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n/t

03-03-2008, 12:18 PM

I brought the question earlier this morning regarding what else can be done to locate a loved one. This was in reference to the assigned detective taking a holiday and Christine's post saying he'll be on vacation until the 13th.

Is there anything else besides waiting for LE to give updates on the investigation?

What can Christine or his family do? I know others have called on Tim Miller but I'm guessing there has to be some sort of evidence first.

We have nothing for Nicholas. It's like he just disappeared.:(

n/t

03-03-2008, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Hi all :seeya:

I'll try to pull some links over. [/*]

Thanks Rainy :seeya:

mc528

03-03-2008, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by n/t
I brought the question earlier this morning regarding what else can be done to locate a loved one. This was in reference to the assigned detective taking a holiday and Christine's post saying he'll be on vacation until the 13th.

Is there anything else besides waiting for LE to give updates on the investigation?

What can Christine or his family do? I know others have called on Tim Miller but I'm guessing there has to be some sort of evidence first.

We have nothing for Nicholas. It's like he just disappeared.:( [/*]

Since Nicholas is still missing and presumably there is no new information, wouldn't it be a good idea for his friends and/or family to again appeal to the public, through the media, for any possible information or clues? Remind everyone (the public) that he is not forgotten, and that there is still a reward for information. I don't think there have been any updates, even in the local media, for over a week.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by n/t
I brought the question earlier this morning regarding what else can be done to locate a loved one. This was in reference to the assigned detective taking a holiday and Christine's post saying he'll be on vacation until the 13th.

Is there anything else besides waiting for LE to give updates on the investigation?

What can Christine or his family do? I know others have called on Tim Miller but I'm guessing there has to be some sort of evidence first.

We have nothing for Nicholas. It's like he just disappeared.:( [/*]

It sounded like LE wasn't going to do any active searches unless they had a solid lead. So I guess the family would conduct thier own searches but it doesn't seem as if they are. I say that because there hasn't been any news on Nicholas since 2/23.

Tim Miller probably requires some kind of background on a case before he takes it. Would TES get involved in finding people who might have taken off on their own?

huskiki

03-03-2008, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by mc528

Since Nicholas is still missing and presumably there is no new information, wouldn't it be a good idea for his friends and/or family to again appeal to the public, through the media, for any possible information or clues? Remind everyone (the public) that he is not forgotten, and that there is still a reward for information. I don't think there have been any updates, even in the local media, for over a week. [/*]

Hi mc528 :seeya:

I'm a NY'er too!

I think the lack of coverage on this case speaks for itself.

mc528

03-03-2008, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hi mc528 :seeya:

I'm a NY'er too!

I think the lack of coverage on this case speaks for itself. [/*]

:seeya: Hi, huskiki

Yes, that to me has been a concern. Even if, and especially since, there are no new leads, the friends and family should be pushing this case to remain in the public's eyesight. People do not just vanish (unless aliens really do abduct people), someone, somewhere, knows something. Reward money often jogs people's memories.

n/t

03-03-2008, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by mc528

Since Nicholas is still missing and presumably there is no new information, wouldn't it be a good idea for his friends and/or family to again appeal to the public, through the media, for any possible information or clues? Remind everyone (the public) that he is not forgotten, and that there is still a reward for information. I don't think there have been any updates, even in the local media, for over a week. [/*]

I agree. They should keep his case out there in the public but with no new leads I'm not sure the media would be interested. Any news from the PI that his employer hired?

desmom

03-03-2008, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by n/t
I brought the question earlier this morning regarding what else can be done to locate a loved one. This was in reference to the assigned detective taking a holiday and Christine's post saying he'll be on vacation until the 13th.

Is there anything else besides waiting for LE to give updates on the investigation?

What can Christine or his family do? I know others have called on Tim Miller but I'm guessing there has to be some sort of evidence first.

We have nothing for Nicholas. It's like he just disappeared.:( [/*]

I think we have to seriously consider he left.

Because he worked in advertising, I would email NF's pic to every ad agency I could find on the internet in the tri-state area and look at agencies in Canada.

I would also look at other types of jobs that would work with his qualifications and email those employers.

I would be on the phone asking questions of everyone that NF may have been in contact with in the weeks leading up to his disappearance. What was his demeanor? Did he seem distracted? Upset? Depressed? Any unusual phone calls?

I also would email his flyer to everyone in my address book and beg them to forward to everyone in their address book.

And I would flood every media outlet in the tri-state area with his flyer.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

It sounded like LE wasn't going to do any active searches unless they had a solid lead. So I guess the family would conduct thier own searches but it doesn't seem as if they are. I say that because there hasn't been any news on Nicholas since 2/23.

Tim Miller probably requires some kind of background on a case before he takes it. Would TES get involved in finding people who might have taken off on their own? [/*]

Here is a link about TES organization - looks like people who just vanished are on there...John Glasgow's pic is on there

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

mc528

03-03-2008, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by n/t

I agree. They should keep his case out there in the public but with no new leads I'm not sure the media would be interested. Any news from the PI that his employer hired? [/*]

I think that the media would be interested if there was someone calling them daily (or multiple times a day) asking to be given air time to make a plea for new leads. Especially since CF still believes it was foul play. Wouldn't the public be interested to know if there was some sort of foul play that left absolutely no trace. It would be a very scary thought to most people that something like that could happen in the middle of a busy after-work commute time.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by desmom

I think we have to seriously consider he left.

Because he worked in advertising, I would email NF's pic to every ad agency I could find on the internet in the tri-state area and look at agencies in Canada.

I would also look at other types of jobs that would work with his qualifications and email those employers.

I would be on the phone asking questions of everyone that NF may have been in contact with in the weeks leading up to his disappearance. What was his demeanor? Did he seem distracted? Upset? Depressed? Any unusual phone calls?

I also would email his flyer to everyone in my address book and beg them to forward to everyone in their address book.

And I would flood every media outlet in the tri-state area with his flyer. [/*]

I've felt that he left all along and I think Christine knows that too. The problem lies with the fact that she came out peading to the public to help find her husband. Now that she has brought this out in the open she should be honest with the public if she knows for sure that he left. Not to mention all the money that she has received but I won't go there.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Here is a link about TES organization - looks like people who just vanished are on there...John Glasgow's pic is on there

http://www.texasequusearch.org/ [/*]

Thanks Rainy,

I wasn't sure what critera had to be met before TES got involved. TES is going to be involved with Jaliek Rainwalker's disappearance once the snow melts.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Thanks Rainy,

I wasn't sure what critera had to be met before TES got involved. TES is going to be involved with Jaliek Rainwalker's disappearance once the snow melts. [/*]

You're welcome - see why isn't Nicholas' picture on here? Maybe the family doesn't know they can report it on that website? It has a link for "Report a Missing Person". People from all over the world hit that website.

decor

03-03-2008, 12:51 PM

why aren't the posts numbered? I want to refer to one and then have to go back pages to find it. :confused:

huskiki

03-03-2008, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

You're welcome - see why isn't Nicholas' picture on here? Maybe the family doesn't know they can report it on that website? It has a link for "Report a Missing Person". People from all over the world hit that website. [/*]

Here's where it gets interesting, for me at least. In order to report a missing person to TES, it has to be reported by an immediate family member. I wanted to report Jaliek missing there because I wasn't sure if the people who were actively looking for him knew about their services. Needless to say I couldn't. In his case the immediate family, Stephen Kerr his adoptive father, is the POI. So then what? In this case, I don't know how much more exposure Christine wants because I think she realizes that he left and that a lot of people are beginning to question her actions. IMO JMO

need2no

03-03-2008, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

It sounded like LE wasn't going to do any active searches unless they had a solid lead. So I guess the family would conduct thier own searches but it doesn't seem as if they are. I say that because there hasn't been any news on Nicholas since 2/23.

Tim Miller probably requires some kind of background on a case before he takes it. Would TES get involved in finding people who might have taken off on their own? [/*]

According to this blogsite there have been a couple of searches conducted on Saturdays by friends/family (?), though Christine did not participate based on her good luck comment.

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/

need2no

03-03-2008, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by decor
why aren't the posts numbered? I want to refer to one and then have to go back pages to find it. :confused: [/*]

I use the time of the post as a reference.

desmom

03-03-2008, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by decor
why aren't the posts numbered? I want to refer to one and then have to go back pages to find it. :confused: [/*]

Can you quote the post? I use the quote button in the right corner of the post.

decor

03-03-2008, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by need2no

I use the time of the post as a reference. [/*]

I do that too but it seems to be more trouble than just a numbered post. Also there can be a number of posts posted at the same time.

decor

03-03-2008, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Can you quote the post? I use the quote button in the right corner of the post. [/*]

when there are pages that I am backed up on it is easier to just quote the post #'s than trying to quote all of the people that I want to respond to.

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 01:00 PM

Once they initially look at his financial and phone records, do they ever check again to see if there's activity later? Or are these credit cards and accounts (including the phone account) shut down so there can be no more activity on them?

Also we don't seem to have any news from the PI hired by his employer. At least you'd think he could say that he hasn't been able to find anything at all. Its like he vanished too!!

I think CF should hire her own PI. Even if she thinks he left on his own, he still needs to support this family he helped make. So stay away already, just send money.

Maybe Nick and Viliamu took off for Alaska or wherever and Viliamu's wife knows where they went so she's stopped any search she may have started earlier. Something more than just a criptique note about it being a family matter would be nice but I guess its her option. Unless of course she's helping to hide Nicholas and then wouldn't she be an accessory to some sort of crime?

need2no

03-03-2008, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by mc528

I think that the media would be interested if there was someone calling them daily (or multiple times a day) asking to be given air time to make a plea for new leads. Especially since CF still believes it was foul play. Wouldn't the public be interested to know if there was some sort of foul play that left absolutely no trace. It would be a very scary thought to most people that something like that could happen in the middle of a busy after-work commute time. [/*]

I can recall a couple of cases Nancy Grace reported on when the person initially 'went missing', and then for several days, or maybe it was weeks she would show the missing person photo on her show at some point during the show, even though she no longer discussed the case. I just wonder why this hasn't been done with NF.

desmom

03-03-2008, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by decor

when there are pages that I am backed up on it is easier to just quote the post #'s than trying to quote all of the people that I want to respond to. [/*]

You could post a Re: (enter subject here) post.

need2no

03-03-2008, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by decor

I do that too but it seems to be more trouble than just a numbered post. Also there can be a number of posts posted at the same time. [/*]

True, and it certainly would be a nice little luxury to have the posts numbered.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by need2no

According to this blogsite there have been a couple of searches conducted on Saturdays by friends/family (?), though Christine did not participate based on her good luck comment.

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/ [/*]

That's good to hear, at least someone is out looking for him. I'm sure Christine didn't participate, she couldn't make it to a vigil let alone get out and actively search. Has she been placed on bed rest? I know she has children to take care of but she has stated that she has help with them. I don't know, if it were my husband I know I would be out there looking for him. Unless of course he picked up and left, then he would be on his own :D

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Here's where it gets interesting, for me at least. In order to report a missing person to TES, it has to be reported by an immediate family member. I wanted to report Jaliek missing there because I wasn't sure if the people who were actively looking for him knew about their services. Needless to say I couldn't. In his case the immediate family, Stephen Kerr his adoptive father, is the POI. So then what? In this case, I don't know how much more exposure Christine wants because I think she realizes that he left and that a lot of people are beginning to question her actions. IMO JMO [/*]

I didn't know that! Re: Nicholas - If I am remembering correctly, C emailed the director. That makes me feel a little better because it means she went to their website and hopefully saw the "report a missing person" button.- I sure wish his pic was up there.

desmom

03-03-2008, 01:08 PM

I think they are talking about the search they did a week ago http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/ because the good luck with the search post from Aimee is dated Feb. 23.

Or am I not seeing it?

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

You're welcome - see why isn't Nicholas' picture on here? Maybe the family doesn't know they can report it on that website? It has a link for "Report a Missing Person". People from all over the world hit that website. [/*]

You'd think that if CF did e-mail them she would know more things she could do with their site, etc. Even if they couldn't or wouldn't come hunting for him at that time, his name and picture up there would be better than nothing, MOO!

need2no

03-03-2008, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by decor

when there are pages that I am backed up on it is easier to just quote the post #'s than trying to quote all of the people that I want to respond to. [/*]

If I'm following what you are trying to do, another suggestion is to start your post with the nics of the people's posts you are responding to..for example:

desmom/need2no/mc538/curiouser

desmom-I see what you are saying about CF
need2no-I totally agree with all of your thoughts (LOL)
mc538/curiouser-where did y'all find the info about so and so?

Sometimes when I pop in for a few minutes and see a couple or several response to something I posted I don't want to take the time to quote and respond to each poster so I just put all the names at the beginning of one post. This way I can respond to each individually if necessary, or just one poster if my thoughts/response is the same to all.

Hope this makes sense and helps.

need2no

03-03-2008, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by desmom
I think they are talking about the search they did a week ago http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/ because the good luck with the search post from Aimee is dated Feb. 23.

Or am I not seeing it? [/*]

Scroll down to Canvass This Saturday. It states they will meet in the same place as last Saturday. At the end of this write up it says 2 comments...click on that and you will see one is the Good Luck comment from Christine.

mc528

03-03-2008, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

That's good to hear, at least someone is out looking for him. I'm sure Christine didn't participate, she couldn't make it to a vigil let alone get out and actively search. Has she been placed on bed rest? I know she has children to take care of but she has stated that she has help with them. I don't know, if it were my husband I know I would be out there looking for him. Unless of course he picked up and left, then he would be on his own :D [/*]

I think there is so much that can be done to get the word out and try and find him, even without physically leaving your house. In this day and age, and given both CF's and NF's involvement on-line, word and appeals can be sent to millions of people in a very short amount of time. The flier and a request for any information should be posted on every site that they had any affiliation with that had a forum. Any site....all social networking sites, even ones that may seem far-fetched...like sweepstakes entry, couponing, gaming, etc. All this in addition to contacting the local and national news media. None of this would likely cost any money, just time - which right now there is a lot of but with every passing day it is less and less likely that someone will remember something from 2/13.

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Scroll down to Canvass This Saturday. It states they will meet in the same place as last Saturday. At the end of this write up it says 2 comments...click on that and you will see one is the Good Luck comment from Christine. [/*]

Still the quote from Christine (via Michelle by the way) is dated Feb. 22nd, which is Friday. There's been two Saturdays since then (Feb. 23 and March 1).

desmom

03-03-2008, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Scroll down to Canvass This Saturday. It states they will meet in the same place as last Saturday. At the end of this write up it says 2 comments...click on that and you will see one is the Good Luck comment from Christine. [/*]

Thanks.

The "Canvass this Saturday. Meeting Time 11AM at Publicis?"
is dated 2/21/08.

Thanks for the help, but I am still not seeing one re: a search on 3/01/08. Sometimes I can't see the side of a barn. :D

need2no

03-03-2008, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

That's good to hear, at least someone is out looking for him. I'm sure Christine didn't participate, she couldn't make it to a vigil let alone get out and actively search. Has she been placed on bed rest? I know she has children to take care of but she has stated that she has help with them. I don't know, if it were my husband I know I would be out there looking for him. Unless of course he picked up and left, then he would be on his own :D [/*]

Unless I knew something I was keeping to myself and had a pretty darn good idea of why my hubby was 'missing', I would absolutely have to go out and look for him or I would go bonkers at home while just sitting around waiting to hear from the others who were physically searching for MY HUSBAND, and THE FATHER OF MY CHILDREN. Sitting around waiting would not work for me, and quite frankly I would find it less stressful to be out doing something productive that might help determine what happened to my DH.

dianaelaine

03-03-2008, 01:28 PM

I wish you people would stop moving around ... I'm getting confused! :tongue:

Man, right about now, I'm ready to post to Christine over on the blog ... and ask her some SERIOUS questions and tell her that she needs to GET the heck out there and FIND her husband, dead or alive!!!

:flamemad:

OK .. I'm fine now. It's just that I'm so upset with her calm demeanor and it's starting to get to me. UNLESS of course, as suggested, she does really believe or know, that he's left her ... then she NEEDS to tell the public.

I'm just getting REALLY frustrated!

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Unless I knew something I was keeping to myself and had a pretty darn good idea of why my hubby was 'missing', I would absolutely have to go out and look for him or I would go bonkers at home while just sitting around waiting to hear from the others who were physically searching for MY HUSBAND, and THE FATHER OF MY CHILDREN. Sitting around waiting would not work for me, and quite frankly I would find it less stressful to be out doing something productive that might help determine what happened to my DH. [/*]

Exactly. So I think the part of what you said that is important is, "Unless I knew something I was keeping to myself...." If she knows he's taken off, why tromp through the woods and look in lakes? It would be a waste of time.

If she does know something, why not come out and say it. The longer knowledge like that goes unstated, the more embarrassing it will be when it does finally come out. Just tell everyone and be done with it and go on from there. I even doubt if it would hurt her donations. Might even give them new impetus as people would now think how wronged she was by her husband.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by mc528

I think there is so much that can be done to get the word out and try and find him, even without physically leaving your house. In this day and age, and given both CF's and NF's involvement on-line, word and appeals can be sent to millions of people in a very short amount of time. The flier and a request for any information should be posted on every site that they had any affiliation with that had a forum. Any site....all social networking sites, even ones that may seem far-fetched...like sweepstakes entry, couponing, gaming, etc. All this in addition to contacting the local and national news media. None of this would likely cost any money, just time - which right now there is a lot of but with every passing day it is less and less likely that someone will remember something from 2/13. [/*]

I agree that there is a lot that can be done but we're not finding Nicholas' face anywhere new. There is no doubt that people have been alerted to the fact that Nicholas is missing. The problem is that it has all stopped, or so it seems.

You mention contacting the media, I can't help but wonder if they have a bad taste in their mouth over this story. I can understand why national media would back off but why have the local media stopped covering this story? If Nicholas' case is that of a missing person where foul play is involved then they should be keeping the community informed.

desmom

03-03-2008, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Unless I knew something I was keeping to myself and had a pretty darn good idea of why my hubby was 'missing', I would absolutely have to go out and look for him or I would go bonkers at home while just sitting around waiting to hear from the others who were physically searching for MY HUSBAND, and THE FATHER OF MY CHILDREN. Sitting around waiting would not work for me, and quite frankly I would find it less stressful to be out doing something productive that might help determine what happened to my DH. [/*]

The first couple of days I would probably be a basket case.

NF has been missing for almost 3 weeks. I would have to do something.....like figuring out how I was going to support our 2 children and myself.

I also would be flooding the internet with his pic, the cop shops, hospitals, urgent cares......

huskiki

03-03-2008, 01:33 PM

need2no

03-03-2008, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by Curiouser

Still the quote from Christine (via Michelle by the way) is dated Feb. 22nd, which is Friday. There's been two Saturdays since then (Feb. 23 and March 1). [/*]

Desmom/Curiouser:

I just assumed it was Sat. the 16th of Feb. (the week NF went missing), and the following Sat. the 23rd of Feb.

The article reads we will have ANOTHER organized effort to canvass the areas...............

It will be divided into sections just like LAST SATURDAY

AGAIN we will advise everyone to .........

And you are correct..Michelle wrote the Good Luck comment and put Christine's name on it. Perhaps Michelle is a friend or relative.

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
I wish you people would stop moving around ... I'm getting confused! :tongue:

Man, right about now, I'm ready to post to Christine over on the blog ... and ask her some SERIOUS questions and tell her that she needs to GET the heck out there and FIND her husband, dead or alive!!!

:flamemad:

OK .. I'm fine now. It's just that I'm so upset with her calm demeanor and it's starting to get to me. UNLESS of course, as suggested, she does really believe or know, that he's left her ... then she NEEDS to tell the public.

I'm just getting REALLY frustrated! [/*]

There seemed to be several people on Etsy who claimed to know her personally. Have any of them spoken to her directly either in person or via e-mail in the last week or so, does anyone know? I haven't been on Etsy checking for info on it on the forums as I wasn't sure the admin over there would even let it be on the forums anymore. They're probably all just convoing each other outside the forums.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 01:36 PM

I just had a thought. What would be a woman's first instinct if her husband didn't return home? Most women have a jealous streak and/or insecurity issues. Wouldn't your first thought, as a woman, be 'who is he with?'.

I don't know what any of that means but I'm just saying. Christine was so sure he wouldn't leave them.

need2no

03-03-2008, 01:42 PM

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
I just had a thought. What would be a woman's first instinct if her husband didn't return home? Most women have a jealous streak and/or insecurity issues. Wouldn't your first thought, as a woman, be 'who is he with?'.

I don't know what any of that means but I'm just saying. Christine was so sure he wouldn't leave them. [/*]

Maybe not my first thought, but near the top LOL!

Anyway, she's had almost 3 weeks now to come to grips with this and think and rethink it I'm sure a million times. So I wonder if she's still so sure he wouldn't just leave. All of her statements she's making these days are pretty noncommital. More just keep praying, no new news, song lyrics about holding on, but nothing about her feeling on where he went anymore. MOO

n/t

03-03-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
I just had a thought. What would be a woman's first instinct if her husband didn't return home? Most women have a jealous streak and/or insecurity issues. Wouldn't your first thought, as a woman, be 'who is he with?'.

I don't know what any of that means but I'm just saying. Christine was so sure he wouldn't leave them. [/*]

I think I'd worry he was in a car accident especially if he hadn't called from the time he left work.

Men who cheat will make up stories. Like working late, have to go out of town or whatever. They usually call the spouse to fabricate a story.

Sunday Moon

03-03-2008, 01:45 PM

Hi guys! My students are in Social Studies so I have a minute to catch up here.
I did email Greta Saturday night but haven't heard back. I don't know if I will. Everything is so puzzling to me.
:shrug:

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by Curiouser

Maybe not my first thought, but near the top LOL!

Anyway, she's had almost 3 weeks now to come to grips with this and think and rethink it I'm sure a million times. So I wonder if she's still so sure he wouldn't just leave. All of her statements she's making these days are pretty noncommital. More just keep praying, no new news, song lyrics about holding on, but nothing about her feeling on where he went anymore. MOO [/*]

Is she still posting on Etsy?

need2no

03-03-2008, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
I just had a thought. What would be a woman's first instinct if her husband didn't return home? Most women have a jealous streak and/or insecurity issues. Wouldn't your first thought, as a woman, be 'who is he with?'.

I don't know what any of that means but I'm just saying. Christine was so sure he wouldn't leave them. [/*]

And if you thought your hubby took off to be with another woman and you had 2 small children at home and one on the way, limited income, and debts to pay....wouldn't your 1st instinct be to track down the ******d and at least make him pay child support and his share of the debts, not to mention divorce him.

Hell hath no fury........

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 01:48 PM

dianaelaine

03-03-2008, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Curiouser

There seemed to be several people on Etsy who claimed to know her personally. Have any of them spoken to her directly either in person or via e-mail in the last week or so, does anyone know? I haven't been on Etsy checking for info on it on the forums as I wasn't sure the admin over there would even let it be on the forums anymore. They're probably all just convoing each other outside the forums. [/*]

This is the last post from a member trying to inquire about him:

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http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5497460

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huskiki

03-03-2008, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by need2no

And if you thought your hubby took off to be with another woman and you had 2 small children at home and one on the way, limited income, and debts to pay....wouldn't your 1st instinct be to track down the ******d and at least make him pay child support and his share of the debts, not to mention divorce him.

Hell hath no fury........ [/*]

Amen to that!

dianaelaine

03-03-2008, 01:54 PM

:eek:

My husband just called and told me he's been FIRED!!!

He's TWO years from retiring!

Sorry for the hijack ... but I'm MAD!

His supervisors have been trying to get him fired for a LONG time, and they finally did it. :flamemad:

need2no

03-03-2008, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by n/t

I think I'd worry he was in a car accident especially if he hadn't called from the time he left work.

Men who cheat will make up stories. Like working late, have to go out of town or whatever. They usually call the spouse to fabricate a story. [/*]

My first thought would be the car broke down, followed by an auto accident for the first few hours. But after reporting to the police who would no doubt check out his route from work to the store and home, and hospitals...then my mind would go in other directions, especially after a week or so of no word and his car being found abandoned.

I still would like to know if NF told CF his cell phone battery was dead and she wouldn't be able to reach him after he left work Wednesday. He made of point of telling his co-workers, which I find odd.

Men who cheat do make up stories to cover their time away from the family...but men who plan to walk away don't have to worry about making up stories.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 01:55 PM

need2no

03-03-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

True, n/t. The way Christine talks, he's always accounted for. LOL [/*]

And it's always possible that is true, and he is still accounted for...if you know what I mean.

dianaelaine

03-03-2008, 02:05 PM

Sorry I came in with personal stuff ...

Didn't mean to bring that here.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 02:06 PM

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I was perusing the links thread and saw the link for a youtube video. I had never seen it and thought I'd look at it but it's been "removed by the user". Has anybody seen that video, and if so, what was it and why would they have removed it? [/*]

The only one I ever saw was a rundown of pictures of Nicholas like the missing poster and a voice in the background I believe saying when he went missing, etc., just basic stuff that would have been on the posters.

Why on earth would you remove it though. I can only come up with 2 reasons: he's been located, or they want to update the video in some way. Maybe they think it would get more views if it was brought to the top somehow by being relisted. I don't really know how this works.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
:eek:

My husband just called and told me he's been FIRED!!!

He's TWO years from retiring!

Sorry for the hijack ... but I'm MAD!

His supervisors have been trying to get him fired for a LONG time, and they finally did it. :flamemad: [/*]

That's awful! I'm sorry Diana :(

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

It has a new link, I'll see if I can find it.

Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIudFJWUvNI [/*]

I just put it on the sticky - thanks huskiki

seattlematt

03-03-2008, 02:11 PM

Good Morning All!

While I was out snapping pictures around the Queen Anne area (I'll post them tonight when I get home). I wanted to bring a clarification to light regarding the sugar/costco.

No more than 1 block from the front door of where NF works is Safeway. I had thought it was a few blocks away... but it's pratically on the opposite corner (367 feet to be precise)

Google Map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=10816094200590206811,47.623300,-122.359350%3*13175491140092784524,47.623290,-122.357799&saddr=W+Republican+St+%4047.623300,+-122.359350&daddr=47.623286,-122.357858&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=18&sll=47.623185,-122.357907&sspn=0.002748,0.005021&ie=UTF8&ll=47.623036,-122.357633&spn=0.005496,0.010042&t=h&z=17)

"A" is the publisis front door... "*" is safeway

I hate to keep coming back to that.. but it's a MAJOR flaw in the story that has been told.

Why would you need to go way out of the way to Costco, when you can just take a quick walk down the street.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 02:11 PM

Last night I asked if anyone knew where the picture of the red car was taken. Was it taken where his car was found? It looks like some apartments in the background. Does anyone know?

need2no

03-03-2008, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I just put it on the sticky - thanks huskiki [/*]

LOL we posted it on the links thread at the exact same time. I deleted mine. :)

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by seattlematt
Good Morning All!

While I was out snapping pictures around the Queen Anne area (I'll post them tonight when I get home). I wanted to bring a clarification to light regarding the sugar/costco.

No more than 1 block from the front door of where NF works is Safeway. I had thought it was a few blocks away... but it's pratically on the opposite corner (367 feet to be precise)

Google Map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=10816094200590206811,47.623300,-122.359350%3*13175491140092784524,47.623290,-122.357799&saddr=W+Republican+St+%4047.623300,+-122.359350&daddr=47.623286,-122.357858&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=18&sll=47.623185,-122.357907&sspn=0.002748,0.005021&ie=UTF8&ll=47.623036,-122.357633&spn=0.005496,0.010042&t=h&z=17)

"A" is the publisis front door... "*" is safeway

I hate to keep coming back to that.. but it's a MAJOR flaw in the story that has been told.

Why would you need to go way out of the way to Costco, when you can just take a quick walk down the street. [/*]

And maybe he did just that and that is where he was accosted or carjacked....is that area of town a safe place to walk in? BTW Thanks for the information :)

dianaelaine

03-03-2008, 02:13 PM

The thread on Etsy is starting to get interesting ... if any of you would like to post, go ahead ... perhaps somebody who knows her or is talking to her, is responding to the post.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5497460&page=1

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by need2no

LOL we posted it on the links thread at the exact same time. I deleted mine. :) [/*]

LOL we're quick, huh?

seattlematt

03-03-2008, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

....is that area of town a safe place to walk in? BTW Thanks for the information :) [/*]

Yeah... it's a really nice neighborhood... I shop there every week... very quiet and non-sketchy

huskiki

03-03-2008, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I just put it on the sticky - thanks huskiki [/*]

You're welcome. I knew because I asked the same question last week.

dianaelaine

03-03-2008, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

That's awful! I'm sorry Diana :( [/*]

Thanks Kim,

He's been with this company for a LONG time, over 30 years.

He's coming home now with subs from Subway ... but he has to have his toolbox and all property off the premises by Wednesday. :(

He was SO looking forward to retiring and telling them off on his last day. He did have words with them, but had to be careful ... so he wouldn't get in trouble.

UGH!

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
The thread on Etsy is starting to get interesting ... if any of you would like to post, go ahead ... perhaps somebody who knows her or is talking to her, is responding to the post.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5497460&page=1 [/*]

Ummmmm I think you tried to go down this road before, didn't you and they acted like you had committed a crime. See the natives are getting restless wanting SOME feedback. But still any question is met with "lets not do this".

(sooooooo sorry about your hubby - if you want to talk, you have my email address)

soyesterday

03-03-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by desmom

I think we have to seriously consider he left.

Because he worked in advertising, I would email NF's pic to every ad agency I could find on the internet in the tri-state area and look at agencies in Canada.

I would also look at other types of jobs that would work with his qualifications and email those employers.

I would be on the phone asking questions of everyone that NF may have been in contact with in the weeks leading up to his disappearance. What was his demeanor? Did he seem distracted? Upset? Depressed? Any unusual phone calls?

I also would email his flyer to everyone in my address book and beg them to forward to everyone in their address book.

And I would flood every media outlet in the tri-state area with his flyer. [/*]

Maybe WE as in "all of us on this board" should start doing that stuff!
Do we have the right to?
Are we allowed to do these kinda things or is his family the only ones that can?
I'm getting so frustrated w/ this case not moving forward.
I haven't written in a couple days, but i am a "little" bit OBSESSED w/ this story. I check in on it several times a day and lots of time stay and read for a long time.
There HAS to be something else that WE can do. :(

huskiki

03-03-2008, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by seattlematt
Good Morning All!

While I was out snapping pictures around the Queen Anne area (I'll post them tonight when I get home). I wanted to bring a clarification to light regarding the sugar/costco.

No more than 1 block from the front door of where NF works is Safeway. I had thought it was a few blocks away... but it's pratically on the opposite corner (367 feet to be precise)

Google Map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=10816094200590206811,47.623300,-122.359350%3*13175491140092784524,47.623290,-122.357799&saddr=W+Republican+St+%4047.623300,+-122.359350&daddr=47.623286,-122.357858&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=18&sll=47.623185,-122.357907&sspn=0.002748,0.005021&ie=UTF8&ll=47.623036,-122.357633&spn=0.005496,0.010042&t=h&z=17)

"A" is the publisis front door... "*" is safeway

I hate to keep coming back to that.. but it's a MAJOR flaw in the story that has been told.

Why would you need to go way out of the way to Costco, when you can just take a quick walk down the street. [/*]

Can't wait to see the pics!

Yeah, we couldn't understand the need for THAT much sugar. Maybe they bake a lot? I'm reaching here.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by seattlematt

Yeah... it's a really nice neighborhood... I shop there every week... very quiet and non-sketchy [/*]

wow - the water muddies more than it is

need2no

03-03-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by seattlematt
Good Morning All!

While I was out snapping pictures around the Queen Anne area (I'll post them tonight when I get home). I wanted to bring a clarification to light regarding the sugar/costco.

No more than 1 block from the front door of where NF works is Safeway. I had thought it was a few blocks away... but it's pratically on the opposite corner (367 feet to be precise)

Google Map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=10816094200590206811,47.623300,-122.359350%3*13175491140092784524,47.623290,-122.357799&saddr=W+Republican+St+%4047.623300,+-122.359350&daddr=47.623286,-122.357858&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=18&sll=47.623185,-122.357907&sspn=0.002748,0.005021&ie=UTF8&ll=47.623036,-122.357633&spn=0.005496,0.010042&t=h&z=17)

"A" is the publisis front door... "*" is safeway

I hate to keep coming back to that.. but it's a MAJOR flaw in the story that has been told.

Why would you need to go way out of the way to Costco, when you can just take a quick walk down the street. [/*]

And the weather was nice that day according to the info someone here looked up and posted.

Thanks for the information...that is very strange. If he had lots of items to purchase he may have found it cheaper to go to Costco, but since it was only sugar he needed, well that is very odd indeed. I also found it odd IIRC at one point CF said she called NF about needing the sugar, in another interview CF said NF called her about his plan to stop for sugar...which is it?

Looking forward to viewing your pics tonight, and thank you for doing this and sharing with us!

mc528

03-03-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I agree that there is a lot that can be done but we're not finding Nicholas' face anywhere new. There is no doubt that people have been alerted to the fact that Nicholas is missing. The problem is that it has all stopped, or so it seems.

You mention contacting the media, I can't help but wonder if they have a bad taste in their mouth over this story. I can understand why national media would back off but why have the local media stopped covering this story? If Nicholas' case is that of a missing person where foul play is involved then they should be keeping the community informed. [/*]

While agree that at the beginning it seemed like a lot was being done - a great deal of which was actually started by the Etsy community - I think there is/was really a lot more that could have been done, and can still be done now.

As to the media coverage, even without evidence of a foul play scenario, the fact that he is still missing, the fact that he is a beloved husband, father, brother, son, friend should still be a human interest story if nothing else. I'm sure at least one of the local t.v. or radio stations, or local papers would continue to cover it if they were asked to.

need2no

03-03-2008, 02:21 PM

bitsy555

03-03-2008, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

And maybe he did just that and that is where he was accosted or carjacked....is that area of town a safe place to walk in? BTW Thanks for the information :) [/*]

I wonder if there were cameras filming the parking area? And if so if they have viewed those.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by mc528

While agree that at the beginning it seemed like a lot was being done - a great deal of which was actually started by the Etsy community - I think there is/was really a lot more that could have been done, and can still be done now.

As to the media coverage, even without evidence of a foul play scenario, the fact that he is still missing, the fact that he is a beloved husband, father, brother, son, friend should still be a human interest story if nothing else. I'm sure at least one of the local t.v. or radio stations, or local papers would continue to cover it if they were asked to. [/*]

The Etsy community played a big part and I'm afraid that it all turned sour on them. I am in agreement with you, there is so much more that can be done but who should be responsible for that?

We are doing our part here to keep Nicholas' stroy alive. Those who know the family are updating their personal blogs. It's up to Christine, her family and Nicholas' family to get his face on the missing person sites.

As for the media, I don't get them at all. There's a story here, one way or another. This man is missing and until it's determined that he has left on his own, his story should be on the local news.

need2no

03-03-2008, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by bitsy555

I wonder if there were cameras filming the parking area? And if so if they have viewed those. [/*]

I seem to recall reading there were no cameras there.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Here is another link to a story on Eco Terrorism in the Seattle area.

I again wish to give my thoughts that something of this magnitude would make the some of its members go missing from the community should there be a need.

It is interesting that there are two missing men in the Seattle area.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4377694&page=1 [/*]

When you say 2 men missing in the Seattle area, are you referring to Nicholas and Mr. Fale?

dianaelaine

03-03-2008, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Ummmmm I think you tried to go down this road before, didn't you and they acted like you had committed a crime. See the natives are getting restless wanting SOME feedback. But still any question is met with "lets not do this".

(sooooooo sorry about your hubby - if you want to talk, you have my email address) [/*]

I just e-mailed you, check your mail.

bitsy555

03-03-2008, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I see somebody just linked this thread (or the other one) on the Etsy thread. Bet it's not long before that thread is shut down. [/*]

I hope that doesn't cause trouble over here.

dianaelaine

03-03-2008, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I see somebody just linked this thread (or the other one) on the Etsy thread. Bet it's not long before that thread is shut down. [/*]

Beth, yeah ... I just saw that!

Hmmm??? Inside informant?

soyesterday

03-03-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by seattlematt
Good Morning All!

While I was out snapping pictures around the Queen Anne area (I'll post them tonight when I get home). I wanted to bring a clarification to light regarding the sugar/costco.

No more than 1 block from the front door of where NF works is Safeway. I had thought it was a few blocks away... but it's pratically on the opposite corner (367 feet to be precise)

Google Map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=10816094200590206811,47.623300,-122.359350%3*13175491140092784524,47.623290,-122.357799&saddr=W+Republican+St+%4047.623300,+-122.359350&daddr=47.623286,-122.357858&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=18&sll=47.623185,-122.357907&sspn=0.002748,0.005021&ie=UTF8&ll=47.623036,-122.357633&spn=0.005496,0.010042&t=h&z=17)

"A" is the publisis front door... "*" is safeway

I hate to keep coming back to that.. but it's a MAJOR flaw in the story that has been told.

Why would you need to go way out of the way to Costco, when you can just take a quick walk down the street. [/*]

I know at the beginning there was a question if he had SAID he was going to Cotsco or Safeway....
did we find out for sure that he was SUPPOSED to be going to Cotsco?
I realize that he might not have....and might have decided to go to Safeway instead. I was just wondering which one Christine was still saying.

bitsy555

03-03-2008, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Beth

I'm at work and don't want to keep going back and forth on different threads, but did you happen to notice whether or not it was a new etsy member or an established etsy person that posted that link? Or is there not a way to even tell over there?

Just curious. [/*]

No it isn't a new person. It shows they joined in 2005. But I didn't check to see how often they have been posting on those threads.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I'm sure a great deal of them have been reading over here all along, whether they admit to it or not. They may be able to use their thought control mentality over there, but i can't see it flying over here. If they don't like ideas being thrown around, then perhaps they shouldn't be reading here. [/*]

I am also seeing some things we suggested over here being brought up over there, like Christine hiring her own PI.

Musterion

03-03-2008, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

OK .. I'm fine now. It's just that I'm so upset with her calm demeanor and it's starting to get to me. UNLESS of course, as suggested, she does really believe or know, that he's left her ... then she NEEDS to tell the public.

I'm just getting REALLY frustrated! [/*]

Her seemingly angry demeanor in the beginning of Nicholas' disappearance was called into question.

Now she appears calmer and that is called into question.

Christine's affect, based on the traumatic circumstances she is suffering from, seem to be on target for those circumstances. IMO.

There are five standardized stages of grief:
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Sometimes we vacillate between them. Sometimes we get stuck in one. Sometimes we experience all of them at one time. Sometimes in the Depression stage we become very calm.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by bitsy555

I hope that doesn't cause trouble over here. [/*]

The moderator of this forum, Coldwater, will not allow any trouble.

soyesterday

03-03-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Yes, that is correct.

I feel that only a life changing serious situation would keep these men from going home to their loving families, leave their jobs and the lives they have worked so hard to build.

Nicholas did not leave because he didn't love his family, his job and the life he had worked so hard to build......something just had to of occurred to take him away.

Yes, I think he did leave but had to.......why he did is why we are all here.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4377694&page=1 [/*]

Yes and if he "had to" leave, then possibly it is because some of the ideas that have come up with here.
He knew something he shouldn't have maybe.
He had some kind of a secret.
You did state earlier that you think it's much deeper and darker than we realize. Or something like that. :(

truecrimejunkie

03-03-2008, 02:40 PM

not trying to make light of a serious situation . . .

but - should we start donating large amounts of money into dianaelaine's paypal account?

WWED? What would etsy do?

bitsy555

03-03-2008, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

The moderator of this forum, Coldwater, will not allow any trouble. [/*]

Oh I know Rainy....I would just hate for them to come over and try to start something. I know you don't mess with Coldwater :)

Musterion

03-03-2008, 02:42 PM

dianaelaine

03-03-2008, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Her seemingly angry demeanor in the beginning of Nicholas' disappearance was called into question.

Now she appears calmer and that is called into question.

Christine's affect, based on the traumatic circumstances she is suffering from, seem to be on target for those circumstances. IMO.

There are five standardized stages of grief:
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Sometimes we vacillate between them. Sometimes we get stuck in one. Sometimes we experience all of them at one time. Sometimes in the Depression stage we become very calm. [/*]

OK ... I know I'm responding as to myself, but it's only been TWO weeks!

This is not enough time to give up, or stop searching and doing whatever you can do. It's still fairly early ... at least in my head.

IF she knows where he is, or that he left her, for another woman or whatever, then yes .. ok .. she might start going through these stages.

But if I hadn't heard anything, I'd still be doing everything and anything to find him.

omsk99

03-03-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday

Yes and if he "had to" leave, then possibly it is because some of the ideas that have come up with here.
He knew something he shouldn't have maybe.
He had some kind of a secret.
You did state earlier that you think it's much deeper and darker than we realize. Or something like that. :( [/*]

And another possibility we discussed before is that he may have owed a lot of money and didn't want his family in trouble because of that (although they might still be in danger if that's the case).

Nellie

03-03-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Scroll down to Canvass This Saturday. It states they will meet in the same place as last Saturday. At the end of this write up it says 2 comments...click on that and you will see one is the Good Luck comment from Christine. [/*]

Good luck from Christine? That sounds weird. I'd be saying "thank you"...not "good luck". Maybe it's just me.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by bitsy555

Oh I know Rainy....I would just hate for them to come over and try to start something. I know you don't mess with Coldwater :) [/*]

:beer:

bitsy555

03-03-2008, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Beth

Thank you. Hmmm, by their standards then, she should know better than to do something like that. :no: [/*]

Your welcome....and I very much agree!

Nellie

03-03-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Based on what she has said she believes he is dead. Beliefs can be our strongest motivator to behaviour. Her behaviour seems consistent with that belief. [/*]

Musterion, I've never seen her say she believes he is dead.
Do you have a link for that?
I know she has indicated that she suspects "foul play"...she said it was "Wife intuation", on Greta, I believe. I don't always think "foul play" equals dead.

I will agree, though, that she's acted like he isn't coming home from the beginning....instantly worrying about the money. Most people seem to start out with more hope that their loved one is coming home when one goes missing. She didn't seem to start out with any hope of him coming home at all......which is why I think she already knows he isn't.

dianaelaine

03-03-2008, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie
not trying to make light of a serious situation . . .

but - should we start donating large amounts of money into dianaelaine's paypal account?

WWED? What would etsy do? [/*]

What??? :eek:

Don't you DARE!! :no:

Instead, let's have a drink to celebrate that he doesn't have to put up with their crap anymore.

:beer:

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Yes, that is correct.

I feel that only a life changing serious situation would keep these men from going home to their loving families, leave their jobs and the lives they have worked so hard to build.

Nicholas did not leave because he didn't love his family, his job and the life he had worked so hard to build......something just had to of occurred to take him away.

Yes, I think he did leave but had to.......why he did is why we are all here.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4377694&page=1 [/*]

ummm ok! So are you saying that both of these men had ties to elf and that they left their families to start these fires?

BTW I read on the other board that ELF is a Seattle based group and that is completely untrue.

truecrimejunkie

03-03-2008, 02:52 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dianaelaine

What???
Don't you DARE!!

Instead, let's have a drink to celebrate that he doesn't have to put up with their crap anymore.

just teasing! :)

Nellie

03-03-2008, 02:52 PM

dianaelaine

03-03-2008, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dianaelaine

What???
Don't you DARE!!

Instead, let's have a drink to celebrate that he doesn't have to put up with their crap anymore.

just teasing! :) [/*]

I knew you were ;)

huskiki

03-03-2008, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Based on what she has said she believes he is dead. Beliefs can be our strongest motivator to behaviour. Her behaviour seems consistent with that belief. [/*]

I don't think she believes that he is dead. She said she felt that he met with foul play. Foul play does not equal death in all cases. She's clearly depressed and knows he's not coming home. He probably took all their paypal money and ran. IMO JMO

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I noticed this new thread or forum is not linked on the main page at IN SESSION people who want to join in the discussion get a closed sign when they follow the link.

I am referring to this page....
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=10

Is there a reason for this? How will the others find this new link? [/*]

It is on the top of the page for me and not closed.. you click on Nicholas's name and can see all the threads in his thread.

Is that not true for everyone?

Pam

03-03-2008, 02:54 PM

I have been following this case ever since CF made the first post on the Etsy forums. Not sure where I found the link to this site, but I've been reading everything for the past week, and only managed to get registered on Saturday, and just found out that I can actually post now, lol.

I really don't have anything new to add, seems like a lot of my thoughts are shared by many here, that this whole thing is just really odd.

Just wanted to introduce myself and say Hi :)

bitsy555

03-03-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

It is on the top of the page for me and not closed.. you click on Nicholas's name and can see all the threads in his thread.

Is that not true for everyone? [/*]

Yes, that is working for me now.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Here is another link to a story on Eco Terrorism in the Seattle area.

I again wish to give my thoughts that something of this magnitude would make some of its members go missing from the community should there be a need.

It is interesting that there are two missing men in the Seattle area.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/WireStory?id=4377694&page=1 [/*]

I'm not really ready to go down the road of him being involved with the Eco Terrorism group. Just nothing to point me in that direction.

bitsy555

03-03-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I don't think she believes that he is dead. She said she felt that he met with foul play. Foul play does not equal death in all cases. She's clearly depressed and knows he's not coming home. He probably took all their paypal money and ran. IMO JMO [/*]

I agree. I think she knows he is not coming home. Either from foul play or she might know something we don't. I'm undecided on that.

bitsy555

03-03-2008, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Pam
I have been following this case ever since CF made the first post on the Etsy forums. Not sure where I found the link to this site, but I've been reading everything for the past week, and only managed to get registered on Saturday, and just found out that I can actually post now, lol.

I really don't have anything new to add, seems like a lot of my thoughts are shared by many here, that this whole thing is just really odd.

Just wanted to introduce myself and say Hi :) [/*]

Hi Pam! Welcome!

bitsy555

03-03-2008, 03:01 PM

Lunch is over...I must go back to work. :rolleyes: I'll be lurking and reading when I can.

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 03:05 PM

Nellie

03-03-2008, 03:05 PM

Everything is always all about Christine, imo.
He wouldn't leave ME!
He loved ME!
He shielded ME from our debt.
Money is desperately needed, but it isn't for him.
And even the song she posted...is about HER! Telling HER to hold on.

IMO, what bothers me a lot about this case, is that she has become the Victim instead of Nicholas.

Musterion

03-03-2008, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

OK ... I know I'm responding as to myself, but it's only been TWO weeks!

This is not enough time to give up, or stop searching and doing whatever you can do. It's still fairly early ... at least in my head.

IF she knows where he is, or that he left her, for another woman or whatever, then yes .. ok .. she might start going through these stages.

But if I hadn't heard anything, I'd still be doing everything and anything to find him. [/*]

She believes, based on what she's said, that he met with foul play. It sounds like she believes he is dead.

The Stages of Grief include everything from losing someone to death to losing a cherished item. The Stages reportedly begin immediately upon the event.

The Stages, also, have other factors to consider wrapped around the most immediate trauma. Within the last year, according to what has been reported, Christine has moved. Became pregnant. Lost a pregnancy. Started one or two businesses. Became pregnant again. Now the loss of her husband. And the loss of financial stability. These are all top major life stressors.

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I'm not really ready to go down the road of him being involved with the Eco Terrorism group. Just nothing to point me in that direction. [/*]

yeah I agree!

Plus.. I haven't heard anywhere that it is even a pattern for the members to go missing before one of their "acts".

Going missing and having the police search for you.. is not the best way to keep a low profile.

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday

Maybe WE as in "all of us on this board" should start doing that stuff!
Do we have the right to?
Are we allowed to do these kinda things or is his family the only ones that can?
I'm getting so frustrated w/ this case not moving forward.
I haven't written in a couple days, but i am a "little" bit OBSESSED w/ this story. I check in on it several times a day and lots of time stay and read for a long time.
There HAS to be something else that WE can do. :( [/*]

I posted about craigslist yesterday -- wondering why something like "HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MAN? $15,000 REWARD!" Isn't posted on every craigslist board around the country. I saw one posting dated Feb 26 on the Seattle board only.

I thought about doing it myself but had a deadline writing assignment that consumed my day yesterday. I also got to thinking, why isn't someone (Christine, her sister, his sisters, Publicis, their friends) doing it already? Why would a stranger on a message board need to do it? I keep coming back to the idea that someone knows he is ok, they're just not saying, otherwise they would be making a lot more effort to find him. Although, hmm, if I put my email address as the contact instead of KCPD, then if someone gets in touch with me, could I get a share of the reward?! Hey, hmm, there's a thought. J/K!

decor

03-03-2008, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Curiouser

Exactly. So I think the part of what you said that is important is, "Unless I knew something I was keeping to myself...." If she knows he's taken off, why tromp through the woods and look in lakes? It would be a waste of time.

If she does know something, why not come out and say it. The longer knowledge like that goes unstated, the more embarrassing it will be when it does finally come out. Just tell everyone and be done with it and go on from there. I even doubt if it would hurt her donations. Might even give them new impetus as people would now think how wronged she was by her husband. [/*]

I was thinking, if someone was going to take of because of trouble they were in and you knew they would take you with them, but the person decided it was safer to go without you and the kids how furious would you be when you realized they had gone without you?

What if you were expecting your husband to come home and he didn't and you panicked and called the police but realized the next day after looking at your money situation that you know exactly where he went but it was too late as you already got the ball rolling. You might not know his exact location but you know he went deep enough into hiding that he wasn't going to be found.

Then you wouldn't go looking for him because you knew there was nothing to look for. so you stay home.
You already told the police and have to follow thru and keep the momentum up.
You post on a site that is known for helping others so you can get some financial backing.

You refuse any help whatsoever from a psychic because this is the one person that may be able to locate the missing person which you are reasonably sure will not be found any other way and you really don't want him found.

I know what it is about Christine that doesn't seem right. She acts upset. I'll bet she has cried a thousand tears but I bet it is because she didn't expect to be left behind not because she thinks he truly disappeared.

If I am not mistaken it was all the work of Etsians that got her on all the tv shows to be interviewed except for the original local one.

Maranatha

03-03-2008, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday

I know at the beginning there was a question if he had SAID he was going to Cotsco or Safeway....
did we find out for sure that he was SUPPOSED to be going to Cotsco?
I realize that he might not have....and might have decided to go to Safeway instead. I was just wondering which one Christine was still saying. [/*]

This is a bit clarifying, only a little.

Search continues for Nicholas Francisco

Monday, February 25, 2008

SeaTac

Family continues search for man who disappeared

February 23 - The family, friends and colleagues of Nicholas Francisco organized a search party in an attempt to find the missing man.

Francisco, 28, from SeaTac, has been missing since Feb. 13 at 6 p.m. after leaving work at Publicis in Seattle's Lower Queen Anne neighborhood.

The search party was expected to target convenience stores and gas stations from Burien to Federal Way, posting informational fliers on Nicholas' case.

Francisco told colleagues on Feb. 13 that he was heading to the Queen Anne Safeway AND THEN to the Southcenter Costco before heading home to his family that evening.

But Francisco, a father of two with another child on the way, never arrived home.

His 1992 red Toyota Paseo hatchback was recovered Feb. 18 from a condominium complex in Federal Way.

Anyone with any information regarding Nicholas Francisco's whereabouts is asked to call 9-1-1.

http://www.highlinetimes.com/articles/2008/02/25/news/police_blotter/cops.txt

decor

03-03-2008, 03:14 PM

this would also explain why she gets upset when people think he left "her".
He didn't leave "her" he left the problems he had created and to C this has nothing to do with "her"

decor

03-03-2008, 03:17 PM

and this would also explain why she claims that she thinks he is dead. because this is what she wants people to believe. there is not a single thing to make people think this but she has put it out there.

Pam

03-03-2008, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by decor

I was thinking, if someone was going to take of because of trouble they were in and you knew they would take you with them, but the person decided it was safer to go without you and the kids how furious would you be when you realized they had gone without you?

What if you were expecting your husband to come home and he didn't and you panicked and called the police but realized the next day after looking at your money situation that you know exactly where he went but it was too late as you already got the ball rolling. You might not know his exact location but you know he went deep enough into hiding that he wasn't going to be found.

Then you wouldn't go looking for him because you knew there was nothing to look for. so you stay home.
You already told the police and have to follow thru and keep the momentum up.
You post on a site that is known for helping others so you can get some financial backing.

You refuse any help whatsoever from a psychic because this is the one person that may be able to locate the missing person which you are reasonably sure will not be found any other way and you really don't want him found.

I know what it is about Christine that doesn't seem right. She acts upset. I'll bet she has cried a thousand tears but I bet it is because she didn't expect to be left behind not because she thinks he truly disappeared.

If I am not mistaken it was all the work of Etsians that got her on all the tv shows to be interviewed except for the original local one. [/*]

That does make a lot of sense! I love how all of your mind's work!!

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 03:22 PM

Someone asked earlier about car licensing in WA state.

When you buy a used car.. you keep the plates that were with the car... unless they are personalized and the owner wants to keep them... then of course you will need new ones. Otherwise.. The title and plates are transferred to the new owner.

You can get new ones if you want to pay for them tho.

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by Maranantha

This is a bit clarifying, only a little.

Search continues for Nicholas Francisco

Monday, February 25, 2008

SeaTac

Family continues search for man who disappeared

February 23 - The family, friends and colleagues of Nicholas Francisco organized a search party in an attempt to find the missing man.

Francisco, 28, from SeaTac, has been missing since Feb. 13 at 6 p.m. after leaving work at Publicis in Seattle's Lower Queen Anne neighborhood.

The search party was expected to target convenience stores and gas stations from Burien to Federal Way, posting informational fliers on Nicholas' case.

Francisco told colleagues on Feb. 13 that he was heading to the Queen Anne Safeway AND THEN to the Southcenter Costco before heading home to his family that evening.

But Francisco, a father of two with another child on the way, never arrived home.

His 1992 red Toyota Paseo hatchback was recovered Feb. 18 from a condominium complex in Federal Way.

Anyone with any information regarding Nicholas Francisco's whereabouts is asked to call 9-1-1.

http://www.highlinetimes.com/articles/2008/02/25/news/police_blotter/cops.txt [/*]

Thanks for sharing that -- I hadn't seen the Safeway AND Costco detail before. Wonder why he would be going to both. Well if he went to Safeway and if he used his member card, seems like that could be traced. This also shows how inconsistent the media (or the people giving the information) can be.

murdershewrote

03-03-2008, 03:23 PM

why on earth would he tell his colleagues (assuming coworkers) that he was going to the Safeway, then Costco, then home...Nobody I know tells their coworkers where they are headed after work (especially to do ordinary errands)...like, who would care???

This hit me as highly suspicious, like he was leaving a trail of his whereabouts for some reason.

Musterion

03-03-2008, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Musterion, I've never seen her say she believes he is dead.
Do you have a link for that?
I know she has indicated that she suspects "foul play"...she said it was "Wife intuation", on Greta, I believe. I don't always think "foul play" equals dead.

I will agree, though, that she's acted like he isn't coming home from the beginning....instantly worrying about the money. Most people seem to start out with more hope that their loved one is coming home when one goes missing. She didn't seem to start out with any hope of him coming home at all......which is why I think she already knows he isn't. [/*]

No link. Based on what she has said she believes he is dead. Should have added:IMO.

Foul play has the connotations of implying murder. According to Webster's Dictionary.

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by decor

I was thinking, if someone was going to take of because of trouble they were in and you knew they would take you with them, but the person decided it was safer to go without you and the kids how furious would you be when you realized they had gone without you?

What if you were expecting your husband to come home and he didn't and you panicked and called the police but realized the next day after looking at your money situation that you know exactly where he went but it was too late as you already got the ball rolling. You might not know his exact location but you know he went deep enough into hiding that he wasn't going to be found.

Then you wouldn't go looking for him because you knew there was nothing to look for. so you stay home.
You already told the police and have to follow thru and keep the momentum up.
You post on a site that is known for helping others so you can get some financial backing.

You refuse any help whatsoever from a psychic because this is the one person that may be able to locate the missing person which you are reasonably sure will not be found any other way and you really don't want him found.

I know what it is about Christine that doesn't seem right. She acts upset. I'll bet she has cried a thousand tears but I bet it is because she didn't expect to be left behind not because she thinks he truly disappeared.

If I am not mistaken it was all the work of Etsians that got her on all the tv shows to be interviewed except for the original local one. [/*]

This seems very plausible to me. But it certainly makes Christine come across as very self-serving and inconsiderate to all of those people that were out looking for Nicholas.

I wondered when she refused the psychic's help too. I mean, what could it have hurt? Her comment about leaving it in God's hands or whatever didn't make sense to me. "God helps those who help themselves". IF she wanted him found.

Perhaps that is why she is not hiring a PI herself, as several of us here and on other boards have suggested in recent days.

Maranatha

03-03-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by murdershewrote
why on earth would he tell his colleagues (assuming coworkers) that he was going to the Safeway, then Costco, then home...Nobody I know tells their coworkers where they are headed after work (especially to do ordinary errands)...like, who would care???

This hit me as highly suspicious, like he was leaving a trail of his whereabouts for some reason. [/*]

I can see him mentioning going to Costco, only because even parking at Costco can be a major hassle, let alone going through the checkout line. I can't speak for the the Southcenter one, never been there. He may have been complaining to a friend at work about it only because it can be an hour or more even when you make a beeline for exactly what you want and you only have a few things.

Costco sells everything, maybe C needed some things for her business.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by murdershewrote
why on earth would he tell his colleagues (assuming coworkers) that he was going to the Safeway, then Costco, then home...Nobody I know tells their coworkers where they are headed after work (especially to do ordinary errands)...like, who would care???

This hit me as highly suspicious, like he was leaving a trail of his whereabouts for some reason. [/*]

Sometimes people mention in passing things like "I'm off to take my kid to lessons" or "I'm off to the bar". Rarely do I hear "I'm off to pick up some sugar".

Not only did he tell them where he was going, he told his wife that his phone was dead. Too neat for me.

decor

03-03-2008, 03:32 PM

"This seems very plausible to me. But it certainly makes Christine come across as very self-serving and inconsiderate to all of those people that were out looking for Nicholas."

we are all self serving to ourselves to some degree. those in trouble becoma a little more self serving to try and protect themselves. Then there are some that are completely self serving.

If you mix some or all of these ingredients then a person would be very self serving and/or protective of someone else.

omsk99

03-03-2008, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Maranantha

I can see him mentioning going to Costco, only because even parking at Costco can be a major hassle, let alone going through the checkout line. I can't speak for the the Southcenter one, never been there. He may have been complaining to a friend at work about it only because it can be an hour or more even when you make a beeline for exactly what you want and you only have a few things.

Costco sells everything, maybe C needed some things for her business. [/*]

Also, they have Costco card, so they probably always preferred to shop there. Just a thought.

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

No link. Based on what she has said she believes he is dead. Should have added:IMO.

Foul play has the connotations of implying murder. According to Webster's Dictionary. [/*]

I agree with what you said earlier about the stages of grief -- certainly many of her reactions could fit in that scenario if she really believes he's dead. They could also fit if she thinks (or knows) he's left her too.

But if she truly believes he is dead, do you have any thoughts on why she isn't doing everything she possibly can to get his body found? I mean, she will not be able to get him declared legally dead without a body, and I think someone else mentioned a 7-year waiting period. Maybe it is just too overwhelming for her to think about it. I do hope that she is getting some therapy to help her deal with all of this.

Personally I think he just left, but of course anything is possible.

decor

03-03-2008, 03:36 PM

is there a link or the title of the thread on Etsy that posted this site there. I can't find it.
thanks

huskiki

03-03-2008, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I agree with what you said earlier about the stages of grief -- certainly many of her reactions could fit in that scenario if she really believes he's dead. They could also fit if she thinks (or knows) he's left her too.

But if she truly believes he is dead, do you have any thoughts on why she isn't doing everything she possibly can to get his body found? I mean, she will not be able to get him declared legally dead without a body, and I think someone else mentioned a 7-year waiting period. Maybe it is just too overwhelming for her to think about it. I do hope that she is getting some therapy to help her deal with all of this.

Personally I think he just left, but of course anything is possible. [/*]

Anyone remember the story of John Darwin? He went out on his canoe and was never seen again. Then he resurfaced in Panama, his wife knew all about it because they were in it for the insurance money.

It can happen.

mc528

03-03-2008, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by decor
is there a link or the title of the thread on Etsy that posted this site there. I can't find it.
thanks [/*]

This is the latest one:
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5497460&page=1

HarlettOhara

03-03-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by mc528

I think that the media would be interested if there was someone calling them daily (or multiple times a day) asking to be given air time to make a plea for new leads. Especially since CF still believes it was foul play. Wouldn't the public be interested to know if there was some sort of foul play that left absolutely no trace. It would be a very scary thought to most people that something like that could happen in the middle of a busy after-work commute time. [/*]

It's very hard to get and keep media involved when it appears that LE is not. We received a case to work on where this young woman disappeared in June 07. Her boyfriend said she went out at 2am in her pj's to pick flowers and has not been seen since... They have not even interviewd him yet..
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=144208#post144208

Missing person's are not a top priority with all the other crime that is going on.. unless there is evidence of foul play.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

It's very hard to get and keep media involved when it appears that LE is not. We received a case to work on where this young woman disappeared in June 07. Her boyfriend said she went out at 2am in her pj's to pick flowers and has not been seen since... They have not even interviewd him yet..
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=144208#post144208

Missing person's are not a top priority with all the other crime that is going on.. unless there is evidence of foul play. [/*]

Who goes out at 2am to pick flowers?? I hope LE followed up with her boyfriend on that story.

You have to be persistant though. Keep calling and emailing the media.

dianaelaine

03-03-2008, 03:59 PM

ok, now I'm becoming paranoid.

My husband talked to me at 1:00, said he was going to Subway, and he'd call me when he got there.

It's almost 3:00 and hasn't called.

He works 20 minutes away, and would be going to the local subway, which is in town, about 10 minutes from where we live.

Thing is, he's not answering his cell phone.

I'm worried :(

HarlettOhara

03-03-2008, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Who goes out at 2am to pick flowers?? I hope LE followed up with her boyfriend on that story.

You have to be persistant though. Keep calling and emailing the media. [/*]

They went there on Dec 7 to interview him, he wasn't there and they have not been back to talk to him.

We send out emailing's to media daily on different cases. It takes this being done by a lot of people to get any type of reaction from them.

decor

03-03-2008, 04:00 PM

thanks mc, not sure why I couldn't find it. It has his name in the title so it couldn't have been more obvious!

desmom

03-03-2008, 04:07 PM

desmom

03-03-2008, 04:24 PM

If Nicholas left the car at the condo complex, he had to have another form of transportation.

LE said the dogs did not turn up anything at the complex. I know from following other investigations, weather and heavy foot traffic/vehicle traffic can cause problems for tracking.

Maybe the dogs did track around the parking lot or down the street and lost the trail. This could be because NF got into another vehicle (a friend's or taxi) or boarded a bus.

If he had a car stashed in the storage unit, he would need some way to get from the condos to the storage unit.

Is anyone familiar with the public transportation near the condo complex and/or the storage units?

TIA

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03-03-2008, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

True Christians, believers will NOT go to a psychic ever. It goes against their Christian principles. You have to understand how a person thinks before judging them. I think it is almost impossible to expect another person to react exactly the way we think we would react. [/*]

I consider myself to be a true Christian. I believe in psychics. I have minor abilities. I am not a fundamentalist which an entirely different kind of Christian but I am a true Christian. :)

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I am continuing my effort to explain why I think Nicholas might have had to leave and disappear. I believe he might have come across information relating to a group located in the Seattle area responsible for various acts of arson in an effort to make statements on the environment.

I have enclosed a link to a trial that is just beginning regarding one of the members of this group....... you will notice that this person does not look like the monster we call a terrorist.

http://supportbriana.org/ [/*]

That group is not located in Seattle as you keep stating.

Just because a woman is on trial in Tacoma for something she did in the name of ELF.. that does NOT make it a Seattle based group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front

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03-03-2008, 04:37 PM

and snowbird

who says I was judging her? I thru out some ideas. no where did I say this exactly how it happened.

and I am the one that posted yesterday that no one knows how they would react to a situation until they experience it for themselves.

as I said these were some ideas, not judgments.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I am continuing my effort to explain why I think Nicholas might have had to leave and disappear. I believe he might have come across information relating to a group located in the Seattle area responsible for various acts of arson in an effort to make statements on the environment.

I have enclosed a link to a trial that is just beginning regarding one of the members of this group....... you will notice that this person does not look like the monster we call a terrorist.

http://supportbriana.org/ [/*]

With all due respect, that theory seems about as plausible as being abducted by aliens. At the LEAST, it’s grasping at little teeny tiny, tiny weenie straws.

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Snowbird

True Christians, believers will NOT go to a psychic ever. It goes against their Christian principles. You have to understand how a person thinks before judging them. I think it is almost impossible to expect another person to react exactly the way we think we would react. [/*]

Thank you for saying that Snowbird.

That is very true. Many christians believe that it is possible but that they shouldn't. So, that would go against their teachings. I am not sure how Christine felt about this tho.

I still think it would be hard.. as a christian myself.. if someone was telling me.. go look here.. not to.

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
If the Eco Terrorist group is not based in the Seattle area, where is it based. Where do the majority of its members live? [/*]

I have looked and looked and I have found no DIRECT link to Seattle with that group.

You can read the wikipedia page that I referenced.. they have been linked all up and down the west coast.. mostly in California and Oregon.

Maranatha

03-03-2008, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
If the Eco Terrorist group is not based in the Seattle area, where is it based. Where do the majority of its members live? [/*]

The majority of the ecoterrorists that you are specifically referring to live in federal prisons.

This is the first trial for any of the 18 men and women indicted on charges of involvement in the militant Pacific Northwest underground that between 1996 and 2001 carried out more than a dozen acts of arson and sabotage against targets deemed a threat to the environment or animals. The attacks caused tens of millions of dollars in damage, and targets included a slaughterhouse, timber-company headquarters and a ski lodge at Vail, Colo.

Twelve other people have reached plea agreements, and, according to court documents, their sentences are expected to range from probation to 13 years. Four others have fled from federal authorities. Bill Rodgers — an alleged ringleader of the attacks — committed suicide after being taken into custody in Arizona in 2005.

http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=uwarson13m&date=20080213&query=earth+liberation+front

The site you linked to is to the last person to stand trial, and it goes to the jury today.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
So let's hear your theory why a wonderful loving father didn't come home the night of Feb 13th. Why this wonderful and loving man walked away from job and family. Why he left a life he has worked so hard to create.

Something really bad happened. [/*]

Are you talking to me? Awe, come on Beth E.. I thought we had been through what I thought already, which obviously isn’t what most of you guys think, which is ok too.

I’m just saying, that theory is pretty far out there.

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
So let's hear your theory why a wonderful loving father didn't come home the night of Feb 13th. Why this wonderful and loving man walked away from job and family. Why he left a life he has worked so hard to create.

Something really bad happened. [/*]

If we knew then we wouldn't be here wondering.

But.. there it could be one of several reasons why IMO

As I have said before.. one posters husband was missing for weeks.. he happen to have a brain tumor. It really could be anything.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 04:57 PM

truecrimejunkie

03-03-2008, 05:00 PM

huskiki

03-03-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie

if psychics were so accurate NO ONE would be missing. [/*]

Good point!

However, they have been known to help in some cases. If someone I knew was missing I would take any resource available. You just never know.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Maybe he had no choice - maybe someone kidnapped him. [/*]

Wow, Rainy. Another one where we agree. Try not to make this a habit will ya! Lol j/k

Rainy is right. So is Mystry. No one knows obviously but I think it would be a much more simple answer than Nick being mixed up with some crazy group like that.

MOO of course. ;)

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
RE: Where are the lerrorists located?

Looks like a new group has emerged to burn some houses..... so not all of them are in prison. This group is in and around Seattle. [/*]

The point that some of us is trying to make is that we don't see a connection between the arsons and Nicholas.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 05:04 PM

Even though Christine's religion does not believe in psychis (which I understand and respect), I wonder if one of their friends contacted one and the psychic had some answers. I wonder if they would follow up on it.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

The point that some of us is trying to make is that we don't see a connection between the arsons and Nicholas. [/*]

It does seem out there, along with the aliens.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Wow, Rainy. Another one where we agree. Try not to make this a habit will ya! Lol j/k

Rainy is right. So is Mystry. No one knows obviously but I think it would be a much more simple answer than Nick being mixed up with some crazy group like that.

MOO of course. ;) [/*]

People will start to talk - we must stop this :D

Maranatha

03-03-2008, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

It does seem out there, along with the aliens. [/*]

I'd be more inclined to go with the aliens than ELF ecoterrorists, but that's just my opinion.

decor

03-03-2008, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie

if psychics were so accurate NO ONE would be missing. [/*]

psychics are human.

there isn't a single human being that is correct about anything 100% of the time so why do we expect psychics to be?

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie

if psychics were so accurate NO ONE would be missing. [/*]

LOL that is very true truecrimejunkie!

I have actually been slammed pretty hard on the boards for even questioning Sylvia Brown's abilities.. so now I am careful.

I do believe that God gives us all an ability to know some things intuitively. If you have ever gotten a strong "gut reaction" to something or someone. That strong feeling telling you to get out of certain situations, etc. That is why I always listen to mine! =)

Beyond that.. I try to stay away from.. because I do believe it is possible but we really have no idea who or what is really talking to us. And.. I think that there are ALOT of people taking advantage of people's vulnerabilities and are just out to make a quick buck.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

This seems very plausible to me. But it certainly makes Christine come across as very self-serving and inconsiderate to all of those people that were out looking for Nicholas.

I wondered when she refused the psychic's help too. I mean, what could it have hurt? Her comment about leaving it in God's hands or whatever didn't make sense to me. "God helps those who help themselves". IF she wanted him found.

Perhaps that is why she is not hiring a PI herself, as several of us here and on other boards have suggested in recent days. [/*]

Ok, I'll defend Christine about the psychic issue. First of all, she didn't refuse psychic help because none offered her the help. People were suggesting that she may want to seek one. She is a religious person of the Christian faith, from what I've read. I am also from the Christian faith and there is warning in the Bible about seeking psychics. So, I would also NOT ever seek a psychic.

I don't find that suspicious....I find it based on her faith.

greeneyez78

03-03-2008, 05:26 PM

Here are the links where I found the information earlier, sorry it took so long....been busy with 3 kiddos.....

http://publicinformation.seattle.gov/cpi/smc.publicInformation.search.action.defendant.defe ndantNumber.action?defendantNumber=996041

http://publicinformation.seattle.gov/cpi/smc.publicInformation.search.action.defendant.defe ndantNumber.action?defendantNumber=996041

http://publicinformation.seattle.gov/cpi/smc.publicInformation.search.action.defendant.defe ndantNumber.action?defendantNumber=628125

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
OK, you all are slamming me hard on my theory about Nicholas knowing or somehow coming across information about possible Eco Terrorism in the Seattle area.

But please, remember that I said it when this case is resolved. I stand by my theory. [/*]

I don't forget that you said it would be something dark or sinister (can't remember exactly) when it all came out.

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by greeneyez78
Here are the links where I found the information earlier, sorry it took so long....been busy with 3 kiddos.....

http://publicinformation.seattle.gov/cpi/smc.publicInformation.search.action.defendant.defe ndantNumber.action?defendantNumber=996041

http://publicinformation.seattle.gov/cpi/smc.publicInformation.search.action.defendant.defe ndantNumber.action?defendantNumber=996041

http://publicinformation.seattle.gov/cpi/smc.publicInformation.search.action.defendant.defe ndantNumber.action?defendantNumber=628125 [/*]

One of those citations was issued in 1993 (the one to Jim Cammack actually). Nicholas would've only been 13 years old!!

decor

03-03-2008, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Ok, I'll defend Christine about the psychic issue. First of all, she didn't refuse psychic help because none offered her the help. People were suggesting that she may want to seek one. She is a religious person of the Christian faith, from what I've read. I am also from the Christian faith and there is warning in the Bible about seeking psychics. So, I would also NOT ever seek a psychic.

I don't find that suspicious....I find it based on her faith. [/*]

I think someone did offer. I remember someone posting that they had contacted a friend that had a close friend that was a psychic. that was when Christine refused.

The main problem of psychics vs. God is when people tend to believe more in the psychic than in God and this is usually the downfall.

I have had many friends that were true psychics. Some hated it some didn't mind. I found them to be correct a lot of the times and not correct some of the times.

If a person has a fear of them then they shouldn't seek them out.

n/t

03-03-2008, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by greeneyez78
Here are the links where I found the information earlier, sorry it took so long....been busy with 3 kiddos.....

http://publicinformation.seattle.gov/cpi/smc.publicInformation.search.action.defendant.defe ndantNumber.action?defendantNumber=996041

http://publicinformation.seattle.gov/cpi/smc.publicInformation.search.action.defendant.defe ndantNumber.action?defendantNumber=996041

http://publicinformation.seattle.gov/cpi/smc.publicInformation.search.action.defendant.defe ndantNumber.action?defendantNumber=628125 [/*]

The last one has Jim Cammack and the violation was in 1993. Weird that the name would appear with Nicholas.

What does OVERTIME mean as a violation? :confused:

n/t

03-03-2008, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

With all due respect, that theory seems about as plausible as being abducted by aliens. At the LEAST, it’s grasping at little teeny tiny, tiny weenie straws. [/*]

I agree. It's so way out there, imo.

desmom

03-03-2008, 05:45 PM

carterkatt

03-03-2008, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
ok, now I'm becoming paranoid.

My husband talked to me at 1:00, said he was going to Subway, and he'd call me when he got there.

It's almost 3:00 and hasn't called.

He works 20 minutes away, and would be going to the local subway, which is in town, about 10 minutes from where we live.

Thing is, he's not answering his cell phone.

I'm worried :( [/*]

Diana - I don't think I missed an update post - did you hear from him? All ok??
k

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by Curiouser

One of those citations was issued in 1993 (the one to Jim Cammack actually). Nicholas would've only been 13 years old!! [/*]

I only had a chance to look at the first link but it looks to me like they are just parking tickets. He does work down town Seattle.. so I don't think that is any big deal.

I could be wrong but that is what they look like to me. Most of them are because he didn't feed the meter. From what I have found he doesn't even have a traffic ticket other than those that you found.

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/

Here is a link to search all washington state courts.. shows all tickets issued.. criminal complaints.. divorces.. domestic stuff.. etc.

desmom

03-03-2008, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by n/t

The last one has Jim Cammack and the violation was in 1993. Weird that the name would appear with Nicholas.

What does OVERTIME mean as a violation? :confused: [/*]

IMO, overtime parking on a meter or posted area.

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 05:49 PM

n/t

03-03-2008, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I think it means that he let the meter run out. [/*]

Duh to me. LOL. I should've figured that out. Thanks Mystry!

n/t

03-03-2008, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by desmom

IMO, overtime parking on a meter or posted area. [/*]

Thanks.

desmom

03-03-2008, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Last night I asked if anyone knew where the picture of the red car was taken. Was it taken where his car was found? It looks like some apartments in the background. Does anyone know? [/*]

If this has been answered, I apologize for being an echo.

On one of the interviews, LE said the picture of the car on the flyer was not Nicholas' car but a car identical to Nicholas' car.

I believe the missing flyers were printed before his car was discovered.

jmo

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by desmom

If this has been answered, I apologize for being an echo.

On one of the interviews, LE said the picture of the car on the flyer was not Nicholas' car but a car identical to Nicholas' car.

I believe the missing flyers were printed before his car was discovered.

jmo [/*]

Oh thanks Desmom - it looked beat up in the pic and I thought Christine mentioned his car not being in very good condition.

desmom

03-03-2008, 06:06 PM

If Nicholas left under his own free will, I think Christine needs to look at their circle of friends and Nicholas' circle of friends.

Who is missing? Who would she expect to be there and is not there? Who is acting strange or uncomfortable when they are at the Francisco home? Who seems distant?

IMO, if he left, he had help or someone else knew the plan.

jmo

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
this is a link to C' latest post to the Francisco's blog.

check out the top post by C

http://thefranciscos.com/ [/*]

Goodness - wonder where she got the questions from :punch:

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
this is a link to C' latest post to the Francisco's blog.

check out the top post by C

http://thefranciscos.com/ [/*]

Well that explains some things for me then. First off, it was assumed by a co-worker he was going to Safeway, he did not say he was. He was actually on his way to Costco though and the reason being. ORGANIC sugar. I am sure you cannot buy that just everywhere??

carterkatt

03-03-2008, 06:10 PM

Maybe it's just me, but I found it odd he would not be carrying any credit cards. What if he had a break down (AAA?) or needed gas/oil etc? New tire? Spur of the moment purchase (Valentine's Day gift?)

Cash? What's cash? Do people really carry much cash any more?

Just thoughts... IMO

desmom

03-03-2008, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
this is a link to C' latest post to the Francisco's blog.

check out the top post by C

http://thefranciscos.com/ [/*]

No signs of foul play or of him running off? What does that leave?

No credit cards on him, no email activity and no bank activity?
I think I would run a credit check. There are several places on line you can run your own credit. http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/freereports/psa.html

carterkatt

03-03-2008, 06:15 PM

Interesting point, HG! Does Costco take checks? Did he carry a checkbook?

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Beth
i don't know this for fact, but I would bet finding organic sugar would be a lot easier to do at Safeway than it would be to do at Costco. [/*]

Maybe it was a certain brand they liked?

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by carterkatt
Maybe it's just me, but I found it odd he would not be carrying any credit cards. What if he had a break down (AAA?) or needed gas/oil etc? New tire? Spur of the moment purchase (Valentine's Day gift?)

Cash? What's cash? Do people really carry much cash any more?

Just thoughts... IMO [/*]

Lots of people do this to be debt free. I personally own credit cards but my hubby has not one. He does not believe in them. He says, if he cant pay cash or up front for it, he doesnt want or need it that bad.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
it's been said he didn't carry cash, and C say's in the blog above, he didn't have any credit cards on him....

how was he going to buy sugar [/*]

Maybe with a debit card that comes directly out of the checking account - maybe she doesn't consider that a credit card.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Maybe with a debit card that comes directly out of the checking account - maybe she doesn't consider that a credit card. [/*]

Yeah I wouldnt consider that a cc either.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
guarenteed, someone else is going to post that link the F family blog.....

probably someone that it taking up for C.....

to try to prove all of our thoughts and theroy's are wrong.... [/*]

Actually I think we have all said one of the possibilities is that he never made it out of the parking lot. I'm wondering if he had car trouble and pulled over to an area to check the car and something happened there.

field of snow

03-03-2008, 06:32 PM

I'm doing this as a special present for KL, M, and MPh...

The larger amounts of (organic) sugar from Costco could be a budgetary thing, as she also used sugar to make sugar scrubs for her new spa shop on Etsy.

It's probably the most economical in that amount compared to buying a small pkg at Safeway or other regular grocery store or even WholeFoods . I'd have to go to Costco to see the size myself, but then again...I really don't care.

So yeah, I just stuck up for Christine's need for Sugar from Costco with a logical explanation. Ha!

I still believe he just walked out. Sorry.

abstr

03-03-2008, 07:05 PM

That is why hhy they neededajudge....pubicis coudn't access the records...and neither could Christine
Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Well we were right about the cell phone - it was his but got a discount throught he company

We never thought of the organic sugar

Left the building - no one can confirm he got in his car, sooooooo somewhere between work and Costco something happened. IMO [/*]

mc528

03-03-2008, 07:05 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by hippiegirl
beth, i don't know, it seemed to me like whomever posted, QUOTE]

I actually see nothing wrong with Christine lurking here and other places and reading all that is written. While she, and others, might not agree with everything, you never know when some small piece of information could be discovered that could help in finding Nicholas. Sometimes when you a very close to a situation it's hard to look at things from every angle. Objective opinions and ideas may help lead the thinking and searching to a direction that will find out what happened. JMO

Danette44

03-03-2008, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Goodness - wonder where she got the questions from :punch: [/*]

Hi Rainy - amazing isn't it! lol

Danette44

03-03-2008, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by desmom

No signs of foul play or of him running off? What does that leave?

No credit cards on him, no email activity and no bank activity?
I think I would run a credit check. There are several places on line you can run your own credit. http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/freereports/psa.html [/*]

Hey desmom - she left out one major account - that was his PAYPAL, what activity did it have?? lol

desmom

03-03-2008, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Hey desmom - she left out one major account - that was his PAYPAL, what activity did it have?? lol [/*]

:lol: Good point Danette!

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Hey desmom - she left out one major account - that was his PAYPAL, what activity did it have?? lol [/*]

A newbie here. I have a few questions about the PayPal account maybe someone can help me with. Was there a withdrawal from a PayPal account? How much money was it? Is the account a personal account or related to Christine's business?

Thanks for your help!

n/t

03-03-2008, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Hubbard

A newbie here. I have a few questions about the PayPal account maybe someone can help me with. Was there a withdrawal from a PayPal account? How much money was it? Is the account a personal account or related to Christine's business?

Thanks for your help! [/*]

According to Christine and the link posted above. Not sure if this answers your question or not.

*the paypal account is for his business and there was no money missing. he just didn’t make near as much as he usually does.

n/t

03-03-2008, 07:28 PM

Dannette, can you explain your paypal comment. I don't get it.

Thanks

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Envision

I read that and am now wondering why that would be cause for alarm and make her desperate for money 1 day after he goes missing? [/*]

Well that's also not what she said before. She specifically said that she looked at his PayPal account and discovered that her "sweet husband" was shielding her from debt. Quite different than saying he just didn't make as much money as he usually makes.

n/t

03-03-2008, 07:36 PM

Originally posted by Envision

I read that and am now wondering why that would be cause for alarm and make her desperate for money 1 day after he goes missing? [/*]

I don't see it as being cause for alarm, she's only pointing out the facts. There's no money missing in the Paypal account so I'm guessing she doesn't believe he just took off on her.

Not sure about her desperate for money 1 day after. Where did this come from? Did she beg for money?

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Wow. Thank you for that.

Here is what she says:

*Nicholas went missing 2/13/08
*I spoke to him at 6PM
*He had to sign off on a project at work
*A co-worker saw him leave the building at 6:10PM - he never said he was going to safeway that was speculation on the co-workers part.
*His cell phone battery was dead all day, confirmed by co-workers
*He was going to costco in tukwila to get a bag of organic sugar
*He is not believed by police to ever have made it to costco
*His car was found monday 2/18 at a condo complex in Federal Way, 30 min south of our home.
*His cell phone is his phone but got a discount through work.
*he always carries his laptop with him in a gray sleeve and then puts that into his orange and gray messenger bag.
*police have not walked away from the case at all. there is no evidence pointing to him running off or of foul play so they will keep looking.
*he did not have any credit cards on him and there is no activity on his email or bank accounts

so if the info isn’t listed on here then it just is a rumor and should be treated as such.

Amazing how she is answering a lot of our questions. Almost like she's been reading here. [/*]

So, did she edit this already to add in the part about the PayPal that is there now? Maybe she could also explain how "shielding from debt" is the same as not making as much money as usual?

Well, I don't see anything there about them being in "desperate need" of money. Is that just a "rumor" then? Was her sister mistaken when she posted that on Etsy? If so, perhaps Christine or her sister would want to correct that on the various boards?

truecrimejunkie

03-03-2008, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
it's been said he didn't carry cash, and C say's in the blog above, he didn't have any credit cards on him....

how was he going to buy sugar [/*]

my husband and i actually use something called "cash!"

Danette44

03-03-2008, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Well that's also not what she said before. She specifically said that she looked at his PayPal account and discovered that her "sweet husband" was shielding her from debt. Quite different than saying he just didn't make as much money as he usually makes. [/*]

Thank you for answering that for me Thru - I was away from computer and came back to read and then seen you answer........

Nice how she forgot that account of his......be assure, we will see an explaination and that one also.....lol Thank you again :)

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
earlier someone posted something about blood being found; does anyone have a link? Or was that post removed cuz now I cant find it.......:shrug: [/*]

I think I've read every link there is out there and I have seen no article stating anything except the car was clean clean clean.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by mc528

I actually see nothing wrong with Christine lurking here and other places and reading all that is written. While she, and others, might not agree with everything, you never know when some small piece of information could be discovered that could help in finding Nicholas. Sometimes when you a very close to a situation it's hard to look at things from every angle. Objective opinions and ideas may help lead the thinking and searching to a direction that will find out what happened. JMO [/*]

I would agree with this. If I personally could not stomach it, I would have my sister or a close friend read. There may be some things she has not thought about. A poster mentioned earlier today (sorry can't remember who) about putting his picture on every CraigsList - its free and as computer savvy as she is, it would be a snap.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by greeneyez78

*the paypal account is for his business and there was no money missing. he just didn’t make near as much as he usually does.
*we used to own a jeep wrangler but not anymore.
*He was NEVER seen at a public storage. the original lead was mis-told the media. the truth is someone at the public storage saw a car drive by that looked like his. [/*]

Why the desperate need for money then? This came from her sister and her friends. The link has been posted several times on that other thread that is 60 pages long.

Okay wait - she said he just didn't have as much as he usually does in his PayPal? Didn't his business just launch? What would there be to compare it to?

need2no

03-03-2008, 07:51 PM

It appears Christine had no problem accessing Nicholas' paypal account after he went missing....so are we to believe she never took a peek and knew the status of the account before he went missing? Somehow Christine does not strike me as the type of woman who sits back while hubby handles all the household finances and leaves her clueless.

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I would agree with this. If I personally could not stomach it, I would have my sister or a close friend read. There may be some things she has not thought about. A poster mentioned earlier today (sorry can't remember who) about putting his picture on every CraigsList - its free and as computer savvy as she is, it would be a snap. [/*]

Yes, I posted that. How about it, Christine, and/or friends/family reading this? Get that ad and poster out on every craigslist board around! At least seattle.craigslist.org, portland.craigslist.org, vancouver.craigslist.org, toronto.craigslist.org,
sfbay.craigslist.org, sandiego.craigslist.org, losangeles.craigslist.org

I suggested a very compelling title such as "HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MAN? $15,000 REWARD!!!" I think that will catch people's eye for sure.

Or, add something to your blog about "The reason I am not posting on craigslist is because [insert reason here]". I mean, what could it hurt...

need2no

03-03-2008, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by greeneyez78
Yes of course she is reading here, she added this info to the post on her blog....so if ya wanna ask her any questions, ask away and they will be answered........very very promptly.....

From her blog....this is added to the post that she did earlier....

*the paypal account is for his business and there was no money missing. he just didn’t make near as much as he usually does.
*we used to own a jeep wrangler but not anymore.
*He was NEVER seen at a public storage. the original lead was mis-told the media. the truth is someone at the public storage saw a car drive by that looked like his. [/*]

Jeep Wrangler...what's the story behind this comment from CF?

dianaelaine

03-03-2008, 07:54 PM

Hi guys, it's me ... Diana

Oh man, what an ordeal!

OK ... when I hadn't heard from husband for 3 hours after he was suppose to be here, I got in my car and drove to his work, he hadn't been back to pick up his tools ... so I drove to where he had told me he was pumping gas. He wasn't there.

I then looked up and down the main road of the area he would have been in. No van, and I was getting scared.

All this time I had kept calling him on his cell, and no answer.

I called his brother again and his nephew, only 2 places he goes, and he wasn't there.

I went into the large book store he sometimes goes to, thinking he might be taking some time to himself, but he wasn't there .. but I DID finally reach him on the cell!

Do you know what he did????

Right after hanging up from talking to me, and telling me he would pick up subs and come home ... he just changed his mind and went to his nephew's house to talk to his brother, so they could go get his toolbox. His brother was busy working on something there, and they needed his help, so he pitched in and helped.

All this time, his phone was in the van, so he never heard it. I did call the house, but they were outside, so they never heard THAT phone.

He was on his way into work to get the tools, when I called him ... and we met for a sub. When I met him, I asked .. how could you hang up from telling me you were on your way, and just go do something else ... and not ONCE remember that I was waiting, and that you were suppose to come home???

He said he just forgot, never thought of it, and got busy with the guys.

Huh??????

Sorry, but I just don't get how you can hang up from talking to your wife, and go do something else, and not even remember that she is WAITING at home for you.

MEN!

:flamemad: :flamemad:

But he IS safe ... for NOW!

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by need2no
It appears Christine had no problem accessing Nicholas' paypal account after he went missing....so are we to believe she never took a peek and knew the status of the account before he went missing? Somehow Christine does not strike me as the type of woman who sits back while hubby handles all the household finances and leaves her clueless. [/*]

I do remember a post she made saying that she was thankful she remembered Nicholas' password.

Danette44

03-03-2008, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by greeneyez78
Yes of course she is reading here, she added this info to the post on her blog....so if ya wanna ask her any questions, ask away and they will be answered........very very promptly.....

From her blog....this is added to the post that she did earlier....

*the paypal account is for his business and there was no money missing. he just didn’t make near as much as he usually does.
*we used to own a jeep wrangler but not anymore.
*He was NEVER seen at a public storage. the original lead was mis-told the media. the truth is someone at the public storage saw a car drive by that looked like his. [/*]

She is getting quick! I have no trust in what she says - she has told to many different stories as it is.....jmoo

desmom

03-03-2008, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by greeneyez78
Yes of course she is reading here, she added this info to the post on her blog....so if ya wanna ask her any questions, ask away and they will be answered........very very promptly.....

From her blog....this is added to the post that she did earlier....

*the paypal account is for his business and there was no money missing. he just didn’t make near as much as he usually does.
*we used to own a jeep wrangler but not anymore.
*He was NEVER seen at a public storage. the original lead was mis-told the media. the truth is someone at the public storage saw a car drive by that looked like his. [/*]

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=6516902&src=newsnding

Christine: "We are broke. I mean you saw the car. There is nothing special about it. He didn't have anything on him except his laptop."

need2no

03-03-2008, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I do remember a post she made saying that she was thankful she remembered Nicholas' password. [/*]

Now that you mention it I think I remember that too. Don't you think since she apparently spends a good amount of time on the computer and is home everyday that she would be well aware of the status of his account. For instance she may need to purchase some material or supplies and decide to check on their funds before making the purchase.

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 07:59 PM

here are some questions that have been asked before, yet are not answered in the "these are the facts" post on Christine's blog:

1. Why did you say at one point that "we're broke" and make a disparaging remark about Nicholas's car, and then in another interview downplay that by saying something like "we're not rich or poor, just in the middle"?

2. Why did you say that your husband had been "shielding you from debt" with regard to his PayPal account?

3. Do you have supplies on hand to continue to at least run your body spa business? If so, why don't you re-open your store? I understand it may be hard to concentrate on sewing, but filling some containers with lotions and such probably isn't too stressful? It might even be something your kids could get involved with and take their minds off of things.

4. Have you considered contributing any of the money you've received to either hire a PI yourself, or to increase the reward? It would seem that finding your husband would be a higher priority right now than simply getting more and more money. Surely you have family and friends that could help with some of your immediate needs so the money could be used to directly help find your husband and bring resolution to you and your family, one way or another?

5. Was any money donated from Etsy and others used to pay off past debts rather than for immediate living/survival needs?

Thanks in advance for any clarity you can add.

greeneyez78

03-03-2008, 08:02 PM

Someone asked what the comment about the Jeep Wrangler was.....

I found alot of parking tickets under his name on the public court records website.....with the vehicle he had on the tickets listed as a jeep wrangler.......then under Aliases was his name and some other guys name.......

bitsy555

03-03-2008, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Yes, I posted that. How about it, Christine, and/or friends/family reading this? Get that ad and poster out on every craigslist board around! At least seattle.craigslist.org, portland.craigslist.org, vancouver.craigslist.org, toronto.craigslist.org,
sfbay.craigslist.org, sandiego.craigslist.org, losangeles.craigslist.org

I suggested a very compelling title such as "HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MAN? $15,000 REWARD!!!" I think that will catch people's eye for sure.

Or, add something to your blog about "The reason I am not posting on craigslist is because [insert reason here]". I mean, what could it hurt... [/*]

I just can't imagine why this hasn't happened. Why wouldn't you get his face out there anyway you could? There are so many people that are not aware of this story. Who knows maybe he has been seen but if people don't know anything about this.....
To me there is no excuse for not taking advantage of every avenue you can. If you don't know how to do it....find someone to help you!

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Yes, I posted that. How about it, Christine, and/or friends/family reading this? Get that ad and poster out on every craigslist board around! At least seattle.craigslist.org, portland.craigslist.org, vancouver.craigslist.org, toronto.craigslist.org,
sfbay.craigslist.org, sandiego.craigslist.org, losangeles.craigslist.org

I suggested a very compelling title such as "HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MAN? $15,000 REWARD!!!" I think that will catch people's eye for sure.

Or, add something to your blog about "The reason I am not posting on craigslist is because [insert reason here]". I mean, what could it hurt... [/*]

TTT - I love your idea - they could put it under all sorts of categories....under FREE - $15,000.00 - tell us where he is (with Nicholas' pic)

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by need2no

Jeep Wrangler...what's the story behind this comment from CF? [/*]

There was some talk over on the websleuths board that had something to do with this. I just glanced at this morning.

She's definitely finding plenty of time to spend on the various boards, I just hope she spends some time actually trying to find her husband by posting info about him missing on craigslist etc instead of just answering questions.

need2no

03-03-2008, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by greeneyez78
Someone asked what the comment about the Jeep Wrangler was.....

I found alot of parking tickets under his name on the public court records website.....with the vehicle he had on the tickets listed as a jeep wrangler.......then under Aliases was his name and some other guys name....... [/*]

Ok, thank you. I saw your earlier posts about the tickets and the aliases but didn't have time to follow the links, and didn't recall mention of a Jeep Wrangler. Thanks for the explanation.

greeneyez78

03-03-2008, 08:06 PM

Someone also asked something about wanting to know if she was listed on their house deed/title........here is the info from public records on that......

http://146.129.54.93:8193/imgcache/OPR20060227000289-1-1.pdf

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Now that IS interesting; so the post was either deleted or erased, because I read it; a few hours ago. Came back after dinner; cant find it anywhere. It wasnt a link tho; that's why I was asking. So confirmed then there was no sign of any blood or any foul play at all. He's just "gone"

Where are his keys please?

Cat [/*]

Cell phone, laptop, keys, wallet, etc. are missing.

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

TTT - I love your idea - they could put it under all sorts of categories....under FREE - $15,000.00 - tell us where he is (with Nicholas' pic) [/*]

Craigslist does have some limitations as far as posting the exact same post on different categories and cities, but it isn't too hard to get around that if you use a different email address and/or change the wording a bit in each one. I would do it but I'm supposed to be working, and I think Christine has the time if she has time to keep updating her blog with "the facts". Plus I just wonder if perhaps there is not much point because she already knows where he is, or doesn't want him to be found, yet? OTOH, it would be an easy way to *appear* to be trying to find him.

Well if there is no news and no craigslist posts by morning, maybe I'll just do it.

greeneyez78

03-03-2008, 08:14 PM

Well he has a court date coming up on the 19th I believe, so if he doesn't show for that or pay the fine, then there will be a warrant issued(If I remember correctly).

The parking ticket recieved on the 31st of Jan and filed on the 2nd of Feb.....has a court date listed for March 19th.....I lost count but there was a whole bunch of tickets listed, ranging from just parking tickets, to running a stop sign, and numerous other parking/traffic tickets.....

need2no

03-03-2008, 08:15 PM

Can you purchase a pre paid phone card and have those minutes allotted to your current phone (which had previously been under a regular carrier plan), and if so is....is there anyway for LE to track incoming and outgoing calls in this pre paid situation?

I hope this makes sense.

Let me put it this way. Suppose I cancelled my current cell phone service (or didn't pay the bill and they cancelled my service), could I purchase a pre paid card with phone minutes and have them allotted to my cell phone? If so, would there be any record of my incoming and outgoing phone calls anywhere?

desmom

03-03-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

She is getting quick! I have no trust in what she says - she has told to many different stories as it is.....jmoo [/*]

Quick is a good word because she is still adding: http://www.thefranciscos.com/

though it’s none of your business Nicholas was on a studio salary and not on an art director salary as he was up for his raise in the coming months. he was promoted last summer to the art director position.

He was promoted last summer to Art Director, but he was still making studio salary wage.

I am not familiar with either job title. Wouldn't a pay raise come with a promotion?

mc528

03-03-2008, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by Envision

I read that and am now wondering why that would be cause for alarm and make her desperate for money 1 day after he goes missing? [/*]

Same thought here too. If his company valued him so much that they immediately hired a PI, and put up some of the money for the reward, I seriously doubt that they would immediately cut off his paychecks. And even if this past month he didn't make as much in his free-lance business (the non-Etsy one) that shouldn't have caused that much of an alarm. Most bills can wait a month or two without causing that much concern. The urgent and desperate call for money still doesn't add up, in my opinion.

greeneyez78

03-03-2008, 08:20 PM

Yes this is almost like talking on the phone with someone she is responding so quickly......wow......

BTW( if anyone wants to look)

There are tons of public records out there that can be found for free on the Washington King county websites.......

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by greeneyez78
Yes this is almost like talking on the phone with someone she is responding so quickly......wow......

BTW( if anyone wants to look)

There are tons of public records out there that can be found for free on the Washington King county websites....... [/*]

Isn't it amazing what is out there? Sometimes scary too. One that I find pretty useful in getting info is the Washington registered voters website. Used that to help find addresses for some classmates for a high school reunion last year. Sometimes I just use it to find out someone's age (gives birthdates) or address (it leaves off one digit but then if you go to the other search screen and plug in the 10 possible digits from 0-9, the address can be found too). That's where I found the Franciscos info initially.

greeneyez78

03-03-2008, 08:25 PM

Does anyone here know the answer to this question.....I could have missed it.....

I have read her due date with the baby is October???? Well I was due with my daughter October 16th(she is 5 yrs old now)....and I didn't find out I was pregnant with her until Feb 14th...and my estimated date of conception was Jan 10th.....

She said she told him she was pregnant on his birthday which is Jan 23rd IIRC........how would she even have confirmation that she was pregnant by his birthday????? That would have only have made her 13 days(give or take)........

Danette44

03-03-2008, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

There was some talk over on the websleuths board that had something to do with this. I just glanced at this morning.

She's definitely finding plenty of time to spend on the various boards, I just hope she spends some time actually trying to find her husband by posting info about him missing on craigslist etc instead of just answering questions. [/*]

That's what has been bothering me all along with her - she isn't putting any effort into locating Nicholas - it's like she doesn't want him found! She stated she couldn't function, couldn't leave the couch unless it was for a TV Interview.......well she only did 2 why not anymore? Nancy and Greta are great at follwoing up on cases, but for some reason they are staying away from this one........I even wrote Nancy and Greta and not one word back!

It seems she had more followers when we were on her sites than she now has on the Prayer site, she was getting alot more attention with our opinons than she is now. It doesn't surprise me she is defending herself once again, the story is dying down except for us over here - could the donations be dying down also?

Just a few days ago they mention the donations again.......unbelieveable......Just My Opinon Of Course

need2no

03-03-2008, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Quick is a good word because she is still adding: http://www.thefranciscos.com/

He was promoted last summer to Art Director, but he was still making studio salary wage.

I am not familiar with either job title. Wouldn't a pay raise come with a promotion? [/*]

From my business experience some company's promote you and then give you a period of time to prove they made the correct decision before changing your salary, and in some instances, your title. However, it is generally 90 days at most...again, from my experience.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 08:27 PM

She could put his pictue here....every one in every state requests these services so there are a lot of people looking at this site...

http://www.texasequusearch.org/report_missingperson.html

desmom

03-03-2008, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by greeneyez78
Does anyone here know the answer to this question.....I could have missed it.....

I have read her due date with the baby is October???? Well I was due with my daughter October 16th(she is 5 yrs old now)....and I didn't find out I was pregnant with her until Feb 14th...and my estimated date of conception was Jan 10th.....

She said she told him she was pregnant on his birthday which is Jan 23rd IIRC........how would she even have confirmation that she was pregnant by his birthday????? That would have only have made her 13 days(give or take)........ [/*]

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5474521
states she was 7 weeks pregnant on Feb. 18.

Musterion

03-03-2008, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Craigslist does have some limitations as far as posting the exact same post on different categories and cities, but it isn't too hard to get around that if you use a different email address and/or change the wording a bit in each one. I would do it but I'm supposed to be working, and I think Christine has the time if she has time to keep updating her blog with "the facts". Plus I just wonder if perhaps there is not much point because she already knows where he is, or doesn't want him to be found, yet? OTOH, it would be an easy way to *appear* to be trying to find him.

Well if there is no news and no craigslist posts by morning, maybe I'll just do it. [/*]

Craigslist for Nicholas.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/vnn/587701049.html

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Quick is a good word because she is still adding: http://www.thefranciscos.com/

He was promoted last summer to Art Director, but he was still making studio salary wage.

I am not familiar with either job title. Wouldn't a pay raise come with a promotion? [/*]

She would be right about the money being no one's business but since there were approximately 900 posts talking about their financial situation, it became public knowledge.

Musterion

03-03-2008, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Craigslist for Nicholas.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/vnn/587701049.html [/*]

If that doesn't work just Google Nicholas Francisco Craigslist.

desmom

03-03-2008, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by need2no

From my business experience some company's promote you and then give you a period of time to prove they made the correct decision before changing your salary, and in some instances, your title. However, it is generally 90 days at most...again, from my experience. [/*]

Thanks.

I am glad my past employer did not work that way. You get promoted, you get a pay raise.

need2no

03-03-2008, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Envision

I am not sure the warrant is issued immediately but those are rarely carried out for 1 parking ticket. They're usually not enforced until the owner of the vehicle is stopped again for some other traffic infraction or commits a crime and is caught. [/*]

It seems to me this is handled different in every state.
I thought Seattle was pretty strict about tickets and big on slapping those boots on cars who haven't paid a ticket.

n/t

03-03-2008, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

If that doesn't work just Google Nicholas Francisco Craigslist. [/*]

This one should work.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/vnn/587701049.html

need2no

03-03-2008, 08:40 PM

Does anyone know the answer to my question (posted at 7:15) regarding pre paid cell phones?

Musterion

03-03-2008, 08:40 PM

"But if she truly believes he is dead, do you have any thoughts on why she isn't doing everything she possibly can to get his body found? I mean, she will not be able to get him declared legally dead without a body, and I think someone else mentioned a 7-year waiting period. Maybe it is just too overwhelming for her to think about it. I do hope that she is getting some therapy to help her deal with all of this."

I think it was ThruThetrees who asked the above.

We don't know that she isn't doing everything to get his body found. We just know that we aren't hearing what is being done.

Based on the comments about Christine appearing to be wanting money so desperately I would think it in her best interest to not let the public know she is looking for his body for any insurance money that she could claim.

Sunday Moon

03-03-2008, 08:41 PM

Still haven't heard back from Greta. Hmmm. Not only does she already know about this case because she had Christine on but she usually jumps at any missing person case. She even had the case of the boy that went missing in my hometown of Scranton, PA last year. He went missing the day of the St. Patrick's Day parade and sadly his body was found in the Lackawanna River in May. They determined it was accidental. I even started a thread here last March. But anyway, Greta often discusses missing people during her "Missing in America" segment. Maybe she is just really busy with political things? I remember emailing Greta during the Scott Peterson trial and she was quick to respond then.

seattlematt

03-03-2008, 08:42 PM

I recalled this news story this afternoon... somewhat of a similar story if he indeed just vanished.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291424,00.html

greeneyez78

03-03-2008, 08:42 PM

Here is one of her first responses to the first message she posted about him missing over at etsy. This is when everyone thought she was posting a link to a site with a virus or something.

rinnovibodyspa says:
please know i am terribly grieved and heartbroken as i am pregnant and my 4 year old and 2 year old have now broken down and are crying all day for their daddy. the only reason i am on here is because i haven't eaten since wednesday and i'm too weak and pregnant to be out . it is unhealthy for me at this time and i need to care for my kids. i am trying to just get the word out. please help.
Posted at 10:11 pm, February 16 2008 EST

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 08:45 PM

Since people are googling the name Nicholas Francisco looking for updates, would that show up on MySpace? Christine has a MySpace - she could put his picture up there in case anyone was browsing through.

n/t - in answer to your question, I think pre-paid minutes are for pre-paid phones, but I could be terriblyyyyyyyyyy wrong about that.

seattlematt

03-03-2008, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by need2no
Can you purchase a pre paid phone card and have those minutes allotted to your current phone (which had previously been under a regular carrier plan), and if so is....is there anyway for LE to track incoming and outgoing calls in this pre paid situation?

I hope this makes sense.

Let me put it this way. Suppose I cancelled my current cell phone service (or didn't pay the bill and they cancelled my service), could I purchase a pre paid card with phone minutes and have them allotted to my cell phone? If so, would there be any record of my incoming and outgoing phone calls anywhere? [/*]

No...well.. not without alot of difficulty and porting of numbers (this would show up on cell phone activity records and take weeks).