Nicholas Francisco 28, Seattle, 2-13-08 (car found) [Archive]

starling

02-19-2008, 10:41 AM

update snips~

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351811_missing19.html?source=mypi
Investigators do not know of any connection between the condo community and Nicholas Francisco, whose disappearance is considered suspicious by authorities, Urquhart said. "There's still no evidence of foul play," Urquhart said. "But we don't know what happened to him."......... After meeting with a detective, dozens of volunteers went door-to-door in the complex Monday evening, asking residents if they had seen Francisco or knew anything about the car parked there, family friend Autumn Brown said......... Authorities plan to search nearby wooded areas Tuesday.......... "Even if he needed a break, he would call and tell me that. We are his life, we are the center of his life," she said....... Francisco typically goes straight home after work. "He is a very cheerful guy, he is really mellow, there were no signs of depression...

starling

02-20-2008, 08:27 PM

Search for missing Seattle man reaches YouTube
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/thebigblog/archives/132312.asp?from=blog_last3

ruby

02-21-2008, 11:24 AM

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/thebigblog/archives/132312.asp?from=blog_last3

Nicholas Francisco's red 1992 Toyota Paseo hatchback was found parked at a condo in Federal Way Monday. But one week after he went missing, the father of two has not come home -- and the search continues.

ruby

02-21-2008, 11:25 AM

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/northwest/story/326620.html

The 28-year-old disappeared Wednesday after leaving his job at a Seattle advertising agency. He typically goes straight home. His wife, Christine Francisco, says he wouldn't leave her and their two young children this long without an explanation.

ruby

02-21-2008, 11:25 AM

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004191118_missingman20m.html

Francisco, 28, disappeared last Wednesday after leaving his job at a Queen Anne advertising agency. He had planned to stop at Costco to run an errand before coming home to his pregnant wife, Christine, and their two small children.

"Nicholas is a family man; he is really committed to all of his family," his sister-in-law, Janel Fox of Seattle, said Tuesday. "We're still maintaining hope. We're waiting to bring him home."

The King County Sheriff's Office has several detectives tracking down leads in Francisco's disappearance, spokesman John Urquhart said.

On Monday, Francisco's red 1992 Toyota Paseo was found abandoned outside the Heritage Condominiums at 123 S. 340th St. in Federal Way.

Detectives found nothing inside the car that indicated foul play or that pointed to Francisco's whereabouts, Urquhart said. Deputies, as well as the missing man's friends and family, searched areas near the condo building after the vehicle was found.

Sunshinedreem

02-21-2008, 11:26 AM

Could that possibly be this person? I saw the link on another website. Here is the post I found.

http://www.bookcrossing.com/forum/5/5163755

Also, here is a missing persons poster for him. The age and location is correct but the date he went missing seems to be a few days before yours. The flier says he disappeared on 2/13/08. If it's not the same person feel free to delete this.

The flier:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/elinopus/2279333336/in/pool-candle-of-support

ruby

02-21-2008, 11:26 AM

Sad! Where could he be....there's lots of info out there on this guy. :rose:

dulcinea

02-21-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Sunshinedreem
Could that possibly be this person? I saw the link on another website. Here is the post I found.

http://www.bookcrossing.com/forum/5/5163755

Also, here is a missing persons poster for him. The age and location is correct but the date he went missing seems to be a few days before yours. The flier says he disappeared on 2/13/08. If it's not the same person feel free to delete this.

The flier:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/elinopus/2279333336/in/pool-candle-of-support [/*]

Yes, that is the same person. His wife was on TV last night. I think it was Greta, but I'm not positive. Nicholas was last heard from the day before Valentine's Day. He called his wife from work to say he'd be home soon. He told his daughter they would make Valentine's cookies together and he never made it home. Supposedly he told his wife his cell phone battery died while he was at work. Police don't believe he ever made it to the store he was going to stop at on his way home from work.

ruby

02-21-2008, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by dulcinea

Yes, that is the same person. His wife was on TV last night. I think it was Greta, but I'm not positive. Nicholas was last heard from the day before Valentine's Day. He called his wife from work to say he'd be home soon. He told his daughter they would make Valentine's cookies together and he never made it home. Supposedly he told his wife his cell phone battery died while he was at work. Police don't believe he ever made it to the store he was going to stop at on his way home from work. [/*]

It is very strange that a man would be abducted. I wonder what could have happened to him. :(

ruby

02-21-2008, 02:29 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html

Police Believe Missing Dad Took Off or Became Victim of Random Crime

starling

02-21-2008, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by ruby
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html

Police Believe Missing Dad Took Off or Became Victim of Random Crime [/*]

:(
His pregnant wife was on Greta last night and that was the sadest thing to watch. I hope he took a break and will be back home soon.

omsk99

02-21-2008, 05:49 PM

Unfortunately, I do not think he left voluntarily - why would he leave his car behind?.. I do hope he is safe somewhere and will come home soon

:rose:

wondering?

02-21-2008, 06:33 PM

It was so sad to see his wife on Greta last night. You could see how much she loves her man and how much she believes that he would not just take off.

She said he told her that his cell phone was not working. Wonder if anyone has found his cell phone or if he left it at work.

Hope for the best here and maybe he will come home safely!

ruby

02-21-2008, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by wondering?
It was so sad to see his wife on Greta last night. You could see how much she loves her man and how much she believes that he would not just take off.

She said he told her that his cell phone was not working. Wonder if anyone has found his cell phone or if he left it at work.

Hope for the best here and maybe he will come home safely! [/*]

I believe I read she was pregnant too....gee whiz, this can't be good for her health :(

omsk99

02-21-2008, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by ruby

I believe I read she was pregnant too....gee whiz, this can't be good for her health :( [/*]

I think I read she just found out she was pregnant :(

jtazzy

02-21-2008, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by omsk99
Unfortunately, I do not think he left voluntarily - why would he leave his car behind?.. I do hope he is safe somewhere and will come home soon

:rose: [/*]

:shrug: He could have if he was really into debt or was in some kind of trouble. I really hope that is the case and not something happened to him...

omsk99

02-21-2008, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by jtazzy

:shrug: He could have if he was really into debt or was in some kind of trouble. I really hope that is the case and not something happened to him... [/*]

True, he might have left his car there so they couldn't trace him by his license plate.

starling

02-21-2008, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by jtazzy

:shrug: He could have if he was really into debt or was in some kind of trouble. I really hope that is the case and not something happened to him... [/*]

He told her his cell was not working and his car was found locked. These seem possibly in line with him knowing he was going to be out of touch and wanted her not to worry, the car to be safe. Him telling her the 'signing off on something' part,that's troubling. His wife in retrospect found the statement odd.
He looks like such a nice,nice guy.
I sure hope he comes home soon.

His wife is expecting early October I read.

Nen

02-21-2008, 11:35 PM

Well let's hope he did just take off. It would be horrible for his wife and kids, but at least he would be safe that way. Too many bad things happen to people these days. It's so scary that someone can just vanish off the face of the earth and many times never be heard from again.

Nellie

02-22-2008, 12:27 AM

starling

02-22-2008, 03:05 AM

this is a forum where the wife (supposidly) posts:
http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5480605

info,links,updates there & wonderful support

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 07:45 AM

The article said he would be home to bake Valentines cookies with his daughter, but the wife didn't report him missing until bedtime. I understand if she thought he was tied up at work (it happens to all of us), but surely the little girl would have been bugging the mom about baking the cookies with Daddy. Did she try to call him earlier but was unable to reach him?

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 08:54 AM

Originally posted by LNL
Well, I might be in the minority here, but I have a feeling he took off on his own. Maybe too much pressure with 2 little kids and one on the way and a wife who might want everything to be perfect. Just a feeling I have after watching Greta last night and reading the links. JMO [/*]

I hope he didn't just take off either, but then again it might be better than the alternative. I speak from experience that it does happen. Years ago my older sister was married - they had a one year old baby - they were a beautiful couple with a beautiful life. She was getting the baby ready for all of them to go shopping - he said he needed to run get some cigarettes and he never came back. He went straight to his girlfriends. In no way shape form or fashion am I suggesting this is the case here, but it is something that needs to be looked into so they can rule it out.

wondering?

02-22-2008, 10:39 AM

I was hoping that I would read this am that he has been found and that he is safe!

Oh how I hope that he returns to that beautiful family.

I understand his wife waiting to call police, am sure she thought that he was held up at the office or the store. Speaking from experience,I know that some men do not always come home at the same time every night and do not call to say they are going to be late.
Sad, but True!

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by wondering?
I was hoping that I would read this am that he has been found and that he is safe!

Oh how I hope that he returns to that beautiful family.

I understand his wife waiting to call police, am sure she thought that he was held up at the office or the store. Speaking from experience,I know that some men do not always come home at the same time every night and do not call to say they are going to be late.
Sad, but True! [/*]

Thats true - I was just wondering if she had tried and couldn't reach him at work or on his cell. It might help narrow down the timeline of when he was last at work.

starling

02-22-2008, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thats true - I was just wondering if she had tried and couldn't reach him at work or on his cell. It might help narrow down the timeline of when he was last at work. [/*]

the cell -
He last spoke with his wife from his work phone...on Greta the wife said his cell was not working.
http://www.komotv.com/news/15682797.html
She said that deputies also have beeen pinging his cell phone, but have gotten no response. Nicholas' co-workers say his cell phone batteries were dead on his last day at work.

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 11:02 AM

Thanks Starling - I wonder if there are any video cams at his place of employment or at the public storage place where he was reported to have been seen.

starling

02-22-2008, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Thanks Starling - I wonder if there are any video cams at his place of employment or at the public storage place where he was reported to have been seen. [/*]

YW. I hope so.

huskiki

02-22-2008, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by LNL
Well, I might be in the minority here, but I have a feeling he took off on his own. Maybe too much pressure with 2 little kids and one on the way and a wife who might want everything to be perfect. Just a feeling I have after watching Greta last night and reading the links. JMO [/*]

I'm with you. I think that with the 3rd child on the way and the wife, the pressure might have been building. When the wife said he would never leave the children or her, that they are his life, and reading that he comes straight home from work, it sounds like she might be a bit overbearing. JMO! Men are under pressure too.

ruby

02-22-2008, 11:16 AM

This is just so sad...i really hope he is ok. :rose:

huskiki

02-22-2008, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I hope he didn't just take off either, but then again it might be better than the alternative. I speak from experience that it does happen. Years ago my older sister was married - they had a one year old baby - they were a beautiful couple with a beautiful life. She was getting the baby ready for all of them to go shopping - he said he needed to run get some cigarettes and he never came back. He went straight to his girlfriends. In no way shape form or fashion am I suggesting this is the case here, but it is something that needs to be looked into so they can rule it out. [/*]

I think it's the better alternative too. And after reading about your sisters story it got me to thinking. The car was found in a condo complex. They said they knocked on doors and nobody knew of him or saw him. IF he's in hiding then whoever he is with isn't about to say "yeah, he's in here". Maybe he has a girlfriend on the side at this complex. This is just a thought, I'm not accusing.

butterfly28

02-22-2008, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

It's a possibility. I know his wife doesn't think it's possible, but how many times have we heard that and then it's discovered that the person was leading a "double life". Anything is possible at this point. Hoping he is safe, though. [/*]

You took the words right out of my mouth. I hope he did need some time away and was not the victim of foul play.

:rose:

gino1234

02-22-2008, 12:04 PM

The wifes interview last night on Nancy Grace seem alittle strang to me. Thw wife seemed to sure of herself. And she turned the water works on and off. I Hope Im wrong...... :confused:

huskiki

02-22-2008, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by gino1234
The wifes interview last night on Nancy Grace seem alittle strang to me. Thw wife seemed to sure of herself. And she turned the water works on and off. I Hope Im wrong...... :confused: [/*]

I missed Nancy's interview but I saw Greta's a couple of nights ago. When Greta asked if there was a possibility of her husband leaving on his own the wife almost seemed insulted. Then she started with "He would never...".

There are just so many people missing these days. I think we've seen so many that we can begin to categorize them when we first hear the story. Is that bad?

I hope Nicholas is found safe :rose:

gino1234

02-22-2008, 12:32 PM

She had a lot of details about his movements of that day he comes up missing. jmo its a gut feeling I really hope I'm wrong.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/21/ng.01.html

Something is to perfect about this girl. She never asks for her husband to come home or for anyone with info to call.

shelkobe

02-22-2008, 12:33 PM

The wife seemed to sure of herself.

Yeah, but so too did Laci Peterson's parents/brother when Scott was first put under the microscope. They thought it was ridiculous to even speculate about him, because they had so much confidence that they really knew him and his character. And they turned out to be wrong. My point is that someone being confident in this type of situation is not suspicious, at least to me.

ruby

02-22-2008, 12:45 PM

call me crazy, but i dont feel the wife is suspicious or a part of this at all. :shrug:

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 12:56 PM

FRANCISCO: You`re right. He wouldn`t do this. Even if he was 15 minutes late in traffic, he would call me. He loves us more than anything and would do anything to get home to us and you`re right. He has no history of anything or any behavior, anything that would lead him to just disappear. (taken from NG transcript)

This is what I was asking about earlier. The wife knows he is coming home to bake cookies with their daughter - she even says above that he always calls if he is going to be late, so why wouldn't didn't she think it odd that she had not heard from him before bedtime. I'm not trying to imply anything here - just trying to sort out this timeline which does not make sense to ME. Maybe it does to everyone else.

Sunshinedreem

02-22-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
FRANCISCO: You`re right. He wouldn`t do this. Even if he was 15 minutes late in traffic, he would call me. He loves us more than anything and would do anything to get home to us and you`re right. He has no history of anything or any behavior, anything that would lead him to just disappear. (taken from NG transcript)

This is what I was asking about earlier. The wife knows he is coming home to bake cookies with their daughter - she even says above that he always calls if he is going to be late, so why wouldn't didn't she think it odd that she had not heard from him before bedtime. I'm not trying to imply anything here - just trying to sort out this timeline which does not make sense to ME. Maybe it does to everyone else. [/*]

Is it possible she tried calling around to find him first? She knew his cell phone was dead, so maybe she thought he just couldn't get ahold of her to tell her where he was. My first reaction in that situation would be to call family, friends, co workers etc and then probably local hospitals to see if he had been held up somewhere or in an accident.

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Sunshinedreem

Is it possible she tried calling around to find him first? She knew his cell phone was dead, so maybe she thought he just couldn't get ahold of her to tell her where he was. My first reaction in that situation would be to call family, friends, co workers etc and then probably local hospitals to see if he had been held up somewhere or in an accident. [/*]

True - I was thinking that if he had been delayed at work that he would have called before he left. So that means he probably left within minutes of his last call with her.

Track292003

02-22-2008, 03:01 PM

I think Nicholas was under a lot of pressure, particularly with the third child on the way.

It appears that he was very good to his wife, getting up every day with the children, fixing their breakfast, and bringing his wife coffee in bed.

Another thought: Something makes me think that the cookie-making plan was thought up in their phone conversations that day -- he had to stop at Costco to get sugar. Perhaps the 4-year-old didn't know about the plan so would not clamor to get started.

Also, his wife indicated that she had talked to him throughout the day, which is something his employer might not be too happy about.

It's clear that his cell phone had run out of juice by the time he left work, so she couldn't have reached him on his way home unless he had a phone-charging system in his car -- and used it! Why she waited until 10 to call police, I have no idea.

It just seems to me that he was on a short leash.

All of this is MOO.

Any ideas?

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 03:10 PM

You bring up a very good point about the phone charger - I wonder if he did have one in the car. My cell phone is usually low on juice but I always put it in the car charger on my way home from work.

ruby

02-22-2008, 03:53 PM

The thing is, there is no way I would call the police if my BF didn't come home when expected (that's his kind of job though, unexpected/on call)....but several times he's said i'll be home at this time, and he's not....i wait an hour, try the cell, no answer, keep doing this for hours sometimes...I don't think it's odd that she waited that long to contact the police. Im sure she was kind of P'd off thinking he ditched them to go out with friends or something...

huskiki

02-22-2008, 04:00 PM

UGH!!! I posted a comment and then got booted.

You guys have to check this out (the comments that is):

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5807#comment-116527

Also, I think his wife has a business, not that that means anything.

http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5008691

http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5588252

omsk99

02-22-2008, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
UGH!!! I posted a comment and then got booted.

You guys have to check this out (the comments that is):

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5807#comment-116527

Also, I think his wife has a business, not that that means anything.

http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5008691

http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5588252 [/*]

huskiki, whose comment are you referring to from the first link?

huskiki

02-22-2008, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

huskiki, whose comment are you referring to from the first link? [/*]

All of them :) They seem to have different scenarios. There might have been financial troubles. There's unfounded reports of antoher missing man from the same area and timeframe. Just an interesting read.

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by ruby
The thing is, there is no way I would call the police if my BF didn't come home when expected (that's his kind of job though, unexpected/on call)....but several times he's said i'll be home at this time, and he's not....i wait an hour, try the cell, no answer, keep doing this for hours sometimes...I don't think it's odd that she waited that long to contact the police. Im sure she was kind of P'd off thinking he ditched them to go out with friends or something... [/*]

I was just basing it on her interviews - he never goes out with friends, never does anything on his own, and calls if he will be so much as 15 minutes late.

omsk99

02-22-2008, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

All of them :) They seem to have different scenarios. There might have been financial troubles. There's unfounded reports of antoher missing man from the same area and timeframe. Just an interesting read. [/*]

Yes, I read them all. I saw that Christine posted there once, too.

omsk99

02-22-2008, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I was just basing it on her interviews - he never goes out with friends, never does anything on his own, and calls if he will be so much as 15 minutes late. [/*]

I am thinking she knew his cell was off (for example, I don't have a car charger), and she couldn't reach him. It would be odd to call police right away, even if he was two hours late - his car might have broken down, he was stuck in traffic, etc. I don't really see anything suspicious about the wife. JMO

huskiki

02-22-2008, 04:26 PM

Here's a link from a church that Nicholas used to belong to:

http://voxpopnetwork.com/westseattle/2008/02/17/urgent-message-regarding-nicholas-francisco/

ruby

02-22-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I was just basing it on her interviews - he never goes out with friends, never does anything on his own, and calls if he will be so much as 15 minutes late. [/*]

Hmm I see what you're saying, but I still wouldn't call the police, that's the last people I'd call, as I wouldn't want to start something big if it was nothing....I would call friends/family...I think she called them at a good time. JMO of course..

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by ruby

Hmm I see what you're saying, but I still wouldn't call the police, that's the last people I'd call, as I wouldn't want to start something big if it was nothing....I would call friends/family...I think she called them at a good time. JMO of course.. [/*]

Thanks Ruby - I feel like I've been speaking a foreign language today lol. I would not call the cops either, but seeing as how it seemed he was Johnny on the Spot according to her, AND he was supposed to bake cookies with the daughter, I thought waiting til bedtime was a little late to become worried. We don't know her bedtime though - maybe it was relatively early. I am not trying to imply anything about the wife - just trying to make the situation fit with the interviews :) I'm too literal sometimes.

huskiki

02-22-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thanks Ruby - I feel like I've been speaking a foreign language today lol. I would not call the cops either, but seeing as how it seemed he was Johnny on the Spot according to her, AND he was supposed to bake cookies with the daughter, I thought waiting til bedtime was a little late to become worried. We don't know her bedtime though - maybe it was relatively early. I am not trying to imply anything about the wife - just trying to make the situation fit with the interviews :) I'm too literal sometimes. [/*]

Good point about not knowing her bedtime. Mine is late but normal people retire early.

However, it seems as if he was predictible to say the least. One would think that she would have contacted LE within an hour of him not showing when she thought he would. IMO

ruby

02-22-2008, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thanks Ruby - I feel like I've been speaking a foreign language today lol. I would not call the cops either, but seeing as how it seemed he was Johnny on the Spot according to her, AND he was supposed to bake cookies with the daughter, I thought waiting til bedtime was a little late to become worried. We don't know her bedtime though - maybe it was relatively early. I am not trying to imply anything about the wife - just trying to make the situation fit with the interviews :) I'm too literal sometimes. [/*]

hehe oh for sure, it's all about hashing out different scenarios, but this time i just dont think the wifey was involved. Sometimes when things seems too perfect, they seem embellished too, so I can see why people are suspicious for sure :)

ruby

02-22-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Good point about not knowing her bedtime. Mine is late but normal people retire early.

However, it seems as if he was predictible to say the least. One would think that she would have contacted LE within an hour of him not showing when she thought he would. IMO [/*]

Would you really call LE if your SO was an hour late? I would call friends and family at that time to express my concern.....
just curious as to know when you all would contact LE if someone was missing....
Honestly, i'd probably go to bed, worried, if it was like 3am i'd probably call then. Maybe it's just my lifestyle, and how my BF works and how he is. :shrug:

huskiki

02-22-2008, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by ruby

Would you really call LE if your SO was an hour late? I would call friends and family at that time to express my concern.....
just curious as to know when you all would contact LE if someone was missing....
Honestly, i'd probably go to bed, worried, if it was like 3am i'd probably call then. Maybe it's just my lifestyle, and how my BF works and how he is. :shrug: [/*]

I, myself, do not know what I would do. If I was Christine, I would think I would be contacting LE. She seems to know is every move. IMO/JMO

It depends on the person I guess. I wouldn't go to bed if I knew my boyfriend or husband or whomever was on his way home and didn't show up. Unless of course they were known to do that from time to time.

carterkatt

02-22-2008, 05:04 PM

I would wait about an hour.. (if my hubby was like him... calling if 15 mins late - which mine is! He knows I WORRY!) then try and drive the route and see if I saw my hubby broken down, or in an accident, etc. I would then call police and ask if there were any accidents involving his car and give them his plate #. She most likely knew the exact route he would take.

I would call Costco and have him paged.

Then, if still nothing after that... I would call LE with concerns about him missing.

ruby

02-22-2008, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by carterkatt
I would wait about an hour.. (if my hubby was like him... calling if 15 mins late - which mine is! He knows I WORRY!) then try and drive the route and see if I saw my hubby broken down, or in an accident, etc. I would then call police and ask if there were any accidents involving his car and give them his plate #. She most likely knew the exact route he would take.

I would call Costco and have him paged.

Then, if still nothing after that... I would call LE with concerns about him missing. [/*]

Wow you guys are thorough!
I have thought of driving the route when my BF was late, but just waited it out. I feel nervous calling the police if my BF is late, maybe */c he's late a lot. I guess we're all different.

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 05:11 PM

Years ago Ruby I could have been missing for hours without being reported gone. I was on call 24/7 and had to tend to technical equipment at all hours of the night. I think it depends on the lifestyle. Right now my schedule is predictable - if I'm not where I should be, my family would become worried immediately. As for husband - same thing. He gets off work at a certain time, calls at certain times of the day and anything out of the ordinary would send up my radar pretty quick.

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by carterkatt
I would wait about an hour.. (if my hubby was like him... calling if 15 mins late - which mine is! He knows I WORRY!) then try and drive the route and see if I saw my hubby broken down, or in an accident, etc. I would then call police and ask if there were any accidents involving his car and give them his plate #. She most likely knew the exact route he would take.

I would call Costco and have him paged.

Then, if still nothing after that... I would call LE with concerns about him missing. [/*]

Thats pretty much what I would do also - I read too much on these boards to be close to normal anymore LOL.

huskiki

02-22-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thats pretty much what I would do also - I read too much on these boards to be close to normal anymore LOL. [/*]

Hi RainyNiteNTx,

I think you just hit the nail right on the head!!! How can we be normal after following all of these missing person cases?

omsk99

02-22-2008, 05:16 PM

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hi RainyNiteNTx,

I think you just hit the nail right on the head!!! How can we be normal after following all of these missing person cases? [/*]

I don't think we can. We know too much of what goes on in the world with normal people - kids, teenagers, businessmen, businesswomen, hikers, students, old, young, just falling off the face of the earth.

omsk99

02-22-2008, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thats pretty much what I would do also - I read too much on these boards to be close to normal anymore LOL. [/*]

:beer:

omsk99

02-22-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I don't think we can. We know too much of what goes on in the world with normal people - kids, teenagers, businessmen, businesswomen, hikers, students, old, young, just falling off the face of the earth. [/*]

That is so true. I was just thinking the other day how much I know since I have joined the boards, how I only knew about the most high profile cases before that were plastered all over magazine covers. I really think it has changed me so much!

carterkatt

02-22-2008, 05:20 PM

Ruby, RainyNite.... I think I've gotten this way (paranoid???) from too much on boards, TruTV, etc.. becoming engrossed with some cases.... etc.

My daughter was at VCU when Taylor Biel was missing. That freaked me out. (And, she still does not always remember to carry her pepper spray!!) But she knows to call if she's 10 mins late, or there will be a state trooper looking for her car! LOL!

Young "kids"... Brianna Dennison, Jennifer Kessee, Maura Murray, the young men that just "poof" are gone... Brian Shaffer, and numerous others.. Tara Grinstead, and yes.. Ray Gricar... sort of like "there, but for the grace of God, there go I"....

:rose:

ruby

02-22-2008, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

That is so true. I was just thinking the other day how much I know since I have joined the boards, how I only knew about the most high profile cases before that were plastered all over magazine covers. I really think it has changed me so much! [/*]

I agree. I really didnt know how many people were missing before i came here. The results are staggering

omsk99

02-22-2008, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by ruby

I agree. I really didnt know how many people were missing before i came here. The results are staggering [/*]

Unbelievable. Everyday there is a new thread on someone else missing

:rose:

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 05:35 PM

I scroll down through the missing people every day and some days don't even know where to begin reading and these are just people that someone has put a link to over here. Its overwhelming.

omsk99

02-22-2008, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I scroll down through the missing people every day and some days don't even know where to begin reading and these are just people that someone has put a link to over here. Its overwhelming. [/*]

Yes, and imagine how many more are missing that we don't know about because no one posted it :(

shelkobe

02-22-2008, 05:48 PM

Supposedly, one of those posts was made by Christine, the wife, or was copied and pasted from somewhere else where she posted it, and it refers to her saying that the family needed money, because she looked into Nicholas's PayPal account and their money situation was worse than she thought. Now, I have PayPal, connected to my checking account, but I don't keep much money in there. How would looking into a PayPal account clarify someone's financial situation? One wouldn't normally keep a lot of money in there, would one? I mean, I don't think it's interest bearing, or is there that type of account?

omsk99

02-22-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by shelkobe
Supposedly, one of those posts was made by Christine, the wife, or was copied and pasted from somewhere else where she posted it, and it refers to her saying that the family needed money, because she looked into Nicholas's PayPal account and their money situation was worse than she thought. Now, I have PayPal, connected to my checking account, but I don't keep much money in there. How would looking into a PayPal account clarify someone's financial situation? One wouldn't normally keep a lot of money in there, would one? I mean, I don't think it's interest bearing, or is there that type of account? [/*]

If they do indeed own a business, they might transfer a lot of money into PayPal to do online transactions (if they sell goods or services). Just a guess.

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by carterkatt
Ruby, RainyNite.... I think I've gotten this way (paranoid???) from too much on boards, TruTV, etc.. becoming engrossed with some cases.... etc.

My daughter was at VCU when Taylor Biel was missing. That freaked me out. (And, she still does not always remember to carry her pepper spray!!) But she knows to call if she's 10 mins late, or there will be a state trooper looking for her car! LOL!

Young "kids"... Brianna Dennison, Jennifer Kessee, Maura Murray, the young men that just "poof" are gone... Brian Shaffer, and numerous others.. Tara Grinstead, and yes.. Ray Gricar... sort of like "there, but for the grace of God, there go I"....

:rose: [/*]

Yes my thoughts exactly "but for the Grace of God, there go I"

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Yes, and imagine how many more are missing that we don't know about because no one posted it :( [/*]

Exactly, there is another man who went missing Valentines Day in the same area as Nicholas. I googled and found his alert, but no pic.

omsk99

02-22-2008, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Exactly, there is another man who went missing Valentines Day in the same area as Nicholas. I googled and found his alert, but no pic. [/*]

There is no thread for him here?

ruby

02-22-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Exactly, there is another man who went missing Valentines Day in the same area as Nicholas. I googled and found his alert, but no pic. [/*]

Maybe they're together???

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

There is no thread for him here? [/*]

I didn't find one for him

Kip

02-22-2008, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by ruby
The thing is, there is no way I would call the police if my BF didn't come home when expected (that's his kind of job though, unexpected/on call)....but several times he's said i'll be home at this time, and he's not....i wait an hour, try the cell, no answer, keep doing this for hours sometimes...I don't think it's odd that she waited that long to contact the police. Im sure she was kind of P'd off thinking he ditched them to go out with friends or something... [/*]

I agree. Plus I think there's no LE agency that would act on a report of an adult being an hour late getting home.

shelkobe

02-22-2008, 07:00 PM

I guess that's likely, although that money wouldn't count as savings, I would think. I also think the homebased business is hers, so she should have her own PayPal account, and if not and they use her husband's sort of as a joint account, she should be in and out of that all the time in order to make her sales transactions.

huskiki

02-22-2008, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Exactly, there is another man who went missing Valentines Day in the same area as Nicholas. I googled and found his alert, but no pic. [/*]

His name is Viliamu Fale. I posted a link here earlier for people to check out the comments. http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5807

The site that has him missing also has Nicholas missing with no picture, it could just be how the site operates, not sure.

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

His name is Viliamu Fale. I posted a link here earlier for people to check out the comments. http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5807

The site that has him missing also has Nicholas missing with no picture, it could just be how the site operates, not sure. [/*]

Thanks for posting that - I looked at that site's comments and they were very interesting. Didn't Fale's wife work at Costco?

huskiki

02-22-2008, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thanks for posting that - I looked at that site's comments and they were very interesting. Didn't Fale's wife work at Costco? [/*]

That's what they say in the comments. I haven't been able to find anything else on this man. The comments were very interesting. This is another strange case.

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 08:26 PM

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 08:29 PM

I looked at the wife's business on line - she has a note at the top that her shop is closed due to family emergency - then it says please help find her husband. It looks like a little shop where she sells things online - clothing, lotions, etc.

omsk99

02-22-2008, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

That's what they say in the comments. I haven't been able to find anything else on this man. The comments were very interesting. This is another strange case. [/*]

And even that missing person's report doesn't have much info. If his wife reported hi missing (per comments), how come they don't know his hair or skin color?... Or the circumstances? Very odd. And how does this person, who commented, know which Costco Nicholas was going to go to, just because it was on the way?..

omsk99

02-22-2008, 08:41 PM

I am not sure this was posted before:

" This site is temporarily dedicated to the disappearance of & search for Nicholas Francisco"

http://mailpen.net/

huskiki

02-22-2008, 08:44 PM

huskiki

02-22-2008, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I looked at the wife's business on line - she has a note at the top that her shop is closed due to family emergency - then it says please help find her husband. It looks like a little shop where she sells things online - clothing, lotions, etc. [/*]

Yes and ...that site, esty's I think it is, has forums. There are a lot of vendors who are donating their profits.

omsk99

02-22-2008, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I saw that one but didn't post it, I'm glad you did :) [/*]

:seeya:

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 08:46 PM

I don't know - I am becoming more and more confused, not only with this case but with the other missing businessman.

omsk99

02-22-2008, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I don't know - I am becoming more and more confused, not only with this case but with the other missing businessman. [/*]

Do you mean Viliamu Fale? I thought he worked for a lumber company?

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by omsk99
I am not sure this was posted before:

" This site is temporarily dedicated to the disappearance of & search for Nicholas Francisco"

http://mailpen.net/ [/*]

Okay this article says he was SEEN leaving work around 6:00 pm - I didn't know that. I wasn't sure if anyone knew for certain if he had run into a snag at work.

RainyNiteNTx

02-22-2008, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Do you mean Viliamu Fale? I thought he worked for a lumber company? [/*]

No, the CEO from Arkansas

omsk99

02-22-2008, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

No, the CEO from Arkansas [/*]

Oh yeah, John Glasgow... I am with you, I am getting more and more confused. The known facts are just too bizarre in both cases.

omsk99

02-22-2008, 09:28 PM

http://portland.metblogs.com/archives/2008/02/nicholas_franci.phtml

http://blogs.king5.com/citizenrain/2008/02/what_really_happened_to_nichol.html

http://agencyspy.wordpress.com/2008/02/22/nicholas-francisco-update-donation-information/

http://www.*-townblog.com/2008/02/22/search-party-for-nicholas-francisco-this-saturday-will-encompass-burien-to-federal-way/

Nellie

02-22-2008, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Yes and ...that site, esty's I think it is, has forums. There are a lot of vendors who are donating their profits. [/*]

Ok, wait a minute! They're donating their profits for what??? :shrug: What will this money be used for? This sends my "hinky meter" up. Does it anyone else?

I gotta go check out this site.

Nellie

02-22-2008, 11:35 PM

Ok after seeing that a Fund has already been set up at a Bank for this family and the wife commented about the bills and the money being so appreciated, I'm starting to see things differently. Could this be a scam? I'm just really surprised at the speediness of setting up a fund. Why? What was the money so urgently needed for in just a few days of a man missing? It sounds to me like it's being used for bills. The man hasn't been gone that long. The fund just seems really premature to me. Does it anyone else? Is it a fund to pay their bills? Or a fund to print up flyers and search for him?

I honestly at first thought maybe the man just took off .....maybe had a double life. Now I'm beginning to smell a scam. Anyone else?

JMO.....hope I'm wrong. Also hope he's safe.

Nellie

02-22-2008, 11:45 PM

Ok, I'm trying to piece things together and just read a post from Christine concerning the Mars Hill Church. She said they reseigned on Feb. 11 and he went missing on Feb. 13. I actually didn't know he'd been missing that long. But on this site people seem upset with this church. And what does she mean they "resigned" on the 11? Were she and her husband in ministry there? Anyone know?
Just seems to be some tension with the church???
http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5807#comment-116527

Nellie

02-23-2008, 12:12 AM

Ok, I've read some of the blogs and forums and at this point...I just don't know what to think. I think the two things that have surprised me has been how involve he and Christine are on the internet. Also, the church thing. Wow, I just don't know what to think now. And the other missing man. Whew! I just thought maybe he took off but maybe things aren't as they seem? Is he connected to this other missing man? I wonder how long they attended that church. The church thing seems odd to me....left or resigned it 2 days before he went missing. I still wonder if they were in ministry there. Then the thing about her saying their bills were in worse shape than she knew when she looked at his Pay Pal account. What's up with that? I have a Pay Pal account. I even have an online business. NOTHING in my Pay Pal account will tells me anything about my bills. The only thing I think she would glean from it would be that there was less money in there than she expected.

This case just got wierd for me.

huskiki

02-23-2008, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by Nellie
Ok, I've read some of the blogs and forums and at this point...I just don't know what to think. I think the two things that have surprised me has been how involve he and Christine are on the internet. Also, the church thing. Wow, I just don't know what to think now. And the other missing man. Whew! I just thought maybe he took off but maybe things aren't as they seem? Is he connected to this other missing man? I wonder how long they attended that church. The church thing seems odd to me....left or resigned it 2 days before he went missing. I still wonder if they were in ministry there. Then the thing about her saying their bills were in worse shape than she knew when she looked at his Pay Pal account. What's up with that? I have a Pay Pal account. I even have an online business. NOTHING in my Pay Pal account will tells me anything about my bills. The only thing I think she would glean from it would be that there was less money in there than she expected.

This case just got wierd for me. [/*]

Hi Nellie,

Sure is a strange one. Where to even start.

The church, I am skeptical of any organized religion but that's just me. However, why would one have to resign as a member? It sounded to me that he was just a member.

The other missing guy. The only information I have found on him is on the states missing person site. Usually when someone goes missing you can find a little blurp in the paper, not with this guy.

The online business. Christine has 2 online stores. I'm not familiaer with paypal but I would think that if she had a business it would be seperate from their personal checking account. Maybe it's just me but I would keep my money seperate.

The donations. Yes, I think they are premature there. I understand setting up an account for a reward but to pay your bills. Something isn't right.

I figured this guy took off because of the pressure of kids and a wife that seems to keep him on a short leash. IMO/JMO

Did Greta have this on tonight? I was out and missed it, I might have to stay up to catch her in re-run.

dulcinea

02-23-2008, 01:25 AM

Setting up an account for funds struck me as odd as well. The other night Christine was on Greta. She commented on their financial status by saying they were not wealthy but they were not living in poverty. Well, if they were not impoverished, why would she need money only a week after her husband went missing? However, it seems no one knows exactly what the money is for so maybe it is going to fund a search for Nicholas. I wish it was more clear.

Nellie

02-23-2008, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hi Nellie,

Sure is a strange one. Where to even start.

The church, I am skeptical of any organized religion but that's just me. However, why would one have to resign as a member? It sounded to me that he was just a member.

The other missing guy. The only information I have found on him is on the states missing person site. Usually when someone goes missing you can find a little blurp in the paper, not with this guy.

The online business. Christine has 2 online stores. I'm not familiaer with paypal but I would think that if she had a business it would be seperate from their personal checking account. Maybe it's just me but I would keep my money seperate.

The donations. Yes, I think they are premature there. I understand setting up an account for a reward but to pay your bills. Something isn't right.

I figured this guy took off because of the pressure of kids and a wife that seems to keep him on a short leash. IMO/JMO

Did Greta have this on tonight? I was out and missed it, I might have to stay up to catch her in re-run. [/*]

I didn't see any update to this on Greta tonight...nor any other show.

The Pay Pal thing and comment from Christine about seeing that he was protecting her from knowing how bad the bills were is what confuses me. I'm very familiar with Pay Pal and it doesn't tell you anything about your bills. I collect money in Pay Pal for my own online business and process credit cards through it. It couldn't tell ANYONE anything about my bills. That part makes no sense to me. The church and money thing bother me.

About resigning from a church. I wouldn't call it that when leaving a church. That's why I wondered if he or they were in ministry there. I have been in a church where things went sour before, so it just reminded me of that. As a church member, I'd just say I quit....not that I resigned. Even if I wrote a letter telling them to remove me from the church membership, I still would not call it a resignation. And she says they "resigned" two days before he dissappeared and it seems some people got their panties in a wad because the church identified them as "former members". If they removed their membership, then they ARE former members, so I don't know why that upset people so much. It made me wonder if there is some kind of controversy going on at that church. I've seen it firsthand myself and it just brought up all those memories.

Money pouring in to pay their bills is what set my hinky meter up. He's only been missing for 9 days. Not that that is a good thing, but I just can't figure out why there is a fund already for her.

I hate being such a skeptic. But I've been on discussion boards/forums for years and I've seen the "scammers" work the other posters. Not saying that's what is going on here. But, I've seen stories of a house fire and people throwing money at the person only to learn it was all fake. I watched one private board have one "cause" after another where literally THOUSANDS was donated over and over for the different "causes" until a handful of us wanted an accounting of the money. Things went bad from there with the administrator having to even admit in the end that she had used a portion of the money people were supposedly donating for someone else. Personally, I stay away from online fund raising for this very reason. I've witnessed it over and over.
Now, I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON HERE. I pray this young man is ok. But the fund raising really does raise red flags for me, especially when she states that their finances were bad BEFORE he went missing. If the money is being raised to help find him or for a reward, that seems fine to me. But to catch up on delinquent bills only 9 days after he goes missing...that's what concerns me and makes me begin to question what is really going on here.

And the other guy going missing....well, that sure adds to the mystery of it all.

Nellie

02-23-2008, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by dulcinea
Setting up an account for funds struck me as odd as well. The other night Christine was on Greta. She commented on their financial status by saying they were not wealthy but they were not living in poverty. Well, if they were not impoverished, why would she need money only a week after her husband went missing? However, it seems no one knows exactly what the money is for so maybe it is going to fund a search for Nicholas. I wish it was more clear. [/*]

I could understand the fund more if it was clearly stated it was to help find Nicholas. The part that caused red flags for me was the comment from Christine herself stating that it was really appreciated because their finances were not in good shape and she didn't know it until she looked at his Pay Pal account. That is just too weird for me and seems to me the funds are being used for bills. I have no idea what is going on...it just seemed strange to me.

butterfly28

02-23-2008, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by carterkatt

Young "kids"... Brianna Dennison, Jennifer Kessee, Maura Murray, the young men that just "poof" are gone... Brian Shaffer, and numerous others.. Tara Grinstead, and yes.. Ray Gricar... sort of like "there, but for the grace of God, there go I"....

:rose: [/*]

:rose:

Nellie

02-23-2008, 03:14 AM

Here's the part that bothers me.

According to Jannell, Christine's sister, financial support is desperately needed.

The family has not set up a donation center as of yet but THEY ARE TRULY IN NEED OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT!

If you can help in the way of a PayPal donation, Christine's paypal address:

This was posted only 4 days after he went missing...on the Etsy forums. I guess I just don't understand the immediate DESPERATE need to have funds sent to Christine's Pay Pal account. It had only been 4 days. What were the funds so desperately needed for? I'll admit I've never had anyone missing, so perhaps I don't understand the expenses of finding them. But, just 4 days after seemed so quick for me. I might have understood better if it had been weeks after.

I'm truly thinking he is ok. I don't have any idea what has happened to him, but my gut tells me that he is safe. I truly hope my gut is right.

RainyNiteNTx

02-23-2008, 07:40 AM

If they are wanting Texas Equusearch or another search organization to come in, would they need money for that? Just trying to come up with scenarios as to why they would be so desperately seeking money so soon.

RainyNiteNTx

02-23-2008, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by omsk99
I am not sure this was posted before:

" This site is temporarily dedicated to the disappearance of & search for Nicholas Francisco"

http://mailpen.net/ [/*]

If you notice in the third picture on the site you posted, it looks like it was taken in his office. Back behind him on the bulletin board are what looks like numerous hand drawings that children (I'm assuming his children) made. From all indications it seems he truly is a family man. So where is he?

RainyNiteNTx

02-23-2008, 08:18 AM

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004196637_francisco23m.html

huskiki

02-23-2008, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
If they are wanting Texas Equusearch or another search organization to come in, would they need money for that? Just trying to come up with scenarios as to why they would be so desperately seeking money so soon. [/*]

Hello RainyNiteNTx,

From TE's site:

"The Texas EquuSearch Mounted Search and Recovery Team was started in August, 2000 with the purpose to provide Volunteer Horse Mounted Search and Recovery for Lost and Missing persons. The Team was started in the North Galveston County area because of the high incidence of missing persons in the largely undeveloped area of South Harris and North Galveston Counties. With this in mind, the team's existence and purpose are dedicated to the memory of Laura Miller, a young woman abducted and murdered in North Galveston County in 1984. Laura was the daughter of our director,Tim Miller. Our team is composed of volunteers of various experiences, but most are experienced horse owners.

We currently have approximately 350 + members and are growing rapidly. We are currently available to conduct searches state wide. We are a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization, which is funded solely by donations from team members and the surrounding communities."

http://www.texasequusearch.org/about_us.html

It doesn't sound like you have to pay for their services.

kaylynn

02-23-2008, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004196637_francisco23m.html [/*]
Thanks for the update, Rainy. Hopefully the cell phone records can provide clues. I pray he is alright, but I agree that it sounds weird that after only a week, the family is asking for money from the general public.

huskiki

02-23-2008, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

If you notice in the third picture on the site you posted, it looks like it was taken in his office. Back behind him on the bulletin board are what looks like numerous hand drawings that children (I'm assuming his children) made. From all indications it seems he truly is a family man. So where is he? [/*]

Good question ...where is he? I'm very skeptical on this one. I think he's alive, which is a good thing, but I question the motives here. With all that I have read so far I have to say that he either took off on his own because of all the pressure placed on him or there's a scam afoot. IMO/JMO

huskiki

02-23-2008, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Nellie
Here's the part that bothers me.

This was posted only 4 days after he went missing...on the Etsy forums. I guess I just don't understand the immediate DESPERATE need to have funds sent to Christine's Pay Pal account. It had only been 4 days. What were the funds so desperately needed for? I'll admit I've never had anyone missing, so perhaps I don't understand the expenses of finding them. But, just 4 days after seemed so quick for me. I might have understood better if it had been weeks after.

I'm truly thinking he is ok. I don't have any idea what has happened to him, but my gut tells me that he is safe. I truly hope my gut is right. [/*]

Hi Nellie,

I just thought of something else in regards to Christine's Etsy shops. They are both closed due to a family emergency. That is totally understandable but ...if her finances are so bad that she needs money now, then why not leave the shops open for business and have a close friend run it for her? This way people could show support by purchasing her products.

Just a thought. We can never know how a person will react in situations like these. I wouldn't be able to function, I know that. But if money was an issue and there was a way for it to come in, I'm thinking I would keep the shops open.

kaylynn

02-23-2008, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hi Nellie,

I just thought of something else in regards to Christine's Etsy shops. They are both closed due to a family emergency. That is totally understandable but ...if her finances are so bad that she needs money now, then why not leave the shops open for business and have a close friend run it for her? This way people could show support by purchasing her products.

Just a thought. We can never know how a person will react in situations like these. I wouldn't be able to function, I know that. But if money was an issue and there was a way for it to come in, I'm thinking I would keep the shops open. [/*]
I wondered that to. I don't know their families situations obviously, but I also wondered if, since her husband has only been gone a week, there was family or friends who would help her out a little financially, instead of going straight to the general public for donations.

RainyNiteNTx

02-23-2008, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hello RainyNiteNTx,

From TE's site:

"The Texas EquuSearch Mounted Search and Recovery Team was started in August, 2000 with the purpose to provide Volunteer Horse Mounted Search and Recovery for Lost and Missing persons. The Team was started in the North Galveston County area because of the high incidence of missing persons in the largely undeveloped area of South Harris and North Galveston Counties. With this in mind, the team's existence and purpose are dedicated to the memory of Laura Miller, a young woman abducted and murdered in North Galveston County in 1984. Laura was the daughter of our director,Tim Miller. Our team is composed of volunteers of various experiences, but most are experienced horse owners.

We currently have approximately 350 + members and are growing rapidly. We are currently available to conduct searches state wide. We are a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization, which is funded solely by donations from team members and the surrounding communities."

http://www.texasequusearch.org/about_us.html

It doesn't sound like you have to pay for their services. [/*]

Thanks - I thought maybe the family wanted to make a donation - desperately trying to find some logic here LOL.

RainyNiteNTx

02-23-2008, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by kaylynn

Thanks for the update, Rainy. Hopefully the cell phone records can provide clues. I pray he is alright, but I agree that it sounds weird that after only a week, the family is asking for money from the general public. [/*]

You're welcome - :) I'm interested in those phone records also. Of course there is no activity after he went missing that we know of.

Heidi J.

02-23-2008, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Nellie
Here's the part that bothers me.

This was posted only 4 days after he went missing...on the Etsy forums. I guess I just don't understand the immediate DESPERATE need to have funds sent to Christine's Pay Pal account. It had only been 4 days. What were the funds so desperately needed for? I'll admit I've never had anyone missing, so perhaps I don't understand the expenses of finding them. But, just 4 days after seemed so quick for me. I might have understood better if it had been weeks after.

I'm truly thinking he is ok. I don't have any idea what has happened to him, but my gut tells me that he is safe. I truly hope my gut is right. [/*]

While I do agree, it is a little funny to be asking for financial assistance and so soon, I really don't feel she is trying to scam people.

While my family doen't live in poverty, we live very well, but we live check to check. I can honestly say, if my hubby were to go missing tomorrow, finances would definatly be a problem for us. I don't think I would be worried so early on though.

Perhaps he told her there was more in the PayPal account then there really was, thus when she looks in there, not much at all. I only use my PayPal to buy stuff, I have never collected $. Can you pay your bills off PayPal?

I feel she doen't know where he is, I don't feel it is a scam of any kind.
jmo

RainyNiteNTx

02-23-2008, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by kaylynn

I wondered that to. I don't know their families situations obviously, but I also wondered if, since her husband has only been gone a week, there was family or friends who would help her out a little financially, instead of going straight to the general public for donations. [/*]

It seems like the family has wonderful support so I would assume that a friend or family member could run the shop for her. I know someone would run it for me which would help out with money.

RainyNiteNTx

02-23-2008, 10:22 AM

gino1234

02-23-2008, 10:27 AM

The car has been moved from location to location but the doors are locked and there is no sighs of fowl play.
Who ever took the car at least took real good care of it.

Last words to Chirstine from Nicholas

" I love you!! Bella "

sounds like someone isnt telling the truth. :no:

RainyNiteNTx

02-23-2008, 10:31 AM

From where he left work to where he lives or where they found his car, are there any toll roads? Anyone know?

ruby

02-23-2008, 10:35 AM

huskiki

02-23-2008, 10:35 AM

I'm stuck on the finances still ...

To me, for finances to be THAT bad then that would mean bill collectors would have been calling. Credit card companies usually give at least a month or two before they really hound you and utilities give even more time. How bad is bad? If she needs this money like yesterday then he had to know the trouble that they were in. It's possible that he kept if from her but who knows.

And don't ask what my point is because I forgot :confused: LOL

RainyNiteNTx

02-23-2008, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by huskiki
I'm stuck on the finances still ...

To me, for finances to be THAT bad then that would mean bill collectors would have been calling. Credit card companies usually give at least a month or two before they really hound you and utilities give even more time. How bad is bad? If she needs this money like yesterday then he had to know the trouble that they were in. It's possible that he kept if from her but who knows.

And don't ask what my point is because I forgot :confused: LOL [/*]

LOL Huski - in one of her statements she said "he is no coward". Maybe they were having financial problems and he got overwhelmed and left for a while. Maybe that was a message to him from her. I just want him found alive and safe. I hate when I get involved in these cases.

huskiki

02-23-2008, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

LOL Huski - in one of her statements she said "he is no coward". Maybe they were having financial problems and he got overwhelmed and left for a while. Maybe that was a message to him from her. I just want him found alive and safe. I hate when I get involved in these cases. [/*]

Maybe that was a message from her to him. That brings me back to my original thought, that he took off due to the pressure. I hope he is found soon!

ruby

02-23-2008, 11:02 AM

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004196637_francisco23m.html

Christine Francisco said her husband is a religious man who loved being a father to the couple's two toddlers and was thrilled to learn on his birthday last month that she was expecting their third child.

She said he would never voluntarily walk away from his responsibilities to his family.

"He is not a coward," she said.

Not sure if this has been posted already.

huskiki

02-23-2008, 11:08 AM

Ok, so I was just about to watch a YouTube video on Nicholas and it says "This video has been removed by the user".

Did anyone else see it before it was removed?

kaylynn

02-23-2008, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by huskiki
Ok, so I was just about to watch a YouTube video on Nicholas and it says "This video has been removed by the user".

Did anyone else see it before it was removed? [/*]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIudFJWUvNI
I think this is the same one. It was just redone, and re-uploaded.

huskiki

02-23-2008, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by kaylynn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIudFJWUvNI
I think this is the same one. It was just redone, and re-uploaded. [/*]

Thank You Kaylynn!

Heidi J.

02-23-2008, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by ruby

I totally agree with you!!! We live well by all means but my BF works a TONNNN of hours (he just literally got off a 24 hr shift), so if he was missing, I wouldn't be able to make rent and live on my own for sure! My family would help me out, but I don't know anything about what to do when a person is missing, and funds etc. It probably wasn't her idea IMO [/*]

True. I can't even begin to imagine what to think if hubby went missing. All the emotions running through your head.. especially if you are pregnant!

Another thing too, alot of people don't have family to fall back on if they get behind. To some of us getting a little behind is no big deal, while to others it can be complete failure. jmo

Nellie

02-23-2008, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

If you notice in the third picture on the site you posted, it looks like it was taken in his office. Back behind him on the bulletin board are what looks like numerous hand drawings that children (I'm assuming his children) made. From all indications it seems he truly is a family man. So where is he? [/*]

Here's LOTS of photos posted by Nicholas of his family. Look under the "People" group....lots of pics of his children. I think he seems to truly adore his children. Looks like a great family man to me.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bellafrancisco/collections/72157600013767085/

Nellie

02-23-2008, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Heidi J.

While I do agree, it is a little funny to be asking for financial assistance and so soon, I really don't feel she is trying to scam people.

While my family doen't live in poverty, we live very well, but we live check to check. I can honestly say, if my hubby were to go missing tomorrow, finances would definatly be a problem for us. I don't think I would be worried so early on though.

Perhaps he told her there was more in the PayPal account then there really was, thus when she looks in there, not much at all. I only use my PayPal to buy stuff, I have never collected $. Can you pay your bills off PayPal?

I feel she doen't know where he is, I don't feel it is a scam of any kind.
jmo [/*]

I totally understand living check to check. So, helping her out financially would not bother me so much. It's the appeals for money within days of him going missing. I'll admit, though, that I get weary of fund raising and "causes" of appeals for money, so maybe it's just me. I've just seen way to much abuse of fund raising. I just thought it was awfully immediate to be appealing for money from the public. And while people might say she didn't ask for it herself, her sister asking for it and using her pay pal account tells me that she is full aware of the appeal for money on her behalf and doesn't mind.

As far as keeping her business open. I understand that thought but could understand her closing it temporarily. I have an online business myself where I handmake things. If she makes her products herself, then there is more to just collecting the money and collecting it. It does surprise me though, that she is posting on the internet at such a time as this.

I have to admit that this desperate appeal for money bothers me.
Maybe more than others because it looks so familiar to other appeals I've seen in the past. Too soon for me. Husband missing and immediately appealing for money. Find out bills are in bad shape. It's almost like a good thing hubby went missing so you can appeal for money to catch them up. But that doesn't make sense to me either. There's easier ways to scam people than have a man dissappear. So, I'm just really puzzled by this case.

huskiki

02-23-2008, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Here's LOTS of photos posted by Nicholas of his family. Look under the "People" group....lots of pics of his children. I think he seems to truly adore his children. Looks like a great family man to me.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bellafrancisco/collections/72157600013767085/ [/*]

Earlier today I googled Catherine Francisco and found "Catherine Francisco Photography". All that was on it was about a dozen pictures, so I moved on. I just looked at these pictures and saw some that were on that site, the one that stuck out was the old couple. Now the site is gone. Either I'm losing my mind, which isn't out of the question, or this woman has more business than we know of. IMO JMO

EDIT!!! I googled the wrong name second time around. And I just typed the wrong name here, it's Christine not Catherine. So the good news is that I'm not losing my mind ...totally.

Here's the site http://www.christinefrancisco.com/

Danette44

02-23-2008, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I totally understand living check to check. So, helping her out financially would not bother me so much. It's the appeals for money within days of him going missing. I'll admit, though, that I get weary of fund raising and "causes" of appeals for money, so maybe it's just me. I've just seen way to much abuse of fund raising. I just thought it was awfully immediate to be appealing for money from the public. And while people might say she didn't ask for it herself, her sister asking for it and using her pay pal account tells me that she is full aware of the appeal for money on her behalf and doesn't mind.

As far as keeping her business open. I understand that thought but could understand her closing it temporarily. I have an online business myself where I handmake things. If she makes her products herself, then there is more to just collecting the money and collecting it. It does surprise me though, that she is posting on the internet at such a time as this.

I have to admit that this desperate appeal for money bothers me.
Maybe more than others because it looks so familiar to other appeals I've seen in the past. Too soon for me. Husband missing and immediately appealing for money. Find out bills are in bad shape. It's almost like a good thing hubby went missing so you can appeal for money to catch them up. But that doesn't make sense to me either. There's easier ways to scam people than have a man dissappear. So, I'm just really puzzled by this case. [/*]

Nellie - I have to agree, it bothers me about her needing help "Now", and what seems not right is I thought "PayPal", was to buy things online or pay your bills, I didn't know it would tell you what you have in a account. Don't they have a checking account that would spell it all out for her? I used paypal once online and I had to put all my bank account info in it or a credit card number. I was just watching foxnews and his sisters were on begging for him to call home and that they love and miss him so much.

Here, we always look at the husband for the wife's disappearance, I'm now looking at the wife for husband's disappearance! JMOO

huskiki

02-23-2008, 03:02 PM

More interesting comments, including a couple from Christine herself.

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841#comments

jtazzy

02-23-2008, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hello RainyNiteNTx,

From TE's site:

"The Texas EquuSearch Mounted Search and Recovery Team was started in August, 2000 with the purpose to provide Volunteer Horse Mounted Search and Recovery for Lost and Missing persons. The Team was started in the North Galveston County area because of the high incidence of missing persons in the largely undeveloped area of South Harris and North Galveston Counties. With this in mind, the team's existence and purpose are dedicated to the memory of Laura Miller, a young woman abducted and murdered in North Galveston County in 1984. Laura was the daughter of our director,Tim Miller. Our team is composed of volunteers of various experiences, but most are experienced horse owners.

We currently have approximately 350 + members and are growing rapidly. We are currently available to conduct searches state wide. We are a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization, which is funded solely by donations from team members and the surrounding communities."

http://www.texasequusearch.org/about_us.html

It doesn't sound like you have to pay for their services. [/*]

Yes they are a non profit organization. I followed a case of Brandi Laurent for along time. TES was called in by family and LE. Brandi's family did fundraisers and things to get donation money to give to TES when they got there. TES found Brandi within an hour after they started the search. They are great!!!!

Nellie

02-23-2008, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Nellie - I have to agree, it bothers me about her needing help "Now", and what seems not right is I thought "PayPal", was to buy things online or pay your bills, I didn't know it would tell you what you have in a account. Don't they have a checking account that would spell it all out for her? I used paypal once online and I had to put all my bank account info in it or a credit card number. I was just watching foxnews and his sisters were on begging for him to call home and that they love and miss him so much.

Here, we always look at the husband for the wife's disappearance, I'm now looking at the wife for husband's disappearance! JMOO [/*]

I know. If this was reversed and it was the wife who was missing and the last person to speak to her was her husband....well, you know what everyone would be thinking. And I don't think it would run along the lines of throwing money into his pay pal account. I just think I'm totally disgusted with money being sent to her pay pal account within a few days of him being gone.

Nellie

02-23-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Earlier today I googled Catherine Francisco and found "Catherine Francisco Photography". All that was on it was about a dozen pictures, so I moved on. I just looked at these pictures and saw some that were on that site, the one that stuck out was the old couple. Now the site is gone. Either I'm losing my mind, which isn't out of the question, or this woman has more business than we know of. IMO JMO

EDIT!!! I googled the wrong name second time around. And I just typed the wrong name here, it's Christine not Catherine. So the good news is that I'm not losing my mind ...totally.

Here's the site http://www.christinefrancisco.com/ [/*]

I was interested in the old couple too and a comment under it on. Why did the old couple catch your attention?

jtazzy

02-23-2008, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
More interesting comments, including a couple from Christine herself.

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841#comments [/*]

Thanks Huskiki for that link. From reading the post on there most of them believe this is a big scam also. JMO

RainyNiteNTx

02-23-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by jtazzy

Thanks Huskiki for that link. From reading the post on there most of them believe this is a big scam also. JMO [/*]

One of the comments was about her requesting Target cards - I couldn't find the original post they were referring to though. What in the world is going on?

RainyNiteNTx

02-23-2008, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I was interested in the old couple too and a comment under it on. Why did the old couple catch your attention? [/*]

I didn't see a comment - what did it say?

Danette44

02-23-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
More interesting comments, including a couple from Christine herself.

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841#comments [/*]

Thank you huskiki - what gets me there is how she says she sits on the couch unable to function only to leave if she has to be on the news to help bring my husband home. moo

Danette44

02-23-2008, 04:07 PM

If this has been posted sorry for asking again. But has she taken a polygraph yet? I had seen his sisters on fox today and it was sad to see them crying and begging for any answers, begging for him to call home if he can.

desmom

02-23-2008, 05:08 PM

This site http://mailpen.net/ appears to have all of the latest news updates including Christine's interviews on Nancy Grace and Greta.

huskiki

02-23-2008, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by jtazzy

Yes they are a non profit organization. I followed a case of Brandi Laurent for along time. TES was called in by family and LE. Brandi's family did fundraisers and things to get donation money to give to TES when they got there. TES found Brandi within an hour after they started the search. They are great!!!! [/*]

Hi Jtazzy,

TES is a great organization! God Bless all of their volunteers.

huskiki

02-23-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I was interested in the old couple too and a comment under it on. Why did the old couple catch your attention? [/*]

Hi Nellie,

I just remembered the picture of the old couple from her photography site, they stood out to me I guess. Then when I was going through the flkr (sp??) pics there they were.

huskiki

02-23-2008, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by Danette44
If this has been posted sorry for asking again. But has she taken a polygraph yet? I had seen his sisters on fox today and it was sad to see them crying and begging for any answers, begging for him to call home if he can. [/*]

Good question Danette44. I haven't read anything on that yet. If LE gets ahold of some of the blogs and comments that we've been reading they might be asking her soon. IMO/JMO

huskiki

02-23-2008, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Thank you huskiki - what gets me there is how she says she sits on the couch unable to function only to leave if she has to be on the news to help bring my husband home. moo [/*]

Yes, unable to function. She can't even take care of her kids, she has help for that. Why can't they help with her online business so she can get the money she needs to pay her bills?

jtazzy

02-23-2008, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hi Jtazzy,

TES is a great organization! God Bless all of their volunteers. [/*]
Hi Huskiki, yes they are wonderful people.
You know I can't help but feel there is more to this story that is being told. He isn't even missing what 3 days that the finances come out and now there is a fund being taking for her and the kids.
I know I haven't been following this forum for very long, but one thing I can say that is if my husband was to come up missing one of the things I wouldn't worry about is the money. I would be more worried about trying to find him. I would due fundraiser for money ONLY to help with resources to find my hubby. NOT TO HELP ME PAY BILLS....

This one has me so dang confused....

Nellie

02-23-2008, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hi Nellie,

I just remembered the picture of the old couple from her photography site, they stood out to me I guess. Then when I was going through the flkr (sp??) pics there they were. [/*]

Yes, her grandparents. Did you read the comments below the picture. It was an old comment from Christine but struck me odd. Not that it means anything, but just the way she worded that she and Nicholas would be married until death. Most people would say "we'll be married for life". Wouldn't they? Not saying it means anythng...just struck me odd in the light of him missing.

jtazzy

02-23-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Yes, her grandparents. Did you read the comments below the picture. It was an old comment from Christine but struck me odd. Not that it means anything, but just the way she worded that she and Nicholas would be married until death. Most people would say "we'll be married for life". Wouldn't they? Not saying it means anythng...just struck me odd in the light of him missing. [/*]

Nellie, I looked at that site and didn't see any comments under the picture. :shrug: I'm lost

Nellie

02-23-2008, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I didn't see a comment - what did it say? [/*]

That she and Nicholas would be married until death.
I just thought it was an odd way of wording it.
Most people would say "we'll be married for the rest of our lives".

They have been married for 64 years and going strong. I have only been married for almost 6 years :) But we will be married until death.

Nellie

02-23-2008, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by jtazzy

Nellie, I looked at that site and didn't see any comments under the picture. :shrug: I'm lost [/*]

Ok. look at this photo of her grandparents and then scroll down and look at the comments undeneath of them. Christina made the comment about being married until death. It's really nothing....just struck me as an odd way of putting it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bellafrancisco/284123432/in/set-72157594351055911/

jtazzy

02-23-2008, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

That she and Nicholas would be married until death.
I just thought it was an odd way of wording it.
Most people would say "we'll be married for the rest of our lives".

[/*]

OMG that is so weird. I wonder why when I looked at the pictures I couldn't see it...could be my computer LOL...

But I due have to say that my husband n I say that we will be married till one of us passes. But it refers to married the rest of our lives...:punch: sounds pretty stupid once I wrote it...DUH samething you said. LOL

Nellie

02-23-2008, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by jtazzy

OMG that is so weird. I wonder why when I looked at the pictures I couldn't see it...could be my computer LOL...

But I due have to say that my husband n I say that we will be married till one of us passes. But it refers to married the rest of our lives...:punch: sounds pretty stupid once I wrote it...DUH samething you said. LOL [/*]

That's what she meant too. I guess it's just the different way people would say things. It means nothing, I'm sure of that. It just struck me odd because I'd say it in the more positive way of "we'll be married for the rest of our lives". Know what I mean?
But, hey, that's what she meant....I'm sure of that.

desmom

02-23-2008, 05:40 PM

Family website?

http://thefranciscos.com/

jtazzy

02-23-2008, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Ok. look at this photo of her grandparents and then scroll down and look at the comments undeneath of them. Christina made the comment about being married until death. It's really nothing....just struck me as an odd way of putting it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bellafrancisco/284123432/in/set-72157594351055911/ [/*]

Just looked...that scares me ss

Nellie

02-23-2008, 05:42 PM

Here's another page of photos of the kids.
http://flickr.com/photos/francisco/collections/

I think what is so different in this case is the massive online life of this couple. I think I identify with it. LOL! If I or my husband went missing, people would find us all over the internet too.

The only part really bothering me is all of the gifts and money being thrown at her. But that kind of stuff always bothers me. I've seen it on boards before.

Nellie

02-23-2008, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by desmom
Family website?

http://thefranciscos.com/ [/*]

Wow~! Another one I hadn't seen! They sure are everywhere!

Maybe he found an online girlfriend in another state who came and picked him up. Maybe they need to search their computers for more clues. They're doing all of these searches in the area he went missing, but he may not even be in those parts!

desmom

02-23-2008, 05:51 PM

Same family? http://corkd.com/people/thefranciscos/reverse_buddies

Nellie

02-23-2008, 06:05 PM

Watch this interview with Christina where she talks about being broke. It's certainly different than what she said on Greta. She even speaks about his car. Just watch it. I thought it wa interesting.

souhttp://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=6516902&src=newsnding

And on the Big Story a man from AMW was interviewed and said that police had looked at his financial situation and found nothing.
I guess they didn't look at his Pay Pal account that would have told them everything about his debt, huh?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331893,00.html

At this point, police are looking through Nicholas' financial records, but they can't find anything. Normally, when you look through somebody's records you will find some debts being owed or you'll find that this guy had enemies.

So, which is it? Are they broke or not? Seems their are conflicting stories on that.

Nellie

02-23-2008, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by desmom
Same family? http://corkd.com/people/thefranciscos/reverse_buddies [/*]

Probably....

desmom

02-23-2008, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by Nellie
Watch this interview with Christina where she talks about being broke. It's certainly different than what she said on Greta. She even speaks about his car. Just watch it. I thought it wa interesting.

souhttp://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=6516902&src=newsnding

And on the Big Story a man from AMW was interviewed and said that police had looked at his financial situation and found nothing.
I guess they didn't look at his Pay Pal account that would have told them everything about his debt, huh?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331893,00.html

So, which is it? Are they broke or not? Seems their are conflicting stories on that. [/*]

What the heck was the sobbing-with-hand-over-mouth, takes a deep breath and then looks at the reporter and not a tear?

desmom

02-23-2008, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

So, which is it? Are they broke or not? Seems their are conflicting stories on that. [/*]

http://vintageindie.typepad.com/vintage_indie/2008/02/vi-news---missi.html

According to Christine's sister (Jannell) financial support is desperately needed. Christine has a 4 and 2 year old and is pregnant with her third child (due in October).

Nellie

02-23-2008, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by desmom

What the heck was the sobbing-with-hand-over-mouth, takes a deep breath and then looks at the reporter and not a tear? [/*]

It was weird, wasn't it? I didn't want to give any opinion of the interview ....I wanted to see what others thought. It was like she was so totally broken up and then just snapped right out of it! Strange body language.

And then the part of being broke and the sarcasm in her voice when she says "look at his car...".

This gal just strikes me as a "woe is me" type of gal. JMO

desmom

02-23-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

It was weird, wasn't it? I didn't want to give any opinion of the interview ....I wanted to see what others thought. It was like she was so totally broken up and then just snapped right out of it! Strange body language.

And then the part of being broke and the sarcasm in her voice when she says "look at his car...".

This gal just strikes me as a "woe is me" type of gal. JMO [/*]

Maybe she forgot about the one in the garage http://thefranciscos.com/2006/11/27/our-house/

When our kids were little we had 2 cars - DH used for one for work (the older of the 2) and Mom (that's me) drove the newer car. Hubby did not want me breaking down on the highway with the babies.

dulcinea

02-23-2008, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Maybe she forgot about the one in the garage http://thefranciscos.com/2006/11/27/our-house/

When our kids were little we had 2 cars - DH used for one for work (the older of the 2) and Mom (that's me) drove the newer car. Hubby did not want me breaking down on the highway with the babies. [/*]

Assuming that is their car and they indeed still have it, it looks like a Subaru. Those are not cheap cars. I'm not insinuating anything, just commenting. I have no idea what happened to Nicholas or if his wife knows anything about it either.

Danette44

02-23-2008, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Maybe she forgot about the one in the garage http://thefranciscos.com/2006/11/27/our-house/

When our kids were little we had 2 cars - DH used for one for work (the older of the 2) and Mom (that's me) drove the newer car. Hubby did not want me breaking down on the highway with the babies. [/*]

I thought it was said she just started her business, and in that picture of her house they have comments and she said her business was doing great and had alot of order for christmas. And that was dated in 06!

And here I thought the case with the college kids on the run was confusing.....oh brother......jmoo

desmom

02-23-2008, 07:27 PM

Christine may know absolutey zilch about her husband's disappearance, but I find some of her statements and actions confusing...suspect...odd.

huskiki

02-23-2008, 10:55 PM

huskiki

02-23-2008, 11:01 PM

The story is on The Line Up on Fox News right now.

And Christine isn't doing the interview. Some friend of his is.

huskiki

02-23-2008, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by desmom

http://vintageindie.typepad.com/vintage_indie/2008/02/vi-news---missi.html

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Just watched the video and after listening to that and reading the above comment I think things are falling into place for me. It's just my half baked theory but ...the woman is only 7 weeks pregnant. She probably just found out, told him and he freaked. It's one possibility at least. She's due in October, it's only February ...just saying.

Oh and they're broke she said. Somewhere else I read that they're not living in poverty. Which is it?

And ...boy did she snap right out of her little crying spell.

I'm done, for now. I've been out for most of the night so I have to catch up.

huskiki

02-23-2008, 11:11 PM

Nellie

02-23-2008, 11:21 PM

Originally posted by desmom
Christine may know absolutey zilch about her husband's disappearance, but I find some of her statements and actions confusing...suspect...odd. [/*]

That's my feelings desmom. I'm not so sure she knows anything about his dissappearance and at first I thought he just took off on his own. Now I just don't know what I think. But, the actions of Christine are bothering me. She may just be a drama "it's all about me" queen who likes the attention of people coming to her aid.

I wish they'd find Nicholas. This whole thing is so odd. It's usually the woman who goes missing and people are all over the husband like he's done something and they sure aren't setting up funds for him. If it hadn't been for the immediate cries for money I would have still thought it was a man who just took off.

huskiki

02-23-2008, 11:49 PM

Another website ...it never ends!

http://new.jpgmag.com/people/bella

Don't get me wrong, I've been known to have a blog or two or even three sometimes but I don't put my whole life out there for the world to see, not like this. In this day and age people need to be a little more cautious about what they post on the web, meaning pictures, locations, etc. I don't put any pictures of my kids online, I know many do ...maybe I just follow these kind of stories too often.

Anyway, she does take good pictures.

flipflop

02-23-2008, 11:56 PM

Did anyone see the wife on Nancy Grace just now? I think it was a repeat.

As she was responding, I could see a squnched up face, a crying voice but no tears. Then in the middle of that she was asked a question and her voice goes back to normal.

It just seems odd to me. I could be totally wrong and I hope I am but something doesn't seem right.

Danette44

02-24-2008, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by flipflop
Did anyone see the wife on Nancy Grace just now? I think it was a repeat.

As she was responding, I could see a squnched up face, a crying voice but no tears. Then in the middle of that she was asked a question and her voice goes back to normal.

It just seems odd to me. I could be totally wrong and I hope I am but something doesn't seem right. [/*]

I seen that the other night flipflop - she sure snap out of it fast - kinda reminded me of SP. So it seems all his family is doing the leg work now - I'm sorry but nothing in the world could keep me sitting home and not looking for my husband! She is going from forum to forum reading everything people say..........so I asked a few times on a blog she was posting to about a polygraph test and got no answer from her at all. It just seems fair she takes one as do many people do just to clear their names. JMOO

Nellie

02-24-2008, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by huskiki
Another website ...it never ends!

http://new.jpgmag.com/people/bella

Don't get me wrong, I've been known to have a blog or two or even three sometimes but I don't put my whole life out there for the world to see, not like this. In this day and age people need to be a little more cautious about what they post on the web, meaning pictures, locations, etc. I don't put any pictures of my kids online, I know many do ...maybe I just follow these kind of stories too often.

Anyway, she does take good pictures. [/*]

Yes, she does take great photos!

KindraLore

02-24-2008, 12:28 AM

I am just wondering why you guys are so down on the wife. I saw the video and I saw all of the pics on the flickr account.

They look like a happy couple and great parents. Everyone deals with things differently and I for one feel very sorry for her.

If you suspect her, what do you think she has done? Obviously the police do not suspect her.

Nick's brother did an interview in which he stated that she has not asked for money at all. That was started on the Etsy boards and by the public requesting where they could donate.

Nellie

02-24-2008, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by KindraLore
I am just wondering why you guys are so down on the wife. I saw the video and I saw all of the pics on the flickr account.

They look like a happy couple and great parents. Everyone deals with things differently and I for one feel very sorry for her.

If you suspect her, what do you think she has done? Obviously the police do not suspect her.

Nick's brother did an interview in which he stated that she has not asked for money at all. That was started on the Etsy boards and by the public requesting where they could donate. [/*]

I, for one, have loved viewing the pics of the kids. And, I agree...they appear to be very happy. Beautiful photography too.

I don't think anyone is down on the wife. This is a place where people try to look at the clues to solve mysteries. So, we look at things from all angles.

I also feel bad for her and his family. This has to be a terrible time for her if he is truly missing. The fund raising is a turn off for me, to be honest. The urgent need for money only days after he goes missing bothers me. Before I found out about the fund raising, I thought he had run off. Now I don't know what to think. The fund raising put a kink in my thoughts.

I realize you are saying she didn't ask for money. Not directly possibly. But she sure isn't turning it down and I thought I had read that she is even putting in requests of what they need, like Target cards. And I would think she gave permission for her Pay Pal account to be used for funds to be put in. But I've seen this happen before and once it begins, you don't have to ask for money. Other people do it for you. It appears on Etsy that her sister solicited funds for her. To me that's the same as her asking for it. I've seen his family on tv and can't imagine that they would let her or the children starve, so why all the worry about money? Family takes care of family, right? She's not all alone. The fund raising was just too premature for me. Maybe if he had been missing longer....but not after only a few days. At that point, what made her or anyone else think he wasn't coming home?

I don't know that I think the wife is guilty of anything...other than accepting gifts and funds. That's just a turn off to me personally.
She should have a local community and family helping her out...not turning to total strangers on the web for help. Just my opinion and others don't agree, I'm sure.

I hope Nicholas is found soon...safe...and returns to his family.
I'm not sure I suspect any foul play.
He may have just taken off. Maybe he had an online or local romance going on????
At this point, anything is possible.

RainyNiteNTx

02-24-2008, 09:07 AM

I've searched Fox News and the Seattle Times and have come up empty handed. I think their computers should be searched if they haven't already been. From all the pics online out there of them, someone could have become obsessed with him and stalked him. Just another scenario thrown out there.

jagstar58

02-24-2008, 09:41 AM

I had the hardest time finding this case for discussion on the web. Thanks so much to the wonderful posters who provided the photography links.

She definitely knows her way around a camera. What a pleasant scroll I've had with my morning coffee.

I'm not convinced Nick was kidnapped or met with foul play yet. It seems almost convenient he notified her his cell wasn't working. I hope for the best as it appears they were happy in the photos. Having said that, I know photos can be deceiving too.

Those children are little darlings and they need their mommy and daddy home with them. JMHO

Heidi J.

02-24-2008, 10:01 AM

Friends blog (http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/)

Danette44

02-24-2008, 10:01 AM

Good Morning Nellie - I had read on another thread that people were offering to send gift packages for her 2 kids and she said no she needed the money, than you hear about the target cards. I am going to write Nancy and Greta and ask them to find out if she has taken a polygraph yet. jmoo

RainyNiteNTx

02-24-2008, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by Heidi J.
Friends blog (http://thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com/) [/*]

On one pic, it says "they were dorks"....its just a pet peeve of mine but I hate when a person is missing that they are referred to in the past tense.

wondering?

02-24-2008, 11:20 AM

I for one, do not think that the wife's reaction to her husband's disappearance is abnormal.
Since I lost my sister, there are times that I can talk about her clearly and calmly, then at other times my voice breaks, eyes tear up and can barely speak.

Emotions are something that sometimes can be controlled and at other times I can be overwhelmed. I am sure that everyone here has had that happen.

To disappear right at Valentine's Day can have it's own heartbreak.
Please stop judging this wife, at least until more is found out about this case.

To have several websites with pictures on them is not unusual. Some sites seem good until a better, easier one comes along.

Don't think I would put a picture of my home on the internet, unless I was trying to sell it. Better to keep that and pictures of the kids on a site that is for family/friends viewing only.

Too many out here that will analyze every picture, every thought, so keep it to those who love and understand u and your situation!

Really hope that the husband is found soon and there can be a good resolution to this case.

RainyNiteNTx

02-24-2008, 11:59 AM

When Elizabeth Smart went missing, Ed Smart came across on the TV as a loon IMO. Susan Smith came across as a grieving terrified mother. You just can't tell by how they act. I don't think anything has been said here that has not been said or speculated about on every other missing person case. The one closest to the missing is looked at first, at least that is the case when the wife goes missing.

I don't know the guy so I am probably way out of line, but it seems he had a hard life. He worked two jobs, got up, brought the wife coffee in bed, fixed the babies breakfast, stopped at the store, etc. Maybe he loved doing that - or maybe he just got tired and walked off. Pure speculation just like with any other case.

Nellie

02-24-2008, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
When Elizabeth Smart went missing, Ed Smart came across on the TV as a loon IMO. Susan Smith came across as a grieving terrified mother. You just can't tell by how they act. I don't think anything has been said here that has not been said or speculated about on every other missing person case. The one closest to the missing is looked at first, at least that is the case when the wife goes missing.

I don't know the guy so I am probably way out of line, but it seems he had a hard life. He worked two jobs, got up, brought the wife coffee in bed, fixed the babies breakfast, stopped at the store, etc. Maybe he loved doing that - or maybe he just got tired and walked off. Pure speculation just like with any other case. [/*]

Coffee in bed is a bit much...don't you think? They weren't newlyweds! Do you think that's true, or just a fantasy?

I'm not saying so much about her appearances on tv
It's the fund raising that is bothering me.
Why is so much needed so quickly? But I'm always turned off with the desperate cries for money. Whether she came out directly and asked them to send it, she did ask by implication. There's more than one way to ask for something. How would anyone know she desperately needed it if she hadn 't said it?
It's the money that is odd to me.

Nellie

02-24-2008, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by Danette44
Good Morning Nellie - I had read on another thread that people were offering to send gift packages for her 2 kids and she said no she needed the money, than you hear about the target cards. I am going to write Nancy and Greta and ask them to find out if she has taken a polygraph yet. jmoo [/*]

See, that's what I don't like. Maybe because I've seen it on boards before. I've witnessed this same thing before with sending a person lots of money, then gift cards to stores and gift cards for restaurants, and care packages for the kids. I've seen it before. And I've also seen the mother asking that gifts not be sent to the kids, but gift cards would be nice.

I think she would be better served to ask that all donations be stopped immediately, except those that are for the search for her husband. Otherwise, it just looks like a moneymaker...sorry...that's what it looks like.

I saw them offering to buy the kids clothes and toys, crayons, etc. Now I ask. Did the kids outgrow their clothes as soon as daddy left? Break all of their crayons? Lose their toys? I'm not trying to be mean and I think I understand that people are being good hearted and just trying to send the kids something to take their minds off of missing daddy. But, I honestly don't think clothes will do it and I bet they have lots of toys and crayons. IMO, the children should have been shielded by their mother of what exactly is going on. Instead she talks about them seeing daddy on tv and crying. So, why is she letting them watch the news about him???

I don't know that I think she's done anything to him. But I just don't like the money being thrown at her for whatever. It's probably because of my past experience of witnessing this before.

And she is so sure he's met foul play and I keep wondering why she is so sure. Does she WANT to believe that? Is it easier to believe that than think he might have left her? I don't know, but she never seems hopeful that he's returning. I've seen her post that she KNOWS he met with foul play. No begging for someone to return him. How could she KNOW what has happened to him?
Maybe that seems better to her than the alternative of him walking off on his own.

The aftermath of this story is what I find so odd....

Nellie

02-24-2008, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I've searched Fox News and the Seattle Times and have come up empty handed. I think their computers should be searched if they haven't already been. From all the pics online out there of them, someone could have become obsessed with him and stalked him. Just another scenario thrown out there. [/*]

With their obvious online life, I also think their computer/s need to be searched for clues of where he is. He may have started up an online romance and met her and took off in her car and be clear across the country, but yet they are searching for him right there.

I know it's been said over and over and over that he'd never leave his family. He'd never leave his children. The exact same thing was said about Beth Smith (anyone remember her?) and that's exactly what happened! And they were religious people too.....he was even a pastor! Remember?

I definately think their computers need tooked at, but I guess the police can't confiscate them because it's not considered to be a crime at this point. Right?

RainyNiteNTx

02-24-2008, 12:28 PM

Maybe Christine was referring to just some times that Nicholas brought her coffee in bed - I just got the impression that he did it every morning and I'm probably wrong about that.

huskiki

02-24-2008, 12:31 PM

Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

Hoping for more news today. Maybe Nicholas will be found, that would be great news.

Someone mentioned coming down on the wife. We're just exploring all angles and what happens when a woman goes missing?? The husband is the one who takes the heat. I don't think any of us have come out and said that we think she's responsible for disappearnce. Personally I think that he took off. And to those who say he was a loving husband and father, I'm sure he was. We hear many stories of otherwise normal couples where the husband or wife has a double life, it happens. As for the money, I think it's odd. Even though she didn't start up any of these funds, she's still in the media stating that they are broke. It seems as if she has a support system, many people who are helping her so I don't know why she needs to bring that up in interviews. IMO/JMO

Nellie

02-24-2008, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

Hoping for more news today. Maybe Nicholas will be found, that would be great news.

Someone mentioned coming down on the wife. We're just exploring all angles and what happens when a woman goes missing?? The husband is the one who takes the heat. I don't think any of us have come out and said that we think she's responsible for disappearnce. Personally I think that he took off. And to those who say he was a loving husband and father, I'm sure he was. We hear many stories of otherwise normal couples where the husband or wife has a double life, it happens. As for the money, I think it's odd. Even though she didn't start up any of these funds, she's still in the media stating that they are broke. It seems as if she has a support system, many people who are helping her so I don't know why she needs to bring that up in interviews. IMO/JMO [/*]

I'm leaning toward him taking off too. And if he did, I'm leaning toward him being far away from that community, so searching for him there will do no good. If he took off, he doesn't want to be found and he had a plan and was picked up by someone. I remember when Beth Smith took off from the Christian Conference she was at, she took a bus away from the area. I wonder if bus stations or even train stations or airports in the Seattle area have been checked. Why are they concentrating their search in just that small area?

The money thing may be a separate issue from him missing. It may just be Christine's personality to tell her woes and be willing to accept any help given to her. But, anytime someone lets others know "we're in desperate need of money"....they're asking for it, imo.

desmom

02-24-2008, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Maybe Christine was referring to just some times that Nicholas brought her coffee in bed - I just got the impression that he did it every morning and I'm probably wrong about that. [/*]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/21/ng.01.html

Nancy Grace: Christine, what happened that day? Anything at all out of the ordinary?

Francisco: Nope. Perfectly normal. He got up with the kids like he always does, makes them breakfast and spends time with them before he has to go to work. He came in, he brings me coffee every morning. He`s so sweet and -- he kissed me good-bye. And he left for work. I talked to him through the day and he sounded fine. And then I talked to him for the last time at 6:00.

RainyNiteNTx

02-24-2008, 12:45 PM

Wasn't he or his car spotted at a storage unit? Have they opened all of those units? Have they checked out who they all belong to? IFFFFFFFFFF he did just leave either by himself or with someone, its possible he had some things stored there. Has Christine checked to see if any clothes or shoes are missing? (I know you guys don't know lol - just asking some questions for discussion)

RainyNiteNTx

02-24-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by desmom

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/21/ng.01.html

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Thanks Desmom - she sure has a jewel for a husband.

huskiki

02-24-2008, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I'm leaning toward him taking off too. And if he did, I'm leaning toward him being far away from that community, so searching for him there will do no good. If he took off, he doesn't want to be found and he had a plan and was picked up by someone. I remember when Beth Smith took off from the Christian Conference she was at, she took a bus away from the area. I wonder if bus stations or even train stations or airports in the Seattle area have been checked. Why are they concentrating their search in just that small area?

The money thing may be a separate issue from him missing. It may just be Christine's personality to tell her woes and be willing to accept any help given to her. But, anytime someone lets others know "we're in desperate need of money"....they're asking for it, imo. [/*]

Yes, I remember Beth, she was found in NY. We don't know what LE is doing in the case, the only interviews I have seen are with Christine or some male friend of theirs. It could be that LE is hot on his trail and that's why they're not talking. I'm with you and think that if he took off then he's far, far away. Which is exactly why pc's need to be looked at, both home and work.

You know, I just don't know what to think about people who leave on their own. As adults we have a right to do what we want but with all these missing people in the world it's just not fair to take off without letting someone know what you're up to.

huskiki

02-24-2008, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Wasn't he or his car spotted at a storage unit? Have they opened all of those units? Have they checked out who they all belong to? IFFFFFFFFFF he did just leave either by himself or with someone, its possible he had some things stored there. Has Christine checked to see if any clothes or shoes are missing? (I know you guys don't know lol - just asking some questions for discussion) [/*]

Hmmmmmm ...I thought his car was found at a condo complex. I need to keep a running tab of links when I read these stories. I forget where I saw what :confused:

RainyNiteNTx

02-24-2008, 12:54 PM

RainyNiteNTx

02-24-2008, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hmmmmmm ...I thought his car was found at a condo complex. I need to keep a running tab of links when I read these stories. I forget where I saw what :confused: [/*]

It was but I thought I read where someone said they spotted him or his car at a storage unit. I need to keep a notebook also. I've almost posted on this thread about John Glasgow - too many people missing that need to come home!

Nellie

02-24-2008, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by desmom

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/21/ng.01.html

quote:
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Nancy Grace: Christine, what happened that day? Anything at all out of the ordinary?

Francisco: Nope. Perfectly normal. He got up with the kids like he always does, makes them breakfast and spends time with them before he has to go to work. He came in, he brings me coffee every morning. He`s so sweet and -- he kissed me good-bye. And he left for work. I talked to him through the day and he sounded fine. And then I talked to him for the last time at 6:00.
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Man, what time did this poor guy have to get up to do all of this before leaving for work? And she just always stayed in bed? Weird. Maybe this is a fantasy? Do guys really do this? And she's still in bed when he leaves? When does she get up with the children? Just questions that ran through my head when I read that.

desmom

02-24-2008, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

It was but I thought I read where someone said they spotted him or his car at a storage unit. I need to keep a notebook also. I've almost posted on this thread about John Glasgow - too many people missing that need to come home! [/*]

Possible sightings of missing dad give family hope

http://www.katu.com/news/local/15724947.html

One is a possible sighting of Nicholas Francisco at a Shell station off Elliott Avenue on Wednesday evening, Brown said. The person who reported the sighting recognized him from his photo, which has been widely distributed by local news media and on flyers.

Deputies also are checking out a tip from a witness who says they saw Nicholas Francisco's car at a Burien public storage on Thursday, Brown said.

RainyNiteNTx

02-24-2008, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by desmom

Possible sightings of missing dad give family hope

http://www.katu.com/news/local/15724947.html

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Thanks again Desmom :) I have a good memory but usually can't remember which article to back it up.:seeya:

RainyNiteNTx

02-24-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Man, what time did this poor guy have to get up to do all of this before leaving for work? And she just always stayed in bed? Weird. Maybe this is a fantasy? Do guys really do this? And she's still in bed when he leaves? When does she get up with the children? Just questions that ran through my head when I read that. [/*]

LOL Nellie - I was afraid to go down this road. I was afraid I'd get bashed because she had two small children and one on the way. However, I'm a mother also and I work full time outside the home, so IMO Nicholas did more than his fair share.

Danette44

02-24-2008, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

With their obvious online life, I also think their computer/s need to be searched for clues of where he is. He may have started up an online romance and met her and took off in her car and be clear across the country, but yet they are searching for him right there.

I know it's been said over and over and over that he'd never leave his family. He'd never leave his children. The exact same thing was said about Beth Smith (anyone remember her?) and that's exactly what happened! And they were religious people too.....he was even a pastor! Remember?

I definately think their computers need tooked at, but I guess the police can't confiscate them because it's not considered to be a crime at this point. Right? [/*]

Isn't she the one who went to the convention in NO, and ended up taking a bus to NY and was working in a fast food place?? I wonder also if her husband took off with another woman, and they should be looking at his computer from work also. I haven't heard one word about them taking their computers and it seems Christine still has one at home as she is always posting online. The money is way to far fetch for me - her husbands work has put out that donation, and I'm sure if she was THAT tight for money they would of helped her out. I pray this isn't a scam that went bad - and pray her husband is found safe and sound. moo

Nellie

02-24-2008, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

LOL Nellie - I was afraid to go down this road. I was afraid I'd get bashed because she had two small children and one on the way. However, I'm a mother also and I work full time outside the home, so IMO Nicholas did more than his fair share. [/*]

If their normal routine is as she says....and she just lies in bed waiting to be served her coffee while he is up feeding the children and getting ready for work. Well, if it was me, I'd eventually walk too! The whole scene makes her sound like "the queen". It sounds like a fantasy....not real life. Not sure I believe it.

Nellie

02-24-2008, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Isn't she the one who went to the convention in NO, and ended up taking a bus to NY and was working in a fast food place?? I wonder also if her husband took off with another woman, and they should be looking at his computer from work also. I haven't heard one word about them taking their computers and it seems Christine still has one at home as she is always posting online. The money is way to far fetch for me - her husbands work has put out that donation, and I'm sure if she was THAT tight for money they would of helped her out. I pray this isn't a scam that went bad - and pray her husband is found safe and sound. moo [/*]

Not only the money online, but I believe I read that they are getting family and community support. IMO, it's just too much too soon. It's too instant. People act like she can't carry on with life...let's get them meals delivered. I'm sorry...not to sound cruel....but if she can sit and post on different forums, she could cook. It was also mentioned that they had a household of friends and family helping......that was in response to people on etsy volunteering to babysit for her. They didn't need anymore people at the house, it was full already. So, this woman is not all alone in this! And I don't think his family or her family are going to let them starve! I even wonder if her family even knows about all of this fundraising going on. Who knows it was her sister who spread the word of the "desperate need for money"? Maybe it was her saying it. I hate to be such a skeptic, but I've dealt with these kinds of things before. I once had a woman pretending to be her own daughter in emails. She had some "odd" typing habits and lo and behold, her daughter had the same "odd" typing habits. LOL!

Does anyone know the last name of her sister? I saw it somewhere but now lost it. Does she have an Etsy store? Anyone know about any other family members?

Yes, he would have a computer at work and the computer at home that needs to be checked. The police aren't doing that, I guess. I'm not sure they are treating it like it's foul play at all.
She also said he had a laptop that is missing, along with his cell phone being gone.

Danette44

02-24-2008, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Not only the money online, but I believe I read that they are getting family and community support. IMO, it's just too much too soon. It's too instant. People act like she can't carry on with life...let's get them meals delivered. I'm sorry...not to sound cruel....but if she can sit and post on different forums, she could cook. It was also mentioned that they had a household of friends and family helping......that was in response to people on etsy volunteering to babysit for her. They didn't need anymore people at the house, it was full already. So, this woman is not all alone in this! And I don't think his family or her family are going to let them starve! I even wonder if her family even knows about all of this fundraising going on. Who knows it was her sister who spread the word of the "desperate need for money"? Maybe it was her saying it. I hate to be such a skeptic, but I've dealt with these kinds of things before. I once had a woman pretending to be her own daughter in emails. She had some "odd" typing habits and lo and behold, her daughter had the same "odd" typing habits. LOL!

Does anyone know the last name of her sister? I saw it somewhere but now lost it. Does she have an Etsy store? Anyone know about any other family members?

Yes, he would have a computer at work and the computer at home that needs to be checked. The police aren't doing that, I guess. I'm not sure they are treating it like it's foul play at all.
She also said he had a laptop that is missing, along with his cell phone being gone. [/*]

Wow! I missed the laptop being missing - that just makes me wonder more if he just up and left on his own! I think the police feel he left on his own and thats why they haven't taken the computers or given her a polygraph yet. His car also was all locked - up, if foul play was involved would you make sure your car is locked, would it be moved around, I feel with it being moved around (whoever was moving it) didn't want it to be noticed so soon in the parking lot. jmo

cloudajo

02-24-2008, 02:29 PM

cloudajo

02-24-2008, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Nellie
Ok after seeing that a Fund has already been set up at a Bank for this family and the wife commented about the bills and the money being so appreciated, I'm starting to see things differently. Could this be a scam? I'm just really surprised at the speediness of setting up a fund. Why? What was the money so urgently needed for in just a few days of a man missing? It sounds to me like it's being used for bills. The man hasn't been gone that long. The fund just seems really premature to me. Does it anyone else? Is it a fund to pay their bills? Or a fund to print up flyers and search for him?

I honestly at first thought maybe the man just took off .....maybe had a double life. Now I'm beginning to smell a scam. Anyone else?

JMO.....hope I'm wrong. Also hope he's safe. [/*]

Nellie, I just started reading about this case. I have the exact same thoughts.

Nellie

02-24-2008, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by cloudajo

Nellie, I just started reading about this case. I have the exact same thoughts. [/*]

I'm just not so sure anymore. Scam crossed my mind when I first saw all of the fund raising going on for her. But then I got to thinking it was quite an elaborate scam that would require him to go someplace for awhile. It would be easier online to run a "cancer scam" or "my house burned down" scam, without involving anyone to dissappear.

So, now I'm just leaning toward no scam set up, but a young woman who is very willing to let anyone and everyone take care of her. She plays the "woe is me" card and people take it from there. I've seen it before.

So, it may not be a scam, but yet they money fix bothers me. It came too quickly and was accepted too quickly. JMO

cloudajo

02-24-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I'm just not so sure anymore. Scam crossed my mind when I first saw all of the fund raising going on for her. But then I got to thinking it was quite an elaborate scam that would require him to go someplace for awhile. It would be easier online to run a "cancer scam" or "my house burned down" scam, without involving anyone to dissappear.

So, now I'm just leaning toward no scam set up, but a young woman who is very willing to let anyone and everyone take care of her. She plays the "woe is me" card and people take it from there. I've seen it before.

So, it may not be a scam, but yet they money fix bothers me. It came too quickly and was accepted too quickly. JMO [/*]

Actually it was not the scam part I was referring to, but the immediate requests for donations, and the setting up of accounts people could contribute to. This bothers me.

Some of the statements made by the wife bother me. I also noticed the dry crying she does during interviews.

Something does not seem right.

shelkobe

02-24-2008, 03:01 PM

This article says his car doors were unlocked.

It also says: Before he hung up after speaking with his wife last week, Francisco told her that his cell phone had gone dead -- a detail that has prevented authorities from tracking him. Authorities haven't seen any activity in his bank accounts, though Urquhart said they have not yet obtained all his financial records. http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=4325797&page=2

elledub

02-24-2008, 03:43 PM

If he did leave on his own, that could possibly explain why the wife was under the impression their financial situation was better off that it is - maybe he had been putting money from pay pal into a separate account or stashing cash for his "get away."

Nellie

02-24-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by shelkobe
This article says his car doors were unlocked.

It also says: http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=4325797&page=2 [/*]

Did they check ALL of his financial records?
Did they check his Pay Pal account?
Cause his wife evidently saw something on it that alarmed her.
Maybe LE needs to look at that account too.
What alarmed his wife when she looked at it? That puzzles me.
Did he withdraw a large sum of money from it the day he went missing???? It would show if there was any withdrawal from his Pay Pal account on that day. Police need to look at it, imo. They also need to confiscate his computer and see what clues are on it. With their internet use, there could definately be some clues to what is going on, imo.

dulcinea

02-24-2008, 04:10 PM

Where is the car now? Was it impounded? Was it left where it was and is being watched to see if anyone comes back for it?

Danette44

02-24-2008, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by shelkobe
This article says his car doors were unlocked.

It also says: http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=4325797&page=2 [/*]

My bad - I could of sworn they said it was locked, they really "LE", needs to check all his and hers account, and I hope someone other than Christine is handling all these donations that are coming in - wonder if any of it will be added to the reward fund??

Track292003

02-24-2008, 04:30 PM

I read somewhere on the Internet that some of the people who live in the apartment/condo complex where Nicholas's car was found -- before they knew who it belonged to -- had been wondering if the car had been parked there by someone in a neighboring apartment/condo complex that had run out of available parking spaces. (Not an uncommon practice, apparently.)

So, I think it would make sense for LE to check for Nicholas's scent in/around the neighboring complexes. Have they done so, does anyone know?

huskiki

02-24-2008, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Man, what time did this poor guy have to get up to do all of this before leaving for work? And she just always stayed in bed? Weird. Maybe this is a fantasy? Do guys really do this? And she's still in bed when he leaves? When does she get up with the children? Just questions that ran through my head when I read that. [/*]

I don't know one guy that does. If you find one send him my way! LOL

huskiki

02-24-2008, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Wow! I missed the laptop being missing - that just makes me wonder more if he just up and left on his own! I think the police feel he left on his own and thats why they haven't taken the computers or given her a polygraph yet. His car also was all locked - up, if foul play was involved would you make sure your car is locked, would it be moved around, I feel with it being moved around (whoever was moving it) didn't want it to be noticed so soon in the parking lot. jmo [/*]

I missed that too, guess I'm more awake now. Dead cell phone (didn't he have a car charger?) and missing laptop ...sounds more and more like he split. IMO/JMO

Nellie

02-24-2008, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I missed that too, guess I'm more awake now. Dead cell phone (didn't he have a car charger?) and missing laptop ...sounds more and more like he split. IMO/JMO [/*]

I'm really not sure the laptop was ever mentioned in news articles. It was Christina who told the Etsy crowd that when they found his car, his laptop and cell phone were missing. I found that interesting and have been wondering if it was ever reported in any news articles.

Well, if he did just take off and has his laptop....he may at some point get online.

He also had an etsy shop. Did you all know that?

And what is up with this headline about "international"...???? First I'd seen any hint of that even and it's not really mentioned in the following articles....only in the headline. Wierd, huh? Am I reading it wrong? I wasn't sure what to make of it.

Seattle Authorities Considering Foul Play and Intentional Flight ...

http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_n8/idn2008.02.22.01.17.56.html

RainyNiteNTx

02-24-2008, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I missed that too, guess I'm more awake now. Dead cell phone (didn't he have a car charger?) and missing laptop ...sounds more and more like he split. IMO/JMO [/*]

I asked about a car charger early on. Someone said he may not have had one, but these are very simple easy questions to ask and get an answer for.

Pinetree

02-24-2008, 04:56 PM

If LE wants to check the financial situation, can't the wife just turn everything over to them?

Is his cell phone missing or did he leave it at work?

carterkatt

02-24-2008, 04:58 PM

In regards to financial info... if accounts had been touched or not (they had not been, right?). Wonder if they recently got a tax refund check or deposit, and if that's missing?

Just thinking out loud..... IMO, etc.

Brooke

02-24-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

And what is up with this headline about "international"...???? First I'd seen any hint of that even and it's not really mentioned in the following articles....only in the headline. Wierd, huh? Am I reading it wrong? I wasn't sure what to make of it.

http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_n8/idn2008.02.22.01.17.56.html [/*]

I see INTENTIONAL not INTERNATIONAL, I think you read it wrong ;)

Nellie

02-24-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Brooke

I see INTENTIONAL not INTERNATIONAL, I think you read it wrong ;) [/*]

Laughing at myself about now! LOL! Whew! I knew it was the first time I'd seen it and I was like "Say what????"! LOL!

Excuse me! This is how rumors get started, right? So sorry! Wasn't intentional!

Nellie

02-24-2008, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by carterkatt
In regards to financial info... if accounts had been touched or not (they had not been, right?). Wonder if they recently got a tax refund check or deposit, and if that's missing?

Just thinking out loud..... IMO, etc. [/*]

IMO, if LE didn't check his Pay Pal account, they didn't check all of his financial information.

Good thought about a tax refund.

Brooke

02-24-2008, 05:07 PM

The more I read and the longer this has gone on I too am thinkng he ran off.

Maybe Christine sincerely wants to believe he would never leave his family, maybe that is just too hard for her to wrap her mind around.

kaylynn

02-24-2008, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I asked about a car charger early on. Someone said he may not have had one, but these are very simple easy questions to ask and get an answer for. [/*]

I agree. All LE or someone would have to do is ask Christine. I'm sure she'd know.
It is possible he didn't have one though, I guess. Not everyone does.

RainyNiteNTx

02-24-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Brooke
The more I read and the longer this has gone on I too am thinkng he ran off.

Maybe Christine sincerely wants to believe he would never leave his family, maybe that is just too hard for her to wrap her mind around. [/*]

See we can speculate on this board all possible scenarios, but I've been looking at another blog and wow, it has come unwound. Some of the people who own those shops are just short of putting curses on people lol who speculate, ask questions, or even suggest anything other than foul play.

carterkatt

02-24-2008, 05:24 PM

Ok....I'll jump in and ask the dumb question - which seems no one but me has... but the heck exactly is an "ETSY" store? From what I'm gathering.. it's on online "store" she has that offers handmade things that she has made? Is this correct?

Is there an ETSY "community" of others that have online "stores" that have banded together to help?

Please correct me and lead me down the right path if I'm totally confused (that would not be a first!). TIA! :confused:

RainyNiteNTx

02-24-2008, 05:30 PM

I have never even heard of Etsy shops until now, but what I can figure out is this. There are groups of shops that sell homemade items. It is a small community of online friends with "shops". When they heard about Christine's plight, they (some of them) began donating their items for her benefit. Others outside the Etsy community started questioning it and some of the Etsy folks just came unwound wishing bad karma on people - saying "they were jealous evil people", etc. At the same time, they are promoting Christianity (which is fine and good) but it seems hypocritcal to hear talk out of both sides of their mouth.

RainyNiteNTx

02-24-2008, 05:36 PM

I think this has been posted before, but if you scroll down through the comments you will see that some people have brought comments from the Etsy folks over to this blog...

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841#comments

huskiki

02-24-2008, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I'm really not sure the laptop was ever mentioned in news articles. It was Christina who told the Etsy crowd that when they found his car, his laptop and cell phone were missing. I found that interesting and have been wondering if it was ever reported in any news articles.

Well, if he did just take off and has his laptop....he may at some point get online.

He also had an etsy shop. Did you all know that?

And what is up with this headline about "international"...???? First I'd seen any hint of that even and it's not really mentioned in the following articles....only in the headline. Wierd, huh? Am I reading it wrong? I wasn't sure what to make of it.

http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_n8/idn2008.02.22.01.17.56.html [/*]

It must have been his work laptop. I know a lot of people take them back and forth from work to home and back. He's a web guys so that makes sense. The fact that it's missing could support two things, he took it with him or it was stolen. Still leaving us with no answers.

I knew he had an etsy account too but I couldn't find his shop. I also read that Christine has 3 shops, not 2 but I cannot find the other one. Not that any of this means anything other than they have multiple sources of income ...ahem.

huskiki

02-24-2008, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I think this has been posted before, but if you scroll down through the comments you will see that some people have brought comments from the Etsy folks over to this blog...

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841#comments [/*]

I commented on this blog and I believe that some of them were deleted or there are just too many that I cannot find them. sigh There are a lot of theories within those comments.

Nellie

02-24-2008, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

It must have been his work laptop. I know a lot of people take them back and forth from work to home and back. He's a web guys so that makes sense. The fact that it's missing could support two things, he took it with him or it was stolen. Still leaving us with no answers.

I knew he had an etsy account too but I couldn't find his shop. I also read that Christine has 3 shops, not 2 but I cannot find the other one. Not that any of this means anything other than they have multiple sources of income ...ahem. [/*]

This is his shop.

http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5591152

And it shows communication with a buyer on the very day he went missing.

Also, his wife left comments, but didn't act like she knew him.

Danette44

02-24-2008, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by kaylynn

I agree. All LE or someone would have to do is ask Christine. I'm sure she'd know.
It is possible he didn't have one though, I guess. Not everyone does. [/*]

Come on - this man is a Art Director, not like he couldn't afford one. A devoted husband that "Loves", his family, and is always there for them? I'm sorry but, I would think he would keep his phone charged in case of an emergency. Of all days to be missing his cell phone isn't working. And the day after he is reported missing money is being donated to a PayPal account........hmmmmm JMOO

Nellie

02-24-2008, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Come on - this man is a Art Director, not like he couldn't afford one. A devoted husband that "Loves", his family, and is always there for them? I'm sorry but, I would think he would keep his phone charged in case of an emergency. Of all days to be missing his cell phone isn't working. And the day after he is reported missing money is being donated to a PayPal account........hmmmmm JMOO [/*]

I still keep waiting for word that he's been found.

Danette44

02-24-2008, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I still keep waiting for word that he's been found. [/*]

Me too - and here we are on the 11th day he has been missing.

Nellie

02-24-2008, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Me too - and here we are on the 11th day he has been missing. [/*]

IF...and I say IF this was planned by him and his wife...I think it got bigger than they planned. I'm not saying they planned this, but the theory is "out there". Personally, I can think of easier ways to scam an internet group that wouldn't involve a news crew. But, lets just say they did and now it's grown nationwide...way beyond their expectations. It was the Etsy group that emailed all of the national news people like Greta, Nancy Grace, AMW, etc. to get the coverage of it. It wasn't Christine doing it...or any other family member that I saw. It was this group.....they have threads talking about sending the story to this one and that one.

RainyNiteNTx

02-24-2008, 06:19 PM

I just don't feel that anything bad happened to him, but that could just be wishful thinking on my part. I do hope so much he is found alive and safe. It just sounds like the guy was overloaded - worked two jobs plus his Etsy shop where things are homemade, two kids, and all that his wife described he does before work...I don't know...like I said before, maybe he just got tired.

desmom

02-24-2008, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by carterkatt
Ok....I'll jump in and ask the dumb question - which seems no one but me has... but the heck exactly is an "ETSY" store? From what I'm gathering.. it's on online "store" she has that offers handmade things that she has made? Is this correct?

Is there an ETSY "community" of others that have online "stores" that have banded together to help?

Please correct me and lead me down the right path if I'm totally confused (that would not be a first!). TIA! :confused: [/*]

I had never heard of Etsy before. They started up in 2005 and have over 100,000 salers around the world. http://www.etsy.com/about.php

desmom

02-24-2008, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

It must have been his work laptop. I know a lot of people take them back and forth from work to home and back. He's a web guys so that makes sense. The fact that it's missing could support two things, he took it with him or it was stolen. Still leaving us with no answers.

I knew he had an etsy account too but I couldn't find his shop. I also read that Christine has 3 shops, not 2 but I cannot find the other one. Not that any of this means anything other than they have multiple sources of income ...ahem. [/*]

I think they are including his shop when they say 3.

http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5008691 opened Nov. 28, 2006. (check out the seller's profile)

http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5588252 - Rinnovi Body Spa opened Feb. 1, 2008

and this one is Nicholas' http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5591152 opened Feb. 3, 2008.

(I think)

Danette44

02-24-2008, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

IF...and I say IF this was planned by him and his wife...I think it got bigger than they planned. I'm not saying they planned this, but the theory is "out there". Personally, I can think of easier ways to scam an internet group that wouldn't involve a news crew. But, lets just say they did and now it's grown nationwide...way beyond their expectations. It was the Etsy group that emailed all of the national news people like Greta, Nancy Grace, AMW, etc. to get the coverage of it. It wasn't Christine doing it...or any other family member that I saw. It was this group.....they have threads talking about sending the story to this one and that one. [/*]

Nellie - I just can't see him putting his parents thru all this, after seeing his sisters yesterday on Fox news, I see they were really worried about him. So, if Etsy is the one that did all that do you think they are involved in it with them?