too, I don't get it - was she wearing someone else's underwear, like K.T.'s?

Yes, a bummer about the PC, I really think they had to do it just to explain the DNA mix-up.

[SameHere1]

Thank you for the link about the PC.

I swear they said more about it on Fox News re: younger than previously thought - would blend in - etc., etc....

WTH is up with that? Can Fox or any news source get things right? They just spew words out there and then don't follow up.

I'll keep listening though - putz that I am!!

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by omsk99


Brianna's DNA is on it too, I don't get it - was she wearing someone else's underwear, like K.T.'s?

Yes, a bummer about the PC, I really think they had to do it just to explain the DNA mix-up. [/*]

I was confused as to why her DNA was on there as well but if the underwear just touched her couldn't her DNA be on there?

I agree about the PC...

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Jpanda


Thanks for that link!! So am I understanding this correctly? The second pair of underwear that was intertwined with the pink panther pair is either KT's or her roommate's? Is that right?
Oh my god, how scary! [/*]


That’s what it sounds like. It sounds like KT's or Melissa’s underwear were taken and at one point Brianna came into contact with them and left her DNA. This does not necessarily mean she was wearing them, they may have been forced in to her mouth to keep her from screaming.

[osubbfan]

I'm sorry but why the heck did they announce this press conference 2 days ago to release this information? It does not seem that this was set up to help the public gain a better understanding of this perp but, instead to address any negative media LE may have gotten due to the DNA screw-up. Quite self-serving and misleading. I would think the purpose of releasing information about evidence is to educate the public so they can be of more help in identifying this killer. Maybe I'm not getting it but how does this PC address that? They know whose panties and whose DNA already. Sorry to rant but IMO they set this up as important, but important to whom??? I was hoping for some good news, something more about this guy that will enable someone to finally recognize him...these panties really tell us nothing more than we already knew. Nothing like waiting 2 days to have someone waste your time and attention. :flamemad:

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by butterfly28


That is what I take it to mean as well. So he was in there previously? Maybe a friend of one of the roommates? That would also explain how this person knew the 2 male roommates were out of town that weekend. [/*]

Oh my god you might be right....that makes sense, IMO.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by stopthemurde
dissapointment - nothing really big to make us wait this long... wierd news conf.

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7976251

Oh well, I am just really disturbed by the case and by the lack of progress. Have they interviewed everyone in the neighborhood and traces anyone who moved out withing the last year?

Justice delayed :mad: [/*]

We all feel the frustration but I feel confident in our local LE (although I know that others on this board may not). I have seen them work cases before and I cannot tell you how dedicated they are. A lot of these officers on Bri's case are putting in well over 80 hour work weeks since this has happened putting this before anything in their own lives (although this is their job and should be the case). I know I may be in the minorty here but we have an excellent police department and I strongly feel they will solve this case.

I did hear something on the PC about receiving over 2,500 leads so they are not just sitting around waiting for something to fall in their laps- they are chasing down leads. I pray something will come of it quickly!

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by butterfly28


We all feel the frustration but I feel confident in our local LE (although I know that others on this board may not). I have seen them work cases before and I cannot tell you how dedicated they are. A lot of these officers on Bri's case are putting in well over 80 hour work weeks since this has happened putting this before anything in their own lives (although this is their job and should be the case). I know I may be in the minorty here but we have an excellent police department and I strongly feel they will solve this case.

I did hear something on the PC about receiving over 2,500 leads so they are not just sitting around waiting for something to fall in their laps- they are chasing down leads. I pray something will come of it quickly! [/*]

I wasn't too fond of the press conference, but I have faith in LE too. (I think only cause my family is filled with cops!)

JMO

[butterfly28]

A couple new links regarding the extremely informative PC :tongue:

More underwear found near Denison body

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080306/NEWS18/80306024&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews


Two pair of panties focus in Reno's serial rapist case

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7976251


Two Pair of Panties Focus in Reno's Serial Rapist Case

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/16341236.html

[omsk99]

Originally posted by stopthemurde
dissapointment - nothing really big to make us wait this long... wierd news conf.

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7976251

Reno Police Detective Commander Leigha Struffert said laboratory analysis has confirmed the pink women's underwear contain the DNA of the murder suspect, Brianna Denison and the owner of the underwear who was a resident of the Mackay Court residence from which Denison was abducted on January 20.

What I find odd that the undies have one of the other girl's DNA AND Brianna's. How could that be... I doubt Bri would wear someone else's dirty undies

I still think it is very suspicious that the perp managed to get Bri without waking up the dog, not disturbing enything. How did his blood end up on the pillow? (Thank God it d
I have a feeling that the resident know this perp and are not aware of him. How could he get the undies and where did that pink panther undies come from? The PP black thong is so distinct anyone would remember owning them or their gf/wife having them.

It really bothers me too that there is male DNA on the PP black thongs. Is it possible there are two guys involved in the rape kidnap thing? It is not easy to kidnap and keep a girl quiet and drag her to a car...

Oh well, I am just really disturbed by the case and by the lack of progress. Have they interviewed everyone in the neighborhood and traces anyone who moved out withing the last year?

Justice delayed :mad: [/*]


I believe the blood on the pillow was Brianna's, but there was other evidence with his DNA.

I am puzzled about the other girl's and Brianna's DNA on the same underwear, maybe the other person touched it or something like that. Could that be possible? :shrug:

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5



That’s what it sounds like. It sounds like KT's or Melissa’s underwear were taken and at one point Brianna came into contact with them and left her DNA. This does not necessarily mean she was wearing them, they may have been forced in to her mouth to keep her from screaming. [/*]

Another possibility he took it when he took Brianna, maybe there was a laundry basket there...

[honibugs]

http://media.www.diamondbackonline.com/media/storage/paper873/news/2008/03/04/News/City-cuddler.Assaults.Two.Women-3249619.shtml

I didn't know where else to post this. I am hoping that if law enforcement is reading this message board, they can check out some of the similarities between Bri's perpetrator and crimes that are outlined in this report. Maybe compare the Reno suspects DNA to the perpetrator that raped the U of MD student.

[Maelstrom5]

This PC may not seem to have advanced the case much, but then again it might.

Think, If you are the owner of the black thong and you know it could be yours would you call the police if you felt it was going to get your BF or husband in trouble? Especially if you KNEW he could not be the perpetrator because he was with you on the night in question. How many times have we all said a alibi from a loved-one is suspect.

Now that it has been reinforced that the male DNA on the thong is not from the person who took Brianna the owner may come forward.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by omsk99



I believe the blood on the pillow was Brianna's, but there was other evidence with his DNA.

I am puzzled about the other girl's and Brianna's DNA on the same underwear, maybe the other person touched it or something like that. Could that be possible? :shrug: [/*]

Right, the blood (and mucus) was Bri's. LE only said the perp had left DNA but they were not specific.

[murdershewrote]

this perp could have taken the roommie's underwear from the dirty laundry, and then made Brianna wear it when he had sex with her., or something along those lines. I'd like to hear what the roommate has to say about all this...where she kept her dirty laundry, in her room?

Or it's somebody who's been in their house before, at a party or something, and took the panties then.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
This PC may not seem to have advanced the case much, but then again it might.

Think, If you are the owner of the black thong and you know it could be yours would you call the police if you felt it was going to get your BF or husband in trouble? Especially if you KNEW he could not be the perpetrator because he was with you on the night in question. How many times have we all said a alibi from a loved-one is suspect.

Now that it has been reinforced that the male DNA on the thong is not from the person who took Brianna the owner may come forward. [/*]

You always have such good observations Maelstrom!! Very good point!

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by murdershewrote
respectfully snipped

I'd like to hear what the roommate has to say about all this...where she kept her dirty laundry, in her room?

Or it's somebody who's been in their house before, at a party or something, and took the panties then. [/*]

I know, I wish KT would do another interview.....but I don't think I would if I were her either.....poor thing must be TERRIFIED. I can't even imagine.

So let's go with the possibility that Brianna knew the attacker, for a second. That would explain the dog not barking, the roommates not hearing any noise, how he could get access to another roommate's underwear, etc. And like Butterfly pointed out, maybe that's how he knew the males wouldn't be there.

JMO

[chelle719]

I know that all information cannot be released, especially in a cause like this but it's all very frustrating to me. They release that a pair of underwear from either KT or Jessica was found with Bri, but they don't give any insight on when it was taken, how it might have been taken ect. This could be a huge break for them in that it might mean the perp KNOWS these girls, has access to their house/belongings and would explain pretty much everything on the night of (dog not barking, knowing males were gone, knowing door would be unlocked, knowing the location of a second door in the kitchen)

This really makes me re think the case. I'm starting to believe that maybe this kidnap was planned and the perp was completely prepared for that night.

This really just keeps getting scarier.

[osubbfan]

I'm happy to hear that those of you who live in or near Reno still have confidence. However, I'm still at a loss as to how this information will help the public. This is like the umpteenth time they have asked the owner of the thong to come forward. I don't think knowing another pair of underwear was there will help in this effort. This woman, if she is aware of this situation, has had weeks of thinking it was the perp's DNA on the panties. She would have had no reason to think she would implicate her significant other....whose DNA wouldn't necessarily be expected to be on her underwear. Besides, if she knows her SO was with her then she would know there could not be a DNA match with the crimes. The fact that they keep asking her to come forward isn't an encouraging sign to me. I think if she was going to come forward it would have happened by now. I really hope they aren't relying on her to break this case. Maybe I'm just being grouchy because I was hoping for signs of progress, but I'm beginning to doubt that they will catch him with the information they presently have. He may have to provide new evidence, meaning new crime, in order for them to find him. How tragic that would be.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by stopthemurde


I do not think just touching a fabric like picking up undies and moving them somewhere would leave enough DNA, just because we wash our hands so much I think there is less loose skin cells on the hands and the skin on my hands is different from other skin.

I too think the perp took these panties way before the kidnap... and that is why the LE had kept this quiet while they checked out whose panties they were? I wonder if they know when the panties were taken? I have like 6 pair of pinks/whites/yeallow undies so I could never tell when any of them went missing. Somehow a pair or two ends up missing though... but I doubt it's a perp stealing them...

Someone mentioned the undies could have been used to gag Bri during kidnap...that sure would leave her DNA
The perp could not count on finding something inside the home to gag the victim in the dark... he had to bring in whatever he used to gag her (tape, etc). He also most likely used tie straps or some rope to bind hands and feet really quickly (handcuffs would make a lot of noise).

So how did the perp get these undies, I sure would like to know?? [/*]

I tend to think the kidnapping was not premeditated, but was a crime of opportunity - he was walking by, saw Brianna through the glass door, so that she was alone and the door happened to be unlocked. Of course, it could be that he came prepared, I hope we will find out eventually how and what happened.

[BBkinkiad]

Good Afternoon Everyone,

I am also a local and have great respect for our LE and believe that they are capable and dedicated. However, I am also puzzled by this press conference. I got to thinking that maybe they are doing something very deliberate to draw the perp. out. Perhaps that is why the set the press conference up the way they did. In my opinion, the panties were probably left by the perpetrator as a message for LE. The mis-information and press conference were all about the panties.

Maybe I am just reaching...

Time will tell.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by BBkinkiad
Good Afternoon Everyone,

I am also a local and have great respect for our LE and believe that they are capable and dedicated. However, I am also puzzled by this press conference. I got to thinking that maybe they are doing something very deliberate to draw the perp. out. Perhaps that is why the set the press conference up the way they did. In my opinion, the panties were probably left by the perpetrator as a message for LE. The mis-information and press conference were all about the panties.

Maybe I am just reaching...

Time will tell. [/*]

Yes, that press conference was strange. So little information was released (new at least). But you are correct in that maybe they are doing things to draw the perp out... sure it's a reach but anything is possible. Let's keep our fingers crossed and stay safe BBKinkiad!!

[BBkinkiad]

Originally posted by chelle719
snipped

This really makes me re think the case. I'm starting to believe that maybe this kidnap was planned and the perp was completely prepared for that night.

This really just keeps getting scarier. [/*]

I keep going back and forth on this theory. The first attacks definitely seemed like the victims were chosen based on opportunity. However, this time we have some indications that the perp was familiar with this household. My questions are:

Did the guy know that the door was never locked or did he plan to break in and found it was not necessary?

How/When did he get the housemates panties?

Did he know the male housemates were gone?

Really, in my mind, it very possible that he had cased this house in advance.

[Politigal]

Originally posted by BBkinkiad


I keep going back and forth on this theory. The first attacks definitely seemed like the victims were chosen based on opportunity. However, this time we have some indications that the perp was familiar with this household. My questions are:

Did the guy know that the door was never locked or did he plan to break in and found it was not necessary?

How/When did he get the housemates panties?

Did he know the male housemates were gone?

Really, in my mind, it very possible that he had cased this house in advance. [/*]

The home is a rental ....I think it's possible he previously lived there.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Politigal


The home is a rental ....I think it's possible he previously lived there. [/*]

I wouldn't rule it out. LE should take a look at previous tenants.

Also, he may not have even known that there were two male roommates, so he wouldn't know they were gone.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by omsk99


I wouldn't rule it out. LE should take a look at previous tenants.

Also, he may not have even known that there were two male roommates, so he wouldn't know they were gone. [/*]

Anything's possible. I can't decide if he's just EXTREMELY lucky, or if he has some sort of insider knowledge.

[wandering]

Originally posted by BBkinkiad


I keep going back and forth on this theory. The first attacks definitely seemed like the victims were chosen based on opportunity. However, this time we have some indications that the perp was familiar with this household. My questions are:

Did the guy know that the door was never locked or did he plan to break in and found it was not necessary?

How/When did he get the housemates panties?

Did he know the male housemates were gone?

Really, in my mind, it very possible that he had cased this house in advance. [/*]It was 4:30 AM, I think he was a peeping tom. He tried the door and it opened. Bri was text-messaging just before that. She was abducted off the couch. We know that.

Perhaps the girls were messy, and the panties were laying around on the floor.

I'm wondering where the bear is that Bri had. Did he give it to a kid? Where the heck are people who might have noticed someone of that description in their life, with perhaps a child who was the recipient of that bear?

:confused:

[ruby]

Bri's mom is on Dr. Phil tomorrow, maybe she'll shed some light on things....:shrug:

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5



That’s what it sounds like. It sounds like KT's or Melissa’s underwear were taken and at one point Brianna came into contact with them and left her DNA. This does not necessarily mean she was wearing them, they may have been forced in to her mouth to keep her from screaming. [/*]

I wonder if he was already in the house when they got home and had stolen the undies? He was either already in the house or had been in the house before. Maybe he was in the house stealing undies when they came home and he had to hide until they went to bed and then grabbed Bri?

[osubbfan]

I tend to think he found the panties when he went in after Bri. I know some people thought maybe he was already in the home when the girls came home. I have no idea how long the one girl was there before Bri and her friend came home, or if she was behind a locked door. That would have given him time to snoop around and find the underwear. I'm not sure I buy it but it is worth consideration.

I wonder if the fact the underwear was intertwined might indicate he used it to bind or strangle Bri.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28
A couple new links regarding the extremely informative PC :tongue:

More underwear found near Denison body

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080306/NEWS18/80306024&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews


Two pair of panties focus in Reno's serial rapist case

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7976251


Two Pair of Panties Focus in Reno's Serial Rapist Case

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/16341236.html [/*]

This part is incredibly confusing - if BOTH pairs came from the house, why is neither of the other girls claiming the Pink Panther undies??? Or, did they come from one of the male roomie's rooms, and the other girls had never seen them before?

Struffert says the evidence found in the field where Denison's body was discovered last month is critical to the investigation. Police believe both pairs may have been taken from the home where Denison last was seen when she was abducted Jan. 20 on the edge of the campus of the University of Nevada, Reno.

[ruby]

Originally posted by osubbfan
I tend to think he found the panties when he went in after Bri. I know some people thought maybe he was already in the home when the girls came home. I have no idea how long the one girl was there before Bri and her friend came home, or if she was behind a locked door. That would have given him time to snoop around and find the underwear. I'm not sure I buy it but it is worth consideration.

I wonder if the fact the underwear was intertwined might indicate he used it to bind or strangle Bri. [/*]

I tend to agree with you. I think he found the panties on the ground and used them to choke her with, and yes since the panties were intertwined makes me think they were used as a ligature as well. Horrific. I dunno...the whole thing doesn't make sense. I was really getting my hopes up for some good information today. Her poor family. :rose: Reno women esp. co-eds are probably so scared right now....

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rosieo


This part is incredibly confusing - if BOTH pairs came from the house, why is neither of the other girls claiming the Pink Panther undies??? Or, did they come from one of the male roomie's rooms, and the other girls had never seen them before?

Struffert says the evidence found in the field where Denison's body was discovered last month is critical to the investigation. Police believe both pairs may have been taken from the home where Denison last was seen when she was abducted Jan. 20 on the edge of the campus of the University of Nevada, Reno. [/*]

This is indeed so confusing and frustrating! Why all of the sudden do they think BOTH pairs came from the house, if no one claims the black pair, and I find it highly improbable he would have found that pair in the guys' rooms. Surely LE would have talked to their girl-friends, female friends by now.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99


This is indeed so confusing and frustrating! Why all of the sudden do they think BOTH pairs came from the house, if no one claims the black pair, and I find it highly improbable he would have found that pair in the guys' rooms. Surely LE would have talked to their girl-friends, female friends by now. [/*]

That's what's totally puzzling me -and how they almost made it a point to say "there are 2 female and 2 male roommates in the house, all have been question and none are a suspect." I don't know - there's just something "off" here and I'm not sure what it could be. Did one of the roomies maybe know this guy?

[wandering]

Where is Bri's bear? :confused:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by murdershewrote
this perp could have taken the roommie's underwear from the dirty laundry, and then made Brianna wear it when he had sex with her., or something along those lines. I'd like to hear what the roommate has to say about all this...where she kept her dirty laundry, in her room?

Or it's somebody who's been in their house before, at a party or something, and took the panties then. [/*]
Good evening :seeya: I'm just getting caught up here, but I was wondering if it's possible he was in their house when they all were out that evening and just lurking nearby when they got home until they went to bed?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by wandering
Where is Bri's bear? :confused: [/*]
Just another question but has it ever been revealed if Brianna was clothed or not when she was found? If not, then maybe the perp disposed of the bear and clothes in the trash? That would also make me think the intertwined panties were used as a ligature.

[Kelly3820]

I have always felt that the perp watched the house. I believe that he was interested in the roommate that wasn't there that night. Not the one with the dog. I think it surprised him to find Brianna on the couch. I think that he had been in the house before and knew he could move about the house with the dog inside. He perhaps had been collecting underwear on his house visits. IMO Just a hunch I have had for awhile.

[JanDoe]

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has anyone heard that they are close to an arrest?

is anyone here?

[ruby]

Originally posted by sunstar

Just another question but has it ever been revealed if Brianna was clothed or not when she was found? If not, then maybe the perp disposed of the bear and clothes in the trash? That would also make me think the intertwined panties were used as a ligature. [/*]

I can't confirm with a link, but I remember a link a week or so ago, stating she was clothed :shrug: so hard to find the story though. I could be mistaken...

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Kelly3820
I have always felt that the perp watched the house. I believe that he was interested in the roommate that wasn't there that night. Not the one with the dog. I think it surprised him to find Brianna on the couch. I think that he had been in the house before and knew he could move about the house with the dog inside. He perhaps had been collecting underwear on his house visits. IMO Just a hunch I have had for awhile. [/*]

Definite possibilty - maybe he was angry that the roommate wasn't there, angry enough to kill Brianna, for not being the one he was hoping to get? Angry enough to strangle her with the roomie's undies for not being her? far out there, maybe, but who knows how these guys think. He may have been stealing/sniffing the roomie's undies for some time and had his heart set on raping her.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I wonder if he was already in the house when they got home and had stolen the undies? He was either already in the house or had been in the house before. Maybe he was in the house stealing undies when they came home and he had to hide until they went to bed and then grabbed Bri? [/*]

Such a terrifying thought!!

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Rosieo


This part is incredibly confusing - if BOTH pairs came from the house, why is neither of the other girls claiming the Pink Panther undies??? Or, did they come from one of the male roomie's rooms, and the other girls had never seen them before?

Struffert says the evidence found in the field where Denison's body was discovered last month is critical to the investigation. Police believe both pairs may have been taken from the home where Denison last was seen when she was abducted Jan. 20 on the edge of the campus of the University of Nevada, Reno. [/*]

Wait... I missed that part! Which story is it in? I can't find it but the second link is no longer working. Was it in that article?

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by sunstar

Just another question but has it ever been revealed if Brianna was clothed or not when she was found? If not, then maybe the perp disposed of the bear and clothes in the trash? That would also make me think the intertwined panties were used as a ligature. [/*]

They have not released any details about how she was found so yes, the bear could be with clothes.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28


Wait... I missed that part! Which story is it in? I can't find it but the second link is no longer working. Was it in that article? [/*]

I c/p'd that part from this link posted earlier today - but now when I go to the think, it says something completely different - weird! I directly c/p'd it -maybe they gave out false info, caught it and changed the article - it distinctly said they believe both pairs of undies came from that home - but now it doesn't say that at all!

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/16341236.html

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I c/p'd that part from this link posted earlier today - but now when I go to the think, it says something completely different - weird! I directly c/p'd it -maybe they gave out false info, caught it and changed the article - it distinctly said they believe both pairs of undies came from that home - but now it doesn't say that at all!

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/16341236.html [/*]

Oh maybe that is what happened.... strange!! That would really be baffling for both to be from that residence.

[wandering]

Three DNAs on the second pair of underwear, per Greta.

Brianna's, one of the other girls' in the house, and the perp's DNA. :eek:

[wandering]

Too weird...:chicken:

[butterfly28]

I am sure LE has the suspects DNA as they have said.

[Kelly3820]

The perp has not done anything since Brianna. But a serial perp like I believe he is he is out there watching his next victims. I just wonder if the urge will be to great and he will strike again. I would like to hear a profiler tell us what the perp would be doing if he can't strike but the urge is building in him. What I mean what would the signs be that he would be giving off?

[osubbfan]

Have they ever said where they believe Bri was killed? That information is usually released pretty early in the investigation, especially if they believe the victim was killed elsewhere and then the body dumped at another location. The field where she was left appears too exposed for him to have risked spending too much time there so I have assumed she was killed someplace else, likely his vehicle. I also have to wonder why he killed Bri when he had taken the previous victim home. Was it an accident or is he escalating? Either way it makes him more dangerous.

The underwear is likely a message, otherwise why risk leaving evidence? This indicates a degree of confidence that the police can't catch him....maybe that was his intended message? If so, I'm surprised he hasn't attempted to strike again to prove his point. This is a very dangerous man...that is something about him we don't have to speculate on, he's made that very clear to everyone.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by swc


That is a determination that is impossible to be made.......

determining intent of male DNA found on panties. [/*]

Good morning SWC

With all due respect I think you are partially wrong.

You are right in that we can not determine why that male DNA was found on the thong(although I think we can make a good guess)

But unless you are suggesting that the man whose DNA was found on the pink panties, at the house, on the December rape victim, and the condoms at the November assault, had help from the man whose DNA was found on the thong, then I think we can rule him out as having been involved in Brianna abduction.

That was the point I was trying to make. That now, minus the fear that this man may get in trouble, the woman who owned them may come forward.

[wandering]

Originally posted by swc


Sorry for the confusion in my post, I should have written What's next, a third pair of panties with a note inside? (the ....? represented the What's next?)


Let's just say I have my doubts about all this panty stuff because of the way LE has released the info with their PR's. [/*]OK, I thought I missed something. ;)

[Jpanda]

Has the Dr. Phil show with Bri's mom been on yet? I think it's supposed to air today. If someone watches it, can you please post what it was about? TIA!!

[ruby]

Originally posted by Jpanda
Has the Dr. Phil show with Bri's mom been on yet? I think it's supposed to air today. If someone watches it, can you please post what it was about? TIA!! [/*]

Im going to watch it when i get home at 5....but we're expecting snow, so i may be delayed :(

[omsk99]

Per today's article, LE still believe both pairs of underwear case from the house, that's what confuses me - what makes them think so, if they don't know who the black thong belongs to and both DNA's on it are unknown? :shrug:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/16378041.html

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by omsk99
Per today's article, LE still believe both pairs of underwear case from the house, that's what confuses me - what makes them think so, if they don't know who the black thong belongs to and both DNA's on it are unknown? :shrug:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/16378041.html [/*]

I know....I keep trying to think WHY they would think that, if no one from the house's DNA was on it. And if they think it came from that home, then why do they think it is so important in finding this guy? I just can't shake the feeling that this guy knew Bri, or knows someone from that house. Why else would they be so convinced that that pair of underwear, which they believe came from that house, could lead them to the killer. :shrug:

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I know....I keep trying to think WHY they would think that, if no one from the house's DNA was on it. And if they think it came from that home, then why do they think it is so important in finding this guy? I just can't shake the feeling that this guy knew Bri, or knows someone from that house. Why else would they be so convinced that that pair of underwear, which they believe came from that house, could lead them to the killer. :shrug: [/*]

Well at least we know you were not imaging things yesteday. :tongue: JK you were not the only one who saw that.
I too wonder what would make them think they might have been from the same home. What is causing them to think this may be the case? Does anyone have any ideas?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I know....I keep trying to think WHY they would think that, if no one from the house's DNA was on it. And if they think it came from that home, then why do they think it is so important in finding this guy? I just can't shake the feeling that this guy knew Bri, or knows someone from that house. Why else would they be so convinced that that pair of underwear, which they believe came from that house, could lead them to the killer. :shrug: [/*]

I think because it was entwined with the underwear with Brianna's and the suspect's DNA, so they are pretty sure that pair is connected.

[omsk99]

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Rumors continue to circulate that there has been an arrest in the Brianna Denison kidnap and murder case and the Reno Police Department said Thursday that is not true.

Police said the investigation is on-going and anyone with information about the case is asked to call Secret Witness at 322-4900 or the special Brianna Denison tip line at 745-3521.

On its new site dedicated to the Denison case, police issued a statement saying the there has been no arrest and as soon as there has been arrest there will be a public announcement.

“Rumors and speculation often circulate, sometimes more than once, in high-profile cases such as this,” the statement said. “Reno Police ask that you disregard rumor and speculation and check back on this website for the facts that are released in this investigation.”

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080307/NEWS18/80307012&oaso=news.rgj.com

[Maelstrom5]

There is nothing on the City of Reno web-site to suggest that they feel the black thong came from the house.

Just that they know the pink pair of underwear came from there.

"Reno Police Detective Commander Leigha Struffert said laboratory analysis has confirmed the pink women’s underwear contain the DNA of the murder suspect, Brianna Denison and the owner of the underwear who was a resident of the Mackay Court residence from which Denison was abducted on January 20."


Struffert said the pink underwear was found at the scene intertwined with a pair of distinctive black women’s underwear described as having the caricatures of the head of the “Pink Panther” and pink hearts on a black cotton field. The black underwear contains the DNA of an unknown male and an unknown female. “I encourage anyone who is missing a similar pair of underwear to contact the Reno Police Department’s 24-hour tip line at (775) 745-3521,” Struffert said. “The suspect in this case is known by someone; someone with whom they have had a long or short term relationship, or even a husband or other relative. We need to know under what circumstances the black underwear was lost and when.”

They are still hoping the person who is missing the black "Pink Panther" underwear will call them.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by omsk99


I think because it was entwined with the underwear with Brianna's and the suspect's DNA, so they are pretty sure that pair is connected. [/*]

Connected yes but that does not mean they were from the same residence. They said the underwear MIGHT have come from the same place so I guess they are not sure but what leads them to think this? I just feel they have something else leading them to believe this because if none of the roommates have seen the underwear I think it would be safer to assume they were not from the residence.

It seems the guy has a thing for underwear so I would not be surprised if he had them before taking Bri as part of some collection. Although they might believe he abducted her and killed right before before leaving her in S. Meadows (all in the same night most likely) so he would have had to have the underwear with him when he took her.... :shrug:

[wandering]

The thing is, they have had this info since they found Brianna's body. They are no closer to catching this perp than they were before. :chicken:

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
There is nothing on the City of Reno web-site to suggest that they feel the black thong came from the house.

Just that they know the pink pair of underwear came from there.
[/*]

So this could be misinformation. That makes more sense.

[omsk99]

This link contains links to several sites related/dedicated to Brianna:

http://feministinvegas.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/weekly-round-up-brianna-denison/

[mxma30]

is it possible that the pink underwear belonged to bri? she was there more than one day so i would think she brought more than one pair.

[butterfly28]

AMW, Reno police make Denison video

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080307/NEWS18/80307023

"The Brianna Denison case will have a third appearance on the television show "America's Most Wanted" on Saturday night."

[omsk99]

Originally posted by mxma30
is it possible that the pink underwear belonged to bri? she was there more than one day so i would think she brought more than one pair. [/*]

Possible, but the girls would have known it's not theirs, I think. How did one of her friend's DNA got on it, though? Could it be that girl's BF or someone she had sex with? :eek:

[omsk99]

Ok, media just gets more and more confused, and there is more misreporting. Some articles say the second (pink) pair of underwear had DNA of Brianna, the killer and a woman (not a girl?) who lived (not lives?) at the house. This article below states Brianna LIVED with that woman/girl :confused:

"The second pair of underwear had Brianna's DNA, the DNA of a woman she lived with, and the DNA of the suspected killer on it."

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7978240

They really have to get their facts straight instead of trying to publish unverified info before another media outlet does! :no:

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by omsk99
Ok, media just gets more and more confused, and there is more misreporting. Some articles say the second (pink) pair of underwear had DNA of Brianna, the killer and a woman (not a girl?) who lived (not lives?) at the house. This article below states Brianna LIVED with that woman/girl :confused:

"The second pair of underwear had Brianna's DNA, the DNA of a woman she lived with, and the DNA of the suspected killer on it."

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7978240

They really have to get their facts straight instead of trying to publish unverified info before another media outlet does! :no: [/*]

Ugh, seriously!! And it's pretty crucial misreporting too. All the facts need to be correct in the reporting of this case, IMO. People's lives are depending on it.

JMO

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Jpanda


Ugh, seriously!! And it's pretty crucial misreporting too. All the facts need to be correct in the reporting of this case, IMO. People's lives are depending on it.

JMO [/*]

ITA, Jpanda! I get more and more frustrated with this case everyday. First the news that the killer's DNA was not on the black thong, then the disappointing PC, not all these different accounts of the same facts. Like you said, people's lives depend on it, who knows when that POS is going to strike again!

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by omsk99
Ok, media just gets more and more confused, and there is more misreporting. Some articles say the second (pink) pair of underwear had DNA of Brianna, the killer and a woman (not a girl?) who lived (not lives?) at the house. This article below states Brianna LIVED with that woman/girl :confused:

"The second pair of underwear had Brianna's DNA, the DNA of a woman she lived with, and the DNA of the suspected killer on it."

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7978240

They really have to get their facts straight instead of trying to publish unverified info before another media outlet does! :no: [/*]

I could not agree with you more, the reporting on this story has been atrocious. Not only are many of the articles written about this case ambiguous and confusing, but many times they turn out to be just plain wrong.

I think it is safe to say we don't have any future Pulitzer Prize winners in Reno. At least none assigned to this story.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


I could not agree with you more, the reporting on this story has been atrocious. Not only are many of the articles written about this case ambiguous and confusing, but many times they turn out to be just plain wrong.

I think it is safe to say we don't have any future Pulitzer Prize winners in Reno. At least none assigned to this story. [/*]

And I couldn't agree with you more, either. You would think with so much national attention, they could get their facts straight. I can't even trust any of these reports anymore, they keep contradicting each other, and the Reno website doesn't really get updated info very often (probably there is nothing to update it with). Don't mean to sound bitter, but I just don't want it to be another cold case, which is what Leah Hickman's case seems to have become, sadly. JMO

[ruby]

Saw the Dr. Phil special on Sex Offenders. Brianna's mom and her cousin Ashley were on....so heartbreaking. No new information, as per her mother. She said they have no suspects...was pretty much just a highlight on how reno is reacting to this.

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by wandering
The thing is, they have had this info since they found Brianna's body. They are no closer to catching this perp than they were before. :chicken: [/*]

It seems like in an effort to be careful they are not sharing information that might be helpful in recognizing this guy. His and his vehicle's descriptions are important but we all know how unreliable witness info can be. If you consider that and the fact that the description could be 100's of guys in and around Reno, the odds of finding him before more damage is done get greater each passing day.

[wandering]

Originally posted by osubbfan


It seems like in an effort to be careful they are not sharing information that might be helpful in recognizing this guy. His and his vehicle's descriptions are important but we all know how unreliable witness info can be. If you consider that and the fact that the description could be 100's of guys in and around Reno, the odds of finding him before more damage is done get greater each passing day. [/*]ITA, not a good strategy. Someone could get killed.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by ruby


I can't confirm with a link, but I remember a link a week or so ago, stating she was clothed :shrug: so hard to find the story though. I could be mistaken... [/*]
Thanks so much, ruby. :) I hadn't heard anything and with LE finding the underwear at the site where her body was it just made me curious if she was still clothed.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by omsk99
Ok, media just gets more and more confused, and there is more misreporting. Some articles say the second (pink) pair of underwear had DNA of Brianna, the killer and a woman (not a girl?) who lived (not lives?) at the house. This article below states Brianna LIVED with that woman/girl :confused:

"The second pair of underwear had Brianna's DNA, the DNA of a woman she lived with, and the DNA of the suspected killer on it."

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7978240

They really have to get their facts straight instead of trying to publish unverified info before another media outlet does! :no: [/*]
I couldn't agree more! Brianna was only visiting that house, or so I thought, for the night. Earlier on, I also noticed a discrepancy in what the suspect was supposed to be wearing at the Dec. 16 assault. Or maybe it was a description from the Nov. and Dec. victims? :confused: Another thing is with the description of the vehicle, why can't LE put out some information like what make of truck it is? They're the ones with unlimited access to vehicle features.

[Politigal]

Originally posted by omsk99
This link contains links to several sites related/dedicated to Brianna:

http://feministinvegas.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/weekly-round-up-brianna-denison/ [/*]

Thanks for this link.

If you go to the Facebook site created by her friends, there are 2 suspect sketches there.

[Politigal]

Originally posted by Mama
Someone in Reno knows who this ***stard is. Why they don't turn him in is beyond me. I'll never understand it. There is likely a women there who knows. He took an innocent girl right out of her bed and her life and killed her. Why is that not enough to say "I know who did it!!!" Hoping they find him before he strikes again.....and he will. [/*]

I think we have to step back and consider just how many tips police are probably getting on this case with the national exposure. Police have to go thru each one and prioritize before they actually investigate those tips.

Hopefully - they'll bore down to *the* tip soon.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I know....I keep trying to think WHY they would think that, if no one from the house's DNA was on it. And if they think it came from that home, then why do they think it is so important in finding this guy? I just can't shake the feeling that this guy knew Bri, or knows someone from that house. Why else would they be so convinced that that pair of underwear, which they believe came from that house, could lead them to the killer. :shrug: [/*]

I've been having that thought a lot too - that Bri or one of the other girls, or the male roomies know this guy......I've had that thought for quite awhile - it just seems too coincidental that he just randomly chose that house and found the door unlocked.

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by Mama
Someone in Reno knows who this ***stard is. Why they don't turn him in is beyond me. I'll never understand it. There is likely a women there who knows. He took an innocent girl right out of her bed and her life and killed her. Why is that not enough to say "I know who did it!!!" Hoping they find him before he strikes again.....and he will. [/*]

Denial is a powerful thing. Many people still believe that in order to do something like this a person would have to be terrible person. While he IS a terrible person he likely puts on a facade of being a kind person, maybe even jovial. Also, it is very common for a stressor in the person’s life to cause them to start escalating their violence, so those who know him might think this stressor is causing any change in behavior.
Another thing to consider is that someone may have already turned him in but he “passed” the first look by LE. It isn’t unusual for these guys to be looked out, even interviewed, by LE once before they are identified as the perp. I recall that Bundy’s girlfriend reported him while he was still living with her but for whatever reason it wasn’t followed up on (I don’t remember why).

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by osubbfan


I recall that Bundy’s girlfriend reported him while he was still living with her but for whatever reason it wasn’t followed up on (I don’t remember why). [/*]

From: www.moria.co.nz/horror/tedbundy.htm

"From the description of the individual described by witnesses at Lake Sammamish, King County detectives were able to get a description both of the suspect and his brown Volkswagen Beetle. Both Bundy's girlfriend, Liz Kendall and then-co-worker Ann Rule reported him as a possible suspect, but the King County police, deluged with hundreds of tips, did not have any reason to pick out the unassuming Bundy from the long list of leads to be investigated."

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


From: www.moria.co.nz/horror/tedbundy.htm

"From the description of the individual described by witnesses at Lake Sammamish, King County detectives were able to get a description both of the suspect and his brown Volkswagen Beetle. Both Bundy's girlfriend, Liz Kendall and then-co-worker Ann Rule reported him as a possible suspect, but the King County police, deluged with hundreds of tips, did not have any reason to pick out the unassuming Bundy from the long list of leads to be investigated." [/*]

And they have THOUSANDS of tips in this case. Wonder what their criteria are for taking a tip seriously enough to follow up on? Of course now a follow up could be as simple as collecting a DNA sample from a willing male. But then getting the tests results in a timely manner is another issue. :flamemad:

[wandering]

Originally posted by osubbfan


And they have THOUSANDS of tips in this case. Wonder what their criteria are for taking a tip seriously enough to follow up on? Of course now a follow up could be as simple as collecting a DNA sample from a willing male. But then getting the tests results in a timely manner is another issue. :flamemad: [/*]The perp certainly wouldn't be a "willing male." A waste of time and money, imo.

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by wandering
The perp certainly wouldn't be a "willing male." A waste of time and money, imo. [/*]

No, I doubt if he would be very willing. Although an innocent person may very well be unwilling, I think they would have to look closer at someone in that situation. I'm sure some may see that as unjust but DNA may be all they have to go on at the time.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by wandering
The perp certainly wouldn't be a "willing male." A waste of time and money, imo. [/*]


IMHO, Not at all. They are not looking for a "willing male", they are looking for the male/males who are not willing to give a swab sample. Then they will focus on them.

This case is not going to be solved like in a 60 minute TV show.

It is going to be solved the old fashioned way, with a lot of shoe leather. They may get lucky and get a quick hit but more then likely it will take months and, YES, it may take another attack to give them the additional information needed to focus on a prime suspect.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5



IMHO, Not at all. They are not looking for a "willing male", they are looking for the male/males who are not willing to give a swab sample. Then they will focus on them.

This case is not going to be solved like in a 60 minute TV show.

It is going to be solved the old fashioned way, with a lot of shoe leather. They may get lucky and get a quick hit but more then likely it will take months and, YES, it may take another attack to give them the additional information needed to focus on a prime suspect. [/*]

That's my biggest fear and what I hope they can prevent, though it just may not be possible - it may just take another attack to finally be able to get him :(

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Rosieo


That's my biggest fear and what I hope they can prevent, though it just may not be possible - it may just take another attack to finally be able to get him :( [/*]

I agree. I am not going to quote my source but I know many of the detectives working this case are putting in 16+ hour days. Some are being forced to go home to get rest.

That is their greatest fear, that before they can put this guy behind bars he will strike again.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


I agree. I am not going to quote my source but I know many of the detectives working this case are putting in 16+ hour days. Some are being forced to go home to get rest.

That is their greatest fear, that before they can put this guy behind bars he will strike again. [/*]That's a very valid fear. He's overdue. Prayers for those dedicated to his apprehension, as well as all victims, past, present and possibly future. :rose:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by stopthemurde


My thinking is that they do not have adequate info for the vehicle... basically only it was an suv or 4-door truck, needed a step to het up into (more like a truck?) ... many women, myself included, would not know the make of the vehcile parked across the street much less one where you get grabbed into in the dark. The victim had a pretty good description of the inside of the vehicle so unless this perp is a total loner someone has been inside it.

The baby shoe may be planted misleading evidence IMO. If he asked a young woman for help or a ride by opening the passenger door then the baby shoe would make him pretty innocent looking and the woman may approach but then get grabbed instead. Only a baby in the vehicle would make him look more harmless.

I have a feeling the perp's wife is pregnant and he did not want the baby. Being pregant may not be the time for the wife to imagine the husband to be a serial rapist & killer. She may have an upper hand in the marriage - like it is her money they live off of or she is the one with a career, he is playing MR Mom, she is smarter than he is.

I just hope whoever that person is to PLEASE come forward... [/*]
I was mainly thinking about the description of the interior of the truck such as the narrow front-opening console, placement of the dome light, red/blue display on the radio, plus the step up. I would think that LE could put some of these features into a database and come up with possibilities as to what make of truck it is. Of course, by now, the perp could be driving something else or have gone to another state. It's also possible he didn't even live in Reno when the crimes were committed but only visited there regularly and had knowledge of the city and area. Good thoughts on the baby shoe. It does seem strange there was only one shoe (unless the other one was underneath the seat) but there was no car-seat in the truck.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I've been having that thought a lot too - that Bri or one of the other girls, or the male roomies know this guy......I've had that thought for quite awhile - it just seems too coincidental that he just randomly chose that house and found the door unlocked. [/*]
He also got Brianna out of the house without disturbing the roommates or the small dog in the bedroom. I do think he'd been in the house before and as you said very possible he knew them. If that's true though it seems very coincidental that he also struck somewhat randomly in Nov. and Dec. and those victims didn't know those in the house where Brianna was staying that night.

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by sunstar

I was mainly thinking about the description of the interior of the truck such as the narrow front-opening console, placement of the dome light, red/blue display on the radio, plus the step up. I would think that LE could put some of these features into a database and come up with possibilities as to what make of truck it is. Of course, by now, the perp could be driving something else or have gone to another state. It's also possible he didn't even live in Reno when the crimes were committed but only visited there regularly and had knowledge of the city and area. Good thoughts on the baby shoe. It does seem strange there was only one shoe (unless the other one was underneath the seat) but there was no car-seat in the truck. [/*]

the narrow front-opening console[/*]

I recently watched the new AMW video and it says rear opening console. That is the first I'd heard that. With all the contradictions in descriptions no wonder no one has been able to help identify him. That particular mistake may not be all that important but it just might stop a call from someone who wants a reason not to think her spouse is a monster. Come on media...this is important enough for you to check your facts....geez.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by osubbfan


the narrow front-opening console[/*]

I recently watched the new AMW video and it says rear opening console. That is the first I'd heard that. With all the contradictions in descriptions no wonder no one has been able to help identify him. That particular mistake may not be all that important but it just might stop a call from someone who wants a reason not to think her spouse is a monster. Come on media...this is important enough for you to check your facts....geez. [/*]
I don't find AMW the most credible source because they've previously misstated things on other cases and sometimes Ed Miller will misspeak when he's on Nancy's show. :(

[sunstar]

Originally posted by stopthemurde


If the vehicle did not come with a console you can buy them... I wonder if LE has been looking what is available online/catalogs/stores. I bought a perfect console for my town & country minivan....
so the console may not have come with the vehicle. or one may have come wtih it but he replaced it... a bit harder to do since they are usually built in then. But some consoles thet come with a vehicle are just wrong for my needs, and I also wish I could remove it when I need extra floor space up front.

So I wonder if there are vehicles suvs/trucks/ where there is an option for no console or the console can be removed and replaced? [/*]
That's a good question. It would also help, imo, if we knew how old this truck is since it's more likely that interior modifications would be done to one that had been restored for example.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


I agree. I am not going to quote my source but I know many of the detectives working this case are putting in 16+ hour days. Some are being forced to go home to get rest.

That is their greatest fear, that before they can put this guy behind bars he will strike again. [/*]

It has to be a very, very tough position for them to be in. It's easy to sit here sometimes in frustration and criticize, but I'm sure they're doing all they possibly can - I think sometimes people take their frustration out on LE, simply because there is no-one else to take it out on. I know how hard this case has hit me and all of us here, just knowing what we know about it - it has to be that a hundred-fold for those working the case, who know all the details, which I'm sure are much worse than the general public knows.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by sunstar

He also got Brianna out of the house without disturbing the roommates or the small dog in the bedroom. I do think he'd been in the house before and as you said very possible he knew them. If that's true though it seems very coincidental that he also struck somewhat randomly in Nov. and Dec. and those victims didn't know those in the house where Brianna was staying that night. [/*]

The dog not barking especially makes me think he'd been in the house before, or at least had been in the house that night. The random attacks in Nov. and Dec. were on the street so those at least "make sense" to me - not make sense, but make sense in the fact that it was outside, in the open. The theory that they came home and went to bed and he just "happened" to come upon that particular house, look in the door, find her sleeping, tried the door and found it unlocked - to me, that seems to coincidental to be true. It could be, but something doesn't feel right about it. I keep feeling that he saw her somewhere before and was stalking her, saw her out somewhere earlier that night, one of the roommates knew him - something - it seems TOO random to be random, if that makes any sense. Even an idiot has more sense than to try a door, find it unlocked, walk right in and take a girl without any clue who else may be in the house or expected to arrive at the house at that particular time. How did he know the two male roomies weren't there - or that there may have been 4 male roomies, all at home for all he knew - or that another carload of friends wouldn't be pulling up at any moment, coming home from partying? It just doesn't feel right - for whatever reason, he felt safe in going in there and taking her.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Rosieo


The dog not barking especially makes me think he'd been in the house before, or at least had been in the house that night. The random attacks in Nov. and Dec. were on the street so those at least "make sense" to me - not make sense, but make sense in the fact that it was outside, in the open. The theory that they came home and went to bed and he just "happened" to come upon that particular house, look in the door, find her sleeping, tried the door and found it unlocked - to me, that seems to coincidental to be true. It could be, but something doesn't feel right about it. I keep feeling that he saw her somewhere before and was stalking her, saw her out somewhere earlier that night, one of the roommates knew him - something - it seems TOO random to be random, if that makes any sense. Even an idiot has more sense than to try a door, find it unlocked, walk right in and take a girl without any clue who else may be in the house or expected to arrive at the house at that particular time. How did he know the two male roomies weren't there - or that there may have been 4 male roomies, all at home for all he knew - or that another carload of friends wouldn't be pulling up at any moment, coming home from partying? It just doesn't feel right - for whatever reason, he felt safe in going in there and taking her. [/*]
As for the dog, it may be so used to people coming and going that it wouldn't have barked at the perp, who would've been quiet anyway. But I completely agree with you on the rest of the scenario ~ while the other 2 assaults seem to be somewhat random in the manner in which he confronted them, going inside a small house (with the bedroom right next to the living room) to abduct someone when you don't know how many people are inside or who might come home next seems very brazen. It almost reminds me of how Polly Klaas was abducted, but in this case I do think this perp had been in the house before and knew he could get Brianna out of there undetected.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by sunstar

As for the dog, it may be so used to people coming and going that it wouldn't have barked at the perp, who would've been quiet anyway. But I completely agree with you on the rest of the scenario ~ while the other 2 assaults seem to be somewhat random in the manner in which he confronted them, going inside a small house (with the bedroom right next to the living room) to abduct someone when you don't know how many people are inside or who might come home next seems very brazen. It almost reminds me of how Polly Klaas was abducted, but in this case I do think this perp had been in the house before and knew he could get Brianna out of there undetected. [/*]

K.T. said, though, that the dogs barks at everything, even her roomies, even though the dog knows them, she said it's a barker. I'm wondering, though, if it did bark and she was sleeping so soundly, she didn't hear it - they'd just gone to bed apparently not long before he took Brianna (half hour, hour by guesstimate?) maybe she'd just gone into REM and was so sound asleep, she just didn't hear it. One of my dogs is a barker - I'll go to sleep sometimes at 4 a.m. - my husband gets up at 5 and she barks like crazy when he gets up - I don't hear her - but if she starts barking again at 8 or 9 a.m., I will. I agree, I have a feeling too that he'd been in the house before, or at least watching the house - and if he had the roomie's undies, he got them somehow i.e., by knowing her, or having been in the house before, or having been in the house when they got home.

[osubbfan]

There are several plausible scenarios IMO.
One is that he knew about the house party around the block, maybe even attended. He thought it would be a good opportunity to find a girl walking late at night so he prowled the neighborhood. In doing so he saw Brianna and her friends arrive home and watched them. He then just waited for his chance.
I also believe he could have just been lurking/hunting and seen Brianna sleeping. She could have rolled over or made other movement that caught his attention. He tried the door and found it unlocked. As far as him being brazen in his behavior, I saw on another forum where someone mentioned that sociopaths do not experience fear “normally”, they don’t have the same level of fear that we have. He could have planned to attempt to take her and run if he heard anyone else. In some ways, taking someone from inside a house is safer for him than taking someone from a parking lot where anyone could come by or look out a window. However, even in this scenario I still strongly believe he had some level of familiarity with that house, or spent his time “in wait” checking out the layout and location of the doors.
He could have seen the first friend come home, waited and went inside moments before Brianna and her friend arrived. Maybe he hid in the house at that time. If he did not know the girls (or their roommates) and their habits it seems to have been a series of coincidences that led to this tragedy. Unfortunate but very possible. There are some things we are just not meant to understand I guess. Why all the events happened in his favor that particular night is one of them.

[wandering]

I think Nancy Grace should do a program of updates on this case, and the Leah Hickman case. She can ask the hard questions of the investigators...

[Politigal]

I think the perp is familiar with the house too.

If you look at a map of that area - Brianna was taken from a corner house on a court.

If the guy was on foot and got into the home & took her - that means he lives very very nearby - either on the court itself or on the street behind - which is Buena Vista Ave I believe.

If he had a vehicle - was out & about at 4am ish - I believe he went specifically to that house. Either he knows one of the girls or he knows one of the guys who were renting there.

JMHO

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan
There are several plausible scenarios IMO.
One is that he knew about the house party around the block, maybe even attended. He thought it would be a good opportunity to find a girl walking late at night so he prowled the neighborhood. In doing so he saw Brianna and her friends arrive home and watched them. He then just waited for his chance.
I also believe he could have just been lurking/hunting and seen Brianna sleeping. She could have rolled over or made other movement that caught his attention. He tried the door and found it unlocked. As far as him being brazen in his behavior, I saw on another forum where someone mentioned that sociopaths do not experience fear “normally”, they don’t have the same level of fear that we have. He could have planned to attempt to take her and run if he heard anyone else. In some ways, taking someone from inside a house is safer for him than taking someone from a parking lot where anyone could come by or look out a window. However, even in this scenario I still strongly believe he had some level of familiarity with that house, or spent his time “in wait” checking out the layout and location of the doors.
He could have seen the first friend come home, waited and went inside moments before Brianna and her friend arrived. Maybe he hid in the house at that time. If he did not know the girls (or their roommates) and their habits it seems to have been a series of coincidences that led to this tragedy. Unfortunate but very possible. There are some things we are just not meant to understand I guess. Why all the events happened in his favor that particular night is one of them. [/*]

All very good possibilities....and your last line hit home what it is all about - sadly, he was very lucky that night :( I wonder all sorts of things - scenarios - maybe he saw the first girl come home, was watching to see if she was alone, etc, planning to go in after her, and then he saw Brianna and the other friend arrive home. I also keep feeling that the party had something to do with all of this. I don't know if the whole truth of what happened that night ever will come out, even if/when they do catch him - I am totally confident, though, that now or later - whichever the case may be - they ARE going to catch this POS....I just hope it's before he does any more harm.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Politigal
I think the perp is familiar with the house too.

If you look at a map of that area - Brianna was taken from a corner house on a court.

If the guy was on foot and got into the home & took her - that means he lives very very nearby - either on the court itself or on the street behind - which is Buena Vista Ave I believe.

If he had a vehicle - was out & about at 4am ish - I believe he went specifically to that house. Either he knows one of the girls or he knows one of the guys who were renting there.

JMHO [/*]

I can't help feeling this also, that he knows one of them, or knows OF them. I noticed on the map the 2 streets, coming together at the end, and a cross street in between - he may live on that parallel road (I forget the name of it) - grab her, go across the little cross street and home. It's so odd that there were no tire tracks, no footprints.......

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Politigal


This is from a cached MSNBC article

Case Summary and Other Details:

Brianna Denison was last accounted for at approximately 4:30 a.m., on Sunday, January 20, 2008. It is believed that the suspect encountered her sometime thereafter, at a time when most people were asleep. Because the suspect was out at an odd hour, he may have fabricated a story regarding his activities during the early morning hours of January 20, 2008. The suspect may be a resident of the neighborhood immediately west of the University of Nevada campus and/or may have intimate knowledge of the area. For reference, the three crimes in question occurred on the following dates and times: November 13, 2007 - 5:40 p.m., December 16, 2007 - 2:00 a.m., January 19, 2008 4:00 a.m., and January 20, 2008 - 4:30 a.m. Because of the nature of the crimes, please note that the information, e.g., height or weight descriptions, might not be completely accurate. Any information, no matter how seemingly insignificant, should be brought to our attention, including abrupt and noticeable changes in the behavior of a person that could be considered a suspect.

Genetic sampling (DNA) has been identified from the scene of Brianna's disappearance and has been linked to the Kidnap/Sexual assault case as mentioned above. Additionally, the blood found on the pillow at the residence has been identified as belonging to Brianna. Her clothing at the time of her disappearance was described as a white tank top with pink angel wings with rhinestones on the back and word "Bindi" on the back. She was wearing pink sweats that had two distinctive brown stains on one leg.



If you read above, police determined that the killer went to that other victim's apartment Jan 19th 4am & tried to break in (only about 30 minutes before he went to the home where Brianna was)....

From the above, it was 24 hours apart - the 19th at 4 am and then Bri the 20th at 4:30 am - but the times and the close proximity of the houses is significant.


I think that is significant - and shows he had Brianna's destination in mind - it was familiar.

I agree.



I also read in another article, that the other victim was a young Asian woman. [/*]

I heard she was from Taiwan? Not sure if that's correct, I remember reading she's from Taiwan and immediately left the country and went back there after the rape. I wonder if all the girls had dark hair, or if any were lighter? They were all petite - Bri was somewhat dark complected, being Italian, brown hair - I wonder if they all were/are?

[Politigal]

I deleted my last post as I was in error about the dates but here's a timeline of the assaults

http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2008/01/31/police-link-another-crime-to-denison-case/

- Nov. 13 at 5:55 a.m.: a female was battered and sexually groped in the 400 black of College Drive

- Dec. 16 at 2 a.m.: A female was battered and kidnapped from the 1400 block of North Virginia Street, sexually assaulted and returned home

- Jan. 19 at 5 a.m.: an unknown suspect unsuccessfully attempted to break into the home of the December victim

- Jan. 20 at 4:30 a.m.: Denison goes missing from a friend’s couch.

[Politigal]

So according to the dates/times above --

the killer has struck on the following days

Sunday - both on Dec 16 and Jan 20
Tuesday - on Nov 13
Saturday - on Jan 19

and all between the hours of 2:00 am and 5:55 am

I think the October case - that hasn't actually been linked yet since she waited til January to report it - is curious, in that it occurred in the Brian Whalen Parking Garage where Campus police park.

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by Rosieo


All very good possibilities....and your last line hit home what it is all about - sadly, he was very lucky that night :( I wonder all sorts of things - scenarios - maybe he saw the first girl come home, was watching to see if she was alone, etc, planning to go in after her, and then he saw Brianna and the other friend arrive home. I also keep feeling that the party had something to do with all of this. I don't know if the whole truth of what happened that night ever will come out, even if/when they do catch him - I am totally confident, though, that now or later - whichever the case may be - they ARE going to catch this POS....I just hope it's before he does any more harm. [/*]

I agree that the party played a role. As I mentioned before, it may have been what led to him being in that neighborhood that night. However, he had attacked a woman within a block in November so he feels comfortable there. I just get a feeling he didn't know them...not sure why, just a feeling. I know many people think differently. As you said he may have know of them. If he lives around there or frequents the area he may have noticed them before. He likely is always on the lookout for potential victims, even when he isn't planning to attack at that moment.

Without any further developments this is likely to die out in the media soon, even in Reno. It will go to the back of most people's mind. I think that is what he is waiting for.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Politigal
So according to the dates/times above --

the killer has struck on the following days

Sunday - both on Dec 16 and Jan 20
Tuesday - on Nov 13
Saturday - on Jan 19

and all between the hours of 2:00 am and 5:55 am

I think the October case - that hasn't actually been linked yet since she waited til January to report it - is curious, in that it occurred in the Brian Whalen Parking Garage where Campus police park. [/*]Hmmm...could be a casino worker. Isn't that where Brianna and her friends were that night?

[Politigal]

Originally posted by wandering
Hmmm...could be a casino worker. Isn't that where Brianna and her friends were that night? [/*]

per AMW ---

Brianna Denison returned to her hometown of Reno, Nev. for winter break from where she attends college in Santa Barbara, Calif. On Jan. 19, 2008, she joined some friends at a Reno area 'SWAT' party. SWAT parties cater to young adults seeking out travel destinations involving snowboarding, skiing, surfing, and other action sports. From there, she and a friend, KT Hunter, went on to the Sands Regency Hotel Casino to attend a hip-hop concert.

After leaving the casino, police say Brianna returned to Hunter's home at 1395 MacKay Court at around 4 a.m., and was reportedly last seen falling asleep on a couch. The residence is in an area close to the University of Nevada, and is populated mostly by college students living off-campus. That was the last time anyone saw the 19-year-old psychology student.

Earlier that night, Jessica Deal, who was also staying at the MacKay Court residence, solicited a ride from an unknown male. Deal arrived home safe and sound, and police say that the journey was without incident.

And here's the Sand's Regency link from yahoo:

http://www.sandsregency.com/

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I heard she was from Taiwan? Not sure if that's correct, I remember reading she's from Taiwan and immediately left the country and went back there after the rape. I wonder if all the girls had dark hair, or if any were lighter? They were all petite - Bri was somewhat dark complected, being Italian, brown hair - I wonder if they all were/are? [/*]
Hi Rosieo :seeya: Yes I heard she was from Taiwan and returned there. I think the common denominator is the petite size and long dark hair.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan


I agree that the party played a role. As I mentioned before, it may have been what led to him being in that neighborhood that night. However, he had attacked a woman within a block in November so he feels comfortable there. I just get a feeling he didn't know them...not sure why, just a feeling. I know many people think differently. As you said he may have know of them. If he lives around there or frequents the area he may have noticed them before. He likely is always on the lookout for potential victims, even when he isn't planning to attack at that moment.

Without any further developments this is likely to die out in the media soon, even in Reno. It will go to the back of most people's mind. I think that is what he is waiting for. [/*]

I hope not - I hope the "powers that be" keep this in the forefront of the news, but logically, if there is no new info, it is just the way things happen :(

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by sunstar

Hi Rosieo :seeya: Yes I heard she was from Taiwan and returned there. I think the common denominator is the petite size and long dark hair. [/*]

Hi Sunstar, thanks - I wasn't sure if they all had dark hair - there does seem to be a connection then from something/someone in his life - heaven knows what or who.....

[wandering]

Originally posted by Politigal


per AMW ---

Brianna Denison returned to her hometown of Reno, Nev. for winter break from where she attends college in Santa Barbara, Calif. On Jan. 19, 2008, she joined some friends at a Reno area 'SWAT' party. SWAT parties cater to young adults seeking out travel destinations involving snowboarding, skiing, surfing, and other action sports. From there, she and a friend, KT Hunter, went on to the Sands Regency Hotel Casino to attend a hip-hop concert.

After leaving the casino, police say Brianna returned to Hunter's home at 1395 MacKay Court at around 4 a.m., and was reportedly last seen falling asleep on a couch. The residence is in an area close to the University of Nevada, and is populated mostly by college students living off-campus. That was the last time anyone saw the 19-year-old psychology student.

Earlier that night, Jessica Deal, who was also staying at the MacKay Court residence, solicited a ride from an unknown male. Deal arrived home safe and sound, and police say that the journey was without incident.

And here's the Sand's Regency link from yahoo:

http://www.sandsregency.com/ [/*]Thanks. Hmmm...that casino has small ball/banquet rooms. He could work in those rooms. He'd get off by 2AM, I think. Most private parties disburse by then. I'm thinking he could have then entered the main areas, perhaps spotted Bri there.

[wandering]

Originally posted by wandering
Thanks. Hmmm...that casino has small ball/banquet rooms. He could work in those rooms. He'd get off by 2AM, I think. Most private parties disburse by then. I'm thinking he could have then entered the main areas, perhaps spotted Bri there. [/*]And then, trailed them home. I think this because the other attacks occurred between 2 and 4 AM. Bri was texting until 4:20? He waited his chance outside.

I don't think he was sure he was going to get her, I think he was watching her and seized the opportunity.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by wandering
And then, trailed them home. I think this because the other attacks occurred between 2 and 4 AM. Bri was texting until 4:20? He waited his chance outside.

I don't think he was sure he was going to get her, I think he was watching her and seized the opportunity. [/*]

It does make a lot of sense that this guy may be a casino worker, with the late hours of the attacks, as opposed to a guy with a different, "regular" job - third shift is usually 11p to 7 a, so with a "regular" job (provided he's employed), the times of the attacks wouldn't coincide with any normal shift - if he doesn't work and is married or living with someone, it would be kind of hard to explain going out at 2, 3, 4 a.m. and returning who knows when. Being a casino worker, the hours, would tie in, although I suppose they'd tie in if he worked in a nightclub also. It seems to me he must be living alone, or least not with a wife or SO, or you'd think they'd certainly notice if he was out in the wee hours when the attacks occurred, unless he was working. I base my assumptions on him living in Reno, though, which may not be the case at all - he could live in another state and his wife, friends or whomever haven't even heard of the case. My mind just goes like a whirlwind, because there are so many possibilities. I have a feeling, though, that it's going to turn out this guy is right under their nose, i.e., possibly living just a street away, or even just several houses away.

[donna]

This guy could also be a male performer or male stripper - shaven!

[Politigal]

One attack was in the 400 block of College Dr and Brianna was taken from 1395 Mackay Ct

that's less than a hop/skip/jump away from each other....

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/401+College+Dr+Reno+NV+89503-1607/1395+Mackay+Ct+Reno+NV+89503-1624/

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by donna
This guy could also be a male performer or male stripper - shaven! [/*]

That would explain the late hours also...... a male stripper with an "all women are sluts" attidude perhaps? Also, with his seeming to be very clean, no smell of alcohol, cigarettes, etc., working with the public?

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Politigal
One attack was in the 400 block of College Dr and Brianna was taken from 1395 Mackay Ct

that's less than a hop/skip/jump away from each other....

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/401+College+Dr+Reno+NV+89503-1607/1395+Mackay+Ct+Reno+NV+89503-1624/ [/*]

Practially right next door - I'm sure they've likely questioned everyone who lives in the immediate area, but that doesn't mean they didn't question him and pass him over as nothing notable to make him suspect. He may live right there in the neighborhood, which would also explain him knowing that house, who lived there, who was home and wasn't, comings and goings....having the roomie's undies, he may even have been in that house more than once, since the door was always left unlocked - and that would explain the dog not barking, if the dog already knew him - throw a dog a hot dog and you're his friend for life.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Rosieo


It does make a lot of sense that this guy may be a casino worker, with the late hours of the attacks, as opposed to a guy with a different, "regular" job - third shift is usually 11p to 7 a, so with a "regular" job (provided he's employed), the times of the attacks wouldn't coincide with any normal shift - if he doesn't work and is married or living with someone, it would be kind of hard to explain going out at 2, 3, 4 a.m. and returning who knows when. Being a casino worker, the hours, would tie in, although I suppose they'd tie in if he worked in a nightclub also. It seems to me he must be living alone, or least not with a wife or SO, or you'd think they'd certainly notice if he was out in the wee hours when the attacks occurred, unless he was working. I base my assumptions on him living in Reno, though, which may not be the case at all - he could live in another state and his wife, friends or whomever haven't even heard of the case. My mind just goes like a whirlwind, because there are so many possibilities. I have a feeling, though, that it's going to turn out this guy is right under their nose, i.e., possibly living just a street away, or even just several houses away. [/*]Yep, yep, and yep. :chicken:

[Rosieo]

my husband thinks of things that would never occur to me...a new neighbor moved in next door last year and he was a little strange - our dog wandered over there one day and the neighbor also had a dog, they were out in the yard and he gave her a doggie treat. My husband and I walked over to get Rosie - my husband introduced himself and asked him, nicely of course, not to give her treats, that he doesn't like her to eat anything except at home, he told him she has a "fussy stomach." When we walked away, I asked him why he told him that, her stomach is fine and she loves treats. He explained that he didn't want the guy making friends with her, that that's not good, he didn't want her to be trusting of him. I'd have never thought of that, myself.

This guy could be someone who's encountered the dog before, or even stopped to be friendly and pet the dog when she had him out for a walk......just rambling with 100 different thoughts again ...

[wandering]

Originally posted by Rosieo
my husband thinks of things that would never occur to me...a new neighbor moved in next door last year and he was a little strange - our dog wandered over there one day and the neighbor also had a dog, they were out in the yard and he gave her a doggie treat. My husband and I walked over to get Rosie - my husband introduced himself and asked him, nicely of course, not to give her treats, that he doesn't like her to eat anything except at home, he told him she has a "fussy stomach." When we walked away, I asked him why he told him that, her stomach is fine and she loves treats. He explained that he didn't want the guy making friends with her, that that's not good, he didn't want her to be trusting of him. I'd have never thought of that, myself.

This guy could be someone who's encountered the dog before, or even stopped to be friendly and pet the dog when she had him out for a walk......just rambling with 100 different thoughts again ... [/*]He could have even been in the apartment before the girls got home, and gave the dog treats, and the dog would have just considered him another one of the group. He could have been watching that house for a couple of days.

Wonder what the scenario will end up being?

I hope LE is working on this 24/7.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by wandering
He could have even been in the apartment before the girls got home, and gave the dog treats, and the dog would have just considered him another one of the group. He could have been watching that house for a couple of days.

Wonder what the scenario will end up being?

I hope LE is working on this 24/7. [/*]

It will be interesting to see what the real story is - I'm confident that someday - hopefully sooner than later - they will catch him and we'll know :::fingers crossed::: I bet they are - I know I certainly would be. I would so hate to be anyone in LE on this case, I know I wouldn't sleep a wink. I'm sure what they know about the case is much more disturbing than what we know - I'd be so obsessed, I wouldn't be able to sleep or eat until he was caught. I don't envy their jobs.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Rosieo


It will be interesting to see what the real story is - I'm confident that someday - hopefully sooner than later - they will catch him and we'll know :::fingers crossed::: I bet they are - I know I certainly would be. I would so hate to be anyone in LE on this case, I know I wouldn't sleep a wink. I'm sure what they know about the case is much more disturbing than what we know - I'd be so obsessed, I wouldn't be able to sleep or eat until he was caught. I don't envy their jobs. [/*]Well heck, I'd be out there, pounding the pavement. Hiding and watching.

I wonder if they're watching various places.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by wandering
Well heck, I'd be out there, pounding the pavement. Hiding and watching.

I wonder if they're watching various places. [/*]

I was wondering why they don't - if they haven't - have an undercover woman wandering around late at night - if I were a short, petite, dark haired police woman, I'd be taking a little walk around the neighborhood, maybe taking my dog for a walk, between 3 and 5 a.m. (with proper backup, of course). Even if he knew it could be a setup, maybe he'd be too stupid, too egotistical or too desperate to be able to resist. I agree with you, I know I'd be out there in the wee hours hiding and watching that neighborhood, and I'd sure be thinking of ways to set him up.

[Cookies]

Thinking of you,Bri

:rose:

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by stopthemurde
One day closer to justice for Brianna :rose: [/*]

Yes, it is, and then we can celebrate. :beer: We can't bring her back, but we can pray that the POS is brought to justice, before he harms anyone else.....or maybe we'll get lucky and he'll harm himself, so we don't have to pay for him to sit in jail.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by donna
This guy could also be a male performer or male stripper - shaven! [/*]
Hi donna :seeya: That thought crossed my mind early on but didn't the Dec. victim describe him as kind of flabby around the belly (paraphrased since I don't have the link at hand)?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Rosieo
my husband thinks of things that would never occur to me...a new neighbor moved in next door last year and he was a little strange - our dog wandered over there one day and the neighbor also had a dog, they were out in the yard and he gave her a doggie treat. My husband and I walked over to get Rosie - my husband introduced himself and asked him, nicely of course, not to give her treats, that he doesn't like her to eat anything except at home, he told him she has a "fussy stomach." When we walked away, I asked him why he told him that, her stomach is fine and she loves treats. He explained that he didn't want the guy making friends with her, that that's not good, he didn't want her to be trusting of him. I'd have never thought of that, myself.

This guy could be someone who's encountered the dog before, or even stopped to be friendly and pet the dog when she had him out for a walk......just rambling with 100 different thoughts again ... [/*]
That's a very good thought and something that most people don't even think of. I do think he'd been in the house before and the dog didn't think there was anything wrong with him being there. There has to be some explanation why the dog didn't bark at him.

[wandering]

Originally posted by sunstar

Hi donna :seeya: That thought crossed my mind early on but didn't the Dec. victim describe him as kind of flabby around the belly (paraphrased since I don't have the link at hand)? [/*]That's why I think he could be a waiter, or a dealer in the casino. Moreso a dealer, they don't get much exercise, just sit/stand there and deal. Could be a bartender, too.

I do think he's a night bird, and two of his attacks were on a Monday and a Wednesday, slow nights for partying.

[silex]

I'm new to posting here, but have been lurking for awhile... I'm from Reno and have been following the news daily regarding this case. I am responding to Rosieo's post about undercover women around the neighborhood. I can tell you I have been driving down Sierra St. aprox. 2-3 times a week in hopes that if my headlights distract this monster (if he's out there) long enough for someone to get away I have helped in some way. I have seen quite a few women walking alone while talking on cell phones, long dark hair, petite. I can only hope they are undercover and not just being stupid.

[Politigal]

I've been reading various myspace posts from young people in Reno, and it doesn't seem that this murder has changed their lifestyles too much....so many of them are still writing about going out partying/drinking/macking/ etc.....

I just hope they aren't too complacent about their own safety. People always think - "oh that would never happen to me..."

But it does.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by silex
I'm new to posting here, but have been lurking for awhile... I'm from Reno and have been following the news daily regarding this case. I am responding to Rosieo's post about undercover women around the neighborhood. I can tell you I have been driving down Sierra St. aprox. 2-3 times a week in hopes that if my headlights distract this monster (if he's out there) long enough for someone to get away I have helped in some way. I have seen quite a few women walking alone while talking on cell phones, long dark hair, petite. I can only hope they are undercover and not just being stupid. [/*]

Hi Silex - late at night or in the wee hours of the morning they're doing this? If so, maybe they are undercover? Or, I agree, not very smart. I hope you stick around - I love the input from those that live in Reno....

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Politigal
I've been reading various myspace posts from young people in Reno, and it doesn't seem that this murder has changed their lifestyles too much....so many of them are still writing about going out partying/drinking/macking/ etc.....

I just hope they aren't too complacent about their own safety. People always think - "oh that would never happen to me..."

But it does. [/*]

Exactly. I have to ask, what is macking?

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by silex
I'm new to posting here, but have been lurking for awhile... I'm from Reno and have been following the news daily regarding this case. I am responding to Rosieo's post about undercover women around the neighborhood. I can tell you I have been driving down Sierra St. aprox. 2-3 times a week in hopes that if my headlights distract this monster (if he's out there) long enough for someone to get away I have helped in some way. I have seen quite a few women walking alone while talking on cell phones, long dark hair, petite. I can only hope they are undercover and not just being stupid. [/*]

Welcome! :seeya:

Today after work I picked my son up and we went to the park near UNR. I too noticed a couple of girls walking around alone. One was on a cell phone, not paying attention to anything and the other had sunglasses on and just looked straight ahead. Maybe I am paranoid but I am always looking over my shoulder now! I do not understand how anyone could still have the attitude that they are invincible. :shrug: Very sad and frustrating. We are making it too easy for attackers!!

On a side note, I drove by the house on Mackay Court where Bri was taken from. Thankfully every window and that front door had blinds/curtains so you could no longer see inside (although too little too late). But I was surprised to see 2 cars in the driveway. I assumed the roommates would have moved out (at least the girls) and maybe they have but it definitely looked liked someone lived there still.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Politigal
I've been reading various myspace posts from young people in Reno, and it doesn't seem that this murder has changed their lifestyles too much....so many of them are still writing about going out partying/drinking/macking/ etc.....

I just hope they aren't too complacent about their own safety. People always think - "oh that would never happen to me..."

But it does. [/*]

I too have noticed the same thing... even some of her friends seem to party as they had before. I really hope they are being smarter about it but I have a feeling they are not.

Yes, I'm sure Bri never thought it would happen to her either.

:rose:

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Exactly. I have to ask, what is macking? [/*]

Flirting or trying to pick someone up would be a good way to describe it I believe.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28


Welcome! :seeya:

Today after work I picked my son up and we went to the park near UNR. I too noticed a couple of girls walking around alone. One was on a cell phone, not paying attention to anything and the other had sunglasses on and just looked straight ahead. Maybe I am paranoid but I am always looking over my shoulder now! I do not understand how anyone could still have the attitude that they are invincible. :shrug: Very sad and frustrating. We are making it too easy for attackers!!

That is scary - I've always been aware of my surroundings, but especially since the Kelsey Smith case, I'm much more aware - when I leave a store, I take the time to notice who's around, etc. You would think after this that the young women there would be being much more careful.

On a side note, I drove by the house on Mackay Court where Bri was taken from. Thankfully every window and that front door had blinds/curtains so you could no longer see inside (although too little too late). But I was surprised to see 2 cars in the driveway. I assumed the roommates would have moved out (at least the girls) and maybe they have but it definitely looked liked someone lived there still. [/*]

If they still live there, they sure have a lot more nerve than I would!! No way, I'd have been out of there the next day....if someone new is renting there, that's also something I wouldn't do. I'm really surprised to hear that it's occupied - I wonder if it is the same roommates. Good to hear that the windows and door are now covered although, as you said, too little, too late.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28


Flirting or trying to pick someone up would be a good way to describe it I believe. [/*]

Thanks - I'd never heard the term - not smart, especially right now :(

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28


I too have noticed the same thing... even some of her friends seem to party as they had before. I really hope they are being smarter about it but I have a feeling they are not.

Yes, I'm sure Bri never thought it would happen to her either.

:rose: [/*]

This is just....amazing...if her friends are partying just like they had before. I remember at that age feeling invincible and these things only happen to other people, but if it had hit that close to home for me, I'd have certainly been re-thinking and changing my habits - I wouldn't stop partying and enjoying life, but I'd certainly be far less trusting.

[silex]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Hi Silex - late at night or in the wee hours of the morning they're doing this? If so, maybe they are undercover? Or, I agree, not very smart. I hope you stick around - I love the input from those that live in Reno.... [/*]

I have not been by there during the early morning hours, a few times past midnight but mostly between 6:30pm-8pm, as I am on my way to pick up my children and return home. I have noticed different women on the same day both directions. The women I have seen past midnight have been in pairs or with groups, I have not noticed any wandering late at night alone. Remember, the November 13th attempt was early evening (news reports state anywhere between 5p-6p)... these women need to be aware at all hours. There are many jobs in Reno that do not have set schedules, hours and days off are set weekly. If he truly is an opportunist I believe he is spending a lot of time at any hour waiting.

[wandering]

Originally posted by silex
I'm new to posting here, but have been lurking for awhile... I'm from Reno and have been following the news daily regarding this case. I am responding to Rosieo's post about undercover women around the neighborhood. I can tell you I have been driving down Sierra St. aprox. 2-3 times a week in hopes that if my headlights distract this monster (if he's out there) long enough for someone to get away I have helped in some way. I have seen quite a few women walking alone while talking on cell phones, long dark hair, petite. I can only hope they are undercover and not just being stupid. [/*]That sounds like undercover. No young woman in her right mind would be walking around alone there. :chicken:

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by silex


I have not been by there during the early morning hours, a few times past midnight but mostly between 6:30pm-8pm, as I am on my way to pick up my children and return home. I have noticed different women on the same day both directions. The women I have seen past midnight have been in pairs or with groups, I have not noticed any wandering late at night alone. Remember, the November 13th attempt was early evening (news reports state anywhere between 5p-6p)... these women need to be aware at all hours. There are many jobs in Reno that do not have set schedules, hours and days off are set weekly. If he truly is an opportunist I believe he is spending a lot of time at any hour waiting. [/*]

I agree.......and I agree that no matter what the time, women should always be aware of their surroundings and the people around them - case in point, Kelsey Smith - broad daylight and crowded parking lot -not that it could have been avoided the way he blindsided her, but she may have seen him running at her or something. It's never a good idea to be listening to music so that you can't even hear what's going on around you or walking alone oblivious to those around you. I don't understand that, especially now of all times.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by wandering
That sounds like undercover. No young woman in her right mind would be walking around alone there. :chicken: [/*]

You'd certainly think not! I know I certainly wouldn't and ITA with the :chicken: Me too!

[silex]

Originally posted by butterfly28


Welcome! :seeya:

Today after work I picked my son up and we went to the park near UNR. I too noticed a couple of girls walking around alone. One was on a cell phone, not paying attention to anything and the other had sunglasses on and just looked straight ahead. Maybe I am paranoid but I am always looking over my shoulder now! I do not understand how anyone could still have the attitude that they are invincible. :shrug: Very sad and frustrating. We are making it too easy for attackers!!

On a side note, I drove by the house on Mackay Court where Bri was taken from. Thankfully every window and that front door had blinds/curtains so you could no longer see inside (although too little too late). But I was surprised to see 2 cars in the driveway. I assumed the roommates would have moved out (at least the girls) and maybe they have but it definitely looked liked someone lived there still. [/*]

Thank you for the welcome. I don't think you are paranoid. I have lived here all my life and this has definitely been the most creeped out I have felt. This is the first time I have ever felt uncomfortable while driving down Sierra St. I did notice last week the windows on Mackay Ct. were covered, about 3 weeks ago I was angry when I drove by and they weren't, I was ready to purchase blinds and drop them on the porch.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by silex


Thank you for the welcome. I don't think you are paranoid. I have lived here all my life and this has definitely been the most creeped out I have felt. This is the first time I have ever felt uncomfortable while driving down Sierra St. I did notice last week the windows on Mackay Ct. were covered, about 3 weeks ago I was angry when I drove by and they weren't, I was ready to purchase blinds and drop them on the porch. [/*]

that just floors me -if they didn't move out right away, if they were still living there, there should have been blinds up the DAY she went missing. Just knowing how I myself am, there's first of all no way I'd have spent another night in that house - but still without blinds up? Noooooooo way!!! I don't understand that, at all :confused: I wonder if it is still the same roommates living there and if it is, it's just totally beyond me how they can, how they can live there and feel safe.

[silex]

I'm not sure if anyone was living there while the windows weren't covered, I didn't see any cars parked there. The lights were on and it looked empty from Sierra St. I have not been able to brave the actual drive by to get a closer look, call me chicken. I don't even live near that area but am very diligent about making sure every blind is in place at my home now. I have three young daughters I am trying to not freak out but teach them on the side of caution through all of this.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by silex
I'm not sure if anyone was living there while the windows weren't covered, I didn't see any cars parked there. The lights were on and it looked empty from Sierra St. I have not been able to brave the actual drive by to get a closer look, call me chicken. I don't even live near that area but am very diligent about making sure every blind is in place at my home now. I have three young daughters I am trying to not freak out but teach them on the side of caution through all of this. [/*]

I would hope they've moved out - the windows being uncovered was bad, but the door being left unlocked was just awful. I don't know of ANY town anywhere where it would be considered safe to sleep on a sofa right next to an unlocked door, let alone a glass door with no coverings on it. I just can't imagine ever going to bed with my door unlocked, even if my bedroom door were locked -it's just not safe anywhere. Sadly, Brianna paid the price for that :( I know KT described it as "that's the common area and we all come and go" - from the pictures, what she's describing as the "common area" is the living room - every roomie should have had a key and if at no other time, all the doors should have been locked, at LEAST at night. I feel bad saying it, though, because what's done is done and I'm sure they know now that it wasn't wise to do - it's just very sad that that's what it took to learn the lesson. :( If the door were locked, he'd have seen her but he'd have had to at least make some noise to break in.

[silex]

I agree, doors should always be locked. I am not saying it was okay for that house to be unlocked under any circumstance, however, I did notice in the AMW footage they showed the bedroom doors and they appeared to be the heavy duty doors with deadbolts. Maybe that is why they felt safe. I don't know if he would have broken in, I think he was in the house when they returned. Maybe casing the girls coming and going from the party, noticed Jessica return home, watched as she "didn't" lock the door, waited until she went to bed and probably targeted her, only to find her door locked. Bri and KT return, he's in the house, and Bri becomes his target. Purely speculation on my part, with a lot of holes. I hate that this has happened, and I hate that they haven't apprehended this monster yet.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by silex
I agree, doors should always be locked. I am not saying it was okay for that house to be unlocked under any circumstance, however, I did notice in the AMW footage they showed the bedroom doors and they appeared to be the heavy duty doors with deadbolts. Maybe that is why they felt safe. I don't know if he would have broken in, I think he was in the house when they returned. Maybe casing the girls coming and going from the party, noticed Jessica return home, watched as she "didn't" lock the door, waited until she went to bed and probably targeted her, only to find her door locked. Bri and KT return, he's in the house, and Bri becomes his target. Purely speculation on my part, with a lot of holes. I hate that this has happened, and I hate that they haven't apprehended this monster yet. [/*]

I didn't realize their bedroom doors were the heavy duty ones with deadbolts, I was thinking a normal (fairly flimsy) bedroom door with the useless locks. That's more understandable - but with her sleeping on the couch, the door should have been locked. Though it's not fair of me, really, to say that because I remember being 19 and coming home after a night of partying and I may have done the same thing, not even thought about the door being locked when I'm there with 3 other girls in the house (or was it 2?), it's already 4:30 and we'll all be getting up in a few hours. I have a feeling, with the roomie's DNA being on the undies found with her body, that you may very well be right, that he was in the house, stealing their underwear....although if that were the case,I'd think he'd have grabbed the girl that returned home first - or he entered the house after she went to bed. So many possible scenarios. It makes me sick that the POS is out there walking around, watching the news and feeling very satisfied with himself that he *thinks* he got away with it. They'll get him, I just hope it's before he harms someone else. It's coming up on 2 months since he murdered Bri and his impulses are bound to take over soon :(

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by silex


I hate that this has happened, and I hate that they haven't apprehended this monster yet. [/*]

I understand and I feel the same way. This city has not been the same since. I never feel safe anymore even during the day. This was a reminder that it does happen close to home and it can happen to anyone. :(

Everyday I hope it is the day he will be caught.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28


I understand and I feel the same way. This city has not been the same since. I never feel safe anymore even during the day. This was a reminder that it does happen close to home and it can happen to anyone. :(

Everyday I hope it is the day he will be caught. [/*]

:( I feel so bad for those of you living there....that one scumbag can affect so many lives and have so many in fear. I would be terrified if I lived in that area. He needs to be caught so HE can know what fear feels like. I can't print here what I'd like to see done with him when he is caught. Bri needs justice, and the city needs justice and to be able to begin to heal.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Though it's not fair of me, really, to say that because I remember being 19 and coming home after a night of partying and I may have done the same thing, not even thought about the door being locked when I'm there with 3 other girls in the house (or was it 2?), it's already 4:30 and we'll all be getting up in a few hours.

[/*]

I can relate as well as a lot of people I am sure. And having lived in that area while in my early 20's, I spent many nights partying myself. My thought would have been that at 4:30 the sun would be up in a couple hours and once we were home we could consider ourselves safe. It is not a bad area by UNR.

However times are changing and people need to wake up. We need to start being responsible for our safety and be extra aware and diligent. It is unfortunate that this is the world we have to live in and I am terrified having to raise my son in this world but it is better to be aware instead of hiding your head in the stand. Being young can no longer be an excuse. Too many good young people are getting cheated out of their lives.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28


I can relate as well as a lot of people I am sure. And having lived in that area while in my early 20's, I spent many nights partying myself. My thought would have been that at 4:30 the sun would be up in a couple hours and once we were home we could consider ourselves safe. It is not a bad area by UNR.

However times are changing and people need to wake up. We need to start being responsible for our safety and be extra aware and diligent. It is unfortunate that this is the world we have to live in and I am terrified having to raise my son in this world but it is better to be aware instead of hiding your head in the stand. Being young can no longer be an excuse. Too many good young people are getting cheated out of their lives. [/*]

Sadly, very true. I did a LOT of very stupid things when I was that age, very stupid, that could have easily ended up very badly for me. When I look back on it, I'm grateful that I was so lucky. At that age, I had the "bad things happen to other people" attitude and I was very trusting of other people - hey, we're all out partying, we're all having fun, no-one's going to hurt me, it's all a big party. That attitude certainly wasn't safe then, and it's much less safe now.

[silex]

Originally posted by Rosieo


:( I feel so bad for those of you living there....that one scumbag can affect so many lives and have so many in fear. I would be terrified if I lived in that area. He needs to be caught so HE can know what fear feels like. I can't print here what I'd like to see done with him when he is caught. Bri needs justice, and the city needs justice and to be able to begin to heal. [/*]

I keep hoping it's going to be a "Reno Redneck" that finds him first. They'll do to him what LE can't legally do. It angers me the affect this has had on my girls. Having to answer the questions "Mommy, what does it mean to be strangled?" "What does it mean to be raped?" they know now and are aware. Okay, I better get off here before I start venting. Thank you, posting here has been a positive release long over due. Stay safe.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by silex


I keep hoping it's going to be a "Reno Redneck" that finds him first. They'll do to him what LE can't legally do.

YES - that would be perfect. I would LOVE to see that happen. Take his arse out in a field and have at him.


It angers me the affect this has had on my girls. Having to answer the questions "Mommy, what does it mean to be strangled?" "What does it mean to be raped?" they know now and are aware. Okay, I better get off here before I start venting. Thank you, posting here has been a positive release long over due. Stay safe. [/*]

Awwww.....that is so sad that they even need to know about those things :( Vent away, that's what we're here for. I hope you continue posting, it's nice to have perspective from those of you that live there.

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by silex


I keep hoping it's going to be a "Reno Redneck" that finds him first. They'll do to him what LE can't legally do. It angers me the affect this has had on my girls. Having to answer the questions "Mommy, what does it mean to be strangled?" "What does it mean to be raped?" they know now and are aware. Okay, I better get off here before I start venting. Thank you, posting here has been a positive release long over due. Stay safe. [/*]

Most people would love to have this person feel the terror and pain he seems to enjoy inflicting on others. I know I would. That is hard to admit because I believe it is important not to become what we are fighting against. I am thankful I'm not like him but his selfish, evil behavior brings out the worst in us as well. Most of us can't imagine that a short "pleasure" is worth another person's life, or the lifetime of pain Bri's mother must endure. That speaks to the sheer narcissism of this monster. Other people are seen as objects for him to use, as a means to an end. The amazing thing is that he can blend in with the rest of us and somehow hide the fact. However, he can't hide it all the time. He will let his guard down and say or do something that seems strange to someone else. Anyone who knows him well knows there is something "missing" within him. They need to come forward and not worry about being wrong.

[omsk99]

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JACLYN O'MALLEY
RENO GAZETTE-JOURNAL
Posted: 3/12/2008


John Walsh, host of "America's Most Wanted" television show and civilian crime fighter spoke Tuesday morning with the Reno Gazette-Journal.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/newreply.php?action=newreply&threadid=325952

[hondarooly]

I have a question for the locals....

What type of coverage was there in the area about the previous rapes? I mean coverage and warnings before Brianna went missing. TV? Posters? Reno Gazzette?

I'm just thinking if there was better coverage of the rapes the girls would have been more aware about locking their doors.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99
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JACLYN O'MALLEY
RENO GAZETTE-JOURNAL
Posted: 3/12/2008


John Walsh, host of "America's Most Wanted" television show and civilian crime fighter spoke Tuesday morning with the Reno Gazette-Journal.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/newreply.php?action=newreply&threadid=325952 [/*]

Someone does have to know him - the description, the description of his clothes, the description of the truck, the shaved pubic area - someone HAS to know someone who matches that description. There may be a very frightened wife or SO not wanting to come forward, but a friend, an acquaintance HAS to be thinking "hey, so-and-so fits that description and he does have a shirt and pants like that"....they'll get the right tip eventually. I feel in my heart that they are going to get him, I just wish it wasn't taking so long :(

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan


Most people would love to have this person feel the terror and pain he seems to enjoy inflicting on others. I know I would. That is hard to admit because I believe it is important not to become what we are fighting against. I am thankful I'm not like him but his selfish, evil behavior brings out the worst in us as well. Most of us can't imagine that a short "pleasure" is worth another person's life, or the lifetime of pain Bri's mother must endure. That speaks to the sheer narcissism of this monster. Other people are seen as objects for him to use, as a means to an end. The amazing thing is that he can blend in with the rest of us and somehow hide the fact. However, he can't hide it all the time. He will let his guard down and say or do something that seems strange to someone else. Anyone who knows him well knows there is something "missing" within him. They need to come forward and not worry about being wrong. [/*]

Well said.....and they shouldn't worry about being wrong, since they can call in a tip anonymously - they could check the guy out and if they're wrong, nothing gained, nothing lost. Every normal person must want to see justice done and if a wife or SO is holding back, it must occur to her that she could be next to be found in a field.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by hondarooly
I have a question for the locals....

What type of coverage was there in the area about the previous rapes? I mean coverage and warnings before Brianna went missing. TV? Posters? Reno Gazzette?

I'm just thinking if there was better coverage of the rapes the girls would have been more aware about locking their doors. [/*]

I do not watch the local news but there were articles in the the local paper (the Reno Gazette Journal) after the first 2 attacks.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by TwoFour
So far the " perp" is still free , is that correct? [/*]

Unfortunately, yes :mad:

[omsk99]

Originally posted by TwoFour


He must be smarter than the media was giving him credit for. He has probably moved somewhere new by now. jmo [/*]

Or just really lucky. They did say they have a reason to believe he is still in the local area, I just wonder what that reason might be. Hope not another victim :mad:

[osubbfan]

TwoFour- what is the comment under "location" (on your personal info) in regard to?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by herlock h.


Yes, I thought the same and posted almost identically way back near the beginning. I guess great minds think alike!:D

I look forward to the day when this creep is caught. It's very sad indeed.

Herlock [/*]
I remember that herlock! :) I think he might even been self-employed like in construction or something since I remember one report of him having "tanned arms" which in December would seem he had worked outdoors during the summer/fall.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by wandering
That's why I think he could be a waiter, or a dealer in the casino. Moreso a dealer, they don't get much exercise, just sit/stand there and deal. Could be a bartender, too.

I do think he's a night bird, and two of his attacks were on a Monday and a Wednesday, slow nights for partying. [/*]
That could be too. I just posted to herlock that he could've worked outside during the summer, but he could also have had a night job. The victim said he didn't smell of smoke or alcohol though so is there no longer any smoking inside casinos? If there is he'd pick up the odor just being around it, imo.

[Politigal]

I still feel that there is some level of familiarity - either he knows one of the males who lived there & knew they would be gone that evening, or he lives across the street (where the other attack took place.)

If he lives across the street at 401 College, he could simply have dragged her across the road to his apartment or forced her across the street. I imagine traffic at 4:30 in the morning would have been next to nothing.

IMO, the blood on the pillow shows that he probably slugged her in the face, and that definitely would have made her a little more compliant, IMO.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Politigal
I still feel that there is some level of familiarity - either he knows one of the males who lived there & knew they would be gone that evening, or he lives across the street (where the other attack took place.)

If he lives across the street at 401 College, he could simply have dragged her across the road to his apartment or forced her across the street. I imagine traffic at 4:30 in the morning would have been next to nothing.

IMO, the blood on the pillow shows that he probably slugged her in the face, and that definitely would have made her a little more compliant, IMO. [/*]
I thought of that too, that he'd hit her there on the sofa to cause her to bleed on the pillow. I don't see him as physically large in stature so he'd have to incapacitate her to be in control while taking her from the house. I also think there's a possibility she was taken out the back door.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by sunstar

That could be too. I just posted to herlock that he could've worked outside during the summer, but he could also have had a night job. The victim said he didn't smell of smoke or alcohol though so is there no longer any smoking inside casinos? If there is he'd pick up the odor just being around it, imo. [/*]

They have passed laws so you cannot smoke in restaurants anymore but you can still smoke in casinos in Reno. Very true that you cannot walk through a casino without getting the smell on you. I thought the casino worker idea was excellent because of the hours and with so many casinos in Reno. Maybe he showers before he goes out so he does not smell like smoke.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by butterfly28


They have passed laws so you cannot smoke in restaurants anymore but you can still smoke in casinos in Reno. Very true that you cannot walk through a casino without getting the smell on you. I thought the casino worker idea was excellent because of the hours and with so many casinos in Reno. Maybe he showers before he goes out so he does not smell like smoke. [/*]
I too think it's a good idea ~ just wondered about the smoke and thanks for answering! Would they work something like a 3-11pm shift or could he get off work later, like in early morning?

[silex]

I feel he was already in the house when Bri returned. Possibly hiding in a closet, laundry room, pantry... she may have seen him. There is a mention of her blanket found in the kitchen. Also, the day LE informed all, the body was Brianna, they also asked the public to keep an eye out for the teddy bear, as well as a 3-4 inch knife. The knife has not been mentioned since, nor can I find anything in media about it. I was watching the news with a friend and we were like hmm, could be from the kitchen and explain Bri's blood on the pillow. I have searched our local news archives and can't find it anywhere. They found more with her body that is not being disclosed, stating only the perp and LE know. Local media (channel 4) also aired once from the field the day her body was found that someone there watching saw what looked like a child car seat cover being removed. Again, information aired once and then pulled from media coverage. He could be a postman, work for a utility company. The weather in Reno was pretty mild through November. He could have a motorcycle and rode around w/short sleeves during the late summer, early fall months... not unheard of around here. It can be anyone, which creeps me out.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by silex
I feel he was already in the house when Bri returned. Possibly hiding in a closet, laundry room, pantry... she may have seen him. There is a mention of her blanket found in the kitchen. Also, the day LE informed all, the body was Brianna, they also asked the public to keep an eye out for the teddy bear, as well as a 3-4 inch knife. The knife has not been mentioned since, nor can I find anything in media about it. I was watching the news with a friend and we were like hmm, could be from the kitchen and explain Bri's blood on the pillow. I have searched our local news archives and can't find it anywhere. They found more with her body that is not being disclosed, stating only the perp and LE know. Local media (channel 4) also aired once from the field the day her body was found that someone there watching saw what looked like a child car seat cover being removed. Again, information aired once and then pulled from media coverage. He could be a postman, work for a utility company. The weather in Reno was pretty mild through November. He could have a motorcycle and rode around w/short sleeves during the late summer, early fall months... not unheard of around here. It can be anyone, which creeps me out. [/*]

Wow, I hadn't heard about the knife - interesting- the blanket in the kitchen puzzles me. I'd thought maybe after she texted her BF, she might have gone into the kitchen with her blanket wrapped around her and encountered him there, but that wouldn't explain the blood on her pillow. I wonder if the roomies have mentioned a knife missing from the kitchen at all? The child carseat cover, if true, with the baby shoe on the floor of the truck, maybe the car seat was in the truck and got blood on it, so he left it with her :::shudder:::: The thought that this *man* has a child really, really frightens me. Good point on the motorcycle, that could be. Also, if he were a postman, especially in that area, that would certainly explain his knowing that area, and possibly that house, well. When he is caught, it may very well be someone that no-one would ever in a million years suspect :(

[silex]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Wow, I hadn't heard about the knife - interesting- the blanket in the kitchen puzzles me. I'd thought maybe after she texted her BF, she might have gone into the kitchen with her blanket wrapped around her and encountered him there, but that wouldn't explain the blood on her pillow. I wonder if the roomies have mentioned a knife missing from the kitchen at all? The child carseat cover, if true, with the baby shoe on the floor of the truck, maybe the car seat was in the truck and got blood on it, so he left it with her :::shudder:::: The thought that this *man* has a child really, really frightens me. Good point on the motorcycle, that could be. Also, if he were a postman, especially in that area, that would certainly explain his knowing that area, and possibly that house, well. When he is caught, it may very well be someone that no-one would ever in a million years suspect :( [/*]
Everyone keeps saying someone knows him. I question that, maybe he really isn't known or noticed, that's why nobody has come forward... he could be a total introvert. Very low self esteem and confidence. The act of raping makes him feel noticed, powerful, in control... when in reality he is a loner with nothing. He may have a child, but not custody of the child, possibly visitation.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by silex

Everyone keeps saying someone knows him. I question that, maybe he really isn't known or noticed, that's why nobody has come forward... he could be a total introvert. Very low self esteem and confidence. The act of raping makes him feel noticed, powerful, in control... when in reality he is a loner with nothing. He may have a child, but not custody of the child, possibly visitation. [/*]

That could be, that he's a loner, but still you'd think someone knows someone that has clothes fitting the description, something. I get ideas in my head which of course could be and probably are totally off base, but I keep thinking he may likely be someone well known and well liked and respected in the community- someone no-one would ever, ever suspect - maybe someone with clothes fitting that description but everyone who knows him would laugh at the very thought that it could ever be him - that it being him is such an absurd thought they'd be embarrassed to even call in a tip. Just a thought I've had, but of course, I may be way wrong. I hope and pray that if he does have a child, that's true, that he doesn't have custody - even visititation, if not supervised, makes me shudder. But again, he could be a model husband and father, totally respectable job, well liked by neighbors and friends, outgoing, friendly - someone who no-one would ever suspect. It sure will be interesting to see who exactly the POS is, when they catch him - not if - but when.

[silex]

Originally posted by Rosieo


That could be, that he's a loner, but still you'd think someone knows someone that has clothes fitting the description, something. I get ideas in my head which of course could be and probably are totally off base, but I keep thinking he may likely be someone well known and well liked and respected in the community- someone no-one would ever, ever suspect - maybe someone with clothes fitting that description but everyone who knows him would laugh at the very thought that it could ever be him - that it being him is such an absurd thought they'd be embarrassed to even call in a tip. Just a thought I've had, but of course, I may be way wrong. I hope and pray that if he does have a child, that's true, that he doesn't have custody - even visititation, if not supervised, makes me shudder. But again, he could be a model husband and father, totally respectable job, well liked by neighbors and friends, outgoing, friendly - someone who no-one would ever suspect. It sure will be interesting to see who exactly the POS is, when they catch him - not if - but when. [/*]
His clothing is not uncommon to me. Reno is very casual, men are always wearing work out pants and soccer type shirts, they are everywhere. Even the ones you know aren't athletic dress like that. If I had a dollar for every man I see with chin hair 1/2 inch in length, I could quit my job. My brother made a comment that all of his friends including himself fit that description. This POS most distinguishing feature to me would be the long face with square chin. If he does have a SO she'd know the pubic region.
If he is well known, liked and respected
he'd have a lot of friends and attention... one of those people I would hope would have come forward by now.
I'm not sure, I have many different theories and think often that I am way off base. I know they will catch him, and yes it will be interesting to find out who he is.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by silex

His clothing is not uncommon to me. Reno is very casual, men are always wearing work out pants and soccer type shirts, they are everywhere. Even the ones you know aren't athletic dress like that. If I had a dollar for every man I see with chin hair 1/2 inch in length, I could quit my job. My brother made a comment that all of his friends including himself fit that description. This POS most distinguishing feature to me would be the long face with square chin. If he does have a SO she'd know the pubic region.

I guess I am reaching then to think someone may think "hmmmmm....Joe has a red shirt and pants like that, a truck with a red and blue readout, and 1/2" chin hair - wonder where he was on the 20th?" From the sounds of it, half of Reno would be suspect then.....but, yes, if he has an SO, I would think all of that AND the shaved pubic region would at least make her go "hmmmm". Wishful thinking.


If he is well known, liked and respected
he'd have a lot of friends and attention... one of those people I would hope would have come forward by now.
I'm not sure, I have many different theories and think often that I am way off base. I know they will catch him, and yes it will be interesting to find out who he is. [/*]

I hope when they do catch him, we also find out exactly what happened, but short of a full confession, that's not likely. I don't mean exactly what happened in terms of what he did to her, etc. - I mean in terms of what prompted him to choose that house and how he took her without the dog barking, etc. I really feel in my heart that they are going to get him.

[silex]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I hope when they do catch him, we also find out exactly what happened, but short of a full confession, that's not likely. I don't mean exactly what happened in terms of what he did to her, etc. - I mean in terms of what prompted him to choose that house and how he took her without the dog barking, etc. I really feel in my heart that they are going to get him. [/*]
I feel strongly that he will be caught. I don't think he can control the impulse of being in control of these women, feeling like a "BIG" man. He's weak in his mind and when he does make an appearance he will be caught.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by silex

I feel strongly that he will be caught. I don't think he can control the impulse of being in control of these women, feeling like a "BIG" man. He's weak in his mind and when he does make an appearance he will be caught. [/*]

I can't wait until someone shows him how *big* he is. He's nothing but a weak little coward - grabbing tiny little women from behind and in their sleep. someday, *Bubba* will grab him from behind and in his sleep and he won't feel like such a big man any more.

[silex]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I can't wait until someone shows him how *big* he is. He's nothing but a weak little coward - grabbing tiny little women from behind and in their sleep. someday, *Bubba* will grab him from behind and in his sleep and he won't feel like such a big man any more. [/*]
Ha, you made me smile with that. Thanks.
Any future tiny women need to know this coward is a chicken, he ran away when his November victim screamed and kicked him. If he ever gets close again they HAVE to do the same.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by silex

Ha, you made me smile with that. Thanks.

:)

Any future tiny women need to know this coward is a chicken, he ran away when his November victim screamed and kicked him. If he ever gets close again they HAVE to do the same. [/*]

Exactly - NOT fighting will get them raped or killed. Wishful thinking again, but it would be so nice if he did grab his next victim and she turned around and kicked the *hit out of him and held him down until LE got there. One good swift kick to his baby butt smooth groin to send him to his knees and then kick him in the face. I'd pay for tickets to that show.

[omsk99]

You are all right, I just want him to be caught, and I still grieve for Brianna, even though I never knew her personally.

:rose: :rose: :rose:

[Maelstrom5]

Hi all,

On MySpace today there is a video about Brianna being posted. It is for the most part correct but had the misinformation about the DNA found on the black "Pink Panther" thong. I reposted the video but noted the correct information about the DNA as well as the fact two pair of underwear were found.

I got a reply from one of my MySpace friends. I felt you may be interested in reading it.

"My cousin fits this guys description and lives in the same neighborhood as where this happened. He had to go submit DNA for it. Thank God it came back as not him, but it is scary. I mean the family all said no, but still it is scary thinking really it could be anybody!"

As you can see from my friends note, while there may be nothing new in the press, it does not mean they are not working hard to catch this guy.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by TwoFour


I don't know if that's a good idea, I think that if she kicked him in the groin he would be even more angry and make sure she suffered in her death more than she did . I know as a guy that I would never hit a woman unless she hit me there then I would make sure I took her front teeth out with a hit. JMO [/*]

I would still do it- if he grabs me and I know he means to rape or kill me, I'm not going without a fight - and it would, hopefully, render him incapacitated long enough for me to get away.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Hi all,

On MySpace today there is a video about Brianna being posted. It is for the most part correct but had the misinformation about the DNA found on the black "Pink Panther" thong. I reposted the video but noted the correct information about the DNA as well as the fact two pair of underwear were found.

I got a reply from one of my MySpace friends. I felt you may be interested in reading it.

"My cousin fits this guys description and lives in the same neighborhood as where this happened. He had to go submit DNA for it. Thank God it came back as not him, but it is scary. I mean the family all said no, but still it is scary thinking really it could be anybody!"

As you can see from my friends note, while there may be nothing new in the press, it does not mean they are not working hard to catch this guy. [/*]

Thank you for that info, Maelstrom - it is good to know they're on it and not just letting it die down.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by TwoFour


Holloway case, not this one. [/*]

That's your opinion of the Holloway case, that he should bear no responsibility? I'll refrain from comment on that. :cuss:

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by TwoFour


I don't know if that's a good idea, I think that if she kicked him in the groin he would be even more angry and make sure she suffered in her death more than she did. I know as a guy that I would never hit a woman unless she hit me there then I would make sure I took her front teeth out with a hit. JMO [/*]

Sorry, but that makes absolutely no sense. If I have a choice of possibly escaping, dying a horrible death or dying a "kinda" horrible death then I'm trying to escape. A woman should make as much noise as possible and fight as hard as she can. She should do everything she can to keep him from taking her to a place where he would have complete control over her. I'll be damned if I would cooperate with this SOB...

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan


Sorry, but that makes absolutely no sense. If I have a choice of possibly escaping, dying a horrible death or dying a "kinda" horrible death then I'm trying to escape. A woman should make as much noise as possible and fight as hard as she can. She should do everything she can to keep him from taking her to a place where he would have complete control over her. I'll be damned if I would cooperate with this SOB... [/*]

My feelings exactly. That is one thing I've always heard - never, ever let them take you to a second location. I'm not going to worry about making him mad - if he grabbed me, he means to do me harm and I'm going to fight like hell. I'm not going to be compliant and hope he'll let me go.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rosieo


My feelings exactly. That is one thing I've always heard - never, ever let them take you to a second location. I'm not going to worry about making him mad - if he grabbed me, he means to do me harm and I'm going to fight like hell. I'm not going to be compliant and hope he'll let me go. [/*]

Sometimes it doesn't matter, what , matters is where you are and who is around if anyone.

IMO Your post was a VERY bad call.

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by omsk99


Sometimes it doesn't matter, what , matters is where you are and who is around if anyone.

IMO Your post was a VERY bad call. [/*]

I can't think of too many situations where it wouldn't be to your benefit to make noise. If he is trying to take you from a parking lot to somewhere deserted then it is for no good. If he is going to kill me then let him do it where there might be witnesses. EVERY "stranger danger" class I've attended has said to make as much noise as possible. I'm not going to take the risk that he "just" going to rape and beat the crap out of me then maybe let me go.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by osubbfan


I can't think of too many situations where it wouldn't be to your benefit to make noise. If he is trying to take you from a parking lot to somewhere deserted then it is for no good. If he is going to kill me then let him do it where there might be witnesses. EVERY "stranger danger" class I've attended has said to make as much noise as possible. I'm not going to take the risk that he "just" going to rape and beat the crap out of me then maybe let me go. [/*]

The sad thing is that I think Brianna tried to make a noise, and that's why they found her mucus and the stuffed bear gone :(

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by omsk99


The sad thing is that I think Brianna tried to make a noise, and that's why they found her mucus and the stuffer bear gone :( [/*]

That is one possibility but I have to wonder if the outcome would have been any different if she hadn't? The Nov. victim was able to scare him off....you make your choices and take your chances. Me..I'm going down fighting.

[omsk99]

The genetic material found on undergarments matches the slain SBCC student, suspect


The Reno Valley Police announced Thursday that it found two pairs of underwear-not one-at the scene where when City College student Brianna Denison's body was found Feb. 15.

Police released new information Thursday that the second pair of underwear, described as pink, contains DNA from Denison and the murder suspect, and that the underwear belongs to the woman who lives in the house from which Denison was abducted.

The first pair police released information on are black with the "Pink Panther" cartoon character and pink hearts. It contains DNA of an unknown man and unknown woman, said Robert McDonald, head of the Detective Division for the Reno Police Department.

Lt. McDonald said he was sure the underwear was left by the murderer.

"We don't know if he left it on purpose," McDonald said. "Either way, it's the fact that there's a woman out there that's missing a piece of underwear."

The underwear could have been taken by a husband, boyfriend, a one night stand encounter, or a laundromat, McDonald said.

"It is very important they find out how the suspect came in contact with the underwear,"McDonald said.

According to the Reno Gazette-Journal, the Reno Police Detective Commander Leigha Struffert said the details of the pink underwear were not released to the public so they could undergo further investigation.

Struffert said two women and two men live in the house on McKay Court in Reno, where Denison was abducted, the Reno Gazette-Journal reported.

One of the women from the house where Denison was abducted claimed the pink underwear as hers. The Reno Valley Police are keeping her anonymous. Investigators have no idea how her underwear got to the scene and there are no signs of burglary at the home.

"Our hope is to get information from the girl that owns the [black] underwear," McDonald said. "We're asking anyone to come forward to help prevent it from happening in the future."

The City of Reno has provided a Web site dedicated to Denison's investigation with updates.

"America's Most Wanted" will be posting a video on "YouTube" featuring its broadcasts on the case. Anyone with information is urged to call the 24-hour Denison tip line at (775) 745-3521 or Secret Witness at 322-4900.

Click play to see "America's Most Wanted" broadcast of Brianna Denison's murder and the search for her killer.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99


Sometimes it doesn't matter, what , matters is where you are and who is around if anyone.

IMO Your post was a VERY bad call. [/*]

MY post was? Just my opinion and what I[/*] personally would do. Everyone has an idea of what they'd do in that situation and I'm not suggesting that's what everyone should do - I personally would fight like hell.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan


I can't think of too many situations where it wouldn't be to your benefit to make noise. If he is trying to take you from a parking lot to somewhere deserted then it is for no good. If he is going to kill me then let him do it where there might be witnesses. EVERY "stranger danger" class I've attended has said to make as much noise as possible. I'm not going to take the risk that he "just" going to rape and beat the crap out of me then maybe let me go. [/*]

Totally agree with you!

[Rick777]

I just can't help thinking there is some connection to one of the people inside the house. Whether it's a friend, an aquaintance, whatever. Sometimes the truth is right under everyone's nose.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Rick777
I just can't help thinking there is some connection to one of the people inside the house. Whether it's a friend, an aquaintance, whatever. Sometimes the truth is right under everyone's nose. [/*]

Very possible ----

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Hi all,

On MySpace today there is a video about Brianna being posted. It is for the most part correct but had the misinformation about the DNA found on the black "Pink Panther" thong. I reposted the video but noted the correct information about the DNA as well as the fact two pair of underwear were found.

I got a reply from one of my MySpace friends. I felt you may be interested in reading it.

"My cousin fits this guys description and lives in the same neighborhood as where this happened. He had to go submit DNA for it. Thank God it came back as not him, but it is scary. I mean the family all said no, but still it is scary thinking really it could be anybody!"

As you can see from my friends note, while there may be nothing new in the press, it does not mean they are not working hard to catch this guy. [/*]

Thank you for letting us know. That is positive news. I think something will come of this soon!!

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by TwoFour


I don't know if that's a good idea, I think that if she kicked him in the groin he would be even more angry and make sure she suffered in her death more than she did . I know as a guy that I would never hit a woman unless she hit me there then I would make sure I took her front teeth out with a hit. JMO [/*]

I disagree. As women we are told to fight as hard as we can against an abductor and I would do nothing but that.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Rosieo


My feelings exactly. That is one thing I've always heard - never, ever let them take you to a second location. I'm not going to worry about making him mad - if he grabbed me, he means to do me harm and I'm going to fight like hell. I'm not going to be compliant and hope he'll let me go. [/*]

Absolutely!!

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Rick777
I just can't help thinking there is some connection to one of the people inside the house. Whether it's a friend, an aquaintance, whatever. Sometimes the truth is right under everyone's nose. [/*]

I would not be shocked if this turns out to be the case. It is one of many likely possibilities IMO.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by osubbfan


I can't think of too many situations where it wouldn't be to your benefit to make noise. If he is trying to take you from a parking lot to somewhere deserted then it is for no good. If he is going to kill me then let him do it where there might be witnesses. EVERY "stranger danger" class I've attended has said to make as much noise as possible. I'm not going to take the risk that he "just" going to rape and beat the crap out of me then maybe let me go. [/*]

Hi osubbfan,

I have been following the back and fourth debate over what you should do if you were to find yourself attacked.

I agree with you, virtually all the information I have read or lecturers I have seen suggest that you should make noise, strike back and then flee. Your odds of being not only a rape victim but a murder victim as well go up considerably if you get or are forced into a car/van/truck.

As far a swift kick to his privates goes.. go for it , he will not be hitting you in the face as was suggested earlier, he will be on the ground holding his groin. Any guy that tells you different is blowing smoke.

[Maelstrom5]

Backlogged DNA did not yield results in Denison case · The Washoe County crime lab has sent almost 3000 backlogged criminal DNA samples for testing over the ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23619270/

[Rick777]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
started out as a burglar...He may even have a burglary conviction/served time for it and other property crimes as well and this is simply a progression from burglary to rape and murder.The underwear is from one of his previous burglaries..he breaks into homes and steals the woman's clothing......so the underwear per se has nothing to do with the crime other than the perp stole it somewhere and used it as part of his fantasy/trophies. [/*]


I think thats VERY possible. If someone would claim the UW, then they can trace burglaries in a certain area, etc.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rosieo


MY post was? Just my opinion and what I[/*] personally would do. Everyone has an idea of what they'd do in that situation and I'm not suggesting that's what everyone should do - I personally would fight like hell. [/*]

Sorry, Rosieo, I didn't mean to offend you. I just think we can't criticize Brianna's actions because we don't know the circumstances. Perhaps he knocked her out right away and she couldn't fight back or scream, I am sure she would have if she could. :(

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
because:

A) She was drunk.
*) She was drugged.
C) as the last poster said she was drugged/knocked out by the perp.

of course we don't know what the autopsy details are to any degree. I assume the body was intact but if the perp used a needle to inject her would the ME have seen the needle mark ? I doubt the complete tox report for the autopsy is even back.I used to work in a tox lab a long time ago .There are some things that won't show up unless you are specifially looking for it and test for it.It simply won't show up on a routine screen. [/*]

I tend to believe he knocked her out or maybe used chloroform, because they found her blood and mucus on her pillow. She probably was intoxicated as well, even if not drunk, so there could have been a delayed reaction.

Just too bad they still have not been able to find a DNA match, but he may not have been convicted before and they may not even have his DNA in records. If that's the case, I am afraid they will never find him since no one had come forward about the black underwear, his description or any other details. He will probably move out of state if he has not yet.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Hi osubbfan,

I have been following the back and fourth debate over what you should do if you were to find yourself attacked.

I agree with you, virtually all the information I have read or lecturers I have seen suggest that you should make noise, strike back and then flee. Your odds of being not only a rape victim but a murder victim as well go up considerably if you get or are forced into a car/van/truck.

As far a swift kick to his privates goes.. go for it , he will not be hitting you in the face as was suggested earlier, he will be on the ground holding his groin. Any guy that tells you different is blowing smoke. [/*]

AMEN!

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99


Sorry, Rosieo, I didn't mean to offend you. I just think we can't criticize Brianna's actions because we don't know the circumstances. Perhaps he knocked her out right away and she couldn't fight back or scream, I am sure she would have if she could. :( [/*]

No offense taken. I didn't mean it to sound like I was criticizing her actions - that wasn't even remotely what I meant, I was just responding to the discussion of what I would do if I were ever attacked. No way would I criticize her actions, I agree, whatever he did to her, she had no choice. I've always thought that he probably hit her in the head with something and knocked her out while she was asleep, then carried her out.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Backlogged DNA did not yield results in Denison case · The Washoe County crime lab has sent almost 3000 backlogged criminal DNA samples for testing over the ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23619270/ [/*]

Damnit - I was so hoping there would be a match :(

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99


I tend to believe he knocked her out or maybe used chloroform, because they found her blood and mucus on her pillow. She probably was intoxicated as well, even if not drunk, so there could have been a delayed reaction.

Just too bad they still have not been able to find a DNA match, but he may not have been convicted before and they may not even have his DNA in records. If that's the case, I am afraid they will never find him since no one had come forward about the black underwear, his description or any other details. He will probably move out of state if he has not yet. [/*]

I agree - there wasn't a lot of blood - maybe he slammed a chloroform soaked rag up against her face so hard it made her nose bleed, or, if he hit her on the back of the head, it could have caused a nosebleed, I think? I'm so disappointed that there was no match :( I'm hoping he may not be in a position to leave the state that quickly - i.e., if he owns a home, is married with a child, etc. without arousing suspicion. If he's a loner, he may be long gone by now :(

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rosieo


No offense taken. I didn't mean it to sound like I was criticizing her actions - that wasn't even remotely what I meant, I was just responding to the discussion of what I would do if I were ever attacked. No way would I criticize her actions, I agree, whatever he did to her, she had no choice. I've always thought that he probably hit her in the head with something and knocked her out while she was asleep, then carried her out. [/*]

I agree with you. And I am so frustrated and mad that n DNA match has been found. I am just afraid they don't have his DNA in their records, and that would make it so difficult to find him; after all this time no one has come forward with any info.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I agree - there wasn't a lot of blood - maybe he slammed a chloroform soaked rag up against her face so hard it made her nose bleed, or, if he hit her on the back of the head, it could have caused a nosebleed, I think? I'm so disappointed that there was no match :( I'm hoping he may not be in a position to leave the state that quickly - i.e., if he owns a home, is married with a child, etc. without arousing suspicion. If he's a loner, he may be long gone by now :( [/*]

I am with you. I hope he is not a loner, after all there was a baby shoe in his car. Even if he is not married, it seems he has a child, so the mother might get suspicious if he suddenly moves out of town or state. And LE said they have a reason to believe he is still in the area (I wonder what reason that is, though).

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99


I agree with you. And I am so frustrated and mad that n DNA match has been found. I am just afraid they don't have his DNA in their records, and that would make it so difficult to find him; after all this time no one has come forward with any info. [/*]

It is very frustrating :( They did say they've had a lot of tips, though, and my hope is that they're still working through all those tips and that one of them will be THE one. The important thing, I think, is to keep it out there, on the news and on AMW - if it's allowed to fade into the background, I'm afraid it will never go anywhere - if it stays out there, tips may continue to come in. Something will eventually "click" for someone that will call in. I'm so glad that John Walsh has been covering it - so many people outside of Reno have probably not even heard of her case, except a passing blurb. There's never anything at all on our news about it - only when she went missing and when she was found and that was it. Not even the underwear info.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99


I am with you. I hope he is not a loner, after all there was a baby shoe in his car. Even if he is not married, it seems he has a child, so the mother might get suspicious if he suddenly moves out of town or state. And LE said they have a reason to believe he is still in the area (I wonder what reason that is, though). [/*]

that's what I'm hoping also, that he has ties or connections that would make it difficult for him to just up and disappear. Job, wife, ex-wife, child, homeowner.....if my husband suddenly said "Hey, I quit my job today, we're selling the house and moving" I would certainly know something was very wrong. I wondered also why they believe he's still in the area. I do believe he lives/lived in Reno - I don't know why I believe that, just intuition, I don't think he was passing through or traveled there for work.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
record it might be hard for him to get another job.Heck he might be working for his father, brother, or another relative/friend who gave him a job after he got out of jail the last time.So I think he's still there.
If he commited property crimes in the past he doesn't have a sex offender record and his dna is not in any system.
I presume he's operating under a compusion and he'll do it/try it again and we have to hope that is how he will get caught. [/*]



I have the same feelings, Atlantis.....he won't stop. He may be trying to control his compulsion, scared because that was his first murder, but I do believe he'll strike again :(

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
record it might be hard for him to get another job.Heck he might be working for his father, brother, or another relative/friend who gave him a job after he got out of jail the last time.So I think he's still there.
If he commited property crimes in the past he doesn't have a sex offender record and his dna is not in any system.
I presume he's operating under a compusion and he'll do it/try it again and we have to hope that is how he will get caught. [/*]

but if he commuted ANY crime, wouldn't his fingerprints or DNA be in the system? I am sorry, I don't much about it.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99


but if he commuted ANY crime, wouldn't his fingerprints or DNA be in the system? I am sorry, I don't much about it. [/*]

I don't think his DNA would be - I don't know a lot about it either but if I understand correctly, only felony arrests have their DNA entered. If I understood John Walsh correctly, that's what he's trying to have changed.

[osubbfan]

I want to also make sure that no one thought I was criticizing Bri's actions the morning she was abducted. I may not be the most well-mannered person around but I'm not THAT classless. First, I don't know what happened to her inside that house so how could I judge her. Secondly, while I would hope I'd fight like he11 if I was ever in that situation, in reality I don't know how I would react. We often say, "If that was me I would have..." and later find we respond in a completely different manner.

I hope she was knocked out and never regained consciousness. We may never find out for sure.

It is hard to tell when or if they will find this creep. As mentioned before, if it fades from public eye then those chances also fade. Does anyone know the solve rate for murder in Reno? I think the national average is only around 65%. We like to think we catch 'em all but obviously that isn't true. Random crimes are often the hardest, unless you get a photo of the guy like they did in the UNC case.