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RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 07:42 AM

Morning n/t - I guess I should have started it - I'm bringing over a couple of posts I made this morning on the March 5th thread...

Here are several links...it has Christine's first appeal where she asks for prayers and for people to put this on their blogs and MySpace. I'm not sure why she has not added Nicholas' picture to her MySpace.

The rest of the links deal with the appeal for money and her thank you.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.p...=5472516&page=1
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.p...5472516&page=64

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.p...5472516&page=72

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.p...472516&page=101

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by desmom
IIRC, it was reported NF left the office a little after 6. How much traffic/foot traffic would be in the area at that time of day?

TIA [/*]
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I believe Seattle Matt said there would be a lot of people milling around that area that time of day, leaving work, walking places, etc. I posed a question yesterday about his walking up the hill. Did he have to pass the alleyway or an area where the homeless camp out?

n/t

03-06-2008, 07:49 AM

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by n/t

Hi Rainy,

I asked about the going "up here" question last night also and I mentioned you. What else was "up here" and why would the coworker assume Nicholas was going to Safeway? Also, why wouldn't Nicholas say something like my car is parked up here or I'm going up here to get my car?

Sigh, I wish we had more answers. [/*]

I had the same thought about just saying "my car is up here", but figured someone would slam me...its got to where you have to tiptoe around here to even try and discuss this case.

I did have another thought after reading the pages last night. Christine stated that nothing unusual happened that day. Maybe it wasn't unusual for her, but maybe there was something unusual for Nicholas. He may have gotten wind of the layoffs. Now please understand he may be on the cutting edge of what his company wants and needs - I'm just throwing this out there. Even if the announcement wasn't official, employees talk. What if he heard thru the grapevine that he was going to be laid off. Christine freaked about his online business not doing as good as she thought and he may have just been on overload thinking about telling her of this possibility.

Resigned from the church 2 days before
2 children - 1 on the way
Possible job loss

Sometimes men take the loss of a job very personal - it affects their self-esteem and ego. If he did just get on overload, maybe he got in the car and just didn't go home. If they hadn't found the car, I could add maybe he just kept driving. If he did just leave I think he would have been near a mental breakdown as I do not think he would just deliberately out of selfishness walk off from them.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Morning n/t - I guess I should have started it - I'm bringing over a couple of posts I made this morning on the March 5th thread...

Here are several links...it has Christine's first appeal where she asks for prayers and for people to put this on their blogs and MySpace. I'm not sure why she has not added Nicholas' picture to her MySpace.

The rest of the links deal with the appeal for money and her thank you.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.p...=5472516&page=1
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.p...5472516&page=64

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.p...5472516&page=72

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.p...472516&page=101 [/*]

Morning Rainy. I don't know if anyone else is having trouble but those links wouldn't work for me.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Well from the photos Matt posted it looked like Publicis was on a street that was a hill. When you came out of the Publicis building, NF parked his car on the street going in the direction, UP the hill.
Safeway was also up the hill about 350 ft. It looked like any other city street with large buildings on both sides of those streets. He did not say what all the other buildings were. If you go back and look at those photos he posted you will have a better idea of the area. [/*]

I've looked at the pictures several times - however I would not know from looking at them what type of foot traffic would be around the time Nicholas left work.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Morning Rainy. I don't know if anyone else is having trouble but those links wouldn't work for me. [/*]

Aarghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh let me try again

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 08:23 AM

I copied and pasted the entire URL so I don't know what is wrong...they worked in the past lol. I've got to get ready for work but I'll try as soon as I can.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I copied and pasted the entire URL so I don't know what is wrong...they worked in the past lol. I've got to get ready for work but I'll try as soon as I can. [/*]

Thanks Rainy. No worries.

n/t

03-06-2008, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by Snowbird
Good Morning Everyone:seeya:

I had already asked this on yesterdays thread but decided to post it here also.

1.What types of garbage containers do they use in that area?
2.Do they have large 30/50 gal garbage containers or the bigger dumpster/roll offs?
3 Do they have these inside that parking garage?Just curious about that alley and inside the Parking garage.
4. What about at the Costco/Safeway? huge dumpsters behind store.

5. Was NF the type of person that would lend a hand if he thought someone/stranger needed help? Someone with car problems etc.

My husband is extremely friendly and talks to everyone EVEN strangers and would lend a hand to help anyone he thought needed help. He has even driven strangers/senior citizens home from the grocery store before.
Does anyone know if NF was like that because in todays times that is a DANGEROUS thing to do. [/*]

Great questions Snowbird. I hope someone from that area can fill us in.

n/t

03-06-2008, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Well from the photos Matt posted it looked like Publicis was on a street that was a hill. When you came out of the Publicis building, NF parked his car on the street going in the direction, UP the hill.
Safeway was also up the hill about 350 ft. It looked like any other city street with large buildings on both sides of those streets. He did not say what all the other buildings were. If you go back and look at those photos he posted you will have a better idea of the area. [/*]

Where are the photos? Are they on the Links thread?

n/t

03-06-2008, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I had the same thought about just saying "my car is up here", but figured someone would slam me...its got to where you have to tiptoe around here to even try and discuss this case.

I did have another thought after reading the pages last night. Christine stated that nothing unusual happened that day. Maybe it wasn't unusual for her, but maybe there was something unusual for Nicholas. He may have gotten wind of the layoffs. Now please understand he may be on the cutting edge of what his company wants and needs - I'm just throwing this out there. Even if the announcement wasn't official, employees talk. What if he heard thru the grapevine that he was going to be laid off. Christine freaked about his online business not doing as good as she thought and he may have just been on overload thinking about telling her of this possibility.

Resigned from the church 2 days before
2 children - 1 on the way
Possible job loss

Sometimes men take the loss of a job very personal - it affects their self-esteem and ego. If he did just get on overload, maybe he got in the car and just didn't go home. If they hadn't found the car, I could add maybe he just kept driving. If he did just leave I think he would have been near a mental breakdown as I do not think he would just deliberately out of selfishness walk off from them. [/*]

Yeah that would be a big blow especially if he was just promoted a few months ago, IIRC.

I think Christine posted that on the blog about getting promoted to Art Director or something like that.

n/t

03-06-2008, 08:40 AM

This is what Christine posted about the promotion.

*though it’s none of your business Nicholas was on a studio salary and not on an art director salary as he was up for his raise in the coming months. he was promoted last summer to the art director position.

So Nicholas was promoted last summer and was awaiting a raise in salary in the coming months. If he was one of the employees losing his job, I could understand how difficult that would be for him.

Not saying that's the case because we don't know if he was one of the employees who was going to get laid off but I find it interesting that the company hired a PI to help with the search.

n/t

03-06-2008, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Snowbird

The links are on one of the shorter daily threads , maybe Monday, not sure. These buildings look more like office buildings a few maybe with condo's above them. I will look for them in a few minutes. [/*]

Thanks Snowbird. I'm heading out the door. I'll check in from work.

Please post the link on the links thread also for easier referencing.

TIA!

Have a good day all!:seeya:

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 08:44 AM

dianaelaine

03-06-2008, 09:17 AM

Some morning thoughts:

1. Did they say if they found N's fingerprints on the car (door, handle)?

2. If they did, can they tell how recent they are or no?

3. If he reached his car, or had gotten in, that's one way you go with thoughts, etc.

4. If he did NOT reach his car, there's another way you go.

5. I wonder if they've looked inside any dumpsters in the area, or large garbage containers?

6. Are they even considering dragging the water in the area?

7. How about having an undercover cop, hanging out with the homeless for a few days?

8. Undercover cop in a few local bars, listening.

9. Have they gone through his desk at work?

10. If I were C, and I got the car back, I'd be searching that car, in every nook & cranny, where LE might have missed.

So he either didn't reach his car, because of foul play or abducted into another vehicle, or he went willingly with somebody else.

If he DID reach his car, he either met somebody elsewhere, or something happened after that.

dianaelaine

03-06-2008, 09:40 AM

What about running his social security number?

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 09:43 AM

Trying again....(if they don't work I don't know what else to do)

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472950&page=4

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.p...5472516&page=72

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.p...472516&page=101

looks like a couple of them don't - :( Anyway Christine did send a note saying when she logged in she was flooded with paypal email. She thanked everyone and explained how hard it was on the kids (I'm paraphrasing). I know it was posted on the board several times.

n/t

03-06-2008, 09:54 AM

You know, I'm reading all the wonderful suggestions being put forth by all of you and I'm sitting here scratching my head.

Wouldn't LE think of all these things? Like check the computer records, checking dumpsters, talking to the homeless, his social security number,etc etc.

Maybe they did all of this but haven't released any of the information to the public but it would be great to get some sort of update so some of it can be ruled out.

I hope I'm making sense.

desmom

03-06-2008, 09:58 AM

Good Morning!

I looked for: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11333125#post11333125

Originally posted by Maranantha
I emailed the reporter who was covering Nic for the Seattle Times, asking if there was any news at all, even if only so little news that nothing could be published.

Here's her reply:

HI ****, Unfortunately, there is no new news about Mr. Francisco. A colleague of mine is writing a story for tomorrow about his wife and what she is now facing. Very sad. Thank you so much for caring about him and taking the time to write. Best wishes, Christine Clarridge

Just an FYI. [/*]

but did not see the story. ST may have bumped it for another story. Hopefully tomorrow.

huskiki

03-06-2008, 09:58 AM

Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

I added Nicholas to my blog last night. This morning I checked my stats and saw that people got to my blog by searching his name, so I guess it's more exposure.

I'm off to a meeting but will be back to catch up.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by huskiki
Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

I added Nicholas to my blog last night. This morning I checked my stats and saw that people got to my blog by searching his name, so I guess it's more exposure.

I'm off to a meeting but will be back to catch up. [/*]

Thats great Kim :)

need2no

03-06-2008, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by desmom
Good Morning!

I looked for: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11333125#post11333125

but did not see the story. ST may have bumped it for another story. Hopefully tomorrow. [/*]

I didn't see it either. :(

n/t

03-06-2008, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Okay they have been added to the links thread. [/*]

Thanks so much Snowbird!

Did Nicholas presumeably park his car on that road to safeway?

Also, wonder why he wouldn't have used the parking garage.

mc528

03-06-2008, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Trying again....(if they don't work I don't know what else to do)

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472950&page=4

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.p...5472516&page=72

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.p...472516&page=101

looks like a couple of them don't - :( Anyway Christine did send a note saying when she logged in she was flooded with paypal email. She thanked everyone and explained how hard it was on the kids (I'm paraphrasing). I know it was posted on the board several times. [/*]

Here are links for the last two that work:

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=72

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=101

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by mc528

Here are links for the last two that work:

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=72

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=101 [/*]

Thanks mc - do you see a difference in my link and yours? I'm trying to figure out why they don't work - I hate sending dead links lol.

huskiki

03-06-2008, 10:58 AM

mc528

03-06-2008, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thanks mc - do you see a difference in my link and yours? I'm trying to figure out why they don't work - I hate sending dead links lol. [/*]

No...I couldn't see a problem either, except on the last one, the first digit of the thread number was missing (a 5 needed to be before the 4). I just cut and paste from the thread # and beyond, for the the two that didn't work onto a link that did. Must be a quirk with cut and paste. :shrug:

need2no

03-06-2008, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by n/t
This is what Christine posted about the promotion.

*though it’s none of your business Nicholas was on a studio salary and not on an art director salary as he was up for his raise in the coming months. he was promoted last summer to the art director position.

So Nicholas was promoted last summer and was awaiting a raise in salary in the coming months. If he was one of the employees losing his job, I could understand how difficult that would be for him.

Not saying that's the case because we don't know if he was one of the employees who was going to get laid off but I find it interesting that the company hired a PI to help with the search. [/*]

Hmmmm...since reading your post I am now giving more thought to this than when we originally discussed it.

I had an employer in the past who occassionally would promote people (and give them the new title) but hold off the salary increase for 60-90 days for the person to prove they were the right fit and could perform the job requirements in the new position. This also allowed the employee time to master the new duties of the job before they were judged on their performance.

Christine stated NF was promoted in the summer and awaiting a raise in the coming months. Even assuming he was promoted as late as August, in February that would be six months and he was STILL waiting for the salary to go with the title.Something is strange here, that amount of time seems excessive and unreasonable to me and I don't know of anyone waiting this long for the salary increase-in fact it sounds illegal. He's performing the job duties and responsibilities for at least six months but isn't reaping the benefit of the salary for that increased responsibility. Now I'm wondering if during the six months he did something which was discovered and gave the employer some justification to hold off on the salary increase, but allowed NF to remain in the position to "save face". And if so, wouldn't this have made NF angry and resentful toward his employer, (if he felt the accusations were untrue, exaggerated, or unwarranted, or even if he was just pissed he got caught), OR maybe he was just scared after he got caught and concerned that whatever he did might become known in the company, community, or his church and cause him embarressment, or worse yet, cost him his job. And he felt if this became public knowledge he would have a hard time securing another job in this field he loved. Was he also worried CF would find out and be angry or disappointed. Was something discovered and NF was put on probation by withholding the salary increase, and this prior 'discovery' of a wrong doing justified holding back on the salary increase. Was something discovered a second time, or perhaps the employer was currently doing an internal investigation. Did this prior discovery of wrong doing also result in the employer hiring a PI to investigate further when the employer learned NF was missing. Couldn't all this and the knowledge the company was downsizing cause NF to be worried, stressed and depressed..then Christine announces she is pregnant with their third child. And there is the resignation from their church 2 days before he disappears......oh my.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by huskiki

I like the theory that he found out that he was getting laid off because to me it makes a lot of sense as to what happened next. At first you wouldn't think that someone who has just received a promotion and was climbing the corporate ladder would be first on the list of layoffs. Then when you stop to think about it from a business perspective it starts to make sense. When it comes time to trim the fat in corportate America those in management positions are usually the first to go. There is usually more management then there are worker bees and they make more money.

So if Nicholas caught wind that he was going to be laid off, and yes there are usually leaks of such information, then who knows what kind of affect this could have had on him. [/*]

Of course then my mind really takes off and I wonder if that is why they hired the PI - did they somehow feel responsible or guilty about something?

n/t

03-06-2008, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by huskiki

I like the theory that he found out that he was getting laid off because to me it makes a lot of sense as to what happened next. At first you wouldn't think that someone who has just received a promotion and was climbing the corporate ladder would be first on the list of layoffs. Then when you stop to think about it from a business perspective it starts to make sense. When it comes time to trim the fat in corportate America those in management positions are usually the first to go. There is usually more management then there are worker bees and they make more money.

So if Nicholas caught wind that he was going to be laid off, and yes there are usually leaks of such information, then who knows what kind of affect this could have had on him. [/*]

I agree. That's how it normally happens. They cut the higher paying jobs.

Also the fact that he got his promotion last summer and didn't get a raise right away is bizarre. Normally, the raise is given along with the promotion, doesn't it? That's how it's done where I work but maybe other places don't.

mc528

03-06-2008, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Originally posted by desmom
IIRC, it was reported NF left the office a little after 6. How much traffic/foot traffic would be in the area at that time of day?

TIA [/*]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I believe Seattle Matt said there would be a lot of people milling around that area that time of day, leaving work, walking places, etc. I posed a question yesterday about his walking up the hill. Did he have to pass the alleyway or an area where the homeless camp out? [/*]

If indeed there is generally a lot of foot traffic in the area, then if Nicholas was abducted or accosted on his way to his car, or even in the Costco parking lot, it would have to have been done in such a way as to not draw any attention whatsoever to the situation. People do not necessarily even notice others going to and from their cars, unless something unusual is happening to make them stand out. Since, by all accounts, no-one except for the one co-worker remembered anything, which leads me to believe that he probably was not attacked by a random thug or homeless person. If he was abducted/accosted it sounds more like the works of true professionals to me. But for what motive? MOO/JMO/IMO

mc528

03-06-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Of course then my mind really takes off and I wonder if that is why they hired the PI - did they somehow feel responsible or guilty about something? [/*]

The fact that his company hired the PI is something that I still can't figure out either. In my mind, I really believe that there is a connection somehow to their reasons for doing so and NF's disappearance. JMO

huskiki

03-06-2008, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by n/t

I agree. That's how it normally happens. They cut the higher paying jobs.

Also the fact that he got his promotion last summer and didn't get a raise right away is bizarre. Normally, the raise is given along with the promotion, doesn't it? That's how it's done where I work but maybe other places don't. [/*]

Any time I've been promoted the raise was in the next paycheck. I don't know about anybody else here but I wouldn't be working in a new position, assuming new responsibilities and not get compensated for it. I think I would wait a month tops before I would be saying "show me the money".

This leads me to ask, how often was Nicholas paid? Weekly, bi-weekly, twice a month or once a month? If he's only paid once a month then I would give it two months to kick in.

n/t

03-06-2008, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by need2no

Hmmmm...since reading your post I am now giving more thought to this than when we originally discussed it.

I had an employer in the past who occassionally would promote people (and give them the new title) but hold off the salary increase for 60-90 days for the person to prove they were the right fit and could perform the job requirements in the new position. This also allowed the employee time to master the new duties of the job before they were judged on their performance.

Christine stated NF was promoted in the summer and awaiting a raise in the coming months. Even assuming he was promoted as late as August, in February that would be six months and he was STILL waiting for the salary to go with the title.Something is strange here, that amount of time seems excessive and unreasonable to me and I don't know of anyone waiting this long for the salary increase-in fact it sounds illegal. He's performing the job duties and responsibilities for at least six months but isn't reaping the benefit of the salary for that increased responsibility. Now I'm wondering if during the six months he did something which was discovered and gave the employer some justification to hold off on the salary increase, but allowed NF to remain in the position to "save face". And if so, wouldn't this have made NF angry and resentful toward his employer, (if he felt the accusations were untrue, exaggerated, or unwarranted, or even if he was just pissed he got caught), OR maybe he was just scared after he got caught and concerned that whatever he did might become known in the company, community, or his church and cause him embarressment, or worse yet, cost him his job. And he felt if this became public knowledge he would have a hard time securing another job in this field he loved. Was he also worried CF would find out and be angry or disappointed. Was something discovered and NF was put on probation by withholding the salary increase, and this prior 'discovery' of a wrong doing justified holding back on the salary increase. Was something discovered a second time, or perhaps the employer was currently doing an internal investigation. Did this prior discovery of wrong doing also result in the employer hiring a PI to investigate further when the employer learned NF was missing. Couldn't all this and the knowledge the company was downsizing cause NF to be worried, stressed and depressed..then Christine announces she is pregnant with their third child. And there is the resignation from their church 2 days before he disappears......oh my. [/*]

Christine also mentioned Nicholas had to sign off on a project. I wonder what that means.

Here is what she posted.

"He had to sign off on a project at work"

n/t

03-06-2008, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by huskiki

Any time I've been promoted the raise was in the next paycheck. I don't know about anybody else here but I wouldn't be working in a new position, assuming new responsibilities and not get compensated for it. I think I would wait a month tops before I would be saying "show me the money".

This leads me to ask, how often was Nicholas paid? Weekly, bi-weekly, twice a month or once a month? If he's only paid once a month then I would give it two months to kick in. [/*]

2 months max, I would think. But not 6 or more. If he got the promotion in the summer that is way over the norm, imo.

dianaelaine

03-06-2008, 11:27 AM

Am I invisible? :shrug:

need2no

03-06-2008, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by n/t

Christine also mentioned Nicholas had to sign off on a project. I wonder what that means.

Here is what she posted.

"He had to sign off on a project at work" [/*]

This is a great addition or continuation of my thoughts. Perhaps he had to sign off on knowledge of the internal investigation, or an extension of holding off on the salary increase until the investigation was completed. Maybe the company hired PI is doing more investigating of NF's work product than actually looking for the missing man, to determine a reason for him skipping out. Or the PI is trying to find him because the employer plans to press charges.

LE IF YOU ARE READING HERE....PLEASE SUBPONEA NICHOLAS' PERSONNEL FILE.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by huskiki

Any time I've been promoted the raise was in the next paycheck. I don't know about anybody else here but I wouldn't be working in a new position, assuming new responsibilities and not get compensated for it. I think I would wait a month tops before I would be saying "show me the money".

This leads me to ask, how often was Nicholas paid? Weekly, bi-weekly, twice a month or once a month? If he's only paid once a month then I would give it two months to kick in. [/*]

Same here - if you get a promotion, the pay raise should be on the next check after the promotion is made known to you.

huskiki

03-06-2008, 11:33 AM

On signing off ...

This could mean a multitude of things in the buisness world. Projects and documents for those projects need to be signed off on all the time. It's all a process. Personally I haven't read that much into his statement on signing off on something but that could change if you guys come up with more theories. LOL

dianaelaine

03-06-2008, 11:37 AM

YUP, I'm invisible.:hat:

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
YUP, I'm invisible.:hat: [/*]

No I see you in your cute little hat :seeya:

huskiki

03-06-2008, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
YUP, I'm invisible.:hat: [/*]

Not with that hat :D

need2no

03-06-2008, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Same here - if you get a promotion, the pay raise should be on the next check after the promotion is made known to you. [/*]

As I posted upthread-
I had an employer in the past who occassionally would promote people (and give them the new title) but hold off the salary increase for 60-90 days for the person to prove they were the right fit and could perform the job requirements in the new position. This also allowed the employee time to master the new duties of the job before they were judged on their performance.

This was usually done in a situation where the employee had performed well in their current position and they were interested in the promotion, but management wasn't confident they had all the skills needed for the higher position. The 60-90 day waiting period (for the salary increase) was justified as OJT. The employee was also given the 60-90 days to determine if they were happy in the new position and able to perform the responsibilities of the job, if not they could be demoted during the 60-90 day period if their job or a similar job was available. (If no job was available they were stuck and would be given the raise.) Supposedly this would not have any negative affect on their future with the company, or consideration for future promotions. I do recall 2 women who stepped back down to their former positions. There are pros and cons with this plan.

Again...six months is really out there and I've never heard of such.
There must be some underlying reason for this.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by need2no

As I posted upthread-
I had an employer in the past who occassionally would promote people (and give them the new title) but hold off the salary increase for 60-90 days for the person to prove they were the right fit and could perform the job requirements in the new position. This also allowed the employee time to master the new duties of the job before they were judged on their performance.

This was usually done in a situation where the employee had performed well in their current position and they were interested in the promotion, but management wasn't confident they had all the skills needed for the higher position. The 60-90 day waiting period (for the salary increase) was justified as OJT. The employee was also given the 60-90 days to determine if they were happy in the new position and able to perform the responsibilities of the job, if not they could be demoted during the 60-90 day period if their job or a similar job was available. (If no job was available they were stuck and would be given the raise.) Supposedly this would not have any negative affect on their future with the company, or consideration for future promotions. I do recall 2 women who stepped back down to their former positions. There are pros and cons with this plan.

Again...six months is really out there and I've never heard of such.
There must be some underlying reason for this. [/*]

Yes that happens also - usually called an "in training" status to see if employee/employer are aptly suited. But as you stated, not 6 months - never heard of that before.

mc528

03-06-2008, 11:53 AM

I'm not sure that CF's comment meant that he was promoted to the Art Director position last summer and still awaiting the pay increase from that position change/promotion. The director postion could very well be a studio salaried position (change in title only...happens all the time in companies). The reference to an upcoming raise could simply be an annual increase....those are typically given in the first quarter of the year, or on the anniversay of a job position, after an annual review process. JMO

dianaelaine

03-06-2008, 11:59 AM

I was just wondering if any of you saw my 'morning thoughts' post.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by mc528

If indeed there is generally a lot of foot traffic in the area, then if Nicholas was abducted or accosted on his way to his car, or even in the Costco parking lot, it would have to have been done in such a way as to not draw any attention whatsoever to the situation. People do not necessarily even notice others going to and from their cars, unless something unusual is happening to make them stand out. Since, by all accounts, no-one except for the one co-worker remembered anything, which leads me to believe that he probably was not attacked by a random thug or homeless person. If he was abducted/accosted it sounds more like the works of true professionals to me. But for what motive? MOO/JMO/IMO [/*]

A thug or homeless person would generally leave the person where they attacked them or close by, and most likely tried to access his bank accounts. I feel like if he met foul play it would have to have been done by someone close to him. Although, not completely unheard of. A sexual preditor is unlikely. If he ran off, there should be a trail on how he got out of the area, a bus, a train, a plane. Something, as he didn't take his own vehicle nor have we heard he rented one or anything like that. There would also be money missing from somewhere. You can't get far w/out any money.

huskiki

03-06-2008, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by mc528
I'm not sure that CF's comment meant that he was promoted to the Art Director position last summer and still awaiting the pay increase from that position change/promotion. The director postion could very well be a studio salaried position (change in title only...happens all the time in companies). The reference to an upcoming raise could simply be an annual increase....those are typically given in the first quarter of the year, or on the anniversay of a job position, after an annual review process. JMO [/*]

That's a good point. Sometimes the title brings more benefits than the salary. I would still want a raise! LOL We have our annual reviews sometime in January and our annual increase appears in our first March paycheck.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
I was just wondering if any of you saw my 'morning thoughts' post. [/*]

I did Diana and just what I can glean from reading what limited information we have, I don't think there is a full court press from LE, due to the fact they haven't determined if there really is foul play. I think they should err on the side of caution myself meaning LOOK for him with whatever resources they have.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Some morning thoughts:

1. Did they say if they found N's fingerprints on the car (door, handle)? Not that i've read so far.

2. If they did, can they tell how recent they are or no? They can tell the last person who touched the handles, probably not how long ago that was.

3. If he reached his car, or had gotten in, that's one way you go with thoughts, etc. Checking to see if the drivers seat settings would have been right for him, is all I can think of. If there are any prints on the steering wheel belonging to anyone else.

4. If he did NOT reach his car, there's another way you go. Someone drove that car to the condo. Needs to be determined if it was infact, Nick.

5. I wonder if they've looked inside any dumpsters in the area, or large garbage containers? Good question. I hope they did.

6. Are they even considering dragging the water in the area? They should if he doesn't turn up. But most likely he would wash up. It's a good ways to the ocean. Unlikely anyone put him there.

7. How about having an undercover cop, hanging out with the homeless for a few days? Doubtful the Le would use resources that way. Who knows, they might. Never heard of them doing that w/a missing persons case. They may check homeless shelters.

8. Undercover cop in a few local bars, listening.

9. Have they gone through his desk at work? I would hope so, as well as his computers.

10. If I were C, and I got the car back, I'd be searching that car, in every nook & cranny, where LE might have missed. Me too.

So he either didn't reach his car, because of foul play or abducted into another vehicle, or he went willingly with somebody else. I think he would most likely have known who he went off w/. Stranger abduction would be unlikely w/a male.

If he DID reach his car, he either met somebody elsewhere, or something happened after that. [/*] I think he either meet someone he knew or ran off of his own choice.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 12:10 PM

the facebook is a page they put it up to find him I think

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Seattle-WA/Nicholas-Francisco/10760854531

field of snow

03-06-2008, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
here is another interesting link

http://adorneya.stumbleupon.com/tag/nicholas-francisco/ [/*]

She's one of the Etsy people.

need2no

03-06-2008, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
On signing off ...

This could mean a multitude of things in the buisness world. Projects and documents for those projects need to be signed off on all the time. It's all a process. Personally I haven't read that much into his statement on signing off on something but that could change if you guys come up with more theories. LOL [/*]

Of course there are a multitude of things he could have had to sign off on, and this might not have anything to do with anything except NF performing his normal job duties. I'm just trying to imagine me telling my DH I will be leaving work after I sign off on something versus just saying I've got one more thing to take care of and then I'm out of here. Sometimes a statement says more than appears on the surface.

On the other hand it could very well be related to, and the very thing that caused Nicholas to walk away from everything and everybody. At the very least it is something that should be investigated, along with an interview of NF's manager and a subponea of his personnel file. With so little to go on NOTHING should be dismissed at this point. And who knows...maybe LE has found out something and is investigating further right now. Perhaps this is the reason for no recent updates.

Sunday Moon

03-06-2008, 12:23 PM

Hey everyone!

Here's something I was wondering: Has he been diagnosed or treated for Depression or mental illness? I don't know that even if he was we would know the answer */c of HIPAA but I certainly hope that it's been looked at. Trust me, from personal experience, you can have Depression and appear to be a happy go lucky person. One example: My chiropractor was always smiley and happy. He had a thriving practice, good marriage, and four successful daughters that loved him dearly. My mom (who was friends with him) said they always came into the office hugging him and calling him Daddy. This past fall he was found in his office dead, put a bullet into his head. He would be the LAST person suspected but obviously, he wasn't happy. Suicide is a definite possibility here. I realize there are no signs but there are no signs of ANYTHING so I wanted to throw that out there. Are they exploring that option?

need2no

03-06-2008, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
Member

Registered: Feb 2008
Location:
Posts: 131
i have been searching the web this morning i found a couple of things

1st this link.......... notice the name
http://trailheadchurch.org/?p=173
[/*]

From your link:
February 24th, 2008
Some of you may have heard of the missing person search going on in Seattle for Nicholas Johnson…

Not to be too picky, but the poster on that link should have proof read what she wrote...the correct name of a missing person is pretty important. Thank goodness she linked an article about Nicholas FRANCISCO.

huskiki

03-06-2008, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Of course there are a multitude of things he could have had to sign off on, and this might not have anything to do with anything except NF performing his normal job duties. I'm just trying to imagine me telling my DH I will be leaving work after I sign off on something versus just saying I've got one more thing to take care of and then I'm out of here. Sometimes a statement says more than appears on the surface.

On the other hand it could very well be related to, and the very thing that caused Nicholas to walk away from everything and everybody. At the very least it is something that should be investigated, along with an interview of NF's manager and a subponea of his personnel file. With so little to go on NOTHING should be dismissed at this point. And who knows...maybe LE has found out something and is investigating further right now. Perhaps this is the reason for no recent updates. [/*]

This is true, nothing should be ruled out. I wonder if LE did subponea his personnel file. One would think that the empolyer would have offered that up since they have hired a PI, unless of course they are trying to cover something up. Perhaps the PI was hired to "take care" of Nicholas once and for all. Now that theory is out there but if just came to me so I went with it.

Sunday Moon

03-06-2008, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner
I'm truly surprised that Greta has not even mentioned Nic lately that I have heard. She's usually pretty good about keeping up with missing persons and getting their names and pictures out there.
This whole case seems strange to me. [/*]

She has also been good with getting back to people through email and I emailed her last Friday about this and haven't heard a word. :shrug:

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 12:31 PM

What I don't understand about Nancy and Greta is that this missing case would fit their show agenda. Beautiful wholesome couple - beautiful children, trying to achieve their goals and dreams, dad is on his way home to bake cookies. They could milk this story for weeks as they have done with other stories.

dianaelaine

03-06-2008, 12:38 PM

I just found this on one of the posts C wrote:

He ran around this morning asking for daddy. He looks for him everywhere, even behind plants he looks for him," she said.

Speaking of her son ... that's SO sad.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 12:38 PM

field of snow

03-06-2008, 12:39 PM

I still think he vanished voluntarily, but just to play with the foul play idea and how it might be linked to his promotion and the layoffs..

He was "foul played" by another employee at Publicis who was jealous of Nicholas for getting the Art Director position he/she felt should they have been given. Maybe this person got a hint that layoffs were coming and if they got rid of Nicholas, he/she could have the Art Director job they felt they deserved (and that the AD position was presumably layoff-proof?).

Sounds too much like fiction (book, movie, CSI Miami), but so does a lot of this.

Meh

I still go back to the that iPhone or just a regular cell phone and that nobody had a charger for him to plug into to rejuice his phone. In an office like tha?!?. Especially an iPhone charger. One of those creative geeks surely had one. Nobody lets their iPhone die! When he told his coworkers about it, did they offer to let him plug it in and he declined? (because it was a set up to take off?)

Again, i'll ask -- I swore someone here in these threads said they had a friend who worked at Publicis?

Nellie

03-06-2008, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by Sunday Moon

She has also been good with getting back to people through email and I emailed her last Friday about this and haven't heard a word. :shrug: [/*]

She hasn't answered me either. Maybe I should try Nancy Grace.

need2no

03-06-2008, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
What I don't understand about Nancy and Greta is that this missing case would fit their show agenda. Beautiful wholesome couple - beautiful children, trying to achieve their goals and dreams, dad is on his way home to bake cookies. They could milk this story for weeks as they have done with other stories. [/*]

Exactly, and it's not like they have been reporting on any major case updates or big news lately..last night Greta spent a good amount of time talking to the author of a new book that is being released.

Nancy has often had the poster of the missing person (and sometimes along with some family photos) and shown it while she stated please help this family locate their loved one, just before she breaks for commercial or at the end of the show. The fact that she hasn't done this, and especially after interviewing Christine, is suspicious to me.

Breazy

03-06-2008, 12:42 PM

Good Day Everyone! :seeya:

Seems like I'm always lagging behind and playing catch-up. I also apologize if this has been addressed but I posted this reply on yesterday's thread this morning and I thought I'd bring it over to get others thoughts . . .

Originally posted by n/t

I don't get the Safeway assumption though. And why wouldn't Nicholas just say "My car is parked up here"?

Is there anything else up here besides the Safeway? [/*]

Maybe Safeway was the only place "up here" to go. But for the co-worker to assume Nicholas was going to Safeway, it would have had to have been unusual for Nicholas to park "up here." Otherwise he would assume Nicholas was talking about "to his car" since they were leaving for the day. I mean, why would he assume "Safeway" and not "To His Car." Not unless Nicholas had mentioned sometime between the call with Christine and walking out the door that he had to run up to Safeway. But why would he even say that, especially since we've been told he was going to Costco for Organiic Sugar. So if it was unusual to park "up here" I wonder why Nicholas would have that day and why Christine would just believe he was talking about to his car. I guess what I'm getting at is why did the co-worker assume "Safeway" and Christine assume "To His Car."

Just something I thought of . . . don't have any further thoughts about where that leads. :confused:

WootieTizz

03-06-2008, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

I am thinking they walked out of the building together and perhaps the friend was parked in the garage or a different direction so NF just said I am going "up here" (meaning this direction) and pointed up the hill in the direction of where his car was parked.

He had most likely already mentioned the sugar at an earlier time but the friend just thought he meant Safeway because both were in the same direction. Just simply a mis-communication. [/*]

Hi, Everyone! :seeya: I've been a lurker here since the start of this case, and lurking over at WebSleuths since Chandra Levy went missing.

I've pretty much read everything there is to read on this case and one thing has been bothering me.
On the Donovan family blog, the wife posts about getting a call from Christine on the 14th and mentions Safeway. I would assume Christine would have given his best friend's wife accurate details of where he was headed.
Here is the link: http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/2008/02/please-pray.html
Yet, Christine says Nick's coworker was just speculating about Safeway on her recent "Get The Facts" post on the family website. That leaves me a bit confused...

Anyways, it is great to be here among so many intelligent people trying to figure these mysteries out. I probably wouldn't have a job anymore if my boss knew how much time I spend on this board.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by snowfield
I still think he vanished voluntarily, but just to play with the foul play idea and how it might be linked to his promotion and the layoffs..

He was "foul played" by another employee at Publicis who was jealous of Nicholas for getting the Art Director position he/she felt should they have been given. Maybe this person got a hint that layoffs were coming and if they got rid of Nicholas, he/she could have the Art Director job they felt they deserved (and that the AD position was presumably layoff-proof?).

Sounds too much like fiction (book, movie, CSI Miami), but so does a lot of this.

Meh

I still go back to the that iPhone or just a regular cell phone and that nobody had a charger for him to plug into to rejuice his phone. In an office like tha?!?. Especially an iPhone charger. One of those creative geeks surely had one. Nobody lets their iPhone die! When he told his coworkers about it, did they offer to let him plug it in and he declined? (because it was a set up to take off?)

Again, i'll ask -- I swore someone here in these threads said they had a friend who worked at Publicis? [/*]

That was MystryPhobia I think.

wondering?

03-06-2008, 12:46 PM

Not sure if anyone has posted the update on the Donovan website but here it is:

http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/

Having to take time to read up on everyones comments yesterday and today. Hard to keep up and still do the daily duties of a homemaker!

Would so like to sign on and fine that he has been found/has come home!

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by WootieTizz

Hi, Everyone! :seeya: I've been a lurker here since the start of this case, and lurking over at WebSleuths since Chandra Levy went missing.

I've pretty much read everything there is to read on this case and one thing has been bothering me.
On the Donovan family blog, the wife posts about getting a call from Christine on the 14th and mentions Safeway. I would assume Christine would have given his best friend's wife accurate details of where he was headed.
Here is the link: http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/2008/02/please-pray.html
Yet, Christine says Nick's coworker was just speculating about Safeway on her recent "Get The Facts" post on the family website. That leaves me a bit confused...

Anyways, it is great to be here among so many intelligent people trying to figure these mysteries out. I probably wouldn't have a job anymore if my boss knew how much time I spend on this board. [/*]

Welcome Wootietizz - lol I love that name....I think it would be realllllllll important if they could get everybody together to try and figure out where Nicholas was really headed - for some silly reason I think that could be very helpful :)

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
has there been anything about C's family, ie: Mom, dad siblings...
if so, sorry i missed it [/*]

I've seen her sister's name mentioned on the ETSY thread.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 01:02 PM

Don't know what kind of organic sugar Christine wanted but Safeway does sell organic products. Baking stuff is listed??

http://shop.safeway.com/corporate/safeway/o_organics_main.asp

need2no

03-06-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
has there been anything about C's family, ie: Mom, dad siblings...
if so, sorry i missed it [/*]

hmm...good question, I don't recall reading anything about her family. Christine does have a pic at flickr of her grandparents, but I didn't see any pics of her parents or siblings. :confused:

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by WootieTizz

Hi, Everyone! :seeya: I've been a lurker here since the start of this case, and lurking over at WebSleuths since Chandra Levy went missing.

I've pretty much read everything there is to read on this case and one thing has been bothering me.
On the Donovan family blog, the wife posts about getting a call from Christine on the 14th and mentions Safeway. I would assume Christine would have given his best friend's wife accurate details of where he was headed.
Here is the link: http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/2008/02/please-pray.html
Yet, Christine says Nick's coworker was just speculating about Safeway on her recent "Get The Facts" post on the family website. That leaves me a bit confused...

Anyways, it is great to be here among so many intelligent people trying to figure these mysteries out. I probably wouldn't have a job anymore if my boss knew how much time I spend on this board. [/*]

Welcome Wootie. Chandra Levy. Wow. That's a long time ago, about time you signed up. Keep posting...Look forward to getting to know ya.

mc528

03-06-2008, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by WootieTizz

Hi, Everyone! :seeya: I've been a lurker here since the start of this case, and lurking over at WebSleuths since Chandra Levy went missing.

I've pretty much read everything there is to read on this case and one thing has been bothering me.
On the Donovan family blog, the wife posts about getting a call from Christine on the 14th and mentions Safeway. I would assume Christine would have given his best friend's wife accurate details of where he was headed.
Here is the link: http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/2008/02/please-pray.html
Yet, Christine says Nick's coworker was just speculating about Safeway on her recent "Get The Facts" post on the family website. That leaves me a bit confused...

Anyways, it is great to be here among so many intelligent people trying to figure these mysteries out. I probably wouldn't have a job anymore if my boss knew how much time I spend on this board. [/*]

I saw that post on the Donovan blog early on as well, and I was also confused as to why the store was later insisted to be Costco. That change has always seemed odd to me. JMO

Breazy

03-06-2008, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by Breazy
Good Day Everyone! :seeya:

Seems like I'm always lagging behind and playing catch-up. I also apologize if this has been addressed but I posted this reply on yesterday's thread this morning and I thought I'd bring it over to get others thoughts . . .

Maybe Safeway was the only place "up here" to go. But for the co-worker to assume Nicholas was going to Safeway, it would have had to have been unusual for Nicholas to park "up here." Otherwise he would assume Nicholas was talking about "to his car" since they were leaving for the day. I mean, why would he assume "Safeway" and not "To His Car." Not unless Nicholas had mentioned sometime between the call with Christine and walking out the door that he had to run up to Safeway. But why would he even say that, especially since we've been told he was going to Costco for Organiic Sugar. So if it was unusual to park "up here" I wonder why Nicholas would have that day and why Christine would just believe he was talking about to his car. I guess what I'm getting at is why did the co-worker assume "Safeway" and Christine assume "To His Car."

Just something I thought of . . . don't have any further thoughts about where that leads. :confused: [/*]

Anybody have any thoughts?

field of snow

03-06-2008, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by need2no

hmm...good question, I don't recall reading anything about her family. Christine does have a pic at flickr of her grandparents, but I didn't see any pics of her parents or siblings. :confused: [/*]

There are pictures of her sister and who I assume (and maybe there was a reference?) to be her mother and possibly a stepfather?

There doesn't seem to be any friend photos, except for Nicholas' friends. I am sure they are all couple friends now, but I wondered if she had any friends from HS, moms groups, her daugther's dance lessons, etc.

I hope she has friends. (other then her new virtual friends)

need2no

03-06-2008, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam
Don't know what kind of organic sugar Christine wanted but Safeway does sell organic products. Baking stuff is listed??

http://shop.safeway.com/corporate/safeway/o_organics_main.asp [/*]

I thought most every major chain carried organic sugar these days. Of the 4 grocery stores I shop in they all have organic sugar. Perhaps she needed a large bag and only Costco carried that size. But it seems NF would have either bought several smaller bags, or purchased the amount needed for the cookies that night, and then gone the next day to purchase a larger quantity for whatever other reasons she may have needed the sugar. Wouldn't he have wanted to get home as soon as possible to have dinner and then start baking cookies so the children could get to bed at a decent time.

isitme

03-06-2008, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
has there been anything about C's family, ie: Mom, dad siblings...
if so, sorry i missed it [/*]

The only mention of her parents that I found was here:

http://thefranciscos.com/

in her post titled Brrrrrr where she mentions staying with them in Dec 2006.

But that certainly doesn't mean that that is the only mention of them out there or that they still live there, live near her, or are still alive.

n/t

03-06-2008, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

Anybody have any thoughts? [/*]

Well it seems that Christine originally told her friend per the link above that Nicholas was headed for Safeway.

So I'm stumped. Was it the car? Safeway? Costco?

huskiki

03-06-2008, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Amaryllis
I think Christine and her organic sugar ploy is just another one of her many untruths about the Costco thing I don't think he was ever going to Costco..........I think something has happened to him....I think he is dead....And he got in someones car that he knew and trusted.......
Like I've said I hope I'm wrong..I will gladly eat Crow(with gravy).
If he has ran away........Something about this case is all wrong........It's to neat.....MOO! [/*]

I'm with you and I think the media is too. It doesn't surprise me that Greata and Nancy have stopped covering this. Although they should to uncover the truth behind it all. IMO JMO

field of snow

03-06-2008, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by need2no

I thought most every major chain carried organic sugar these days. Of the 4 grocery stores I shop in they all have organic sugar. Perhaps she needed a large bag and only Costco carried that size. But it seems NF would have either bought several smaller bags, or purchased the amount needed for the cookies that night, and then gone the next day to purchase a larger quantity for whatever other reasons she may have needed the sugar. Wouldn't he have wanted to get home as soon as possible to have dinner and then start baking cookies so the children could get to bed at a decent time. [/*]

I still haven't made it to Costco to check out the Organic Sugar offerings, but last night at our pathetic local little grocery store that doesn't have anything I need ever, there were several choices for organic sugar.

I would guess he would be in a hurry, too but maybe she also planned to start a batch of facial sugar scrubs the next morning and the larger bag from Costco was more economical if they were watching every penny. I know Costco is never a quick trip with me, but my husband does what he calls a "surgical strike" -- going just in for what he needs and out. Personally, I have to go up and down every aisle! (same with Target!).

The friend's blog mention of Safeway is odd though.

isitme

03-06-2008, 01:22 PM

Also about this Iphone thing am I wrong in my belief that AT&T are the only service providers for the Iphone? Wasn't it reproted that the cell phone records came from T-mobile?

Having so little knowledge in this area (my husband deals with - that stuff - I just pay the bills ;) ) so I'm :confused:

field of snow

03-06-2008, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Maybe the co-worker lied about Safeway and the phone being dead. Maybe the Co-Worker is the one that made NF disappear. It is usually best to just keep it simple. Since the Co-Workers remarks are the hardest to figure out and make sense of, he might be the one to look at. [/*]

To expand on my idea above, that coworker is the one who should have been given the Art Director position.

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Hmmmm...since reading your post I am now giving more thought to this than when we originally discussed it.

I had an employer in the past who occassionally would promote people (and give them the new title) but hold off the salary increase for 60-90 days for the person to prove they were the right fit and could perform the job requirements in the new position. This also allowed the employee time to master the new duties of the job before they were judged on their performance.

Christine stated NF was promoted in the summer and awaiting a raise in the coming months. Even assuming he was promoted as late as August, in February that would be six months and he was STILL waiting for the salary to go with the title.Something is strange here, that amount of time seems excessive and unreasonable to me and I don't know of anyone waiting this long for the salary increase-in fact it sounds illegal. He's performing the job duties and responsibilities for at least six months but isn't reaping the benefit of the salary for that increased responsibility. Now I'm wondering if during the six months he did something which was discovered and gave the employer some justification to hold off on the salary increase, but allowed NF to remain in the position to "save face". And if so, wouldn't this have made NF angry and resentful toward his employer, (if he felt the accusations were untrue, exaggerated, or unwarranted, or even if he was just pissed he got caught), OR maybe he was just scared after he got caught and concerned that whatever he did might become known in the company, community, or his church and cause him embarressment, or worse yet, cost him his job. And he felt if this became public knowledge he would have a hard time securing another job in this field he loved. Was he also worried CF would find out and be angry or disappointed. Was something discovered and NF was put on probation by withholding the salary increase, and this prior 'discovery' of a wrong doing justified holding back on the salary increase. Was something discovered a second time, or perhaps the employer was currently doing an internal investigation. Did this prior discovery of wrong doing also result in the employer hiring a PI to investigate further when the employer learned NF was missing. Couldn't all this and the knowledge the company was downsizing cause NF to be worried, stressed and depressed..then Christine announces she is pregnant with their third child. And there is the resignation from their church 2 days before he disappears......oh my. [/*]

They could have had the position come available.. given it to him and then when he got his annual review they would retro pay him for the pay difference?

The last company I worked for did that alot. My boss was always late on reviews by a few months then we would get a big check afterwards to make up the difference in pay.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by isitme
Also about this Iphone thing am I wrong in my belief that AT&T are the only service providers for the Iphone? Wasn't it reproted that the cell phone records came from T-mobile?

Having so little knowledge in this area (my husband deals with - that stuff - I just pay the bills ;) ) so I'm :confused: [/*]

You can unlock the iPhone and put a sim card from another provider like Tmobile...or even a pay as you go where you cannot be tracked...

n/t

03-06-2008, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by need2no

I thought most every major chain carried organic sugar these days. Of the 4 grocery stores I shop in they all have organic sugar. Perhaps she needed a large bag and only Costco carried that size. But it seems NF would have either bought several smaller bags, or purchased the amount needed for the cookies that night, and then gone the next day to purchase a larger quantity for whatever other reasons she may have needed the sugar. Wouldn't he have wanted to get home as soon as possible to have dinner and then start baking cookies so the children could get to bed at a decent time. [/*]

And Safeway would've been the closest place, right? Not sure how far Costco is from where he works but I'm guessing he would've had to drive there.

hmmmm.....Christine mentions Safeway and then for some reason changes it to Costco, coworker said Safeway and the "up here" is a Safeway.

So where in the world did the Costco come from and why would Christine change her story?

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by isitme
Also about this Iphone thing am I wrong in my belief that AT&T are the only service providers for the Iphone? Wasn't it reproted that the cell phone records came from T-mobile?

Having so little knowledge in this area (my husband deals with - that stuff - I just pay the bills ;) ) so I'm :confused: [/*]

Well I hope someone comes along that can answer this because you bring up a good point.

huskiki

03-06-2008, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by isitme
Also about this Iphone thing am I wrong in my belief that AT&T are the only service providers for the Iphone? Wasn't it reproted that the cell phone records came from T-mobile?

Having so little knowledge in this area (my husband deals with - that stuff - I just pay the bills ;) ) so I'm :confused: [/*]

I think you're right. I thought it was reported that the cell records came from T-mobil. T-mobil doesn't offer the iPhone. Good catch! So was there another phone?

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by snowfield

You can unlock the iPhone and put a sim card from another provider like Tmobile...or even a pay as you go where you cannot be tracked... [/*]

I thought she was asking about the cell phone records being released. TMobile released them, and Christine said his phone was his personal phone.

mc528

03-06-2008, 01:27 PM

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 01:28 PM

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by snowfield

To expand on my idea above, that coworker is the one who should have been given the Art Director position. [/*]

Hmmm.. interesting theory snowfield. And not one that has been discussed. You do have to wonder..

I have heard that him and another co worker were leaving together and NF was asked if he had any plans.. he said he was stopping to get sugar to make V. Day cookies with his daughter. They got out side and said he said.. I'm going up here.. which was a different way as the other employee so they parted ways. The employee just figured he was going to get the sugar at Safeway.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Hmmm.. interesting theory snowfield. And not one that has been discussed. You do have to wonder..

I have heard that him and another co worker were leaving together and NF was asked if he had any plans.. he said he was stopping to get sugar to make V. Day cookies with his daughter. They got out side and said he said.. I'm going up here.. which was a different way as the other employee so they parted ways. The employee just figured he was going to get the sugar at Safeway. [/*]

I've always thought they should start where he was last seen - thats why details - no matter how minute should be under a microscope.

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I've always thought they should start where he was last seen - thats why details - no matter how minute should be under a microscope. [/*]

Yep.. and that is THE last known person to see him. Not a bad place to start.

need2no

03-06-2008, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

They could have had the position come available.. given it to him and then when he got his annual review they would retro pay him for the pay difference?

The last company I worked for did that alot. My boss was always late on reviews by a few months then we would get a big check afterwards to make up the difference in pay. [/*]

True, this is another logical explanation, and I've personally had this situation happen to me.

Does anybody know Nicholas' hire date?

field of snow

03-06-2008, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I think you're right. I thought it was reported that the cell records came from T-mobil. T-mobil doesn't offer the iPhone. Good catch! So was there another phone? [/*]

Well the "cell phone" has never been referenced to as an "iPhone", which I have found odd if he was still using that as is his cell phone (I believe his iPhone photo on Flickr was from last year. Unless something happened to it or he sold it for cash, I doubt he wouldn't still be using it)

So yes, even though he used an iPhone (if), he could use a Tmobile sim card in it and that is why records would come from Tmobile.

And he could also now have a pay as you go card in it and still using it..

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Yep.. and that is THE last known person to see him. Not a bad place to start. [/*]

Wonder why the coworker assumed he was going to Safeway. Yeah I understand Safeway is up the hill, but he had just asked him what plans he had and N told him about the cookies - it would seem like Costco would have been mentioned even if it was in the context of ugh - gotta go to Costco for sugar - going to bake cookies with my daughter tonight.

need2no

03-06-2008, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by n/t

And Safeway would've been the closest place, right? Not sure how far Costco is from where he works but I'm guessing he would've had to drive there.

hmmmm.....Christine mentions Safeway and then for some reason changes it to Costco, coworker said Safeway and the "up here" is a Safeway.

So where in the world did the Costco come from and why would Christine change her story? [/*]

Yes, it's my understanding he could walk to Safeway, but would have to drive to Costco. Apparently there is a Costco and a Costco warehouse nearby.

Grande has some good maps pin pointed here:

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2562&page=5

Scroll down to post # 43.

Also go back to page 3 for other maps she has pin pointed.

I wish she would do a map pin pointing Safeway along with the Costco stores, and include the Francisco house, and the location where his car was discovered all on one map. (I'm kinda greedy, huh?)
Maybe I will ask her to do that.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 01:45 PM

Snowbird --

http://www.flickr.com/photos/francisco/353212423/

That is him with his iPhone last year on Jan 10.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/

It is made by Apple computer and in addition to using it like a cell phone, you can do web browsing, email, music, etc. As you can see, it has a nice screen compared to smaller cell phones. It's like a mini-laptop in a way. They aren't exactly cheap. You also do not need to use cell service to access the internet if you are near a wireless internet connection.

AT&T wireless is the official provider for iPhone mobile service. The hacker geeks have "unlocked" the phone's software that allows someone to use what is called a sim card (that is in every cell phone) from another provider. If this is what NF was using when he went missing, that means he put a Tmobile Sim Card in the phone.

If this isn't the cell phone that died on him and he went missing with, that means either he also has the iPhone, it's at home, He sold it, it broke, whatever.

need2no

03-06-2008, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by snowfield

There are pictures of her sister and who I assume (and maybe there was a reference?) to be her mother and possibly a stepfather?

There doesn't seem to be any friend photos, except for Nicholas' friends. I am sure they are all couple friends now, but I wondered if she had any friends from HS, moms groups, her daugther's dance lessons, etc.

I hope she has friends. (other then her new virtual friends) [/*]

Thank you! Are these women sitting on a sofa? If not, do you have a link to the pics you are referring to?

isitme

03-06-2008, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by snowfield

You can unlock the iPhone and put a sim card from another provider like Tmobile...or even a pay as you go where you cannot be tracked... [/*]

Ok so someone can unlock their Iphone and thereby bypass AT&T to use another provider - what would be the advantage to doing that?

What would be the disadvantage to unlocking it?

Do we know that NF unlocked his? (Assuming that he did own one. I know there is a picture that shows him with one and a caption about it being his new Iphone so I suppose we could make that assumption.)

And can someone tell me why this matters at all?:shrug:

field of snow

03-06-2008, 01:52 PM

Referenced as Papa and Nana, so I assume her parents (mom and stepdad or stepmom and dad? I am not sure...)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bellafrancisco/281942468/in/set-72157594351055911/

This is who I assumed to be a sister (her name is Lisa, but the one references on Etsy was named Janell?):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bellafrancisco/333018413/in/set-72157594438278618/

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Wonder why the coworker assumed he was going to Safeway. Yeah I understand Safeway is up the hill, but he had just asked him what plans he had and N told him about the cookies - it would seem like Costco would have been mentioned even if it was in the context of ugh - gotta go to Costco for sugar - going to bake cookies with my daughter tonight. [/*]

Maybe he stopped there often after work. With it being that close to his work, I would think it was easy for CF to call and say.. honey, can you grab this on your way home. The conversation was probably casual.. you know.. like two people getting ready to leave for the night.. running into each other on the way out of the building. I don't find it odd that he didn't say where he was getting sugar.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by isitme

Ok so someone can unlock their Iphone and thereby bypass AT&T to use another provider - what would be the advantage to doing that?

What would be the disadvantage to unlocking it?

Do we know that NF unlocked his? (Assuming that he did own one. I know there is a picture that shows him with one and a caption about it being his new Iphone so I suppose we could make that assumption.)

And can someone tell me why this matters at all?:shrug: [/*]

Well the advantage of doing that is because you want to keep your current provider or in this example, the provider where you can get a discount through your employer.

We don't know if NF unlocked his. We don't even know if he still was using it since that photo on Jan 10. No mention of an iPhone at all in the reports. I find that odd because in that world (Creative/Art/Mac-friendly/Apple-loving/Seattle/West Coast), iPhone as a name is very branded and it should have been referenced an iPhone not just a cell phone. (I hope that makes sense)

Why it matters is that it could mean he has another cell phone and internet tool out there to ping. And it also could mean that if he did disappear on his own, he could have replaced the sim card to a untraceable Pay-as-You-Go.

So many possibilities.

I'm sorry if I am still confusing those who aren't up with that type of stuff.

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by snowfield
Snowbird --

http://www.flickr.com/photos/francisco/353212423/

That is him with his iPhone last year on Jan 10.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/

It is made by Apple computer and in addition to using it like a cell phone, you can do web browsing, email, music, etc. As you can see, it has a nice screen compared to smaller cell phones. It's like a mini-laptop in a way. They aren't exactly cheap. You also do not need to use cell service to access the internet if you are near a wireless internet connection.

AT&T wireless is the official provider for iPhone mobile service. The hacker geeks have "unlocked" the phone's software that allows someone to use what is called a sim card (that is in every cell phone) from another provider. If this is what NF was using when he went missing, that means he put a Tmobile Sim Card in the phone.

If this isn't the cell phone that died on him and he went missing with, that means either he also has the iPhone, it's at home, He sold it, it broke, whatever. [/*]

Oh, wow, I hadn't noticed the date on that photo before. Hey, he couldn't have had a REAL iPhone on Jan 10 2007! Those phones didn't come out until June 29, 2007. I saw the people lined up outside the local Apple store waiting to get them! See his comment "make your own" -- maybe being a graphic artist, he "made" an iPhone replica -- I mean, it's just a photo, right?

Man, if Nicholas IS reading these boards, he's probably had quite a chuckle on this.

Musterion

03-06-2008, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by n/t
So where in the world did the Costco come from and why would Christine change her story? [/*]

Maybe she didn't change her story.

On the Donovan Family page they state that they were called by Christine on the 14th saying Nick was missing.

Then, it states that Nick left work at 6:10PM and headed to Safeway.

Maybe, in the confusion that follows a catastrophe, Christine was relaying what it was that the last person who was with Nick said. And maybe that was part of what she told the Donovan's.

It may have been in the context of "Nicholas didn't come home! So and so said when they walked out with him that he said he was going to Safeway! I don't understand that! I asked him to go to Costco but they said he was headed to Safeway! I don't understand!"

The Donovan's may have just relayed, on their website, what they saw was relevant at the time.

In the following days the information that LE got or that Christine received seems to have made clearer, to them, what store Nick intended to stop at.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

But did you all check out this ( This is from 14 months ago though )

nfrancisco says:
www.iphonecountdown.com/

make yer own!
Never mind I just figures it out. [/*]

yeah, it was a countdown to getting your iPhone. Totally geeky, but I don't know anyone with an iPhone who didn't get geeked out about it. LOL

(My countdown is 8 days to go!)

need2no

03-06-2008, 02:01 PM

I've posted a poll on the main page if anyone is interesting in voting. I wanted to include walked but met with foul play as an option but the poll only allows 5 choices. If anyone thinks this may have happened you can mark other and explain in your post.

I hope everyone will go to the poll and vote. It will be interesting to see what the majority here are thinking.

TIA

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by snowfield

Well the advantage of doing that is because you want to keep your current provider or in this example, the provider where you can get a discount through your employer.

We don't know if NF unlocked his. We don't even know if he still was using it since that photo on Jan 10. No mention of an iPhone at all in the reports. I find that odd because in that world (Creative/Art/Mac-friendly/Apple-loving/Seattle/West Coast), iPhone as a name is very branded and it should have been referenced an iPhone not just a cell phone. (I hope that makes sense)

Why it matters is that it could mean he has another cell phone and internet tool out there to ping. And it also could mean that if he did disappear on his own, he could have replaced the sim card to a untraceable Pay-as-You-Go.

So many possibilities.

I'm sorry if I am still confusing those who aren't up with that type of stuff. [/*]

See my other post -- Nicholas couldn't have had a REAL iPhone on Jan 10 2007. That was almost 6 months before they were even released -- I doubt he could have even had a sample or model version. Even the people at the Apple stores didn't get them til June. Very clever replica though.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Oh, wow, I hadn't noticed the date on that photo before. Hey, he couldn't have had a REAL iPhone on Jan 10 2007! Those phones didn't come out until June 29, 2007. I saw the people lined up outside the local Apple store waiting to get them! See his comment "make your own" -- maybe being a graphic artist, he "made" an iPhone replica -- I mean, it's just a photo, right?

Man, if Nicholas IS reading these boards, he's probably had quite a chuckle on this. [/*]

LOL...oh yeah. That's funny. Okay, FORGET iPHONES Everyone! ROFLMAO!

Edited to add: I think I just got my Amateur PI license taken away from me....*sigh*

need2no

03-06-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by snowfield

yeah, it was a countdown to getting your iPhone. Totally geeky, but I don't know anyone with an iPhone who didn't get geeked out about it. LOL

(My countdown is 8 days to go!) [/*]

Can I ask what the cost is? My teenage son wants one for his birthday.

need2no

03-06-2008, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

See my other post -- Nicholas couldn't have had a REAL iPhone on Jan 10 2007. That was almost 6 months before they were even released -- I doubt he could have even had a sample or model version. Even the people at the Apple stores didn't get them til June. Very clever replica though. [/*]

ROFL...good catch. Maybe you should post this on the links thread so we don't have to continue to explore the phone issue.:) The devil is in the details!

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Maybe she didn't change her story.

On the Donovan Family page they state that they were called by Christine on the 14th saying Nick was missing.

Then, it states that Nick left work at 6:10PM and headed to Safeway.

Maybe, in the confusion that follows a catastrophe, Christine was relaying what it was that the last person who was with Nick said. And maybe that was part of what she told the Donovan's.

It may have been in the context of "Nicholas didn't come home! So and so said when they walked out with him that he said he was going to Safeway! I don't understand that! I asked him to go to Costco but they said he was headed to Safeway! I don't understand!"

The Donovan's may have just relayed, on their website, what they saw was relevant at the time.

In the following days the information that LE got or that Christine received seems to have made clearer, to them, what store Nick intended to stop at. [/*]

Makes perfect sense to me!

field of snow

03-06-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Can I ask what the cost is? My teenage son wants one for his birthday. [/*]

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nnmm=browse&node=home/iphone/iphone

I am getting 16Gig one.

But now we need to ignore the iPhone talk. I didn't think about the June release (it seems like i've been waiting FOREVER more than year for one myself!)

My bad. :(

K Anne

03-06-2008, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
...its got to where you have to tiptoe around here to even try and discuss this case. [/*]

If it helps anyone here, there is only one topic I'm tiptoeing around and it's not because of anything any of you have said or how you've reacted. It's because that topic scares the sh*t out of me.

Don't tiptoe because of other posters; we're all essentially here for the same reasons.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Morning Rainy. I don't know if anyone else is having trouble but those links wouldn't work for me. [/*]

Links worked 2 hours ago for me, but not now. ?!

need2no

03-06-2008, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by need2no
I've posted a poll on the main page if anyone is interesting in voting. I wanted to include walked but met with foul play as an option but the poll only allows 5 choices. If anyone thinks this may have happened you can mark other and explain in your post.

I hope everyone will go to the poll and vote. It will be interesting to see what the majority here are thinking.

TIA [/*]

BUMPING AND QUOTING MYSELF HERE. lol

I see 8 people have viewed the poll but none have voted.

Let me explain for those who are new to polls here. You can vote WITHOUT commenting and your vote will be anoymous. It only takes a second, just mark your choice. You can only vote once, but you can view the results as often as you want to.

Ok guys please place your vote as to what you think most likely happened based on what we know as of today. Thank-you!

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

If it helps anyone here, there is only one topic I'm tiptoeing around and it's not because of anything any of you have said or how you've reacted. It's because that topic scares the sh*t out of me.

Don't tiptoe because of other posters; we're all essentially here for the same reasons. [/*]

OOOOOOH now I wanna know.. :D

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by need2no

BUMPING AND QUOTING MYSELF HERE. lol

I see 8 people have viewed the poll but none have voted.

Let me explain for those who are new to polls here. You can vote WITHOUT commenting and your vote will be anoymous. It only takes a second, just mark your choice. You can only vote once, but you can view the results as often as you want to.

Ok guys please place your vote as to what you think most likely happened based on what we know as of today. Thank-you! [/*]

I voted!

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by snowfield

LOL...oh yeah. That's funny. Okay, FORGET iPHONES Everyone! ROFLMAO!

Edited to add: I think I just got my Amateur PI license taken away from me....*sigh* [/*]

Oh, that iPhone thing had me going too! My goodness, I was looking up the cost of phone chargers for a non-existent (or probably "made of cardboard") phone! I even asked my son as I was giving him a ride to work today about the chargers -- he works at the Apple retail store and has been an Apple fanatic since middle school. (He bought me a Mac Mini for Christmas, so determined is he to convert me from the evil Microsoft world!) In fact, now that I think about it, I'm almost sure that he "made" an iPhone or iPod out of cardboard once too.

Well photos sure can be deceiving! And it's good to pay attention to the details...

need2no

03-06-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I voted! [/*]

Thank you, it looks like a couple of people voted while I was typing my latest request. :)

Jpanda

03-06-2008, 02:17 PM

I voted foul play....I just think it's been too long and he would have contacted someone by now. :(

bitsy555

03-06-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Thank you, it looks like a couple of people voted while I was typing my latest request. :) [/*]

I voted. :)

Breazy

03-06-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Maybe the co-worker lied about Safeway and the phone being dead. Maybe the Co-Worker is the one that made NF disappear. It is usually best to just keep it simple. Since the Co-Workers remarks are the hardest to figure out and make sense of, he might be the one to look at. [/*]

Definitely a legitimate possibility! Wonder if LE questioned him rather intensely since he was allegedley the last person to see Nicholas. I bet they just asked a few questions and discounted any involvment. Maybe they should ask more . . .

field of snow

03-06-2008, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Oh, that iPhone thing had me going too! My goodness, I was looking up the cost of phone chargers for a non-existent (or probably "made of cardboard") phone! I even asked my son as I was giving him a ride to work today about the chargers -- he works at the Apple retail store and has been an Apple fanatic since middle school. (He bought me a Mac Mini for Christmas, so determined is he to convert me from the evil Microsoft world!) In fact, now that I think about it, I'm almost sure that he "made" an iPhone or iPod out of cardboard once too.

Well photos sure can be deceiving! And it's good to pay attention to the details... [/*]

Well I am kicking myself because I noticed the "readymech" tag on the photo. I know what readymech is (click on it and look at public photos of other readymech tagged pics). I'm am such a dork.

need2no

03-06-2008, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I voted. :) [/*]

Thank-you, I think we will all find the results interesting. Hopefully we will soon hear more details/information about this case and we may need another poll if it seems people's opinions are changing.

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Beth
HEY! I just thought of something. Wasn't that article supposed to come out today? Has anybody seen it yet? [/*]

It didn't make it into today's paper. (I just glanced through a hard copy too to be sure).

need2no

03-06-2008, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Beth
HEY! I just thought of something. Wasn't that article supposed to come out today? Has anybody seen it yet? [/*]

I looked this morning but couldn't find it.

need2no

03-06-2008, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by snowfield

Well I am kicking myself because I noticed the "readymech" tag on the photo. I know what readymech is (click on it and look at public photos of other readymech tagged pics). I'm am such a dork. [/*]

LOL

I wonder if my son would accept a cardboard iphone for his birthday....somehow I don't think he would see the humor.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Of course then my mind really takes off and I wonder if that is why they hired the PI - did they somehow feel responsible or guilty about something? [/*]

Hrm. My take on their move to hire a PI is that this is how they show their support of their employees and employees' families. I don't know how big the company is but I imagine it is a close-knit group and that NF was well-liked there at all levels.

Even in larger companies, employers do shell out money, time, or resources to show support when one of their own is in crisis.

Likely when his company got wind of him being missing, everyone in the office went first into shock and then into action. That happens at all levels, from the mailroom guy and receptionist all the way up to the top. What happened on Etsy is a good example of how people in groups respond quickly to take up action on behalf of an individual; someone voices an idea and it snowballs and takes on a life of its own.

You all think someone's guilty or hiding something: Suspicious! His company and coworkers have responded honorably, IMO.

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by Jpanda
I voted foul play....I just think it's been too long and he would have contacted someone by now. :( [/*]
I did too Jpanda and I agree! I am sure everyone already knew what I would vote tho.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Christine also mentioned Nicholas had to sign off on a project. I wonder what that means.

Here is what she posted.

"He had to sign off on a project at work" [/*]

Basically, most likely, he had to provide signature for a print project to move forward at work.

Was it on this board that the "sign off" topic was already addressed? If someone else can confirm what it means, the explanation for how "sign off" pertains to NF's job responsibility belongs in the What We Know thread.

Jpanda

03-06-2008, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I did too Jpanda and I agree! I am sure everyone already knew what I would vote tho. [/*]

You know what they say about great minds....:tongue: j/k

I just think that even if he got himself in some sort of trouble, he would have made some sort of contact by now.....an anonymous post card, ANYTHING. The fact that we have heard nothing worries me.

And if he were leaving Christine, he would have at least contacted his family, IMO.

JMO

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 02:35 PM

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 02:38 PM

I just got through looking at those photos (link sent earlier by someone for the pic of the IPhone) - went through all of them. One gave me the creeps. Because it is possibly copyrighted I'll just give you the page number (12). Alley behind Safeway

bitsy555

03-06-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

If you notice I said "I wonder" in my post - again just some thoughts - nothing suspicious or sinister. My goodness. [/*]

I noticed you said it Rainy. And this is one reason I don't post much!

need2no

03-06-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Hrm. My take on their move to hire a PI is that this is how they show their support of their employees and employees' families. I don't know how big the company is but I imagine it is a close-knit group and that NF was well-liked there at all levels.

Even in larger companies, employers do shell out money, time, or resources to show support when one of their own is in crisis.

Likely when his company got wind of him being missing, everyone in the office went first into shock and then into action. That happens at all levels, from the mailroom guy and receptionist all the way up to the top. What happened on Etsy is a good example of how people in groups respond quickly to take up action on behalf of an individual; someone voices an idea and it snowballs and takes on a life of its own.

You all think someone's guilty or hiding something: Suspicious! His company and coworkers have responded honorably, IMO. [/*]

I've followed true crime cases for many, many years. You can't just take anything at face value if you are trying to solve a mystery and get to the bottom of what happened. You have to be open minded and question all possibilities even when it seems cruel to do so. I'm the first to admit I am a suspicious person...my X, my life experiences, and my interest in true crime led me to be this way. But I don't mind, and don't apologize for being suspicious, it comes in very handy in the real world. I lost my rose colored glasses a long time ago.

ETA: an innocent person shouldn't mind be questioned about what they know, saw, or said.

BTW-how many of NF's co workers have we heard from other than the guy who was the last to see Nicholas?

isitme

03-06-2008, 02:41 PM

field of snow

03-06-2008, 02:41 PM

Breazy

03-06-2008, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

See my other post -- Nicholas couldn't have had a REAL iPhone on Jan 10 2007. That was almost 6 months before they were even released -- I doubt he could have even had a sample or model version. Even the people at the Apple stores didn't get them til June. Very clever replica though. [/*]

Good observation. One of those things that easily slips through. :patriot:

K Anne

03-06-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Of course there are a multitude of things he could have had to sign off on, and this might not have anything to do with anything except NF performing his normal job duties. I'm just trying to imagine me telling my DH I will be leaving work after I sign off on something versus just saying I've got one more thing to take care of and then I'm out of here. Sometimes a statement says more than appears on the surface.

On the other hand it could very well be related to, and the very thing that caused Nicholas to walk away from everything and everybody. At the very least it is something that should be investigated, along with an interview of NF's manager and a subponea of his personnel file. With so little to go on NOTHING should be dismissed at this point. And who knows...maybe LE has found out something and is investigating further right now. Perhaps this is the reason for no recent updates. [/*]

I wouldn't apply too much weight to the "sign off" statement; if NF and CF were as close as we've been told, she is well familiar with the talk or language of his business, as he's worked there almost the whole time they've been married. My husband and I both speak specifically in this regard: "I have a hot case handoff" or "Let me just finish compiling this PCN". Translated for everyone else, it means "I'd be home right now if I could but I have to finish this critical task at work." But he and I both know exactly what each other's tasks entail, and it is nothing, to mention them specifically.

Signing off is not that big a deal, unless you're on radio or television or something. It's a critical task for NF but it's not out of the ordinary. I do admit it is ironic considering no one knows where he is now.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I just got through looking at those photos (link sent earlier by someone for the pic of the IPhone) - went through all of them. One gave me the creeps. Because it is possibly copyrighted I'll just give you the page number (12). Alley behind Safeway [/*]

Oh I noticed that photo! Didn't Seattle Matt share almost the exact same photo?

I think it is just coincidental -- he was out taking photos around his office it looks like. But yeah...it caught my eye.

huskiki

03-06-2008, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Thank you, it looks like a couple of people voted while I was typing my latest request. :) [/*]

I just voted :patriot:

K Anne

03-06-2008, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
cteall, the kind of sugar she wanted is used for other things, as in facial scrubs...it's organic sugar and is coursly ground...

maybe cosco is the only place she could get it close by [/*]

No, you can get organic sugar at tons of places in Seattle.

Costco is likely one of the few places you can buy it in BULK. Remember CF is a creative woman, a craftswoman, and as far as I can tell, has had thriving business on Etsy. My guess on the organic sugar is that she is maybe branching out into bodycare products like sugar scrubs. If I were going to buy something like that, I would only buy the product made with organic sugar.

If she is branching out into that product line, good for her! Savvy!

K Anne

03-06-2008, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Yeah, that must be it.
It just seems odd when you put it down on paper....why even tell your co-worker "I'm going up there". How about "Bye, see you tomorrow". Did the co-worker point toward the parking garage and say "I'm going over there". Just sounds strange, but I'm sure it was innocent. [/*]

How many employees at Publicis? Especially in family-sized offices, people like to walk and talk, after work. Coworker assumes they are headed in same direction; NF says no, I'm going "up there".

need2no

03-06-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I just voted :patriot: [/*]

Thank-you and all who have voted!

Right now WALKED for domestic/personal reasons is running slightly ahead of FOUL PLAY.

IF ANYONE HERE HASN'T VOTED PLEASE GO TO THE MAIN PAGE AND CLICK ON Poll: What do you think happened to Nicholas, and cast your vote.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by bitsy555

I noticed you said it Rainy. And this is one reason I don't post much! [/*]

I don't blame you. I have thought about just not posting, but it is hard when I've posted since Page 1 about this. IMO the objective of this board which is a crime board has been watered down.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Thank-you and all who have voted!

Right now WALKED for domestic/personal reasons is running slightly ahead of FOUL PLAY.

IF ANYONE HERE HASN'T VOTED PLEASE GO TO THE MAIN PAGE AND CLICK ON Poll: What do you think happened to Nicholas, and cast your vote. [/*]

I voted

huskiki

03-06-2008, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I don't blame you. I have thought about just not posting, but it is hard when I've posted since Page 1 about this. IMO the objective of this board which is a crime board has been watered down. [/*]

Don't you dare stop posting hammer

This is a crime board, not a quilting board. For those who don't follow crime stories you have to understand that all avenues will be discussed. The good, the bad and the ugly.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Don't you dare stop posting hammer

This is a crime board, not a quilting board. For those who don't follow crime stories you have to understand that all avenues will be discussed. The good, the bad and the ugly. [/*]

LOL Kim :punch:

need2no

03-06-2008, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I voted [/*]

Thanks, and please don't let a few here cause you to leave the board or hold back on your honest opinion/thoughts. The scroll button on your mouse is a lovely tool which I utilize when necessary, and you also have the ignore option where you can choose not to even see certain poster's posts.

You are just as entitled to state your opinion as anyone else on this board regardless of who likes it or agrees with you, and no sugar coating necessary.

Post on girlfriend..........:)

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by need2no

I thought most every major chain carried organic sugar these days. Of the 4 grocery stores I shop in they all have organic sugar. Perhaps she needed a large bag and only Costco carried that size. But it seems NF would have either bought several smaller bags, or purchased the amount needed for the cookies that night, and then gone the next day to purchase a larger quantity for whatever other reasons she may have needed the sugar. Wouldn't he have wanted to get home as soon as possible to have dinner and then start baking cookies so the children could get to bed at a decent time. [/*]

Exactly what I was thinking. And you are right. If it's already 6pm and most put children to bed by 8pm when they have to go to work that night. I know around here, our evenings run quick. By the time everyone gets home, gets fed, gets baths, not much time left over for anything. My husband would have brought home sugar from the closest store. (Most likely the wrong sugar anyhow) LOL.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Well it seems that Christine originally told her friend per the link above that Nicholas was headed for Safeway.

So I'm stumped. Was it the car? Safeway? Costco? [/*]

hmmmmmm that's interesting.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by Jpanda

You know what they say about great minds....:tongue: j/k

I just think that even if he got himself in some sort of trouble, he would have made some sort of contact by now.....an anonymous post card, ANYTHING. The fact that we have heard nothing worries me.

And if he were leaving Christine, he would have at least contacted his family, IMO.

JMO [/*]

I keep going back to Beth Smith. She took off. She had a mom and dad and other family and a husband who was a preacher and a whole congregation of "church family" and two small children and was a teacher and had a whole classroom of pupils, and girlfriends....and she was gone for months and never contacted a one of them. She had set herself up a brand new life and left them all behind with no phone call, no postcard, nothing.
The police tracked her down and she still did not want to go home or let her family know where she was.

So, it goes to show......anything can happen and the amount of time he's gone still does not speak to whether it was foul play or not. He may be just like Beth.....he may have set himself up with a new life. She even had a job, so it's not impossible for him to have one too.

Just some thoughts....

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Thanks, and please don't let a few here cause you to leave the board or hold back on your honest opinion/thoughts. The scroll button on your mouse is a lovely tool which I utilize when necessary, and you also have the ignore option where you can choose not to even see certain poster's posts.

You are just as entitled to state your opinion as anyone else on this board regardless of who likes it or agrees with you, and no sugar coating necessary.

Post on girlfriend..........:) [/*]

Thanks need :) I know sometimes I've told my husband or vice-versa that I'm going to stop at Grocery Store A on my way home, then I think no I don't want to mess with that - I'll just run up here - its faster and easier. What if Nicholas made the decision to run up to Safeway (didn't have his phone to call Christine and let her know he changed his mind) - went to Safeway and something happened THERE.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by snowfield

I still haven't made it to Costco to check out the Organic Sugar offerings, but last night at our pathetic local little grocery store that doesn't have anything I need ever, there were several choices for organic sugar.

I would guess he would be in a hurry, too but maybe she also planned to start a batch of facial sugar scrubs the next morning and the larger bag from Costco was more economical if they were watching every penny. I know Costco is never a quick trip with me, but my husband does what he calls a "surgical strike" -- going just in for what he needs and out. Personally, I have to go up and down every aisle! (same with Target!).

The friend's blog mention of Safeway is odd though. [/*]

Surgical strike. hahahaha....you are lucky. There is absolutely no way I would send my husband to Costco instead of Safeway. Especially if we were trying to watch our penny's. To much there for him to get into. Particularly the electronic stuff that we used to have by the front door. I haven't been there in about 3 years, but last I did. Big tv's and stuff like that were right there for him to see.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I've always thought they should start where he was last seen - thats why details - no matter how minute should be under a microscope. [/*]

I agree, where he was last seen, who last saw him and that condo parking lot. I would think his old orange car might have drawn a bit of attention.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

I agree, where he was last seen, who last saw him and that condo parking lot. I would think his old orange car might have drawn a bit of attention. [/*]

right - so what someone might deem as something casual he did or said could be a big clue -

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Yes, it's my understanding he could walk to Safeway, but would have to drive to Costco. Apparently there is a Costco and a Costco warehouse nearby.

Grande has some good maps pin pointed here:

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2562&page=5

Scroll down to post # 43.

Also go back to page 3 for other maps she has pin pointed.

I wish she would do a map pin pointing Safeway along with the Costco stores, and include the Francisco house, and the location where his car was discovered all on one map. (I'm kinda greedy, huh?)
Maybe I will ask her to do that. [/*]

Good idea, and tell her purdy please from me too.

Breazy

03-06-2008, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I keep going back to Beth Smith. She took off. She had a mom and dad and other family and a husband who was a preacher and a whole congregation of "church family" and two small children and was a teacher and had a whole classroom of pupils, and girlfriends....and she was gone for months and never contacted a one of them. She had set herself up a brand new life and left them all behind with no phone call, no postcard, nothing.
The police tracked her down and she still did not want to go home or let her family know where she was.

So, it goes to show......anything can happen and the amount of time he's gone still does not speak to whether it was foul play or not. He may be just like Beth.....he may have set himself up with a new life. She even had a job, so it's not impossible for him to have one too.

Just some thoughts.... [/*]

I followed that case from beginning to end myself and I agree, you just never know!! Matter of fact, that's the last case I've followed so closely until this one. I wonder why really. Maybe just because they're so much alike.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 03:25 PM

I just read the Donovan update. I just posted last night that it looked like they would have kept something at the top of their blog about him and boom...we have an update. Maybe they are reading here too. And that's quite alright if they are.

One thing I notice about their update is that they seem to be open to the idea that maybe he did take off. It's the first plea I've seen from any family or friend asking him to call if he's able. They even went as far as saying "if you are reading this". That sounds to me that they possibly think he has taken off on his own too. I mean, what kidnapper is gonna let him browse the internet? Interesting......

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 03:25 PM

Breazy

03-06-2008, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thanks need :) I know sometimes I've told my husband or vice-versa that I'm going to stop at Grocery Store A on my way home, then I think no I don't want to mess with that - I'll just run up here - its faster and easier. What if Nicholas made the decision to run up to Safeway (didn't have his phone to call Christine and let her know he changed his mind) - went to Safeway and something happened THERE. [/*]

Another possibility . . . I actually voted "walked away for other reasons" but I'm really still on the fence regarding "foul play" and possibly the involvement in some way of Christine. JMO.

need2no

03-06-2008, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Exactly what I was thinking. And you are right. If it's already 6pm and most put children to bed by 8pm when they have to go to work that night. I know around here, our evenings run quick. By the time everyone gets home, gets fed, gets baths, not much time left over for anything. My husband would have brought home sugar from the closest store. (Most likely the wrong sugar anyhow) LOL. [/*]

LOL, most likely the wrong sugar...I can so relate, that is IF I could even talk him into going to the grocery store in the 1st place. And if I did I guarantee you he would go to the closest store and buy as many small bags as it took to get the amount needed regardless of the cost, rather than go to a store further away and one that is a pain to get in and out of.

Just figure even if NF got home by say 6:45 and if dinner was on the table and the children were already bathed it would likely be 7:30 or so before they even got everything out and started making the cookies, and depending upon how many they were going to make, (and after the kids were wiped down-lol), it could easily be 8:30/9:00 before the kids started heading to bed. Also this activity would likely have them 'wired up'. Most children that young get cranky when it's time for bed, and most of us adults long for some down time and quiet time at night.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 03:28 PM

Someone here contacted them I believe.

And I had the same thought about their choice of words. This choice of words + lack of obvious action with searches and canvasses + the search blog abandoned for over a week = a sentiment that he simply abandoned his family and is not missing by foulplay.

Mooing like a the cow I am..

Originally posted by Nellie
I just read the Donovan update. I just posted last night that it looked like they would have kept something at the top of their blog about him and boom...we have an update. Maybe they are reading here too. And that's quite alright if they are.

One thing I notice about their update is that they seem to be open to the idea that maybe he did take off. It's the first plea I've seen from any family or friend asking him to call if he's able. They even went as far as saying "if you are reading this". That sounds to me that they possibly think he has taken off on his own too. I mean, what kidnapper is gonna let him browse the internet? Interesting...... [/*]

K Anne

03-06-2008, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

If you notice I said "I wonder" in my post - again just some thoughts - nothing suspicious or sinister. My goodness. [/*]

Thin skins! Let me try that again:

;) You all think someone's guilty or hiding something: ;) Suspicious! ;) His company and coworkers have responded honorably, IMO. [/*]

Breazy

03-06-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Nellie - did Beth ever give a reason why? [/*]

You weren't asking me but I don't believe she ever did to the public. I'm sure she did to her friends/family. However, there was talk of mental abuse from her husband.

desmom

03-06-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

No, you can get organic sugar at tons of places in Seattle.

Costco is likely one of the few places you can buy it in BULK. Remember CF is a creative woman, a craftswoman, and as far as I can tell, has had thriving business on Etsy. My guess on the organic sugar is that she is maybe branching out into bodycare products like sugar scrubs. If I were going to buy something like that, I would only buy the product made with organic sugar.

If she is branching out into that product line, good for her! Savvy! [/*]

Playing catch up.....

On WS (I think) someone checked the organic sugar at Safeway and Costco. Safeway carried organic sugar in smaller bags and Costco was a 10 lb bag. I don't remember the prices, but I do remember thinking it was a big savings per lb to buy at Costco.

jmo

need2no

03-06-2008, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thanks need :) I know sometimes I've told my husband or vice-versa that I'm going to stop at Grocery Store A on my way home, then I think no I don't want to mess with that - I'll just run up here - its faster and easier. What if Nicholas made the decision to run up to Safeway (didn't have his phone to call Christine and let her know he changed his mind) - went to Safeway and something happened THERE. [/*]

Good possibility and I've done the same, I just hope LE is thinking as hard as we are, and checking into every possibility.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

You weren't asking me but I don't believe she ever did to the public. I'm sure she did to her friends/family. However, there was talk of mental abuse from her husband. [/*]

Thanks Breazy - wonder why she didn't at least let her mother/dad/best friend - someone know. That just seems so heartless.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 03:33 PM

Mystry, pm

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Good possibility and I've done the same, I just hope LE is thinking as hard as we are, and checking into every possibility. [/*]

Well even if they don't want to think for themselves, they could read here lol.

need2no

03-06-2008, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Playing catch up.....

On WS (I think) someone checked the organic sugar at Safeway and Costco. Safeway carried organic sugar in smaller bags and Costco was a 10 lb bag. I don't remember the prices, but I do remember thinking it was a big savings per lb to buy at Costco.

jmo [/*]

Time versus money.

If CF has her own transportation it seems she would rather have NF get home in a hurry and get started on the cookies, then she could pick up the large quantity of sugar the next day. Of course we are all just assuming she said she needed a LARGE quantity, I think she mentioned ORGANIC, but didn't state if Safeway had the kind and size she needed, right?

Breazy

03-06-2008, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Thin skins! Let me try that again:

;) You all think someone's guilty or hiding something: ;) Suspicious! ;) His company and coworkers have responded honorably, IMO. [/*] [/*]

Someone IS guilty and IS hiding something or Nicholas would not be missing. Who that is is anybody's guess . . . Nicholas himself, an unknown assailant, co-worker, business contact, fellow parishioner, Christine . . . . heck, the list could go on and on with no clues to lead one way or another.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by need2no

I've followed true crime cases for many, many years. You can't just take anything at face value if you are trying to solve a mystery and get to the bottom of what happened. You have to be open minded and question all possibilities even when it seems cruel to do so. I'm the first to admit I am a suspicious person...my X, my life experiences, and my interest in true crime led me to be this way. But I don't mind, and don't apologize for being suspicious, it comes in very handy in the real world. I lost my rose colored glasses a long time ago.

ETA: an innocent person shouldn't mind be questioned about what they know, saw, or said.

BTW-how many of NF's co workers have we heard from other than the guy who was the last to see Nicholas? [/*]

:beer: If we are not suppose to talk about something involved in this case, then Coldwater will tell us so. Otherwise, post on.

need2no

03-06-2008, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

:beer: If we are not suppose to talk about something involved in this case, then Coldwater will tell us so. Otherwise, post on. [/*]

ITA, and you can bet on it she will!

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 03:40 PM

Breazy

03-06-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thanks Breazy - wonder why she didn't at least let her mother/dad/best friend - someone know. That just seems so heartless. [/*]

I know. And she had gone to a women's conference with her best friend that was two states away. They had already attended the conference the night before and returned for Saturday morning. Mid-way through the final session that morning, Beth went to the restroom and left her friend hanging . . .

huskiki

03-06-2008, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

:beer: If we are not suppose to talk about something involved in this case, then Coldwater will tell us so. Otherwise, post on. [/*]

Exactly! :beer:

field of snow

03-06-2008, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thanks Breazy - wonder why she didn't at least let her mother/dad/best friend - someone know. That just seems so heartless. [/*]

It's heartless if you can help it. Things happen to people and in their heads that they cannot help. Most of us can keep it together daily, but there are people who just suddenly break.
Bi-polar issues have been suggested and is #2 on my theory list. Other past personal problems is #3 (ethnic identity, past relationships, abuse,etc).

My Number #1 theory isn't a disorder, but it is considered one by a lot of society, cultures and many religious organizations. If you suddenly realize you are my #1 theory, you might be in sudden shock and freak out mode that the culture you were raised in, the religion you were taught and the life you set up for yourself based on "what is normal" in society suddenly doesn't fit.

Mooing all the way out to pasture..

huskiki

03-06-2008, 03:45 PM

I'm not sure if anyone posted this: http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?s=nicholas+francisco

It isn't much but at least they post his pic.

need2no

03-06-2008, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Well even if they don't want to think for themselves, they could read here lol. [/*]

Seriously I wouldn't doubt it. I've been on this board and following murder trials and the attorney's (or their para legals) in the cases later admitted to reading the boards here. There was even one case where a poster who had been sitting in court and observing while she posted (I assume during breaks) from her Blackberry. She almost got into some trouble and some of her words were even quoted in a newspaper article. IIRC she had to go in to court and talk to the judge based on what she posted on the CTV board.

If it wasn't o/t and I had the time I could share some really interesting stuff about blogs and a case I've been following for over a year...it's unbelieveable.

Yep, I bet LE are reading here.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I don't blame you. I have thought about just not posting, but it is hard when I've posted since Page 1 about this. IMO the objective of this board which is a crime board has been watered down. [/*]

Don't do that Rainy. The only one who can water this board down is Coldwater. She is the ONLY boss here on what we do and don't talk about.

Breazy

03-06-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Seriously I wouldn't doubt it. I've been on this board and following murder trials and the attorney's (or their para legals) in the cases later admitted to reading the boards here. There was even one case where a poster who had been sitting in court and observing while she posted (I assume during breaks) from her Blackberry. She almost got into some trouble and some of her words were even quoted in a newspaper article. IIRC she had to go in to court and talk to the judge based on what she posted on the CTV board.

If it wasn't o/t and I had the time I could share some really interesting stuff about blogs and a case I've been following for over a year...it's unbelieveable.

Yep, I bet LE are reading here. [/*]

What case and what interesting stuff? When you get a chance sometime, I'm interested to hear in PM.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thanks need :) I know sometimes I've told my husband or vice-versa that I'm going to stop at Grocery Store A on my way home, then I think no I don't want to mess with that - I'll just run up here - its faster and easier. What if Nicholas made the decision to run up to Safeway (didn't have his phone to call Christine and let her know he changed his mind) - went to Safeway and something happened THERE. [/*]

Trying to remember if it would have been dark there by 6:10 pm.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

right - so what someone might deem as something casual he did or said could be a big clue - [/*]

Exactly, like if someone saw his car and he either wasn't in it, or had someone else in the car w/him.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by need2no

LOL, most likely the wrong sugar...I can so relate, that is IF I could even talk him into going to the grocery store in the 1st place. And if I did I guarantee you he would go to the closest store and buy as many small bags as it took to get the amount needed regardless of the cost, rather than go to a store further away and one that is a pain to get in and out of.

Just figure even if NF got home by say 6:45 and if dinner was on the table and the children were already bathed it would likely be 7:30 or so before they even got everything out and started making the cookies, and depending upon how many they were going to make, (and after the kids were wiped down-lol), it could easily be 8:30/9:00 before the kids started heading to bed. Also this activity would likely have them 'wired up'. Most children that young get cranky when it's time for bed, and most of us adults long for some down time and quiet time at night. [/*]

Absolutely what I was thinking. I am still wondering why she waited til the last minute to get the sugar anyhow, if this was planned. I guess maybe she forgot it....

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Don't do that Rainy. The only one who can water this board down is Coldwater. She is the ONLY boss here on what we do and don't talk about. [/*]

Thats true - there is only one moderator :)

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Thin skins! Let me try that again:

;) You all think someone's guilty or hiding something: ;) Suspicious! ;) His company and coworkers have responded honorably, IMO. [/*] [/*]

We have cases w/crooked police . Maybe there is some crooked activity in that company. We don't know. Anything is possible.

Breazy

03-06-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Exactly, like if someone saw his car and he either wasn't in it, or had someone else in the car w/him. [/*]

And surely SOMEONE noticed his car SOMEWHERE between work and that condo complex . . . at a stoplight, in front of them . . . SOMEWHERE!!

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Trying to remember if it would have been dark there by 6:10 pm. [/*]

I think it has been posted (maybe even by Christine) that it was getting dark - not completely dark. Someone from Seattle should know for sure.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thats true - there is only one moderator :) [/*]

That's right and she has absolutely no problems letting you know when you are not doing what you are suppose to do. And as far as I know, she's not said a word.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

And surely SOMEONE noticed his car SOMEWHERE between work and that condo complex . . . at a stoplight, in front of them . . . SOMEWHERE!! [/*]

Absolutely, and it was an area where some places may have had outdoor video cameras. Hope they were all looked at before anyone taped over them.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

And surely SOMEONE noticed his car SOMEWHERE between work and that condo complex . . . at a stoplight, in front of them . . . SOMEWHERE!! [/*]

and yet the only reports we have of his car being seen were around a storage area and then found at the apartments

huskiki

03-06-2008, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

And surely SOMEONE noticed his car SOMEWHERE between work and that condo complex . . . at a stoplight, in front of them . . . SOMEWHERE!! [/*]

Maybe somebody did see him and he wasn't alone and they don't want to come forward with that information because it might hurt someone's feelings. IMO JMO

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I think it has been posted (maybe even by Christine) that it was getting dark - not completely dark. Someone from Seattle should know for sure. [/*]

I used to live in a town not far from there, but I can't recall what time it got dark in the winter, I do remember it was really late around in the summer.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Maybe somebody did see him and he wasn't alone and they don't want to come forward with that information because it might hurt someone's feelings. IMO JMO [/*]

Have you given any thoughts to the timing. I mean it was the evening before valentines day?

huskiki

03-06-2008, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Have you given any thoughts to the timing. I mean it was the evening before valentines day? [/*]

I'm not sure what you mean.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Have you given any thoughts to the timing. I mean it was the evening before valentines day? [/*]

yes and none of it is good

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I'm not sure what you mean. [/*]

someone posted a while back that the answer may be right in front of us so I've tried to think what we have not talked about which is the date. Some people announce engagements on that day, get married on that day, pledge their love on that day, make plans to start anew on that day with their sweetheart.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I'm not sure what you mean. [/*]

If perhaps there might be significance in Nick's disappearing the evening before Valentines day.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

yes and none of it is good [/*]

It's very possible that he may have had an early valentines date that went bad for some reason. Maybe she was married or something. It happens.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

someone posted a while back that the answer may be right in front of us so I've tried to think what we have not talked about which is the date. Some people announce engagements on that day, get married on that day, pledge their love on that day, make plans to start anew on that day with their sweetheart. [/*]

Well we know those college kids went off on some kind of adventure for Vday, maybe Nick and a friend did too. Anything is possible. You just never know.

Breazy

03-06-2008, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Maybe somebody did see him and he wasn't alone and they don't want to come forward with that information because it might hurt someone's feelings. IMO JMO [/*]

True . . . or don't want to be in the middle . . . or just don't want to become involved.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Grande is a he not a her. [/*]

Sorry about that snow. I make a big boo boo. My eyes saw she, instead of he. :punch: myself.

huskiki

03-06-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

If perhaps there might be significance in Nick's disappearing the evening before Valentines day. [/*]

Ahhhhhh OK :D

I just wanted to make sure I was on the same page. The date could hold answers to many of our questions.

Breazy

03-06-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Have you given any thoughts to the timing. I mean it was the evening before valentines day? [/*]

Actually I have when following the possibility that he may have chosen to leave . . . like he just couldn't face a Valentine's Day and continue the charade . . .

Nellie

03-06-2008, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

It's very possible that he may have had an early valentines date that went bad for some reason. Maybe she was married or something. It happens. [/*]

Or....maybe he spent Valentine's Day with his new love.....
And is still there.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Breazy
Someone IS guilty and IS hiding something or Nicholas would not be missing. Who that is is anybody's guess . . . Nicholas himself, an unknown assailant, co-worker, business contact, fellow parishioner, Christine . . . . heck, the list could go on and on with no clues to lead one way or another. [/*]

Or NF could have killed himself and in that case no one is guilty or hiding anything.

On that note, my husband said last night that because WA is so heavily wooded, it would be hard to search for and find a body -- but that eventually someone's dog would find it, dogs find all manner of things; or a jogger passing by on an unseasonably warm day would get the olfactory hint that something was very wrong (that is how my father was found).

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

True . . . or don't want to be in the middle . . . or just don't want to become involved. [/*]

I can see that if someone thinks that he just ran off on a fling. They might think he is ok and they'll figure it out eventually. I do think his car would have made him stand out. Particularly if he was visiting someone on a regular bases.

Breazy

03-06-2008, 04:36 PM

Nicholas would then be guilty of being a coward and abandoning his family . . . (IMO)

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Or NF could have killed himself and in that case no one is guilty or hiding anything.

On that note, my husband said last night that because WA is so heavily wooded, it would be hard to search for and find a body -- but that eventually someone's dog would find it, dogs find all manner of things; or a jogger passing by on an unseasonably warm day would get the olfactory hint that something was very wrong (that is how my father was found). [/*]

Anything is possible, even suicide. In a case of hiding to do a suicide, you would think he would at least have left a note.

Wa state is very heavily wooded, and the ground is full of rock. I doubt anyone buried him.

Breazy

03-06-2008, 04:38 PM

Silver_Dove

03-06-2008, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

And surely SOMEONE noticed his car SOMEWHERE between work and that condo complex . . . at a stoplight, in front of them . . . SOMEWHERE!! [/*]

I see little red cars all the time. How would someone remember one special red car out of all the random red cars when they never knew they were suppose to be looking for it?

Only way it would be noticed if there was strange activity going on in it. We have no evidence that anything strange was happening since there was no evidence of blood or a struggle in the car when they found it.

isitme

03-06-2008, 04:40 PM

Ok I will say it - perhaps he did run off with someone. And that someone is a male and that is why he hasn't contacted his mom, sisters, or firends. He believes that it is too shameful and would rather be missing to them than to face them.

I'm not sure that I believe this is the case, but it is something that I have thought about.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

It's very possible that he may have had an early valentines date that went bad for some reason. Maybe she was married or something. It happens. [/*]

Ok so then he was maybe having an affair -- or breaking one off -- and Valentine's Day date went sour and whoever he was having it with killed him. Maybe a woman, maybe a man. NF does seem to inspire adulation somehow and whoever it was couldn't bear to -- be rejected, period; be rejected by him in particular; continue to see him in his happy married life; allow him to continue to live "a lie".

Huh. I hadn't thought along that line before, but, hm. :(

* edit: But on second thought, it still doesn't feel right to me.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

I see little red cars all the time. How would someone remember one special red car out of all the random red cars when they never knew they were suppose to be looking for it?

Only way it would be noticed if there was strange activity going on in it. We have no evidence that anything strange was happening since there was no evidence of blood or a struggle in the car when they found it. [/*]

Ok, now i'm confused. The car I saw. I swore was orange not red. Did I see the wrong car and think it was nicks?

need2no

03-06-2008, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Absolutely what I was thinking. I am still wondering why she waited til the last minute to get the sugar anyhow, if this was planned. I guess maybe she forgot it.... [/*]

Considering the cookies were for Valentines it does seem like she would have had something as basic as sugar on hand knowing the special day was approaching and if it's the norm for them to bake, unless he/she/they decided at the last minute to bake V. day cookies that night.
I just had a horrible thought........

Also someone here mentioned NF probably had to go to Costco because he could buy the organic sugar in bulk and at a cost saving because they were probably on a budget. But ya know... organic sugar costs a good bit more than regular sugar. If they are on a tight budget it seems organic sugar would be somewhat of a luxury item they could live without. IIRC last time I looked a 2lb bag was about $7.00. That's a big ouch in a tight budget just for sugar.

Breazy

03-06-2008, 04:42 PM

Gotta go!!! :seeya: Off on a road trip to watch my son pitch HS game tonight . . . he's starting. Guess I'll be playing catch up again.:)

K Anne

03-06-2008, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by Breazy
Nicholas would then be guilty of being a coward and abandoning his family . . . (IMO) [/*]

You're totally right. :beer: I'll shut up about it!

need2no

03-06-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

LOL, I wonder if they tried to trace the iphone :biggrin: [/*]

ROFLMBO!

You probably delayed or misrouted their investigation when you convinced them Nicholas had an iphone. :biggrin:

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by need2no

ROFLMBO!

You probably delayed or misrouted their investigation when you convinced them Nicholas had an iphone. :biggrin: [/*]

LOLOL

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Ok so then he was maybe having an affair -- or breaking one off -- and Valentine's Day date went sour and whoever he was having it with killed him. Maybe a woman, maybe a man. NF does seem to inspire adulation somehow and whoever it was couldn't bear to -- be rejected, period; be rejected by him in particular; continue to see him in his happy married life; allow him to continue to live "a lie".

Huh. I hadn't thought along that line before, but, hm. :(

* edit: But on second thought, it still doesn't feel right to me. [/*]

Nope, we were thinking along the lines of maybe he had a thing going w/a married women. ofcourse, that doesn't ever happen, does it?

Breazy

03-06-2008, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

I see little red cars all the time. How would someone remember one special red car out of all the random red cars when they never knew they were suppose to be looking for it?

Only way it would be noticed if there was strange activity going on in it. We have no evidence that anything strange was happening since there was no evidence of blood or a struggle in the car when they found it. [/*]

I agree that not everyone who saw it would remember. However, it seems like there would at least be somebody who did. Someone at a red light or passed him on the interstate and noticed his good looks. Someone at a store for the same reason or someone who was pumping gas next to him. There has to be someone if he left on his own.

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Considering the cookies were for Valentines it does seem like she would have had something as basic as sugar on hand knowing the special day was approaching and if it's the norm for them to bake, unless he/she/they decided at the last minute to bake V. day cookies that night.
I just had a horrible thought........

Also someone here mentioned NF probably had to go to Costco because he could buy the organic sugar in bulk and at a cost saving because they were probably on a budget. But ya know... organic sugar costs a good bit more than regular sugar. If they are on a tight budget it seems organic sugar would be somewhat of a luxury item they could live without. IIRC last time I looked a 2lb bag was about $7.00. That's a big ouch in a tight budget just for sugar. [/*]

Christine said on her own blog that the organic sugar wasn't just for the cookies. It has been suggested by others that she needed it to make her organic sugar scrubs that she sells on Etsy. She sells both sugar and salt scrubs: http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5588252&section_id=5303496

K Anne

03-06-2008, 04:50 PM

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Considering the cookies were for Valentines it does seem like she would have had something as basic as sugar on hand knowing the special day was approaching and if it's the norm for them to bake, unless he/she/they decided at the last minute to bake V. day cookies that night.
I just had a horrible thought........

Also someone here mentioned NF probably had to go to Costco because he could buy the organic sugar in bulk and at a cost saving because they were probably on a budget. But ya know... organic sugar costs a good bit more than regular sugar. If they are on a tight budget it seems organic sugar would be somewhat of a luxury item they could live without. IIRC last time I looked a 2lb bag was about $7.00. That's a big ouch in a tight budget just for sugar. [/*]

I tend to agree w/you. If you are on a budget, buying outrageously priced items might not be the best bet, but I know people do that. I also didn't think that Costco was all that much cheaper buying in bulk. Sometimes the difference wasn't enough to worry about and in other instances. It wasn't cheaper at all. Then you have the problem of going in that big store. Seeing something else you want and walk out w/ a couple of hundred dollars in stuff, and wishing you had just gone to the regular store.

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Or NF could have killed himself and in that case no one is guilty or hiding anything.

On that note, my husband said last night that because WA is so heavily wooded, it would be hard to search for and find a body -- but that eventually someone's dog would find it, dogs find all manner of things; or a jogger passing by on an unseasonably warm day would get the olfactory hint that something was very wrong (that is how my father was found). [/*]

Yeah, I have said this from day one. Because the way that our state is (divided by the Cascade Mountain Range). The Puget Sound area.. while large.. is still pretty close to rural areas. Not very many places that arent within about 30 minutes or less of the mountains.. where this time of year.. there isn't alot of hiking, camping etc that would lead to someone finding someone out there.

Silver_Dove

03-06-2008, 04:52 PM

Think about Valentines day what if he did have a friend (male or female) who he was talking to on his laptop and/or work phone. This friend said something along the lines of tomorrow is Valentines day make up your mind we get together or we end it. So he meet up with this friend and they took off together in the other persons car since no one would be looking for it.

I still have trouble with the random or even planned violence. Last night I went looking though missing people in King county over the years and most are women and children and the men were ones carrying large amount of money, into drugs, mental problems and such. So I guess he could be the exception that proves the rule but being the same day that he made sure everyone knew his cell phone was dead? Another missing person was found though their cell phone not that long ago in Seattle area.

Or maybe it was the Mt Rainer aliens. :biggrin:

K Anne

03-06-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Nope, we were thinking along the lines of maybe he had a thing going w/a married women. ofcourse, that doesn't ever happen, does it? [/*]

Oh. I don't see how married is significant. I was thinking along the lines of maybe he had a thing going with a CRAZY woman. Or man. ;) That happens too.

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

I tend to agree w/you. If you are on a budget, buying outrageously priced items might not be the best bet, but I know people do that. I also didn't think that Costco was all that much cheaper buying in bulk. Sometimes the difference wasn't enough to worry about and in other instances. It wasn't cheaper at all. Then you have the problem of going in that big store. Seeing something else you want and walk out w/ a couple of hundred dollars in stuff, and wishing you had just gone to the regular store. [/*]

It has been said that she used the organic sugar for other things that she was doing.. for her business. Can't remember what it was. But.. makes sense to buy it at Costco since a grocery story would only have small bags of organic sugar and you can get large ones at Costco.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Yeah, I have said this from day one. Because the way that our state is (divided by the Cascade Mountain Range). The Puget Sound area.. while large.. is still pretty close to rural areas. Not very many places that arent within about 30 minutes or less of the mountains.. where this time of year.. there isn't alot of hiking, camping etc that would lead to someone finding someone out there. [/*]

Yep, and lots of isolated spots around that area. Do you know if they did any tracking w/dogs. I was following the Vday college kids case and one other, didn't come into this one til later on. Missed the early days.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Yeah, I have said this from day one. Because the way that our state is (divided by the Cascade Mountain Range). The Puget Sound area.. while large.. is still pretty close to rural areas. Not very many places that arent within about 30 minutes or less of the mountains.. where this time of year.. there isn't alot of hiking, camping etc that would lead to someone finding someone out there. [/*]

Mystry - where is Greenlake? Someone just posted on the West Seattle blog about looking for him in Greenlake

K Anne

03-06-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Do you know if LE checked for the other missing man and if he had a storage garage, or took off in his car?
What was his occupation? Did he take money with him?

I also found a link to an Iowa site where a Nicholas Francisco started a new job on February 26 as an Accountant. :read: [/*]

Whoa! How'd you find that!!

Neither here nor there: an approximate natal chart for NF shows aptitude for that particular type of work... He doesn't seem like an accountant type, tho.

Silver_Dove

03-06-2008, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Mystry - where is Greenlake? Someone just posted on the West Seattle blog about looking for him in Greenlake [/*]

Greenlake is in the opposite direction and the post was at Greenlake not in Greenlake.

It was a joke because Greenlake is only a mile and a half around and is used for running. The person above the post about Greenlake had said maybe he had run. Here Greenlake and running go hand in hand.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by isitme
Ok I will say it - perhaps he did run off with someone. And that someone is a male and that is why he hasn't contacted his mom, sisters, or firends. He believes that it is too shameful and would rather be missing to them than to face them.

I'm not sure that I believe this is the case, but it is something that I have thought about. [/*]

That is my #1 theory.

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
Think about Valentines day what if he did have a friend (male or female) who he was talking to on his laptop and/or work phone. This friend said something along the lines of tomorrow is Valentines day make up your mind we get together or we end it. So he meet up with this friend and they took off together in the other persons car since no one would be looking for it.

I still have trouble with the random or even planned violence. Last night I went looking though missing people in King county over the years and most are women and children and the men were ones carrying large amount of money, into drugs, mental problems and such. So I guess he could be the exception that proves the rule but being the same day that he made sure everyone knew his cell phone was dead? Another missing person was found though their cell phone not that long ago in Seattle area.

Or maybe it was the Mt Rainer
aliens. :biggrin: [/*]

It's the cell phone dead battery pre-warning that I keep coming back to. Just seems too coincidental and terribly bad luck that the phone is out on the *one* day he runs into trouble. Also, I really don't think there is much chance it was random violence because of the complete lack of evidence, though of course he could be the exception. Planned violence? Maybe, but supposedly he had no enemies and again the cell phone issue...

Of course, if he *only* told a coworker the phone was out, and not Christine too (I thought he did tell her too though? she never said anything about trying to call him over and over and not getting an answer, as if she didn't already know it was dead), then there could be reason to look at the coworker. But that seems kind of remote.

Still, usually the simplest answer is the one. Just not sure what IS the simplest explanation here. :shrug:

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 05:01 PM

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Whoa! How'd you find that!!

Neither here nor there: an approximate natal chart for NF shows aptitude for that particular type of work... He doesn't seem like an accountant type, tho. [/*]

Seems unlikely he'd use his real name either. Though if people at this guy's job know about the case, he may be in for some good-natured ribbing.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Oh. I don't see how married is significant. I was thinking along the lines of maybe he had a thing going with a CRAZY woman. Or man. ;) That happens too. [/*]

It may or may not be. Affairs seem to play a role in so many cases we see. lol, I lived in Wa, and I met some strange people up there. You might be right about crazy. Yep, that happens too.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Mystry - where is Greenlake? Someone just posted on the West Seattle blog about looking for him in Greenlake [/*]

Whoa! Can you post that link?

The only Greenlake I can find is a bit north of Seattle. I wouldn't have expected that (and couldn't really say why); I've been thinking west all this time...

* edit: :o nevermind! But still, the WSB I'm looking at doesn't have any recent updates... What link are you looking at?

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

It's the cell phone dead battery pre-warning that I keep coming back to. Just seems too coincidental and terribly bad luck that the phone is out on the *one* day he runs into trouble. Also, I really don't think there is much chance it was random violence because of the complete lack of evidence, though of course he could be the exception. Planned violence? Maybe, but supposedly he had no enemies and again the cell phone issue...

Of course, if he *only* told a coworker the phone was out, and not Christine too (I thought he did tell her too though? she never said anything about trying to call him over and over and not getting an answer, as if she didn't already know it was dead), then there could be reason to look at the coworker. But that seems kind of remote.

Still, usually the simplest answer is the one. Just not sure what IS the simplest explanation here. :shrug: [/*]

Okay so lets say it was planned. Christine says hey our baby girl wants to make Valentines cookies - seems like he would have said I may have to work late so as not to disappoint the little girl. I mean so much damage is going to be done, but it does seem like there would be some consideration for his little girl.

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Yep, and lots of isolated spots around that area. Do you know if they did any tracking w/dogs. I was following the Vday college kids case and one other, didn't come into this one til later on. Missed the early days. [/*]

yes, they did. At Publicis and at the car and condos when they found it. They came up with nothing. I have wondered what kind of dogs that they used. I guess it was just ones that were trained to follow someone scent? Not cadaver dogs or anything like that.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Okay so lets say it was planned. Christine says hey our baby girl wants to make Valentines cookies - seems like he would have said I may have to work late so as not to disappoint the little girl. I mean so much damage is going to be done, but it does seem like there would be some consideration for his little girl. [/*]

Hm. I got the sense the cookies thing was prearranged between NF and his daughter; that's how things work in our family.

On a side note, somewhere it was said that NF said I love you prior to ending that last call. I am only slightly embarrassed to admit I never say that in phone conversations. Like, EVER. If my husband said it to me and then didn't turn up that night, I would FREAK OUT.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 05:13 PM

OT

:cuss: I am miffed because the websleuths admin has banned my email address. :confused: I want in!

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

Greenlake is in the opposite direction and the post was at Greenlake not in Greenlake.

It was a joke because Greenlake is only a mile and a half around and is used for running. The person above the post about Greenlake had said maybe he had run. Here Greenlake and running go hand in hand. [/*]

HAHA I saw that post too and yeah that is how I took it too.

He wouldn't be in Greenlake.. I would bet my life on that one. Greenlake is a busy place and has people, cars and businesses all around it.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 05:16 PM

What's the port or shipping/freight activity like in that area?

Is there any very close to where he worked?

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by K Anne
What's the port or shipping/freight activity like in that area?

Is there any very close to where he worked? [/*]

Yea actually there is K Anne.. pretty close, in fact. I don't know that much about that area tho. South of where he worked by a few miles.. if that.

I'll have to go google and see if I can find a pic to show you how close.

desmom

03-06-2008, 05:20 PM

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KBFI/2008/2/13/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA reports:

Astronomy for Feb. 13, 2008

Actual Sunset - 5:28 p.m. PST
Civil Twilight - 6:00 p.m. PST
Nautical Twilight - 6:36 p.m. PST
Astronomical - 7:12 p.m. PST

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight#Civil_twilight

Civil Twilight - enough light from the Sun so that artificial sources of light are not needed to carry on outdoor activities.

Nautical Twilight - general outlines of ground objects may be distinguishable

Astronomical Twilight - most casual observers would consider the entire sky already fully dark.