Discussion - March 3rd. [Archive] - Page 2

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by Musterion
"But if she truly believes he is dead, do you have any thoughts on why she isn't doing everything she possibly can to get his body found? I mean, she will not be able to get him declared legally dead without a body, and I think someone else mentioned a 7-year waiting period. Maybe it is just too overwhelming for her to think about it. I do hope that she is getting some therapy to help her deal with all of this."

I think it was ThruThetrees who asked the above.

We don't know that she isn't doing everything to get his body found. We just know that we aren't hearing what is being done.

Based on the comments about Christine appearing to be wanting money so desperately I would think it in her best interest to not let the public know she is looking for his body for any insurance money that she could claim. [/*]

Musterion - the links were provided on the other long thread where she did ask for money through her sister and friends, then confirmed that she had received a flood of paypal emails. She also said her husband had been less than truthful with her about their debt. If it helps those two beautiful children, frankly I don't care, but the facts are is that she is condoning and accepting people sending her money. I do think that some of that money should go toward upping that reward money. JMO

Danette44

03-03-2008, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Since people are googling the name Nicholas Francisco looking for updates, would that show up on MySpace? Christine has a MySpace - she could put his picture up there in case anyone was browsing through.

n/t - in answer to your question, I think pre-paid minutes are for pre-paid phones, but I could be terriblyyyyyyyyyy wrong about that. [/*]

Thats the first place usually friends and family post flyers at Rainy

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Craigslist for Nicholas.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/vnn/587701049.html [/*]

yes, I previously posted that there was a single ad, posted on Feb 26, on the seattle craigslist, which is the one you sent the link to. My suggestion is it could be posted on other cities and in other categories than just the one. It also helps to re-post every few days to keep it closer to the top.

mc528

03-03-2008, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Christine has put herself in this position where some of us have doubts. This board is for us to voice our opinons and thats all they are. Myself personally, I don't feel she is doing everything in her power to bring her husband and father of her children home! JMOO [/*]

My opinion as well - a lot more could be being done to keep the word out there. And, despite the list of *facts* on her blog, there are still a number of unanswered questions.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I am not being mean, I genuinely feel that there will be a "miscarriage" soon. [/*]

Wow, I certainly hope not. I really find that post quite offensive myself though.

Especially with the quotes around the word miscarriage. Geez.

greeneyez78

03-03-2008, 07:54 PM

Musterion

03-03-2008, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

That's what has been bothering me all along with her - she isn't putting any effort into locating Nicholas - it's like she doesn't want him found! She stated she couldn't function, couldn't leave the couch unless it was for a TV Interview.......well she only did 2 why not anymore? Nancy and Greta are great at follwoing up on cases, but for some reason they are staying away from this one........I even wrote Nancy and Greta and not one word back!

It seems she had more followers when we were on her sites than she now has on the Prayer site, she was getting alot more attention with our opinons than she is now. It doesn't surprise me she is defending herself once again, the story is dying down except for us over here - could the donations be dying down also?

Just a few days ago they mention the donations again.......unbelieveable......Just My Opinon Of Course [/*]

This man has been missing a little longer than Nicholas. His case was mentioned on this forum before. http://bringjohnhome.com/

On the front page of his website, in red, are these words:

John Delatte has been missing since Mardi Gras night. His wife, Melissa, is six months pregnant and has three children. She is a stay-at-home mother whose only source of income was from her husband's job.

Melissa's family is hosting a garage sale to raise money to help with any expenses she has at this time.

Also, any monetary donations will be appreciated.

need2no

03-03-2008, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by seattlematt

No...well.. not without alot of difficulty and porting of numbers (this would show up on cell phone activity records and take weeks). [/*]

Let me see if I understand...it could be done (purchase minutes to put on a cell phone you already own) and the pre paid calls you make or receive would show up on an activity record but it would take weeks to RETRIEVE these records?? But where would the records come from? As I understand it you don't even provide your name when you purchase the cell phone minutes, just give them the number for the cell phone where the minutes will be applied.

What would take weeks?

Then there is the matter of pings...if the previous cell phone carrier could still determine phone use even if the minutes were now pre paid minutes.

Gosh I'm confused, but needtoknow.

bitsy555

03-03-2008, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
thanks bitsy, in some ways ,at least i have closure, if some one was truly missing....and had not left of his/her own accord, it would be very hard to find closure [/*]

Well, I'm truly glad that you do have that.

And yes, it would be very hard to live without ever knowing what happened.

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by seattlematt
I recalled this news story this afternoon... somewhat of a similar story if he indeed just vanished.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291424,00.html [/*]

Thanks for that seattlematt. With MBS.. the police and family came out relatively soon and said that they believed that she left on her own because of abuse at home and a perscription meds problem.

I don't know about you guys.. but I haven't seen any indication that he was losing it or that his life was becoming unmanageable for him. There has been nothing except a statement made second hand to someone about them having money problems. I am a single mom.. raising 4 children on my own.. going to school and working in one of the most expensive places to live in the nation. I have some stories about money problems.. but I would never leave my family because of them.

And.. again, I will say. Christine is welcome to lurk here and even post if she wants to. As far as I am concerned her husband is a victim and so is her and her children. There should not be a lynch mob waiting around every corner.

Danette44

03-03-2008, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
danette44....and a husband...... [/*]

I forgot to put wifes and husbands....

Hippiegirl - I'm so sorry for your lost, that pain will never go away.....remember the good times, he will always have that special place in your heart that, no one will ever take away!!

In Memory Of Your Husband :rose:

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by Beth

Okay fine, I should have put it is MOO. [/*]

Well there ya go Beth. That would make it all better then. :rolleyes:

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by K Anne
Danette, about Nancy and Greta, I don't know; I've rarely received personal response from any news team but it doesn't mean they're not touching the topic you've written them about. It means they're busy creating their news programmes.

Also I think culturally we put forth a really mixed message about what someone in CF's position "should" do. On the one hand, "you're not doing enough" but on the other "get over it." I figure what she's doing is somewhere right down the middle.

I'm glad she cleared up the storage unit item; that one's been bugging me from the start. [/*]

I could not agree more K Anne.

To some on here.. she is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. No matter what she does it will not be right in their eyes and they are just waiting for her to do something else that they can pick apart piece by piece. Like I said.. yesterday.. IMO it says more about them then her.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by K Anne
Danette, about Nancy and Greta, I don't know; I've rarely received personal response from any news team but it doesn't mean they're not touching the topic you've written them about. It means they're busy creating their news programmes.

Also I think culturally we put forth a really mixed message about what someone in CF's position "should" do. On the one hand, "you're not doing enough" but on the other "get over it." I figure what she's doing is somewhere right down the middle.

I'm glad she cleared up the storage unit item; that one's been bugging me from the start. [/*]

Seems we have a lot of new posters here - welcome. Its funny that people can say we don't know how we would act in any given circumstance when people have no idea the circumstances any of us have lived. Its also funny that Christine can vouch 100% of what her husband would and would not do,yet we are all challenged when we speak with conviction as to how we would act. Odd. If people are going to give Christine the benefit of the doubt that she knows without question how her husband would act, I think the posters on here should be given the same consideration when we speak how WE would act or what we would do.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I could not agree more K Anne.

To some on here.. she is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. Nobody what she does it will not be right in their eyes and they are just waiting for her to do something else that they can pick apart piece by piece. Like I said.. yesterday.. IMO it says more about them then her. [/*]

Couldn't have said that better myself. Especially the last sentence. MOO of course. lol

Danette44

03-03-2008, 08:06 PM

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Actually, Greta is pretty good at answering you back [/*]

Yes she is

Danette44

03-03-2008, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I could not agree more K Anne.

To some on here.. she is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. No matter what she does it will not be right in their eyes and they are just waiting for her to do something else that they can pick apart piece by piece. Like I said.. yesterday.. IMO it says more about them then her. [/*]

Wow! Mystry - you sure have change your tone some - but thats ok, you have certainly agreed with alot of us on here......jmoo

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Seems we have a lot of new posters here - welcome. Its funny that people can say we don't know how we would act in any given circumstance when people have no idea the circumstances any of us have lived. Its also funny that Christine can vouch 100% of what her husband would and would not do,yet we are all challenged when we speak with conviction as to how we would act. Odd. If people are going to give Christine the benefit of the doubt that she knows without question how her husband would act, I think the posters on here should be given the same consideration when we speak how WE would act or what we would do. [/*]

I, for one, don't really think any of us know how we would react EXACTLY.. I think that there are many factors that dictate some of it depending on the situation.

I also don't think that Christine is the best judge of whether Nicholas would just up and leave her. She obviously can't take herself out of the equation regarding that. For many of us that have followed these cases.. we know that the family often doesn't know EVERYTHING that a family member will do or has done. Even if someone does wind up being a victim of some crime.. it is almost inevitable that you will find out something you didn't know about your loved one.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Wow! Mystry - you sure have change your tone some - but thats ok, you have certainly agreed with alot of us on here......jmoo [/*]

You think so Danette? I actually thought she has always walked a fine line in the middle and done well with it.

greeneyez78

03-03-2008, 08:11 PM

I think that this says alot, about how worried she was. This is a couple of sentences from her response on the first thread for him over at etsy.

I'm too weak and pregnant to be out . it is unhealthy for me at this time and i need to care for my kids.

I guess since it would be unhealthy for her to be out and searching, it would be really really unhealthy for him if he was sitting in a wrecked vehicle waiting for and depending on his wife to come find him. I really really feel sorry for him.

Along with these responses in the first thread she posted about him missing(this is when they all thought this was a virus link) instead of a missing persons page....(she was wanting help to find him and get the word out), a little anger??

rinnovibodyspa says:
if you can not post something encouraging please do not post. I have two small kids and I'm pregnant. I don't need more to deal with. I just need my husband home.
Posted at 9:59 pm, February 16 2008 EST

rinnovibodyspa says:
will you all shut up about viruses. the link on the front page is not a virus. it is just to help find my husband and that is all. don't read it if you don't want to but shut up about it already. by the way my other store is BELLA STYLE BOUTIQUE for those of you on here that know me that way.
Posted at 10:05 pm, February 16 2008 EST

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Wow! Mystry - you sure have change your tone some - but thats ok, you have certainly agreed with alot of us on here......jmoo [/*]

I actually haven't changed what I think but I don't agree with it being so one sided either. Christine can't be ALL bad. She may be narcissistic. She may be other things too but I have a problem with EVERYTHING she does being wrong. When we start doing that then we have lost our objectivity.. IMO

Musterion

03-03-2008, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Musterion - the links were provided on the other long thread where she did ask for money through her sister and friends, then confirmed that she had received a flood of paypal emails. She also said her husband had been less than truthful with her about their debt. If it helps those two beautiful children, frankly I don't care, but the facts are is that she is condoning and accepting people sending her money. I do think that some of that money should go toward upping that reward money. JMO [/*]

How do we know some did not go to upping the reward?

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl

Just for the record, he was murdered.... [/*]

That's terrible hippiegirl. I genuinely say that my heart goes out to you. I cannot imagine it and hope I never do. I have the utmost compassion for anyone that would have to go through anything like that.

Musterion

03-03-2008, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Because she has stated she did not know where the reward money was coming from. [/*]

Does that mean she didn't, at some point, add to it?

dianaelaine

03-03-2008, 08:19 PM

OK, now I feel REALLY stupid for posting all that about my husband.

Sorry ...

I know this isn't the thread for that, I just had to get it off my chest.

I've looked around and don't see any 'personal' or 'everything' areas, would 'Open Court' be for that?

We should have an area where we can talk of personal stuff and not worry that it's the wrong place to post.

I'm sorry I keep bringing my own stuff in here, it won't happen again.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 08:20 PM

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl

Just for the record, he was murdered.... [/*]

So sorry for your loss hippiegirl. Hopefully justice was served for your husband, you and your families.

:rose: For your husband

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 08:21 PM

mc528

03-03-2008, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

How do we know some did not go to upping the reward? [/*]

Partly because of Christine's own words on 2/23....#11 & #13 below:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=324735&perpage=40&pagenumber=5 (about half-way down the page)

Christine's final post at Etsy (which wasn't really the *final* one)

rinnovibodyspa says:
well it seems that anything i say is getting twisted around and used against me on other blogs. so i am sad to say that i can no longer post on here. Please keep the prayers and hope coming. I will still be reading. love you all so much and thank you all so much for all of your support. your are all appreciated more than you know.

My few last points for those of speculation:
1. i am dieing inside each day my sweet husband is gone. I pray for his safe return to his family. I love my husband with all of my heart. we are intertwined not knowing where one begins and the other one ends.

2. People who know us know for a fact that Nicholas did not run out on us and that is why they are searching for him, and helping support us in all ways possible. that is also why the search started so quickly.

3. No nicholas did not have a girlfriend or a boyfriend. I know this for a fact. I also know that he is not gay (yes some strangers have actually suggested it)

4. yes i am as of today 8 weeks pregnant. you all should understand that this amount of stress and trauma can contribute if not cause a miscarriage in the first trimester. So i need to keep my stress as low as possible at this point (which under the circumstances is nearly impossible).

5. I never asked for money

6. We have bills to pay and I am a stay-at-home mom so without my hubby here (hopefully not long) I still have a mortgage to pay and kids to take care of.

7. The fund account was opened per request of the public no me or my family. People had been asking for days where they could donate funds.

8. I did not hurt my husband nor do i know of his whereabouts.

9. this is not a scam for money. like i said i never asked for money people just started sending because that is the only way they know to help.

10. my shops are closed because i can't really function right now and all of my items are hand made by me and me only. so no it is not possible for me to run my shops at this time.

11. any funds given are used to pay bills and care for my kids. all gifts sent at this time have been for the kids and do lift their spirits.

12. nicholas has two jobs. his main job with publicis and his freelance design business. things have been twisted around about our finances and paypal accounts merely because only the police and my friends and family have the facts. and it really isn't the publics place to know of those facts as that is personal information.

13. I do not know who is putting up the money for the reward. i do know that it is not family. I believe that people are donating to it.

14. As far as i know there are no "rules" on how one in my situation is to respond. At this time it seems that anything i do or say is wrong. If i am sobbing on tv how are you all suppose to understand what i am saying? How will that help bring him home? My kids can't see my sobbing 24 hours a day. they are traumatized enough. I do not enjoy the media attention. I only go on to find my husband. When there is news about him I will resume speaking to the media. Just because i don't breakdown on tv means nothing other than i can pull it together long enough to answer a few questions, just ask everyone (even the media) around me at the interviews and otherwise.

. i fully realize that people who don't know us will take this info and twist it to fit what they want the answers to be.
Posted at 10:20 pm, February 23 2008 EST

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
OK, now I feel REALLY stupid for posting all that about my husband.

Sorry ...

I know this isn't the thread for that, I just had to get it off my chest.

I've looked around and don't see any 'personal' or 'everything' areas, would 'Open Court' be for that?

We should have an area where we can talk of personal stuff and not worry that it's the wrong place to post.

I'm sorry I keep bringing my own stuff in here, it won't happen again. [/*]
Don't worry about it dianaelaine.. I think the majority don't mind but if we get to off topic then CW might come and tell us to get back on. Thank goodness your DH just stopped off and forgot about calling you to let you know. I can imagine your worry after reading on these boards for awhile. Sorry about him getting fired too. That is terrible.

Danette44

03-03-2008, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I actually haven't changed what I think but I don't agree with it being so one sided either. Christine can't be ALL bad. She may be narcissistic. She may be other things too but I have a problem with EVERYTHING she does being wrong. When we start doing that then we have lost our objectivity.. IMO [/*]

Mystry - I don't think alot of us are picking at every little thing, I think of few us or lets just use me thats fair enough - I pretty well stay on the same subject as for her not getting the word out more and yes I do ask about the polygraph - and yes I did complain last night about her writing lyrics down - when she could of been sending posters out online.......

So, if it will make you and Kindra happy I will just keep my opinons to myself.......It's damn if we do or damn if we don't speak our opinons......have a nice evening

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by mc528

Partly because of Christine's own words on 2/23....#11 & #13 below:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=324735&perpage=40&pagenumber=5 (about half-way down the page)

Christine's final post at Etsy (which wasn't really the *final* one)
[/*]

Well since you are rehashing all that, I would just like to reiterate that she is pregnant with two small children and no full time job and a husband missing. Dang, what should she do? Let her house go and be homeless or whatever? Just asking.

omsk99

03-03-2008, 08:26 PM

mc528, thank you for posting this. Very interesting read.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
diana, you are fine, and the only reason i even said anything was in answer to the post, asking if anyone had gone through something like what is going one with C and N [/*]

Hippiegirl - so sorry for your loss - see this is what I'm talking about - nobody knows what any of us have gone through in our life. The other night a poster started her post to me "if you had two small children...." my first thought was HOW does this person know that I don't have two small children to feed?

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 08:30 PM

mc528

03-03-2008, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Well since you are rehashing all that, I would just like to reiterate that she is pregnant with two small children and no full time job and a husband missing. Dang, what should she do? Let her house go and be homeless or whatever? Just asking. [/*]

Certainly not, and I don't believe anyone ever suggested that at all. It just seems very strange that there was such an urgent , desperate, need for $ within days of Nicholas being missing. And by all indications those funds (especially the ones donated by Etsians) were to be used for normal household expenses - all of which would have already been known before Nicholas disappeared. His paychecks would not have stopped on 2/16, and even if they had, they would certainly not be homeless now, less than 3 weeks later. I absolutely understand a concern for the future and well being of her children, but on 2/16 there was absolutely no reason (that was made known) to believe he wasn't going to be found and return home safe and sound. Honestly, that really could still happen - so even now a *desperate* need for $ doesn't make sense either. MOO/JMO

Musterion

03-03-2008, 08:36 PM

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What I find interesting about this is not that she hasn't given any of the money donated directly to her to the reward fund. Something that does not seem suspicious, IMO. But, that most everything else that she says seems to not be believed.

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Mystry - I don't think alot of us are picking at every little thing, I think of few us or lets just use me thats fair enough - I pretty well stay on the same subject as for her not getting the word out more and yes I do ask about the polygraph - and yes I did complain last night about her writing lyrics down - when she could of been sending posters out online.......

So, if it will make you and Kindra happy I will just keep my opinons to myself.......It's damn if we do or damn if we don't speak our opinons......have a nice evening [/*]

Your points were valid Danette and anything I said was not in reference to you.

Here is my problem with the whole thing so you know where I am coming from.. I followed the Mary Beth Smith disappearance last year on this board. I believe that something bad had happened to her and that her husband either did it or had something to do with it. Nothing he did was right in my eyes. If he talked.. it was wrong. If he didn't.. I couldn't understand why. I couldn't figure out why a PASTOR was acting the way that he was. MANY of us on these boards had him tried.. convicted and sentenced.. then I met some of her family.. and I met some of her friends.. all that came here to talk about her disappearance. Noone knew where she was and some wondered if they would ever see her again. I came to care for these people very much. Infact even was a moderator on a seperate board that one of her family member created to talk about the case with out all the bashing that sometimes happens here. Then.. we got word that she was found and that she told authorities that she did not want her family to know where she was and had no intentions of contacting them. She eventually did call them and go home but one of the things that we discussed after that was.. in the future.. would we handle ourselves any different in a similar case. I honestly had to evaluate what I said and thought cause I was COMPLETELY wrong there and people were hurt because of what we had said or did.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by mc528

Certainly not, and I don't believe anyone ever suggested that at all. It just seems very strange that there was such an urgent , desperate, need for $ within days of Nicholas being missing. And by all indications those funds (especially the ones donated by Etsians) were to be used for normal household expenses - all of which would have already been known before Nicholas disappeared. His paychecks would not have stopped on 2/16, and even if they had, they would certainly not be homeless now, less than 3 weeks later. I absolutely understand a concern for the future and well being of her children, but on 2/16 there was absolutely no reason (that was made known) to believe he wasn't going to be found and return home safe and sound. Honestly, that really could still happen - so even now a *desperate* need for $ doesn't make sense either. MOO/JMO [/*]

Well mc, some people shoot from the hip so to speak and think very emotional. However, as I have said time and time again, Christine herself did not post begging for money. From everything I read, people rallied around her and started collecting money.

As far as being too soon and not knowing he was going to be found, well I just go by my on experience with my life, but I know if my husband did not return safely from work one night, I would KNOW something is wrong.

RainyNiteNTx

03-03-2008, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by Musterion
[

What I find interesting about this is not that she hasn't given any of the money donated directly to her to the reward fund. Something that does not seem suspicious, IMO. But, that most everything else that she says seems to not be believed. [/*]

Okay I'm truly laughing out loud - touche'

n/t

03-03-2008, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
it seems to me like this thread was going along fine, everyone respected everyone elses opinions and ideas, maybe all did not agree, but everyone respected....

until............

it was mentioned that C was lurking.....now it seems this thread, as has every one C gets involved in, has a bit of a riff....

i hope everyone will continue to share their thoughts and ideas openly and honestly as we were doing, before we found out we were being "spyed" on....

i have to pretend C is not here, and will continue to say what i think and feel about the case......

C you don't have to defend yourself...here or anywhere...

after all if you have done nothing wrong and are sure N met with foul play, you should not feel you HAVE to defend yourself..

make some lotions...it will take your mind off things

****if you just have to step in, then tell us things we DON"T know...********
quit saying the same "stuff" over and over.... [/*]

Let's try to keep the forum open PLEASE!

Coldwater
Administrator

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OK everyone, things are a just little off topic, a few rumors,
'suggesting' a certain poster is lurking & no one giving proof.

The object of this forum is to help find a missing person,
remember that & stick to that subject or I will close the forum.

If you see any of your posts missing it's because I deleted them for breaking a rule or misposting or misconduct so don't PM me and ask why.

Thank you for your cooperation.

dianaelaine

03-03-2008, 08:49 PM

Hey ... has Matt came in with the photos yet? I THINK I caught up with all the posts, but I might have missed it.

Sure would like to see what he has.

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 08:52 PM

Does anyone know what this means?

Que lindos....adorei vcs....é o cazal de velhinhos mais fofos que ja vi!
O amor é o que importa na vida!Parabens!Bjinhos

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Hey ... has Matt came in with the photos yet? I THINK I caught up with all the posts, but I might have missed it.

Sure would like to see what he has. [/*]

Well according to the blog you guys posted of what Christine said has or has not happened, she said it is not believed he ever made it there. I cannot remember the exact words and we cant post it here anyway but that was the jist of it.

wondering?

03-03-2008, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Hi guys, it's me ... Diana

Oh man, what an ordeal!

OK ... when I hadn't heard from husband for 3 hours after he was suppose to be here, I got in my car and drove to his work, he hadn't been back to pick up his tools ... so I drove to where he had told me he was pumping gas. He wasn't there.

I then looked up and down the main road of the area he would have been in. No van, and I was getting scared.

All this time I had kept calling him on his cell, and no answer.

I called his brother again and his nephew, only 2 places he goes, and he wasn't there.

I went into the large book store he sometimes goes to, thinking he might be taking some time to himself, but he wasn't there .. but I DID finally reach him on the cell!

Do you know what he did????

Right after hanging up from talking to me, and telling me he would pick up subs and come home ... he just changed his mind and went to his nephew's house to talk to his brother, so they could go get his toolbox. His brother was busy working on something there, and they needed his help, so he pitched in and helped.

All this time, his phone was in the van, so he never heard it. I did call the house, but they were outside, so they never heard THAT phone.

He was on his way into work to get the tools, when I called him ... and we met for a sub. When I met him, I asked .. how could you hang up from telling me you were on your way, and just go do something else ... and not ONCE remember that I was waiting, and that you were suppose to come home???

He said he just forgot, never thought of it, and got busy with the guys.

Huh??????

Sorry, but I just don't get how you can hang up from talking to your wife, and go do something else, and not even remember that she is WAITING at home for you.

MEN!

:flamemad: :flamemad:

But he IS safe ... for NOW! [/*]

Diane, this sounds like my hubby, but he wouldn't have called at all, just would have been late.
No matter how many times I tell him to call me, he usually does not.
My heart was pounding looking for your update on your situation.
Thank God you found him.

Now if Nicolas would be found, wouldn't that just make our evening.

For some reason I seem to be so absorbed by this case. They look like such a beautiful family and so active in life and work.

mc528

03-03-2008, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Well mc, some people shoot from the hip so to speak and think very emotional. However, as I have said time and time again, Christine herself did not post begging for money. From everything I read, people rallied around her and started collecting money.

[/*]

You are correct, Christine did not post the first requests for $. That entire situation on Etsy began to take a life of it's own. I was there, and I read every post in every thread as they were unfolding, until it became too bizarre and I stopped visiting the forums there altogether early last week. And the drama there has been quoted and discussed many times here. As someone who was there at the time, I can assure you that there were/are concerns as to why the money wasn't going to the reward fund. I think everyone, both on Etsy, and here truly just wants Nicholas to be found, safe and sound, and some of the donated funds might just help that to happen. And maybe that's indeed what it is going for, but no matter how many times it has been asked, there is never an answer as to how the donated money is being used to help, except for that response in the Etsy thread (that was quoted here on 2/23) MOO

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by mc528

You are correct, Christine did not post the first requests for $. That entire situation on Etsy began to take a life of it's own. I was there, and I read every post in every thread as they were unfolding, until it became too bizarre and I stopped visiting the forums there altogether early last week. And the drama there has been quoted and discussed many times here. As someone who was there at the time, I can assure you that there were/are concerns as to why the money wasn't going to the reward fund. I think everyone, both on Etsy, and here truly just wants Nicholas to be found, safe and sound, and some of the donated funds might just help that to happen. And maybe that's indeed what it is going for, but no matter how many times it has been asked, there is never an answer as to how the donated money is being used to help, except for that response in the Etsy thread (that was quoted here on 2/23) MOO [/*]

Well let me ask a legit question then. WHY would anyone donate to something they were not sure they wanted to or did not know where it was going and then try to dictate how it went afterwards? I mean if I really wanted my money to go just to a reward fund and nothing else, I guess I would have found that out before hand instead of afterwards, or not done it at all.

Personally if it were me, I would not care, one way or the other considering her circumstances. I continued to be baffled by this aspect of the case. MOO of course.

Considering her circumstances, I am baffled that people, out of the goodness of their hearts want to donate to someone in a time of crisis, yet put restrictions on it if it is still (IMO) going to something that is good.

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia
Does anyone know what this means?

Que lindos....adorei vcs....é o cazal de velhinhos mais fofos que ja vi!
O amor é o que importa na vida!Parabens!Bjinhos [/*]

Sorry to quote myself but this message was left 4 days ago here...

http://flickr.com/photos/bellafrancisco/284123432/#comment72157594353233380

Which I probably wouldn't think much about but then there is a post by AmeliaC.. his or hers ONLY post.. on Nicholas' LINKS ONLY page.. and it was to the picture page above. For 14 months nobody left a message then there is that one..

Near as I could get is...

That pretty….adorei vcs….and or cazal of soft velhinhos mais that ja I saw!
Or love and or that concerns na life! Parabens! Bjinhos

could be nothing.. just thought it strange that they only left that one post on here and said nothing.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Still haven't heard back from Greta. Hmmm. Not only does she already know about this case because she had Christine on but she usually jumps at any missing person case. She even had the case of the boy that went missing in my hometown of Scranton, PA last year. He went missing the day of the St. Patrick's Day parade and sadly his body was found in the Lackawanna River in May. They determined it was accidental. I even started a thread here last March. But anyway, Greta often discusses missing people during her "Missing in America" segment. Maybe she is just really busy with political things? I remember emailing Greta during the Scott Peterson trial and she was quick to respond then. [/*]

Hi Sunday Moon,

I'm not surprised that Greta's people haven't replied. While it seems that they jump on every missing person case, I have been trying for months to get her to do a segment on Jaliek Rainwalker.

Don't get me wrong, Greta does a lot for missing people but there are just so many cases out there. I'm sure her people have caught wind of the questions that are involved in Nicholas' disappearance and they might not want to cover it as a result. IMO JMO

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Well let me ask a legit question then. WHY would anyone donate to something they were not sure they wanted to or did not know where it was going and then try to dictate how it went afterwards? I mean if I really wanted my money to go just to a reward fund and nothing else, I guess I would have found that out before hand instead of afterwards, or not done it at all.

Personally if it were me, I would not care, one way or the other considering her circumstances. I continued to be baffled by this aspect of the case. MOO of course.

Considering her circumstances, I am baffled that people, out of the goodness of their hearts want to donate to someone in a time of crisis, yet put restrictions on it if it is still (IMO) going to something that is good. [/*]

That is pretty much how I feel to KindraLore. I have never understood that aspect either.

This has been the topic of converstation on so many boards and it is always the same thing it seems like.. maybe that is why we don't think that much of it.

If you have a problem with where the money may be going then don't donate. It seems as simple as that to me.

n/t

03-03-2008, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia
Does anyone know what this means?

Que lindos....adorei vcs....é o cazal de velhinhos mais fofos que ja vi!
O amor é o que importa na vida!Parabens!Bjinhos [/*]

Que lindos = how pretty/cute

O amor = Oh love

vida = life

What language is it? Some of it is in spanish but I can't make out the rest of it?

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by n/t

Que lindos = how pretty/cute

O amor = Oh love

vida = life

What language is it? Some of it is in spanish but I can't make out the rest of it? [/*]

LOL I have no idea. You are smarter than me.. I didn't get any of it.

I had to put it in my translator and that above was all I got. So, it couldn't even figure it out.

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
this is a link to N's design site.....look at the bottom
the print is very small, the very last line looks like it is in that same language..

http://www.franciscodesign.com/ [/*]

OK.. now that you pointed that out.. I think it is even stranger that message was left like that on the flickr page.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 09:19 PM

n/t

03-03-2008, 09:21 PM

If it's Filipino, I'll ask a coworker to translate it for me tomorrow.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

OK.. now that you pointed that out.. I think it is even stranger that message was left like that on the flickr page. [/*]

Ok, where. I dont see it. lol

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

If Nicholas doesn't come home she should put her kids in daycare and go get a job. That's what the rest of the world has to do. You do what you have to do to get by, that doesn't mean freeloading. IMO JMO [/*]

Freeloading? Dang thats a pretty harsh word. Her husband is missing and at this point I will bite my tongue.

field of snow

03-03-2008, 09:27 PM

I believe it is Portuguese.

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Ok, where. I dont see it. lol [/*]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia
Does anyone know what this means?

Que lindos....adorei vcs....é o cazal de velhinhos mais fofos que ja vi!
O amor é o que importa na vida!Parabens!Bjinhos [/*]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sorry to quote myself but this message was left 4 days ago here...

http://flickr.com/photos/bellafranc...157594353233380

Which I probably wouldn't think much about but then there is a post by AmeliaC.. his or hers ONLY post.. on Nicholas' LINKS ONLY page.. and it was to the picture page above. For 14 months nobody left a message then there is that one..

Near as I could get is...

That pretty….adorei vcs….and or cazal of soft velhinhos mais that ja I saw!
Or love and or that concerns na life! Parabens! Bjinhos

could be nothing.. just thought it strange that they only left that one post on here and said nothing.

__________________

huskiki

03-03-2008, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Freeloading? Dang thats a pretty harsh word. Her husband is missing and at this point I will bite my tongue. [/*]

Sorry, it's the first word that came to mind. There are so many people who freeload off the system, which is what I meant, in part. IMO JMO She is taking advantage of the situation.

n/t

03-03-2008, 09:29 PM

The words on his website are not Filipino. I think it's Latin.

http://www.stars21.com/translator/english_to_filipino.html

:confused:

Not sure if it saved it here but type in the phrase and select latin to english.

kpb

03-03-2008, 09:30 PM

It looks like the person who posted that comment 4 days ago lives in Brazil.... so would that be Spanish?

Shimz

03-03-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by kpb
It looks like the person who posted that comment 4 days ago lives in Brazil.... so would that be Spanish? [/*]

I was just going to say.. it is probably portugese... this is what i could get

How pretty I adored vcs is the cazal of velhinhos more photos that ja vi the love is what it matters in the life! Parabens! Bjinhos

i think the fofos was misspelled, maybe the rest is slang

n/t

03-03-2008, 09:32 PM

Lorem Ipsum.

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:VVyrwHx9yhEJ:www.lipsum.com/+Lorem+ipsum+dolor+sit+amet,+consectetuer+adipisci ng+elit&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

kpb

03-03-2008, 09:32 PM

Bjinhos...

From the pictures, is this the dog's name? :shrug:

field of snow

03-03-2008, 09:33 PM

invisible check....?

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by kpb
It looks like the person who posted that comment 4 days ago lives in Brazil.... so would that be Spanish? [/*]

I am terrible at this stuff... numbers are my thing..

The person the posted it.. sure seems legit.. but I have to wonder why AmeliaC decided to leave only that one link to that picture on here? That is the part that was making me go hmm.

Then to find out out that there own website has a similar language on it.. is interesting.

kpb

03-03-2008, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
this is way outside the box....

maybe N is in Brazil [/*]

Hehe, I was thinking the same thing! :lol:

huskiki

03-03-2008, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by n/t
Lorem Ipsum.

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:VVyrwHx9yhEJ:www.lipsum.com/+Lorem+ipsum+dolor+sit+amet,+consectetuer+adipisci ng+elit&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1 [/*]

Hi n/t :seeya:

This looks familiar, I think we looked into this a few days back. I thought it was a coding language. :shrug:

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Sorry, it's the first word that came to mind. There are so many people who freeload off the system, which is what I meant, in part. IMO JMO She is taking advantage of the situation. [/*]

Usually I bypass these sort of posts because it would only get me in trouble to say what I REALLY feel, but this woman has done nothing wrong. Even MOST of you had said that she had nothing to do with Nick's disappearance. Her husband is MISSING and its only been a few weeks.

Dang, push her out there and get working at the local grocery store. WTF? She is pregnant despite quotations around the word miscarriage that someone on this board decided would be a great hoot. What more do you want from this woman?

n/t

03-03-2008, 09:36 PM

:confused:

Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit..."
"There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain..."

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:VVyrwHx9yhEJ:www.lipsum.com/+Lorem+ipsum+dolor+sit+amet,+consectetuer+adipisci ng+elit&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1

desmom

03-03-2008, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by need2no
Can you purchase a pre paid phone card and have those minutes allotted to your current phone (which had previously been under a regular carrier plan), and if so is....is there anyway for LE to track incoming and outgoing calls in this pre paid situation?

I hope this makes sense.

Let me put it this way. Suppose I cancelled my current cell phone service (or didn't pay the bill and they cancelled my service), could I purchase a pre paid card with phone minutes and have them allotted to my cell phone? If so, would there be any record of my incoming and outgoing phone calls anywhere? [/*]

I didn't know the answer and after googling, I am not sure I still know the answer. LOL!

He had a T mobile phone. T mobile does have a prepaid minute option. He would have to cancel his contract with T mobile (and pay cancelation fees) before he could do pre-pay (I think.)

jmo

n/t

03-03-2008, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I am terrible at this stuff... numbers are my thing..

The person the posted it.. sure seems legit.. but I have to wonder why AmeliaC decided to leave only that one link to that picture on here? That is the part that was making me go hmm.

Then to find out out that there own website has a similar language on it.. is interesting. [/*]

It's not the same language Mystry.

n/t

03-03-2008, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hi n/t :seeya:

This looks familiar, I think we looked into this a few days back. I thought it was a coding language. :shrug: [/*]

Odd. Never heard of this language before.

Ahhhh the stuff we learn on these message boards. :D

Nellie

03-03-2008, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Well since you are rehashing all that, I would just like to reiterate that she is pregnant with two small children and no full time job and a husband missing. Dang, what should she do? Let her house go and be homeless or whatever? Just asking. [/*]

*Look to her family. friends, church family for help...
*Look to public assistance as others do....
*Call her mortgage company, utilities, credit card companies and let them know what is going on and ask them to work with her.
*Keep her only source of income open
*Look around the house and see what she can sell

Christine is not the first person to be left alone.
Many women do survive without funds being set up for them.

I'm not trying to be cruel...the fund raising so soon just really bothered me. Were all of her bills due on the day after he went missing? :shrug: Were they ready to foreclose on their house the day after he went missing? Were all of her utitlies ready to be cut off the day after he went missing? Were her fridge and cabinet suddenly empty the day after he went missing? Man,what would she have done if he had left and called and told her "I'm safe but I just can't take it anymore. I want out of our marriage?". Turned to the internet of strangers to support her? Or does that only work if your husband is missing? Because I know many women have their husbands take off and no funds are set up for them. It was just too much too soon and she allowed it.

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

If Nicholas doesn't come home she should put her kids in daycare and go get a job. That's what the rest of the world has to do. You do what you have to do to get by, that doesn't mean freeloading. IMO JMO [/*]

I don't know this family any more that you do. I do not know what happened to Nicholas.

I do know that your comments exude contempt that she is not on someone's payroll less than a month from Nicholas disappearing.

That seems like an attitude unrelated to these circumstances.

Let's focus on Nicholas and not what kind of person you wish Christine to be.

n/t

03-03-2008, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by Envision

So it's basically a coded sort of message in Latin? [/*]

I think so.

Lorem Ipsum is simply dummy text of the printing and typesetting industry

Lorem Ipsum comes from sections 1.10.32 and 1.10.33 of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum" (The Extremes of Good and Evil) by Cicero, written in 45 BC. This book is a treatise on the theory of ethics, very popular during the Renaissance. The first line of Lorem Ipsum, "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet..", comes from a line in section 1.10.32.

:shrug:

huskiki

03-03-2008, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Usually I bypass these sort of posts because it would only get me in trouble to say what I REALLY feel, but this woman has done nothing wrong. Even MOST of you had said that she had nothing to do with Nick's disappearance. Her husband is MISSING and its only been a few weeks.

Dang, push her out there and get working at the local grocery store. WTF? She is pregnant despite quotations around the word miscarriage that someone on this board decided would be a great hoot. What more do you want from this woman? [/*]

You asked what is she to do and I offered a solution. I wasn't suggesting that she goes out tomorrow or next week and find a job. She is a very talented woman so finding a job wouldn't even be an issue. I never said that she had anything to do with his disappearance, never. Yes her husband is missing and while it's only been a couple of weeks she seems to think that he is never coming back. AND I never said anything about a miscarriage.

My opinion has been and will be, unless proven otherwise, that Nicholas left on his own. I think that Christine saw that he drained their funds and she's in shock right now. If Christine, her family or Nicholas' family feel that he met with foul play then they should be doing interviews, hanging more posters and searching. If they are doing this then they should call the media when they do so more awareness is brought to this case.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by Beth
They were my quotes and I didn't say that because I thought it was a "hoot". I'm merely speculating that perhaps she isn't pregnant.
That's still allowed, right? [/*]

Well Beth. Anything is allowed I guess. Only YOUR guess has a time limit on it and either it will or will not be. BUT now I see that if all this stress did cause her to miscarry, no one here would ever believe her unless you saw her medical records. lol

huskiki

03-03-2008, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Envision

So it's basically a coded sort of message in Latin? [/*]

That's how I read it but who knows. It does look like Latin.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

You asked what is she to do and I offered a solution. I wasn't suggesting that she goes out tomorrow or next week and find a job. She is a very talented woman so finding a job wouldn't even be an issue. I never said that she had anything to do with his disappearance, never. Yes her husband is missing and while it's only been a couple of weeks she seems to think that he is never coming back. AND I never said anything about a miscarriage.

My opinion has been and will be, unless proven otherwise, that Nicholas left on his own. I think that Christine saw that he drained their funds and she's in shock right now. If Christine, her family or Nicholas' family feel that he met with foul play then they should be doing interviews, hanging more posters and searching. If they are doing this then they should call the media when they do so more awareness is brought to this case. [/*]

I understand ya huskiki. Glad you would be able to go out and get a job and all that. Some people however might just be devastated.

Shimz

03-03-2008, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by Envision

I know some Italian, Spanish, French and a few words in Latin. I knew what some words were but with the flickr post, it seemed like a jumble of several languages. I am not savvy with Brazilian Spanish though if that was indeed what it was. [/*]

They speak portugese in Brazil, not spanish

huskiki

03-03-2008, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

I understand ya huskiki. Glad you would be able to go out and get a job and all that. Some people however might just be devastated. [/*]

Unless a person has a ton on money in the bank, I don't see how they could not get a job. In life you have to move on, eventually. Hopefully Nicholas will return and all will be well.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Actually, Greta is pretty good at answering you back [/*]

I wrote her a couple of days before the other poster and still have heard nothing from her. I just asked if she had any update on this story. Nothing and it's been about a week.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Unless a person has a ton on money in the bank, I don't see how they could not get a job. In life you have to move on, eventually. Hopefully Nicholas will return and all will be well. [/*]

I guess the key word there is eventually. Move on? Man, time goes fast in three weeks. lol

Musterion

03-03-2008, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Sorry, it's the first word that came to mind. There are so many people who freeload off the system, which is what I meant, in part. IMO JMO She is taking advantage of the situation. [/*]

Taking advantage of the system by feeding her children, providing for their needs doesn't seem to be taking advantage of the situation.

Being able bodied, able minded and not working while receiving Government aid and buying alcohol and cigarettes and drugs, to me that is taking advantage of the system.

Receiving donations and trying to get through a crisis doesn't seem to equate with taking advantage of a sitution. IMO.

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 09:53 PM

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 09:53 PM

huskiki

03-03-2008, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Taking advantage of the system by feeding her children, providing for their needs doesn't seem to be taking advantage of the situation.

Being able bodied, able minded and not working while receiving Government aid and buying alcohol and cigarettes and drugs, to me that is taking advantage of the system.

Receiving donations and trying to get through a crisis doesn't seem to equate with taking advantage of a sitution. IMO. [/*]

You're right Musterion. But there are also people out there who are able bodied but not willing to work for whatever reason. I'm just saying that they're out there.

Receiving donations a day after a husband goes missing is a bit strange. Look through the previous thread, I'm not the only one with this opinion.

huskiki

03-03-2008, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by Hubbard

What do you mean by "he drained their funds"? [/*]

She looked at the paypal and saw money missing. This is IMO JMO, which I stated.

Those of you who just hopped on to this board should go read the 60+ pages in the previous forum. You act as if this is the first time people have questioned finances. IMO JMO

huskiki

03-03-2008, 09:58 PM

Sorry this was a double post.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 10:01 PM

huskiki

03-03-2008, 10:02 PM

Putting our differences on Christine aside. What more do we know about Nicholas? Any more sightings? Any activity on credit cards that we're not sure if he had on him?

Musterion

03-03-2008, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

You always say it so much better than me. ;) [/*]

Oh no I don't!!!

Shimz

03-03-2008, 10:10 PM

I know everyone has probably moved on from the quote on the picture but i have been working hard and here is what i have lol

That pretty….I adored vcs….it is the cazal of old photos that I've seen!
love is what matters in life! congrats! Kisses

Maranatha

03-03-2008, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
snipped from original post

she did NOT just tell everyone to "shut up"? did i read that right.....

C.... if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!!!!!!!!!!!
But DON'T tell people to "shut up". [/*]

Ummm, I believe she's standing in a lot of heat. Maybe you could kick in a senstivity gene or something. In all respect.

I just can't imagine being in the situation she's found herself. Now I'll continue to catch up on this thread.

Praying for the Franciscos.

field of snow

03-03-2008, 10:13 PM

6. His car ran off the road, where it cannot be seen from the road.

His other (mystery) car? Because his red car has been found...

Shimz

03-03-2008, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl

hmm. that is on the flickr site
does anyone have the link, please and thank you [/*]

http://flickr.com/photos/bellafranc...157594353233380

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i forgot one.....

5. He took his own life...not the most pleasant one to think about

6. His car ran off the road, where it cannot be seen from the road. [/*]

What car are you referring to? His car was found back on Feb. 18 in Federal Way, about 20 minutes from his home, in a condo parking lot.

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i forgot one.....

5. He took his own life...not the most pleasant one to think about

6. His car ran off the road, where it cannot be seen from the road. [/*]

Well, if his car ran off the road where it couldn't be seen, evidently someone did see it, hauled it out of there and parked it in that condo parking lot! Unless you're saying he had a second car, in which case he must have been planning to run off then.

desmom

03-03-2008, 10:19 PM

One thing I learned back following the Cody Posey trial is sometimes you just have to agree to disagree.

I wonder if Nicholas and Christine have any type of insurance on their mortgage.

When hubby and I bought our house many moons ago, I was 7 months pregnant. Our lawyer (private sale) strongly urged us to purchase a mortgage insurance policy. In the event something happened to hubby (main bread winner) i.e. lost his job, was injured, disabled.....the insurance would cover our payments (not the escrow portion) for up to 12 months. In the event of his death, the house would have been paid in full. The premiums were included in our monthly payment - a couple $$ a month.
Do they still have these type of policies? :shrug:

If Nicholas and Christine have the same type of policy, it may make her mortgage payments.

jmo

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i forgot one.....

5. He took his own life...not the most pleasant one to think about

[/*]

Having lived in Indiana and now in Florida and never travelling west of the Mississippi, I'm not familiar with Seattle. Are there places there where he could have jumped into a lake or something to perhaps drown and float away or whatever at the same time? It seems like if he had shot himself of slit his wrists or taken pills, whatever, his body would've been found by now since they've been searching those areas.

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

She looked at the paypal and saw money missing. This is IMO JMO, which I stated.

Those of you who just hopped on to this board should go read the 60+ pages in the previous forum. You act as if this is the first time people have questioned finances. IMO JMO [/*]

Can you provide a source that indicated Nicholas drained that PayPal account?

desmom

03-03-2008, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by Shimz
I know everyone has probably moved on from the quote on the picture but i have been working hard and here is what i have lol

That pretty….I adored vcs….it is the cazal of old photos that I've seen!
love is what matters in life! congrats! Kisses [/*]

Thanks.

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by Hubbard

Can you provide a source that indicated Nicholas drained that PayPal account? [/*]

Actually, I believe CF said in her latest blog posting, that he hadn't drained the account or taken any money but rather just had not earned as much as she was expecting. I suppose this would have been money he would have earned with his online design site.

However, she earlier said something about after looking at the PayPal account, she realized her sweet husband had been shielding her from their debt. Doesn't quite sound like the same thing does it?

Shimz

03-03-2008, 10:26 PM

your welcome!

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by desmom
One thing I learned back following the Cody Posey trial is sometimes you just have to agree to disagree.

I wonder if Nicholas and Christine have any type of insurance on their mortgage.

When hubby and I bought our house many moons ago, I was 7 months pregnant. Our lawyer (private sale) strongly urged us to purchase a mortgage insurance policy. In the event something happened to hubby (main bread winner) i.e. lost his job, was injured, disabled.....the insurance would cover our payments (not the escrow portion) for up to 12 months. In the event of his death, the house would have been paid in full. The premiums were included in our monthly payment - a couple $$ a month.
Do they still have these type of policies? :shrug:

If Nicholas and Christine have the same type of policy, it may make her mortgage payments.

jmo [/*]

Hmmm I guess the operative word there would be DEATH. I dont think you get too much of anything with a "missing" hubby.

K Anne

03-03-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

If Nicholas doesn't come home she should put her kids in daycare and go get a job. That's what the rest of the world has to do. You do what you have to do to get by, that doesn't mean freeloading. IMO JMO [/*]

This is what I meant by the mixed messages we give as a general culture. On the one hand some say you're not doing enough to find this person; on the other hand, pretty much, "get over it".

If Nicholas is gone because of foul play, do you really expect a mother of two to put her young kids in someone else's care for *any* reason? Especially while the facts are still unknown, I think that goes against maternal instinct.

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Curiouser

Actually, I believe CF said in her latest blog posting, that he hadn't drained the account or taken any money but rather just had not earned as much as she was expecting. I suppose this would have been money he would have earned with his online design site.

However, she earlier said something about after looking at the PayPal account, she realized her sweet husband had been shielding her from their debt. Doesn't quite sound like the same thing does it? [/*]

It sounds like she expected more money to be there from his online business. It sounds like that bsiness was not as successful as she thought.

I have not seen a reliable source that says he drained the PayPal account.

K Anne

03-03-2008, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Curiouser

Having lived in Indiana and now in Florida and never travelling west of the Mississippi, I'm not familiar with Seattle. Are there places there where he could have jumped into a lake or something to perhaps drown and float away or whatever at the same time? It seems like if he had shot himself of slit his wrists or taken pills, whatever, his body would've been found by now since they've been searching those areas. [/*]

Curiouser, see Google maps for confirmation, but :( Seattle has LOTS of water.

I want to say, remember it took a pretty long time for Laci Peterson's body to turn up -- but I don't remember how long it took. Maybe it was only a few weeks.

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Envision

I don't think huskiki meant in the immediate. I think she meant sometime in the future. [/*]

Why would she assume that Christine would not work?

bitsy555

03-03-2008, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
it's not like N ran around alot, he went to work, he went home, he maybe stopped by the store a couple nights a week.....that's the picture that has been painted of him....

there are not that many options to choose from....

i am not convienced that there is a lot we don't know about his family life

if ever there was a time to open the closets, now is the time....maybe LE has some info that we don't have [/*]

This is what I think...He left work, didn't stop at the store and didn't plan to go home. Why his car ended up where it did...I'm not sure. He might have met someone there and took off with that person. The thing that makes me doubt this is....him leaving two children and one on the way. From what I perceive...I find this hard to accept. I just don't see him running out on his kids. But we have seen it before.

And we all thought Scott and Laci had the perfect marriage at the beginning and look how that turned out. And I'm not comparing C & N to Scott and Laci at all. I'm just saying it takes time for things to show up in these cases.

JMO

Nellie

03-03-2008, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Curiouser

Actually, I believe CF said in her latest blog posting, that he hadn't drained the account or taken any money but rather just had not earned as much as she was expecting. I suppose this would have been money he would have earned with his online design site.

However, she earlier said something about after looking at the PayPal account, she realized her sweet husband had been shielding her from their debt. Doesn't quite sound like the same thing does it? [/*]

Huh? Where did she say that? Can you give us that link, as I'd be most interested in seeing it. Thanks!

HarlettOhara

03-03-2008, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

You're right Musterion. But there are also people out there who are able bodied but not willing to work for whatever reason. I'm just saying that they're out there.

Receiving donations a day after a husband goes missing is a bit strange. Look through the previous thread, I'm not the only one with this opinion. [/*]

About the donations... It's not so strange really. When a poster here, SJB, sister went missing many of us suggested donating money almost as soon as we learned of it. Same with Naomi Arnette, she left 7 children behind and many donated whatever they could.. money, clothing etc.. I have never heard of anyone asking/questioning what the money went for. I could list many more that the same thing happened with donations beginning almost immediately. It's almost become the norm, when someone goes missing a fund is set up for them by family or friends.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by Hubbard

It sounds like she expected more money to be there from his online business. It sounds like that bsiness was not as successful as she thought.

I have not seen a reliable source that says he drained the PayPal account. [/*]

I'd really like to see that quote, as that is totally not the same as saying her husband shielded her from debt and she found it out by looking at his Pay Pal account.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by bitsy555

This is what I think...He left work, didn't stop at the store and didn't plan to go home. Why his car ended up where it did...I'm not sure. He might have met someone there and took off with that person. The thing that makes me doubt this is....him leaving two children and one on the way. From what I perceive...I find this hard to accept. I just don't see him running out on his kids. But we have seen it before.

And we all thought Scott and Laci had the perfect marriage at the beginning and look how that turned out. And I'm not comparing C & N to Scott and Laci at all. I'm just saying it takes time for things to show up in these cases.

JMO [/*]

To me (MOO of course) your whole post is confusing. You state you think he ran off with someone else, then you say it hard to believe he left his children.

Then you mention Scott and Laci and then you say you are not comparing them with this case.

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Huh? Where did she say that? Can you give us that link, as I'd be most interested in seeing it. Thanks! [/*]

http://thefranciscos.com/

There you go.

bitsy555

03-03-2008, 10:44 PM

Nellie

03-03-2008, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

About the donations... It's not so strange really. When a poster here, SJB, sister went missing many of us suggested donating money almost as soon as we learned of it. Same with Naomi Arnette, she left 7 children behind and many donated whatever they could.. money, clothing etc.. I have never heard of anyone asking/questioning what the money went for. I could list many more that the same thing happened with donations beginning almost immediately. It's almost become the norm, when someone goes missing a fund is set up for them by family or friends. [/*]

Shall we set up a fund for Drew Peterson? He has some children to raise.

I'm not so sure it's the norm to immediately set up a fund to catch up their bills. But, yes, I can see that funds may be set up a little down the road....not immediately....not when it's unknown whether he'll be back in a few days or not.

Who was Naomi Arnette? Did she go missing or die?

K Anne

03-03-2008, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

To me (MOO of course) your whole post is confusing. You state you think he ran off with someone else, then you say it hard to believe he left his children.

Then you mention Scott and Laci and then you say you are not comparing them with this case. [/*]

KindraLore, I mentioned Scott and Laci a few posts earlier in connection to a question about areas of water around Seattle and the possibility of a drowning. The above post makes sense to me in that context; sorry to confuse the issue!

mc528

03-03-2008, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I'd really like to see that quote, as that is totally not the same as saying her husband shielded her from debt and she found it out by looking at his Pay Pal account. [/*]

Is this the quote you are looking for....it is today's post on CF's blog, by her:
http://thefranciscos.com/

HarlettOhara

03-03-2008, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by Curiouser

Actually, I believe CF said in her latest blog posting, that he hadn't drained the account or taken any money but rather just had not earned as much as she was expecting. I suppose this would have been money he would have earned with his online design site.

However, she earlier said something about after looking at the PayPal account, she realized her sweet husband had been shielding her from their debt. Doesn't quite sound like the same thing does it? [/*]

You can look at it to mean that he did not tell her there wasn't enough money to cover their bills, thus shielding her from their debt.

bitsy555

03-03-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Whether I agreed with it or not, Bitsy, I understood it. :) [/*]

Thank you Beth :)

I'm to tired to explain. And I guess to tired to be posting.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

KindraLore, I mentioned Scott and Laci a few posts earlier in connection to a question about areas of water around Seattle and the possibility of a drowning. The above post makes sense to me in that context; sorry to confuse the issue! [/*]

Well sorry to be the confuser! lol

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

You can look at it to mean that he did not tell her there wasn't enough money to cover their bills, thus shielding her from their debt. [/*]

Ok I know you guys have posted it a mil times but what exactly did she say about the paypal thing. I cannot remember.

K Anne

03-03-2008, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Shall we set up a fund for Drew Peterson? He has some children to raise.

I'm not so sure it's the norm to immediately set up a fund to catch up their bills. But, yes, I can see that funds may be set up a little down the road....not immediately....not when it's unknown whether he'll be back in a few days or not.

Who was Naomi Arnette? Did she go missing or die? [/*]

Are you talking about a fund separate from the donations that came through Etsy?

truecrimejunkie

03-03-2008, 10:50 PM

HarlettOhara

03-03-2008, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Shall we set up a fund for Drew Peterson? He has some children to raise.

I'm not so sure it's the norm to immediately set up a fund to catch up their bills. But, yes, I can see that funds may be set up a little down the road....not immediately....not when it's unknown whether he'll be back in a few days or not.

Who was Naomi Arnette? Did she go missing or die? [/*]

We are too late for that, he already did a while back. They received quite a bit of money from it.. enough to cover his legal fees.

ETA... Naomi Arnette was a mother of 7 that went missing... her body was found a few months later, she had been strangled.

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Ok I know you guys have posted it a mil times but what exactly did she say about the paypal thing. I cannot remember. [/*]

We're not supposed to post exact quotes without the quoter's permission so I guess you'll have to go look at it yourself. Its about the 13th point CF made on the top blog on this site:

http://www.thefranciscos.com

To paraphrase, the paypal acct. is his business acct., no money missing, she just thought he earned more than he did.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by Hubbard

http://thefranciscos.com/

There you go. [/*]

Thank you. I had not seen that.
That is so totally different than what she originally posted about Pay Pal. That concerns me.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie

did you SERIOUSLY just compare drew peterson to christine???? [/*]

No, I seriously did not. I know most think he has killed two women, but there's no evidence of it as far as I know.
So, the comparison was that he was a parent with two children to raise and a missing wife and maybe a fund could be set up to help him out.

I've said all along that I don't think Christine did anything to Nicholas, so I won't be drawn into that.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by Envision
First she said her "sweet husband" had shielded her from debt (in etsy) and then stated (on her Francisco Family website) there just wasn't as much money in his paypal as she thought there'd be from his business. [/*]

OK. I know I am the meanie on the playground here, but please do tell why a lot of you post quotes around "sweet husband"? Do you not think he was a sweet husband? Is there some deal I dont realize? Because from all I have read and seen he really WAS a sweet husband.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Are you talking about a fund separate from the donations that came through Etsy? [/*]

I don't know. How many funds are set up for them?

abstr

03-03-2008, 10:58 PM

I am so sorry. I have been through tragedy but the idea of a human taking anothers life is just unimaginable.
God Bless You.
Originally posted by hippiegirl

Just for the record, he was murdered.... [/*]

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

OK. I know I am the meanie on the playground here, but please do tell why a lot of you post quotes around "sweet husband"? Do you not think he was a sweet husband? Is there some deal I dont realize? Because from all I have read and seen he really WAS a sweet husband. [/*]

Honestly, I don't know people who really talk that way.
Even people deeply in love and in a good relationship don't go around saying "my sweet husband" or "my beloved husband" after being married for 7 years. I think that's why the reaction is the way it is...it sounds so fakey. JMO, and I really haven't said anything about it up until now.

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Thank you. I had not seen that.
That is so totally different than what she originally posted about Pay Pal. That concerns me. [/*]

What is the source for the original quote?

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Honestly, I don't know people who really talk that way.
Even people deeply in love and in a good relationship don't go around saying "my sweet husband" or "my beloved husband" after being married for 7 years. I think that's why the reaction is the way it is...it sounds so fakey. JMO, and I really haven't said anything about it up until now. [/*]

Dang. I guess that I am weird then because I have been married more than that and my hubby IS really a sweet husband. That's a bit jaded don't cha think? Just sayin'.

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I don't know. How many funds are set up for them? [/*]

I've seen the Etsy people posting their donation request on a knitting site (don't remember the site's name) and on a place called needy or greedy, something like that, where you make a wish and the other posters vote on your wish and if you win you get $100 or so (the wish was for money for CF I believe). Also I think donations were mentioned in reference to the vigils that NF's sisters were having. I assume they all go to the same account but I didn't think that was really what you were asking was it?

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

You can look at it to mean that he did not tell her there wasn't enough money to cover their bills, thus shielding her from their debt. [/*]

It could be twisted that way, but it's not the way it was originally said. It was originally said that he had shielded her from their debt. It was not said that he had shielded her from poor sales or lack of funds in his Pay Pal. I take it as it was said. No money in Pay Pal would not tell her what their debt was.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by Curiouser

I've seen the Etsy people posting their donation request on a knitting site (don't remember the site's name) and on a place called needy or greedy, something like that, where you make a wish and the other posters vote on your wish and if you win you get $100 or so (the wish was for money for CF I believe). Also I think donations were mentioned in reference to the vigils that NF's sisters were having. I assume they all go to the same account but I didn't think that was really what you were asking was it? [/*]

I'm not sure now. LOL! Must not have been important.
I would count the Pay Pal donations separate from the fund set up at the bank though, because they are two different accounts.

I never heard about the needy/greedy one.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Dang. I guess that I am weird then because I have been married more than that and my hubby IS really a sweet husband. That's a bit jaded don't cha think? Just sayin'. [/*]

I didn't say he wasn't sweet. So is mine!
But I certainly don't have to go around telling people he is.

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

OK. I know I am the meanie on the playground here, but please do tell why a lot of you post quotes around "sweet husband"? Do you not think he was a sweet husband? Is there some deal I dont realize? Because from all I have read and seen he really WAS a sweet husband. [/*]

I guess for me, the idea of using "sweet husband" in reference to someone who has been "shielding me from debt" seemed incongruous. She has described their relationship as being so close as to not know where one of them ends and the other begins. I think for two people as close as she describes, for one to keep secrets from the other, isn't so "sweet". JMO.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 11:08 PM

Well goodnite good people. Its too late for mwah.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by Hubbard

What is the source for the original quote? [/*]

A post Christine made at Esty....

abstr

03-03-2008, 11:11 PM

I am behind so this may have been answered. I think I read elsewhere that these are related to print ads....not sure exactly but used often in the marketing/print ad world in place of the future text.....I don't have a link and apologize if that is wrong. I believe the roots are LatinOriginally posted by MystryPhobia
Does anyone know what this means?

Que lindos....adorei vcs....é o cazal de velhinhos mais fofos que ja vi!
O amor é o que importa na vida!Parabens!Bjinhos [/*]

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I'm not sure now. LOL! Must not have been important.
I would count the Pay Pal donations separate from the fund set up at the bank though, because they are two different accounts.

I never heard about the needy/greedy one. [/*]

Here is the address to the site: http://www.greedyorneedy.com/cast-your-votes/wish/id/19677 which I got from www.supportingchristine.wordpress.com

She was also on there this afternoon telling people to go to www.thefranciscos.com for the facts on the case.

Musterion

03-03-2008, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

You're right Musterion. But there are also people out there who are able bodied but not willing to work for whatever reason. I'm just saying that they're out there.

Receiving donations a day after a husband goes missing is a bit strange. Look through the previous thread, I'm not the only one with this opinion. [/*]

My thoughts are why do so many people seem to neglect the context of events and circumstances in this case. Context is important when stating an opinion. Without it anything can be painted sinister and suspect.

John Delatte's family's website, on the opening page in bold red type, specifically asks for donations to help his wife with her expenses. And the next paragraph specifically says monetary donations are appreciated. He went missing 5 February. The plea was 21 February. Sixteen days after John went missing. It appears that financial help was asked for before these postings.

Maybe it would be helpful for some research to be done into other cases and how quickly donations came into play before opinions are expressed? Would that not be fair?

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Envision
Needy or Greedy sounds almost like a lottery. Instead of numbers though you get votes to see whether or not your situation is more catastrophic than the next. Another sort of sick thought if you ask me. [/*]

That's just a gross concept.
Like...I bet my tragedy is worse than your tragedy!
Ick!

K Anne

03-03-2008, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Curiouser

She was also on there this afternoon telling people to go to www.thefranciscos.com for the facts on the case. [/*]

Well, as opposed to coming *here* for the facts on the case. Which none of us really have.

KindraLore

03-03-2008, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I didn't say he wasn't sweet. So is mine!
But I certainly don't have to go around telling people he is. [/*]

I guess you would if yours and his character was at stake!

Just sayin. ;)

Okay I am really off to bed. Feel free to talk amongst yourselves. lol

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Dang. I guess that I am weird then because I have been married more than that and my hubby IS really a sweet husband. That's a bit jaded don't cha think? Just sayin'. [/*]

But do you actually go around saying to people, my sweet husband did this or that?

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Envision

Why does it matter? She has her opinion as you have your own. It doesn't make either person's comments "babble". [/*]

In what context was it said?

abstr

03-03-2008, 11:17 PM

in brazil it's mostly portuguese. it's not so far off from spanish in sound though.
Originally posted by kpb
It looks like the person who posted that comment 4 days ago lives in Brazil.... so would that be Spanish? [/*]

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

My thoughts are why do so many people seem to neglect the context of events and circumstances in this case. Context is important when stating an opinion. Without it anything can be painted sinister and suspect.

John Delatte's family's website, on the opening page in bold red type, specifically asks for donations to help his wife with her expenses. And the next paragraph specifically says monetary donations are appreciated. He went missing 5 February. The plea was 21 February. Sixteen days after John went missing. It appears that financial help was asked for before these postings.

Maybe it would be helpful for some research to be done into other cases and how quickly donations came into play before opinions are expressed? Would that not be fair? [/*]

Actually, I may feel the same way in that case too.
Why the urgency for money? It's like all money flew the coop with the husbands and makes their husbands just look like a meal ticket. Maybe it's just me, but it's a total turn-off to me.
To me, it really depends on how long he's been gone and what they have tried to do to secure funds in other ways. There truly are city and county and state and federal sources out there to help people. And family and friends and churches.

What do women do who have a husband just up and leave them? I don't think they do instant fund raisers.

I really don't feel badly toward Christine, but this was just too much for me and gave me red flags.

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

A post Christine made at Esty.... [/*]

I should have been more specific.

Do you have a link to the source of that comment?

Maranatha

03-03-2008, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Shall we set up a fund for Drew Peterson? He has some children to raise.

I'm not so sure it's the norm to immediately set up a fund to catch up their bills. But, yes, I can see that funds may be set up a little down the road....not immediately....not when it's unknown whether he'll be back in a few days or not.

Who was Naomi Arnette? Did she go missing or die? [/*]

So...care to spell out the rulz? Is it the norm to have your husband go poof and the wife needs to adjust the servings to her recipe? You sound ... cold. IMO.

And gosh, what does Drew Peterson have to do with this? Are you implying something?

Just asking. :)

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

A post Christine made at Esty.... [/*]

I know it's been posted before, not sure if I've seen it today; here is the full quote: “thank you too for the financial support. it truly is desperately needed. it seems my sweet husband was shielding me from some of our debt and i didn’t realize it until thursday when i accessed his paypal account.”

To me, it just doesn't match up with what she posted on her blog today.

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

Well, as opposed to coming *here* for the facts on the case. Which none of us really have. [/*]

I think she was telling people this because CF herself had been on there listing all the facts as she knows them and saying if she didn't list them, then they were just rumors.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by Hubbard

I should have been more specific.

Do you have a link to the source of that comment? [/*]

Honestly, I'm too tired to go search for it.
It's been posted before. Have you read through all of the posts of this case? You should be able to find it on the first thread.

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I know it's been posted before, not sure if I've seen it today; here is the full quote: “thank you too for the financial support. it truly is desperately needed. it seems my sweet husband was shielding me from some of our debt and i didn’t realize it until thursday when i accessed his paypal account.”

To me, it just doesn't match up with what she posted on her blog today. [/*]

It sounds like the debt was there but not the PayPal money.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I know it's been posted before, not sure if I've seen it today; here is the full quote: “thank you too for the financial support. it truly is desperately needed. it seems my sweet husband was shielding me from some of our debt and i didn’t realize it until thursday when i accessed his paypal account.”

To me, it just doesn't match up with what she posted on her blog today. [/*]

I totally agree. It doesn't match up to what she originally said and I'm not willing to twist it to make it match. She said what she said. Now I think she's doing a bit of damage control to make it mean something else. JMO

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Hubbard

It sounds like the debt was there but not the PayPal money. [/*]

The debt was where? On her Pay Pal account?

K Anne

03-03-2008, 11:24 PM

Hrm. So about that Portuguese comment left on Flickr 4 days ago? I'm inclined to think that in Seattle they've got friends of all nationalities and someone who cares about them in Brazil sounds reasonable to me; I don't find it curious that comments in another language appear in this family's online activities.

BUT it makes me wonder again about the notion that NF disappeared of his own volition. How plausible is the scenario in which NF just up and left, if there has been no credit card or other financial activity? Can someone really make it through airports without leaving a paper or electronic trail?

Pam

03-03-2008, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

A post Christine made on at Esty.... [/*]

I remember reading that post by CF on one of the numerous Etsy threads....I just can't remember which one. I could probably find it, but I'd probably go cross eyed in the process.

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

The debt was where? On her Pay Pal account? [/*]

In their life.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by Maranantha

So...care to spell out the rulz? Is it the norm to have your husband go poof and the wife needs to adjust the servings to her recipe? You sound ... cold. IMO.

And gosh, what does Drew Peterson have to do with this? Are you implying something?

Just asking. :) [/*]

Never mind the Drew Peterson comment. I withdraw it. Wrong choice to compare it to because he's a pretty hated man so the point is getting lost.

Sorry I sound cold.... I'm really not.

mc528

03-03-2008, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Hubbard

I should have been more specific.

Do you have a link to the source of that comment? [/*]

It's on page 89 of this thread:

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5475232&page=89

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by Hubbard

In their life. [/*]

But she said she saw it on her Pay Pal account.
She didn't say he shielded me from our cash flow.
She said he shielded me from our debt.

K Anne

03-03-2008, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

What do women do who have a husband just up and leave them? I don't think they do instant fund raisers.

I really don't feel badly toward Christine, but this was just too much for me and gave me red flags. [/*]

If you're talking about the donations that happened through Etsy, CF had nothing to do with that. A lot of sellers or teams on that site routinely donate or fundraise for fellow sellers.

Repeat: CF had nothing to do with that. So give back at least one of those red flags!

HarlettOhara

03-03-2008, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

It could be twisted that way, but it's not the way it was originally said. It was originally said that he had shielded her from their debt. It was not said that he had shielded her from poor sales or lack of funds in his Pay Pal. I take it as it was said. No money in Pay Pal would not tell her what their debt was. [/*]

I'm not twisting anything at all.. It's just another way of looking at it. None of us know what way Christine meant it.. all we know is how it 'sounded' to us.. and being human we sometimes take things differently than what they were meant to mean.

mc528

03-03-2008, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

But she said she saw it on her Pay Pal account.
She didn't say he shielded me from our cash flow.
She said he shielded me from our debt. [/*]

Actually, it was his PayPal account that she says she accessed on Thursday (day after he disappeared).

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by mc528

It's on page 89 of this thread:

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5475232&page=89 [/*]

Thankyou!

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

But she said she saw it on her Pay Pal account.
She didn't say he shielded me from our cash flow.
She said he shielded me from our debt. [/*]

It could also be interpreted as level of debt.

desmom

03-03-2008, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by mc528

It's on page 89 of this thread:

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5475232&page=89 [/*]

I knew I had read in on the etsy forums, but could not find it. Thanks.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

If you're talking about the donations that happened through Etsy, CF had nothing to do with that. A lot of sellers or teams on that site routinely donate or fundraise for fellow sellers.

Repeat: CF had nothing to do with that. So give back at least one of those red flags! [/*]

K Anne, I have read through the Etsy posts and I have heard the battlecry that Christine never asked for any money. But if you let it be known that you are in desperate need of money to ANYONE, then you are asking for it. Why else tell anyone? While others may have picked up the ball and ran with it, she is the one who started the appeal for money, even if it was just to one person, and she's done nothing to stop it. I see it differently.

This is also not the first fundraising I've seen take place on a discussion board. I've seen how people have had other people ask for them and a group have ran with it. I've also followed some that were bogus and it got ugly in the end. Because of things I've seen in the past, I'm actually pretty much against internet fundraising.

The red flag to me is that the desperate need for money came so quickly and I still have that red flag.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by Hubbard

It could also be interpreted as level of debt. [/*]

How would she see the level of debt by seeing the balance of money in Pay Pal?

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by K Anne

This is what I meant by the mixed messages we give as a general culture. On the one hand some say you're not doing enough to find this person; on the other hand, pretty much, "get over it".

If Nicholas is gone because of foul play, do you really expect a mother of two to put her young kids in someone else's care for *any* reason? Especially while the facts are still unknown, I think that goes against maternal instinct. [/*]

And another thing I was thinking.. I don't know about you guys but when I was pregnant (all 4 times) up until I was 13-16 weeks I was deathly ill.. so tired some days that I could barely get out of bed. A couple of them I actually ended up having to spend time in the hospital for dehydration.

I can not imagine also going through my husband missing while dealing with THAT plus all the hormones. People probably would have thought the same kinds of things about me.. cause there would have been no way I could have headed searches, worked and taken care of my other children all by myself.

Something else to think about. We dont know about her health but she has said that for her health and that of her baby she just can't do it.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by mc528

Actually, it was his PayPal account that she says she accessed on Thursday (day after he disappeared). [/*]

Yes it was.
I knew that.
Sorry for the error.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:35 PM

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

I'm not twisting anything at all.. It's just another way of looking at it. None of us know what way Christine meant it.. all we know is how it 'sounded' to us.. and being human we sometimes take things differently than what they were meant to mean. [/*]

ok

I guess we are both right then. Or both wrong.

Hubbard

03-03-2008, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

How would she see the level of debt by seeing the balance of money in Pay Pal? [/*]

I don't think you can.

You can be aware of debt in your life and expect there is money to pay it off. You discover there is no money in the PayPal account and you realize how much in debt you really are.

mc528

03-03-2008, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by Hubbard

It could also be interpreted as level of debt. [/*]

Can you help me to understand the connection? I have been trying to put together this connection since I had first read that comment shortly after it was originally posted on Etsy. It honestly didn't make sense to me then, and I'm still unclear as to the connection even today.

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

And another thing I was thinking.. I don't know about you guys but when I was pregnant (all 4 times) up until I was 13-16 weeks I was deathly ill.. so tired some days that I could barely get out of bed. A couple of them I actually ended up having to spend time in the hospital for dehydration.

I can not imagine also going through my husband missing while dealing with THAT plus all the hormones. People probably would have thought the same kinds of things about me.. cause there would have been no way I could have headed searches, worked and taken care of my other children all by myself.

Something else to think about. We dont know about her health but she has said that for her health and that of her baby she just can't do it. [/*]

True, and someone posted a message here in the past few days from someone who had been in touch with Christine recently. They described her as feeling sick, and between being pregnant and not knowing what happened to her husband, that is certainly understandable. Also it was posted that the whole family, including Nicholas, was very sick the weekend before he disappeared.

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by K Anne
Hrm. So about that Portuguese comment left on Flickr 4 days ago? I'm inclined to think that in Seattle they've got friends of all nationalities and someone who cares about them in Brazil sounds reasonable to me; I don't find it curious that comments in another language appear in this family's online activities.

BUT it makes me wonder again about the notion that NF disappeared of his own volition. How plausible is the scenario in which NF just up and left, if there has been no credit card or other financial activity? Can someone really make it through airports without leaving a paper or electronic trail? [/*]

He would not make it through SeaTac.. which is the airport in and out of Seattle.. without identification being taken at check in and his name being on a planes passenger manifest... even if he paid cash for the ticket. Which.. this day and age is a huge red flag in it of itself. You can't even go into the terminals at SeaTac without a ticket.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:43 PM

Originally posted by Curiouser

Here is the address to the site: http://www.greedyorneedy.com/cast-your-votes/wish/id/19677 which I got from www.supportingchristine.wordpress.com

She was also on there this afternoon telling people to go to www.thefranciscos.com for the facts on the case. [/*]

Is she a member there?

What a strange site!

decor

03-03-2008, 11:44 PM

I have been thinking about the money thing re: asking so soon for donations.

things have changed a lot in the last few years and a lot of things have become "instantaneous" because of the internet.
Christine and her family are young and I think they view this differently. If donations were going to be made in a few weeks, what difference did it make that it was within days?

Maybe it just didn't seem proper especially to those of us that are older but I think this is just the way things are going.

Eventually a bank would have set up a place to send funds but no one needs to wait any longer because they can do it right away.

I also have to agree with Christine that a lot of people probably did ask her where they could donate so that they felt they were helping in some way because that would be human nature.

think back to 9/11 and what was the first thing you wanted to do if you didn't live close enough to volunteer. give money.

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Hubbard

I don't think you can.

You can be aware of debt in your life and expect there is money to pay it off. You discover there is no money in the PayPal account and you realize how much in debt you really are. [/*]

Pay Pal would not be their main source of income, so I can't see how it would send off such a desperate need for money. This man had a good job and would have recieved a paycheck and I'm sure they had a main checking account at their local bank. Pay Pal was a secondary fund for them.

ThruTheTrees

03-03-2008, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by mc528

Can you help me to understand the connection? I have been trying to put together this connection since I had first read that comment shortly after it was originally posted on Etsy. It honestly didn't make sense to me then, and I'm still unclear as to the connection even today. [/*]

I've discussed this before, not sure if it was here or on another blog. It seems there are only a few possible explanations for the "shielding from debt" that could be discovered by accessing a PayPal account. (And there is Christine's "get the facts" post, but I've already said I don't think that matches up with her original statements).

Nicholas could have had a PayPal CREDIT card tied to his account that she didn't know about, and could have run up a substantial debt on it that she didn't know about until accessing his account. Since Washington is a community property state, any loans/debts he takes out would become hers too, though he could get the card without her knowing it.

Or, he may have used the account to purchase something or pay a bill that she didn't know about, or withdraw funds with a PayPal DEBIT card. Those funds could have come out of their checking account or another credit card that was tied to the PayPal account and if she didn't know about it, and suddenly saw a big charge against the account, that could conceivably be what she considered a "shielded debt".

Those seem the most likely possibilities to me that would fit with her original comment.

Curiouser

03-03-2008, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Is she a member there?

What a strange site! [/*]

I have no idea if she's a member or not. The "wish" was made by someone else that had been posting on the supportingchristine blog. I think probably an Etsian that had come over to the blog after the Etsy threads were closed by Admin.

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

True, and someone posted a message here in the past few days from someone who had been in touch with Christine recently. They described her as feeling sick, and between being pregnant and not knowing what happened to her husband, that is certainly understandable. Also it was posted that the whole family, including Nicholas, was very sick the weekend before he disappeared. [/*]

We haven't really talked about the whole morning sickeness (which for some is morning, noon and night sickness) aspect here.

For some reason I just get the feeling we are all missing something and that it has nothing to do with Christine. But.. I don't really know why.

moonlessnite

03-03-2008, 11:50 PM

I'm not clear if this will post as a reply or new thread. Anyway, I live in South Seattle and Christine is a casual acquaintance of mine, and I have seen Nicholas around once or twice. I've been wanting to post a comment but it took forever to get activated here. Since my experience of Christine's personality is coming from in-person interactions and not from online forums or the etsy community, I thought it may add a layer to the discussion.

When I first realized it was Christine who was the wife of the local missing man, I immediately thought, oh well, he left her. And then I thought, she knows something. All concern of a missing man in the area went away as I was confident it was a domestic dispute situation. The first responses of a few other casual acquaintances of hers were, "oh, she finally drove him away", and "maybe she killed him off". The reason many of us thought this is because of the way she talked, and talked and talked - that she drove him crazy pestering him and boring him all the time, basically.
We tried to avoid letting her start talking, as she would go on forever about herself, even in situations where that was inappropriate. She was unaware of the environment around her and how she affects other people, and how to behave. Her monologues about herself, and being a wife and mother (no identity otherwise?) were very emphatic and forceful, and she certainly would use forceful tones and a challenging defensiveness in order to make her thoughts heard and agreed with. She also appeared to be someone who did very little outside the house and had a complex about this and her outside abilities (lack thereof), and overcompensated by insisting on the importance of her AHM (at home mother) job.

An aspect related to this I'd like to offer, having "experienced her personality" is the likelihood of a personality disorder, which could explain this situation. I noticed her behavior in my interactions with her to be similar to narcissistic behavior, and I feel she could have NPD (narcissistic personality disorder). http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_Narscissist
Narcissistic people will go to extreme lengths to protect their fragile sense of identity if it's threatened. Normal behavior and actions are not considered. Protecting the self is the goal and it must be achieved at all costs.
I never thought she killed Nicholas off, but when it was suggested, I accepted it as a possibility. But I do think if he left her, she knew it, and her actions have been to cover her embarrassment and protect herself, by lying until she believes it herself.
This is why she won't go to vigils (she's pissed off, not mourning) and why she won't look for him.
I don't know why he would leave the kids w/o money, but I do know people w/o options do desperate things. He was always smiling and friendly, but I don't know anything else about him except something in his personality was interested in marrying a narcissist. It takes 2 to tango. I see him as a youthful, energetic, charming man who likely has many other relationship possibilities available to him.
Also, your "Saturn Return" http://newage-directory.com/saturn.html happens at 28, and is a time to revise life if it does not suit your true self.

I found Christine's actions related to this situation questionable, and her behavior was not lining up with the story. I felt badly for thinking this way, wanting to be compassionate and give the benefit of the doubt. So, I was very comforted to see on so many forums that so many other people who have or have not met her feel the same way and question her as well.
What bothered me immediately (so many things have bothered me since and you have all pointed them out thankfully) about this case is her very first interview wherein she stated "if you don't find him these kids won't have a daddy", etc. The fact that she placed responsibility for finding him on "you" (police?, media?), and that she went to the worst case scenario so early on, in front of her children, felt off, to me. As if she knew he left her and she could not find him as he didn't want to be found by her, and to guilt him that his kids won't have a daddy.

Knowing the people involved in this kind of thing is weird, and having the impression that I have of them makes me really want to have the truth be known, whatever is turns out to be exactly. If this woman is perpetuating a hoax (and financial scam), it should be known and she should face the repercussions. If she did worse than that, she should be caught. I hope the detectives can see through her transparent behavior and keep an eye on her.
OK, I think this is long enough and I've said
everything I've been wanting to say now...

Nellie

03-03-2008, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by decor
I have been thinking about the money thing re: asking so soon for donations.

things have changed a lot in the last few years and a lot of things have become "instantaneous" because of the internet.
Christine and her family are young and I think they view this differently. If donations were going to be made in a few weeks, what difference did it make that it was within days?

Maybe it just didn't seem proper especially to those of us that are older but I think this is just the way things are going.

Eventually a bank would have set up a place to send funds but no one needs to wait any longer because they can do it right away.

I also have to agree with Christine that a lot of people probably did ask her where they could donate so that they felt they were helping in some way because that would be human nature.

think back to 9/11 and what was the first thing you wanted to do if you didn't live close enough to volunteer. give money. [/*]

The problem I have with it coming so soon is.....what if Nicholas walked through the door on the 4th day? I think the fund was too soon because it wasn't even known if he'd be gone very long.
I understand and admire people's need to help. I don't think I'd compare this to 911 where we knew what we were dealing with. In this case it wasn't even really known what was being dealt with except a man who had left/dissappeared. Now as time went on the fund wouldn't have bothered me so much. But I just thought it was too much too soon considering they didn't know if he took off or what.

And I'm sure people asked Christine how they could help.
I would have probably just said to please pray that we find Nicholas and he's safe....not that I needed desperately needed money as soon as he was gone. I would not have put the word out that finances were tight before he went missing and were in a crisis when he went missing. Those are the things that made me go "hmmm..." It doesn't make me cold. It was just my reaction. Money should not have been a major concern so soon, imo. I honestyly don't think her or his family and friends were going to let them go hungry. They were right there in the house with her.

MystryPhobia

03-03-2008, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I've discussed this before, not sure if it was here or on another blog. It seems there are only a few possible explanations for the "shielding from debt" that could be discovered by accessing a PayPal account. (And there is Christine's "get the facts" post, but I've already said I don't think that matches up with her original statements).

Nicholas could have had a PayPal CREDIT card tied to his account that she didn't know about, and could have run up a substantial debt on it that she didn't know about until accessing his account. Since Washington is a community property state, any loans/debts he takes out would become hers too, though he could get the card without her knowing it.

Or, he may have used the account to purchase something or pay a bill that she didn't know about, or withdraw funds with a PayPal DEBIT card. Those funds could have come out of their checking account or another credit card that was tied to the PayPal account and if she didn't know about it, and suddenly saw a big charge against the account, that could conceivably be what she considered a "shielded debt".

Those seem the most likely possibilities to me that would fit with her original comment. [/*]

But then why come on and say that she just wasn't aware that he wasn't selling as much as he had been in the past and that was why she said it?

That could very well be a way of him shielding her.. if he wasn't making what he was putting into the business.

K Anne

03-03-2008, 11:52 PM

moonlessnite, that is all too much.

mc528

03-03-2008, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I've discussed this before, not sure if it was here or on another blog. It seems there are only a few possible explanations for the "shielding from debt" that could be discovered by accessing a PayPal account. (And there is Christine's "get the facts" post, but I've already said I don't think that matches up with her original statements).

Nicholas could have had a PayPal CREDIT card tied to his account that she didn't know about, and could have run up a substantial debt on it that she didn't know about until accessing his account. Since Washington is a community property state, any loans/debts he takes out would become hers too, though he could get the card without her knowing it.

Or, he may have used the account to purchase something or pay a bill that she didn't know about, or withdraw funds with a PayPal DEBIT card. Those funds could have come out of their checking account or another credit card that was tied to the PayPal account and if she didn't know about it, and suddenly saw a big charge against the account, that could conceivably be what she considered a "shielded debt".

Those seem the most likely possibilities to me that would fit with her original comment. [/*]

Thanks. I suppose those are definitely all possibilities. For me, I think it was use of the term "Desparate Need" that caused the red flags for me. That to me would have to equate to a very, very substantial debt amount. Of course, it is all relevant....what I may deem substantial, and cause desparation, is likely different from someone else's definition.

K Anne

03-03-2008, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

The problem I have with it coming so soon is.....what if Nicholas walked through the door on the 4th day? I think the fund was too soon because it wasn't even known if he'd be gone very long.
[/*]

So wait a minute. How soon after he went missing did she post about this on Etsy?

I know that people started donating right away but if you are talking about the Etsy donations, that is different from the bank fund. That fund was set up later, I think after the searching and media coverage had already begun.

What is the timeline here on the Etsy activities? Does anyone know for sure?

MystryPhobia

03-04-2008, 12:00 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by moonlessnite
I'm

Thank you moonlessnite and welcome!

Wow..

I think that alot of us considered that she may be somewhat narcissistic based on things that we have seen in the media. Your assessment of them is spot on from what I have read and she does seem to fit.

I think it is interesting that you all have toyed with the notion that she could have killed him. Wow.. is all I can say right now.

Nellie

03-04-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by K Anne

So wait a minute. How soon after he went missing did she post about this on Etsy?

I know that people started donating right away but if you are talking about the Etsy donations, that is different from the bank fund. That fund was set up later, I think after the searching and media coverage had already begun.

What is the timeline here on the Etsy activities? Does anyone know for sure? [/*]

Some have said the next day....I have only witnessed it beginning Feb. 17. He went missing Feb. 13. The Etsy donations and the comment by Christine about the debt took place BEFORE she appeared on National News (Greta/Nancy Grace). She appeared on those shows either Feb. 20 or Feb. 21.

They began by donating to her Pay Pal account and then switched to the fund at the bank, but then came back and said if you were out of State it would be less fees to go ahead and go through Pay Pal.

Curiouser

03-04-2008, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by mc528

Thanks. I suppose those are definitely all possibilities. For me, I think it was use of the term "Desparate Need" that caused the red flags for me. That to me would have to equate to a very, very substantial debt amount. Of course, it is all relevant....what I may deem substantial, and cause desparation, is likely different from someone else's definition. [/*]

There was also something said like they were in need before but now the need is a crisis. And this only 3 or 4 days after he went missing. I don't see how it could become such a crisis in just 3 or 4 days.

Still, I don't think she really set out to scam people out of money, I just think when they offered, she "let" them give it to her. The way the Etsy people were going on about how strong she was being and praying and hugging and sending kisses and love and on and on to someone most of them had probably never even heard of a few short hours before was really very strange. Then they started talking among themselves about making up packages of items from their Etsy stores to send to her and her kids and asking if anyone could find her address and eventually someone spoke to CF's sister who gave out the desperate need statement and off it went from there.

Pam

03-04-2008, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by K Anne

So wait a minute. How soon after he went missing did she post about this on Etsy?

I know that people started donating right away but if you are talking about the Etsy donations, that is different from the bank fund. That fund was set up later, I think after the searching and media coverage had already begun.

What is the timeline here on the Etsy activities? Does anyone know for sure? [/*]

I think it was one of the Etsy members that set up the bank fund because Paypal was charging fees on every donation that was sent to the Paypal account. It's in one of the many CF & NF threads on Etsy. I know there was talk about it taking a few days to get it set up.

It just all became so bizarre!!

Musterion

03-04-2008, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

Honestly, I don't know people who really talk that way.
Even people deeply in love and in a good relationship don't go around saying "my sweet husband" or "my beloved husband" after being married for 7 years. I think that's why the reaction is the way it is...it sounds so fakey. JMO, and I really haven't said anything about it up until now. [/*]

Christine is an artist. She is very creative. It seems the way she writes and speaks are just as creative and embellished as what her hands make. If her personality is sanguine, as has been discussed, that would add a flair for being and speaking dramatically. Not a bad thing.

Nellie

03-04-2008, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by Curiouser

There was also something said like they were in need before but now the need is a crisis. And this only 3 or 4 days after he went missing. I don't see how it could become such a crisis in just 3 or 4 days.

Still, I don't think she really set out to scam people out of money, I just think when they offered, she "let" them give it to her. The way the Etsy people were going on about how strong she was being and praying and hugging and sending kisses and love and on and on to someone most of them had probably never even heard of a few short hours before was really very strange. Then they started talking among themselves about making up packages of items from their Etsy stores to send to her and her kids and asking if anyone could find her address and eventually someone spoke to CF's sister who gave out the desperate need statement and off it went from there. [/*]

Yes it grew and grew! And yes, the Etsy group lit the fire. But I think they would not have known the crisis if it had not been told to them that way. I believe it was out of goodness of their hearts. I also believe people can be manipulated without people coming right out and saying "set up a fund for me and give me money".

And how does anyone know they really spoke to her sister? Was it on the phone? Anyone can be anyone on the phone if you've never talked to them.

need2no

03-04-2008, 12:05 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mc528

Can you help me to understand the connection? I have been trying to put together this connection since I had first read that comment shortly after it was originally posted on Etsy. It honestly didn't make sense to me then, and I'm still unclear as to the connection even today. [/*][/QUOTE

This is puzzling to me to. It sounds like she's saying if there had been the amount of $ she is expected in the account then they would be ok. Ok, for how long...doesn't make sense.

Unless NF's internet business was pulling a consistant amount every month (which I think would be unusual), I don't understand how CF could have expected a certain or minimum amount to be in the Paypal account and available to her. For the sake of convo let's say he normally averaged $2000 a month in his account, but when she looked after he disappeared there was only 1/2 of that amount. It doesn't seem like even twice as much would carry her very far, or make her financially secure for any length of time with 2 children to feed, mortgage, utilities, etc. How could she seem to be relying on this one financial resource, and is now so shocked and needy because it was less than expected? Wouldn't this be merely a second, but not primary income they enjoyed but surely didn't rely on it to get by since they couldn't count on how much would be there.

Heck I'm not sure I understand any of this.

How long had NF had that account?
Did he advise her of the amount in the account at the end of every month? (if so, naturally there would be less in the account in the middle of the month when she took a look)
Since she had his password, didn't she ever look for herself prior to NF going missing? Did NF handle all the finances and pay the bills and CF was clueless?

Curiouser

03-04-2008, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

Some have said the next day....I have only witnessed it beginning Feb. 17. He went missing Feb. 13. The Etsy donations and the comment by Christine about the debt took place BEFORE she appeared on National News (Greta/Nancy Grace). She appeared on those shows either Feb. 20 or Feb. 21.

They began by donating to her Pay Pal account and then switched to the fund at the bank, but then came back and said if you were out of State it would be less fees to go ahead and go through Pay Pal. [/*]

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=62

This is pretty much where the donations started which was the morning of February 17 which would be Sunday I believe.

decor

03-04-2008, 12:06 AM

I compared it with 9/11 because peoples first inclination is to help....immediately. and I'll bet if he had come back right away none of the people that gave really would have minded.

I tried the Flickr page and it has been removed.

and I find it interesting that people are sure that Christine is lurking but no one has mentioned that maybe Nick is lurking too.

Nellie

03-04-2008, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by Musterion

Christine is an artist. She is very creative. It seems the way she writes and speaks are just as creative and embellished as what her hands make. If her personality is sanguine, as has been discussed, that would add a flair for being and speaking dramatically. Not a bad thing. [/*]

Is embellishment considered lying?

So, if she is creative....then she could be painting a picture of her perfect marriage and her perfect life with her sweet, beloved husband, right? So, was it real life or just a picture?

mc528

03-04-2008, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by K Anne

So wait a minute. How soon after he went missing did she post about this on Etsy?

I know that people started donating right away but if you are talking about the Etsy donations, that is different from the bank fund. That fund was set up later, I think after the searching and media coverage had already begun.

What is the timeline here on the Etsy activities? Does anyone know for sure? [/*]

Here is the first thread on Etsy. Christine started it at about 10:30pm on 2/16, by around 10:00am the next morning the donations started, and are still continuing.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=1

K Anne

03-04-2008, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by decor
and I find it interesting that people are sure that Christine is lurking but no one has mentioned that maybe Nick is lurking too. [/*]

AH!!! I *love* you for saying this!! That's a *wonderful* thought!!

Nellie

03-04-2008, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by decor
I compared it with 9/11 because peoples first inclination is to help....immediately. and I'll bet if he had come back right away none of the people that gave really would have minded.

I tried the Flickr page and it has been removed.

and I find it interesting that people are sure that Christine is lurking but no one has mentioned that maybe Nick is lurking too. [/*]

I understand the comparison you were trying to make.
And yes, people do tend to want to help.
I just wonder if she had been a poster who just came on one day and said her husband left her if people would have been so quick to help? It happens to women every day.
And yes, I agree that even now...if Nick came home....those who gave would not ask for the money back and they may even give them more to help take the financial stress off of them to help save their marriage. Like I said, I've seen it all before.

Actually at one point someone did mention that maybe Nick was lurking on his laptop.

Curiouser

03-04-2008, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by decor
I compared it with 9/11 because peoples first inclination is to help....immediately. and I'll bet if he had come back right away none of the people that gave really would have minded.

I tried the Flickr page and it has been removed.

and I find it interesting that people are sure that Christine is lurking but no one has mentioned that maybe Nick is lurking too. [/*]

Is it possible to tell who is "lurking" around the site or are these all just guesses? I've seen a listing of perhaps 7 or 8 people that are signed in but it always says there are a lot more than those that are listed. Of course, you'd have to know a person's posting name to know who it was anyway.

decor

03-04-2008, 12:12 AM

"Actually at one point someone did mention that maybe Nick was lurking on his laptop."

I must have missed it.

dianaelaine

03-04-2008, 12:13 AM

Wow! I REALLY REALLY wish you would post this on Etsy!!!

I know it would be tough to do, and I'm not sure you're a member there now, but it SURE would help put things into perspective for them!

I also think you should tell this to the LE and PI.

Thank you so much for your insight!

moonlessnite

03-04-2008, 12:13 AM

thanks for the warm welcome K Anne. 65 pages plus 15 more isn't too much at all...

I believe I last saw them around sometime in the fall.

RainyNiteNTx

03-04-2008, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by mc528

Here is the first thread on Etsy. Christine started it at about 10:30pm on 2/16, by around 10:00am the next morning the donations started, and are still continuing.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=1 [/*]

Here is the thread that states her sister said they are in financial trouble - (these links were posted many times on the long 60page thread for anyone interested)

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472516&page=64

K Anne

03-04-2008, 12:15 AM

*bitchiness deleted*

I'm serious about the Saturn aspect; if you know more about that, please tell.

Musterion

03-04-2008, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

And another thing I was thinking.. I don't know about you guys but when I was pregnant (all 4 times) up until I was 13-16 weeks I was deathly ill.. so tired some days that I could barely get out of bed. A couple of them I actually ended up having to spend time in the hospital for dehydration.

I can not imagine also going through my husband missing while dealing with THAT plus all the hormones. People probably would have thought the same kinds of things about me.. cause there would have been no way I could have headed searches, worked and taken care of my other children all by myself.

Something else to think about. We dont know about her health but she has said that for her health and that of her baby she just can't do it. [/*]

I understand, Mystry. Within two weeks of conceiving my five year old I was in and out of the hospital numerous times. Sicker than I had ever been.

I was judged harshly for not being able to attend my mom's funeral during that time. But, I was sick and concerned about losing my baby. I had to make a choice, as painful and gutwrenching as it was, despite the condemnation.

decor

03-04-2008, 12:19 AM

I remember on the Etsy thread that someone posted that they were going to Christine's house that night to do her "shift", so there were people on that thread that knew her personally

Nellie

03-04-2008, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by need2no
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mc528

Can you help me to understand the connection? I have been trying to put together this connection since I had first read that comment shortly after it was originally posted on Etsy. It honestly didn't make sense to me then, and I'm still unclear as to the connection even today. [/*][/QUOTE

This is puzzling to me to. It sounds like she's saying if there had been the amount of $ she is expected in the account then they would be ok. Ok, for how long...doesn't make sense.

Unless NF's internet business was pulling a consistant amount every month (which I think would be unusual), I don't understand how CF could have expected a certain or minimum amount to be in the Paypal account and available to her. For the sake of convo let's say he normally averaged $2000 a month in his account, but when she looked after he disappeared there was only 1/2 of that amount. It doesn't seem like even twice as much would carry her very far, or make her financially secure for any length of time with 2 children to feed, mortgage, utilities, etc. How could she seem to be relying on this one financial resource, and is now so shocked and needy because it was less than expected? Wouldn't this be merely a second, but not primary income they enjoyed but surely didn't rely on it to get by since they couldn't count on how much would be there.

Heck I'm not sure I understand any of this.

How long had NF had that account?
Did he advise her of the amount in the account at the end of every month? (if so, naturally there would be less in the account in the middle of the month when she took a look)
Since she had his password, didn't she ever look for herself prior to NF going missing? Did NF handle all the finances and pay the bills and CF was clueless? [/*]

Exactly! Someone gets the point of the two conflicting messages.
And just where was Nicholas selling at? I saw his Etsy site but it was new. What other sites did he have that he sold from that would have been any kind of a steady income?

Curiouser

03-04-2008, 12:23 AM

moonlessnite says: "If this woman is perpetuating a hoax (and financial scam), it should be known and she should face the repercussions. If she did worse than that, she should be caught. I hope the detectives can see through her transparent behavior and keep an eye on her."

I'm beginning to think the only hoax is on herself. The more of this I read the more I feel he left on his own because he just couldn't take any more and maybe she just doesn't want to admit this, especially to the public. As far as a financial scam, I think it is what it is. People asked if they could help and she is letting them give her money.

I don't think she killed him though if that's what you're saying "if she did worse". Granted there was a 4-hour window from the time he left work till she called the police, but don't forget she had the 2 little ones that would have been there if she killed him at home. And what would she have done with his body and how would she have gotten the car to Federal Way, unless she had a helper of course. I don't think she had a boyfriend either and it doesn't sound like she had very many really good women friends, at least not good enough to help her cover up a crime of this magnitude.

Pam

03-04-2008, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by Beth
It's interesting that a lot of what you wrote is what people have been speculating about. Of course you wrote a whole lot more.

By the way, welcome! [/*]

I have to agree! A lot of the things I have been thinking have been wrote throughout this thread and the previous one .... but you summed most of it up in one posting.

Also, from one newbie to another, Welcome :)

Nellie

03-04-2008, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by decor
"Actually at one point someone did mention that maybe Nick was lurking on his laptop."

I must have missed it. [/*]

It was probably on the long, long thread because it was a few nights ago. It's easy to miss things! That's totally understandable.

need2no

03-04-2008, 12:26 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nellie

Exactly! Someone gets the point of the two conflicting messages.
And just where was Nicholas selling at? I saw his Etsy site but it was new. What other sites did he have that he sold from that would have been any kind of a steady income? [/*][/QUOTE

I want to know that too, did he have more than one site and source of income via the internet. Maybe someone here can answer this for us.

ThruTheTrees

03-04-2008, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

Exactly! Someone gets the point of the two conflicting messages.
And just where was Nicholas selling at? I saw his Etsy site but it was new. What other sites did he have that he sold from that would have been any kind of a steady income? [/*]

He has a freelance design business: www.franciscodesign.com The site reads as if it is the two of them ("We are a pair of creatives trying to make the world a better place.") and includes portfolios of his design work, her photography and her sewing biz.

I would imagine if he is working for mainstream clients, they would not be paying him via PayPal though. I do freelance web design and writing, and though I've had a handful of clients pay me via PayPal over the years, the vast majority just mail me a check.

Perhaps he had some kind of top-secret client that he had some trouble with... I was thinking adult or illegal but if he is all that straight-laced and ethical and religious as he has been portrayed, I don't imagine he'd go there. But you never know.

RainyNiteNTx

03-04-2008, 12:29 AM

Nellie

03-04-2008, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by moonlessnite
thanks for the warm welcome K Anne. 65 pages plus 15 more isn't too much at all...

I believe I last saw them around sometime in the fall. [/*]

Welcome moonlessnite! From the get-go Chrisine has reminded me of a "drama queen" that makes everything about her! I felt she has even managed to make Nicholas' dissappearance all about her. It's not poor Nicholas..he may have met with foul play. It's poor Christine...she's pregnant with 2 children and no money.

Curiouser

03-04-2008, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by need2no
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nellie

Exactly! Someone gets the point of the two conflicting messages.
And just where was Nicholas selling at? I saw his Etsy site but it was new. What other sites did he have that he sold from that would have been any kind of a steady income? [/*][/QUOTE

I want to know that too, did he have more than one site and source of income via the internet. Maybe someone here can answer this for us. [/*]

There is www.franciscodesign.com but it doesn't look like there's been much of anything going on with it since March of 2007. They did have a lot of web presence. There's also a Bellastyle site that's still in the works, plus the Flickr, Mypage, and Etsy stuff and LinkedIn I think its called. Their personal blog thefranciscos.com. Also www.cfrancisco.com. I'm thinking there may be others but I can't remember them all right now. By the way does anyone know what "Kauno" means? That's the name of his Etsy store.

Nellie

03-04-2008, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

He has a freelance design business: www.franciscodesign.com The site reads as if it is the two of them ("We are a pair of creatives trying to make the world a better place.") and includes portfolios of his design work, her photography and her sewing biz.

I would imagine if he is working for mainstream clients, they would not be paying him via PayPal though. I do freelance web design and writing, and though I've had a handful of clients pay me via PayPal over the years, the vast majority just mail me a check.

Perhaps he had some kind of top-secret client that he had some trouble with... I was thinking adult or illegal but if he is all that straight-laced and ethical and religious as he has been portrayed, I don't imagine he'd go there. But you never know. [/*]

Looking at that site, there's really nothing to buy there. It just doesn't look real lucrative to me.

K Anne

03-04-2008, 12:32 AM

The other thing about the PayPal account is that any balance need not have come from NF's selling anything; it could have been drawn from their bank account, to pay monthly bills and such.

Has anyone read the Salon article about Mars Hill Church? If so, the church's position on female role or responsibility (and I don't claim to know the whole of it) may include something to the effect of the husband is the provider. Even in this day and age the idea that CF was not privy to the financial records is not any great stretch.

moonless, where do you know the Franciscos from?

Nellie

03-04-2008, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Only the one shop has been reported on here (that he has) and it is a fairly new shop. He didn't even have any "I heart you" (whatever that means) until after he went missing. [/*]

So where would a steady Pay Pal income come from?

I have an online business. Sometimes it can be really slow.
Other times it can pick up.
Right now it's really slow.
It's definately not something I could count on for a living.

moonlessnite

03-04-2008, 12:34 AM

I do think, deep down, he left on his own, and she knew, and I do think a manipulative scam is a great likelihood, even if only to fool herself.
It was suggested she had him killed, so she wouldn't have done it herself. I dunno if I can go with that theory, but...
I just can't imagine someone would do this to his parents, sisters, kids etc., but I suppose people do.

I can't say much more about Saturn other than it is the "taskmaster", and concerns financials, responsibilities, burdens, etc. At 28, it is in the same position as when you were born, so it kind of makes you re-evaluate your life in those terms - burdens - and often people need to make changes of some sort. Someone who feels trapped and has a lot going for them otherwise and is facing a life revision might take off in search of a new life, I guess.
I don't know any of their charts or even their astro signs, etc. I don't know if Saturn makes you get hit on the head or anything else like that.

ThruTheTrees

03-04-2008, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Hi, all...I've been lurking a bit since I was getting way to caught up in trying to figure this one out--and I was taking some posts here too personally. If you stick around a while that's bound to happen sometime.

The way I see it, there is not much to go on right now. How many options are there?

1. He was kidnapped (maybe for info concerning his work or his
online buisness?)
2. He was murdered (not sure of the motive on this one)
3. He committed suicide (I think his body or some type of note
to his family would be found by now)
4. He walked away (why? who can say...marriage problems,
money issues, romantic affair, sexualilty
questions, pressure from work?)

That's it....four options that I can see. Any others? [/*]

Those seem the most likely for sure. I suppose "nervous breakdown", "medical emergency", and "amnesia" could fit under your #4 -- i.e., there could be 2 categories of walking away: intentionally or without awareness.

Less likely would be the sci-fi possibilities mentioned at various times -- organ theft, alien abduction; or some kind of government/legal interaction -- witness protection maybe?

Nellie

03-04-2008, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by K Anne
The other thing about the PayPal account is that any balance need not have come from NF's selling anything; it could have been drawn from their bank account, to pay monthly bills and such.

Has anyone read the Salon article about Mars Hill Church? If so, the church's position on female role or responsibility (and I don't claim to know the whole of it) may include something to the effect of the husband is the provider. Even in this day and age the idea that CF was not privy to the financial records is not any great stretch.

moonless, where do you know the Franciscos from? [/*]

Personally,I think she was probably very privy to the financial records. I just don't think she discovered their financial status after he dissappeared. Call it my gut feeling.

I have a Pay Pal account and cannot for the life of me figure out why anyone would transfer their money from their local bank into Pay Pal to pay their bills. Why would they do that instead of just paying them from their local checking account? :shrug:

field of snow

03-04-2008, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by Curiouser

By the way does anyone know what "Kauno" means? That's the name of his Etsy store. [/*]

That is what I've been looking into.

There is a kauno'o shell where kauno'o (assuming Hawaiian) means scorched or burnt.

There are people with the last name Kauno in Seattle.

Also people from Kauna in Lithuanian are Kauno, I think?

Still looking...

Nellie

03-04-2008, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Those seem the most likely for sure. I suppose "nervous breakdown", "medical emergency", and "amnesia" could fit under your #4 -- i.e., there could be 2 categories of walking away: intentionally or without awareness.

Less likely would be the sci-fi possibilities mentioned at various times -- organ theft, alien abduction; or some kind of government/legal interaction -- witness protection maybe? [/*]

LOL...there have been some imaginations around here, haven't there? :D

RainyNiteNTx

03-04-2008, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by Beth

I happen to agree with your posts and would prefer if you didn't take time outs any more!! [/*]

I agree :)

RainyNiteNTx

03-04-2008, 12:39 AM

ThruTheTrees

03-04-2008, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

Looking at that site, there's really nothing to buy there. It just doesn't look real lucrative to me. [/*]

Well, he's not selling products in the sense of an e-commerce business. Rather, he is selling his services as a designer. And probably not directly from the site -- this is the portfolio that he would point potential clients to go and see samples of his work. Common for designers and photographers to have their portfolios online these days.

He has a profile on linkedin.com and on it he lists both his job at Publicis and also this freelance design business.

But like I said, getting payment for professional freelance design work via PayPal seems unusual to me. And on Etsy he was just selling $50 logos and $20 banners. Not going to be making much $$ on that.

Curiouser

03-04-2008, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by snowfield

That is what I've been looking into.

There is a kauno'o shell where kauno'o (assuming Hawaiian) means scorched or burnt.

There are people with the last name Kauno in Seattle.

Also people from Kauna in Lithuanian are Kauno, I think?

Still looking... [/*]

The Seattle people named Kauno seems the most likely to me. Maybe a close friend or relative he wanted to "honor". Could it be Samoan? Such as in Viliamu Fale is Samoan? Is Samoan somewhat like Hawaiian? From the same general island areas? My geography isn't that good!!

RainyNiteNTx

03-04-2008, 12:40 AM

I thought Kauno had something to do with coffee, since really the only thing he listed on his profile said he didn't like coffee, but wouldn't mind doing some ads for coffee companies.

moonlessnite

03-04-2008, 12:41 AM

Is she really pregnant? Do you call yourself a mother of three when you are in your first trimester with your third?
she describes herself "I am loving being a wife and mom of three kiddos ages 4, 2 and #3 is on the way."
This was from 2006 or spring 2007 (was there really a miscarriage?)
http://www.jpgmag.com/people/bella
could she have known she was preggo on NF's *'day in Jan. when she's 8 weeks now? do you announce it so early when m/c is a risk/medical history?

field of snow

03-04-2008, 12:41 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

If you google Kauno, it brings up some of that strange language again. [/*]

That's Lithuanian.

need2no

03-04-2008, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

Welcome moonlessnite! From the get-go Chrisine has reminded me of a "drama queen" that makes everything about her! I felt she has even managed to make Nicholas' dissappearance all about her. It's not poor Nicholas..he may have met with foul play. It's poor Christine...she's pregnant with 2 children and no money. [/*]

These are 3 of the 9 diagnostic criteria of a narcissistic personality disorder:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

Interesting moonlessnite mentioned narcissist, I've been thinking as much but decided to keep it to myself.