Feb 21, 22

[ruby]

Welcome to a new day, hopefully with new answers. Time to be thankful that we made it to another day...

Here's hoping for answers :rose:

[Anakerie]

Good morning everyone...

I've just been looking at the Reno Gazette-Journal website and there aren't any new stories there, just stories from yesterday. Hopefully we'll hear something later this morning.

Reno Gazette-Journal page with all their stories about Brianna (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/SPECIAL30/80122019/0/NEWS18&theme=DENISON&template=theme)

[Lincoln]

I was thinking about the panties left at the scene.Was it just a mistake or is this guy that arrogant to send a message?In this case he is getting more dangerous.:mad:

[wandering]

Every woman in Reno is terrified. Think the perp is enjoying this. They'll get him, if he's there. Could be hiding in plain sight.

[ruby]

Originally posted by wandering
Every woman in Reno is terrified. Think the perp is enjoying this. They'll get him, if he's there. Could be hiding in plain sight. [/*]

Yah I am confident he will be apprehended....he's getting to cocky, and he'll mess up, */c he wants to be 'famous'...and i use that term lightly.

[Brattnt]

I hope they find him soon....It's about time for him to do it again....:(

[ruby]

Originally posted by Brattnt
I hope they find him soon....It's about time for him to do it again....:( [/*]

I know that's what worries me...it worries me that he's already struck again...but I would think someone would be reported missing, and surely a rape victim wouldn't let this go with all that's going on with this case.

[mxma30]

just wanted to add an alternative possibility about the 4th womans DNA found on the underwear.. think of how easy it would be to get the DNA, even without a "victim." Simply rub the underwear on a toilet in a public restroom.

I wonder if the focus is now on a "4th victim" while less focus is on the killer.

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by mxma30
just wanted to add an alternative possibility about the 4th womans DNA found on the underwear.. think of how easy it would be to get the DNA, even without a "victim." Simply rub the underwear on a toilet in a public restroom.

I wonder if the focus is now on a "4th victim" while less focus is on the killer. [/*]

I'm sure the main focus is on the killer. Why would they put him on a back burner while they search for this 4th woman? They need to catch HIM before he feels the urge to attack again.

[wandering]

Originally posted by mxma30
just wanted to add an alternative possibility about the 4th womans DNA found on the underwear.. think of how easy it would be to get the DNA, even without a "victim." Simply rub the underwear on a toilet in a public restroom.

I wonder if the focus is now on a "4th victim" while less focus is on the killer. [/*]Well, the DNA was at the scene. I don't think they are focusing solely on that. They want to find him, before he kills again. He's very dangerous, because he sneaks up from the back. Pepper spray and tasers wouldn't help much in this situation.

[mxma30]

Originally posted by Anakerie


I'm sure the main focus is on the killer. Why would they put him on a back burner while they search for this 4th woman? They need to catch HIM before he feels the urge to attack again. [/*]

now there's a silly question. same reason the girls would leave a front door unlocked, people do stupid things.

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by mxma30


now there's a silly question. same reason the girls would leave a front door unlocked, people do stupid things. [/*]

I guess I'm stupid then. I have gone to bed and forgotten to lock my front door.. Same with my back door! But then I live in a very small community and I feel SAFE here.

From what I remember from the interviews with the roommates in that house, they left the front door unlocked for a couple of reasons. One is that they had locks on their individual bedroom doors. Another is that there was so much coming and going in the house with the roommates, that they left it unlocked for convenience sake. Another thing is that they felt SAFE in that neighborhood. Apparently they hadn't heard about the other attacks by this POS in that area.

IMO, there should have been more publicity, by the media and by the university, to warn about the attacks so that people would be more aware and more safety conscious.

[Brattnt]

Originally posted by mxma30


now there's a silly question. same reason the girls would leave a front door unlocked, people do stupid things. [/*]

I have no doubt that the police are doing everything they can to find this guy, and that their focus is on HIM....You said it yourself, the womans DNA could have come from anywhere....If you thought of that, dont you think the police have as well?....

JMO

[Brattnt]

Not sure if this has been posted here yet....It's a good article....I didnt know he had tried to break into the December victims apartment the day before Brianna was taken...


Police said DNA indicates the suspect then tried to break into the December victim’s apartment on Jan. 19, the night before Denison was kidnapped.

“So it seems that Mr. Almighty himself is going to show back up and teach her a lesson,” Kelly said.

Kelly said the suspect likely went into a rage because she disobeyed his order not to report the rape to police. He said the suspect showing up at her house was “insane” because he knew people would be looking for him there.

“So he leaves that apartment, carrying this rage inside because he couldn’t take it out on her, and then goes by and sees Brianna sleeping on a couch,” he said.

Drops of Denison’s blood was found on her pillow in a friend’s home on MacKay Court. A teddy bear she was using remains missing.



http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20080220&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=80220046&Ref=AR&Show=0

[bred]

I doubt if there's much of a "search" going on for the owner of the undies...they'd just like her to come forward. I wonder if the woman knows they are hers but is afraid LE won't keep her name secret...like maybe she is married...OR the owner is no longer living...who knows...we could guess forever.

Are we accepting the "posed" statement as a FACT?

[ruby]

Originally posted by bred
I doubt if there's much of a "search" going on for the owner of the undies...they'd just like her to come forward. I wonder if the woman knows they are hers but is afraid LE won't keep her name secret...like maybe she is married...OR the owner is no longer living...who knows...we could guess forever.

Are we accepting the "posed" statement as a FACT? [/*]

I don't want to think of her as 'posed'...as it hasn't been released. I only heard it from the 'expert pannel' on NG last night...not sure how to take it.

[duncan]

Originally posted by Brattnt
Not sure if this has been posted here yet....It's a good article....I didnt know he had tried to break into the December victims apartment the day before Brianna was taken...


Police said DNA indicates the suspect then tried to break into the December victim’s apartment on Jan. 19, the night before Denison was kidnapped.

“So it seems that Mr. Almighty himself is going to show back up and teach her a lesson,” Kelly said.

Kelly said the suspect likely went into a rage because she disobeyed his order not to report the rape to police. He said the suspect showing up at her house was “insane” because he knew people would be looking for him there.

“So he leaves that apartment, carrying this rage inside because he couldn’t take it out on her, and then goes by and sees Brianna sleeping on a couch,” he said.

Drops of Denison’s blood was found on her pillow in a friend’s home on MacKay Court. A teddy bear she was using remains missing.



http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20080220&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=80220046&Ref=AR&Show=0 [/*]


This man is full of rage, but he is leaving a trail of DNA so I think he will be caught.

[ruby]

How do you all feel about the adult entertainer occupation for this dude?
I know this has been brought up a lot here and on the news, due to his shaved region. I know Nevada has a lot of adult entertainment businesses, but based on the description and sketch, I highly doubt it.

He doesn't appear to be attractive, and someone pointed him out as having a 'firm beer belly' if I remember correctly.

Thoughts, Rebuttles? :confused:

[ccat]

Perpetrators often return to reminisce about the crime. I wonder if there is surveillance at the place where Brianna was left? He might be too cautious to return to the place of abduction, but it might give him some form of perverse satisfaction to return to the place where he left her - and left everyone befuddled.
I can't wait until he gets caught. I hope he does not stay uncaught as long as BTK did.

[ruby]

Here's a thought, perhaps he has an STD (crabs) and that's why he shaves...as possible as the rest of the what ifs.

[duncan]

Originally posted by ccat
Perpetrators often return to reminisce about the crime. I wonder if there is surveillance at the place where Brianna was left? He might be too cautious to return to the place of abduction, but it might give him some form of perverse satisfaction to return to the place where he left her - and left everyone befuddled.
I can't wait until he gets caught. I hope he does not stay uncaught as long as BTK did. [/*]


I had not thought of this, good idea tho and I hope LE is watching that patch of ground.

[baywench]

Originally posted by Anakerie


I guess I'm stupid then. I have gone to bed and forgotten to lock my front door.. Same with my back door! But then I live in a very small community and I feel SAFE here.

From what I remember from the interviews with the roommates in that house, they left the front door unlocked for a couple of reasons. One is that they had locks on their individual bedroom doors. Another is that there was so much coming and going in the house with the roommates, that they left it unlocked for convenience sake. Another thing is that they felt SAFE in that neighborhood. Apparently they hadn't heard about the other attacks by this POS in that area.

IMO, there should have been more publicity, by the media and by the university, to warn about the attacks so that people would be more aware and more safety conscious. [/*]

I have raised three daughters, and although I understand what you are saying I also banged into their heads that they must be responsible for their own safety and be empowered to do everything they could to not be a victim. That means taking all the precautions. With all due respect, I think many people feel safe until something happens to them. I do not think it was a lack of publicity rather maybe coordination and investigation issues. The hardest thing of all is that most young people feel invincable, they just don't think anything will happen to them. Unfortunately there is a chance that even if the roomates knew they still may have taken the risk so as to not inconvenience anyone by locking them out. JMO

[omsk99]

Just a few articles fro today, although nothing new

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/15831267.html

http://www.verticaljunkies.com/blog/?p=458 (blog from someone who knew Brianna)

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080220/NEWS01/802200445/1016/NEWS (from yesterday, about DNA, sorry if it was posted before)

What a horrible tragedy and a loss

:rose:

[Cookies]

I still can't believe she is dead.
I can't even talk about it.

:rose:

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ruby
Here's a thought, perhaps he has an STD (crabs) and that's why he shaves...as possible as the rest of the what ifs. [/*]

Good thinking! Although I still think he is doing it to prevent any of his DNA get on a victim. Just a guess, of course

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Cookies
I still can't believe she is dead.
I can't even talk about it.

:rose: [/*]

Same here, I was out of the country, and came back to this news. I cannot get over it, probably never will.

[baywench]

Originally posted by omsk99


Good thinking! Although I still think he is doing it to prevent any of his DNA get on a victim. Just a guess, of course [/*]

Well that certainly isn't working if he is. I think it's just a sick twist for this guy IMO

[ruby]

Originally posted by omsk99


Good thinking! Although I still think he is doing it to prevent any of his DNA get on a victim. Just a guess, of course [/*]
Hi :seeya:
Yah i agree, although he's left dna at every scene???

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ruby

Hi :seeya:
Yah i agree, although he's left dna at every scene??? [/*]

:seeya: I know! I wonder what kind... :confused:

[trich]

In this day and age I can not believe anyone would not check to make sure their doors and windows are locked.
That is very foolish no matter where you live.

Of course I believe these young ladies were partying so hard they were probably too drunk to even think about locking doors not to mention getting a ride home from a complete stranger.
The girl that did that was very fortunate that was not the rapest.


They need to make it a requirement that everyone take
a course in self protection and creating a safe environment for all students entering their freshman year at colleges.
It should be part of their orientation.

In saying that kids still no matter how smart and intelligent they are do not think "it" can happen to them.
why do some have to learn the hard way?

[ruby]

Originally posted by trich
In this day and age I can not believe anyone would not check to make sure their doors and windows are locked.
That is very foolish no matter where you live.

Of course I believe these young ladies were partying so hard they were probably too drunk to even think about locking doors not to mention getting a ride home from a complete stranger.
The girl that did that was very fortunate that was not the rapest.


They need to make it a requirement that everyone take
a course in self protection and creating a safe environment for all students entering their freshman year at colleges.
It should be part of their orientation.

In saying that kids still no matter how smart and intelligent they are do not think "it" can happen to them.
why do some have to learn the hard way? [/*]


sadly, there is always going to be someone who catches you off guard, comes up behind you. I mean look at Meredith Emerson, a martial arts expert, and that didn't help her. I agree, people need to be smarter about their lives. It can start with being as simple as locking your doors and windows, not walking alone in the dark or forest, not going home with strangers, not meeting strangers online....etc. However, there are still cases like the gal that got abducted at target on a bright crowded day......you just never know and there will never be enough preperation. Sadly for Bri, if this was a random thing, it probably could have been stopped if the windows/doors were locked and they had drapes.... :(

[ruby]

Originally posted by silvercoins
I think that there is going to be a Prayer Vigil on Saturday .. or am I wrong ??

Just a Thought: I think that this Monster could show up to see everyone in
mourning or God Forbid .. find another victim ..

I just Pray that he is found soon .. he has done enough damage already ..
JMO as always ..

:rose: RIP Brianna .. You were so beautiful to be taken away from your loved ones too soon ..
Our Sympathies to your Family and Friends ... :rose: [/*]

Yes there is, and I read they are giving free bus service that day for it! How nice!

[omsk99]

Sorry, if this was posted already:

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7895227&nav=menu107_2

Him leaving the underwear is SO puzzling. I do not think it was accidental, how can you "accidentally" drop someone else's underwear at a crime/murder scene?

[ruby]

Originally posted by omsk99
Sorry, if this was posted already:

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7895227&nav=menu107_2

Him leaving the underwear is SO puzzling. I do not think it was accidental, how can you "accidentally" drop someone else's underwear at a crime/murder scene? [/*]

It is puzzling. It could mean so many things...it could have so much significance or none....all we do know is that it's someones dna mixed with his! If it's his wifes/gf's....why is it in the car with him?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ruby


It is puzzling. It could mean so many things...it could have so much significance or none....all we do know is that it's someones dna mixed with his! If it's his wifes/gf's....why is it in the car with him? [/*]

I think he brought it with him to taunt the LE! :flamemad:

[ruby]

Originally posted by omsk99


I think he brought it with him to taunt the LE! :flamemad: [/*]


That is my thinking too.... :no:

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by ruby


It is puzzling. It could mean so many things...it could have so much significance or none....all we do know is that it's someones dna mixed with his! If it's his wifes/gf's....why is it in the car with him? [/*]

Very puzzling, indeed. Worrying too. Do they belong to someone he knows? Or another victim that hasn't come forward for some reason. I can only hope that it isn't another victim like Brianna that hasn't been missed or found yet.

I got distracted from watching things here because of the earthquake east of Reno (My niece lives near Wells.) and because I've been doing some road condition reports for my truck driver friend again. Unfortunately, its supposed to snow in Reno again. It's snowing up in the pass right now.. :(

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Brattnt
Not sure if this has been posted here yet....It's a good article....I didnt know he had tried to break into the December victims apartment the day before Brianna was taken...


Police said DNA indicates the suspect then tried to break into the December victim’s apartment on Jan. 19, the night before Denison was kidnapped.

“So it seems that Mr. Almighty himself is going to show back up and teach her a lesson,” Kelly said.

Kelly said the suspect likely went into a rage because she disobeyed his order not to report the rape to police. He said the suspect showing up at her house was “insane” because he knew people would be looking for him there.

“So he leaves that apartment, carrying this rage inside because he couldn’t take it out on her, and then goes by and sees Brianna sleeping on a couch,” he said.

Drops of Denison’s blood was found on her pillow in a friend’s home on MacKay Court. A teddy bear she was using remains missing.



http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20080220&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=80220046&Ref=AR&Show=0 [/*]

This is a very good article I only differ in one aspect;


"Because the victims in these cases were petite and had long hair, Kelly said it’s likely they were being watched before attacked."


I don't think that is the case. He was looking for a type, but I do not believe he spent much time watching a particular victim. He chose the University because there would be a abundance of potential victims that fit that profile.

His actions have some earmarks of a organized rapist/killer and some of a disorganized one.

Blitz-attacks, which all but the last were, suggest disorganized. Taking his victim away for the point of attack suggest organized. I think he falls into the grouping of a mixed method predator.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


This is a very good article I only differ in one aspect;


"Because the victims in these cases were petite and had long hair, Kelly said it’s likely they were being watched before attacked."


I don't think that is the case. He was looking for a type, but I do not believe he spent much time watching a particular victim. He chose the University because there would be a abundance of potential victims that fit that profile.

His actions have some earmarks of a organized rapist/killer and some of a disorganized one.

Blitz-attacks, which all but the last were, suggest disorganized. Taking his victim away for the point of attack suggest organized. I think he falls into the grouping of a mixed method predator. [/*]

I agree, I don't think he was watching his victims, but rather than for a type.

[bred]

I'm thinking SMALL was all he cared about. If he watched Bri and KT exit the car he would have known that much atleast.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by omsk99


I agree, I don't think he was watching his victims, but rather than for a type. [/*]

I meant to say "went for a type"!

[wandering]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


This is a very good article I only differ in one aspect;


"Because the victims in these cases were petite and had long hair, Kelly said it’s likely they were being watched before attacked."


I don't think that is the case. He was looking for a type, but I do not believe he spent much time watching a particular victim. He chose the University because there would be a abundance of potential victims that fit that profile.

His actions have some earmarks of a organized rapist/killer and some of a disorganized one.

Blitz-attacks, which all but the last were, suggest disorganized. Taking his victim away for the point of attack suggest organized. I think he falls into the grouping of a mixed method predator. [/*]I agree, Maelstrom. And the profilers say there are no rules, each perp is different. They are still trying to figure them all out.

[omsk99]

~ snip

"Her body had been in the field for more than a week, and heavy snowfall over the past few weeks might have delayed its discovery, police said."

Does this mean she was alive until a week before she was found, or he kept her body elsewhere?.. :confused:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/strange/news-article.aspx?storyid=102916

ETA: Just re-read it, and it sounds like they don't know how long she was there, only that it was more the week.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by ruby
How do you all feel about the adult entertainer occupation for this dude?
I know this has been brought up a lot here and on the news, due to his shaved region. I know Nevada has a lot of adult entertainment businesses, but based on the description and sketch, I highly doubt it.

He doesn't appear to be attractive, and someone pointed him out as having a 'firm beer belly' if I remember correctly.

Thoughts, Rebuttles? :confused: [/*]
Good evening ruby :seeya: I don't think so, but I could be wrong too. I'm still going with him working outdoors perhaps, like in construction perhaps.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by sunstar

Good evening ruby :seeya: I don't think so, but I could be wrong too. I'm still going with him working outdoors perhaps, like in construction perhaps. [/*]

Yes, I don't think he is good-looking enough, with a beer belly, to be a stripper. But you never know!

[sunstar]

Originally posted by omsk99


Yes, I don't think he is good-looking enough, with a beer belly, to be a stripper. But you never know! [/*]
Just his general physical description (minus the shaved pubic area) and the truck seem to fit another occupation besides male stripper or someone involved in the sex/porn industry. He's probably like the 'guy next door' who no one would think is involved in sexual assualts and murder.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by sunstar

Good evening ruby :seeya: I don't think so, but I could be wrong too. I'm still going with him working outdoors perhaps, like in construction perhaps. [/*]

I feel this is the right direction as well. I have always thought there were a lot of construction/ outdoor type workers in Reno and have thought more in this direction since she was found in S. Meadows.

As far as male strippers, I cannot think of any male strip clubs in Reno. That's not to say there are not any :shrug: I just haven't heard of any male strip clubs... female is a whole different story. We do have several of those.

Others have said this already but I think we will be really surprised when we find out who this is. I just pray it is soon.

I just also wanted to thank you guys for the discussion on these boards. It's been really nice to have a place to share opinions and theories with and for me it is somewhat comforting. It makes me feel a little better about all of this. :seeya:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by butterfly28


I feel this is the right direction as well. I have always thought there were a lot of construction/ outdoor type workers in Reno and have thought more in this direction since she was found in S. Meadows.

As far as male strippers, I cannot think of any male strip clubs in Reno. That's not to say there are not any :shrug: I just haven't heard of any male strip clubs... female is a whole different story. We do have several of those.

Others have said this already but I think we will be really surprised when we find out who this is. I just pray it is soon.

I just also wanted to thank you guys for the discussion on these boards. It's been really nice to have a place to share opinions and theories with and for me it is somewhat comforting. It makes me feel a little better about all of this. :seeya: [/*]
Thank you for the reply :) and it's much appreciated from someone who is local to the area. My theory about him was speculation based on not knowing the area but mainly that there were new businesses and industrial area there where Brianna's body was found ~ thinking that maybe he works in the area or maybe worked there constructing the businesses. I think the profile I read last night on rgj.com was pretty accurate that he might have just gotten out of a relationship with someone of similar appearance to his victims.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Anakerie


I guess I'm stupid then. I have gone to bed and forgotten to lock my front door.. Same with my back door! But then I live in a very small community and I feel SAFE here.

From what I remember from the interviews with the roommates in that house, they left the front door unlocked for a couple of reasons. One is that they had locks on their individual bedroom doors. Another is that there was so much coming and going in the house with the roommates, that they left it unlocked for convenience sake. Another thing is that they felt SAFE in that neighborhood. Apparently they hadn't heard about the other attacks by this POS in that area.

IMO, there should have been more publicity, by the media and by the university, to warn about the attacks so that people would be more aware and more safety conscious. [/*]

I don't mean any disrespect at all, but it is this exact mindset that I don't understand. Briana, KT, and Jessica felt SAFE in their community too, obviously. I have read so many cases of unlocked doors and people feeling SAFE in their small communities. I'm just not sure why people get it in their heads that "it can't happen here". It CAN and DOES happen ANYWHERE! I think people have to change their way of thinking about their small communities. I live in a small community as well, but I keep my doors locked day and night and tell my daughters to do the same. I don't even want anyone walking in on me during the day. I also lock my car doors as soon as I get in. Small community, yes. But, if the unthinkable happens here, I will do what it takes to at least TRY to protect myself. I don't think I'm immune just because I live in a small community. And yes, the unthinkable HAS happened here, even though we're a small community. Evil doesn't only exist big cities. And drugs are rampant in small communites and drugs are at the heart of many crimes. We just gotta get rid of this "small communities are safe" mentality.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by omsk99


Good thinking! Although I still think he is doing it to prevent any of his DNA get on a victim. Just a guess, of course [/*]

He seems to be leaving a trail of DNA everywhere he goes, so I have a hard time believing he shaves for that reason.

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by Nellie


I don't mean any disrespect at all, but it is this exact mindset that I don't understand. Briana, KT, and Jessica felt SAFE in their community too, obviously. I have read so many cases of unlocked doors and people feeling SAFE in their small communities. I'm just not sure why people get it in their heads that "it can't happen here". It CAN and DOES happen ANYWHERE! I think people have to change their way of thinking about their small communities. I live in a small community as well, but I keep my doors locked day and night and tell my daughters to do the same. I don't even want anyone walking in on me during the day. I also lock my car doors as soon as I get in. Small community, yes. But, if the unthinkable happens here, I will do what it takes to at least TRY to protect myself. I don't think I'm immune just because I live in a small community. And yes, the unthinkable HAS happened here, even though we're a small community. Evil doesn't only exist big cities. And drugs are rampant in small communites and drugs are at the heart of many crimes. We just gotta get rid of this "small communities are safe" mentality. [/*]

I agree with most of what you've said. There is crime everywhere, not just in the big cities. People do get a false sense of security at times. "It won't happen here." "It won't happen to me."

As I said in my post I have on occasion accidentally gone to bed with a door unlocked. But, if you look at the town I live in, you might understand why I don't panic about it. The town I live in has less than 500 people (and that figure includes the surrounding farms.). I live across the street from my daughter and her husband. I know my neighbors on either side of me and on either side of my daughter. I also know the neighbors that live behind me. There are enough animals in this town that it's difficult to walk across the street without stirring up the dogs, the chickens, etc. A town this size, everyone kind of looks out for everyone else.

Reno, however, is a different story. I agree with you that those roommates should not have made it a practice to leave that front door unlocked. I heard them saying they felt it was ok because they had locks on their bedroom doors. But that sure didn't help Bri...

They need to catch this guy and soon. Before he can hurt another person.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Anakerie


I agree with most of what you've said. There is crime everywhere, not just in the big cities. People do get a false sense of security at times. "It won't happen here." "It won't happen to me."

As I said in my post I have on occasion accidentally gone to bed with a door unlocked. But, if you look at the town I live in, you might understand why I don't panic about it. The town I live in has less than 500 people (and that figure includes the surrounding farms.). I live across the street from my daughter and her husband. I know my neighbors on either side of me and on either side of my daughter. I also know the neighbors that live behind me. There are enough animals in this town that it's difficult to walk across the street without stirring up the dogs, the chickens, etc. A town this size, everyone kind of looks out for everyone else.

Reno, however, is a different story. I agree with you that those roommates should not have made it a practice to leave that front door unlocked. I heard them saying they felt it was ok because they had locks on their bedroom doors. But that sure didn't help Bri...

They need to catch this guy and soon. Before he can hurt another person. [/*]

Oh I've been guilty of leaving my keys in the door (on the outside) but yet locking my door. If I've come home with my arms full I've unlocked the door but forgot to yank the keys out. So, I understand about accidentally forgetting to lock the doors. When I discover it in the morning, I always get such a creepy feeling thinking that someone COULD have just walked in on us in the middle of the night.

Please just be careful....even in your small community. It can happen anywhere. There is a town about like your's about 10 miles down the road from us and it would never be the sort of town you would expect your 10 year old daughter to be abducted from. But it happened, and yes it shocked everyone! The little girl was found dead in MY town. She lived in a town where "everyone knew everyone". It really blue that town's sense of security and mindset that these kinds of things only happen in big bad towns. They even would say things like "I can't believe it could happen here. Such and such (name of my town because it's bigger) maybe, but not here.

[Kelly3820]

Originally posted by omsk99


I agree, I don't think he was watching his victims, but rather than for a type. [/*]



I go back and forth on this. I think he is prepared. He watches for his type. Noone has seen him grab a victim or heard her screams. He feels pretty confident in himself. I think finding Brianna on the couch was something he did not expect.

[duncan]

Originally posted by Kelly3820




I go back and forth on this. I think he is prepared. He watches for his type. Noone has seen him grab a victim or heard her screams. He feels pretty confident in himself. I think finding Brianna on the couch was something he did not expect. [/*]


I think he watches for a type too, someone posted that a small woman is what he wants and I agree, this man is a coward.

I wonder why the dog did not bark??? I have 3 dogs, one is a chihuahua and they do have super hearing and they will bark and bark, windy nights are bad news in this home.

LE must be feeling so bad that he is still free, I hope he is as stupid as he looks, he will make a mistake soon and he will be convicted thanks to his own DNA.

[duncan]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae
:seeya:

You're right. anyone can forget to lock a door sometime.

More than one of us has left the keys in the lock on the outside more than likely.

I did at the height of the Louisiana serial killer's murders...and almost stroked the next morning when I realized what I did...

These young people are at the age where the mind set is "bad things happen to other people".

That may be one of the ways they can sometimes be so easily assessable to predators.

Brianna was an overnight guest/visitor in that house when she was abducted and was probably unaware of the danger.

Had she known one of the attacks was across the street she may have done things differently.

I have to wonder if any of the girls in that house knew...

Bottom line is male or female, old or young, drunk or sober, visiting or residing a little caution could save your life.

OK off my soapbox... :rose: Be safe [/*]


Good post Kathy, we are Americans and our homes are our castles, we should be safe in our own beds, evil has no right or authority to invade our homes.

It is hard for us to accept that every day some demon is plotting our death.


omo

[wandering]

Originally posted by Kelly3820




I go back and forth on this. I think he is prepared. He watches for his type. Noone has seen him grab a victim or heard her screams. He feels pretty confident in himself. I think finding Brianna on the couch was something he did not expect. [/*]I think LE should check their peeping tom reports.

[Rick777]

The family spokesman said on Nancy Grace last night that the family feels comfortable that Brianna was killed right away, and didn't suffer. That would mean the body was either placed in the field early on, or held, or moved. They are mum on on whether or not the body was "staged" or "posed"....which leads me to believe it must have been staged or posed.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Rick777
The family spokesman said on Nancy Grace last night that the family feels comfortable that Brianna was killed right away, and didn't suffer. That would mean the body was either placed in the field early on, or held, or moved. They are mum on on whether or not the body was "staged" or "posed"....which leads me to believe it must have been staged or posed. [/*]

If Brianna's body was staged, then how it was staged, will tell police a lot about what motivates this guy.

If it was in a respectful position(arms crossed or hands on chest) it will be a sign or remorse. On the other hand if it was staged to shock(legs spread) it will be farther proof of intense anger. If more was done then we are dealing with a extremely violent offender who is likely to kill again.

[ruby]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


If Brianna's body was staged, then how it was staged, will tell police a lot about what motivates this guy.

If it was in a respectful position(arms crossed or hands on chest) it will be a sign or remorse. On the other hand if it was staged to shock(legs spread) it will be farther proof of intense anger. If more was done then we are dealing with a extremely violent offender who is likely to kill again. [/*]

Yep you make a ton of sense.

[Rick777]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


If Brianna's body was staged, then how it was staged, will tell police a lot about what motivates this guy.

If it was in a respectful position(arms crossed or hands on chest) it will be a sign or remorse. On the other hand if it was staged to shock(legs spread) it will be farther proof of intense anger. If more was done then we are dealing with a extremely violent offender who is likely to kill again. [/*]


Actually.....from reading other sites, several blogs and rant places..such as Craigslist have been saying that Brianna's Lip, or Lips were cut off. I don't know if true or not, but thats running rampant in some places. Maybe thats why cops are stunned.

[Rick777]

More hearsay....but there is also alot going around about The December Victim being BRUTALLY beat...to the point where both her ankles were broken.

Bri's killer...

Reply to: pers-580666271@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-02-20, 11:09AM PST


How comes there is no more detailed description of the truck??? HOW ABOUT A COLOR MAYBE??? AT LEAST AN INTERIOR COLOR??? CARPET COLOR????
Christ everyone in Reno has a damn truck....

How comes there has been no mention of her lip being cut off when they found her???? What significance is that??? Maybe he's a meat cutter at a deli.......

The police were slow coming with any previous info and now it looks like more of the same old same old...

Yo...investigators...wake da *$&# up..........maybe, just maybe, there's someone a teeeny bit smarter than you out here....

Also there was this mention on CL:


Quote:
ie. Dec. rape victims ankles were both broken, also that something happened to Brianna's lip. This lip thing was not pursued so I doubt it's to be taken seriously.

Quote:
re:Brianna's Body found Posed???

Reply to: pers-582254468@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-02-21, 4:59PM PST go to amw.com. read the article.

i don't know if the "posed" statement is
true or a rumour.
but i do know that if you read the article, you will see that it
states after the DECEMBER assault, the girl was "beaten brutally."
i heard from someone who knows this girl who is
now in tawain that the ****er broke both her ankles.

these are on CL Reno Raves And Rants section.

[ruby]

Originally posted by Rick777



Actually.....from reading other sites, several blogs and rant places..such as Craigslist have been saying that Brianna's Lip, or Lips were cut off. I don't know if true or not, but thats running rampant in some places. Maybe thats why cops are stunned. [/*]
Yikes that's horrendous, but what would be the purpose??

[Rick777]

Originally posted by ruby

Yikes that's horrendous, but what would be the purpose?? [/*]


Ummm....Leaving a souvnier (panties)....taking a souveneir? (body part)

[ruby]

Originally posted by Rick777



Ummm....Leaving a souvnier (panties)....taking a souveneir? (body part) [/*]

Gross. This case just stepped into bizarro world for me. hammer

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by ruby


Gross. This case just stepped into bizarro world for me. hammer [/*]

Let's just remember that this could all be untrue. We are all familiar with rumors that are later proven to be just that- rumors. Let's hope this is the case here...

[Rick777]

Grrrrr..

We are here daily...and we talk about motive, evidence, what we know and what we don't know, what LE should do, what we would do....so on and so on..

I'm so annoyed right now that this guy is out there!

The bottom line is I'm pissed that with all the clues we can't get anybody to come forward and open this case up! SOMEBODY knows of a baby shoe in a large vehicle, a dome light, a goatee, Pink Panther thongs, etc......and if they don't...they know that somebody CHANGED thier appearence, changed thier vehicle, or Owned or sold a pair of those thongs!

:flamemad:

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Rick777



Actually.....from reading other sites, several blogs and rant places..such as Craigslist have been saying that Brianna's Lip, or Lips were cut off. I don't know if true or not, but thats running rampant in some places. Maybe thats why cops are stunned. [/*]


If post-mortem mutilation was done such as was done to Elizabeth Short (the Black Dahlia) or the victims of Jack The Ripper, then this man may be evolving into a anger-excitation killer. I can’t get a good handle on him because what the police have released to the press leads me in different directions depending on which story I read. Many of his actions fall into the power-assertive rapist category, but not all. It could be he is changing his MO in a effort to mislead LE, but his signature will not change, but it may evolve or be enhanced over time.

I remember what was said the last time I mentioned the teddy bear but at the risk of getting goofed on again let me throw this out.

This guy does not think like the rest of us. He took the bear. Few things are more indicative of female childhood innocence then a stuffed toy. He left a sexy pair of thong panties, something usually associated with adult female flirtation. Is he trying to tell us; “she may try to look like a innocent, but she is just a s*** like all the rest?”

Ok I have my bullet-proof vest on, fire away. ;)

[Rick777]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5



If post-mortem mutilation was done such as was done to Elizabeth Short (the Black Dahlia) or the victims of Jack The Ripper, then this man may be evolving into a anger-excitation killer. I can’t get a good handle on him because what the police have released to the press leads me in different directions depending on which story I read. Many of his actions fall into the power-assertive rapist category, but not all. It could be he is changing his MO in a effort to mislead LE, but his signature will not change, but it may evolve or be enhanced over time.

I remember what was said the last time I mentioned the teddy bear but at the risk of getting goofed on again let me throw this out.

This guy does not think like the rest of us. He took the bear. Few things are more indicative of female childhood innocence then a stuffed toy. He left a sexy pair of thong panties, something usually associated with adult female flirtation. Is he trying to tell us; “she may try to look like a innocent, but she is just a s*** like all the rest?”

Ok I have my bullet-proof vest on, fire away. ;) [/*]




I can't argue with that at all. I would not be shocked to see the Bear show up at a future kill.......if he is not captured soon!

[ruby]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5



If post-mortem mutilation was done such as was done to Elizabeth Short (the Black Dahlia) or the victims of Jack The Ripper, then this man may be evolving into a anger-excitation killer. I can’t get a good handle on him because what the police have released to the press leads me in different directions depending on which story I read. Many of his actions fall into the power-assertive rapist category, but not all. It could be he is changing his MO in a effort to mislead LE, but his signature will not change, but it may evolve or be enhanced over time.

I remember what was said the last time I mentioned the teddy bear but at the risk of getting goofed on again let me throw this out.

This guy does not think like the rest of us. He took the bear. Few things are more indicative of female childhood innocence then a stuffed toy. He left a sexy pair of thong panties, something usually associated with adult female flirtation. Is he trying to tell us; “she may try to look like a innocent, but she is just a s*** like all the rest?”

Ok I have my bullet-proof vest on, fire away. ;) [/*]

I get what you are saying! (and I dont like guns ;)) hehe. It's true....take a stuffed animal, leave a thong. If you look at it that way, your assumptions could have some meaning! Well done.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rick777
The family spokesman said on Nancy Grace last night that the family feels comfortable that Brianna was killed right away, and didn't suffer. That would mean the body was either placed in the field early on, or held, or moved. They are mum on on whether or not the body was "staged" or "posed"....which leads me to believe it must have been staged or posed. [/*]

One of the articles posted yesterday, quoted LE that the body was not posed.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ruby

Yikes that's horrendous, but what would be the purpose?? [/*]

a "memento"? :flamemad:

[ruby]

Originally posted by omsk99


a "memento"? :flamemad: [/*]

But WHY lips?? That seems so weird...
we don't even know if this is true though, so i dont know if it is even worth discussing, but this guy is nutso.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by butterfly28


Let's just remember that this could all be untrue. We are all familiar with rumors that are later proven to be just that- rumors. Let's hope this is the case here... [/*]

I agree. How would those people know such details, I wonder. Also, remember the case of Channon Christian and Chris Newsom, all those rumors of their bodies being mutilated were just that, rumors (TG).

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ruby


But WHY lips?? That seems so weird...
we don't even know if this is true though, so i dont know if it is even worth discussing, but this guy is nutso. [/*]

Who knows (if it's true), maybe she bit him?

[omsk99]

Associated Press - February 22, 2008 1:35 PM ET

RENO, Nev. (AP) - Some University of Nevada, Reno police officers have lodge a letter of no confidence against campus police chief Adam Garcia, calling for his termination.

The letter, signed by 10 officers and four sergeants, was delivered this week to university administrators.

Ron Cuzze, president of the association that represents the officers, says the officers complain of being ill equipped and understaffed.

He says at times there are only two officers on duty.

But Garcia says the claims are false.

He says two is the minimum number of officers on duty at any one time.

Considering recent sexual assaults and the kidnapping and killing of 19-year-old Brianna Denison, he says another officer has been added to patrol the campus during certain hours.

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7909968

[ruby]

Originally posted by omsk99


I agree. How would those people know such details, I wonder. Also, remember the case of Channon Christian and Chris Newsom, all those rumors of their bodies being mutilated were just that, rumors (TG). [/*]

I just recently heard about that case, I assumed all that to be true, so thanks for clarifying :)

But with Bri, yah I don't want to believe anything about mutilation. So I wont....she was so pretty and nice.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ruby


I just recently heard about that case, I assumed all that to be true, so thanks for clarifying :)

But with Bri, yah I don't want to believe anything about mutilation. So I wont....she was so pretty and nice. [/*]

Me too :( Did they say on NG last night that she was killed right away? I didn't read it anywhere.

[omsk99]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080222/CARSON/802220409/1003
(ignore the second half of it, it's not related)

http://www.rgj.com/blogs/crime/2008/02/from-fbi.html

~ snip

"Contrary to national news reports, her body was not posed, he said, which experts say would be some sort of signature of a killer.
"There has been a lot of guessing about what happened, and a good portion of it is not accurate," he said. "These speculations are creating a sense of a different individual who we are looking for."

http://www.rgj.com/blogs/crime/2008/02/from-fbi.html

[ruby]

Originally posted by omsk99


Me too :( Did they say on NG last night that she was killed right away? I didn't read it anywhere. [/*]
No her family is speculating this, i think for their own sanity :(

[ruby]

Originally posted by omsk99
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080222/CARSON/802220409/1003
(ignore the second half of it, it's not related)

http://www.rgj.com/blogs/crime/2008/02/from-fbi.html

~ snip

"Contrary to national news reports, her body was not posed, he said, which experts say would be some sort of signature of a killer.
"There has been a lot of guessing about what happened, and a good portion of it is not accurate," he said. "These speculations are creating a sense of a different individual who we are looking for."

http://www.rgj.com/blogs/crime/2008/02/from-fbi.html [/*]

Exactly, all these rumours are skewing our sense of what really happened IMO

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ruby

No her family is speculating this, i think for their own sanity :( [/*]

I hope that's true, and she didn't have to suffer like Meredith for days. I think it would have been too risky to keep her alive for several days, even if he lived alone. I imagine he has to go to work (unlike that POS Hilton), and has neighbors etc.

[ruby]

Originally posted by omsk99


I hope that's true, and she didn't have to suffer like Meredith for days. I think it would have been too risky to keep her alive for several days, even if he lived alone. I imagine he has to go to work (unlike that POS Hilton), and has neighbors etc. [/*]

Yep that's true, she could have been there the whole time (under the snow and such)

[omsk99]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080222/COL6101/802220447/1228/CARSON

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5



If post-mortem mutilation was done such as was done to Elizabeth Short (the Black Dahlia) or the victims of Jack The Ripper, then this man may be evolving into a anger-excitation killer. I can’t get a good handle on him because what the police have released to the press leads me in different directions depending on which story I read. Many of his actions fall into the power-assertive rapist category, but not all. It could be he is changing his MO in a effort to mislead LE, but his signature will not change, but it may evolve or be enhanced over time.

I remember what was said the last time I mentioned the teddy bear but at the risk of getting goofed on again let me throw this out.

This guy does not think like the rest of us. He took the bear. Few things are more indicative of female childhood innocence then a stuffed toy. He left a sexy pair of thong panties, something usually associated with adult female flirtation. Is he trying to tell us; “she may try to look like a innocent, but she is just a s*** like all the rest?”

Ok I have my bullet-proof vest on, fire away. ;) [/*]

Your comments always put a different perspective on things many of us have not thought about and they are ALWAYS appreciated. :)

[omsk99]

Originally posted by butterfly28


Your comments always put a different perspective on things many of us have not thought about and they are ALWAYS appreciated. :) [/*]

ITA! :seeya:

[butterfly28]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080222/SPECIAL01/80222026&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

Reader Rick Davis sent this photo, saying, "I work across the street from IGT. Just about 11:45 today I saw this long line of people coming out of the IGT driveway (a traffic guard stopping traffic) & proceeding down prototype drive to the Memorial for Brianna Denison. They were carrying blue balloons in remembrance of her tragic death. The memorial is only about 2 blocks from the IGT office. This was a very touching scene as I am reminded of how much people really care about what has happened. It effects us all & this is just an additional visual reminder."


I will be at the vigil tonight and the memorial tomorrow. I will let everyone know how it is when I am finished. :rose:

[ruby]

Originally posted by butterfly28
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080222/SPECIAL01/80222026&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

Reader Rick Davis sent this photo, saying, "I work across the street from IGT. Just about 11:45 today I saw this long line of people coming out of the IGT driveway (a traffic guard stopping traffic) & proceeding down prototype drive to the Memorial for Brianna Denison. They were carrying blue balloons in remembrance of her tragic death. The memorial is only about 2 blocks from the IGT office. This was a very touching scene as I am reminded of how much people really care about what has happened. It effects us all & this is just an additional visual reminder."


I will be at the vigil tonight and the memorial tomorrow. I will let everyone know how it is when I am finished. :rose: [/*]


Oh that's great butterfly :) I wish I could be there too! Let us know about it :rose:

[omsk99]

And I believe the vigil is tonight at 6:30, with free transportation.

So many good people out there!

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by omsk99
And I believe the vigil is tonight at 6:30, with free transportation.

So many good people out there! [/*]

Yes, isn't it wonderful that the city buses will be taking people out there? I thought that was very nice of them. They are picking people up from Meadowwood Mall. It is across the street from my office so I am heading over there in about an hour to meet my family to take the buses over to the vigil.

The community support has been amazing... I've never seen anything like it. On a local radio show this morning they dedicated the show to Bri and it was full of people calling in with their prayers for the family. (This went on for hours). Her aunt called in with stories of Bri and talked about how her family was holding up. It was heartbreaking and emotional but this community has pulled together like no other time in the past.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by butterfly28


Yes, isn't it wonderful that the city buses will be taking people out there? I thought that was very nice of them. They are picking people up from Meadowwood Mall. It is across the street from my office so I am heading over there in about an hour to meet my family to take the buses over to the vigil.

The community support has been amazing... I've never seen anything like it. On a local radio show this morning they dedicated the show to Bri and it was full of people calling in with their prayers for the family. (This went on for hours). Her aunt called in with stories of Bri and talked about how her family was holding up. It was heartbreaking and emotional but this community has pulled together like no other time in the past. [/*]

I can imagine, it's so emotional to just read about it :-(

This article about teh vigil just came out:

"Big crowd expected at Reno vigil for victim of serial rapist "

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20080222-1557-nv-serialrapist.html

Please tell us later how the vigil went, I am sure it will be beautiful, just like Brianna was.

:rose:

[ruby]

Originally posted by omsk99


I can imagine, it's so emotional to just read about it :-(

This article about teh vigil just came out:

"Big crowd expected at Reno vigil for victim of serial rapist "

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20080222-1557-nv-serialrapist.html

Please tell us later how the vigil went, I am sure it will be beautiful, just like Brianna was.

:rose: [/*]

No doubt her killer will be there....scouting out another victim! :flamemad:

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ruby


No doubt her killer will be there....scouting out another victim! :flamemad: [/*]

OMG, that is such a scary thought :chicken:

[ruby]

Originally posted by omsk99


OMG, that is such a scary thought :chicken: [/*]

I just think this guy is so brazen....he wouldn't want to miss this :(

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by ruby


No doubt her killer will be there....scouting out another victim! :flamemad: [/*]

Sadly, the may very well be the case...I hope a lot of LE is there too.

[baywench]

Originally posted by ruby


I just think this guy is so brazen....he wouldn't want to miss this :( [/*]

ITA Ruby and you know LE is going to be taping that crowd!

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by omsk99


I can imagine, it's so emotional to just read about it :-(

This article about teh vigil just came out:

"Big crowd expected at Reno vigil for victim of serial rapist "

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20080222-1557-nv-serialrapist.html

Please tell us later how the vigil went, I am sure it will be beautiful, just like Brianna was.

:rose: [/*]

I just got home and you are right... it was absolutely beautiful. The crowd was huge but it felt very united. A couple of people spoke about Bri and asked everyone to please keep this unity going even after there is justice for Bri. Mark Klaas spoke and reminded everyone to please lock their doors. He reiterated the point several times which cannot be said enough.
The memorial for Bri at the site will be there until Wednesday and the search center will remain open until there is justice for Bri.
Some of the organizers told us that the Reno PD have been great since day one.
I am really proud of Reno right now. One of the signs at her memorial said, "You changed a community. You changed a nation. We will never forget you." That one stood out most to me. :rose:
I forgot say that there was a ton of security and police officers. They made quite a presence and I can only imagine how many undercover officers there were.

[butterfly28]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080222/NEWS18/80222042&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28


I just got home and you are right... it was absolutely beautiful. The crowd was huge but it felt very united. A couple of people spoke about Bri and asked everyone to please keep this unity going even after there is justice for Bri. Mark Klaas spoke and reminded everyone to please lock their doors. He reiterated the point several times which cannot be said enough.
The memorial for Bri at the site will be there until Wednesday and the search center will remain open until there is justice for Bri.
Some of the organizers told us that the Reno PD have been great since day one.
I am really proud of Reno right now. One of the signs at her memorial said, "You changed a community. You changed a nation. We will never forget you." That one stood out most to me. :rose:
I forgot say that there was a ton of security and police officers. They made quite a presence and I can only imagine how many undercover officers there were. [/*]

How nice that you got to be there.......that sign is awesome, I love that - and it lets the bas@#ard know that he may have taken her life, but he didn't take the goodness and that his murdering her did result in at least something positive, whether he likes it or not.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by stopthemurde
I can't shake the thought that the killer could have known one or more of the persons living at the house. He went into a home where two men and two women lived (IIRC), there was a dog... how would he have know Bri was on the couch, cold anyone see into the home and from how far away?

The LE says he seems to like petite girls with long hair - how did he know there was anyone like that at the house unless he saw Bri go in? Did either of the other girls fit his type?

He could live very close or have a girlfriend or a friend very close and he was in the neighborhood when Bri came home that night. Or if he had been stalking one of the other girls it was just very unlucky for Bri to be on that couch.

I wonder how the suspect left his blood on the pillow?

Did Bri bite him? Punch him in the nose? Scratch his face or ear?? That person had some kind of wound from that night.

Nobody woke up and the dog did not bark. But I guess the dog was used to hear sounds inside the house at all hours of the day so whatever happened during the kidnap it did not sound suspicious to the dog.

I pray they find this sicko before he tries to do it again.



:rose: Brianna [/*]

It was actually Bri's blood on her pillow, not his. It is so odd that the dog didn't bark - K.T. said the dog barks at everything, including her roommates. I keep thinking there's something more to this, too, than the fact that he just looked in and saw her sleeping - maybe with no blinds or shades and so many windows, he was watching them when they got home, with the lights on, until they went to bed. He may have been lurking when they arrived home and saw her go in....IIRC, they got home around 4? That's his "witching hour."

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by stopthemurde
I can't shake the thought that the killer could have known one or more of the persons living at the house. He went into a home where two men and two women lived (IIRC), there was a dog... how would he have know Bri was on the couch, cold anyone see into the home and from how far away?

The LE says he seems to like petite girls with long hair - how did he know there was anyone like that at the house unless he saw Bri go in? Did either of the other girls fit his type?

He could live very close or have a girlfriend or a friend very close and he was in the neighborhood when Bri came home that night. Or if he had been stalking one of the other girls it was just very unlucky for Bri to be on that couch.

I wonder how the suspect left his blood on the pillow?

Did Bri bite him? Punch him in the nose? Scratch his face or ear?? That person had some kind of wound from that night.

Nobody woke up and the dog did not bark. But I guess the dog was used to hear sounds inside the house at all hours of the day so whatever happened during the kidnap it did not sound suspicious to the dog.

I pray they find this sicko before he tries to do it again.



:rose: Brianna [/*]

Maybe he is stalking them ahead of time if only for a few hours. That would make sense as to how he knew Bri was in there. Or maybe she was still awake walking around and he saw her. On Greta they showed what someone standing on the sidewalk could see and there was a direct view through a glass door. Since we know she was sent a text message to her boyfriend around 4:30am it is possible she was awake.

I too think it is weird about the dog not barking but you are correct in that it was probably use to noise since there were several roommates.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Rosieo


How nice that you got to be there.......that sign is awesome, I love that - and it lets the bas@#ard know that he may have taken her life, but he didn't take the goodness and that his murdering her did result in at least something positive, whether he likes it or not. [/*]

That is a perfect way to explain how Bri's short life was extremely meaningful. She will never be forgotten not only by the residents of Reno but people all over the country who care so much like all of us on these boards.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28


Maybe he is stalking them ahead of time if only for a few hours. That would make sense as to how he knew Bri was in there. Or maybe she was still awake walking around and he saw her. On Greta they showed what someone standing on the sidewalk could see and there was a direct view through a glass door. Since we know she was sent a text message to her boyfriend around 4:30am it is possible she was awake.

I too think it is weird about the dog not barking but you are correct in that it was probably use to noise since there were several roommates. [/*]

When I saw the house on a youtube done by the Associated Press, there were also quite a few windows, front and side, that were uncovered as well - he could very well have been out there watching when they came home. He must have taken her so shortly after she went to sleep, I would think...just guessing - but sunrise is around 6:45, and I would think he'd have wanted to get her and get her out of there long before it got light - and probably get her to wherever he took her while it was still dark - if she went to sleep right after she texted her BF, he must have taken her very shortly after.

I feel bad for her BF - her aunt said they were arguing, breaking up and that he was saying awful things and calling her all kinds of names - which is wrong, of course, but he must feel just horrible :( That's a terrible guilt to be left with.

[duncan]

Brianna:rose:

[Rosieo]

I am really proud of Reno right now.


As well you should be! Ya'll are an inspiration. You're making an awesome impression on the rest of the country. I'm nowhere near there and from all I've read and seen, I'm very, very impressed with the way the entire city has banded together and with the amount of support her family and friends are getting, which is so important. Bri is smiling down from heaven - she would be very proud of her hometown.

[chelle719]

Has anyone thought of the possibility that the killer was already IN the house when the girls arrived home?

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by chelle719
Has anyone thought of the possibility that the killer was already IN the house when the girls arrived home? [/*]

Ohhhhhh that never occurred to me! Good thinking - and possible, since they left the door open all the time. He may not even have planned on taking Brianna - he may have just gone in to sniff and steal undies, heard them pull up, hid, and had his perfect opportunity. But the dog, I think, would have been barking....then again, if he was in there for a bit, the dog would have gotten used to him by the time they got home.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by butterfly28


I just got home and you are right... it was absolutely beautiful. The crowd was huge but it felt very united. A couple of people spoke about Bri and asked everyone to please keep this unity going even after there is justice for Bri. Mark Klaas spoke and reminded everyone to please lock their doors. He reiterated the point several times which cannot be said enough.
The memorial for Bri at the site will be there until Wednesday and the search center will remain open until there is justice for Bri.
Some of the organizers told us that the Reno PD have been great since day one.
I am really proud of Reno right now. One of the signs at her memorial said, "You changed a community. You changed a nation. We will never forget you." That one stood out most to me. :rose:
I forgot say that there was a ton of security and police officers. They made quite a presence and I can only imagine how many undercover officers there were. [/*]

Butterfly28,

That is a beautiful quote, I wish I could tell you that it is true, but I can’t.

Unfortunately most of the country has never heard of Brianna, and never will. A few years back another pretty, smart, outgoing and motivated young woman disappeared not far from her college campus. Her name was Michelle Gardner-Quinn and she was a student at the University of Vermont in Burlington.

Michelle was out drinking with friends(she was 21) but got separated from them. She left the bar and tried to use her cell-phone to contact them but the battery had run down. She made the mistake of asking a nice looking guy she met on the street if she could use his, and vanished into the night. A week later they found her raped and beaten body in a ravine.

Much like Brianna there was a lot of news about Michelle’s disappearance, many said her murder had changed America, and just like the sign at Brianna’s vigil everyone said they would remember her.

How many have? Her family and friends have of course. And the police officers who worked the case will never forget her. Many are still haunted by what they found.

Sadly I suspect if you polled the people at the service you would find that only a handful have ever heard of Michelle. Mark Klaas has, and probably some of the FBI agents. In the crowd there was possibly a true crime reporter or two who remember, but I doubt that all but a handful of the everyday people who were there has ever heard about Michelle.

And that is the terrible shame of it. We spend billions and billions on the war against terror but far less to fight our homegrown terrorist; The drug dealers, pimps, rapists and murders. We have lots of politicians who talk tuff on crime but then we find we need to have bake-sales to raise money to process DNA.

It’s not just Nevada, the state of West Virginia has been backlogged for months trying to get to DNA evidence tested in the murder of Leah Hickman(Leah was a Marshall University student who was murdered last December)

I have no doubt that the students who wrote that message will always remember Brianna, and her murder has changed their lives forever. But what about the rest of the kids across America? Don’t we owe it to them to make sure that they also are aware? Don’t we own it to them to make sure LE has the money, manpower and resources needed to solve crimes?

We can never stop the likes of the man who murdered Brianna from striking. But we sure as hell can do a better job of making people aware, and we must do a better job of giving LE the tools needed to solve crime.

[bred]

So true, M5...and where do we start? Bottom line is always $.

chelle719...that idea was discussed very early and yes, the dog was an issue and the fact that Jessica came home first. She would probably have been the victim if he was hiding in the home.

[gino1234]

not to get off subject but this reminds me of a book i read called the " LUST KILLER" by Ann Rule this book scared the crap out of me and it had me looking out my windows every night. Stalker/rapist/killer

[ruby]

Originally posted by butterfly28


I just got home and you are right... it was absolutely beautiful. The crowd was huge but it felt very united. A couple of people spoke about Bri and asked everyone to please keep this unity going even after there is justice for Bri. Mark Klaas spoke and reminded everyone to please lock their doors. He reiterated the point several times which cannot be said enough.
The memorial for Bri at the site will be there until Wednesday and the search center will remain open until there is justice for Bri.
Some of the organizers told us that the Reno PD have been great since day one.
I am really proud of Reno right now. One of the signs at her memorial said, "You changed a community. You changed a nation. We will never forget you." That one stood out most to me. :rose:
I forgot say that there was a ton of security and police officers. They made quite a presence and I can only imagine how many undercover officers there were. [/*]


That is great news Butterfly :) I wish we all could have been there. :rose:

[Anakerie]

Hundreds gather to honor Denison

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080223/NEWS/802230345/0/NEWS18&theme=DENISON

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Anakerie
Hundreds gather to honor Denison

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080223/NEWS/802230345/0/NEWS18&theme=DENISON [/*]

What an incredible person she was. She had so much more to do here :(

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Butterfly28,

That is a beautiful quote, I wish I could tell you that it is true, but I can’t.

Unfortunately most of the country has never heard of Brianna, and never will. A few years back another pretty, smart, outgoing and motivated young woman disappeared not far from her college campus. Her name was Michelle Gardner-Quinn and she was a student at the University of Vermont in Burlington.

Michelle was out drinking with friends(she was 21) but got separated from them. She left the bar and tried to use her cell-phone to contact them but the battery had run down. She made the mistake of asking a nice looking guy she met on the street if she could use his, and vanished into the night. A week later they found her raped and beaten body in a ravine.

Much like Brianna there was a lot of news about Michelle’s disappearance, many said her murder had changed America, and just like the sign at Brianna’s vigil everyone said they would remember her.

How many have? Her family and friends have of course. And the police officers who worked the case will never forget her. Many are still haunted by what they found.

Sadly I suspect if you polled the people at the service you would find that only a handful have ever heard of Michelle. Mark Klaas has, and probably some of the FBI agents. In the crowd there was possibly a true crime reporter or two who remember, but I doubt that all but a handful of the everyday people who were there has ever heard about Michelle.

And that is the terrible shame of it. We spend billions and billions on the war against terror but far less to fight our homegrown terrorist; The drug dealers, pimps, rapists and murders. We have lots of politicians who talk tuff on crime but then we find we need to have bake-sales to raise money to process DNA.

It’s not just Nevada, the state of West Virginia has been backlogged for months trying to get to DNA evidence tested in the murder of Leah Hickman(Leah was a Marshall University student who was murdered last December)

I have no doubt that the students who wrote that message will always remember Brianna, and her murder has changed their lives forever. But what about the rest of the kids across America? Don’t we owe it to them to make sure that they also are aware? Don’t we own it to them to make sure LE has the money, manpower and resources needed to solve crimes?

We can never stop the likes of the man who murdered Brianna from striking. But we sure as hell can do a better job of making people aware, and we must do a better job of giving LE the tools needed to solve crime. [/*]

Very well put. I do remember Michelle Gardner-Quinn, but ITA, most won't. Kelsey Smith's murder still bothers me, where most, I'm sure, have never heard of her or have forgotten. I'm following the Leah Hickman case (and amazed that not one single word has been put forth by LE). So many of our young people murdered and just tossed out like trash. It's heartbreaking. My husband always says I get way too involved in these cases - I'd much prefer being way too involved and sensitive than indifference. The backlog on DNA, likely in the majority of states, just boggles my mind. There is NO excuse for it.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


And that is the terrible shame of it. We spend billions and billions on the war against terror but far less to fight our homegrown terrorist; The drug dealers, pimps, rapists and murders. We have lots of politicians who talk tuff on crime but then we find we need to have bake-sales to raise money to process DNA.

It’s not just Nevada, the state of West Virginia has been backlogged for months trying to get to DNA evidence tested in the murder of Leah Hickman(Leah was a Marshall University student who was murdered last December)

I have no doubt that the students who wrote that message will always remember Brianna, and her murder has changed their lives forever. But what about the rest of the kids across America? Don’t we owe it to them to make sure that they also are aware? Don’t we own it to them to make sure LE has the money, manpower and resources needed to solve crimes?

We can never stop the likes of the man who murdered Brianna from striking. But we sure as hell can do a better job of making people aware, and we must do a better job of giving LE the tools needed to solve crime. [/*]

Very well said Maelstrom! I often feel very powerless because I feel that we (meaning us on the boards who follow these cases) are in the minority. Even our loved ones cannot understand why we care so much about people we never met. We absolutely owe it to the other kids to make sure LE has what is needed to solve these crimes. What can we do? There must be people lobbying to get more resources. Do you know of any? There are so many people on these boards who care that maybe we can start something that will make a difference.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by silvercoins
This may be a way to deter all of these abductions and killings
if it just wasn't so expensive ... but here goes

If they could have a DNA registry and take and file all the DNA results
of everyone in the USA
- then they would be able to trace who is doing all of these things.

I know there are people that are going to say that the person could get rid
of the DNA with Bleach or whatever, but I highly
doubt that as they would not have a sure way of doing it.

JMO [/*]

It certainly would make sense to make everyone register - even if some got rid of the DNA or left no DNA, it would definitely catch more of them. But then we'd have the problem of overcrowded jails and where to put them. As Butterfly said, if we only had the money going into this war to take care of the mess we have right here at home. :::zipping up flame suit:::

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by silvercoins
This may be a way to deter all of these abductions and killings
if it just wasn't so expensive ... but here goes

If they could have a DNA registry and take and file all the DNA results
of everyone in the USA
- then they would be able to trace who is doing all of these things.

I know there are people that are going to say that the person could get rid
of the DNA with Bleach or whatever, but I highly
doubt that as they would not have a sure way of doing it.

JMO [/*]

Yes expensive and some people feel it violates their rights to have to give their DNA if they have done nothing wrong. Although I don't think this would ever happen I agree it sure would be helpful!

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by silvercoins
Our rights are violated everyday and it is only getting worse ..
believe me I didn't think that this country would or could be in worse shape
then it is now - but when it comes to saving precious lives, I don't think that
you would find a lot of people protesting it - at least the 'Legal - Abiding Citizens' -

We have to do something .. besides it would save us money by not having to
spend so much on 'searching for the perpetrator

.. TOO Many People are being murder everyday and these people doing
it are not even thinking of the consequences or they would not be doing it
.. a alot of precious lives are taken from their loved ones in the mean time.

I am a senior citizen and we didn't have all these killings years ago .. but now
it is only getting worse everyday .. we have to find a way to put an end to it ..

Sorry - but JMO

Peace for the people who live in fear in Reno .. and
RIP Brianna .. :rose: [/*]


I definitely agree with you silvercoins. If you have done nothing wrong you should have no problem giving your DNA.

Something has to be done.

[osubbfan]

Hi everyone…just wanted to join in your conversation. I’m not one who usually spends any time following these types of cases but something about Bri’s abduction and murder has captured my interest, and my heart. First, I want to say that Reno should be proud of how they have responded to this tragedy. It seems like the worst in some of us brings out the best in most of us.
I recall hearing about this case shortly after Bri’s abduction. I can remember wondering how someone could walk into a home and take an adult without anyone hearing anything, especially with a dog that has been said to bark at anything. I tend to think Bri was quickly rendered unconscious. With her friends, and the dog, on the other side of the wall I find it hard to believe that she wouldn’t have kicked, punched, or in some way made some noise if the struggle lasted very long. The perp had rendered one of his victims unconscious by suffocating her but that takes time and Bri could have struggled early on. I have no doubt that he knew there were others in that house. I think he may have punched her hard enough to knock her out. This could account for her blood being on the pillow. One of his punches may have resulted in an injury to his fist (very common) and when he picked her up his hand could have come in contact with the pillow or the couch leaving his DNA behind. This may also explain why the family thinks she was never aware of what was happening to her. Another possibility in regard to how he left DNA at the abduction is he somehow left a hair. I think I read on here that the blanket was found in the kitchen?? If so he may have had that around her and a hair transferred onto it. It fell and he didn’t want to take the time to recover it, as he was carrying Bri at that time. IMO he was set on getting her out of there without being heard or seen and would not have taken the time to sexually assault her there. Why take the chance that she is going to be cooperative with others in the room next to them?
I’m not surprised LE hasn’t caught him yet. These types are the hardest to catch. They pick their victims at least somewhat randomly and have no previous connection with them. I am in mental health and have worked with my share of antisocial personalities. They can be the most charming guys when they want to be. A lack of conscious often keeps them from acting like most of us think they “should� after committing such a horrible act. As hard as it may be to imagine, anyone of us could know this guy and not seriously suspect him. Often they aren’t caught because of the evidence but by some fluke and then the evidence convicts them. It is VERY unlikely that he will stop on his own. Either he will move or lay low for awhile but he will strike again and LE knows it. This guy is only concerned about his own well-being and will do what he has to do to protect himself….and feel entitled doing it. I think the Reno LE have done an amazing job so far with an extremely difficult task.
Sorry for the long post but I wanted to share my thoughts. Interesting discussion you have going on.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by osubbfan
Hi everyone…just wanted to join in your conversation. I’m not one who usually spends any time following these types of cases but something about Bri’s abduction and murder has captured my interest, and my heart. First, I want to say that Reno should be proud of how they have responded to this tragedy. It seems like the worst in some of us brings out the best in most of us.
I recall hearing about this case shortly after Bri’s abduction. I can remember wondering how someone could walk into a home and take an adult without anyone hearing anything, especially with a dog that has been said to bark at anything. I tend to think Bri was quickly rendered unconscious. With her friends, and the dog, on the other side of the wall I find it hard to believe that she wouldn’t have kicked, punched, or in some way made some noise if the struggle lasted very long. The perp had rendered one of his victims unconscious by suffocating her but that takes time and Bri could have struggled early on. I have no doubt that he knew there were others in that house. I think he may have punched her hard enough to knock her out. This could account for her blood being on the pillow. One of his punches may have resulted in an injury to his fist (very common) and when he picked her up his hand could have come in contact with the pillow or the couch leaving his DNA behind. This may also explain why the family thinks she was never aware of what was happening to her. Another possibility in regard to how he left DNA at the abduction is he somehow left a hair. I think I read on here that the blanket was found in the kitchen?? If so he may have had that around her and a hair transferred onto it. It fell and he didn’t want to take the time to recover it, as he was carrying Bri at that time. IMO he was set on getting her out of there without being heard or seen and would not have taken the time to sexually assault her there. Why take the chance that she is going to be cooperative with others in the room next to them?
I’m not surprised LE hasn’t caught him yet. These types are the hardest to catch. They pick their victims at least somewhat randomly and have no previous connection with them. I am in mental health and have worked with my share of antisocial personalities. They can be the most charming guys when they want to be. A lack of conscious often keeps them from acting like most of us think they “should� after committing such a horrible act. As hard as it may be to imagine, anyone of us could know this guy and not seriously suspect him. Often they aren’t caught because of the evidence but by some fluke and then the evidence convicts them. It is VERY unlikely that he will stop on his own. Either he will move or lay low for awhile but he will strike again and LE knows it. This guy is only concerned about his own well-being and will do what he has to do to protect himself….and feel entitled doing it. I think the Reno LE have done an amazing job so far with an extremely difficult task.
Sorry for the long post but I wanted to share my thoughts. Interesting discussion you have going on. [/*]

Hi - it's nice to meet you - I'm new here, too. This has been my thought from the beginning, that he either punched her or hit her in the head with something to immediately render her unconscious. It breaks my heart to think she woke up and found herself in a nightmare. I'd like to think he raped and killed her while she was still unconscious, but I know that's unlikely - that wouldn't be "fun" for him. I hadn't heard that the blanket was found in the kitchen. It's odd that he would go to the kitchen, the door is just feet away from the couch, why would he wander around carrying her instead of right out the door? I think also the focus on his leaving his DNA, people are thinking of "large" DNA - a hair, a drop of blood - it could have been something extremely minute, even a microscopic flake of skin.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by osubbfan
Hi everyone…just wanted to join in your conversation. I’m not one who usually spends any time following these types of cases but something about Bri’s abduction and murder has captured my interest, and my heart. First, I want to say that Reno should be proud of how they have responded to this tragedy. It seems like the worst in some of us brings out the best in most of us.
I recall hearing about this case shortly after Bri’s abduction. I can remember wondering how someone could walk into a home and take an adult without anyone hearing anything, especially with a dog that has been said to bark at anything. I tend to think Bri was quickly rendered unconscious. With her friends, and the dog, on the other side of the wall I find it hard to believe that she wouldn’t have kicked, punched, or in some way made some noise if the struggle lasted very long. The perp had rendered one of his victims unconscious by suffocating her but that takes time and Bri could have struggled early on. I have no doubt that he knew there were others in that house. I think he may have punched her hard enough to knock her out. This could account for her blood being on the pillow. One of his punches may have resulted in an injury to his fist (very common) and when he picked her up his hand could have come in contact with the pillow or the couch leaving his DNA behind. This may also explain why the family thinks she was never aware of what was happening to her. Another possibility in regard to how he left DNA at the abduction is he somehow left a hair. I think I read on here that the blanket was found in the kitchen?? If so he may have had that around her and a hair transferred onto it. It fell and he didn’t want to take the time to recover it, as he was carrying Bri at that time. IMO he was set on getting her out of there without being heard or seen and would not have taken the time to sexually assault her there. Why take the chance that she is going to be cooperative with others in the room next to them?
I’m not surprised LE hasn’t caught him yet. These types are the hardest to catch. They pick their victims at least somewhat randomly and have no previous connection with them. I am in mental health and have worked with my share of antisocial personalities. They can be the most charming guys when they want to be. A lack of conscious often keeps them from acting like most of us think they “should� after committing such a horrible act. As hard as it may be to imagine, anyone of us could know this guy and not seriously suspect him. Often they aren’t caught because of the evidence but by some fluke and then the evidence convicts them. It is VERY unlikely that he will stop on his own. Either he will move or lay low for awhile but he will strike again and LE knows it. This guy is only concerned about his own well-being and will do what he has to do to protect himself….and feel entitled doing it. I think the Reno LE have done an amazing job so far with an extremely difficult task.
Sorry for the long post but I wanted to share my thoughts. Interesting discussion you have going on. [/*]

Welcome and great post. :seeya: :

Much of what you said is what I also believed happened. It has been speculated that he left his blood at the house she was abducted from but I believe LE only said DNA which could be hair. Her blood was found mixed with mucus and I thought bloody nose possibly from a punch like you described.
I too think he took her quickly knowing they were not alone.

Terrifying that there are people out there with such a lack of conscious.

Thanks again for joining the discussion.
:)

[Anakerie]

Reno has more than just Brianna's killer to worry about... I just stumbled on this report:

Inmate on run tied to Sparks door kick theft
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080223/NEWS18/80223015

LE thinks the guy is in the Reno/Sparks area still. Scary!!

[wandering]

Originally posted by Anakerie
Reno has more than just Brianna's killer to worry about... I just stumbled on this report:

Inmate on run tied to Sparks door kick theft
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080223/NEWS18/80223015

LE thinks the guy is in the Reno/Sparks area still. Scary!! [/*]Isn't he a mean-looking booger. :chicken:

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by wandering
Isn't he a mean-looking booger. :chicken: [/*]

I thought the same thing when I saw the picture...
:chicken:

[duncan]

Originally posted by silvercoins
This may be a way to deter all of these abductions and killings
if it just wasn't so expensive ... but here goes

If they could have a DNA registry and take and file all the DNA results
of everyone in the USA
- then they would be able to trace who is doing all of these things.

I know there are people that are going to say that the person could get rid
of the DNA with Bleach or whatever, but I highly
doubt that as they would not have a sure way of doing it.

JMO [/*]


When I was born my foot print was taken and put on the birth certificate, I see a time coming when every baby born will have a DNA swab talken and put into a data base, I would give a sample freely if it would help solve any crime.

[duncan]

Originally posted by butterfly28


Welcome and great post. :seeya: :

Much of what you said is what I also believed happened. It has been speculated that he left his blood at the house she was abducted from but I believe LE only said DNA which could be hair. Her blood was found mixed with mucus and I thought bloody nose possibly from a punch like you described.
I too think he took her quickly knowing they were not alone.

Terrifying that there are people out there with such a lack of conscious.

Thanks again for joining the discussion.
:) [/*]


I think there are many killers out and wanting to kill again, very disturbing. omo

[Rosieo]

I wish they could find a way to up the reward money :( Money is a great motivator - for people who may not otherwise come forward either because of fear or because they just don't have the morals or they don't want to "get involved" - and it's an especially great motivator for other lowlifes who may know this lowlife and know what he's done. When bucks are involved, they'll turn on each other in a heartbeat. It's so frustrating, knowing that someone HAS to know something. Even if he doesn't live in Reno, if he travels, SOMEONE has seen him wearing the clothing described or knows someone who generally fits his description. Someone has a significant other or husband who owns a shirt and pants like that and has his genital area shaved. Although if that's the case, putting myself in the woman's position, she may never come forward. If my husband owned clothing that fits the description and shaved his genital area (he doesn't! LOL) I would laugh at myself for being totally paranoid at any thought that it could be him, it's so far out of the realm of possibility in my mind....and this may well be what whomever may know something is thinking. I have a feeling we'll all be completely shocked when they do catch him and that he isn't a lowlife at all, but possibly a very well respected member of the community.

[butterfly28]

The memorial tonight was incredible and could not have been more touching. Thankfully those protesters (WBC) were not very noticeable :rolleyes: yet the counter demonstrators there to work against those creeps were highly visible.

The weather was bad as it had been snowing for hours but it did not seem to keep people from attending. I have never seen so much blue in my life!!

Here are some new articles from the local paper about the memorial. They describe it nicely.

Mark Klass spoke about Bri's Law and other laws that need to be passed requiring more criminals to submit DNA and to require the government to pay for it instead of citizens. Like Maelstorm mentioned earlier, we need to do something for these kids and I think this could be the answer. Klass says to write your local and national government to lobby for these bills to be written and passed. I am going to look into these tomorrow and will post any information on what we can do to help.

Thousands remember Brianna

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080223/NEWS18/80223041&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews


Anti-gay church pickets Denison service

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080223/NEWS18/80223040&theme=DENISON


2,000 gather for Denison memorial

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080223/NEWS18/80223036&theme=DENISON


Denison thought of other people first, friends say

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080223/NEWS/802230343/0/NEWS18&theme=DENISON



:rose: Bri

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28
The memorial tonight was incredible and could not have been more touching. Thankfully those protesters (WBC) were not very noticeable :rolleyes: yet the counter demonstrators there to work against those creeps were highly visible.

The weather was bad as it had been snowing for hours but it did not seem to keep people from attending. I have never seen so much blue in my life!!

Here are some new articles from the local paper about the memorial. They describe it nicely.

Mark Klass spoke about Bri's Law and other laws that need to be passed requiring more criminals to submit DNA and to require the government to pay for it instead of citizens. Like Maelstorm mentioned earlier, we need to do something for these kids and I think this could be the answer. Klass says to write your local and national government to lobby for these bills to be written and passed. I am going to look into these tomorrow and will post any information on what we can do to help.

Thousands remember Brianna

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080223/NEWS18/80223041&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews


Anti-gay church pickets Denison service

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:rose: Bri [/*]

Thank you for the update....I've been checking back to hear first hand how it was. It's done now and Bri is at peace. No-one can ever hurt her again. It just makes me sick to know that the guy was probably watching somehow and taking a sick joy in what he's done and the pain he's caused. The *#$tard's claim to fame. I hope he's caught soon, but I can't think of a punishment that would be bad enough to be fitting - unless we let someone beat him, rape him, strangle him and leave him in a field. Bri got a proper sendoff to heaven, now the next step is to send him to hell.

[Maelstrom5]

"Now the next step is to send him to hell."

I second that Rosieo. No matter what we do to this guy when he is apprehended it will pale in comparison to what awaits him in the afterlife. And that punishment.. Lasts For Eternity!

For Bri :rose:

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Bri got a proper sendoff to heaven, now the next step is to send him to hell. [/*]


Yes it is. He WILL be caught and sent to hell someday (hopefully soon!) while Bri will always be our angel!! :rose:

[butterfly28]

We still need to keep talking about Bri as much as possible because we still have to find her killer. He now needs to be our focus.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28
We still need to keep talking about Bri as much as possible because we still have to find her killer. He now needs to be our focus. [/*]

I agree. I hope people don't forget. I hope the memory of what he did doesn't fade and that people keep this alive - he needs to be caught. It will fade now into the background of our national news, we can't let it fade in our hearts. Here in Ohio, there's been nothing at all recently......not even about the thongs that were found. I've been getting all my info online. They should show those thongs on every single news station, at least one time - the owner of them, if she's alive, could be anywhere.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28



Yes it is. He WILL be caught and sent to hell someday (hopefully soon!) while Bri will always be our angel!! :rose: [/*]

I hope he is, before he can hurt anyone else. He won't last very much longer before needing to do it again. I don't think killing Bri scared him or will make him stop, Sadly, I think it likely incited him to want more.