Nicholas Francisco 28, Seattle, 2-13-08 (car found) [Archive] - Page 6

HarlettOhara

02-28-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Nothing yet, huh? I just sat down to catch up on everything. I remember a poster (I'm sorry I can't remember who right now!) stating she was going to send a message through MySpace to the other missing man's wife. I wonder if she got a reply. BOTH of these cases are complete mysteries! I am perplexed to say the least. As far as I can tell the police aren't actively searching for Nicholas. Are they searching for the other man? So many unanswered questions! [/*]

We haven't received a reply from her yet, It has been confirmed he has not been seen or heard from in the past 2 weeks at his place of employment. We also have a picture of him now. We are still working on getting more information on both of these men.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3001

Sunday Moon

02-28-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

When the police don't do a visable active search....when I don't see a command center for searches......I always get the feeling that there is a suspicion that the person just left. I'm always intrigued by some of these cases and how they determine that a person may have taken off by themself while others they instantly jump to foul play, even if there is no evidence. There was really no evidence at first of foul play in Laci's case....but it seemed to be immediately considered foul play and was treated as such. I have to ask myself why is there such a difference in the way cases are treated. [/*]

You know, I was wondering the exact same thing! I wonder what it is they know that distinguishes the cases from one another. It might not be anything concrete but just a set of facts surrounding each case. I think that in Laci's case they determined pretty quickly that she would not leave on her own */c she was very pregnant, it was Christmas Eve, and she often spoke to her mom and didn't that day. Then AGAIN, Nicholas is a seeming family man, speaks to his wife often during the day, and doesn't have a history of doing anything like this. So..........who knows! So odd.

ThruTheTrees

02-28-2008, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I didn't even know that blog was connected to Mars Hill Church. [/*]

The West Seattle Blog is a community/neighborhood blog that covers various topics for that area. The church that the Franciscos attended is located in West Seattle. But the WS blog itself is not connected to the church. There is yet another blog specifically for the church where people (including Christine) have also posted some comments.

Confusing, I know!

jtazzy

02-28-2008, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

We haven't received a reply from her yet, It has been confirmed he has not been seen or heard from in the past 2 weeks at his place of employment. We also have a picture of him now. We are still working on getting more information on both of these men.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3001 [/*]

Do you think the two missing men could be related?

RainyNiteNTx

02-28-2008, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

We really don't KNOW what Christine saw on Pay Pal to make her think he shielded her from their debt. It may not have been a withdrawal....that was just some speculation. Pay Pal also has a line of credit.....maybe his balance on it alarmed her. But, still to me, if it was a credit card balance that would not be enough for me to let everyone I know that we were broke and in desperate need of money. She could still eat, etc. and make payments on that credit card....it's not like it had to be paid off instantly. [/*]

True - I forget that nothing has been verified or checked by LE that we know of to back this up.

ThruTheTrees

02-28-2008, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Let me clarify - I'm not talking about gag gifts - but more like craft galleries - something like that. [/*]

Knowing the area fairly well, I think he would have gone somewhere close to his work in downtown Seattle if he was looking for a gift that was artistic/crafty. His work is very near downtown and there are many galleries in the Belltown and Pike Place Market area close by. Rather than Federal Way where the car was found, which is a suburb that is out of the way from his main path. There's nothing too memorable in that area, just a lot of mainstream big box stores, strip malls, etc.

HarlettOhara

02-28-2008, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by jtazzy

Do you think the two missing men could be related? [/*]

Really don't know yet, but if you look at the maps we have they lived fairly close to each other.. Vili's wife works at Costco. don't know if it's the one Nicholas stops at or not yet..

RainyNiteNTx

02-28-2008, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Knowing the area fairly well, I think he would have gone somewhere close to his work in downtown Seattle if he was looking for a gift that was artistic/crafty. His work is very near downtown and there are many galleries in the Belltown and Pike Place Market area close by. Rather than Federal Way where the car was found, which is a suburb that is out of the way from his main path. There's nothing too memorable in that area, just a lot of mainstream big box stores, strip malls, etc. [/*]

Okay thanks - that answers that.

jtazzy

02-28-2008, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by HarlettOhara

Really don't know yet, but if you look at the maps we have they lived fairly close to each other.. Vili's wife works at Costco. don't know if it's the one Nicholas stops at or not yet.. [/*]

Too close for comfort for me>>>

huskiki

02-28-2008, 10:38 PM

Hi Guys, I just caught up. The one thing that sticks out to me is the comment about him having a he!! of a big family. 2 or 3 kids wouldn't fall under that category would it? Could he have children with another woman that we don't know about. I know, I know but IF he did and Christine just found out about it ...I'm just saying.

I sent a message to Fale's wife via myspace this afternoon and haven't heard back from her.

RainyNiteNTx

02-28-2008, 10:38 PM

Nellie

02-28-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I think that people are talking about a prayer vigil that was held last Wed., Feb. 20, here in Seattle, not the ones in Oregon this week that Nicholas's sisters are involved with. The Feb 20 prayer vigil was the same night as the Greta interview.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about that. [/*]

I wondered what prayer vigil everyone was talking about. And I agree. I think I'm the one who mentioned she said she wasn't going to a Prayer Vigil but I didn't realize it was in Oregon. So, that is understandable if that's where it was. Is this the only one there has been? I think she taped the Greta interview on Feb. 21....not Feb. 20. She posted about all of her tv interviews on Feb. 21 and it sounded like they happened that day.

i didn't think greta was rude just very business like. nancy spoke with me after the interview and was so kind and i believe she was even tearing up herself. I am wiped. today was sooooooooooooo long and emotionally exhausting. I did the interview with the detective (no new news though), then fox live, then radio, then nancy. i was literally gone all day long.

thank you for all of your prayers. keep them coming please.
Posted at 11:35 pm, February 21 2008 EST

HarlettOhara

02-28-2008, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Do you know where he was when anyone saw him last or is that part of the information you are trying to get? [/*]

Right now we don't know where he was.. that is someting we are trying to determine.

RainyNiteNTx

02-28-2008, 10:42 PM

http://www.mailpen.net/

scroll to the bottom - it lists all tv interviews, etc.

MystryPhobia

02-28-2008, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

No...in some areas of my town we have a couple of unique gift shops - things you can't get at the mall. (They are out of the way)I was wondering since it was before Valentines if he thought he would buy something and went to a special store that was out of the way. [/*]

Oh yeah.. that is a good thought. I don't know. And like ThruTheTrees said.. there are SOOO many shops and things in and around SouthCenter Mall area.. I would be surprised if he would have to go to Federal Way to find something unique.

MystryPhobia

02-28-2008, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
Hi Guys, I just caught up. The one thing that sticks out to me is the comment about him having a he!! of a big family. 2 or 3 kids wouldn't fall under that category would it? Could he have children with another woman that we don't know about. I know, I know but IF he did and Christine just found out about it ...I'm just saying.

I sent a message to Fale's wife via myspace this afternoon and haven't heard back from her. [/*]

I sent her a message this morning also on her myspace. I think it is VERY strange that there is no mention of him not being around on there. VERY STRANGE!

ETA.. I also emailed the local news agencies around here about him and the coincidences in the disappearances. I got a couple of replies inititally... them trying to get more info from me but I haven't heard anything since then.

RainyNiteNTx

02-28-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Oh yeah.. that is a good thought. I don't know. And like ThruTheTrees said.. there are SOOO many shops and things in and around SouthCenter Mall area.. I would be surprised if he would have to go to Federal Way to find something unique. [/*]

I wasn't explaining it very well but you guys "got it" :)

Danette44

02-28-2008, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I didn't even know that blog was connected to Mars Hill Church. [/*]

Hi Nellie - I didn't know that either til that remark she said and closing the site down.

RainyNiteNTx

02-28-2008, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Hi Nellie - I didn't know that either til that remark she said and closing the site down. [/*]

Someone posted above that its not connected to the church, but they are connected to the "west" side of Seattle and that is where the church is....is that right Seattle people?

huskiki

02-28-2008, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I sent her a message this morning also on her myspace. I think it is VERY strange that there is no mention of him not being around on there. VERY STRANGE!

ETA.. I also emailed the local news agencies around here about him and the coincidences in the disappearances. I got a couple of replies inititally... them trying to get more info from me but I haven't heard anything since then. [/*]

I'm not sure that we'll hear back from her. If he walked out on her maybe she doesn't want people to know. That could be why there is so little information on him.

Good job on getting replies from the local news! Hopefully they will dig deeper and find some answers.

Nellie

02-28-2008, 10:52 PM

Ok, I'm trying to give Christine some benefits here.
1. I don't think 2-3 kids is a large family. My own daughter has 2 children, ages 4 and 1.
2. I think some men DO cook, unlike the men from my own generation. Younger men do tend to spend more time in the kitchen and helping around the house more. My SIL loves to cook, even after work.
3. I could see my SIL POSSIBLY baking cookies with his 4 year old daughter, but must admit it is more likely that mommy would do that with her, or they'd all do it together. I don't, however, think he'd do it after working all day until 6:00. I could see him stopping by the store on the way home though, if they needed something. Why not? But, I think it's way late to stop at the store after 6, and drive home and bake cookies in time for the kids to get to bed by 8 (which is what C said). When was he suppose to eat supper? :shrug:

I think the biggest thing bothering me about C and this case is the appeal for money (and yes, she put the word out) and her defensiveness for anyone to even THINK he'd leave her. Even with Greta, she seemed indignant that Greta could even ask her that and made it clear how much he loved her. I felt like she was mad that anyone would think he loved her less than she felt he did.....like it was an insult to her instead of a natural question. I also don't like how this case has become more about Christina than it is about Nicholas. That's not the norm in a missing person case.

I honestly don't know what to make of this case. I don't think C did anything to him. I think he took off and she's angry and scared and can't admit her fears that he left her to anyone. I also think she's a bit of a drama queen and knows how to garner sympathy (I've seen that in people before), and that's why she puts so much attention on her pregnancy....that's a woe is me scenario. I also think she has used her 2 children to garner sympathy with speaking about them having no daddy RIGHT IN FRONT of them. That really bothered me. She should have shielded those children from that....children need reassurance. My 4 year old g-daughter would be traumatized too if she heard her mommy saying they can't find daddy and she won't have a daddy.

So whil e I'm trying to give her some benefit of the doubt on some subjects, I'm upset with her on others, I'll admit. I just have an impression from her that it's always "all about her" and I hate feeling that way when I don't know someone.

Danette44

02-28-2008, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

The West Seattle Blog is a community/neighborhood blog that covers various topics for that area. The church that the Franciscos attended is located in West Seattle. But the WS blog itself is not connected to the church. There is yet another blog specifically for the church where people (including Christine) have also posted some comments.

Confusing, I know! [/*]

Oops! I thought they were also - thank you Thru for setting (me) straight.......I should read all before answering.......back to :read:

Nellie

02-28-2008, 11:01 PM

One thing I've wondered about and haven't seen anywhere...and no one probably knows the answers...

But, he dissapeared the night before Valentine's Day. A lot of times young couples will play how to celebrate ahead of time. I wonder if there had been any kind of plans made for dinner out on Valentine's Evening or any other kind of plans. A lot of times these plans are made ahead of time so they can line up a babysitter. So, I'm just curous if they had planned a romantic evening out as a couple for Valentine's Evening. Just a curiosity...

desmom

02-28-2008, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by Nellie
Ok, I'm trying to give Christine some benefits here.
1. I don't think 2-3 kids is a large family. My own daughter has 2 children, ages 4 and 1.
2. I think some men DO cook, unlike the men from my own generation. Younger men do tend to spend more time in the kitchen and helping around the house more. My SIL loves to cook, even after work.
3. I could see my SIL POSSIBLY baking cookies with his 4 year old daughter, but must admit it is more likely that mommy would do that with her, or they'd all do it together. I don't, however, think he'd do it after working all day until 6:00. I could see him stopping by the store on the way home though, if they needed something. Why not? But, I think it's way late to stop at the store after 6, and drive home and bake cookies in time for the kids to get to bed by 8 (which is what C said). When was he suppose to eat supper? :shrug:

I think the biggest thing bothering me about C and this case is the appeal for money (and yes, she put the word out) and her defensiveness for anyone to even THINK he'd leave her. Even with Greta, she seemed indignant that Greta could even ask her that and made it clear how much he loved her. I felt like she was mad that anyone would think he loved her less than she felt he did.....like it was an insult to her instead of a natural question. I also don't like how this case has become more about Christina than it is about Nicholas. That's not the norm in a missing person case.

I honestly don't know what to make of this case. I don't think C did anything to him. I think he took off and she's angry and scared and can't admit her fears that he left her to anyone. I also think she's a bit of a drama queen and knows how to garner sympathy (I've seen that in people before), and that's why she puts so much attention on her pregnancy....that's a woe is me scenario. I also think she has used her 2 children to garner sympathy with speaking about them having no daddy RIGHT IN FRONT of them. That really bothered me. She should have shielded those children from that....children need reassurance. My 4 year old g-daughter would be traumatized too if she heard her mommy saying they can't find daddy and she won't have a daddy.

So whil e I'm trying to give her some benefit of the doubt on some subjects, I'm upset with her on others, I'll admit. I just have an impression from her that it's always "all about her" and I hate feeling that way when I don't know someone. [/*]

Nicely said and ITA!

Curiouser

02-28-2008, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Nellie
One thing I've wondered about and haven't seen anywhere...and no one probably knows the answers...

But, he dissapeared the night before Valentine's Day. A lot of times young couples will play how to celebrate ahead of time. I wonder if there had been any kind of plans made for dinner out on Valentine's Evening or any other kind of plans. A lot of times these plans are made ahead of time so they can line up a babysitter. So, I'm just curous if they had planned a romantic evening out as a couple for Valentine's Evening. Just a curiosity... [/*]

Nellie, I had questioned this earlier also. I hadn't thought about the baby sitter aspect of it but that's a possibility. I was just wondering if she received any flowers or anything on Valentine's Day itself delivered by a store but from him that he might have ordered in advance or found a gift around the house that he was planning to give her. And did she have something for him???

Kamiron

02-28-2008, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

When the police don't do a visable active search....when I don't see a command center for searches......I always get the feeling that there is a suspicion that the person just left. I'm always intrigued by some of these cases and how they determine that a person may have taken off by themself while others they instantly jump to foul play, even if there is no evidence. There was really no evidence at first of foul play in Laci's case....but it seemed to be immediately considered foul play and was treated as such. I have to ask myself why is there such a difference in the way cases are treated. [/*]

A lot of times when it is a male "victim" the police will do a basic search but they will not do a full fledged search unless there is obvious foul play. If it is not an obvious case of foul play, the police will usually suggest that the male left on his own. I don't know, I guess cops don't think that it is unusual for males to flee.

decor

02-28-2008, 11:43 PM

Hi everyone,
I'm new and I have read from page 15 on of this thread. I have also read a lot of other blogs threads etc. about Nicholas. I have to say that I think this one is the best as everyone is just trying to come up with possible answers to all of these questions with the least judgment possible.

I wanted to respond to this because a number of people have mentioned about the large family.

I think that was referring to his extended family not just his immediate family, parents, siblings, grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins which can make a rather large family.

I am interested in everyones theories as it makes for intriguing reading.

I hope everything works for the best in the end but from the beginning I have felt that we have not been told the entire truth.

Curiouser

02-28-2008, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by decor
Hi everyone,
I'm new and I have read from page 15 on of this thread. I have also read a lot of other blogs threads etc. about Nicholas. I have to say that I think this one is the best as everyone is just trying to come up with possible answers to all of these questions with the least judgment possible.

I wanted to respond to this because a number of people have mentioned about the large family.

I think that was referring to his extended family not just his immediate family, parents, siblings, grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins which can make a rather large family.

I am interested in everyones theories as it makes for intriguing reading.

I hope everything works for the best in the end but from the beginning I have felt that we have not been told the entire truth. [/*]

Welcome, decor!!
I definitely agree that we don't have the entire truth. I just hope that if and when they do find him and the truth is that he just ran away for personal reasons that they at least tell us that he's been found.

decor

02-29-2008, 12:01 AM

thanks curiouser

Nellie

02-29-2008, 12:20 AM

I just found another group that Christine is on...it's connected with Etsy,I think. But it's a separate group. She only joined it on Feb. 11.....two days before he went missing. Isn't it also the same day they resigned from their church? I'm beginning to wonder if something took place on Feb. 11 that we don't know about. She posted this on there as her introduction and it really left me wondering what she meant by it. What does she mean by "on a short break"? Did she actually close her store on the 11th instead of after Nicholas went missing? I have no idea, but this really puzzled me to see this posted elsewhere and it appears to have been posted on Feb. 11th, the day she signed up for this group. I just don't know what to make of it.

Introduction: "Hi. I am an etsy seller on a short break. In the meantime, I would love to find some crafty friends to create with."

In so many ways I can identify with Christine because I am also a business woman who makes products to sell online and sell from my own website. I am also a Christian, and I have also been very involved in a "less than conventional non-denomination church" that I eventually withdrew from too. I tend to think she's a good person, but possibly embellishes things a bit (like saying she taught herself to be a seamstress overnight....that's a bit of a stretch"....so is saying she felt the baby move already). I've known people like that who will embellish things and they aren't bad people. Usually they have low self-esteem and need the attention. So, I can overlook some of the things she says and chalk it up to a need she has within herself.

It's the constant appeals for money that bothers me the most. But, I'll be honest....I've seen a lot of that on discussion boards before and it's always a total turn-off for me. Many people have financial concerns, but they don't go to people across the country expecting them to bail them out. That has alway bothered me.

They also need money--EXTREME NEED
I find myself asking "what is the extreme need?"

The family has not set up a donation center as of yet but THEY ARE TRULY IN NEED OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT! If you can help in the way of a PayPal donation, Christine's paypal address:
I find myself asking "Financial support for what?"

OK, PAYPAL/DONATION INSTRUCTIONS ARE THESE:All PayPal fees up until this point have been refunded by PayPal to Christine. Future fees would be charged though so that means we all need to wait for the WAMU account info for any further money transfers. I don't know how this will happen or if it will be easy to transfer that money, but it will save Christine the fees. As soon as Fashion or myself know the bank info, we will post. Fashion has to head out and I have to catch up on some orders so please convo me if you have questions. thank you all!!

It's too bad that PayPal won't forgive the fees for future payments too. I wonder why not?

I find myself asking why anyone thinks regular Pay Pal fees should not apply to the donations made to Christine. Pay Pal is a business....just like a bank.

The desperate cry for funds is the most bothersome to me and they may not have a thing to do with his dissappearance, but may just be a fund of opportunity.

NEW: Per Christine's request, we ahve removed the former church link
I find myself asking why she would make such a request. Why would she care? Was this request made out of anger toward the church? Honestly, if my husband is missing I wouldn't worry about such a thing....even if I was angry with them, my fear would override any anger I felt toward them at the time.

Nellie

02-29-2008, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by decor
Hi everyone,
I'm new and I have read from page 15 on of this thread. I have also read a lot of other blogs threads etc. about Nicholas. I have to say that I think this one is the best as everyone is just trying to come up with possible answers to all of these questions with the least judgment possible.

I wanted to respond to this because a number of people have mentioned about the large family.

I think that was referring to his extended family not just his immediate family, parents, siblings, grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins which can make a rather large family.

I am interested in everyones theories as it makes for intriguing reading.

I hope everything works for the best in the end but from the beginning I have felt that we have not been told the entire truth. [/*]

That could be decor. I was thinking more in the lines of a large family to support. I can't imagine why he'd run away from a large extended family that he isn't support. But, you may be right. Your thoughts put a different perspective on that comment. Welcome to the board!

decor

02-29-2008, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

That could be decor. I was thinking more in the lines of a large family to support. I can't imagine why he'd run away from a large extended family that he isn't support. But, you may be right. Your thoughts put a different perspective on that comment. Welcome to the board! [/*]

I thought the detective meant that he had a lot of support because of a large family, meaning that he had a large extended family that would support hiding him if that was what he wanted.

Curiouser

02-29-2008, 12:32 AM

Nellie, would you mind telling us what this new site is that you found Christine on? Is it also a site that sells handmade items? I'd like to see what all she says.

Curiouser

02-29-2008, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by decor

I thought the detective meant that he had a lot of support because of a large family, meaning that he had a large extended family that would support hiding him if that was what he wanted. [/*]

Do you think they would hide him from his mother and sisters too. They've been on TV also asking for help looking for him. I could see helping him out but not deceiving his whole family. At least let them know he's OK.

decor

02-29-2008, 12:36 AM

no, I don't think they would hide him from his mother and sisters. I think the detective said that about his family when they were first starting to look for him.

Nellie

02-29-2008, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by Curiouser
Nellie, would you mind telling us what this new site is that you found Christine on? Is it also a site that sells handmade items? I'd like to see what all she says. [/*]

http://craftsellers.meetup.com/82/members/6419534/
This will show her profile. If you go to the forum part you will see a thread about Nicholas missing and there are the same pleas for money on them. Not as extensive as the main Etsy forum. But it's the same pleas, and personally, I believe the fund raising is sanctioned by Christina.

I'm just curious what she meant about taking a break from Etsy. I know she closed her Etsy sites, but I thought that took place AFTER Nicholas went missing. Then reading this on Feb. 11 made it look like she was already planning to close them or already had. But...I could be wrong. Just scratching my head on her comment in her introduction on this new forum. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what she meant by "taking a break".

There's really no other conversation that I found by her, but I didn't read through every thread. In the thread about Nicholas, though, you can read some things that others have passed on from Christina.

This case is just so puzzling to me.

Nellie

02-29-2008, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
what has gotten me from the start was the attempt at crying....my grandchildren can "fake" cry better than she did...not a tear, not one tear, hand over face, head down, then up, and went right back to talking, just continued her sentence....
i don't get it..... [/*]

I do agree that she seemed able to snap out of her distraught crying instantly. It was strange. I found her interview where she is describing his car to be the strangest of all of them. She almost sounded ashamed of his car....or embarrassed....

Curiouser

02-29-2008, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i wonder if that is the only car they had/have. it seems strange that a woman with 2 kids, would not have a car.... [/*]

Curiouser

02-29-2008, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i wonder if that is the only car they had/have. it seems strange that a woman with 2 kids, would not have a car.... [/*]

Curiouser

02-29-2008, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i wonder if that is the only car they had/have. it seems strange that a woman with 2 kids, would not have a car.... [/*]

Curiouser

02-29-2008, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by Curiouser
[/*]

Sorry, I don't know what happened on that last post, it went through before I said anything!!!

I'll get the other quote and be right back. Duh!!

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

http://craftsellers.meetup.com/82/members/6419534/
This will show her profile. If you go to the forum part you will see a thread about Nicholas missing and there are the same pleas for money on them. Not as extensive as the main Etsy forum. But it's the same pleas, and personally, I believe the fund raising is sanctioned by Christina.

I'm just curious what she meant about taking a break from Etsy. I know she closed her Etsy sites, but I thought that took place AFTER Nicholas went missing. Then reading this on Feb. 11 made it look like she was already planning to close them or already had. But...I could be wrong. Just scratching my head on her comment in her introduction on this new forum. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what she meant by "taking a break".

There's really no other conversation that I found by her, but I didn't read through every thread. In the thread about Nicholas, though, you can read some things that others have passed on from Christina.

This case is just so puzzling to me. [/*]

That is very odd that she would be planning to "take a break" from Etsy 2 days before her husband disappeared. Especially since she had just opened the rinnovabodyspa store about a week before, and her husband had just opened his Etsy store at the beginning of Feb. too. Curious.

decor

02-29-2008, 12:58 AM

how do you know that is the same Christine? that group is for the Seattle area.

Curiouser

02-29-2008, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i wonder if that is the only car they had/have. it seems strange that a woman with 2 kids, would not have a car.... [/*]

More bad posts than I realized! LOL Guess I'm losing it.

Anyway, there was a picture of their house posted on one of their websites (they have several websites) and it was a very nice looking ranch-style home with 2 cars in the driveway/garage. If I'm not mistaken one of them was the red Paseo that was found at Federal Way. I'll see if I can find the site and post a link.

Breazy

02-29-2008, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by onederwomyn
This is kind of off topic (or not depending on how you look at it)...but does anyone else read boards like this and think "if anyone goes missing in my life I am so screwed?" I am not sure whether Christine had anything to do with this or not and I absolutely understand the sleuthing and speculation. I do know that if it ever happens to me though, people will find all sorts of crap about me dating back to like the inception of the internet. I can guarantee you that I would not be guilty of anything, but a lot of the stuff people would find about me (or anyone really) could be twisted in such a manner to make anyone look bad.

And look...the above paragraph would probably be used against me too;)

I am not sure what my point is....just that I know I would be screwed;) [/*]

I have been thinking about this also. I'm certain I would be in the same boat. People looking in from the outside would see things differently than they really are/were. For this reason, I'm usually very careful about posting my opinion, instead choosing to lurk or just offer prayers and condolences. Occasionally I'll ask questions trying to get a feel for others perspective and opinion. I thought I'd learned my lesson with the Mary Smith case but here I've been, letting myself be pulled back in. I teeter between feeling guilty for posting a negative opinion of Christina and feeling disgusted by the thought that she's pulling the wool over people's eyes. I despise nothing worse than being made a fool of (which I have been on several occasions by so-called friends) and the possibility that she is doing that just makes me livid. It's not me she's duping if that is the case so I don't know why it bothers me so much. I hope and pray Nicholas is safe and harm hasn't come to him. That, of course, would mean that he chose to leave and if so, there's got to be a profound reason. Whatever the reason is, I sincerely don't want Christine to be the root of it. If, God forbid, something has happened to Nicholas by the hands of others, my deepest sympathy will be with Chrisine. On the other hand, if Christine is guilty of anything . . .

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 01:11 AM

Hi guys!

The only thing that's REALLY bugging me, is the way she/they are STILL asking for money, money, money. It seems to be the main objective in every forum she's on.

Now with this latest one that was just posted, there are several posts telling how you can send money.

Paypal, banks, wire ... etc. etc.

As others have said, I could see it, if it were going toward the reward ... but it's just getting to be too much.

And now ... ladies and gentlemen, for my FIRST time ............

Drum roll please ..............

MOOOOOOOOOO!!!

:lol:

homecrafter

02-29-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally posted by Nellie

http://craftsellers.meetup.com/82/members/6419534/
This will show her profile. If you go to the forum part you will see a thread about Nicholas missing and there are the same pleas for money on them. Not as extensive as the main Etsy forum. But it's the same pleas, and personally, I believe the fund raising is sanctioned by Christina.

I'm just curious what she meant about taking a break from Etsy. I know she closed her Etsy sites, but I thought that took place AFTER Nicholas went missing. Then reading this on Feb. 11 made it look like she was already planning to close them or already had. But...I could be wrong. Just scratching my head on her comment in her introduction on this new forum. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what she meant by "taking a break".

There's really no other conversation that I found by her, but I didn't read through every thread. In the thread about Nicholas, though, you can read some things that others have passed on from Christina.

This case is just so puzzling to me. [/*]
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I don't think that's Christine Francisco's profile. She already has her profile on there as Bella Style Designs and has been a member of Etsy RAIN for quite awhile.

http://craftsellers.meetup.com/82/members/4803361/

THere are many Etsy groups called Street Teams that are based on locale, interests, craft style, etc. THe Etsy RAIN team is the Seattle Street Team. Sellers get together to promote Etsy, show at craft shows, and all that.

HarlettOhara

02-29-2008, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by Curiouser

More bad posts than I realized! LOL Guess I'm losing it.

Anyway, there was a picture of their house posted on one of their websites (they have several websites) and it was a very nice looking ranch-style home with 2 cars in the driveway/garage. If I'm not mistaken one of them was the red Paseo that was found at Federal Way. I'll see if I can find the site and post a link. [/*]

Here are photos of house and vehicles

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2562

Nellie

02-29-2008, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by decor
how do you know that is the same Christine? that group is for the Seattle area. [/*]

I found it on her myspace...so I know she's a member. It's the only Christine I saw in the member area.

Nellie

02-29-2008, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by homecrafter
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Originally posted by Nellie

http://craftsellers.meetup.com/82/members/6419534/
This will show her profile. If you go to the forum part you will see a thread about Nicholas missing and there are the same pleas for money on them. Not as extensive as the main Etsy forum. But it's the same pleas, and personally, I believe the fund raising is sanctioned by Christina.

I'm just curious what she meant about taking a break from Etsy. I know she closed her Etsy sites, but I thought that took place AFTER Nicholas went missing. Then reading this on Feb. 11 made it look like she was already planning to close them or already had. But...I could be wrong. Just scratching my head on her comment in her introduction on this new forum. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what she meant by "taking a break".

There's really no other conversation that I found by her, but I didn't read through every thread. In the thread about Nicholas, though, you can read some things that others have passed on from Christina.

This case is just so puzzling to me. [/*]
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I don't think that's Christine Francisco's profile. She already has her profile on there as Bella Style Designs and has been a member of Etsy RAIN for quite awhile.

http://craftsellers.meetup.com/82/members/4803361/

THere are many Etsy groups called Street Teams that are based on locale, interests, craft style, etc. THe Etsy RAIN team is the Seattle Street Team. Sellers get together to promote Etsy, show at craft shows, and all that. [/*]

Let me go look again....I sincerely apologize if I got it wrong.
I must have missed the Bella profile.

Nellie

02-29-2008, 01:29 AM

Ok, I apologize to everyone. That may not be here on that forum and now I feel cruddy for thinking it was. It left me puzzled, so now I can be un-puzzled. Sorry guys.

homecrafter

02-29-2008, 01:30 AM

No worries Nellie!

Curiouser

02-29-2008, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by Nellie
Ok, I apologize to everyone. That may not be here on that forum and now I feel cruddy for thinking it was. It left me puzzled, so now I can be un-puzzled. Sorry guys. [/*]

Nellie, you silly girl!!! LOL

homecrafter

02-29-2008, 01:54 AM

Some of us had posted that we hadn't noticed any outpouring of 'Thank yous' from Christine. I just found this (posted below). Apparently it was posted on one of the Etsy threads, but I missed it (there were several hundred pages of 10 different threads there...so I can see how we missed it.
It had to have been posted on the 19th or before.

----------From Christine-----------
I want to specifically express my thanks to all from etsy that went search tonight for my beloved husband. I would like to meet all of you at some point when i can hold it all together. at this point i would just breakdown again and again and well it would make it even more real to me. as each day goes on this gets more real and harder to bare. Please don't give up hope and if you are able to search again please do so. I love you all so much and I need each of you more than you know.

Now to specifically thank all of you around the nation and the globe. It is a great comfort to read your posts and know that you are all here and praying. I love the internet more now than ever. please please don't let the threads die as they are a great comfort. I love the map! It is a great visual to see all of you.

I love the candles. thank you so much for lighting a candle for my love.

Listen to the song "love of my life" by stephen curtis chapman. that was/is our song. every word of it to this day.

thank you too for the financial support. it truly is desperately needed. it seems my sweet husband was shielding me from some of our debt and i didn't realize it until thursday when i accessed his paypal account.

the kids are not sleeping. Noah cried all night last night and zea tossed and turned and had bad dreams. we are sleeping together in their room on the floor on an air mattress. I am not sleeping really and i still am not able to eat. i haven't had a meal since wednesday afternoon. please know that i am trying to and my unborn baby is okay. i have been looked at by a midwife recently and she says as long as i stay hydrated we will both be fine for now.

it is amazing to feel all of this love from etsy members. you really have no idea what a blessing each and every one of you are to me and my family.
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I found it on this thread:
http://www.pinchingyourpennies.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84999&page=1&pp=10
Page 3

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soyesterday

02-29-2008, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by homecrafter
Some of us had posted that we hadn't noticed any outpouring of 'Thank yous' from Christine. I just found this (posted below). Apparently it was posted on one of the Etsy threads, but I missed it (there were several hundred pages of 10 different threads there...so I can see how we missed it.
It had to have been posted on the 19th or before.

----------From Christine-----------
I want to specifically express my thanks to all from etsy that went search tonight for my beloved husband. I would like to meet all of you at some point when i can hold it all together. at this point i would just breakdown again and again and well it would make it even more real to me. as each day goes on this gets more real and harder to bare. Please don't give up hope and if you are able to search again please do so. I love you all so much and I need each of you more than you know.

Now to specifically thank all of you around the nation and the globe. It is a great comfort to read your posts and know that you are all here and praying. I love the internet more now than ever. please please don't let the threads die as they are a great comfort. I love the map! It is a great visual to see all of you.

I love the candles. thank you so much for lighting a candle for my love.

Listen to the song "love of my life" by stephen curtis chapman. that was/is our song. every word of it to this day.

thank you too for the financial support. it truly is desperately needed. it seems my sweet husband was shielding me from some of our debt and i didn't realize it until thursday when i accessed his paypal account.

the kids are not sleeping. Noah cried all night last night and zea tossed and turned and had bad dreams. we are sleeping together in their room on the floor on an air mattress. I am not sleeping really and i still am not able to eat. i haven't had a meal since wednesday afternoon. please know that i am trying to and my unborn baby is okay. i have been looked at by a midwife recently and she says as long as i stay hydrated we will both be fine for now.

it is amazing to feel all of this love from etsy members. you really have no idea what a blessing each and every one of you are to me and my family.
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I found it on this thread:
http://www.pinchingyourpennies.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84999&page=1&pp=10
Page 3

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I really can't even begin to imagine what this is like..........and i pray so hard that i never have to know........
if Christine is in the clear about Nick's disapearance and everything she is saying is true.........
it's just so incredibly heartbreaking........
Nicholas......if you ARE out there and are ok.....please, please, please, at least for the sake of your kids....please come home.
If you're not able to and you are gone from this world, then may you rest in peace in God's loving arms....and may your family be comforted........

This case is just really really starting to get to me........
i hope there will be some answers soon.......

God please watch over Nicholas' family and please bring him home to them soon.....

Kamiron

02-29-2008, 02:32 AM

There family is so cute.

http://www.thefranciscos.com

I can't see him leaving them. I really think that he met with foul play.

Nellie

02-29-2008, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by Kamiron
There family is so cute.

http://www.thefranciscos.com

I can't see him leaving them. I really think that he met with foul play. [/*]
I know what you mean. But, leaving is better than what this man did to his family. You just can never tell by photos....they can be very deceiving! Take a look for yourself at this lovely family! As lovely as they all look, he is charged with killing them both.

http://z.about.com/d/crime/1/0/1/F/entwistle.jpg

I truly hope Nicholas has just had some kind of breakdown and taken off. That can be "fixed".

Nellie

02-29-2008, 02:49 AM

I must admit, though, that get more worried about him with each passing day. But then I remind myself that it tooks months for them to track down Beth Smith. But then I remember they had "clues/signs/" from the family that she may have just taken off. We don't have that in this case, but I'm not sure if everything has been told correctly in this case. The financial part was glossed over on Greta and is a definate red flag for a man leaving....but yet then it is all over the place that they are broke. Not only broke, but in desperate need. It can't be both. The police need to know everything, even if it hurts to admit.

Breazy

02-29-2008, 03:27 AM

OK -- caught up on the thread for the night and will at least start the a.m. fairly current. Just wanted to say before signing off . . .

:rose: Praying for answers . . . for Christine . . . for the children . . . for family and friends . . . and for us.

:rose: Praying for Nicholas to be safe but if not, that he is found and brought home.

Danette44

02-29-2008, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Hi guys!

The only thing that's REALLY bugging me, is the way she/they are STILL asking for money, money, money. It seems to be the main objective in every forum she's on.

Now with this latest one that was just posted, there are several posts telling how you can send money.

Paypal, banks, wire ... etc. etc.

As others have said, I could see it, if it were going toward the reward ... but it's just getting to be too much.

And now ... ladies and gentlemen, for my FIRST time ............

Drum roll please ..............

MOOOOOOOOOO!!!

:lol: [/*]

Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

I agree with you here - what really bothers me is the fact that she went on Greta and Nancy told her story and BAM neither of them are doing any follow ups on this case. Thats not normal for Nancy or Greta! If it's true what Christine said about Nancy Grace looking like she wanted to cry because of her husband being missing - Nancy would be all over this case! jmoo

Danette44

02-29-2008, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by Nellie
I must admit, though, that get more worried about him with each passing day. But then I remind myself that it tooks months for them to track down Beth Smith. But then I remember they had "clues/signs/" from the family that she may have just taken off. We don't have that in this case, but I'm not sure if everything has been told correctly in this case. The financial part was glossed over on Greta and is a definate red flag for a man leaving....but yet then it is all over the place that they are broke. Not only broke, but in desperate need. It can't be both. The police need to know everything, even if it hurts to admit. [/*]

I have been on these boards since the Michael Peterson case, even thou my post don't loook like it, lost my name and post during the Trenton Duckett case for some reason. What gets me with her "Thank You", letter is.........why does she always have to throw in the past tense........Listen to the song "love of my life" by stephen curtis chapman. that was/is our song. every word of it to this day.

"That was/is our song?????? Little things like that make me go hmmmmm And she has a midwife??? This is getting stranger by the minute!

shelkobe

02-29-2008, 06:58 AM

On that Craftsellers link posted upthread, I see someone brought over a post from Etsy that included this line, which is a variation on the line we're all familiar with:

They also need money--EXTREME NEED

And the second and third page of that thread is practically all about where and how to donate. http://craftsellers.meetup.com/82/boards/thread/4227674/10/

I would be so embarassed if people were doing that on my behalf because of credit card problems. Christine obviously sanctions this because on Etsy's Etc. board, she posts in the very threads that talk about her desperately needing money.

I understand when tragedy hits, people want to reach out and help when they can, but in this case people are being asked to pull a family out of debt that they got into before the crisis hit.

My distaste for this has nothing to do with my concern about Nicholas. I am really torn as to what I believe is more likely, stress/mental health crisis or foul play.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 07:29 AM

Morning Everyone...

IMO due to all the cries for money, Christine has alienated people. I wonder how they would have pulled out of their desperate financial situation had Nicholas come home that night. It would have still been there, right? I'm assuming she was thinking of not having his paycheck, but at that point who knew if/when he would be back. If this money was going for a reward and that reward money was up to $25,000 or $50,000 I would be applauding her efforts. Money talks and someone somewhere knows what happened to Nicholas.

I found it very odd that a man who checks in even if he is going to be 15 minutes late (C's words) has a cell phone problem on the very night he goes missing. However, Elizabeth Smart disappeared on the one night Ed Smart forgot to set the alarm. So I go back and forth with that one in my mind.

As to the other missing man, I would like to know if he has a history of walking off, disappearing, multiple jobs and is just not dependable. If we find out he was Johnny on the spot at his job, then this really needs to be investigated thoroughly by LE.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 07:39 AM

I just went back and looked at the map that HarlettOHara posted on the logistics of where Nicholas worked, Nicholas lived, Fale lived, where the car was found, etc. Does anyone know what area the lumber yard is in that Fale worked at? Is it close to any of those pin points?

shelkobe

02-29-2008, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
*snip*

IMO due to all the cries for money, Christine has alienated people. I wonder how they would have pulled out of their desperate financial situation had Nicholas come home that night. It would have still been there, right? I'm assuming she was thinking of not having his paycheck, but at that point who knew if/when he would be back. If this money was going for a reward and that reward money was up to $25,000 or $50,000 I would be applauding her efforts. Money talks and someone somewhere knows what happened to Nicholas.

I found it very odd that a man who checks in even if he is going to be 15 minutes late (C's words) has a cell phone problem on the very night he goes missing. However, Elizabeth Smart disappeared on the one night Ed Smart forgot to set the alarm. So I go back and forth with that one in my mind.
*snip*

Speaking of alienation, the comments of some of the Etsy sellers has annoyed me incredibly. I have purchased a few things from there in the past, and I have avoided most of the threads over in Etsy's forum because I will be turned off if I see any of the sellers I've favorited posting snippy comments. I don't think some of those people have any idea the bad taste they are leaving in people's mouths.

You know Rainy, I too find it quite a coincidence that Nicholas's phone stopped working the very night he went missing. But like you, I can think of several other cases where similar things occured and it was just a case of bad timing, with nothing sinister behind it. It could go either way, really.

But with his company doing work for the cell phone company, I would think that they could have gotten a very nice deal on their business phones through T Mobile (is that who it was?). I also think that even if Nicholas didn't have a charger at the office, another coworker would have had one that could accommodate his phone, since they were all on the same business plan and likely had similar models.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by shelkobe

(snip)
But with his company doing work for the cell phone company, I would think that they could have gotten a very nice deal on their business phones through T Mobile (is that who it was?). I also think that even if Nicholas didn't have a charger at the office, another coworker would have had one that could accommodate his phone, since they were all on the same business plan and likely had similar models. [/*]

Exactly. Usually there are extra chargers in storage at work for people who lose or abuse them. I used to be in charge of cell phones at the place I worked so this really bugs me LOL.

desmom

02-29-2008, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by Danette44

I have been on these boards since the Michael Peterson case, even thou my post don't loook like it, lost my name and post during the Trenton Duckett case for some reason. What gets me with her "Thank You", letter is.........why does she always have to throw in the past tense........Listen to the song "love of my life" by stephen curtis chapman. that was/is our song. every word of it to this day.

"That was/is our song?????? Little things like that make me go hmmmmm And she has a midwife??? This is getting stranger by the minute! [/*]

Good Morning All! Hi Danette44! Nice to see ya! :seeya:

I have been around since Cody Posey's trial. I lurked after Cody's trial, but Trenton Duckett brought me out of hiding.

Danette I noticed the past tense also in the thank you letter. She has used the past tense a couple of times. When someone pasts, I find family and friends talk about them in present tense and it takes some time for them to adjust to past tense.

IMO, Christine's little slips says she knows more than what she has shared with the media.

I think she shares a little too much personal info. Everyone knows this would be an extremely difficult time, but her posts about Our Song, Noah cried all night, Zea had bad dreams, I haven't eaten since Wed, As long as I stay hydrated are ploys for sympathy.

jmo

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 09:42 AM

I'm wondering if she had a midwife for her first two births or is this something new? Do midwives start helping out this early in a pregnancy?

huskiki

02-29-2008, 09:47 AM

Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

Rainy, I just sent you a PM.

n/t

02-29-2008, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by desmom

Good Morning All! Hi Danette44! Nice to see ya! :seeya:

I have been around since Cody Posey's trial. I lurked after Cody's trial, but Trenton Duckett brought me out of hiding.

Danette I noticed the past tense also in the thank you letter. She has used the past tense a couple of times. When someone pasts, I find family and friends talk about them in present tense and it takes some time for them to adjust to past tense.

IMO, Christine's little slips says she knows more than what she has shared with the media.

I think she shares a little too much personal info. Everyone knows this would be an extremely difficult time, but her posts about Our Song, Noah cried all night, Zea had bad dreams, I haven't eaten since Wed, As long as I stay hydrated are ploys for sympathy.

jmo [/*]

I found the use of past tense in a written letter quite odd also. I could understand if it was in an interview and sometimes under stress, someone could use it and then correct themselves but in a written document??

n/t

02-29-2008, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I'm wondering if she had a midwife for her first two births or is this something new? Do midwives start helping out this early in a pregnancy? [/*]

Yes, I believe they assist in prenatal care.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by n/t

I found the use of past tense in a written letter quite odd also. I could understand if it was in an interview and sometimes under stress, someone could use it and then correct themselves but in a written document?? [/*]

She said she suspected foul play immediately. I wonder why - does she know something we don't? Were they in some type of financial trouble to the point of being harmed? Just throwing out some food for thought.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by n/t

Yes, I believe they assist in prenatal care. [/*]

Thanks n/t - learn something new everyday around here :)

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 10:05 AM

Good Morning! :)

Uhmmmmmmm would somebody send me a PM? I feel left out. :(

Seriously though, would somebody pm me with stuff you might not want to say here?

I have some thoughts too, but would rather not share them here.

Thanks.

n/t

02-29-2008, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

She said she suspected foul play immediately. I wonder why - does she know something we don't? Were they in some type of financial trouble to the point of being harmed? Just throwing out some food for thought. [/*]

Could be.

n/t

02-29-2008, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Good Morning! :)

Uhmmmmmmm would somebody send me a PM? I feel left out. :(

Seriously though, would somebody pm me with stuff you might not want to say here?

I have some thoughts too, but would rather not share them here.

Thanks. [/*]

why do you feel left out? Different opinions and thoughts are being posted. We're all speculating based on the information put out there by the media, Christine herself, etc.

Nobody knows for sure.

starling

02-29-2008, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by soyesterday

I really can't even begin to imagine what this is like..........and i pray so hard that i never have to know........
if Christine is in the clear about Nick's disapearance and everything she is saying is true.........
it's just so incredibly heartbreaking........
Nicholas......if you ARE out there and are ok.....please, please, please, at least for the sake of your kids....please come home.
If you're not able to and you are gone from this world, then may you rest in peace in God's loving arms....and may your family be comforted........

This case is just really really starting to get to me........
i hope there will be some answers soon.......

God please watch over Nicholas' family and please bring him home to them soon..... [/*]

:rose:

desmom

02-29-2008, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Good Morning! :)

Uhmmmmmmm would somebody send me a PM? I feel left out. :(

Seriously though, would somebody pm me with stuff you might not want to say here?

I have some thoughts too, but would rather not share them here.

Thanks. [/*]

Don't be afraid to post. I think you will find the insession boards are very open to others opinions and ideas.

starling

02-29-2008, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by Kamiron
There family is so cute.

http://www.thefranciscos.com

I can't see him leaving them. I really think that he met with foul play. [/*]

That man SMILES so big in EVERY picture!
:rose:

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by starling

That man SMILES so big in EVERY picture!
:rose: [/*]

I know - looking at his pictures with his kids breaks my heart.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 10:58 AM

Okay - as preposterous as this sounds I'll state it. If someone goes missing and there is an immediate desperate plea for money, your first thought is kidnapping. Then you look at them - wholesome American couple working multiple jobs and you think no - they don't have any money for somebody to make money off of them. Then the next scenario could be that they got in financial trouble and needed the money to pay off loan sharks. Maybe the money hasn't been for Christine at all - but for someone else.

Sunday Moon

02-29-2008, 11:00 AM

They are such a STRIKING family. They are all really beautiful.

However, as we allllllll know....appearances can be deceiving. Nothing or nobody is perfect. I recall looking at pics of Laci and Scott Peterson, Stephen and Tara Grant, Neil and Rachel Entwistle, they seemed perfect and were beautiful as well. NOT saying this is even remotely similar to those cases but you have to look beyond the pretty to see reality.

I am starting to really think Nicholas was in some financial trouble and maybe borrowed from someone and can't pay it back and was threatened? Or maybe his family was threatened and he wants to distance himself for that threat. Could Christine have an idea about that and is trying to raise money to bail him out? I don't know...could be farfetched but just a thought. It does seem that he really loves his family so maybe he was afraid that this predicament put them in danger. Just throwing that out there!

Sunday Moon

02-29-2008, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Okay - as preposterous as this sounds I'll state it. If someone goes missing and there is an immediate desperate plea for money, your first thought is kidnapping. Then you look at them - wholesome American couple working multiple jobs and you think no - they don't have any money for somebody to make money off of them. Then the next scenario could be that they got in financial trouble and needed the money to pay off loan sharks. Maybe the money hasn't been for Christine at all - but for someone else. [/*]

Oh my gosh....we posted similar ideas at the same time!!!!! Maybe I am not so far off my rocker!! :D

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 11:13 AM

My reason for even being hesitant to post in here is, I believe there are Etsy members coming here, reading ... and reporting back over there.

But of course, I've been losing interest in Etsy for awhile now, so I'm swaying between caring what they think and not caring.

That's why I still don't feel so comfortable here.

Sad, but true.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Sunday Moon

Oh my gosh....we posted similar ideas at the same time!!!!! Maybe I am not so far off my rocker!! :D [/*]

Okay we'll be off our rocker together :)

desmom

02-29-2008, 11:16 AM

Loan Shark...hmmm....maybe..could be. Would they know how to contact a loan shark?

What if their financial situation is because they use or used pay day loan shops?

When I worked at the bank, I was amazed at the number of people that used those pay day loan shops and they are not cheap. Customers* would harp their account was overdrawn and they had just got paid. They did not subtract from their register the fees charged by the pay day loan shops. Their pay check was gone because it had been eaten up by the fees. It was a vicious cycle.

More information about pay day loan shops:

http://www.creditinfocenter.com/loans/payday-loans.shtml

*Quite often the customer complaining was not aware their spouse had been using the pay day loans. :eek:

soyesterday

02-29-2008, 11:21 AM

Nellie

02-29-2008, 11:21 AM

I've been doing some thinking about this money plea.
I think it's the thing that bothered most of us.
Some think we're cold not to want to help this poor wife.
But, how would they have thought if...

*Scott Peterson had appealed for money desperately within days of Laci's dissappearance, saying they had debt and were broke?

*What if Jessica Lunsford's dad had done that? What if days after Jessica went missing that he had a brother out there telling everyone that Mark needed money desperately for debt and he was broke?

*What about Drew Peterson? He has children to raise, just as
Christine does. What if he had appealed for money within days of his wife dissapparing because of debt and being broke?

*Or Steve Grant...he had children.

See, that's the problem. The appeals for money are really a seperate issue from him dissappearing. To some of us, it appears to be an appeal to help get her bills under control and I guess doesn't sit well to use a missing husband for that cause. It doesn't mean she has had anything to do with his dissappearance, but it does mean to me that she is willing to exploit the situation for funds.

soyesterday

02-29-2008, 11:22 AM

Has anyone heard back from the other missing man's wife yet?

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 11:26 AM

I have 2 sons that live in the Seattle area.

A few years ago, BOTH of them got caught up in the 'Pay Day Loan' thing. They got way in over their heads ... and it took awhile to get out.

They learned their lesson though! They never used them again after that, but they tell me that loads of their friends use them too ... it's big out there.

My sons are 32 and 27.

Actually, at this point ... I'm starting to worry about THEM, just because they live there.

Nellie

02-29-2008, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by babygraceful
Hi everyone, I have been reading since the beginning of this case & been itching to join in.
Seems like this one is bringing a lot of us out of lurk mode!
Anyway, the boards ate my old profile so had to start a new one – finally made it back. [/*]

Welcome baby! So, what are your thoughts about all of this?

AngS

02-29-2008, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by cog1

Rainy, I read that earlier when someone directed us to the last 3 posts. I really don't understand why the Editor would be upset by people commenting. The editor is saying that if you are local you may post? Thats just plain rude! IMO [/*]

Oh my goodness, that does sound VERY rude!!!

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 11:41 AM

gino1234

02-29-2008, 11:46 AM

Has any one else in the family come forward to speak out to Nicholas? Why is it just Chirstine?

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 11:56 AM

If someone can pull up Nicholas' best friends' blog and look under the comment section (there is 1 comment) on the subject of trying to track his IP address, it is an interesting comment. I'm at work and can't find that blog right now or I would copy over here. Babygraceful made me think of it.

Jpanda

02-29-2008, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
If someone can pull up Nicholas' best friends' blog and look under the comment section (there is 1 comment) on the subject of trying to track his IP address, it is an interesting comment. I'm at work and can't find that blog right now or I would copy over here. Babygraceful made me think of it. [/*]

I would love to, but I'm at work... Stupid work!! Do you remember what it said?

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Jpanda

I would love to, but I'm at work... Stupid work!! Do you remember what it said? [/*]

something to the effect that not being able to track his computer was not necessarily true - then some other tecky stuff LOL (why can't these people here at work see I'm working on a case hammer )

decor

02-29-2008, 12:04 PM

this one?

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by decor
this one?

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/ [/*]

Yes! thank you...here is the comment...

There might be a way to track his laptop with the MAC address. I believe this information would be listed on the box or any literature that came with the laptop.

Also, is there anyway to "ping" the laptop?

Otherwise, the serial # number should be submitted ASAP to Apple and the Police in case anyone attempts to sell it. Check pawn shops, eBay (for like laptops in the Seattle area) and Craigslist.

Baby - can you ask your husband about the IP address tracking, etc.

AngS

02-29-2008, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner
What did LE mean when saying, "He had one heck of a big family!" Huh? Since when is two kids a big family? [/*]

My thoughts, exactly! A little perspective...my hubby and I are high school sweethearts, together since we were 16, married at age 18, and will celebrate our 15 year anniversary this year. We started our family at age 21, now have 4 kids, I am 3 months pregnant with #5, which will be our last. We WANTED a big family. Sometimes I get the feeling that people like to pin kids on the wife, as if it's her fault for popping the kids out and sacking the husband with "SO MUCH RESPONSIBILITY!!!" We planned our family TOGETHER! My grandfaher was one of of 13 kids, my grandmother one of 12, my mom 1 of 6, my dad 1 of 5, my mother-in-law 1 of 9. The truth is, families used to be MUCH larger than what is typical today. Mothers commonly stayed home while the men supported their families. Men were men and knew it was their responsibility, they were proud to do it! So why do we have these attitudes today that if a wife gets pregnant too many times,
she'll either end up like Laci Peterson or her husband will leave her because he is SOOO stressed out? What's the matter with people? 3 kids is NOT that big of a deal, and certainly not a viable motive for a man to leave his family high and dry.

So, as you can see, I'm a little passionate about this issue. Thanks for letting me rant!

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by babygraceful

Ahhh!!!
I am going to ask my husband that question! [/*]

LOL I just edited my post asking you to do that.

Sunday Moon

02-29-2008, 12:23 PM

AngS,

I understand where you are coming from and I agree with you that it shouldn't be the case but sadly, it is. There are many men(and I am sure a lot we don't hear about) who either kill their pregnant wives or abandon them and their families when they don't want kids. It happens. It's cowardly and terrible but it happens. No one knows if this is the case here, just speculation. I don't think anyone is "blaming" Christine for being pregnant, we are just trying to understand Nicholas' possible mindset and a reason he might have fled. He had 2 little kids, they had money problems. He just heard they were having number 3 and he freaked. Are we sure that happened? No. Is it possible? YES! I would rather the family being abandoned than killed and I would rather Nicholas left on his own than met with foul play. We don't know if the third child was planned and he might have freaked out. Is it the responsible thing to do? No, but it's a definite possibility and one that's preferable to him being dead or kidnapped.

n/t

02-29-2008, 12:31 PM

Re the comment of a big family. Could it be that they meant his extended family. Brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces and not necessarily his wife and 2 children?

Did Nicholas have siblings? Sorry if this was already asked and answered. I started following this case only a week or so ago.

TIA

field of snow

02-29-2008, 12:32 PM

AngS --

I totally read that comment by the LE as "He had a big extended family" (cousins, aunts, uncles, etc.) And that he could have turned to any of them to help him hide for awhile to escape his financial problems.

Have we seen/heard about his dad yet? Are his parents together or divorced? Maybe there is a large part of his family that is estranged from the other, except for him.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by gino1234
Has any one else in the family come forward to speak out to Nicholas? Why is it just Chirstine? [/*]

Do you mean like a plea to come home or call home? All I've seen her do is talk to the newscasters and not address him directly as in a "if you can hear or see me" type of thing.

MystryPhobia

02-29-2008, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

Rainy, I just sent you a PM. [/*]

Hey Huskiki.. did you get a reply from Stephanie.

She replied to me so I am wondering if she replied to anyone else.

Breazy

02-29-2008, 01:01 PM

Breazy

02-29-2008, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Okay - as preposterous as this sounds I'll state it. If someone goes missing and there is an immediate desperate plea for money, your first thought is kidnapping. Then you look at them - wholesome American couple working multiple jobs and you think no - they don't have any money for somebody to make money off of them. Then the next scenario could be that they got in financial trouble and needed the money to pay off loan sharks. Maybe the money hasn't been for Christine at all - but for someone else. [/*]

You may be on to something. I know earlier, some posters had found the online poker thing, any new info on that?

Breazy

02-29-2008, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
My reason for even being hesitant to post in here is, I believe there are Etsy members coming here, reading ... and reporting back over there.

But of course, I've been losing interest in Etsy for awhile now, so I'm swaying between caring what they think and not caring.

That's why I still don't feel so comfortable here.

Sad, but true. [/*]

If you send PMs, please include me.

AngS

02-29-2008, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
AngS,

I understand where you are coming from and I agree with you that it shouldn't be the case but sadly, it is. There are many men(and I am sure a lot we don't hear about) who either kill their pregnant wives or abandon them and their families when they don't want kids. It happens. It's cowardly and terrible but it happens. No one knows if this is the case here, just speculation. I don't think anyone is "blaming" Christine for being pregnant, we are just trying to understand Nicholas' possible mindset and a reason he might have fled. He had 2 little kids, they had money problems. He just heard they were having number 3 and he freaked. Are we sure that happened? No. Is it possible? YES! I would rather the family being abandoned than killed and I would rather Nicholas left on his own than met with foul play. We don't know if the third child was planned and he might have freaked out. Is it the responsible thing to do? No, but it's a definite possibility and one that's preferable to him being dead or kidnapped. [/*]

This seems to be a relatively new epidemic, though. Why have attitudes about big families changed so dramaticaly in our society? Why have ideas of men as providers, and women as keepers at home changed so much? If I went missing today, the first thing the police would jump on is the number of kids my husband had to support. If he went missing, they would say the same thing! One post on here stated that the Francisco's church encouraged having lots of children, and that she may have gotten pregnant without his knowledge, which would imply that it was her fault for putting more responsibilty on him. Why do men hate responsibility today? Why do so many people act as though getting pregnant is something women "do" to men?

Having a large family is just normal to us. I can't imagine what has happened to create a society where it is commonplace to kill someone (or run away) because you don't want one. And instead of outrage, the police and defense attorneys argue "Well, he sure had a lot of mouths to feed, and she just kept popping them out. After all, a man can only take so much!" Those attitudes only seek to justify and perpetuate the madness.

I LOVE MY HUBBY AND MY KIDDOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Hey Huskiki.. did you get a reply from Stephanie.

She replied to me so I am wondering if she replied to anyone else. [/*]

I don't have MySpace so couldn't contact her myself (you're talking about Stephanie, the wife of the missing Viliamu Fale, right?) -- would be very interested in what she had to say. If you can't post here and would be willing to PM me, I'd appreciate it. Their disappearance at almost the same time and from so close geographically makes it quite a curious coincidence.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 01:23 PM

ThruTheTrees...if you have time can you glance at this? I don't know anything about the area, so are there cameras along Nicholas' route home?

http://www.seattle.gov/trafficcams/links.htm

MystryPhobia

02-29-2008, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I don't have MySpace so couldn't contact her myself (you're talking about Stephanie, the wife of the missing Viliamu Fale, right?) -- would be very interested in what she had to say. If you can't post here and would be willing to PM me, I'd appreciate it. Their disappearance at almost the same time and from so close geographically makes it quite a curious coincidence. [/*]

I will send it to you privately but she does say that her husband's disappearance is basically a private family matter at this time. She doesn't know Nicholas and she does not believe that her husband did either.

I will PM you.

MystryPhobia

02-29-2008, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
ThruTheTrees...if you have time can you glance at this? I don't know anything about the area, so are there cameras along Nicholas' route home?

http://www.seattle.gov/trafficcams/links.htm [/*]

There are camera's all up and down I-5.. which is his route home.

I asked about this earlier.. do they save those or are they even taped or just live. I know for a FACT that there must be a way to save them because the news will sometimes replay an accident that happened in the am on the nightly news. BUT.. I am not sure if the news agency save them or if they get them for the DOL.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 01:28 PM

MystryPhobia

02-29-2008, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Just glancing at it, it looks like there are a lot of cameras on those highways. [/*]

yeah.. there is lots. At 6.. right now.. it is dark though or close to it.. not sure how much you would see.

There are cameras on Queen Anne and towards the freeway... some of the on ramps even have one. I think the Mercer Street one does... not sure which route he takes tho.

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

There are camera's all up and down I-5.. which is his route home.

I asked about this earlier.. do they save those or are they even taped or just live. I know for a FACT that there must be a way to save them because the news will sometimes replay an accident that happened in the am on the nightly news. BUT.. I am not sure if the news agency save them or if they get them for the DOL. [/*]

I have wondered about this too. Theoretically it seems those cameras would be useful to identify the cars in traffic, but maybe on a practical basis they really don't have that level of detail.

I also wonder if it's been said for sure that I-5 is the route he usually takes? There is an alternate route via the Alaskan Way Viaduct/Hwy 99 and then Hwy 509 that also goes south and is the "back way" I take when going to the airport if I-5 has heavy traffic.

Someone asked yesterday about whether he could have gone to Canada. Unless he used false identification, I'm pretty sure there would be a record of him crossing the border, even if he was with someone else. Well unless he was hidden in a vehicle. Every time I go into Canada now, they take id from everyone in the car and go to a computer and type things in -- could be checking for warrants/records and not actually "recording" everyone who crosses the border, but either way it seems that would be a record of some sort.

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 01:39 PM

How important to this case, do you think the 'dead' cell phone is?

That's been bugging me.

My husband and I have one, he has a car charger, and bluetooth, to talk to me from the van at anytime.

If his phone is dying down during the work day, he'll charge it on his lunch hour or break .. if he forgets, he plugs it in, as soon as he leaves work.

Why didn't Nick do this?

Why didn't he call her, if he was going to be late ... even a little late? If his daughter is waiting for him, and he's caught in traffic, or at the store ... you would think he would have called, if not from the cell, then from a pay phone.

The fact that he didn't even try to contact her at all ... seems to me, to mean that he couldn't or didn't want to.

Either something happened pretty early on, or he wanted to get away.

Thoughts?

MystryPhobia

02-29-2008, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I have wondered about this too. Theoretically it seems those cameras would be useful to identify the cars in traffic, but maybe on a practical basis they really don't have that level of detail.

I also wonder if it's been said for sure that I-5 is the route he usually takes? There is an alternate route via the Alaskan Way Viaduct/Hwy 99 and then Hwy 509 that also goes south and is the "back way" I take when going to the airport if I-5 has heavy traffic.

Someone asked yesterday about whether he could have gone to Canada. Unless he used false identification, I'm pretty sure there would be a record of him crossing the border, even if he was with someone else. Well unless he was hidden in a vehicle. Every time I go into Canada now, they take id from everyone in the car and go to a computer and type things in -- could be checking for warrants/records and not actually "recording" everyone who crosses the border, but either way it seems that would be a record of some sort. [/*]

You have to have a passport to go in to Canada now.. don't you? Not sure when that was going to take effect but I think it started Jan. or Feb. of this year. Unless you have one of those new drivers licenses... either way... yeah.. they would be able to tell if he went to Canada.

I have never taken that back way.. which is possible. Just doesn't seem to make sense that night since he then would have had to go back over to the I-5/I-405 interchange to get to Costco.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
How important to this case, do you think the 'dead' cell phone is?

That's been bugging me.

My husband and I have one, he has a car charger, and bluetooth, to talk to me from the van at anytime.

If his phone is dying down during the work day, he'll charge it on his lunch hour or break .. if he forgets, he plugs it in, as soon as he leaves work.

Why didn't Nick do this?

Why didn't he call her, if he was going to be late ... even a little late? If his daughter is waiting for him, and he's caught in traffic, or at the store ... you would think he would have called, if not from the cell, then from a pay phone.

The fact that he didn't even try to contact her at all ... seems to me, to mean that he couldn't or didn't want to.

Either something happened pretty early on, or he wanted to get away.

Thoughts? [/*]

The cell phone thing has bugged me from day one. Usually businessmen have the cell phone in a case clipped to their belt. If he had a case and clip, I wonder if those are missing along with the cell phone.

Nellie

02-29-2008, 01:49 PM

http://www.franciscodesign.com/design/
Created these labels and spice jars as a christmas gift for my wife.

Sounds like a sweet guy to me. I love it when someone puts their heart into a gift.

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

You have to have a passport to go in to Canada now.. don't you? Not sure when that was going to take effect but I think it started Jan. or Feb. of this year. Unless you have one of those new drivers licenses... either way... yeah.. they would be able to tell if he went to Canada.

I have never taken that back way.. which is possible. Just doesn't seem to make sense that night since he then would have had to go back over to the I-5/I-405 interchange to get to Costco. [/*]

Yes, if he was definitely going to that Costco, then the back route wouldn't make sense. There is a Costco downtown too though. (I'm still with the "why go to Costco if all you're getting is sugar" thinkers though!)

To go into Canada by car, boat, or train, just a birth certificate and photo id are what is required now. By air, they do require a passport. I think it is June or July of 2009 when the passport will be required for all entry, but that date has been pushed back several times already and I wouldn't be surprised if they hold off until after the Winter Olympics in Feb (?) 2010.

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 01:51 PM

Have to take a quick break to make some soap ... be back in a bit. :)

desmom

02-29-2008, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by AngS

This seems to be a relatively new epidemic, though. Why have attitudes about big families changed so dramaticaly in our society? Why have ideas of men as providers, and women as keepers at home changed so much? If I went missing today, the first thing the police would jump on is the number of kids my husband had to support. If he went missing, they would say the same thing! One post on here stated that the Francisco's church encouraged having lots of children, and that she may have gotten pregnant without his knowledge, which would imply that it was her fault for putting more responsibilty on him. Why do men hate responsibility today? Why do so many people act as though getting pregnant is something women "do" to men?

Having a large family is just normal to us. I can't imagine what has happened to create a society where it is commonplace to kill someone (or run away) because you don't want one. And instead of outrage, the police and defense attorneys argue "Well, he sure had a lot of mouths to feed, and she just kept popping them out. After all, a man can only take so much!" Those attitudes only seek to justify and perpetuate the madness.

I LOVE MY HUBBY AND MY KIDDOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/*]

:seeya: I made the "pregnant without her husband's knowledge because she was following the teachings of their church" post.

Here is my post: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11308532#post11308532

I am a child of the Make Love Not War era. I remember a lot of friends getting pregnant because they "forgot" to take the pill, but told all their girlfriends they got pregnant on purpose. IMO, deception is not good in any relationship.

I know accidents do happen, but my post is a What If scenario. What if Nicholas did not want any more children, but Christine did? What if Christine decided she was going to have another baby and got pregnant anyway?

Having a family, big or small, is a decision that needs to be made by both parties, not one.

I read http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/09/13/righteous/ and then read somewhere else the Francisco family had resigned from the church 2 days before Nicholas disappeared. Are the two connected? :shrug: .

Some men would be thrilled to find out on their birthdays they are going to be a Daddy again. Others may not be thrilled especially if was not something that was discussed.

My post was not meant to discriminate against large families and I apologize if I offended anyone.

jmo

Track292003

02-29-2008, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

(snipped)

Either something happened pretty early on, or he wanted to get away.

Thoughts? [/*]

Off the top of my head right now, I'm thinking that he had some warning that people to whom he owed money -- for whatever reason -- were wanting to collect the debt, through bodily harm if necessary. I also think he may have hinted at this to Christine, which caused her to look at the PayPal account immediately.

So, he may have been ambushed as he left work Wednesday evening, and the attackers either (a) got rid of him after getting their money or (*) are holding him to see if Christine can come up with even more money in the PayPal account that they can then access (through him) and get rid of him later.

Or -- he may have used the PayPal funds himself to get away from the danger that he faced.

I have also wondered if LE has checked recent parolees in the area, who might have been involved as hit men.

Thank you, Dianaelaine, for posting your thoughts here on the open forum where we can all read them.

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
How important to this case, do you think the 'dead' cell phone is?

That's been bugging me.

My husband and I have one, he has a car charger, and bluetooth, to talk to me from the van at anytime.

If his phone is dying down during the work day, he'll charge it on his lunch hour or break .. if he forgets, he plugs it in, as soon as he leaves work.

Why didn't Nick do this?

Why didn't he call her, if he was going to be late ... even a little late? If his daughter is waiting for him, and he's caught in traffic, or at the store ... you would think he would have called, if not from the cell, then from a pay phone.

The fact that he didn't even try to contact her at all ... seems to me, to mean that he couldn't or didn't want to.

Either something happened pretty early on, or he wanted to get away.

Thoughts? [/*]

I think the cell phone being off is really important *IF* it was unusual for him to not have it charged up. I seem to remember it was reported that he even mentioned to co-workers that his cell phone battery was dead. He could have been "setting the stage" for being out of touch for awhile, or he could have been someone who just didn't feel it was necessary to be reachable by phone in every minute and didn't worry if his cell phone wasn't on for a time. (Or, someone who just realized that his phone was off and was considerate enough to tell people so they didn't get worried!)

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by Nellie
http://www.franciscodesign.com/design/

Sounds like a sweet guy to me. I love it when someone puts their heart into a gift. [/*]

Sheesh - these types of things just wrench my heart.

MystryPhobia

02-29-2008, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Yes, if he was definitely going to that Costco, then the back route wouldn't make sense. There is a Costco downtown too though. (I'm still with the "why go to Costco if all you're getting is sugar" thinkers though!)

To go into Canada by car, boat, or train, just a birth certificate and photo id are what is required now. By air, they do require a passport. I think it is June or July of 2009 when the passport will be required for all entry, but that date has been pushed back several times already and I wouldn't be surprised if they hold off until after the Winter Olympics in Feb (?) 2010. [/*]

Yeah.. I just went and checked cause I wasn't sure. I knew it was coming up but wasn't aware that it had been pushed off again. It says til AT LEAST til summer 09. I thought it was already in effect. It says Canada doesn't require it for air travel but the US does so you have to have one if your want to come home. Learn something new everyday.

Thanks.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I think the cell phone being off is really important *IF* it was unusual for him to not have it charged up. I seem to remember it was reported that he even mentioned to co-workers that his cell phone battery was dead. He could have been "setting the stage" for being out of touch for awhile, or he could have been someone who just didn't feel it was necessary to be reachable by phone in every minute and didn't worry if his cell phone wasn't on for a time. (Or, someone who just realized that his phone was off and was considerate enough to tell people so they didn't get worried!) [/*]

Christine said that even if he was 15 minutes late in traffic he would call. That leads me to believe he was the type to be reachable by cell phone every minute. I don't understand why someone did not offer him a charger (I will never believe they did not have extras around there) knowing his car was old and beat up and he had a 20 minute? commute.

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by desmom

:seeya: I made the "pregnant without her husband's knowledge because she was following the teachings of their church" post.

Here is my post: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11308532#post11308532

I am a child of the Make Love Not War era. I remember a lot of friends getting pregnant because they "forgot" to take the pill, but told all their girlfriends they got pregnant on purpose. IMO, deception is not good in any relationship.

I know accidents do happen, but my post is a What If scenario. What if Nicholas did not want any more children, but Christine did? What if Christine decided she was going to have another baby and got pregnant anyway?

Having a family, big or small, is a decision that needs to be made by both parties, not one.

I read http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/09/13/righteous/ and then read somewhere else the Francisco family had resigned from the church 2 days before Nicholas disappeared. Are the two connected? :shrug: .

Some men would be thrilled to find out on their birthdays they are going to be a Daddy again. Others may not be thrilled especially if was not something that was discussed.

My post was not meant to discriminate against large families and I apologize if I offended anyone.

jmo [/*]

Another thing to remember is that she was pregnant with a third child last year and then had a miscarriage in June when she was 2 months along. Depending on how that affected either or both of them -- what level of grief and/or depression either or both of them experienced at that loss -- may have had an impact on how he felt about learning that she was pregnant again.

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 02:11 PM

OK, I"m going to tell this openly:

I was contacted through e-mail from somebody ... not sure if it was an Etsy member or not, but the content of the mail, sure sounded like it was.

I took the mail to be threatening.

In so many words, I was told to

"back off" or else ...

Not saying too much ... but let's say it was enough to make me VERY suspicious now.

Was this from somebody who knows Christine? I don't know ... but it was alarming!

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 02:13 PM

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Track292003

Off the top of my head right now, I'm thinking that he had some warning that people to whom he owed money -- for whatever reason -- were wanting to collect the debt, through bodily harm if necessary. I also think he may have hinted at this to Christine, which caused her to look at the PayPal account immediately.

So, he may have been ambushed as he left work Wednesday evening, and the attackers either (a) got rid of him after getting their money or (*) are holding him to see if Christine can come up with even more money in the PayPal account that they can then access (through him) and get rid of him later.

Or -- he may have used the PayPal funds himself to get away from the danger that he faced.

I have also wondered if LE has checked recent parolees in the area, who might have been involved as hit men.

Thank you, Dianaelaine, for posting your thoughts here on the open forum where we can all read them. [/*]

I could see him using the money to get away. Maybe even in an effort to protect his family? I can't figure out how someone might have taken him from such a public, populated area without any witnesses or any signs, and then also got his car away and to another location. I've thought about the kidnapping angle but I hope and pray that Christine would be smart enough to let LE in on something like that and not try to handle it herself. Plus, her comment about "he's not a coward" just keeps coming back to me. It just seemed like almost a challenge to him, as if she knew he had left and taken the money and how dare he abandon his family.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by babygraceful
Asked hubby the question on the laptop tracking… it got waaay over my head so I asked him to type it out for me:

>>Tracking any device (laptop, pc, handheld) via MAC address is nearly impossible given the fact that MAC addresses are never tracked by ISPs (Internet Service Providers) as they don’t give us anything concrete. A MAC address can be changed in software, furthermore MAC addresses operate at a level below that of IP Addresses and are only ever known or USED by the next hop device (router, switch, etc). Devices further down the stream (outside of your collision domain, ie. Across a router) have no need to have this information, so aren’t given it, and don’t request it (ARP requests). In my line of work if someone wanted to track a device by MAC Address—I’d say… “can’t do it”.<<

Still pretty much over my head - but maybe it will mean something to someone! [/*]

LOL at making him type it out - okay it is consistent with what was on Nicholas' friends blog. Tell him thanks!!

MystryPhobia

02-29-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
OK, I"m going to tell this openly:

I was contacted through e-mail from somebody ... not sure if it was an Etsy member or not, but the content of the mail, sure sounded like it was.

I took the mail to be threatening.

In so many words, I was told to

"back off" or else ...

Not saying too much ... but let's say it was enough to make me VERY suspicious now.

Was this from somebody who knows Christine? I don't know ... but it was alarming! [/*]

Are you SERIOUS?

HMMM.. I would forward it to the authorities if I were you. May be nothing but could be something.. you never know.. ya know??

A private email, one you have listed on etsy, or PM'd on here?

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
OK, I"m going to tell this openly:

I was contacted through e-mail from somebody ... not sure if it was an Etsy member or not, but the content of the mail, sure sounded like it was.

I took the mail to be threatening.

In so many words, I was told to

"back off" or else ...

Not saying too much ... but let's say it was enough to make me VERY suspicious now.

Was this from somebody who knows Christine? I don't know ... but it was alarming! [/*]

Save the email and report it to LE - they don't take kindly to internet threats.

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

I could see him using the money to get away. Maybe even in an effort to protect his family? I can't figure out how someone might have taken him from such a public, populated area without any witnesses or any signs, and then also got his car away and to another location. I've thought about the kidnapping angle but I hope and pray that Christine would be smart enough to let LE in on something like that and not try to handle it herself. Plus, her comment about "he's not a coward" just keeps coming back to me. It just seemed like almost a challenge to him, as if she knew he had left and taken the money and how dare he abandon his family. [/*]

Unless it was somebody he knew.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

Not just that .. but there are STILL pay phones around, I THINK. LOL ...

He could have/would have perhaps called her from the store, or if he had car trouble, ran out of gas, etc .... wouldn't he? [/*]

I don't think he made it to the store, but if he had and was running late, yes I do think he would have called her from the store (from her description of his habits) especially if he thought his daughter was waiting on him.

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 02:20 PM

It was my private e-mail.

I deleted it ... shouldn't have I know, but it got me mad and bothered me, it was a knee jerk reaction. Dang!

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Christine said that even if he was 15 minutes late in traffic he would call. That leads me to believe he was the type to be reachable by cell phone every minute. I don't understand why someone did not offer him a charger (I will never believe they did not have extras around there) knowing his car was old and beat up and he had a 20 minute? commute. [/*]

So... how likely is it that someone who regularly calls when he is even 15 minutes late (which, to me would mean that he usually keeps his cell phone charged), would disappear through no action of his own on the one day that he tells his wife and co-workers that his cell phone battery is dead? Really that would just be tremendously bad luck, wouldn't it? The one day the battery is dead, something random happens? To me the pre-warning about the cell phone being dead, and then Christine's message about discovering the very next day that he had been "shielding her" from some debt are the smoking guns here. And the immediate and continuous request for financial assistance too.

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
OK, I"m going to tell this openly:

I was contacted through e-mail from somebody ... not sure if it was an Etsy member or not, but the content of the mail, sure sounded like it was.

I took the mail to be threatening.

In so many words, I was told to

"back off" or else ...

Not saying too much ... but let's say it was enough to make me VERY suspicious now.

Was this from somebody who knows Christine? I don't know ... but it was alarming! [/*]

Yes, as others have said, most definitely report this to LE.

Musterion

02-29-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Nellie
I've been doing some thinking about this money plea.
I think it's the thing that bothered most of us.
Some think we're cold not to want to help this poor wife.
But, how would they have thought if...

*Scott Peterson had appealed for money desperately within days of Laci's dissappearance, saying they had debt and were broke?

*What if Jessica Lunsford's dad had done that? What if days after Jessica went missing that he had a brother out there telling everyone that Mark needed money desperately for debt and he was broke?

*What about Drew Peterson? He has children to raise, just as
Christine does. What if he had appealed for money within days of his wife dissapparing because of debt and being broke?

*Or Steve Grant...he had children.

See, that's the problem. The appeals for money are really a seperate issue from him dissappearing. To some of us, it appears to be an appeal to help get her bills under control and I guess doesn't sit well to use a missing husband for that cause. It doesn't mean she has had anything to do with his dissappearance, but it does mean to me that she is willing to exploit the situation for funds. [/*]

Each person named is male.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a double standard in viewpoints of missing persons cases when the one left behind is a male or female.

Christine is a presumably pregnant woman with two small children. Her children and herself seem to be mostly dependent on Nicholas for their needs and material well being.

If we are going to compare the names given as examples then it may be good to take each situation and see if it is equal to Christine's case.

Were any of the men dependent on their wives, almost solely for finances? Were the men almost solely the caretakers for the children?

These may make more of a level playing field to evaluate and compare.

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
It was my private e-mail.

I deleted it ... shouldn't have I know, but it got me mad and bothered me, it was a knee jerk reaction. Dang! [/*]

Does Etsy give people access to private email addresses?

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
It was my private e-mail.

I deleted it ... shouldn't have I know, but it got me mad and bothered me, it was a knee jerk reaction. Dang! [/*]

Retrieve it from trash or deleted mail.

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

So... how likely is it that someone who regularly calls when he is even 15 minutes late (which, to me would mean that he usually keeps his cell phone charged), would disappear through no action of his own on the one day that he tells his wife and co-workers that his cell phone battery is dead? Really that would just be tremendously bad luck, wouldn't it? The one day the battery is dead, something random happens? To me the pre-warning about the cell phone being dead, and then Christine's message about discovering the very next day that he had been "shielding her" from some debt are the smoking guns here. And the immediate and continuous request for financial assistance too. [/*]

OK .. just thinking aloud:

If he knew he was going away, planning to leave ... he might LET the phone run out, you know, so he wouldn't be lying, when he told her it was dead.

OH, and the e-mail told me to mind my own business, that this is hurtful enough to the family ... and that I should know when to stay out of things. Some other stuff I'd rather not say.

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 02:29 PM

My e-mail program deletes deleted mail.

Hmmm .. was that confusing? LOL

When I close down the program, it gets rid of deleted mail permanently.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine

OK .. just thinking aloud:

If he knew he was going away, planning to leave ... he might LET the phone run out, you know, so he wouldn't be lying, when he told her it was dead.

OH, and the e-mail told me to mind my own business, that this is hurtful enough to the family ... and that I should know when to stay out of things. Some other stuff I'd rather not say. [/*]

Missing people should be everyone's business. I would report the email and not respond (JMO)

Musterion

02-29-2008, 02:32 PM

It has been brought up that Nicholas may not have wanted the pressure of a third child.

In June 07 it has been stated that Christine miscarried.

He didn't run when he learned of that pregnancy.

Just thoughts.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 02:33 PM

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by babygraceful
Truly sorry if this has been answered already & I didn’t pick up on it – but do we know for sure that the cell phone actually went dead? Or could it be that it was turned off & then not used again? [/*]

Aren't the characteristics of a cell phone turned off or out of juice the same thing? It goes straight to voice mail? This is why the charger is important IMO.

huskiki

02-29-2008, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Missing people should be everyone's business. I would report the email and not respond (JMO) [/*]

Hi Rainy, I'm still trying to catch up both here and at work. LOL What letter are you referring to?

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by babygraceful
Truly sorry if this has been answered already & I didn’t pick up on it – but do we know for sure that the cell phone actually went dead? Or could it be that it was turned off & then not used again? [/*]

News reports have quoted LE as saying the phone was EITHER turned off or dead, and that's why they couldn't "ping" it.

This news report says "She said that deputies also have been pinging his cell phone, but have gotten no response. Nicholas' co-workers say his cell phone batteries were dead on his last day at work." http://www.komotv.com/news/15682797.html

Now, this quote from the same story is interesting: "Christine Francisco said there has been no activity in Nicholas' e-mail or bank account since he vanished. " The story was published on Feb 15. Yet she made that discovery about his PayPal "debt" on Feb. 14. I suppose the "no activity..since he vanished" might be technically true, but including the PayPal discovery seems to change the picture a bit.

Musterion

02-29-2008, 02:42 PM

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hi Rainy, I'm still trying to catch up both here and at work. LOL What letter are you referring to? [/*]

Someone sent DianaElaine a "need to mind your own business - back off" email

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

[snip]

Now, this quote from the same story is interesting: "Christine Francisco said there has been no activity in Nicholas' e-mail or bank account since he vanished. " The story was published on Feb 15. Yet she made that discovery about his PayPal "debt" on Feb. 14. I suppose the "no activity..since he vanished" might be technically true, but including the PayPal discovery seems to change the picture a bit. [/*]

To clarify my last comment -- it would seem that the PayPal discovery was something "unusual" and had happened quite recently (if not after he disappeared, then right before), it was activity on *his* account, and it put her in quite a state of "desperate" financial need.

desmom

02-29-2008, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
It was my private e-mail.

I deleted it ... shouldn't have I know, but it got me mad and bothered me, it was a knee jerk reaction. Dang! [/*]

You deleted..did you dump your deleted files also?

You can block the sender.

If you receive any more, contact their provider.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

News reports have quoted LE as saying the phone was EITHER turned off or dead, and that's why they couldn't "ping" it.

This news report says "She said that deputies also have been pinging his cell phone, but have gotten no response. Nicholas' co-workers say his cell phone batteries were dead on his last day at work." http://www.komotv.com/news/15682797.html

Now, this quote from the same story is interesting: "Christine Francisco said there has been no activity in Nicholas' e-mail or bank account since he vanished. " The story was published on Feb 15. Yet she made that discovery about his PayPal "debt" on Feb. 14. I suppose the "no activity..since he vanished" might be technically true, but including the PayPal discovery seems to change the picture a bit. [/*]

Okay his batteries??? Then he had NO access at all on his cell phone. I cannot believe his company would not have extra batteries.

huskiki

02-29-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Someone sent DianaElaine a "need to mind your own business - back off" email [/*]

:eek:

Musterion

02-29-2008, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Missing people is everyone's business. I would report the email and not respond (JMO) [/*]

It is everyone's business. Because a crime may have been committed. And a crime committed isn't just against the person kidnapped, killed, raped, hurt. It is against society.

That is why when someone is brought to trial it is said: The State of _____ vs. (Accused).

However, legally, a person over the age of being considered an adult, 'running away', is not everyone's business.

Sometimes the determination is difficult. Missing vs. leaving on one's own.

MystryPhobia

02-29-2008, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by babygraceful

I have no idea, I don't have one! :shrug: [/*]

You don't have a cell phone?

My new hero! :patriot:

I want to throw mine out the car window.. while doing 60 at times.

I think that his cell phone hadn't just died... it had been dead throughout the day.

Musterion

02-29-2008, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
My e-mail program deletes deleted mail.

Hmmm .. was that confusing? LOL

When I close down the program, it gets rid of deleted mail permanently. [/*]

Diana,

It is never really gone!

It is on your hard drive. Permanently.

You can retrieve it. Would just have to call someone who specializes in retrieval.

It may be worth it.

huskiki

02-29-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
OK, I"m going to tell this openly:

I was contacted through e-mail from somebody ... not sure if it was an Etsy member or not, but the content of the mail, sure sounded like it was.

I took the mail to be threatening.

In so many words, I was told to

"back off" or else ...

Not saying too much ... but let's say it was enough to make me VERY suspicious now.

Was this from somebody who knows Christine? I don't know ... but it was alarming! [/*]

I know after you posted this you said you deleted the email but you can retrieve it in your trash if you didn't empty that. It was your personal email, someone from the Etsy site could have gotten that. hmmmmm ....

Danette44

02-29-2008, 02:58 PM

Breazy

02-29-2008, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Nellie
http://www.franciscodesign.com/design/

Sounds like a sweet guy to me. I love it when someone puts their heart into a gift. [/*]

Yes it does. Makes me believe everything Christine feels about him never leaving them is right on the money. I must say too . . . I worked in Advertising (Media Buyer and Production Manager) for twenty years and he is an awesome designer.

:rose: Praying Nicholas finds his way home.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

It is everyone's business. Because a crime may have been committed. And a crime committed isn't just against the person kidnapped, killed, raped, hurt. It is against society.

That is why when someone is brought to trial it is said: The State of _____ vs. (Accused).

However, legally, a person over the age of being considered an adult, 'running away', is not everyone's business.

Sometimes the determination is difficult. Missing vs. leaving on one's own. [/*]

Very true - however this was put on AMW, Greta, Nancy, and other media outlets. In addition, LE asked for the public's help. It would be so embarassing for Nicholas, Christine, and their family if he has simply just left.

omsk99

02-29-2008, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I will send it to you privately but she does say that her husband's disappearance is basically a private family matter at this time. She doesn't know Nicholas and she does not believe that her husband did either.

I will PM you. [/*]

Could you please PM me as well? TIA! :seeya:

omsk99

02-29-2008, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

The cell phone thing has bugged me from day one. Usually businessmen have the cell phone in a case clipped to their belt. If he had a case and clip, I wonder if those are missing along with the cell phone. [/*]

I think he is a graphic designer, so he probably doesn't communicate with clients or other business people much. I am not surprised his phone was dead (IF it was indeed dead), I don't have a car charger, but charge the phone overnight. However, to contradict myself here, he has two small children and a pregnant wife, so I would think he would make sure his phone was always charged... :shrug:

Danette44

02-29-2008, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Musterion
It has been brought up that Nicholas may not have wanted the pressure of a third child.

In June 07 it has been stated that Christine miscarried.

He didn't run when he learned of that pregnancy.

Just thoughts. [/*]

You seem to be defending Christine alot, which please don't get me wrong thats good she has someone here doing that. But, do we really know for a FACT she had a miscarriage and pregnant now for that matter? She just isn't painting a pretty picture of him right now with his finance's, actually that was no one's business, LE check and didn't say anything til she made it known at the same time needing MONEY. This is just a nice place to come and voice opinons thats all it is, no one blaming anyone, but if it was a woman missing Nicholas would of been polygraph, house search, computers search.......jmoo

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Very true - however this was put on AMW, Greta, Nancy, and other media outlets. In addition, LE asked for the public's help. It would be so embarassing for Nicholas, Christine, and their family if he has simply just left. [/*]

The only scenario where it wouldn't be embarrassing might be if he had a nervous breakdown or amnesia (rare, but not impossible).

I was discussing this case with a friend yesterday and she brought up a good point about the *national* media exposure. If in fact he met up with "foul play", what is the likelihood that it occurred somewhere other than right here in Seattle? It seems the national exposure will only be helpful if he did somehow leave town. I suppose it's not impossible that someone would take him out of state to harm him, but it sure seems unlikely. So appealing to a national audience seems mainly designed to find out where he may have gone on his own... or to solicit more financial support indirectly. (Though I'm sure the national appeal also helps to keep the story in the media too since the local media isn't really covering it anymore.)

MystryPhobia

02-29-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Could you please PM me as well? TIA! :seeya: [/*]

You have a PM. :D

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

The only scenario where it wouldn't be embarrassing might be if he had a nervous breakdown or amnesia (rare, but not impossible).

I was discussing this case with a friend yesterday and she brought up a good point about the *national* media exposure. If in fact he met up with "foul play", what is the likelihood that it occurred somewhere other than right here in Seattle? It seems the national exposure will only be helpful if he did somehow leave town. I suppose it's not impossible that someone would take him out of state to harm him, but it sure seems unlikely. So appealing to a national audience seems mainly designed to find out where he may have gone on his own... or to solicit more financial support indirectly. (Though I'm sure the national appeal also helps to keep the story in the media too since the local media isn't really covering it anymore.) [/*]

Over on WS someone posted a picture of what looks like his employer's place of business. It looks to have a parking garage. Christine said he parks on the street;however I asked about that early on as I didn't know if employees could park on the street. If it was a parking garage, he could have been carjacked there.

Scroll down...
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61165

omsk99

02-29-2008, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I don't think he made it to the store, but if he had and was running late, yes I do think he would have called her from the store (from her description of his habits) especially if he thought his daughter was waiting on him. [/*]

His Costco card was not used that night, so unless he came to the store and didn't buy anything (which would be very strange, considering they wouldn't have run out of sugar!), he never made it to the store, intentionally or not.

omsk99

02-29-2008, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

You have a PM. :D [/*]

Thank you!!!:biggrin:

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 03:18 PM

When husband gets home, I'll ask him to retrieve it .. he'll know how to find it I think.

I have my e-mail program set up to empty deleted mail right away, as in gone for good. But if it's still on my hard drive, then I'll have hubby find it.

My only phone is a cell ... and yes, when the phone is dead, run out ... it goes to voice mail.

Sooooooooo even if the battery was dead or it was turned off, he would still get messages.

MystryPhobia

02-29-2008, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

The only scenario where it wouldn't be embarrassing might be if he had a nervous breakdown or amnesia (rare, but not impossible).

I was discussing this case with a friend yesterday and she brought up a good point about the *national* media exposure. If in fact he met up with "foul play", what is the likelihood that it occurred somewhere other than right here in Seattle? It seems the national exposure will only be helpful if he did somehow leave town. I suppose it's not impossible that someone would take him out of state to harm him, but it sure seems unlikely. So appealing to a national audience seems mainly designed to find out where he may have gone on his own... or to solicit more financial support indirectly. (Though I'm sure the national appeal also helps to keep the story in the media too since the local media isn't really covering it anymore.) [/*]

You know ThruTheTrees.. there is a friend here on the boards whos husband was missing for, I think 6 weeks. He called and said that he was on his way home.. never came home.. 6 weeks later he called and was quite a ways from home. He didn't remember the time he was gone and only remembers someone handing him $20 and telling him to call home. An angel IMO. Come to find out he had a brain tumor.

huskiki

02-29-2008, 03:24 PM

huskiki

02-29-2008, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Over on WS someone posted a picture of what looks like his employer's place of business. It looks to have a parking garage. Christine said he parks on the street;however I asked about that early on as I didn't know if employees could park on the street. If it was a parking garage, he could have been carjacked there.

Scroll down...
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61165 [/*]

I thought I read something about a parking garage too. Now the question is, where did I read it?

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

You know ThruTheTrees.. there is a friend here on the boards whos husband was missing for, I think 6 weeks. He called and said that he was on his way home.. never came home.. 6 weeks later he called and was quite a ways from home. He didn't remember the time he was gone and only remembers someone handing him $20 and telling him to call home. An angel IMO. Come to find out he had a brain tumor. [/*]

What a sad and scary story. Did he recover from the brain tumor?

There were reports on the Franciscos' friends' blog (thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com) that the Franciscos had all been very sick the weekend before his disappearance. It would be interesting to know from his co-workers how he was at work that week, if he was feeling well, if he missed work on Monday or Tuesday due to the illness? Although if they were planning on baking cookies that night, they must have all been feeling better by then.

Still the fact that Nicholas's car was found not far away seems to indicate that if he took off (whether in an aware and sane frame of mind, or under the influence of any physical or mental illness), he did so with someone else's help or with some pre-planning.

Musterion

02-29-2008, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

If I'm not mistaken Steven Grant was a Mr. Mom, his wife traveled all the time, now he is going to be someone's Bubba..... [/*]

He did work. His father owns a tool and dye shop and employed him. That's where he dismembered her body.

They had a nanny. From Germany. She is who he was having an affair with when he killed his wife.

Musterion

02-29-2008, 03:34 PM

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 03:35 PM

Somebody STOP me from eating all these chocolate/potato chip candies I made!!!

OK .. back to the case:

If Nick is alive, where is he staying?

Is he alone or with friends?

How is he living? If he has cash, it will only last so long. How easy is it for somebody to create a new identity?

MystryPhobia

02-29-2008, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

What a sad and scary story. Did he recover from the brain tumor?

There were reports on the Franciscos' friends' blog (thedonovanfamily.blogspot.com) that the Franciscos had all been very sick the weekend before his disappearance. It would be interesting to know from his co-workers how he was at work that week, if he was feeling well, if he missed work on Monday or Tuesday due to the illness? Although if they were planning on baking cookies that night, they must have all been feeling better by then.

Still the fact that Nicholas's car was found not far away seems to indicate that if he took off (whether in an aware and sane frame of mind, or under the influence of any physical or mental illness), he did so with someone else's help or with some pre-planning. [/*]

He had surgery and recovered. He is disable because of it and has issues with his heart now. It is a very sad and inspirational story. She actually slapped him across the face when she got to where he was. On the same side that they later found out the tumor was on. I wish she was here to tell it. Haven't seen her on in some time. I always get worried when I don't see her cause I know that he has had alot of health issues since then and they don't know how long he will actually have. A great love story though. They saw each other through it and still are deeply in love and devoted to one another.

Anyway.. just goes to show that it really could be ANYTHING. You just never know. Her husband called and said he was on his way home.. and poof..

Silver_Dove

02-29-2008, 03:44 PM

Hi I'm new here but this case really has me thinking since I live south of Seattle near where they live.

Everyone talks about the fact he was coming home to make cookies but what I found interesting was on either Nancy Grace or Greta Van Susteren she was ask if he had been different that day. She answer that he got the kids up, feed them breakfast then brought her coffee and kissed her before he left and that he seemed fine as she talk to him all through the day. Seems like he was almost too good to be true really. Also a lot of pressure to be so perfect.

I just can't come up with a way for his car to get moved with no sign of foul play that really works unless he was a complete coward and drove to a place for them to kill him and then nicely got out of the car and let them kill him. Personally I would have crashed the car if I was driving or tried to get out if I wasn't.

I have heard of so many people who have meet people on the internet and decide to leave. With a laptop it would be so simple. You can even talk to them using most message programs. In this case all of the evidence would be on the laptop. I have even know women who would gladly support a good man until the heat was off and he could get another job.

Lastly many couples don't tell others about marital problems they are having and everything, other then pictures, that we know is from her. I'm not saying she was bad but would she really want the world to know anything other then that they had the perfect marriage, the perfect life and that he loved her and would never do anything like leave her?

Some times I almost think she pushes the foul play to much and is total freaked at the idea that he might have left her. Me thinks the lady protest to much. She may even suspect but refuse to admit it.

huskiki

02-29-2008, 03:54 PM

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 04:02 PM

Another fundraiser...how I wish some of this would be used to up the reward...

http://voxpopnetwork.com/westseattle/2008/02/17/urgent-message-regarding-nicholas-francisco/

One of the comments...

(28 February 2008) I Heart Rummage says:
On Sunday March 2nd, I Heart Rummage will have a donationbox available and all donations will be given to the Francisco Family. Please come and support your local artists and give to support the Francisco Family.
Thank you.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i haven't heard anyone bring up the idea that he may have taken his own life....just a thought [/*]

A poster named Beth Engleman brought up that possibility.

omsk99

02-29-2008, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Welcome Silver_Dove :seeya:

Everything you said makes sense. Most people do not discuss their personal life with friends, family and especially co-workers. Christine painted a perfect picture for the media. Was it true, we probably will never know. Like you said, all we have is her side. [/*]

You know, I agree with both of you regarding her current actions, but she did say how happy she was with Nicholas and her kids on her website back in July, before everything happened.

Quote:

"I’m not quite sure why I am so blessed. I thought it couldn’t get any better than I had it with a wonderful (to say the least) husband and two amazing kids who make me nuts and pull my hair out and burst out laughing and fill me with so much joy all at the same time :D"

http://www.thefranciscos.com/

MystryPhobia

02-29-2008, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by babygraceful

Wow, that certainly is an incredible story! Amazing that he was able to find his way back home & get the help that he needed & back into the arms of his family.

side note: MystryPhobia - sent you a PM earlier - did you receive it? I am a little rusty & not sure I have my settings arranged properly for pm’ing [/*]

I just replied to you babygraceful. I think you should ask her. I don't think anyone has talked about that.. not that I have seen anyway.

Well.. guys.. unfortunately I have to work and will be out of the office for the next couple of hours.

Maybe ya'll will find him while I am gone.

Such smart, respectful, caring people here. I am SOO grateful for these boards.:D

Silver_Dove

02-29-2008, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
i haven't heard anyone bring up the idea that he may have taken his own life....just a thought [/*]

Personally with the car in a condo parking lot I find that unlikely I would expect it to by near the sound, a mountain or someplace he was going to do himself harm or if it was going to be drugs then still in the car or near by.

Why drive to a condo with no easy place to kill yourself. I think there is only a small lake or something there. Also I believe they search the area near the car.

Also how do you hid your own body? Then park your own car. Although someone could have then stoled it but still that would be one more strange coincidence.

MystryPhobia

02-29-2008, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by babygraceful
http://www.franciscodesign.com/

On the bottom paragraph it says:
"Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Nulla viverra lorem non tortor. Praesent elit"

Has it been discussed anywhere what this means or translates to? [/*]

oops.. guess you already did.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 04:10 PM

omsk99

02-29-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

oops.. guess you already did. [/*]

I must have missed it, what does it say? TIA

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
Hi I'm new here but this case really has me thinking since I live south of Seattle near where they live.

Everyone talks about the fact he was coming home to make cookies but what I found interesting was on either Nancy Grace or Greta Van Susteren she was ask if he had been different that day. She answer that he got the kids up, feed them breakfast then brought her coffee and kissed her before he left and that he seemed fine as she talk to him all through the day. Seems like he was almost too good to be true really. Also a lot of pressure to be so perfect.

I just can't come up with a way for his car to get moved with no sign of foul play that really works unless he was a complete coward and drove to a place for them to kill him and then nicely got out of the car and let them kill him. Personally I would have crashed the car if I was driving or tried to get out if I wasn't.

I have heard of so many people who have meet people on the internet and decide to leave. With a laptop it would be so simple. You can even talk to them using most message programs. In this case all of the evidence would be on the laptop. I have even know women who would gladly support a good man until the heat was off and he could get another job.

Lastly many couples don't tell others about marital problems they are having and everything, other then pictures, that we know is from her. I'm not saying she was bad but would she really want the world to know anything other then that they had the perfect marriage, the perfect life and that he loved her and would never do anything like leave her?

Some times I almost think she pushes the foul play to much and is total freaked at the idea that he might have left her. Me thinks the lady protest to much. She may even suspect but refuse to admit it. [/*]

Welcome, Silver_Dove. I just joined this discussion yesterday and have to say it is overall the most active, intelligent, and respectful of the various boards that I've looked at during the past 2 weeks of this case. (Also more than a little addictive -- I really have to exercise more discipline and get back to my work at times!)

I agree with everything you said above. I would even expand on your last sentence that she may even KNOW he left her, but refuses to admit it. Although I think if it turns out that way, then she will still get plenty of sympathy and support. She will of course be grieving the loss of the perfect marriage/family/husband, but who wouldn't have some empathy for a woman whose husband would knowingly put her through this? (Unless we find that she has known for awhile but withheld information to keep getting attention.)

I guess I am hoping out for the less-likely possibility, that he is suffering from some memory lapse or mental/emotional issues, but that they are curable, and that he didn't leave intentionally and will eventually return. Because while it is certainly not a crime to leave without telling someone, if he is hiding out and doesn't return soon, he still has legal obligations to his debtors and his wife and children that he will need to face.

omsk99

02-29-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

what language is that? maybe we could google a translation [/*]

I work in translation, but cannot even tell what language this is. At first I thought Latin, but now I am not so sure. Altavista has Babelfish machine translation, I will check.

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

what language is that? maybe we could google a translation [/*]

I could be wrong, but that looks to me like just filler text that is often used for placement in page layout and design applications.

Nellie

02-29-2008, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Each person named is male.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a double standard in viewpoints of missing persons cases when the one left behind is a male or female.

Christine is a presumably pregnant woman with two small children. Her children and herself seem to be mostly dependent on Nicholas for their needs and material well being.

If we are going to compare the names given as examples then it may be good to take each situation and see if it is equal to Christine's case.

Were any of the men dependent on their wives, almost solely for finances? Were the men almost solely the caretakers for the children?

These may make more of a level playing field to evaluate and compare. [/*]

I do understand what you are saying. These are names that just popped into my head. I can't think of any women because it's mostly wives that go missing. I'll work on that, ok?

And I understand what you are saying about her being depending on his income. I really do. I just don't think that so soon after he went missing that she should be jumping to the conclusion he's never coming back and what am I going to do about these bills? It was too soon in my opinion and the concern seems to be more about paying the bills than it is about finding her husband. Sorry, I still think the appeal for money was too quick....unless she knew somehow her husband was not coming back.

huskiki

02-29-2008, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

You know, I agree with both of you regarding her current actions, but she did say how happy she was with Nicholas and her kids on her website back in July, before everything happened.

Quote:

"I’m not quite sure why I am so blessed. I thought it couldn’t get any better than I had it with a wonderful (to say the least) husband and two amazing kids who make me nuts and pull my hair out and burst out laughing and fill me with so much joy all at the same time :D"

http://www.thefranciscos.com/ [/*]

Yes, in everything I have read about Christine and from her pictures she seems like a very happy woman. She has a beautiful family.

omsk99

02-29-2008, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

what language is that? maybe we could google a translation [/*]

It is related to graphic design:

http://www.loremipsum.net/

http://www.lipsum.com/

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by hippiegirl
sorry, i guess i missed that one [/*]

no problem - I do it all the time

huskiki

02-29-2008, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

what language is that? maybe we could google a translation [/*]

I tried google translation and nothing seemed to work. I first thought French then thought Latin. :shrug:

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 04:18 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I tried google translation and nothing seemed to work. I first thought French then thought Latin. :shrug: [/*]

LOL I did too - I even translated from a foreign language to a foreign language and thought well what good is that? hammer

Musterion

02-29-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

You seem to be defending Christine alot, which please don't get me wrong thats good she has someone here doing that. But, do we really know for a FACT she had a miscarriage and pregnant now for that matter? She just isn't painting a pretty picture of him right now with his finance's, actually that was no one's business, LE check and didn't say anything til she made it known at the same time needing MONEY. This is just a nice place to come and voice opinons thats all it is, no one blaming anyone, but if it was a woman missing Nicholas would of been polygraph, house search, computers search.......jmoo [/*]

It's good for the discussion. From all points of view. It may get this case kept in the forefront and solved!

Presumably she is and was pregnant. We don't have her medical reports. We have what she has said.

It seems the financial aspect arose as a reasonable question from LE and Media as a factor in why Nicholas may be missing. Questions were asked publicly to Christine. She answered them. If she had refused to answer them how would we all view that now?

The financial aspect of the case seems to be as much the public's interest as any other aspect of their lives.

Christine seems to have a very sanguine personality. Exaggeration and embellishment can be a common trait within that personality type.

I don't see anyone blaming anyone on this board. I see people discussing. All sides. Again, I think that is good.

What I hope to add is another perspective to generalizations and assumptions brought out.

It is more true than not that if this were a man whose wife was missing more would be required of him.

But, just as we don't have firm facts if Christine was/is pregnant, we don't know for a fact if she was asked to take a polygraph. We don't know for a fact if her home has been searched. We don't know for a fact if her computers have been searched.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

It is related to graphic design:

http://www.loremipsum.net/

http://www.lipsum.com/ [/*]

So does it mean something? It is still in a foreign language.

Nellie

02-29-2008, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove
Some times I almost think she pushes the foul play to much and is total freaked at the idea that he might have left her. Me thinks the lady protest to much. She may even suspect but refuse to admit it. [/*]

Welcome Silver_Dove! I agree with you about her protesting too much. It's almost like it would be more accepting to her that he met with foul play than it would be that he would do that to her.
She's more freaked out at the thought that he would leave her.

huskiki

02-29-2008, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

So does it mean something? It is still in a foreign language. [/*]

Roots of 'lorem ipsum'?
'Lorem ipsum' is not simply random text. It is actually over 2000 years old and it has roots in a piece of classical Latin literature from 45 BC. 'Lorem ipsum' comes from sections 1.10.32 and 1.10.33 of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum" (The Extremes of Good and Evil) written in 45 BC by Marcus Tullius Cicero. The first line of 'lorem ipsum', "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet...", can be read out of a line from section 1.10.32. This book was very popular during the Renaissance and it is a treatise on the theory of ethics.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Roots of 'lorem ipsum'?
'Lorem ipsum' is not simply random text. It is actually over 2000 years old and it has roots in a piece of classical Latin literature from 45 BC. 'Lorem ipsum' comes from sections 1.10.32 and 1.10.33 of "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum" (The Extremes of Good and Evil) written in 45 BC by Marcus Tullius Cicero. The first line of 'lorem ipsum', "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet...", can be read out of a line from section 1.10.32. This book was very popular during the Renaissance and it is a treatise on the theory of ethics. [/*]

Oh mercy LOL - hope we don't have to delve into this.

huskiki

02-29-2008, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Oh mercy LOL - hope we don't have to delve into this. [/*]

:lol:

Nellie

02-29-2008, 04:30 PM

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 04:34 PM

Some thoughts:

Again, this is only me .. but:

The first day my husband was missing, I'd be sick ... very sick to my stomach. I'd be shaking and crying. I would also call ALL his relatives, friends, co-workers MYSELF.

I probably couldn't sleep ... would either need a pill, or just run on andrenaline.

With each passing day, I'd get sicker, and I'd be OUT ... out there .. where he might be. I'd trace his steps over and over.

I'd be raising the reward as high as I could, from organizations he belongs to, anybody, so it would get more tempting for somebody to talk.

I'd make a plea on television to him, if he did leave on his own, to send me SOME type of message, anything, to let me know he's alive, for his children.

I'd offer him privacy, but hope that he would be willing to stay in contact with his kids.

I would NOT ask for money for myself or bills. I guess I just wouldn't be thinking of that, that soon. I would be sick with worry and determined to find him first.

If enough time passed, and together with the detectives and myself, he couldn't be found ... I would explain to my children that daddy is gone away for awhile, and we have to wait until he's ready to call us. I would at least have to face that fact that perhaps he did walk, and do what I could to deal with that.

BUT: I'd never stop looking ... at least for a long time.

As for money, if I had to go on public assistance, I would ... I'm sure family and friends and co=workers would help.

I'd feel really funny taking much from strangers, if anything at all. If I did, it would go toward the reward.

Now this is just me .. but yeah, her actions are just so strange.

SHOUT about him! TALK about him!
Do whatever you can do!!!

dulcinea

02-29-2008, 04:34 PM

Hello all,

I speak 6 foreign languages. I studied Latin about 10 years ago. Let me see if I can figure out a translation. No promises, though!

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by dulcinea
Hello all,

I speak 6 foreign languages. I studied Latin about 10 years ago. Let me see if I can figure out a translation. No promises, though! [/*]

Oh COOLLLLLLLLL thanks for trying.

murdershewrote

02-29-2008, 04:38 PM

does anyone know where they were from originally, how long they have lived in Seattle? I haven't heard anything about grandparents being around, or sisters/brothers...

dianaelaine

02-29-2008, 04:40 PM

Did my rambling make any sense? :eek:

murdershewrote

02-29-2008, 04:43 PM

another question...hate to get back on the church thing, but I find it very odd that MH hasn't rallied around her, helped with money, etc. I mean, they had only left the flock a few days before...seems the people they knew there wouldn't have cut them off completely at a time like this?

desmom

02-29-2008, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Welcome Silver_Dove! I agree with you about her protesting too much. It's almost like it would be more accepting to her that he met with foul play than it would be that he would do that to her.
She's more freaked out at the thought that he would leave her. [/*]

ITA!

Nellie

02-29-2008, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

It seems the financial aspect arose as a reasonable question from LE and Media as a factor in why Nicholas may be missing. Questions were asked publicly to Christine. She answered them. If she had refused to answer them how would we all view that now?

The financial aspect of the case seems to be as much the public's interest as any other aspect of their lives.

Christine seems to have a very sanguine personality. Exaggeration and embellishment can be a common trait within that personality type.

[/*]

Hi Musterion! I appreciate your discussion and am willing to look at things from different angles. We know so little about this case.

As far as the financial aspect, I'm not sure how honest Christine has been with LE or the Media about that. She did not let on to Greta that finances would be a reason he would leave. As a matter of fact, she said the opposite. What strikes me about what she told Greta about their finances...that they were in the middle....was the total opposite of what she had been portraying on the internet prior to going on the Greta show. On Greta she said,
I don't think anymore than the average american family. we are not well off but we're not in poverty. We're jst in the middle.
Now that is NOT what she had been spreading all over the internet BEFORE going on Greta. Why? She could have acknowledged that finances were a concern and people have been so kind and helping her out. But not a word about that. I have to ask why? It's like she wanted to keep the internet fund raising and appeals for money a "secret".

I did mention earlier that I believe she may have a personality that embellishes things...I agree with you there!

Nellie

02-29-2008, 04:46 PM

omsk99

02-29-2008, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

So does it mean something? It is still in a foreign language. [/*]

It must be Latin, it cannot be any other Romance language. It has something to do with printing, I was too lazy to read all the articles :D

dulcinea

02-29-2008, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by dulcinea
Hello all,

I speak 6 foreign languages. I studied Latin about 10 years ago. Let me see if I can figure out a translation. No promises, though! [/*]

I feel silly quoting myself but I missed the window to edit my post. I see omsk99 has provided links above that explain rather well where the "Lorem ipsum..." comes from. I missed them earlier.

omsk99

02-29-2008, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

She may have been happy...
Doesn't mean he was. [/*]

True, but he sure looks happy and always smiling on all the pics. That could be deceiving, of course :seeya:

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by murdershewrote
another question...hate to get back on the church thing, but I find it very odd that MH hasn't rallied around her, helped with money, etc. I mean, they had only left the flock a few days before...seems the people they knew there wouldn't have cut them off completely at a time like this? [/*]

Here is a link to the church's statement on the case, in case anyone hasn't read it already: http://voxpopnetwork.com/westseattle/2008/02/17/urgent-message-regarding-nicholas-francisco/

I think that people from the church were helping with the searches. I read on one of the non-affiliated blogs about the church that the Franciscos had been attending a "north Seattle gathering" instead of the MH church. It's possible they just found another church community that they liked better, and decided to leave MH and gave them notice as required. It is coincidental though that the official resignation was just 2 days before Nicholas left... at least according to a message that Christine posted.

desmom

02-29-2008, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Did my rambling make any sense? :eek: [/*]

I think your rambling makes wonderful sense. :D

Silver_Dove

02-29-2008, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

True, but he sure looks happy and always smiling on all the pics. That could be deceiving, of course :seeya: [/*]

If I posted pictures of my ex husband and infact most pictures I have of him, he looks like a happy loving husband. I have ones of him looking lovingly at me when I was pregnant, looking lovingly at his son, all of us together looking happy. What you wouldn't see because there were no pictures was him hitting me, walking out on me and all the other bad times. I kept it as quit as possible and wanted people to think everything was fine.

I'm in no way saying this was happening to them I'm just saying pictures can be some of the biggest lies of all.

murdershewrote

02-29-2008, 05:04 PM

thanks for the message from MH, I'm glad to hear that they are helping...she seems to be getting lots of assistance.

field of snow

02-29-2008, 05:06 PM

dianaelaine -- I am sorry you got that email and I hope you can retrieve it. Was it anonymous or was it clear it sent it? Now you know why I am here anonymously. I figured that would happen. Heck, I wouldn't put it past one of those nut cases to off someone's husband just to have some drama to swirl around. (okay, a bit of a leap, but you know what I mean if you have spent a lot of time on the forums in such threads).

I wanted to bring up the thought that his known cell phone might not be working, but it is very easy to buy a cell phone nobody knows about and cannot be traced to him.

I am sure Seattle also has some place or four where one can go get a new ID for travel.

Another bit I picked up: Etsy Seller ArtworkSW works with Stephanie at that CostCo. This was noted in the original thread on etsy on Feb 17. Maybe someone can Convo her privately to see if she knows more? It was reported that Viliamu is Samoan.

ThruTheTrees

02-29-2008, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

How do we know they've cut them off? I'm not sure she isn't receiving funds from them too.

I wonder how long they were members there? Anyone know? [/*]

Not sure how long they were members, but I found copies of the church newsletter dating back to February 2005 that showed Nicholas as their page design/layout guy. Here is a link to an issue that features a photo by Christine on the cover: http://www.marshillchurch.org/audio/vp_march2005.pdf

omsk99

02-29-2008, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

If I posted pictures of my ex husband and infact most pictures I have of him, he looks like a happy loving husband. I have ones of him looking lovingly at me when I was pregnant, looking lovingly at his son, all of us together looking happy. What you wouldn't see because there were no pictures was him hitting me, walking out on me and all the other bad times. I kept it as quit as possible and wanted people to think everything was fine.

I'm in no way saying this was happening to them I'm just saying pictures can be some of the biggest lies of all. [/*]

I am so sorry to hear you and your family were treated like this, and am glad he is not with you anymore. I completely understand what you mean, and hope that's not the case with this family.

soyesterday

02-29-2008, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

I just can't come up with a way for his car to get moved with no sign of foul play that really works unless he was a complete coward and drove to a place for them to kill him and then nicely got out of the car and let them kill him. Personally I would have crashed the car if I was driving or tried to get out if I wasn't.

[/*]

I'm sooooo not trying to cause any problems or anything, but did i read this part wrong?
I'm sure i took it wrong........

Silver_Dove

02-29-2008, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Sorry, my message was for Silver Dove regarding her post. I didn't specify who it was to. [/*]

I'm sorry I didn't mean to make anyone feel bad. It was very very long ago. That son is now over 30 :) and my husband now is a dear although not perfect.:biggrin: So I have many years of happiness now. But come to think of it my husband now hates to have his picture taken so looks grumpy in many I have of him. lol

omsk99

02-29-2008, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by snowfield
dianaelaine -- I am sorry you got that email and I hope you can retrieve it. Was it anonymous or was it clear it sent it? Now you know why I am here anonymously. I figured that would happen. Heck, I wouldn't put it past one of those nut cases to off someone's husband just to have some drama to swirl around. (okay, a bit of a leap, but you know what I mean if you have spent a lot of time on the forums in such threads).

I wanted to bring up the thought that his known cell phone might not be working, but it is very easy to buy a cell phone nobody knows about and cannot be traced to him.

I am sure Seattle also has some place or four where one can go get a new ID for travel.

Another bit I picked up: Etsy Seller ArtworkSW works with Stephanie at that CostCo. This was noted in the original thread on etsy on Feb 17. Maybe someone can Convo her privately to see if she knows more? It was reported that Viliamu is Samoan. [/*]

A couple of people on this board heard from Stephanie, she said the matter of her husband disappearance is private, and that she doesn't know Nicholas or his family.

Silver_Dove

02-29-2008, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday

I'm sooooo not trying to cause any problems or anything, but did i read this part wrong?
I'm sure i took it wrong........ [/*]

I'm just trying to say it is hard to move someone around in their car with them driving, the bad guy driving or already having killed or hurt the person and leave no evidence. It would also be difficult to come up with a really likely way for the car to move without him in it.

Not likely that someone came up and grabbed him into another car and still bothered to drive his car.

I'm not saying he is a coward if that is what you thought because I don't believe he was taken with his car.

omsk99

02-29-2008, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

I'm just trying to say it is hard to move someone around in their car with them driving, the bad guy driving or already having killed or hurt the person and leave no evidence. It would also be difficult to come up with a really likely way for the car to move without him in it.

Not likely that someone came up and grabbed him into another car and still bothered to drive his car.

I'm not saying he is a coward if that is what you thought because I don't believe he was taken with his car. [/*]

And from the reports, there was no evidence of any foul play or a struggle in the car. They probably also dusted for fingerprints to see if there was a strange in the car (but then again, they may not have fingerprints on file of everyone who could have been there at any time).

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees

Not sure how long they were members, but I found copies of the church newsletter dating back to February 2005 that showed Nicholas as their page design/layout guy. Here is a link to an issue that features a photo by Christine on the cover: http://www.marshillchurch.org/audio/vp_march2005.pdf [/*]

http://www.franciscodesign.com/design/

Someone posted this link earlier and if you click on the first "print" icon, then hit next you'll see a red heart. I think there are three buttons to look at on the heart. It has a notation of "Volunteer art director of a monthly newspaper for Mars Hill Church".

desmom

02-29-2008, 05:28 PM

For those that are new to the board:

A link titled "Video: Click here to watch Christine Francisco's interview" with Greta Van Susteren is available on this page http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html#

Christine's interview with Nancy Grace is here: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/02/22/ng.nicholas.francisco.cnn

The transcript from Nancy Grace's show is available here (toward the bottom of the page): http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/21/ng.01.html

Nicholas' photo is listing under missing persons on CNN Nancy Grace's home page http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

field of snow

02-29-2008, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

A couple of people on this board heard from Stephanie, she said the matter of her husband disappearance is private, and that she doesn't know Nicholas or his family. [/*]

I know that is what she said... But what she says to random strangers contacting her via Myspace versus a fellow employee she knew might be different.

I think that the Costco/Viliamu connection to Nicholas is a long shot, but still very coincidental in details.

I'm still stuck on Christine's claim that she felt the baby (due in October) move. What the heck? Credibility out the window!

omsk99

02-29-2008, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by snowfield

I know that is what she said... But what she says to random strangers contacting her via Myspace versus a fellow employee she knew might be different.

I think that the Costco/Viliamu connection to Nicholas is a long shot, but still very coincidental in details.

I'm still stuck on Christine's claim that she felt the baby (due in October) move. What the heck? Credibility out the window! [/*]

When did she say that?

KindraLore

02-29-2008, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Musterion

Each person named is male.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a double standard in viewpoints of missing persons cases when the one left behind is a male or female.

Christine is a presumably pregnant woman with two small children. Her children and herself seem to be mostly dependent on Nicholas for their needs and material well being.

If we are going to compare the names given as examples then it may be good to take each situation and see if it is equal to Christine's case.

Were any of the men dependent on their wives, almost solely for finances? Were the men almost solely the caretakers for the children?

These may make more of a level playing field to evaluate and compare. [/*]
I agree with you and I do like your approach and posts btw.

I would like to put a case out there that is A LOT like this one. Google “John Delatte”. He too has a family (three children and a wife) and disappeared into thin air. His wife too is pregnant (6 months) AND he is the soul provider of the family, so they are getting concerned about the finances as well now.

soyesterday

02-29-2008, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Silver_Dove

I'm just trying to say it is hard to move someone around in their car with them driving, the bad guy driving or already having killed or hurt the person and leave no evidence. It would also be difficult to come up with a really likely way for the car to move without him in it.

Not likely that someone came up and grabbed him into another car and still bothered to drive his car.

I'm not saying he is a coward if that is what you thought because I don't believe he was taken with his car. [/*]

k yeah that's what i did think.....the coward part.......but i was so sure that i read it wrong!!!!
thank u for explaining it :)

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

When did she say that? [/*]

On the ETSY Board - I read it myself

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

I agree with you and I do like your approach and posts btw.

I would like to put a case out there that is A LOT like this one. Google “John Delatte”. He too has a family (three children and a wife) and disappeared into thin air. His wife too is pregnant (6 months) AND he is the soul provider of the family, so they are getting concerned about the finances as well now. [/*]

But the difference is, is that they are getting concerned about the finances NOW, right (months later)? Not less than 24 hours when he went missing.

Oh sorry I read it wrong - he just now went missing also.

omsk99

02-29-2008, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

On the ETSY Board - I read it myself [/*]

Thanks! I don't have kids, but assume that it's not possible, so early in the pregnancy? Why would she lie about it?..:confused:

murdershewrote

02-29-2008, 05:39 PM

Jennifer Kesse's car was left in a condo parking lot too, and pretty much wiped clean, I don't think LE ever found anything unusual or any prints.

isitme

02-29-2008, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Thanks! I don't have kids, but assume that it's not possible, so early in the pregnancy? Why would she lie about it?..:confused: [/*]

Sympathy perhaps? It helps to fuel the paypal account.

RainyNiteNTx

02-29-2008, 05:44 PM

Regarding the John DeLatte case, it says he disappeared during Mardi Gras after going to a bar. The thing with Nicholas disappearing is that he was headed straight home with a stop at the grocery store. Nothing else happened at that grocery store (whether it be Safeway or Costco) that night that has been reported - no attempted carjackings, muggings, robberies,etc.

KindraLore

02-29-2008, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

But the difference is, is that they are getting concerned about the finances NOW, right (months later)? Not less than 24 hours when he went missing.

Oh sorry I read it wrong - he just now went missing also. [/*]

Well I guess we all see things through our own filters because where a lot of you are stuck on this aspect, I just don't see it the same way.

As I have said before, I feel like a lot of people started that going more than Christine did. I think maybe she did panic and jump the gun about it because that is probably her type of personality. BUT I dont see her exploiting her husband's disappearance for money. And I dont see that as pointing to her as having something to do with his disappearance.

MOO.

field of snow

02-29-2008, 05:45 PM

I am having trouble finding the exact thread on Etsy where she claimed to feel the baby move, but I believe it something like "I felt the baby move and wanted to call Nicholas" (ummm..one of her perfectly timed posts mentioned earlier).

Looking...

KindraLore

02-29-2008, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Regarding the John DeLatte case, it says he disappeared during Mardi Gras after going to a bar. The thing with Nicholas disappearing is that he was headed straight home with a stop at the grocery store. Nothing else happened at that grocery store (whether it be Safeway or Costco) that night that has been reported - no attempted carjackings, muggings, robberies,etc. [/*]

Well obviously every case is different BUT DeLatte was in New Orleans with his family. He is from that area but moved when Katrina came. He went to Razzoo's to meet some old friends for A DRINK. He was not drunk and left around 11PM. He is a big family man as well. So yes, to me it is a lot like this case.