Discussion - March 5th. [Archive] - Page 2

K Anne

03-05-2008, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
(respectfully snipped)Even if his body was found with a suicide note, would everyone believe it, or would there still be doubt? "Is it his handwriting? Could someone have forced him to write it?"
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For what it's worth a suicide would close it for me, especially with a note. Any doubt would be not in whether the penmanship was his, but whether the tone or communication style was his. I also sense that if he committed suicide and left a note, the message would be kindhearted and impossible to question as to authorship. But that said, I would also expect that he would have committed that act not far from home, and/or in a place where CF and family would think to look for him.

Which brings me back to Port Orchard. Did he live there long, does anyone know? Sometimes people "go home" to die.

kpb

03-05-2008, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Some of us here most heartfully want to see your family and marriage restored as quickly as possible. I hope there is *something* in these discussions that helps you to find your husband, for then it will all have been worth the time and argument. [/*]

Gosh, I think ALL of us on here would like Nicholas safe and back with his wife and kids, not just "some of us." :confused:

soyesterday

03-05-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Okay branching off on the infatuation theory, what if someone was infatuated with Nicholas? One of those psycho freaks who think they have something going when they don't? Yuck I hate going down this road too. [/*]

Definately could be! Nicholas is a very nice looking guy. I wouldn't doubt that another woman would be "in love" w/ him either.
And w/ his work saying that they are known for "sex scandals" and drinking and stuff...maybe there was something that happened from that?
I wonder if Christine minded him being around an environment like that.

soyesterday

03-05-2008, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by kpb

Gosh, I think ALL of us on here would like Nicholas safe and back with his wife and kids, not just "some of us." :confused: [/*]

Yes i think ALL us DO want him home safe w/ his family.
There MIGHT be a couple that have become "infactuated" w/ him themselves on here.....:D but either way, i'm sure we all want him back home.

ThruTheTrees

03-05-2008, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday

Definately could be! Nicholas is a very nice looking guy. I wouldn't doubt that another woman would be "in love" w/ him either. [/*]

Or a guy, for that matter.

RainyNiteNTx

03-05-2008, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Then why don't you get off the computer and go out and search for him. :lol: [/*]

Do you suggest that to everyone who is posting on a missing person forum? Just wondering.

kpb

03-05-2008, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Those scenarios in movies creep me out. Throw in a clown and I'm a goner. [/*]

:lol: Yep, scared of clowns too!

dianaelaine

03-05-2008, 05:44 PM

I tend to look at NF as my son. I'm 55 years old and have a son who is 32, who happens to live in Seattle.

Sooo ... when I look at him, I see my son.
It's very sad.

dianaelaine

03-05-2008, 05:45 PM

I've noticed those dark areas around his eyes from the beginning ... but couldn't decide if it was just part of his coloring naturally ... or from exhaustion, worry, lack of sleep, etc.

soyesterday

03-05-2008, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Or a guy, for that matter. [/*]

Oh true!!!

ThruTheTrees

03-05-2008, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
RE: NF....

i noticed, in one of the pictures on the flyer, with several pics of him...the picture of him with the blue shirt on, (i assume at his office at work), and the drawings, probably by his daughter, on the wall behind him, that he looked very tired, and had very dark circles under his eyes....the look of a tired and worried man, that has not been sleeping well....i don't know when that picture was taken....

did anyone else notice that [/*]

Yes, I remember that one. I used that as one of the photos on the craigslist ads. He definitely doesn't look too cheery in it; OTOH the original photo at his flickr site had a title or caption "New Haircut" so maybe he was just reacting because he didn't like his haircut!

soyesterday

03-05-2008, 05:48 PM

So what about posting his pic and information on our myspace pages?
I've never done this before....so is it allowed?

MystryPhobia

03-05-2008, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

The story I read said the husband killed was not the killer's ex-bf. It said that the killer believed the wife she killed was having an affair with the killer's ex-bf (a different man). [/*]

Yes.. that was what I understood it to be too. The ex was a different man altogether and I haven't heard that the wife and the man were even connected. The way they make it sound.. on the news anyway.. they weren't.

field of snow

03-05-2008, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Then why don't you get off the computer and go out and search for him. :lol: [/*]

Nice choice of an emoticon, Snowbird. Why make this personal? Seriously. Get a life.

soyesterday

03-05-2008, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Yes.. that was what I understood it to be too. The ex was a different man altogether and I haven't heard that the wife and the man were even connected. The way they make it sound.. on the news anyway.. they weren't. [/*]

Oh ok
i misunderstood it then

field of snow

03-05-2008, 05:55 PM

soyesterday

03-05-2008, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I think you can add whatever you want to your own page. I don't think there are infringment laws that would hinder you from doing so. His picture has been publicly put out there by the media and by him. [/*]

Ok....thanks.
So is anyone else going to do this too?

Silver_Dove

03-05-2008, 05:56 PM

Highly unlikely he was thrown or jumped off a ferry. If he had jumped I would have expected him to have taken his car on rather then leaving it in Fed Way. As to someone dumping him off just to many people around I can't see anyone trying it.

Also it would be hard to throw someone off a dock. To many people, cameras or just plain locked up. Also the currents aren't that great off the docks so the body would be found.

I guess there could be a boat involved but now we are getting to a whole lot of planing which would rule out random. It has also been said that he had no enemies. If it was over bad debt then why not threaten the wife and kids to make him pay? Also if it was bad debt wouldn't C and the kids be in danger now from someone trying to collect from her donations?

Silver_Dove

03-05-2008, 05:58 PM

soyesterday

03-05-2008, 05:58 PM

K Anne

03-05-2008, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl

the darkness under his eyes doesn't appear in any of the other picture, that i have found....someitmes when look at the picutes that are grouped, i feel like i am looking at two different men....it's very strange.... [/*]

That's a good point, hippiegirl; maybe you are. Office lighting is not great and if it was taken on computer camera (can't remember what I just read?!) that lends to the unflattering aspect too -- BUT, maybe there is a significant disconnect between the type of man he was at work, and the type he was at home. Split life, not necessarily falsity or mental disorder, but for whatever reason, totally different behavior expressed at work versus at home.

RainyNiteNTx

03-05-2008, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday

Ok....thanks.
So is anyone else going to do this too? [/*]

I am
Let me edit to add that I will be sending to my good friends in loop email that I have known for years so no one does not think it is spam.

Track292003

03-05-2008, 06:04 PM

To Hippiegirl et al. --
I also noticed the dark circles under Nicholas's eyes in that picture taken in his office, and I also think I noticed a (rather) thin moustache. Did anyone else notice that?

soyesterday

03-05-2008, 06:04 PM

So we have a couple people here w/ "intuiations", "feelings", "visions", etc...right?
I know about Beth Englamen (sp?), but today i was reading and noticed that Envision has those too right?
I didn't even catch on to that till after i caught up on yesterday's posts.

mxma30

03-05-2008, 06:05 PM

o/t

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335211,00.html

i used to work with this girl here in marietta, ga and knew her through friends. i hope the person who did this to her is found and given what they deserve

Breazy

03-05-2008, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

I know and that is really sad. And to think no one can understand why she is so upset and worried. :rolleyes: [/*]

Excuse me for butting in here but some of you are blowing this entirely out of proportion. Noone has EVER said they didn't understand Christine being upset, worried and yes, even pissed off. I know I would be, whatever the story . . . pissed off at him if he left me . . . pissed off at some unknown person for doing him harm and ruining mine and my chidren's lives. The observations made about Christine have been based on things she herself has put out there. We don't know what happened to Nicholas so therefore, all possibilities are open. Unfortunately, that includes the possibility that he walked away because of her. That's what these forums are for . . . speculating based on the information we have. Sadly, we don't have much and what we do have is Christine's persona that she has put forth. Men that have spouses/girlfriends come up missing face much worth and when everything is said and done, they have been innocent of any wrongdoing. Actually, people have been fairly sensitive toward Christine compared to other cases I've followed.

isitme

03-05-2008, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Beth
There you go! One idea and two TOTALLY different opinions. FTR, my opinion on that idea is somewhere in the middle. [/*]

Middle ground for me as well. I know I won't do it for many personal reasons, but would not think it offensive or rude for others to do it or if one landed in my in box.

As for getting off the computer and searching - I live on the other side of the country, just how do you propose that I do that? Abandone my family, elderly ill mother, and obligations, to say nothing of the expense to go to Seattle to begin searching when I don't even know the area?

Silver_Dove

03-05-2008, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl

maybe not spam, we all get poems, pictures of animals, and waterfalls, etc....and we forward them...at least some of them...i don't think anyone in my address book would consider it spam
JMO,MOO [/*]

Make up your own mind but this is about these kinds of appeals.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/adults/adults.asp

soyesterday

03-05-2008, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by mxma30
o/t

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335211,00.html

i used to work with this girl here in marietta, ga and knew her through friends. i hope the person who did this to her is found and given what they deserve [/*]

That's sad. I'm sorry.

murdershewrote

03-05-2008, 06:09 PM

The biggest thing that throws me off in this case is still the car, finding the car. If he just took off and wanted Christine to have the car, why wipe it down, why not just leave your prints there. Only criminals wipe cars down. But it's still possible he left the car there, and somebody else used it (for awhile), and they wiped it down.

I don't know, just seems that in cases where the person's car is found abandoned, that there has been foul play involved. I vascillate back and forth every day on this but foul play still makes the most sense, at least to me.

kpb

03-05-2008, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
We know that they recently left the church and maybe there was someone that wanted to be more than friends and thought they might have a chance with Nicholas out of the way.

Comments? [/*]

The church thing has always been stuck in the back of my mind. Just seems too coincidental that they left 2 days prior.

I know this is a stretch, but maybe the head pastor (forgot his name) or someone high up was romantically interested in CF and that is why they left.

Maybe NF was approached when he left work by this person or asked to meet somewhere to discuss them leaving and something happened. This person wanted to get NF out of the way so they could console CF.

Maybe the reason they left the church in the first place, or maybe because this person was calling to check on CF after NF disappeared and being pushy, maybe that is why CF wanted the church link removed. :shrug:

desmom

03-05-2008, 06:10 PM

soyesterday

03-05-2008, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl

when you get a few minutes, look at ALL the different pictures of him on their sites and his site.....it is very, very strange.....i have looked at all of them a dozen times and i get the same feelings every time i look at them

i hesitate to say what i get from the pictures of C....for i may get in trouble :( [/*]

Just curious.....are you a psychic too?

Silver_Dove

03-05-2008, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by murdershewrote
The biggest thing that throws me off in this case is still the car, finding the car. If he just took off and wanted Christine to have the car, why wipe it down, why not just leave your prints there. Only criminals wipe cars down. But it's still possible he left the car there, and somebody else used it (for awhile), and they wiped it down.

I don't know, just seems that in cases where the person's car is found abandoned, that there has been foul play involved. I vascillate back and forth every day on this but foul play still makes the most sense, at least to me. [/*]

Nothing has ever been said that the car has been wiped down unless you have a link. Only thing is there is no blood and no sign of foul play.

field of snow

03-05-2008, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
there are about 10 to 15 different people posting on this thread, and i don't know how many that aren't posting, what if we all sent a picture of NF, the same picture, in an email to everyone in our address book, and asked them to forward it to their address book, and on and on and on.....that could reach a heck of a lot of people....... [/*]

You know what Hippiegirl? I would if I truly believed it was a foul play/accident missing persons case.

If she was my friend, i'd be driving all over looking for him so I could tell him off for doing this. I had to do that with a friend a few years ago. He was also a perfect husband and daddy with a little boy and a little girl. One night, he also didn't come back. Leading up to that night there were some signs and little bits of evidence. It turns out he met some college girl ten years younger than him and I was able to trick her roommate into telling me where they were. I drove one hour to the college campus apartment to confront him for my friend. We even stopped at University Police and picked up an officer to accompany us. He was totally shocked.

And he wasn't the only husband i've tracked for friends.

ThruTheTrees

03-05-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by murdershewrote
The biggest thing that throws me off in this case is still the car, finding the car. If he just took off and wanted Christine to have the car, why wipe it down, why not just leave your prints there. Only criminals wipe cars down. But it's still possible he left the car there, and somebody else used it (for awhile), and they wiped it down.

I don't know, just seems that in cases where the person's car is found abandoned, that there has been foul play involved. I vascillate back and forth every day on this but foul play still makes the most sense, at least to me. [/*]

I don't think LE has reported that the car was "wiped down". The only things I've heard reported is there was no evidence of foul play in their initial examination of the car. As for fingerprints, the last I heard they were still doing the in-depth forensic examination of the car, to include identifying any prints on it. Have you read something different from LE that said the prints were "wiped down"?

K Anne

03-05-2008, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl

no, just sensitive and observent with good instincts, and a mind that won't shut down....:) [/*]

hippie I'm interested to know your take on the C photos; pm me if you like.

desmom

03-05-2008, 06:25 PM

How about the major events in their lives. IIRC:

2 days prior to NF's disappearance they resigned from their church - Didn't someone post Christine asked all references to the church be removed from a message board? IMO, it sounds like she is upset with the church. What happened?

It was reported yesterday Publicis recently laid off 8 - 10 employees. Would NF have had prior knowledge? Would NF had been laid off?

In January NF celebrated his 28th birthday and found out they were expecting their 3rd child. His wife said he was excited about the new baby. After the newness wore off, did the additional responsibility/expense sink in and he took off?

Anything else?

jmo

K Anne

03-05-2008, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by kpb

The church thing has always been stuck in the back of my mind. Just seems too coincidental that they left 2 days prior.

I know this is a stretch, but maybe the head pastor (forgot his name) or someone high up was romantically interested in CF and that is why they left.

Maybe NF was approached when he left work by this person or asked to meet somewhere to discuss them leaving and something happened. This person wanted to get NF out of the way so they could console CF.

Maybe the reason they left the church in the first place, or maybe because this person was calling to check on CF after NF disappeared and being pushy, maybe that is why CF wanted the church link removed. :shrug: [/*]

Yucky. This sounds totally plausible to me. Yuck... Yuck. :(

K Anne

03-05-2008, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by desmom
How about the major events in their lives. IIRC:

2 days prior to NF's disappearance they resigned from their church - Didn't someone post Christine asked all references to the church be removed from a message board? IMO, it sounds like she is upset with the church. What happened?

It was reported yesterday Publicis recently laid off 8 - 10 employees. Would NF have had prior knowledge? Would NF had been laid off?

In January NF celebrated his 28th birthday and found out they were expecting their 3rd child. His wife said he was excited about the new baby. After the newness wore off, did the additional responsibility/expense sink in and he took off?

Anything else?

jmo [/*]

If someone here (Envision? someone else?) was on Etsy chats with CF between NF's birthday and his disappearance, do you remember any chat about the pregnancy or any response to it? Some people tell all, in chat or discussions threads; did she?

soyesterday

03-05-2008, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

hippie I'm interested to know your take on the C photos; pm me if you like. [/*]

me too pretty please?

kpb

03-05-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I believe we all have some psychic ability, some more than others and some more able to tap into/get in touch with. Personally, when my brother was murdered, we were told he was buried and nobody would ever find him. I live in one of the largest cities on the west coast.

Maybe somebody else wasn't going to find him, but I was GOING to find him. It took us 2 weeks with no clues or leads to work with and a lot of determination. I kept going back to this one spot and I just had the strongest pull to this one spot. That was the third day we had started to look for him and we had covered many, many miles. On the 14th day, I took my brother-in-law (bless his heart) with me and made him dig as I pointed, "right there". Within minutes, he had uncovered a knee and the rest is history. You better believe I had a feeling.

If you think that one is proof enough, I have another one that tops that one but without getting too personal and also to maintain my privacy/identity, I'll save that one for the truly curious. Am I psychic? I don't know.. am I? [/*]

Oh gosh that gave me chills. I'm so sorry, I can't even begin to imagine what you went through.

Breazy

03-05-2008, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I believe we all have some psychic ability, some more than others and some more able to tap into/get in touch with. Personally, when my brother was murdered, we were told he was buried and nobody would ever find him. I live in one of the largest cities on the west coast.

Maybe somebody else wasn't going to find him, but I was GOING to find him. It took us 2 weeks with no clues or leads to work with and a lot of determination. I kept going back to this one spot and I just had the strongest pull to this one spot. That was the third day we had started to look for him and we had covered many, many miles. On the 14th day, I took my brother-in-law (bless his heart) with me and made him dig as I pointed, "right there". Within minutes, he had uncovered a knee and the rest is history. You better believe I had a feeling.

If you think that one is proof enough, I have another one that tops that one but without getting too personal and also to maintain my privacy/identity, I'll save that one for the truly curious. Am I psychic? I don't know.. am I? [/*]

Just based on that story, I would definitely say you have a gift. Would truly be interested in hearing story you have alluded to . . . PM please as I find this intriguing.

Jpanda

03-05-2008, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I believe we all have some psychic ability, some more than others and some more able to tap into/get in touch with. Personally, when my brother was murdered, we were told he was buried and nobody would ever find him. I live in one of the largest cities on the west coast.

Maybe somebody else wasn't going to find him, but I was GOING to find him. It took us 2 weeks with no clues or leads to work with and a lot of determination. I kept going back to this one spot and I just had the strongest pull to this one spot. That was the third day we had started to look for him and we had covered many, many miles. On the 14th day, I took my brother-in-law (bless his heart) with me and made him dig as I pointed, "right there". Within minutes, he had uncovered a knee and the rest is history. You better believe I had a feeling.

If you don't think that one is proof enough, I have another one that tops that, but without getting too personal and also to maintain my privacy/identity, I'll save that one for the truly curious. Am I psychic? I don't know.. am I? [/*]

I'm speechless.....I'm curious too, so if you could please PM me with your other story I would much appreciate it. I would definitely say you have a gift. WOW. JMO

soyesterday

03-05-2008, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I believe we all have some psychic ability, some more than others and some more able to tap into/get in touch with. Personally, when my brother was murdered, we were told he was buried and nobody would ever find him. I live in one of the largest cities on the west coast.

Maybe somebody else wasn't going to find him, but I was GOING to find him. It took us 2 weeks with no clues or leads to work with and a lot of determination. I kept going back to this one spot and I just had the strongest pull to this one spot. That was the third day we had started to look for him and we had covered many, many miles. On the 14th day, I took my brother-in-law (bless his heart) with me and made him dig as I pointed, "right there". Within minutes, he had uncovered a knee and the rest is history. You better believe I had a feeling.

If you don't think that one is proof enough, I have another one that tops that, but without getting too personal and also to maintain my privacy/identity, I'll save that one for the truly curious. Am I psychic? I don't know.. am I? [/*]

Oh i am truly curious!

K Anne

03-05-2008, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Okie doke, when i get a break in the action here, I'll write it up and fire it off to you. :) [/*]

Please PM me as well, Beth.

I located my dead sister this way and maybe it is a blood relation thing, something that can be looked into by NF's mother or sisters.

kpb

03-05-2008, 07:05 PM

Please PM me too Beth when you get a chance. :rose:

mc528

03-05-2008, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by mc528
I keep trying to reconcile in my mind why NF company hired a PI to find him. I know that from what has been posted in various places that he was well liked, and had been an employee there for about 6 years. But the hiring of a PI by the company, still to me doesn't add up. He wasn't a high level executive, and there was no reason at the time the PI was hired, to believe that the local LE wouldn't find him.

If they hired one, just because of care and concern, then why would it be thought that his paychecks would suddenly stop - causing the desperate need for immediate $. A company caring enough to foot the bill for a PI isn't going to cease paying that missing person's salary instantly.

I can't find, in the thousands of posts in multiple threads, the first instance that it was made known that Publicis hired a PI. Maybe someone else has the link where that was referenced. Was it just over on one of the Etsy threads, or is there also a reference on the one of the friends/family sites? Do we know if it truly was Publicis as a company hiring them, or was it concerned co-workers themselves, on their own? Also, why is there no mention of a PI on CF's latest blog post about the "facts" of the case? I find that omission strange.

MOO/JMO/IMO:confused: [/*]

Do any of you guys know whether the PI was hired directly by NF's company? Still trying to put this together in my head.

desmom

03-05-2008, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by mc528

Do any of you guys know whether the PI was hired directly by NF's company? Still trying to put this together in my head. [/*]

http://agencyspy.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/art-director-missing-nicholas-francisco/

Publicis has hired a private investigator

KindraLore

03-05-2008, 07:33 PM

I found the transcripts (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331893,00.html) from the Feb 21st "The Big Story With John Gibson and Heather Nauert."

I thought this part interesting:

GIBSON: Jon Leiberman, as you heard, you know, this is a young father vanishing. People are suspecting foul play. In your view, is there reason to suspect foul play?

JON LEIBERMAN, "AMERICA'S MOST WANTED": Well, you know, our thoughts and prayers are with Christine and her family. Of course, and we've done a lot of cases with the King County Sheriff's Department. And today, when we spoke to investigators and they've said, look, it looks like this guy just vanished into thin air. That just doesn't happen. What is pointing to foul is this: At this point, police are looking through Nicholas' financial records, but they can't find anything. Normally, when you look through somebody's records you will find some debts being owed or you'll find that this guy had enemies. At this point, police haven't found anything to either point toward foul play or toward him just going away, except for the fact that he is a good family man, good guy, no known enemies. This is a mystery.

murdershewrote

03-05-2008, 07:46 PM

well, mc, Christine herself said if it's not on her fact list, then it's just a rumor. So should we believe her, or do you think she may have forgotten to put certain things on her list?

K Anne

03-05-2008, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore
I found the transcripts (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331893,00.html) from the Feb 21st "The Big Story With John Gibson and Heather Nauert."

I thought this part interesting:

[/*]
Thank you for posting that! It doesn't make me feel any better about all this, though. Even though I've made room in my psyche for his leaving voluntarily, for some reason what you posted puts me square again in the "foul play" camp. :(

n/t

03-05-2008, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore
I found the transcripts (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331893,00.html) from the Feb 21st "The Big Story With John Gibson and Heather Nauert."

I thought this part interesting:

[/*]

Thanks for the link. So finances is not a motive. He had no debts or none that the police are aware of.

I guess I can throw my theory out the window.

Next.

KindraLore

03-05-2008, 07:56 PM

Here (http://www.komoradio.com/news/15739362.html) is also a link about the car (which I believe I have read before. However this one shows the actual car being towed away.

On a side note, it states the cookies were Valentine's day cookies he was going to bake with his daughter. (Just for those questioning the whole come home from work and bake cookie thing).

ThruTheTrees

03-05-2008, 07:57 PM

I was looking at the blog of the Publicis "search group" and saw this very first post:

This blog is intended to be a central online repository for information regarding Nicholas Francisco. *Please be sensitive* about posting information that may interfere with the work being done by professionals.[/*]

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/2008/02/missing-nicholas-francisco.html

Does anyone have any thoughts about what they meant by that last sentence?

decor

03-05-2008, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

This is going to be an article on what Christine is now facing. Again, it's all about Christine.

IMO JMO MOOOOOOOOO [/*]

I am sure they would much rather do a story about what Nick is going to do now but they don't know where he is. Reporters aren't into doing articles guessing what happened to people.

This also keeps it in the news which was what I thought everyone here wanted since a number have been complaining about it not being publicized anymore.

since Christine is married to Nick the people that are impacted the most in this situation are Christine and her kids.

some people here have completely decided that they do not like Christine and this thread is much like Etsy's with the only difference being that the pendulum has swung the other way.

mc528

03-05-2008, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by desmom

http://agencyspy.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/art-director-missing-nicholas-francisco/

[/*]

Thank you.

K Anne

03-05-2008, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
I was looking at the blog of the Publicis "search group" and saw this very first post:

This blog is intended to be a central online repository for information regarding Nicholas Francisco. *Please be sensitive* about posting information that may interfere with the work being done by professionals.[/*]

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/2008/02/missing-nicholas-francisco.html

Does anyone have any thoughts about what they meant by that last sentence? [/*]

I love that site, very thorough canvas reports. I would take that last sentence to mean don't leak information that will compromise the investigation. In other words, if you know something critical or are participating in the investigation, communicate to the investigators, and not online for all the world (and any perpetrator) to see. That's my guess.

n/t

03-05-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
I was looking at the blog of the Publicis "search group" and saw this very first post:

This blog is intended to be a central online repository for information regarding Nicholas Francisco. *Please be sensitive* about posting information that may interfere with the work being done by professionals.[/*]

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/2008/02/missing-nicholas-francisco.html

Does anyone have any thoughts about what they meant by that last sentence? [/*]

Could they mean posting a hoax or inaccurate information that may interfere with the investigation?

That's how I interpreted it.

ThruTheTrees

03-05-2008, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by decor

some people here have completely decided that they do not like Christine and this thread is much like Etsy's with the only difference being that the pendulum has swung the other way. [/*]

Are you sure about that? If we did a show of hands, how many people here would say flat out "I don't like Christine"?

I know I wouldn't say that. I may question some of the things she has said and wonder about some apparent contradictions (the PayPal "shielding debt" vs. "didn't make as much as he usually does" comes to mind), but I wouldn't go so far as to say I don't "like" her. I don't even know her!

If what you mean is that some people here focus a lot on Christine and her inconsistencies or possible motivations for what she says and does and how all of that might relate to Nicholas's disappearance, whereas on Etsy there was a very concentrated effort NOT to question Christine or even ask questions about the case, well yeah, I can agree with that. But I don't think that is a matter of "liking" or "not liking" her really. At least not for me.

huskiki

03-05-2008, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday

So are any of you putting Nick's picture and information up on your myspace page?
I'm thinking about doing that now......
If he only knew how many of us are worried about him and we don't even know him..... [/*]

I'm just catching up from when I left work. I'm going to write about him on my blog later tonight and yes I'll include a picture.

ThruTheTrees

03-05-2008, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

I love that site, very thorough canvas reports. I would take that last sentence to mean don't leak information that will compromise the investigation. In other words, if you know something critical or are participating in the investigation, communicate to the investigators, and not online for all the world (and any perpetrator) to see. That's my guess. [/*]

Yes, that would make sense. Thanks.

ThruTheTrees

03-05-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Could they mean posting a hoax or inaccurate information that may interfere with the investigation?

That's how I interpreted it. [/*]

Oh, good point. In fact, it wouldn't be hard for someone to interject potential "dis-information" right on these boards too, as a friend of mine mentioned to me last week.

I haven't seen anything here that could be like that, but you never know.

soyesterday

03-05-2008, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Please PM me as well, Beth.

I located my dead sister this way and maybe it is a blood relation thing, something that can be looked into by NF's mother or sisters. [/*]

Goodness.....so many people have loved ones that were tragically taken away from them........

:(

huskiki

03-05-2008, 08:17 PM

n/t

03-05-2008, 08:17 PM

IIRC, Rainy posted a question early this morning regarding the change made on Christine's list. The coworker assumed Nicholas was going to Safeway because he mentioned " go up here" or something to that effect.

Why would the coworker assume Safeway? And also what would Nicholas have meant by up here? Anybody know what was up here? Is that where his car was parked?

huskiki

03-05-2008, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl

maybe not spam, we all get poems, pictures of animals, and waterfalls, etc....and we forward them...at least some of them...i don't think anyone in my address book would consider it spam
JMO,MOO [/*]

Or if you have a myspace post a bulletin, that goes out to all of your friends I believe.

Shimz

03-05-2008, 08:26 PM

Ok, so reading back it is thought that NF had an etsy site, If noone knows what i am talking about i will try to find the link. wait... here it is http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=5591152 ...

Anyway, I went to it and then name of this store is Kauno... so i think this site is relatively new (2/3/08), so it made me wonder what Kauno meant. People put a lot of thought and meaning into their names, so i figured i would research...

it could have other meanings, and it may be nothing but what i did find was interesting... it was a long website.. here is what i found interesting....

Kauno means "Torch" or "Firebrand." Some sources define it as an "Ulcer" or "Wound." Basically, it is symbolic of light, enlightenment and opening (in the form of a gateway or portal leading from darkness into light or unconsciousness to consciousness). Kauno dispels darkness and ignorance, allowing an individual to discern the truth, thus becoming more aware and gaining new insight. This Rune also teaches that enlightenment needs to be used and shared in order to be of any worth, as well as suggesting natural warmth and companionship. However, this Rune may also serve as a warning to beware of the sources of heat and/or light or of physical danger. Therefore, care should be taken to avoid accidents and to quickly treat any illness, as well as working toward resolution of any mental dilemma. Kauno suggests a understanding of life and its meaning on a personal level. New insights await, but there must be a guard against becoming complacent. New understanding must be used or it will be worthless. Thus, ways should be sought in which to use insights for both personal good and the good of others. Enlightenment is replenishable...the more it is used, then the more knowledge is gained. Enlightenment in and of itself should not be the ultimate goal...simply the starting point of a great adventure that leads to abundant wisdom and understanding, provided truth and honesty are employed. The Runic Number of Kauno is 6. Its color is light red, its element is fire and its polarity is female.

Here is the link if anyone is interested

http://www.novareinna.com/constellation/cancertarot.html

--- btw, just thought it was interesting given the different ideas everyone here has come up with, JMOO! ----

K Anne

03-05-2008, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by n/t
IIRC, Rainy posted a question early this morning regarding the change made on Christine's list. The coworker assumed Nicholas was going to Safeway because he mentioned " go up here" or something to that effect.

Why would the coworker assume Safeway? And also what would Nicholas have meant by up here? Anybody know what was up here? Is that where his car was parked? [/*]

Ok, so, when I was running yesterday with the ferries idea, I went to Google Maps and ran a search for Seattle Washington. I don't remember if it automatically maps as a satellite image or whether you have to click a button to show satellite images. Whichever, I used satellite images to sort out the ferry routes and potential. You get a great idea of the geography and greenery of the place, plus waterways, main roads, etc.

I don't remember if it is on Yahoo Maps or Google, or both, but you can also search to see businesses in the area. And ;) since I am not captivated by the Safeway item, I haven't put any time into looking for it or how it is situated pertaining to Publicis. But !! someone else here could do that?

n/t

03-05-2008, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

I believe NF parked his car up the hill and Safe way was also up the hill in the same direction. [/*]

I don't get the Safeway assumption though. And why wouldn't Nicholas just say "My car is parked up here"?

Is there anything else up here besides the Safeway?

decor

03-05-2008, 08:32 PM

huskiki

03-05-2008, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by decor
Originally posted by huskiki

This is going to be an article on what Christine is now facing. Again, it's all about Christine.

IMO JMO MOOOOOOOOO [/*]

I am sure they would much rather do a story about what Nick is going to do now but they don't know where he is. Reporters aren't into doing articles guessing what happened to people.

This also keeps it in the news which was what I thought everyone here wanted since a number have been complaining about it not being publicized anymore.

since Christine is married to Nick the people that are impacted the most in this situation are Christine and her kids.

some people here have completely decided that they do not like Christine and this thread is much like Etsy's with the only difference being that the pendulum has swung the other way. [/*]

Not entirely true. There are many here who have stuck up for Christine. It is possible for a person to see both sides of the story.

KindraLore

03-05-2008, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Not entirely true. There are many here who have stuck up for Christine. It is possible for a person to see both sides of the story. [/*]

With all due respect, I don't see how it IS two sides of a story as far as Nick and Christine. I thought it was one story.. of a man missing, and his family searching for him.

That is unless you guys think she killed him or something. Then I guess yeah, to you there would be two sides.

MOO of course.

ThruTheTrees

03-05-2008, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by decor

yes, I'm sure. there are a few that have completely made Christine the bad guy in this whole thing. [/*]

A few maybe. But not the majority here. IMO.

field of snow

03-05-2008, 08:41 PM

I don't know Christine, but she has said/done things that bug me. If some of you can go on other threads and say what you think about other spouses or family without knowing them......what is the difference?

QUOTE]Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Are you sure about that? If we did a show of hands, how many people here would say flat out "I don't like Christine"?

I know I wouldn't say that. I may question some of the things she has said and wonder about some apparent contradictions (the PayPal "shielding debt" vs. "didn't make as much as he usually does" comes to mind), but I wouldn't go so far as to say I don't "like" her. I don't even know her!

If what you mean is that some people here focus a lot on Christine and her inconsistencies or possible motivations for what she says and does and how all of that might relate to Nicholas's disappearance, whereas on Etsy there was a very concentrated effort NOT to question Christine or even ask questions about the case, well yeah, I can agree with that. But I don't think that is a matter of "liking" or "not liking" her really. At least not for me. [/*][/QUOTE]

K Anne

03-05-2008, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Are you sure about that? If we did a show of hands, how many people here would say flat out "I don't like Christine"?

I know I wouldn't say that. I may question some of the things she has said and wonder about some apparent contradictions (the PayPal "shielding debt" vs. "didn't make as much as he usually does" comes to mind), but I wouldn't go so far as to say I don't "like" her. I don't even know her!

If what you mean is that some people here focus a lot on Christine and her inconsistencies or possible motivations for what she says and does and how all of that might relate to Nicholas's disappearance, whereas on Etsy there was a very concentrated effort NOT to question Christine or even ask questions about the case, well yeah, I can agree with that. But I don't think that is a matter of "liking" or "not liking" her really. At least not for me. [/*]

Thru, this facet of the conversation is so troublesome. If people focus on her inconsistencies or possible motivations that's one thing. The outright name-calling and uncredentialed psychiatric diagnoses seem to indicate "not liking". Which is fruitless and definitely not objective or productive. It's just bitching and sort of superior.

And having read so much here and elsewhere, I have no idea who among you is doing it; all our voices and ideas run together and I am trying to take this in as one body of information. But every time someone mentions narcissism (only a psychiatric professional can really make that call) or self-obsession or slags on her communication style or suggests her character somehow caused her husband to leave, it's like the body of information has bumped its head or thrown up.

You've *got* to know when you are posting something that is simply a nasty judgment or hostility. And when you've posted it, and recognized it, that's what the edit button is for.

huskiki

03-05-2008, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

With all due respect, I don't see how it IS two sides of a story as far as Nick and Christine. I thought it was one story.. of a man missing, and his family searching for him.

That is unless you guys think she killed him or something. Then I guess yeah, to you there would be two sides.

MOO of course. [/*]

I don't know how many times I have to say that nobody here thinks Christine killed Nicholas. And IF Nicholas took off on his own then there are two sides to the story.

KindraLore

03-05-2008, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I don't know how many times I have to say that nobody here thinks Christine killed Nicholas. And IF Nicholas took off on his own then there are two sides to the story. [/*]

But Huskiki. Does that not still make her a victim of all this? I don't see how that still makes her out to be the bad guy. Just sayin'.

KindraLore

03-05-2008, 08:51 PM

Well I know many of you will be so sad to hear this but I'm off. I am leaving for 4 days tomorrow morning for some great R&R with the family.

I gots lots of stuff to do before then so be nice to each other.

Hopefully there will be great news about Nick when I return.

K Anne

03-05-2008, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by K Anne
But every time someone mentions narcissism (only a psychiatric professional can really make that call) or self-obsession or slags on her communication style or suggests her character somehow caused her husband to leave, [/*]

And sorry to belabor the point, but I'm expecting a little backlash (or a lot) on the above -- when we are making comments about her behavior or character WE KNOW when we're being harsh or hostile. I do, anyway; I *know* when what I have written is coming from a reactionary and totally subjective place. And I try to edit that, or apologize for it, the moment I recognize it.

If you're posting from the position that CF is stupid, difficult, selfish, etc.,

YOR DOING IT RONG!

huskiki

03-05-2008, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

But Huskiki. Does that not still make her a victim of all this? I don't see how that still makes her out to be the bad guy. Just sayin'. [/*]

She's a victim, her kids are vicitims and Nicholas is a victim. I don't care if he left on his own or met with foul play, either way he's a victim. IF he left then something major had to be wrong or he felt as if he couldn't deal or whatever.

If Christine was missing what would everyone be saying about Nicholas? We all know how that goes. When it's the other way around are we supposed to dismiss the actions of the wife? I hardly think that would be fair.

I don't think Christine has anything to do with Nicholas' disappearance. She has acted strange on camera and sure that could be nerves. Now suddenly she's quiet, no more interviews, no more TV appearances, nothing.

How many missing person cases have you followed? It's all speculation, that's what we do here, speculate and discuss our ideas.

huskiki

03-05-2008, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore
Well I know many of you will be so sad to hear this but I'm off. I am leaving for 4 days tomorrow morning for some great R&R with the family.

I gots lots of stuff to do before then so be nice to each other.

Hopefully there will be great news about Nick when I return. [/*]

Have a great vacation!

mc528

03-05-2008, 09:05 PM

Welcome, Sarah. :seeya:

field of snow

03-05-2008, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

But Huskiki. Does that not still make her a victim of all this? I don't see how that still makes her out to be the bad guy. Just sayin'. [/*]

If an abandoned spouse is a victim, then I think that yes she's a victim in that aspect. I feel bad for her as a wife and mother.

Where I get off that bus, however, is believing that she really thought this was foul play ever. The "me" attitude makes me believe she just wanted attention and to get revenge. My interest in her is how she has managed to turn this into a circus. I do think the circus is much bigger than originally intended.

jmo

Maranatha

03-05-2008, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Envision
I myself never said I didn't like Christine as a person, I do not know her IRL. I did say I didn't like her chat personna. Whether or not a person likes Christine, has nothing to do with the fact that we are all here wanting to find Nicholas, safe and sound. [/*]

How do you know that is was actually Christine on chat? Could it have possibly been her mom, sister, brother, friend?

I'm sure many here have read Sharon's book "For Laci". She couldn't get out of bed, but she also couldn't sleep. IMO, Christine is in the same shape. Brain can't stop from worry, despair, anger, fear.

Has Christine ever given interviews before? Probably not, and I would surmise she has definitely not given a national one under these circumstances.

Does she have media handlers? Does she have a lawyer? Nope, she's a young wife and mother who doesn't know where her husband is. I'm surprised her sentences haven't been diagrammed and any grammatical errors glaringly pointed out.

MOO.

HarlettOhara

03-05-2008, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday

That sounds like a great idea!
I wonder why i am so involved in this one.... [/*]

Adding his pix to you myspace is a good idea.. also, do a bulletin with his pix.. that will get to all of your friends, and ask them to pass it on. The more people you can reach the better. Also, in order to get Nicholas back in the media you have to keep on the media outlets... send them emails, the more the better. Some may even take a look at it. I have a list of links to a lot of media, anyone is welcome to take them and use them. Here is the link to where they are at http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6

Here is a link to all newspapers in Washington State
http://www.secstate.wa.gov/library/wa_newspapers.aspx

When we do a letter writing campaign on a missing person we make up a form letter.. then all we have to do is copy/paste in to each email... Here is a sample letter we did for one campaign to get a missing person back in the media

Dear xxxxxx

I am writing in regards to the disappearance of Lisa Hatchell of Willingboro, NJ on July, 19, 2003.

Lisa, mother of two and a military veteran, is missing and her family desperately needs your help. Lisa was last seen at approximately 10:00pm in the vicinity of the 5400 block of Warrington Ave. in Philadelphia, PA on July 19, 2003. There are not many details available on her case, and her family is turning to the public for assistance in solving this mystery. Someone knows where Lisa is.

When Lisa went missing she'd had a fight with her boyfriend. The LE never went to or searched the home they were living in. The boyfriend took a lie detector test approximately 3 months after Lisa's disapperane and it came back inconclusive. Nothing has been done on this case since that time, they have not talked to the boyfriend since... they have just forgotten that Lisa ever existed.

Lisa's mother and Lisa's children have not forgotten. This is something they live with every day of their lives.. wondering, not knowing where or what has happened to Lisa.

Please, help Lisa and her family get the word out that she is missing.

Thank you,

xxxxxxxx

If you really want to get involved with helping to find Nicholas, write letters... get behind the family and support them in any effort you can to bring Nicholas home.

Silver_Dove

03-05-2008, 09:16 PM

I don't dislike C but if you she is the perfect wife with the perfect husband and the perfect marriage as she has portrayed then the only answer is foul play but if she isn't quite as perfect, he isn't all that perfect and the marriage wasn't all that perfect which there seems to be some evidence of, then there is a greater chance that he left on his own or with a gf.

This has nothing to do with liking or disliking it is really trying to figure things out. People commenting on what they noticed isn't all that wrong.

Also although I don't believe she killed him or even had him killed if she was a man would we be saying he was the victim and we shouldn't look at what he was saying or how he was acting?

huskiki

03-05-2008, 09:18 PM

]

Welcome aboard Sarah :seeya:

I agree with you :D

field of snow

03-05-2008, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

Also although I don't believe she killed him or even had him killed if she was a man would we be saying he was the victim and we shouldn't look at what he was saying or how he was acting? [/*]

Same here regarding the killing/had him killed/or even got up in his grill so much that he couldn't take it anymore. I think he left for his own personal conflicts and is too ashamed to face them with his family, including her.

There is enough evidence on these boards (including by some who post here) that in cases with a missing female, the male left behind is fair game. I believe in equal rights.

Maranatha

03-05-2008, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by Envision

And again what difference does any of that make in the grand scheme of finding Nicholas? Sorry but I won't goose step around her feelings nor avoid topics that upset her. Those subjects in which she does not wish to hear, read or address may be the exact keys needed to find her beloved husband. [/*]

Absolutely agree with you Envision. But my point is that Christine has come under such a microscope with comments ranging from pettty to downright mean spirited is what strikes me.

How would any of us react?

And I'll ask again ... do you know positively that it was Christine posting in chat? Could the person have been a relative or friend fed up with the tone of posts directed at her? You stated you didn't like the persona ...

I'm not saying that she shouldn't be discussed, lol, like I have some sort of power, its just some come across as so delighting in her circumstances.

Just MOO.

decor

03-05-2008, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by snowfield

If an abandoned spouse is a victim, then I think that yes she's a victim in that aspect. I feel bad for her as a wife and mother.

Where I get off that bus, however, is believing that she really thought this was foul play ever. The "me" attitude makes me believe she just wanted attention and to get revenge. My interest in her is how she has managed to turn this into a circus. I do think the circus is much bigger than originally intended.

jmo [/*]

I think Christine has said far less than any of us. Her every move, her every word, her every emotion has been scrutinized to the limit, even to the point of questioning where her children came from. This was all done because she didn't behave the way most people thought she should behave for someone whose husband was missing. that was it.

who really turned this into a circus?

field of snow

03-05-2008, 09:37 PM

And I'll ask again ... do you know positively that it was Christine posting in chat? Could the person have been a relative or friend fed up with the tone of posts directed at her? You stated you didn't like the persona ...

These chats happened in the chatrooms at Etsy before Nicholas disappeared when she was still BellaStyleBoutique. I've been in the same chats. I also know at least one person not involved her who also remembers those chats (to confirm I wasn't seeing things wrong).

Without the context of that experience, it might be difficult to explain to a non-Etsy person how it works.

moonlessnite

03-05-2008, 09:42 PM

When they found the car, 3 or 4 days later?, I had the feeling he had driven it somewhere, met someone there and continued on his way with them after giving his car to someone else with whom he had pre-arranged to take the car back and drop it somewhere. that person may or may not have been associated with the condos where it was found.
As far as weird feelings go, I live in the south Seattle area and have the weird feeling he's around here. I have since it happened. But maybe it's just the level of consciousness about it down here that feels like a presence.

field of snow

03-05-2008, 09:57 PM

Decor,

Would you say the same if a wife was missing in the same manner and the husband was left behind? Can you answer that honestly?

I am a wife and a mother. I have three kids close in age, too. On the surface, we have a lot in common -- right down to selling on Etsy. I could identify with her there. But she's said enough and done enough for me to form the opinions about her that I have. I cannot simply ignore or erase those feelings about her because I indentify with her as a woman/wife/mother.

If you and others cannot see what I am seeing about her, that's just how it goes. I know I am not alone in my opinions though. I don't feel wrong for expressing them here. I know it would be wrong to express them at her Support Blog. But based on history of other cases, I didn't see these boards as prayer/support boards for all spouses with missing spouses.

BTW, this isn't a circus. It's more of an insane asylum. :)

Originally posted by decor

I think Christine has said far less than any of us. Her every move, her every word, her every emotion has been scrutinized to the limit, even to the point of questioning where her children came from. This was all done because she didn't behave the way most people thought she should behave for someone whose husband was missing. that was it.

who really turned this into a circus? [/*]

moonlessnite

03-05-2008, 09:58 PM

I am new to this board, but I was under the impression this is a place to discuss possibilities surrounding this case. Is it the place to discuss whether we like or dislike anyone and whether it's okay to like and dislike anyone?
I put my two cents, or two hundred dollars, in on this board */c I had my doubts about this case, and I felt bad for thinking that way. But when I saw that so many others questioned the same things I did, and were from all over the country, I felt more justified in my criticisms and also wanted to share my in-person experience, to round out the impressions people have gotten from chats, blogs, and TV interviews.

I don't believe I ever saw anyone diagnose CF. You would have to be a licensed mental health counselor to do that. I know I wrote what I did (a comment about personality tendencies and possibilities) because I'm interested in motive.

I know in a country where being against an illegal war is considered unpatriotic, that maybe one can draw the line to thinking that using a critical eye is the same as being mean or bitchy. It isn't.

kpb

03-05-2008, 10:00 PM

quote:
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And I'll ask again ... do you know positively that it was Christine posting in chat? Could the person have been a relative or friend fed up with the tone of posts directed at her? You stated you didn't like the persona ...
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These chats happened in the chatrooms at Etsy before Nicholas disappeared when she was still BellaStyleBoutique. I've been in the same chats. I also know at least one person not involved her who also remembers those chats (to confirm I wasn't seeing things wrong).

Without the context of that experience, it might be difficult to explain to a non-Etsy person how it works.

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Exactly what I was going to say, but not as well. :)

These are Etsy chats and they are fairly new. For one thing I am sure none of them, have her password. What would of been the point of going in the chats to "act" like Christine and complain about her husband? If her mother/sister/brother are that desperate to get to speak in the Etsy chats (which I am sure they aren't if they even know about them), they would just make up a name.

I guess if you aren't familiar with Etsy, none of that makes any sense anyway. :biggrin:

Even though someone vents on a Chat Room about their hubby, that really doesn't mean anything I guess. A lot of people over on Etsy complain about their boyfriend/spouse, but I am sure most love them. Just a way to let off steam. I've never done it, but you can be sure I never will now! :eek:

huskiki

03-05-2008, 10:03 PM

OT kind of but not really.

Does anyone know how to change their profile picture on myspace? They've changed things around and I can't figure it out. LOL

HarlettOhara

03-05-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
OT kind of but not really.

Does anyone know how to change their profile picture on myspace? They've changed things around and I can't figure it out. LOL [/*]

Go in to your albums and you have to make the pix you want to use as your profile the default pix...

huskiki

03-05-2008, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

Go in to your albums and you have to make the pix you want to use as your profile the default pix... [/*]

Thank You!

kpb

03-05-2008, 10:07 PM

Wouldn't LE ask C personal questions that she probably wouldn't want to hear? I am sure they asked if she thought he was seeing someone else, if N was the children's natural or step father and many more personal questions to try to find her husband.

That's why I don't understand some people getting upset over things that have been thrown out here. C does appear to have a rather "all about me" persona, but that is only what she has shown us. In her normal life, without the stress she is feeling, she is no doubt a lovely person.

huskiki

03-05-2008, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by kpb
Wouldn't LE ask C personal questions that she probably wouldn't want to hear? I am sure they asked if she thought he was seeing someone else, if N was the children's natural or step father and many more personal questions to try to find her husband.

That's why I don't understand some people getting upset over things that have been thrown out here. C does appear to have a rather "all about me" persona, but that is only what she has shown us. In her normal life, without the stress she is feeling, she is no doubt a lovely person. [/*]

Good point kpb. We only know what we have observed of Christine since Nicholas disappeared. I think she strives to be the best wife and mother that she can be.

abstr

03-05-2008, 10:27 PM

This was one of the questions Christine answered on the Francisco site. Was in his name but a discount for being a Publicis employee.

(Sorry if someone already responded to this...I'm way behind on my reading of the posts)

Originally posted by kpb

----------------

Regarding the cell phone that NF got a discount through work. When I got my phone, Verizon came out to my job and signed people up. We got a discount for signing up at work, but the bill came to me and no paperwork at all went to my employer. [/*]

field of snow

03-05-2008, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Good point kpb. We only know what we have observed of Christine since Nicholas disappeared. I think she strives to be the best wife and mother that she can be. [/*]

And some of us observed before he disappeared...

I don't doubt that her entire life is dedicated to being the best mother and wife. JMO, but that dedication could also be the motive I am looking for when I feel that she really knew this wasn't foul play, but rather abandonment. We all want to read about sweet wonderful husbands who bring coffee and remodel rooms into crafting studio space for us. Nobody wants to blog about how their husband left them. (Well, okay...some do like doing that, but that doesn't seem to be her thing).

RainyNiteNTx

03-05-2008, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by sarahsgsr

This kind of reminds me of the Polly Klaas abduction. Marc Klaas said that law enforcement asked him the most awful, horrible questions you could think of and that he immediately volunteered for a lie detector test, just so he could exclude himself as a suspect and he could get LE to focus on who kidnapped his daughter. Im not saying that CF needs to volunteer for lie detectors or that she has anything to do with Nicholas' disappearance, but I hope that she has been forthcoming with LE as any little tidbit she shares could be the key to bringing Nicholas home.

Again this is JMO! [/*]

Hi Sarah - welcome. I've used Marc Klaas as an example also. For some reason this case is different and this forum is different. Very odd.

Danette44

03-05-2008, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Maranantha

How do you know that is was actually Christine on chat? Could it have possibly been her mom, sister, brother, friend?

I'm sure many here have read Sharon's book "For Laci". She couldn't get out of bed, but she also couldn't sleep. IMO, Christine is in the same shape. Brain can't stop from worry, despair, anger, fear.

Has Christine ever given interviews before? Probably not, and I would surmise she has definitely not given a national one under these circumstances.

Does she have media handlers? Does she have a lawyer? Nope, she's a young wife and mother who doesn't know where her husband is. I'm surprised her sentences haven't been diagrammed and any grammatical errors glaringly pointed out.

MOO. [/*]

She had a friend that had a Lawyer friend and he went to her house to talk to her and she said he told her she didn't need a lawyer. No comparison between Sharon and Christine...MOO

decor

03-05-2008, 10:45 PM

snowfield

There was a time that I would have given either side the benefit of the doubt. But because of all of the men that have been killing their wives instead of just divorcing them I would probably suspect the husband to a certain degree.

BUT no one suspects Christine of foul play.

I have often watched court trials where the person is convicted because they didn't "act" like everyone else did and it always makes me angry.
We are all supposed to be in these neat little packages where we all react the same way and if it is out of the norm then there is something wrong.

I saw a man interviewed on tv a few months ago because he had been notified that day that his son had been killed in Iraq. He was smiling through the interview and saying nice things about his son and all I could think was wow if you had been on trial they would have convicted you because this isn't the way people "normally" react to the news that their child has died in a war.

dissecting Christine has not brought anyone closer to finding Nicholas and has accomplished nothing and yet people continue because they have the "right" to do it. I have no idea what purpose it is serving them but it sure isn't doing anything for this case.

Shimz

03-05-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by Shimz
Ok, so reading back it is thought that NF had an etsy site, If noone knows what i am talking about i will try to find the link. wait... here it is http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=5591152 ...

Anyway, I went to it and then name of this store is Kauno... so i think this site is relatively new (2/3/08), so it made me wonder what Kauno meant. People put a lot of thought and meaning into their names, so i figured i would research...

it could have other meanings, and it may be nothing but what i did find was interesting... it was a long website.. here is what i found interesting....

Kauno means "Torch" or "Firebrand." Some sources define it as an "Ulcer" or "Wound." Basically, it is symbolic of light, enlightenment and opening (in the form of a gateway or portal leading from darkness into light or unconsciousness to consciousness). Kauno dispels darkness and ignorance, allowing an individual to discern the truth, thus becoming more aware and gaining new insight. This Rune also teaches that enlightenment needs to be used and shared in order to be of any worth, as well as suggesting natural warmth and companionship. However, this Rune may also serve as a warning to beware of the sources of heat and/or light or of physical danger. Therefore, care should be taken to avoid accidents and to quickly treat any illness, as well as working toward resolution of any mental dilemma. Kauno suggests a understanding of life and its meaning on a personal level. New insights await, but there must be a guard against becoming complacent. New understanding must be used or it will be worthless. Thus, ways should be sought in which to use insights for both personal good and the good of others. Enlightenment is replenishable...the more it is used, then the more knowledge is gained. Enlightenment in and of itself should not be the ultimate goal...simply the starting point of a great adventure that leads to abundant wisdom and understanding, provided truth and honesty are employed. The Runic Number of Kauno is 6. Its color is light red, its element is fire and its polarity is female.

Here is the link if anyone is interested

http://www.novareinna.com/constellation/cancertarot.html

--- btw, just thought it was interesting given the different ideas everyone here has come up with, JMOO! ---- [/*]

ok since nobody commented on this, i am guessing it really isn't relevant, but if NF did know of this meaning of the word, then it could give some insight to his state of mind right before he disappeared..... at the very least, if he did come into foul play, then this is kind of spooky, the whole beware of danger thing, like being careful to keep his phone charged in case something happened.... i duno.. moo

Maranatha

03-05-2008, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Envision

As I stated previously, I am talking about her chatting from earlier last year before any of this. And for the record, the only way to get into an etsy chat is to be a member of etsy and use your member ID thereby needing a password to log into your member area. I can't imagine her giving out her password to so many people as you have suggested. [/*]

Not if family or friends are in the house monitoring the Etsy chat and using C's computer, already logged in. :)

"So many people" ... honestly.

ThruTheTrees

03-05-2008, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by Shimz

ok since nobody commented on this, i am guessing it really isn't relevant, but if NF did know of this meaning of the word, then it could give some insight to his state of mind right before he disappeared..... at the very least, if he did come into foul play, then this is kind of spooky, the whole beware of danger thing, like being careful to keep his phone charged in case something happened.... i duno.. moo [/*]

I posted this last night too, the same excerpt about the meaning of the Kauno rune.

I think there was just one comment then, that maybe this board could be renamed "Kauno" -- since basically what we are doing here is trying to "discern the truth" (one of the meanings of Kauno)

Shimz

03-05-2008, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I posted this last night too, the same excerpt about the meaning of the Kauno rune.

I think there was just one comment then, that maybe this board could be renamed "Kauno" -- since basically what we are doing here is trying to "discern the truth" (one of the meanings of Kauno) [/*]

lol sorry, i must have missed that last night

Maranatha

03-05-2008, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

She had a friend that had a Lawyer friend and he went to her house to talk to her and she said he told her she didn't need a lawyer. No comparison between Sharon and Christine...MOO [/*]

Oh wait just a minute. No comparison???? Laci "went missing", Nic has "gone missing" -- people who love them are agonizing?

I'm not reliving this nightmare of those type of posts again.

See ya.

decor

03-05-2008, 10:55 PM

Kauno was talked about yesterday or the day before and there were a lot of responses because it also the name of a coffee and he worked at Starbucks?

desmom

03-05-2008, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by Shimz

ok since nobody commented on this, i am guessing it really isn't relevant, but if NF did know of this meaning of the word, then it could give some insight to his state of mind right before he disappeared..... at the very least, if he did come into foul play, then this is kind of spooky, the whole beware of danger thing, like being careful to keep his phone charged in case something happened.... i duno.. moo [/*]

I read this earlier, got busy and have not had time to respond. Interesting reading.

There is also a font called Digital Kauno.

Danette44

03-05-2008, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by Maranantha

Oh wait just a minute. No comparison???? Laci "went missing", Nic has "gone missing" -- people who love them are agonizing?

I'm not reliving this nightmare of those type of posts again.

See ya. [/*]

Please don't go Maranatha - what I mean is - Sharon had a daughter and grandson missing, the husband was cheating.......Yes Christine has a husband missing, but I just can't compare them, two type of people.......sorry just the way I see it, please no need to go.......we are here to post our opinons thats all, sorry if I offended you.

kpb

03-05-2008, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Yes LE would but then they are professionals and would not post the interview on a public forum for the entire world to read.

LE=professional
This and other crime forums are made up of hobbyists, there is a big difference.
There has been many uncalled for things posted about CF and anyone can simply go back over all the threads and read to prove my point.
Anytime you do not feel someone does not deserve to have a donation fund then just don't give and forget about it. No one forces you to give money. Most of the negative attitude came from Esty and should be settled there not here but that is just my opinion. [/*]

Then why are we here? Are we supposed to not mention what may offend anyone? We haven't posted an interview because we don't know the answers. Just throwing all kinds of scenarios out there.

No we aren't professionals, so then I guess everyone is here to chat and say over and over again that it's a shame her husband is missing... she makes nice aprons, she seems like a good mother, N seems like a good father, just so C doesn't get her feelings hurt is she comes and reads this??

I really don't think anyone here is being cruel... they are exploring all options. Perhaps the Support Blog would make you more comfortable.

decor

03-05-2008, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Envision
Are you sure you don't mean Kona coffee? I have never heard of a Kauno but that's not to say someone doesn't offer that. I know Starbucks themselves names some of their blends. [/*]

this I am not sure of at all because I don't drink coffee so I don't know the names of it.

kpb

03-05-2008, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Envision
Beth, your PM is full! [/*]

Ditto! :beer:

Danette44

03-05-2008, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by kpb

Then why are we here? Are we supposed to not mention what may offend anyone? We haven't posted an interview because we don't know the answers. Just throwing all kinds of scenarios out there.

No we aren't professionals, so then I guess everyone is here to chat and say over and over again that it's a shame her husband is missing... she makes nice aprons, she seems like a good mother, N seems like a good father, just so C doesn't get her feelings hurt is she comes and reads this??

I really don't think anyone here is being cruel... they are exploring all options. Perhaps the Support Blog would make you more comfortable. [/*]

Has anyone here ever follow the Naomi Arnett case - she was the wife missing with 7 children....her husband was all over the internet dending himself, and then court tv and came in and for months carried on conversation swore he had nothing to do it, his sister was caring for all 7 kids plus her own, and everyone from the boards were sending care packages, school clothes to help her out. Texas Search team came in Tim Miller and in one day they found her body - that happens on allot of these boards are spouses do come in and carry on a nornal conversation til they are arrested. We have Christine making post else where telling people to shut up that actually was trying to help her......

So yes, some have doubts or wonder what her role is in all, and in reality we'll probably never find out. jmoo I got stomp on here a fews days ago and thought I just need not post, but it's hard no do......I pray with all my heart Nicholas is safe and sound and perhaps clearing his head....:rose:

desmom

03-05-2008, 11:31 PM

Sometimes it is best to

Agree to Disagree

and move on!

jmo

Danette44

03-05-2008, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by desmom
Sometimes it is best to

Agree to Disagree

and move on!

jmo [/*]

Agree! Thanks desmom

field of snow

03-05-2008, 11:35 PM

Danette44

03-05-2008, 11:45 PM

Desmom, you were over on the Trenton Duckett case also right, may I PM with a question and yes regarding this case also...??

field of snow

03-05-2008, 11:48 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

If you think that then you haven't read all these posts but I have. I am just fine right here. I do find it strange that for those who don't like CF it is okay to post their opinions as an excuse to be rude but It is wrong for me or anyone who has a different opinion to express them. Perhaps those from Esty should take all the Esty stuff back to your own forum. This is not about Esty it is about Nick. [/*]

The problem is you aren't expressing your opinion about those involved in the case or what happened. You are spending most of your time expressing your opinion about other posters and whether they are right or wrong for sharing their opinion. There is a difference.

And now because some of us are also sellers on Etsy, we need to leave? Wow. Just wow.

I am sorry but their web site (FS) is so disgusting I just can't trust that family. [/*]

Care to explain how you can write that on another forum, but we cannot say something like: "Her attitude is so suspicious, I just cannot trust that woman". (just an example)

You're not being fair. Go ahead and give your opinion on how you think she's good and sweet. I won't let you not have that opinion. But you and afew others aren't letting us have our opinion based on experience and general instinct.

desmom

03-05-2008, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by Danette44
Desmom, you were over on the Trenton Duckett case also right, may I PM with a question and yes regarding this case also...?? [/*]

Okie Dokie.

desmom

03-05-2008, 11:55 PM

Bickering amongst posters will get this board closed down.

Please stay on topic.

If Publicis had a parking garage, why would NF park on the street?

field of snow

03-05-2008, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by desmom
Bickering amongst posters will get this board closed down.

Please stay on topic.

If Publicis had a parking garage, why would NF park on the street? [/*]

I'm sorry. Everytime I ignore it, one of them starts up again. Apparently this was a theme on the Maddy McCann boards too.

As far as the garage-- I don't like parking in garages myself if I can park on the street. Also, maybe there weren't enough spaces for everyone and he lost in the lottery that year. I know some places have lotteries among employees every year for choice spots. I guess that is something we need to guess at until told otherwise.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by Snowbird

I never said anyone was sweet but I have not seen where she allowed indecent photoshop ed images to be allowed on her web site. I did see that with my own eyes on the FS site. I hope that satisfies your curiosity. Now back on the subject of Nicholas Francisco as that is the board I thought I was on. :D :D [/*]

My point was that you had that opinion because of things you saw and so you made a judgment that you didn't trust this family. That isn't any different than what those of us from..yes, that evil Etsy place that seems to be frustrating you now..see with Christine and where we are getting our opinions from. It's simple.

I'm putting my poke stick away. Carry on. :)

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by snowfield

My point was that you had that opinion because of things you saw and so you made a judgment that you didn't trust this family. That isn't any different than what those of us from..yes, that evil Etsy place that seems to be frustrating you now..see with Christine and where we are getting our opinions from. It's simple.

I'm putting my poke stick away. Carry on. :) [/*]

You guys.. you will get the board shut down.

We need to stay on topic. Etsy should NOT be the topic on Nicholas's thread unless it has something to do with him.

On another note. I know it was stated earlier that there was going to be a newspaper article written about how the disappearance is affecting Christine. Does anyone know if that has already be written or when it will be?

Silver_Dove

03-06-2008, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by Envision

I've wondered this too. It can't be they charge him to park there. Most parking structures have designated employee parking areas in them and employees are given a sticker or hang tag to put on/in their car. [/*]

Parking in that area is very tight. I worked near there and had a parking permit that would let me park in a lot IF there were spaces open get there late and no parking. Also in Seattle there is a big move to get people to use Transit so many place with parking areas still charge for employee parking.

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

Parking in that area is very tight. I worked near there and had a parking permit that would let me park in a lot IF there were spaces open get there late and no parking. Also in Seattle there is a big move to get people to use Transit so many place with parking areas still charge for employee parking. [/*]

I was going to say this same thing Silver_Dove. I worked downtown for 7 years and we had a parking garage in the building but it was ran by a seperate company than I worked for.. which I think happens alot. I got a special rate on parking but it was not free.

I am not sure who ran Publicis' parking garage. I would bet that it wasn't them tho and parking on the street.. if you can find it.. is much cheaper and easier.

desmom

03-06-2008, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

--snipped--

On another note. I know it was stated earlier that there was going to be a newspaper article written about how the disappearance is affecting Christine. Does anyone know if that has already be written or when it will be? [/*]

Tomorrow.

Here is the original post by Maranantha earlier today:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11333125#post11333125

field of snow

03-06-2008, 12:17 AM

I thought there was someone here who was friends with an employee at Publicis? Who was that?

kpb

03-06-2008, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

On another note. I know it was stated earlier that there was going to be a newspaper article written about how the disappearance is affecting Christine. Does anyone know if that has already be written or when it will be? [/*]

I thought it was supposed to run tomorrow (Thursday). I was going to check online before bed to see if they have it up, but probably not since they are 2 hours behind me.

I want to make sure to check before work in the morning.

desmom

03-06-2008, 12:18 AM

Thanks Silver_Dove & MystryPhobia for the parking info.

I guess that might explain why he had so many parking tickets.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by Maranantha

Oh wait just a minute. No comparison???? Laci "went missing", Nic has "gone missing" -- people who love them are agonizing?

I'm not reliving this nightmare of those type of posts again.

See ya. [/*]

If we're going to compare this to Laci dissappearing...
then let's do that.

Scott was Laci's spouse. Suspicions were immediately put upon Scott because of his actions and personality. Everyone was talking about him and were just sure he was lying because of the way he blinked, smiled, smirked, and laughed in interviews on tv. People did not like him because of the way he acted. I'm sure if he was solictiing funds because he desperately needed money, people would have also looked at that with suspicion.

Christine is Nicholas' spouse. People do not like her because of the way she has acted in interviews or the things she has said around the internet. People have become suspicious of her actions. Same as they became suspicious of Scott.

I am not suspicious that Christine did something to Nicholas or is responsible for his dissappearance, as I've said before. It's a possibility though, just as it is always a possibility for a man with a missing spouse. I draw the line at what I'll speculate about myself.....like the fatherhood of the children. I do and did dislike the fundraising and when I first saw it online my first thought was "hmmmm....scam". Now I have decided it may not be a scam, but an opportunity for a dramatic woman.

People can speculate as much about Christine as they did about Scott. And it's quite ok for others to disagree with them and even think it's cruel to speculate about such things.
We all have varying opinions. I think the scenarios have been beat to death on here and with no new news, we just go around and around and get at each other's throats. That happens a lot on these boards when there is nothing newand people begin to speculate a lot more, hungry for some news.

desmom

03-06-2008, 12:30 AM

IIRC, it was reported NF left the office a little after 6. How much traffic/foot traffic would be in the area at that time of day?

TIA

desmom

03-06-2008, 12:41 AM

Night All!

:rose: Nicholas Francisco and family

need2no

03-06-2008, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
IMO...etsy has their way of comforting C, by their prayers, their generious donations, their candles for N, and general support..and C and her children need all that.

IMO...this thread is geared toward brainstorming, thinking, throwing out thoughts and ideas, to help C and N in another way, by trying to dig and dig to try to find out where N is, and is he ok or not ok....

speaking for myself, i want to think he left on his own, and he is ok, so i lean toward finding reasons why he may have left on his own, maybe it's because i don't like to think about the alternative, ( i do think about the alternative, but it upsets me, and it upsets me for C and the children)

JMO MOO and not meant to disrespect anyone. [/*]

Well stated, and I agree.

I'll just add one thought to yours..if he walked I want to believe he did so because of his love for his family, to protect them from whatever caused him to feel the need to walk away.

Silver_Dove

03-06-2008, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by desmom
Thanks Silver_Dove & MystryPhobia for the parking info.

I guess that might explain why he had so many parking tickets. [/*]

lol I had parking tickets when I work in that area too.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

You guys.. you will get the board shut down.

We need to stay on topic. Etsy should NOT be the topic on Nicholas's thread unless it has something to do with him.

On another note. I know it was stated earlier that there was going to be a newspaper article written about how the disappearance is affecting Christine. Does anyone know if that has already be written or when it will be? [/*]

Mystry, just curious. Do you think the family has requested such an article? It just seems once again the focus is on Christine, instead of Nicholas. Where are the articles about Nicholas???
Do you think the fund set up at the bank will be mentioned yet again in the article.....they will tell people how they can help by donating to this fund? That's what I expect. I'm sorry, it just seems like a self-serving article. I may be wrong and maybe the fund won't be brought up at all. We'll see, I guess.

I just think the articles should be about finding Nicholas...not about Christine. Why do an article about how this is affecting Christine? I'd be curious how this article came about. Can you recall other articles about the affect on wifes of other missing men? Or even murdered men? It's pretty easy to figure out the contents of article before even reading it.

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by desmom

Tomorrow.

Here is the original post by Maranantha earlier today:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11333125#post11333125 [/*]

Thank you much.. I knew I read but then I couldn't find it. Thought I was losing my mind. You saved me.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 12:47 AM

I wonder how long ago the ownd the Jeep Wrangler and what year it was.

I also wonder if they have a second car that Christine drove. If not, then I would hope the police have given her Nicholas' car by now.

need2no

03-06-2008, 12:47 AM

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

Mystry, just curious. Do you think the family has requested such an article? It just seems once again the focus is on Christine, instead of Nicholas. Where are the articles about Nicholas???
Do you think the fund set up at the bank will be mentioned yet again in the article.....they will tell people how they can help by donating to this fund? That's what I expect. I'm sorry, it just seems like a self-serving article. I may be wrong and maybe the fund won't be brought up at all. We'll see, I guess.

I just think the articles should be about finding Nicholas...not about Christine. Why do an article about how this is affecting Christine? I'd be curious how this article came about. Can you recall other articles about the affect on wifes of other missing men? Or even murdered men? It's pretty easy to figure out the contents of article before even reading it. [/*]

I kinda think it would be a way to keep the story out there.. there is no new info to report on. They can't really just keep running the same story every day. So.. if they make it a human interest piece about how this pregnant wife.. mother of his children is coping.. and then get his picture and name out there while they are at it.. it keeps the story alive for another day.

That is my take on it anyway.

ETA.. Look at Drew Peterson... he got a front page spread on People Magazine about how he was coping with his wife's disappearance.. and he got money from a website set up to take donations even tho he lives in a huge beautiful house.. wrote checks for about a 1/4 of a million to his son.. just in case... etc. etc.

need2no

03-06-2008, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by Nellie
I wonder how long ago the ownd the Jeep Wrangler and what year it was.

I also wonder if they have a second car that Christine drove. If not, then I would hope the police have given her Nicholas' car by now. [/*]

There was another car in their carport in the pics of their house.
Don't recall when the pics were made.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by Nellie
I wonder how long ago the ownd the Jeep Wrangler and what year it was.

I also wonder if they have a second car that Christine drove. If not, then I would hope the police have given her Nicholas' car by now. [/*]

It hasn't been that long since he had the Jeep.

It appears that she had a Subura Outback.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I kinda think it would be a way to keep the story out there.. there is no new info to report on. They can't really just keep running the same story every day. So.. if they make it a human interest piece about how this pregnant wife.. mother of his children is coping.. and then get his picture and name out there while they are at it.. it keeps the story alive for another day.

That is my take on it anyway.

ETA.. Look at Drew Peterson... he got a front page spread on People Magazine about how he was coping with his wife's disappearance.. and he got money from a website set up to take donations even tho he lives in a huge beautiful house.. wrote checks for about a 1/4 of a million to his son.. just in case... etc. etc. [/*]

Anyone donating their hard earned money to Drew Peterson are idiots! LOL!

So, if they do an article about how she is coping, do you think she'll acknowledge all of the financial help she has recieved from her friends at Etsy and how much it has meant to her? Will she tell about all the friends and family that have helped her out so much? That would be part of telling how she is coping, right?

Nellie

03-06-2008, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by Snowbird

The Daily Dunklin has done quite a few articles on the effects of Missing Teresa Butler on the lives of her family. At different times on her husband and two little boys and then they focused on the effects of her elderly parents. There has been no news and no traces of how she disappeared. Those articles were welcomed because they put her back in the news and hopefully put pressure on LE to keep working on her case. [/*]

I can understand that. How long has Teresa Butler been missing? I'm not familiar with that case.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by snowfield

It hasn't been that long since he had the Jeep.

It appears that she had a Subura Outback. [/*]

I was just thinking out loud and wondering if they had the Jeep recently and maybe lost it for financial reasons. Maybe not. Just a thought. She seemed really disgusted at the car he drove in that interview....almost angry about it. JMO

MystryPhobia

03-06-2008, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

Anyone donating their hard earned money to Drew Peterson are idiots! LOL!

So, if they do an article about how she is coping, do you think she'll acknowledge all of the financial help she has recieved from her friends at Etsy and how much it has meant to her? Will she tell about all the friends and family that have helped her out so much? That would be part of telling how she is coping, right? [/*]

Well.. I have to say Nellie... if she doesn't mention it then I would seriously have to take a step back and think hmmm. Those people have done a lot for her and she should publically acknowledge that so I really do hope that is mentioned.

Wish it was video taped tho.

field of snow

03-06-2008, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

I was just thinking out loud and wondering if they had the Jeep recently and maybe lost it for financial reasons. Maybe not. Just a thought. She seemed really disgusted at the car he drove in that interview....almost angry about it. JMO [/*]

http://www.jeepscanada.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38431&page=2

He was having trouble with it back in 2006 and posted on the Jeep Boards (Canada???)

I know others who loved their Jeeps, but gave up on it for a more frugal boring vehicle because of family budget restraints. There are always issues with those Jeeps it seems. That red car does seem rather blah after a Jeep though...

Nellie

03-06-2008, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Well.. I have to say Nellie... if she doesn't mention it then I would seriously have to take a step back and think hmmm. Those people have done a lot for her and she should publically acknowledge that so I really do hope that is mentioned.

Wish it was video taped tho. [/*]

Well, if she hasn't done the article yet and is reading here....maybe she'll be sure to! :D
She didn't mention it on Greta which I found odd.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 01:19 AM

Nellie

03-06-2008, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Jan. 24 or 25 2005

You haven't heard about it because they are poor so no Nancy Grace, no Greta, no national coverage. Poor people do not get national coverage. [/*]

I guess I could see a human interest story a bit later....to show how the family has had to move on but still keep hope alive.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Jeep Wrangler 97
Probably not for financial reasons, really sorry. [/*]

Ok,thanks! It was just a thought.....

field of snow

03-06-2008, 01:23 AM

I wonder if Nicholas played online games? World of Warcraft, for example?

Nellie

03-06-2008, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by snowfield

http://www.jeepscanada.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38431&page=2

He was having trouble with it back in 2006 and posted on the Jeep Boards (Canada???)

I know others who loved their Jeeps, but gave up on it for a more frugal boring vehicle because of family budget restraints. There are always issues with those Jeeps it seems. That red car does seem rather blah after a Jeep though... [/*]

Thank you snowfield...

K Anne

03-06-2008, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by Shimz

ok since nobody commented on this, i am guessing it really isn't relevant, but if NF did know of this meaning of the word, then it could give some insight to his state of mind right before he disappeared..... at the very least, if he did come into foul play, then this is kind of spooky, the whole beware of danger thing, like being careful to keep his phone charged in case something happened.... i duno.. moo [/*]

Actually I just read this for the third time tonight and though only the Hawaiian aspect (was it that?) was interesting at first, this part

New understanding must be used or it will be worthless. Thus, ways should be sought in which to use insights for both personal good and the good of others.

reminds me of the church. :(

field of snow

03-06-2008, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by Snowbird

Christine would probably know that, but there was a link mentioned in netdetective.......... [/*]

You ran him through NetDetective (if that is the same site I am thinking of?) and a link to an online game like WoW popped up?

Can you expand on that?

BTW, my husband plays WoW (world of warcraft), but he has friends he plays with that do it secretly -- I guess 40-something geeks don't want to let anyone know their dirty little secret. hehe

K Anne

03-06-2008, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

Mystry, just curious. Do you think the family has requested such an article? It just seems once again the focus is on Christine, instead of Nicholas. Where are the articles about Nicholas???
Do you think the fund set up at the bank will be mentioned yet again in the article.....they will tell people how they can help by donating to this fund? That's what I expect. I'm sorry, it just seems like a self-serving article. I may be wrong and maybe the fund won't be brought up at all. We'll see, I guess.

I just think the articles should be about finding Nicholas...not about Christine. Why do an article about how this is affecting Christine? I'd be curious how this article came about. Can you recall other articles about the affect on wifes of other missing men? Or even murdered men? It's pretty easy to figure out the contents of article before even reading it. [/*]

Just for balance, here, I have contacted a number of news sites or providers in various places in the past 24 hours. So for all you know, *I* am the one who requested the article.

If you want to see news about Nicholas, ASK FOR IT. Ask EVERYWHERE. It doesn't take much effort or time, and the more people who are asking, the more likely the news media will pick up the story.

Also I would suspend expectation of the article content until you see it. Let there be room for something novel, a twist, a different take, something that will lead you to the logic that finds this woman's husband.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by Nellie
I wonder how long ago the ownd the Jeep Wrangler and what year it was.

I also wonder if they have a second car that Christine drove. If not, then I would hope the police have given her Nicholas' car by now. [/*]

Oh, my god. In that scenario I would be torn between wanting to sleep in it 24/7 to soak up whatever vibes were there, and driving it off a cliff. It would completely freak me out.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by Nellie
Do you think the fund set up at the bank will be mentioned yet again in the article.....they will tell people how they can help by donating to this fund? That's what I expect. I'm sorry, it just seems like a self-serving article. I may be wrong and maybe the fund won't be brought up at all. We'll see, I guess.
[/*]

Also if I were writing the article? (And how do you know I'm not?) Inclusion of that fund information and donation possibility are kind of up to me. And I would include it.

The thing you have to remember is that CF did not set up these funds or donation channels. That was a community-based effort and she probably could not have stopped it if she'd tried.

need2no

03-06-2008, 02:05 AM

K Anne

03-06-2008, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia
[re: mentioning Etsy help in tomorrow's article]

Well.. I have to say Nellie... if she doesn't mention it then I would seriously have to take a step back and think hmmm. Those people have done a lot for her and she should publically acknowledge that so I really do hope that is mentioned.

Wish it was video taped tho. [/*]

OH HELL NO. They've been thanked in several places on and off that site. She need not mention anyone or any website by name, this is not the Oscars, nor is it an advertising opportunity.

If this is honestly foul play, I would stick with generality and thank "the online communities" that have helped her.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

Well, if she hasn't done the article yet and is reading here....maybe she'll be sure to! :D
She didn't mention it on Greta which I found odd. [/*]

Would you mention it on Greta? I wouldn't.

People, prioritize! If you're on national television, or sitting with a journalist from whichever newspaper, because your husband is missing, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TALK ABOUT.

I know she received a ton of moral and other support at Etsy. If any of you provided some of that support, good on you. But in the overall story of NF's disappearance, and why he disappeared, and where he might be, it totally doesn't matter. And in a story of how CF is coping now, and what she's facing, what can she really say about Etsy? She has shops there; she sells her wares there; she received a lot of support from the forum community and is grateful. AND THAT'S IT. She has 2 children and one in utero, bills to pay, and no one can say what happened to the man who for all appearances is the love of her life.

IMO Etsy shouldn't be mentioned at ALL.

K Anne

03-06-2008, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by snowfield
I wonder if Nicholas played online games? World of Warcraft, for example? [/*]

I was thinking, what's the other one, Second Life? :(

field of snow

03-06-2008, 02:24 AM

field of snow

03-06-2008, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by K Anne

I was thinking, what's the other one, Second Life? :( [/*]

Yeah, i've read of several situations where people got sucked up into Second Life, including affairs.

Same has happened on World of Warcraft and I am sure several others.

The reason WoW popped in my head was "Kauno" and it's meaning (Rune seems very WoWish) and also the "Face of Moon" original name of his design business. But there other games that could fit too. (Runescape?)

need2no

03-06-2008, 02:29 AM

field of snow

03-06-2008, 02:30 AM

going to bed.....sweet dreams

Nellie

03-06-2008, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by K Anne

Oh, my god. In that scenario I would be torn between wanting to sleep in it 24/7 to soak up whatever vibes were there, and driving it off a cliff. It would completely freak me out. [/*]

It's a car! She may not have one! I would think she'd NEED it if she has no other! She's able to live in the house they shared...I'm sure she could drive a car he drove. She can sleep in the bed they shared 24/7 and soak up his vibes there. Why would a car freak her out any more than anything else?....if she needed it.

moonlessnite

03-06-2008, 03:02 AM

did anyone see this Law & Order? maybe not comparable to this case, but a testament to the weirdness that goes on out there and the mistakes people make out of passion.
-the story is a woman kills her husband */c she thinks he's having an affair. She found tapes of him talking about a love interest and shot him. Turns out the love interest was his own wife and he was writing a memoir using a tape recorder. The wife realizes her folly and the loss of her own love, and her mistake.
It's only TV, but... they get these stories from somewhere. real life is stranger than fiction sometimes, too.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by K Anne

OH HELL NO. They've been thanked in several places on and off that site. She need not mention anyone or any website by name, this is not the Oscars, nor is it an advertising opportunity.

If this is honestly foul play, I would stick with generality and thank "the online communities" that have helped her. [/*]

Goodness, calm down! She doesn't have to mention any names to include in the article that she has received a lot of assistance form family and friends and community and is grateful for them. The ommission of this acknowledgement would not give a true picture of how she is coping, would it? If she just goes on about being pregnant with two small children and their only source for income being stopped.....it would not give a true and accurate picture, imo. She's probably actually had more income in the last two weeks than most of us! Income is income, so if anything comes up in the article about Nicholas being her only income it would mislead people to think she's had nothing since he left. I would think she'd want to acknowledge the help she has received....even if asking for more. I know I would.

And if she doesn't acknowledge the people who were "taking shifts" for all of their help, then it would give a lopsided story of her being all alone to do it all since he left. Or acknowledge that people have brought in food. It's not about giving out Oscars. It's about giving true picture of the affect it is having on the family, which would include how they are dealing with everything. Isn't that what the story is about?

Now maybe she'll acknowledge all of this. We'll see.... I just know I would and will be interested to see if she does.

And, yes, you could be the reporter writing the story for all I know. You could be K Anne from Etsy. You could be Christine Anne for all I know. And I could be the IRS watching this income for all you know! We can be anyone we want to be on here!

One other thing....I must have missed her thank you's online. I saw thanks for prayers, but missed any thank you's for money. Do you have links for them?

K Anne

03-06-2008, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

It's a car! She may not have one! I would think she'd NEED it if she has no other! She's able to live in the house they shared...I'm sure she could drive a car he drove. She can sleep in the bed they shared 24/7 and soak up his vibes there. Why would a car freak her out any more than anything else?....if she needed it. [/*]

! Because her husband went missing from her life in it! Because who knows what happened in that car that night. Because who knows who last sat in the driver's seat of that car, or what they said or thought or did, in the moments just before or after her husband vanished into thin air.

Have you ever had your car stolen, and returned? Feels different, creepy, not yours anymore. Once they're done with analysing whatever is and isn't in the car, once it's free to go, I hope she sells it immediately, or better yet, gets it to a junkyard.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by need2no

I doubt all of the monetary donations she has received have been just from the "online communities". Then there is also the food brought in, assistance with caring for her children, physical searches for Nicholas, the PI, phone calls, cards/letters/emails, prayers, etc. Best she stick with one general thank you to all of those who have helped in one way or the other. [/*]

you need2no that your pm is full! :D

Nellie

03-06-2008, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by K Anne

! Because her husband went missing from her life in it! Because who knows what happened in that car that night. Because who knows who last sat in the driver's seat of that car, or what they said or thought or did, in the moments just before or after her husband vanished into thin air.

Have you ever had your car stolen, and returned? Feels different, creepy, not yours anymore. Once they're done with analysing whatever is and isn't in the car, once it's free to go, I hope she sells it immediately, or better yet, gets it to a junkyard. [/*]

Ok, point made. So maybe she needs a new car then.

I actually was only thinking of her and her needs....hoping the police had given her the car back, thinking she'd need it. I guess since there were no signs of foul play in it, I didn't consider anything bad happened in the car. You imagined much more happening in that car than I did.

Nellie

03-06-2008, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by Envision

OOOH! Can I be Princess Leia in that gold pointy bra outfit then?? :D [/*]

:biggrin: You sure can!

K Anne

03-06-2008, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by Nellie
And, yes, you could be the reporter writing the story for all I know. You could be K Anne from Etsy. You could be Christine Anne for all I know. And I could be the IRS watching this income for all you know! We can be anyone we want to be on here!

One other thing....I must have missed her thank you's online. I saw thanks for prayers, but missed any thank you's for money. Do you have links for them? [/*]

lol

If you are the IRS, I do NOT owe you more MONEY, I gave you *plenty* in 2007 and YOU owe ME. OK????

I am past bedtime here so I'm not going to hunt links to thanks for donations -- but I think those thank you posts, wherever they appeared originally, have been quoted here several times as some sort of evidence or support of idea. If that's so, they're not in the long long thread, but in one of these daily discussion ones.

If you honestly can't find them I'll look tomorrow. See you then and goodnight...

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by K Anne

lol

If you are the IRS, I do NOT owe you more MONEY, I gave you *plenty* in 2007 and YOU owe ME. OK????

I am past bedtime here so I'm not going to hunt links to thanks for donations -- but I think those thank you posts, wherever they appeared originally, have been quoted here several times as some sort of evidence or support of idea. If that's so, they're not in the long long thread, but in one of these daily discussion ones.

If you honestly can't find them I'll look tomorrow. See you then and goodnight... [/*]

Here are several links...it has Christine's first appeal where she asks for prayers and for people to put this on their blogs and MySpace. I'm not sure why she has not added Nicholas' picture to her MySpace.

The rest of the links deal with the appeal for money and her thank you.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=1
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=64

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=72

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=101

RainyNiteNTx

03-06-2008, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by desmom
IIRC, it was reported NF left the office a little after 6. How much traffic/foot traffic would be in the area at that time of day?

TIA [/*]

I believe Seattle Matt said there would be a lot of people milling around that area that time of day, leaving work, walking places, etc. I posed a question yesterday about his walking up the hill. Did he have to pass the alleyway or an area where the homeless camp out?

abstr

03-06-2008, 10:42 AM

A car charger for an I phone is not a standard pick it up anywhere charger and is not "cheap", but that said if you are going to buy a phone that is that expensive why wouldn't you buy a car charger too?
Originally posted by snowfield

I would agree with that, but every guy I know with an iPhone is such a geek about it. I cannot see guys like that letting this "toy" die because he forgot. I also cannot see not having a $10 charger in the car for such a battery hog. But I guess NF could be the exception.. [/*]

Breazy

03-06-2008, 11:56 AM

Breazy

03-06-2008, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by Shimz
Ok, so reading back it is thought that NF had an etsy site, If noone knows what i am talking about i will try to find the link. wait... here it is http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=5591152 ...

Anyway, I went to it and then name of this store is Kauno... so i think this site is relatively new (2/3/08), so it made me wonder what Kauno meant. People put a lot of thought and meaning into their names, so i figured i would research...

it could have other meanings, and it may be nothing but what i did find was interesting... it was a long website.. here is what i found interesting....

Kauno means "Torch" or "Firebrand." Some sources define it as an "Ulcer" or "Wound." Basically, it is symbolic of light, enlightenment and opening (in the form of a gateway or portal leading from darkness into light or unconsciousness to consciousness). Kauno dispels darkness and ignorance, allowing an individual to discern the truth, thus becoming more aware and gaining new insight. This Rune also teaches that enlightenment needs to be used and shared in order to be of any worth, as well as suggesting natural warmth and companionship. However, this Rune may also serve as a warning to beware of the sources of heat and/or light or of physical danger. Therefore, care should be taken to avoid accidents and to quickly treat any illness, as well as working toward resolution of any mental dilemma. Kauno suggests a understanding of life and its meaning on a personal level. New insights await, but there must be a guard against becoming complacent. New understanding must be used or it will be worthless. Thus, ways should be sought in which to use insights for both personal good and the good of others. Enlightenment is replenishable...the more it is used, then the more knowledge is gained. Enlightenment in and of itself should not be the ultimate goal...simply the starting point of a great adventure that leads to abundant wisdom and understanding, provided truth and honesty are employed. The Runic Number of Kauno is 6. Its color is light red, its element is fire and its polarity is female.

Here is the link if anyone is interested

http://www.novareinna.com/constellation/cancertarot.html

--- btw, just thought it was interesting given the different ideas everyone here has come up with, JMOO! ---- [/*]

Interesting to me too . . . and it fits Nicholas as we have heard him to be.

ThruTheTrees

03-06-2008, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by abstr
A car charger for an I phone is not a standard pick it up anywhere charger and is not "cheap", but that said if you are going to buy a phone that is that expensive why wouldn't you buy a car charger too?
[/*]

I'm surprised he didn't have a car charger either (if he didn't). But actually, they are cheap (about $10-$20) and while it can't be picked up 'anywhere" (like not at 7-11 or Safeway probably), it can be picked up at many stores with an electronics department (Walmart, Best Buy, etc)

I think there is uncertainty too whether Nicholas had more than 1 cell phone, since iPhones aren't made to run on the TMobile network (though it can be done)

Breazy

03-06-2008, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by n/t

I don't get the Safeway assumption though. And why wouldn't Nicholas just say "My car is parked up here"?

Is there anything else up here besides the Safeway? [/*]

Maybe Safeway was the only place "up here" to go. But for the co-worker to assume Nicholas was going to Safeway, it would have had to have been unusual for Nicholas to park "up here." Otherwise he would assume Nicholas was talking about "to his car" since they were leaving for the day. I mean, why would he assume "Safeway" and not "To His Car." Not unless Nicholas had mentioned sometime between the call with Christine and walking out the door that he had to run up to Safeway. But why would he even say that, especially since we've been told he was going to Costco for Organiic Sugar. So if it was unusual to park "up here" I wonder why Nicholas would have that day and why Christine would just believe he was talking about to his car. I guess what I'm getting at is why did the co-worker assume "Safeway" and Christine assume "To His Car."

Just something I thought of . . . don't have any further thoughts about where that leads. :confused:

omsk99

03-06-2008, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i have been searching the web this morning i found a couple of things

1st this link.......... notice the name
http://trailheadchurch.org/?p=173

also in facebook with the name N F that was opened at, i believe 8:16 pm, and then something added (like a avatar) at like 8:24, not exactly sure of the times......on

***********FEB 14TH***********

nothing else was added to any of the sections of HIS facebook....

but i couldn't find a year....could it have been 2007 or 2008.....

if 2007 why didn't he put anything, nothing nada, in the facebook [/*]

It says "Nicholas Johnson" :confused: