Discussion - March 3rd.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I thought Kauno had something to do with coffee, since really the only thing he listed on his profile said he didn't like coffee, but wouldn't mind doing some ads for coffee companies. [/*]

Well, he's also living/working in Coffee Land (home of Starbucks and a bunch of indie coffee places. I'm sure he wouldn't mind a design gig at $tarbucks.

[Pam]

Originally posted by moonlessnite
Is she really pregnant? Do you call yourself a mother of three when you are in your first trimester with your third?
she describes herself "I am loving being a wife and mom of three kiddos ages 4, 2 and #3 is on the way."
This was from 2006 or spring 2007 (was there really a miscarriage?)
http://www.jpgmag.com/people/bella
could she have known she was preggo on NF's *'day in Jan. when she's 8 weeks now? do you announce it so early when m/c is a risk/medical history? [/*]

Or could there be some discord in the relationship and she is using it as a way to keep N bound to her, by saying she's pregnant???

Sorry, just an idea that passed through my head earlier. Maybe I should just go to bed now, lol!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by snowfield


Well, he's also living/working in Coffee Land (home of Starbucks and a bunch of indie coffee places. I'm sure he wouldn't mind a design gig at $tarbucks. [/*]

Ohhhhhhhhhh okay well that makes sense - I could not figure out why he mentioned coffee, and not candy or bottled water or vegetables or whatever lol.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by K Anne


That's interesting -- I did see on one site (god knows which) that his ethnicity is listed as, what did they call it, Pacific Islander? And most of the folks I've met in Seattle are Hawaiian. So I don't know what that means, but it's interesting... [/*]

His mom looked European I thought? Maybe it was the tiny screen...he doesn't look 100% Filipino (which is what I believe someone said he was?).

[field of snow]

Originally posted by Pam


Or could there be some discord in the relationship and she is using it as a way to keep N bound to her, by saying she's pregnant???

Sorry, just an idea that passed through my head earlier. Maybe I should just go to bed now, lol! [/*]


I agree.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by snowfield


That is what I've been looking into.

There is a kauno'o shell where kauno'o (assuming Hawaiian) means scorched or burnt.

There are people with the last name Kauno in Seattle.

Also people from Kauna in Lithuanian are Kauno, I think?

Still looking... [/*]

I looked this up last week when I read about his Etsy business. I found this an interesting meaning: Kauno is a rune that symbolizes fire or enlightenment. The following info is from http://www.runemaker.com/futhark/kauno.shtml

Meaning
Heat, light, enlightenment. Possibly mistaken: burning. an opening, ulcer or injury and thus mental anguish.

Characteristics
Kauno's main significance is related to fire, light, warmth, enlightenment and knowledge. It sheds light on the path, dispels the dark shadows of ignorance, and helps us to see with true discernment. It suggests that understanding must lead to action, and light in the darkness implies spiritual illumination. Kauno also represents the natural warmth and companionship of the home fire and thus, good health.

In its rather suspect "ulcer" translation it can represent a doorway or portal leading from darkness to light. It could also be taken as a warning to beware sources of heat or light, or of physical danger. So, if you are using this interpretation, take care against accidents, treat any illness or infirmity, and resolve your mental dilemmas.

[Nellie]

Personally, I think she protests too much.
Why care what a bunch of strangers across the country think?
She knows the truth....that should be all that matters.
Why go searching around the internet to see what people are saying and then try to set the record straight? People are going to believe what they believe. A list of facts put out by her probably is not going to change their mind. Why do this? Unless people are sometimes getting too close to the truth.....

I think my dear, sweet, beloved husband wants me to go to bed....

[Pam]

Originally posted by snowfield



I agree. [/*]

you agree it's past my bedtime? :D

[RainyNiteNTx]

Good night all - I hope after all the work that has been put into the 60+ pages that we can ignore the "ankle biting" - love that phrase Beth. I'm not sure that everyone here has the same agenda which is to find Nicholas.

[moonlessnite]

they sure have a lot of online presences... I can't keep track of the webpages/profiles devoted to both/each of them -pre-disappearance.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by Nellie


Looking at that site, there's really nothing to buy there. It just doesn't look real lucrative to me. [/*]

I have a web design site.. mostly what you see is previous work that someone has done so it will give you an idea of what they can do. Some tend to put all of their work out there to see and some put a small amount. It's really hard to tell how much business one does from their site. It does go in spurts, sometimes you are covered up with work and other times you have a lull.. A lot of work you get is by word-of-mouth.

[need2no]

Originally posted by sherryhefner


Wow, that's interesting....come on now, need2no! Through those ideas at us! We'll be nice ;)

Great post! [/*]


Thanks for that sf, but truth be told this was easy to come up with this info. as I have done quite a bit of research on this disorder in the past.

Here's a couple of other things about them y'all might find interesting:

Narcissists are pathological liars. They think nothing of it because their very self is FALSE, an invention.

As narcissist can suck you in before you know what happened and make your life a living hell.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by snowfield


His mom looked European I thought? Maybe it was the tiny screen...he doesn't look 100% Filipino (which is what I believe someone said he was?). [/*]

I think I put it out there that I thought he might be Filipino. But I thought Viliamu Fale was too, and others have said he's Samoan.

What we do know is that both men were reported as "Asian/Pacific Islander" on the official missing person reports. So Nicholas is at least part Asian or Pacific Islander. I am guessing from the photos that he might be Filipino, but I don't know for sure. He could be Samoan, Fijian, or another island origin, such as Guam.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


....... It sheds light on the path, dispels the dark shadows of ignorance, and helps us to see with true discernment. It suggests that understanding must lead to action, and light in the darkness implies spiritual illumination.

So we should change this board's name to Kauno?

[K Anne]

Originally posted by moonlessnite
I do think, deep down, he left on his own, and she knew, and I do think a manipulative scam is a great likelihood, even if only to fool herself.
It was suggested she had him killed, so she wouldn't have done it herself. I dunno if I can go with that theory, but...
I just can't imagine someone would do this to his parents, sisters, kids etc., but I suppose people do.

I can't say much more about Saturn other than it is the "taskmaster", and concerns financials, responsibilities, burdens, etc. At 28, it is in the same position as when you were born, so it kind of makes you re-evaluate your life in those terms - burdens - and often people need to make changes of some sort. Someone who feels trapped and has a lot going for them otherwise and is facing a life revision might take off in search of a new life, I guess.
I don't know any of their charts or even their astro signs, etc. I don't know if Saturn makes you get hit on the head or anything else like that. [/*]

Saturn in Aries is the head business; I've seen Saturn in ...8th house? in children's charts, signifying inheritance due to death of the father.

Here's other Saturn return info from a few years back, the hard aspect to Pluto is what I'm aiming at here:
http://www.panix.com/~gsk/saturnreturn2.html

The thing about Saturn return is that we all go through it and we don't all leave our spouses or commit suicide or otherwise disappear from the lives we've led up to that point. I am very keen to know more about the astrology of the family but unless Saturn is poorly aspected in his chart (or hers for that matter) I don't think it explains what happened.

I'd also be interested to know some of the stories you say she bored everyone with. The emphatic talking about her role as wife and mother, IMO falls in with the Mars Hill Church business, as well as simply within the realm of how a creative woman's mind works when she finds she is primarily identified or valued as mother and wife rather than as the full intricate interesting person she is. A lot of SAHMs go through that kind of identity crisis, and even, that kind of strident or emphatic communication style. Comes with being an intelligent person "trapped" at home with kids and not enough adult interaction.

[need2no]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


I have a web design site.. mostly what you see is previous work that someone has done so it will give you an idea of what they can do. Some tend to put all of their work out there to see and some put a small amount. It's really hard to tell how much business one does from their site. It does go in spurts, sometimes you are covered up with work and other times you have a lull.. A lot of work you get is by word-of-mouth. [/*]


So as some of us were saying, CF would have no way of 'expecting' a certain income from NF's site and should not have been shocked by what she found when she logged onto his account.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by snowfield


So we should change this board's name to Kauno? [/*]

As I was typing that (ok, I cannot tell a lie -- I "cut and pasted it"!), no as I was READING that, it struck me that that really is a lot of what this board is about -- "seeing with true discernment".

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Envision


And something I've found is a lot of those websites haven't even been used by either of them since early 2007 or so. The francisco family blog hadn't been used since Aug and now C is in there blogging up a storm. [/*]

Blah. I have a blog that I only post on on holidays or when my husband completely pisses me off. Sometimes I go months without posting too.

If CF has many casual acquaintances who feel about her the way moonless reports they do, perhaps a blog is one of the few places she feels she can express herself without being derided or shamed.

*edited for clarity

[need2no]

Originally posted by Beth
We had to work with narcississtic behaviors for a project i did at work. One of the better articles i read was narcissism in a partnership or marriage. I'll put the link (i was just informed I can't copy text), but there is a lot of interesting and similar behaviors that I am sure more than I picked up on.

Anyway, if you're interested. http://www.doaskdotell.com/content/narcisis.htm

Paragraphs 6 and 8 are both interesting and very short.

Me too. I'm having to edit way to many spelling errors and typos. G'nite. [/*]

Thank you, that is interesting.

:seeya: Good night.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by Nellie


Is embellishment considered lying?

So, if she is creative....then she could be painting a picture of her perfect marriage and her perfect life with her sweet, beloved husband, right? So, was it real life or just a picture? [/*]

I don't believe, in this case, calling Nicholas sweet is a lie.

I didn't gleen from all she has stated, that I have read or heard, that life was perfect for them or that Nicholas was perfect. I don't see a picture painted that way at all.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Envision

Do you have several or 1? [/*]

I have one for personal writing and one for business, as well as accounts with several social networking sites. None is updated with any regularity.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by moonlessnite
I'm not clear if this will post as a reply or new thread. Anyway, I live in South Seattle and Christine is a casual acquaintance of mine, and I have seen Nicholas around once or twice. I've been wanting to post a comment but it took forever to get activated here. Since my experience of Christine's personality is coming from in-person interactions and not from online forums or the etsy community, I thought it may add a layer to the discussion.

When I first realized it was Christine who was the wife of the local missing man, I immediately thought, oh well, he left her. And then I thought, she knows something. All concern of a missing man in the area went away as I was confident it was a domestic dispute situation. The first responses of a few other casual acquaintances of hers were, "oh, she finally drove him away", and "maybe she killed him off". The reason many of us thought this is because of the way she talked, and talked and talked - that she drove him crazy pestering him and boring him all the time, basically.
We tried to avoid letting her start talking, as she would go on forever about herself, even in situations where that was inappropriate. She was unaware of the environment around her and how she affects other people, and how to behave. Her monologues about herself, and being a wife and mother (no identity otherwise?) were very emphatic and forceful, and she certainly would use forceful tones and a challenging defensiveness in order to make her thoughts heard and agreed with. She also appeared to be someone who did very little outside the house and had a complex about this and her outside abilities (lack thereof), and overcompensated by insisting on the importance of her AHM (at home mother) job.

An aspect related to this I'd like to offer, having "experienced her personality" is the likelihood of a personality disorder, which could explain this situation. I noticed her behavior in my interactions with her to be similar to narcissistic behavior, and I feel she could have NPD (narcissistic personality disorder). http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_Narscissist
Narcissistic people will go to extreme lengths to protect their fragile sense of identity if it's threatened. Normal behavior and actions are not considered. Protecting the self is the goal and it must be achieved at all costs.
I never thought she killed Nicholas off, but when it was suggested, I accepted it as a possibility. But I do think if he left her, she knew it, and her actions have been to cover her embarrassment and protect herself, by lying until she believes it herself.
This is why she won't go to vigils (she's pissed off, not mourning) and why she won't look for him.
I don't know why he would leave the kids w/o money, but I do know people w/o options do desperate things. He was always smiling and friendly, but I don't know anything else about him except something in his personality was interested in marrying a narcissist. It takes 2 to tango. I see him as a youthful, energetic, charming man who likely has many other relationship possibilities available to him.
Also, your "Saturn Return" http://newage-directory.com/saturn.html happens at 28, and is a time to revise life if it does not suit your true self.

I found Christine's actions related to this situation questionable, and her behavior was not lining up with the story. I felt badly for thinking this way, wanting to be compassionate and give the benefit of the doubt. So, I was very comforted to see on so many forums that so many other people who have or have not met her feel the same way and question her as well.
What bothered me immediately (so many things have bothered me since and you have all pointed them out thankfully) about this case is her very first interview wherein she stated "if you don't find him these kids won't have a daddy", etc. The fact that she placed responsibility for finding him on "you" (police?, media?), and that she went to the worst case scenario so early on, in front of her children, felt off, to me. As if she knew he left her and she could not find him as he didn't want to be found by her, and to guilt him that his kids won't have a daddy.

Knowing the people involved in this kind of thing is weird, and having the impression that I have of them makes me really want to have the truth be known, whatever is turns out to be exactly. If this woman is perpetuating a hoax (and financial scam), it should be known and she should face the repercussions. If she did worse than that, she should be caught. I hope the detectives can see through her transparent behavior and keep an eye on her.
OK, I think this is long enough and I've said
everything I've been wanting to say now... [/*]

Welcome, and thanks for posting all that. I've been hoping someone who actually knows the Franciscos would come on this board and share some insights.

Did you post on the West Seattle Blog threads about Nicholas? There was someone who posted several times that seemed to know Christine and expressed some doubts about her there. (I posted there as "Observer", most recently today when I posted the link to Christine's "get the facts" post, which WSB then made a new blog topic)

[K Anne]

Originally posted by K Anne


I have one for personal writing and one for business, as well as accounts with several social networking sites. None is updated with any regularity. [/*]

;) But I also am not NF, who is missing and who is the topic of this discussion!

What were we talking about??

[Nellie]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


I have a web design site.. mostly what you see is previous work that someone has done so it will give you an idea of what they can do. Some tend to put all of their work out there to see and some put a small amount. It's really hard to tell how much business one does from their site. It does go in spurts, sometimes you are covered up with work and other times you have a lull.. A lot of work you get is by word-of-mouth. [/*]

But how does one even contact them by that? There's just not any information on it that would help me know exactly what they could do for me or how to contact them.

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Envision


Why set up and maintain payments on a website you rarely use? [/*]

Do you have young kids? (You don't have to answer that!)

You set it up on a whim or out of ambitiousness, and then keep up the payments because you are too busy working, raising children, and trying to get a decent night's sleep to cancel the damn thing.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Musterion


I don't believe, in this case, calling Nicholas sweet is a lie.

I didn't gleen from all she has stated, that I have read or heard, that life was perfect for them or that Nicholas was perfect. I don't see a picture painted that way at all. [/*]

I wasn't necessarily just referring to caling Nicholas sweet.
I meant everything as a whole. Feeling the baby, teaching herself to sew overnight and make her own patterns, the too perfect relationship....just all of it together sometimes sounds like a fairy tale.

[Curiouser]

Mrs. Fale's MySpace has a question from one of her "friends" asking if she's still "waiting for your call". Then she asks Mrs. F. to call her so they can go out "before you leave".

Wonder what the call's about. This friend makes it seem sort of like its a secret (says, "Ummm..") like she isn't sure she should even ask.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Musterion


I don't believe, in this case, calling Nicholas sweet is a lie.

I didn't gleen from all she has stated, that I have read or heard, that life was perfect for them or that Nicholas was perfect. I don't see a picture painted that way at all. [/*]

Read her blog "Busy Bella" on www.thefranciscos.com. Sounds to me like she thought things were going very well, if not perfectly.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by K Anne


I have one for personal writing and one for business, as well as accounts with several social networking sites. None is updated with any regularity. [/*]

I have 10.. 3 sites and 1 message board are for/about missing persons... 2 business sites... 2 myspace that are kept up for listing missing persons... 1 facebook for missing persons and 1 other board that has an arcade.. I very seldom get to that one.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Envision


If I was in desperate need for money, I think my first move would be to see where I could cut my budget and those websites would just have to go. Many of them have disabled links in them or deleted information. Why keep them if you're "broke" as she once claimed? [/*]

They were probably paid for by the year and you couldn't get a refund anyway, so you'd just let them be there until they expired on their own.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by Nellie


But how does one even contact them by that? There's just not any information on it that would help me know exactly what they could do for me or how to contact them. [/*]

on the top right side of the site there is a contact link... which is how a lot of web designers work.. they want you to contact them a tell them just what you are wanting. You are more likely to get a design job that way. If you put too much on a site it gives the perspective client no reason to contact you with questions about your work and they move on to the next design site in their google search.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Nellie


But how does one even contact them by that? There's just not any information on it that would help me know exactly what they could do for me or how to contact them. [/*]

Hey, good point. Their "contact" link on the site doesn't actually work. Well, he/they say on there that the site isn't complete yet.

Still, he is a good designer and there always seems to be demand for that here in Seattle. Even if he was just answering ads on craigslist for freelance graphic design, he could tell potential clients to go see his portfolio at the website, and what he has there is sufficient for that purpose. Also he probably gets work by referral/word-of-mouth. The website may just be to have a "web presence" for his freelance business, not to actually try and solicit business directly from there. If that makes sense?

[Curiouser]

Is anyone familiar with this address:

francisco design
100 Andover Park West
Suite 150
Tukwila, Washington 98188
United States


According to "Whois" this is the registrant of at least some of their websites (the one's I could remember). I'm assuming it would be Nick (francisco design) but where is that address located? That's not his Publicis office is it?? Maybe he has a "real" office for Francisco Design. You wouldn't have clients coming to an office paying him through PayPal.

Maybe he is living in this office!!

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Envision


I suppose but I can't imagine letting all those websites basically go to waste. [/*]

They've got a 4yo and a 2yo; that's reason enough that the websites are not regularly updated.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Envision


Do an address look up in yellow pages! [/*]

But we still need to know if this is close to the Federal Way condos or maybe the Francisco home or Fale home. Thought someone might be familiar with the area and could give us some local info. At this point, I'm too sleepy to go through a map search!!

[Curiouser]

Time for bed........zzzzzzzzzzz

[moonlessnite]

Andover Park is by Southcenter Mall in Tukwilla. Industrial business park area. A block from a big retail mall. It is in a valley right between Seatac and Kent - the respective MIA residences. I tried to google map it and link to it but it wouldn't find Tukwilla, WA. I'll keep trying.

[moonlessnite]

ok, it found Southcenter Mall, but not Tukwila.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
You'll see that Tukwilla/Southcenter is the tip of an arrow, with one end in Seatac, and one end in Kent. make sense?

[moonlessnite]

sorry, bad link.
i hope this works.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Andover+Park+W+%26+Strander+Blvd,+United+States&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=63.904518,93.691406&ie=UTF8&cd=2&geocode=0,47.456214,-122.254383&ll=47.511636,-122.254486&spn=0.217053,0.365982&z=11

[K Anne]

Originally posted by Envision


Originally posted by K Anne


They've got a 4yo and a 2yo; that's reason enough that the websites are not regularly updated. [/*]
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And still no logical explanation for a waste of money. Especially when there are free websites in which C is a member of and posts blogs to regularly.[/*]

Ok. That doesn't really make sense to me. IME free websites are easier to deal with because their design is already established and any changes you can make can only be made within limited parameters. Sometimes creative people (which both NF and CF are) find it easier to work within an established framework.

The other thing is, if either of them owns the domain, chances are that it cost them money at some earlier point but does not affect their finances negatively now. Plus, have you ever tried to get service from these sites? It's exasperating and time consuming and not always fruitful. If CF were focused on retrieving money from cancelling a paid domain, phooey, would that ever be a misuse of her time.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Curiouser
Is anyone familiar with this address:

francisco design
100 Andover Park West
Suite 150
Tukwila, Washington 98188
United States


According to "Whois" this is the registrant of at least some of their websites (the one's I could remember). I'm assuming it would be Nick (francisco design) but where is that address located? That's not his Publicis office is it?? Maybe he has a "real" office for Francisco Design. You wouldn't have clients coming to an office paying him through PayPal.

Maybe he is living in this office!! [/*]

Probably just a mail box. Lots of people use those for businesses instead of a P.O. Box because it sounds more legitimate.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Probably just a mail box. Lots of people use those for businesses instead of a P.O. Box because it sounds more legitimate. [/*]

Oops, posted too soon. I found it. It's the address for a UPS Store, which indeed would have mailboxes that people can rent and use for their business mail.

[moonlessnite]

Probably just a mail box. Lots of people use those for businesses instead of a P.O. Box because it sounds more legitimate.

That makes sense.

I thought WSB was closed down. I never did get to post over there.

[Silver_Dove]

I keep thinking about the fact that she has never ask for anyone to let her know where her husband's body is or anything close to that so she can have closure or bury him or what ever, even though she keeps saying she believes it is foul play. Instead she keeps saying something along the line of you have to find him or these children won't have a father. If she believes he may have been killed then the kids won't have a father if he is found or not but on the other hand if she knows or suspects that he left her then finding him would be important to the kids having a father.

I have always had a feeling that she knows that he might have just left but instead insists it has to be foul play because that is the only way to get people to look for him and in her mind shame or force him into returning.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by moonlessnite


That makes sense.

I thought WSB was closed down. I never did get to post over there. [/*]

oh, ok -- there were at least a couple people that seemed to know Christine on the WSB that were kind of questioning her actions. Maybe they were people from her church, I'm not sure. Maybe they will come over to this board and share some personal insights too.

[moonlessnite]

I think the foul play angle is essential to the image that he would never leave willingly - to prevent the shame of being left. And maybe to convince herself of it, too.

[carterkatt]

Originally posted by Nellie


It was probably on the long, long thread because it was a few nights ago. It's easy to miss things! That's totally understandable. [/*]

It was last Weds or Thurs, I think. We even joked that not only was N lurking and reading, but was posting.... and teased a few of the "newbies" that they may be HIM! ;)

[flyingfox]

Originally posted by desmom


http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5474521
states she was 7 weeks pregnant on Feb. 18. [/*]

ok, I am new :seeya: and just had to put my two cents in. If CF was due Oct 1 her MP was jan 8th, so for her to tell NF on the 23rd that she was preggers is just not going to hold water. And today 3 March 2008 she would be 8 weeks.

please don't tell me that a pea can move enough for you to feel it, not even pg with babies 5 & 6 (twins) did I feel anything till 14 weeks.

IMO he has left because something awful happened, either emotionally, financially or spiritually. Maybe a combination of all three. If my husband went missing, baby or no baby I would be walking the streets looking for him. Even if I thought he had left me for someone else I would hunt him down and create a new back passage for him. hell hath no fury and all that. The only way I can see myself not hunting for him is if it wasn't safe to do so. As in he might be in greater danger if he was found.
MOO!

[decor]

"Why care what a bunch of strangers across the country think?"

everyone cares what others think. if they don't then they are not human.



If I had known it was this easy to diagnose a mental disorder by others opinions I would have opened a psychiatric clinic a long time ago. I could get a group together and we could get a couple of pages of dialog from the patient and then we can all decide what is wrong with them.

One person states that they know the Fransisco's personally and gives their opinion of their personalities. From there we moved into a diagnosis of her personality. I am not saying this person is wrong, only this is how they viewed them.

People always have different opinions about others. Think about some of the people that you don't like but know that others do like them.

most have decided who and what Christine is but I see little about the fact that Nick may have taken off and left a wife and 2/3 children. whatever he did he isn't taking any responsibility.

of course if something actually happened to him then this is mute but I still think he just left.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Curiouser


They were probably paid for by the year and you couldn't get a refund anyway, so you'd just let them be there until they expired on their own. [/*]

I pay monthly for my website.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by decor
"Why care what a bunch of strangers across the country think?"

everyone cares what others think. if they don't then they are not human.



If I had known it was this easy to diagnose a mental disorder by others opinions I would have opened a psychiatric clinic a long time ago. I could get a group together and we could get a couple of pages of dialog from the patient and then we can all decide what is wrong with them.

One person states that they know the Fransisco's personally and gives their opinion of their personalities. From there we moved into a diagnosis of her personality. I am not saying this person is wrong, only this is how they viewed them.

People always have different opinions about others. Think about some of the people that you don't like but know that others do like them.

most have decided who and what Christine is but I see little about the fact that Nick may have taken off and left a wife and 2/3 children. whatever he did he isn't taking any responsibility.

of course if something actually happened to him then this is mute but I still think he just left. [/*]

I did not diagnose Christine from anything a new poster had to say. Hey, that new poster could be an imposter who never ever knew Christine. This is the internet. Anyone can be anything they want to be.

I have felt that Christine is drama queen who has a tendency to embellish things......just from things she's said herself. It's not a diagnosis. It is a gut feeling/persoanl impression I have of her.

And as far as caring what people say about them...actually in the cases I've followed before, the people did not come on to defend themselves. Beth Smith's husband had people saying all kinds of things about him, including that he had killed her. To my knowledge he didn't go all over the internet defending himself. He knew what the truth was.....she took off......so I guess that was enough for him. This is just highly unusual, to me, for someone to be putting so much effort into setting internet discussion boards straight. JMO

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WOOHOO over here guys - down the hall to the March 4th discussion :seeya: