Nicholas Francisco 28, Seattle, 2-13-08 (car found) [Archive] - Page 8

Silver_Dove

03-01-2008, 04:59 PM

dianaelaine

03-01-2008, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by Track292003

_______

Which forum is your message on? [/*]

Open Court

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

Not a gun but emotional gun. The pleas for money were posted with all the donation info on almost every single forum that had any post about C and was posted sometimes on ever single page of the Etsy threads sometimes even 2 times per page. In between were posts by her and/or her family saying how much this helped.

Also when they started wanting to send gift card to her fav places, care packages to her kids

It was a bit of an overkill on the solicitations and never once did she say in any of her post to slow it down a bit. [/*]

Please provide a link where Christine herself posted all these pleas for money, gift cards and such because don't recall that being the case.

If she is indeed in dire straights for money, why should she ask people NOT to donate or whatever. Why should she?

And Frankly did any of you guys donate? If not, I do not understand why you are so concerned where the money is going for/to. It's not illegal for people to donate to other people in need, and its not a sign of guilt to accept help from others willing to do just that.

Silver_Dove

03-01-2008, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

You can say that, but if you had two small children - mouths to feed, in jepardy of losing your home and making everything much worse, then you are saying you would not let people help you?

I'm sure that any of these good natured people that donate personally don't care. They are just trying to help them, period. [/*]

If she is really so needy that she an adult woman can't think about taking care of herself and her kids maybe the neediness just finally got to him and he walked out. After all he was getting up first, getting the kids up, feeding them breakfast, making the coffee, serving her in bed, going to the store after work, making the cookies with the kids at night and this was a normal day. Plus she was laughing of his saying she spent to much time on the internet. Meaning she wasn't even making time for him or he wouldn't complain. She sounds like every guys dream wife.

Oh and lets not forget the first thing she is worried about is taking care of herself not using one red cent to try to get him back since other people can pay for that I guess.

RainyNiteNTx

03-01-2008, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Beth

Not only that, but I don't recall ever seeing a thank you either. [/*]

She did

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

Oh and lets not forget the first thing she is worried about is taking care of herself not using one red cent to try to get him back since other people can pay for that I guess. [/*]

First off, if something bad has happened to Nick, I am sure his wishes would be for Christine to try and take care of her and his children.

As far as spending every "red penny on herself", then I guess you know exactly HOW she is spending the donations. Please, do tell.

dianaelaine

03-01-2008, 05:15 PM

Where did everybody go???

:confused:

Silver_Dove

03-01-2008, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

First off, if something bad has happened to Nick, I am sure his wishes would be for Christine to try and take care of her and his children.

As far as spending every "red penny on herself", then I guess you know exactly HOW she is spending the donations. Please, do tell. [/*]

Okay sorry there are just so so many good women who manage to take care of themselves and their children through bad times with little or no help I sometimes get a bit upset over, over done begging for just one.

Who knows maybe she has spent one cent but I haven't seen the reward go up for quite some time and as I understand all that money came from places other then her.

dianaelaine

03-01-2008, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I'm still here, Diana. Trying to play games with the kids on this rainy/dismal day. I'm lurking when I can.

I am glad there was a thank you. Thank you for clarifying that because it bothered me. [/*]

I'll gladly come play in the rain, and you can come here and play in the SNOW!

UGH! We're getting dumped on, and I need milk and cat food ... but don't want to go clean off my car. But these cats are giving me a strange look. LOL

greeneyez78

03-01-2008, 05:24 PM

Silver Dove.....

That is exactly how I feel, I agree with everything you just said.

I agree, that the whole money donation thing was too much too quick. How did she know that he had not just had an accident where he was stuck in the car, but not severly injured somewhere.

The first interview I seen of her on the news, just made me cringe. I felt sorry for her little girl....the little girl looked so uncomfortable sitting there while her mom hollered, about them not having a daddy anymore. I do believe she shouldnt have her kids around while speaking of them not ever having a daddy again.

I also don't understand her not attending the vigil, and her not searching because she is pregnant(7-8 weeks). I know that no matter what if my hubby was missing, and I had no clue where he was....I would be using every ounce of my energy searching for him, in any way that I was able.

I don't understand how she is so unable to function, she can't take care of her kids, family is taking shifts taking care of them....but she can get online, as much as she does, and confront anyone whom questions things.

Nellie

03-01-2008, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

I dont know what the issue is with the donations. Anyone that donates money does not have a gun to their head. They are doing it out of kindness and compassion for another human being.

Almost ALL of the cases I have followed (minus John Glasgow considering he and his family were well off) have donation funds set up. [/*]

What were the funds for these other cases set up for? Reward or to help find the missing person or to pay off their past bills? If it was to pay for past bills, how soon did those solicitations take place?

And, no gun is pointed at their head to give and I do believe the giving is being done out of kindness and compassion, but I also believe people can be manipulated. I've seen people manipulate things in their lives and even outright lie with sob stories on boards before and someone will take the ball and roll with it and start soliciting funds for them. I've seen it happen and I've seen the fallout when false things are discovered about the "story". So, I'm a skeptic when it comes to online fund rasing I'll admit it. But, I do believe funds can be manipulated out of people without a gun. Sympathy and drama is used. I guess I've just seen it too many times.

In Christine's defense, they may have done TOO MUCH over on Etsy by posting the desperate pleas for money over and over and over and over. It was overkill and made Christine seem way too desperate. But she never tried to stop them and I believe behind the scenes she was encouraging a few of them and then they'd come and be her mouthpiece.

Yes, the money really does bother me.

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by greeneyez78
Silver Dove.....

That is exactly how I feel, I agree with everything you just said.

The first interview I seen of her on the news, just made me cringe. I felt sorry for her little girl....the little girl looked so uncomfortable sitting there while her mom hollered, about them not having a daddy anymore. I do believe she shouldnt have her kids around while speaking of them not ever having a daddy again.

[/*]

Really. Wow, you should watch

this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W8kpgDm1rs) video then. Tell me, are you going to judge this poor lady the same as well?

You people are a tough crowd for sure and I must admire you because obviously if anything like this happened to YOU, you would all have it together.

Musterion

03-01-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

After all he was getting up first, getting the kids up, feeding them breakfast, making the coffee, serving her in bed, going to the store after work, making the cookies with the kids at night and this was a normal day. Plus she was laughing of his saying she spent to much time on the internet. Meaning she wasn't even making time for him or he wouldn't complain. She sounds like every guys dream wife.

Oh and lets not forget the first thing she is worried about is taking care of herself not using one red cent to try to get him back since other people can pay for that I guess. [/*]

We don't know that he got up first. She said he got up with the kids. Perhaps she was already up, working on her second job: sewing for her business.

We don't know he made the coffee. I believe she said 'he brought me coffee every morning'. Maybe she was working on her second job of sewing clothing for her business. Maybe she'd been up and made the coffee. Maybe he brought it to her. I don't recall her saying he brought coffee to her in bed.

We don't know this was a regular occurence, Nicholas stopping on his way home from work at the store. If he normally did it then he is in a large company of men who do stop for their wives and families at the store after work for last needed items.

Maybe making cookies with this father and his daughter was a special thing for the two of them. Something Nicholas liked doing. Not forced to do?

We have no verification from a poster on this site where Christine was alleged to have said her husband complained she was on the internet too often. That is hearsay. No link provided.

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Maybe making cookies with this father and his daughter was a special thing for the two of them. Something Nicholas liked doing. Not forced to do?
[/*]

Exactly. Or perhaps something special for Valentine's day.

Nellie

03-01-2008, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Beth
With all due respect, Kindralore, if it were me, I would depend on my family for any immediate financial needs. If it did get to the point where the children were going to suffer and I was going to lose our home, it may be different. Maybe I would think differently if somebody started a donation thread. But, that would be much later down the line and not 2 1/2 weeks after he left. I would up the reward, I would take out ads in newspapers in every major city saying "have you seen this man" or something. I would get my husbands face out there and raise awareness until every stone was uncovered. That is where I would be spending the money if i thought foul play had come to my husband and I wanted to get him home as quick as I could. [/*]

Beth, the fund raising was already going on 4 days after he was missing. Not 2-1/2 weeks. Way tooooo fast for letting everyone know she was in deperate need of money...unless it was for a ransom.

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by Beth
You have to pull it together, Kindralore. The children are counting on you to pull it together. If that means you have to keep working, you have to keep working. No it's not easy and I can say that firsthand, but it is possible and it can be done. [/*]

With all due respect Beth, I do sympathize with what you went through with your brother, but everyone handles things differently and no one on this board really knows WHAT Christine is doing or how she is handling anything.

She stopped posting (smartly) awhile back to any board.

Nellie

03-01-2008, 05:45 PM

RainyNiteNTx

03-01-2008, 05:49 PM

Musterion

03-01-2008, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Beth
You have to pull it together, Kindralore. The children are counting on you to pull it together. If that means you have to keep working, you have to keep working. No it's not easy and I can say that firsthand, but it is possible and it can be done. [/*]

The children. They have not seen their Dad in over three weeks. All they have known is their mother at home with them.

Christine going down to the local store to cashier for six or seven dollars an hour is going to do what for those children? Take away the only stability they have left? To be left with family and in laws all day?

The children should be everyone's first concern. They need their mother. They need her at home with them, more than ever.

Silver_Dove

03-01-2008, 05:51 PM

My heart goes out to Christine she has a hard road ahead of her no matter if he is dead or just left. If he is dead I hope he is found because she isn't going to get insurance or Social Security if there is no body because there is no evidence of foul play other then family and friends saying he wouldn't walk away and that isn't going to convince an insurance company or SS.

And maybe he was in charge of the kids before he went off to his second job. Maybe she was up early sewing and couldn't help with breakfast and the kids. Hopefully since her second job was so important to the household she will be able to continue to support them with it.

Sadly there are still more things I hear to think he walked then that he was killed. Killers in this city just haven't been this neat about their killings of late. More common to leave bodies around where they fall.

Nellie

03-01-2008, 05:52 PM

I have a son-in-law who treats my daughter very, very good and is a very good father to his 1 and 4 year old. So, I look at their little family and compare it to Christine and Nicholas.

I could see my sil taking coffee to my daugther occassionally...and getting the kids dressed and fed before heading off to work....ocassionally. But, as good as he is, I cannot see this being his normal routine at all and she is a working mother.

I see my sil baking cookies with his children as something special to do. Not sure if he'd do it after 6. They have a pretty tight routine and bedtime. He'd have to come home and do supper, which he might cook. He likes to cook. Then clean up the supper mess. I think it would be getting too late to bake cookies.

I can see my sil stopping at the store on the way home from work. Why shouldn't he? I don't think everything like that should fall on the wife. For her to go to the store would mean strapping 2 children into car seats, drive to the store, unstrap two children and take them into the store. Come back out and strap them in again...drive home...and unstrap them. Whew! It can wear you out! So, for him to swing by the store on the way home doesn't raise any red flags for me.

Raising of the money so fast was the biggest red flag for me.

Musterion

03-01-2008, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Beth

Yes, everybody does handle things differently and I am not special because i was able to work during my ordeal. I was merely going thru the motions at work and the minute my shift ended, my mother and I would hop in the car, shovels in hand and head for the hills (literally). We put together the most unorganized search party that our small set of resources could pool and meet up every day after work. On our 15th day of digging, I personally found my brother. Deservingly so, after that I did take 2 weeks off of work to rest and grieve. My point is, although we are all different, based on the people I have in my life since this ordeal, it is amazing the inner strength you have when put into these positions. It is there and you can do it. [/*]

Beth,

My heart cannot imagine the pain you went through and still may go through having lost your brother...and then finding him yourself. I am so sorry. So sorry. My brother means the world to me and losing him would impact me beyond words.

He was your brother. Nicholas is Christine's husband. She is carrying his child. She has two beautiful babies that look shockingly like him. She was/is almost financially dependent upon him not just for her needs but for the needs of their children.

The relationship of sister and brother do not have the same dynamics that a husband and wife have. IMO.

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Beth

Well, that 6 or 7 dollars and hour is going to help support her children and provide with certaintly, some stability and maybe take some of the pressure off of the financial difficulties she herself has alluded to. At what point does she decide she is going to have to take the bull by the horns and start providing for her family? Nobody knows that there will ever be a resolution to this, so at some point she is going to have to think about it. [/*]

Again Beth. Everyone is different. She closed down her online shops because she cant even do that. Her husband is gone. Her world is caving in. She is beside herself with worry.

It seems like you more than anyone here could relate to all that.

Nellie

03-01-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by Beth

Didn't somebody read that she shut down her online stores 2 days before he went missing? [/*]

That was my fault, so I want to correct that.
I believe I was reading about the wrong Christine.
So, no....she didn't.

decor

03-01-2008, 06:17 PM

Christine spent a LOT of time on the internet. Google her. she is signed up everywhere. she has two stores on Etsy, one store on Dewanda and an unfinished website. She belongs to a photography group and people said she spent a lot of time in the chat rooms on Etsy.

Besides all this she is raising two kids and sewing to make things to sell.

I understand now why she reads all these threads about her husband because I think the internet is her life.

I am not sure how she fit it all in.

I think almost everyone agrees that this has dramatically changed her life and not in a good way. That it is definitely something that was not expected and will probably cause some real hardships on her.

I doubt she will go to work before she has this baby as she seems really worried about losing it.

I don't think anyone here really believes that she came up with this elaborate scheme so she could sit back and live a life of luxury while strangers supported her. I think she fell into it. Her sister mentioned she needed money and it started rolling in. Now she probably doesn't want to see it stop so will let it go for as long as possible.

Christine is like everyone else with her own faults and her own lessons to learn. I think she was on the tracks and never saw the train coming and it struck her from behind. she may have been a part of something that wasn't good but nick dumped it on her or released her from it depending on which way one wants to look at it.

Hey! why do my emoticons change after I have already posted??

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 06:18 PM

Forgive me if this has been posted, but have you guys seen this (interview with Nick's mom):

Interview with Nick's Mom (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/where-is-nicholas-francisco/1835309019)

jagstar58

03-01-2008, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Really. Wow, you should watch

this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W8kpgDm1rs) video then. Tell me, are you going to judge this poor lady the same as well?

You people are a tough crowd for sure and I must admire you because obviously if anything like this happened to YOU, you would all have it together. [/*]

Hi KindraLore. This is so eerily similar to Christine's story. It looks like nothing has happened since February 21 on John's case. How tragic.

It must be devastating when they are your sole source of support and you have young children plus being pregnant.

God help these two women as they struggle through this and I pray these men come back home safe. What a horror story. I am speechless after that video. Thanks tho.

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by jagstar58

Hi KindraLore. This is so eerily similar to Christine's story. It looks like nothing has happened since February 21 on John's case. How tragic.

It must be devastating when they are your sole source of support and you have young children plus being pregnant.

God help these two women as they struggle through this and I pray these men come back home safe. What a horror story. I am speechless after that video. Thanks tho. [/*]

I agree. In both cases LE has said they "do not suspect foul play". I believe that is the standard answer when they just don't have any evidence to say otherwise.

jagstar58

03-01-2008, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by Beth

I hadn't seen it.. thank you. She seems like a lovely lady who loves her son. [/*]

Doesn't she though? I wonder how things are with her and Christine? She spoke to the selflessness her son has and I just wonder. Maybe he simply couldn't keep it up if finances were that bad. I don't know but I hope nothing bad happened to either of these two men.

jagstar58

03-01-2008, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

I agree. In both cases LE has said they "do not suspect foul play". I believe that is the standard answer when they just don't have any evidence to say otherwise. [/*]

My sentiments too and I am praying they are reunited with their families. Both men seem to love their families from listening to their wives.

wondering?

03-01-2008, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

If she is really so needy that she an adult woman can't think about taking care of herself and her kids maybe the neediness just finally got to him and he walked out. After all he was getting up first, getting the kids up, feeding them breakfast, making the coffee, serving her in bed, going to the store after work, making the cookies with the kids at night and this was a normal day. Plus she was laughing of his saying she spent to much time on the internet. Meaning she wasn't even making time for him or he wouldn't complain. She sounds like every guys dream wife.

Oh and lets not forget the first thing she is worried about is taking care of herself not using one red cent to try to get him back since other people can pay for that I guess. [/*]

Please go to the transcript of Christine talking to Greta and Nancy Grace and then re read your statement. No where did I see that he brings her coffee "in bed", said "he brings me coffee", could have been at the computer or anywhere. Also said he fixes breakfast, not he fixes breakfast for the kids.

I could be wrong but that is how I read it. Be a little kind here, her husband is missing.
If people want to contribute, let them!
Nothing wrong with that.

Musterion

03-01-2008, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
She closed down her on-line stores, her main source of income because she was so distraught she couldn't manage or cope with the work. Yet she can manage to make several TV appearances and post on various message boards sending multiple responses that she is being attacked and demand that it quit.

Oh .....come on !! [/*]

If she'd kept them open would she be painted as being cold? 'Christine is thinking only of herself, her business, she continues on in making her products and her husband is MISSING! See, we always knew, based on her posts on various internet sites that she is self-centered.'

And if she hadn't made the television appearances? 'Christine won't even appear on tv to get Nick's story out there! What kind of wife is she? She mustn't care. Something isn't right here.'

dianaelaine

03-01-2008, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Beth

Yes, everybody does handle things differently and I am not special because i was able to work during my ordeal. I was merely going thru the motions at work and the minute my shift ended, my mother and I would hop in the car, shovels in hand and head for the hills (literally). We put together the most unorganized search party that our small set of resources could pool and meet up every day after work. On our 15th day of digging, I personally found my brother. Deservingly so, after that I did take 2 weeks off of work to rest and grieve. My point is, although we are all different, based on the people I have in my life since this ordeal, it is amazing the inner strength you have when put into these positions. It is there and you can do it. [/*]

Now see Beth, that's exactly what I would be doing. I couldn't go home and sit or rest or be on the computer or ANYTHING .... I would have to be out and about ... doing whatever is possible to find him.

desmom

03-01-2008, 06:47 PM

Christine set off my hinky meter. I think she knows more than she has shared with the media and even maybe LE.

"He is not a coward" Coward? That is the last word I would use to describe someone that is missing and I know I would never use the word coward when referring to my husband. I live in the mid-west, maybe "coward" is a popular word in the NW.

In front of her 4 year old on one of the live interviews a couple of days after Nicholas had been reported missing, she said "If you can't find him, these kids won't have a daddy then."

Why would she make this kind of statement in front of her child? He had been gone a few days. Why would you scare the heck out of your child by saying in front of them "won't have a daddy".

She talks about their financial situation. IIRC, one time used the word "broke" and another pointed out Nicholas' car. Let's say Nicholas took his paycheck when he left, so the bills due out of that paycheck will not be paid.

I am not familiar with the way things are handled in the NW, so I can only speak of how they are handled locally. Utility companies do not shut you off for one late/delinquent bill. Mortgage companies do not evict because of one late/delinquent bill. Cars are not repossessed for one late/delinquent bill.

Did she contact these companies and explain the situation? Her story would be easy to verify. Where are their family and friends? Where are the churches? Where are the community organizations that step up to the plate for families? Why after only 2 days is she telling the nation about their financial situation?

She is a mother of two children in her mid-late 20s. She is not some naive 19 year old kid. She is not the first mother of two children that has had a husband disappear or walk out on her. Mothers do what they have to do to protect their children.

Mothers do not tell their 4 and 2 year old they are not going to have a Daddy.

jmo

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I don't think anyone would say she is cold and uncaring if she continued working at her on-line business. They would think that she has to continue working to support her family and to keep busy so that she wouldn't spend her time worrying about what might have happened. They would only admire her strength.

But instead she has spent her time manipulating people into sending her donations and feeling sorry for her situation.

This is why people are so nasty toward her....they just don't like her behavior. [/*]

I think the point Musterion was making was dam*ed if she does, dam*ed if she doesn't from the way this thread and other online posts have gone.

And yes, Nasty is a great word for a lot of what has been said. Again, we are back to the donations. What does that exactly prove IF she was actually manipulating people as you say? Does that mean she killed Nick? Is that what it boils down to?

Hmmm doesn't seem like too much hard evidence to me, but as I have said before, everyone sees things through their own filter.

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I don't believe she killed Nicholas or had anything to do with his disappearance. But I do think she knows much more about what did happen to him and isn't saying. Should she tell what she knows, no one would continue looking for him and she wants him back.....desperately. Her anger is overwhelming. [/*]

Ok, let's walk down that path. WHAT do you think she knows and WHY would she hide it? Makes no sense.

And LE is not Barney Fife these days. I believe if they thought she knew or had anything to do with Nick's disappearance, they would be all over it.

BUT, I would love to hear your thoughts on what Christine knows and is hiding.

Edited to say what anger that is overwhelming. Where are you seeing this?

desmom

03-01-2008, 07:00 PM

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by desmom

She is angry. That is why she used the word coward!

Thanks BethE!

jmo [/*]

LMAO! She said he WASNT a coward. She didn't say "that slime ball coward! How dare he!"

How is that angry? Maybe angry at all that are thinking he left when in her heart she knows he would not leave her, and that is WHY she said it.

decor

03-01-2008, 07:05 PM

christine posted last night. I think it is #94

http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/supporting-christine-with-word-prayer-and-action/#comments

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Beth

If he hasn't broken any laws and walked out on his own, LE would not be all over it, as he didn't do anything wrong. [/*]

We do not know everything that goes on behind the scenes of cases BUT you can bet she has been interviewed at length. If LE thought she had anything to do with her husband disappearing you can bet that yes, they would be all over it. Its called THEIR JOB.

Danette44

03-01-2008, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Beth,

My heart cannot imagine the pain you went through and still may go through having lost your brother...and then finding him yourself. I am so sorry. So sorry. My brother means the world to me and losing him would impact me beyond words.

He was your brother. Nicholas is Christine's husband. She is carrying his child. She has two beautiful babies that look shockingly like him. She was/is almost financially dependent upon him not just for her needs but for the needs of their children.

The relationship of sister and brother do not have the same dynamics that a husband and wife have. IMO. [/*]

The sad thing Musterion - is, she is allowing this to die down, she isn't in front of the news media - going to local tv stations, nothing what soever to bring him home. jmoo

AngS

03-01-2008, 07:06 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Do you think that C suspects this - therefore her puzzling statements of "he is not a coward" or "if you don't find him, these babies won't have a daddy", and her panic over her financial situation. [/*][/QUOTE

I like how she says "If YOU don't find him, these babies won't have a daddy." Yet she can't haul her butt out to look for him herself???????????? Must be a great wife.

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Beth

I don't think she had anything to do with her husband's disappearance. I think he had everything to do with his disappearance. "THEIR JOB" is not to drag an innocent man back home if he chooses to leave. [/*]

Well thankfully, LE hasn't just decided based on your or their opinion that he left of his own accord. He is missing. Therefore it is still THEIR JOB. lol

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

The sad thing Musterion - is, she is allowing this to die down, she isn't in front of the news media - going to local tv stations, nothing what soever to bring him home. jmoo [/*]

Wait, didnt one of you guys just get on her about actually DOING the TV interviews. I believe you just proved Musterion's point. lol

Sunday Moon

03-01-2008, 07:11 PM

I don't think we feel Christine did anything to Nicholas. I do think that many believe he walked out on his own and we are just trying to figure out WHY. I just think there are many things that don't add up and we are all trying to make sense of everything. I certainly HOPE he walked away on his own because the alternatives are devestating. And while it's not a crime to leave, we don't know if that's the case yet so this continues to be open to any and all theories and discussion.

:seeya:

desmom

03-01-2008, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

LMAO! She said he WASNT a coward. She didn't say "that slime ball coward! How dare he!"

How is that angry? Maybe angry at all that are thinking he left when in her heart she knows he would not leave her, and that is WHY she said it. [/*]

I don't think when she said "he is not a coward" she was trying to convince the public. IMO, she was trying to convince herself.

jmo

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
And while it's not a crime to leave, we don't know if that's the case yet so this continues to be open to any and all theories and discussion.

:seeya: [/*]

Exactly. I believe that is what I am doing as well.

Sunday Moon

03-01-2008, 07:13 PM

Also, wanted to mention that Christine's behaviors are certainly open to speculation. We all know if it were Christine that was missing Nicholas' behavior would scrutinized left and right!

RainyNiteNTx

03-01-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by AngS
[QUOTE]Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Do you think that C suspects this - therefore her puzzling statements of "he is not a coward" or "if you don't find him, these babies won't have a daddy", and her panic over her financial situation. [/*][/QUOTE

I like how she says "If YOU don't find him, these babies won't have a daddy." Yet she can't haul her butt out to look for him herself???????????? Must be a great wife. [/*]

What I do not understand (and this has been tossed around) is she says she is sure he met with foul play, but then implores LE to find him so her kids will have a daddy. If he met with foul play, they most likely will not have a daddy. This case is disturbing and puzzling.

Sunday Moon

03-01-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by desmom

I don't think when she said "he is not a coward" she was trying to convince the public. IMO, she was trying to convince herself.

jmo [/*]
I agree with that but I also feel she wanted him to hear her say that. I DO think she believes he left on his own.

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Beth

Most of "us guys" are just trying to put things out there based on the information we have. We are not all going to agree, however, in light of the fact that I believe N walked out, it doesn't mean that I'm not open to believing that foul play could be a factor either. I'm just leaning more toward him walking out.

As much as you believe it was foul play, why is it so hard for you to believe that maybe, he just walked out? [/*]

Whatever I believe, even if he walked out, walking out would certainly be HIS fault, not his wife's. Shame on anyone that would do that. I dont see fit to sit and judge Christine over either of those scenarios.

Musterion

03-01-2008, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

The sad thing Musterion - is, she is allowing this to die down, she isn't in front of the news media - going to local tv stations, nothing what soever to bring him home. jmoo [/*]

Is she letting it die down? Maybe she is contacting the media and they are not responding.

Silver_Dove

03-01-2008, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Well thankfully, LE hasn't just decided based on your or their opinion that he left of his own accord. He is missing. Therefore it is still THEIR JOB. lol [/*]

They have searched and there is no sign of foul play or evidence and no one is coming forward with any more information.

Interesting I just noticed no one has even set up a tip line number :confused: just to call 911. Maybe not enough donations?

So my guess is LE are doing nothing at all right now till they get something to work from.

Sunday Moon

03-01-2008, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Is she letting it die down? Maybe she is contacting the media and they are not responding. [/*]

I posted that question before. Who's not contacting whom?

RainyNiteNTx

03-01-2008, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Whatever I believe, even if he walked out, walking out would certainly be HIS fault, not his wife's. Shame on anyone that would do that. I dont see fit to sit and judge Christine over either of those scenarios. [/*]

You can bet your bottom dollar if Christine was the one missing, Nicholas would be under the microscope. It happens in every case so I doubt she would be an exception.

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Believing that he walked out in no way represents judging Christine. However, if she knew he walked out and continued with this facade, would you feel differently? [/*]

Well since to me that is pretty far fetched, its hard to say.

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Beth

And I respect that because you believe that. But, that's not what a lot of people believe. [/*]

So you believe that under LE's nose, along with his family, etc.. that together they have hatched a plan to extort money from nice, giving unsuspecting people. That's really what you believe?

That she knows where he is but instead they are going to dupe the whole world and live off a few thousand dollars people are generously giving to help find him?

Wow, then I guess they would both really be very cold people.

Danette44

03-01-2008, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Wait, didnt one of you guys just get on her about actually DOING the TV interviews. I believe you just proved Musterion's point. lol [/*]

I think some were complaining how she acted on TV, I personally think she needs to be on there pleaing with the public to help in searching for him........her not speaking out isn't helping to bring her children's father home. jmo

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

I think some were complaining how she acted on TV, I personally think she needs to be on there pleaing with the public to help in searching for him........her not speaking out isn't helping to bring her children's father home. jmo [/*]

I think she did that. Video (http://www.foxnews.com/video2/launchPage.html?022108/022108_greta_wife2&Missing%20Father&On_the_Record&Wife%20pleads%20for%20help%20with%20search&US&-1&Missing%20Father&Video%20Launch%20Page&News&http%3A//media2.foxnews.com/thumbnails/i/022108/022108_greta_wife2_320x240.jpg)

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Beth

No, i don't think that at all. I think he left, period. I think she is furious and knows he left and she wants him to be found. I think the money thing just happened and took on a life of its own. [/*]

Well if your theory is correct and he ran out on her and her kids and his whole family, I would be furious too! And when he was found, we would be heading to divorce court. He wouldn't have to worry about being around again. He could be free. That's if that was the case of course.

Sunday Moon

03-01-2008, 07:30 PM

Ok, I have to get ready to go out to dinner! Personally, I would rather stay home since it's 20 degrees here in Northeastern PA but I guess it's nice not to have to cook! :seeya:

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

Where is your compassion for Nicholas? Everything is suddenly about poor Christine....:rolleyes:

She claims he's a great husband and father. If he left, something drove him to it. [/*]

LMAO! My compasion doesn't involve bashing his wife. I am glad that you think it does though. ;)

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:36 PM

AND nobody drives you to run away from your responsibilites as a father and parent. I personally dont think he did. I have a lot of compasion for him and his wife and kids and family.

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

I'm not "bashing" anyone...only pointing out my suspicions. I clearly said earlier that I do not know these individuals personally and don't wish Christine any ill will. But its obvious to a large majority that something about her is not right. Maybe its just a personality quirk...

Why are you so defensive? Its the same defensive I've seen when anyone even dares to ask Christine some more pointed questions about Nicholas....

My opinions are totally harmless:D [/*]

I am not defensive. You asked me where my compassion is. I personally thought it an odd statement since I am an advocate of missing people.

Just because I am taking up for a missing man's wife that I personally do not think has done anything wrong, does not make me NOT have compassion for Nick himself. Quite the contrary.

isitme

03-01-2008, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
RE: Employer hiring a PI to look for Nicholas.

I have never heard of any company hiring a Private Investigator to look for a missing employee unless there is a very compelling reason to do so. Given how many companies are having to lay off employees and cut expenses, this is significant.

Any business has to justify the need to incur any expense and the reason must be valid. Simply put, I am sure they love and miss Nicholas but would leave it up to LE to find out what happened to him.....unless, they REALLY needed to find him.

I think this is a highly significant clue as to why LE is not actively looking for Nicholas. [/*]

Thank goodness somebody else sees that. I raised that point back a few days ago. It just seems interesting that a PI was hired, by the employer, almost as soon as the pleas for money began.

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Kind of reminds me of what i was reading at that etsy board. Any deviation from the foul play theory equated to Christine bashing. There is a bit of passive/aggressiveness in some of these posts. [/*]

Oh come on Beth. You are doing the exact to ME. lol

I have a different perspective and yes, there has been bashing of Christine. Come on. You know that. I could go on and on about the snarky things said but I will leave it at that.

AngS

03-01-2008, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

I think the point Musterion was making was dam*ed if she does, dam*ed if she doesn't from the way this thread and other online posts have gone.

And yes, Nasty is a great word for a lot of what has been said. Again, we are back to the donations. What does that exactly prove IF she was actually manipulating people as you say? Does that mean she killed Nick? Is that what it boils down to?

Hmmm doesn't seem like too much hard evidence to me, but as I have said before, everyone sees things through their own filter. [/*]

Are you just here to argue with everyone? We are free to express ANY thoughts we may have in this case, and if you don't like it you don't have to stay!

KindraLore

03-01-2008, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by AngS

Are you just here to argue with everyone? We are free to express ANY thoughts we may have in this case, and if you don't like it you don't have to stay! [/*]

Hmmm I think I was expressing my thoughts as well there Ang but thanks for giving me permission to leave.

You are right however. I have personally nothing left to ad, so I am gone.. for now. lol

AngS

03-01-2008, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Hmmm I think I was expressing my thoughts as well there Ang but thanks for giving me permission to leave.

You are right however. I have personally nothing left to ad, so I am gone.. for now. lol [/*]

You're welcome!!!

ThruTheTrees

03-01-2008, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by Beth

Well, that 6 or 7 dollars an hour is going to help support her children and provide with certaintly, some stability and maybe take some of the pressure off of the financial difficulties she herself has alluded to. At what point does she decide she is going to have to take the bull by the horns and start providing for her family? Nobody knows that there will ever be a resolution to this, so at some point she is going to have to think about it. [/*]

I think that Christine has options to earn money other than working at a minimum wage job (though Washington state does have the highest minimum wage in the country -- $8.07/hour now).

She is a talented photographer and designer herself, obviously has some business knowledge, has had some of her products placed in local stores, and could most likely find options to work at home as many women do with cottage industries, many quite lucratively. While she may not be emotionally stable enough right now to focus a lot of time on her sewing business, the new business she started last month of bath and body products is something that probably does not require a lot of labor if she has all the supplies etc on hand.

Personally I think after 2-1/2 weeks, her Etsy & crafty friends in particular could be encouraging her to get back to doing her business at least at some level. If nothing else, it would help her feel like she is accomplishing something instead of just waiting and dwelling on the situation. It could be a very healing experience for her. I had a former neighbor whose husband was dying of a brain tumor at a young age, and she and her teenage daughter started making candles as a therapeutic activity. They eventually started to sell them as grief candles. (This was about 8 years ago at least, but I just checked and she still has the business: http://www.lifelights.com/) Honestly I would be more inclined to buy some of her products than I would to just send her money.

AngS

03-01-2008, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
12 weeks is 3 months that's within reason. 6 to 8 weeks not within reason [/*]

I so agree...wink, wink. Like I said, DRAMA. QUEEN. To the Nth degree.

Anyhoo...maybe this has been answered already, but does anyone know why Nicholas would have said "I love you, Bella"?
Why would he call her Bella?

Also, I can't believe she insists he would NEVER have left her. As if she finds the mere thought of it, completely out of the realm of possibility. We have been married almost 15 years, have a great (certainly not perfect!) and very happy life together. We have a wonderful family! But if my hsband did not come home one day, I would NOT be able to INSIST that he DID NOT leave me on purpose. I am just NOT that naive! It doesn't mean we aren't great together, it just means I am a realist. It's as if everything in Christines world is rainbows, hearts and butterflies! It's creepy.

ThruTheTrees

03-01-2008, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Beth

No, but from where I am, I wouldn't hear. How many men are missing in the Seattle area anyway? I would like to know who this man they found is. [/*]

Here is the info on the man who was found yesterday:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/15454016/detail.html

Officials Identify Body Found In Lake Washington

POSTED: 2:55 pm PST February 29, 2008
UPDATED: 3:46 pm PST March 1, 2008

BELLEVUE, Wash. -- The King County Medical Examiner’s office says the body of a man found in Lake Washington on Friday is that of 40-year-old Clayton Davis.

Officials believe Davis is to have died on December 27, 2007 from accidental drowning.

A 12-year-old girl who lives in the area spotted the body Friday floating off a dock near lakefront homes.

Davis was found wearing rain gear and did not appear to have any signs of trauma. Police used fingerprint records and looked through missing person cases to identify him.

ThruTheTrees

03-01-2008, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by Envision
I haven't seen anything new on the Publicis website regarding Nicholas since Feb 22 and it's basically just repeating what they've read in the news. [/*]

This website is also maintained by Publicis employees, and has not been updated since last Tues when the discussion on tracing his computer was brought up.

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com

greeneyez78

03-01-2008, 08:29 PM

Please go to the transcript of Christine talking to Greta and Nancy Grace and then re read your statement. No where did I see that he brings her coffee "in bed", said "he brings me coffee", could have been at the computer or anywhere. Also said he fixes breakfast, not he fixes breakfast for the kids.

I could be wrong but that is how I read it. Be a little kind here, her husband is missing.
If people want to contribute, let them!
Nothing wrong with that.

__________________
alwaysquestioning

I did go to the transcript and here it is....

FRANCISCO: Nope. Perfectly normal. He got up with the kids like he always does, makes them breakfast and spends time with them before he has to go to work. He came in, he brings me coffee every morning. He`s so sweet and -- he kissed me good-bye. And he left for work. I talked to him through the day and he sounded fine. And then I talked to him for the last time at 6:00.

ThruTheTrees

03-01-2008, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Thank you, ThrutheTrees. Boy, that's a long time to have been in that lake. I'm glad for his family that they finally have him. [/*]

Interesting that the initial news reports were saying they thought the guy had only been in the water 24-48 hours. To be in there for 2+ months is quite a different story...

greeneyez78

03-01-2008, 08:34 PM

AngS

03-01-2008, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Here is the info on the man who was found yesterday:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/15454016/detail.html

Officials Identify Body Found In Lake Washington

POSTED: 2:55 pm PST February 29, 2008
UPDATED: 3:46 pm PST March 1, 2008

BELLEVUE, Wash. -- The King County Medical Examiner’s office says the body of a man found in Lake Washington on Friday is that of 40-year-old Clayton Davis.

Officials believe Davis is to have died on December 27, 2007 from accidental drowning.

A 12-year-old girl who lives in the area spotted the body Friday floating off a dock near lakefront homes.

Davis was found wearing rain gear and did not appear to have any signs of trauma. Police used fingerprint records and looked through missing person cases to identify him. [/*]

WHAT?????? Police said the victim appeard to have been in the water for 24-48 hours! If a body is in the water for 2 MONTHS(!) it is OBVIOUS that they've been there a he** of a L-O-N-G time! What kind of police force is this? RIDICULOUS!

ThruTheTrees

03-01-2008, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by AngS

WHAT?????? Police said the victim appeard to have been in the water for 24-48 hours! If a body is in the water for 2 MONTHS(!) it is OBVIOUS that they've been there a he** of a L-O-N-G time! What kind of police force is this? RIDICULOUS! [/*]

Well I can go along with the idea that the water temperature could have slowed the decay of the body (Lake Washington is cold ALL the time but especially in winter). Still, I had the same sense about LE's initial statement in light of today's findings -- "What the???"!

huskiki

03-01-2008, 08:40 PM

Hi guys :seeya:

I've been gone for 24 hours and I have a lot of catching up to do. I'm going to assume that there's been no new news on Nicholas. Am I right?

Musterion

03-01-2008, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by AngS

Anyhoo...maybe this has been answered already, but does anyone know why Nicholas would have said "I love you, Bella"?
Why would he call her Bella?
[/*]

I believe Bella is Nicholas' name for her. Bella is Italian for Beautiful.

Her product names more than likely come from that endearment: Bella Style Boutique. Bella Style. And Bella Spice.

desmom

03-01-2008, 08:49 PM

ThruTheTrees

03-01-2008, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
Hi guys :seeya:

I've been gone for 24 hours and I have a lot of catching up to do. I'm going to assume that there's been no new news on Nicholas. Am I right? [/*]

Nope, nothing new on Nicholas.

The body found in Lake Washington yesterday and has been identified -- not Nicholas, but a 40-year-old man who presumably drowned 2 months ago (not the 24-48 hours originally suggested by LE).

Beth Engleman brought up a good point about why would his employer be paying for a PI, unless perhaps they are trying to find him for some work-related reason, such as some kind of wrongdoing/theft of information, maybe? I hadn't thought of the "why" they hired a PI other than just that he was a loyal and much-loved employee. Would be interesting to research how many companies hire PI's when an employee goes missing.

Track292003

03-01-2008, 08:56 PM

Did Mr. Fale -- the other young man missing in Seattle -- have a car?

Is the car missing?

If so, can someone describe it?

TIA.

huskiki

03-01-2008, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Nope, nothing new on Nicholas.

The body found in Lake Washington yesterday and has been identified -- not Nicholas, but a 40-year-old man who presumably drowned 2 months ago (not the 24-48 hours originally suggested by LE).

Beth Engleman brought up a good point about why would his employer be paying for a PI, unless perhaps they are trying to find him for some work-related reason, such as some kind of wrongdoing/theft of information, maybe? I hadn't thought of the "why" they hired a PI other than just that he was a loyal and much-loved employee. Would be interesting to research how many companies hire PI's when an employee goes missing. [/*]

If the laptop that Nicholas has belongs to the company I'm sure there's information on it that they would want back. Another theroy, which was mentioned here a while ago, is that maybe he embezzled money from the company. That would be a pretty good reason to hire a PI. I'm going with option A, he has a company laptop that has a lot of confidential information on it.

ThruTheTrees

03-01-2008, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by Track292003
Did Mr. Fale -- the other young man missing in Seattle -- have a car?

Is the car missing?

If so, can someone describe it?

TIA. [/*]

There have been no details on him other than the missing person's report that was filed. Several people on this board contacted his wife via MySpace and she responded politely that his disappearance was basically a private family matter.

huskiki

03-01-2008, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Track292003
Did Mr. Fale -- the other young man missing in Seattle -- have a car?

Is the car missing?

If so, can someone describe it?

TIA. [/*]

I don't think we're going to find out any information on Fale. His wife has said his disappearance is being kept private.

I hope he returns safe too!

desmom

03-01-2008, 09:02 PM

Publicis Info: http://www.publicis.com/index.cfm?action=dsp_network

8,900 employees, 251 offices in 82 countries.

ThruTheTrees

03-01-2008, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

If the laptop that Nicholas has belongs to the company I'm sure there's information on it that they would want back. Another theroy, which was mentioned here a while ago, is that maybe he embezzled money from the company. That would be a pretty good reason to hire a PI. I'm going with option A, he has a company laptop that has a lot of confidential information on it. [/*]

True, they may just be looking for him because he has confidential business info on his laptop. Christine herself mentioned that he worked on accounts of some of their top clients, including T-Mobile. In fact, there may not be much on the computer at all, but a major company like Publicis with a client like T-Mobile might even hire a P-I simply as a "face-saving" measure to reassure the client that they are "doing all they can".

AngS

03-01-2008, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

There have been no details on him other than the missing person's report that was filed. Several people on this board contacted his wife via MySpace and she responded politely that his disappearance was basically a private family matter. [/*]

I really don't see why this guy keeps getting brought up. I don't think the one thing has anything to do with the other. I guess if she says it's a private matter, and on her myspace she says her mood is "hungry", as opposed to "worried", she's probably not all that concerned about him. She must know that he is alive, probably with another woman, or they just needed time apart. Who reported him missing in the first place? Are the police still actively pursuing this as a missing persons case, or have they backed off? The wife working at Cosco is just such a stretch to connect the two.

huskiki

03-01-2008, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by Beth

I'm not sure that information on a computer, or even just the computer itself, would warrant hiring an investigator. [/*]

If it means client confidentiality it would. Security is of high importance to companies.

huskiki

03-01-2008, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by AngS

I really don't see why this guy keeps getting brought up. I don't think the one thing has anything to do with the other. I guess if she says it's a private matter, and on her myspace she says her mood is "hungry", as opposed to "worried", she's probably not all that concerned about him. She must know that he is alive, probably with another woman, or they just needed time apart. Who reported him missing in the first place? Are the police still actively pursuing this as a missing persons case, or have they backed off? The wife working at Cosco is just such a stretch to connect the two. [/*]

I can only assume that she believes that he left on his own. I can't answer any of the other questions because I don't know. :shrug:

ThruTheTrees

03-01-2008, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Envision

There's a lot of copyrighted intellectual property on that computer. I can understand them wanting it back as the information is worth a small fortune however I can't fathom someone using that information outright for profit and assume they would not be caught. [/*]

I'm having trouble picturing (I was going to say "envisioning" but I didn't want to come across as unintentionally punny!) what kind of information in an advertising scenario could be THAT valuable? Unless he was working on some kind of top secret financial presentation, but if it was just straight advertising, how valuable could it be? Other than paying someone to re-create work that was in process, most likely there would be back-up copies of everything. And divulging or re-selling the info, he'd most likely get caught as you said.

huskiki

03-01-2008, 09:11 PM

Originally posted by Beth

OMG! They're huge. [/*]

I work for a larger company and they don't take it lightly when a laptop gets lost or stolen. It's a trust thing between the company and the client. Or they could just care that much about Nicholas that they thought that they would help find him.

huskiki

03-01-2008, 09:12 PM

desmom

03-01-2008, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I'm having trouble picturing (I was going to say "envisioning" but I didn't want to come across as unintentionally punny!) what kind of information in an advertising scenario could be THAT valuable? Unless he was working on some kind of top secret financial presentation, but if it was just straight advertising, how valuable could it be? Other than paying someone to re-create work that was in process, most likely there would be back-up copies of everything. And divulging or re-selling the info, he'd most likely get caught as you said. [/*]

Companies are very protective of their products/services. If he was working on a new design plan for one of their major clients, it could be devastating if the laptop was to fall into the hands of one of their competitors.

ThruTheTrees

03-01-2008, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by Beth

Yeah, I could see that. I guess i was just thinking more of the money/crime angle. So why wouldn't he turn in the computer or leave it there if he knew he wasn't coming back? [/*]

I would think he'd keep it because if he used it to do his own work, email, etc. on, he would want to have it with him all the time.

And, if he did leave it because he knew he wasn't coming back, there would be less likelihood that people would be wondering if he ran into foul play. "oh, he left his computer here and he never does that. Maybe he took off and he's not coming back to work."

ThruTheTrees

03-01-2008, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by Envision

I can't imagine hiring a PI for that either but then again we're talking hours of work and thousands, possibly millions of dollars here. Who knows? [/*]

We also don't know how hard the PI is working on this. Did they hire someone full-time to work on it til Nicholas is found, or did they hire someone on a small contract just to say they hired someone and reassure their clients? Could just be a routine action when a company laptop is missing. Hard to know. I'm sure the PI won't be coming on here to say. :)

huskiki

03-01-2008, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by Beth
And had he left the computer, there wouldn't be any crime. As it stands, wouldn't a computer just be a petty theft charge? Especially a laptop. I don't think you can charge him with felony theft only because the information on the computer was worth a million dollars. Does that make sense? [/*]

You make sense. I don't think it's about pressing charges as much as it is about getting the information back. All speculation of course :D

huskiki

03-01-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Okay, but how would the client know the laptop was missing? I doubt the company would alert each client and let them know a laptop had gone missing. I would think that would be kept hush hush. [/*]

I'm sure all of their clients know it could be missing since Nicholas was reported missing. His name has been out in the media as well as where he works. If someone could just give us answers, like what laptop he has then it might become more clear.

I don't think we'll be hearing much more out of Christine, so unless they have a solid lead in the case we may never know. So frustrating. hammer

AngS

03-01-2008, 09:37 PM

The money thing stinks to high heaven. I just find it so undignified to take from strangers, (albeit well-meaning strangers). At the VERY least, where the he** are their parents??? Why can't they take them in and take care of them? I KNOW MY family would, and so would my in-laws, I wouldn't even have to ask!!! Are they all just incredibly selfish? How can they stand by and watch money pour in from around the world and not do all they can themselves? Even so, Christine should consider all the people in this world who have NO CHOICE but to pull it together and do whatever it takes to make it for their families. Those kids DO need their mom, but they also need food, clothing, and a home. God gave those children to HER, and taking care of all their needs is HER responsibility now. Regardless of the reason for Nicholas being gone, God expects her to step up and be both parents now. Any one of us could become a widow, it happens to hundreds of people every day.

"But if any provide not for his own, and specially those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." I Timothy 5:8

Silver_Dove

03-01-2008, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by AngS

WHAT?????? Police said the victim appeard to have been in the water for 24-48 hours! If a body is in the water for 2 MONTHS(!) it is OBVIOUS that they've been there a he** of a L-O-N-G time! What kind of police force is this? RIDICULOUS! [/*]

If I remember right they said they could only see his face because of the rain gear. I'm guessing they are talking about the fisherman's kind which are like rubber pants, boots and a full coat.

Bodies in the very cold water we have here would keep the body and also the clothes would cover everything.

desmom

03-01-2008, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Okay, but how would the client know the laptop was missing? I doubt the company would alert each client and let them know a laptop had gone missing. I would think that would be kept hush hush. [/*]

What if his laptop has a big ad layout Publicis is getting ready to present to a huge corporation. What would happen if Publicis presentation was to fall into the hands of their biggest competitor we will call company ABC?

RainyNiteNTx

03-01-2008, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by Envision
It's not just advertising in the presentations but company secrets as well, I guess. If ABC got a hold of T-Mobile's ad campaign before the public saw it, ABC could jump the gun on the program or package T-Mobile was about to offer. [/*]

Since every other possible scenario has been put on the table, why don't we think of something in an opposite direction. What if Nicholas knew something about the company and keeping in line with his ethical makeup was going to be a whistle blower. Here is a link I found today and it may be common practice - I don't know. Scroll down about halfway down to the FRAUD article.

http://www.mediabistro.com/agencyspy/publicis/default.asp

RainyNiteNTx

03-01-2008, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by Beth
Well, we're certainly not at a loss as far as conspiracy theories go. I hope they keep updating their website about him. [/*]

I'm just wanting him to be a good guy I guess :)

RainyNiteNTx

03-01-2008, 10:17 PM

What county is Seattle in?

Musterion

03-01-2008, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by AngS
[
"But if any provide not for his own, and specially those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." I Timothy 5:8 [/*]

Context of that scripture is for the church to take care of widows. And admonishing families who have a widow to take care of her so that the church can take care of widows who have no family. Later in the passage it tells the younger widows to remarry.

It is a specific instruction for a specific situation.

It may be more helpful to quote a scripture that is general for all:

"Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear."

Just a thought.

Musterion

03-01-2008, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
What county is Seattle in? [/*]

Seattle is in King County.

RainyNiteNTx

03-01-2008, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Seattle is in King County. [/*]

Thanks Musterion - its amazing what I CAN find and then can't find something that simple :)

dianaelaine

03-01-2008, 10:29 PM

Sorry guys ... my pm box was full, it's empty now .. if you wanted to pm me.

:biggrin:

field of snow

03-01-2008, 10:31 PM

Musterion --

What are your thoughts regarding someone who is at most 6-7 weeks pregnant with her fourth pregnancy experience posting that she felt the baby move?

(edited to correct third to fourth)

Thanks

RainyNiteNTx

03-01-2008, 10:35 PM

I found only two people missing on the Sheriff's page and both are old cases and foul play is suspected. Neither Nicholas or Fale are listed. Surely there are more than this.

http://www.metrokc.gov/sheriff/news/seeking_information/missing_persons/

Musterion

03-01-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by snowfield
Musterion --

What are your thoughts regarding someone who is at most 6-7 weeks pregnant with her fourth pregnancy experience posting that she felt the baby move?

(edited to correct third to fourth)

Thanks [/*]

I would need to see, in context, what was said.

RainyNiteNTx

03-01-2008, 10:48 PM

Here is the link...

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472950&page=76

rinnovibodyspa says:
thank you all for all of your prayers and support. as of yet i have heard no news on the car so i assume that the lead was another dead end. Please keep praying. please do not loose hope.

I felt our baby move last night. I was so excited I tried to call Nicholas to tell him but then i remembered......

Sunday Moon

03-01-2008, 10:56 PM

Back from dinner and drinks! Toooooooo cold to even entertain the thought of staying out longer. I was fantasizing about my jammies and ragwool socks!!

Anyway...I am caught up here and I guess nothing new, eh? I'm going to email Greta and ask her what she thinks and if this will be on her show again. I am VERY curious if she has tried to get it on the show and Christine refused or is Christine has tried and Greta refused. Or if neither parties followed up.

I still wish we knew who reported Viliamu missing. If the wife says it's private she mustn't have reported him missing but SOMEONE did. Weird. Usually it's the person closest that reports the missing but in this case, the wife didn't (presumably). Who would have done it?

I don't expect a reply from Greta til Monday at least, wouldn't you think?

RainyNiteNTx

03-01-2008, 10:59 PM

There is just nothing anywhere. Even his friends' blog has not been updated and the calendar's last activity was February 27th. I think that is sad. :(

Musterion

03-01-2008, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Here is the link...

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5472950&page=76

rinnovibodyspa says:
thank you all for all of your prayers and support. as of yet i have heard no news on the car so i assume that the lead was another dead end. Please keep praying. please do not loose hope.

I felt our baby move last night. I was so excited I tried to call Nicholas to tell him but then i remembered...... [/*]

I would say two things.

One: She may be farther along in her pregnancy than she thought.

Two: If she is only eight weeks or less pregnant then, based on the fact that this was written mid afternoon only a few days after Nicholas went missing and taking into account that she probably has had little sleep and extreme stress.....I would pass it off as hopeful thinking.

She presumably had a miscarriage last June. Maybe it gives her comfort to think she feels this life, the possible last link to her husband, is alive and well.

RainyNiteNTx

03-01-2008, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

I would say two things.

One: She may be farther along in her pregnancy than she thought.

Two: If she is only eight weeks or less pregnant then, based on the fact that this was written mid afternoon only a few days after Nicholas went missing and taking into account that she probably has had little sleep and extreme stress.....I would pass it off as hopeful thinking.

She presumably had a miscarriage last June. Maybe it gives her comfort to think she feels this life, the possible last link to her husband, is alive and well. [/*]

You are a nice person Musterion - always trying to find the positive.

Curiouser

03-01-2008, 11:23 PM

I found these two items on some sort of law blog about Publicis. I had googled NF and this was one of the items found as there was a "missing person" item on the site as well. I can't read the rest of the article as you have to be a member of the law blog to get the rest. Anyway, its sort of interesting although probably not any connection with NF's disappearance.

Donovan Loses Its First Major Media Agency
Original Signal - 02/18/2008

NEW YORK (AdAge.com) -- For 40 years, Donovan Data Systems has held a near monopoly on the business of media billing and tracking. But now, in the first defection of a major player, Publicis' Starcom MediaVest Group has moved its spending power to MediaBank, a Chicago-based software company that acquired Donovan competitor DataTech last year.

Ad Titans Battle Over Software
Law blog - 02/16/2008 Explore : Business, Publicis

Publicis's Starcom unit was accused of stealing trade secrets by Donovan Data Systems, a company that provides the software used by most media-buying firms.

Curiouser

03-01-2008, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
Ad Titans Battle Over Software
Law blog - 02/16/2008 Explore : Business, Publicis

Publicis's Starcom unit was accused of stealing trade secrets by Donovan Data Systems, a company that provides the software used by most media-buying firms.

wow, do you think N had anything to do with this

he went missing th 13th, this was reported on the 16th [/*]

I was wondering where the Starcom unit is located. Is it in Seattle, does anyone know??

Curiouser

03-01-2008, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
what if....
N had something to do with the deal with Donavan data, and knew he was about to be found out, told C that he may be caught and going to prison, and she told him to run, and she would catch up with him later and start a new life somewhere else.... [/*]

Hmmmm....

You know his best friend's last name is Donovan! Don't suppose there's any connection with this business though??? Surely not as I'm sure Donavan Data is a huge business. Also is the name spelled different? Don't know for sure.

Curiouser

03-01-2008, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
what if....
N had something to do with the deal with Donavan data, and knew he was about to be found out, told C that he may be caught and going to prison, and she told him to run, and she would catch up with him later and start a new life somewhere else.... [/*]

OR maybe Publicis authorized the theft and Nicholas was just doing his job. So Publicis sent him off somewhere to save him. Maybe give him a new identity. I think I probably watch too much TV. LOL

dianaelaine

03-01-2008, 11:56 PM

I received a convo from an Etsy member, that said the wife of the other missing man in Seattle, has stopped the search and wants to keep it silent.

Not sure why ... but that's what they're dong.

At first I thought she was talking about Christine stopping the search, but seems it wasn't ... it was the other man's wife.

dianaelaine

03-01-2008, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by Curiouser

OR maybe Publicis authorized the theft and Nicholas was just doing his job. So Publicis sent him off somewhere to save him. Maybe give him a new identity. I think I probably watch too much TV. LOL [/*]

I think you do too! :lol:

Curiouser

03-02-2008, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

I think you do too! :lol: [/*]

So guess I'll go to bed. Its 11 p.m. here, so its time I guess. Good night all.

HarlettOhara

03-02-2008, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by Sunday Moon

I posted that question before. Who's not contacting whom? [/*]

One thing about the media and missing persons.. you have cases that get attention put on them day after day and continues on for months.. then you have others that get one little blurb and that's it. I can't tell you how many missing cases we have written letters about, made calls and whatever else we could think of to get them some media attention. It's not as easy as you would think... The ones that the media pick up on are the ones that will help ratings... and they are mainly young, white females.. It took us nearly 3 months to get any attention for Naomi Arnette after she went missing... and that was just local media.

HarlettOhara

03-02-2008, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
RE: Employer hiring a PI to look for Nicholas.

I have never heard of any company hiring a Private Investigator to look for a missing employee unless there is a very compelling reason to do so. Given how many companies are having to lay off employees and cut expenses, this is significant.

Any business has to justify the need to incur any expense and the reason must be valid. Simply put, I am sure they love and miss Nicholas but would leave it up to LE to find out what happened to him.....unless, they REALLY needed to find him.

I think this is a highly significant clue as to why LE is not actively looking for Nicholas. [/*]

Over the years the company I worked for as a PI was hired by quite a few business' to help look for an employee that was missing. If they are a valued employee and well liked, it's not an unusual thing.

HarlettOhara

03-02-2008, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Re: Missing Viliamu Fale

If you recall, Viliamu is also missing. His wife works at the Costco in Sea Tac where Nicholas was to stop to pick up sugar before going home.

I feel this is a significant clue since Viliamu might have just dropped off or was at Costco to visit his wife when Nicholas arrived. We have no proof that Nicholas ever went inside the store but could have come across Viliamu in the parking lot.

Most businesses like Costco have video cameras in the parking lot. This is very important in the search to what happened the night of Feb 13th and why he didn't make it home.

Did they both leave the Costco lot driving in their own vehicles to later meet and drop off the car Nicholas was driving at the Condo parking lot.

Did they then just ...... disappear? [/*]

Nicholas disappeared on the 13th.. Vili didn't disappear until the night of the 14th.

HarlettOhara

03-02-2008, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Harlett, what do you think about this latest discovery involving Nic's company and the theft of another company's "secrets?" [/*]

I haven't read much about it yet, but it would all depend on what location of Publicis it was done from.. if it was a Chicago office, more than likely another division somewhere else didn't know about it until it was brought out in the public.

HarlettOhara

03-02-2008, 01:24 AM

I can't really comment on something I haven't seen. I have only read here about the plea for money. What I would like to know is has she asked for money, and if so how many times..1,2 etc... or is the plea for money coming from friends.. which if it's from friends, they may think that's their way of helping her out.

As for her behavior, I only saw the one time she was on Greta.. she looked upset to me and ready to cry at any given time. You see all different types of reactions.. some never shed a tear, unless they are in private.. and others totally break down and can't stop crying and then you get everything else in between those two. Everyone reacts differently to a situation. Some are emotionally able to handle it and some aren't.

Breazy

03-02-2008, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Really. Wow, you should watch

this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W8kpgDm1rs) video then. Tell me, are you going to judge this poor lady the same as well?

You people are a tough crowd for sure and I must admire you because obviously if anything like this happened to YOU, you would all have it together. [/*]

I'm sorry but the video you posted showed a woman much more devastated and sincere than Christine has ever been shown. You could see her "real" tears whereas when Christine cried, there were NO tears. Another thing . . . she was begging for him to come home which Christine NEVER has done. And she did not state in front of her kids that if her husband didn't come home, her children would not have a daddy. She just stated we want daddy home and the children agreed. Totally different . . .

need2no

03-02-2008, 02:08 AM

Website for Vilamu's employer:

Our service area includes the I-5 corridor from the Canadian border to Olympia, Washington and the Olympic Peninsula to the west. >Canadian border<

Kinda interesting that Stephanie, Viliamu's wife, has this song on her MS page: Like You'll Never See Me Again by Alicia Keyes

Stephanie works at Costco.
I believe Harlett posted Stephanie attended art design school in the past, and IIRC she is an auditor.

Both men disappeared within a day of each other.

I'm not saying they are connected, but there sure are some strange connections/coincidences here.

HarlettOhara

03-02-2008, 02:40 AM

Originally posted by need2no
Website for Vilamu's employer:

Our service area includes the I-5 corridor from the Canadian border to Olympia, Washington and the Olympic Peninsula to the west. >Canadian border<

Kinda interesting that Stephanie, Viliamu's wife, has this song on her MS page: Like You'll Never See Me Again by Alicia Keyes

Stephanie works at Costco.
I believe Harlett posted Stephanie attended art design school in the past, and IIRC she is an auditor.

Both men disappeared within a day of each other.

I'm not saying they are connected, but there sure are some strange connections/coincidences here. [/*]

It was Christine that attended Design school..

Breazy

03-02-2008, 02:48 AM

Originally posted by desmom

I don't think when she said "he is not a coward" she was trying to convince the public. IMO, she was trying to convince herself.

jmo [/*]

That was exactly my thought also. Also her insistence that he WOULD NOT leave on his own . . . like she was trying to convince herself of that.

Kamiron

03-02-2008, 03:07 AM

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by KindraLore

Really. Wow, you should watch

this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W8kpgDm1rs) then. Tell me, are you going to judge this poor lady the same as well?

You people are a tough crowd for sure and I must admire you because obviously if anything like this happened to YOU, you would all have it together. [/*]

Wow this guy was 28 with a pregnant wife as well. I really do believe that there is a lot of foul play going on.

Musterion

03-02-2008, 03:09 AM

Queen Anne Crime. 17 February 2008. Home Invasion. 1.9 miles from Publicis.

Police initially thought the crime was not random. The second article says that it was random.

http://www.pacificpublishingcompany.com/site/tab2.cfm?newsid=19335745&BRD=855&PAG=461&dept_id=513932&rfi=6

'made off with two laptop computers, the victim's cellphone, $200 from his wallet, his ATM card, his PIN code and his BMW'
'His car was later found abandoned in Queen Anne.'

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004189641_webrobbery20m.html

Queen Anne and Magnolia are two large neighbourhoods merging into one. Nicholas worked on the south end of Queen Anne. Magnolia is north west of Publicis.

This article, dated 14 January 2008, talks about the increase of crime since 1 October 2007.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/348488_magnolia24.html

'The MacMillans' rented house is one of about 30 homes and businesses burglarized in Magnolia the past few months, an unusual crime wave for an area of well-to-do and middle-class folks.'

'Online reports show the thief or thieves prefer electronics -- computers, laptops, cell phones, Xboxes and electric games, for example.'

Here is a map that shows the locations of the crimes. Along with descriptions.

http://sleeplessinmagnolia.ning.com/

If criminals are escalating their robberies by storming into homes and tying people up and assaulting them for computers and cell phones, it seems nothing would be thought of attacking a young man walking down the street with a laptop and cell phone in his hands. Stealing his car and leaving it somewhere....

Just thoughts. JMO.

Breazy

03-02-2008, 03:15 AM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

I don't think so re. the PI....I don't know many employers who would spend the money when LE is on the case. The fact that they've hired their own PI is very telling to me... [/*]

Nicholas could have been working on an important presentation or project and took material home to work on overnight. If this is the case, it would be a lot of work to redo what had already been done, i.e. copywriting, spec ideas, etc.

Edited to add: Nicholas may have even come up with the creative idea himself which had already been approved by the client and with Nicholas not there, maybe they wouldn't be able to use it and would have to start off from scratch costing more time and money, even possibly the loss of a client.

Breazy

03-02-2008, 03:36 AM

Originally posted by AngS

[respecfully snipped]

Anyhoo...maybe this has been answered already, but does anyone know why Nicholas would have said "I love you, Bella"?
Why would he call her Bella? [/*]

I've wondered about the origin of Bella myself. I wish someone could tell us if it is just a nickname, middle name or what.

Another thing, I think it strange that he would say, "I love you, Bella." Almost like he was emphasizing it cause he knew he wouldn't be seeing her for awhile or if ever. Which also makes me think maybe if he did leave on his own, it wasn't because of her. When my husband and I speak on the phone, one always says, "love you" and the other "love you too" but to be so pronounced about it by saying "I love you, Bella" just seems like it is being emphasized for some reason.

Breazy

03-02-2008, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Here is the info on the man who was found yesterday:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/15454016/detail.html

Officials Identify Body Found In Lake Washington

POSTED: 2:55 pm PST February 29, 2008
UPDATED: 3:46 pm PST March 1, 2008

BELLEVUE, Wash. -- The King County Medical Examiner’s office says the body of a man found in Lake Washington on Friday is that of 40-year-old Clayton Davis.

Officials believe Davis is to have died on December 27, 2007 from accidental drowning.

A 12-year-old girl who lives in the area spotted the body Friday floating off a dock near lakefront homes.

Davis was found wearing rain gear and did not appear to have any signs of trauma. Police used fingerprint records and looked through missing person cases to identify him. [/*]

:rose: May he rest in peace and his family have closure.

Silver_Dove

03-02-2008, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by Musterion
Queen Anne Crime. 17 February 2008. Home Invasion. 1.9 miles from Publicis.

Police initially thought the crime was not random. The second article says that it was random.

http://www.pacificpublishingcompany.com/site/tab2.cfm?newsid=19335745&BRD=855&PAG=461&dept_id=513932&rfi=6

'made off with two laptop computers, the victim's cellphone, $200 from his wallet, his ATM card, his PIN code and his BMW'
'His car was later found abandoned in Queen Anne.'

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004189641_webrobbery20m.html

[/*]

I think you have these two turned around your "second" one from the Times is dated 2/19 and they say it is random but your "first" link from pacific publishing is dated 2/24 and says it was not random. My take is this the police have now found out it was not a random act.

Also none of the crimes was anyone kidnap. If they were going to rob the guy and take his car why not leave him dead on the street like all of the other crimes around here? It is much simpler then kidnapping him, taking him somewhere and killing him without leaving a trace. Seems like kidnapping and driving around with him is a lot of risk for an old car, a phone and a laptop.

Also why keep moving the car around in the condo parking lot? Even Greta ask about that one.

Breazy

03-02-2008, 04:23 AM

I'm finally caught up and it's 2 a.m. here so off to bed I go :seeya:

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by Breazy

I've wondered about the origin of Bella myself. I wish someone could tell us if it is just a nickname, middle name or what.

Another thing, I think it strange that he would say, "I love you, Bella." Almost like he was emphasizing it cause he knew he wouldn't be seeing her for awhile or if ever. Which also makes me think maybe if he did leave on his own, it wasn't because of her. When my husband and I speak on the phone, one always says, "love you" and the other "love you too" but to be so pronounced about it by saying "I love you, Bella" just seems like it is being emphasized for some reason. [/*]

I said something similar about me and my husband. I don't know if this is just her embellishing, remembering incorrectly, or if each time they spoke he actually made a declaration like that.

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara
I can't really comment on something I haven't seen. I have only read here about the plea for money. What I would like to know is has she asked for money, and if so how many times..1,2 etc... or is the plea for money coming from friends.. which if it's from friends, they may think that's their way of helping her out. [/*] (snipped)

I don't believe that SHE actually asked for money; however family members spoke on her behalf - here are just a few...

fashiongreentbags says:
I just spoke with Christine's sister and she said that financial support is desperately needed. Finances were tight before this and now they're in somewhat of a crisis.
Her sister's name is Jannel.
She also said that people in the area could call this number:
Autumn and lee
(deleted phone number)
to volunteer to search or donate meals.
Christine has a 4 and 2 year old and is pregnant with her third child.
They have not set up a donation center as of yet but THEY ARE TRULY IN NEED OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT! &HEARTS;

rinnovibodyspa says:
i logged in this morning and i was flooded with paypal email. thank you all so much i am overwhelmed by the love and support from etsy and everyone. someone on here had asked about the kids. well they are not doing well at all. they see photos of their daddy on the news and beg for him, everytime the front door opens my youngest runs to the door screaming "dada, Dada". my oldest, our daughter, had a complete meltdown yesterday screaming for her daddy "I want my daddy". it just broke my heart. they need all the distraction they can get. all the company is helping but company wont always be here and i just don't know how to comfort them. there isn't anything i can say to bring them comfort as the same with me. we just want Nicholas to come home to us. thank you again for all the support. there is still no word. blessings to you all.
Posted at 1:06 pm, February 17 2008 EST

gabrielsaunt says:
I just spoke with a family friend of the Franciscos and he mentioned that what they need now is monetary donations and people to help get groups together and search. They are also setting up a WAMU account in the family's name, but that is not complete yet.
If you do want to help, money is the best thing. IF you are in the Seattle/Tacoma area, like me, and want to help post fliers, then feel free to convo me.
Posted at 1:42 pm, February 17 2008 EST

gabrielsaunt says:
they are in real need of money at this point. Lee told me that they have a lot of folks offering to feed the family for the next few weeks. Money and searching is needed the most he said.
Posted at 2:17 pm, February 17 2008 EST

gabrielsaunt says:
To volunteer, call Autumn or Lee. They will then give you an email address so that you can contact them to volunteer for searching or posting fliers. lee told me that thye have enough food that they need money now and people to help search.
Posted at 4:16 pm, February 17 2008 EST

rinnovibodyspa says:
I went searching for him today. still nothing. there is 2 possible sightings of him on the night he went missing but nothing confirmed. the reward for info that leads to him is now $5000.00

Please keep a thread going. I am blown away by all of the support and I really do need it. it really helps to come here and see that you are all praying. The financial help and care packages for my kids are such a great help. Thank you to those who coordinated it.

I am not giving up. Please don't you give up either. I am 7 weeks pregnant today with our 3rd child.

thank you to etsy admin for letting the threads go as long as you possibly can. I really appreciate it.

blessings to you all.
Christine
rinnovi body spa
bella style boutique
Posted at 9:50 pm, February 17 2008 EST

The request for money was over and over and over again - sometimes 2 -3 requests on the same page. I think this is where people got turned off. Christine acknowledges the flood of paypal email but does not request for it to be stopped. That would lead me to believe that they are indeed in financial trouble. JMO

Curiouser

03-02-2008, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I said something similar about me and my husband. I don't know if this is just her embellishing, remembering incorrectly, or if each time they spoke he actually made a declaration like that. [/*]

I don't really think we can glean much info from the fact that he supposedly said, "I love you, Bella." To begin with its her telling it and it may or may not have been said, if it was said it may not be an exact quote and even if it is an exact quote, so what?

I'm wondering if Italian would be his native language or he just likes the sound of the Bella thing. Don't think there's really any story there either. My brother-in-law used to call his wife "my delight" from some old movie they'd seen together. We thought oh how sweet, but come to find out she hated it and it was just to tease her because he knew she didn't like it. Sort of an inside joke between 2 married people.

Curiouser

03-02-2008, 08:24 AM

Can I just mention this here, our number of posts doesn't seem to be changing anymore. Also when I first signed up I had checked to receive an e-mail when a reply was posted on a thread I was in, several days ago after a blue billion e-mails I unchecked this box (and it still shows up unchecked) but I'm still getting them. Am I not doing something here that I should be?

jagstar58

03-02-2008, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by Curiouser
Can I just mention this here, our number of posts doesn't seem to be changing anymore. Also when I first signed up I had checked to receive an e-mail when a reply was posted on a thread I was in, several days ago after a blue billion e-mails I unchecked this box (and it still shows up unchecked) but I'm still getting them. Am I not doing something here that I should be? [/*]

Just a suggestion here. Perhaps put a note up on the feedback board as it might be a glitch.

There were probably seventy-five more posts when I just logged in. This was after about 7PM last night. So I don't know about your unchanging numbers.

Welcome to IS! :seeya:

Curiouser

03-02-2008, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by jagstar58

Just a suggestion here. Perhaps put a note up on the feedback board as it might be a glitch.

There were probably seventy-five more posts when I just logged in. This was after about 7PM last night. So I don't know about your unchanging numbers.

Welcome to IS! :seeya: [/*]

According to my computer, its not just my numbers that aren't changing, its everyone's. I saw RainyNite back on page 40 something and the number there was the same as on this page.

jagstar58

03-02-2008, 08:44 AM

I was thinking about the judging of Christine last night and offer the following.

She seems like one of those high achievers who is very used to everything being perfect, looking perfect and has values based on how that is presented.

She appears to be a bit high strung and I believe they were living beyond their means period. I am none of the above and if my hubby just didn't show up one night, I'd be on your screens every night with a bull horn. Just the thought of being thrown into total chaos and the underlying feeling we have about men being able to get up and walk out on their families would scare the daylights out of me. I would be insistent my hubby could never walk out on us but I know a great family man who did just that one day and he started a new life.

I'm sure the statistics tell her it's possible so she is probably confused and doesn't want to look like a fool either. It has to be hellish.

I think people are being a bit skeptical because of the finance business, but come on, they were clearly living on the edge.

I am going to refrain from putting her in the hot seat unless we find something that indicates she could be culpable in his current missing status.

JMHO

Edit - The post count updates as you make a new post and it's reflected in each prior post too.

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 08:50 AM

Jagstar - I think your post is right on target. I think she had a doting loving husband one day - a very special husband who made her sweet gifts and labeled her pictures with declarations of love - things like that. I'm sure she is completely overwhelmed. I also began to think about her age. I know some think 28 years of age is a mature age, but looking back at myself at that age I don't think I made wise rational decisions.

Trying to piece this together is like working with a rubics cube that doesn't have all the pieces to begin with.

I know for ME MYSELF every dime I had would go to the reward money. But as I said, that is me. Everyone is different.

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 08:55 AM

I would like to add that in looking over those threads she does appear to be very confused. She asked the name of the Texas search organization (Texas Equusearch) - someone gave it to her and she then replied that they did not go outside of Texas. A couple of people sent her links and told her that was wrong but it didn't seem to really sink in until later. I think she emailed the Director but I have no idea what the status of that is. I do wish Tim Miller and team would go down there and help her, but I know there are thousands of people wishing the same thing.

jagstar58

03-02-2008, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Jagstar - I think your post is right on target. I think she had a doting loving husband one day - a very special husband who made her sweet gifts and labeled her pictures with declarations of love - things like that. I'm sure she is completely overwhelmed. I also began to think about her age. I know some think 28 years of age is a mature age, but looking back at myself at that age I don't think I made wise rational decisions.

Trying to piece this together is like working with a rubics cube that doesn't have all the pieces to begin with.

I know for ME MYSELF every dime I had would go to the reward money. But as I said, that is me. Everyone is different. [/*]

Every day I am reminded of how nice it would have been to know what I do now when I was younger. ;) It might have changed the direction of life. I would have kept all the main characters, but skipped a few chapters of the book if you know what I mean.

I am praying he did not meet with foul play and that he will make contact with his family. But I don't feel confident he just walked away. Is everything at a standstill right now as far as LE goes?

Also, any news on searches?

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by jagstar58

Every day I am reminded of how nice it would have been to know what I do now when I was younger. ;) It might have changed the direction of life. I would have kept all the main characters, but skipped a few chapters of the book if you know what I mean.

I am praying he did not meet with foul play and that he will make contact with his family. But I don't feel confident he just walked away. Is everything at a standstill right now as far as LE goes?

Also, any news on searches? [/*]

I have searched on all of my links and find NOTHING. No updates on his best friend's blog - no new searches planned on the calendar of events they had going - no new articles or follow up in the Seattle Times.

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 09:04 AM

Someone on WS mentioned that there was a Sonics game the night he went missing - they brought up a good point about the traffic. Since I know nothing about that area, is the arena close to where he works? Would there have been detours? I know in my town when we have even a college game, certain roads are blocked off and what a pain - you can get to where you're going but it is an alternate route. If this is possible, would a detour have put him in a bad part of town?

jagstar58

03-02-2008, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I have searched on all of my links and find NOTHING. No updates on his best friend's blog - no new searches planned on the calendar of events they had going - no new articles or follow up in the Seattle Times. [/*]

And we still don't know what LE wanted to talk to Christine about on Friday (?) right?

It's very similar to the bringjohnhome.com family. It looks like nothing new but the day changes on their site too.

It's got to be tough if Christine has the kind of personality I think she does. Trying to get movement on missing adults is very difficult. I think most call in cases of missing adults point in the direction of leaving because they wanted to, but you can't just dismiss them either because you never know until you find them.

JMHO

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by jagstar58

And we still don't know what LE wanted to talk to Christine about on Friday (?) right?

It's very similar to the bringjohnhome.com family. It looks like nothing new but the day changes on their site too.

It's got to be tough if Christine has the kind of personality I think she does. Trying to get movement on missing adults is very difficult. I think most call in cases of missing adults point in the direction of leaving because they wanted to, but you can't just dismiss them either because you never know until you find them.

JMHO [/*]

Did you look at the website I put up of the King County Sheriff's office last night? It showed only two people missing and they were old cases. Surely there are more than that - I don't understand why Nicholas' picture would not be on there.

decor

03-02-2008, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Did you look at the website I put up of the King County Sheriff's office last night? It showed only two people missing and they were old cases. Surely there are more than that - I don't understand why Nicholas' picture would not be on there. [/*]

This is the 2nd sentence on that site rainy.

"First, detectives must determine if a person is missing against their will"

since LE doesn't have that proof they don't have him listed there.

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by decor

This is the 2nd sentence on that site rainy.

"First, detectives must determine if a person is missing against their will"

since LE doesn't have that proof they don't have him listed there. [/*]

Morning Danette :seeya:
I guess therein lies the problem - determining which is the case.

Danette44

03-02-2008, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Morning Danette :seeya:
I guess therein lies the problem - determining which is the case. [/*]

Goor Morning Rainy - sorry was outside mowing ugh! You know after reading that report about the woman's house being broke into and them not taking fingers prints or anything - makes you wonder about the Police Department there anyway. Why bother searching for a missing man, when nothing shows it was foul play!

Seems like that is a popular crime area not far from his work place. They target laptops - ATM cards, so whats not to say they didn't target Nicolas? And if so where is he, they don't kill their victims.

Nellie

03-02-2008, 11:17 AM

About the fund raising....
I've always been curious if a couple of the posters at Etsy knew Christine personally or are even a family member. They would say they talked to her sister or talked to her friends, and two questions always crossed my mind.

1. How did they know WHO her sister or friends were and how did they know how to reach them.

2. If they didn't know them personally, then how did they know who they were really talking to on the phone....it could have been anyone.

Just curious....
One time I witnessed a woman online pretend to be her own daughter.

Nellie

03-02-2008, 11:29 AM

Another comment about the fundraising....
Someone mentioned that they seemed to be living on the edge.
I guess that could be true. Many people do.
I guess I just have a problem with people living on the edge and then think others are suppose to take care of them. So, maybe it's my own personal feelings that are getting in the way of this case. I guess just hearing that finances were bad before and then instantly turned into a crisis made me feel like the money was being collected to get them out of their financial crisis...that was already made before Nicholas dissappeared rather than provide for their day to day needs NOW while he's gone.

A lot is made of Christine and this other lady in the similar case being "stay at home mom's", dependent on their husband's salary. I understand that. So, if they had jobs would people be setting up fund raising for them or is it just because they don't have jobs? I'm curious about that, sorta.

I also wonder why some think it is so wrong to question some of these things, when the same things would be questioned if the wife went missing. Right now Drew Peterson is pretty hated and some pretty ugly things are said about him because people suspect he killed his wife who has gone missing. But, where's the evidence? Maybe he killed his first one, but where's the evidence that his present wife didn't take off? While I believe she didn't, they don't have evidence of that yet. So, if we are to wait on evidence about this case before jumping to conclusions or have opinions, then why isn't that same standard applied to Drew Peterson. I don't know that I hear anyone calling him "a poor man who's wife ran out on him and has left him to raise his children all alone". I just find it curious how we treat cases differently depending on if it's female or male.

That being said, I do not believe that Christina has harmed her husband or has anything to do with his dissappearance. My first thoughts are still that he has taken off...but I'm open to the possibility of foul play.

There really just isn't much new to say. I do feel sorry for Christina if her husband took off on her, but it happens every day and people don't get funds set up for them. Many women have to deal with this on their own. It's not as if she's all alone....there seems to be a lot of family and friends. So, I guess the appeal for money bothered me more than anything. And I think that may be my own problem....I don't respond well to "woe is me" people who expect others to fix their problems. I guess my next question would be "how long" shall people offer their financial support? I just don't see why the financial support was needed so immediately and that's the part that raised flags for me.

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Danette44

Goor Morning Rainy - sorry was outside mowing ugh! You know after reading that report about the woman's house being broke into and them not taking fingers prints or anything - makes you wonder about the Police Department there anyway. Why bother searching for a missing man, when nothing shows it was foul play!

Seems like that is a popular crime area not far from his work place. They target laptops - ATM cards, so whats not to say they didn't target Nicolas? And if so where is he, they don't kill their victims. [/*]

This is why I think the logistics of what he was actually doing when last seen is important. If he was walking toward his car or in the parking garage, someone could have seen him with his laptop and carjacked him. However, AMW says "A colleague saw Nicholas leaving his company's parking lot and that was the last time he was seen." This would lead me to believe that he was safe driving away - so that leave the stop at the grocery store.

Musterion

03-02-2008, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

I think you have these two turned around your "second" one from the Times is dated 2/19 and they say it is random but your "first" link from pacific publishing is dated 2/24 and says it was not random. My take is this the police have now found out it was not a random act.
. [/*]

Yes. You are right! I mistakenly turned the first two links around. Thank you for pointing that out! LE thought the crime was not randon initially. They later changed their assessment.

jtazzy

03-02-2008, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I would like to add that in looking over those threads she does appear to be very confused. She asked the name of the Texas search organization (Texas Equusearch) - someone gave it to her and she then replied that they did not go outside of Texas. A couple of people sent her links and told her that was wrong but it didn't seem to really sink in until later. I think she emailed the Director but I have no idea what the status of that is. I do wish Tim Miller and team would go down there and help her, but I know there are thousands of people wishing the same thing. [/*]

I really hope she did email them. I also think that LE has to say it is okay if they come search. There is one case I have been following that the family asked and TES was coming and the LE said no. I really hope TES comes and helps search for him. I really don't think that he is just up and left on his own. jmo

Danette44

03-02-2008, 12:08 PM

Hi Nellie - I'm curious also is to why it's different for a male and female, where is Reed when you need him - he'd be all over this case. lol I asked why she isn;t going on TV or her local stations pleading for her husbands safe return, I get a link back showing she has - I realize she HAD, but is that 2x's enough to plead for your husbands return?

She claims her children are having nightmares about their Daddy - is this responible to allow your young children to be exposed to such details? I would do what I had to, to shield them from hearing anything. My husband was in the Navy, I had 3 small children that I had to raise alone while he was out to sea for 9 months at a time - I worked full time, took kids to daycare 5 days a week, this was in 1978, them times were alot harder than nowadays - and we had no family around. Yes, Nicholas is missing and yes it may not be to his own doing - but you do what you have to, to protect your children. JMOO

Track292003

03-02-2008, 12:12 PM

Can someone help me with more information about LE wanting to talk to Christine as recently as this past Friday, February 29? How do we know that?

I read here that the investigators wanted to "tell her something" (or words to that effect). I'd have thought they would want to ask her something as well.

I'm also curious about whether she has been posting since then and, if so, if the tone of her messages has changed at all.

I appreciate your responses! Thank you!

Danette44

03-02-2008, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

This is why I think the logistics of what he was actually doing when last seen is important. If he was walking toward his car or in the parking garage, someone could have seen him with his laptop and carjacked him. However, AMW says "A colleague saw Nicholas leaving his company's parking lot and that was the last time he was seen." This would lead me to believe that he was safe driving away - so that leave the stop at the grocery store. [/*]

I'm begining to have no faith in the Police Department now after reading the comments people have to say about needing their help. Makes me wonder if they would check for any camera's at Costco's or Safeway now. The time frame seems to be, between 6:10pm when he left work and 10pm would she notified the police he was missing, is that correct? If so there is 4 hrs to figure what happen.

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by jtazzy

I really hope she did email them. I also think that LE has to say it is okay if they come search. There is one case I have been following that the family asked and TES was coming and the LE said no. I really hope TES comes and helps search for him. I really don't think that he is just up and left on his own. jmo [/*]

Well this is true - LE would have to okay it. I cannot imagine any LE agency not wanting help. Seems like they let their pride and ego get in the way at times.

desmom

03-02-2008, 12:19 PM

I do not believe Christine was involved in Nicholas' disappearance either. Some of her comments do make me a little suspicious about what she knows.....not sure how to put into words...I just have a feeling she knows something important that has not been released to the public.

I do not think his disappearance is a random act/foul play situation because of the timing. People would be heading home from work, stopping at the store, heading out to school/church/social functions, stopping for gas, taking their dogs for walks. I think at that hour someone would have noticed something out of the ordinary. I have not totally ruled out foul play, but I don't think it is at the top of list of possibilities.

Whatever has happened to Nicholas Francisco, I hope he is found safe and the situation is resolved soon.

jmo

Danette44

03-02-2008, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Track292003
Can someone help me with more information about LE wanting to talk to Christine as recently as this past Friday, February 29? How do we know that?

I read here that the investigators wanted to "tell her something" (or words to that effect). I'd have thought they would want to ask her something as well.

I'm also curious about whether she has been posting since then and, if so, if the tone of her messages has changed at all.

I appreciate your responses! Thank you! [/*]

Yes she posted on that prayer site they set - up for her and she thank everyone for their prayers and said still no word on his car, this was Friday night, I'm sorry I don't have the link to that site anymore.

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Track292003
Can someone help me with more information about LE wanting to talk to Christine as recently as this past Friday, February 29? How do we know that?

I read here that the investigators wanted to "tell her something" (or words to that effect). I'd have thought they would want to ask her something as well.

I'm also curious about whether she has been posting since then and, if so, if the tone of her messages has changed at all.

I appreciate your responses! Thank you! [/*]

Track - I saw that mentioned, but I didn't read anything about it, so I have not responded. Been kinda waiting myself to see if someone else knew.

Danette44

03-02-2008, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by desmom
I do not believe Christine was involved in Nicholas' disappearance either. Some of her comments do make me a little suspicious about what she knows.....not sure how to put into words...I just have a feeling she knows something important that has not been released to the public.

I do not think his disappearance is a random act/foul play situation because of the timing. People would be heading home from work, stopping at the store, heading out to school/church/social functions, stopping for gas, taking their dogs for walks. I think at that hour someone would have noticed something out of the ordinary. I have not totally ruled out foul play, but I don't think it is at the top of list of possibilities.

Whatever has happened to Nicholas Francisco, I hope he is found safe and the situation is resolved soon.

jmo [/*]

Thats not so - Kelsey Smith was kidnap right outside the Target store with people in parking lot going into the store. Mr. Hall was able to get her in her car and drive off and not ONE person seeing anything. So, desmom it could of happen to Nicholas also. jmo

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Yes she posted on that prayer site they set - up for her and she thank everyone for their prayers and said still no word on his car, this was Friday night, I'm sorry I don't have the link to that site anymore. [/*]

this one? http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/

I only saw one post by her and it didn't mention a detective (not saying I didn't miss one)

field of snow

03-02-2008, 12:31 PM

Jagstar (and others) --

I am trying hard to not be down on Christine, however, when I get a feeling about someone, I am usually always right. She lost it for me when:

A) Her "felt the baby move" comment. (read back if you are unclear about this --it's been posted)

*) Her shilling between her husband's (which I believe she set up and was probably running for him) and her new shop on Etsy. Both were open at the beginning of February. It's a big sign of dishonesty and deception. Also a sign of desperation.

and other little things....

Did she do something to Nicholas? I don't think so. I don't think anything has been done TO him anyway. Does she know more than she is letting everyone who is supporting her believe? Yes. That is what my opinion is. I think whatever happened is too shameful for her to admit the truth in public because it makes her look bad (at least in her perfect happy marriage eyes).

I don't like feeling anything bad towards her. I just cannot help it given the little things that keep adding up wrong.

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 12:40 PM

My computer is running so slow trying to access this website (all others are fine so don't know what the problem is)....so....

Nellie - I have said more than once on here that Christine is no exception. Had she gone missing, Nicholas' every moment would be on video on the 6:00 pm news. I do not understand the double standard on this at all. Hopefully LE is asking just some darn basic questions that might shed some light.

Danette (I think said this) about Kelsey - yes she was abducted in broad daylight in a busy parking lot - the only problem I have with that comparison is that she was a tiny girl and Nicholas was 6' tall. If there was more than one person though, it could explain it. Again, where was the last time anyone really saw him?

Snow - I don't like feeling bad about people either. I'm trying hard to be objective in spite of things that do not make sense to me. I think Jag and Musterion may have summed up her personality the best.

Danette44

03-02-2008, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

this one? http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/

I only saw one post by her and it didn't mention a detective (not saying I didn't miss one) [/*]

Thats not it Rainy - it was on the newest Etsy sites and she was the 94th poster......I went looking as far back as the 49th page here and can't find it now lol Sorry.

Danette44

03-02-2008, 12:44 PM

Oh wait!! That is it, look on the 94th post she is tanking people for their prayers......

Danette44

03-02-2008, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

this one? http://supportingchristine.wordpress.com/

I only saw one post by her and it didn't mention a detective (not saying I didn't miss one) [/*]

I wasn't commenting on a detective, I was just saying yes she had posted online this past week also...sorry for the confusion.

HarlettOhara

03-02-2008, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Did you look at the website I put up of the King County Sheriff's office last night? It showed only two people missing and they were old cases. Surely there are more than that - I don't understand why Nicholas' picture would not be on there. [/*]

Missing person cases, unfortunately, are not a top priority.. unless there is evidence of foul play involved. After an initial search for a person a lot of times the LE will just wait for tip(s) to come in of sightings. Many of their sites are not kept updated with the new missing persons.

Sunday Moon

03-02-2008, 12:57 PM

I also don't think Christine did anything to him. I also believe she is holding back from sharing things with LE. It's possible that she is in deep denial and voicing these things will make everything more "real". I know the alternative to him running away is devestating but Christine is SO adamant that he would NEVER leave that I do think she believes that and is afraid to admit it to herself and others. I do feel quite sorry for her but that doesn't preclude me from analyzing her behaviors.

Track292003

03-02-2008, 12:57 PM

Thannks, Rainy....I was not aware of that site!

I think that even if Nicholas left of his own volition, he left to get away from some trouble that he saw looming in the future. And maybe the "trouble" became a crisis the evening he went missing and he met with foul play.

I also think he hinted at the trouble to Christine and that LE knows about the situation.

Any comments?

HarlettOhara

03-02-2008, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Well this is true - LE would have to okay it. I cannot imagine any LE agency not wanting help. Seems like they let their pride and ego get in the way at times. [/*]

It happens more often than not... the people that followed Naomi Arnette's case will remember this well... she was a mother of 7 that went missing.. the LE did not do much of anything in trying to locate her for several months. Some of us got involved, got a few things done, TES came in and in 1 1/2 days found Naomi. LE was not happy with them being there and tried to put it off that it was an accident that they found Naomi.

KindraLore

03-02-2008, 01:17 PM

desmom

03-02-2008, 01:18 PM

These article may explain why the Franciscos' resigned from the Mars Hill Church. There appears to be some internal issues.

http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/mark-driscoll-and-mars-hill-elders-in-%e2%80%9cmajor%e2%80%9d-or-%e2%80%9cminor%e2%80%9d-sin/

http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/02/29/mark-driscoll-and-mars-hill-elders-betrayers-of-a-trust/

http://prayingheart.wordpress.com/2008/03/01/mark-driscoll-continues-to-lie-to-mars-hill-members/#more-66

Musterion

03-02-2008, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
RE: Nicholas could have been abducted in plain sight in the parking lot.

Maybe..... but he was young and in excellent shape. It would have taken two or three people to grab him, drag him into a car and drive off.

Once again.....most super stores have video cameras on the parking lot. Something would have been spotted if it had occured there. [/*]

There appear to be conflicting statements if Nicholas was seen leaving in his car or not.

If he never was able to leave the area where his car was parked there would be no video cameras to record him. That we are aware of.

As far as being young and healthy statistics show that those two factors make it MORE likely a person will suffer from a violent crime:

The odds of being a victim of a violent crime during adulthood are greater than 2 to 1. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, Youth Violence Research Bulletin — February 2002)

In 2005 --
The FBI's Uniform Crime Reports show that in 2005, 88% of murder victims were age 18 or older. Of all murder victims, 45% were 20 to 34 years old.

Males experienced higher victimization rates than females for all types of violent crime except rape/sexual assault.
According to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports, most murder victims were male, 79% in 2005.

See also Homicide Trends in the United States and Data Online for characteristics of homicide victims by State and large locality.
Men were more likely than women to be the victim of a carjacking (2 men and 1 women per 10,000 persons). (Burea of Justice Statistics).

Musterion

03-02-2008, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
RE: the mistreatment of Christine.

Actually people are being very kind to her.

But as it was brought up, had it been the other way around and the pregnant Christine missing, Nicholas would be under the microscope.

He would have been interrogated and asked to take a lie detector test and maybe asked to stay away from his job....take a leave of absence until the case was cleared. After all, no one wants to work with someone under suspicion or considered "a person of interest"

So the mere asking of questions.....is not that hateful. If it gets answers than it was needed [/*]

Maybe Christine was asked to take a polygraph.

Questions do need to be asked, about Nicholas mostly. IMO.

Musterion

03-02-2008, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I think that if Christine had been asked to take a lie detector test.....she would have stated this all over the various boards about this injustice. [/*]

Or she could have been advised to keep quiet.

desmom

03-02-2008, 02:15 PM

Re: Financial Issues

Many corporations issue credit cards to their employees. My husband has one for airline tickets, hotels, meals etc. He can also use the card for personal expenses, but the company expects the personal expenses to be paid in full when the bill arrives - no time payments.

What if the debt NF was shielding from CF was personal use of the corporate cc?

dianaelaine

03-02-2008, 02:16 PM

YAY! I'm able to post again!

PHEW! Was having withdrawal anxiety all ready. :D

Anyway, I'm the one who received the message, and here is the whole thing:

----------------------------------------------

Christine is sick and just trying to be alone and stay off the internet for a while. She is sick too. I asked what she needed and she just said that money is the best thing now. Since she is unable to run her Etsy business she has no source of income at all......"

There is no new news as to clues or leads or anything.. more and more people are becoming convinced that he left her... at least that is what i am getting from people that knew them in the past and online.... I will keep checking in every few days or so.

-----------------------------------------------

So there ya go, draw your own conclusions ... :)

Diana

dianaelaine

03-02-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I am glad you are back. [/*]

Me too Beth! And thank you. :)

Nellie

03-02-2008, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Maybe Christine was asked to take a polygraph.

Questions do need to be asked, about Nicholas mostly. IMO. [/*]

Hi Musterion! I agree with you on many points.
I'm curious...what type of questions do you think need to be asked about Nicholas? Do you have any thoughts concerning him?

dianaelaine

03-02-2008, 02:22 PM

I can give her name and even her shop name ... but should I?

I don't want to get in trouble.

Nellie

03-02-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
YAY! I'm able to post again!

PHEW! Was having withdrawal anxiety all ready. :D

Anyway, I'm the one who received the message, and here is the whole thing:

----------------------------------------------

Christine is sick and just trying to be alone and stay off the internet for a while. She is sick too. I asked what she needed and she just said that money is the best thing now. Since she is unable to run her Etsy business she has no source of income at all......"

There is no new news as to clues or leads or anything.. more and more people are becoming convinced that he left her... at least that is what i am getting from people that knew them in the past and online.... I will keep checking in every few days or so.

-----------------------------------------------

So there ya go, draw your own conclusions ... :)

Diana [/*]

Very interesting, if true. Perhaps this young woman is becoming depressed?

The thing about the "no income" now...I can understand. But it just came too soon for me. I guess before appealing to strangers on the internet (which I probably wouldn't do anyway), my family would help me. I wouldn't instantly go into a money panic...that makes Nicholas look like he was just a meal ticket. But, realistically, the money would eventually become an issue. So, I would not close down the ONLY source of income I had, #1.
Secondly, I'd be calling my mortgage company and credit card companies, utilities, etc and tell them the situation and see what arrangements they could do to help me out. Utilities actually have funds set up to help people out. I'd also be appealing to my church family for help. Even though they had just resigned their church, they were members there for at least 2-3 years, so I just can't imagine that they would totally desert them in a great time of need. Also, many other churches will help out a woman with two small children in the community even if they never knew her. There are just other ways of getting help than an internet group and putting out the word that you need money. I'd be going to the resources in my community to see what I would be available for....even foodstamps.

The panic should not have been so immediate for funds to live on RIGHT NOW. I just feel like the panic was more about bills already made instead of living expenses for today.

I could be wrong...just the way I feel about the fund raising.
There are even government agencies that could help her.

Nellie

03-02-2008, 02:29 PM

One other thing...
What do other women do who have a husband who leaves them?
They all don't do fundraising. Women find themselves in the situtation every day of a husband taking off and leaving them with small children and no income. What do they do? The element of him "missing", I guess, makes her more of a sympathetic case, rather than a woman who has had her man leave her.

But. how long can the funds keep coming in? And why did she panic that he'd never come home so quickly? And what future plans would she have for income? I hope someone in her community is helping her to plan her future and giving her advice on how to handle this loss of income.

dianaelaine

03-02-2008, 02:30 PM

I have to leave for awhile guys ... going out to shop a bit and eat.

I'll check back in when I return. :)

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Hi Musterion! I agree with you on many points.
I'm curious...what type of questions do you think need to be asked about Nicholas? Do you have any thoughts concerning him? [/*]

I would be interested to hear this also, as Musterion (IMO) has been a fair, unbiased poster for both Christine and Nicholas.

DianaElaine - glad to see you back :seeya:

desmom

03-02-2008, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

--snipped--

There are even government agencies that could help her. [/*]

I have found several agencies that could possibly help Christine. Because she is pregnant and has 2 children, they would be considered a family of four.

This site helps families apply for benefits and locate resources in their community.

http://www.parenthelp123.org/

Parents work hard to provide for their families. Sometimes they need a little help. ParentHelp123 can help you find out if your family may qualify for health insurance and food programs in Washington State!

I am sure this is the last thing she wants to do, but sometimes Moms have to do things they don't want to do to provide for their children.

jmo

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

Missing person cases, unfortunately, are not a top priority.. unless there is evidence of foul play involved. After an initial search for a person a lot of times the LE will just wait for tip(s) to come in of sightings. Many of their sites are not kept updated with the new missing persons. [/*]

Well that is sad - it seems they would err on the side of caution - all it is is a click of a button to add or delete the pic.

desmom

03-02-2008, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
RE: inventory.

Then what was in the storage unit where he was last seen.

That eyewitness is sure it was Nicholas and recognized the car...... this was posted somewhere but can't say where. Might have been on another board. [/*]

Just throwing out possiblities.

Another car?

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Beth
"There is no new news as to clues or leads or anything.. more and more people are becoming convinced that he left her... at least that is what i am getting from people that knew them in the past and online."

Was the above part of the message to dianaelaine or dianaelaine's own response? If it was part of the message, is this person saying that even people that C and N know are starting to believe that he left her? [/*]

YAY! I'm able to post again!

PHEW! Was having withdrawal anxiety all ready.

Anyway, I'm the one who received the message, and here is the whole thing:

----------------------------------------------

Christine is sick and just trying to be alone and stay off the internet for a while. She is sick too. I asked what she needed and she just said that money is the best thing now. Since she is unable to run her Etsy business she has no source of income at all......"

There is no new news as to clues or leads or anything.. more and more people are becoming convinced that he left her... at least that is what i am getting from people that knew them in the past and online.... I will keep checking in every few days or so.

-----------------------------------------------

So there ya go, draw your own conclusions ...

Diana

There is a line drawn after that second paragraph so it looks like part of the message from that other person[/*]

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I thought I read (and i could be wrong), that she had all of her inventory in her house, in a room filled with nothing but fabric and inventory. Anybody else remember this or something similar? [/*]

I thought I remembered something similar - like they had fixed up a room for her sewing needs. I know on the website below it mentions working on their house - not sure what that entailed.

http://www.franciscodesign.com/

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 03:02 PM

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Re: your e-mail program.

I think you need to unsubscribe to the thread...... the e-mails should stop.. [/*]

oops you're right - I have notifications sent to email when I have a PM

ThruTheTrees

03-02-2008, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I have a quick question and can't seem to figure it out. Maybe somebody can help me?

When i registered here, I used my work email. I just went into my office and was mortified to see 1500 emails from this board in my inbox. Even when i went into my profile and edited the email settings, they are still coming. Does anybody know which specific option would stop these emails?

TIA [/*]

Ah, I was just getting ready to look that up myself! Too many emails! Here's what you do: go to "User CP" at the top of the page. Then go to the "Edit Options" link. Then go to "Use 'Email Notification' by default?". Change "yes" to "no". Save. Ta da! Hope it works, I just tried it on mine.

Musterion

03-02-2008, 03:05 PM

desmom

03-02-2008, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Re: your e-mail program.

I think you need to unsubscribe to the thread...... the e-mails should stop.. [/*]

It sounds like it. This explains email notification and how to subscribe/unsubscribe.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/misc.php?action=faq&page=3#notify

desmom

03-02-2008, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I thought I remembered something similar - like they had fixed up a room for her sewing needs. I know on the website below it mentions working on their house - not sure what that entailed.

http://www.franciscodesign.com/ [/*]

From the above link:

7/09

Nicholas is remodeling an entire room in our house and 1/4 of it (but we all know it will be more) will be for my boutique/sewing. For now ALL of my fabric (i have tons) is taking up 1/4 of my living room and is an unorganized eye sore, at least though the fabrics are pretty to look at

desmom

03-02-2008, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i thought it notified you whenever there was a post to this thread, as opposed to a PM. [/*]

If you check yes in the "Use Email Notification by default", you will receive an email whenever someone replies to a thread that you have participated in.

If you check yes in the "Send you an email when you receive a Private Message", you will receive an email notifying you of a pm.

I have both boxes checked NO.

I do have the "Pop up a box when you receive a Private Message" marked yes. Whenever I log in or refresh a page, a box will pop up informing me of a pm.

All of the above is under User CP.

jmo

Musterion

03-02-2008, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Hi Musterion! I agree with you on many points.
I'm curious...what type of questions do you think need to be asked about Nicholas? Do you have any thoughts concerning him? [/*]

Any questions that keep the focus on him and keep his name and face in the public. Questions that have more than likely been asked of the people closest to him. Regarding his character, his state of mind, his background. His habits. His interests. His movements and communications the last day, week, month, year of his life. Questions you and I probably cannot answer.

My thoughts concerning him are based on statistics. Statistically speaking he is more likely to have been a victim of a random violent crime than to have planned an escape from his life. That breaks my heart for his little ones and his wife, his family and friends.

KindraLore

03-02-2008, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Beth
I thought I read (and i could be wrong), that she had all of her inventory in her house, in a room filled with nothing but fabric and inventory. Anybody else remember this or something similar? [/*]

In the interview with Nick's mom that I posted some pages back, she said Nick had either built on or redecorated a whole room devoted to sewing and Christine's business at their home.

Silver_Dove

03-02-2008, 03:24 PM

Storage: in the first days there was a reported sighting of N at a storage unit and a gas station. As far as I know nothing more was said about them and I'm guessing it was just some other guy with a red car.

There has been nothing said to make me believe that they kept her stuff in a storage unit and there as been talk of him remodeling her a room for her sewing.

My take is the storage unit is nothing and she does keep her inventory in the house.

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 03:53 PM

annalyzer

03-02-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
RE: the mistreatment of Christine.

Actually people are being very kind to her.

But as it was brought up, had it been the other way around and the pregnant Christine missing, Nicholas would be under the microscope.

He would have been interrogated and asked to take a lie detector test and maybe asked to stay away from his job....take a leave of absence until the case was cleared. After all, no one wants to work with someone under suspicion or considered "a person of interest"

So the mere asking of questions.....is not that hateful. If it gets answers than it was needed [/*]

It's much more likely that a man will murder his pregnant SO than a pregnant woman murder hers. :read:

Musterion

03-02-2008, 04:30 PM

MystryPhobia

03-02-2008, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Any questions that keep the focus on him and keep his name and face in the public. Questions that have more than likely been asked of the people closest to him. Regarding his character, his state of mind, his background. His habits. His interests. His movements and communications the last day, week, month, year of his life. Questions you and I probably cannot answer.

My thoughts concerning him are based on statistics. Statistically speaking he is more likely to have been a victim of a random violent crime than to have planned an escape from his life. That breaks my heart for his little ones and his wife, his family and friends. [/*]

I agree Musterion.. I feel that he was the victim of a random crime. I hope that I am wrong but it has been a long time and there has been no sign of him. Police haven't been able to locate him.. place him anywhere.. he just vanished.. took no money.. took no clothes.. nothing but a laptop and a cell phone (that he hasn't used)?

I don't have a problem with the talk on here and other boards about the money and Christine.. etc. I think that is just normal for us to think and feel that we should question things about her and her story. People are right.. if it was the other way around.. Nicholas would be getting the same treatment.

But.. I just feel that something happened to him that day.. either in the Costco parking lot or on his way to his car. And I know people will say that someone would have seen something but how many stories have we heard where NOBODY did see anything? I remember a story of a woman assaulted in the grocery store parking lot.. with her children in her car.. and nobody saw a thing except the person who found her lying beside her vehicle. In my mind.. if someone wanted to.. they could have have Nicholas and his car out of the city and on a rural road where nobody would be looking for him in no time.

KindraLore

03-02-2008, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
...so true but if he was messing around and was going to leave her pregnant and with two children to support.....might want to seek revenge.

Her motive would be just as strong. [/*]

For that scenario to have happened she would have had to do one of two things:

First he was last seen leaving work not home, so she would have had to of either met him somewhere else, with 2 small kids in tow, killed him without anyone seeing her including her four year old, and hid him somewhere. Then she would have had to of taken his car and put it in the parking lot where it was found.. but if she had her own car to drive, how would she accomplish that? Or maybe she waited until he came home then killed him (without her 4 year old who could talk would see) then she would have had to put his body in his car, put her kids in the car, taken the car to where it was found, and cleaned it good enough to where no evidence was found, then walk or take a cab home with two little kids. (moving a heavy dead body of a grown man and her being pregnant would be quite difficult as well.

Or, she paid someone to off the only secure income she had coming in. The father of her kids and the unborn child she is carrying. Most likely she would have had to have paid this person and there would entail a money trail.

Musterion

03-02-2008, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

But the people closest to him would be saying things like he would never leave - not possible. They may have missed small signs that are significant. Someone close to him needs to be able to speak rationally about him, whether it be his boss, his closest friend at work, his best friend, etc. Of course if he kept everything to himself, they may never get a clear picture. [/*]

It seems they believe they are speaking rationally about him. And the consensus is that he is not the type of man to leave.

Good LE and PI work should be able to dig deeper with questions and unearth any inconsistencies in Nicholas' life.

starling

03-02-2008, 04:57 PM

anyone see 'The Up Side of Anger'?

Still hoping he took a break :rose:
~S

Musterion

03-02-2008, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I don't have a problem with the talk on here and other boards about the money and Christine.. etc. I think that is just normal for us to think and feel that we should question things about her and her story. [/*]

Asking questions isn't a bad thing.

Asking questions not based on fact can be harmful and hurtful.

Much of the speculation is based on hearsay, not fact. Much of it is taken out of context.

I, also, have no issue with people asking questions. I just hope that in the process a woman's reputation and character are not ruined. Those are two of the most precious things any of us possess.

KindraLore

03-02-2008, 05:26 PM

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I agree Musterion.. I feel that he was the victim of a random crime. I hope that I am wrong but it has been a long time and there has been no sign of him. Police haven't been able to locate him.. place him anywhere.. he just vanished.. took no money.. took no clothes.. nothing but a laptop and a cell phone (that he hasn't used)?

Mystry - there you are - I was wondering if you could ask your friend a question. Can anyone confirm where exactly Nicholas was when they last saw him? Was he walking toward his car? Was he getting into his car? Did they see him pull out of his parking space? There are conflicting reports and I think it makes a big difference.

KindraLore

03-02-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Each member should be able to add what ideas he or she thinks would put the pieces together to make a complete picture of what really happened.

[/*]

Exactly! I totally agree with you there Beth E! :)

MystryPhobia

03-02-2008, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
When a person comes up missing the significant other or spouse is immediately suspect.

If it had been Christine that was missing Nicholas would be the first to have to answer the main question. Did she come home or didn't she. If he said no, how many people would REALY believe it. Many wouldn't.

Christine is putting herself in a very difficult position if she knows that he took off but insists that he met with foul play. She is and should be the first person LE looks at for answers.

What really did happen to Nicholas if he did meet with foul play. Who would want him dead and who would profit from his death.

They would think....maybe he DID come home that night.

Please note: I am only speculating and not suggesting that she had anything to do with his death. My opinion is that he left on his own. [/*]

I don't think that there is any indication that he came home or that she harmed him in any way.

Just because your marriage is not as theirs is/was.. you can't assume that makes her guilty of something. It could have been because he was a gentlemen.. who genuinely loved and cared for his family and loved doing things for them. There is MUCH MORE EVIDENCE of that then ANYTHING ELSE.

I don't think he left on his own.. unless there is a signifcant reason.. such as.. his family being in danger or something like that.

As someone mentioned.. as far as the cell phone being company issued. That has not been determined that I know of.. has it? In fact. I have read that T Mobile handed the records regarding cell towers etc over to Christine and she handed them over to LE.. T Mobile didn't give them to Publicis.. which would indicate that it was a private cellphone.. wouldn't it?

Track292003

03-02-2008, 05:44 PM

Nicholas may have, as Desmom suggested, misused a corporate credit card. Perhaps those charges and the money from PayPal added up to a tidy sum.

greeneyez78

03-02-2008, 05:45 PM

Does anyone here know that he definately didn't make it home that night???

Danette44

03-02-2008, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
A good discussion group takes a subject that presents a puzzle. Each member should be able to add what ideas he or she thinks would put the pieces together to make a complete picture of what really happened.

No one is insisting that what they feel happen is based on solid evidence. If that evidence were available, there would no longer be a puzzle.

We are here to speculate....not accuse. Leave that up to LE.

Re: Christine. If she doesn't read this board and if people would stop contacting her about what is being said, she would not be so stressed. [/*]

I agree with you Beth Engleman - and for someone who ask to be left alone and staying away from the interent, she just posted on her site when someone said they need to keep her site updated to keep Nicholas in the news, and Christine just replied..........."still nothing", what kind of reply is that? I guess I must be a heartless person for my thoughts of Christine about now. Yes, I will keep them to myself.

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by greeneyez78
Does anyone here know that he definately didn't make it home that night??? [/*]

To my knowledge, no.

MystryPhobia

03-02-2008, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Mystry - there you are - I was wondering if you could ask your friend a question. Can anyone confirm where exactly Nicholas was when they last saw him? Was he walking toward his car? Was he getting into his car? Did they see him pull out of his parking space? There are conflicting reports and I think it makes a big difference. [/*]

Here I am. I have been having HUGE issues with my DSL the last 3 days... makes it hard to post when it take 10 minutes for the page to load. Hopefully CW will seperate this one soon.. cause we are getting kinda long here.

Nobody saw him get into his car or driving. They saw him on the sidewalk outside Publicis.. walking towards his car. That was the last time anyone saw him. Not sure how many of his coworkers saw him tho.. if it was one of more of them.

isitme

03-02-2008, 05:54 PM

Well I will say that once I know someone has not been truthfull about something I tend to not believe them after that. So in this case there is much for me to doubt that C has said.

1. Feeling the baby moving
2. Whether she is even pregant
3. That she has reported the phone calls as they actually happened.
4. That he didn't come home on the 13th
5. What their financial status is/was

decor

03-02-2008, 05:56 PM

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Here I am. I have been having HUGE issues with my DSL the last 3 days... makes it hard to post when it take 10 minutes for the page to load. Hopefully CW will seperate this one soon.. cause we are getting kinda long here.

Nobody saw him get into his car or driving. They saw him on the sidewalk outside Publicis.. walking towards his car. That was the last time anyone saw him. Not sure how many of his coworkers saw him tho.. if it was one of more of them. [/*]

I'm having problems also waiting for it to load....thank you for your answer. To me that makes a big difference - he may never have made it out of his parking space.

decor

03-02-2008, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by isitme
Well I will say that once I know someone has not been truthfull about something I tend to not believe them after that. So in this case there is much for me to doubt that C has said.

1. Feeling the baby moving
2. Whether she is even pregant
3. That she has reported the phone calls as they actually happened.
4. That he didn't come home on the 13th
5. What their financial status is/was [/*]

I agree. once a person lies all credibility goes out the window.

MystryPhobia

03-02-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
OK so you think he met with foul play.

Who would do such a thing and why?

They didn't take his car, didn't use his credit cards and have not used his bank account. He didn't have much in his wallet. They didn't take and use his cell phone or his computer. So, we can rule out robbery.

Who would abduct him to harm him. Who would profit most from his death? Who indeed. [/*]

WHAT?? How could you possibly rule out robbery??

We don't know what he had in his wallet. IT IS MISSING!

We don't know that nobody took his cell phone or computer!!! IT IS MISSING

TMobile uses sim cards in their phones.. take the sim card out and you have a phone to sell.. as far as his laptop.. uh.. how do you know nobody is using it? Someone hasn't tried to sell it?

The car? How do you know that the person responsible for his disappearance wasn't using his vehicle. IT had been moved around in the parking lot of the condos. Just because they didn't see anything out of the ordinary.. doesn't mean ANYTHING!

decor

03-02-2008, 06:01 PM

was the car really moved around the parking lot or did someone say that they thought it had been moved. I can't remember where it was quoted.

RainyNiteNTx

03-02-2008, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by decor

I would be interested to know why people from the past feel that he left on his own. Also wonder if her current personal friends feel the same. (not internet friends as I think they cannot actually know a person strictly from the internet).
Also his best friend's blog looks like it has gone back to everyday living, he added a link to America's Most Wanted on the 25th and that was the end of it.
Of course I am not sure what more he could have written or done but it just seems so strange, maybe because we are still discussing it. [/*]

John Glasgow's site is being kept current with a running time of how long he has been missing. This is what I find so sad - nothing is being updated for Nicholas. Their calendar of events shows nothing since the 27th and his friend's blog has not been updated.

Silver_Dove

03-02-2008, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
OK so you think he met with foul play.

Who would do such a thing and why?

They didn't take his car, didn't use his credit cards and have not used his bank account. He didn't have much in his wallet. They didn't take and use his cell phone or his computer. So, we can rule out robbery.

Who would abduct him to harm him. Who would profit most from his death? Who indeed. [/*]

If and I don't believe it personal he met with foul play I can't believe it was anything but planned for it to be so neat and tidy. No evidence, no motive, no robbery of an amount that would make a difference.

I don't believe it was for insurance or any monetary gain because they were so neat. In order to collect anything you have to have a body or a good probability he was killed other wise she will have to wait 7 years to have him declared dead. Much better to have had a messy murder with a body.

I don't think C had anything to do with it just wants so bad for him not to have left her so the only other choice would be to have him dead. I guess I kind of hope she does get enough money to support herself and her kids at least till she has the baby because she is going to either have to find a new husband or go to work at some point if he doesn't show up.

abstr

03-02-2008, 06:04 PM

There was someone who reported seeing Nicholas there. I don't recall reading anywhere that it was confirmed that they had a storage space.

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
RE: inventory.

Then what was in the storage unit where he was last seen.

That eyewitness is sure it was Nicholas and recognized the car...... this was posted somewhere but can't say where. Might have been on another board. [/*]

desmom

03-02-2008, 06:07 PM

Re: cell phone

Feb. 22, 2008
http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=29560

Christine also says she has had no luck tracking his phone records.

"T-Mobile will not release it because I'm not on the account. And that's only because it's through his company."

Feb. 23, 2008

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004196637_francisco23m.html

Private negotiations with Francisco's cellphone company resulted in T-Mobile's "generous" offer to release the records voluntarily, according to his wife, Christine Francisco.

She said she turned the records over to detectives Friday.

KindraLore

03-02-2008, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by Beth
After reading that link, put out by his company, I'm not seeing that his cellphone is even missing. Maybe it has been verified somewhere, but I'm not seeing it there. I'm seeing that they have been unsuccessful in obtaining his cellphone records, but nothing about a missing cellphone. [/*]

According to this link (http://www.katu.com/news/15724947.html) it says:

She said that deputies also have beeen pinging his cell phone, but have gotten no response. Nicholas' co-workers say his cell phone batteries were dead on his last day at work.

I doubt they would be pinging a cell phone that is not missing.

abstr

03-02-2008, 06:19 PM

I think that could be taken two ways.
1...the phone was issued to him by Publicis. If so why would they need a court order to get phone records

2...Nicholas got a discount because he was employed by Publicis and that's why he opened the account in his name. Typically a cell phone bill or other utility bills are just in one spouses name.

Nothing I've read about the cell phone confirmed much.

Originally posted by Beth
"Christine also says she has had no luck tracking his phone records.T-Mobile will not release it because I'm not on the account. And that's only because it's through his company." [/*]

Silver_Dove

03-02-2008, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by decor
was the car really moved around the parking lot or did someone say that they thought it had been moved. I can't remember where it was quoted. [/*]

From the Nancy Grace interview transcript here:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/21/ng.01.html

close to the end of the transcript

GRACE: Well, Christine, what is this I heard about his car being in different parking spots?

FRANCISCO: That`s what has been reported but it`s -- I don`t know.

I found it interest like she was going to try to say it was true then changed her mind. Since if it was true chances are good he was moving it or someone he gave the keys to.

seattlematt

03-02-2008, 06:25 PM

Hi Guys!

I'm new, but have been lurking since day 2 of his disappearance. I have become slightly obsessed with this case (it's funky weather season here in Seattle... so it's something to do).

A few thoughts....

1. His cell phone isn't really that significant. I think it's been pointed out once or twice.. but going to state it again. He could have picked up a prepaid phone. They are available practically everywhere and it isn't much of a hassle to get one (you don't have to give Credit Card information.. or even your real name for that matter).

2. The whole Costco thing is very fishy.... there is a big Safeway no more than 2 blocks from his office (I shop there often). And... how many cookies are these people baking to need sugar from Costco.

3. The whole storage facility thing is intriguing. It is highly possible that he had a car stashed there that CF didn't know about.

4. I too think the whole money thing is VERY fishy. There was too much that came together too quickly.

I've been of the theory since about day 8 that he had been banking money on the side that he didn't tell her about, cashed out, and hit the open road.

Time will only tell I guess

ThruTheTrees

03-02-2008, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Beth

Okay, so that rules out the cellphone but what about the laptop? Has it been confirmed that it was a company laptop? People automatically assume my laptop is my company's because I work from it, both at home and at work. In reality, it is my personal laptop that I bought to make my life easier so that when I'm paged in the middle of the night, I don't have to drive to my office or elsewhere to resolve work related issues. I still have a desktop at work and I wonder if he did as well? [/*]

I wondered if it was his own laptop, and not the company's, but based on how the company reported that they were attempting to trace the laptop, it seems to indicate it was theirs, or at least they had some details on it. See http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/

The fact that they state it has been filed in some "national crimes" database, that they are checking to see if it pops up on craigslist, etc., seems like they may have had detailed info about it. I suppose they could have just known the make of it and put that in. They also state "And for Nicholas' laptop, AirPort was the built-in method or card he used." but again, that's something they could just know based on the model -- AirPort comes standard on the Macbook.

MystryPhobia

03-02-2008, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by desmom
Re: cell phone

Feb. 22, 2008
http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=29560

Feb. 23, 2008

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004196637_francisco23m.html

[/*]

I still don't understand. Was it a work phone or not and why would they give the records to Christine when she wasn't on the account and the phone and bill were the property of Publicis? That makes no sense to me.

But.. I do have to say.. if it was a company phone and they wanted him to be able to be mobile and still be able to get ahold of him then I he would have been provided with a car charger too. So, did he have one? Any.. why.. if he did, didn't he use it? AND why point out to Christine and coworkers that it was dead if he was able to plug it in once he got in the car... it should have been a non-issue.

Another thing that I have heard is that not much is being said about the disappearance at Publicis. Maybe the PI for Publicis did find something and the big wigs there no about it and that is why they aren't saying much. I don't know but I thought that was strange.

desmom

03-02-2008, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by seattlematt
Hi Guys!

I'm new, but have been lurking since day 2 of his disappearance. I have become slightly obsessed with this case (it's funky weather season here in Seattle... so it's something to do).

A few thoughts....

1. His cell phone isn't really that significant. I think it's been pointed out once or twice.. but going to state it again. He could have picked up a prepaid phone. They are available practically everywhere and it isn't much of a hassle to get one (you don't have to give Credit Card information.. or even your real name for that matter).

2. The whole Costco thing is very fishy.... there is a big Safeway no more than 2 blocks from his office (I shop there often). And... how many cookies are these people baking to need sugar from Costco.

3. The whole storage facility thing is intriguing. It is highly possible that he had a car stashed there that CF didn't know about.

4. I too think the whole money thing is VERY fishy. There was too much that came together too quickly.

I've been of the theory since about day 8 that he had been banking money on the side that he didn't tell her about, cashed out, and hit the open road.

Time will only tell I guess [/*]

Welcome to Insession Boards!