Discussion - March 5th.

[n/t]

Good Morning all,

Just got caught up on last night's thread. I still believe the motive was finances whether he left on his own because he couldn't deal with it or he got involved with some bad people and something horrible happened to him.

Yes, some wives have no clue about the household finances. It happens more than than we know. I've seen it first hand with 2 of my coworkers. Yes, in hindsight they wonder how naive they were not to have seen it. Both due to gambling problems. I'm not saying that's the case with Nicholas but it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Anyway, hope y'all have a nice day. We're dealing with nasty weather here. Freezing rain and ice pellets forecasted for the entire day. I'll check in when I can.

:seeya:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Okay I posted on the other thread so I'll repeat what I said.

Christine has edited some of her blog - not anything radical, but just added to it, it seems for more clarity.

Nicholas was last seen going up the hill toward his car. Does anyone know if he would have had to pass the opening of that alley to get to his car, and how far away his car was parked from the building.

I was thinking maybe Mystry could ask her friend.

[AJandTam]

:seeya: n/t,

I don't know about this guy. Do you know if he has any connections at that condo or anywhere close by?? I figure he ran off but can't imagine what he's doing for money.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by AJandTam
:seeya: n/t,

I don't know about this guy. Do you know if he has any connections at that condo or anywhere close by?? I figure he ran off but can't imagine what he's doing for money. [/*]

Hi Tam :)

The police said they do not know of any connection to those condos, but how they could determine that is beyond me. I'm sure they do not know everyone Nicholas came in contact with in his every day life and via the internet.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I just had a thought or rather a question. At first when we thought Nicholas' phone was a work phone, I thought it made sense that he would announce that it was dead. A lot of employers give out cell phones so they can reach their employees at all times. So yes he would need to let others know his phone was dead and he could not be reached.

But why let them know his personal cell phone was dead? Would that be something they needed to know?

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Hi Tam :)

The police said they do not know of any connection to those condos, but how they could determine that is beyond me. I'm sure they do not know everyone Nicholas came in contact with in his every day life and via the internet. [/*]

Hi ya Rain. Do you know if they took N's computers at work or home? Who he was talking to on the internet could be very telling.

I guess they haven't found money missing so they don't know how he is supporting himself, as I understand it. He is not using any known funds?

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I just had a thought or rather a question. At first when we thought Nicholas' phone was a work phone, I thought it made sense that he would announce that it was dead. A lot of employers give out cell phones so they can reach their employees at all times. So yes he would need to let others know his phone was dead and he could not be reached.

But why let them know his personal cell phone was dead? Would that be something they needed to know? [/*]

That is strange if N was telling everyone that his phone was dead. I had imagined that he was just fussing about it to whomever was listening.

It seems like so much time has passed now since he disappeared that they would know if N took a bus, or a plane or something. It is interesting if they can't figure out how he might have gotten out of the area. My first thought is if foul play had come to him. It would be unlikely that there would be no signs of a struggle or anything, so that makes me think he ran off. Just wondering how he might have done it.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by AJandTam


Hi ya Rain. Do you know if they took N's computers at work or home? Who he was talking to on the internet could be very telling.

I guess they haven't found money missing so they don't know how he is supporting himself, as I understand it. He is not using any known funds? [/*]

I agree, but as far as we the public know, they have not taken his computer from home or work (maybe they have). There has been no activity on any of his email or bank accounts, charge cards, etc.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I agree, but as far as we the public know, they have not taken his computer from home or work (maybe they have). There has been no activity on any of his email or bank accounts, charge cards, etc. [/*]

Very interesting. If he did run off, he certainly planned it well. I think that w/males meeting foul play though, their bodies would turn up pretty quickly unless someone very close to them were involved. Doesn't sound like this was like a car jacking or theft thing. He wasn't fooling around w/anyones wife as far as we know. What motive would anyone have to take him?

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I agree, but as far as we the public know, they have not taken his computer from home or work (maybe they have). There has been no activity on any of his email or bank accounts, charge cards, etc. [/*]


After the initial check of his email and bank accounts, does LE continue to check on a regular basis or are all these accounts frozen so they can't be used? Anyone know?

[bitsy555]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I just had a thought or rather a question. At first when we thought Nicholas' phone was a work phone, I thought it made sense that he would announce that it was dead. A lot of employers give out cell phones so they can reach their employees at all times. So yes he would need to let others know his phone was dead and he could not be reached.

But why let them know his personal cell phone was dead? Would that be something they needed to know? [/*]

Now that you mention it...that is kinda strange. And didn't I read that it had been dead for a couple of days? Maybe not. I can't remember. If my phone were dead, my co-workers wouldn't know about it. But I do realize it could have come up in a conversation.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Curiouser



After the initial check of his email and bank accounts, does LE continue to check on a regular basis or are all these accounts frozen so they can't be used? Anyone know? [/*]

Great question - could they freeze those accounts though because Christine would need to use them, right?

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by Curiouser



After the initial check of his email and bank accounts, does LE continue to check on a regular basis or are all these accounts frozen so they can't be used? Anyone know? [/*]

I think the accounts are "red flagged" so to speak in most cases. In recent times in the case of Maria Lauterbach, something went bad wrong w/that. As her killer was at her ATM trying to steal her money 10 days after she disappeared. He went on the 24th of Dec. But on Jan 11th, he hadn't been busted for that even though his face was on the ATM machine and as it turned out, he ran away to possibly mexico and has not been found yet. So it seems it all depends on how good the investigators are and how much effort they put into a case.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by bitsy555


Now that you mention it...that is kinda strange. And didn't I read that it had been dead for a couple of days? Maybe not. I can't remember. If my phone were dead, my co-workers wouldn't know about it. But I do realize it could have come up in a conversation. [/*]

Matt from Seattle knows the type of phone and he said it would have to be not charged for one to two days for it to be completely dead.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by AJandTam


I think the accounts are "red flagged" so to speak in most cases. In recent times in the case of Maria Lauterbach, something went bad wrong w/that. As her killer was at her ATM trying to steal her money 10 days after she disappeared. He went on the 24th of Dec. But on Jan 11th, he hadn't been busted for that even though his face was on the ATM machine and as it turned out, he ran away to possibly mexico and has not been found yet. So it seems it all depends on how good the investigators are and how much effort they put into a case. [/*]

Thanks - I didn't know that. I think your last line says it all.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I just had a thought or rather a question. At first when we thought Nicholas' phone was a work phone, I thought it made sense that he would announce that it was dead. A lot of employers give out cell phones so they can reach their employees at all times. So yes he would need to let others know his phone was dead and he could not be reached.

But why let them know his personal cell phone was dead? Would that be something they needed to know? [/*]

I didn't realize he had 2 phones. I thought the cellphone he used was the company phone. :shrug:

I made it into work. What a mess. :(

Hiya Tam! Good to see you here. Here we go with another case that will make us nuts. :seeya:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


I didn't realize he had 2 phones. I thought the cellphone he used was the company phone. :shrug:

I made it into work. What a mess. :(

Hiya Tam! Good to see you here. Here we go with another case that will make us nuts. :seeya: [/*]

Didn't Christine say on her blog that it was his personal phone but he got it through work ?

[huskiki]

Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

We're having bad weather too n/t. Mainly rain but it was freezing in some spots. Where's spring?

About his bank accounts. I would think that they would leave them accessable so if he tried to use them it could be tracked. Unless of course you can track an attempt on a frozen account. Anyone here work for a bank?

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Didn't Christine say on her blog that it was his personal phone but he got it through work ? [/*]

Yes, you're right. I misunderstood. I thought it was a company phone.

This is what she posted on the blog.

"His cell phone is his phone but got a discount through work."

[bitsy555]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Didn't Christine say on her blog that it was his personal phone but he got it through work ? [/*]

Yes, she said it was a personal phone, but he got a discount thru work.

I just don't understand why he would let his phone go dead. He drove an older car. He had a pregnant wife and two small children at home. I wonder if this was typical of him. I don't know to me it sounds very convenient.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by bitsy555


Yes, she said it was a personal phone, but he got a discount thru work.

I just don't understand why he would let his phone go dead. He drove an older car. He had a pregnant wife and two small children at home. I wonder if this was typical of him. I don't know to me it sounds very convenient. [/*]


I can never remember to charge my phone. It's been dead for the past 3 days. I have a car charger but it broke so I have to use the one I have at home, which I can never remember to bring to the office with me. LOL

However, I am a woman so it's all understandable. Men are usually pretty good about their phones.

[bitsy555]

If he had a credit card she didn't know about and was using it, they would be able to tell wouldn't they? I don't know how they monitor those things.

And I wonder how hard it would be to get a credit card in another name.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by bitsy555
If he had a credit card she didn't know about and was using it, they would be able to tell wouldn't they? I don't know how they monitor those things.

And I wonder how hard it would be to get a credit card in another name. [/*]


Bank of America gives credit cards to illegals without SS numbers.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/02/bank_of_america.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251672,00.html

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki



I can never remember to charge my phone. It's been dead for the past 3 days. I have a car charger but it broke so I have to use the one I have at home, which I can never remember to bring to the office with me. LOL

However, I am a woman so it's all understandable. Men are usually pretty good about their phones. [/*]

Yes, but Christine said he would call if he was so much as going to be 15 minutes late.

[need2no]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I just had a thought or rather a question. At first when we thought Nicholas' phone was a work phone, I thought it made sense that he would announce that it was dead. A lot of employers give out cell phones so they can reach their employees at all times. So yes he would need to let others know his phone was dead and he could not be reached.

But why let them know his personal cell phone was dead? Would that be something they needed to know? [/*]

The 'dead' cellphone is one of the things that makes me believe he walked. He made a point of telling co-workers his battery was dead to (pre) explain away why no one could contact him when he went missing. I really can't imagine why this would even come into a convo since he was in the building (with the office phone) all day on Wednesday, at least we haven't heard otherwise.

To put it another way...if he hadn't mentioned the phone was dead then obviously people would have been frantically trying to reach him by phone when he didn't come home Wednesday night. It probably would've sounded suspicious that he couldn't be reached by phone and appeared more likely than not that he didn't want to be contacted.

Either the cell phone was part of his plan or he's got some really rotten luck to have a dead battery on the day he went missing.

I worked for a company who paid for my cell phone service, but I paid for the phone (using the company discount program), and my employer chose the service provider. So...it was in fact my phone and I kept it when I left the company but of course I had to start picking up the monthly fee. Interestingly though the service provider let me continue under the same discount plan. I also kept an extra charger in my desk drawer at work just in case I needed it.

It seems to me if he relied on his cell phone very much he would have a routine of charging it at night, or have a cell phone charger in his car. I've purchased 2 cell phones that came with car chargers.

[bitsy555]

Originally posted by huskiki



Bank of America gives credit cards to illegals without SS numbers.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/02/bank_of_america.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251672,00.html [/*]

Unbeliveable!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Yes and the charger has bugged me from day one

[huskiki]

Originally posted by bitsy555


Unbeliveable! [/*]


I know! That could be another forum all together.

[AJandTam]

Originally posted by Snowbird


My phone battery is dead now on the counter top. My children yelled at me for just charging when I wanted too. They said you are suppose to let the battery completely drain before charging to preserve the life of the battery. I just assumed everyone let their phone battery die before charging. I've learned something new. [/*]

Snow, you are correct. According to what the store told my family members. A battery has about 400 charges before it goes bad. Everytime you plug in your battery charger, you are using one of those 400 charges, so the cell company we use did recommend letting the battery go dead before recharging.

[dianaelaine]

I'm going to bring over what I posted on yesterday's thread, this morning. I forgot we have a new thread each day.

This is in response to somebody asking me, why would NF leave without telling CF.

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1. Didn't want to face her yelling, nagging, whatever she might put him through.

2. Has always been the 'good guy', doing what he 'should', being responsible, etc. and just needed to get away, without hearing anything from anybody, parents, other family, etc.

3. The pull of an affair (even emotional) is VERY strong ... and will change even the best of people, they go into the 'fog' and are completely selfish and self-centered for awhile.

4. I'm still keeping open to the fact that he MIGHT have been involved with foul play, but that could also include the person he perhaps 'just' met through an internet connection.

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Also, the cell phone part struck me as VERY odd from the very beginning. Just something about him making sure his co-workers knew it was dead, AND it was noted that they knew it was dead ALL day. ???

If it WERE dead all day, he could have/should have charged it. Doesn't make any sense. And why tell your co-workers, unless you WANTED them to know ... so that covered him in not being able to be reached from that point on. Gave him time ...

And Christine's yelling 'these kids won't have a daddy' in front of them, frantically, and LOUD ... just really bothered me, not good parenting in my opinion. It's as if she didn't care what they heard or how they might have been affected, she just needed to come across as dramatic.

I may be wrong about her ... just sayin.

Yes, he may have all ready contacted somebody in the family ... which is why the urgency is gone. But if he hasn't, I hope somebody tells him, he certainly CAN and not made to come back.

Maybe he doesn't realize that he has the freedom to stay away. Of course, he also has to face what people will think of him, paying child support, etc.

If he's with a woman, it may take some time ... icky to say, cause he should have separated or divorced first, but if he IS with a woman, the way it usually goes is, they'll want their time together for awhile, without interruption, then he'll probably want to reach out to the kids again ...

Just some thoughts.

HEY, we need an abbreviation for that!

JST: just some thoughts. :D

[huskiki]

Hi Diana :seeya:

The interview with her yelling with her kids right there bothered me too. I'm trying to think that she didn't realize that they were there.

All good points you have!

[need2no]

I finally found my own answer to one of the questions I had about pre paid cell phones:

Why can’t inmates have cell phones or prepaid phone cards?
Tracking and accountability are impossible. Security features can be bypassed, calls cannot be tracked or monitored, and phone cards do not allow officials to determine who actually uses a card. They pose a major risk to the safe and orderly operation of correctional facilities.

http://www.cor.mt.gov/Facts/InmatePhones.asp


I wonder if Christine's incoming phone calls are being monitored by LE? I'm guessing no.

[n/t]

Originally posted by need2no
I finally found my own answer to one of the questions I had about pre paid cell phones:

Why can’t inmates have cell phones or prepaid phone cards?
Tracking and accountability are impossible. Security features can be bypassed, calls cannot be tracked or monitored, and phone cards do not allow officials to determine who actually uses a card. They pose a major risk to the safe and orderly operation of correctional facilities.

http://www.cor.mt.gov/Facts/InmatePhones.asp


I wonder if Christine's incoming phone calls are being monitored by LE? I'm guessing no. [/*]

Not unless she's suspected of being involved. Do you think she and Nicholas are communicating?

[desmom]

Good Morning All! :seeya:

I am caught up on reading and want throw in my 2 cents....

Re: Christine's comments in chat - I think every spouse vents about their s/o to friends at one time or another. Christine was a SAHM, oops excuse me a WAHM, and her conversation during the day would be with her 2 children under the age of 5. I remember those days. I also remember calling friends and asking them to please say something adult-like. LOL! IMO, Christine being in chat rooms and/or venting about her husband is not suspicious....unless of course the entire conversation was all negative comments about her husband.

Cell phone charging - I have had my phone for over 2 years. I usually plug it in every night - occasionally I forget, so it would be every other day. It has the original battery. *knock on wood*
I do think it is suspicious NF's cell phone battery died the day he disappeared.

Credit Card - I had asked earlier if LE would run a credit check on NF or if they checked to see if he received any personal mail at the office. NF could have applied for a cc using his work address so CF would not know about the cc.

Bank accounts and computer - I think LE would need CF's permission or a warrant to flag their accounts and to take the home computer since they would be joint accounts/computer.
Which might be a sticky situation if his disappearance is associated with anything illegal, IMO. i.e. If NF was involved in something illegal, charged with a crime and the evidence came from his computer, I think a good defense attorney could get the evidence tossed.

Again....jmo

[dianaelaine]

Do you guys think if were the other way around, they would be monitoring Nicholas' phone calls?

If Christine were missing I mean.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Do you guys think if were the other way around, they would be monitoring Nicholas' phone calls?

If Christine were missing I mean. [/*]

They would have searched the house high and low and this would have been all over the news like Stacy Peterson. It's always different when a woman goes missing. The husband is the main POI right off the bat. IMO JMO

[need2no]

Originally posted by n/t


Not unless she's suspected of being involved. Do you think she and Nicholas are communicating? [/*]

Right, and as far as we know LE has no reason to suspect her. At this point all LE can do is to take any leads that may come in.

Hmmmm...I consider it as a very good possibility, but I keep bouncing back and forth between he left to protect his family from some problem, he left out of shame over the problem, or he walked to get away from everything.Then there is the possibility CF was in on the disappearing act. I do think his apparently strong (family) religious background is a big influence on why he walked, especially if CF was clueless, and I can't get past the recent resignation from the church playing a part in this. I also think CF knew at least something about 'the problem', or she has figured it out since he disappeared. Now I'm considering all the reasons why she would keep quiet about what she knows.

I noticed on CF's myspace beside religion it says Christian-other.
Can someone explain what she meant by OTHER.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by need2no


Right, and as far as we know LE has no reason to suspect her. At this point all LE can do is to take any leads that may come in.

Hmmmm...I consider it as a very good possibility, but I keep bouncing back and forth between he left to protect his family from some problem, he left out of shame over the problem, or he walked to get away from everything.Then there is the possibility CF was in on the disappearing act. I do think his apparently strong (family) religious background is a big influence on why he walked, especially if CF was clueless, and I can't get past the recent resignation from the church playing a part in this. I also think CF knew at least something about 'the problem', or she has figured it out since he disappeared. Now I'm considering all the reasons why she would keep quiet about what she knows.

I noticed on CF's myspace beside religion it says Christian-other.
Can someone explain what she meant by OTHER. [/*]


I would think the other would be the Mars Hill affiliation. I thought I read somewhere on the 60+ page forum that Mars Hill was non-denominational.

[need2no]

Originally posted by huskiki



I would think the other would be the Mars Hill affiliation. I thought I read somewhere on the 60+ page forum that Mars Hill was non-denominational. [/*]

You're right, I recall reading that as well, so I guess that explains OTHER.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki


They would have searched the house high and low and this would have been all over the news like Stacy Peterson. It's always different when a woman goes missing. The husband is the main POI right off the bat. IMO JMO [/*]

Exactly - had Christine been reported missing and there were four hours unaccounted for, Nicholas would be under intense scrutiny.

[field of snow]

I'd like to bring up again my discovery last night that he had an iPhone:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/francisco/353212423/

What I find interesting (And I said this also last night) is that his phone is just being referred to as a cell phone. That apparatus is branded enough that it seems like it would be referred to as an iPhone in all reports -- not just a cell phone. I can see him whining to his coworkers, who are no doubt other geeky Apple/Mac loving people in that kind of environment, that his precious iPhone was dead. I'd be whining too! But, I just think it's odd that not once has it been mentioned he had an iPhone.

Or did he have two phones? Or did he sell the iPhone and get a cheaper/free phone with Tmobile?

And yes, you can put a pay-as-you sim card in the iPhone. He already had it unlocked if that is what he was using so he could use the Tmobile plan he got a discount on. iPhones are AT&T otherwise.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Is an IPhone like a blackberry where you can receive email?

[huskiki]

iPhones are also not cheap.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Is an IPhone like a blackberry where you can receive email? [/*]

Hi Rainy :seeya:

You can do all sorts of things with an iPhone, email included.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki


Hi Rainy :seeya:

You can do all sorts of things with an iPhone, email included. [/*]

Hi Huskikikikikik lol

wow - hmmmmm -

[need2no]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Yes, but Christine said he would call if he was so much as going to be 15 minutes late. [/*]


On the blog CF wrote-his cell phone battery was dead, as confirmed by co-worker(S).

So from this statement I take it CF didn't personally know his battery was dead, but found out through the co-worker(S).
Hmmm..he felt the need to tell more than one co-worker, (unless several were standing around together when he said it) about the dead cell phone, yet he apparently didn't tell Christine. IF he had told CF wouldn't she have said "he told me his battery was dead and this has also been confirmed by coworkers."

So we have a loving couple who are so connected they start and end together (or however CF put it), and she is home with 2 small children and another on the way (and has had a previous miscarriage), but NF forgot to mention she wouldn't be able to reach him after he left work since the cell phone battery was dead. If she had tried to reach him on the cell she surely would have mentioned "I tried to call him on his cell at work that day and thought he had it turned off, but he told me the battery was dead, and his co workers confirmed this."

Again, if he was going to be in the office all day why the need to mention to coworker(S) his cell battery was dead. How would he even notice. Wouldn't he normally make and receive most phone calls on the office phone? Seems if he went to use his cell phone to call CF (if this is what he normally used to call home), and realized it was dead he would have thought to mention this to her when he then wound up calling her from the office phone.

Maybe he didn't tell HER it was dead because she knew he had a habit of charging it every night, or he figured she might have seen it on the charger Tuesday night and he thought she might find this claim odd and question him about it. *BTW it could be the phone is 'dead' because he removed the battery.*

I've also wondered why he didn't just 'accidently' leave the phone at home that day, or in the office when he left that night, unless he thought this would be a bit too obvious, or he planned to get a new phone service using this phone. My son told me some phones you own which were previously used with a regular cell phone plan (but are no longer under the plan), can be used with prepaid cards and are much better than the actual prepaid phones you can purchase.

Sorry...I'm just thinking out loud because this cell phone tale is a bit puzzling, and since we have such limited info all we can do is pick each piece of info apart to try and come to some logical conclusion of why NF is missing.

BTW- you can go online just being in a store like Circuit City, Best Buy, etc. with an iphone because you can get a signal through their wireless service. For some reason I don't think NF has an iphone, seems it would be hard for this young growing family to justify this expense.

[Musterion]

Nellie said: "Ok Musterion, since I like you so well, I'm going to go read up on the Delette case. (I know...I mispelled it...I'll figure it out when I get ready to google it). I guess some of my questions that come to my mind right off the bat is how they are raising funds. I do think I heard about a garage sale. Anything else?

Oh and just so you know, I am not a totally down on Christine person. I've even defended her about some things. I'm curious what your thoughts are. I don't know if I've read any thoughts you have about the case....just blurbs to set our thinking straight! LOL! I like it though, because I like to see both ways of thinking and many times agree with you. But what are your thoughts on what is going on? What do you think has happened to Nicholas and why do you think that? How long do you think the fund raising should continue? Would it matter to you what it is spent on? How do you feel about letting the children see the fear of having no daddy? Do you think she can be a bit dramatic? Her personality I'm sure....she is who she is. Actually she reminds me a lot of my nephew's ex-wife. LOL!"

Nellie,
My thoughts are usually directed at what facts I know. Statistics seem to dictate that Nicholas is a victim of a crime rather than to have vanished of his own accord. The area surrounding where he worked has been having an increase in crime since October. The area where he worked and also surrounding his office is a higher than average crime area.

My thoughts on the donations are not suspicious. It seems that when a crisis arises people want to help. It most likely will die down sooner rather than later. I hope she is being advised wisely with what monies are coming to her and the children.

Because Nicholas is missing I don't see any reason why donations should not be used for past debt, if it was/is being used that way. IMO, looking at the big financial picture, past debt may be the wisest thing to take care of, the wisest use of money, especially if interest is being accrued.

As for the children being on the news. It looks like that was a spontaneous happenstance, not contrived by Christine. What she said about them being without a Daddy was spontaneous as well, IMO. Do I think it was a good for them? No. Not at all. I don't think anything from the moment their father didn't walk through the door as he usually did has been good for them.

As for Christine's seemingly dramatic ways, I have said before that it appears that Christine has a vivacious, animated personality. Tragedy may enhance dramatic actions/responses, IMO.

[flyingfox]

don't think it is relevent, but they liked their wine:

http://corkd.com/people/thefranciscos/shoppinglist

[need2no]

Originally posted by snowfield
I'd like to bring up again my discovery last night that he had an iPhone:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/francisco/353212423/

What I find interesting (And I said this also last night) is that his phone is just being referred to as a cell phone. That apparatus is branded enough that it seems like it would be referred to as an iPhone in all reports -- not just a cell phone. I can see him whining to his coworkers, who are no doubt other geeky Apple/Mac loving people in that kind of environment, that his precious iPhone was dead. I'd be whining too! But, I just think it's odd that not once has it been mentioned he had an iPhone.

Or did he have two phones? Or did he sell the iPhone and get a cheaper/free phone with Tmobile?

And yes, you can put a pay-as-you sim card in the iPhone. He already had it unlocked if that is what he was using so he could use the Tmobile plan he got a discount on. iPhones are AT&T otherwise. [/*]

Well I'll be darn...wish I'd seen your post before I typed the last sentence on my long post-LOL.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by need2no



respectfully snipped ~

BTW- you can go online just being in a store like Circuit City, Best Buy, etc. with an iphone because you can get a signal through their wireless service. For some reason I don't think NF has an iphone, seems it would be hard for this young growing family to justify this expense. [/*]

There's a picture of him and an iPhone and it's titled "My new Iphone". That's how we believe he has one.

[need2no]

Originally posted by flyingfox
don't think it is relevent, but they liked their wine:

http://corkd.com/people/thefranciscos/shoppinglist [/*]

This family sure spends a lot of time sharing their life on the computer, especially to have 2 small children.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by flyingfox
don't think it is relevent, but they liked their wine:

http://corkd.com/people/thefranciscos/shoppinglist [/*]

This can be an expensive hobby. I believe it to be relevent.

[need2no]

Originally posted by huskiki


There's a picture of him and an iPhone and it's titled "My new Iphone". That's how we believe he has one. [/*]


:beer: See my post above yours...we were typing at the same time.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by need2no


This family sure spends a lot of time sharing their life on the computer, especially to have 2 small children. [/*]

They sure do. Personally I don't like it. Yes, you can find me on the web, here and there, but not my kids. I won't even post pictures of them. In this day and age you can never be too safe.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by need2no



:beer: See my post above yours...we were typing at the same time. [/*]

:beer: Great minds!

[n/t]

Originally posted by snowfield
I'd like to bring up again my discovery last night that he had an iPhone:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/francisco/353212423/

What I find interesting (And I said this also last night) is that his phone is just being referred to as a cell phone. That apparatus is branded enough that it seems like it would be referred to as an iPhone in all reports -- not just a cell phone. I can see him whining to his coworkers, who are no doubt other geeky Apple/Mac loving people in that kind of environment, that his precious iPhone was dead. I'd be whining too! But, I just think it's odd that not once has it been mentioned he had an iPhone.

Or did he have two phones? Or did he sell the iPhone and get a cheaper/free phone with Tmobile?

And yes, you can put a pay-as-you sim card in the iPhone. He already had it unlocked if that is what he was using so he could use the Tmobile plan he got a discount on. iPhones are AT&T otherwise. [/*]


Awwww this is the first time I see these pictures. I love this one. :(

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/223/486954655_1a7ba27495.jpg?v=0


He and Noah. The rarrrr! one.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by Musterion
respectfully snipped
Nellie,
My thoughts are usually directed at what facts I know. Statistics seem to dictate that Nicholas is a victim of a crime rather than to have vanished of his own accord. The area surrounding where he worked has been having an increase in crime since October. The area where he worked and also surrounding his office is a higher than average crime area.

My thoughts on the donations are not suspicious. It seems that when a crisis arises people want to help. It most likely will die down sooner rather than later. I hope she is being advised wisely with what monies are coming to her and the children.

Because Nicholas is missing I don't see any reason why donations should not be used for past debt, if it was/is being used that way. IMO, looking at the big financial picture, past debt may be the wisest thing to take care of, the wisest use of money, especially if interest is being accrued.

As for the children being on the news. It looks like that was a spontaneous happenstance, not contrived by Christine. What she said about them being without a Daddy was spontaneous as well, IMO. Do I think it was a good for them? No. Not at all. I don't think anything from the moment their father didn't walk through the door as he usually did has been good for them.

As for Christine's seemingly dramatic ways, I have said before that it appears that Christine has a vivacious, animated personality. Tragedy may enhance dramatic actions/responses, IMO. [/*]

Great post, IMO. I agree with all points.

I must say that the longer this goes on, the more I'm thinking foul play was involved as well. Someone mentioned earlier about a debt being owed, and I think that is a real possibility.

JMO

[desmom]

The post expensive bottle of wine they reveiwed was $12.99.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by need2no



(snipped)
BTW- you can go online just being in a store like Circuit City, Best Buy, etc. with an iphone because you can get a signal through their wireless service. For some reason I don't think NF has an iphone, seems it would be hard for this young growing family to justify this expense. [/*]

The link Snowfield sent shows a picture of him with an IPhone

Oops already brought to everyone's attention.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by bitsy555
If he had a credit card she didn't know about and was using it, they would be able to tell wouldn't they? I don't know how they monitor those things.

And I wonder how hard it would be to get a credit card in another name. [/*]

He would have to have the credit card connected to another social security number too, otherwise it would show up on a credit report. Which I'm sure Christine herself would have pulled by now to check, if LE hasn't. (Personally if this was me, even if LE said "oh we've checked his credit report and nothing's there", I'd want to see for myself). Also it might take a month before it shows up on a credit report after getting it; I'm not sure how fast that happens.

[need2no]

Originally posted by huskiki


They sure do. Personally I don't like it. Yes, you can find me on the web, here and there, but not my kids. I won't even post pictures of them. In this day and age you can never be too safe. [/*]

Amen, my thoughts exactly. Furthermore with the age of computers there is enough information out there that can be gleaned about me and my family without me voluntarily posting things about us on the internet. Heck this very case is a good example of why people should use caution in posting if they like their privacy.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by desmom
The post expensive bottle of wine they reveiwed was $12.99. [/*]

I didn't see the prices but wine can get expensive. Just an observation. iPhone, wine ...

[field of snow]

I still haven't heard any logical reason as to why all activity appears to have stopped by friends and family searching for him.

Why would family and friends give up? Even if you are looking for a body disposed by foul play, you want to find it to bring closure.

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/ -- not updated for over a week. What happened to the person doing that? I thought it was a friend?

I noticed just now that finally someone has reposted at Craigslist (maybe because I brought this up yesterday, too?). But it had been a week since the last time.

I have google alerts. Nada.

[n/t]

Originally posted by need2no


This family sure spends a lot of time sharing their life on the computer, especially to have 2 small children. [/*]

I thought the same thing. Good Lord. We know almost everything about their private life except what happened to Nicholas. :confused:

[huskiki]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


He would have to have the credit card connected to another social security number too, otherwise it would show up on a credit report. Which I'm sure Christine herself would have pulled by now to check, if LE hasn't. (Personally if this was me, even if LE said "oh we've checked his credit report and nothing's there", I'd want to see for myself). Also it might take a month before it shows up on a credit report after getting it; I'm not sure how fast that happens. [/*]


Or no SS# at all. I posted on page 1 where Bank of America gives credit cards to illegals without a SS#. So why not give one to a citizen, how would they know?

[need2no]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


He would have to have the credit card connected to another social security number too, otherwise it would show up on a credit report. Which I'm sure Christine herself would have pulled by now to check, if LE hasn't. (Personally if this was me, even if LE said "oh we've checked his credit report and nothing's there", I'd want to see for myself). Also it might take a month before it shows up on a credit report after getting it; I'm not sure how fast that happens. [/*]

If this was planned in advance he could have had a credit card unknown to CF and used his office address. Perhaps he took a large cash advance on the card and just doesn't plan on repaying the debt. I think it would take a while to track this down since CF wouldn't know he had the card and therefore couldn't check on the balance. I suppose if LE or CF looked at his credit report they would find an inquiry from the CC company and that would start the ball rolling towards finding out about the secretive CC. Maybe they are currently looking into this and that's why there are no current interviews/reports.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by snowfield
I still haven't heard any logical reason as to why all activity appears to have stopped by friends and family searching for him.

Why would family and friends give up? Even if you are looking for a body disposed by foul play, you want to find it to bring closure.

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/ -- not updated for over a week. What happened to the person doing that? I thought it was a friend?

I noticed just now that finally someone has reposted at Craigslist (maybe because I brought this up yesterday, too?). But it had been a week since the last time.

I have google alerts. Nada. [/*]

Actually that was me that posted the craigslist ads last night. I posted one in Seattle and one in Portland. I figured since I've been suggesting it here since the weekend (wondering why Christine or the family or friends hadn't done it), I should just go ahead and do it myself. Plus the other one was about to expire (they only stay up for a week). I'll be adding it to some of the California craigslist sites today, FWIW.

[n/t]

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i have 2 thoughts (well, probably 200 )

someone suggested that NF might be watching this thread. (We pretty much know CF is, because of her answering questions put forth here, on her F family site..)

1st thought..........
If indeed, NF is watching, how did he know about this thread...
...did he google himself, assuming he has access to a computer
...did someone tell him about this thread.....if so, who


2nd thought....i think i may have typed this in the first thread

If NF told CF he was leaving, i am quite sure she would not have said "oh, ok honey, sorry it didn't work out", something to that effect.....

she probably let him know that if he left, she would make his life a living hel*...and get him all over the news, and put up flyers, etc, etc, etc,. so he would not be able to go anywhere or do anything.....I can see her doing that...IMO, MOO
If indeed, C knew he was leaving, that could explain why everything is so quiet now.....
NOTE: I am keeping an open mind to the fact that he may have met with foul play.....
All thougths and ideas above are IMO and MOO, with no disrespect meant to anyone [/*]

Re your second thought. Why would he still be in hiding though? If he told her he was leaving and he saw he was listed as a Missing Person, wouldn't he call the police or his family and tell them the truth? :shrug:

[field of snow]

It wouldn't be that difficult to know someone who knew someone who knew someone who could get you a new ID. This includes a SSN#. An art school drop out who now uses his computer and creativity to make fake DL's? You just never know.

I don't think it needed to go that far with someone like NF leaving. I think if he left, he left with someone (either platonic and sympathetic or a romantic connection). If he left, he may have originally decided to come home if this was any other marital blowout issue, but because it became a "News at 6" story, it's a bit shameful now. It's one thing to make a big mistake, but I know at this point it would be very difficult to face everyone who was looking for me.

Moo.

[need2no]

Originally posted by huskiki



Or no SS# at all. I posted on page 1 where Bank of America gives credit cards to illegals without a SS#. So why not give one to a citizen, how would they know? [/*]

Geez...I need to start watching for your posts before I post my thoughts.

So in this scenario they (LE or CF) couldn't even check with a credit bureau to find out about a secretly acquired CC which was sent to NF's office.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by snowfield
I still haven't heard any logical reason as to why all activity appears to have stopped by friends and family searching for him.

Why would family and friends give up? Even if you are looking for a body disposed by foul play, you want to find it to bring closure.

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/ -- not updated for over a week. What happened to the person doing that? I thought it was a friend?

I noticed just now that finally someone has reposted at Craigslist (maybe because I brought this up yesterday, too?). But it had been a week since the last time.

I have google alerts. Nada. [/*]

I believe that was one of his best friends, if not his very best friend.

[n/t]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Actually that was me that posted the craigslist ads last night. I posted one in Seattle and one in Portland. I figured since I've been suggesting it here since the weekend (wondering why Christine or the family or friends hadn't done it), I should just go ahead and do it myself. Plus the other one was about to expire (they only stay up for a week). I'll be adding it to some of the California craigslist sites today, FWIW. [/*]

Very nice of you to do that. :rose:

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Is an IPhone like a blackberry where you can receive email? [/*]


I have an iphone. It's awesome.
You have an ipod built in, the internet, youtube, and yes you can do your email through there too. :)

[field of snow]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Actually that was me that posted the craigslist ads last night. I posted one in Seattle and one in Portland. I figured since I've been suggesting it here since the weekend (wondering why Christine or the family or friends hadn't done it), I should just go ahead and do it myself. Plus the other one was about to expire (they only stay up for a week). I'll be adding it to some of the California craigslist sites today, FWIW. [/*]

Heh. Well, at least someone cares and is doing something. I would also include Vancouver, Wa and Portland. In addition to his iPhone on Flickr last night, he had a google earth type map of where he grew up in the Minnehaha area of Vancouver, Wa.

Portland is also full of very arty creative types, too. Heck! I want to run away to Portland! (I did once for a weekend......decided at 5 PM to go and was on the 9 PM flight there...heh)

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Actually that was me that posted the craigslist ads last night. I posted one in Seattle and one in Portland. I figured since I've been suggesting it here since the weekend (wondering why Christine or the family or friends hadn't done it), I should just go ahead and do it myself. Plus the other one was about to expire (they only stay up for a week). I'll be adding it to some of the California craigslist sites today, FWIW. [/*]

Very very nice of you TTT - I was hoping she would update her MySpace page with his picture

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by hippiegirl
hum, if C filed for divorce now, and it was granted, would she then get help in the form of government assistance....

I wouldn't want to stay with a man that just up and left..

IMO, MOO with no intent to disrespect anyone. [/*]

Since no one KNOWS he just up and left, that would be pretty cold to file divorce on your husband that is missing.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by snowfield


Heh. Well, at least someone cares and is doing something. I would also include Vancouver, Wa and Portland. In addition to his iPhone on Flickr last night, he had a google earth type map of where he grew up in the Minnehaha area of Vancouver, Wa.

Portland is also full of very arty creative types, too. Heck! I want to run away to Portland! (I did once for a weekend......decided at 5 PM to go and was on the 9 PM flight there...heh) [/*]

The Vancouver craigslist is included in Portland's so that's covered -- I put "1998 Vanc. hs grad" in the heading too so maybe that will catch someone's eye.

I still think someone knows by now that he is ok (if not actually "where" he is), and that is why the efforts have stopped. But they should take him off the missing persons list in that case, it's really perpetuating a deceit if anyone has heard from him. Because if he's called and told someone he's alive and ok, then from a LE perspective I don't think he's "missing", he's just "away" at an undisclosed location.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by huskiki



I can never remember to charge my phone. It's been dead for the past 3 days. I have a car charger but it broke so I have to use the one I have at home, which I can never remember to bring to the office with me. LOL

However, I am a woman so it's all understandable. Men are usually pretty good about their phones. [/*]

Men are not all that great about their phones, they lose them or forget to charge them plenty often enough. I would opine, actually, that most men are pretty lazy about their phones. Clearly NF was.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by KindraLore


Since no one KNOWS he just up and left, that would be pretty cold to file divorce on your husband that is missing. [/*]

Since Christine herself said on her blog that LE does not know whether it is foul play or he just left, we all here are exploring possibilities of each. If LE had said flat out, it is foul play, then I don't think the question of him leaving her would be talked about. IMO

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Very very nice of you TTT - I was hoping she would update her MySpace page with his picture [/*]

Thanks, yes I don't understand why the efforts seemed to have stopped by her, the employer, the friends, the church. If no one has heard from him, they either strongly believe that he left on his own and will come back when he's ready, or? What? Figure his body will turn up in time?! Doesn't make much sense.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by K Anne


Men are not all that great about their phones, they lose them or forget to charge them plenty often enough. I would opine, actually, that most men are pretty lazy about their phones. Clearly NF was. [/*]

My husband is actually obsessive about his lol - he keeps up with it better than I keep up with mine and always knows if it needs to be charged. We can only go by what Christine said - which is, he would always call her if he was going to be so much as 15 minutes late. I'm not sure he has a history of his phone being dead in relation to her comment about his habits.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by K Anne


Men are not all that great about their phones, they lose them or forget to charge them plenty often enough. I would opine, actually, that most men are pretty lazy about their phones. Clearly NF was. [/*]

I would agree with that, but every guy I know with an iPhone is such a geek about it. I cannot see guys like that letting this "toy" die because he forgot. I also cannot see not having a $10 charger in the car for such a battery hog. But I guess NF could be the exception..

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Since Christine herself said on her blog that LE does not know whether it is foul play or he just left, we all here are exploring possibilities of each. If LE had said flat out, it is foul play, then I don't think the question of him leaving her would be talked about. IMO [/*]

Everytime I post here I need to over explain myself for some reason. Hippiegirl stated that CF could file for divorce and get state assistance and that if it were her, she would not stay with someone that "up and left her".

I stated that know one KNOWS that to be a fact, even if its opinions and therefore that would be cold to divorce someone that you do not know what happened to.

I am well aware that you are exploring the possiblities of each Rainy.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by need2no
I noticed on CF's myspace beside religion it says Christian-other.
Can someone explain what she meant by OTHER. [/*]

If you read the Salon.com article about the church they belonged to, you would probably describe that as Christian-other too.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by K Anne


Men are not all that great about their phones, they lose them or forget to charge them plenty often enough. I would opine, actually, that most men are pretty lazy about their phones. Clearly NF was. [/*]

I should have said, most men I know. I would in IT so I work with the techie types like Nick. They all have their phones at the ready.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by KindraLore


Everytime I post here I need to over explain myself for some reason. Hippiegirl stated that CF could file for divorce and get state assistance and that if it were her, she would not stay with someone that "up and left her".

I stated that know one KNOWS that to be a fact, even if its opinions and therefore that would be cold to divorce someone that you do not know what happened to.

I am well aware that you are exploring the possiblities of each Rainy. [/*]

Otayyyyyyyy lol

[n/t]

Originally posted by hippiegirl
yes, i thought about that, and maybe he has called LE, maybe that is why everything has gone quiet....

If he is alive, i think he will surface, maybe not go back home, but accept his responsibilities to the family, in the form of child support, etc.

hum, if C filed for divorce now, and it was granted, would she then get help in the form of government assistance....

I wouldn't want to stay with a man that just up and left..

IMO, MOO with no intent to disrespect anyone. [/*]

Could be but Christine did mention that the lead detective is on vacation until the 13th. and there hasn't been any new updates.

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Otayyyyyyyy lol [/*]

:D

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by hippiegirl
yes, i thought about that, and maybe he has called LE, maybe that is why everything has gone quiet....

If he is alive, i think he will surface, maybe not go back home, but accept his responsibilities to the family, in the form of child support, etc.

hum, if C filed for divorce now, and it was granted, would she then get help in the form of government assistance....

I wouldn't want to stay with a man that just up and left..

IMO, MOO with no intent to disrespect anyone. [/*]

She may very well have to consider divorce even if she believes he met with foul play, if she wants to receive any kind of government assistance in the near term. I don't know if there are exceptions in a case like this, but I doubt she could qualify for assistance on her own as a married woman. At least not for awhile. OTOH, if he is really nowhere to be found, then waiting the 7 (?) years for him to be declared legally dead would be a very long wait with 3 children, no health insurance, etc. Hard to say how long her Etsy and other charitable assistance will last.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by n/t


Could be but Christine did mention that the lead detective is on vacation until the 13th. and there hasn't been any new updates. [/*]

This is true. However, I would like to think the someone in the media was keeping track of this case and there would be something update. I would like to see an article that's just posted as a reminder that there's a missing man in the area.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by desmom
Re: Christine's comments in chat - I think every spouse vents about their s/o to friends at one time or another. Christine was a SAHM, oops excuse me a WAHM, and her conversation during the day would be with her 2 children under the age of 5. I remember those days. I also remember calling friends and asking them to please say something adult-like. LOL! IMO, Christine being in chat rooms and/or venting about her husband is not suspicious....unless of course the entire conversation was all negative comments about her husband.

Cell phone charging - I have had my phone for over 2 years. I usually plug it in every night - occasionally I forget, so it would be every other day. It has the original battery. *knock on wood*
I do think it is suspicious NF's cell phone battery died the day he disappeared.[/*]

Discussion boards are full of incredibly personal details and I'm sure chat is even more explicit. There are days when I can't say anything nice at all, about anyone; doesn't mean I am self-centered, narcissistic, or a harpy overbearing wife who deserves to be left. It means I'm pissed off. That's all. (What I meant to say there is, I agree!!)

I don't see the dead cell phone battery as suspicious. If NF was under duress, if he was planning to leave, if his real life was all too much for him, probably too, it was too much to remember to charge his telephone. I see that happen all the time when people are in crisis.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by huskiki


I should have said, most men I know. I would in IT so I work with the techie types like Nick. They all have their phones at the ready. [/*]

Exactly. Those are the types I know, too. They have Macs (and I know NF did at home at least - some of his pictures were tagged as using isight, which is the built in camera). I haven't gone into an agency like where he worked where at least the majority of computers were Macs and 100% for the Creatives.

[need2no]

Originally posted by hippiegirl
yes, i thought about that, and maybe he has called LE, maybe that is why everything has gone quiet....

If he is alive, i think he will surface, maybe not go back home, but accept his responsibilities to the family, in the form of child support, etc.

hum, if C filed for divorce now, and it was granted, would she then get help in the form of government assistance....

I wouldn't want to stay with a man that just up and left..

IMO, MOO with no intent to disrespect anyone. [/*]


Remember Jennifer Wilbanks, the Runaway Bride, she left with only $100 in her pocket. And then there was the case of the college student who faked her abduction and was later found in a marsh near the college campus, the school teacher married to a preacher who took off, the couple who faked his death for the insurance money............

As unbelieveable as it seems to some, it is not that unusual for people to make a spur of the moment decision to take off with seemingly little, or no regard for the loved ones they leave behind, or to be overly concerned with how they will survive in the future.

As for government assistance...wouldn't LE have to make some sort of official determination about NF, like no foul play suspected, and it is believed he walked away on his own accord. I wonder how long it would take before they would make this official?

[field of snow]

Even if LE is on vacation and the media doesn't care, why doesn't his family and friends? Everything (except her updates) seems to have stopped at Feb 26. His best friend could be posting regular updates about searches or where flyers have been posted or where "missing notices" need to be posted online like the Craigslist that TTT just updated.

Where are her friends and family?

Originally posted by huskiki


This is true. However, I would like to think the someone in the media was keeping track of this case and there would be something update. I would like to see an article that's just posted as a reminder that there's a missing man in the area. [/*]

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki


This is true. However, I would like to think the someone in the media was keeping track of this case and there would be something update. I would like to see an article that's just posted as a reminder that there's a missing man in the area. [/*]

YES! Forget LE - they have other cases, other priorities, but to a best friend or a church or family members, this should take top billing IMO.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by snowfield
Even if LE is on vacation and the media doesn't care, why doesn't his family and friends? Everything (except her updates) seems to have stopped at Feb 26. His best friend could be posting regular updates about searches or where flyers have been posted or where "missing notices" need to be posted online like the Craigslist that TTT just updated.

Where are her friends and family?

[/*]

Yes, that too! I totally agree.

It's almost like they all found something out (Nick is alive and doesn't want to be found) but they aren't sharing that information. I can understand that it would be embarrassing for Christine but it's going to come out sooner or later. If you make appeals to the public to help find someone then you owe it to the public to keep them updated on the situation. IMO JMO

[need2no]

Originally posted by K Anne


Discussion boards are full of incredibly personal details and I'm sure chat is even more explicit. There are days when I can't say anything nice at all, about anyone; doesn't mean I am self-centered, narcissistic, or a harpy overbearing wife who deserves to be left. It means I'm pissed off. That's all. (What I meant to say there is, I agree!!)

I don't see the dead cell phone battery as suspicious. If NF was under duress, if he was planning to leave, if his real life was all too much for him, probably too, it was too much to remember to charge his telephone. I see that happen all the time when people are in crisis. [/*]

I would have to disagree about the cell phone, especially if he was planning to leave. I'd bet he used the iphone for numerous purposes every single day and wouldn't dream of living it behind.
In fact I'm inclined to believe the battery wasn't dead at all...he simply removed it to make it appear to be dead.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
After being slammed so hard two days ago, I am back.

Since my theory about why Nicholas is missing is so far out there...... I think someone said that it was so absurd that it compared to Nicholas being abducted by Aliens. I won't go over it further.

Instead, I will just enter the current discussion.

Re: his car left at the Condos.

If you remember early on, the woman who reported the car parked in and near the reserved parking space where the car was found said that she thought that maybe someone in the next apartment complex, running out of space might have been using the space.

Has anyone looked at the complex next to the Condominiums as a possible location that was used while Nicholas is or was in hiding? [/*]

Great idea - glad you are back!

[need2no]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


YES! Forget LE - they have other cases, other priorities, but to a best friend or a church or family members, this should take top billing IMO. [/*]


Many moons ago I called LE to ask why they hadn't served the month old bench warrant (for child support) on my X. The officer told me he had a huge stack of cases in his in basket..everything from murder, rape, major theft, etc., and the bench warrant for my child support payments was on the BOTTOM of his basket and he didn't know when he would get to it because it wasn't priority over the other cases he had to work. So...I would imagine NF's case is somewhere near the bottom of an overworked detective's basket since NF's car has been located and there is no evidence of foul play. Also it probably won't get moved to the top unless he gets an important lead in this case.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Need2no - exactly - which is why his support group needs to be saturating the public with his picture. It seems they had no problem being all over the internet before with pics, blogs, etc., so why not now. Its so frustrating because it seems so much more could be being done.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by snowfield
Even if LE is on vacation and the media doesn't care, why doesn't his family and friends? Everything (except her updates) seems to have stopped at Feb 26. His best friend could be posting regular updates about searches or where flyers have been posted or where "missing notices" need to be posted online like the Craigslist that TTT just updated.

Where are her friends and family?

[/*]

What makes you say that his family and friends don't care? There is no updates.. so no reason to post an update.. that does not mean that they are not sick with worry for Nicholas. I know for a fact that some of them are VERY worried but they also have jobs, families and other responisibilities. The police have said that in their minds there is equal chance for foul play or him running off. They don't believe that he ran off. PERIOD They don't believe that.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
After being slammed so hard two days ago, I am back.

Since my theory about why Nicholas is missing is so far out there...... I think someone said that it was so absurd that it compared to Nicholas being abducted by Aliens. I won't go over it further.

Instead, I will just enter the current discussion.

Re: his car left at the Condos.

If you remember early on, the woman who reported the car parked in and near the reserved parking space where the car was found said that she thought that maybe someone in the next apartment complex, running out of space might have been using the space.

Has anyone looked at the complex next to the Condominiums as a possible location that was used while Nicholas is or was in hiding? [/*]

I was surprised to see Greta reported on that group ( your theory) the same night you were suggesting it on the board.

I hope LE took a good look at the woman who reported spotting NF's car...it's possible she could have been in on it and reporting where the car was parked (and clean) was part of NF's plan all along.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by need2no



Many moons ago I called LE to ask why they hadn't served the month old bench warrant (for child support) on my X. The officer told me he had a huge stack of cases in his in basket..everything from murder, rape, major theft, etc., and the bench warrant for my child support payments was on the BOTTOM of his basket and he didn't know when he would get to it because it wasn't priority over the other cases he had to work. So...I would imagine NF's case is somewhere near the bottom of an overworked detective's basket since NF's car has been located and there is no evidence of foul play. Also it probably won't get moved to the top unless he gets an important lead in this case. [/*]


If this is what's happening and it very well may be, then friends and family need to do something on their own. My first thought would be to hire my own PI. And what about the Publicis PI? Hasn't he been able to come up with anything either or is he just for show??

[need2no]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


What makes you say that his family and friends don't care? There is no updates.. so no reason to post an update.. that does not mean that they are not sick with worry for Nicholas. I know for a fact that some of them are VERY worried but they also have jobs, families and other responisibilities. The police have said that in their minds there is equal chance for foul play or him running off. They don't believe that he ran off. PERIOD They don't believe that. [/*]


I don't know what LE believes but how could they consider foul play and walking away as equal possiblities when there is no evidence of foul play, no witnesses, and his car has been located without any evidence of abduction/foul play/a struggle/blood, no body, no leads in that direction, etc.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


What makes you say that his family and friends don't care? There is no updates.. so no reason to post an update.. that does not mean that they are not sick with worry for Nicholas. I know for a fact that some of them are VERY worried but they also have jobs, families and other responisibilities. The police have said that in their minds there is equal chance for foul play or him running off. They don't believe that he ran off. PERIOD They don't believe that. [/*]

There aren't any new leads in this case so yes, what is there to update? I can understand that however ...

There's a missing boy from my area, Jaliek Rainwalker, and while I do not know him I update my blog almost everyday with something about him. If there's no news then I post some of my thoughts. The thought of a story fading away (especially a child) makes me sick.

With that being said, I would think some of his friends would update their blogs or sites with something, anything, just to keep Nicholas' name out there.

IMO JMO

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


You are right but personally I feel that other agencies might be hard at work on the Nicholas Francisco case and they will never call a press conference. Appearances may be deceiving in this case. I think this case is a lot more serious than a man unhappy with his life, runs off to parts unknown until he can get the nerve to come back home.

It's lots bigger than that. [/*]

What are you basing this opinion on, please? Personal feelings or something you've read somewhere or what?

[huskiki]

Originally posted by need2no


I was surprised to see Greta reported on that group ( your theory) the same night you were suggesting it on the board.

I hope LE took a good look at the woman who reported spotting NF's car...it's possible she could have been in on it and reporting where the car was parked (and clean) was part of NF's plan all along. [/*]

Greta was reporting on that group because there were fires that day and that group is being linked to them. Four luxury homes went up in flames.

[need2no]

Originally posted by Curiouser



If this is what's happening and it very well may be, then friends and family need to do something on their own. My first thought would be to hire my own PI. And what about the Publicis PI? Hasn't he been able to come up with anything either or is he just for show?? [/*]

If I were in her shoes I would want to hire my own PI who would have to report directly to me, and I could stay on top of his efforts. Assuming this co. hired PI is seriously working on the case he is only obligated to report to the people who hired him-that would make me crazy.

It would seem to me the family could pool their funds together to hire a PI.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by huskiki


There aren't any new leads in this case so yes, what is there to update? I can understand that however ...

There's a missing boy from my area, Jaliek Rainwalker, and while I do not know him I update my blog almost everyday with something about him. If there's no news then I post some of my thoughts. The thought of a story fading away (especially a child) makes me sick.

With that being said, I would think some of his friends would update their blogs or sites with something, anything, just to keep Nicholas' name out there.

IMO JMO [/*]

I just checked the Donovan Family Blog and they've posted a bunch of personal pix of family events in the past few days and little funny comments, but the last mention at all of Nicholas was on March 1st I think where they said if they heard anything they would put it on the blog.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by AJandTam
:seeya: n/t,

I don't know about this guy. Do you know if he has any connections at that condo or anywhere close by?? I figure he ran off but can't imagine what he's doing for money. [/*]

selling online maybe....

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by need2no



I don't know what LE believes but how could they consider foul play and walking away as equal possiblities when there is no evidence of foul play, no witnesses, and his car has been located without any evidence of abduction/foul play/a struggle/blood, no body, no leads in that direction, etc. [/*]

People disappear all the time with no indication of what happened. Later on many of the cases are found to be foul play.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Curiouser


I just checked the Donovan Family Blog and they've posted a bunch of personal pix of family events in the past few days and little funny comments, but the last mention at all of Nicholas was on March 1st I think where they said if they heard anything they would put it on the blog. [/*]

They didn't even keep a blurb at the top of the blog. If anyone visited that blog they couldn't tell right off that they had a friend missing that they were searching for.

It just seems like it's back to everyday life. I wonder if they might suspect he took off too.

[need2no]

Originally posted by KindraLore


People disappear all the time with no indication of what happened. Later on many of the cases are found to be foul play. [/*]


True, but I'm just thinking at this point LE wouldn't give equal weight to the possibility of foul play vs walking, unless they know something we aren't aware of, which is very possible.

If they had not located his car I think they might be more inclined to lean toward foul play.

But heck...as I said I have no way of knowing what they are thinking or doing, if anything.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by need2no



Many moons ago I called LE to ask why they hadn't served the month old bench warrant (for child support) on my X. The officer told me he had a huge stack of cases in his in basket..everything from murder, rape, major theft, etc., and the bench warrant for my child support payments was on the BOTTOM of his basket and he didn't know when he would get to it because it wasn't priority over the other cases he had to work. So...I would imagine NF's case is somewhere near the bottom of an overworked detective's basket since NF's car has been located and there is no evidence of foul play. Also it probably won't get moved to the top unless he gets an important lead in this case. [/*]

This is TOTALLY true need2no.

Anyone from this area can tell you about the recent missing woman Tanya Rider. She left work to go home.. on Wednesday and never made it home. Her husband was distraught. They worked different shifts so didn't know she was missing til Friday when he heard she hadn't gone to work the night before. He called the police. He tried to get them to help him but they basically didn't do alot. The first couple times that he called them he was told if she wasn't home in the next day or so to call back.. which he did. At this point she had been missing for 3 days. They did give him numbers to call and they followed up on checking hospitals.. etc in the area but turned up nothing. The Sheriff actually admitted for the first few days after he called tht they didn't even believe that she was missing. They tried to get her cell phone records finally on Monday of the following week but didn't have a warrant and because it wasn't a "crime" to go missing they couldn't get them. Finally on Thursday they got her phone records and she had one ping on her phone during the time that she was missing. Come to find out her car had gone off the road and into a ravine. She was pinned in the car at the bottom for 8 days and was close to death when they finally found her. There was OUTRAGE in the community and from her husband. The family wasn't all over the news during that time. I don't remember seeing any websites for her or any updates by family or friends.

[desmom]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
After being slammed so hard two days ago, I am back.

Since my theory about why Nicholas is missing is so far out there...... I think someone said that it was so absurd that it compared to Nicholas being abducted by Aliens. I won't go over it further.

Instead, I will just enter the current discussion.

Re: his car left at the Condos.

If you remember early on, the woman who reported the car parked in and near the reserved parking space where the car was found said that she thought that maybe someone in the next apartment complex, running out of space might have been using the space.

Has anyone looked at the complex next to the Condominiums as a possible location that was used while Nicholas is or was in hiding? [/*]

Welcome Back Beth!

I have been reading about Earth Liberation Front since you posted the links. I had never heard of ELF. I was shocked by some of the things I read. All the fire bombs and destruction, the risk of life or injury...

It appears their members come from all walks of life. In the beginning, I did not see NF belonging to a terrorist group. The more I thought about it, I guess it could be a possibility.

What do we know about NF except what little bit of info provided by his wife and a few friends? He is a nice guy..a family man... sweetie.... We do not know if has any hobbies, if he supports any causes, belongs to any organizations/clubs, plays any type of sports......

jmo

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Nellie


They didn't even keep a blurb at the top of the blog. If anyone visited that blog they couldn't tell right off that they had a friend missing that they were searching for.

It just seems like it's back to everyday life. I wonder if they might suspect he took off too. [/*]

Or actually know that he did.

Another thought is if people strongly think he did take off but figure he is too stressed or embarrassed or ashamed to come back after all of the attention, then maybe they're thinking if they downplay it all, go back to everyday life, "business as usual", etc., he will feel less like all eyes are on him, and will come out of hiding.

I do think the Donavan family blog is odd that Nicholas's disappearance it isn't even really visible anymore -- I mean, they came all the way from Colorado for several days to try and search and be of support to Christine. And now, nothing?

[field of snow]

MysteryPhobia --

Not one of their friends or family could find time in their busy lives in a week to post the Missing/Reward notice on Craigslist or update the blog regarding searches or canvassing? It takes two minutes to copy and paste something into Craigslist and post. A few minutes a day posting comments on Myspace. Another few minutes to post an update on the blog. It's not like his coworkers don't know how to use computers. I am sure his three younger sisters are pretty savvy with it too. His best friend's wife has time to update her blog with what she did 10 years ago and her to do list. Heck, there isn't even anything on their family blog about Nicholas missing. (I thought there was??)

Do you think that having busy family lives and jobs is a logical enough excuse to not help find a missing friend with a pregnant wife and two kids at home?

I can think of many cases where the family and friends didn't give up. There was constant updates and news.

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by need2no



True, but I'm just thinking at this point LE wouldn't give equal weight to the possibility of foul play vs walking, unless they know something we aren't aware of, which is very possible.

If they had not located his car I think they might be more inclined to lean toward foul play.

But heck...as I said I have no way of knowing what they are thinking or doing, if anything. [/*]

I believe they ARE giving equal weight to it. I think they have stated (correct me if I am wrong) that they do not KNOW. That they have no evidence as to foul play or what happened. Actually I believe one articles headline was something to the effect "Police believe SePac Man Left on His Own or Foul Play". Those were not the exact words, but that was the jist.

[isitme]

IMHO and MOO I that he, with or without aid from someone else, planned before hand or a spur of the moment decision he left on his own.

I also think that he has been in contact with someone, his mom and/or sister, or his best friend. But he may not want C to know that so they are keeping very quiet. To the extreme of not even reporting it to LE.

However there is the extreme possibility that C knows for a fact that he is alive and well but is not coming back to her and she is continuing the "search" for her own reasons.

Again this all MHO and MOO

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by snowfield
MysteryPhobia --

Not one of their friends or family could find time in their busy lives in a week to post the Missing/Reward notice on Craigslist or update the blog regarding searches or canvassing? It takes two minutes to copy and paste something into Craigslist and post. A few minutes a day posting comments on Myspace. Another few minutes to post an update on the blog. It's not like his coworkers don't know how to use computers. I am sure his three younger sisters are pretty savvy with it too. His best friend's wife has time to update her blog with what she did 10 years ago and her to do list. Heck, there isn't even anything on their family blog about Nicholas missing. (I thought there was??)

Do you think that having busy family lives and jobs is a logical enough excuse to not help find a missing friend with a pregnant wife and two kids at home?

I can think of many cases where the family and friends didn't give up. There was constant updates and news. [/*]

So then you just believe all his family and friends do not care or just wrote him off? We do not know what is going on behind the scenes or what they are doing. And just because some of you have thought of Craigslist does not mean they have. Believe it or not, some people have never even HEARD of Craigslist. lol

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by isitme
IMHO and MOO I that he, with or without aid from someone else, planned before hand or a spur of the moment decision he left on his own.

I also think that he has been in contact with someone, his mom and/or sister, or his best friend. But he may not want C to know that so they are keeping very quiet. To the extreme of not even reporting it to LE.

However there is the extreme possibility that C knows for a fact that he is alive and well but is not coming back to her and she is continuing the "search" for her own reasons.

Again this all MHO and MOO [/*]

The problem I have with that scenario is that you are saying his family (mother and sisters) are going to continue to deceive not only the public, but also Law Enforcement. That does not sound plausible to me. MOO of course

[field of snow]

re: Donovan Family blog --- ahh..just noticed that her blog updates were off because I didn't look before the Valentine's Day pictures (figuring it was before Feb 14).

Still...got time to post to blog. Why not spend two minutes doing a Missing/Reward notice on Craigslist. I would that for my friend who was missing

[field of snow]

Originally posted by KindraLore


So then you just believe all his family and friends do not care or just wrote him off? We do not know what is going on behind the scenes or what they are doing. And just because some of you have thought of Craigslist does not mean they have. Believe it or not, some people have never even HEARD of Craigslist. lol [/*]

His coworkers and tech/arty/creative friends certainly have heard of Craigslist. Especially in Seattle/Portland/Vancouver.


I don't think they don't care (at least I hope they do). I think they don't believe he is just randomly missing (foul play) at this point.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by need2no



I don't know what LE believes but how could they consider foul play and walking away as equal possiblities when there is no evidence of foul play, no witnesses, and his car has been located without any evidence of abduction/foul play/a struggle/blood, no body, no leads in that direction, etc. [/*]

Could be because they haven't found anything to lead them to believe he had some reason to want to leave. There is nothing on his cell phone... bank accounts... he hasn't shown up for work... hasn't went home to his family... wasn't with his vehicle. All of that could lead someone to think that isn't happening because something is preventing him from doing those things.

But.. they also have no reason to believe that he has met with foul play.. for the reasons that you have stated. No evidence of a struggle.. no blood.. car found with no info in it... no eyewitnesses to him being in trouble.

It REALLY could go either way and is probably why alot of us on this board are soo torn. There is EQUAL reasons to believe that he left or that he met with foul play.

[isitme]

Originally posted by KindraLore


The problem I have with that scenario is that you are saying his family (mother and sisters) are going to continue to deceive not only the public, but also Law Enforcement. That does not sound plausible to me. MOO of course [/*]

Perhaps they have notified the LE but if the missing person does not want to return or have contact with the spouse/family they, LE, are not obligated to inform them of this update. Nor would they necessarily take the time inform the public about it.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by isitme


Perhaps they have notified the LE but if the missing person does not want to return or have contact with the spouse/family they, LE, are not obligated to inform them of this update. Nor would they necessarily take the time inform the public about it. [/*]

That is what i was thinking. And to top that off a slow IT/web department for taking him off Missing Persons.

I found it interesting that the America's Most Wanted Missing file for him says unknown for both race and eye color.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by isitme


Perhaps they have notified the LE but if the missing person does not want to return or have contact with the spouse/family they, LE, are not obligated to inform them of this update. Nor would they necessarily take the time inform the public about it. [/*]

In that scenario though, if someone called the Sheriff's office and asked if it was an active case and still being investigated, wouldn't they be obligated to say truthfully that they are no longer investigating it? They wouldn't have to give a reason "why" perhaps, but would need to say that the case is closed.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I am basing my theory on what I feel, what I have heard from other sources and on my own experience looking for missing persons.

A good investigator looks at everything happening in an area where a person or persons have gone missing. They also don't discount any theory just because is sounds absurd.

For the record, I never said that I thought Nicholas was part of the small group of people responsible for the fires in Seattle. What I said was that he might have certain information that forced him to leave his home and family because he was in danger.

Remember, there are two missing men in the area who went missing at about the same time. I find this very relevant.

Also for the record, I feel constant postings about Christine is way off the subject. It is obvious that many people don't like or approve of her behavior. It is mean spirited and reflects badly on all the members of this forum.

As an example: Telling people to look at the pictures of her children and hinting that one of them may not have been fathered by Nicholas is absurb! Just how mean and cruel ARE some of you? [/*]

Hi Beth Englemen..

I was one of the ones that was adamant that their was no connection to ELF or the Street of Dreams five houses that were targeted.

This is why I think that too.. There was a trial staring in Tacoma for one of its members. There is also a couple of people that are members of ELF that are on trial in Oregon. I think they were making a statement to them as well as the obvious one that they wanted to make to the public and people involved with the homes. (those homes were thwarted to be more eco friendly than the average new home.. which made them a target to a group like this)PLUS.. Nicholas is a religious guy.. I just couldn't see him being affiliated with that group.

Sorry if I offended you. Wasn't meaning to.. just didn't see it as a possibility. You have to forgive me.. I am infected with the "everyone is entitled to their own opinion and mine" virus. Somedays it flairs up more than others.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


In that scenario though, if someone called the Sheriff's office and asked if it was an active case and still being investigated, wouldn't they be obligated to say truthfully that they are no longer investigating it? They wouldn't have to give a reason "why" perhaps, but would need to say that the case is closed. [/*]
That is true TTT.. they would say it was a closed case if asked. They wouldn't lie for the person about the case status.
We should call..

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


In that scenario though, if someone called the Sheriff's office and asked if it was an active case and still being investigated, wouldn't they be obligated to say truthfully that they are no longer investigating it? They wouldn't have to give a reason "why" perhaps, but would need to say that the case is closed. [/*]
That is true TTT.. they would say it was a closed case if asked. They wouldn't lie for the person about the case status.
We should call..

206-296-0970
Case # 08037211

[dianaelaine]

I was just cleaning my apartment (have to do it SOMETIME, I've let it go because of this case :tongue: Anyway, while vacuuming, I started to feel really sad for Christine. I remember when I was her age, I was very sensitive too, and depended very much on my husband. To be pregnant, have 2 small children, planning a life together, etc. .. then he's GONE .. out from under you, your whole life is changed. I felt really sad for her.

Also: Look how Beth Halloway stayed in the media and kept Natalie's picture and disappearance so prominent. She was very persistent, and VERY visible! Sadly, she hasn't been found yet, but at least I give Beth credit for all she did, and STILL does by the way.

So yeah, it's weird that it's been so quiet and not being kept out there. Even if they think he's dead somewhere, or kept captive, that's even MORE reason to find him.

And if he has contacted his mom, sisters, or somebody in the family, I truly think they would at least tell the LE and perhaps C, so she could rest a little bit, knowing he was alive. Unless he specified to them not to tell her, I think they would. But then again, you never know, he just might want her to continue to think he's missing. Just doesn't seem that would be the case.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by KindraLore


The problem I have with that scenario is that you are saying his family (mother and sisters) are going to continue to deceive not only the public, but also Law Enforcement. That does not sound plausible to me. MOO of course [/*]

and their churches and the people that are praying for his return? That doesn't seem likely to me either.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
I was just cleaning my apartment (have to do it SOMETIME, I've let it go because of this case :tongue: Anyway, while vacuuming, I started to feel really sad for Christine. I remember when I was her age, I was very sensitive too, and depended very much on my husband. To be pregnant, have 2 small children, planning a life together, etc. .. then he's GONE .. out from under you, your whole life is changed. I felt really sad for her.

Also: Look how Beth Halloway stayed in the media and kept Natalie's picture and disappearance so prominent. She was very persistent, and VERY visible! Sadly, she hasn't been found yet, but at least I give Beth credit for all she did, and STILL does by the way.

So yeah, it's weird that it's been so quiet and not being kept out there. Even if they think he's dead somewhere, or kept captive, that's even MORE reason to find him.

And if he has contacted his mom, sisters, or somebody in the family, I truly think they would at least tell the LE and perhaps C, so she could rest a little bit, knowing he was alive. Unless he specified to them not to tell her, I think they would. But then again, you never know, he just might want her to continue to think he's missing. Just doesn't seem that would be the case. [/*]

I could see him maybe contacting his mom or sisters and not CF but to tell them NOT to at least tell her that he's OK, would seem to me to be very, very heartless of him. Bad enough to run away but he surely wouldn't be cruel enough to do that to her to. Even if he was that cruel, if I were his mother or sister I would tell him no way am I going to lie for you, I would have to tell her. MOO of course.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I'll give you one better than Beth Holloway - Shawn Hornbeck's parents. They neverrrrrrrrrrrrr ever gave up accepting he was gone and dead and this went on for years.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I'll give you one better than Beth Holloway - Shawn Hornbeck's parents. They neverrrrrrrrrrrrr ever gave up accepting he was gone and dead and this went on for years. [/*]

Another thing about NF contacting his mom and telling her not to tell CF, I don't think she'd do that. She may not be crazy about Christine but those little ones are her grandbabies after all and I don't think she'd want them to be upset.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I'll give you one better than Beth Holloway - Shawn Hornbeck's parents. They neverrrrrrrrrrrrr ever gave up accepting he was gone and dead and this went on for years. [/*]

He was found, wasn't he?

Not sure I have the right case, but wasn't he kept by a man, and he got free?

[K Anne]

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i have 2 thoughts (well, probably 200 )

someone suggested that NF might be watching this thread. (We pretty much know CF is, because of her answering questions put forth here, on her F family site..)

1st thought..........
If indeed, NF is watching, how did he know about this thread...
...did he google himself, assuming he has access to a computer
...did someone tell him about this thread.....if so, who


2nd thought....i think i may have typed this in the first thread

If NF told CF he was leaving, i am quite sure she would not have said "oh, ok honey, sorry it didn't work out", something to that effect.....

she probably let him know that if he left, she would make his life a living hel*...and get him all over the news, and put up flyers, etc, etc, etc,. so he would not be able to go anywhere or do anything.....I can see her doing that...IMO, MOO
If indeed, C knew he was leaving, that could explain why everything is so quiet now.....
NOTE: I am keeping an open mind to the fact that he may have met with foul play.....
All thougths and ideas above are IMO and MOO, with no disrespect meant to anyone [/*]

hippie, how can you see CF doing that? This is a woman unknown to everyone on this board. I respect that the above is your opinion but we really are casting a lot of aspersion here on a young woman whose character we know only through bits and bytes. And I'll hazard a guess that almost no one here had even heard of her before 2/13 or whenever she put up notice that NF was gone.

I personally could not sum up another person's character flaws and probabilities based on having known them even up close and personal for less than a month.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by Curiouser


I could see him maybe contacting his mom or sisters and not CF but to tell them NOT to at least tell her that he's OK, would seem to me to be very, very heartless of him. Bad enough to run away but he surely wouldn't be cruel enough to do that to her to. Even if he was that cruel, if I were his mother or sister I would tell him no way am I going to lie for you, I would have to tell her. MOO of course. [/*]

I agree, I don't think he would tell them to keep it from her ... that would be really cruel.

[KindraLore]

If an adult goes missing on their on accord and volition it is true that there is nothing wrong with it. However, once it becomes a police investigation and man hours and tax paying dollars are allotted to finding that person, the dynamics of that all changes. If someone knows this and is keeping it from LE, I would think they could have legal issues stemming from it such as “obstruction of justice”.

In addition, I have never, ever heard of LE keeping from the public that they have found a missing person who is gone of their own volition. They would make a press statement saying something to the effect of “we have found Joe Smith. He left on his own accord”.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by n/t


I thought the same thing. Good Lord. We know almost everything about their private life except what happened to Nicholas. :confused: [/*]

This is a young couple who are tech-savvy and they live in the Seattle area (not to mention Microsoftland). Their wide web presence seems common enough to their age group and to tech-driven areas.

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Hi Beth Englemen..

I was one of the ones that was adamant that their was no connection to ELF or the Street of Dreams five houses that were targeted.

This is why I think that too.. There was a trial staring in Tacoma for one of its members. There is also a couple of people that are members of ELF that are on trial in Oregon. I think they were making a statement to them as well as the obvious one that they wanted to make to the public and people involved with the homes. (those homes were thwarted to be more eco friendly than the average new home.. which made them a target to a group like this)PLUS.. Nicholas is a religious guy.. I just couldn't see him being affiliated with that group.

Sorry if I offended you. Wasn't meaning to.. just didn't see it as a possibility. You have to forgive me.. I am infected with the "everyone is entitled to their own opinion and mine" virus. Somedays it flairs up more than others. [/*]

I second that. I said the alien thing, it although I was joking, it was hurtful. I do appolgize Beth E.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


He was found, wasn't he?

Not sure I have the right case, but wasn't he kept by a man, and he got free? [/*]

I hope I don't get in trouble for going off topic, but yes he was found after 8 years - had been kidnapped - only caught because another little boy Ben was kidnapped also - eye witness to Ben's abduction.

[isitme]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


In that scenario though, if someone called the Sheriff's office and asked if it was an active case and still being investigated, wouldn't they be obligated to say truthfully that they are no longer investigating it? They wouldn't have to give a reason "why" perhaps, but would need to say that the case is closed. [/*]

I believe so. We don't know if anyone has inquired about the status of the investigation do we?

[Musterion]

Originally posted by isitme
IMHO and MOO I that he, with or without aid from someone else, planned before hand or a spur of the moment decision he left on his own.

I also think that he has been in contact with someone, his mom and/or sister, or his best friend. But he may not want C to know that so they are keeping very quiet. To the extreme of not even reporting it to LE.

However there is the extreme possibility that C knows for a fact that he is alive and well but is not coming back to her and she is continuing the "search" for her own reasons.

Again this all MHO and MOO [/*]

The family could be so greif stricken that they are immobilized. They may not have anyone close to them advising them on the next step and may be waiting for LE to say what to do next.

If that is the case then it is good that there are people like this board who are keeping Nicholas' case alive.

Do we even know that his mother or sister's don't have personal web pages asking for help searching for Nicholas. I, personally, have not done a search on any of them to see if they do have sites of their own.

It might be helpful to contact the number offering the reward money and ask how the public can help further. Maybe all of us who are concerned could help by suggesting advertising on billboards around Nicholas' work on Queen Anne. And where Nicholas' car was found. Billboards can be the cheapest form of advertising and can yield alot of tips.

Just some thoughts.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by need2no
So we have a loving couple who are so connected they start and end together (or however CF put it), and she is home with 2 small children and another on the way (and has had a previous miscarriage), but NF forgot to mention she wouldn't be able to reach him after he left work since the cell phone battery was dead. If she had tried to reach him on the cell she surely would have mentioned "I tried to call him on his cell at work that day and thought he had it turned off, but he told me the battery was dead, and his co workers confirmed this."
[/*]

When I need to call my husband while he is at work, I call him at his desk phone. When he needs to call me while I am at work, he calls at my desk phone. Cell phones are for when you are on the road or in a meeting or otherwise not reachable by landline.

I hope I am not coming across as confrontational this morning, just would like to counter some of the natural thinking here with some alternate natural thinking.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by K Anne


hippie, how can you see CF doing that? This is a woman unknown to everyone on this board. I respect that the above is your opinion but we really are casting a lot of aspersion here on a young woman whose character we know only through bits and bytes. And I'll hazard a guess that almost no one here had even heard of her before 2/13 or whenever she put up notice that NF was gone.

I personally could not sum up another person's character flaws and probabilities based on having known them even up close and personal for less than a month. [/*]

I saw her on Etsy. I just didn't put her original Etsy name to her words until Envison brought up the chat room.

Some of you do not make a big deal of her (what i call) shilling between her new shop and Nick's. Nor do you think that is bad that she promoted him in the forums like she didn't know him. I find that in business, that is deceitful and does not match up to the Christian/religious wife others keep attaching to her. Those same sellers on Etsy who are praying for her and donating to her would have reported her to abuse@etsy if her husband never went missing and she was found out. She is also not disclosing her second shop as required by Etsy. She paints her own picture, MOO..

What about Moonlessnite? Did he/she say he knew them casually?

PS Moonlessnite -- did you realize that Nicholas's first web design business was Face of Moon? (before Francisco Design)

http://www.face-of-moon.net/

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by snowfield


I saw her on Etsy. I just didn't put her original Etsy name to her words until Envison brought up the chat room.

Some of you do not make a big deal of her (what i call) shilling between her new shop and Nick's. Nor do you think that is bad that she promoted him in the forums like she didn't know him. I find that in business, that is deceitful and does not match up to the Christian/religious wife others keep attaching to her. Those same sellers on Etsy who are praying for her and donating to her would have reported her to abuse@etsy if her husband never went missing and she was found out. She is also not disclosing her second shop as required by Etsy. She paints her own picture, MOO..

What about Moonlessnite? Did he/she say he knew them casually?

PS Moonlessnite -- did you realize that Nicholas's first web design business was Face of Moon? (before Francisco Design)

http://www.face-of-moon.net/ [/*]

In the sceme of things, or the big picture, how relavant is the fact that Christine bought a web design from Nick on Esty? I just don't get it I guess.

[isitme]

As for C not knowing he alive and well . . . like I said, she may know but has chosen to not reveal that fact for her own reasons. Perhaps everyone close to N knows he is Ok - just not us.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Musterion


The family could be so greif stricken that they are immobilized. They may not have anyone close to them advising them on the next step and may be waiting for LE to say what to do next.

If that is the case then it is good that there are people like this board who are keeping Nicholas' case alive.

Do we even know that his mother or sister's don't have personal web pages asking for help searching for Nicholas. I, personally, have not done a search on any of them to see if they do have sites of their own.

It might be helpful to contact the number offering the reward money and ask how the public can help further. Maybe all of us who are concerned could help by suggesting advertising on billboards around Nicholas' work on Queen Anne. And where Nicholas' car was found. Billboards can be the cheapest form of advertising and can yield alot of tips.

Just some thoughts. [/*]

I would think Christine would think we are the bad guys, and yes some of the posts would warrant that thinking. However, there have been some really good ideas put forth on here like checking the apartments next to the condos, stirring up the homeless community, keeping his name/face in front of the public. So I think your idea is wonderful and hopefully his best friend or his family/her family will do something like the Billboards. I still think adding his pic to her MySpace would help. It would just take her a few minutes.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by K Anne


When I need to call my husband while he is at work, I call him at his desk phone. When he needs to call me while I am at work, he calls at my desk phone. Cell phones are for when you are on the road or in a meeting or otherwise not reachable by landline.

I hope I am not coming across as confrontational this morning, just would like to counter some of the natural thinking here with some alternate natural thinking. [/*]

When I'm at work I do the same. Why use minutes when you don't have to, unless of course they are unlimitted. My neighbor in the next office however rarely uses his desk phone and his cell is always going off. I guess it depends on the person.

[desmom]

What if LE has backed off of this investigation because of some of the info they uncovered when talking to NF's friends? Would NF confide in a buddy he was leaving or why he was leaving?

Has Christine checked their home? Is anything missing like clothes or camping gear?

[field of snow]

Originally posted by Musterion


The family could be so greif stricken that they are immobilized. [/*]

Friends, too? Coworkers? I've never seen so many people immobilized and not doing something if they truly believe someone is missing and not voluntarily. These aren't computer-unfriendly folk.

I am a pretty good "Googler" on top of using Google Alerts. There is nothing being done to find him or his body, especially when compared to the first week and a half.

James Kim's dad didn't wait for LE when he hired his own helicopters. His friends and family were searching non-stop no matter what LE did.

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman



BTW: have there been in unusual lights in the Seattle area night sky? [/*]

:lol: Now thats funny Beth E!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by snowfield


Friends, too? Coworkers? I've never seen so many people immobilized and not doing something if they truly believe someone is missing and not voluntarily. These aren't computer-unfriendly folk.

I am a pretty good "Googler" on top of using Google Alerts. There is nothing being done to find him or his body, especially when compared to the first week and a half.

James Kim's dad didn't wait for LE when he hired his own helicopters. His friends and family were searching non-stop no matter what LE did. [/*]

Another good example.

[kpb]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I hope I don't get in trouble for going off topic, but yes he was found after 8 years - had been kidnapped - only caught because another little boy Ben was kidnapped also - eye witness to Ben's abduction. [/*]

Shawn was found after 4 years I believe. The eye witness to Ben's abduction (a 15 y/o boy) had the vehicle the kidnapper (Michael Devlin) memorized to a T. He gave excellent description and the vehicle was recognized in a Kirkwood, MO apartment complex. When the police went in and found Ben in the apartment, they asked the other boy to identify himself and he said,"Shawn Hornbeck."

I think Ben had only been missing a week. Shawn was 11 I believe when he was kidnapped and was 15 when found. He had even seen his Missing picture posted on a bench outside of Wal-Mart right by the apartment complex.

Sorry OT too.

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Regarding the cell phone that NF got a discount through work. When I got my phone, Verizon came out to my job and signed people up. We got a discount for signing up at work, but the bill came to me and no paperwork at all went to my employer.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by huskiki


When I'm at work I do the same. Why use minutes when you don't have to, unless of course they are unlimitted. My neighbor in the next office however rarely uses his desk phone and his cell is always going off. I guess it depends on the person. [/*]

My minutes are free when talking to my husband, who uses the same provider. And most companies have this now.

I don't even know his office phone off the top of my head now (Which is probably not a good idea).

[K Anne]

Originally posted by snowfield
Even if LE is on vacation and the media doesn't care, why doesn't his family and friends? Everything (except her updates) seems to have stopped at Feb 26. His best friend could be posting regular updates about searches or where flyers have been posted or where "missing notices" need to be posted online like the Craigslist that TTT just updated.

Where are her friends and family?

[/*]

I keep trying to answer this in my own imaginings and honestly if same event happened in my life, if it were up to me to keep up the search and updates, it would all drop off pretty quickly because of factors like energy level, emotionalism, confusion, discouragement, finances, time, and lack of support. In other words it really would have to be a banded effort maintained by other family members or coworkers or such. Not because of my feelings about it but because someone has to mother my children (that would be me), and because after mothering my children, I need at least a little time to myself, to recuperate.

Plus she's only known him so many years. Let the people who have known him his entire life put in a more significant effort. Does that make sense?

That final question, tho, where are her friends and family. Where ARE her friends and family? That is not suspicious to me but it makes me feel really sad. She seems very alone.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by need2no


I would have to disagree about the cell phone, especially if he was planning to leave. I'd bet he used the iphone for numerous purposes every single day and wouldn't dream of living it behind.
In fact I'm inclined to believe the battery wasn't dead at all...he simply removed it to make it appear to be dead. [/*]

Mmm. That totally makes sense too.

To whoever said guys with iPhones are so geeky about it, you're right, I forgot that this was no ordinary cellphone!!

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by K Anne


I keep trying to answer this in my own imaginings and honestly if same event happened in my life, if it were up to me to keep up the search and updates, it would all drop off pretty quickly because of factors like energy level, emotionalism, confusion, discouragement, finances, time, and lack of support. In other words it really would have to be a banded effort maintained by other family members or coworkers or such. Not because of my feelings about it but because someone has to mother my children (that would be me), and because after mothering my children, I need at least a little time to myself, to recuperate.

Plus she's only known him so many years. Let the people who have known him his entire life put in a more significant effort. Does that make sense?

That final question, tho, where are her friends and family. Where ARE her friends and family? That is not suspicious to me but it makes me feel really sad. She seems very alone. [/*]

Right, the only mention of any of her family members is when someone on Etsy talked to her sister about the need for money. Are they deceased or living far, far away?

[field of snow]

Originally posted by Curiouser


Right, the only mention of any of her family members is when someone on Etsy talked to her sister about the need for money. Are they deceased or living far, far away? [/*]

Her mom and (stepdad?) appear to be in several photos on her flickr. And her sister, too. I don't know where they live though. Were anyone of them seen talking to the news or just NF's family?

[K Anne]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Need2no - exactly - which is why his support group needs to be saturating the public with his picture. It seems they had no problem being all over the internet before with pics, blogs, etc., so why not now. Its so frustrating because it seems so much more could be being done. [/*]

What if saturating the public with his photo has the effect of turning his face into something ordinary, you know how if you leave a pile of clutter on a table, you wince everytime you pass it for the first week or so and then, if you don't tend to it, it just goes invisible, part of the landscape.

Maybe it is more savvy somehow to let it die down while detective is on vacation, then renew efforts maybe with different flyer, different photos, on 3/13 when investigator is back on the case?

[RainyNiteNTx]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kpb


Shawn was found after 4 years I believe. The eye witness to Ben's abduction (a 15 y/o boy) had the vehicle the kidnapper (Michael Devlin) memorized to a T. He gave excellent description and the vehicle was recognized in a Kirkwood, MO apartment complex. When the police went in and found Ben in the apartment, they asked the other boy to identify himself and he said,"Shawn Hornbeck."

I think Ben had only been missing a week. Shawn was 11 I believe when he was kidnapped and was 15 when found. He had even seen his Missing picture posted on a bench outside of Wal-Mart right by the apartment complex.

Sorry OT too.

kpb - my mistake - typing too fast while at work - you're right about the years missing.

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[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by K Anne


I keep trying to answer this in my own imaginings and honestly if same event happened in my life, if it were up to me to keep up the search and updates, it would all drop off pretty quickly because of factors like energy level, emotionalism, confusion, discouragement, finances, time, and lack of support. In other words it really would have to be a banded effort maintained by other family members or coworkers or such. Not because of my feelings about it but because someone has to mother my children (that would be me), and because after mothering my children, I need at least a little time to myself, to recuperate.

Plus she's only known him so many years. Let the people who have known him his entire life put in a more significant effort. Does that make sense?

That final question, tho, where are her friends and family. Where ARE her friends and family? That is not suspicious to me but it makes me feel really sad. She seems very alone. [/*]

Nicholas is the one that is alone IMO.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by K Anne


What if saturating the public with his photo has the effect of turning his face into something ordinary, you know how if you leave a pile of clutter on a table, you wince everytime you pass it for the first week or so and then, if you don't tend to it, it just goes invisible, part of the landscape.

Maybe it is more savvy somehow to let it die down while detective is on vacation, then renew efforts maybe with different flyer, different photos, on 3/13 when investigator is back on the case? [/*]

That could/would work - my concern is he is needing help somewhere and two weeks would be an eternity.

[dianaelaine]

Has anybody called the number that was posted, to find out if the case is still being worked on?

[K Anne]

Originally posted by snowfield


That is what i was thinking. And to top that off a slow IT/web department for taking him off Missing Persons.

I found it interesting that the America's Most Wanted Missing file for him says unknown for both race and eye color. [/*]

I think a lot of media coverage was driven by other people's efforts, coworkers or church community or Etsy teams. Someone here posted to Craigslist, right? People asking news sites to cover this item won't necessarily know all the facts about Nicholas, mainly what they know for sure is his name and that he's missing.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by K Anne


I think a lot of media coverage was driven by other people's efforts, coworkers or church community or Etsy teams. Someone here posted to Craigslist, right? People asking news sites to cover this item won't necessarily know all the facts about Nicholas, mainly what they know for sure is his name and that he's missing. [/*]

AMW wouldn't look at/research the official police report before posting information about a case? I would think that would be dangerous for sites like that (and other media) to rely soley on friends' reports and not official reports. Moo.

[RainyNiteNTx]

SeaTac is an abbreviation for two cities, right? Seattle and Tacoma? Is there also a community that calls itself SeaTac?

[isitme]

Regarding C's parents - it appears that they were living, and perhaps in the area, back in Dec. 2006. Go to her post titled "Brrrrrrrr" here

http://thefranciscos.com/

[K Anne]

Originally posted by desmom
What if LE has backed off of this investigation because of some of the info they uncovered when talking to NF's friends? Would NF confide in a buddy he was leaving or why he was leaving?

Has Christine checked their home? Is anything missing like clothes or camping gear? [/*]

I wondered that too -- is he the camping/hiking/fishing type?

Don't you think that if LE knew what was going on, *someone* on the investigation would tip off the news teams? Do investigators have some sort of parallel to doctor-patient confidentiality?!

I mean this story had nationwide coverage. How could LE know he was safe and sound and not let the rest of the viewing country know about that.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by K Anne


I wondered that too -- is he the camping/hiking/fishing type?

Don't you think that if LE knew what was going on, *someone* on the investigation would tip off the news teams? Do investigators have some sort of parallel to doctor-patient confidentiality?!

I mean this story had nationwide coverage. How could LE know he was safe and sound and not let the rest of the viewing country know about that. [/*]

If Nellie was here I think she could confirm that when the pastor's wife was found (Beth), they only told the family she was safe and they urged her to call her family.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Nicholas is the one that is alone IMO. [/*]

Fa. If Nicholas left of his own volition, Nicholas CHOSE to be alone.

My sympathy for him waxes and wanes.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by K Anne


Fa. If Nicholas left of his own volition, Nicholas CHOSE to be alone.

My sympathy for him waxes and wanes. [/*]

What does Fa mean? He could also be the victim of foul play, therefore might need help in some way.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by isitme
Regarding C's parents - it appears that they were living, and perhaps in the area, back in Dec. 2006. Go to her post titled "Brrrrrrrr" here

http://thefranciscos.com/ [/*]

Oh yeah, I read that. Thank you.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


That could/would work - my concern is he is needing help somewhere and two weeks would be an eternity. [/*]

If he's been abducted, ok, maybe that changes things. But it's already been well longer than two weeks. If he was somewhere needing help -- i.e. an accident or injury -- he's probably dead. :(

[truecrimejunkie]

Originally posted by K Anne


Fa. If Nicholas left of his own volition, Nicholas CHOSE to be alone.

My sympathy for him waxes and wanes. [/*]

I absolutely agree -

Choosing to be alone - abandoning your children and wife you have committed to - no matter why - is a VERY different situation that

Being abandoned - alone with children your partner helped create then left, abandoned by someone who promised to be with you in good times and bad. And divorce is one thing - but to run out wihtout ANY answers? That IS cowardly in my book.

if nicholas left on his own - obviously he felt desperate and in a bad spot - but he won't get sympathy from me - Christine will.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Musterion


[respectully snipped]

It might be helpful to contact the number offering the reward money and ask how the public can help further. Maybe all of us who are concerned could help by suggesting advertising on billboards around Nicholas' work on Queen Anne. And where Nicholas' car was found. Billboards can be the cheapest form of advertising and can yield alot of tips. [/*]

Billboards are a great idea and in several cases that I followed, Naomi Arnette and Brandi Laureant, the billboard companies donated the billboard space. In Naomi's case, it was like 40 billboards around the area and in Brandi's case, it was around 10. The billboard companies even placed them around the area where they thought they would get the most exposure, i.e. major thoroughfares. The family should definitely look into this. I know in the Brandi Laureant case, a poster here contacted the outdoor company and got them rolling . . . probably had to be approved by family though.

[ThruTheTrees]

Today I posted a comment on Nicholas's best friend's family blog asking whether they had heard from him. I see that there is now a new post that states that they haven't heard from him, and they also appealed to him to get in touch with someone if he is ok.

http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
Today I posted a comment on Nicholas's best friend's family blog asking whether they had heard from him. I see that there is now a new post that states that they haven't heard from him, and they also appealed to him to get in touch with someone if he is ok.

http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/ [/*]

Good deal!!

[huskiki]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
Today I posted a comment on Nicholas's best friend's family blog asking whether they had heard from him. I see that there is now a new post that states that they haven't heard from him, and they also appealed to him to get in touch with someone if he is ok.

http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/ [/*]

Good work!

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by huskiki


Good work! [/*]

Thanks, they seem like straightforward people who wouldn't say they haven't heard from him, if they really have.

3 weeks today... sigh. Not knowing is hard, even for those of us who don't even know him. I still want to believe that he is ok, somewhere.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


If Nellie was here I think she could confirm that when the pastor's wife was found (Beth), they only told the family she was safe and they urged her to call her family. [/*]


They did inform the family and urged her to call home but they also DID report to the media that she had been located, was safe, was choosing not to return, and was urged to contact the family. The media in turn, reported this to the public.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Breazy



They did inform the family and urged her to call home but they also DID report to the media that she had been located, was safe, was choosing not to return, and was urged to contact the family. The media in turn, reported this to the public. [/*]

Thanks Breazy - thats good to know.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thanks Breazy - thats good to know. [/*]


YW -- I think if someone has been reported as missing to the public then there is a moral obligation to report they have been located whether it was of their own doing or not.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


I do not believe he is injured or dead. However, there is a theory that contradicts this.

Someone who is lurking contacted me to say that they believe that we should look to who would benefit if he should have an accident or was murdered.

With enough money as a pay-off, accidents or murder can be arranged, people can be hired and evidence can disappear.

Who would want this man dead and who would profit? [/*]

After thinking about this...

It would depend on if there was a life insurance policy in place, who was the beneficiary, and if they found his body. (I hate typing that)

[n/t]

Wow, I just noticed she added this to her list. She sounds very angry.

*though it’s none of your business Nicholas was on a studio salary and not on an art director salary as he was up for his raise in the coming months. he was promoted last summer to the art director position.

http://thefranciscos.com/

[huskiki]

Originally posted by n/t
Wow, I just noticed she added this to her list. She sounds very angry.

*though it’s none of your business Nicholas was on a studio salary and not on an art director salary as he was up for his raise in the coming months. he was promoted last summer to the art director position.

http://thefranciscos.com/ [/*]


I agree. Everything she does has an angry undertone.

AND ...I know some will say of course she's angry because all that's being said about the situation. BUT ...she doesn't have to read it. IMO JMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki



I agree. Everything she does has an angry undertone.

AND ...I know some will say of course she's angry because all that's being said about the situation. BUT ...she doesn't have to read it. IMO JMO [/*]

I'm sure she is very frustrated which sometimes comes across as anger. The problem I have with that statement is that she is the one that put the money issue out there through her sister and friends. The money issue that has been discussed has not had anything to do with what Nicholas made in his job.

[dianaelaine]

OK, I just posted a comment on Christine's blog.

http://thefranciscos.com/2008/03/03/get-the-facts/

Hopefully, we'll hear something.

Has anybody called the number given yet?

[huskiki]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
OK, I just posted a comment on Christine's blog.

http://thefranciscos.com/2008/03/03/get-the-facts/

Hopefully, we'll hear something.

Has anybody called the number given yet? [/*]

Wow Diana, you have done what I wanted to do but didn't have the guts. I hope you hear back.

I haven't called.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
OK, I just posted a comment on Christine's blog.

http://thefranciscos.com/2008/03/03/get-the-facts/

Hopefully, we'll hear something.

Has anybody called the number given yet? [/*]

I just did. That number is for police agencies only; they will not give you any info; please don't call it.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


Most Company benefits include insurance especially Life Insurance for the surviving spouse and children. It's part of the package of employee benefits. [/*]


Yes, I have benefits like that but I selected the beneficiary. My guess is he would have selected his wife. :shrug:

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by n/t
Wow, I just noticed she added this to her list. She sounds very angry.

*though it’s none of your business Nicholas was on a studio salary and not on an art director salary as he was up for his raise in the coming months. he was promoted last summer to the art director position.

http://thefranciscos.com/ [/*]

I saw that the other day -- my guess is that it is in response to a post someone made on websleuths saying that according to some info he had found, art directors at ad agencies make $75K-$100K a year. I took it that she was trying to say he makes much less than that.

Her comment about not including information that doesn't pertain to the case is interesting because at least this detail -- his salary -- doesn't seem to relate to finding him or why he would have disappeared.

[n/t]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I'm sure she is very frustrated which sometimes comes across as anger. The problem I have with that statement is that she is the one that put the money issue out there through her sister and friends. The money issue that has been discussed has not had anything to do with what Nicholas made in his job. [/*]

She won't get any sympathy if she continues this way, imo.

Even if she's frustrated, there is a way to address issues brought up in the media and/or by total strangers who care and want her husband found.

Why is she so defensive?

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by Snowbird


Actually, I have not heard any OTHER possibility than he just left because of Christine explored. I don't understand why so many are stuck on demeaning everything she does. She has probably never been to a crime blog before and did not know what to do when NK went missing. So she notified all their friends and co-workers and they have plastered web sites with his information. When I goggle his name i got 12,533 hits. They have done a very good job of getting his image and story online. I do not understand all the criticism so what if he is not all over craigslist. What is so special about craigslist?

It is possible they are waiting for evidence from his car at the crime lab, who knows at this point plus I am sure LE has told them to not give out everything they know to the public.

Also about the iphone, isn't it made by Sony? Sony is a client of Publicis and NF most likely either got a large discount or even a free product.

Is it just because there is not any thing new in the case that we only have to come up with gossip about Christine to solve the case. Sorry but just voicing my opinion. [/*]

Well I completely agree with you, but that being said, that means most others here will not..lol.

:seeya:

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Snowbird


Also about the iphone, isn't it made by Sony? Sony is a client of Publicis and NF most likely either got a large discount or even a free product.

[/*]

iPhones are made by Apple.

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by n/t


She won't get any sympathy if she continues this way, imo.

Even if she's frustrated, there is a way to address issues brought up in the media and/or by total strangers who care and want her husband found.

Why is she so defensive? [/*]

Probably because people have posted every nasty thought imaginable all over the internet about her. IDK. If it was me, I would probably be a lot more angry than that.

[n/t]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I saw that the other day -- my guess is that it is in response to a post someone made on websleuths saying that according to some info he had found, art directors at ad agencies make $75K-$100K a year. I took it that she was trying to say he makes much less than that.

Her comment about not including information that doesn't pertain to the case is interesting because at least this detail -- his salary -- doesn't seem to relate to finding him or why he would have disappeared. [/*]

I agree. That was a very bizarre statement to make and she could've addressed it one on one with whomever posted it on websleuths or whatever site.

If she lurks here, I truly hope she starts posting with us. Maybe she'll realize that we're only trying to help out in trying to find out what may have happened to Nicholas.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
OK, I just posted a comment on Christine's blog.

http://thefranciscos.com/2008/03/03/get-the-facts/

Hopefully, we'll hear something.

Has anybody called the number given yet? [/*]

I wonder if your comment will actually get posted there -- it seems she is moderating the comments and only adding the ones she wants to post.

At least I am not seeing it yet. But of course Christine will receive it and maybe answer in her own way.

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


Maybe this is the only way of coping and making it through a difficult time. It won't cost you much in effort to give her a little space and not condemn her. [/*]

Wow Beth E. While I don't agree with everything that you have said, I have certainly grown to respect you. Glad you made it back here to the boards!

[K Anne]

About CF coming across as angry,

That's why I asked days ago whether others here had been through similar abandonments or sudden loss, foul play, etc.

CF has every RIGHT to be angry. Not least because so many strangers are openly discussing private details of her family life -- please don't argue that she disclosed them to the public so it's ok, it's still *her* life and pretty much everyone here has judged her harshly while she is trying to make it through each minute of each day that her husband has been gone.

If you were in her position, asking for help, and found discussions like this in progress in which you were being dragged through the mud for any aspect of your character or presentation, by people you'd never even met, wouldn't you be pissed too? If you were in her position, and your spouse had left you without any support or explanation, wouldn't you be pissed?

I WOULD BE CRAZY PISSED.

Whether she is pissed or grieving or faking or whatever, she is in a *terrible* position and it is totally not right to pick that apart and say it makes her suspicious. People in sincere crisis do not behave in any predictable way except unpredictably.

Christine if you *are* reading these boards, I hope you are able to distill the genuine effort to make sense of what's going on in your life, and reject out of hand all the rest. Please disregard anything you perceive as meanness, judgment, projection, contempt, or outright horsesh*t. Some of us here most heartfully want to see your family and marriage restored as quickly as possible. I hope there is *something* in these discussions that helps you to find your husband, for then it will all have been worth the time and argument.

[mc528]

Originally posted by K Anne


I wondered that too -- is he the camping/hiking/fishing type?

[/*]


According to the limited information he filled out on his Classmates.com profile, his interests include camping. There were also several pictures on both his and Christines' Flickr sites that referenced camping trips.

http://www.classmates.com/profile/user/view/story/qanda?registrationId=67413201#profileMain

[field of snow]

Originally posted by Snowbird


Actually, I have not heard any OTHER possibility than he just left because of Christine explored. I don't understand why so many are stuck on demeaning everything she does. She has probably never been to a crime blog before and did not know what to do when NK went missing.

Actually, if you bother to go back, there are many ideas that have nothing to do with Christine. Maybe you are too stuck on that idea yourself to see we HAVE talked about other scenarios.


It is possible they are waiting for evidence from his car at the crime lab, who knows at this point plus I am sure LE has told them to not give out everything they know to the public.


That doesn't mean people stop looking. Please.


Also about the iphone, isn't it made by Sony? Sony is a client of Publicis and NF most likely either got a large discount or even a free product.


Apple makes the iPhones. That is easily researched before posting, if not already known.


Is it just because there is not any thing new in the case that we only have to come up with gossip about Christine to solve the case. Sorry but just voicing my opinion. [/*]

I don't care if there is nothing new in the case. I am am interested in the fact that there appears to be no action to search for him. Screw waiting for the cops and crime labs to do anything.

Moo..

[n/t]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


Maybe this is the only way of coping and making it through a difficult time. It won't cost you much in effort to give her a little space and not condemn her. [/*]

Me? Codemn her? Ummm....you'll see that I've always taken her side.

Codemn is a harsh word, btw. I would hardly say that giving my opinion about her statement is codemning her.

Like I said. I was surprised by the tone of that post. That's all.:rolleyes:

[field of snow]

Originally posted by Beth


I don't see anything posted on it, Dianaelaine. Has it been removed or am I not seeing things again? :) [/*]

She probably removed it.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i just called and she said she can't give out any information...
she said "are you family...who are you" and i said i was a concerned semi friend, and would like to know it there was anything new on the case, and i said "i'm tired of taking anxiety pills, not knowing what is going on",( just threw that out there to her)....she sounded real sincere and said , "i'm sorry honey, i just can't give out any information".....

i asked if there was another # i could call, and she said no.

she also asked where i got her #, i told her online...she said that # was for police use, or something to that effect [/*]


It was a good effort!

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i just called and she said she can't give out any information...
she said "are you family...who are you" and i said i was a concerned semi friend, and would like to know it there was anything new on the case, and i said "i'm tired of taking anxiety pills, not knowing what is going on",( just threw that out there to her)....she sounded real sincere and said , "i'm sorry honey, i just can't give out any information".....

i asked if there was another # i could call, and she said no.

she also asked where i got her #, i told her online...she said that # was for police use, or something to that effect [/*]

Man, you got nerve! LOL

[huskiki]

Originally posted by snowfield


She probably removed it. [/*]

Or is it awaiting moderation? Some people screen their comments before posting, in which case it was probably deleted after that.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Snowbird


Actually, I have not heard any OTHER possibility than he just left because of Christine explored.

[snip]

Is it just because there is not any thing new in the case that we only have to come up with gossip about Christine to solve the case. Sorry but just voicing my opinion. [/*]

I've read every page of this discussion, and yesterday's, and the 60+ page original thread. I have seen a lot of "OTHER" possibilities mentioned and explored other than "he just left because of Christine." LOTS!

I also don't see that people are "only" coming up with gossip about Christine. There have been a variety of ideas offered. I guess I don't really understand how comments like those above will lead to positive discussions here, any more than the gossip that you are complaining about?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by n/t


Me? Codemn her? Ummm....you'll see that I've always taken her side.

Codemn is a harsh word, btw. I would hardly say that giving my opinion about her statement is codemning her.

Like I said. I was surprised by the tone of that post. That's all.:rolleyes: [/*]

I don't understand the word condemn either. It seems if people DO have an opinion about C, that is condemening. However, if people speculate about N leaving his family, that is not condemning.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by Beth


I don't see anything posted on it, Dianaelaine. Has it been removed or am I not seeing things again? :) [/*]

It's there ... at least I'm seeing it. This is what I wrote:

----------------------------------------------

Christine:

You have many people online that are trying to help find Nicholas, we are all very puzzled and concerned.

If you can find the time, or if somebody in your family can take a minute, please let us know:

Has anybody in the family heard from him?

Even though the detective is on vacation, are they still actively pursuing this?

Perhaps you can contact a billboard company, that might donate space to put Nicholas’ picture up?

Is his picture on MySpace? Another idea, that might help.

We all hope he is safe and you are taking care of yourself.

Hugs,
April

[huskiki]

I'm going to post about Nicholas on my blog later tonight. I don't know what I'll post, probably that he's missing and then list some of the questions we have been pondering. If you have any buring questions PM me and I'll add them to the list. If nothing else it's more exposure.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I've read every page of this discussion, and yesterday's, and the 60+ page original thread. I have seen a lot of "OTHER" possibilities mentioned and explored other than "he just left because of Christine." LOTS!

I also don't see that people are "only" coming up with gossip about Christine. There have been a variety of ideas offered. I guess I don't really understand how comments like those above will lead to positive discussions here, any more than the gossip that you are complaining about? [/*]

Same here - my first post was on Page One of this forum and there has been a multitude of theories discussed.

[Maranatha]

I emailed the reporter who was covering Nic for the Seattle Times, asking if there was any news at all, even if only so little news that nothing could be published.

Here's her reply:

HI ****, Unfortunately, there is no new news about Mr. Francisco. A colleague of mine is writing a story for tomorrow about his wife and what she is now facing. Very sad. Thank you so much for caring about him and taking the time to write. Best wishes, Christine Clarridge

Just an FYI.

[n/t]

Originally posted by K Anne
About CF coming across as angry,

That's why I asked days ago whether others here had been through similar abandonments or sudden loss, foul play, etc.

CF has every RIGHT to be angry. Not least because so many strangers are openly discussing private details of her family life -- please don't argue that she disclosed them to the public so it's ok, it's still *her* life and pretty much everyone here has judged her harshly while she is trying to make it through each minute of each day that her husband has been gone.

If you were in her position, asking for help, and found discussions like this in progress in which you were being dragged through the mud for any aspect of your character or presentation, by people you'd never even met, wouldn't you be pissed too? If you were in her position, and your spouse had left you without any support or explanation, wouldn't you be pissed?

I WOULD BE CRAZY PISSED.

Whether she is pissed or grieving or faking or whatever, she is in a *terrible* position and it is totally not right to pick that apart and say it makes her suspicious. People in sincere crisis do not behave in any predictable way except unpredictably.

Christine if you *are* reading these boards, I hope you are able to distill the genuine effort to make sense of what's going on in your life, and reject out of hand all the rest. Please disregard anything you perceive as meanness, judgment, projection, contempt, or outright horsesh*t. Some of us here most heartfully want to see your family and marriage restored as quickly as possible. I hope there is *something* in these discussions that helps you to find your husband, for then it will all have been worth the time and argument. [/*]

If you're referring to me. I never said it made her look suspicious because of that statement. Again, I was just very surprised by the tone.

BTW, she has a choice not to answer and ignore whatever is being said out there. She decided she needed to so all I'm saying is if she decided to do so, maybe there is a way to do it without coming across bitter.

That's all.

[Track292003]

I think the idea of posting Nicholas's picture on billboards is great! And, since his employer - Publicis - is an advertising agency, that should be fairly easy to arrange.

[dianaelaine]

Are none of you seeing my post here:

http://thefranciscos.com/2008/03/03/get-the-facts/

Edited to say: I just noticed it says:

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

[KindraLore]

Originally posted by Maranantha
I emailed the reporter who was covering Nic for the Seattle Times, asking if there was any news at all, even if only so little news that nothing could be published.

Here's her reply:

HI ****, Unfortunately, there is no new news about Mr. Francisco. A colleague of mine is writing a story for tomorrow about his wife and what she is now facing. Very sad. Thank you so much for caring about him and taking the time to write. Best wishes, Christine Clarridge

Just an FYI. [/*]

Thank you Maranantha! Let us know if you hear anything else!

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Maranantha
I emailed the reporter who was covering Nic for the Seattle Times, asking if there was any news at all, even if only so little news that nothing could be published.

Here's her reply:

HI ****, Unfortunately, there is no new news about Mr. Francisco. A colleague of mine is writing a story for tomorrow about his wife and what she is now facing. Very sad. Thank you so much for caring about him and taking the time to write. Best wishes, Christine Clarridge

Just an FYI. [/*]

Thanks for the heads-up, I am glad to hear they are doing a follow-up story.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Track292003
I think the idea of posting Nicholas's picture on billboards is great! And, since his employer - Publicis - is an advertising agency, that should be fairly easy to arrange. [/*]

Also the ads on the side of the bus (not sure what they are called) would be good. Maybe Metro (the bus system) could also donate ads. I wonder if anyone from Publicis reads these boards and sees these ideas. Maybe worth posting on their search blog: http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com?

anyone?

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Maranantha
I emailed the reporter who was covering Nic for the Seattle Times, asking if there was any news at all, even if only so little news that nothing could be published.

Here's her reply:

HI ****, Unfortunately, there is no new news about Mr. Francisco. A colleague of mine is writing a story for tomorrow about his wife and what she is now facing. Very sad. Thank you so much for caring about him and taking the time to write. Best wishes, Christine Clarridge

Just an FYI. [/*]

:seeya: Maranantha

I tried to PM you back last night but your mail box was full..



Been on and off of here today.. corporates are due on the 15th and I have been sitting here for weeks and not doing anything. Now I am starting to stress...but did I read someone called the number I gave or was it another. I just got that one off the Washington State Missing Adults website. That is strange that they put it there if they don't want people to call it. :shrug: Sorry.

[mc528]

I keep trying to reconcile in my mind why NF company hired a PI to find him. I know that from what has been posted in various places that he was well liked, and had been an employee there for about 6 years. But the hiring of a PI by the company, still to me doesn't add up. He wasn't a high level executive, and there was no reason at the time the PI was hired, to believe that the local LE wouldn't find him.

If they hired one, just because of care and concern, then why would it be thought that his paychecks would suddenly stop - causing the desperate need for immediate $. A company caring enough to foot the bill for a PI isn't going to cease paying that missing person's salary instantly.

I can't find, in the thousands of posts in multiple threads, the first instance that it was made known that Publicis hired a PI. Maybe someone else has the link where that was referenced. Was it just over on one of the Etsy threads, or is there also a reference on the one of the friends/family sites? Do we know if it truly was Publicis as a company hiring them, or was it concerned co-workers themselves, on their own? Also, why is there no mention of a PI on CF's latest blog post about the "facts" of the case? I find that omission strange.

MOO/JMO/IMO:confused:

[Maranatha]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


:seeya: Maranantha

I tried to PM you back last night but your mail box was full..



Been on and off of here today.. corporates are due on the 15th and I have been sitting here for weeks and not doing anything. Now I am starting to stress...but did I read someone called the number I gave or was it another. I just got that one off the Washington State Missing Adults website. That is strange that they put it there if they don't want people to call it. :shrug: Sorry. [/*]

:seeya: Its empty now, sorry about that.

That is odd about the number, what's the point of having a contact number?

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Maranantha
I emailed the reporter who was covering Nic for the Seattle Times, asking if there was any news at all, even if only so little news that nothing could be published.

Here's her reply:

HI ****, Unfortunately, there is no new news about Mr. Francisco. A colleague of mine is writing a story for tomorrow about his wife and what she is now facing. Very sad. Thank you so much for caring about him and taking the time to write. Best wishes, Christine Clarridge

Just an FYI. [/*]

When you emailed the reporter, did you mention your connection to this board, or send a link to it? It might be for a different story than the one they are doing now, but I think a good reporter should be aware of the high level of interest in this case online and all these discussions, the fact that there is so much information about the family online, and even some of the concerns about the fundraising aspect. The whole Internet facet of this case could be a story itself. Reporters have limited time, of course, but reading through these boards should be a part of their research, IMO.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I agree, there have been very good posts when people stay on subject.

Since you have read all the posts is there anything NOT addressed? [/*]

Yes, but it is far fetched. As much as her picture was on the internet, maybe someone became infatuated with her and did something to Nicholas.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I don't understand the word condemn either. It seems if people DO have an opinion about C, that is condemening. However, if people speculate about N leaving his family, that is not condemning. [/*]

Suggesting CF is a harpy, self-obsessed, overbearing, narcissistic drama queen, IMO, qualifies as condemnation.

Those of you who have called her names or used unseemly adjectives in reference to her, ;) you could always go back and edit the nasty comments out of all your posts. Otherwise, own that you disparaged her, and don't pretend innocence about it.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman


Good theory...... no one has brought that up ! Let's discuss, shall we? [/*]

Well people keep wondering why HIM - just this random guy in a beatup car....so I tried to think what was special about him - maybe it was Christine.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Maranantha
I emailed the reporter who was covering Nic for the Seattle Times, asking if there was any news at all, even if only so little news that nothing could be published.

Here's her reply:

HI ****, Unfortunately, there is no new news about Mr. Francisco. A colleague of mine is writing a story for tomorrow about his wife and what she is now facing. Very sad. Thank you so much for caring about him and taking the time to write. Best wishes, Christine Clarridge

Just an FYI. [/*]

This is going to be an article on what Christine is now facing. Again, it's all about Christine. hammer

IMO JMO MOOOOOOOOO

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
We know that they recently left the church and maybe there was someone that wanted to be more than friends and thought they might have a chance with Nicholas out of the way.

Comments? [/*]

It's possible, she's an attractive woman. It would be a good reason to leave the church.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by n/t


If you're referring to me. I never said it made her look suspicious because of that statement. Again, I was just very surprised by the tone.

BTW, she has a choice not to answer and ignore whatever is being said out there. She decided she needed to so all I'm saying is if she decided to do so, maybe there is a way to do it without coming across bitter.

That's all. [/*]

n/t, and everyone, I am not pointing fingers. There is a general level of misgiving or hostility or judgment or contempt toward the abandoned wife and anyone who has posted "against" her knows that they have. I am asking for a little more grace toward a young woman in crisis.

Some of the things said here and on other discussions leave seriously *no* room for anything but a negative or defensive response.

[RainyNiteNTx]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Beth Engleman
We know that they recently left the church and maybe there was someone that wanted to be more than friends and thought they might have a chance with Nicholas out of the way.



Hmm something to ponder especially with C not wanting anything to do with the church in spite of their help.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I agree, there have been very good posts when people stay on subject.

Since you have read all the posts is there anything NOT addressed? [/*]

Hi, I'm not sure if this was meant for me but I did say something about reading all the posts, so maybe. As far as anything not addressed, I think there is a lot of re-hashing, reviewing, and repeating, but also from time to time people do bring up new ideas -- such as last night the thought that perhaps he took a ferry to Canada or Alaska, etc. to get away.

I think we can all think of lots of reasons Nicholas might have left, and how he could have done it, and how or why he might be maintaining his disappearance now. I know for me, I'd rather consider those things because it keeps up the hope that he is still alive somewhere. I don't really want to consider that maybe he got on a ferry then jumped (or was pushed) off in the middle of the ocean and no one saw him and his body won't ever be found. Or was kidnapped and killed, or any of those things. I know those things happen. I'd just rather not go there...

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Yes, but it is far fetched. As much as her picture was on the internet, maybe someone became infatuated with her and did something to Nicholas. [/*]

That is just as legit as any other theory at this point and stranger things have happened.

We have a case happening here now where a woman killed a young married military couple and took their 7 mo. old child.. all because she thought that the woman was having a relationship with her ex bf. People are sick these days.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Hi, I'm not sure if this was meant for me but I did say something about reading all the posts, so maybe. As far as anything not addressed, I think there is a lot of re-hashing, reviewing, and repeating, but also from time to time people do bring up new ideas -- such as last night the thought that perhaps he took a ferry to Canada or Alaska, etc. to get away.

I think we can all think of lots of reasons Nicholas might have left, and how he could have done it, and how or why he might be maintaining his disappearance now. I know for me, I'd rather consider those things because it keeps up the hope that he is still alive somewhere. I don't really want to consider that maybe he got on a ferry then jumped (or was pushed) off in the middle of the ocean and no one saw him and his body won't ever be found. Or was kidnapped and killed, or any of those things. I know those things happen. I'd just rather not go there... [/*]

I'm in complete agreement TTT - also people could just quit coming to this forum and CW will close it and Nicholas will become just another stat which may happen anyway.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by K Anne


n/t, and everyone, I am not pointing fingers. There is a general level of misgiving or hostility or judgment or contempt toward the abandoned wife and anyone who has posted "against" her knows that they have. I am asking for a little more grace toward a young woman in crisis.

Some of the things said here and on other discussions leave seriously *no* room for anything but a negative or defensive response. [/*]

ITA

If it was me.. I wouldn't be able to help coming here to these boards to see what was being said and honestly she has shown restraint compared to what I would say if I was completely innocent and really felt like something terrible happened to my husband.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


That is just as legit as any other theory at this point and stranger things have happened.

We have a case happening here now where a woman killed a young married military couple and took their 7 mo. old child.. all because she thought that the woman was having a relationship with her ex bf. People are sick these days. [/*]

See the interent is a mysterious place and there are all types lurking and looking.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


That is just as legit as any other theory at this point and stranger things have happened.

We have a case happening here now where a woman killed a young married military couple and took their 7 mo. old child.. all because she thought that the woman was having a relationship with her ex bf. People are sick these days. [/*]

That was such a horrifying story. Yes, there are a lot of sick people out there...

[K Anne]

Originally posted by huskiki


This is going to be an article on what Christine is now facing. Again, it's all about Christine. hammer

IMO JMO MOOOOOOOOO [/*]

That's on the culture of the media, then.

Maybe you could write a counterpoint article or contact that editor and ask them to write a story on Nicholas to match. Maybe the key here to the energy behind all the flack against CF is for those of you who are mad at her or sick of her or distrustful of her to USE that anger or antagonism constructively in such a way to advance progress on the case.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Hi, I'm not sure if this was meant for me but I did say something about reading all the posts, so maybe. As far as anything not addressed, I think there is a lot of re-hashing, reviewing, and repeating, but also from time to time people do bring up new ideas -- such as last night the thought that perhaps he took a ferry to Canada or Alaska, etc. to get away.

I think we can all think of lots of reasons Nicholas might have left, and how he could have done it, and how or why he might be maintaining his disappearance now. I know for me, I'd rather consider those things because it keeps up the hope that he is still alive somewhere. I don't really want to consider that maybe he got on a ferry then jumped (or was pushed) off in the middle of the ocean and no one saw him and his body won't ever be found. Or was kidnapped and killed, or any of those things. I know those things happen. I'd just rather not go there... [/*]

I hadn't thought of someone pushing him off the ferry, though I had posted about the ferries and Canada or Alaska escape.

The water aspect of that area has been central in my thinking from the start. I looked at the Laci Peterson timeline last night and that all came flooding back, so to speak -- it took several months for her body and Connor's to wash ashore. If NF died in relation to the waters surrounding Seattle, does anyone know how the currents work there, and is it likely that a body would return to shore nearby (it seems likely), or would it go out to the outer sea?

Regardless, if his location is presently in the water, it could be months before a body turns up.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by K Anne


That's on the culture of the media, then.

Maybe you could write a counterpoint article or contact that editor and ask them to write a story on Nicholas to match. Maybe the key here to the energy behind all the flack against CF is for those of you who are mad at her or sick of her or distrustful of her to USE that anger or antagonism constructively in such a way to advance progress on the case. [/*]


It's funny, a few days ago those of you who are obvious Christine supporters asked why is it that all we talk about is Christine. Then said something along the lines of what about Nicholas. Well that's what I'm trying to get at. What about Nicholas? Christine herself is probably behind this article so why isn't it about searching for her husband? Everyone here wants more news/details on Nicholas.

Not to worry, I'll be focusing my engery on Nicholas someplace other than here.

And, these are my opinions. Last I knew I could write about my own opinions, so can everyone else. You have your opinion and I have mine. There's no need for you to tell others how they should change their comments to suit you. IMO JMO

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by K Anne


I hadn't thought of someone pushing him off the ferry, though I had posted about the ferries and Canada or Alaska escape.

The water aspect of that area has been central in my thinking from the start. I looked at the Laci Peterson timeline last night and that all came flooding back, so to speak -- it took several months for her body and Connor's to wash ashore. If NF died in relation to the waters surrounding Seattle, does anyone know how the currents work there, and is it likely that a body would return to shore nearby (it seems likely), or would it go out to the outer sea?

Regardless, if his location is presently in the water, it could be months before a body turns up. [/*]

I kinda think for someone to dispose of him quickly in one of the bodies of water.. he would have been found by now. All the water down the piers.. I don't think he would go anywhere and someone would have seen something. Kinda the same thing with the other side.. just seems like someone would have seen something or he would have been found. Now off a ferry.. that is probably a different story.

I don't know.. what do others from this area think. I just don't see the water.. (directly around Seattle anyway) as being viable. Unless he got onto a ferry to somewhere.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by hippiegirl
at the risk of being blasted by some of you, and that's ok

because, while i respect all of you and your opinions, i don't know you and you don't know me....

and none of us on here, that we know of, know C or N on a very personal level

i am going to say this......C's post, and a member of her family's post, which came within 2 to 4 minutes of each other, on different esty threads, came on the heels (within a week to 2 weeks) of a plea for help for a woman, who was killed in an accident, to help her 2 little boys.....

the etsy people did not hesitate to help with funds, ie. donating from sales from their shops....to outright donations.

red flags went up for me right away...when C's plea was posted, it did not sit right with me, i am not sure why, except the underlying tone was just not what i would expect from someone whoose husband was missing...

add to that, the fact that she is so defensive about anything that is said to even suggest that she MAY be the reason he left....puts up more red flags.....

unless you are praying for her...and have a candle lit for her...everything she "types"/says, has a very defensive and angry tone to it....

that is why i think she knows he left on his own accord and she is Pissed Off.....

i truly hope he is alive, and not in any danger.....i pray, in my own way, that he is OK....i have been through it, and my husband was NOT ok.......nuff said about that.....

i am a thinker, and i think, and think, and think....and with absolutely no evidence of foul play, that we know of, it points to he left on his own accord....for what reason, we may never know...(ok, he may have been kidnapped but why?)

would C feel better thinking he left and he is ok, or there was foul play and he is dead.....from experience i would feel better thinking he left, than thinking he was dead.....

why should she get mad at us, we are just trying to sort it out...we may be wrong or we may be right, but at least we are doing something!!!!!!

so if any of you hate me now, i am sorry...this is all MOO and IMO and not meant to hurt anyone in any way.....just things that have been on my mind......and please only hate me for a few minutes....:) Peace [/*]

well said, and I certainly hope that no one would hate you for anything you have said! I admire you for coming and participating in these boards after what you've been through personally.

I was just thinking that if it turns out something terrible did happen to Nicholas and his body is found, will that provide closure to all that has been discussed? And I think not. Unless someone confesses to exactly what they did and why, there will still be questions... about the financial issues that have been brought up, about what he was doing, and was it random or intentional, etc.

Even if his body was found with a suicide note, would everyone believe it, or would there still be doubt? "Is it his handwriting? Could someone have forced him to write it?"

Besides the obvious and fervent wish that he not be dead for his sake and his family's and friends', there is also the horrible sense of uncertainty, the not knowing "why". If he comes back and has no memory of why he left, there would still be uncertainty, but also the hope that maybe some day it could all be figured out and explained.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by huskiki
It's funny, a few days ago those of you who are obvious Christine supporters asked why is it that all we talk about is Christine. Then said something along the lines of what about Nicholas. Well that's what I'm trying to get at. What about Nicholas? Christine herself is probably behind this article so why isn't it about searching for her husband? Everyone here wants more news/details on Nicholas.

Not to worry, I'll be focusing my engery on Nicholas someplace other than here.

And, these are my opinions. Last I knew I could write about my own opinions, so can everyone else. You have your opinion and I have mine. There's no need for you to tell others how they should change their comments to suit you. IMO JMO [/*]

Please don't misread me: I made a suggestion in the above post, not a directive.

Why not give room for CF to *make* it an article about NF??

Why expect "the worst"?

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


That is just as legit as any other theory at this point and stranger things have happened.

We have a case happening here now where a woman killed a young married military couple and took their 7 mo. old child.. all because she thought that the woman was having a relationship with her ex bf. People are sick these days. [/*]

That was on the news way over here too. Top breaking news story the other night. I think because the girl that got killed was originally from NH.
Also you said "all because she thought that the woman was having a relationship w/ her ex bf"....
wasn't her ex bf the husband that was killed along w/ his wife? I mean if they are married, then obviously the woman WAS having a relationship w/ the killer's ex bf.
I'm not explaining this right.
Am i misunderstanding how you wrote it?
The way i remember is on the news.....i think....was that this girl killed her ex bf and his wife right? and stole their baby.....right?

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I kinda think for someone to dispose of him quickly in one of the bodies of water.. he would have been found by now. All the water down the piers.. I don't think he would go anywhere and someone would have seen something. Kinda the same thing with the other side.. just seems like someone would have seen something or he would have been found. Now off a ferry.. that is probably a different story.

I don't know.. what do others from this area think. I just don't see the water.. (directly around Seattle anyway) as being viable. Unless he got onto a ferry to somewhere. [/*]

Well we were discussing on here just last weekend about a body that was found in Lake Washington and it was a guy who had been missing and presumed drowned for 2 months. That guy had been a boat though. A body thrown off a dock or near shore would likely come up to shore within a few days as you say.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by K Anne


Please don't misread me: I made a suggestion in the above post, not a directive.

Why not give room for CF to *make* it an article about NF??

Why expect "the worst"? [/*]

The email response said it was an article on what Christine is now facing. If it were to be about Nicholas then I don't think that it would read that way. I guess we'll wait and see.

Sorry if I was snippy but we're all looking for info on Nicholas. I for one am tired of talking about Christine. Nicholas should be the focal point.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by soyesterday


That was on the news way over here too. Top breaking news story the other night. I think because the girl that got killed was originally from NH.
Also you said "all because she thought that the woman was having a relationship w/ her ex bf"....
wasn't her ex bf the husband that was killed along w/ his wife? I mean if they are married, then obviously the woman WAS having a relationship w/ the killer's ex bf.
I'm not explaining this right.
Am i misunderstanding how you wrote it?
The way i remember is on the news.....i think....was that this girl killed her ex bf and his wife right? and stole their baby.....right? [/*]

The story I read said the husband killed was not the killer's ex-bf. It said that the killer believed the wife she killed was having an affair with the killer's ex-bf (a different man).

[dianaelaine]

Ya know, I THOUGHT this was a CRIME forum, to discuss cases .... NOT Etsy and not where we have to keep feeling guilty and sorry for what we say.

I'm getting angry that every time somebody says something about Christine, we're scolded or told to be more sensitive ... if you don't like what's being said, then you shouldn't be here.

Too many posts are taken up too much space, to tell others what to say. We're ADULTS ... and we're discussing a case, it's not all peachy keen.

Geesh!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Okay branching off on the infatuation theory, what if someone was infatuated with Nicholas? One of those psycho freaks who think they have something going when they don't? Yuck I hate going down this road too.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by huskiki


The email response said it was an article on what Christine is now facing. If it were to be about Nicholas then I don't think that it would read that way. I guess we'll wait and see.

Sorry if I was snippy but we're all looking for info on Nicholas. I for one am tired of talking about Christine. Nicholas should be the focal point. [/*]

So are any of you putting Nick's picture and information up on your myspace page?
I'm thinking about doing that now......
If he only knew how many of us are worried about him and we don't even know him.....