March 6th - 3/25

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan
I want to also make sure that no one thought I was criticizing Bri's actions the morning she was abducted. I may not be the most well-mannered person around but I'm not THAT classless. First, I don't know what happened to her inside that house so how could I judge her. Secondly, while I would hope I'd fight like he11 if I was ever in that situation, in reality I don't know how I would react. We often say, "If that was me I would have..." and later find we respond in a completely different manner.

I hope she was knocked out and never regained consciousness. We may never find out for sure.

I knew you weren't criticizing her actions...I think I was misunderstood also. I would never do that - and I know you weren't :) True also - I always say I'd fight like hell, when in reality, I might just freeze up. At a time like that you're in such shock at what's happening, all logic might fly out the window. I'm praying too that she was knocked out and never knew what was going on, or that she woke up and started fighting so hard that he strangled her, before he had a chance to do anything else. I know they said that based on the prior assaults and information from the scene, they're calling this sexually motivated, but that doesn't necessarily mean he raped her.



It is hard to tell when or if they will find this creep. As mentioned before, if it fades from public eye then those chances also fade. Does anyone know the solve rate for murder in Reno? I think the national average is only around 65%. We like to think we catch 'em all but obviously that isn't true. Random crimes are often the hardest, unless you get a photo of the guy like they did in the UNC case. [/*]

I don't know the success rate in Reno, I'd be interested in hearing that also. If this guy hadn't left his DNA all over, I'd be very leery about them ever catching him but I think that, in the end - somehow, some way, is going to be what nails him.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by TwoFour


As long as you are prepared to face the consequences, I know that if I was hit there then it would be fair game for me to do whatever I wanted in retaliation. JMO [/*]

I don't get your comment at all - it sounds like you're saying if you're abducting a woman with the intent to rape or kill her and she has the gall to fight you and kick you in the groin, you then feel justified in doing whatever you want to her in retaliation - when in reality, you were going to do whatever you wanted to her anyway - that's why you grabbed her. No woman would ever have to kick you there, if you didn't grab her and give her a reason to. :rolleyes: If you grabbed a woman, it would be safe to assume there would be consequences to face by NOT fighting, as well.....so your comment really made no sense to me.

[omsk99]

AMW has a video with all the clues now:

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=53281

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by TwoFour


As long as you are prepared to face the consequences, I know that if I was hit there then it would be fair game for me to do whatever I wanted in retaliation. JMO [/*]

I should have re-worded my reply to make it more clear - if a man ever grabs me, it's fair game for me to do whatever I want in retaliation :)

[hondarooly]

I know that some have mentioned him working for the casinos. To work at any casino in Nevada you must put your fingerprints in their data base to get the job. I am sure if any usable fingerprints were found, one of the first places they would have checked would have been that data base.

[hondarooly]

TwoFour
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Registered: Mar 2008
Location: If she drinks too much and dies than she is accountable for her own death. Quit blaming the guy.
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I don't know why anyone is responding to this poster after reading this. Does it not have a familiar ring???

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by TwoFour


Absolutely , it then becomes a winner takes all fight for both. IMO:seeya: [/*]

you sound like such a nice guy :rolleyes:

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by TwoFour


I'm speaking in general terms for any situation a woman hits a guy in the groin. For me , once that happens than she is fair game . For the killer in this case , my guess would be that he would take it up a notch for him but I have no idea. jmo [/*]

So if you punch a woman in the face and she retaliates by kicking you in the groin, she's then fair game - because she should let you punch her in the face and just do nothing. Got it. :rolleyes: Between your comments and your comment in your personal info, the last poster was right, you're not someone I have any further interest in replying to.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by TwoFour


A hit to the groin is something that changes the dynamics ....for me personally. That's all. IMO:seeya: [/*]

Then you probably should consider not giving any woman a reason to need to kick you in the groin. That's all, IMO. :seeya:

[osubbfan]

I want to also make sure that no one thought I was criticizing Bri's actions the morning she was abducted. I may not be the most well-mannered person around but I'm not THAT classless. First, I don't know what happened to her inside that house so how could I judge her. Secondly, while I would hope I'd fight like he11 if I was ever in that situation, in reality I don't know how I would react. We often say, "If that was me I would have..." and later find we respond in a completely different manner.

I hope she was knocked out and never regained consciousness. We may never find out for sure.

It is hard to tell when or if they will find this creep. As mentioned before, if it fades from public eye then those chances also fade. Does anyone know the solve rate for murder in Reno? I think the national average is only around 65%. We like to think we catch 'em all but obviously that isn't true. Random crimes are often the hardest, unless you get a photo of the guy like they did in the UNC case.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by TwoFour


There is no reason for it but there are consequences for it. imo:seeya: [/*]

You got totally off topic here and I'm not interested in a round and round discussion of what you personally would do to a woman who kicked you in the groin. Again, if a guy grabbed me and tried to abduct me, I'll take my chances by nailing him in the groin - he's going to kill me anyway, I'm not going to worry about whether I make him angry or not....you said that would kick it up a notch for you - okay, so I should not kick him in the groin and hope he'll murder me gently instead of being angry. :rolleyes: I just read some of your posts on other threads and you get the honor of being the first person I'm putting on ignore :) I always listen to my inner radar.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I don't think his DNA would be - I don't know a lot about it either but if I understand correctly, only felony arrests have their DNA entered. If I understood John Walsh correctly, that's what he's trying to have changed. [/*]

I believe this to be the case as well and that it is only certain felonies not all. At Bri's memorial Marc Klaas spoke about the importance of having more than just some offenders submit DNA. They are actively trying to get better laws passed that would require more offenders to submit DNA. Let's hope this happens soon!!

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I don't know the success rate in Reno, I'd be interested in hearing that also. If this guy hadn't left his DNA all over, I'd be very leery about them ever catching him but I think that, in the end - somehow, some way, is going to be what nails him. [/*]

Hi all,

You can't fault the Reno PD if they do not find this guy in a few weeks!

BTK; Dennis Lynn Rader, in and around Wichita, Kansas; was not apprehended until decades after he started his killing spree, and only because he re-introduced himself into the case.

Son of Sam; David Richard Berkowitz, in New York; it took months to track him down.

The hillside stranglers; Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono, in California; It took a botched double murder out of state to catch them. And even then one almost got away with it.

The Atlanta child murders in Georgia; Wayne Williams was convicted of killing 2 young men in Atlanta. Till this day not everyone is convinced he killed all 29 victims he has been accused of killing.

The Green River Killer; Gary Leon Ridgway in Washington, decades passed before DNA connected him. He confessed to 48 murders. Not everyone is sure that is the true total.

San Francisco, California’s Zodiac killer? No one has ever been charged with those murders despite all the evidence connecting them to one suspect.

The unsolved torture, mutulation, and murder of Elizabeth Short in LA.? What can I say, America’s version of Jack-The-Ripper.

A Youtube video about serial killers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNJShE8d5m0

[Rosieo]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Hi all,

You can't fault the Reno PD if they do not find this guy in a few weeks!
QUOTE]

Thanks for the video link - going to watch - I know it can take a very long time to catch him, but I really feel confident that they will. He's not very brilliant - i.e., taking the one rape victim back to her home and then trying to break in a month later - he's just lucky - so far.

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Hi all,

You can't fault the Reno PD if they do not find this guy in a few weeks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNJShE8d5m0 [/*]

I'm not sure who you think is blaming LE. I just asked about the solve rate for murder in Reno to get an idea of how their department stacks up to the national average. It is unbelievable how people get so defensive of LE on this forum. LE is no different than any other profession in that there are good ones and bad ones. They work hard, do their best but also make mistakes. They are not above criticism....although no one was even criticizing them in this instance. I think most people understand how difficult these random murders are to solve. I think you have more people wondering how someone who knows this jerk hasn't figured out how deranged he is. I mean, if you lived with this POS and paid ANY attention to the news how could you not put the vehicle, clothes and other clues together? While the clues aren't as specific as you'd like I think if my SO had those clothes, a shaved groin, a similar vehicle and was not in my presence on those dates and times then I'd be noticing. JMO.

BTW: I apologize for the double post above. I have no idea how that was double posted so much later. :confused:

[Rosieo]

I agree, Osubbfan - that is the part that has me baffled - there should have been at least one very very credible tip by now with all the info they have, I would think. Someone said that type of clothing is common there - it wasn't unusual clothing - but the description of his clothing, combined with the shaved groin area, the truck/SUV, the baby shoe and typewritten papers on the floor of the truck - all of those things combined has to be matching up for someone that knows him, IMO. Someone out there knows a guy who fits each piece of information - they have to. You'd think someone would think "Ya know, my sister's friend's friend has short chin hair, tanned arms, a shirt and pants like that and hmmmm.....he has a baby and I saw papers lying on the floor of his truck the other day - I'm going to call the anonymous tip line" If they're wrong, they're wrong, better than to not have called at all.

[osubbfan]

I wonder how a guy could hate women so much and blend in so well. Unless he is a hermit he has to deal with women almost every day of his life. I know there is a "battle of the sexes" and most people get angry with the other sex at times but that is short lived. What could happen to a man that would cause so much rage toward women?

[Politigal]

Originally posted by osubbfan
I wonder how a guy could hate women so much and blend in so well. Unless he is a hermit he has to deal with women almost every day of his life. I know there is a "battle of the sexes" and most people get angry with the other sex at times but that is short lived. What could happen to a man that would cause so much rage toward women? [/*]

I don't know....but I would bet that he's a real mama's boy.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Politigal


I don't know....but I would bet that he's a real mama's boy. [/*]

Agree!:D Probably a little wuss, always picked last for dodgeball and beat up a lot, so tries to feel he has control the only way he can - abducting petite little women from behind or in their sleep. He may feel like a big boy now.

[osubbfan]

Yep, it takes a REAL man to abuse 98 lb. women. :rolleyes: Heck, I'm not even a man and I bet I could beat up a 98 lb. woman. Calling this waste of flesh a wuss is probably giving him too much credit. A 150 lb. wuss could probably take him.

It seems that known serial rapists tend to have particularly bad mothers and/or absent fathers. Unfortunately for LE that probably includes half the male population. Our society tends to lean towards mother blaming so we are probably looking for a controlling mother who the perp has a hostile dependency on, or an emotionally unavailable mother who he never felt worthy of. He probably has experienced chronic rejection from women and feels they deserve to be punished....might have even been kicked in the groin a time or two.:eek:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by osubbfan
I wonder how a guy could hate women so much and blend in so well. Unless he is a hermit he has to deal with women almost every day of his life. I know there is a "battle of the sexes" and most people get angry with the other sex at times but that is short lived. What could happen to a man that would cause so much rage toward women? [/*]
I read one profiler's comments that the perp might have just broken up with his wife or girlfriend (that she left him and maybe took their child) and I think this might be the case and the victims he chooses all resemble the wife or girlfriend. So he's taking out his anger on them. In other words, he's assaulting and killing her through his victims.

[Politigal]

Originally posted by logicworks
Following along reading the posts here..... I haven't read any . [/*]

Great questions Logic.

I too have searched and cannot find that style anywhere and I've searched with keywords - Pink Panther panties, underwear, thong, lingerie, pajamas, costumes, etc. and no where can that particular style/color be found.

[osubbfan]

While it may be difficult for us to find these particular underwear it shouldn't be too hard for LE to do so. The tag was still on them so they know who manufactured them. They also know that they were licensed by MGM so they could get information through them. There are some similar in style and design on one website which makes me think this particular style is discontinued. What we do know is that it isn't likely someone walked into their neighborhood Walmart and bought these. If they were purchased online then the seller should have a name and address if they were shipped. LE can find out who was licensed to sell these products and go from there. I haven't spent a lot of time researching this but if you search PP apparel none of the national chains (Walmart, Target, etc.) immediately come up. Webundies is one that does.

[Maelstrom5]

Hi All,

Awhile back when police first released the information about the thong I and several others here as well as several on another board found the "pink panther" style on sale at eBay

The ones at eBay. were white but they had the same pink panther and hearts imprint as well as the little bows at the waistband.

The were being offered for $1.99 apiece. The fact they were on eBay but not in any online store inventories suggest to me that they are no longer in production. Unfortunately I have not been able to find the company who manufactured them and therefore I don't know when they were in stores and what retailers may have sold them.

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
concerning the victim..whether she was drunk and was she responsible for it and why didn't she fight back etc etc.
I hope we can put an end to that.
Even if she was drunk she's not at fault in my view for this happening. She didn't ask to be murdered. We don't know what the perp may have done to incapacitate her further/knock her out and whether she was in any condition to avoid/counter it.
It's easy for someone to Monday morning quarterback..oh I would have done this or that and gotten away or survived but you will never know unless you have been through it/been through something like it. So I don't think it's proper to say definitively you would have been successful if you haven't been in that situation.[/*]

WTH???:confused: I have no idea where you saw anyone saying these things on this forum.

In regard to the PP thong, you can get the white ones now. They have the same style (including little bows on the band) as the black ones. Here's a link with a pic.

Pink Panther undies (http://www.webundies.com/agp5061042.htm)

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
That has been mentioned several times.
I won't take offense. [/*]

Obsfan is right... None of us have blamed Bri for what happened to her. Quite the contrary. Where are you seeing this?

Maybe you are talking about the comment in TwoFour's location which has nothing to do with Bri (and many of us disagree with that statement as well).

:confused:

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
Originally posted by Rosieo


My feelings exactly. That is one thing I've always heard - never, ever let them take you to a second location. I'm not going to worry about making him mad - if he grabbed me, he means to do me harm and I'm going to fight like hell. I'm not going to be compliant and hope he'll let me go. [/*]
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Stuff like this.It's there.Whether anybody believes it or not/sees it or not doesn't matter to me.I am not going to argue about it with anyone.

I think we need to focus on who the perp is and how he can be caught.Period. [/*]

Just for the record, the posters who were stating what they would do were speaking about themselves only- never about what Bri did/did not do or should have done.

None of us know what Bri did.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28


Just for the record, the posters who were stating what they would do were speaking about themselves only- never about what Bri did/did not do or should have done.

None of us know what Bri did. [/*]

Exactly - she may, unfortunately, have not had a chance to do anything at all , which is what I'm thinking - that he rendered her unconscious before she could ever even make a sound :(

Butteryfly , your mailbox is full.........

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
concerning the victim..whether she was drunk and was she responsible for it and why didn't she fight back etc etc.
I hope we can put an end to that.
Even if she was drunk she's not at fault in my view for this happening. She didn't ask to be murdered. We don't know what the perp may have done to incapacitate her further/knock her out and whether she was in any condition to avoid/counter it.
It's easy for someone to Monday morning quarterback..oh I would have done this or that and gotten away or survived but you will never know unless you have been through it/been through something like it. So I don't think it's proper to say definitively you would have been successful if you haven't been in that situation.


Nevada as you well know has some legal brothels.I wonder if the perp visited any of those and if he made trouble at any of them.Might be worth investigating.

As for the pink panther underwear I believe he stole those from somewhere and it will be hard to find where.He might even have stolen them from a motel/hotel room and the person he stole them from has left town/gone back home and doesn't realize their underwear was stolen, may think it was misplaced. [/*]

That is not the way I intended to come across, if I did. In no way, shape or form EVER would I criticize Bri's actions that night - I don't care if she was passed out drunk and naked, this a-hole had no right to do what he's done - no, I don't know that I'd have "gotten away" - in fact, I think I wouldn't have - I think he rendered her unconscious so quickly, she didn't have a chance to do anything. The conversation veered, and I was speaking of what I would do if a man tried to abduct me on the street, etc., I didn't mean it to sound like I was in any way criticizing Bri. I don't think she ever stood a chance :( If she had, at the very least, the dog would have barked. He got her in her sleep and she probably never even knew what happened until she woke up - or never knew at all, which is my hope. I'm sorry if I was misinterpreted.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan


WTH???:confused: I have no idea where you saw anyone saying these things on this forum.

In regard to the PP thong, you can get the white ones now. They have the same style (including little bows on the band) as the black ones. Here's a link with a pic.

Pink Panther undies (http://www.webundies.com/agp5061042.htm) [/*]

That certainly wasn't what my comments meant - I think something got lost in translation while bantering with twofour. I would NEVER think Bri was in any way at fault for what happened. The idea is ridiculous to me. She was sleeping on a couch at a friend's house, something I've done a thousand times. The sick ***tard who had the guts to go into that house and take her is the only one at fault - she never had a chance :( Hard enough to fight someone when you're aware, but in your sleep?

I overanalyze everything, but I still keep thinking the panties are a hint at Inspector Closeau, the bumbling inspector who didn't see the perp right under his nose.

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by Rosieo


That certainly wasn't what my comments meant - I think something got lost in translation while bantering with twofour. I would NEVER think Bri was in any way at fault for what happened. The idea is ridiculous to me. She was sleeping on a couch at a friend's house, something I've done a thousand times. The sick ***tard who had the guts to go into that house and take her is the only one at fault - she never had a chance :( Hard enough to fight someone when you're aware, but in your sleep?

I overanalyze everything, but I still keep thinking the panties are a hint at Inspector Closeau, the bumbling inspector who didn't see the perp right under his nose. [/*]

Rosieo, of course you didn't mean to criticize Bri, who in their right mind would? Like you said, it really doesn't matter what she was doing, did or didn't do, she is an innocent victim of heartless scum. In discussing whether or not we think it is a good idea to fight back doesn't mean we think acting differently makes you responsible for being a victim. We said as much previously in addressing this matter, even stating no one knows how they would act. Not sure how many times or ways we have to address this same issue. :rolleyes: I don't remember talking at all about whether or not she was drunk because I don't see that as significant at all.

I've also wondered if the choice of PP might have something to do with Inspector Closeau. IIRC Inspector Closeau might look like an idiot doing it, but doesn't he always get his man??:beer:

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan


Rosieo, of course you didn't mean to criticize Bri, who in their right mind would? Like you said, it really doesn't matter what she was doing, did or didn't do, she is an innocent victim of heartless scum. In discussing whether or not we think it is a good idea to fight back doesn't mean we think acting differently makes you responsible for being a victim. We said as much previously in addressing this matter, even stating no one knows how they would act. Not sure how many times or ways we have to address this same issue. :rolleyes: I don't remember talking at all about whether or not she was drunk because I don't see that as significant at all.

Exactly - it doesn't matter whether she was drinking or drunk or what she was doing - she was at a friend's home and should have been safe.


I've also wondered if the choice of PP might have something to do with Inspector Closeau. IIRC Inspector Closeau might look like an idiot doing it, but doesn't he always get his man??:beer: [/*]

LOL Yes, he certainly does! :beer:

[osubbfan]

If this guy follows the typical profile then hopefully they have narrowed down their suspects...assuming they have more to go on than what they have shared publically.

The fact that her body was left in a business area reminded me of a case several years ago where the killer left his victim near some factories. They found out he worked in one of the factories and had left her body there so he could watch it. He knew revisiting the "dump site" was too risky, so this way he was able to be near the body and see when she was found. In this case this obviously wasn't a secluded place and he knew Bri would eventually be found. He chose this particular place for a reason...he probably felt safe there and knew the typical traffic patterns. I'm not sure of the surrounding areas but he either works, lives or drives through there on a regular basis. That would be my guess.

I also think he was familar with the house she was taken from. Maybe he knew someone who previously lived there or lived there himself. There is always the possibiity he knows some of Bri's friends but I just don't think so...not sure why I beleive this, just a feeling.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
maybe I misunderstood/misinterpreted what was being said.If so I apologize.
I think we all want justice for this young lady, who deserved to have a full and healthy life and this scumbag took it away from her.So we are all on the same page.

Exactly! She had such a promising future, it's just heartbreaking.


How would YOU go about catching him then if you had all of law enforcement's tools at your discretion ?

One thing you do is geographic profile the locations where the attacks occured and the area where the body was found. Then you look at people with criminal records who live in that area.You draw a circle around it and focus on people with records who live within that circle.
Maybe you look at domestic violence calls/reports.If the perp had a girlfriend/wife maybe he was violent with her.Maybe she left him and that provoked his current campaign of rape and murder.He's taking out his spite on other women, transferring his rage to them. [/*]

I was surprised when I heard how many sex offenders are in that area, just near that home! I did read they were interviewing all of them, but I'm sure there are some that have slipped through the cracks, moved, etc. At this point, I think your ideas above are all they really CAN do. I'm sure they're frustrated and having many sleepless nights - I don't envy their jobs. I know if I were LE on the case and had found/seen her, I would be totally obsessed with it. I'm sure it's very difficult for them and I'm sure there's tremendous pressure on them to solve the case - they can only do what they can do and work with what they have. I'm sure they want this guy worse than anyone does. I've never and would never criticize LE on this case - I sympathize with them. I understand people who do lash out and criticize, though, because they're angry and frustrated and want him caught, but LE can't perform miracles, unfortunately. They'll get him. If he lives in Reno, I tend to agree with you about the ex - something set him off. The longer he's quiet, the more nervous I get because I feel he can only control his impulses for so long :(

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I was surprised when I heard how many sex offenders are in that area, just near that home! I did read they were interviewing all of them, but I'm sure there are some that have slipped through the cracks, moved, etc. At this point, I think your ideas above are all they really CAN do. I'm sure they're frustrated and having many sleepless nights - I don't envy their jobs. I know if I were LE on the case and had found/seen her, I would be totally obsessed with it. I'm sure it's very difficult for them and I'm sure there's tremendous pressure on them to solve the case - they can only do what they can do and work with what they have. I'm sure they want this guy worse than anyone does. I've never and would never criticize LE on this case - I sympathize with them. I understand people who do lash out and criticize, though, because they're angry and frustrated and want him caught, but LE can't perform miracles, unfortunately. They'll get him. If he lives in Reno, I tend to agree with you about the ex - something set him off. The longer he's quiet, the more nervous I get because I feel he can only control his impulses for so long :( [/*]

Me too, he seems to have been doing it at least once a month (that we know of) :mad:

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan
If this guy follows the typical profile then hopefully they have narrowed down their suspects...assuming they have more to go on than what they have shared publically.

The fact that her body was left in a business area reminded me of a case several years ago where the killer left his victim near some factories. They found out he worked in one of the factories and had left her body there so he could watch it. He knew revisiting the "dump site" was too risky, so this way he was able to be near the body and see when she was found. In this case this obviously wasn't a secluded place and he knew Bri would eventually be found. He chose this particular place for a reason...he probably felt safe there and knew the typical traffic patterns. I'm not sure of the surrounding areas but he either works, lives or drives through there on a regular basis. That would be my guess.

I also think he was familar with the house she was taken from. Maybe he knew someone who previously lived there or lived there himself. There is always the possibiity he knows some of Bri's friends but I just don't think so...not sure why I beleive this, just a feeling. [/*]

Hi - this has been my thought also - my husband works in an area that looks exactly like that - businesses surrounded by fields, an "industrial park" and it would seem he had to know that area well - it's just not the likely type of location someone would pick to dispose of a body. Have we ever heard any more on how long she'd been there? I've only heard at least a week. I wonder if he killed her right away and left her there right away, or left her somewhere else and moved her, or (praying not) that he had her alive for some time before killing her and leaving her there. I'm sure they've probably already interviewed everyone who works in that area and delivery drivers, etc. but I feel as you do, that that's where the answer is....and I feel also that he knew the house - that it wasn't just "dumb luck."

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99


Me too, he seems to have been doing it at least once a month (that we know of) :mad: [/*]

And now it's been almost two - it scares me. I hope it doesn't take another victim to catch him :( He has to be about at his boiling point now. We can always hope he'll turn all that rage inward and hurt himself before he hurts someone else -

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
or else why not take her out in the desert and bury her or weigh the body down and drop it in Lake Meade.He knew the body would be found, wanted it found.Why ? [/*]

Normally, that would indicate, I think, that he had or had developed some personal feelings for her. Sometimes they leave their victims covered up, seemingly "cared for." But with the taunt of the undies left there, that doesn't seem to be the case with her, so maybe he just wanted her found to taunt LE.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rosieo


And now it's been almost two - it scares me. I hope it doesn't take another victim to catch him :( He has to be about at his boiling point now. We can always hope he'll turn all that rage inward and hurt himself before he hurts someone else - [/*]

I really hope so, too. I can't imagine how female students around the campus area have been feeling since Brianna's disappearance and her body being found. He really seems sure of himself, though, leaving his DNA everywhere, that's another scary thought. :chicken:

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99


I really hope so, too. I can't imagine how female students around the campus area have been feeling since Brianna's disappearance and her body being found. He really seems sure of himself, though, leaving his DNA everywhere, that's another scary thought. :chicken: [/*]

I would be just terrified if I lived in that area. I know I'd just be paranoid - not walking anywhere or going anywhere alone at night, etc., and that sucks - those girls shouldn't have to live with that fear :( He sure must have an ego, dropping his DNA all over the place, like "neener, neener, try and catch me" - he knew he wasn't in the database. He's either really stupid or has a huge ego.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I would be just terrified if I lived in that area. I know I'd just be paranoid - not walking anywhere or going anywhere alone at night, etc., and that sucks - those girls shouldn't have to live with that fear :( He sure must have an ego, dropping his DNA all over the place, like "neener, neener, try and catch me" - he knew he wasn't in the database. He's either really stupid or has a huge ego. [/*]

I HATE to think this, but he seems pretty smart to get avoid getting caught after three known assaults and a murder, and leaving his DNA behind pretty much every time. He also seems REALLY twisted, leaving on that underwear with 5 people's DNA.

[amill]

This p.o.s. is goading the police, he know's that his DNA is not in the databases, so obviously, he wouldn't be caught. Rapist/killers like this reoffend again, it's just a matter of time, when and where.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99


I HATE to think this, but he seems pretty smart to get avoid getting caught after three known assaults and a murder, and leaving his DNA behind pretty much every time. He also seems REALLY twisted, leaving on that underwear with 5 people's DNA. [/*]

LE did call him a "deviant" and knowing that they know more than we do, I shudder to think of what that may mean.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by amill
This p.o.s. is goading the police, he know's that his DNA is not in the databases, so obviously, he wouldn't be caught. Rapist/killers like this reoffend again, it's just a matter of time, when and where. [/*]

I agree...he will strike again, I'm just praying that he's caught first.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rosieo


LE did call him a "deviant" and knowing that they know more than we do, I shudder to think of what that may mean. [/*]

Especially, because they are not releasing the condition her body was found in, if she was clothed, the position of the body, any wounds, even defensive :(

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99


Especially, because they are not releasing the condition her body was found in, if she was clothed, the position of the body, any wounds, even defensive :( [/*]

That's what makes me think it's much worse than we know :(

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by omsk99


I really hope so, too. I can't imagine how female students around the campus area have been feeling since Brianna's disappearance and her body being found. He really seems sure of himself, though, leaving his DNA everywhere, that's another scary thought. :chicken: [/*]

I'm sure he's enjoying every minute of the fear others are feeling. How insane is it that women can't walk from their car to their home and be safe? So how do mothers tell their daughters they can be anything they want to be but can't walk alone after dark? Absolutely ridiculous that we have to fear for our lives, even in our homes, because of people who are as twisted as a Slinky.

Sexual assault is the fastest growing crime in the United States. What exactly does that say about us? On second thought, I'm not sure I want to know that answer.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan


I'm sure he's enjoying every minute of the fear others are feeling. How insane is it that women can't walk from their car to their home and be safe? So how do mothers tell their daughters they can be anything they want to be but can't walk alone after dark? Absolutely ridiculous that we have to fear for our lives, even in our homes, because of people who are as twisted as a Slinky.


Exactly. I'm sure he's watching the news, reading everything he can (possibly even here) and enjoying every minute of it. How pathetic that that's the only way a weak little man can feel like he has any sort of power or control. It takes no strength, no control, no power and no guts to abduct some half or less than half your size, while she's sleeping no less, and kill her - in fact, just the opposite - it makes him look like what he is - a weak little coward. He gets them from behind or in their sleep because the little wuss knows one of them just may beat the hell out of him if they had a chance.


Sexual assault is the fastest growing crime in the United States. What exactly does that say about us? On second thought, I'm not sure I want to know that answer. [/*]

It is very, very frightening :(

[Politigal]

I was reading one of the articles on Bri's case last night, where the FBI had published a semi-profile of the killer.

They say most likely he is a younger man, very unassuming, an introvert, who stays in the "background."

But, I'm not sure I put a lot of stock into their profiling expertise. We've seen how that can be a shamble in past cases.

I also researched serial rape cases, trying to find some common denominators. One common thread that I found was, they frequently had an arrest history of solicitation of a prostitute.

I'm assuming it's easier for them to control/degrade prostitutes, and then they move on to non-prostitutes, as they feel more empowered.

I also found where the Reno newspaper frequently publishes the names of men who are arrested in Prostitution stings....

Maybe police should take a closer look at all those offenders.

[osubbfan]

I think you'll find that regardless of whether the victim is known to the killer or not they tend to dispose of the body in places they are familiar with. I think it has more to do with their level of comfort and not wanting to get caught than their relationship to the victim. If you can see this field from the highway then it seems like a particularly stupid place to choose considering the audience he could have had. I don't know about Reno, but in most cities there is considerable more traffic on the highways that time of night than on the side streets. IMO he not only didn't care if she was found, he wanted her to be found.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by logicworks



I've thought of that angle also, PGal... I still think it looks like the bottom of a bikini swimsuit with the lining inside, and have been thinking about who wears a bikini swimsuit in the winter. Either someone with an indoor pool OR possibly a stripper.

I think LE should check the strip joints to see if any of the 'gals' performed in a pink panther outfit and whether any of them remember any major problems, or continuous problems with some dude matching his description. The woman might not come forward on her own if she is doing more than stripping for money.

I think he is someone who has had a 'bad' run-in with LE at some point in time. His anger appears to be directed at both the targeted woman and LE, raping one woman in a garage where police cars are parked, leaving the PP panties behind, and leaving Brianna's body in a field where there was a poster about her on a pole, according to what I read on another board. Wondering how soon the posters went up after she was missing.........?

Judging from the map, up to this point it appears he has chosen a relatively small area to target, close to campus where there are young girls. (That doesn't mean he didn't do his 'dirty deeds' in other areas of the country. He may leave town every time LE gets close, and move on to a new place.)

If you mapquest the route away from Brianna's house at MacKay Court to the Prototype Drive area, where Sandhill and Double R come together, according to another board as being the location where the body was found, he simply traveled a main road straight down 8 miles. According to the aerial map, it likely would have had a view of that field from the highway, so all he had to do was take the next exit that would take him to the field. Nothing complex there in his moves, IMO.

I think he was a stranger to all of the women, including Brianna. People who know the homicide victim hide the body somewhere because it is personal to them and they fear the connection being known and then traced back to them. Strangers toss victims out in fields, over an embankment, not bothering to hide the body because the victim is impersonal to them. Strangers aren't concerned about being traced back through friends because none of them know the perp.

IMO, the guy is a perv, who 'peeks', watches and waits for his opportunity. He is obviously escalating because he went back to break into one of the rape victims house and thankfully couldn't successfully break in. That makes the perv even more strange yet. He rapes, then returns again? Never heard of a rapist targeting the same person twice. It appears he must have escalated and decided to do more than rape.

If he was already a killer, he likely would have done so the first time or it may be that as long as LE didn't get close, it didn't anger him. I wonder how close LE came to him, or if a sketch went out of him after she reported the rape. It just appears to me that he went back to that rape victims place out of anger bigger than rape; maybe anger that he couldn't just go ahead with his dirty deeds, but had to stop and possibly move on again, IF he is not local to that area.

As usual, in these cases involving a perv,it is very hard to understand until the case is solved. Always seems to be a gazillion questions and few answers.
Back to studying the books.........
JMO [/*]

Interesting points!

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan
I think you'll find that regardless of whether the victim is known to the killer or not they tend to dispose of the body in places they are familiar with. I think it has more to do with their level of comfort and not wanting to get caught than their relationship to the victim. If you can see this field from the highway then it seems like a particularly stupid place to choose considering the audience he could have had. I don't know about Reno, but in most cities there is considerable more traffic on the highways that time of night than on the side streets. IMO he not only didn't care if she was found, he wanted her to be found. [/*]

I agree about him dumping her there because he knew that area and had a comfort level there. I think he knows that area well and knew that he'd be relatively safe leaving her there at whatever hour it was he left her there. He may have driven directly there, raped her there in the truck and then left her. I'm assuming with that being an industrial complex type of thing, and businesses, that if he took her there at 6-6:30 a.m., it was probably pretty deserted at that time. Any of the posters in Reno know? I, too, think he wanted her found - there are too many other places he could have disposed of her. He may have even been hoping someone would find her right away, that day, but then it snowed.

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I agree about him dumping her there because he knew that area and had a comfort level there. I think he knows that area well and knew that he'd be relatively safe leaving her there at whatever hour it was he left her there. He may have driven directly there, raped her there in the truck and then left her. I'm assuming with that being an industrial complex type of thing, and businesses, that if he took her there at 6-6:30 a.m., it was probably pretty deserted at that time. Any of the posters in Reno know? I, too, think he wanted her found - there are too many other places he could have disposed of her. He may have even been hoping someone would find her right away, that day, but then it snowed. [/*]

I have no idea what all is in the area where she was found but I believe she was taken on a Sunday morning?? If it is a business area then it would likely be pretty deserted early Sunday morning.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan


I have no idea what all is in the area where she was found but I believe she was taken on a Sunday morning?? If it is a business area then it would likely be pretty deserted early Sunday morning. [/*]

Oh, that's right - I forgot that it was a Sunday morning - it's all businesses there, so likely it was totally deserted.

[Maelstrom5]

Brianna's friends are coming up with some new and interesting ways to raise money for the Bring Bri Justice Foundation.

From: Christine
Date: Mar 18, 2008 11:49 AM


So we were thinking that we want to have an all-girl football tournament this summer and all the money we raise we are going to donate to the bring bri justice foundation. If you think you'd wanna play just hit me up! We are planning at the beginning of June and it'd be like $15 a girl to play (you can put together your own teams) we need about sixteen teams to actually do this! We think it'd be fun and for a super amazing good cause! LET ME KNOW IF YOU'D BE INTERESTED!

Don't worry boys its only two dollars for you to come and watch girls get down and dirty ;)

Love ya,

Christine

[silex]

Originally posted by osubbfan
I think you'll find that regardless of whether the victim is known to the killer or not they tend to dispose of the body in places they are familiar with. I think it has more to do with their level of comfort and not wanting to get caught than their relationship to the victim. If you can see this field from the highway then it seems like a particularly stupid place to choose considering the audience he could have had. I don't know about Reno, but in most cities there is considerable more traffic on the highways that time of night than on the side streets. IMO he not only didn't care if she was found, he wanted her to be found. [/*]

Although the field is fairly close to the highway you cannot see it from there. The sun came up around 7:15am on Jan. 20th, that area is very dark as is the neighborhood the perp has victimized. He HAD to have known this field to be there and felt comfortable with leaving her body there. He could have driven 5 minutes the other direction and we'd still be searching for her. On a Sunday morning between 4-7am the highway and streets around Reno are pretty desolate... I am not surprised he wasn't seen. I wouldn't be surprised if he's still on the hunt in the same neighborhood. We drove all around there this past Friday night, between the lack of lighting and the mature landscaping it's no wonder he is able to sit and wait for his opportunity.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by logicworks


Other possibilities as points of interest on Prototype Drive are a day care center, a big manufacturer of slot machines/video machines, and a big construction firm. The only one of these other three that might lend to the idea of 'familiarity' with the houses would possibly be the construction firm.
JMO [/*]

I had not even thought of installation men but yes- good thought!

And the big slot machine/ video manufacturer has employees that work all hours, even through the night. Someone working there could be out at night and would be familiar with the area.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by silex


He could have driven 5 minutes the other direction and we'd still be searching for her. [/*]

That is what I keep coming back to myself. There were so many others places he could have gone where she would most likely never have been found. That location is important.

[gestalt]

Originally posted by osubbfan


I'm sure he's enjoying every minute of the fear others are feeling. How insane is it that women can't walk from their car to their home and be safe? So how do mothers tell their daughters they can be anything they want to be but can't walk alone after dark? Absolutely ridiculous that we have to fear for our lives, even in our homes, because of people who are as twisted as a Slinky.

Sexual assault is the fastest growing crime in the United States. What exactly does that say about us? On second thought, I'm not sure I want to know that answer. [/*]

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I have never thought we could tell our daughters that they can be anything they want to be--it's really a lie as far as I'm concerned. There are any number of barriers to that. You can apply yourself for years to achieving a goal and then be blocked from getting there, be it due to finances or other life circumstances. And because I am a rape victim and have been reading other accounts of crimes for years, I never feel safe walking alone at night--haven't for years. So, my advice would be to inform our daughters of the truth of what is going on so that they can be prepared to navigate, cause it ain't getting any better.

I've been posting about this case for awhile on another board. Here's what I've been pondering lately, and I want to ask everyone:

Do you think that he is targeting coeds because he has a special hatred for them, say for instance, is really bitter that they are in college while he never had a chance? Just wondering.

[gestalt]

Originally posted by Politigal
I was reading one of the articles on Bri's case last night, where the FBI had published a semi-profile of the killer.

They say most likely he is a younger man, very unassuming, an introvert, who stays in the "background."

But, I'm not sure I put a lot of stock into their profiling expertise. We've seen how that can be a shamble in past cases.

I also researched serial rape cases, trying to find some common denominators. One common thread that I found was, they frequently had an arrest history of solicitation of a prostitute.

I'm assuming it's easier for them to control/degrade prostitutes, and then they move on to non-prostitutes, as they feel more empowered.

I also found where the Reno newspaper frequently publishes the names of men who are arrested in Prostitution stings....

Maybe police should take a closer look at all those offenders. [/*]


I read that profile too and posted the link on another board, also mentioned the same thing about the probability that the suspect had sought out prostitutes first because it does seem to be a common factor.

Then I noticed that the profiler is from N.J.--a state with another huge gambling mecca: Atlantic City and also a state with an unsolved case of the murder of several women working as prostitutes. Well, that set my mind to wondering if this case and that one are connected, because they wanted that profiler's expertise?

[gestalt]

And one more thing was that I looked up The Sands casino in Atlantic City. It was shut down in 2007. Could it be possible that he worked for the casino and got a transfer to The Sands in Reno-- the place the young women were at that night?
Probably only coincidences.

[BRIN]

:rose:

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Brianna's friends are coming up with some new and interesting ways to raise money for the Bring Bri Justice Foundation.

From: Christine
Date: Mar 18, 2008 11:49 AM


So we were thinking that we want to have an all-girl football tournament this summer and all the money we raise we are going to donate to the bring bri justice foundation. If you think you'd wanna play just hit me up! We are planning at the beginning of June and it'd be like $15 a girl to play (you can put together your own teams) we need about sixteen teams to actually do this! We think it'd be fun and for a super amazing good cause! LET ME KNOW IF YOU'D BE INTERESTED!

Don't worry boys its only two dollars for you to come and watch girls get down and dirty ;)

Love ya,

Christine [/*]

How nice that they're doing what they can to raise money -

[omsk99]

Originally posted by gestalt


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I have never thought we could tell our daughters that they can be anything they want to be--it's really a lie as far as I'm concerned. There are any number of barriers to that. You can apply yourself for years to achieving a goal and then be blocked from getting there, be it due to finances or other life circumstances. And because I am a rape victim and have been reading other accounts of crimes for years, I never feel safe walking alone at night--haven't for years. So, my advice would be to inform our daughters of the truth of what is going on so that they can be prepared to navigate, cause it ain't getting any better.

I've been posting about this case for awhile on another board. Here's what I've been pondering lately, and I want to ask everyone:

Do you think that he is targeting coeds because he has a special hatred for them, say for instance, is really bitter that they are in college while he never had a chance? Just wondering. [/*]

That could be, but I more think that he likes young, vulnerable and unexperienced girls that cannot fight him off. And also, there are all around the campus, so it's a straight shot for him to find them anywhere that area, mostly without adults being around. JMO

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99


That could be, but I more think that he likes young, vulnerable and unexperienced girls that cannot fight him off. And also, there are all around the campus, so it's a straight shot for him to find them anywhere that area, mostly without adults being around. JMO [/*]

I tend to agree - I don't think the fact that they're coeds would fit into the reasons for his rage, they're just easy prey for him.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by logicworks


Installers usually have a company van they work out of all the time, which could mean his truck was unknown to others he worked with. Just thinking about why, even on a Sunday early morning, he felt secure enough about either he or his truck not being recognized.
If others only saw him in a company van type truck and probably in a uniform, then seeing him dressed in 'plain clothes' in a truck they might not even know he owns, he may have felt confident he wouldn't be recognized.
JMO [/*]


Good point - or........it could have actually been the company van that he used, so he felt safe parking it there - the company is there, so who would question seeing the van parked there?

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by gestalt


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I have never thought we could tell our daughters that they can be anything they want to be--it's really a lie as far as I'm concerned. There are any number of barriers to that.
[/*]

That certainly is one point of view but not one I share. I have always thought most limits are self-imposed and people tend to see them otherwise. I want my daughter to believe in herself but understand that, as with anyone, she has strengths and weaknesses. Likewise, while I want her to be aware that there are dangers in life I don't want her to see the world as a bad place. I won't let these monsters define what my life is about. The truth is most people are sickened by psychos like Bri's killer. The vast majority of us are good people...in times like this we just have to keep reminding ourselves of that.

[osubbfan]

Just wanted to share this link. While heartbreaking it shows how determined a mother can be.

Denison case: 'parent’s worst nightmare' (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080319/NEWS18/80319042&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews)

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by osubbfan
Just wanted to share this link. While heartbreaking it shows how determined a mother can be.

Denison case: 'parent’s worst nightmare' (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080319/NEWS18/80319042&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews) [/*]


I feel so sad for her.... I could not imagine.

:rose:

[gestalt]

Originally posted by osubbfan


That certainly is one point of view but not one I share. I have always thought most limits are self-imposed and people tend to see them otherwise. I want my daughter to believe in herself but understand that, as with anyone, she has strengths and weaknesses. Likewise, while I want her to be aware that there are dangers in life I don't want her to see the world as a bad place. I won't let these monsters define what my life is about. The truth is most people are sickened by psychos like Bri's killer. The vast majority of us are good people...in times like this we just have to keep reminding ourselves of that. [/*]


Sorry osubbfan, I've just experienced and seen too much pain to be optimistic about the world. But thank you for the kind words.
I do know that the Lord is good, "and that's what I know"-- (my favorite quote, it's from the movie "Rainman").

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan
Just wanted to share this link. While heartbreaking it shows how determined a mother can be.

Denison case: 'parent’s worst nightmare' (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080319/NEWS18/80319042&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews) [/*]

Oh, that poor woman - I knew Bri's father had died young, but I didn't know until now that it was suicide. That poor woman has so much on her heart :(

[gestalt]

Originally posted by logicworks



LE in AC did try to connect the AC murders to the 'Ipswich Ripper' murders early December of 2006, in London, England thinking it might have been the same man who then left the US, but they arrested a man local to Ipswich who was charged with the murders of five prostitutes there. After reading about him, he seemed to have yet a different MO than either the AC or the Reno perv.

Although anything is possible, it seems unlikely it is the same person. Doubtful a perv would change his fetish, and also change the 'target' from prostitutes to 'students', from killing four prostitutes in AC, to student rape in Reno, then back to killing in Reno, but one never knows. It seems to me, it is more likely the work of two different pervs, which makes it yet more scary.
JMO [/*]

Thanks for the info, I did not know that. Was thinking that perhaps this suspect lost his job when the casino went down in AC and transferred to Reno--and then, of course, it doesn't mean that he worked directly at the casino, but at some peripheral job, such as the manufacturing and installing of the machines--like someone suggested, there are those types of businesses located around the office park area where she was found. Just throwing some ideas around.

[Rosieo]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by logicworks



Doing some more sleuthing around online, looking at the Sands, QUOTE]

I agree - but these sickos minds operate on such a different plane than ours, it's hard to ever know their thoughts. The fact that they are so warped is what makes it all so scary. My mind keeps going back to what the RPD said, that 99.9% of the population can't even begin to fathom what this guy did to Bri - it's like I want to know what happened, but then again, maybe I don't :(

[Maelstrom5]

Victims who count.
How does journalism decide which murders to cover?


http://www.newsreview.com/reno/Content?oid=640061

[jaguar girl]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Oh, that poor woman - I knew Bri's father had died young, but I didn't know until now that it was suicide. That poor woman has so much on her heart :( [/*]

How heartbreaking no one should have to go through so much pain.

:rose: Justice for Bri

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Victims who count.
How does journalism decide which murders to cover?


http://www.newsreview.com/reno/Content?oid=640061 [/*]

Thanks for posting that, that was a very interesting article. I think, too, as in Brianna's case, there's always more interest when the victim is abducted from a home. I'm interested in all of these cases, but the fact that he went into that home and took her, and while she was sleeping, got more into my heart.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
so he's not connected to past homicides.

I'm sure when caught he will say it was an accident, that he didn't mean to kill her, that she died in the struggle, put up too much of a fight and it wasn't intentional. [/*]

Hopefully, the evidence will show otherwise and it won't work for him - like Ben Fawley and his BS story of how Taylor Behl died :(

[omsk99]

About a month ago, Bridgette Denison's worst fears were confirmed: Her 19-year-old daughter, Brianna, had been killed by a serial sexual predator who abducted her Jan. 20 from a friend's home near the University of Nevada, Reno.
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"It's a parent's worst nightmare," she said Wednesday during an interview at her home with the Reno Gazette-Journal. "What's hardest for me, more than thinking about my daughter being murdered or what he did to her, is that I miss her."

"I just miss her," she said, adding all she can do is touch photographs of her daughter's face. "I still don't know how I'm going to do this without her."

The last months have been a second period of mourning for Denison, who 14 years ago became a single mother to Brianna "Bri," then 6, and her son, Brighton, then 15 months, after her husband, Jeff, committed suicide. They had been married for a decade when she became a widow.

"With what I went through with my husband and now this, I really blew it," she said. "When I lost him, I thought I paid my dues and I was home free. I know now it's not good to think like that."

Denison said she will bury her daughter beside her father on what would have been her 20th birthday, March 29, in an undisclosed area.

She said she would use her daughter's tragedy to press for stronger laws against repeat sex offenders (two strikes, you're out) and laws that would provide money for crime laboratories to process DNA.

Until more than $200,000 was raised last month, the Washoe County Crime Laboratory had a backlog of 3,000 DNA samples from convicted offenders. The DNA of Brianna Denison's killer was not among them.
First priority

The fledgling Bring Bri Justice Foundation will spearhead a legislative agenda set by its president, Bridgette Denison.

But Denison's first priority is catching the man who strangled her daughter and left her body, along with two pairs of women's panties, in a south Reno field. The body was found Feb. 15. One of the panties belonged to a friend of Brianna Denison's who lived at the home where she was abducted, and the other has not been claimed.

DNA tests have identified Brianna's killer as the man who sexually attacked women in November and December.

"We are limited in what we can do to catch this guy ... but I am not going to stop until I find him," she said. "I can't imagine one more family going through this situation. I am putting my heart and soul into finding and catching him.

"If he's not here near our campus, I can tell you he's at another one. We are going to bring Bri justice, so maybe she can rest."
'He'll be caught'

Denison said she is confident the killer will be caught.

"The Reno Police Department has been working so hard, it blows me away," she said. "He'll be caught."

Although she is devastated about her daughter's killing, Denison said she is glad Brianna Denison was found so she won't always wonder if she was hurt or held captive.

"He is a really twisted, crazy man who is still out there," Denison said. "I, 100 percent, do not believe he is in control of himself and won't do this again. I am amazed he hasn't done this again already."

Denison always is on the lookout for the man who killed her daughter.

Last month, Denison and her brother were in the UNR area taping a news interview about 3 a.m. when Denison said she saw college girls walking alone on the streets. She was amazed they would allow themselves to be so vulnerable with the killer still on the loose.

Days after Brianna was abducted, many community members began wearing blue ribbons, Brianna's favorite color.

Soon, many areas of Reno were covered with blue ribbons and signs that have been changed from Bring Bri Back to Bring Bri Justice.

Denison said she finds comfort in the community support and the blue ribbons around town. But it's difficult for her, thinking of her daughter when she sees them.

She said she wants to thank the community for its support and asked they continue until the killer is found.

"It feels really good," she said. "I feel like I'm not alone. It really feels like she became Reno's daughter. At least 90 percent of people in this town have children and probably feel like it could have happened to them.

"And it could happen to another girl if he's not caught soon."

Denison encouraged tipsters to continue to report suspicious men and call in with relevant information.
Roommates

When Brianna Denison was in high school, her mother said she seemed more like a roommate than a daughter. Brianna Denison did laundry, ran errands and took care of her dog, Ozzy.

"She pretty much had turned into an adult," her mother said, adding that sometimes Brianna was more responsible than her.

When Brianna Denison left for college in Santa Barbara to study child psychology, her mother was sad her "roommate" wasn't around as much.

"Her first year of college was horrible ... talk about a grieving mom," Denison said. "I was crying constantly."

Denison and her daughter talked and sent text messages daily. This year, Denison and her son, Brighton, 15, were settling in at home after getting accustomed to Brianna not being home as much. She was a sophomore at Santa Barbara City College when she died. For months, they had been planning her 20th birthday party.

"She was like any other kid," her mother said. "She was full of life, excited and passionate about becoming a child psychologist. She loved where she lived, and she just had it together more than other kids."

Denison takes each day at a time. She keeps herself busy and focused on her mission to find her daughter's killer and proceed with her foundation's goals.

"No family should be a crime victim," she said.

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080320/NEWS01/803200337/1321/NEWS

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99
About a month ago, Bridgette Denison's worst fears were confirmed: Her 19-year-old daughter, Brianna, had been killed by a serial sexual predator who abducted her Jan. 20 from a friend's home near the University of Nevada, Reno.
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"It's a parent's worst nightmare," she said Wednesday during an interview at her home with the Reno Gazette-Journal. "What's hardest for me, more than thinking about my daughter being murdered or what he did to her, is that I miss her."

"I just miss her," she said, adding all she can do is touch photographs of her daughter's face. "I still don't know how I'm going to do this without her."

The last months have been a second period of mourning for Denison, who 14 years ago became a single mother to Brianna "Bri," then 6, and her son, Brighton, then 15 months, after her husband, Jeff, committed suicide. They had been married for a decade when she became a widow.

"With what I went through with my husband and now this, I really blew it," she said. "When I lost him, I thought I paid my dues and I was home free. I know now it's not good to think like that."

Denison said she will bury her daughter beside her father on what would have been her 20th birthday, March 29, in an undisclosed area.

She said she would use her daughter's tragedy to press for stronger laws against repeat sex offenders (two strikes, you're out) and laws that would provide money for crime laboratories to process DNA.

Until more than $200,000 was raised last month, the Washoe County Crime Laboratory had a backlog of 3,000 DNA samples from convicted offenders. The DNA of Brianna Denison's killer was not among them.
First priority

The fledgling Bring Bri Justice Foundation will spearhead a legislative agenda set by its president, Bridgette Denison.

But Denison's first priority is catching the man who strangled her daughter and left her body, along with two pairs of women's panties, in a south Reno field. The body was found Feb. 15. One of the panties belonged to a friend of Brianna Denison's who lived at the home where she was abducted, and the other has not been claimed.

DNA tests have identified Brianna's killer as the man who sexually attacked women in November and December.

"We are limited in what we can do to catch this guy ... but I am not going to stop until I find him," she said. "I can't imagine one more family going through this situation. I am putting my heart and soul into finding and catching him.

"If he's not here near our campus, I can tell you he's at another one. We are going to bring Bri justice, so maybe she can rest."
'He'll be caught'

Denison said she is confident the killer will be caught.

"The Reno Police Department has been working so hard, it blows me away," she said. "He'll be caught."

Although she is devastated about her daughter's killing, Denison said she is glad Brianna Denison was found so she won't always wonder if she was hurt or held captive.

"He is a really twisted, crazy man who is still out there," Denison said. "I, 100 percent, do not believe he is in control of himself and won't do this again. I am amazed he hasn't done this again already."

Denison always is on the lookout for the man who killed her daughter.

Last month, Denison and her brother were in the UNR area taping a news interview about 3 a.m. when Denison said she saw college girls walking alone on the streets. She was amazed they would allow themselves to be so vulnerable with the killer still on the loose.

Days after Brianna was abducted, many community members began wearing blue ribbons, Brianna's favorite color.

Soon, many areas of Reno were covered with blue ribbons and signs that have been changed from Bring Bri Back to Bring Bri Justice.

Denison said she finds comfort in the community support and the blue ribbons around town. But it's difficult for her, thinking of her daughter when she sees them.

She said she wants to thank the community for its support and asked they continue until the killer is found.

"It feels really good," she said. "I feel like I'm not alone. It really feels like she became Reno's daughter. At least 90 percent of people in this town have children and probably feel like it could have happened to them.

"And it could happen to another girl if he's not caught soon."

Denison encouraged tipsters to continue to report suspicious men and call in with relevant information.
Roommates

When Brianna Denison was in high school, her mother said she seemed more like a roommate than a daughter. Brianna Denison did laundry, ran errands and took care of her dog, Ozzy.

"She pretty much had turned into an adult," her mother said, adding that sometimes Brianna was more responsible than her.

When Brianna Denison left for college in Santa Barbara to study child psychology, her mother was sad her "roommate" wasn't around as much.

"Her first year of college was horrible ... talk about a grieving mom," Denison said. "I was crying constantly."

Denison and her daughter talked and sent text messages daily. This year, Denison and her son, Brighton, 15, were settling in at home after getting accustomed to Brianna not being home as much. She was a sophomore at Santa Barbara City College when she died. For months, they had been planning her 20th birthday party.

"She was like any other kid," her mother said. "She was full of life, excited and passionate about becoming a child psychologist. She loved where she lived, and she just had it together more than other kids."

Denison takes each day at a time. She keeps herself busy and focused on her mission to find her daughter's killer and proceed with her foundation's goals.

"No family should be a crime victim," she said.

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080320/NEWS01/803200337/1321/NEWS [/*]

This is so incredibly sad - crying and missing her so much her first year of college, and now she's gone forever. Brianna sounds like such a wonderful person. What gave this scumbag the right to this? How dare he take this mother's daughter right out of her sleep and do who knows what to her and murder her? When I read these interviews with her, I just get furious all over again. I can't wait until they catch this POS - no amount of punishment, nothing they could do to him, would be enough.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
Johnia Berry...


www.johniaberry.org...

Johnia was studying psychology as well.

Sad that such exemplary young women should lose their lives when they had so much to live for.

I know the police there are working hard.But what if the guy has fled the area already ? I would if I were him.I wouldn't stick around.But if he has a low paying job he might not be able to leave.If he has a criminal record he might not have the money to leave the area. Obviously he is lying low so it becomes a matter of can he resist his compulsion if he is still in the area.Maybe he feels he can wait out the police since prostitution is legal in NV, he can just go to a brothel until the heat is off. [/*]

I'm hoping he has some kind of ties or something that would make it too suspicious if he fled the area - a wife, SO, family, a job, maybe a homeowner - unless he's a complete loner, it would be difficult to just pack up and run away. I don't think a brothel will satisfy this sick ***tard. He needs more :( That is the question, and the frightening thing, resisting his compulsion, because I feel certain he can't much longer. He isn't going to just stop, the question is how long until he loses control again.

[omsk99]

By Jaclyn O'Malley • jomalley@rgj.com • March 22, 2008

Reno police are hoping a more detailed description of a serial rapist who targeted college students and is suspected of abducting and strangling Brianna Denison will encourage people to call them with tips.

Some of the new details are that the suspect is 5-foot-9 to 6-foot-3 inches tall; had a large build; had a mustache and goatee with a hairless gap between the ends of the mustache and top of the goatee; and had large hands with "meaty" fingers.

Police said the suspect also has a fetish with underwear and collects women's panties.

Sgt. Chuck Lovitt said police refined description after re-

interviewing the suspect's December assault victim.

"We want to keep this in the public eye and let (the public) know to keep looking," Lovitt said.

More at the link:

http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080322/NEWS/803220332/1321

[Jpanda]

Anyone from the Reno area - are there any sort of billboards up with the description of this guy? If not, I wonder what needs to be done to make that happen. TIA

[omsk99]

Sorry, Jpanda, I am not from Reno, but I believe they had her info on billboards when she went missing, on the ibggest casinos as well. Hopefully, they are doing the same - good thought!

Another article about the updated perp description, although not much different that the one I posted above:

"New Reno Rapist Description Released"

he Reno Police Department has released to the media an updated description and other information about the suspect in the Brianna Denison murder and at least two other sexual assaults in the area. Detectives hope the updated information will help acquaintances or family members of the suspect to identify him.

From the victims of previous attacks, investigators were able to compile the following information:

* A male that appeared to be Caucasian with the skin on his abdomen, groin, and upper legs noticeably lighter in color than the skin on his hands.

* Likely in his early 20s to mid 30s.

* Likely between 5'9" and 6'3" in height.

* Large and somewhat heavy build - not overly muscular.

* Medium to dark brown head hair. Body hair and facial hair were the same color as head hair.

* Facial hair consisted of at least a mustache and goatee with a noticeable gap (without hair between the ends of the moustache and the top of the goatee).

* Clear fluent English with no accent or regional dialect.

* No visible tattoos on his hands, fingers, lower abdomen, groin, or genitals.

* Genital and groin areas were without hair - skin noticeably smooth and consistent with use of a hair removal cream or similar hair removal process.

* Large hands with "meaty" thick fingers..

Brianna Denison, 19, was kidnapped from the home of friends on Jan. 20. Her body was discovered Feb. 15 in a field south of Reno. She had been sexually assaulted, police said."

http://crime.about.com/*/2008/03/24/new-reno-rapist-description-released.htm

I just don't understand how NO ONE came forward with any legit information, no one can recognize the POS :confused:

[Politigal]

I've been researching all the surrounding residents at the 401 College area and at the 1400 N Virginia area....and I've been looking at a lot of Myspace pages for young men in Reno....

It's really astounding just how many fit the suspect description - the Police really *do* have their work cut out for them.

I found over 500 with goatees/mustaches, with babies, with trucks, with brown hair, in the suspect age group, who live within that zip code on Myspace, and who knows how many others there are that don't have a profile on Myspace.

What a daunting task for law enforcement....:(

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Politigal
I've been researching all the surrounding residents at the 401 College area and at the 1400 N Virginia area....and I've been looking at a lot of Myspace pages for young men in Reno....

It's really astounding just how many fit the suspect description - the Police really *do* have their work cut out for them.

I found over 500 with goatees/mustaches, with babies, with trucks, with brown hair, in the suspect age group, who live within that zip code on Myspace, and who knows how many others there are that don't have a profile on Myspace.

What a daunting task for law enforcement....:( [/*]

Interesting- thanks for posting that, I had no idea so it is interesting to hear. I certainly don't envy their jobs- I'm sure they are working so hard on this and it must be so frustrating for them - and that POS loves it. It'll just make it that much sweeter when they get him, so he may as well laugh while he still can. The more time that goes on, though, the more nervous I get - not that they won't get him, I feel confident they will - but that it's going to take him hurting someone else to get caught :( I am certain that if he's not caught, the attacks won't just stop and we'll never hear of him again - that's not going to happen. The more time that goes on, the more confident he gets that he can do whatever he wants and they'll never catch him. He'll get cocky and confident and that's precisely what WILL get him caught. I just hope it doesn't take another young girl's life to do it :(

[Politigal]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Interesting- thanks for posting that, I had no idea so it is interesting to hear. I certainly don't envy their jobs- I'm sure they are working so hard on this and it must be so frustrating for them - and that POS loves it. It'll just make it that much sweeter when they get him, so he may as well laugh while he still can. The more time that goes on, though, the more nervous I get - not that they won't get him, I feel confident they will - but that it's going to take him hurting someone else to get caught :( I am certain that if he's not caught, the attacks won't just stop and we'll never hear of him again - that's not going to happen. The more time that goes on, the more confident he gets that he can do whatever he wants and they'll never catch him. He'll get cocky and confident and that's precisely what WILL get him caught. I just hope it doesn't take another young girl's life to do it :( [/*]

I think it's interesting that he's stopped.....for the time being. I mean, he was assaulting a young woman about once a month --

October 22
November 13
December 16
January 20

But it's been over 2 months since Brianna's death. I wonder if police got close to him or if his significant other got suspicious of him - causing him to cool it for a while.

[Politigal]

For anyone else who might be interested in researching, here are two good links:

Look up criminal case records, divorces, etc.
http://www.ccwashoe.com/public/ck_public_qry_main.cp_main_idx

Look up property appraisal & ownership records
http://www.co.washoe.nv.us/assessor/cama/search.php

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Politigal


I think it's interesting that he's stopped.....for the time being. I mean, he was assaulting a young woman about once a month --

October 22
November 13
December 16
January 20

But it's been over 2 months since Brianna's death. I wonder if police got close to him or if his significant other got suspicious of him - causing him to cool it for a while. [/*]

It is interesting that he's stopped for now - if this was his first murder, he could be temporarily scared by it or as you said, maybe the police got a lot closer to him than anyone, including the police, realizes...or has raised suspicion with someone else. My guess - which could be way off base, as usual, is that it's just too "hot" right now and he's waiting for things to quiet down before striking again.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Politigal
For anyone else who might be interested in researching, here are two good links:

Look up criminal case records, divorces, etc.
http://www.ccwashoe.com/public/ck_public_qry_main.cp_main_idx

Look up property appraisal & ownership records
http://www.co.washoe.nv.us/assessor/cama/search.php [/*]

Thank you! I am very interested in checking these links out!

[Rosieo]

SILEX, your PM box is full.........

[Politigal]

I was thinking more about how this guy attacks the women from behind, and how he rendered the December victim unconcious with an arm hold.

I found there is a Jujitsu club in Reno.....with that type of hold in this photo:

http://www.bjjreno.com/GQ9.jpg

I wonder if he knows Jujitsu?

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Politigal
I was thinking more about how this guy attacks the women from behind, and how he rendered the December victim unconcious with an arm hold.

I found there is a Jujitsu club in Reno.....with that type of hold in this photo:

http://www.bjjreno.com/GQ9.jpg

I wonder if he knows Jujitsu? [/*]

Interesting!

[Melody]

I was thinking,would such a careful perp leave his dna everywhere?????????

I'm afraid that he is smart enough to plant it,like he did with the panties.

:chicken:

[Melody]

Originally posted by stopthemurde


That's what I have been afraid of... he found some used condom - you know where you can find some Sat AM -- these calling cards have the wrong number
if he is bisexual some anon sex would give him the sperm too
Who knows that could be the DNA of a senator or other politician the way things are happening these days :chicken: [/*]

Yes,but there is always the same dna.:chicken:
Dunno what to believe anymore but I do believe this perp is smart and he likes to play games.
I have a bad feeling about this,it won't be easy to catch and charge him.

[Melody]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
some of his victims survived and you can presume they would know if he used a condom and that rape kits were done in the ER afterwards so the possibility this guy planted dna is so remote as to be unlikely.
He's not very bright as he allowed victims who lived to see his face and provide the police with a description and to even see the vehicle he was driving.
Hannibal Lecter he definitely is not.He has an average to below average IQ.
The description is vague enough that it applies to a lot of white males as does the description of the vehicle.Too bad the police don't have a license plate number. [/*]

If you weren't so rude by trying to act superior.....

[amill]

I think these 'theories' are a bit out of hand, one very good reason that he has left his DNA? Is because he possibly ISN"T A FELON! If he's never been convicted of a serious crime to where the police need his DNA, than they're not going to have his DNA. My theory is, is that, he know's they don't have his DNA so therefore he doesn't care, because he know's, as of right now, he won't get caught through DNA. I think some people are trying to spread this out paper thin but in reality, the truth could be just as simple as it sounds and how I explained it, if he comitted no serious crimes and the police had no reason to ever collect DNA from him, and than this would explain no CODIS (Combined DNA index system) hit in the system. I'm in no way trying to bash anyones opinions, because this post is simply my own opinion, but I guess I look at things in a different aspect as opposed to others. Sure this guy maybe has been stopped for speeding but they certainly don't collect DNA at a traffic stop, lol.

[Melody]

Originally posted by amill
I think these 'theories' are a bit out of hand, one very good reason that he has left his DNA? Is because he possibly ISN"T A FELON! If he's never been convicted of a serious crime to where the police need his DNA, than they're not going to have his DNA. My theory is, is that, he know's they don't have his DNA so therefore he doesn't care, because he know's, as of right now, he won't get caught through DNA. I think some people are trying to spread this out paper thin but in reality, the truth could be just as simple as it sounds and how I explained it, if he comitted no serious crimes and the police had no reason to ever collect DNA from him, and than this would explain no CODIS (Combined DNA index system) hit in the system. I'm in no way trying to bash anyones opinions, because this post is simply my own opinion, but I guess I look at things in a different aspect as opposed to others. Sure this guy maybe has been stopped for speeding but they certainly don't collect DNA at a traffic stop, lol. [/*]

I agree,but wouldn't you be more careful,you NEVER know when they could ask for it.I know I would.:D

[Melody]

He didn't leave those panties there by mistake,not 2 pairs.So he wanted to make a point.I wouldn't say it's impossible for him to plant something else.

[amill]

I agree with you Melody but perhaps this guy is just cocky and thinks he won't be caught, sure, right now he's not being caught but he will eventually I'm sure. Does anyone know if the police found any fingerprints at the home where Bri was abducted? Excluding the residents prints.

[Melody]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
I thought it was plain silly for anyone to suggest the dna had been planted.
Anyone could see that claim wasn't making sense.Sorry if I offended anyone but sheesh..at least you would expect people to make sense on the board. [/*]

Excuse us Sir for bothering you with our silly theories then,should we move on another forum?

[Melody]

Originally posted by amill
I agree with you Melody but perhaps this guy is just cocky and thinks he won't be caught, sure, right now he's not being caught but he will eventually I'm sure. Does anyone know if the police found any fingerprints at the home where Bri was abducted? Excluding the residents prints. [/*]

I don't recall hearing such thing.:shrug:
But it would be great if so.

[Melody]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
If anyone wants to then they can do so without my help.So I'm leaving this thread.

The killer is no criminal genius.He isn't in Codis or any dna database so he doesn't care if he leaves his dna all over the place. [/*]

That's one possibility.

[osubbfan]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
If anyone wants to then they can do so without my help.So I'm leaving this thread.

The killer is no criminal genius.He isn't in Codis or any dna database so he doesn't care if he leaves his dna all over the place. [/*]

Then he truly must be a nitwit because, although it won't help catch him, it will certainly help convict him. Even if that is the only evidence connecting him to the case it doesn't get much stronger. Maybe they should start looking for men who have an IQ below 70? :rolleyes:

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
some of his victims survived and you can presume they would know if he used a condom and that rape kits were done in the ER afterwards so the possibility this guy planted dna is so remote as to be unlikely.
He's not very bright as he allowed victims who lived to see his face and provide the police with a description and to even see the vehicle he was driving.
Hannibal Lecter he definitely is not.He has an average to below average IQ.
The description is vague enough that it applies to a lot of white males as does the description of the vehicle.Too bad the police don't have a license plate number. [/*]

Well DUH,

Both known surviving victims did NOT see his face, in fact neither one did. The December victim was able to give a very general description,

A male that appeared to be Caucasian with the skin on his abdomen, groin, and upper legs noticeably lighter in color than the skin on his hands
-Likely in his early twenties to mid thirties
-Likely between 5’9” and 6’3” in height
-Large and somewhat heavy build - not overly muscular
-Medium to dark brown head hair. Body hair and facial hair was the same color as head hair
- Facial hair consisted of at least a mustache and goatee with a noticeable gap (without hair) between the ends of the moustache and the top of the goatee
-Clear fluent English with no accent or regional dialect.
-No visible tattoos on his hands, fingers, lower abdomen, groin, or genitals
-Genital and groin areas were without hair – skin noticeably smooth and consistent with use of a hair removal cream or similar hair removal process
-Large hands with “meaty” thick fingers.

This is a description of the suspect as he appeared to the victim during December 16, 2007 attack; the suspect may have altered or changed his appearance since that time

The composite drawing is not of the Nov./Dec./Jan. attacker. It is of the Oct. rape suspect, and that suspect has not been linked through DNA to the serial sexual assaults or Brianna’s murder

[Melody]

Originally posted by osubbfan


Then he truly must be a nitwit because, although it won't help catch him, it will certainly help convict him. [/*]

Ita!:beer:

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
some of his victims survived and you can presume they would know if he used a condom and that rape kits were done in the ER afterwards so the possibility this guy planted dna is so remote as to be unlikely.
He's not very bright as he allowed victims who lived to see his face and provide the police with a description and to even see the vehicle he was driving.
Hannibal Lecter he definitely is not.He has an average to below average IQ.
The description is vague enough that it applies to a lot of white males as does the description of the vehicle.Too bad the police don't have a license plate number. [/*]

This is exactly what I've been thinking - that this guy is just incredibly stupid. I don't think, either, that it was as elaborate as planting DNA - I think he just didn't care about leaving it because he knows he's not in the system. I do think he's playing games and playing with LE, but I agree with you, I tend to think he has probably a barely average or below average IQ.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
I thought it was plain silly for anyone to suggest the dna had been planted.
Anyone could see that claim wasn't making sense.Sorry if I offended anyone but sheesh..at least you would expect people to make sense on the board. [/*]

My thought also would be that he didn't care about leaving it because he knows he's not in the database ....but I don't think it's right to call anyone's opinions or speculation silly...IMO, NO opinion or idea at this point is silly and everyone is here to share thoughts and ideas. I personally enjoy hearing all of the different ideas and dont' think it's right to berate anyone or make them feel silly. It's not entirely impossible that he could have planted DNA....it wouldn't mean he did in all cases, could be just Brianna's - and no-one has said that she was actually raped. I don't feel that he planted DNA, but I don't think it's a silly idea, either.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by ATLANTIS
If anyone wants to then they can do so without my help.So I'm leaving this thread.

The killer is no criminal genius.He isn't in Codis or any dna database so he doesn't care if he leaves his dna all over the place. [/*]

This is my thought also.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan


Then he truly must be a nitwit because, although it won't help catch him, it will certainly help convict him. Even if that is the only evidence connecting him to the case it doesn't get much stronger. Maybe they should start looking for men who have an IQ below 70? :rolleyes: [/*]

Actually, though, he may be just too stupid to realize that - he may be egotistical enough to think he's never going to get caught, so it's a non-issue for him. I'm probably in the minority here, but I am tending to think the guy really IS a nitwit.

[Rosieo]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Well DUH,

I just don't understand the need for comments like this :(

[Melody]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Actually, though, he may be just too stupid to realize that - he may be egotistical enough to think he's never going to get caught, so it's a non-issue for him. I'm probably in the minority here, but I am tending to think the guy really IS a nitwit. [/*]

Could he be that crazy,he left those panties with his(?) dna on it at the crime scene!Now,imo,that's calculated and sick.
This guy is freaking me out.

[omsk99]

Maybe it's me in the minority here, but I do think he planted DNA (how else could his, Brianna's and her friend's DNA be on the same pair of underwear, unless he had some sort of relation with that friend?). I also think that because he has been able to get away three times that we know of, he is not that stupid but also has a huge ego which probably was "hurt" by a young girl rejecting him or something like that. JMO

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Melody


Could he be that crazy,he left those panties with his(?) dna on it at the crime scene!Now,imo,that's calculated and sick.
This guy is freaking me out. [/*]

It freaks me out, too - he could be that crazy, that confident or that stupid - and it's hard to believe anyone could be THAT stupid. Maybe he actually wants to be caught?

[Melody]

Originally posted by Rosieo


It freaks me out, too - he could be that crazy, that confident or that stupid - and it's hard to believe anyone could be THAT stupid. Maybe he actually wants to be caught? [/*]

Could be,who knows,I hope he will.ASAP.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99
Maybe it's me in the minority here, but I do think he planted DNA (how else could his, Brianna's and her friend's DNA be on the same pair of underwear, unless he had some sort of relation with that friend?). I also think that because he has been able to get away three times that we know of, he is not that stupid but also has a huge ego which probably was "hurt" by a young girl rejecting him or something like that. JMO [/*]

He could have stolen the undies out of the laundry room, or been in the house before that night and stolen them. If I was her friend, I would be SO freaking that my undies were with her body!

[omsk99]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23750488/

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rosieo


He could have stolen the undies out of the laundry room, or been in the house before that night and stolen them. If I was her friend, I would be SO freaking that my undies were with her body! [/*]

Oh, I am sure she is too! But it could be possible he is someone the people in that house know, that is even more freaky!

[Melody]

Originally posted by omsk99


Oh, I am sure she is too! But it could be possible he is someone the people in that house know, that is even more freaky! [/*]

I agree,would be awful!
But so possible unfortunately.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99


Oh, I am sure she is too! But it could be possible he is someone the people in that house know, that is even more freaky! [/*]

It is very possible - maybe they don't even know they've had contact with him - they, or the male roomies, may have had a party, or people over after a night at the bar, and he could be a friend of a friend who tagged along - there are, unfortunately, so many possibilities :(

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by omsk99


Oh, I am sure she is too! But it could be possible he is someone the people in that house know, that is even more freaky! [/*]

I just can't shake the feeling that he knows someone from that house, IMO. I can see the reasons why people don't think that, but I just can't help it - I think they knew him SOMEHOW.

There is this guy on the train I take home from work every day and he really creeps me out. Yesterday I had a thought that if he ever attacked me he would have to kill me, because I would recognize him and identify him....made me wonder about Brianna's attacker.

JMO

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I just can't shake the feeling that he knows someone from that house, IMO. I can see the reasons why people don't think that, but I just can't help it - I think they knew him SOMEHOW.

There is this guy on the train I take home from work every day and he really creeps me out. Yesterday I had a thought that if he ever attacked me he would have to kill me, because I would recognize him and identify him....made me wonder about Brianna's attacker.

JMO [/*]

I know what you mean - maybe he didn't kill the other girls because they didn't know him, but maybe Brianna recognized him, even if she didn't know him personally. :chicken:

And stay safe!!

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I just can't shake the feeling that he knows someone from that house, IMO. I can see the reasons why people don't think that, but I just can't help it - I think they knew him SOMEHOW.

There is this guy on the train I take home from work every day and he really creeps me out. Yesterday I had a thought that if he ever attacked me he would have to kill me, because I would recognize him and identify him....made me wonder about Brianna's attacker.

JMO [/*]

This is very, VERY possible. I've always had the feeling that it wasn't totally random. The girls he grabbed on the street, that makes sense that it was totally random - but I find it hard to believe he was just out hunting for a victim and happened to look in that door and see her (in the pitch dark), tried the door and found it unlocked. There has to be more to it - and having the friend's undies just convinces me more.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rosieo


This is very, VERY possible. I've always had the feeling that it wasn't totally random. The girls he grabbed on the street, that makes sense that it was totally random - but I find it hard to believe he was just out hunting for a victim and happened to look in that door and see her (in the pitch dark), tried the door and found it unlocked. There has to be more to it - and having the friend's undies just convinces me more. [/*]

That sounds like, a VERY possible scenario to me too. I don't think he would have come in to their house randomly just to steal undies, and then came back for Brianna or any other girl in the house, even though he is so confident, that would be very risky, even if he is really stupid.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by Rosieo


This is very, VERY possible. I've always had the feeling that it wasn't totally random. The girls he grabbed on the street, that makes sense that it was totally random - but I find it hard to believe he was just out hunting for a victim and happened to look in that door and see her (in the pitch dark), tried the door and found it unlocked. There has to be more to it - and having the friend's undies just convinces me more. [/*]

EXACTLY!! Having the friend's underwear is what REALLY convinced me....I feel like he knew that house, and how to find his way around. I hope those girls aren't still living there. Those poor things - I can't even imagine how scared they must be. I get freaked out being home alone, I can't even imagine how scary it would be to know that your friend had actually been abducted from there...I wish there were some way to offer them some support somehow.

JMO

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by omsk99
respectfully snipped

And stay safe!! [/*]

I know, I'm trying!! I am a paranoid freak after reading about all these missing persons, so trust me, it would be near impossible to get me without a fight. I literally run from my car in the parking lot to my front door. I may look like an idiot, but at least I'm aware!

JMO

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Jpanda


EXACTLY!! Having the friend's underwear is what REALLY convinced me....I feel like he knew that house, and how to find his way around. I hope those girls aren't still living there. Those poor things - I can't even imagine how scared they must be. I get freaked out being home alone, I can't even imagine how scary it would be to know that your friend had actually been abducted from there...I wish there were some way to offer them some support somehow.

JMO [/*]
I feel like he knew the house, too - if he looked in the door that night, I don't know how he would even have seen her lying there in the pitch dark, or as you said, find his way around to grab her and get her out of there without bumping into something or knocking something over. I know what I'm like, I know I'd be totally freaked thinking he's watching or following me. I hope they have moved out - I'd have been gone that very day!

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I know, I'm trying!! I am a paranoid freak after reading about all these missing persons, so trust me, it would be near impossible to get me without a fight. I literally run from my car in the parking lot to my front door. I may look like an idiot, but at least I'm aware!

JMO [/*]

It's good to be aware - better to be overly cautious than not cautious enough! I've found myself since the Kelsey Smith case always taking a look around when I leave a store, just noticing the people around me, etc., where before it would never have even occurred to me in broad daylight in a crowded store parking lot to pay any attention. I had an incident years ago on the highway, where a guy pulled alongside me, told me I was getting a flat tire, I pulled off the highway and into a gas station and he pulled off and pulled in the station behind me. Dummy me, I thought he was just being really nice - the station was closed, we got out of our vehicles and were standing there chatting very friendly - (nothing seemed wrong at all with my tire) - all of a sudden, I saw him starting at my wedding ring and the look on his face, I started shaking. It's weird how I knew in that instant, the look on his face, that I was in trouble. Without a word, he walked over, opened my car door & looked at me as if to say "get in your car and get the hell out of here." Without a word, I got in my car and burned rubber getting out of there. I was young, trusting and naive & didn't know at the time like I do now, one of the most common ways they get you is to get you to pull off the road. I have absolutely no doubt he meant to do me harm and seeing that I was married changed his mind, for whatever reason. Scared the hell out of me!

[Politigal]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I just can't shake the feeling that he knows someone from that house, IMO. I can see the reasons why people don't think that, but I just can't help it - I think they knew him SOMEHOW.

There is this guy on the train I take home from work every day and he really creeps me out. Yesterday I had a thought that if he ever attacked me he would have to kill me, because I would recognize him and identify him....made me wonder about Brianna's attacker.

JMO [/*]

I completely agree -- the killer had some level of familiarity either with the home and/or the occupants. I mean --- he *must* have been aware that the 2 boys living there were gone that night.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by Rosieo


It's good to be aware - better to be overly cautious than not cautious enough! I've found myself since the Kelsey Smith case always taking a look around when I leave a store, just noticing the people around me, etc., where before it would never have even occurred to me in broad daylight in a crowded store parking lot to pay any attention. I had an incident years ago on the highway, where a guy pulled alongside me, told me I was getting a flat tire, I pulled off the highway and into a gas station and he pulled off and pulled in the station behind me. Dummy me, I thought he was just being really nice - the station was closed, we got out of our vehicles and were standing there chatting very friendly - (nothing seemed wrong at all with my tire) - all of a sudden, I saw him starting at my wedding ring and the look on his face, I started shaking. It's weird how I knew in that instant, the look on his face, that I was in trouble. Without a word, he walked over, opened my car door & looked at me as if to say "get in your car and get the hell out of here." Without a word, I got in my car and burned rubber getting out of there. I was young, trusting and naive & didn't know at the time like I do now, one of the most common ways they get you is to get you to pull off the road. I have absolutely no doubt he meant to do me harm and seeing that I was married changed his mind, for whatever reason. Scared the hell out of me! [/*]



:eek: Oh my god!!! How scary!!! Thank god you got out of there okay.

Reading all these cases definitely makes me more aware. I totally hear ya about the Kelsey Smith case - I'm now aware of my surroundings when leaving a store in broad daylight too!

And since poor Brianna, I TRIPLE check to make sure all my doors and windows are locked. It sucks, but you can never feel too safe in today's world. IMO

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Politigal


I completely agree -- the killer had some level of familiarity either with the home and/or the occupants. I mean --- he *must* have been aware that the 2 boys living there were gone that night. [/*]

I agree, or he didn't know they lived there at all, if they had been gone a while, and he only saw the girls in/around the house. Either way, I, too, don't think it was a random.

[Politigal]

Originally posted by omsk99


I agree, or he didn't know they lived there at all, if they had been gone a while, and he only saw the girls in/around the house. Either way, I, too, don't think it was a random. [/*]

It's been puzzling to me....

Lots of news reports gave the names of the girls who lived at the home - Jessica Deal and KT Hunter, but I've yet to see one that named the 2 guys who lived there, and I would love to research the circle of friends that those guys have.

I did do some digging and actually found one of the guys, and communicated in IM's with him but he wouldn't give me more info. He did say that even he had slept on that same couch before.

From a myspace cached page, he's the guy in the middle ---

http://tinyurl.com/25qhmf

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Jpanda




:eek: Oh my god!!! How scary!!! Thank god you got out of there okay.

I was shaking for hours after that - it was SO dumb of me to pull over, and to pull in and stop when he pulled in behind me, but I was so naive and thinking he was just being nice - that's how those things happen :( When you're young, you tend to be more trusting, I think - at least, that was the case with me. He was driving an old beat up van & I didn't realize until afterwards, he was looking around while we were talking - to see who was around, I'm sure. I was very lucky. The change in his demeanor when he saw my wedding ring was just instant, and frightening.


Reading all these cases definitely makes me more aware. I totally hear ya about the Kelsey Smith case - I'm now aware of my surroundings when leaving a store in broad daylight too!

I'd have never even thought before that, that someone would grab me in broad daylight in a crowded parking lot - if nothing else, at least her death did serve a purpose in making a lot more women more aware.



And since poor Brianna, I TRIPLE check to make sure all my doors and windows are locked. It sucks, but you can never feel too safe in today's world. IMO [/*]

ITA, not now :( I've always been really careful with my doors and windows - I never forget to check before bed and I never ever leave a window open at night in the summer, they get closed and locked at bedtime. I've been living here for 27 years and nothing has ever happened except a couple of petty thefts from garages, but I'm not naive enough to think it's totally safe - unfortunately, nowhere is any more.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by TwoFour


Realistically she was a very easy target because the door wasn't even locked and she passed out just inside the doorway. JMO [/*]

Although I agree she was an easy target, how did he know to try the door in that particular house :confused: Also, wouldn't it have been dark in the room?

He might have watched them coming into the house and not locking the door (I guess he would have to hear that no lock was turned)...

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Politigal


It's been puzzling to me....

Lots of news reports gave the names of the girls who lived at the home - Jessica Deal and KT Hunter, but I've yet to see one that named the 2 guys who lived there, and I would love to research the circle of friends that those guys have.

I did do some digging and actually found one of the guys, and communicated in IM's with him but he wouldn't give me more info. He did say that even he had slept on that same couch before.

From a myspace cached page, he's the guy in the middle ---

http://tinyurl.com/25qhmf [/*]

omone showed me his pic last night from his current myspace page - I wish I'd have saved the link -

Is it just me that thinks it's strange he picked this quote for his page?

"Grandma: What happened to that nice girlfriend of yours? Happy Gilmore: Oh, She got hit by a car, she's dead."

Female
97 years old
RENO, Nevada
United States


and his comment about finding a fat girl who wants to wait until marriage for sex and laugh at her and walk away - BLECH!!! another idiot!

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by TwoFour


Realistically she was a very easy target because the door wasn't even locked and she passed out just inside the doorway. JMO [/*]

From all accounts, she didn't "pass out" - she texted her BF and then went to sleep.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by TwoFour


They did a show on Greta and you could see in from the street. imo [/*]

You dould see in from the street - but it would have been dark in the house at that time of morning and even being able to see in, it would take a lot of guts to just decide to walk up and try the door and go in and take her with no knowledge of the house or who lived there, IMO.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99


Although I agree she was an easy target, how did he know to try the door in that particular house :confused: Also, wouldn't it have been dark in the room?

He might have watched them coming into the house and not locking the door (I guess he would have to hear that no lock was turned)... [/*]

ITA - doesn't seem likely to me.

[concerned]

Originally posted by Politigal


I completely agree -- the killer had some level of familiarity either with the home and/or the occupants. I mean --- he *must* have been aware that the 2 boys living there were gone that night. [/*]

I tend to believe he was familiar with them also. It would explain why he killed Brianna and let the others go?? She would have been able to identify him:shrug:

[Politigal]

Originally posted by Rosieo


omone showed me his pic last night from his current myspace page - I wish I'd have saved the link -

Is it just me that thinks it's strange he picked this quote for his page?

"Grandma: What happened to that nice girlfriend of yours? Happy Gilmore: Oh, She got hit by a car, she's dead."

Female
97 years old
RENO, Nevada
United States


and his comment about finding a fat girl who wants to wait until marriage for sex and laugh at her and walk away - BLECH!!! another idiot! [/*]

yep, the mindset he & his buddies have about women is degrading IMO....referring to themselves as "beer pig slayers"

according to someone else I've communicated with though, his DNA was eliminated, but I'm very curious about his buddies.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Politigal


yep, the mindset he & his buddies have about women is degrading IMO....referring to themselves as "beer pig slayers"

according to someone else I've communicated with though, his DNA was eliminated, but I'm very curious about his buddies. [/*]

Me too, and also about his or his buddies' girl-friends, that underwear is still unclaimed.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Politigal


yep, the mindset he & his buddies have about women is degrading IMO....referring to themselves as "beer pig slayers"

according to someone else I've communicated with though, his DNA was eliminated, but I'm very curious about his buddies. [/*]

I was reading the comments on his page - Yuck. I can't STAND guys like that. His buddies sound the same way, so it could have been one of his friends or someone who showed up at a party or something - looks like he does a LOT of partying, drinking for a week straight - I remember KT commenting that "people are in and out of the house a lot" and it looks like the girls do a bit of partying too, so it's entirely possible that at some point, there was a guy in the house that no-one knew well - tagged along after hours at the bar or something. Just thinking back to my younger days whe I did a lot of partying - entirely possible.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by omsk99


Me too, and also about his or his buddies' girl-friends, that underwear is still unclaimed. [/*]

Exactly - or a girl he and/or his buddies picked up in a bar and brought home - may not want someone to know they're her undies - a SO or something.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae


This is only my opinion, of course....but

Her friend's DNA would be on the underwear just from wearing them.

Brianna's DNA on those same panties could have come from having the panties used as a gag.

Thus both DNA profiles on the one pair of panties. No sort of relationship needed..

Like you, I don't believe he is "that stupid".

I figure he isn't in the data base so feels safe. [/*]

I don't know a lot about DNA, but if they were washed and clean, her DNA wouldn't be on them, would it? That may be a dumb question since I don't know a lot about DNA, just wondering if it would all be washed away in the wash - I'd assume it would, but I don't know for sure. If that is the case, then somehow, he got them after they were worn and before they were washed. ICK!! It would just freak me out that my panties were used in ANY way in her death, even more so if they were used as a gag. I'm weird that way, I guess, I'd just be freaked if I knew anything of mine was with her, on her, touching her when she died, as if it "connected" me somehow :( Not legally, but emotionally. I tend to think he's extremely stupid, extremely crazy or both - but I agree, I think he felt confident dropping his DNA all over because he knows he's not in the database. Maybe just another way to laugh at LE.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by logicworks
Her name is Juliana Redding, for anyone interested.

Here is another link. Hope this one works.

http://laist.com/2008/03/18/aspiring_model.php [/*]

Interesting - she does resemble Bri - and Santa Monica is only about 1.5 hours from Santa Barbara, where Bri was in school. Forgive me, I did have to laugh at the name of her short movie "Kathy T gives good Hoover" - The people who make up the names for these movies HAVE to be laughing when they decide on a name. In any case, sad that another beautiful young woman is gone :(