Discussion - March 6th. [Archive] - Page 2

need2no

03-06-2008, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

It's the cell phone dead battery pre-warning that I keep coming back to. Just seems too coincidental and terribly bad luck that the phone is out on the *one* day he runs into trouble. Also, I really don't think there is much chance it was random violence because of the complete lack of evidence, though of course he could be the exception. Planned violence? Maybe, but supposedly he had no enemies and again the cell phone issue...

Of course, if he *only* told a coworker the phone was out, and not Christine too (I thought he did tell her too though? she never said anything about trying to call him over and over and not getting an answer, as if she didn't already know it was dead), then there could be reason to look at the coworker. But that seems kind of remote.

Still, usually the simplest answer is the one. Just not sure what IS the simplest explanation here. :shrug: [/*]

Let's get way out there. Christine is having an affair with the co-worker who reported NF's cell phone battery was dead and that he saw Nicholas leaving work at 6:10 and heading up the hill, and it's all a big fat lie to throw off the investigators. This co-worker is in on it and helped plot the disappearance of Nicholas.

Now wouldn't that be something...... But I'm J/K! :D

murdershewrote

03-06-2008, 05:22 PM

seems to me that if LE used dogs around the car and they didn't track anywhere, then that means he never got out of the car at that apt complex. If he, himself, had dumped off the car and left by some other means, I would think the dogs would have tracked his scent, at least a little ways.

desmom, appreciate the information on amount of light that evening...seems he would have been in at least twilight if not complete darkness, since he spoke to Christine at 6:10 pm, by the time he wraps up at work, hikes up the hill, etc. it must have been around 6:30 pm. and somebody could have jumped him in the dark.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 05:25 PM

Silver_Dove

03-06-2008, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by K Anne
OT

:cuss: I am miffed because the websleuths admin has banned my email address. :confused: I want in! [/*]

Did you use a free mail like hotmail? I think they ban all free emails because they are to easy to make a spam a board with.

I think I got banned for making 2 accounts but the first one had a bad email so I had to make a second with the correct one, but I still haven't heard back if that was the problem. I might try again at some point.

desmom

03-06-2008, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Yeah, I have said this from day one. Because the way that our state is (divided by the Cascade Mountain Range). The Puget Sound area.. while large.. is still pretty close to rural areas. Not very many places that arent within about 30 minutes or less of the mountains.. where this time of year.. there isn't alot of hiking, camping etc that would lead to someone finding someone out there. [/*]

Are there any privately owned summer cabins in the area?

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 05:26 PM

need2no

03-06-2008, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

yes, they did. At Publicis and at the car and condos when they found it. They came up with nothing. I have wondered what kind of dogs that they used. I guess it was just ones that were trained to follow someone scent? Not cadaver dogs or anything like that. [/*]

You know since those dogs couldn't follow a scent for NF, he had to have gotten (or was taken) out of his car and got into another car parked beside his. Otherwise they would have been able to follow his scent to where he walked after he exited his car.

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Are there any privately owned summer cabins in the area? [/*]
There are probably thousands.

If you do a search on.. like places to camp or hike in Washington state, you might get a better idea of how much wooded, mountainy (is that a word?) area there is here.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by AJandTam

Anything is possible, even suicide. In a case of hiding to do a suicide, you would think he would at least have left a note.

Wa state is very heavily wooded, and the ground is full of rock. I doubt anyone buried him. [/*]

Why leave your car to be found if you are going to do suicide? Just drive your car out into the woods and shoot yourself. But, park your car to be found???? Nah......

need2no

03-06-2008, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

IIRC the dogs did not pick up a scent at Nicholas' office either. [/*]

Really, geez where they using poodles or chiwawa's to do the search ? :D

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by need2no

You know since those dogs couldn't follow a scent for NF, he had to have gotten (or was taken) out of his car and got into another car parked beside his. Otherwise they would have been able to follow his scent to where he walked after he exited his car. [/*]

Or he wasn't the one that parked it there.:shrug: (I know I am a PITA)

need2no

03-06-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Why leave your car to be found if you are going to do suicide? Just drive your car out into the woods and shoot yourself. But, park your car to be found???? Nah...... [/*]

And since the dogs didn't pick up a trail of NF walking away from his car, he surely wouldn't have asked someone to pick him up and drive him to the hidden location where he planned to kill himself.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

IIRC the dogs did not pick up a scent at Nicholas' office either. [/*]

Wow, are you kidding? In a place he presumably (I presume, anyway) was at every weekday? Crazy. Or, wrong dogs! WOW?!

K Anne

03-06-2008, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

There are probably thousands.

If you do a search on.. like places to camp or hike in Washington state, you might get a better idea of how much wooded, mountainy (is that a word?) area there is here. [/*]

Or go to Google maps, search "Seattle, Washington" and click Satellite, then zoom out. It's all green.

need2no

03-06-2008, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

I think its unlikely that Nicholas committed suicide but it has nothing to do with the car. I thought maybe Nicholas left the car in plain site so it could be returned to Christine and the kids? [/*]

Since there was no foul play noted in or around the car, I thought Nicholas left the car in plain site so Christine and his family could figure out that he walked away, and wasn't dead. Of course your theory is nicer but would be even nicer if the car wasn't so old.

need2no

03-06-2008, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

Ummm...I'm guessing a PITA isn't a delicious bread pocket for a sandwich? LOL I need some help with this acronym! [/*]

ROFLOL!

need2no

03-06-2008, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Even my Sharpei is a good track/scent dog. :tongue: [/*]

:D Perhaps you should call LE and offer them the use of your capable (and cute I might add) Sharpei.

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Since there was no foul play noted in or around the car, I thought Nicholas left the car in plain site so Christine and his family could figure out that he walked away, and wasn't dead. Of course your theory is nicer but would be even nicer if the car wasn't so old. [/*]

Or he left it so people wouldn't be trying to find him by spotting him in the car.

isitme

03-06-2008, 05:41 PM

If he drove his car to the condo and stepped out of it and into his friends car that was right next to it, or behind it would there be a scent that the dogs would pick up on?

Then there is the report that the car had been moved periodically.:shrug:

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 05:41 PM

http://tinyurl.com/2m4vk8

Pic with the ship or freight yard (not really sure what it is called to tell you the truth)

NF's office is up at the top/center.

Harbor Island and to the west of the Alaskan Way Viaduct is all like some kind of ship yard or container place or something. Like I said.. I don't know that much about what happens there exactly. Maybe someone knows better.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by isitme
If he drove his car to the condo and stepped out of it and into his friends car that was right next to it, or behind it would there be a scent that the dogs would pick up on?

Then there is the report that the car had been moved periodically.:shrug: [/*]

It would seem like the trail would stop right there - within a couple of feet, but did the dogs pick up his scent at ALL?

K Anne

03-06-2008, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

Did you use a free mail like hotmail? I think they ban all free emails because they are to easy to make a spam a board with.

I think I got banned for making 2 accounts but the first one had a bad email so I had to make a second with the correct one, but I still haven't heard back if that was the problem. I might try again at some point. [/*]

I did. :o Well I don't know how I'll get in there; I guess I'll just watch...

Thanks for letting me know it wasn't just me!

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

Ummm...I'm guessing a PITA isn't a delicious bread pocket for a sandwich? LOL I need some help with this acronym! [/*]

Umm no.. not exactly a delicious bread pocket. Pain In The is the first 3 words. Sorry was trying to keep it clean.

isitme

03-06-2008, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

It would seem like the trail would stop right there - within a couple of feet, but did the dogs pick up his scent at ALL? [/*]

It sure would help if we knew the answer to that one wouldn't it?

need2no

03-06-2008, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Or he left it so people wouldn't be trying to find him by spotting him in the car. [/*]

Assuming NF took off, I don't think he ever considered for a minute going very far in his car....that would be like trying to hide an elephant in a cup of yogurt...ain't gonna happen.

So..the question is-

Was there any connection to the condo's or something else close by?
Did he leave the car so it would be found and could be returned to Christina?
Did he leave the car so it would be found and would send a clue that he was ok, just chose to leave?
Did he leave the car there because the person he left with had a connection to the condos?
Did he leave the car there because that was a convenient and prearranged place to meet?
Did he leave the car there because no one would pay much attention to people going in and out of that parking lot?

:shrug:

Nellie

03-06-2008, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

I think its unlikely that Nicholas committed suicide but it has nothing to do with the car. I thought maybe Nicholas left the car in plain site so it could be returned to Christine and the kids? [/*]

I don't lean toward suicide either, obviously.

About leaving the car for Christine and the kids....when I suggested last night that I hope the police had given it back to her if it's the only car they had because she'd need it....people on here were grossed out about the thought. So, if that was his plan....according to some people it would be a failed plan because it would freak her out too much to want it.

So, if this was their only vehicle, then I think she needs a new car.
Maybe someone can help her out there.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Assuming NF took off, I don't think he ever considered for a minute going very far in his car....that would be like trying to hide an elephant in a cup of yogurt...ain't gonna happen.

So..the question is-

Was there any connection to the condo's or something else close by?
Did he leave the car so it would be found and could be returned to Christina?
Did he leave the car so it would be found and would send a clue that he was ok, just chose to leave?
Did he leave the car there because the person he left with had a connection to the condos?
Did he leave the car there because that was a convenient and prearranged place to meet?
Did he leave the car there because no one would pay much attention to people going in and out of that parking lot?

:shrug: [/*]

Did he leave the car there because it was close to the airport?

isitme

03-06-2008, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

I did. :o Well I don't know how I'll get in there; I guess I'll just watch...

Thanks for letting me know it wasn't just me! [/*]

If you use a "paid for email" address you can probably get in. I tried to get in also but used a free email address that I use for 99% of my stuff. It was rejected. I then contacted them to ask why. I was told to use an email account that I paid for and I could sign up then. I never did though. I read that board but find that just keeping up with this one is more than enough for me to do.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia
http://tinyurl.com/2m4vk8

Pic with the ship or freight yard (not really sure what it is called to tell you the truth)

NF's office is up at the top/center.

Harbor Island and to the west of the Alaskan Way Viaduct is all like some kind of ship yard or container place or something. Like I said.. I don't know that much about what happens there exactly. Maybe someone knows better. [/*]

Ooh, CRAP. :shiver:

Thank you for posting that info Mystry. I have to go think on this.

huskiki

03-06-2008, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I don't lean toward suicide either, obviously.

About leaving the car for Christine and the kids....when I suggested last night that I hope the police had given it back to her if it's the only car they had because she'd need it....people on here were grossed out about the thought. So, if that was his plan....according to some people it would be a failed plan because it would freak her out too much to want it.

So, if this was their only vehicle, then I think she needs a new car.
Maybe someone can help her out there. [/*]

There was a picture of their house and there were 2 cars in the carport. I can only assume the other one was hers. :shrug:

need2no

03-06-2008, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Or he wasn't the one that parked it there.:shrug: (I know I am a PITA) [/*]

True!

One thing for sure...the truth about what happened will often come out sooner when someone else is involved in the scheme.

mc528

03-06-2008, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I have heard that if someone wants to throw off a search dog's scent, they should use fragrant dryer sheets to whipe down an area. It covers the scent. [/*]

Doesn't sound like something that an average car-jacker, petty criminal, or homeless person would bother to do. (all of these were previous suggestions as to possible abducters/attackers). JMO/MOO

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Did he leave the car there because it was close to the airport? [/*]
It isn't close to the airport.

His home is close to the airport. He lives in Seatac. Right by SeaTac airport.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I don't lean toward suicide either, obviously.

About leaving the car for Christine and the kids....when I suggested last night that I hope the police had given it back to her if it's the only car they had because she'd need it....people on here were grossed out about the thought. So, if that was his plan....according to some people it would be a failed plan because it would freak her out too much to want it.

So, if this was their only vehicle, then I think she needs a new car.
Maybe someone can help her out there. [/*]

I think I was the only person who was grossed out about it. ;) I still am!

dianaelaine

03-06-2008, 05:53 PM

Oh man! I have 5 more pages to catch up on, but before I read them all .. a few things:

Did anybody see this, that his mom wrote?

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I’ve only been praying that if someone is persecuting my son, I pray for their heart to be softened so that my son can be brought back to us safely,” Rosann Francisco said.

----------------------------------------

Found it strange, she should say 'persecuting'.

I found that here:

http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=2387.0

Also: after filling husband in on all the latest details, this is what he said:

He could have been embezelling from the company .... and that's why the P.I. was hired.

He could have known something, and been put in the witness protection program.

One more thing he said, but darn, I forgot.

OK .. back to reading ...

seattlematt

03-06-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

There was a picture of their house and there were 2 cars in the carport. I can only assume the other one was hers. :shrug: [/*]

Re the 2 cars in the pic... on was a jeep (that CF said they sold) and the 2nd was a Subaru (I'm *guessing* ;) that is her's

K Anne

03-06-2008, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Oh man! I have 5 more pages to catch up on, but before I read them all .. a few things:

Did anybody see this, that his mom wrote?

----------------------------------------------

I’ve only been praying that if someone is persecuting my son, I pray for their heart to be softened so that my son can be brought back to us safely,” Rosann Francisco said.

----------------------------------------

Found it strange, she should say 'persecuting'.

I found that here:

http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=2387.0

Also: after filling husband in on all the latest details, this is what he said:

He could have been embezelling from the company .... and that's why the P.I. was hired.

He could have known something, and been put in the witness protection program.

One more thing he said, but darn, I forgot.

OK .. back to reading ... [/*]

If he knew something, and was put in witness protection, :( couldn't they have placed his pregnant wife and two lovely kids in WP too??? :(

My husband also feels NF knew something.

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Oh man! I have 5 more pages to catch up on, but before I read them all .. a few things:

Did anybody see this, that his mom wrote?

----------------------------------------------

I’ve only been praying that if someone is persecuting my son, I pray for their heart to be softened so that my son can be brought back to us safely,” Rosann Francisco said.

----------------------------------------

Found it strange, she should say 'persecuting'.

I found that here:

http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=2387.0

Also: after filling husband in on all the latest details, this is what he said:

He could have been embezelling from the company .... and that's why the P.I. was hired.

He could have known something, and been put in the witness protection program.

One more thing he said, but darn, I forgot.

OK .. back to reading ... [/*]

With the witness protection scenario, wouldn't they have have some obligation to provide for his family? I can't see that they would just leave them without any resources.

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I'm guessing pain in the asterik? [/*]

LMBO you are good!

desmom

03-06-2008, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by murdershewrote
seems to me that if LE used dogs around the car and they didn't track anywhere, then that means he never got out of the car at that apt complex. If he, himself, had dumped off the car and left by some other means, I would think the dogs would have tracked his scent, at least a little ways.

desmom, appreciate the information on amount of light that evening...seems he would have been in at least twilight if not complete darkness, since he spoke to Christine at 6:10 pm, by the time he wraps up at work, hikes up the hill, etc. it must have been around 6:30 pm. and somebody could have jumped him in the dark. [/*]

From NG's Show 2/21/08: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/21/ng.01.html

Christine:.......And then I talked to him for the last time at 6:00.

I have followed a couple of investigations that used dogs. Things like foot traffic, exhaust, weather conditions can hinder a dog's ability to track a victim.

It was reported the car was seen in several parking spaces. If the car was moved by Nicholas, would his scent in several different areas of the parking lot or his walk path criss-crossing confuse the dogs? :shrug:

From Seattlepi.com http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351948_missing20.html

Search dogs aided volunteers Tuesday at the condominiums, but Urquhart said their efforts "didn't tell us anything, one way or the other."

jmo

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by seattlematt

Re the 2 cars in the pic... on was a jeep (that CF said they sold) and the 2nd was a Subaru (I'm *guessing* ;) that is her's [/*]

Maybe "moonlessnite" who was on here before and said she knows the Franciscos casually could confirm whether Christine had her own car? I can't imagine that she didn't, especially with Nicholas commuting into the city every day. (I'd go drive by her house to see but that would seem a little stalker-ish plus it's not that close to me.)

huskiki

03-06-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by seattlematt

Re the 2 cars in the pic... on was a jeep (that CF said they sold) and the 2nd was a Subaru (I'm *guessing* ;) that is her's [/*]

Actually I think one was the red car and one was the Subaru. Of course I'm going to have to track the pic down now. LOL I do remember seeing the Jeep and the Subaru but I think there was another one. I'm off to find it.:read:

need2no

03-06-2008, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I have heard that if someone wants to throw off a search dog's scent, they should use fragrant dryer sheets to whipe down an area. It covers the scent. [/*]

Great tip...just in case I decide to walk one day. :D

But seriously the internet is a great resource to find out loads of information and tips to help a person disappear into thin air without leaving a trace. It's also a great resource to find out how LE handles these cases so you can stay a step ahead of them, and to learn how to change your identity. And even a great resource to find out what people are thinking and doing in regard to your disappearance.

Just imagine if Nicholas is reading this board..he is probably exhausted trying to keep up with our 24/7 posts. :biggrin:

abstr

03-06-2008, 06:01 PM

WS won't accept yahoo or gmail type emails....might be why.

Originally posted by K Anne
OT

:cuss: I am miffed because the websleuths admin has banned my email address. :confused: I want in! [/*]

need2no

03-06-2008, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Maybe "moonlessnite" who was on here before and said she knows the Franciscos casually could confirm whether Christine had her own car? I can't imagine that she didn't, especially with Nicholas commuting into the city every day. (I'd go drive by her house to see but that would seem a little stalker-ish plus it's not that close to me.) [/*]

I'll chip in for the gas. :D

wondering?

03-06-2008, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by K Anne
OT

:cuss: I am miffed because the websleuths admin has banned my email address. :confused: I want in! [/*]

Don't feel so bad! My email addy is banned also! I took it as a real insult for a moment!
Cannot get through to the "contact" area either. Possibly a glitch there?

desmom

03-06-2008, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

There are probably thousands.

If you do a search on.. like places to camp or hike in Washington state, you might get a better idea of how much wooded, mountainy (is that a word?) area there is here. [/*]

Thanks.

This being off season for camping/hiking (or around here it is as I look out my window at the snow). One of these cabins in the wooded, mountainy area could be a good place to lie low for awhile.

jmo

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Ooh, CRAP. :shiver:

Thank you for posting that info Mystry. I have to go think on this. [/*]
Actually I just clicked on the link and it wasn't right.. for some reason it didn't save it the way that I had it. You have to be on the 6th rung down from the + sign and then do an aerial view to have both of them in the frame. Might just be for my computer tho. If you can see Harbor Island on the bottom and the Roy St. and Mercer St. on the top center then that is how I had it. It isn't very far away.. either way.. you can see it is just south of downtown.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by need2no

......

Just imagine if Nicholas is reading this board..he is probably exhausted trying to keep up with our 24/7 posts. :biggrin: [/*]

I wish he would seriously just come out already. I have a show in two weeks and it's hard to sew at the same time as keeping up with the board! I am afraid I don't have any willpower to just ignore this thread for a few hours.

seattlematt

03-06-2008, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by need2no

quote:Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Maybe "moonlessnite" who was on here before and said she knows the Franciscos casually could confirm whether Christine had her own car? I can't imagine that she didn't, especially with Nicholas commuting into the city every day. (I'd go drive by her house to see but that would seem a little stalker-ish plus it's not that close to me.) [/*]

I'll chip in for the gas. [/*]

That was what the wink was for in my previous post...... the second car (not the jeep see in the pic) is hers

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

yes, they did. At Publicis and at the car and condos when they found it. They came up with nothing. I have wondered what kind of dogs that they used. I guess it was just ones that were trained to follow someone scent? Not cadaver dogs or anything like that. [/*]

Thanks Mystery. Maybe they should have tried to cadaver dogs too. It doesn't hurt.

O/T. But I just got a call from my cousin in Arkansa. Seems there is a bad storm between Dallas and Arkansa, then it's moving up toward us in KY. Anyone living in the path there better check weather. She said Arkansa news called it the biggest blizzard in 40 years.

saydeezmom

03-06-2008, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by snowfield

I tend to believe that whatever the reason is that he left, he perceives it as too shameful to contact or face his family and most of his friends. I say "most" of his friends because I think to be gone this long without obvious resources, he had to have a friend help him. It could be a friend Christine doesn't know about or isn't thinking about. [/*]

Hi I am new here. This case caught my eye when I saw Christine interviewing. She seemed so distant and she kept blinking her eyes and licking her lips. She would repeat some questions and then answer. I don't think she did anything to him or had him done away with; I think NF and CF set this up. I think the finances were dwindling and this would be a way for them to get some. I think he purposely told everyone about the cell phone (iPhone?) I think they made a big deal about the cookies (who knows if the little girl even knew she would be making cookies) That is why she makes those comments about daddy in front of the kids and post about the kids; to tug on the heart strings. I can't see needing fianancial help from friends a couple of days after his disapperance. I don't think his place of employment would be so harsh as to just cut her off. Wasn't it posted that someone from Etsy needed fianancial help and everyone rallied. Maybe they saw this as an opportunity to cash in. Then later he will show up in tim-buck-too with "amnesia" and it be a miracle he found his way home.

Does anyone know why they left the church?

remember Just my opinion!

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by seattlematt

That was what the wink was for in my previous post...... the second car (not the jeep see in the pic) is hers [/*]

oh, been there, done that? Gotcha. ;)

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Hm. I got the sense the cookies thing was prearranged between NF and his daughter; that's how things work in our family.

On a side note, somewhere it was said that NF said I love you prior to ending that last call. I am only slightly embarrassed to admit I never say that in phone conversations. Like, EVER. If my husband said it to me and then didn't turn up that night, I would FREAK OUT. [/*]

K, you better say it, you just never know when our chance to say so has past. People can have bad omens. My grandfather did. He told my grandmother the weekend he died, that sometimes that weekend one of them would die. Sure enough, he was killed in a car accident on Sunday.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Actually I just clicked on the link and it wasn't right.. for some reason it didn't save it the way that I had it. You have to be on the 6th rung down from the + sign and then do an aerial view to have both of them in the frame. Might just be for my computer tho. If you can see Harbor Island on the bottom and the Roy St. and Mercer St. on the top center then that is how I had it. It isn't very far away.. either way.. you can see it is just south of downtown. [/*]

No what you posted was good enough for me; I did not expect at all to see what I saw. If you put his office in the upper right corner and zoom in to second rung under + , what are the businesses on the water or west between S Washington and S King? What is the water area or access at west of S Jackson?

This is one of those things that may turn out to be embarrassing bullsh*t but my hackles are up and if I were in WA that's where I'd go to look.

desmom

03-06-2008, 06:12 PM

Welcome to the boards Saydeezmom! :shrug:

I don't think it has ever been stated why they left their church.

need2no

03-06-2008, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by seattlematt

That was what the wink was for in my previous post...... the second car (not the jeep see in the pic) is hers [/*]

Ah, I missed your post...they are flying right now, hard to keep up. Good to see you on board, and thanks for the pics you posted.

I've send the house pics with 2 cars in the carport so I assumed all along she had her own transporation. Are you referring to these pics of the house, or some other pics?

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 06:14 PM

seattlematt

03-06-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Ah, I missed your post...they are flying right now, hard to keep up. Good to see you on board, and thanks for the pics you posted.

I've send the house pics with 2 cars in the carport so I assumed all along she had her own transporation. Are you referring to these pics of the house, or some other pics? [/*]

I was refering to the one pics that CF has posted on Flikr

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by isitme

It sure would help if we knew the answer to that one wouldn't it? [/*]

I was trying to find the article that said the dogs didn't pick up on anything either at his car or at his work.

need2no

03-06-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by desmom
Welcome to the boards Saydeezmom! :shrug:

I don't think it has ever been stated why they left their church. [/*]

I sure do wish someone would explain this.

need2no

03-06-2008, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I was trying to find the article that said the dogs didn't pick up on anything either at his car or at his work. [/*]

Someone just posted it upthread.

huskiki

03-06-2008, 06:16 PM

Does anyone remember when we were discussing Christine's interview and how she made reference to his car ...how many days back was that? LOL I know I posted a link to a picture of their house with 2 cars, I didn't think it was the one with the Jeep but maybe it was. sigh Anyway, I think the Subaru was/is hers. I can't imagine a stay at home mom without wheels.

need2no

03-06-2008, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by seattlematt

I was refering to the one pics that CF has posted on Flikr [/*]

Ok, thanks. I believe those are the ones I've looked at.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Why leave your car to be found if you are going to do suicide? Just drive your car out into the woods and shoot yourself. But, park your car to be found???? Nah...... [/*]

Personally, I don't think this is a suicide, no note, which is not uncommon as I understand it. Mostly because like you, I think he would have taken his vehicle w/him. But I don't think most people go hide away from everyone to kill themselves. Stranger things have happen though. You just never know what another person will do.

saydeezmom

03-06-2008, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by desmom
Welcome to the boards Saydeezmom! :shrug:

I don't think it has ever been stated why they left their church. [/*]

thank you!

I really don't know if it is relevant. I am just trying to keep up with some info.

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by isitme

If you use a "paid for email" address you can probably get in. I tried to get in also but used a free email address that I use for 99% of my stuff. It was rejected. I then contacted them to ask why. I was told to use an email account that I paid for and I could sign up then. I never did though. I read that board but find that just keeping up with this one is more than enough for me to do. [/*]

This is true, w/the exception of AOL. They don't accept AOL because your IP number changes so much.

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by saydeezmom

Hi I am new here. This case caught my eye when I saw Christine interviewing. She seemed so distant and she kept blinking her eyes and licking her lips. She would repeat some questions and then answer. I don't think she did anything to him or had him done away with; I think NF and CF set this up. I think the finances were dwindling and this would be a way for them to get some. I think he purposely told everyone about the cell phone (iPhone?) I think they made a big deal about the cookies (who knows if the little girl even knew she would be making cookies) That is why she makes those comments about daddy in front of the kids and post about the kids; to tug on the heart strings. I can't see needing fianancial help from friends a couple of days after his disapperance. I don't think his place of employment would be so harsh as to just cut her off. Wasn't it posted that someone from Etsy needed fianancial help and everyone rallied. Maybe they saw this as an opportunity to cash in. Then later he will show up in tim-buck-too with "amnesia" and it be a miracle he found his way home.

Does anyone know why they left the church?

remember Just my opinion! [/*]

Welcome! First off, just to clarify, we've dispelled the iPhone rumor. There was a pic of Nicholas with an iPhone in his flickr account but it turns out it was a cardboard replica made 6 months before the iPhone came out. Too funny!

I suppose that Christine's reactions might make sense if she was trying to cover up a scam. She comes across to some of us as overly defensive and even angry. Could she be angry at people questioning her, vs. possibly at her husband for leaving her? Maybe.

The scam thing though -- how much could they be getting from this? Enough to cover 3 weeks+ of lost wages? Maybe if he was in trouble and losing his job it would be worth it, but he is a talented guy. I'm sure he could find work even if he did lose his job.

It just seems like it would be a lot of work. Plus the amnesia thing would be pretty unbelievable. There was a guy who disappeared for 3 days in this area last year and his story was he fell while he was jogging and was unconscious the whole time, yet had no signs of injury etc. People were very skeptical and I'm sure they would be even more so in this situation with 3 weeks of LE efforts, and the fundraising too.

However, if its a scam and he does show up, I'm predicting that will happen on Easter Sunday, March 23. ;)

JMO!

AJandTam

03-06-2008, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Oh man! I have 5 more pages to catch up on, but before I read them all .. a few things:

Did anybody see this, that his mom wrote?

----------------------------------------------

I’ve only been praying that if someone is persecuting my son, I pray for their heart to be softened so that my son can be brought back to us safely,” Rosann Francisco said.

----------------------------------------

Found it strange, she should say 'persecuting'.

I found that here:

http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=2387.0

Also: after filling husband in on all the latest details, this is what he said:

He could have been embezelling from the company .... and that's why the P.I. was hired.

He could have known something, and been put in the witness protection program.

One more thing he said, but darn, I forgot.

OK .. back to reading ... [/*]

If they put you in a witness protection program. Don't they let you take your wife and kids?

desmom

03-06-2008, 06:22 PM

I was reading at WS. One of the posters, T-Rex, asked about toll roads and EZ Pass.

Are there any toll roads in the area? Would NF had driven these roads en route to Costco and/or home?

TIA

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Assuming NF took off, I don't think he ever considered for a minute going very far in his car....that would be like trying to hide an elephant in a cup of yogurt...ain't gonna happen.

So..the question is-

Was there any connection to the condo's or something else close by?
Did he leave the car so it would be found and could be returned to Christina?
Did he leave the car so it would be found and would send a clue that he was ok, just chose to leave?
Did he leave the car there because the person he left with had a connection to the condos?
Did he leave the car there because that was a convenient and prearranged place to meet?
Did he leave the car there because no one would pay much attention to people going in and out of that parking lot?

:shrug: [/*]

At first I thought the car might have been left there so it would be returned as others suggested, but if so I think it rules out him being involved or connected with anyone in those condos. I would think if he went to all that trouble he would not want someone connecting the dots.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 06:26 PM

Means nothing....just stuff I found....

https://twitter.com/sisco/statuses/708411622
https://twitter.com/sisco/statuses/688280242
https://twitter.com/sisco/statuses/100550672
https://twitter.com/sisco

https://twitter.com/sisco?page=2
About
Name francisco
Location Seattle
Web http://franciscod...
Bio i make stuff

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?k=100000080&id=533599820

saydeezmom

03-06-2008, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Welcome! First off, just to clarify, we've dispelled the iPhone rumor. There was a pic of Nicholas with an iPhone in his flickr account but it turns out it was a cardboard replica made 6 months before the iPhone came out. Too funny!

I suppose that Christine's reactions might make sense if she was trying to cover up a scam. She comes across to some of us as overly defensive and even angry. Could she be angry at people questioning her, vs. possibly at her husband for leaving her? Maybe.

The scam thing though -- how much could they be getting from this? Enough to cover 3 weeks+ of lost wages? Maybe if he was in trouble and losing his job it would be worth it, but he is a talented guy. I'm sure he could find work even if he did lose his job.

It just seems like it would be a lot of work. Plus the amnesia thing would be pretty unbelievable. There was a guy who disappeared for 3 days in this area last year and his story was he fell while he was jogging and was unconscious the whole time, yet had no signs of injury etc. People were very skeptical and I'm sure they would be even more so in this situation with 3 weeks of LE efforts, and the fundraising too.

However, if its a scam and he does show up, I'm predicting that will happen on Easter Sunday, March 23. ;)

JMO! [/*]

True very true. On second thought maybe it is just a scam to create a buzz (publicity) for her business or his on the side business. (doesn't he have one?) Hey is seattlematt the same matt that is his friend and went camping with him and the 3rd guy? oh and by the way when I was a stay at home mom we could not afford a 2nd car for me. I did all my running around when hubby got home, or if kids got sick I would take him to work and keep the car. We had to make do.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
Does anyone remember when we were discussing Christine's interview and how she made reference to his car ...how many days back was that? LOL I know I posted a link to a picture of their house with 2 cars, I didn't think it was the one with the Jeep but maybe it was. sigh Anyway, I think the Subaru was/is hers. I can't imagine a stay at home mom without wheels. [/*]

The pics of their house, open garage and cars are on that flikr account (at work - can't track down link right now, but it is a few pages back I think)

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by desmom
I was reading at WS. One of the posters, T-Rex, asked about toll roads and EZ Pass.

Are there any toll roads in the area? Would NF had driven these roads en route to Costco and/or home?

TIA [/*]

I asked this early on and a guy named SeattleEddie (who is no longer with us on here) said there are no toll roads in Seattle. I dunno.

isitme

03-06-2008, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

No what you posted was good enough for me; I did not expect at all to see what I saw. If you put his office in the upper right corner and zoom in to second rung under + , what are the businesses on the water or west between S Washington and S King? What is the water area or access at west of S Jackson?

This is one of those things that may turn out to be embarrassing bullsh*t but my hackles are up and if I were in WA that's where I'd go to look. [/*]

I'm missing something here and I hate to be in dark - what zip code/location are you using for this google map view?

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 06:34 PM

http://flickr.com/photos/francisco/page5/

this shows a pic of the house and cars, but there are better ones on there somewhere

desmom

03-06-2008, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I asked this early on and a guy named SeattleEddie (who is no longer with us on here) said there are no toll roads in Seattle. I dunno. [/*]

Thanks!

need2no

03-06-2008, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I suppose that Christine's reactions might make sense if she was trying to cover up a scam. She comes across to some of us as overly defensive and even angry. Could she be angry at people questioning her, vs. possibly at her husband for leaving her? Maybe.

The scam thing though -- how much could they be getting from this? Enough to cover 3 weeks+ of lost wages? Maybe if he was in trouble and losing his job it would be worth it, but he is a talented guy. I'm sure he could find work even if he did lose his job.

It just seems like it would be a lot of work. Plus the amnesia thing would be pretty unbelievable. There was a guy who disappeared for 3 days in this area last year and his story was he fell while he was jogging and was unconscious the whole time, yet had no signs of injury etc. People were very skeptical and I'm sure they would be even more so in this situation with 3 weeks of LE efforts, and the fundraising too.

However, if its a scam and he does show up, I'm predicting that will happen on Easter Sunday, March 23. ;)

JMO! [/*]

On Greta a few nights ago (when they were touring Drew Peterson's house), it was stated he got lots of donations to pay his legal fees. I don't know if that meant he got enough to cover all his legal fees, or just a lot to go toward's his legal fees.

So...if people will donate on behalf of Drew Peterson, just imagine what they will donate to a unemployed (per CF) pregnant mother of 2 who's husband has disappeared.

I think Sherry's hubby is right on. Something along the lines of embellzment or stealing company business. Maybe CF knew and was in on it, or maybe she has since figured it out, or been advised by LE.

Did anyone here follow the case of Trenton Duckett? I know Desmom did and she will recall the BOA embellzment we learned about months into following this very strange missing child case. Stuff happens.

If it was embellzment maybe NF confessed to the church and asked for forgiveness...maybe the church asked for his resignation. Maybe this mess was about to become public knowledge and that's why NF took off.

huskiki

03-06-2008, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
http://flickr.com/photos/francisco/page5/

this shows a pic of the house and cars, but there are better ones on there somewhere [/*]

Thanks Rainy!

I've been sifting though the flickr pics and I'm beginning to think I was seeing things. LOL I do know I saw a Subaru.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Welcome! First off, just to clarify, we've dispelled the iPhone rumor. There was a pic of Nicholas with an iPhone in his flickr account but it turns out it was a cardboard replica made 6 months before the iPhone came out. Too funny!

I suppose that Christine's reactions might make sense if she was trying to cover up a scam. She comes across to some of us as overly defensive and even angry. Could she be angry at people questioning her, vs. possibly at her husband for leaving her? Maybe.

The scam thing though -- how much could they be getting from this? Enough to cover 3 weeks+ of lost wages? Maybe if he was in trouble and losing his job it would be worth it, but he is a talented guy. I'm sure he could find work even if he did lose his job.

It just seems like it would be a lot of work. Plus the amnesia thing would be pretty unbelievable. There was a guy who disappeared for 3 days in this area last year and his story was he fell while he was jogging and was unconscious the whole time, yet had no signs of injury etc. People were very skeptical and I'm sure they would be even more so in this situation with 3 weeks of LE efforts, and the fundraising too.

However, if its a scam and he does show up, I'm predicting that will happen on Easter Sunday, March 23. ;)

JMO! [/*]

I saw an online fund raising bring in $10,000 from ONE auction one time for a woman....and that was just ONE AUCTION. They had many for her. Plus they sent her gift cards for shopping, Restaurant gift cards, sent her on a vacation, paid for her daycare, sent care packages, paid her mortgage, bought her a fridge when it broke, sent her multiple payments from collections and auctions they had....this went on for 3 years. Beleive me, this woman collected a fortune from this online group. And not only that, it was learned that she was also receiving the same help from her church and local community and family and friends (she was always quiet about the other help she would get....she'd just let us know her needs, peppered with Bible verses). She slipped up once and let it be known that people in her church were paying for the same daycare that others from this group were sending money for!

You might be surprised how much money one can get from donations online and locally. Remember, if you're collecting from all over the country, it could add up pretty fast.

desmom

03-06-2008, 06:39 PM

saydeezmom

03-06-2008, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
http://flickr.com/photos/francisco/page5/

this shows a pic of the house and cars, but there are better ones on there somewhere [/*]

those pics of him by himself just are weird to me. it looks like he is a want to goth that is too old now. did you see the fabric of the skull and cross bones? weird. i think that some of the "names" of the people on her comments section on etsy are just weird too. maybe they were just not what they were presenting themselves as. and maybe that is why she gets angry of defensive because she is still trying hide this "other side" of their marriage.

saydeezmom

03-06-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by desmom

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11321173#post11321173

[/*]

sorry guess i missed that one!

need2no

03-06-2008, 06:43 PM

desmom

03-06-2008, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by saydeezmom

sorry guess i missed that one! [/*]

YW! It is hard to keep all the info straight. I have started taking notes. LOL!

desmom

03-06-2008, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Isn't twitter a social networking site? That's more food for thought. [/*]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter describes it as being a free social networking and micro-blogging service.....

isitme

03-06-2008, 06:51 PM

Just a thought regarding money and what NF may have access to.

If he planned to leave, say back in June when he was promoted to art director, perhaps he told CF that there was a six month hold on the salary increase when there really wasn't. If he cashed/deposited his pay check himself, as opposed to direct deposit, he could have been skimming his own paycheck of the extra $$.

I suppose it would depend on how much the increase in salary would have been to know whether it would have amounted to much in 8 months or not.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Beth

Forgive me if i'm wrong, but isn't this the day he went missing? Did he do this from work? [/*]
10:09 AM February 13, 2008 from im

Yes

need2no

03-06-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Protestant churches do not work that way. He would have been told to go to the POLICE but they would have stood behind him if he ask for forgiveness. [/*]

Frankly their church sounds weird to me, and I still think they play into this somehow.

need2no

03-06-2008, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by isitme
Just a thought regarding money and what NF may have access to.

If he planned to leave, say back in June when he was promoted to art director, perhaps he told CF that there was a six month hold on the salary increase when there really wasn't. If he cashed/deposited his pay check himself, as opposed to direct deposit, he could have been skimming his own paycheck of the extra $$.

I suppose it would depend on how much the increase in salary would have been to know whether it would have amounted to much in 8 months or not. [/*]

Right or wrong I like the way you're thinking.

need2no

03-06-2008, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Here is a link to N's friends from Twitter. I've got a whole new feeling now. https://twitter.com/sisco/friends

You may have to be a twitter member to see them but I can see them. [/*]

You do have to be a member. Can you share with us what your whole new feeling is, please.

dianaelaine

03-06-2008, 06:56 PM

need2no

03-06-2008, 06:57 PM

I see some different nics popping on board. If you haven't voted in the POLL, please go to the main page and click on
POLL:What do you think happened to Nicholas, and place your vote.

huskiki

03-06-2008, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by need2no

You do have to be a member. Can you share with us what your whole new feeling is, please. [/*]

I'm a member (because I sign up for everything lol) but I'm not sure what it's all about. I can see who he's following, I think that means blogs and/or websites of interest. :shrug:

need2no

03-06-2008, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I'm a member (because I sign up for everything lol) but I'm not sure what it's all about. I can see who he's following, I think that means blogs and/or websites of interest. :shrug: [/*]

Hmmm, my curiosity is up but I don't want to join, or search for what she was referring to over there.

Maybe she will update us at some point.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 07:06 PM

From his Twitter:
I've been promoted to Art Director. woot! 04:22 PM June 11, 2007 from twitterrific

Nellie

03-06-2008, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

But it could very likely ruin his career and the donations won't last long. You do realize he worked for one of the fourth largest advertising agencies in the States don't you. Not just the States but they also have offices in Rome. Why would he give up a very good career for a few months of donations? Doesn't;t make sense. [/*]

Quick cash....

huskiki

03-06-2008, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Hmmm, my curiosity is up but I don't want to join, or search for what she was referring to over there.

Maybe she will update us at some point. [/*]

Well, it lists people who's blogs or websites he follows. When they update their site it alerts him and he can go check it out. Some of my blog friends have it so I signed up but never really figured it out.

I went to one of the females sites. Yes, I'm going down that road. There are only a few females that he follows. I went to her entry from Feb 13th and there's a comment from "Nico". It wasn't a suggestive comment or anything but I'm wondering if he's going by the name Nico when he comments. Here's the link, look in the comments under the post titled "Artificial Sweetners".

http://mihow.com/

I have to get dinner ready but will be back after the youngest is in bed. This is all very interesting.

Disclaimer: I am not implying that any comments or contacts that Nicholas made or has mean anything other than a simple blogging community. If you guys were able to find his twitter account then so could Christine so I don't think he was hiding anything.

desmom

03-06-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by need2no
I see some different nics popping on board. If you haven't voted in the POLL, please go to the main page and click on
POLL:What do you think happened to Nicholas, and place your vote. [/*]

I voted. :D

Your mail box is full. :D

Nellie

03-06-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Why quick cash. We have already seen links to the Police statements that there was nothing in their finances that would make him leave. I don't believe he would throw away his entire career for a little quick cash. [/*]

Instant pleas for money do not add up to "nothing wrong in their finances to me".

murdershewrote

03-06-2008, 07:30 PM

People's emotions about money really vary ( in Suzy Orman's books/TV show, she talks alot of our emotional relationship to money, how we were raised to think about money, etc.) I know people who don't have a dime in the bank and walk around like they are Paris Hilton, and others who have lots of money and would go into panic if they lost their job, or missed a paycheck.

So maybe Christine is just one of those who were raised to come from a mindset of scarcity about money, and her first reaction was to panic. I don't know her so I can't say, but it's not that unusual. I do agree that most people wouldn't go on message boards and ask for donations, as even very poor people don't want others to know how poor they are.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Instant pleas for money do not add up to "nothing wrong in their finances to me". [/*]

Instant desperate pleas

mc528

03-06-2008, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

Yup, I thought of that today ... [/*]

I thought of that also, right after the original comments about seeing his PayPal account. I still really feel that what was seen was actually bank accounts linked to his PayPal account. Maybe there was another bank account that money was being diverted to - instead of *from* in the case of embezzling. JMO/MOO

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by murdershewrote
People's emotions about money really vary ( in Suzy Orman's books/TV show, she talks alot of our emotional relationship to money, how we were raised to think about money, etc.) I know people who don't have a dime in the bank and walk around like they are Paris Hilton, and others who have lots of money and would go into panic if they lost their job, or missed a paycheck.

So maybe Christine is just one of those who were raised to come from a mindset of scarcity about money, and her first reaction was to panic. I don't know her so I can't say, but it's not that unusual. I do agree that most people wouldn't go on message boards and ask for donations, as even very poor people don't want others to know how poor they are. [/*]

I can certainly identify with micromanaging money because I do it. I just don't think I would answer "money" if someone asked what I needed during a time like that unless it was for reward money, then yes I would take it. I would want the reward money as enticing as possible.

murdershewrote

03-06-2008, 07:36 PM

I can't see him embezzling because he had no access to his employers money. Typically only people in accounting positions, etc. can try to steal money, and most aren't successful.

isitme

03-06-2008, 07:43 PM

But if he were skimming his own paycheck (taking the extra after his promotion that CF wasn't expecting him to be receiving until sometime in the future) he would have had approx. 8 month to build a stash of cash (hidden away, not in a bank account) to live off of when he fled. So perhaps there was $4,000.00 stashed? It wouldn't be enough to live off of forever but it would help him to leave the area. Especially if when he left he met up with someone else.

need2no

03-06-2008, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by desmom

I voted. :D

Your mail box is full. :D [/*]

Thank-you. Mail box is clean...just wish dinner was cooked. :)

murdershewrote

03-06-2008, 07:51 PM

yes, it's certainly possible he was hiding money from his own paycheck. But Christine seems like the type of woman who would want to know where every penny was going. And when he was getting that raise, she would probably hound him about it day and night. And then there's always the chance that somebody would say something at a company party, picnic, like "hey Christine, congratulations on Nick's promotion, what are you guys doing with that big raise he got"...you know how people can just say things like that without thinking.

But, you're right, it's certainly possible. I know a few married couples who have accounts that their spouses don't know about.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 07:52 PM

moonlessnite

03-06-2008, 07:52 PM

maybe this is already cleared up, but, Safeway is on the top of Queen Anne (QA) Hill. I see 3 locations around *lower QA* for Publicis West on google maps. Not sure which one NF worked at, but both Metro Market & QFC are closer than going up the hill to Safeway.

but even on lower QA, many blocks are on little hills. you might have to go up hill for half a block to a car parked on the street, and say you're going "up here", even if you're only 20 yards "up there".
Thing is street parking sux *** in lower QA. I mean, it's impossible really. How do you park on the street all day?
unless he was at the Publicis further to the north where it's a bit easier. anyone know the exact location of his job?

need2no

03-06-2008, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by murdershewrote
I can't see him embezzling because he had no access to his employers money. Typically only people in accounting positions, etc. can try to steal money, and most aren't successful. [/*]

Not really embezzling like most people think in terms of stealing.

Let me give an example of what I'm thinking though it is difficult to explain. I know a girl (former friend) who worked for XYZ company full time. She wasn't thrilled with the XYZ company or her salary so after a couple of years she started borrowing and storing business info and things with a plan to start her own business. She also chummed up and socialized with several of the XYZ's clients to win them over. In time she was working at home at nights and on the weekends (while maintaining the full time job at XYZ), doing work and making a profit from this work which should have been done through her job. In other words she offered to prove herself to the clients for a cheaper fee than her employer, XYZ, was charging and stole their business little by little. After about a year of this she got caught and was fired and they filed a lawsuit against her. I never heard the result of that lawsuit. Anyway she went on start her own company with some of the former clients from XYZ and has been quite successful. Of course she has no morals or ethics in my book, and the worst part is she feels no guilt or shame for what she did. Dirty pool in my book.

So does this make more sense in terms of what NF may have been doing? I could be more specific in relating it to his job except I have little knowledge of his business.

n/t

03-06-2008, 08:02 PM

Just catching up. Stuck on twitter and what that all means. LOL

Carry on....

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

When I look at his pictures it almost seems like a yin/yang - some are dark and brooding and some are like a ray of sunshine. I saw where he commented on the skull and crossbones fabric for an apron? and I thought well its certainly not MY taste. I do know that highly creative artistic people are a little eccentric so I've chalked it up to that. [/*]

I read recently a study that highly creative people have a higher incidence of certain mental illnesses -- I'm thinking it was bipolar, but not sure. I'll see if I can find the link.

The skull and crossbones fabric he said was from Christine's sewing biz. I haven't looked to see if she has it in her Etsy store.

desmom

03-06-2008, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Not really embezzling like most people think in terms of stealing.

Let me give an example of what I'm thinking though it is difficult to explain. I know a girl (former friend) who worked for XYZ company full time. She wasn't thrilled with the XYZ company or her salary so after a couple of years she started borrowing and storing business info and things with a plan to start her own business. She also chummed up and socialized with several of the XYZ's clients to win them over. In time she was working at home at nights and on the weekends (while maintaining the full time job at XYZ), doing work and making a profit from this work which should have been done through her job. In other words she offered to prove herself to the clients for a cheaper fee than her employer, XYZ, was charging and stole their business little by little. After about a year of this she got caught and was fired and they filed a lawsuit against her. I never heard the result of that lawsuit. Anyway she went on start her own company with some of the former clients from XYZ and has been quite successful. Of course she has no morals or ethics in my book, and the worst part is she feels no guilt or shame for what she did. Dirty pool in my book.

So does this make more sense in terms of what NF may have been doing? I could be more specific in relating it to his job except I have little knowledge of his business. [/*]

I would think the ad agency business could be pretty cut throat.

DH works (and I worked) for 2 different internationally known companies. Both companies required their employees to sign a contract stating we understood we could not go to work for a competitor or contract with their custsomers with in XX number of years if we left their employment. (I know there is a term for this contract, but I can't think of the name. LOL!)

I wonder if NF had to sign one with Publicis.

jmo

mc528

03-06-2008, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Not really embezzling like most people think in terms of stealing.

Let me give an example of what I'm thinking though it is difficult to explain. I know a girl (former friend) who worked for XYZ company full time. She wasn't thrilled with the XYZ company or her salary so after a couple of years she started borrowing and storing business info and things with a plan to start her own business. She also chummed up and socialized with several of the XYZ's clients to win them over. In time she was working at home at nights and on the weekends (while maintaining the full time job at XYZ), doing work and making a profit from this work which should have been done through her job. In other words she offered to prove herself to the clients for a cheaper fee than her employer, XYZ, was charging and stole their business little by little. After about a year of this she got caught and was fired and they filed a lawsuit against her. I never heard the result of that lawsuit. Anyway she went on start her own company with some of the former clients from XYZ and has been quite successful. Of course she has no morals or ethics in my book, and the worst part is she feels no guilt or shame for what she did. Dirty pool in my book.

So does this make more sense in terms of what NF may have been doing? I could be more specific in relating it to his job except I have little knowledge of his business. [/*]

Makes sense to me. It would also fit with the company hiring a PI so soon. IMO

murdershewrote

03-06-2008, 08:13 PM

needtono, I see what you're getting at. It's possible since it's reported that he did have one or two projects of his own he was working on as side work. Which most large companies such as the one he worked for do frown on, some even prohibit it as conflict of interest. But somehow I just don't think that is it.

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Not really embezzling like most people think in terms of stealing.

Let me give an example of what I'm thinking though it is difficult to explain. I know a girl (former friend) who worked for XYZ company full time. She wasn't thrilled with the XYZ company or her salary so after a couple of years she started borrowing and storing business info and things with a plan to start her own business. She also chummed up and socialized with several of the XYZ's clients to win them over. In time she was working at home at nights and on the weekends (while maintaining the full time job at XYZ), doing work and making a profit from this work which should have been done through her job. In other words she offered to prove herself to the clients for a cheaper fee than her employer, XYZ, was charging and stole their business little by little. After about a year of this she got caught and was fired and they filed a lawsuit against her. I never heard the result of that lawsuit. Anyway she went on start her own company with some of the former clients from XYZ and has been quite successful. Of course she has no morals or ethics in my book, and the worst part is she feels no guilt or shame for what she did. Dirty pool in my book.

So does this make more sense in terms of what NF may have been doing? I could be more specific in relating it to his job except I have little knowledge of his business. [/*]

Interesting. Someone mentioned something similar in a PM to me last week. I think it would certainly be possible to do something like that in his line of work. Consider that he already has a freelance design business of his own. Also I read a quote somewhere from a coworker that said Nicholas much preferred to be with his family than at work -- and a few of those twitter comments were about working on a Saturday. Maybe being his own boss had some appeal. But still it would seem there would be easier ways to do this than disappear for 3+ weeks.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Not really embezzling like most people think in terms of stealing.

Let me give an example of what I'm thinking though it is difficult to explain. I know a girl (former friend) who worked for XYZ company full time. She wasn't thrilled with the XYZ company or her salary so after a couple of years she started borrowing and storing business info and things with a plan to start her own business. She also chummed up and socialized with several of the XYZ's clients to win them over. In time she was working at home at nights and on the weekends (while maintaining the full time job at XYZ), doing work and making a profit from this work which should have been done through her job. In other words she offered to prove herself to the clients for a cheaper fee than her employer, XYZ, was charging and stole their business little by little. After about a year of this she got caught and was fired and they filed a lawsuit against her. I never heard the result of that lawsuit. Anyway she went on start her own company with some of the former clients from XYZ and has been quite successful. Of course she has no morals or ethics in my book, and the worst part is she feels no guilt or shame for what she did. Dirty pool in my book.

So does this make more sense in terms of what NF may have been doing? I could be more specific in relating it to his job except I have little knowledge of his business. [/*]

Yes it does - freelancing on the side and undercutting the company, therefore stealing some of the business.

murdershewrote

03-06-2008, 08:15 PM

it's usually called a non-compete clause.

I worked for an ad agency too and it is very competitive.

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by desmom

I would think the ad agency business could be pretty cut throat.

DH works (and I worked) for 2 different internationally known companies. Both companies required their employees to sign a contract stating we understood we could not go to work for a competitor or contract with their custsomers with in XX number of years if we left their employment. (I know there is a term for this contract, but I can't think of the name. LOL!)

I wonder if NF had to sign one with Publicis.

jmo [/*]

Yes, that's called a "non-compete" contract. Lots of businesses require them, especially technology/software companies. Not sure how well they actually hold up in court though.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by desmom

I would think the ad agency business could be pretty cut throat.

DH works (and I worked) for 2 different internationally known companies. Both companies required their employees to sign a contract stating we understood we could not go to work for a competitor or contract with their custsomers with in XX number of years if we left their employment. (I know there is a term for this contract, but I can't think of the name. LOL!)

I wonder if NF had to sign one with Publicis.

jmo [/*]

non compete clause?
sounds like an echo in here LOL

desmom

03-06-2008, 08:23 PM

Thank You! Non compete clause!

My mind was drawing a blank!

Thank you Murdershewrote, ThruTheTrees and RainyNiteNTx!

:biggrin:

field of snow

03-06-2008, 08:26 PM

Publicis does the entire spectrum of marketing/advertising work. Including websites.

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

But I thought his business on the side was web design but for Publicis he did advertising design. Those are not the same types of job so he would not be cutting into their business. [/*]

His website is http://www.franciscodesign.com/design/ It shows that he does a variety of design work, including print. Not just web design. And these days there's web advertising too.

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by desmom
Thank You! Non compete clause!

My mind was drawing a blank!

Thank you Murdershewrote, ThruTheTrees and RainyNiteNTx!

:biggrin: [/*]

Hey Desmom :seeya:

n/t

03-06-2008, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Interesting. Someone mentioned something similar in a PM to me last week. I think it would certainly be possible to do something like that in his line of work. Consider that he already has a freelance design business of his own. Also I read a quote somewhere from a coworker that said Nicholas much preferred to be with his family than at work -- and a few of those twitter comments were about working on a Saturday. Maybe being his own boss had some appeal. But still it would seem there would be easier ways to do this than disappear for 3+ weeks. [/*]

I agree. Interesting theory but I don't understand how he would just pick up and leave his pregnant wife and 2 kids.

However, anything is possible and we've seen all kinds of bizarre cases. With that said, I wonder, if the hiring of the PI was a scare tactic?

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

He does really good work that I have seem. I also saw on a blog he was posting on and they were saying Quark is being eliminated. He was talking about using Indesign and that kind of surprised me. I thought only an unexperienced person like my group used InDesign. [/*]

I work in publishing. I'd say an inexperienced person would use Microsoft Publisher. But Adobe's InDesign is pretty much the standard for professional layout software now. (I still use PageMaker myself, but that's just because my office hasn't bought InDesign yet.)

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

InDesign is Microsoft. [/*]

Maybe you are thinking of something else? InDesign is made by Adobe.

http://www.adobe.com/products/indesign/?sdid=BSPWU&s_kwcid=indesign|1042810709

Nellie

03-06-2008, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by mc528

I thought of that also, right after the original comments about seeing his PayPal account. I still really feel that what was seen was actually bank accounts linked to his PayPal account. Maybe there was another bank account that money was being diverted to - instead of *from* in the case of embezzling. JMO/MOO [/*]

Christine says he just didn't make as much as she expected in his Pay Pal.... :shrug:

Nellie

03-06-2008, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by murdershewrote
yes, it's certainly possible he was hiding money from his own paycheck. But Christine seems like the type of woman who would want to know where every penny was going. And when he was getting that raise, she would probably hound him about it day and night. And then there's always the chance that somebody would say something at a company party, picnic, like "hey Christine, congratulations on Nick's promotion, what are you guys doing with that big raise he got"...you know how people can just say things like that without thinking.

But, you're right, it's certainly possible. I know a few married couples who have accounts that their spouses don't know about. [/*]

If he was hiding money from her....socking it away in his Pay Pal account, I high doubt he'd tell her his password to it.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by murdershewrote
yes, it's certainly possible he was hiding money from his own paycheck. But Christine seems like the type of woman who would want to know where every penny was going. And when he was getting that raise, she would probably hound him about it day and night. And then there's always the chance that somebody would say something at a company party, picnic, like "hey Christine, congratulations on Nick's promotion, what are you guys doing with that big raise he got"...you know how people can just say things like that without thinking.

But, you're right, it's certainly possible. I know a few married couples who have accounts that their spouses don't know about. [/*]

Doesn't look like Christine knew of any raise.
Seems he was promoted last June to Art Director, but didn't get the Art Director pay Does that make any sense? That's been 9 months ago! Was it just a "title promotion"?

though it’s none of your business Nicholas was on a studio salary and not on an art director salary as he was up for his raise in the coming months. he was promoted last summer to the art director position.

isitme

03-06-2008, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

If he was hiding money from her....socking it away in his Pay Pal account, I high doubt he'd tell her his password to it. [/*]

But he would not have to hide it in his PayPal account. If he were already planning to escape he could be hiding it in a tool box in the garage, in a locked drawer at work, anywhere.

mc528

03-06-2008, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

If he was hiding money from her....socking it away in his Pay Pal account, I high doubt he'd tell her his password to it. [/*]

If this were the case, stashing money from his paychecks, I don't think it was his PayPal account he was moving it into. I think he had another bank account. I think that either he had his paychecks direct deposited to this other account, and then transferred money to their joint account to cover their monthly bills; or he would transfer money to this other account monthly from their joint account. CF may not have known this was happenning until she saw that previously unknown to her account tied to his PayPal account.....which she may not have even thought to look for until LE started asking her about their/his finances. The attaching it to his PayPal account would give him the ability to withdraw the funds using a PayPal debit card. MOO

K Anne

03-06-2008, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by need2no
(re: church resignation)

I sure do wish someone would explain this. [/*]

If you read about that church, it explains itself. :( But I too would like to hear more about why they left.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 09:55 PM

No wait. Does this all really mean nothing? What is this??

Originally posted by Nellie
Means nothing....just stuff I found....

https://twitter.com/sisco/statuses/708411622
https://twitter.com/sisco/statuses/688280242
https://twitter.com/sisco/statuses/100550672
https://twitter.com/sisco

https://twitter.com/sisco?page=2
About
Name francisco
Location Seattle
Web http://franciscod...
Bio i make stuff

http://www.facebook.com/s.php?k=100000080&id=533599820 [/*]

K Anne

03-06-2008, 09:57 PM

https://twitter.com/eargang?page=6

bottom item is link to "missing" flyer

sorry if someone beat me to this?

huskiki

03-06-2008, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by K Anne
No wait. Does this all really mean nothing? What is this??

[/*]

Hi K Anne. It may or maynot mean something. Twitter is a service where you can track certain blogs or websites and other people can track you. So when one of those people you are tracking (might be a bad word for it) or following posts something to their site you are alerted and vice versa.

Nicholas was following some blogs/websites and it's possible that he commented on those sites as well as those people commenting on his.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by saydeezmom

True very true. On second thought maybe it is just a scam to create a buzz (publicity) for her business or his on the side business. (doesn't he have one?) Hey is seattlematt the same matt that is his friend and went camping with him and the 3rd guy? oh and by the way when I was a stay at home mom we could not afford a 2nd car for me. I did all my running around when hubby got home, or if kids got sick I would take him to work and keep the car. We had to make do. [/*]

When I was a SAHM I had my own car; had it for years prior to pregnancy; still have it today. I commend those of you who had to make do with just the one car; you must be better "teammates" than I am!!

About the car, didn't CF say in one video interview "Look at his CAR?!" in other words, they're not uber-rich, right, but, his car. Not "our" car. His car. To me that implies they have two.

n/t

03-06-2008, 10:04 PM

I wonder how they both found time to be so active on all these internet sites.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by isitme

I'm missing something here and I hate to be in dark - what zip code/location are you using for this google map view? [/*]

I don't use zip codes when I'm looking at maps -- use "street address, Seattle, WA" or else just "Seattle, WA" and zero in on what I want to see.

In this case Mystry used the Publicis location on 1st Ave S, I don't have exact address but it is in 200 block?

n/t

03-06-2008, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hi K Anne. It may or maynot mean something. Twitter is a service where you can track certain blogs or websites and other people can track you. So when one of those people you are tracking (might be a bad word for it) or following posts something to their site you are alerted and vice versa.

Nicholas was following some blogs/websites and it's possible that he commented on those sites as well as those people commenting on his. [/*]

How was this site discovered though? Wouldn't the person have to know his username? From what I could tell, he's using im?

It's the first time I've seen so much internet activity by a missing person. Mind boggling.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by isitme

But he would not have to hide it in his PayPal account. If he were already planning to escape he could be hiding it in a tool box in the garage, in a locked drawer at work, anywhere. [/*]

Well, I would agree with that. I was just answering to the speculation from some people that he was funneling it through his Pay Pal account. I just don't think he'd give her his Password if he was doing that.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 10:10 PM

huskiki

03-06-2008, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by n/t

How was this site discovered though? Wouldn't the person have to know his username? From what I could tell, he's using im?

It's the first time I've seen so much internet activity by a missing person. Mind boggling. [/*]

I found it in a google search before. His username is Francisco, not too original. That's what makes me think that he's not hiding anything from Christine, at least not there. If we could find it, so could she.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by saydeezmom

those pics of him by himself just are weird to me. it looks like he is a want to goth that is too old now. did you see the fabric of the skull and cross bones? weird. i think that some of the "names" of the people on her comments section on etsy are just weird too. maybe they were just not what they were presenting themselves as. and maybe that is why she gets angry of defensive because she is still trying hide this "other side" of their marriage. [/*]

Aw, come on. Don't rip on old goths. :(

I think the whole online social networking phenomenon is all about freedom to be this name here or that name there or express aspects you don't express in "real" life. And on something like Etsy or myspace or what have you, you want your profile to stand out, right? Especially on a selling site. So you don't put your real name, because, if you Google yourself, there are like 40 of you out there but none of them are you. On Etsy you put a shop name or other "catchy" set of letters and numbers and hopefully people buy from you and remember your distinctive name.

Also, skull and crossbones is pretty standard fare for Seattle. Remember this is Nirvanatown. I've never met a boring um, Seattleite; at any age, people there are edgy and hip. It may not indicate an "other side" to hide; it may just be the way they live. Not a lot of judgment up there I don't think.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by K Anne
No wait. Does this all really mean nothing? What is this??

[/*]

Might not mean a thing. I just found another presence online and thought I'd show you all to see if you think it means anything. I don't see anything myself....other than another online presence. I've never even heard of twitter myself. He was active on it up til he dissappeared.

n/t

03-06-2008, 10:18 PM

n/t

03-06-2008, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I found it be being a "google queen"! LOL! [/*]

Sigh, and I thought I was the google queen. *handing over the google queen crown over to Nellie".

:D

K Anne

03-06-2008, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by need2no

You do have to be a member. Can you share with us what your whole new feeling is, please. [/*]

Friends are edgy and hip. In the context of churchgoing stable sweet family guy, to some it might not look quite right. But remember their church ministers to the edgy and hip, so maybe this is not much of note.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 10:22 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Sigh, and I thought I was the google queen. *handing over the google queen crown over to Nellie".

:D [/*]

I don't know...maybe huskiki is the google queen... *handing over the google queen crown to huskiki! :D

isitme

03-06-2008, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Well, I would agree with that. I was just answering to the speculation from some people that he was funneling it through his Pay Pal account. I just don't think he'd give her his Password if he was doing that. [/*]

OK, got it now. You are right he probably wouldn't give her a password to any account if he wanted to keep it a secret from her.

Hmmm, PayPal password - Did C say she FOUND his password, or REMEMBERED it?

n/t

03-06-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Aw, come on. Don't rip on old goths. :(

I think the whole online social networking phenomenon is all about freedom to be this name here or that name there or express aspects you don't express in "real" life. And on something like Etsy or myspace or what have you, you want your profile to stand out, right? Especially on a selling site. So you don't put your real name, because, if you Google yourself, there are like 40 of you out there but none of them are you. On Etsy you put a shop name or other "catchy" set of letters and numbers and hopefully people buy from you and remember your distinctive name.

Also, skull and crossbones is pretty standard fare for Seattle. Remember this is Nirvanatown. I've never met a boring um, Seattleite; at any age, people there are edgy and hip. It may not indicate an "other side" to hide; it may just be the way they live. Not a lot of judgment up there I don't think. [/*]

But he did put his real name otherwise how would people find all this info about him on these websites?

When I google my name, I don't find anything. I must have a boring life or maybe I'm not hip. :(

huskiki

03-06-2008, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I don't know...maybe huskiki is the google queen... *handing over the google queen crown to huskiki! :D [/*]

No, no ...perhaps we can share it between us :beer:

isitme

03-06-2008, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

I don't use zip codes when I'm looking at maps -- use "street address, Seattle, WA" or else just "Seattle, WA" and zero in on what I want to see.

In this case Mystry used the Publicis location on 1st Ave S, I don't have exact address but it is in 200 block? [/*]

Thanks. Something else for me look into.

I have so many tabs open now I have to keep scrolling back and forth to find them all, plus the added windows I have open. Guess that is why my poor laptap is lagging.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Instant desperate pleas [/*]

Didn't someone post an Etsy link earlier wherein some other Etsy person had posted invitation to donate after having talked to CF's *sister* who said help was desperately needed? That's a couple of mouths away from the horse's mouth.

Did CF herself come out immediately and ask Etsy for money? If so, provide link. Maybe this type of info or direct quote could go into the What We Now thread too.

huskiki

03-06-2008, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Man, I have literally and figuratively twittered the past 3 hours away. Strange place but nothing to report that would raise any eyebrows... yet. [/*]

Isn't it fun?! I'm thinking because it was found so easily by us then he wouldn't be hiding anything there because Christine could have found it just as easily.

Danette44

03-06-2008, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I found it in a google search before. His username is Francisco, not too original. That's what makes me think that he's not hiding anything from Christine, at least not there. If we could find it, so could she. [/*]

I thought it said .......sisco.......also if you put your cursor over his picture it says.............3face_normal.....any ideas anyone? Usually when you post a picture of yourself such as he did you attach a jpg pic and name it.......and thats the name he has attach to that picture.

isitme

03-06-2008, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Beth

Remembered it. [/*]

That's what I thought too but was too lazy to go look for that information. Thanks.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

He does really good work that I have seem. I also saw on a blog he was posting on and they were saying Quark is being eliminated. He was talking about using Indesign and that kind of surprised me. I thought only an unexperienced person like my group used InDesign. [/*]

No, InDesign is all the rage IME and if you know how to use it well, you can command the big bucks.

huskiki

03-06-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

I thought it said .......sisco.......also if you put your cursor over his picture it says.............3face_normal.....any ideas anyone? Usually when you post a picture of yourself such as he did you attach a jpg pic and name it.......and thats the name he has attach to that picture. [/*]

I saw both names, I thought sisco was a post of his. :shrug:

Danette44

03-06-2008, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I saw both names, I thought sisco was a post of his. :shrug: [/*]

hmmmmm I thought sisco was the name he would post under.......I don't know, I'm so confused at this point, they both sure enjoyed the internet.......jmoo

K Anne

03-06-2008, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by n/t

But he did put his real name otherwise how would people find all this info about him on these websites?

When I google my name, I don't find anything. I must have a boring life or maybe I'm not hip. :( [/*]

Not him, n/t; I was responding to this part of the previous post:

"i think that some of the "names" of the people on her comments section on etsy are just weird too."

I don't find my name either, but it doesn't mean you're boring. It means you're PRIVATE. IMO that's a good thing.

Danette44

03-06-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by Envision
All that time on the internet, when did they actually care for the kids? [/*]

Maybe I didn't word that right Envision - she worked on the internet doing her sales, he worked all day doing his designs, and seems he found time during working hrs to .......im......and she found time to be in chatrooms.......but, then I am quilty also coming into Trutv during working hrs.....lol So that wasn't a fair statement I made.......sorry

desmom

03-06-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Isn't it fun?! I'm thinking because it was found so easily by us then he wouldn't be hiding anything there because Christine could have found it just as easily. [/*]

IF he was wanting to hide something, he could have posted on a private board.

jmo

huskiki

03-06-2008, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by desmom

IF he was wanting to hide something, he could have posted on a private board.

jmo [/*]

I agree. He would know how to hide on the internet with his background.

I'm still trying to find the picture of their house with the 2 cars in the carport. One was a Subaru and the other was his red car. I know I saw it somewhere, I remember the landscaping in the front of the house was really nice. ugh Why can't I find it? LOL

huskiki

03-06-2008, 10:53 PM

I found it!!! But I'm not sure if that's Nicholas' red car. Anyone??

The link doesn't work ...UGH!

desmom

03-06-2008, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I agree. He would know how to hide on the internet with his background.

I'm still trying to find the picture of their house with the 2 cars in the carport. One was a Subaru and the other was his red car. I know I saw it somewhere, I remember the landscaping in the front of the house was really nice. ugh Why can't I find it? LOL [/*]

This one:

http://thefranciscos.com/2006/11/27/our-house/

huskiki

03-06-2008, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by desmom

This one:

http://thefranciscos.com/2006/11/27/our-house/ [/*]

Yes, Thank You!!!

huskiki

03-06-2008, 10:58 PM

The whole reason I was looking for that picture was because hours and pages ago someone was wondering if Christine had a car. I remembered this photo but could only find the one with the Jeep and the Subaru in it. Now I can go to bed. LOL

desmom

03-06-2008, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by need2no
I've posted a poll on the main page if anyone is interesting in voting. I wanted to include walked but met with foul play as an option but the poll only allows 5 choices. If anyone thinks this may have happened you can mark other and explain in your post.

I hope everyone will go to the poll and vote. It will be interesting to see what the majority here are thinking.

TIA [/*]

For those that may have missed this earlier. The poll can be found at:
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=325955

Silver_Dove

03-06-2008, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by desmom

IF he was wanting to hide something, he could have posted on a private board.

jmo [/*]

Wouldn't even have to be private boards. Unless someone is stopping ips there is nothing to stop someone from making dozens of email accounts and using them with different names that no one knows. He has had at least two handles we have found Sisco and what ever the name of his shop is. Who knows what others he might have and where.

truecrimejunkie

03-06-2008, 11:10 PM

Christine added another point to her facts:

www.thefranciscos.com

Danette44

03-06-2008, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by Envision

My son is the same age as Nicholas. I didn't get on the internet until he was almost out of high school. He doesn't even use his computer too much. Perhaps it's a good thing we didn't get addicted to online stuff. [/*]

Heck I was an accountant for the gov. and we didn't start using computers til 85....lol I was like....ugh, I rather do it manually thank you.......Now we are all spoiled! Christine and Nicholas sure seem to know their way around the internet.......this case really baffles me. This statement Christine made, makes me sit back and try to figure why she would even say......There is no trace of him left.......the word "left", why would you use that word?? Her home alone should have alot of traces of him left.....I know I'm probably reading to much into that statement......lol jmoo

He is gone. That's all I know. He just vanished. There is something wrong, I just don't know what it is," Christine Francisco said. "There is no trace of him left."

mc528

03-06-2008, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie
Christine added another point to her facts:

www.thefranciscos.com [/*]

Looks like she added two points.....one about the iPhone, and another regarding the donations.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

No, no ...perhaps we can share it between us :beer: [/*]

:beer: I'll drink that that! :D

field of snow

03-06-2008, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by mc528

Looks like she added two points.....one about the iPhone, and another regarding the donations. [/*]

She apparently hasn't read far enough to know we figured it out. (errr...my fault)

Nellie

03-06-2008, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
as usual red flags again this is a quote from her recent post..

"I do after all have a house to pay for and two kids to provide for not to mention my unborn baby to care for as well. As for my businesses they bring in enough to recoup costs and pay for needed supplies like fabric. so no my businesses cannot in anyway support me or my kids."

I, MY, MY, My MY.....what happened to NF. does he not fit into her picture anymore? It sounds like she knows he is not comming back, dead or alive...IMO,MOO,JMO [/*]

I think she's always known...
So now I wonder how long she thinks other people will financially support her. The way she puts it....it sounds like she has a sense of entitlement. Like, "poor me....I have a house to pay for and kids to take care of, so you need to help me..."...it's too much of a DEMAND for help for me....kinda like it's everyone else's responsibility, like it's "owed" to her.

Christine, you are obviously reading these boards to see what people are asking but instead of posting on them like you did in the beginning, you are adding to your own blog to answer any questions that come up. So, once again, I will say this. You yourself put out the word that you were in "desperate need of money". You told this to someone. This is why all of the desperate appeals for money went out to you. So, in a way, you did ask for money. JMO

Nellie

03-06-2008, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Didn't someone post an Etsy link earlier wherein some other Etsy person had posted invitation to donate after having talked to CF's *sister* who said help was desperately needed? That's a couple of mouths away from the horse's mouth.

Did CF herself come out immediately and ask Etsy for money? If so, provide link. Maybe this type of info or direct quote could go into the What We Now thread too. [/*]

How does anyone KNOW it was her sister, if it was over the phone?

Nellie

03-06-2008, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i have been thinking about the subject of him having an affair with a man or woman, and it came to me,

when would he ever be able to get out of the watchful **** eyes of C, to be able to have an affair...unless it was an online contact, that led to wanting an affair and he went for it.... [/*]

Many affairs come from the internet. He was definately an internet type of guy. I've always speculated that he met someone on the internet and is with them now. At least if he is that would mean he's safe.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by Beth
She still sounds so angry. MOO [/*]

Too angry. But angry at the wrong people! She's more angry with us than she is the people/person who took Nicholas away from her. After all, she believes he met with foul play. Looks like at least some of her anger should be turned toward that person but I've never seen it....

field of snow

03-06-2008, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i have been thinking about the subject of him having an affair with a man or woman, and it came to me,

when would he ever be able to get out of the watchful **** eyes of C, to be able to have an affair...unless it was an online contact, that led to wanting an affair and he went for it.... [/*]

If you saw some of his comments on Twitter, the poor guy (should I put that in quotes?) had to work weekends sometimes.

I've seen enough internet afffairs. You don't need much. As matter of fact, the male/male affairs barely needed any time. I won't go into details i've been told in these situations.

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by snowfield

She apparently hasn't read far enough to know we figured it out. (errr...my fault) [/*]

Oh, my guess is she DID read that far. I get the feeling she is probably reading pretty much every post.

I myself do not find the little updates on her blog very informative in terms of "the facts". But that's just me. The thing about "I never asked for money" just rubs me the wrong way, because her sister sure did come on and say she was in "desperate need".

Danette44

03-06-2008, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
as usual red flags again this is a quote from her recent post..

"I do after all have a house to pay for and two kids to provide for not to mention my unborn baby to care for as well. As for my businesses they bring in enough to recoup costs and pay for needed supplies like fabric. so no my businesses cannot in anyway support me or my kids."

I, MY, MY, My MY.....what happened to NF. does he not fit into her picture anymore? It sounds like she knows he is not comming back, dead or alive...IMO,MOO,JMO [/*]

Hi Hippiegirl :seeya:

She can't stand it - she has to read here and over at webslueth and then make comments. Why does she need to defend herself so much? We are not bad over here, but she doesn't want to listen to any idea's from people. In the begining we had invite her to join us here and all she could say is shut up you don't know anything.

How do we know Nicholas didn't make it home that night, we just have her word for it. Women can be just as evil as men.......and no I won't go there......was it need2no say he would be home by March 23rd? Lets hope so.....our prayers are with you Nicholas.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 11:36 PM

She also removed the part about his salary....you know, the part that was nobody's business and about being promoted to an Art Director. Interesting.....

Nellie

03-06-2008, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by Beth
What if she knows the person who took him away from her? [/*]

She should be angry with them/her/him.... not us.

HarlettOhara

03-06-2008, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
Does anyone remember when we were discussing Christine's interview and how she made reference to his car ...how many days back was that? LOL I know I posted a link to a picture of their house with 2 cars, I didn't think it was the one with the Jeep but maybe it was. sigh Anyway, I think the Subaru was/is hers. I can't imagine a stay at home mom without wheels. [/*]

I don't know if anyone has answered your question about the cars or not yet, here is a link to the pix

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2562

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Hi Hippiegirl :seeya:

She can't stand it - she has to read here and over at webslueth and then make comments. Why does she need to defend herself so much? We are not bad over here, but she doesn't want to listen to any idea's from people. In the begining we had invite her to join us here and all she could say is shut up you don't know anything.

How do we know Nicholas didn't make it home that night, we just have her word for it. Women can be just as evil as men.......and no I won't go there......was it need2no say he would be home by March 23rd? Lets hope so.....our prayers are with you Nicholas. [/*]

oh that was me... I thought if they were doing some sort of scam, then Easter Sunday would be a good day to rise from the dead so to speak. (And honestly, no disrespect meant!) My prayers are with all of them. I really don't have the sense that Nicholas is "gone" from this earth, but the way Christine talks, with the ME/MY as mentioned, it does seem like *she's* not planning on seeing him again.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Oh, my guess is she DID read that far. I get the feeling she is probably reading pretty much every post.

I myself do not find the little updates on her blog very informative in terms of "the facts". But that's just me. The thing about "I never asked for money" just rubs me the wrong way, because her sister sure did come on and say she was in "desperate need". [/*]

I think her sister does that for a living (raises funds or works with non-profits?.).

And speaking of her...many posts ago, many days ago, I suggested that in searches for dead climbers and missing climbers, nobody ever gives up actively searching and rescuing. Well, apparently her sister has experience with this herself....She wasn't injured, but other climbers died:
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_071105WABclimbingaxLJ.960a6247.html

http://americasroof.com/wp/archives/2005/07/12/3-fatalities-on-sharkfin-tower-in-worst-accident-in-mountaineers-history/
I just thought that was ironic given my comment earlier.

Danette44

03-06-2008, 11:44 PM

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

How does anyone KNOW it was her sister, if it was over the phone? [/*]

Well with all the times it's been mentioned, I would hope that if it really WASN'T her sister Janell as reported widely on Etsy, that Christine would address that -- not only on her own blog, but right there on Etsy too. Hearing from someone's sister "They're in desperate need" and then also I think it was the sister who supposedly said which stores they like to shop at if people want to get gift cards (Target, Kohl's etc), comes off pretty serious.

Does anyone know if Christine's sister is an Etsy member? Since we're throwing around various theories, what if her sister and her are actually responsible for the scam?

Just a thought...

Nellie

03-06-2008, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Oh, my guess is she DID read that far. I get the feeling she is probably reading pretty much every post.

I myself do not find the little updates on her blog very informative in terms of "the facts". But that's just me. The thing about "I never asked for money" just rubs me the wrong way, because her sister sure did come on and say she was in "desperate need". [/*]

Her whole fact sheet bothers me. It is only a way to defend anything she might read on a discussion board that she doesn't like.

Just the fact she finds it necesssary to use her energy to answer what people are saying on discussion boards bothers me.
If she doesn't have the time/energy to work her business and she's unable to function....then I can't imagine having the time/energy to run all over the internet and answer points brought up on discussion boards. My advice would be to stay away from discussion boards. I think it would be in her best interest. I feel bad for her but then she comes across so defensive and it does her no good.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Well with all the times it's been mentioned, I would hope that if it really WASN'T her sister Janell as reported widely on Etsy, that Christine would address that -- not only on her own blog, but right there on Etsy too. Hearing from someone's sister "They're in desperate need" and then also I think it was the sister who supposedly said which stores they like to shop at if people want to get gift cards (Target, Kohl's etc), comes off pretty serious.

Does anyone know if Christine's sister is an Etsy member? Since we're throwing around various theories, what if her sister and her are actually responsible for the scam?

Just a thought... [/*]

What if SHE posed as her sister? It could happen if you are only talking to someone on the phone or email. I had a lady pretend to be her daughter once in emails. I busted her. That's why I ask how anyone knows for sure it was her sister they were talking to??? I actually wonder if her family knows anything at all about the Etsy community. How would anyone at Etsy know who her sister is to contact her??? They might....but I just wondered.

isitme

03-06-2008, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Nellie
She also removed the part about his salary....you know, the part that was nobody's business and about being promoted to an Art Director. Interesting..... [/*]

She did?

I just read it and saw the post about his salary - just above the recent one about her not asking for money.

AND, even though I recognixe it is her site so she can do with it as she wants, and she has said it is for the "facts" of the case, would be too much of a strain for her to thank the people that have donated????? I mean, was she not ever taught how to be polite, grateful and gracious????

need2no

03-06-2008, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Heck I was an accountant for the gov. and we didn't start using computers til 85....lol I was like....ugh, I rather do it manually thank you.......Now we are all spoiled! Christine and Nicholas sure seem to know their way around the internet.......this case really baffles me. This statement Christine made, makes me sit back and try to figure why she would even say......There is no trace of him left.......the word "left", why would you use that word?? Her home alone should have alot of traces of him left.....I know I'm probably reading to much into that statement......lol jmoo

He is gone. That's all I know. He just vanished. There is something wrong, I just don't know what it is," Christine Francisco said. "There is no trace of him left." [/*]

I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one bugged by that comment.
In fact I get creeped out when I read it because he sounds like he will never be found. Perhaps like something Melanie McGuire might have thought after killing and dismembering her hubby's body, putting it in suitcases and tossing them in the Chesapeake Bay....there is no trace of him left. :eek:

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Her whole fact sheet bothers me. It is only a way to defend anything she might read on a discussion board that she doesn't like.

Just the fact she finds it necesssary to use her energy to answer what people are saying on discussion boards bothers me.
If she doesn't have the time/energy to work her business and she's unable to function....then I can't imagine having the time/energy to run all over the internet and answer points brought up on discussion boards. My advice would be to stay away from discussion boards. I think it would be in her best interest. I feel bad for her but then she comes across so defensive and it does her no good. [/*]

I agree. It does make me wonder what kind of real "support" she has around her. I would think people who truly care about her would be trying to distract her from all of this, helping her get professional help even, if that's needed. I mean what is she trying to defend? Her good name? Her good marriage? Her fundraising efforts? What difference does it make if we are trying to figure out various possibilities? Personally I think if she believes he's dead, she should spend some money on a PI to find his body, or she is going to have a pretty tough time, especially when the contributions dry up. Though as someone said, she might be able to keep it going for awhile. But 7 years? That's pretty extreme.

I don't think she thinks he's dead though. Just gone.

mc528

03-06-2008, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Christine's entire attitude is rotten to me. Before you jump my bones, I do understand that she has to be under lots of stress and I know not everyone handles things in the same way. But never does she sound "beaten down" or "depressed." She sounds angry, just like from the beginning.

She's mad that people have things wrong and she's sick of it. Why not say, "I appreciate everyone's interest in Nicholas and in finding him. There are a few facts I need to make clear so that finding him will be easier. " Mentioning the donations, you would think she would be humbled by all the money and gift cards, etc., that have poured in. How about a "thank you for your generous giving....I hope one day I can help you if happen to be in this type of situation. I'll do my best to earn what I can for my family, but in the mean time, I really appreciate all you've done." NO, nothing like this is ever mentioned. She does have a real sense of entitlement and it is quite off-putting. Of course, that doesn't mean she's guilty of anything.... [/*]

I agree, IMO anger is the predominate emotion showing through, and I think the anger seems to be mis-directed. Since she has been adament that NF met with foul play, she should be directing her anger towards the person or persons responsible for that, not to the folks on these boards trying to brainstorm what could have happened. And also IMO, a little humility might go a long way in helping folks to not be quite that suspicious and critical of her behavior. JMO/MOO

Nellie

03-06-2008, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by isitme

She did?

I just read it and saw the post about his salary - just above the recent one about her not asking for money.

AND, even though I recognixe it is her site so she can do with it as she wants, and she has said it is for the "facts" of the case, would be too much of a strain for her to thank the people that have donated????? I mean, was she not ever taught how to be polite, grateful and gracious???? [/*]

My mistake...sorry guys..I see it now!
OOPS...forgive me!

need2no

03-06-2008, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

What is SHE posed as her sister? It could happen if you are only talking to someone on the phone or email. I had a lady pretend to be her daughter once in emails. I busted her. That's why I ask how anyone knows for sure it was her sister they were talking to??? I actually wonder if her family knows anything at all about the Etsy community. How would anyone at Etsy know who her sister is to contact her??? They might....but I just wondered. [/*]

I'm going with the SHE posed as her sister...don't want to personally sound greedy, best if someone else asks for donations for me. I also think Christine sees herself as smarter than most people and fully expects others to buy what she is selling...and I don't mean aprons or face scrub. ;) YKWIM?

Danette44

03-06-2008, 11:54 PM

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by snowfield

I think her sister does that for a living (raises funds or works with non-profits?.).

And speaking of her...many posts ago, many days ago, I suggested that in searches for dead climbers and missing climbers, nobody ever gives up actively searching and rescuing. Well, apparently her sister has experience with this herself....She wasn't injured, but other climbers died:
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_071105WABclimbingaxLJ.960a6247.html

http://americasroof.com/wp/archives/2005/07/12/3-fatalities-on-sharkfin-tower-in-worst-accident-in-mountaineers-history/
I just thought that was ironic given my comment earlier. [/*]

Wow, that's an interesting find! Great sleuthing! (And now I think I will know how to spell Janel's name right finally!)

decor

03-06-2008, 11:57 PM

I see that there is no news on Nick so everyone is bored again and ripping Christine to shreds again.
:shrug:

Nellie

03-07-2008, 12:02 AM

I better go get a life....

Musterion

03-07-2008, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
as usual red flags again this is a quote from her recent post..

"I do after all have a house to pay for and two kids to provide for not to mention my unborn baby to care for as well. As for my businesses they bring in enough to recoup costs and pay for needed supplies like fabric. so no my businesses cannot in anyway support me or my kids."

I, MY, MY, My, ME, MY.....what happened to NF. does he not fit into her picture anymore? It sounds like she knows he is not comming back, dead or alive...IMO,MOO,JMO [/*]

It sounds like ninety per cent of Christine's post is not about Christine. It sounds like she is talking about Nicholas. And answering questions about him. That is what it seems like many on here have wanted from her.

Sometimes fear comes out sounding like anger. Sometimes being in the middle of a nightmare is so scary that when you feel you have to give account for every single action or word, or lack of words, defenses might go up and anger might come out. This would not seem to be unusual in light of the circumstances. IMO.

Danette44

03-07-2008, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by decor
I see that there is no news on Nick so everyone is bored again and ripping Christine to shreds again.
:shrug: [/*]

No one is shredding her apart........just voicing opinons......it seems hard for you to come over here and read this stuff.........not wanting you to leave but maybe it would be alot easier on you if you went on her thread .

Aman never has a fair chance in heii when the wife goes missing and we do exact same thing to him, voice our opinon's and lowandbehold sometime they joins us. jmoo

need2no

03-07-2008, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by hippiegirl

chills went down my spine when i read that comment about nothing being left of him...it made me wonder if there really ISN"T anything left of him.....

i have so much on my mind about this....when i start thinking about it i get mad.....and i can't type when i'm mad..... [/*]

I know what you mean.

I also think Christine needs to hire sherryhefner as her PR person.

Nellie

03-07-2008, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
the post her sister made about the need for money, was made less than 5 minutes before C made her plea for money...not in those words, but it was evident what she was wanting....

the time line for those 2 posts, on 2 different threads, would mean they were pretty much typing at the exact time.........

am i allowed to copy and paste those 2 posts here? [/*]

I'd like to see which 2 posts you are referring to...

mc528

03-07-2008, 12:09 AM

need2no

03-07-2008, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

Ummmm, Thank you need2no (I think)....:D [/*]

You're welcome.

I think the lovely way you stated it is just the way most humble and appreciative people in a crisis would speak.

Pam

03-07-2008, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by need2no

I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one bugged by that comment.
In fact I get creeped out when I read it because he sounds like he will never be found. Perhaps like something Melanie McGuire might have thought after killing and dismembering her hubby's body, putting it in suitcases and tossing them in the Chesapeake Bay....there is no trace of him left. :eek: [/*]

For some reason, every time I read that comment it sends chills up my spine. Don't know why...but it's just an odd remark to make.

decor

03-07-2008, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Danette44

No one is shredding her apart........just voicing opinons......it seems hard for you to come over here and read this stuff.........not wanting you to leave but maybe it would be alot easier on you if you went on her thread .

Aman never has a fair chance in heii when the wife goes missing and we do exact same thing to him, voice our opinon's and lowandbehold sometime they joins us. jmoo [/*]

I love when people think they know what is better for someone else.

decor

03-07-2008, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by hippiegirl

with all due respect, she sounds angry that we are using our minds, to try and figure this out, and she just gets defensive, and you know what that is a sign of....

she is getting heat because of the attitude and anger and defensive actions....and, she actually comes off as being mean spirited.....i don't know her, maybe she's not that way at all, but that is the way she is being percieved...sp?

it sounds like she has given up ever seeing NF again, but we are not....what reason would she have to think he is gone forever...i think that is where the mystery starts.....

i suppose she would rather we put our energy in candles, prayer, and donations....

if it were me, i would be grateful to have both groups that are trying to help, each in their own way.....

LE might be reading this thread, and getting ideas, PI might be reading, and no telling who else....so this is all good....

the thread she posts on is giving her prayers, hope, and, yes money to help her out...during these first few weeks.... that is all good

IMO, MOO, JMO, and with no intent to hurt or discredit anyone personally [/*]

I think she is angry because she had enough to worry about with Nick missing. I think she is angry because people presume to know her and her motives and have done nothing but rip her apart.
Nick has been missing for 3 weeks and one day. what facts have you come up with about Christine that shows her involvement in this disappearance? or anything for that matter.

field of snow

03-07-2008, 12:45 AM

Well. We were doing pretty well for awhile with open talk.

K Anne

03-07-2008, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Nellie
Originally posted by K Anne

Didn't someone post an Etsy link earlier wherein some other Etsy person had posted invitation to donate after having talked to CF's *sister* who said help was desperately needed? That's a couple of mouths away from the horse's mouth.

Did CF herself come out immediately and ask Etsy for money? If so, provide link. Maybe this type of info or direct quote could go into the What We Now thread too. [/*]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

How does anyone KNOW it was her sister, if it was over the phone? [/*]

Huh? The iPhone? :no: I didn't say phone. For all I know, whoever talked to her sister talked to her in person.

I'm not sure I'll keep posting here if you folks don't knock it off with challenging Christine. I don't think she's guilty or deserves what you're dishing out, nor that it's appropriate conduct even in a crime thread. And I know too that you probably don't care about that, but I figured I'd say it anyway.

Silver_Dove

03-07-2008, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by decor

I think she is angry because she had enough to worry about with Nick missing. I think she is angry because people presume to know her and her motives and have done nothing but rip her apart.
Nick has been missing for 3 weeks and one day. what facts have you come up with about Christine that shows her involvement in this disappearance? or anything for that matter. [/*]

Maybe if she is angry at what is written here she could not read it. Trying to figure this out doesn't mean just saying foul play and leaving it at that, it is looking at all the parts. She is part of this one way or the other. As I understand this board it is a crime board not a support Chistine board.

No one is trying to rip her apart they are just looking at her and her husbands behavior to see if they can find anything. It is totally possible that he left on his own and it has to do with her behavior. Doesn't make him nice but might explain things.

decor

03-07-2008, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by snowfield
Well. We were doing pretty well for awhile with open talk. [/*]

I think it was more like bashing Christine.

need2no

03-07-2008, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by snowfield
Well. We were doing pretty well for awhile with open talk. [/*]

I guess all good things must come to an end.....NAH. :)

K Anne

03-07-2008, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Oh, my guess is she DID read that far. I get the feeling she is probably reading pretty much every post.

I myself do not find the little updates on her blog very informative in terms of "the facts". But that's just me. The thing about "I never asked for money" just rubs me the wrong way, because her sister sure did come on and say she was in "desperate need". [/*]

Her sister came on here and said that? Are you talking about the Etsy stuff? Have you folks *read* the Etsy stuff? IIRC, it was SOMEONE WHO HAD TALKED TO HER SISTER. It wasn't CF. It wasn't her sister. It was someone who talked to her sister.

CF told 2 friends, and they told 2 friends, and so on and so on and so on, more or less. Is that not the case? CF did not ask for money. STOP SAYING IT.

field of snow

03-07-2008, 12:55 AM

Nobody talked to her in person. Someone in Ohio called there and Janel, the sister, answer the phone at CF's house.

As for whether this is regular on the crime board. Go visit any of the threads where a wife/gf is missing. Oh of course, the men are always guilty of something. Stats after all...:(

Originally posted by K Anne

Huh? The iPhone? :no: I didn't say phone. For all I know, whoever talked to her sister talked to her in person.

I'm not sure I'll keep posting here if you folks don't knock it off with challenging Christine. I don't think she's guilty or deserves what you're dishing out, nor that it's appropriate conduct even in a crime thread. And I know too that you probably don't care about that, but I figured I'd say it anyway. [/*]

decor

03-07-2008, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

Maybe if she is angry at what is written here she could not read it. Trying to figure this out doesn't mean just saying foul play and leaving it at that, it is looking at all the parts. She is part of this one way or the other. As I understand this board it is a crime board not a support Chistine board.

No one is trying to rip her apart they are just looking at her and her husbands behavior to see if they can find anything. It is totally possible that he left on his own and it has to do with her behavior. Doesn't make him nice but might explain things. [/*]

not true at all. go back and read some of these posts and insert your own name everywhere Christine's is mentioned and see what you would feel like especially if you knew they weren't true.

Isn't it strange that if she is accused by the police of doing something then she has the right to defend herself but she has no right to defend herself against all that bash her here. Every time she tried to defend herself you come up with another reason why she must be guilty of something.

since everyone is doing so much talking about her exactly what is that everyone is looking for from her to be guilty of?

Nellie

03-07-2008, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by K Anne

Huh? The iPhone? :no: I didn't say phone. For all I know, whoever talked to her sister talked to her in person.

I'm not sure I'll keep posting here if you folks don't knock it off with challenging Christine. I don't think she's guilty or deserves what you're dishing out, nor that it's appropriate conduct even in a crime thread. And I know too that you probably don't care about that, but I figured I'd say it anyway. [/*]

I never said anything about an iPhone. I have no idea if these people talked to her over email, the phone, or in person. But, I was suggesting that if it was via email or the phone, then a person cannot know for sure who they were talking to and I still stand by that. It was an observation....that's all.

If you're not comfortable posting here you don't have to continue.
For the record, I don't think she's guilty of Nicholas' dissappearance and if he took off on his own, then she has a lot on her plate and for that I feel badly for her. But one day the donations will dry up and she will need a better plan for survival.

These same kinds of questions come up when a wife goes missing...even worse.

At this point there is no indication of any crime being committed.
Any scenarios are speculation...even Christine's scenario of foul play. I truly do hope she's wrong.

K Anne

03-07-2008, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
Christine, with all due respect?

you know what happened....

and you know what is going to happen...

please stop this charade now, before you get in too deep, and you loose everything too!!

you know you can't affored to keep that house, and all that goes with the upkeep of a house, on your etsy income.

you will either have to get a job, or go live with your family or your inlaws.....unless you are planning to meet up with NF...in the future, and start a new life.....bills paid, money in your pocket, is that it??

as much as some people would like to, they can't support you for ever..and you don't sound like you have any plans to get money to support you, in any other way than donations....they won't last forever....you basically said it in your own words in your last post.....I wonder who the coward is.......

MOO, IMO, JMO [/*]

hippie I'm sorry but I am reporting this sh*t. That is a rotten unproductive post.

field of snow

03-07-2008, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by decor

since everyone is doing so much talking about her exactly what is that everyone is looking for from her to be guilty of? [/*]

Quite simply (MOO), wasting the time of LE, friends, family and strangers searching for someone who did not meet foulplay.

desmom

03-07-2008, 01:01 AM

I have been around sleuthing boards for a couple of years and they can become intense. I do not think the posts are meant to inflict pain on the victim's family, but I can see where some of the things that are discussed can be painful.

Everything that is said by the family and LE, the family's mannerisms, the family's activities or lack of activities etc are looked at right side up, upside down and inside out by sleuths.

I am sure it is difficult for her to avoid the sleuthing boards. I do not think anyone on this board believes she was involved in Nicholas' disappearance. I think we all want the same thing - for Nicholas to be found safe.

Will I stop following investigations? No because you never know when one of us is going to take that little piece and turn it right side up, upside down or inside out and stumble on to that missing piece of the puzzle.

jmo

Silver_Dove

03-07-2008, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by decor

not true at all. go back and read some of these posts and insert your own name everywhere Christine's is mentioned and see what you would feel like especially if you knew they weren't true.

Isn't it strange that if she is accused by the police of doing something then she has the right to defend herself but she has no right to defend herself against all that bash her here. Every time she tried to defend herself you come up with another reason why she must be guilty of something.

since everyone is doing so much talking about her exactly what is that everyone is looking for from her to be guilty of? [/*]

This is the internet and this is a crime board. It isn't a support Christine board. She is a part of it and what people do is look for information about them. Remember in any missing person case the first person looked at is the partner. Also if the police accused her of something they would take apart her defense even worse then here. Thing is if he just walk off on his own they really don't care so they aren't trying to figure out if he might have a reason to leave because of her behavior. They will just check what they can and then send if off to cold missing person cases.

decor

03-07-2008, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

I never said anything about an iPhone. I have no idea if these people talked to her over email, the phone, or in person. But, I was suggesting that if it was via email or the phone, then a person cannot know for sure who they were talking to and I still stand by that. It was an observation....that's all.

If you're not comfortable posting here you don't have to continue.
For the record, I don't think she's guilty of Nicholas' dissappearance and if he took off on his own, then she has a lot on her plate and for that I feel badly for her. But one day the donations will dry up and she will need a better plan for survival.

These same kinds of questions come up when a wife goes missing...even worse.

At this point there is no indication of any crime being committed.
Any scenarios are speculation...even Christine's scenario of foul play. I truly do hope she's wrong. [/*]

so I thought this was a thread about the disappearance of Nick.

am I mistaken?
is it a thread about Christine and all the things she has done wrong? how she is going to live on donations? what kind of personality she has? where her kids came from? how she shouldn't be trying to defend herself? what the people here feel she is and isn't allowed to do? what she is and isn't allowed to say?

if this thread is about Christine then you are right I don't want to be here but I swore the title of the thread was the disappearance of NICHOLAS.

Nellie

03-07-2008, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by K Anne

Her sister came on here and said that? Are you talking about the Etsy stuff? Have you folks *read* the Etsy stuff? IIRC, it was SOMEONE WHO HAD TALKED TO HER SISTER. It wasn't CF. It wasn't her sister. It was someone who talked to her sister.

CF told 2 friends, and they told 2 friends, and so on and so on and so on, more or less. Is that not the case? CF did not ask for money. STOP SAYING IT. [/*]

Ok, just so I get it straight...
Someone from Etsy talked to her sister and asked what they could do to help and her sister said, "She desperately needs money". Is that the way it was? Then that person took it second-hand from the sister to the Etsy board and put it out that she desperately needed money. Is that right? So, how did the sister know she needed money desperately if Christine had not indicated that? I guess my thinking was that just 2-3 days after he came up missing and someone asks "what can we do to help", an answer might be "Please pray for him and put up posters and help us search if you live in the area". I guess I was just surprised at the cries for money so fast. It would have set better with me after a a few weeks or a month. Being among the first thoughts was bothersome for me. Sorry.

Yes I did read the Etsy forum.
It all looked very familiar to me. I've been down that road before and know how it happens and it's usually not the person asking directly...but someone asking on behalf of that person.

field of snow

03-07-2008, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
that's ok "K" when i get upset, i tend to say more than i should, i am sorry if i offeneded anyone.....this all hits too close to home for me...... [/*]

Oh you're fine.

At this point, it might be best to not react to them.

decor

03-07-2008, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by desmom
I have been around sleuthing boards for a couple of years and they can become intense. I do not think the posts are meant to inflict pain on the victim's family, but I can see where some of the things that are discussed can be painful.

Everything that is said by the family and LE, the family's mannerisms, the family's activities or lack of activities etc are looked at right side up, upside down and inside out by sleuths.

I am sure it is difficult for her to avoid the sleuthing boards. I do not think anyone on this board believes she was involved in Nicholas' disappearance. I think we all want the same thing - for Nicholas to be found safe.

Will I stop following investigations? No because you never know when one of us is going to take that little piece and turn it right side up, upside down or inside out and stumble on to that missing piece of the puzzle.

jmo [/*]

but there is a way to discuss this without bashing anyone. discussing facts.
discussing possibilities.

and unless someone actually suspects Christine of doing her husband in then there is no reason to tear Christine apart.

Nellie

03-07-2008, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by decor

so I thought this was a thread about the disappearance of Nick.

am I mistaken?
is it a thread about Christine and all the things she has done wrong? how she is going to live on donations? what kind of personality she has? where her kids came from? how she shouldn't be trying to defend herself? what the people here feel she is and isn't allowed to do? what she is and isn't allowed to say?

if this thread is about Christine then you are right I don't want to be here but I swore the title of the thread was the disappearance of NICHOLAS. [/*]

Where one ends, the other begins.....

Nellie

03-07-2008, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by decor

but there is a way to discuss this without bashing anyone. discussing facts.
discussing possibilities.

and unless someone actually suspects Christine of doing her husband in then there is no reason to tear Christine apart. [/*]

decor, when you first came on this forum you said you thought there was more to this case. What did you mean by that?

Musterion

03-07-2008, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by hippiegirl

with all due respect, she sounds angry that we are using our minds, to try and figure this out, and she just gets defensive, and you know what that is a sign of....

she is getting heat because of the attitude and anger and defensive actions....and, she actually comes off as being mean spirited.....i don't know her, maybe she's not that way at all, but that is the way she is being percieved...sp?

it sounds like she has given up ever seeing NF again, but we are not....what reason would she have to think he is gone forever...i think that is where the mystery starts.....

i suppose she would rather we put our energy in candles, prayer, and donations....

if it were me, i would be grateful to have both groups that are trying to help, each in their own way.....

LE might be reading this thread, and getting ideas, PI might be reading, and no telling who else....so this is all good....

the thread she posts on is giving her prayers, hope, and, yes money to help her out...during these first few weeks.... that is all good

IMO, MOO, JMO, and with no intent to hurt or discredit anyone personally [/*]

Christine has gone on tv, radio and given newspaper interviews. She has asked for help to find Nicholas. I don't believe it is the help that she is angry about.

Maybe it is the way that some of the help is being given.

Maybe it is the way things are stated about her that upset her. Even under the banner of IMO, MOO, JMO, there are innuendos and comments made about her that would provoke even the gentlest of people. IMO.

Nellie

03-07-2008, 01:10 AM

I am getting tired and this is just beating a dead horse.
Goodnight everyone.
Pray that Nicholas is found soon.
Pray that Christine can find peace in her life and her needs are met.

:seeya:

Silver_Dove

03-07-2008, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by decor

but there is a way to discuss this without bashing anyone. discussing facts.
discussing possibilities.

and unless someone actually suspects Christine of doing her husband in then there is no reason to tear Christine apart. [/*]

What about if we suspect that she was the cause of her husband leaving? At the moment there appears to be more evidence for this then for foul play.

decor

03-07-2008, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by snowfield

Quite simply (MOO), wasting the time of LE, friends, family and strangers searching for someone who did not meet foulplay. [/*]

she said she thought there may have been foul play. Is LE going on that presumption just because Christine said it?

got proof that Christine is wasting peoples time? that she knows and has known every aspect of this case and knows where Nick is and has held it back?

isitme

03-07-2008, 01:12 AM

I have two questions for those that get riled up when things appear to be going against CF:

!. Do any of you KNOW her personally?

2. Could one of you be CF?

need2no

03-07-2008, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by K Anne

hippie I'm sorry but I am reporting this sh*t. That is a rotten unproductive post. [/*]

Perhaps it would have been best for you not to quote this post if you find it to be an unproductive post.

desmom

03-07-2008, 01:14 AM

IMO, people's hinky meters went off when she announced in an interview they were broke and her sister reported to someone at Etsy they were in a bad way financially within days of a couple days of Nicholas disappearance.

People started speculating that he walked and she knew he walked because of some of things she said in interviews and the comments about their financial situation...

jmo

Silver_Dove

03-07-2008, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by isitme
I have two questions for those that get riled up when things appear to be going against CF:

!. Do any of you KNOW her personally?

2. Could one of you be CF? [/*]

3. Did any of you come here to support CF?

need2no

03-07-2008, 01:14 AM

decor

03-07-2008, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

What about if we suspect that she was the cause of her husband leaving? At the moment there appears to be more evidence for this then for foul play. [/*]

then it could be said like this.

her behavior makes me believe that her husband may have left on his own because he no longer wanted to be with her.

this says exactly what all of the bashing her says without bashing her. there is no need to try and analyze her to death, and does no good anyway.

we don't know her, can only analyze her from the little bit people know of her from the internet.

would you like someone to analyze you, diagnose you, and judge you solely from what they find on the internet about you?

desmom

03-07-2008, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by Nellie
I am getting tired and this is just beating a dead horse.
Goodnight everyone.
Pray that Nicholas is found soon.
Pray that Christine can find peace in her life and her needs are met.

:seeya: [/*]

Night Nellie

I'm right behind. Last one out, please lock up.

:seeya:

isitme

03-07-2008, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by decor

then it could be said like this.

her behavior makes me believe that her husband may have left on his own because he no longer wanted to be with her.

this says exactly what all of the bashing her says without bashing her. there is no need to try and analyze her to death, and does no good anyway.

we don't know her, can only analyze her from the little bit people know of her from the internet.

would you like someone to analyze you, diagnose you, and judge you solely from what they find on the internet about you? [/*]

YES< YES< YES< If my husband was missing everybody can disect me and our lives down the kind of TP we use and coffee we drink if it would helpt to bring him home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

need2no

03-07-2008, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by desmom

Night Nellie

I'm right behind. Last one out, please lock up.

:seeya: [/*]

I'll get the lights. Night ladies :seeya:

decor

03-07-2008, 01:22 AM

I can say
I don't know any of them.
I only know anything about any of this from what I have read.

I have formed personal opinions that I would not post if I thought they didn't actually pertain to finding Nick.

And I can guarantee that I am not CF.

I came to this board because I thought this case would be looked at objectively. Instead I feel like I am witnessing the Salem witch hunt.

I think part of this is because there has been no news and people get bored. If Christine didn't post anything and just let everyone rant you would get bored with that too and then there would be nothing to discuss.
I also think that even if there is news, unless it is a complete answer no one here will be told. why should CF's family or LE share anything with any of us?

need2no

03-07-2008, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by isitme

YES< YES< YES< If my husband was missing everybody can disect me and our lives down the kind of TP we use and coffee we drink if it would helpt to bring him home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/*]

AMEN TO THAT!

field of snow

03-07-2008, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

What about if we suspect that she was the cause of her husband leaving? At the moment there appears to be more evidence for this then for foul play. [/*]

Exactly. His state of mind *could* have been directly affected by her behavior and actions. what made him snap if he took off? I don't know if that is what happened, but we should look at all possibilities. I am sorry if some aren't comfortable with this, but they should go check out the other forums with wives and girlfriends missing.

If he committed suicide -- did spousal disappointment over his earnings make him feel like he was worthless and was he overwhelmed? Was he so much in debt that he thought couldn't climb out of it? Relatives suggesting/asking for donations so soon suggests things might have been really bad.

Things she doesn't say or explain, like why they left the church. Or when she did say something it was to ask all links to the church mentions get erased.

I'm open to all possibilities, but I tend to believe she reported him missing knowing he left her for a personal issue of his own. Maybe she thought he'd see him self missing and come home and apologize.
:shrug:

You just never know....