Thursday - 03-06-08 a.m. [Archive] - Page 2

CANDYKISSES

03-06-2008, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Right you are Candy. He may release information we don't know but things he had already told the media in his briefings.

It isn't his fault that they may not have reported what was told.

So I think we still may get some answers we didn't know. Heck if we get one answered that is a good start.

imoo [/*]

Exactly, and I don't even buy into the adoption idea given that we know she was wanting to keep the baby. I might buy into Chance's theory about Mary and Peter coming for a visit to get the adoption process underway. It's just not fitting that she would hit the road on her own to do something like that IMO especially after reading how excited she seemed to see Anne's baby.

I still would like to know if Anne was permitted to keep her baby. He was born March 17th, and Maria was excited then.

Fast forward to March 26th and the idea that sexual encounter was deemed consensual. I just wonder if she had changed her feelings after the birth of Anne's child. :(

JMO

GentleBreeze

03-06-2008, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Whew. I thought I was going crazy. :tongue: [/*]

Well if so.........we will be together so we will have someone to talk to that understands us.:tongue:

bkwits

03-06-2008, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Maybe they have and talked confidentially with OCSD.

imoo [/*]

But GB, wouldn't they have first called her mom and dad when Maria didn't show up as expected. After all, she was missing for weeks and 8 months pregnant. If it was her family who was expecting her, I'm sure they would have called someone else in the family. IMO

Cardinal

03-06-2008, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

How true! Very excellent point, Cardinal. [/*]

I think most of us have been there. :)

That's all for me tonight. Again, I apologize if I've offended anyone.

Have a good one. :seeya:

CANDYKISSES

03-06-2008, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

When I was Maria's age, my rule was not to tell my mother anything I thought she couldn't handle. I love/loved her very much, but I thought she didn't understand my life and I didn't want her to worry about me.

I think there could be many things Maria didn't tell her mother, for those same reasons.

JMO [/*]

ITA and was the same way, anything to spare her and my dad.

My little sister OTOH, she drove them nutso and when mother couldn't handle it, she would schluff it off to me to handle. JMO.;)

JanDoe

03-06-2008, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I think most of us have been there. :)

That's all for me tonight. Again, I apologize if I've offended anyone.

Have a good one. :seeya: [/*]

see ya Cardinal.........

CANDYKISSES

03-06-2008, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I think most of us have been there. :)

That's all for me tonight. Again, I apologize if I've offended anyone.

Have a good one. :seeya: [/*]

I can't imagine you could offend anyone with your gentle mannerisms Cardinal. Have a good evening. :seeya:

SavannahStar

03-06-2008, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I think most of us have been there. :)

That's all for me tonight. Again, I apologize if I've offended anyone.

Have a good one. :seeya: [/*]

Good night, Cardinal! :seeya:

GentleBreeze

03-06-2008, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I think most of us have been there. :)

That's all for me tonight. Again, I apologize if I've offended anyone.

Have a good one. :seeya: [/*]

:seeya:

Mimi428

03-06-2008, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I still would like to know if Anne was permitted to keep her baby.

[/*]

Permitted?

Can you explain? I can't figure out any scenario in which a pregnant person needs permission to be granted to them to keep a baby (unless the law is somehow involved re: custody)

TIA

GentleBreeze

03-06-2008, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I can't imagine you could offend anyone with your gentle mannerisms Cardinal. Have a good evening. :seeya: [/*]

Me either.........she is such a sweetie.

imoo

SavannahStar

03-06-2008, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Mimi428

Permitted?

Can you explain? I can't figure out any scenario in which a pregnant person needs permission to be granted to them to keep a baby (unless the law is somehow involved re: custody)

TIA [/*]

Hey I'm still trying to figure out who Anne is but I'm too embarrassed to ask.

Me ------->:punch:

bkwits

03-06-2008, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Cardinal

I think most of us have been there. :)

That's all for me tonight. Again, I apologize if I've offended anyone.

Have a good one. :seeya: [/*]

I must have missed something. I don't know how you could have offended anyone, but I Im sort of out of it...laying in bed all wrapped up in blanket, laptop on my stomach.

Have a good nite. Don't get this flu.
:seeya:

GentleBreeze

03-06-2008, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by bkwits

But GB, wouldn't they have first called her mom and dad when Maria didn't show up as expected. After all, she was missing for weeks and 8 months pregnant. If it was her family who was expecting her, I'm sure they would have called someone else in the family. IMO [/*]

Maybe these people have no connection to the Lauterbach family.

Personally I really don't think El Paso has anything to do with giving the baby up for adoption.

I think Maria was going to keep Gabriel after he was born and these people knew that and were willing to help her out.

imoo

Kel65

03-06-2008, 08:51 PM

It appears that Vic Lauterbach only has the one brother Steve, who lives in Virginia. As far as Steiner as a surname. Maria's grandfather, Edward Steiner was an only child, so the branch doesn't go much farther than Mary 's brothers' families. Mary's Steiner brothers all seen to live in the Mid West. So if Maria was going to someone on Mary's side in El Paso, they would probably be related to the Hollenkamp part of the family and have a last name related to the Schoenberger or Hollenkamp branches of the family.

However, I don't think she was related to her contact in El Paso (if there was in fact one). I tend to think that maybe the adoption was going to be open (if she in fact decided that she was going to go through with one) and that the family could have resided in El Paso. It would make sense of the El Paso puzzle.

All of this JMO.

bkwits

03-06-2008, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Hey I'm still trying to figure out who Anne is but I'm too embarrassed to ask.

Me ------->:punch: [/*]

Anne is Maria sister's name. Is that who someone is referring to.?

GentleBreeze

03-06-2008, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by SavannahStar

Hey I'm still trying to figure out who Anne is but I'm too embarrassed to ask.

Me ------->:punch: [/*]

Maria's sister.

imoo

SavannahStar

03-06-2008, 08:53 PM

Thank you guys. :tongue:

gaelicpeas

03-06-2008, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Hey, what was the question?

:D

"I'll take things found in the yard by Greta, for a hundred!" [/*]

Okay, I have to comment on this. I am (or was many years ago) a female athlete. I only wear men's shoes. Many female athletes wear men's shoes just because they fit better. I don't have a link to this, just my personal experience.

I am not that tall.. 5'8... but I wear a size 10 men's shoe.

Oftentimes, long limbs, big feet, etc.... contribute to a woman's athletic ability. Better base of gravity, better hand/foot control over the ball, etc. Just speaking from my own experience as a female athlete (and I should qualify that I was a 2-sport major, as in Division 1, college athlete) and a Division 1 coach.

strick10

03-06-2008, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by Kel65
It appears that Vic Lauterbach only has the one brother Steve, who lives in Virginia. As far as Steiner as a surname. Maria's grandfather, Edward Steiner was an only child, so the branch doesn't go much farther than Mary 's brothers' families. Mary's Steiner brothers all seen to live in the Mid West. So if Maria was going to someone on Mary's side in El Paso, they would probably be related to the Hollenkamp part of the family and have a last name related to the Schoenberger or Hollenkamp branches of the family.

However, I don't think she was related to her contact in El Paso (if there was in fact one). I tend to think that maybe the adoption was going to be open (if she in fact decided that she was going to go through with one) and that the family could have resided in El Paso. It would make sense of the El Paso puzzle.

All of this JMO. [/*]

Thanks kel. No Hollenkamp nor Schoenberger in EP listed as property owners. Forgot all about the family reunion site you posted yesterday.

GentleBreeze

03-06-2008, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Okay, I have to comment on this. I am (or was many years ago) a female athlete. I only wear men's shoes. Many female athletes wear men's shoes just because they fit better. I don't have a link to this, just my personal experience.

I am not that tall.. 5'8... but I wear a size 10 men's shoe.

Oftentimes, long limbs, big feet, etc.... contribute to a woman's athletic ability. Better base of gravity, better hand/foot control over the ball, etc. Just speaking from my own experience as a female athlete (and I should qualify that I was a 2-sport major, as in Division 1, college athlete) and a Division 1 coach. [/*]

You are tall to me, gaelic........I am only 5'4" and wear a size 7 shoe. All of our kids are much taller and I have four daughters and one son and I am the shrimp.:tongue:

imo

crymeariver2006

03-06-2008, 09:02 PM

I quit worrying about El Paso as soon as I saw Atlanta was a stop along the way.

Nice place to "get lost" and start over.

IMO

marinewife5

03-06-2008, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

I am 5'7.5" and weigh 142, I always buy mens tennis shoes, they fit better, last longer and are way cheaper than the women sneaks at Lady Foot Locker.
Feel the same way about mens sweats too. [/*]

I'm 5'8, and my weight is not pertinent to my foot size (:tongue: ) and i wear my husbands shoes all the time. I wear a 9 and he wears a men's 8. In my house a "man's" shoe and a man's shoe are two different things. imo

Kel65

03-06-2008, 09:03 PM

In regard to Anne, Maria's sister being allowed to keep the baby. If you look at one of Anne's MySpace pages that you can actually view,she indicates that she is going to high school (last year) at Preble Shawnee High School in Camden, Ohio, which is not near Vandalia.

If you look at Maria's website where she congrats her sister on the birth of her nephew you will see his name. If you take the child's first name and last name and plug it into Peoplefinder you will see that there is a person with the same name in his 40's, who is married in that town. Of course this is a JMO, but maybe Anne selected these people to adopt her son as part of an open adoption. Maybe that is why she went to high school there last winter when she gave birth. Maybe that is why we haven't hearld anything about Anne's son. All of this is speculation, but it makes sense. If this is feasible, which it seems then maybe there was some kind of adoption being arranged for Gabriel. Whether Maria was fully on board or wavering, I tend to think she was wavering and was leaning on keeping the baby.

Again JMO, JMO, JMO

crymeariver2006

03-06-2008, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Exactly, and I don't even buy into the adoption idea given that we know she was wanting to keep the baby. I might buy into Chance's theory about Mary and Peter coming for a visit to get the adoption process underway. It's just not fitting that she would hit the road on her own to do something like that IMO especially after reading how excited she seemed to see Anne's baby.

I still would like to know if Anne was permitted to keep her baby. He was born March 17th, and Maria was excited then.

Fast forward to March 26th and the idea that sexual encounter was deemed consensual. I just wonder if she had changed her feelings after the birth of Anne's child. :(

JMO [/*]

Interesting on the timing.....

GentleBreeze

03-06-2008, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006
I quit worrying about El Paso as soon as I saw Atlanta was a stop along the way.

Nice place to "get lost" and start over.

IMO [/*]

Not to me it isn't. I would never pick Atlanta...it is too much of a nightmare and things are so expensive there. I think she would be scared in a city so large with being pregnant or a new mother of a little baby.

JMO tho. I know Atlanta very well and I don't even like it and I am not even pregnant. LOL

I would pick a more rural town that was laid back and not so frightening, hectic or expensive.

imoo:seeya:

crymeariver2006

03-06-2008, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Kel65
In regard to Anne, Maria's sister being allowed to keep the baby. If you look at one of Anne's MySpace pages that you can actually view,she indicates that she is going to high school (last year) at Preble Shawnee High School in Camden, Ohio, which is not near Vandalia.

If you look at Maria's website where she congrats her sister on the birth of her nephew you will see his name. If you take the child's first name and last name and plug it into Peoplefinder you will see that there is a person with the same name in his 40's, who is married in that town. Of course this is a JMO, but maybe Anne selected these people to adopt her son as part of an open adoption. Maybe that is why she went to high school there last winter when she gave birth. Maybe that is why we haven't hearld anything about Anne's son. All of this is speculation, but it makes sense. If this is feasible, which it seems then maybe there was some kind of adoption being arranged for Gabriel. Whether Maria was fully on board or wavering, I tend to think she was wavering and was leaning on keeping the baby.

Again JMO, JMO, JMO [/*]

I don't think she was on board with it either. And maybe in some wierd way, she wanted a baby that she and Anne could keep.

I don't know if that makes sense or not. It just might have been a "traumatic" event in Maria's life and no one was aware that it had affected her like that.

All this is just speculation, jmo, all that.

bkwits

03-06-2008, 09:14 PM

crymeariver2006

03-06-2008, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Not to me it isn't. I would never pick Atlanta...it is too much of a nightmare and things are so expensive there. I think she would be scared in a city so large with being pregnant or a new mother of a little baby.

JMO tho. I know Atlanta very well and I don't even like it and I am not even pregnant. LOL

I would pick a more rural town that was laid back and not so frightening, hectic or expensive.

imoo:seeya: [/*]

Oh nooooooh, say it ain't so!

(Of course my lifelong dream is to retire to Savannah). :D

CANDYKISSES

03-06-2008, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Interesting on the timing..... [/*]

Yes, it is cryme and given that it was deemed to be a consensual encounter too. :( JMO tho.

I don't believe for a second she had a side plan to go to Texas and place the baby given all the above and the idea of her last conversation with Mary as ALLEGED THE FIRST TIME.

JMO.

ETA - Savannah, we might be neighbors. I love it there.

JanDoe

03-06-2008, 09:16 PM

.

strick10.....I found a Charles Schoenberger listed in El Paso
hope that helps you.....

CANDYKISSES

03-06-2008, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

Nor has anyone said she had, I think one shady poster who said she was her friend stated she was going to use her income tax check to buy baby things. JMO [/*]

Note to AB, only shady when she didn't go with the grain.

Used as source by the media for information tho. JMO. :read:

GentleBreeze

03-06-2008, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by AnnieBean

I buy the adoption theory but I will add that I don't feel Maria was completely on board with the whole thing...but had no way out and keep her baby too...family says give it up, Cesar surely was an advocate of this as it would save him 18 yrs of child support among other things, possibly she yearns for her own birth mother sometimes and doesn't want her kid to feel that way, maybe Anne did adopt her baby out and related to Maria how horrible it was to give her baby up (and I presume Anne's was not the product of a rape), and she LOVED her baby. But, if that is true, why hadn't she purchased ANYTHING? She seems to me to be very confused, either all along or at the last minute, when the bus schedule was messed up perhaps....we will never know I suppose what was going through her head. [/*]

But how did we really know that Annie? What if Cesar too was a devout Catholic and had similar beliefs like Maria.

What if he didn't want his son to be adopted by some strangers especially if he may have had family willing and wanting Gabriel?

See I think they both were foolish kids no matter what their ages were and all of this just snowballed into a mess because of it.

Like I have mentioned before because it sticks in my mind...what did the person at the Laurean family home mean when they told the media they didn't know the entire story? Did they know? IMO I think they knew a lot and knew it for some time.

imoo

GentleBreeze

03-06-2008, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by crymeariver2006

Oh nooooooh, say it ain't so!

(Of course my lifelong dream is to retire to Savannah). :D [/*]

Now Savannah is beautiful.:) That would be a much nicer place imo.

imoo:seeya:

gaelicpeas

03-06-2008, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

You are tall to me, gaelic........I am only 5'4" and wear a size 7 shoe. All of our kids are much taller and I have four daughters and one son and I am the shrimp.:tongue:

imo [/*]

I am just saying as what some people would take for the norm may not apply to women athletes. From my experience, the "better" women athletes tend to have bigger feet, bigger hands, longer legs, whatever... which contributes to their ability as athletes...

strick10

03-06-2008, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by JanDoe
.

strick10.....I found a Charles Schoenberger listed in El Paso
hope that helps you..... [/*]

There is a Charles A and a Christina A that have passed on.

strick10

03-06-2008, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by strick10

There is a Charles A and a Christina A that have passed on. [/*]

Involved in the probate are a Craig Schoenberger and Christina S Piekarski aka Christina Schoenberger....hmmmm

JanDoe

03-06-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by strick10

There is a Charles A and a Christina A that have passed on. [/*]

just wonder if any of their children might still be there?
I could only find that name in Odessa as being the closest city
to El Paso.

strick10

03-06-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

But how did we really know that Annie? What if Cesar too was a devout Catholic and had similar beliefs like Maria.

What if he didn't want his son to be adopted by some strangers especially if he may have had family willing and wanting Gabriel?

See I think they both were foolish kids no matter what their ages were and all of this just snowballed into a mess because of it.

Like I have mentioned before because it sticks in my mind...what did the person at the Laurean family home mean when they told the media they didn't know the entire story? Did they know? IMO I think they knew a lot and knew it for some time.

imoo [/*]

Agree GB that the Laurean family knew alot. It would be easy for CL to talk to them in spanish over the phone w/out CSL knowing what was being said.....

Kel65

03-06-2008, 09:34 PM

I wonder if Maria and Annie had any kind of contact wtih their bio parent through the years and knew their biologicial relationship to these people. If so, then maybe one of them expressed regrets regarding the girls being taken from them and raised by another part of the family. If so, can you imagine how hard it would be for your adoptive and bio parents differing in opinion regarding the future of you soon to be born child and how that compounded by hormones could have affected Maria and some decision she made.

This is purely speculation on my part.

gaelicpeas

03-06-2008, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by Kel65
I wonder if Maria and Annie had any kind of contact wtih their bio parent through the years and knew their biologicial relationship to these people. If so, then maybe one of them expressed regrets regarding the girls being taken from them and raised by another part of the family. If so, can you imagine how hard it would be for your adoptive and bio parents differing in opinion regarding the future of you soon to be born child and how that compounded by hormones could have affected Maria and some decision she made.

This is purely speculation on my part. [/*]

For what it is worth, Kel.. I really appreciate all of your research. And I have spent a great deal of time on your links as to the family reunion, etc.

I would suggest, however, that maybe you should research the Laurean family? I mean, appparently someone in that family, whether CL or CSL or some accomplice committed the murder? JMO

Kel65

03-06-2008, 09:51 PM

I'll see what I can dig up on the Laurean family. I suspect they are going to be harder to find info on.

strick10

03-06-2008, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

For what it is worth, Kel.. I really appreciate all of your research. And I have spent a great deal of time on your links as to the family reunion, etc.

I would suggest, however, that maybe you should research the Laurean family? I mean, appparently someone in that family, whether CL or CSL or some accomplice committed the murder? JMO [/*]

Ooooo researching the Laurean family will be very difficult. It's very very difficult obtaining family info from those that imigrated from Mexico.

Kel65

03-06-2008, 09:57 PM

Searching CSL's maiden name should prove to be hard too. It would be a lot easier if she had an uncommon maiden name. Drats!!! Ahh but I do love a challenge.

Well, I'm going to sign off for a little while. I have to go catch my favorie ABC show at 9:00 on Thursdays.

IvySterling

03-06-2008, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by strick10

I've found 2 Lauterbachs and 5 Steiners that are property owners in EP. No Laureans but some Laureano. Laurean is not a common name. [/*]
What about Elvira's family name?

strick10

03-06-2008, 09:58 PM

strick10

03-06-2008, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

What about Elvira's family name? [/*]

Without a first name it would be impossible to figure out which ramirez it could be as this is a very common last name. There are 100's of them in EP.

CANDYKISSES

03-06-2008, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by Kel65
Searching CSL's maiden name should prove to be hard too. It would be a lot easier if she had an uncommon maiden name. Drats!!! Ahh but I do love a challenge.

Well, I'm going to sign off for a little while. I have to go catch my favorie ABC show at 9:00 on Thursdays. [/*]

Maybe the poster suggesting more work for you can help you out Kel. I'm sure it would be a great project to do together. :D

Team work and all that! Enjoy your show Kel!

JMO.

henry

03-06-2008, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by Kel65
I'll see what I can dig up on the Laurean family. I suspect they are going to be harder to find info on. [/*]

here's what i posted . . . shocked i could find the link
http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/servlet/Assessor?instance=pcl2&parcel=13827411001

edit: there's another one
http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/servlet/Assessor?instance=pcl2&parcel=16120812035

edit edit: gnite . . . you're in good hands with nuttintodo . . . crap, watching too many commercials :)

IvySterling

03-06-2008, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by strick10

Without a first name it would be impossible to figure out which ramirez it could be as this is a very common last name. There are 100's of them in EP. [/*]
There are thousands listed in most States, kinda like Smiths :D

IvySterling

03-06-2008, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by henry

here's what i posted . . . shocked i could find the link
http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/servlet/Assessor?instance=pcl2&parcel=13827411001 [/*]
Mega Sanchez' also, darn, why couldn't it be an uncommon Hispanic name :)

strick10

03-06-2008, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

Mega Sanchez' also, darn, why couldn't it be an uncommon Hispanic name :) [/*]

Laurean is an uncommon hispanic name, however, I'm thinking that CLs parents were perhaps the 1st Laureans to immigrate from this particular family tree. There has to be someone though to have helped them in the process I'd think and most likely a relative that had been here for a bit before them.

gaelicpeas

03-06-2008, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

Maybe the poster suggesting more work for you can help you out Kel. I'm sure it would be a great project to do together. :D

Team work and all that! Enjoy your show Kel!

JMO. [/*]

FWIW... I have spent many, many hours searching both families. But this poster seems to find things I couldn't find. Which is why I suggested it.

strick10

03-06-2008, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by henry

here's what i posted . . . shocked i could find the link
http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/servlet/Assessor?instance=pcl2&parcel=13827411001

edit: there's another one
http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/servlet/Assessor?instance=pcl2&parcel=16120812035

edit edit: gnite . . . you're in good hands with nuttintodo . . . crap, watching too many commercials :) [/*]

good find. nite.

gaelicpeas

03-06-2008, 10:14 PM

strick10

03-06-2008, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Thanks, Henry.. I have seen these before.. the one thing that stands out to me is this is not a poor immigrant Mexican family. [/*]

I get the same impression. They may have moved to the states for their kids education.

henry

03-06-2008, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by gaelicpeas

Thanks, Henry.. I have seen these before.. the one thing that stands out to me is this is not a poor immigrant Mexican family. [/*]

yup . . . and if i'm re-reading these correctly (way past my bedtime!) it looks like only mrs. bought a home . . . where's mr.? jmo

GentleBreeze

03-06-2008, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by strick10

Agree GB that the Laurean family knew alot. It would be easy for CL to talk to them in spanish over the phone w/out CSL knowing what was being said..... [/*]

That is true and it just seem by their answer they DO know the entire story. Now probably not about Maria and Gabriel's death but the "entire" story up to that point and time.

They easily could have said "no comment" or just hung up the phone.

And IIRC I thought in one of the links we have had it stated that LE has been in touch with the Laurean family...so if that is so they now know what they knew and when they knew it imo.

imoo

Maka

03-06-2008, 10:20 PM

I found on one of those dig sites where Blanca is shown as being 26 years old and Salvador is shown as 50 yo .... Juan Carlos shows as 37 yo so I don't think he's a child of Salvador and Elvira.

There's a Rodolfo V who's 41 and a Javier S with no age listed.

There are a few Laureans in California and there are quite a few Espititas throughout the US.

GentleBreeze

03-06-2008, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

Ocean, I remember that SB was asked about CAL's family and he stated that he father was good people and there had been contact with his family. I can't remember exactly when he said it but I heard those words from SB's mouth. [/*]

Wow Nuttin........great job.

You caught him off guard with #11 and I think it struck a nerve with him because he was very interested where you heard that from. Did you email him that link. I think he may realize that someone in his department may have been talking when they shouldn't have.

Well I got my answer to #5.:eek:

imoo

Charlotte

03-06-2008, 10:43 PM

I've read more than once here that the alleged March 26 sexual encounter was "deemed" to have been consensual. Deemed so by whom?? And when?

I've spent hours on the links thread, and have not yet found where the March 26 encounter had been decisively ruled upon one way or the other. :shrug:

Maka

03-06-2008, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

Great........... you should.

Who knows maybe sometimes next week he will do a follow up email interview with you.

You are just the coolest.:cool:

imoo [/*]

He's really good about answering...even things he can't answer lol. That's why I suggested we get questions together and all. Cool stuff, huh?

GentleBreeze

03-06-2008, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

Doesn't mean that she couldn't be in the future. [/*]

I got the distinct impression that they do have a gut feeling she is involved but up until now they do not have probable cause and they know they have to in order to arrest her.

However the forensics could change all of that.

imoo

CANDYKISSES

03-06-2008, 10:56 PM

nuttintodo

03-06-2008, 11:06 PM

Ocean if you are still here, some housekeeping is in order with a dustbuster!

TIA ;)

GentleBreeze

03-06-2008, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo
Ocean if you are still here, some housekeeping is in order with a dustbuster!

TIA ;) [/*]

LOL I was too busy reading your list.:D

BRB!

nuttintodo

03-06-2008, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by Chicky

Before all that was said is Christina is a cooperating witness. Now he spelled it out much more clearly. No probable cause or she would be charged.

I'm surprised he didn't write "duh" at the end. LOL

We got what was expected from me. They have the answers and we won't be getting them.

JMO [/*]

But that is subject to change once CAL is captured and returned.

Duh---LOL back at ya.

IvySterling

03-06-2008, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by GentleBreeze

I got the distinct impression that they do have a gut feeling she is involved but up until now they do not have probable cause and they know they have to in order to arrest her.

However the forensics could change all of that.

imoo [/*]
Your 'impression' is the same as mine.

I also haven't ruled out my thought about the possibility that Maria was heading to one of CAL's family members to raise the child IF indeed CAL thought it was his.

I'm willing to eat my words, no calories involved, and sometimes eating your words are good for ya :D

CANDYKISSES

03-06-2008, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by IvySterling

Your 'impression' is the same as mine.

I also haven't ruled out my thought about the possibility that Maria was heading to one of CAL's family members to raise the child IF indeed CAL thought it was his.

I'm willing to eat my words, no calories involved, and sometimes eating your words are good for ya :D [/*]

I could buy this much more than I could a drive by private adoption in El Paso. jmo

gaelicpeas

03-06-2008, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

Well the party did occur on base so it would be up to the MC as to whether they will release anything about alcohol being consumed and the attire worn. Now if this party was off base, we'd probably already know as to the alcohol consumption and the attire worn.

I didn't think he would add anything new but hey he did take the time to answer the questions!

jmo [/*]

Yes, I agree completely.. so, it seems he is willing to answer questions.. so we need to come with more questions!

IvySterling

03-06-2008, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by Jas.S

Nothing personal, but I agree with Savannah and think this is being very cloak and daggerish here. [/*]
Read up Jas.S, Q & A were posted

GentleBreeze

03-06-2008, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by Chicky
5) Is there any evidence that shows contact between Laurean and Maria prior to Maria's arrival at the Laurean home? (I'm sure you can't answer this directly but the posters would just like a yes or no answer) Yes

This is kind of an ambiguous question as to the date of the contact. The question should have read "on 12/14 prior to Maria's arrival at the Laurean home?" It kinda leaves it open to the entire month or even the dates of the alleged rapes. Wide open.
jmo

Still Nuttin you did a great job. Thanks..

:rose: [/*]

I think the question was asked very well. She said "prior" and he answered "yes".

Yes, it could mean that it was happening sometime in the prior months or right before she arrived. He would not be that specific imo if she had tried to pin him down.

And I do believe contact had been made occasionally before she made contact with him that day and came over.

imoo

CANDYKISSES

03-06-2008, 11:37 PM

nuttintodo

03-06-2008, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Jas.S

Nothing personal, but I agree with Savannah and think this is being very cloak and daggerish here. [/*]

When you catch up with the posts, you'll see that I have posted both the questions and responses. And I have also made a new thread with them as per CW's request.

CANDYKISSES

03-06-2008, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

When you catch up with the posts, you'll see that I have posted both the questions and responses. And I have also made a new thread with them as per CW's request. [/*]

I think Jas is reading straight thru the trauma many of us were feeling as it became so convoluted in the hour between henry's initial post concerning the questions and your posting of the email.

Again, thanks for your work :)

nuttintodo

03-06-2008, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Jas.S

Absolutely.

And are we now going to say there is proof of X because someone asked this reporter a question and he answered, but we have not seen the responses? Or even the questions? [/*]

I didn't pose the questions to a reporter. I posed the questions to Captain Rick Sutherland, the person at the Onslow County Sheriff's Department who is the Public Information Director.

You can take the questions and answers for what they are worth.

I was not trying to be cloak and daggerish with anything, I simply wanted to make sure that posting both would fall within the TOS of these Insessions messageboard. And the same goes with henry, she compiled the questions and I simply emailed them directly to Capt. Sutherland.

jmo

nuttintodo

03-06-2008, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I think Jas is reading straight thru the trauma many of us were feeling as it became so convoluted in the hour between henry's initial post concerning the questions and your posting of the email.

Again, thanks for your work :) [/*]

I apologize for the delay in between. Today was my oldest DD's birthday and I was leaving to take her out to dinner.

Sorry for any inconvenience.

IvySterling

03-06-2008, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

I didn't pose the questions to a reporter. I posed the questions to Captain Rick Sutherland, the person at the Onslow County Sheriff's Department who is the Public Information Director.

You can take the questions and answers for what they are worth.

I was not trying to be cloak and daggerish with anything, I simply wanted to make sure that posting both would fall within the TOS of these Insessions messageboard. And the same goes with henry, she compiled the questions and I simply emailed them directly to Capt. Sutherland.

jmo [/*]
Aww nuttin, don't worry, Jas. S. just posted without reading all the posts.

Sometimes it takes me hours to read them all as I come and go, but try to read everything before I post something that either has already been answered, or duplicate of what I would post.

WE ALL apprecialte what you and henry did!

CANDYKISSES

03-06-2008, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by nuttintodo

I apologize for the delay in between. Today was my oldest DD's birthday and I was leaving to take her out to dinner.

Sorry for any inconvenience. [/*]

I think you misunderstood what I was saying and I guess I better make it clear right now and publicly. It was the initial post below
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henry
Senior Member

Registered: Aug 2007
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for your information, several posters submitted questions, and outside of the IS message board, a group question list was submitted to rsutherland and he responded to each question. those individuals that submitted questions and have requested a copy of rsutherland's correspondence have been provided with his answers, again . . . outside of the IS message board.

so, in the future, you may see some posters relying on the information provided by rsutherland, of course keeping in mind and staying within the parameters of c/w's rules on email correspondence.

also, i should mention that he was told that the questions were from some of the posters on the IS message board . . . and he was invited to join the board or read the posts.

__________________
thinking of a new one

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and it wasn't yours, but yes, it did cause some fervor and was a kind of mysterious. How would anyone else not part of the group having the copies know what was being referred to?

I don't know anyone who expects another to be here all the time and again it was not directed AT you and was just to address the post itself. I hope I made it clear this time and apologize if I was really that unclear.

Have a good evening and best wishes for your daughter on her BD! :rose:

nuttintodo

03-07-2008, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES

I think you misunderstood what I was saying and I guess I better make it clear right now and publicly. It was the initial post below
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henry
Senior Member

Registered: Aug 2007
Location:
Posts: 1406
for your information, several posters submitted questions, and outside of the IS message board, a group question list was submitted to rsutherland and he responded to each question. those individuals that submitted questions and have requested a copy of rsutherland's correspondence have been provided with his answers, again . . . outside of the IS message board.

so, in the future, you may see some posters relying on the information provided by rsutherland, of course keeping in mind and staying within the parameters of c/w's rules on email correspondence.

also, i should mention that he was told that the questions were from some of the posters on the IS message board . . . and he was invited to join the board or read the posts.

__________________
thinking of a new one

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and it wasn't yours, but yes, it did cause some fervor and was a kind of mysterious. How would anyone else not part of the group having the copies know what was being referred to?

I don't know anyone who expects another to be here all the time and again it was not directed AT you and was just to address the post itself. I hope I made it clear this time and apologize if I was really that unclear.

Have a good evening and best wishes for your daughter on her BD! :rose: [/*]

Candy, I guess I just have my guard up a little more than normal tonight. When I posted a 'rumor' before (and I prefaced it as a rumor), I caught grief so I wanted to make sure all the i's were dotted and the t's crossed this time around.

So in essence henry and I were just making sure all was correct before proceeding.

I'm sorry if anything appeared cloak and daggerish as that was not my intent. And it didn't help anything that I was going to be gone for a period of time.

Everyone please accept my apology if I have done anything out of the way. I never had the intent to deceive or deprive anyone of the questions and answers. I'm just glad that Capt. Sutherland took the time to answer our questions.

nuttintodo

03-07-2008, 12:23 AM

Nelkirk, when GVS was here and went to the Laurean's, she specifically asked SB where the suicide took place. SB told her that he asked CSL where did this occur and he showed us over by the gate entrance in the backyard. He went on to say that was the only time he talked to CSL and the purpose of him asking her that question was so the SBI could concentrate on that specific area for any type of forensics.

But yes CAL was the one who stated Maria cut her throat and take the slitting throat post mortem with a grain of salt because the only place that I have seen or heard the comment was on NG's show and we both know her flair for the dramatics.

And remember NG was the only one who said that CAL got a military discount for his bus ticket into Mexico.

JMO

nuttintodo

03-07-2008, 12:35 AM

I'm out so everyone have a good evening!

:seeya:

mini-me

03-07-2008, 12:42 AM

CanCan

03-07-2008, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by Jas.S

I think it was just a lie. [/*]

I do too. Not quite sure why she would, though.

Charlotte

03-07-2008, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by Jas.S

The fact that ML was murdered, may she RIP, has no bearing whatsoever on her rape allegations. The fact that she was murdered does not make the allegations any stronger. In fact, probably the opposite.[/*]

Do you mean that the rape allegations have been weakened by her unavailability to testify, or that her having been murdered signifies that the rape allegations were made without merit?

But I do not believe--and it appears that the folks who investigated her allegations are of like minds--that she was raped. [/*]

It doesn't appear to me that the investigators felt that way.
The investigation had not been dropped (still hasn't, last I read), and the military prosecutors felt that they had enough to go forward with. The lack of Maria's testimony now could be a major impediment to their case, though.

GentleBreeze

03-07-2008, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by nuttintodo
I'm out so everyone have a good evening!

:seeya: [/*]

Nite Nuttin!

Thanks so much for the info.

imoo:seeya:

GentleBreeze

03-07-2008, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by dave sargent

:lol:

The "funny farm" Might not have any vacancies by the time We get answers / CL /Justice [/*]

:lol: I agree.

imoo:seeya:

Charlotte

03-07-2008, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by Jas.S

1) No.

2) No.

3) The marines confirmed that the investigation had been dificult because ML had conflicting statements.

4) The marines gave a detailed account of how ML said it was rape, then it was not, when she got pregnant, etc.

5) On yesterday's thread there is the link for the fact that ML was trying to take back her allegations and that she was worried about having made false statements. [/*]

Okay, so the MC said that the investigation was difficult due to ML's conflicting statements, and listed those conflicting statements. ML even tried to drop the case herself (though I'll have to go find the link you referred to, and see for myself whether it was due to worry over the allegations being false, or just a desire to end the ordeal that was causing her a lot of harassment and trouble).

A difficult investigation and a conflicted witness do not equal a finding -- or even an opinion -- that the claim was false. Again, the investigation was not and has not been dropped or closed, and the prosecutors felt -- despite any difficulties -- that they had enough to move the case forward.

Since you answered "no" and "no" to the first two questions, could you explain what you did mean when you said that her having been murdered would probably have the opposite effect of strengthening the rape allegations?