Nicholas Francisco 28, Seattle, 2-13-08 (car found)

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by homecrafter
Did anyone read this article about the church?
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/09/13/righteous/ [/*]

Thank you for bring that up homecrafter.

Ever since I read about this church and that they had resigned two days before his disappearance.. I wondered if their affiliation with that church didn't have something to do with the disappearance.

The church seems more cultish then I am comfortable with.

[desmom]

Night Huskiki and Sunday Moon.....

I am right behind you. The kids are raised, but I still like to drink coffee with Hubby in the morning.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Thank you for bring that up homecrafter.

Ever since I read about this church and that they had resigned two days before his disappearance.. I wondered if their affiliation with that church didn't have something to do with the disappearance.

The church seems more cultish then I am comfortable with. [/*]

I don't know how many siblings Nicholas has but I did notice that at least two of his sisters are Catholic. Just wondering if he grew up Catholic and then drifted away from it before they began going to Mars Hill at some point.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Night all! Must go to bed so I am ready to teach all day tomorrow. We had a snow day yesterday and a 2 hour delay today so I have to gear up for an actual full day...AAAAHHH!!! Hope there is more news tomorrow. [/*]

Good Luck and Bless You!

Goodnight!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I head that she did call around frantically trying to find out what was going on. She said that she had a bad feeling almost immediately but put it out of her head. When it got past 8.. she began to panic. [/*]

I had never heard that Mystry. Do you happen to know what article or interview it was in? That would be good if she did.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Nellie


I had never heard that Mystry. Do you happen to know what article or interview it was in? That would be good if she did. [/*]

I don't remember hearing that either, which isn't to say she didn't say it somewhere.

[Curiouser]

Nellie, (whispering) I think they all went to bed!

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Nellie


I had never heard that Mystry. Do you happen to know what article or interview it was in? That would be good if she did. [/*]

There was no article. That was just what I "heard" but you have to take it for what it is.. this person telling, this person, telling me, telling you.

[soyesterday]

phew i'm all caught up now....
there are a few other people on here that are new though...maybe we should check them out too!!!!

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


There was no article. That was just what I "heard" but you have to take it for what it is.. this person telling, this person, telling me, telling you. [/*]

There is so much of this that its hard to keep track of what is really true and what may be speculation.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by soyesterday
phew i'm all caught up now....
there are a few other people on here that are new though...maybe we should check them out too!!!! [/*]


OK, so what do you want to discuss?

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Curiouser
Nellie, (whispering) I think they all went to bed! [/*]

I am here.. isn't even 9 yet here. Although I have been on this site or reading everything I can about the case, pretty much all day... I should probably do something else.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I am here.. isn't even 9 yet here. Although I have been on this site or reading everything I can about the case, pretty much all day... I should probably do something else. [/*]

Its midnight here, the witching hour. My back is getting tired from sitting here so long (and my butt's probably getting wider from sitting here so long!!)

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Curiouser


There is so much of this that its hard to keep track of what is really true and what may be speculation. [/*]

Well.. I know for certain that she called at least one of his co workers.

I wasn't there so I have no idea how she was.. just their observation.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Curiouser


Its midnight here, the witching hour. My back is getting tired from sitting here so long (and my butt's probably getting wider from sitting here so long!!) [/*]

I know I think I could actually feel mine getting wider as I sat here all day.

Argh.. why can't this be exercise... then life would be perfect :D

[Nellie]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Well.. I know for certain that she called at least one of his co workers.

I wasn't there so I have no idea how she was.. just their observation. [/*]

Did she call him before she called the police?

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by Curiouser



OK, so what do you want to discuss? [/*]

I guess i wanna discuss WHY it doesn't seem they are doing more to find him.
Like alot of people have said on here if it was the wife missing, they'd be doing a heck of alot more searching!!!
I wanna also discuss the other missing man.
What the heck????

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by soyesterday


I guess i wanna discuss WHY it doesn't seem they are doing more to find him.
Like alot of people have said on here if it was the wife missing, they'd be doing a heck of alot more searching!!!
I wanna also discuss the other missing man.
What the heck???? [/*]

I just have to hope that they're doing more than we hear about. Christine hasn't posted lately on Etsy I don't think either, at least not with any info. She never did come back and say how her interview with the police last week went. She had talked about it quite a bit before but then nothing after, even though I think she was asked about it a few times. Also there seems to be no news, good or bad, about his cell phone records.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Nellie


Did she call him before she called the police? [/*]

I don't know that Nellie.

My own personal feelings would be that she did. Just thinking... I guess.. if it was me then I would be calling friends.. co workers.. etc.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by Curiouser


I just have to hope that they're doing more than we hear about. Christine hasn't posted lately on Etsy I don't think either, at least not with any info. She never did come back and say how her interview with the police last week went. She had talked about it quite a bit before but then nothing after, even though I think she was asked about it a few times. Also there seems to be no news, good or bad, about his cell phone records. [/*]

I wonder why she is so quiet right now.
In fact, why is everyone so quiet?
We're not even hearing from his family either.
Where is he???
Nick??? Where r u???? :(

[Danette44]

Good Morning Everyone - it's 6 am rise and shine :)

No news again this morning! I was reading back and someone said that people were taking "shifts", at Christina's house. I can see that if she is out looking for her husband, I can also understand support, but come on this lady isn't out looking anywhere, she couldn't even go to the vigil, just doesn't make sense as to WHAT she is doing to find her husband. They say she couldn't go to the vigil because she is pregnant......:confused:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Morning Danette and all

I just wrote a post and lost it - aargh - too early I guess.

Homecrafter - in regard to ETSY shutting down the C forums - there were 9 threads and there were some problems interspersed throughout, but the threads survived. It was only when a poster started a NEW thread about clues that both forums got shut down. Maybe it is coincidental?

[RainyNiteNTx]

I want to say one thing about the sugar and the cookies....maybe the cookies were sugar cookies you break off and pop in the oven and they were going to make their own icing like with powdered sugar and decorate the tops of them. That would have given them some more time if he got home by 7 with his commute and stopping at a big store like Costco. It still would have been tight to get the little girl to bed by 8.

[carterkatt]

Good morning all...

Speaking of sore backs and wider butts.... I think, in the name of solidarity, we should all bake cookies tonight, (For Nicholas!) and eat them while we post. I'll be bringing the chocolate chip ones....! (With ice-cold milk, of course!)

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by Danette44
Good Morning Everyone - it's 6 am rise and shine :)

No news again this morning! I was reading back and someone said that people were taking "shifts", at Christina's house. I can see that if she is out looking for her husband, I can also understand support, but come on this lady isn't out looking anywhere, she couldn't even go to the vigil, just doesn't make sense as to WHAT she is doing to find her husband. They say she couldn't go to the vigil because she is pregnant......:confused: [/*]

I wonder if maybe she might be on bedrest?
Since she had a miscarraige before, i wonder if she might be....
just a thought....i dunno

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Has anyone seen anything in the media lately concerning this case? I haven't...

How about Christine? Is she posting or blogging anywhere now? [/*]

I haven't seen any news articles on it - I looked this morning. Haven't seen her posting or blogging either.

I'm getting worried - even if Nicholas would leave her I can't see him leaving his children or letting his sisters search so valiantly for him while he watches. He does not seem like that type of guy (and yes, I know we've been duped before).

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I haven't seen any news articles on it - I looked this morning. Haven't seen her posting or blogging either.

I'm getting worried - even if Nicholas would leave her I can't see him leaving his children or letting his sisters search so valiantly for him while he watches. He does not seem like that type of guy (and yes, I know we've been duped before). [/*]

I agree. :(
I think he's gone.......
poor man
poor family

[bitsy555]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I haven't seen any news articles on it - I looked this morning. Haven't seen her posting or blogging either.

I'm getting worried - even if Nicholas would leave her I can't see him leaving his children or letting his sisters search so valiantly for him while he watches. He does not seem like that type of guy (and yes, I know we've been duped before). [/*]

Every day I keep thinking maybe this will be the day that he is found or he comes home. The longer this goes on and no news....it just doesn't look very good.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by soyesterday


I wonder if maybe she might be on bedrest?
Since she had a miscarraige before, i wonder if she might be....
just a thought....i dunno [/*]

Oh believe me...if she was on bedrest she woulda said so. Plus she went on tv shows and she was definately outta bed. She woulda told her Etsy group she was on bedrest, I'm sure. If it's going to garner more sympathy, she's going to tell, imo.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I haven't seen any news articles on it - I looked this morning. Haven't seen her posting or blogging either.

I'm getting worried - even if Nicholas would leave her I can't see him leaving his children or letting his sisters search so valiantly for him while he watches. He does not seem like that type of guy (and yes, I know we've been duped before). [/*]

I'm worried too....but then I remember what Beth Smith put her family through. She set up a whole new life for herself and not once did she call her mom and dad, a friend, no one. And she had two children too. So it happens. And it went on longer than this has so far.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by soyesterday


I wonder if maybe she might be on bedrest?
Since she had a miscarraige before, i wonder if she might be....
just a thought....i dunno [/*]

I wonder....did anyone ever see a family member mention the miscarriage?

Also, has anyone seen anything of her parents? I know his family was seen on tv. But I can't remember hearing anything about her family. Has anyone else? Do we know if she has living parents or siblings?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Has anyone seen anything in the media lately concerning this case? I haven't...

How about Christine? Is she posting or blogging anywhere now? [/*]

I haven't seen her blogging or posting anywhere since the "no news" comment. But, anyone with that much internet life WILL be on the internet, even just to read. I will say, though, while I was recuperating once from surgery I had no interest in the computer or internet, which was unusual for me. But I think she's interested in what people are saying, myself.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Curiouser


I just have to hope that they're doing more than we hear about. Christine hasn't posted lately on Etsy I don't think either, at least not with any info. She never did come back and say how her interview with the police last week went. She had talked about it quite a bit before but then nothing after, even though I think she was asked about it a few times. Also there seems to be no news, good or bad, about his cell phone records. [/*]

I did notice that their questions about how the interview with the police went unanswered. I understand that maybe she was advised not to talk about it, but she could have said SOMETHING to her many supporters and donators....even if it was to say, "I've been advised not to talk about it.".

I don't think much came out of the interview myself. Last I heard was they were checking the fingerprints in the car and checking his cell phone records....but NO results of either have come out.
Maybe they pointed to him leaving?????

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


I'm worried too....but then I remember what Beth Smith put her family through. She set up a whole new life for herself and not once did she call her mom and dad, a friend, no one. And she had two children too. So it happens. And it went on longer than this has so far. [/*]

The Beth Smith case is the only thing that give me hope that he is okay.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


I haven't seen her blogging or posting anywhere since the "no news" comment. But, anyone with that much internet life WILL be on the internet, even just to read. I will say, though, while I was recuperating once from surgery I had no interest in the computer or internet, which was unusual for me. But I think she's interested in what people are saying, myself. [/*]


Check out the last three posts on here...

http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5841#comment-116526

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


I wonder....did anyone ever see a family member mention the miscarriage?

Also, has anyone seen anything of her parents? I know his family was seen on tv. But I can't remember hearing anything about her family. Has anyone else? Do we know if she has living parents or siblings? [/*]

I think her sister was the one that said she needed money desperately, wasn't she? I wondered about her parents also.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Does anyone know....
If the PI that his company hired found him and he didn't want to go home for whatever reason, is the PI obligated to the company who is paying his fee to report where he is?

[desmom]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Does anyone know....
If the PI that his company hired found him and he didn't want to go home for whatever reason, is the PI obligated to the company who is paying his fee to report where he is? [/*]

Good Morning All!

I would think the PI would be obligated to report his findings to his employer - the company that hired him, but I do not think he would have to report his findings to LE unless a crime was involved.

Is it possible they did argue, NF walked out and CF panicked when he did not come home? Maybe it hit her, OMG he is not coming home, who is going to support me and the children, what am I going to do........

I do find some of CF's actions and comments suspect...as in she knows a lot more than she is telling about the events leading up to NF's disappearance. I think there is a lot more to this story than what has been reported by the media.

Because this story appears to be no longer a story the media is following, I think we have to consider NF may be another Beth Smith story and LE has given the media a heads-up. Someone stated earlier, it is not illegal for an adult to disappear.

jmo

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom


Good Morning All!

I would think the PI would be obligated to report his findings to his employer - the company that hired him, but I do not think he would have to report his findings to LE unless a crime was involved.


jmo [/*] <snipped>

Okay now I'm wondering if the PI and the company knew something like this, would they just continue to let LE waste resources looking for him. Just trying to figure out where accountability stops and starts and wondering if this is why the case has gone so quiet.

[dianaelaine]

Hi guys! :D

Not posting much, I'm still getting over a horrible cold and bronchitis.

So yeah, I just posted on the blog. I'm sure they'll LOVE to hear from me. LOL!

But I truly did just have the best in mind, when I started the Etsy thread. I'm not sure I feel bad or glad, that the other threads were shut down.

I don't really understand why they closed the 'prayer' thread ... that should have been able to stay up.

So about the case:

No news at all, nothing from CF at all.

Just can't figure this out ...

Diana

[huskiki]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


HAPPY BIRTHDAY to your little one!!!

I have a 5 year old and a 9 year old.. who both have an 8 o'clock bedtime.

I like making cookies with them and often after dinner will throw together a batch of cookies. It really doesn't take much time to make cookies. We can have them thrown together in 5-10 minutes.

That is just something that we enjoy doing. I wouldn't know if Christine did that or not but maybe because it was going to be a special occasion they were doing it that night. Maybe he had promised the daughter before hand and had put it off every night and said that he would make them with her that night. Who knows. [/*]

Thank You Mystry!

I guess because it's hard for me to do these things after dinner because I don't get home from work until after 5:00. Then it's dinner time, clean up time and my son likes to watch one of his shows to unwind. Next thing you know it's time for bath and bed. I usually do baking with the kids on the weekend. Everyone has their own schedules I guess.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by carterkatt
Good morning all...

Speaking of sore backs and wider butts.... I think, in the name of solidarity, we should all bake cookies tonight, (For Nicholas!) and eat them while we post. I'll be bringing the chocolate chip ones....! (With ice-cold milk, of course!) [/*]

:lol: I think that's a great idea!

[isitme]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Hi guys! :D

Not posting much, I'm still getting over a horrible cold and bronchitis.

So yeah, I just posted on the blog. I'm sure they'll LOVE to hear from me. LOL!

But I truly did just have the best in mind, when I started the Etsy thread. I'm not sure I feel bad or glad, that the other threads were shut down.

I don't really understand why they closed the 'prayer' thread ... that should have been able to stay up.

So about the case:

No news at all, nothing from CF at all.

Just can't figure this out ...

Diana [/*]

The prayer thread is still alive they have just renamed it "Keep Hope Alive".

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5491738

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Nellie


Oh believe me...if she was on bedrest she woulda said so. Plus she went on tv shows and she was definately outta bed. She woulda told her Etsy group she was on bedrest, I'm sure. If it's going to garner more sympathy, she's going to tell, imo. [/*]


Nellie, I agree 100%

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Whenever anyone is involved in foul play, they try hard to cover their tracks and hide evidence.

Leaving a car in a reserved parking space at an apartment complex is not hiding evidence.

I have reserved parking where I live and when anyone parks in some one's space, our management office is notified immediately. We have a towing enforce police !

It looks to me like whoever left the car knew the car would be immediately found and reported to police. With so many other suitable hiding places in that area, why this one?

There was a case recently where a car was left parked on a big retail parking lot for six months before it was discovered. Retail areas that never close are a perfect hiding place for a car. [/*]

So someone wanted the car to be found in your opinion?

[dianaelaine]

ISITME: Ah ok ... didn't know they started a new thread. Thanks.

BETH: Yes, that does seem strange, about parking the car where it would be found.

I'd think that if somebody was involved in foul play, they would 'hide' the car. Park it somewhere, where it wouldn't be found for some time, or not at all. Maybe even taking it apart ... etc. ?

So, wouldn't that tell us that the person driving the car .. NF or somebody else, wasn't concerned about it being spotted?

As for the car being at the gas station and storage unit, could have been another car, could have been mistaken. We're not sure on that, because we haven't heard anymore no this.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by grande
Regarding Viliamu Fale MSG from Kent Washington Since 02/14/08 >

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=140517#post140517 [/*]

Okay I'm confused on this - been trying to type something but work keeps getting in the way - still no pic of him?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by grande


That's his wife, who I will try and contact in the next 48 hours to find out the status of Viliamu's disappearance. [/*]

Thank you so much - the Washington registry had no picture - any way to get one out so people can look for him if he is still missing.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Okay I'm confused on this - been trying to type something but work keeps getting in the way - still no pic of him? [/*]


Work is getting in my way today too! Damn job :D

This map is interesting. I wonder if they knew each other, I wonder if Christine knows if they know each other. Maybe we're not hearing much on this guy because his wife feels as if he left on his own. This just adds more questions to the mix.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki



Work is getting in my way today too! Damn job :D

This map is interesting. I wonder if they knew each other, I wonder if Christine knows if they know each other. Maybe we're not hearing much on this guy because his wife feels as if he left on his own. This just adds more questions to the mix. [/*]

I knowwwwww - I get something typed and then they want me to do something here - can you imagine! LOL and then it doesn't make sense.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by grande


YW, I will try and get one. [/*]

Grande - are there any details about where he went missing - last time seen, etc?

[Track292003]

Originally posted by huskiki

[snipped]

...Maybe we're not hearing much on this guy because his wife feels as if he left on his own.... [/*]

I think there's a good chance of that!

After all, there must be a photo ID available through the Washington State DMV assuming he has a driver's license...and probably also for a work ID.

Seeing that map, Grande, made me realize for the first time that Nicholas and Mr. Fale actually live quite close to each other, given the size of the metropolitan area.

Thanks to all posting here for your good ideas.

[dianaelaine]

Why isn't Nick listed here?


http://tinyurl.com/3cf4jz

[MarieSM]

Hi everyone. I only posted a couple of times waaaay back on like page 14 or 15. I would like to reiterate, that I am an Etsy seller, but amNOT promoting my shop in any way, shape or form here. I mention it only to qualify that I can give a little insight as to what's been happening on Etsy forums with regards to this story. If my post offends you or you feel it's inappropriate, please just skip by it.


Etsy community has many people who jump to help anyone immediately when a plea for help is posted somewhere. Christine posted a thread asking for help in searching for her missing husband. People flocked to the thread to offer help.

Her sister conveyed to someone who asked what they could do to help, that they were in DESPERATE NEED OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT. That most certainly is a request for money.

Immediately instructions on how to deposit money in Christine's PayPal account were posted and the prayer vigil began. It has been asked and answered that NO ONE knows how much has been donated. NO ONE is overseeing any of this.

This small group, who in no way represent the Etsy community in general, would not allow anyone to post anything in their thread that questioned anything Christine said, did or didn't say or do. Christine has used that to her great advantage by strategically timing her posts and continuing the appearance of needing cash. She also is the one who brought to their attention, the blogs that were upsetting her, knowing full well what they would do. Run to her defense.

Then when someone tried to discuss the issue in their prayer thread, she was told to go start her own thread. When she did that, they came and posted in HER thread they thought it was inappropriate for her to do so and got the thread closed. Shortly after that, the support prayer thread was closed also. My suspicions are that Etsy admin couldn't out and out close the prayer vigil threads without causing a whole uproar so when the other thread about speculation started and went downhill, they closed it and that opened the door for them to close the other thread with the comment that the subject had become too divisive in the community and was inappropriate for their forums.

With regards to saying the kids were crying and crying, having meltdowns, I don't know why that would be happening unless someone told them horrible things they shouldn't know.

Sorry for the long post. I didn't mean to hijack. I just wanted to give a little insight into the Etsy aspect of this sad, sad situation.

I think the only appropriate thing for Christine to do now, is to ask people to stop donating so much money. Believe me, it is rolling in on a regular basis. She looks bad by keeping this going and focusing on herself when it's Nicholas the focus should be on.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Why isn't Nick listed here?


http://tinyurl.com/3cf4jz [/*]

:seeya: dianaelaine welcome to you!

IIRC The family has to register someone to be listed on the National Center for Missing Adults. If they don't then they aren't listed.

[Musterion]

Hi,

Here is a link to a My Space account that appears to be Stephanie L. Taulealea Fale.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=6372150

There is no mention of a missing husband. Last log in date was yesterday.

Here is a post to another My Space account from the same Stephanie L. Taulealea Fale.

http://us.profile.myspace.cn/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=4631730

Her posts are the 4th (posted Valentine's Day) and 12th (posted 18 February).

On the 18th she references Vili. By signing her name and his.

Several possibilities:

1)She doesn't seem to either know he is/was missing or care that he is/was missing.
2)He isn't and never was missing and someone reported him missing.
3)Different Stephanie and Viliamu

Interesting......

[dianaelaine]

I've been searching the web, and there are numerous sites where Nick COULD have been listed as missing, yet he's on none of these.

If it were me ... my husband would be on every ONE of them.

If he's alive and hiding ... he's somewhere. He's either staying with friends, relatives or alone in a motel or sleeping in a car.

He could have gone out of the country, but would have to use his passport for that.

Motels in the area should be checked.
Hostels, bed & breakfast, all that.

He has to be staying SOMEWHERE.

If it's foul play, then he's also somewhere and he would be harder to find.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Thanks for your insight Marie - :)

[desmom]

RE: Viliamu Fale

I have googled his name several times looking for any news links about his disappearance..nada. There are some links to message boards (this one and WS) and one to his employer.

Someone linked a site (yesterday, I think) re Viliamu is missing, but not much information. He is 5'9", weight is 310, he is 30 years old with brown eyes....

I have not been able to find anything about where he was last seen, any comments by LE or a photo.


:confused:

[desmom]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Thanks for your insight Marie - :) [/*]

Ditto!

[ThruTheTrees]

Hi all -- I'm new here. I live in Seattle and have been following this case quite avidly (ok, "obsessively" might be the better word!) since it first hit the news around Valentine's Day. I posted several times on the Seattle PI's "Sound-Off" on the related news stories during the first few days, and have also posted several times on the West Seattle Blog (as "Observer"). I see a few of the facts I've posted there have been repeated here, which makes me think some of my contributions/ideas may be somewhat valuable or interesting, so I thought I'd come out from "behind the trees" (hence the user name) and join the discussion and the attempt to see the "forest through the trees" as it were.

I was actually kind of relieved to learn about this board and the websleuths one because I was thinking maybe there was something a little odd about my obsessively looking for possible clues, connections, ideas, reasons, solutions to this case! It is reassuring to see that there are communities of people like this that are trying to figure out these mysteries and find clues to help solve them.

This case in particular grabbed my attention for several reasons -- the initial heart-wrenching emotional story of a young, handsome, loving father who disappears "into thin air" on his way home to bake Valentine's cookies with his 4-year-old; the fact that it happened right in my city where violence does occur with some regularlity (though the random, no-clues-left-behind type is not at all common); and the immediate Internet response, etc.

But after a few days and especially when the car was found, I was asking some of the same questions -- how do we know he was really coming home or whether that last phone call occurred? Why does every story we hear in the media and even LE seem to reflect everything that the wife is saying without question, when most certainly that would not be the case if this was a missing wife? Then there was the whole Etsy scenario, requests for money, the recent break from the church, the "3 kids" listed on Christine's profile, the other man that went missing the same day, the pre-warning that the cell phone was not working, etc. Basically all the things that have been discussed here and on other boards that make this a very intriguing case.

Anyway, that's why I'm here. I'll post separately some of my thoughts that I recently posted on the WSB in case there are ideas that others might want to discuss further.

*ThruTheTrees*

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom
RE: Viliamu Fale

I have googled his name several times looking for any news links about his disappearance..nada. There are some links to message boards (this one and WS) and one to his employer.

Someone linked a site (yesterday, I think) re Viliamu is missing, but not much information. He is 5'9", weight is 310, he is 30 years old with brown eyes....

I have not been able to find anything about where he was last seen, any comments by LE or a photo.


:confused: [/*]

Maybe Grande will report back with details if they have any.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
Hi all -- I'm new here. I live in Seattle and have been following this case quite avidly (ok, "obsessively" might be the better word!) since it first hit the news around Valentine's Day. I posted several times on the Seattle PI's "Sound-Off" on the related news stories during the first few days, and have also posted several times on the West Seattle Blog (as "Observer"). I see a few of the facts I've posted there have been repeated here, which makes me think some of my contributions/ideas may be somewhat valuable or interesting, so I thought I'd come out from "behind the trees" (hence the user name) and join the discussion and the attempt to see the "forest through the trees" as it were.

I was actually kind of relieved to learn about this board and the websleuths one because I was thinking maybe there was something a little odd about my obsessively looking for possible clues, connections, ideas, reasons, solutions to this case! It is reassuring to see that there are communities of people like this that are trying to figure out these mysteries and find clues to help solve them.

This case in particular grabbed my attention for several reasons -- the initial heart-wrenching emotional story of a young, handsome, loving father who disappears "into thin air" on his way home to bake Valentine's cookies with his 4-year-old; the fact that it happened right in my city where violence does occur with some regularlity (though the random, no-clues-left-behind type is not at all common); and the immediate Internet response, etc.

But after a few days and especially when the car was found, I was asking some of the same questions -- how do we know he was really coming home or whether that last phone call occurred? Why does every story we hear in the media and even LE seem to reflect everything that the wife is saying without question, when most certainly that would not be the case if this was a missing wife? Then there was the whole Etsy scenario, requests for money, the recent break from the church, the "3 kids" listed on Christine's profile, the other man that went missing the same day, the pre-warning that the cell phone was not working, etc. Basically all the things that have been discussed here and on other boards that make this a very intriguing case.

Anyway, that's why I'm here. I'll post separately some of my thoughts that I recently posted on the WSB in case there are ideas that others might want to discuss further.

*ThruTheTrees* [/*]

Welcome aboard :) Glad you found us.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Welcome aboard :) Glad you found us. [/*]

Thanks! :)

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Maybe Grande will report back with details if they have any. [/*]

We now have a pix of Viliamu Fale up

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3001

[ThruTheTrees]

FWIW, these are some perceptions I shared on the WSB regarding possible explanations for Christine's response to her husband disappearing. Just some things I've been thinking and wondering about... don't really know how we'd find the answers to these questions, except from people that know them well. And I doubt they will be posting here...

It’s clear from things she wrote before he disappeared, that she really loved this guy and this marriage and family meant a lot to her. But comments about how intertwined they were (”not knowing where one ends and one begins”) also speak to a deep level of codependency. Maybe he wanted to break free from that, after 7 years.

Considering that she had a miscarriage last year, has 2 small kids and is pregnant, and realizing that her life might change drastically if he has in fact left her, a lot of what she has said and how she has reacted might just be from grief (including denial) at realizing her perfect vision of marriage has ended, one way or another. Her own parents divorced when she was 10 and who knows how hard that was on her, or what the circumstances were (was it sudden and unexpected like Nicholas’s disappearance? did it cause financial hardship to her family?). And what kind of father did Nicholas have? We only hear from the mother and sisters. Did his father play a strong role in his life?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Thanks! :) [/*]

One thing stuck out in your post that has bothered me also - the prewarning of his cell phone not working. Seems too convenient. We've since learned that TMobile is one of his company's largest accounts so I would hazard to guess that he did have a car charger. I'd like to know simple things like that. Did he have a car charger? Is it missing also? Did he leave it at work/home? Did the cigarette lighter in his car not work so therefore the charger would have done no good? Just BASIC things.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees
Hi all -- I'm new here. I live in Seattle and have been following this case quite avidly (ok, "obsessively" might be the better word!) since it first hit the news around Valentine's Day. I posted several times on the Seattle PI's "Sound-Off" on the related news stories during the first few days, and have also posted several times on the West Seattle Blog (as "Observer"). I see a few of the facts I've posted there have been repeated here, which makes me think some of my contributions/ideas may be somewhat valuable or interesting, so I thought I'd come out from "behind the trees" (hence the user name) and join the discussion and the attempt to see the "forest through the trees" as it were.

I was actually kind of relieved to learn about this board and the websleuths one because I was thinking maybe there was something a little odd about my obsessively looking for possible clues, connections, ideas, reasons, solutions to this case! It is reassuring to see that there are communities of people like this that are trying to figure out these mysteries and find clues to help solve them.

This case in particular grabbed my attention for several reasons -- the initial heart-wrenching emotional story of a young, handsome, loving father who disappears "into thin air" on his way home to bake Valentine's cookies with his 4-year-old; the fact that it happened right in my city where violence does occur with some regularlity (though the random, no-clues-left-behind type is not at all common); and the immediate Internet response, etc.

But after a few days and especially when the car was found, I was asking some of the same questions -- how do we know he was really coming home or whether that last phone call occurred? Why does every story we hear in the media and even LE seem to reflect everything that the wife is saying without question, when most certainly that would not be the case if this was a missing wife? Then there was the whole Etsy scenario, requests for money, the recent break from the church, the "3 kids" listed on Christine's profile, the other man that went missing the same day, the pre-warning that the cell phone was not working, etc. Basically all the things that have been discussed here and on other boards that make this a very intriguing case.

Anyway, that's why I'm here. I'll post separately some of my thoughts that I recently posted on the WSB in case there are ideas that others might want to discuss further.

*ThruTheTrees* [/*]

Welcome ThruTheTrees. Glad you found us.

We have been following yours and the others post on the WSB and pi board. Can't wait to hear more of your thoughts and ideas.

You know what I find so strange about this whole thing is that we are talking about it.. couple of other sites are talking about it.. like the ones you are talking about but other sites have NOTHING on the case. The King and Komo sites have nothing on the case on their forums. A little on the Seattle Times but it just seems so strange that more aren't wondering what we are.

[AngS]

Originally posted by MarieSM
Hi everyone. I only posted a couple of times waaaay back on like page 14 or 15. I would like to reiterate, that I am an Etsy seller, but amNOT promoting my shop in any way, shape or form here. I mention it only to qualify that I can give a little insight as to what's been happening on Etsy forums with regards to this story. If my post offends you or you feel it's inappropriate, please just skip by it.


Etsy community has many people who jump to help anyone immediately when a plea for help is posted somewhere. Christine posted a thread asking for help in searching for her missing husband. People flocked to the thread to offer help.

Her sister conveyed to someone who asked what they could do to help, that they were in DESPERATE NEED OF FINANCIAL SUPPORT. That most certainly is a request for money.

Immediately instructions on how to deposit money in Christine's PayPal account were posted and the prayer vigil began. It has been asked and answered that NO ONE knows how much has been donated. NO ONE is overseeing any of this.

This small group, who in no way represent the Etsy community in general, would not allow anyone to post anything in their thread that questioned anything Christine said, did or didn't say or do. Christine has used that to her great advantage by strategically timing her posts and continuing the appearance of needing cash. She also is the one who brought to their attention, the blogs that were upsetting her, knowing full well what they would do. Run to her defense.

Then when someone tried to discuss the issue in their prayer thread, she was told to go start her own thread. When she did that, they came and posted in HER thread they thought it was inappropriate for her to do so and got the thread closed. Shortly after that, the support prayer thread was closed also. My suspicions are that Etsy admin couldn't out and out close the prayer vigil threads without causing a whole uproar so when the other thread about speculation started and went downhill, they closed it and that opened the door for them to close the other thread with the comment that the subject had become too divisive in the community and was inappropriate for their forums.

With regards to saying the kids were crying and crying, having meltdowns, I don't know why that would be happening unless someone told them horrible things they shouldn't know.

Sorry for the long post. I didn't mean to hijack. I just wanted to give a little insight into the Etsy aspect of this sad, sad situation.

I think the only appropriate thing for Christine to do now, is to ask people to stop donating so much money. Believe me, it is rolling in on a regular basis. She looks bad by keeping this going and focusing on herself when it's Nicholas the focus should be on. [/*]


Thank you for explaining all of this. I have been following this case, and have a lot of questions. At first, I was following it just out of concern for Nicholas, and then I started reading about this money thing and now I really want to see where this thing is going to end up.

A couple of things have been mentioned about Christina that I can offer some insight on. First, she was made to sound a little bit "henpecking" for asking Nicholas to pick up sugar after work. Someone said they felt sorry for him with his "honey-do" list. I am a SAHM of 4, and 3 months pregnant with #5. We live in the country, and my husband prefers to pick up things after work because he is already in town, rather than have me waste gas for a couple of things. He works right near the grocery store. I have been sick and so tired this pregnancy, and he helps enormously with things. Am I spoiled? YES! Is my husband henpecked? NO! True, I find it strange that Nicholas would come home and make cookies with the daughter, rather than Christina making them. I KNOW my hubby wouldn't do that and I would be afraid if he did!!!! HaHaHa. Still, if she feels as sick and tired as I do this pregnancy, she is lucky to get things done at all!

The money thing bothers me so much. If my hubby went missing, we would be in financial straits, being a one income household, but my family, and his family, would BEND OVER BACKWARD to take care of anything and everything we needed! My husband would be truly embarrased to have me asking for money from strangers. It just isn't in us to do such a thing. Maybe some people have no scrupples, I don't know, but I can tell you we wouldn't be grubbing money. If people gave my kids gifts, I wouldn't tell them to give money instead, and if there was a great deal of money that just kept flooding in, I would be too embarrased and ashamed to take it. I would get myself a job and take care of my OWN family. How many thousands of people have to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and do whatever it takes to make it? It is easy to expect other people to do it for you. For someone who claims to love God and have a strong Christian faith, she sure doesn't appear to be trusting in God ALONE to meet her families needs. I suppose it's easy to have "faith" when other peole are footing the bill.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by soldiermom
I don't know. This is all so very strange to me. He's here he's there, his car that way. No activity on credit or debit cards, atm cards, cell phone. and now she backs away from the media. gracious if it were me I would be bugging the snot out of t.v. and every newspaper radio stations whatever I could do to be heard and put his name and picture out there every single chance I could. I would scream it from the mountian top if I had to to be heard. But then that's just me I guess. [/*]


ITA!!!! Which makes her actions suspicious.

[soyesterday]

Does anyone know if the phone records from the house were checked at all?
Like showing that either she called him or he called her around 6pm the night he went missing?
On my phone, all you have to do is press "call id" and you can scroll back through the numbers to see who has called and when.
And i still really want to know if the storage place has been searched!!!!!!!!!!

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Musterion
Hi,

Here is a link to a My Space account that appears to be Stephanie L. Taulealea Fale.

[snip]

Several possibilities:

1)She doesn't seem to either know he is/was missing or care that he is/was missing.
2)He isn't and never was missing and someone reported him missing.
3)Different Stephanie and Viliamu

Interesting...... [/*]

This is very interesting, that she isn't acting at all like her husband is missing (or cares). Has to be the same one, especially with the hyphenated last name; can't imagine there being 2 couples with such identical names in the same area. I wonder if the PI that Nicholas's employer hired is still working on the case, and if he/she has contacted Mrs Fale. Maybe someone here with Myspace could contact her and see if she responds... Or is that too intrusive? I guess she just wouldn't answer though if she doesn't want to. Identifying a common church connection would certainly be interesting too. There are some Bible verses on her myspace, but I didn't see a church affiliation.

I do wonder whether the PI or LE monitors all these boards. There is a lot to keep up with, and it seems a new link to follow for discussions every day.

[Jpanda]

I know there are TONS of people now who are suspicious of Christine's actions, or lack thereof. So what are everyone's theories?

I personally am not sure if I'm suspicious of Christine, although I did a lot of research this morning and I can definitely see how people are getting some serious red flags about this case. I'm just not convinced yet that her story isn't adding up - for example, I don't think it's odd that they were going to bake cookies at night, or that she is worried about supporting herself and kids, etc. Who really knows why people do the things they do. I'm a really quirky girl with a lot of weird little hang-ups, and if someone started scrutinizing everything I did, I'm sure they would think I was a huge weirdo! So I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I'm thinking it's either one of two scenarios, and I'm very much hoping that I am right, and no harm has come to Nicholas.
1) He ran off and left his life for something/someone else. I know she keeps saying that he is a doting husband and father, but I suspect she feels like this is a real possibility, especially since she is concerned and sometimes appears even angry, about money. If I suspected my husband had left me, I would be pretty darn angry at him too.
2) They orchestrated this whole thing for money. The problem I have with this is I think if that were the case, would they really be continuing with this at this point? Now that the national media and law enforcement is involved, wouldn't they be now thinking that they are in over their heads and call the whole thing off? Unless they were professional scam artists or something, and I haven't heard anything that suggests that they are.

Another possibility is that he WAS abducted, or worse. This other missing man (Fale) is highly unusual too.

So basically, all my post is saying is that I have no idea. I'm interested in hearing everyone's theories, because that is what a message board is for, after all.

All JMO

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


One thing stuck out in your post that has bothered me also - the prewarning of his cell phone not working. Seems too convenient. We've since learned that TMobile is one of his company's largest accounts so I would hazard to guess that he did have a car charger. I'd like to know simple things like that. Did he have a car charger? Is it missing also? Did he leave it at work/home? Did the cigarette lighter in his car not work so therefore the charger would have done no good? Just BASIC things. [/*]
That is true TMobile is one of their big clients. My friend actually works on that account so I know that is fact.

I know that lots of people have said that he had a work provided cell phone but then it was reported that after Tmobile agreed to let them have the record.. Christine was the one that handed them over. So, I have to wonder if that was true about the work phone.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
My question is: Who reported Viliamu missing? His wife? Other family member? Friends? Because it doesn't seem that his wife cares all that much that he is nowhere to be found.

[/*]


Yes i agree!
On her myspace page, it says she logged in yesterday and her mood is "hungry"!!!
Nothing about her husband! :shrug:

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


This is very interesting, that she isn't acting at all like her husband is missing (or cares). Has to be the same one, especially with the hyphenated last name; can't imagine there being 2 couples with such identical names in the same area. I wonder if the PI that Nicholas's employer hired is still working on the case, and if he/she has contacted Mrs Fale. Maybe someone here with Myspace could contact her and see if she responds... Or is that too intrusive? I guess she just wouldn't answer though if she doesn't want to. Identifying a common church connection would certainly be interesting too. There are some Bible verses on her myspace, but I didn't see a church affiliation.

I do wonder whether the PI or LE monitors all these boards. There is a lot to keep up with, and it seems a new link to follow for discussions every day. [/*]

I have a myspace.. I don't have a problem sending her an email through the myspace. She can always ignore it if she wants to. I don't think that is too intrusive.

It said that she is presbyterian on her website.

I don't think I ever read what denomination the church that the Francisco's attended was.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


This is very interesting, that she isn't acting at all like her husband is missing (or cares). Has to be the same one, especially with the hyphenated last name; can't imagine there being 2 couples with such identical names in the same area. I wonder if the PI that Nicholas's employer hired is still working on the case, and if he/she has contacted Mrs Fale. Maybe someone here with Myspace could contact her and see if she responds... Or is that too intrusive? I guess she just wouldn't answer though if she doesn't want to. Identifying a common church connection would certainly be interesting too. There are some Bible verses on her myspace, but I didn't see a church affiliation.

I do wonder whether the PI or LE monitors all these boards. There is a lot to keep up with, and it seems a new link to follow for discussions every day. [/*]

She has been contacted about giving us a picture of Vili to add to our missing database.. we have not received an answer from her yet.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Curiouser


You know, we only have Christine's word for SOOO much of this, the sugar, the cookies, signing off, the money crisis, even Nicholas being missing. Maybe he isn't even missing! Maybe she has him tied up in the basement or something and took the car to Federal Way herself and then got back in a cab or on the bus or something. [/*]


Still catching up from yesterday but . . .

You Are So Right and her track record ain't lookin so bright . . .

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I have a myspace.. I don't have a problem sending her an email through the myspace. She can always ignore it if she wants to. I don't think that is too intrusive.

It said that she is presbyterian on her website.

I don't think I ever read what denomination the church that the Francisco's attended was. [/*]

Oh, thanks, I missed the Presbyterian part. The Franciscos attended a controversial church called Mars Hill Church, and had left it ("resigned" according to Christine) just 2 days before Nicholas disappeared. Nicholas's two sisters are both youth program leaders at 2 Catholic churches in Oregon, and at least one of them graduated from Gonzaga University. So it seems likely that he was brought up Catholic, FWIW.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I don't think I ever read what denomination the church that the Francisco's attended was. [/*]

Sorry, I have to take the time to read slower so I can give more accurate answers! You probably already knew that it was Mars Hill that they attended, but you were asking about its denomination, right? It is a "nondenominational" church -- i.e., not affiliated with any mainstream religion.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Danette44
[respecfully snipped]

How many people that are missing that family and friends do not attend their Vigil's? Even Scott Peterson attended Laci's.....ugh![/*]


My thoughts exactly and said as much in one of my posts yesterday. IIRC, they were also taking up a collection at the one prayer vigil that she stated she wouldn't be attending. Bet she didn't have a problem accepting that money!!!! MOO.

[homecrafter]

Viliamu is 30 years old... Correct? Nearly the same age as Nicholas....I find that interesting.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by huskiki


His office was also scent free. How does that happen? Could he just be a scent free kind of guy? Is it possible for a person not to leave a scent behind? [/*]


Sorry if this has already been stated (haven't gotten caught up yet) but MAYBE the article that was given to LE for his scent, didn't belong to him . . .

[field of snow]

Wow. I can finally post! Hello everyone!

I shared this with DianaElaine already, but I thought i'd see what you all thought:

If you Google "Nick Francisco", you get some different links than if you use the Nicholas he seems to be called. I have a Nicholas, whom we also call Nick, so it was natural for me to think of that.

Links that stand out are Online Poker Links. It's easier to see if search via Google:
"Nick Francisco" poker

Last game played as reported on SharkScope was Feb 3 I believe (I cannot confirm because I reached the max searches allowed for non-members -- you get 5 tries/day).

So maybe an online gambling addiction explains his PayPal Account being less than expected? And it might not be obvious why because these off-shore poker sites use not-so-obvious names when charging creditcards/accounts so the government doesn't pick up on it (illegal in US).

I'm just guessing....(obviously)

Also, if I was addicted to playing online poker, I'd make sure to keep my laptop with me if I ran away from a loanshark related to this gambling?

Or they came after him? These "organizations" are umm..mafia-ish and I am sure have pro hitmen who can make a clean scene. (or have I seen too many movies?)

Or it could be another Nick Francisco.

I don't think it was foul play though. Moo! Moo! Moo!

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Sorry, I have to take the time to read slower so I can give more accurate answers! You probably already knew that it was Mars Hill that they attended, but you were asking about its denomination, right? It is a "nondenominational" church -- i.e., not affiliated with any mainstream religion. [/*]

Oh ok.

I am completely intrigued by the whole church aspect of this case.

Is it just a coincidence that they resigned 2 days before he went missing? What was going on with that? From what I have read about that church.. it is very cultish in its beliefs.

[MarieSM]

Originally posted by soyesterday
Does anyone know if the phone records from the house were checked at all?
Like showing that either she called him or he called her around 6pm the night he went missing?
On my phone, all you have to do is press "call id" and you can scroll back through the numbers to see who has called and when.
And i still really want to know if the storage place has been searched!!!!!!!!!! [/*]

This is something I would love to know. There is no corroboration anywhere that anything she said happened actually occurred.

I would think that the only way someone could have taken him without leaving a trace would be if someone he knows lured him out of his car into theirs, under some pretext. Maybe a stranger could have done that, by asking for his help, but what motive could they have to go to those extremes? If he was going to Costco straight from work, where would he have been stopped to be carjacked or kidnapped?

It was rush hour, someone would have seen something if it was a random on the spot kidnapping along that route.

If anyone tried to take my hubby, even if they had a knife or a gun, there would have been a huge fight and some kind of evidence of a struggle would be evident. Especially, if as Christine says, he would do anything to get back to his family. He would have fought any kidnappers off.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by snowfield
Wow. I can finally post! Hello everyone!

I shared this with DianaElaine already, but I thought i'd see what you all thought:

If you Google "Nick Francisco", you get some different links than if you use the Nicholas he seems to be called. I have a Nicholas, whom we also call Nick, so it was natural for me to think of that.

Links that stand out are Online Poker Links. It's easier to see if search via Google:
"Nick Francisco" poker

Last game played as reported on SharkScope was Feb 3 I believe (I cannot confirm because I reached the max searches allowed for non-members -- you get 5 tries/day).

So maybe an online gambling addiction explains his PayPal Account being less than expected? And it might not be obvious why because these off-shore poker sites use not-so-obvious names when charging creditcards/accounts so the government doesn't pick up on it (illegal in US).

I'm just guessing....(obviously)

Also, if I was addicted to playing online poker, I'd make sure to keep my laptop with me if I ran away from a loanshark related to this gambling?

Or they came after him? These "organizations" are umm..mafia-ish and I am sure have pro hitmen who can make a clean scene. (or have I seen too many movies?)

Or it could be another Nick Francisco.

I don't think it was foul play though. Moo! Moo! Moo! [/*]


I came across that the other day too and wondered about it. I know that Internet gambling can be addictive and terribly expensive for some people and it could explain the PayPal thing too.

I've also wondered if he might have gotten into a situation like this where debtors might have even threatened his family... and if he is as devoted as everyone says, he might have left to somehow protect them? I'm not sure how that might play out exactly, but seems within the realm of possibility.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by MarieSM


This is something I would love to know. There is no corroboration anywhere that anything she said happened actually occurred.

I would think that the only way someone could have taken him without leaving a trace would be if someone he knows lured him out of his car into theirs, under some pretext. Maybe a stranger could have done that, by asking for his help, but what motive could they have to go to those extremes? If he was going to Costco straight from work, where would he have been stopped to be carjacked or kidnapped?

It was rush hour, someone would have seen something if it was a random on the spot kidnapping along that route.

If anyone tried to take my hubby, even if they had a knife or a gun, there would have been a huge fight and some kind of evidence of a struggle would be evident. Especially, if as Christine says, he would do anything to get back to his family. He would have fought any kidnappers off. [/*]

The lack of any evidence or witnesses to foul play is what I keep coming back to as well. Seattle is a highly populated place! The idea that something "random" could have happened out in the open and there would be no trace just isn't realistic IMO.

[field of snow]

I've also wondered if he might have gotten into a situation like this where debtors might have even threatened his family... and if he is as devoted as everyone says, he might have left to somehow protect them? I'm not sure how that might play out exactly, but seems within the realm of possibility.

Exactly. I'm afraid, however, I am thinking too much of a fictional movie plot, but then again, those movie plots come from somewhere. And where I live, that stuff has happened for other addictions (including gambling).

Unrelated --

The first time I saw a flickr account it was his and I noted right away that there wasn't that many photos of her. No big deal because I thought she was camera shy (I know I can be). But when it came out that she also had a flickr account, some of the same family pics were on it, including many of her. So not shy at all.

Just things i've noticed..

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by isitme


The prayer thread is still alive they have just renamed it "Keep Hope Alive".

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5491738 [/*]

Only 1 page and 5 posts though. Quite a slowdown from the past couple of weeks. Maybe people are just afraid it will get shut down again.

I did notice when a separate support blog was set up off of Etsy, there were not nearly as many posts there. It doesn't look like it would be difficult to post there, so I wonder if it is because of the lack of a direct Etsy marketing opportunity on the blog (though several posters there have linked to their Etsy site still)

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by EG~Lives
(Off Topic)

Do any of your remember the recent case where the young firl was found dead in the cemetary by her mother and LE and it was ruled homicide? I've searched but can't find it and I can't rememberf her name.


TIA! [/*]

Jodi Christine Parrack Constantine, MI

[Breazy]

Originally posted by sherryhefner

[respecfully snipped]

By 7pm, most 4-yr-old kids are in their PJ's and ready for bedtime soon. [/*]

No disrespect intended but this would definitely vary from family to family. On a normal day, after leaving work, picking up 4 yo from daycare, possibly stopping at grocery store, we're lucky to get home by 6:30 and still have to prepare and eat dinner, take bath, brush teeth, etc. We're lucky if she's in bed by 9:00. On the days that her brother has a high school baseball game, we don't get home until after 10:00 and she's not in bed before 11:00. On her dance class nights, it falls somewhere in between. Then she's back up at 6:00 a.m. to start over again. I know, a grueling schedule for a 4 yo but apparently she's adapted to this and doesn't affect her as much as another who may be not used to it.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Breazy


No disrespect intended but this would definitely vary from family to family. On a normal day, after leaving work, picking up 4 yo from daycare, possibly stopping at grocery store, we're lucky to get home by 6:30 and still have to prepare and eat dinner, take bath, brush teeth, etc. We're lucky if she's in bed by 9:00. On the days that her brother has a high school baseball game, we don't get home until after 10:00 and she's not in bed before 11:00. On her dance class nights, it falls somewhere in between. Then she's back up at 6:00 a.m. to start over again. I know, a grueling schedule for a 4 yo but apparently she's adapted to this and doesn't affect her as much as another who may be not used to it. [/*]

I agree.. I have a 5 year old and he is never in his pj's at 7 pm. I try to get him to bed around 8 but depends on what is going on at home. Plus.. this is a child that HAS to get up in the morning. Christine stayed home so her and the kids could sleep in.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Nellie


I wonder....did anyone ever see a family member mention the miscarriage?

Also, has anyone seen anything of her parents? I know his family was seen on tv. But I can't remember hearing anything about her family. Has anyone else? Do we know if she has living parents or siblings? [/*]

There were some photos of in her flickr account I think that showed "Nana" (if I'm remembering correctly) which I assumed was her mother, since I've seen Nicholas's mother on the interview and it didn't look like her. Though I could be wrong. Otherwise her sister Janel Fox is the only family member that has been mentioned.

If you do a google search on "Christine Ann Fox" (her married name), you can find a genealogy record that shows her parents' and siblings names. That's where I learned that her parents divorced when she was 10. I'd look it up but I really must head off to work here soon. Too many posts to reply to, and too little time. I'll be back tonight though for sure. :)

[ThruTheTrees]

"If you do a google search on "Christine Ann Fox" (her married name), "

===

of course you all figured out I am again typing too fast and meant to say her "maiden" name!

Also found a Facebook listing for her under that name -- maybe just connecting with high school classmates and I had my son login to his Facebook (I don't have one) to see and there was nothing listed under the actual profile.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Nellie
This is just a curiosity question. A poster over at Etsy says she is going to take a shift at Christine's house. A shift for what? :confused: What are people taking shifts to do? Is it a command center there at the house or what? I guess that confuses me somewhat and I'm just mostly curious what they would be doing. Any thoughts?

And I still have to ask. What about Nicholas??? Seems everyone is jumping through hoops to help Christine. What about this poor missing man?

[/*]


Yeah, I wonder that myself. This woman is so distraught that she cannot take care of her house and her children but she can continually monitor message boards? If she is so distraught that people have to take shifts to do these things, I believe medication should be considered, possibly an antidepressant . . .

[huskiki]

Originally posted by snowfield
Wow. I can finally post! Hello everyone!

I shared this with DianaElaine already, but I thought i'd see what you all thought:

If you Google "Nick Francisco", you get some different links than if you use the Nicholas he seems to be called. I have a Nicholas, whom we also call Nick, so it was natural for me to think of that.

Links that stand out are Online Poker Links. It's easier to see if search via Google:
"Nick Francisco" poker

Last game played as reported on SharkScope was Feb 3 I believe (I cannot confirm because I reached the max searches allowed for non-members -- you get 5 tries/day).

So maybe an online gambling addiction explains his PayPal Account being less than expected? And it might not be obvious why because these off-shore poker sites use not-so-obvious names when charging creditcards/accounts so the government doesn't pick up on it (illegal in US).

I'm just guessing....(obviously)

Also, if I was addicted to playing online poker, I'd make sure to keep my laptop with me if I ran away from a loanshark related to this gambling?

Or they came after him? These "organizations" are umm..mafia-ish and I am sure have pro hitmen who can make a clean scene. (or have I seen too many movies?)

Or it could be another Nick Francisco.

I don't think it was foul play though. Moo! Moo! Moo! [/*]

Hi snowfield and welcome :seeya:

This is very interesting and I will have to some google searches. Do you guys remember Beth saying a few pages back something along the lines of if Christine knew about this she would kill me. It ties into this I think.

[field of snow]

The more I think about it...(maybe I shouldn't think?)

She realizes she is pregnant with #3 in late Jan/early feb.

His Etsy shop was new on Feb 03.

She opened a new shop on Feb 1.

They quit the church, which I am sure required regular tithing by members.

First Etsy comments related to his disappearance focus a lot on needing money. Followed by donations up on the ying yang.

Her comment about his paypal account and finances.

I point back to my find regarding Nick Francisco on Poker websites. There could be other names not known, too.

I do believe this is all about M-O-N-E-Y one way or another. Moo, of course. :)

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Danette44
Good Morning Everyone - it's 6 am rise and shine :)

No news again this morning! I was reading back and someone said that people were taking "shifts", at Christina's house. I can see that if she is out looking for her husband, I can also understand support, but come on this lady isn't out looking anywhere, she couldn't even go to the vigil, just doesn't make sense as to WHAT she is doing to find her husband. They say she couldn't go to the vigil because she is pregnant......:confused: [/*]


Thank God I've finally made it to the current day at least. :lol: Couldn't attend the vigil because she's pregant . . . WTH kinda excuse is that?!?

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Jpanda
I know there are TONS of people now who are suspicious of Christine's actions, or lack thereof. So what are everyone's theories?

I personally am not sure if I'm suspicious of Christine, although I did a lot of research this morning and I can definitely see how people are getting some serious red flags about this case. I'm just not convinced yet that her story isn't adding up - for example, I don't think it's odd that they were going to bake cookies at night, or that she is worried about supporting herself and kids, etc. Who really knows why people do the things they do. I'm a really quirky girl with a lot of weird little hang-ups, and if someone started scrutinizing everything I did, I'm sure they would think I was a huge weirdo! So I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I'm thinking it's either one of two scenarios, and I'm very much hoping that I am right, and no harm has come to Nicholas.
1) He ran off and left his life for something/someone else. I know she keeps saying that he is a doting husband and father, but I suspect she feels like this is a real possibility, especially since she is concerned and sometimes appears even angry, about money. If I suspected my husband had left me, I would be pretty darn angry at him too.
2) They orchestrated this whole thing for money. The problem I have with this is I think if that were the case, would they really be continuing with this at this point? Now that the national media and law enforcement is involved, wouldn't they be now thinking that they are in over their heads and call the whole thing off? Unless they were professional scam artists or something, and I haven't heard anything that suggests that they are.

Another possibility is that he WAS abducted, or worse. This other missing man (Fale) is highly unusual too.

So basically, all my post is saying is that I have no idea. I'm interested in hearing everyone's theories, because that is what a message board is for, after all.

All JMO [/*]

IMO, I think that #1 is the most likely scenario. Not only because of the lack of evidence for anything else, but because of what you pointed out -- Christine's anger. Her comments about "he's not a coward" came across to me as what others have noted already -- almost a challenge to him like "hey, don't be a coward and leave us here all alone". The "my sweet husband was shielding me from some debt" is another reason for her to be angry. And her early posts to Etsy when one of the weblinks wasn't working or had some sort of virus alert (I don't remember if I saw that exchange posted on this board or websleuths) was another insight into her anger. Plus the way she is not shielding her kids from it at all it seems.

I've thought of the scam angle too, but I can't see that the guy would do that to his mom, sisters, co-workers & friends. Unless they were going to go all the way with the scam and make it appear he's dead and collect on life insurance. Because whatever $$ she's gotten in donations, I'm sure he could have earned through a few freelance graphic design contracts over a few months time. And, how would they conclude such a scam? He miraculously shows up with a story of amnesia or a nervous breakdown? It won't be believable now. They join up in some other town and start a new life? Won't be possible without lots of people knowing. No plausible "exit strategy" for such a scam that I can see...

[cog1]

I noticed that Fale's wife works at Costco. Has anyone thought of a link regarding Nicholas?

Just curious with the dates of the disappearences so close. :shrug:

[huskiki]

Originally posted by snowfield
The more I think about it...(maybe I shouldn't think?)

She realizes she is pregnant with #3 in late Jan/early feb.

His Etsy shop was new on Feb 03.

She opened a new shop on Feb 1.

They quit the church, which I am sure required regular tithing by members.

First Etsy comments related to his disappearance focus a lot on needing money. Followed by donations up on the ying yang.

Her comment about his paypal account and finances.

I point back to my find regarding Nick Francisco on Poker websites. There could be other names not known, too.

I do believe this is all about M-O-N-E-Y one way or another. Moo, of course. :) [/*]

I did a little looking around for Nick Francisco and found a 20 year old from the Philippines. I can't tell if this is the poker guy or if Nicholas is the poker guy.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by huskiki


I did a little looking around for Nick Francisco and found a 20 year old from the Philippines. I can't tell if this is the poker guy or if Nicholas is the poker guy. [/*]

If it IS this Nicholas, that really worries me....makes me think that MAYBE he got himself into a large gambling debt, and maybe ran into trouble that way. Maybe Christine suspected that, and that could be why she's allowing all the money donations....:shrug:

JMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Oh ok.

I am completely intrigued by the whole church aspect of this case.

Is it just a coincidence that they resigned 2 days before he went missing? What was going on with that? From what I have read about that church.. it is very cultish in its beliefs. [/*]

That aspect of this really spooks me but it is something that should be looked into by that PI.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by soyesterday


I wonder if maybe she might be on bedrest?
Since she had a miscarraige before, i wonder if she might be....
just a thought....i dunno [/*]

Possibly. But I must say . . . poor woman if that's the case.

[field of snow]

Originally posted by huskiki


I did a little looking around for Nick Francisco and found a 20 year old from the Philippines. I can't tell if this is the poker guy or if Nicholas is the poker guy. [/*]


I saw that too on Friendster. At first I thought it was Seattle Nick, but I saw the age and slightly different nose/face.

[desmom]

Originally posted by homecrafter
Did anyone read this article about the church?
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/09/13/righteous/ [/*]

I read this last night when Homecrafter posted the link, but today's posts got me to thinking.

From the above link:

Following Driscoll's biblical reading of prescribed gender roles, women quit their jobs and try to have as many babies as possible.


What if Christine was following Driscoll's "prescribed gender roles" and trying "to have as many babies as possible" without Nicholas' knowledge? On Nicholas' birthday, she tells them are expecting their 3rd child. If this was total surprise (as in he was not aware they were trying to have a 3rd child), it may have caused some friction in their relationship.

Christine would have brought up the church's teachings, Nicholas may have said they could not support "as many babies as possible".

A couple of days before Nicholas disappears, they resign from the church. Did their resignation have anything to do with Driscoll's prescribed gender role?

I could see a "surprise, I am pregnant" causing some serious relationship problems.

jmo

[RainyNiteNTx]

Okay I got behind on the pages, but welcome Snowfield :)

[cog1]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon


Yes, that has been on my mind all along. I have been coming back to that since I started following this case. I think they could be connected. [/*]

Hi Sunday :seeya: ,
I'm not as up on the Fale disappearence as some of you. Is he really missing? Do we know for sure? Since the wife is not mentioning it I just wonder what is up with that?

It appears from her myspace, that she must make up the schedule for employees. I saw that one of her friends asked if she could give her her hours for work.

Wondering if this is some how connected??

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
NO, this case is far darker and nastier than it appears. [/*]

Hi Beth -- I'm new here but read this yesterday and was curious to hear more of your insights and/or any elaboration on this, if anything else has come to you?

TIA!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


IMO, I think that #1 is the most likely scenario. Not only because of the lack of evidence for anything else, but because of what you pointed out -- Christine's anger. Her comments about "he's not a coward" came across to me as what others have noted already -- almost a challenge to him like "hey, don't be a coward and leave us here all alone". The "my sweet husband was shielding me from some debt" is another reason for her to be angry. And her early posts to Etsy when one of the weblinks wasn't working or had some sort of virus alert (I don't remember if I saw that exchange posted on this board or websleuths) was another insight into her anger. Plus the way she is not shielding her kids from it at all it seems.

(snipped)

What I can't figure out is how sweet she comes across on one forum and then is at people's throats on another forum. I understand being angry about the situation, scared, unsure, vulnerable and a host of other emotions, but you do not want to alienate the public. She lashed out at 2 or 3 people over on West Seattle Blog. Her temper floored me.

[desmom]

I see we have several new members that have come out of lurkdom.

I don't want to miss anyone so, I will give A Big Welcome to the InSession message boards.


Psst....I remembered we are InSession and no longer CTV. :D

[desmom]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Cog1, that's been fuzzy for me as well. I had posted the question about who reported him missing but either no one knows the answer or the posts are going to fast that no one saw the question! The wife has apparently made no mention of her missing husband on MySpace and there is little public info to go on so his disappearance is very sketchy. That's a whole other mystery but it IS very coincidental that two men would go missing at the same time, near the same place, and the wife works at the same Costco Nick was supposed to go to. Can't get all that out of my mind. [/*]

I have googled his name several times and I cannot find any news reports.

I don't think anyone is ignoring the posts. I don't think anyone knows the answer.

:shrug:

[field of snow]

Thanks for the welcomes! :) I have been lurking, but it took awhile for my account to be activated. I may have had a CTV account long ago, but heck if I could remember what it was.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom


I have googled his name several times and I cannot find any news reports.

I don't think anyone is ignoring the posts. I don't think anyone knows the answer.

:shrug: [/*]

Thats right desmom - we are hoping Grande comes back with additional details (if known)

[MarieSM]

Originally posted by Breazy


Possibly. But I must say . . . poor woman if that's the case. [/*]

I have to say from the way she has been strategically posting her comments in the prayer threads and the types of comments she has posted, she would have made sure everyone knew she was on bed rest if that indeed were the case.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Good morning!

My students are in Gym (I am a special ed. teacher) so I took a few minutes with a fresh cup of coffee to catch up here.

This entire case is just so weird. I noticed that Christine was all over the airwaves the first few days, where is she now? Is it HER decision not to go on TV or do the media not want to deal with this anymore? Are the police against it? If it were my husband I would be calling every TV show from Nancy to Greta and going on my local news to shout it from the rooftops. Even if I had the idea my husband left voluntarily I would be on there to plead for him to at least CALL someone to say he's ok. I don't know if she's tried and has been rebuffed, I am just speculating. But this is just so....strange. The Etsy board, the cult-like church connection, the missing man in the same area, the shameless solicitation for donations......very odd and nothing is adding up for me. I noticed a post from the blog Rainy linked to that someone said Christine didn't attend the vigil because she is pregnant. If this is true then....huh? She's all of 7 weeks pregnant and can't go to a vigil? I work with a girl who is due in about 2 weeks and she teaches first graders! Maybe she's angry and doesn't WANT him to come home at this point? I can't make sense of any of this. I just wish we had more info to go on! [/*]


Great post! I couldn't have stated it better myself!!!! :beer: (Pepsi)

[huskiki]

I just sent a message to Viliamu's wife's myspace. I'll let you know if she responds.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MarieSM


I have to say from the way she has been strategically posting her comments in the prayer threads and the types of comments she has posted, she would have made sure everyone knew she was on bed rest if that indeed were the case. [/*]

Marie - I've seen you reference her posting strategically twice. Are you talking about she would come on at times when she knew activity would be low so she wouldn't have to answer any questions?

[cog1]

Originally posted by huskiki
I just sent a message to Viliamu's wife's myspace. I'll let you know if she responds. [/*]

Thank you Huskiki!!!!!

[truecrimejunkie]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Sorry, I have to take the time to read slower so I can give more accurate answers! You probably already knew that it was Mars Hill that they attended, but you were asking about its denomination, right? It is a "nondenominational" church -- i.e., not affiliated with any mainstream religion. [/*]

where did you read that christine's parents divorced? just curious!

[desmom]

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie


where did you read that christine's parents divorced? just curious! [/*]

ThruTheTrees posted about searching Christine's name in this post:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?postid=11308367#post11308367

[Breazy]

Originally posted by AngS



Thank you for explaining all of this. I have been following this case, and have a lot of questions. At first, I was following it just out of concern for Nicholas, and then I started reading about this money thing and now I really want to see where this thing is going to end up.

A couple of things have been mentioned about Christina that I can offer some insight on. First, she was made to sound a little bit "henpecking" for asking Nicholas to pick up sugar after work. Someone said they felt sorry for him with his "honey-do" list. I am a SAHM of 4, and 3 months pregnant with #5. We live in the country, and my husband prefers to pick up things after work because he is already in town, rather than have me waste gas for a couple of things. He works right near the grocery store. I have been sick and so tired this pregnancy, and he helps enormously with things. Am I spoiled? YES! Is my husband henpecked? NO! True, I find it strange that Nicholas would come home and make cookies with the daughter, rather than Christina making them. I KNOW my hubby wouldn't do that and I would be afraid if he did!!!! HaHaHa. Still, if she feels as sick and tired as I do this pregnancy, she is lucky to get things done at all!

The money thing bothers me so much. If my hubby went missing, we would be in financial straits, being a one income household, but my family, and his family, would BEND OVER BACKWARD to take care of anything and everything we needed! My husband would be truly embarrased to have me asking for money from strangers. It just isn't in us to do such a thing. Maybe some people have no scrupples, I don't know, but I can tell you we wouldn't be grubbing money. If people gave my kids gifts, I wouldn't tell them to give money instead, and if there was a great deal of money that just kept flooding in, I would be too embarrased and ashamed to take it. I would get myself a job and take care of my OWN family. How many thousands of people have to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and do whatever it takes to make it? It is easy to expect other people to do it for you. For someone who claims to love God and have a strong Christian faith, she sure doesn't appear to be trusting in God ALONE to meet her families needs. I suppose it's easy to have "faith" when other peole are footing the bill. [/*]


Good Post. I totally agree!!!

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie


where did you read that christine's parents divorced? just curious! [/*]

I saw that on a genealogy record online last week. Not finding it now -- quite possibly it has been removed since I posted that on WSB last week. Kinda makes you think people read these things, hmm... It showed Christine's DOB, and her twin brother and sister's, date of her marriage to Nicholas (Jan 27 2001), and her brother's marriage later the same year, along with her parents info and that they divorced in 1990. I'll see if I bookmarked the link or PDFed it.

[MarieSM]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Marie - I've seen you reference her posting strategically twice. Are you talking about she would come on at times when she knew activity would be low so she wouldn't have to answer any questions? [/*]

Her timing seemed planned when the thread hadn't been posted in for a few minutes or it looked like people were talking about something other than her, she would pop in with a one liner. Like a little tidbit just to keep people focused on her. Then there would be 3 pages of posts directed to her personally. Like "Oh, Christine, you are so strong." "Oh, Christine, we are here for you. You are amazing."

I understand wanting to hear encouraging words when going through something like this, but it comes off as manipulative to me. Maybe I've reading too much into it, but it was brought up in another forum I belong to who were talking about this.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by AngS





A couple of things have been mentioned about Christina that I can offer some insight on. First, she was made to sound a little bit "henpecking" for asking Nicholas to pick up sugar after work. Someone said they felt sorry for him with his "honey-do" list. I am a SAHM of 4, and 3 months pregnant with #5. We live in the country, and my husband prefers to pick up things after work because he is already in town, rather than have me waste gas for a couple of things. He works right near the grocery store. I have been sick and so tired this pregnancy, and he helps enormously with things. Am I spoiled? YES! Is my husband henpecked? NO! True, I find it strange that Nicholas would come home and make cookies with the daughter, rather than Christina making them. I KNOW my hubby wouldn't do that and I would be afraid if he did!!!! HaHaHa. Still, if she feels as sick and tired as I do this pregnancy, she is lucky to get things done at all!

[/*] (snipped)

AngS - that was me that said I felt sorry for him :) I do, something about his pic just tugs at my heart.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by desmom


I have googled his name several times and I cannot find any news reports.

I don't think anyone is ignoring the posts. I don't think anyone knows the answer.

:shrug: [/*]

I think it was on Greta, Christine said she had reported him missing (I assume you are talking about Nicholas?). The other missing man from that area was also reported missing by his wife, I read.

[MarieSM]

I agree, RainyNiteNTx. I look at his smiling face in the pictures and I feel so bad that something bad could have happened to him. I feel badly that so much of the discussions on this case are now focused on Christine, instead of finding Nicholas, which is largely due to she bringing that attention onto herself.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by MarieSM


I have to say from the way she has been strategically posting her comments in the prayer threads and the types of comments she has posted, she would have made sure everyone knew she was on bed rest if that indeed were the case. [/*]


I think you're right.

[Breazy]

WWHHEEEEWWWW! Finally caught up. I just wanted to say a big welcome to all the new posters. New thoughts and ideas are always welcome. Gotta go do payroll and then leave to take son to dentist so I guess I'll be playing catch-up again. Seems I'm always behind . . . :lol:

:rose: Prayers that Nicholas is safe somewhere . . .

[Musterion]

Perspectives.

Christine may have benefited, in hindsight, to say she was a WAHM. Not 'just' a SAHM.

Six hundred sales in one year from an on-line business average over 1.5 sales per day. (Approximating from info that's been given).

It doesn't sound like she was looking to Nicholas for complete financial support. It sounds like she worked.

Maybe Nicholas got up with the children because Christine filled orders at night and she needed the rest in the morning before he went to work.

Maybe one of the little ones is a frequent night waker and Christine is up with them through the night (much like my little one was). Maybe that's why Nicholas got up with the children in the morning.

Maybe Nicholas brought her coffee in the morning because Christine was filling orders before he went to work and he took that time to help her and to be with the children.

Maybe Christine did devotions in the morning before Nicholas left for work and he wanted her to have a nice cup of coffee and some quiet time with God before the chaos of the day with two small ones.

Christine seems to have a big personality. She seems full of life and very sanguine. She most likely has been in overwhelm and shock. Anger may be normal in a situation like this with a perceived personality like that. Her loyalty and belief in her husband can be looked at as admirable.

Maybe staying home and by the phone are the best places to be in case Nicholas comes home or calls.

The most riveting piece may be that they resigned, formally, from their church two days before he disappeared. Riveting because a man, knowing he was leaving (a man said to be as kind and caring and thoughtful as Nicholas) may more than likely not cut off a huge support network for his wife or his children.

Just perspectives.

[truecrimejunkie]

Originally posted by Musterion
Perspectives.

Christine may have benefited, in hindsight, to say she was a WAHM. Not 'just' a SAHM.

Six hundred sales in one year from an on-line business average over 1.5 sales per day. (Approximating from info that's been given).

It doesn't sound like she was looking to Nicholas for complete financial support. It sounds like she worked.

Maybe Nicholas got up with the children because Christine filled orders at night and she needed the rest in the morning before he went to work.

Maybe one of the little ones is a frequent night waker and Christine is up with them through the night (much like my little one was). Maybe that's why Nicholas got up with the children in the morning.

Maybe Nicholas brought her coffee in the morning because Christine was filling orders before he went to work and he took that time to help her and to be with the children.

Maybe Christine did devotions in the morning before Nicholas left for work and he wanted her to have a nice cup of coffee and some quiet time with God before the chaos of the day with two small ones.

Christine seems to have a big personality. She seems full of life and very sanguine. She most likely has been in overwhelm and shock. Anger may be normal in a situation like this with a perceived personality like that. Her loyalty and belief in her husband can be looked at as admirable.

Maybe staying home and by the phone are the best places to be in case Nicholas comes home or calls.

The most riveting piece may be that they resigned, formally, from their church two days before he disappeared. Riveting because a man, knowing he was leaving (a man said to be as kind and caring and thoughtful as Nicholas) may more than likely not cut off a huge support network for his wife or his children.

Just perspectives. [/*]

THANK YOU! As a stay at home mom who depends A LOT on my husband, I have had a really hard time with all the judgement directed at Christine. I'm sure she is imperfect - as is Nicholas - but come on! I can barely get stuff around the house done with 2 kids and one on the way - let alone find time to "off" my husband!

[huskiki]

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie


THANK YOU! As a stay at home mom who depends A LOT on my husband, I have had a really hard time with all the judgement directed at Christine. I'm sure she is imperfect - as is Nicholas - but come on! I can barely get stuff around the house done with 2 kids and one on the way - let alone find time to "off" my husband! [/*]


I don't think anyone here thinks Christine "offed" her husband.

[truecrimejunkie]

Originally posted by huskiki



I don't think anyone here thinks Christine "offed" her husband. [/*]

i think i'll go back to lurking, it seems everything i post is misunderstood.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie


i think i'll go back to lurking, it seems everything i post is misunderstood. [/*]

I'm sorry, what did you mean then?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki



I don't think anyone here thinks Christine "offed" her husband. [/*]

Yep I missed that post also.

[soldiermom]

Originally posted by MarieSM
I agree, RainyNiteNTx. I look at his smiling face in the pictures and I feel so bad that something bad could have happened to him. I feel badly that so much of the discussions on this case are now focused on Christine, instead of finding Nicholas, which is largely due to she bringing that attention onto herself. [/*]I totally agree, seeing his smiling face just tears my heart out. It's like "poof" and he's gone. No one seems to know anything of importance or they're not telling the public anyway. I just can't imagine if it were me in this situation. I too believe that the wife is most likely grief stricken and maybe dealing with it the only way she knows how. However it just doesn't seem to be about her dear husband who is missing more about poor pitiful me. And yes while it is an awful situation for the life of me I just don't understand why she isn't beating the doors down to find him. even if she thinks he walked out on her, why not get on t.v. and plead for him to please let someone know he's o.k. Something to the effect "If you can hear me please call someone, not for me but for the children, your family"

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by truecrimejunkie


i think i'll go back to lurking, it seems everything i post is misunderstood. [/*]

Don't go back to lurking! Eevryone's thoughts and opinions are welcome here. Sometimes it's hard to understand what people are really trying to say when it's through a computer screen - no biggie!

Stick around! :seeya:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Musteriron - very nice post - however Nicholas free lanced at night in addition to his full time day job. Maybe he would have like to have had a cup of coffee brought to HIM. Nicholas is the one that is missing - not Christine, yet everything is about her.

Come home safe Nicholas.

:rose:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Beth - I PMed you with a question - could you check it please. TY

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Okay everybody......let's get along.

No one thinks Christine killed her husband.

It's just that she isn't acting like we all think she should, seems a little overbearing and selfish.....and we don't like her behavior and we really don't like her very well. We also are trying to study and understand her behavior because it is such a puzzle.

We are not critizing her lifestyle as a mother, wife and business person, but how she is acting in these various situations.

No one here is against stay at home moms, or religion or web based businesses. It's just that scene that is painted here. [/*]

That's right Beth, I don't have one thing against stay at home moms. It's one of the hardest jobs to have. Could I do it, no. I have to work out side of the house a.) because I have to and *.) I would go nuts staying at home. I just said that I didn't think anyone here thinks Christine killed her husband. I wasn't criticizing anyone's post, I'm sorry if it sounded that way.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Okay everybody......let's get along.

No one thinks Christine killed her husband.

It's just that she isn't acting like we all think she should, seems a little overbearing and selfish.....and we don't like her behavior and we really don't like her very well. We also are trying to study and understand her behavior because it is such a puzzle.

We are not critizing her lifestyle as a mother, wife and business person, but how she is acting in these various situations.

No one here is against stay at home moms, or religion or web based businesses. It's just that scene that is painted here. [/*]

I will again refer to Ed Smart. People said he was gay - said Elizabeth looked miserable in his pictures so she ran away - said Ed's brother was in charge of the family - Ed's wife never spoke - wondered why Ed did not badger Mary Catherine about who she saw in the room - this went on for a year. Ed never tried to defend and never blasted the public - he knew that publicity was the best chance of people remembering Elizabeth. He was right. I just do not understand why this case is an exception - people will speculate and theorize.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by onederwomyn
This is kind of off topic (or not depending on how you look at it)...but does anyone else read boards like this and think "if anyone goes missing in my life I am so screwed?" I am not sure whether Christine had anything to do with this or not and I absolutely understand the sleuthing and speculation. I do know that if it ever happens to me though, people will find all sorts of crap about me dating back to like the inception of the internet. I can guarantee you that I would not be guilty of anything, but a lot of the stuff people would find about me (or anyone really) could be twisted in such a manner to make anyone look bad.

And look...the above paragraph would probably be used against me too;)

I am not sure what my point is....just that I know I would be screwed;) [/*]

I'd be screwed too. My family makes fun of me and my internet habits. I've some strange searches trying to solve mysteries and if my husband went missing....those searches coud definately be used against me. LOL!

I know what you're saying.

And I've found myself wondering if Christine posted on message boards BEFORE Nicholas went missing. I've asked Etsy members if she was an active member on the board before, but haven't received an answer. I'd find it interesting if she had never been involved in the message board previously. I'm active on several message boards and know people get close and try to help each other. But if she was never anyone that they all knew and became close to....and she never posted there before......then it surprises me that she'd turn to a community that she never really communicated with before. I would have thought she would have been posting on Mars Hill board rather than Etsy....that is, IF she wasn't an active member before.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Just a notice here.

Beth Engleman will be off line until tomorrow. I have to be away from the computer until tomorrow morning due to work.

For all of you who have written, I will answer then. [/*]

Thank You Beth!

[RainyNiteNTx]

West Seattle Blog...

Hi all. It’s been quite some days without any significant information and this thread has long since outlived its usefulness, especially considering this is a story we are no longer covering actively on the West Seattle Blog (if any West Seattle-related angle reappears - the only original one was the fact Mr. Francisco had attended church here - we will be posting something new on the home page). So I am closing these comments; many of you seem to have come from discussions on sites such as “insessiontrials” and “websleuths” so I’m sure you have a good place to continue the speculation there. If any of you actually live and/or work in West Seattle, we invite you to visit this site for its main mission, which is to provide WS with 24/7/365 WS-specific news, information and discussion. Take care!

Comment by WSB Editor — February 28, 08 10:48 am #

[cog1]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
West Seattle Blog...

Hi all. It’s been quite some days without any significant information and this thread has long since outlived its usefulness, especially considering this is a story we are no longer covering actively on the West Seattle Blog (if any West Seattle-related angle reappears - the only original one was the fact Mr. Francisco had attended church here - we will be posting something new on the home page). So I am closing these comments; many of you seem to have come from discussions on sites such as “insessiontrials” and “websleuths” so I’m sure you have a good place to continue the speculation there. If any of you actually live and/or work in West Seattle, we invite you to visit this site for its main mission, which is to provide WS with 24/7/365 WS-specific news, information and discussion. Take care!

Comment by WSB Editor — February 28, 08 10:48 am # [/*]

Rainy, I read that earlier when someone directed us to the last 3 posts. I really don't understand why the Editor would be upset by people commenting. The editor is saying that if you are local you may post? Thats just plain rude! IMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by cog1


Rainy, I read that earlier when someone directed us to the last 3 posts. I really don't understand why the Editor would be upset by people commenting. The editor is saying that if you are local you may post? Thats just plain rude! IMO [/*]

I was the one that said read the last three posts but I haven't had a chance to get back over there til now. Yeah I was kinda shocked. It was like okay company you have a place to go, so go LOL

[cog1]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I was the one that said read the last three posts but I haven't had a chance to get back over there til now. Yeah I was kinda shocked. It was like okay company you have a place to go, so go LOL [/*]

Okay, sorry I couldn't remember who posted it. LOL :D I just can not beleive that they don't WANT outsiders to join, read and participate.

WOW

[dianaelaine]

Yeah, it's interesting they stopped that blog ... because I posted today, and my post never showed up. Hmmmm???

Gosh, I'm beginning to think nobody loves me. :(

LOL ... joking

Anyway ... I'm reading, just feeling tired from the cold, and now have this strange rash starting on my right foot and going up my leg. It's worrying me, so if it's still there tomorrow or getting worse, I'm going to Urgent Care.

It's always something! :biggrin:

[cog1]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Yeah, it's interesting they stopped that blog ... because I posted today, and my post never showed up. Hmmmm???

Gosh, I'm beginning to think nobody loves me. :(

LOL ... joking

Anyway ... I'm reading, just feeling tired from the cold, and now have this strange rash starting on my right foot and going up my leg. It's worrying me, so if it's still there tomorrow or getting worse, I'm going to Urgent Care.

It's always something! :biggrin: [/*]

Wow I sure hope that gets better and quick. Hugs :seeya:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by cog1


Okay, sorry I couldn't remember who posted it. LOL :D I just can not beleive that they don't WANT outsiders to join, read and participate.

WOW [/*]

Yeah whats up with THAT? :punch: to the editor lol

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Yeah, it's interesting they stopped that blog ... because I posted today, and my post never showed up. Hmmmm???

Gosh, I'm beginning to think nobody loves me. :(

LOL ... joking

Anyway ... I'm reading, just feeling tired from the cold, and now have this strange rash starting on my right foot and going up my leg. It's worrying me, so if it's still there tomorrow or getting worse, I'm going to Urgent Care.

It's always something! :biggrin: [/*]

Hope you feel better Diana

[cog1]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Yeah whats up with THAT? :punch: to the editor lol [/*]

I really don't know. I did not register there or even read there. I got all the info from you guys!:D

Why let "outsiders" register if they only want locals? Is this getting to close for comfort for someone?

Strange!!

[RainyNiteNTx]

I never posted there either - just came over here and tattled :o

[cog1]

:lol:

Nanny nanny boo boo!!!!!

[MarieSM]

Originally posted by Nellie


I'd be screwed too. My family makes fun of me and my internet habits. I've some strange searches trying to solve mysteries and if my husband went missing....those searches coud definately be used against me. LOL!

I know what you're saying.

And I've found myself wondering if Christine posted on message boards BEFORE Nicholas went missing. I've asked Etsy members if she was an active member on the board before, but haven't received an answer. I'd find it interesting if she had never been involved in the message board previously. I'm active on several message boards and know people get close and try to help each other. But if she was never anyone that they all knew and became close to....and she never posted there before......then it surprises me that she'd turn to a community that she never really communicated with before. I would have thought she would have been posting on Mars Hill board rather than Etsy....that is, IF she wasn't an active member before. [/*]

From what I could tell and doing a little searching, Christine was not a regular in the Etsy forums. The majority of people in the group that formed the prayer vigil did not know of or about her until she posted her thread asking for help in searching for her missing husband.

And while this may be nitpicking, I think it's just another one of those little things that doesn't mean much in and of itself, but when added to everything else....

Nicholas had set up a shop about 10 days before he went missing. Christine was his first customer and left a glowing feedback that was worded in such a way, you would never know he was her husband. He did the same thing, leaving her a glowing feedback without revealing that she was his wife. Christine also started a promotional thread to hype Nicholas's shop without mentioning that it was her husband.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5456227

Someone from eBay said that eBay considers that shilling and is against their rules. While I've never seen where that is specifically against Etsy's rules, it's a little questionable while you're singing the praises of a shop you are trying to promote that it's actually your husband and you don't mention that. There are many couples on Etsy and every single one of them I've seen has a little promo blurb in their shop announcements promoting their spouse's shop.

Like I said, in and of itself, it doesn't mean much. It's not a crime. But it does tell me that they are both capable of being a little deceitful.

[cog1]

So, he sold a custon logo design the day he disappeared?? Hmmmm

[MarieSM]

Originally posted by cog1
So, he sold a custon logo design the day he disappeared?? Hmmmm [/*]

Yes he did. And when that was brought up in the prayer thread the comment was ignored by most and one person even asked what relevance does that have to anything. We don't even know if it's his shop. (of course it is.) And we aren't here to discuss that. Many people were surprised to see it dismissed so quickly.

But I think someone else took that piece of info and posted it in another forum so someone out there would know about that and maybe someone would check it out.

I find it funny too that through all this, much was made of Christine's two shops, but none of them felt it was relevant to mention he had one too? Even Christine? Why wouldn't she want to bring that up? Again, it's all about her.

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by MarieSM


From what I could tell and doing a little searching, Christine was not a regular in the Etsy forums. The majority of people in the group that formed the prayer vigil did not know of or about her until she posted her thread asking for help in searching for her missing husband.

And while this may be nitpicking, I think it's just another one of those little things that doesn't mean much in and of itself, but when added to everything else....

Nicholas had set up a shop about 10 days before he went missing. Christine was his first customer and left a glowing feedback that was worded in such a way, you would never know he was her husband. He did the same thing, leaving her a glowing feedback without revealing that she was his wife. Christine also started a promotional thread to hype Nicholas's shop without mentioning that it was her husband.

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5456227

Someone from eBay said that eBay considers that shilling and is against their rules. While I've never seen where that is specifically against Etsy's rules, it's a little questionable while you're singing the praises of a shop you are trying to promote that it's actually your husband and you don't mention that. There are many couples on Etsy and every single one of them I've seen has a little promo blurb in their shop announcements promoting their spouse's shop.

Like I said, in and of itself, it doesn't mean much. It's not a crime. But it does tell me that they are both capable of being a little deceitful. [/*]

That is VERY deceitful to do on Etsy!

I never knew that .... just NOT right. She worded that, as if it were somebody she did not know ... NOT right in any way. I'd like to know how others would feel about that.

[cog1]

Originally posted by MarieSM


Yes he did. And when that was brought up in the prayer thread the comment was ignored by most and one person even asked what relevance does that have to anything. We don't even know if it's his shop. (of course it is.) And we aren't here to discuss that. Many people were surprised to see it dismissed so quickly.

But I think someone else took that piece of info and posted it in another forum so someone out there would know about that and maybe someone would check it out.

I find it funny too that through all this, much was made of Christine's two shops, but none of them felt it was relevant to mention he had one too? Even Christine? Why wouldn't she want to bring that up? Again, it's all about her. [/*]

I would think ANYTHING that occured on the very DAY he went missing would be relevant! It shows IIRC that he started that shop on 2/08? I may be wrong and if so I apologize.

[cog1]

Sorry, it shows that he joined 2/3/08.

[MarieSM]

Originally posted by cog1


I would think ANYTHING that occured on the very DAY he went missing would be relevant! It shows IIRC that he started that shop on 2/08? I may be wrong and if so I apologize. [/*]

Absolutely!! Most people would think that for sure. And I agree Diana, that it is deceitful. And the feedback they left each other is very deceitful too. So if you lie about the little stuff.....

[cog1]

Originally posted by MarieSM


Absolutely!! Most people would think that for sure. And I agree Diana, that it is deceitful. And the feedback they left each other is very deceitful too. So if you lie about the little stuff..... [/*]

ITA!! And, if you were a member and asking for help locating your "missing" husband, wouldn't you also MENTION that HE has an ETSY SHOP??

WTH????

[dulcinea]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Yeah, it's interesting they stopped that blog ... because I posted today, and my post never showed up. Hmmmm???

Gosh, I'm beginning to think nobody loves me. :(

LOL ... joking

Anyway ... I'm reading, just feeling tired from the cold, and now have this strange rash starting on my right foot and going up my leg. It's worrying me, so if it's still there tomorrow or getting worse, I'm going to Urgent Care.

It's always something! :biggrin: [/*]

dianaelaine,

You might want to consider NOT waiting until tomorrow to go to Urgent Care, especially if you are diabetic or think you might have been bitten by something or if you are having any pain. A spreading rash can be serious. Hope everything is okay!

[Jpanda]

OK, call me an idiot but for some reason I never noticed this comment, made by the King County Sheriff's Spokesperson:

"If you're going to your home in Sea-Tac, you would not go to Federal Way," Urquhart said, adding that discovery of the car suggests Francisco may have taken off on his own. "He's got some financial problems, according to the wife," he said. "He's got a hell of a big family. ... He could have left on his own."


From the ABC website http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4325797&page=1

I'm sure you all have seen that already, but wow....now I'm REALLY leaning towards him running off on his own.
:eek:

[MarieSM]

Originally posted by cog1


ITA!! And, if you were a member and asking for help locating your "missing" husband, wouldn't you also MENTION that HE has an ETSY SHOP??

WTH???? [/*]

My thoughts exactly. It feels like she was manipulating what information could get out and when, if at all. She is not the one who brought up the fact that Nicholas had a shop too. Someone else mentioned it. I don't think to this day, she has addressed that. But I'm not sure.

[desmom]

Originally posted by cog1


Rainy, I read that earlier when someone directed us to the last 3 posts. I really don't understand why the Editor would be upset by people commenting. The editor is saying that if you are local you may post? Thats just plain rude! IMO [/*]

Thank goodness Sticks of Fire and Tampa Forums did not take that attitude with the Trenton Duckett investigation. SOF's servers were overload several times because of the traffic.

[field of snow]

I've been on Etsy almost from the start and a frequent forums lurker and participant. I never heard of her until that "My husband's Missing" thread. But the again, Etsy is becoming a big place and I don't read every thread. There are people who do stand out as regulars, however. She is not one of them.

I forgot about the shilling between their new shops. That's tacky, deceptive and a bit desperate. It could just be a not well thought out mistake to help each other's new shops get ratings, however now it points to previous deception in regards to money.

What's sad is if this was only intended to get Pity Purchases and it got out of hand...

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Jpanda
OK, call me an idiot but for some reason I never noticed this comment, made by the King County Sheriff's Spokesperson:

"If you're going to your home in Sea-Tac, you would not go to Federal Way," Urquhart said, adding that discovery of the car suggests Francisco may have taken off on his own. "He's got some financial problems, according to the wife," he said. "He's got a hell of a big family. ... He could have left on his own."


From the ABC website http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4325797&page=1

I'm sure you all have seen that already, but wow....now I'm REALLY leaning towards him running off on his own.
:eek: [/*]

Yes, that was a strong statement LE made just a few days after it happened.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Yes, that was a strong statement LE made just a few days after it happened. [/*]

I don't know HOW I missed that. I'm hoping they're not just speculating that he took off and aren't investigating it as closely though. Every time I look at his picture, I just can't see him leaving his family. I don't know WHAT to think about this case anymore....

Just praying he returns home soon....and no matter what anyone feels about Christine, my prayers go out to her and the kids as well. :rose:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MarieSM


My thoughts exactly. It feels like she was manipulating what information could get out and when, if at all. She is not the one who brought up the fact that Nicholas had a shop too. Someone else mentioned it. I don't think to this day, she has addressed that. But I'm not sure. [/*]

Marie - I remember when someone brought that up - they were drilled on the relevance of the post - the certainty of whether it was really his shop, etc. I've noticed that there are only 7 different posters on the new Hope thread - where did everyone else go? Did they abandon ship for any particular reason?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I don't know HOW I missed that. I'm hoping they're not just speculating that he took off and aren't investigating it as closely though. Every time I look at his picture, I just can't see him leaving his family. I don't know WHAT to think about this case anymore....

Just praying he returns home soon....and no matter what anyone feels about Christine, my prayers go out to her and the kids as well. :rose: [/*]

I pray every night even when I wake up in the night that Nicholas will find his way home.

[desmom]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Yeah, it's interesting they stopped that blog ... because I posted today, and my post never showed up. Hmmmm???

Gosh, I'm beginning to think nobody loves me. :(

LOL ... joking

Anyway ... I'm reading, just feeling tired from the cold, and now have this strange rash starting on my right foot and going up my leg. It's worrying me, so if it's still there tomorrow or getting worse, I'm going to Urgent Care.

It's always something! :biggrin: [/*]


Diana, sorry your are not up to par. Some of those strange rashes can be serious. Don't wait too long.

[MarieSM]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Marie - I remember when someone brought that up - they were drilled on the relevance of the post - the certainty of whether it was really his shop, etc. I've noticed that there are only 7 different posters on the new Hope thread - where did everyone else go? Did they abandon ship for any particular reason? [/*]

I suspect they may be posting on the blog they created for this purpose.

I gotta go. We are driving down to Hilton Head, SC from Western New York! It's been nice meeting you all and chatting. I have a laptop, so will check in when I have a chance. This has been a very intelligent and interesting discussion about the case.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I pray every night even when I wake up in the night that Nicholas will find his way home. [/*]

I know how you feel, same here. He seems like such a great guy. IMO

[desmom]

Originally posted by MarieSM


I suspect they may be posting on the blog they created for this purpose.

I gotta go. We are driving down to Hilton Head, SC from Western New York! It's been nice meeting you all and chatting. I have a laptop, so will check in when I have a chance. This has been a very intelligent and interesting discussion about the case. [/*]

Have a safe journey. :seeya:

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Marie - I remember when someone brought that up - they were drilled on the relevance of the post - the certainty of whether it was really his shop, etc. I've noticed that there are only 7 different posters on the new Hope thread - where did everyone else go? Did they abandon ship for any particular reason? [/*]

Can you post a link to that thread, I'm not finding it.

Thanks

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I don't know HOW I missed that. I'm hoping they're not just speculating that he took off and aren't investigating it as closely though. Every time I look at his picture, I just can't see him leaving his family. I don't know WHAT to think about this case anymore....

Just praying he returns home soon....and no matter what anyone feels about Christine, my prayers go out to her and the kids as well. :rose: [/*]

But why would somebody take him and his laptop? Definitely not for ransom. :confused:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


Can you post a link to that thread, I'm not finding it.

Thanks [/*]

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5491738

[dianaelaine]

It's freezing outside and I'm really tired, but don't worry guys, I'm going to the Urgent Care in the morning.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Breazy



Thank God I've finally made it to the current day at least. :lol: Couldn't attend the vigil because she's pregant . . . WTH kinda excuse is that?!? [/*]

Same here Breazy, trying to catch up from last night even thou I posted this morning real fast lol Excuses - Excuses - Excuses - we all have them - but she just has more than others...:D

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Danette44


Same here Breazy, trying to catch up from last night even thou I posted this morning real fast lol Excuses - Excuses - Excuses - we all have them - but she just has more than others...:D [/*]

Sorry, I must have missed it (so many new posts!), but there was a vigil and Christine didn't attend it?

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I was the one that said read the last three posts but I haven't had a chance to get back over there til now. Yeah I was kinda shocked. It was like okay company you have a place to go, so go LOL [/*]

Hi Rainy, if you go back on that WSBlogs, you will see her make a remark after Christine bashed people, she said people had a right to voice their opinons that is what these boards are for......now WTH, is she upset about?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Danette44


Hi Rainy, if you go back on that WSBlogs, you will see her make a remark after Christine bashed people, she said people had a right to voice their opinons that is what these boards are for......now WTH, is she upset about? [/*]

I know - its odd...here is what I found interesting about their statement...
Hi all. It’s been quite some days without any significant information and this thread has long since outlived its usefulness, especially considering this is a story we are no longer covering actively on the West Seattle Blog (if any West Seattle-related angle reappears - the only original one was the fact Mr. Francisco had attended church here...

[omsk99]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
What did LE mean when saying, "He had one heck of a big family!" Huh? Since when is two kids a big family? [/*]

Maybe he means with the third one on the way :shrug:

[Danette44]

Originally posted by omsk99


Sorry, I must have missed it (so many new posts!), but there was a vigil and Christine didn't attend it? [/*]

She sure didn't! Because she is pregnant.....ugh!

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I know - its odd...here is what I found interesting about their statement...
Hi all. It’s been quite some days without any significant information and this thread has long since outlived its usefulness, especially considering this is a story we are no longer covering actively on the West Seattle Blog (if any West Seattle-related angle reappears - the only original one was the fact Mr. Francisco had attended church here... [/*]

So what they are saying is because he was an "Active Member", of their chruch at one time they thought they would post the story on him - and now we have outlived it's usefullness so we are shuting down?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Danette44


She sure didn't! Because she is pregnant.....ugh! [/*]

She is not that pregnant, I thought they just found out about it! So, what does this mean she is bed-ridden and doesn't go ANYWHERE? That would be one thing I would not have missed!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Danette44


So what they are saying is because he was an "Active Member", of their chruch at one time they thought they would post the story on him - and now we have outlived it's usefullness so we are shuting down? [/*]

Sounds like that to me and I don't understand why they are not still actively covering it. A man is missing - one of their own.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Sounds like that to me and I don't understand why they are not still actively covering it. A man is missing - one of their own. [/*]

But in reality Rainy, he isn't one of them anymore - he resign, but if you're thinking because he is from that area why not cover it??The more silent the police are the more I think they are being sneaky......jmoo

[soldiermom]

Originally posted by omsk99


She is not that pregnant, I thought they just found out about it! So, what does this mean she is bed-ridden and doesn't go ANYWHERE? That would be one thing I would not have missed! [/*]I agree with that. the one thing I wouldn't have missed is a vigil held for my missing husband. gosh I would have rolled myself there in a hospital bed for that matter. and as someone posted earlier, she couldn't attend the vigil but probably didn't hesitate to recieve the money that was taken up for the family at the vigil. Her actions seem so very odd to me.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Danette44


But in reality Rainy, he isn't one of them anymore - he resign, but if you're thinking because he is from that area why not cover it??The more silent the police are the more I think they are being sneaky......jmoo [/*]

Yes I meant he is from Seattle - a member of their community.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by omsk99


She is not that pregnant, I thought they just found out about it! So, what does this mean she is bed-ridden and doesn't go ANYWHERE? That would be one thing I would not have missed! [/*]

Oh she goes somewhere alright - right to the computer.......I'm sorry for sounding mean -but listen to the stuff she tells one set of people and then listen to what she tells the news media and the final set is listen to what she tells the police! Unreal.....moo

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Danette44


Oh she goes somewhere alright - right to the computer.......I'm sorry for sounding mean -but listen to the stuff she tells one set of people and then listen to what she tells the news media and the final set is listen to what she tells the police! Unreal.....moo [/*]

I don't mean to sound hurtful or mean either, but she doesn't act or talk like someone desperate to get her husband back safely. Unless she knows that he is?.. Still, such an erratic behavior and strange posts... JMO

[Track292003]

To be fair to Christine, the prayer vigil was held at a church in Forest Grove, Oregon, which is nearly 200 miles south of SeaTac. Mapquest says it's well over a three-hour drive.

Also, I do wonder if perhaps Nicholas was strong-armed into emptying the PayPal account by someone who went ahead and got rid of him anyway, perhaps despite promises that he would be spared if he just showed them the money.

[Musterion]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Musteriron - very nice post - however Nicholas free lanced at night in addition to his full time day job. Maybe he would have like to have had a cup of coffee brought to HIM. Nicholas is the one that is missing - not Christine, yet everything is about her.

Come home safe Nicholas.

:rose: [/*]

I agree. It should be about Nicholas. Intricately investigating him and his actions, his life. I hope LE and PI are doing these things still.

We don't know, Rainy, that Christine did not bring coffee to Nicholas. We just know that she said he brought it to her in the mornings. We don't have Nicholas here to tell us what things Christine did do that he appreciated about her.

Some of the things we do know are:
Nicholas had a full time job out of the house. Graphics Arts.
Christine had a full time job in the house. Mom.
Nicholas' full time job earned a salary.
Christine's full time job in the house did not earn her a salary.
Nicholas had a freelance business, or two, in addition to his full time job.
Christine had a business, or two, in addition to her full time job.
I don't have information that Nicholas made any money with his freelance business/businesses.
We do know Christine made money with her business/businesses.

We can only speculate that Christine did/does much for Nicholas.
She bore his children. Presumably miscarried one child and is now pregnant with another.
Being at home we can speculate that she does the laundry, cleaning, has dinner for the children and for him when he gets home.
She more than likely does a majority of the shopping.
She does all the tasks involved in two little ones under five.

Speculating in all of that, I would think a cup of coffee every morning is a small but sweet thank you for all she does.

I see them as two hard working people. Equal in every respect, working together and trying to raise a family.

Do I think that your discernment or gut feelings are wrong? No. I think you have good insight and a great heart.

I think speculating can be helpful if it keeps us talking about this case and looking for Nicholas.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Track292003
To be fair to Christine, the prayer vigil was held at a church in Forest Grove, Oregon, which is nearly 200 miles south of SeaTac. Mapquest says it's well over a three-hour drive.

Also, I do wonder if perhaps Nicholas was strong-armed into emptying the PayPal account by someone who went ahead and got rid of him anyway, perhaps despite promises that he would be spared if he just showed them the money. [/*]

I think that people are talking about a prayer vigil that was held last Wed., Feb. 20, here in Seattle, not the ones in Oregon this week that Nicholas's sisters are involved with. The Feb 20 prayer vigil was the same night as the Greta interview.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about that.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by cog1
So, he sold a custon logo design the day he disappeared?? Hmmmm [/*]

I don't think it's clear that he actually *sold* it that day, only that the purchaser posted some feedback that day. My understanding is that he sold it a few days earlier. The person he sold it to did post over on the nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com website regarding her contact with him -- it is in the post that asked if anyone had any emails from him still on their computer that possibly could be traced.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I don't think it's clear that he actually *sold* it that day, only that the purchaser posted some feedback that day. My understanding is that he sold it a few days earlier. The person he sold it to did post over on the nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com website regarding her contact with him -- it is in the post that asked if anyone had any emails from him still on their computer that possibly could be traced. [/*]

Here is the link: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3345076279303990736&postID=5140770877558292169

and specific comment:

pitseel said...

i am the etsy user pitseel who was in contact with Nicholas. i have already contacted and spoke with Christine. my information has been given to the detective in charge of the case.

i did not know he was missing until the 20th when i had not heard from him then goggled his name.

i will and have been doing everything in my power to help.

February 23, 2008 3:33 PM

So is this what most people do if they pay for something and then don't hear from the seller? Go and google them?!

[desmom]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Here is the link: https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3345076279303990736&postID=5140770877558292169

and specific comment:

pitseel said...

i am the etsy user pitseel who was in contact with Nicholas. i have already contacted and spoke with Christine. my information has been given to the detective in charge of the case.

i did not know he was missing until the 20th when i had not heard from him then goggled his name.

i will and have been doing everything in my power to help.

February 23, 2008 3:33 PM

So is this what most people do if they pay for something and then don't hear from the seller? Go and google them?! [/*]

My first thought was she had not received the item or any info from NF and she was looking for a phone #, but.......

Pitseel feedback is dated Feb. 13, 2008. When you click on the icon under the Item heading, it states the item was sold on Feb. 11, 2008.

Why would she google his name?

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by desmom


My first thought was she had not received the item or any info from NF and she was looking for a phone #, but.......

Pitseel feedback is dated Feb. 13, 2008. When you click on the icon under the Item heading, it states the item was sold on Feb. 11, 2008.

Why would she google his name? [/*]

Maybe she was excited about her purchase.. enjoyed his work and was wondering what else he had done or was doing??

IDK.. just a thought.

We CTV'ers tend to look at everything we hear and see as a skeptic but it very well could be very innocent.

[n/t]

Originally posted by desmom


My first thought was she had not received the item or any info from NF and she was looking for a phone #, but.......

Pitseel feedback is dated Feb. 13, 2008. When you click on the icon under the Item heading, it states the item was sold on Feb. 11, 2008.

Why would she google his name? [/*]

She mentions she googled him after not hearing from him. Sounds like she was expecting him to call her for some reason or other.

[desmom]

MystryPhobia & N/T, thank you for the reply. After I hit send, a light bulb went off - duh, maybe she wanted another design. Some days I am just slow...:D

[starling]

http://www.sentinel.org/node/8824
Two women active in Catholic youth ministry in Washington County are in Seattle searching for their missing brother.

:rose:

[desmom]

Nicholas went to college. Did he belong to a Fraternity? Who were his friends in college?

Does he belong to any clubs, groups or maybe a gym?

Does he play golf? Ski? Play pool?

Did he ever do the "guys night out"? Where did they go? Who went to "guys night out"?

Does he have any hobbies?

Did he eat lunch in the office or did he go out to lunch with coworkers? Which coworkers?

Does he have a secretary? Did he receive any personal calls at work besides the calls from his wife?

Did he receive any personal mail at the office i.e. credit card or bank statements?

Has his employer checked his email (or can they)?

What was he working on at his job? Did he seem distracted at work?

Has his family, LE or the PI investigated any of the above. :shrug:

[carterkatt]

Great questions, Desmom... wish we had answers.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Musterion


Do I think that your discernment or gut feelings are wrong? No. I think you have good insight and a great heart.

I think speculating can be helpful if it keeps us talking about this case and looking for Nicholas. [/*]

(snipped)

Again, your post is beautiful. You must be a counselor. I tend to think in black and white - never shades of gray. When someone reasonable and gentle points things out I tend to listen and weigh why I feel as I do. I don't know how so many people can be so indeared to Nicholas and feel such animosity for Christine (me included). I'm paraphrasing, but you are right. It was their life to set up their habits however they chose. I guess it is easier at least on me to think he ran away from a hard life than to consider the alternative. Thank you for seeing my heart - some miss it :)

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by desmom
Nicholas went to college. Did he belong to a Fraternity? Who were his friends in college?

Does he belong to any clubs, groups or maybe a gym?

Does he play golf? Ski? Play pool?

Did he ever do the "guys night out"? Where did they go? Who went to "guys night out"?

Does he have any hobbies?

Did he eat lunch in the office or did he go out to lunch with coworkers? Which coworkers?

Does he have a secretary? Did he receive any personal calls at work besides the calls from his wife?

Did he receive any personal mail at the office i.e. credit card or bank statements?

Has his employer checked his email (or can they)?

What was he working on at his job? Did he seem distracted at work?

Has his family, LE or the PI investigated any of the above. :shrug: [/*]

Good questions! I hope at least a good PI would be looking into all of this.

Another thing I wonder is whether he still maintained the separate mailing address that he registered his freelance business and Christine's website to. And whether anyone else had access to that mailbox (I'm assuming it is probably just a mailbox and not an actual office address, though it wouldn't be hard to find that out) or if it was just his. If only he had access, he could have used it for something like getting a passport, other credit cards, etc.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Track292003
To be fair to Christine, the prayer vigil was held at a church in Forest Grove, Oregon, which is nearly 200 miles south of SeaTac. Mapquest says it's well over a three-hour drive.

Also, I do wonder if perhaps Nicholas was strong-armed into emptying the PayPal account by someone who went ahead and got rid of him anyway, perhaps despite promises that he would be spared if he just showed them the money. [/*]

Do you mean forced to use his computer? I'm sorry I know nothing about PayPal - its not like you could force someone to use an ATM card, is it?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
What did LE mean when saying, "He had one heck of a big family!" Huh? Since when is two kids a big family? [/*]

I was wondering that same thing. I came from a family of 6 kids and while I know that's not the norm today....I certainly don't call a family of 2-3 kids a he$$ of a big family! I was stunned by that remark myself!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Okay someone from the Seattle area please answer this if you can.....is there any type of special gift shop, unique gift shop, flower place, jewelry store, etc. around the exit that Nicholas' car was found?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Do you mean forced to use his computer? I'm sorry I know nothing about PayPal - its not like you could force someone to use an ATM card, is it? [/*]

There is a Pay Pal debit card that is just like any other debit card. You can go to the ATM machine and withdraw money from your pay pal account just like you can your checking or savings account. I know...I have one.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom
Nicholas went to college. Did he belong to a Fraternity? Who were his friends in college?

Does he belong to any clubs, groups or maybe a gym?

Does he play golf? Ski? Play pool?

Did he ever do the "guys night out"? Where did they go? Who went to "guys night out"?

Does he have any hobbies?

Did he eat lunch in the office or did he go out to lunch with coworkers? Which coworkers?

Does he have a secretary? Did he receive any personal calls at work besides the calls from his wife?

Did he receive any personal mail at the office i.e. credit card or bank statements?

Has his employer checked his email (or can they)?

What was he working on at his job? Did he seem distracted at work?

Has his family, LE or the PI investigated any of the above. :shrug: [/*]

I do know that employers can access an employee's email even without a password. They have geeky people (said with utmost respect) who can do this.

From their pictures, it looked like they did everything as a family - vacationing, hiking, going to the zoo, etc. I do wish we had answers to some of those questions and I'm still hung up on the car charger LOL.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Nothing yet, huh? I just sat down to catch up on everything. I remember a poster (I'm sorry I can't remember who right now!) stating she was going to send a message through MySpace to the other missing man's wife. I wonder if she got a reply. BOTH of these cases are complete mysteries! I am perplexed to say the least. As far as I can tell the police aren't actively searching for Nicholas. Are they searching for the other man? So many unanswered questions! [/*]

When the police don't do a visable active search....when I don't see a command center for searches......I always get the feeling that there is a suspicion that the person just left. I'm always intrigued by some of these cases and how they determine that a person may have taken off by themself while others they instantly jump to foul play, even if there is no evidence. There was really no evidence at first of foul play in Laci's case....but it seemed to be immediately considered foul play and was treated as such. I have to ask myself why is there such a difference in the way cases are treated.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Okay someone from the Seattle area please answer this if you can.....is there any type of special gift shop, unique gift shop, flower place, jewelry store, etc. around the exit that Nicholas' car was found? [/*]

His car was found a few miles from a major mall in Federal Way, and numerous strip malls in the surrounding area. But there is a mall (Southcenter) that is much closer to his home and plenty of good shops in that area.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by omsk99


She is not that pregnant, I thought they just found out about it! So, what does this mean she is bed-ridden and doesn't go ANYWHERE? That would be one thing I would not have missed! [/*]

I don't think she's bedridden....

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


There is a Pay Pal debit card that is just like any other debit card. You can go to the ATM machine and withdraw money from your pay pal account just like you can your checking or savings account. I know...I have one. [/*]

WOW - okay well if they were low on finances, but there was money in the PayPal account, that could account for the withdrawal or the low fund that alarmed Christine. Why then wouldn't LE lean more toward foul play?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


His car was found a few miles from a major mall in Federal Way, and numerous strip malls in the surrounding area. But there is a mall (Southcenter) that is much closer to his home and plenty of good shops in that area. [/*]

Thank you Thru

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Danette44


So what they are saying is because he was an "Active Member", of their chruch at one time they thought they would post the story on him - and now we have outlived it's usefullness so we are shuting down? [/*]

I didn't even know that blog was connected to Mars Hill Church.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Okay someone from the Seattle area please answer this if you can.....is there any type of special gift shop, unique gift shop, flower place, jewelry store, etc. around the exit that Nicholas' car was found? [/*]

I am not very familiar with Federal Way RainyNiteNx. So, not sure what is at that exit or if we even know which one he took. Christine said that she was known to go shopping somewhere in Federal Way. She said there would be no reason for him to be there.

I am not sure where you are going. Are you thinking that he may have been using a store to sell some of his stuff?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


WOW - okay well if they were low on finances, but there was money in the PayPal account, that could account for the withdrawal or the low fund that alarmed Christine. Why then wouldn't LE lean more toward foul play? [/*]

We really don't KNOW what Christine saw on Pay Pal to make her think he shielded her from their debt. It may not have been a withdrawal....that was just some speculation. Pay Pal also has a line of credit.....maybe his balance on it alarmed her. But, still to me, if it was a credit card balance that would not be enough for me to let everyone I know that we were broke and in desperate need of money. She could still eat, etc. and make payments on that credit card....it's not like it had to be paid off instantly.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I am not very familiar with Federal Way RainyNiteNx. So, not sure what is at that exit or if we even know which one he took. Christine said that she was known to go shopping somewhere in Federal Way. She said there would be no reason for him to be there.

I am not sure where you are going. Are you thinking that he may have been using a store to sell some of his stuff? [/*]

No...in some areas of my town we have a couple of unique gift shops - things you can't get at the mall. (They are out of the way)I was wondering since it was before Valentines if he thought he would buy something and went to a special store that was out of the way.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


No...in some areas of my town we have a couple of unique gift shops - things you can't get at the mall. (They are out of the way)I was wondering since it was before Valentines if he thought he would buy something and went to a special store that was out of the way. [/*]

Let me clarify - I'm not talking about gag gifts - but more like craft galleries - something like that.

[Maranatha]

Originally posted by Nellie


I didn't even know that blog was connected to Mars Hill Church. [/*]

Its not.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Nothing yet, huh? I just sat down to catch up on everything. I remember a poster (I'm sorry I can't remember who right now!) stating she was going to send a message through MySpace to the other missing man's wife. I wonder if she got a reply. BOTH of these cases are complete mysteries! I am perplexed to say the least. As far as I can tell the police aren't actively searching for Nicholas. Are they searching for the other man? So many unanswered questions! [/*]

We haven't received a reply from her yet, It has been confirmed he has not been seen or heard from in the past 2 weeks at his place of employment. We also have a picture of him now. We are still working on getting more information on both of these men.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3001

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by Nellie


I didn't even know that blog was connected to Mars Hill Church. [/*]


The West Seattle Blog is a community/neighborhood blog that covers various topics for that area. The church that the Franciscos attended is located in West Seattle. But the WS blog itself is not connected to the church. There is yet another blog specifically for the church where people (including Christine) have also posted some comments.

Confusing, I know!

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


We haven't received a reply from her yet, It has been confirmed he has not been seen or heard from in the past 2 weeks at his place of employment. We also have a picture of him now. We are still working on getting more information on both of these men.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3001 [/*]

Do you think the two missing men could be related?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie


We really don't KNOW what Christine saw on Pay Pal to make her think he shielded her from their debt. It may not have been a withdrawal....that was just some speculation. Pay Pal also has a line of credit.....maybe his balance on it alarmed her. But, still to me, if it was a credit card balance that would not be enough for me to let everyone I know that we were broke and in desperate need of money. She could still eat, etc. and make payments on that credit card....it's not like it had to be paid off instantly. [/*]

True - I forget that nothing has been verified or checked by LE that we know of to back this up.

[ThruTheTrees]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Let me clarify - I'm not talking about gag gifts - but more like craft galleries - something like that. [/*]

Knowing the area fairly well, I think he would have gone somewhere close to his work in downtown Seattle if he was looking for a gift that was artistic/crafty. His work is very near downtown and there are many galleries in the Belltown and Pike Place Market area close by. Rather than Federal Way where the car was found, which is a suburb that is out of the way from his main path. There's nothing too memorable in that area, just a lot of mainstream big box stores, strip malls, etc.

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by jtazzy


Do you think the two missing men could be related? [/*]

Really don't know yet, but if you look at the maps we have they lived fairly close to each other.. Vili's wife works at Costco. don't know if it's the one Nicholas stops at or not yet..

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


Knowing the area fairly well, I think he would have gone somewhere close to his work in downtown Seattle if he was looking for a gift that was artistic/crafty. His work is very near downtown and there are many galleries in the Belltown and Pike Place Market area close by. Rather than Federal Way where the car was found, which is a suburb that is out of the way from his main path. There's nothing too memorable in that area, just a lot of mainstream big box stores, strip malls, etc. [/*]

Okay thanks - that answers that.

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


Really don't know yet, but if you look at the maps we have they lived fairly close to each other.. Vili's wife works at Costco. don't know if it's the one Nicholas stops at or not yet.. [/*]

Too close for comfort for me>>>

[huskiki]

Hi Guys, I just caught up. The one thing that sticks out to me is the comment about him having a he!! of a big family. 2 or 3 kids wouldn't fall under that category would it? Could he have children with another woman that we don't know about. I know, I know but IF he did and Christine just found out about it ...I'm just saying.

I sent a message to Fale's wife via myspace this afternoon and haven't heard back from her.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


We haven't received a reply from her yet, It has been confirmed he has not been seen or heard from in the past 2 weeks at his place of employment. We also have a picture of him now. We are still working on getting more information on both of these men.

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3001 [/*]

Do you know where he was when anyone saw him last or is that part of the information you are trying to get?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees


I think that people are talking about a prayer vigil that was held last Wed., Feb. 20, here in Seattle, not the ones in Oregon this week that Nicholas's sisters are involved with. The Feb 20 prayer vigil was the same night as the Greta interview.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about that. [/*]

I wondered what prayer vigil everyone was talking about. And I agree. I think I'm the one who mentioned she said she wasn't going to a Prayer Vigil but I didn't realize it was in Oregon. So, that is understandable if that's where it was. Is this the only one there has been? I think she taped the Greta interview on Feb. 21....not Feb. 20. She posted about all of her tv interviews on Feb. 21 and it sounded like they happened that day.

i didn't think greta was rude just very business like. nancy spoke with me after the interview and was so kind and i believe she was even tearing up herself. I am wiped. today was sooooooooooooo long and emotionally exhausting. I did the interview with the detective (no new news though), then fox live, then radio, then nancy. i was literally gone all day long.

thank you for all of your prayers. keep them coming please.
Posted at 11:35 pm, February 21 2008 EST

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Do you know where he was when anyone saw him last or is that part of the information you are trying to get? [/*]

Right now we don't know where he was.. that is someting we are trying to determine.

[RainyNiteNTx]

http://www.mailpen.net/

scroll to the bottom - it lists all tv interviews, etc.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


No...in some areas of my town we have a couple of unique gift shops - things you can't get at the mall. (They are out of the way)I was wondering since it was before Valentines if he thought he would buy something and went to a special store that was out of the way. [/*]

Oh yeah.. that is a good thought. I don't know. And like ThruTheTrees said.. there are SOOO many shops and things in and around SouthCenter Mall area.. I would be surprised if he would have to go to Federal Way to find something unique.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by huskiki
Hi Guys, I just caught up. The one thing that sticks out to me is the comment about him having a he!! of a big family. 2 or 3 kids wouldn't fall under that category would it? Could he have children with another woman that we don't know about. I know, I know but IF he did and Christine just found out about it ...I'm just saying.

I sent a message to Fale's wife via myspace this afternoon and haven't heard back from her. [/*]

I sent her a message this morning also on her myspace. I think it is VERY strange that there is no mention of him not being around on there. VERY STRANGE!

ETA.. I also emailed the local news agencies around here about him and the coincidences in the disappearances. I got a couple of replies inititally... them trying to get more info from me but I haven't heard anything since then.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Oh yeah.. that is a good thought. I don't know. And like ThruTheTrees said.. there are SOOO many shops and things in and around SouthCenter Mall area.. I would be surprised if he would have to go to Federal Way to find something unique. [/*]

I wasn't explaining it very well but you guys "got it" :)

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Nellie


I didn't even know that blog was connected to Mars Hill Church. [/*]

Hi Nellie - I didn't know that either til that remark she said and closing the site down.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Danette44


Hi Nellie - I didn't know that either til that remark she said and closing the site down. [/*]

Someone posted above that its not connected to the church, but they are connected to the "west" side of Seattle and that is where the church is....is that right Seattle people?

[huskiki]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I sent her a message this morning also on her myspace. I think it is VERY strange that there is no mention of him not being around on there. VERY STRANGE!

ETA.. I also emailed the local news agencies around here about him and the coincidences in the disappearances. I got a couple of replies inititally... them trying to get more info from me but I haven't heard anything since then. [/*]

I'm not sure that we'll hear back from her. If he walked out on her maybe she doesn't want people to know. That could be why there is so little information on him.

Good job on getting replies from the local news! Hopefully they will dig deeper and find some answers.

[Nellie]

Ok, I'm trying to give Christine some benefits here.
1. I don't think 2-3 kids is a large family. My own daughter has 2 children, ages 4 and 1.
2. I think some men DO cook, unlike the men from my own generation. Younger men do tend to spend more time in the kitchen and helping around the house more. My SIL loves to cook, even after work.
3. I could see my SIL POSSIBLY baking cookies with his 4 year old daughter, but must admit it is more likely that mommy would do that with her, or they'd all do it together. I don't, however, think he'd do it after working all day until 6:00. I could see him stopping by the store on the way home though, if they needed something. Why not? But, I think it's way late to stop at the store after 6, and drive home and bake cookies in time for the kids to get to bed by 8 (which is what C said). When was he suppose to eat supper? :shrug:

I think the biggest thing bothering me about C and this case is the appeal for money (and yes, she put the word out) and her defensiveness for anyone to even THINK he'd leave her. Even with Greta, she seemed indignant that Greta could even ask her that and made it clear how much he loved her. I felt like she was mad that anyone would think he loved her less than she felt he did.....like it was an insult to her instead of a natural question. I also don't like how this case has become more about Christina than it is about Nicholas. That's not the norm in a missing person case.

I honestly don't know what to make of this case. I don't think C did anything to him. I think he took off and she's angry and scared and can't admit her fears that he left her to anyone. I also think she's a bit of a drama queen and knows how to garner sympathy (I've seen that in people before), and that's why she puts so much attention on her pregnancy....that's a woe is me scenario. I also think she has used her 2 children to garner sympathy with speaking about them having no daddy RIGHT IN FRONT of them. That really bothered me. She should have shielded those children from that....children need reassurance. My 4 year old g-daughter would be traumatized too if she heard her mommy saying they can't find daddy and she won't have a daddy.

So whil e I'm trying to give her some benefit of the doubt on some subjects, I'm upset with her on others, I'll admit. I just have an impression from her that it's always "all about her" and I hate feeling that way when I don't know someone.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by ThruTheTrees



The West Seattle Blog is a community/neighborhood blog that covers various topics for that area. The church that the Franciscos attended is located in West Seattle. But the WS blog itself is not connected to the church. There is yet another blog specifically for the church where people (including Christine) have also posted some comments.

Confusing, I know! [/*]

Oops! I thought they were also - thank you Thru for setting (me) straight.......I should read all before answering.......back to :read:

[Nellie]

One thing I've wondered about and haven't seen anywhere...and no one probably knows the answers...

But, he dissapeared the night before Valentine's Day. A lot of times young couples will play how to celebrate ahead of time. I wonder if there had been any kind of plans made for dinner out on Valentine's Evening or any other kind of plans. A lot of times these plans are made ahead of time so they can line up a babysitter. So, I'm just curous if they had planned a romantic evening out as a couple for Valentine's Evening. Just a curiosity...

[desmom]

Originally posted by Nellie
Ok, I'm trying to give Christine some benefits here.
1. I don't think 2-3 kids is a large family. My own daughter has 2 children, ages 4 and 1.
2. I think some men DO cook, unlike the men from my own generation. Younger men do tend to spend more time in the kitchen and helping around the house more. My SIL loves to cook, even after work.
3. I could see my SIL POSSIBLY baking cookies with his 4 year old daughter, but must admit it is more likely that mommy would do that with her, or they'd all do it together. I don't, however, think he'd do it after working all day until 6:00. I could see him stopping by the store on the way home though, if they needed something. Why not? But, I think it's way late to stop at the store after 6, and drive home and bake cookies in time for the kids to get to bed by 8 (which is what C said). When was he suppose to eat supper? :shrug:

I think the biggest thing bothering me about C and this case is the appeal for money (and yes, she put the word out) and her defensiveness for anyone to even THINK he'd leave her. Even with Greta, she seemed indignant that Greta could even ask her that and made it clear how much he loved her. I felt like she was mad that anyone would think he loved her less than she felt he did.....like it was an insult to her instead of a natural question. I also don't like how this case has become more about Christina than it is about Nicholas. That's not the norm in a missing person case.

I honestly don't know what to make of this case. I don't think C did anything to him. I think he took off and she's angry and scared and can't admit her fears that he left her to anyone. I also think she's a bit of a drama queen and knows how to garner sympathy (I've seen that in people before), and that's why she puts so much attention on her pregnancy....that's a woe is me scenario. I also think she has used her 2 children to garner sympathy with speaking about them having no daddy RIGHT IN FRONT of them. That really bothered me. She should have shielded those children from that....children need reassurance. My 4 year old g-daughter would be traumatized too if she heard her mommy saying they can't find daddy and she won't have a daddy.

So whil e I'm trying to give her some benefit of the doubt on some subjects, I'm upset with her on others, I'll admit. I just have an impression from her that it's always "all about her" and I hate feeling that way when I don't know someone. [/*]

Nicely said and ITA!

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Nellie
One thing I've wondered about and haven't seen anywhere...and no one probably knows the answers...

But, he dissapeared the night before Valentine's Day. A lot of times young couples will play how to celebrate ahead of time. I wonder if there had been any kind of plans made for dinner out on Valentine's Evening or any other kind of plans. A lot of times these plans are made ahead of time so they can line up a babysitter. So, I'm just curous if they had planned a romantic evening out as a couple for Valentine's Evening. Just a curiosity... [/*]

Nellie, I had questioned this earlier also. I hadn't thought about the baby sitter aspect of it but that's a possibility. I was just wondering if she received any flowers or anything on Valentine's Day itself delivered by a store but from him that he might have ordered in advance or found a gift around the house that he was planning to give her. And did she have something for him???

[Kamiron]

Originally posted by Nellie


When the police don't do a visable active search....when I don't see a command center for searches......I always get the feeling that there is a suspicion that the person just left. I'm always intrigued by some of these cases and how they determine that a person may have taken off by themself while others they instantly jump to foul play, even if there is no evidence. There was really no evidence at first of foul play in Laci's case....but it seemed to be immediately considered foul play and was treated as such. I have to ask myself why is there such a difference in the way cases are treated. [/*]


A lot of times when it is a male "victim" the police will do a basic search but they will not do a full fledged search unless there is obvious foul play. If it is not an obvious case of foul play, the police will usually suggest that the male left on his own. I don't know, I guess cops don't think that it is unusual for males to flee.

[decor]

Hi everyone,
I'm new and I have read from page 15 on of this thread. I have also read a lot of other blogs threads etc. about Nicholas. I have to say that I think this one is the best as everyone is just trying to come up with possible answers to all of these questions with the least judgment possible.

I wanted to respond to this because a number of people have mentioned about the large family.

I think that was referring to his extended family not just his immediate family, parents, siblings, grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins which can make a rather large family.

I am interested in everyones theories as it makes for intriguing reading.

I hope everything works for the best in the end but from the beginning I have felt that we have not been told the entire truth.