Nicholas Francisco 28, Seattle, 2-13-08 (car found)

[MystryPhobia]

The case has left detectives grasping for answers.

"We have no motivation that he would voluntarily leave," Urquhart said. "By the same token, we have no reason for foul play to befall him."

I wouldn't expect that the story would be in the news everyday unless they have new information. Unfortuanately that is how it is.. some cases get covereage.. others get none.

This is not the first person that has vanished into thin air in this area.

There was a woman who was mother, grandmother shopping at the Everett Mall during Christmas a few years ago. She didn't come home. Her family started looking for her. Found her truck in the mall parking lot. They searched.. put up posters.. police were baffled. Police couldn't say she didn't leave on her own but couldn't say there was foul play either. The police weren't on the tv every day. The family were the ones on there begging for information. After a week.. they stopped running the story. She still hasn't been found.

[huskiki]

I was just looking at the latest Etsy thread and someone suggested that to put their heads together. This person is looking for a discussion on what they know already and where they can go from there. Don't you know they were shot down by another member who said that Christine's threads on Etsay are for prayer and support and that she (Christine) "wants this to be a place where she can just know we are here praying and hoping and thinking about her".

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5484821&page=89

Starts on page 89

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki
I was just looking at the latest Etsy thread and someone suggested that to put their heads together. This person is looking for a discussion on what they know already and where they can go from there. Don't you know they were shot down by another member who said that Christine's threads on Etsay are for prayer and support and that she (Christine) "wants this to be a place where she can just know we are here praying and hoping and thinking about her".

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5484821&page=89

Starts on page 89 [/*]

Huski - I know - any time someone asks ANYTHING or says ANYTHING that is not a hug or xoxo or a prayer, they get jumped on. Some of those people are really trying to help just asking for updates and they're told this thread is for support of Christine. I seriously have never seen anything like it. I've tried very hard not to misstate anything, but unless I missed something, Christine is the one that notified everyone of the mean outside people talking about her and her husband.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by sherryhefner


Exactly...and wouldn't you think that one of the purposes of all the prayers is to find out what has happened to Nicolas? Prayer for support is good...but what kind of support is it when there is no search for answers? [/*]

Yes, Nicholas. Remember him? I think the part that got me was the last few words of that statement "thinking about her". It's all about Christine and you never hear anything about Nicholas.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki


Yes, Nicholas. Remember him? I think the part that got me was the last few words of that statement "thinking about her". It's all about Christine and you never hear anything about Nicholas. [/*]

Yes, he is possibly the one a victim of foul play - I've been on the internet since 1998, been on several AOL boards, crime boards, etc. and I have never seen anything like that ETSY board.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Looks like they are trying to start a new thread to help piece it together....

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5490165

On one of the other support Christine threads, someone asked if Nicholas had a shop (he does and they had the right information) and this person was stopped short immediately. They were asked What difference does it make if Nicholas has a shop? Could they actually confirm it was his shop? I'm just shaking my head.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Looks like they are trying to start a new thread to help piece it together....

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5490165

On one of the other support Christine threads, someone asked if Nicholas had a shop (he does and they had the right information) and this person was stopped short immediately. They were asked What difference does it make if Nicholas has a shop? Could they actually confirm it was his shop? I'm just shaking my head. [/*]

I can see how this is going to go. LOL This Diana person is the one who was shot down on the other board and told to start a new thread.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by sherryhefner


Exactly...and wouldn't you think that one of the purposes of all the prayers is to find out what has happened to Nicolas? Prayer for support is good...but what kind of support is it when there is no search for answers? [/*]

I agree. Sad that this has become all about Christine when Nicholas is the one missing and we have no idea if he is safe or not.

And.. for the record.. I didn't jump on you about the police. I just wanted to point out that we don't know what they are doing and just because they aren't on the news constantly doesn't mean that they aren't looking for him. Or that Nicholas was involved in anything sinister. There is NO credible evidence or facts to suggest that he was.. He is missing and presumed to be a victim, in my eyes, until something is proven different.

AND I have to ask this question.. that I asked before. How does a couple that have NO criminal history AT ALL. Not even a traffic violation.. suddenly plan a crime to illicit money from people and are so thorough that after 2 weeks.. nobody has one lead in their direction?

They KCS office is still actively pursueing leads and tips is the information that I am getting.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Yes, he is possibly the one a victim of foul play - I've been on the internet since 1998, been on several AOL boards, crime boards, etc. and I have never seen anything like that ETSY board. [/*]

LOL you should check out the find Stacy Peterson forum that her family set up.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


LOL you should check out the find Stacy Peterson forum that her family set up. [/*]

oh goodness I would probably short circuit LOL I've decided I'm very naive.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


oh goodness I would probably short circuit LOL I've decided I'm very naive. [/*]

oh yeah.. it was insane over there. People were asking about their donations and who was in charge of the money.. where it was going.etc. and their posts were being deleted and they were being banned.

If you said anything that even suggested that didn't believe exactly what they did then you were banned and your posts were deleted.

It was bad there for awhile.

[RainyNiteNTx]

I saw one person asked if they were accounting for all the donations and that got stifled pretty quick. That place scares me LOL.

[homecrafter]

From what I saw on the Etsy thread, Christine saw some of the comments made on the Seattle BLog and felt like she was being attacked by folks suggesting that he up and left. It seems she refuses to even consider that could happen. This is why folks are continually 'sheltering' her from any speculation.

I'm not religious, so I really don't understand how she can basically give up and say it's all in God's hands...let Him handle it. This is not meant as an insult to Christians who may feel this way, it's just that I don't understand it. If this happened to me I would do everything in my physical and mental power to bring someone I loved so much home... including allowing psychics to participate.

Also, if it were me, in addition to searching endlessly, I probably would be scanning the internet as she is, but only to get some clues and to what might have happened, but without being concerned or offended as to what people are saying about the relationship. I probably would interact with the forums to provide information and work with others to figure out what may have happened. I mean, I use many different forums for communicating, learning, contributing, and such. Sometimes the answers to questions lie with people who are outside the box as we cannot often see the truth within. This is why I love my therapist!
:cool:

[MystryPhobia]

Maybe we should email of the news programs and tell them our feelings about Christine and the money that is exchanging hands and how nobody knows where it is going.. etc.. etc..

Maybe that will get them motivated to looking into it more and pressing the police to investigate.

All of this is obviously only happening on the internet. I have not heard ONE word about it outside of the forums.

I do know that the etsy group are not the only ones that feel a responsibility to help the family out. He was last seen at his place of employment. The last time that anyone talked to him was at his place on employment. They feel a lot of fear and responsibility as well.

[cog1]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


If you had just stolen a car, why park it at an apartment complex and move it around several times? Why not ditch it somewhere where it would not be spotted so easily? [/*]

Okay, thinking out loud here and still trying to catch up today.

I am thinking about why the car moved several times at the apt. complex?

I have met people in a parking lot before. If after a few minutes I don't see the person I drive around and look for them. Maybe park some where else with a better view, etc.]

Wondering if maybe he was "meeting" someone there. They/he/she showed up he grabbed his keys, cell, laptop. GONE Easy as pie he is out of there.

IMO just my two cents.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Huski - I know - any time someone asks ANYTHING or says ANYTHING that is not a hug or xoxo or a prayer, they get jumped on. Some of those people are really trying to help just asking for updates and they're told this thread is for support of Christine. I seriously have never seen anything like it. I've tried very hard not to misstate anything, but unless I missed something, Christine is the one that notified everyone of the mean outside people talking about her and her husband. [/*]

I actually HAVE seen a group like this before. I used to be a member of it and the "leader' had complete power to control the conversation. When too many fundraisers were taking place, a small group of us began to raise some questions. Raising questions was seen as negative and our posts were removed and we reprimanded. Long story short..it got really ugly before it got better and this small group demanded answers and would not let it go and in the end it was found out that the "leader" spent some of the money raised for someone else on a personal need of her own. Once the word began to spread, she sent out a multi page sobbing email admitting it and filling it full of Bible verses about forgiveness, etc. and asked for forgiveness. I guess that's why I'm so jaded on fund raising online.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
I wanted to make one statement about the Paypal account. I have a Paypal account that I use on ebay. I have it linked either to my debit or credit card.

If Nicholas was using his Paypal account for purchases or payments, and had that account linked to his credit card, then perhaps Christine discovered that they had significant debt on that. Maybe there was more than one credit card linked to that Paypal account....

Just a thought about how she may have made the statement about their financial situation... [/*]

So, she sees a large balance on a credit card and thinks others should pay it off for them??? :confused:

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by homecrafter
From what I saw on the Etsy thread, Christine saw some of the comments made on the Seattle BLog and felt like she was being attacked by folks suggesting that he up and left. It seems she refuses to even consider that could happen. This is why folks are continually 'sheltering' her from any speculation.

I'm not religious, so I really don't understand how she can basically give up and say it's all in God's hands...let Him handle it. This is not meant as an insult to Christians who may feel this way, it's just that I don't understand it. If this happened to me I would do everything in my physical and mental power to bring someone I loved so much home... including allowing psychics to participate.

Also, if it were me, in addition to searching endlessly, I probably would be scanning the internet as she is, but only to get some clues and to what might have happened, but without being concerned or offended as to what people are saying about the relationship. I probably would interact with the forums to provide information and work with others to figure out what may have happened. I mean, I use many different forums for communicating, learning, contributing, and such. Sometimes the answers to questions lie with people who are outside the box as we cannot often see the truth within. This is why I love my therapist!
:cool: [/*]

ITA homecrafter

I AM a christian and my dad is a baptist minister and can not imagine saying that nor could I see him saying that as a pastor. Yes.. be in constant prayer about it. But.. not just sit at home and say.. Oh God will do it. Does she really think that God wanted her husband to go missing from her and her children. No.. he gives us free choice and our choices impact our lives. Sometimes the choices of other impact our lives. But.. in the end.. our choices are our own.

I would use EVERY available resource to find my missing loved one and no church would stop. God didn't give us two legs and a brain that thinks independently if he didn't want us to use it. So.. to me.. that is just a cop-out on her part and I have to wonder why she would do that.

BUT.. with all that said.. I have known other christians that would do this and we have all heard stories about people refusing treatments etc. because of their faith. The thing that gets me about her saying that comment is this.. The type of person that would say that they trust that he is in God's hands and that God will bring him home.. would also say that they trust that God will take care of them financially until he is home. She does contradict herself there.

You say that she didn't initially start the process to ask for money and I think you may be right. Since then there has been no word on where that money is going.. except to sorta frivilous things (in my opinion.. children's clothing and gift cards are not needed right this second). Where are the organized searches? Why are we waiting a week in between them? Why aren't people out there every day?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by huskiki


I can see how this is going to go. LOL This Diana person is the one who was shot down on the other board and told to start a new thread. [/*]

It won't take long for that thread to turn nasty...I bet! They'll probably try to get the administrator to remove it. IMO, Christine can see what the thread is and stay away from it if the speculation would bother her too much.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


ITA homecrafter

I AM a christian and my dad is a baptist minister and can not imagine saying that nor could I see him saying that as a pastor. Yes.. be in constant prayer about it. But.. not just sit at home and say.. Oh God will do it. Does she really think that God wanted her husband to go missing from her and her children. No.. he gives us free choice and our choices impact our lives. Sometimes the choices of other impact our lives. But.. in the end.. our choices are our own.

I would use EVERY available resource to find my missing loved one and no church would stop. God didn't give us two legs and a brain that thinks independently if he didn't want us to use it. So.. to me.. that is just a cop-out on her part and I have to wonder why she would do that.

BUT.. with all that said.. I have known other christians that would do this and we have all heard stories about people refusing treatments etc. because of their faith. The thing that gets me about her saying that comment is this.. The type of person that would say that they trust that he is in God's hands and that God will bring him home.. would also say that they trust that God will take care of them financially until he is home. She does contradict herself there.

You say that she didn't initially start the process to ask for money and I think you may be right. Since then there has been no word on where that money is going.. except to sorta frivilous things (in my opinion.. children's clothing and gift cards are not needed right this second). Where are the organized searches? Why are we waiting a week in between them? Why aren't people out there every day? [/*]

IMO, it's quite a contradiction to say you trust God to bring him home, but you don't seem to trust God to provide for your physical needs. And, I'm sure she could say God did provide for her physical needs through His people who so kindly donated to her. But, she was pro-active on that....she let people know how DESPERATELY she needed money. So, why not DEPERATELY search for her husband. Action in one area, but no action in the other?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
homecrafter, I am a Christian and I do agree with much of what you said. Having faith does not mean that we become inactive...but simply that we trust in God to lead us. That being said, surely Christine must know where Nicholas surfed the net or spent time online. Hopefully, she is checking those sites. Also, for the sake of her children, she should consider every possibility. This way, she won't "fall apart" if it is discovered that he did leave.

If he didn't leave but met with foul play, I don't think it will take long to figure that out. I've been wrong before (lots of times, lol) but I would think that sooner rather than later some evidence will show up. If there was a crime, then there would have to be a motive. Was it the car? Apparently not. Money? We're not sure...but his debit or credit card has not been used. Kidnapping? Doubtful. Perhaps it was simply random...but most random crimes leave clues.... [/*]

Speaking of the children, when she spoke of her daughter having a melt down,it made me wonder exactly what she was telling them. IMO, children of that age could be shielded from the unknown. They would not have to be told right off the bat that their daddy was missing and she was afraid some bad mad got him. Did she tell them that? Did she tell them he's not coming home? Maybe not, but what would cause a little 4 year old to have a total meltdown? Maybe cry for daddy, but a meltdown? And I have a 4 year old g-daughter and if mommy told her daddy was away for a few days, she wouldn't be having a meltdown. Kids that age wouldn't understand the implication of that. So, what did she tell them? She speaks of Nicholas shielding her....it makes me wonder if she shielded the kids???

[Nellie]

Originally posted by cog1


Okay, thinking out loud here and still trying to catch up today.

I am thinking about why the car moved several times at the apt. complex?

I have met people in a parking lot before. If after a few minutes I don't see the person I drive around and look for them. Maybe park some where else with a better view, etc.]

Wondering if maybe he was "meeting" someone there. They/he/she showed up he grabbed his keys, cell, laptop. GONE Easy as pie he is out of there.

IMO just my two cents. [/*]

Has anyone checked Pawn Shops or his laptop or phone? If someone stole it they would probably want quick cash for them.

[bitsy555]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Yes, he is possibly the one a victim of foul play - I've been on the internet since 1998, been on several AOL boards, crime boards, etc. and I have never seen anything like that ETSY board. [/*]

I haven't either Rainy and I've been around a lot of message boards over the years. It is the strangest thing. You add that to all the other strange things in this case and it is all just very weird.

[bitsy555]

Originally posted by Nellie


So, she sees a large balance on a credit card and thinks others should pay it off for them??? :confused: [/*]

That is making more and more sense!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia
The case has left detectives grasping for answers.

"We have no motivation that he would voluntarily leave," Urquhart said. "By the same token, we have no reason for foul play to befall him."

I wouldn't expect that the story would be in the news everyday unless they have new information. Unfortuanately that is how it is.. some cases get covereage.. others get none.

This is not the first person that has vanished into thin air in this area.

There was a woman who was mother, grandmother shopping at the Everett Mall during Christmas a few years ago. She didn't come home. Her family started looking for her. Found her truck in the mall parking lot. They searched.. put up posters.. police were baffled. Police couldn't say she didn't leave on her own but couldn't say there was foul play either. The police weren't on the tv every day. The family were the ones on there begging for information. After a week.. they stopped running the story. She still hasn't been found. [/*]

But, did they immediately put the word out that they desperately needed money to live on? :confused: To me,that is what has made this case so different.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Nellie


Speaking of the children, when she spoke of her daughter having a melt down,it made me wonder exactly what she was telling them. IMO, children of that age could be shielded from the unknown. They would not have to be told right off the bat that their daddy was missing and she was afraid some bad mad got him. Did she tell them that? Did she tell them he's not coming home? Maybe not, but what would cause a little 4 year old to have a total meltdown? Maybe cry for daddy, but a meltdown? And I have a 4 year old g-daughter and if mommy told her daddy was away for a few days, she wouldn't be having a meltdown. Kids that age wouldn't understand the implication of that. So, what did she tell them? She speaks of Nicholas shielding her....it makes me wonder if she shielded the kids??? [/*]

At least one of the early interviews CF did, I'm not sure who it was with, buy anyway the kids were right there on the couch with her and she was stating rather loudly that if the police didn't find him they wouldn't have a daddy. If I'm not mistaken she also mentioned on Etsy that the kids were going with her to I think it was the Greta interview although they weren't actually on TV with her. Still, why would you take a 2 and 4 year old to something like that unless you thought they might be put on TV too. I suppose its possible that the Greta people asked for the kids to be there.

[bitsy555]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Can someone provide a link to the Etsy board we are talking about? I would like to keep up with it too. TIA! [/*]

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5484821

I think that is the latest one.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Curiouser


At least one of the early interviews CF did, I'm not sure who it was with, buy anyway the kids were right there on the couch with her and she was stating rather loudly that if the police didn't find him they wouldn't have a daddy. If I'm not mistaken she also mentioned on Etsy that the kids were going with her to I think it was the Greta interview although they weren't actually on TV with her. Still, why would you take a 2 and 4 year old to something like that unless you thought they might be put on TV too. I suppose its possible that the Greta people asked for the kids to be there. [/*]

I saw that about taking the kids to Greta. But yet she said her house was full of family members, so I'm sure she could have left them home with some of them. So, my question is.....why expose them to all of this fear? They should be shielded from the fear. Even when a parent is scared themselves, they try not to show that to their children and alarm them. She seems to do the opposite and that bothers me. Sometimes she just seems like a drama queen to me and oftentimes it just seems like it's "all about her".

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by bitsy555


http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5484821

I think that is the latest one. [/*]


Here is the other thread where they've started discussing the disappearance:

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5490165

[Nellie]

Originally posted by bitsy555


http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5484821

I think that is the latest one. [/*]

People on other message boards are taking what she's saying here to use it against her, so she really can't let us know what she is feeling.

This was posted at Etsy. See, it's all about her. People are not trying to use anything against her. They are just trying to make sense of some of the stuff she says.

People are talking more about the cash flow fundraising and she's not stopping them.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Nellie


I saw that about taking the kids to Greta. But yet she said her house was full of family members, so I'm sure she could have left them home with some of them. So, my question is.....why expose them to all of this fear? They should be shielded from the fear. Even when a parent is scared themselves, they try not to show that to their children and alarm them. She seems to do the opposite and that bothers me. Sometimes she just seems like a drama queen to me and oftentimes it just seems like it's "all about her". [/*]

She was also saying right away how upset they were and crying all the time, etc. You would think it wouldn't be that hard to keep and 2 and 4 year old from really even knowing what's going on. Why couldn't some of these family members take them to their house for awhile to get out of the confusion.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Curiouser


She was also saying right away how upset they were and crying all the time, etc. You would think it wouldn't be that hard to keep and 2 and 4 year old from really even knowing what's going on. Why couldn't some of these family members take them to their house for awhile to get out of the confusion. [/*]

Exactly! If what C has said about the kids is true...then they have not been shielded from any of this. That's sad.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Nellie


Exactly! If what C has said about the kids is true...then they have not been shielded from any of this. That's sad. [/*]

Of course you would be VERY upset yourself to have a missing spouse, but I find as a mom that when your kids are upset and you can't make it better, its makes the problem even more devastating to the mom. So why put them and yourself through all this if you didn't have to?

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by sherryhefner


I think she immediately said that Nicholas had shielded her from debts she was unaware of until she checked his Paypal account. This leads me to believe that he had used credit cards for Paypal purchases or bills. It could have nothing to do with his disappearance....
But the fact that she mentioned the money so soon is troubling. [/*]

I'm sorry if this has been posted already, but does Christine work?? If not, or if Nicholas was the main money-maker, if I had kids and had another one on the way, money would definitely be one of my main concerns too. JMO

[Curiouser]

Also when NF first disappeared, she wouldn't have known but that he might not be back in a day or two so the kids would really have not even had to know at all. Maybe years down the road they would have talked about it, but at the ages of 2 and 4 I see no need to burden them with all this.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I'm sorry if this has been posted already, but does Christine work?? If not, or if Nicholas was the main money-maker, if I had kids and had another one on the way, money would definitely be one of my main concerns too. JMO [/*]

Immediately? Before you know whether he's coming back or not?
Too soon.....imo.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I'm sorry if this has been posted already, but does Christine work?? If not, or if Nicholas was the main money-maker, if I had kids and had another one on the way, money would definitely be one of my main concerns too. JMO [/*]

She has a couple of shops on Etsy (online craft selling site if you aren't familiar with it) and some other web sites but otherwise she profiled herself as a stay-at-home mom so he was apparently the main breadwinner.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Dang, this Etsy board feels like a cult!:rolleyes: [/*]

I said earlier - it is a scary place

I would like to clarify my position on the donations. I am a person who drags strays home and will spearhead campaigns to help someone. My problem with this is that the money SEEMS to be going to Christine, rather than upping that reward money. You get that reward money high enough and if anyone has seen anything, they may talk. I feel that the hearts of the donaters are in the right place - I just don't feel the money is going to the correct cause. IMO

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by Curiouser


She has a couple of shops on Etsy (online craft selling site if you aren't familiar with it) and some other web sites but otherwise she profiled herself as a stay-at-home mom so he was apparently the main breadwinner. [/*]

Thanks! I'm thinking that she may have a feeling he DID just leave her, and maybe doesn't want to admit it, even to herself. If that is the case, I can definitely see why she would be so concerned about money, IMO. I would be pretty angry with my husband if I suspected he just up and left me with a large amount of debt. I can't really blame her for that, IMO.

However, I do understand what everyone is saying about the donations, and how it was too soon, etc. I just can't help but feel sorry for her.

All IMO.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Nellie


Speaking of the children, when she spoke of her daughter having a melt down,it made me wonder exactly what she was telling them. IMO, children of that age could be shielded from the unknown. They would not have to be told right off the bat that their daddy was missing and she was afraid some bad mad got him. Did she tell them that? Did she tell them he's not coming home? Maybe not, but what would cause a little 4 year old to have a total meltdown? Maybe cry for daddy, but a meltdown? And I have a 4 year old g-daughter and if mommy told her daddy was away for a few days, she wouldn't be having a meltdown. Kids that age wouldn't understand the implication of that. So, what did she tell them? She speaks of Nicholas shielding her....it makes me wonder if she shielded the kids??? [/*]


Kids have meltdowns all the time, so it might not have been related to anything she told them. Good question though, what did she tell the kids? And she stated that she can't function and has other people taking care of the children. Shouldn't she pull herself together for her kids? IMO JMO I have gone throuh personal crisis and have never brought it to work or around the kids. Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do.

[homecrafter]

Etsy really isn't scary. It's just a few people of over 100,000 sellers (I mistakenly said yesterday 80,000) that are involved in the support threads. I do agree the support threads got beyond creepy (for me) and these threads are keeping me out of the forums for awhile. But overall, Etsy is a wonderful venue for buying and selling handmade products (not a promotion...just saying that's what it is).

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Jpanda


Thanks! I'm thinking that she may have a feeling he DID just leave her, and maybe doesn't want to admit it, even to herself. If that is the case, I can definitely see why she would be so concerned about money, IMO. I would be pretty angry with my husband if I suspected he just up and left me with a large amount of debt. I can't really blame her for that, IMO.

However, I do understand what everyone is saying about the donations, and how it was too soon, etc. I just can't help but feel sorry for her.

All IMO. [/*]

I do feel sorry for her and the kids too, but mostly I feel sorry for Nicholas as he may be in a very bad state right now. She has family and friends surrounding her, but if he is being held or is hurt somewhere, he has no one.

[bitsy555]

Originally posted by Nellie




This was posted at Etsy. See, it's all about her. People are not trying to use anything against her. They are just trying to make sense of some of the stuff she says.

People are talking more about the cash flow fundraising and she's not stopping them. [/*]

Right! It is so funny how they turn everything around. Unbelievable. It is just a matter of time until that thread to go poof. People are just asking the obvvious questions!

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by sherryhefner


Christine is a stay-at-home mom with a couple of online businesses. I am a stay-at-home mom too and don't know many people (working moms or not) that could afford to lose a paycheck for long. Still, the problem or suspicion is that Christine mentioned the money before Nicholas had been gone for 24 whole hours. No one should need $ that fast....especially since they both have loving and supportive families around them.

In addition, there is no accountability for the incoming funds...none of the money has been placed into the reward account that we know of. Also, there has been a request by her friends for certain gift cards to department stores, restaurants, etc., and for gift baskets for the kids...even new clothes for the kids. Her new baby isn't due for 8 more months! Lets hope that daddy is home by then. [/*]

I definitely agree with you on all aspects. I'm just thinking that if she is a bit of a dramatic person (like I am, although I hate to admit it), then she could just be panicking while thinking about the future. It was definitely premature to ask for specific things like that though, but her friends could be that way too and are just trying to help, even though it may be a bit overboard too soon. JMO

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I do feel sorry for her and the kids too, but mostly I feel sorry for Nicholas as he may be in a very bad state right now. She has family and friends surrounding her, but if he is being held or is hurt somewhere, he has no one. [/*]

Agreed. I think I'm just trying to be optimistic (in a way) and think that he left voluntarily.

I know that foul play is a very real possibility though. I wonder if he was into gambling? Anybody know? TIA

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Jpanda


Agreed. I think I'm just trying to be optimistic (in a way) and think that he left voluntarily.

I know that foul play is a very real possibility though. I wonder if he was into gambling? Anybody know? TIA [/*]

Oh I know JPanda :) I just feel Nicholas has gotten lost in all of this.

[Sunday Moon]

Ok. The more I read here and other blogs and boards, the more I am convinced he walked away. I think Christine suspects it as well. Hence the staunchly defensive mode she is always in and her comments about him not being a coward. I think SHE thinks he left and her "coward" comment was meant for him to hear. I dunno, just a thought. If my husband went missing I would consider it a possibility he left. It's ALWAYS a possibility, even if one does not WANT to consider it. Do I think my husband would ever leave? No, it's not in his nature. Would his friends and family think he would leave? No. He's very dependable and lets me know if he is going to the gym, the store, etc. BUT, stress does funny things to people. By what I know of Nicholas he is a stand up guy, a good dad and husband, and a hard worker. But he's young, has 2 small children and a 3rd on the way, and is having some money troubles. Not to mention a wife that seems.......how can I put it......overbearing. Could that stress someone out? Absolutely! I am thinking he parked his car, hopped in with someone else, and took off. I am still wondering about that missing man in the same area, the one whose wife works at Costco. Just seems very coincidental. And I am not saying it's a boyfriend or anything like that, just that they both needed to leave and devised a plan. I don't even know if they knew each other but I am trying to think of all angles. Plus the dead cell phone seems a little too perfect and I am bothered as well by all the money. Usually money given in these situations is reward money. Do we know if there is a reward? Bottom line, I think she suspects he took off and doesn't want to admit it.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by homecrafter
Etsy really isn't scary. It's just a few people of over 100,000 sellers (I mistakenly said yesterday 80,000) that are involved in the support threads. I do agree the support threads got beyond creepy (for me) and these threads are keeping me out of the forums for awhile. But overall, Etsy is a wonderful venue for buying and selling handmade products (not a promotion...just saying that's what it is). [/*]

Point taken Homecrafter. What I can't wrap my mind around though is that some people have started an entirely different thread speculating, throwing ideas around (they are about 20 pages behind us at this point lol) and on the original thread now, people are upset about it. Etsy Etc is a public forum, right? People can discuss anything?

[homecrafter]

Do we know if there is a reward? Bottom line, I think she suspects he took off and doesn't want to admit it.

The reward is at $15,000. Not sure if that is mainly from Nic's company, family, or if donations were included in that amount.

[RainyNiteNTx]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Ok. The more I read here and other blogs and boards, the more I am convinced he walked away. I think Christine suspects it as well. Hence the staunchly defensive mode she is always in and her comments about him not being a coward. I think SHE thinks he left and her "coward" comment was meant for him to hear. QUOTE] <snipped>

Sunday Moon - I have always thought along with others on here that she was sending a message directly to Nicholas when she spoke of him not being a coward. Welcome aboard.

[desmom]

Originally posted by Nellie


Exactly! If what C has said about the kids is true...then they have not been shielded from any of this. That's sad. [/*]

ITA! When CF said her 4 year old had a meltdown, I was :eek: what did CF tell this baby?

[homecrafter]

Etsy Etc is a public forum, right? People can discuss anything?

Yes, people can discuss anything in the etc. section not related to Etsy. Sellers ages range from young teenager to retired great grandmothers. It seems mainly the younger folk instigate the 'inappropriate' sex, boob, threads. Many don't realize that things like that can hurt their business...of course it may help it within their age group who find humor in them.

[Sunday Moon]

Thanks, Rainy! I was a member of Court TV since 2003 and then when I tried to log in last week I couldn't use my name or password so I had to reregister. I was Sunday Moon then, too. :)

I'm just really perplexed. I would feel better about Christine if she made a plea about giving money to a reward fund or something but seriously. The kids don't need clothes or care packages right now. She needs to quit feeling sorry for herself and quit being all defensive and all ME ME ME and focus on finding Nicholas. It's NOT about her nor should it be. Instead of posting messages and yelling at people on the Internet she needs to become more proactive and less of a victim.

[homecrafter]

Link to family photos. I know C is in the camping trip phots

http://flickr.com/photos/francisco

[desmom]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Does anyone have a link to a picture of Christine?

I know there are plenty of Nicholas but am curious what she looks like since I have missed all of the TV interviews of her.

Just curious and nothing more... [/*]

There are a couple pics here http://thefranciscos.com/
towar the bottom.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Thanks, Rainy! I was a member of Court TV since 2003 and then when I tried to log in last week I couldn't use my name or password so I had to reregister. I was Sunday Moon then, too. :)

I'm just really perplexed. I would feel better about Christine if she made a plea about giving money to a reward fund or something but seriously. The kids don't need clothes or care packages right now. She needs to quit feeling sorry for herself and quit being all defensive and all ME ME ME and focus on finding Nicholas. It's NOT about her nor should it be. Instead of posting messages and yelling at people on the Internet she needs to become more proactive and less of a victim. [/*]

Very well put - I was actually on here a few years back and left when I found out how Jessica Lunsford died. I swore I would not get involved again, but its in my nature. Here I am :)

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Does anyone have a link to a picture of Christine?

I know there are plenty of Nicholas but am curious what she looks like since I have missed all of the TV interviews of her.

Just curious and nothing more... [/*]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=156925559

[homecrafter]

Look at the caption NF wrote under this. It makes me think he really loves her.

http://flickr.com/photos/francisco/1100317109/in/set-72157601408007004/

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom


There are a couple pics here http://thefranciscos.com/
towar the bottom. [/*]

Desmom - you are always so good at finding these links...there is a tv interview with her (one where she talks about his beat up car) and then one where she is all fixed up - Beth might like to see those also IF you know where they are. I wish we had a sticky thread.

[bitsy555]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Very well put - I was actually on here a few years back and left when I found out how Jessica Lunsford died. I swore I would not get involved again, but its in my nature. Here I am :) [/*]

That's funny...I was around during the Laci Peterson case. I haven't really gotten involved to deeply in a case since then. And lately here I am! I have also been reading about the Rowan Ford case.....how heartbreaking is that? I know I shouldn't get involved in that one!

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Does anyone have a link to a picture of Christine?

I know there are plenty of Nicholas but am curious what she looks like since I have missed all of the TV interviews of her.

Just curious and nothing more... [/*]

Here is a list of her interviews so you can see AND hear her!

Interview videos
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=6516902&src=news
Christine's interview on Greta's "On the Record":
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html
Interview on FoxNews Big Story
http://www.foxnews.com/bigstory/index.html
Clip of Interview with Nancy Grace on CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/02/22/ng.nicholas.francisco.cnn

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I'm sorry if this has been posted already, but does Christine work?? If not, or if Nicholas was the main money-maker, if I had kids and had another one on the way, money would definitely be one of my main concerns too. JMO [/*]

Yeah.. I said that yesterday. I use to be a stay at home mom. If my ex had come up missing.. I would have freaked about money.

I think most people are saying that it was just too soon for them to be comfortable.

I don't know. I have mixed feelings about it. It isn't a huge red flag to me but I think now.. since so many on etsy are donating some of their profits to her and others are giving.. she should be letting people know how it is going to help find Nicholas and helping her family. New clothes and gift cards are not a priority.

[carterkatt]

I do not want to think he left... but the alternative is worse... but you know how some men freak at the responsibility of a new baby on the way....? well? Is this something to think about?

We read about so many pregnant women that are killed, etc. due to the stress on the father..... I am sure there are many men that run upon hearing they are going to be fathers (again).

I hate to think this can be the case, but, you never know. Babies certainly aren't cheap and stretch a budget.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Curiouser


Here is a list of her interviews so you can see AND hear her!

Interview videos
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=4226712&cl=6516902&src=news
Christine's interview on Greta's "On the Record":
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html
Interview on FoxNews Big Story
http://www.foxnews.com/bigstory/index.html
Clip of Interview with Nancy Grace on CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/02/22/ng.nicholas.francisco.cnn [/*]

Thanks - I'm going to try and remember this page number so I can watch when I have some real time.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thanks - I'm going to try and remember this page number so I can watch when I have some real time. [/*]

If you go to Etsy.com and click on Community and then Forums and go to Etc. clear at the bottom, you can find all the threads they've had. They're all titled with Nicholas and Christine Francisco in the title and each and every thread lists these interview sites plus about a foot long post of anything and everything else you'd ever want to look at concerning the Franciscos.

[desmom]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Desmom - you are always so good at finding these links...there is a tv interview with her (one where she talks about his beat up car) and then one where she is all fixed up - Beth might like to see those also IF you know where they are. I wish we had a sticky thread. [/*]

There is a link on this page in the middle of the story (Video: Click here to watch Christine Francisco's interview): http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html to the Greta interview.

Nancy Grace interview: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/02/22/ng.nicholas.francisco.cnn

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Curiouser


If you go to Etsy.com and click on Community and then Forums and go to Etc. clear at the bottom, you can find all the threads they've had. They're all titled with Nicholas and Christine Francisco in the title and each and every thread lists these interview sites plus about a foot long post of anything and everything else you'd ever want to look at concerning the Franciscos. [/*]

Oh okay thanks :) I think I know which ones you're talking about - just never took the time to sift through all the lines.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom


There is a link on this page in the middle of the story (Video: Click here to watch Christine Francisco's interview): http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331671,00.html to the Greta interview.

Nancy Grace interview: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/02/22/ng.nicholas.francisco.cnn [/*]

Thanks :seeya:

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Yeah.. I said that yesterday. I use to be a stay at home mom. If my ex had come up missing.. I would have freaked about money.

I think most people are saying that it was just too soon for them to be comfortable.

I don't know. I have mixed feelings about it. It isn't a huge red flag to me but I think now.. since so many on etsy are donating some of their profits to her and others are giving.. she should be letting people know how it is going to help find Nicholas and helping her family. New clothes and gift cards are not a priority. [/*]

I agree, maybe she just was overwhelmed at the time and mentioned something to her sis or whoever and the Etsians just got carried away. However, she comes on now and then and asks for more prayers and such but hardly ever even says thank you and especially doesn't go into any long thank yous like she does with the long threads complaining about what people are saying about her. It bugs me when people (any people) can't say thank you!

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Oh okay thanks :) I think I know which ones you're talking about - just never took the time to sift through all the lines. [/*]

Once you get the one of these threads, there isn't much sifting necessary as they keep running this litany of sites over and over on each thread. There is a bit of sifting necessary though on the list itself to find the interview you're looking for I guess.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Re: the Greta interview..... watch her eyes. [/*]

OK, I went back and rewatched the Greta interview and watched her eyes. Are you referring to the way she keeps batting them and shutting them or something else??

[desmom]

LE's statement "We have no motivation that he would voluntarily leave" brings up a few questions.

Who did LE get their info from about NF? IMO, the info would have came from his wife, coworkers, friends, mother and sisters.

Would NF talk to his coworkers about any marital problems? A woman might, but I don't think too many men would talk about their marriage with another coworker.

Mother, sisters and friends - Maybe. Some people are very open about everything in their lives and others keep it inside. Is NF the type of person who keeps his personal life/problems inside?

CF - If they were having problems, would CF tell LE? :shrug:

I find it interesting NF's sisters and mother have not made any statements since their interviews last weekend.

jmo

[desmom]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
This woman is not grief stricken...... she is furious. [/*]

It sure made the alarms on my hinky meter go off.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
This woman is not grief stricken...... she is furious. [/*]

If you watch one of the first interviews she did, where she is on the couch with her little girl, she is almost shouting about the LE having to find her husband or else the kids and the new baby won't have a daddy. She seems very angry in that one!

I wouldn't think you'd be angry if you felt your husband had been a victim of foul play BUT you would probably be very angry if you thought he had just up and left you.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Curiouser


I agree, maybe she just was overwhelmed at the time and mentioned something to her sis or whoever and the Etsians just got carried away. However, she comes on now and then and asks for more prayers and such but hardly ever even says thank you and especially doesn't go into any long thank yous like she does with the long threads complaining about what people are saying about her. It bugs me when people (any people) can't say thank you! [/*]

I completely agree Curiouser!

Say something.. Thank you.. this is what we are planning.. etc. Plus.. stop complaining and start looking.. DO SOMETHING. That part is annoying me personally.

I had my car stolen and I was out driving around the streets looking for it. I didn't have ANY clue where it might be but it bugged me to no end that it was out there somewhere.. someone had it.. and the answer was out there and not in my living room. I borrowed who evers car I could.. any chance I got to go look for it. I HAD to go look for it. So, I don't understand her not out there looking. This is a human being.. not a vehicle. I would have driven the route at least a dozen times by now.. and walked everywhere he may have walked. I don't know.. maybe that is just me.

[desmom]

Originally posted by Curiouser


If you watch one of the first interviews she did, where she is on the couch with her little girl, she is almost shouting about the LE having to find her husband or else the kids and the new baby won't have a daddy. She seems very angry in that one!

I wouldn't think you'd be angry if you felt your husband had been a victim of foul play BUT you would probably be very angry if you thought he had just up and left you. [/*]

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_021608WAB_missing_seatac_man_KS.cbc94803.html

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I completely agree Curiouser!

Say something.. Thank you.. this is what we are planning.. etc. Plus.. stop complaining and start looking.. DO SOMETHING. That part is annoying me personally.

I had my car stolen and I was out driving around the streets looking for it. I didn't have ANY clue where it might be but it bugged me to no end that it was out there somewhere.. someone had it.. and the answer was out there and not in my living room. I borrowed who evers car I could.. any chance I got to go look for it. I HAD to go look for it. So, I don't understand her not out there looking. This is a human being.. not a vehicle. I would have driven the route at least a dozen times by now.. and walked everywhere he may have walked. I don't know.. maybe that is just me. [/*]

No, not just you. I would probably have still been camped at that apartment complex, wandering around the storage units, putting up fliers, driving around, anythingggggggggggg besides sitting at home.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I completely agree Curiouser!

Say something.. Thank you.. this is what we are planning.. etc. Plus.. stop complaining and start looking.. DO SOMETHING. That part is annoying me personally.

I had my car stolen and I was out driving around the streets looking for it. I didn't have ANY clue where it might be but it bugged me to no end that it was out there somewhere.. someone had it.. and the answer was out there and not in my living room. I borrowed who evers car I could.. any chance I got to go look for it. I HAD to go look for it. So, I don't understand her not out there looking. This is a human being.. not a vehicle. I would have driven the route at least a dozen times by now.. and walked everywhere he may have walked. I don't know.. maybe that is just me. [/*]

Now I completely agree with you MystryPhobia!

We live on a golf course and have even been known to go back out in the evening to try to find golf balls lost during play that day!! So I cannot begin to imagine just sitting at home if a family member were lost. Especially since she seems to have plenty of people around to take care of the kids and feed them, etc.

[omsk99]

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=53372

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Curiouser


If you watch one of the first interviews she did, where she is on the couch with her little girl, she is almost shouting about the LE having to find her husband or else the kids and the new baby won't have a daddy. She seems very angry in that one!

I wouldn't think you'd be angry if you felt your husband had been a victim of foul play BUT you would probably be very angry if you thought he had just up and left you. [/*]

Call me silly but is this the same woman who's wifes intuition says he met with foul play. If LE were to find him, what state does she think he would be in? She's been implying that he's dead but wants LE to find him alive and drag him back. IMO JMO

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by huskiki


Call me silly but is this the same woman who's wifes intuition says he met with foul play. If LE were to find him, what state does she think he would be in? She's been implying that he's dead but wants LE to find him alive and drag him back. IMO JMO [/*]

Did you notice the last statement she makes, "I will not let this rest till my husband is found!!" Maybe if he did just run away, he saw this and is scared to come back!! MOO

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki


Call me silly but is this the same woman who's wifes intuition says he met with foul play. If LE were to find him, what state does she think he would be in? She's been implying that he's dead but wants LE to find him alive and drag him back. IMO JMO [/*]

Great minds think alike - it was like she was demanding that they find him and bring him back. I think she thinks he left her.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Curiouser


Did you notice the last statement she makes, "I will not let this rest till my husband is found!!" Maybe if he did just run away, he saw this and is scared to come back!! MOO [/*]

I'm sorry but I officially cannot stand this woman. She wipes away tears that aren't there. And why would any mother do that in front of her kids?!

Curiouser, I think you're right. Poor Nicholas is running scared. I mean really, why would he come back (except for the kids sake) to a wife who has plastered their life and finances all over the media?

[desmom]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Great minds think alike - it was like she was demanding that they find him and bring him back. I think she thinks he left her. [/*]

I have a sneaky suspicion this woman has not been told "no" too many times and she is used to having things her way.

jmo

[Sunday Moon]

What does everyone think about this other missing man? Does anyone think the cases can be related? What are the odds that two men go missing around the same time from the same area? And I also find it odd that the other man's wife works at the very same Costco that Nicholas was supposed to go to that night. Just....weird. MY gut is saying that some kind of plan was devised. I am wondering about the car of the other man, too. Is that missing? I am just trying to think of all possible scenarios here.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
What does everyone think about this other missing man? Does anyone think the cases can be related? What are the odds that two men go missing around the same time from the same area? And I also find it odd that the other man's wife works at the very same Costco that Nicholas was supposed to go to that night. Just....weird. MY gut is saying that some kind of plan was devised. I am wondering about the car of the other man, too. Is that missing? I am just trying to think of all possible scenarios here. [/*]


There isn't much information on the other man who is missing. I heard some speculation that perhaps Nicholas was gay ...I can't even remember where I read it so I wouldn't read too much into that. It does seem strange that two men go missing from the same area within 24 hours of each other. Stranger yet that the other mans wife doesn't appear to be looking for him, at least I have heard of anything about it.

All good questions you have, I wish we could find out more about that.

[omsk99]

I don't know either family, but from what I read, I think Nicholas just took off.



:rose:

[Breazy]

Hello All!!

I haven't posted here in a few days but have been following. It usually takes me all day just to catch up in between getting my day job done. lol.

Ok, I'm going to be the bad guy here . . .

Nellie touched on this a few pages back but does anyone think there's even a remote chance that Christine did something to Nicholas? She just seems so overbearing and manipulative and yes, angry. Like she did something to him and in her mind is angry and blames him, like he made her do it. Anyone think she could have been abusing Nicholas behind closed doors? It does happen, you know. And those abused go out of their way to hide it and paint a completely different picture. Also abusers usually blame the one abused. Maybe he forgot the sugar and she got angry and snapped. Anyone think her constant need to make clear that he wouldn't run away could be reverse psychology in a way, taking the focus off the fact that she could have done something? Does anyone know if the home has been searched? I don't think so and that disturbs me as that would be one of the first things done if the roles were reversed. Then, the too quick jump into letting people know they were in trouble financially BEFORE she was even on Greta stating they were no worse off than any other couple. Also her stating emphatically that she didn't even know the condo complex where the car was found even existed. Why would she feel the need to say that? WTH is up with her not begging and pleading for people to HELP HER find her husband instead of saying if YOU don't find him, my children and new baby won't have a daddy? Then also about her stating she would not be at the prayer vigil? I'm sure she didn't hesitate to take the donations that were taken up at that prayer vigil on her behalf. I'm not saying I'm necessarily sold on this scenario, just something to think about . . .

A very strange case.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki



There isn't much information on the other man who is missing. I heard some speculation that perhaps Nicholas was gay ...I can't even remember where I read it so I wouldn't read too much into that. It does seem strange that two men go missing from the same area within 24 hours of each other. Stranger yet that the other mans wife doesn't appear to be looking for him, at least I have heard of anything about it.

All good questions you have, I wish we could find out more about that. [/*]

This was posted on Page 3 by huskiki...

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Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Exactly, there is another man who went missing Valentines Day in the same area as Nicholas. I googled and found his alert, but no pic. [/*]
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His name is Viliamu Fale. I posted a link here earlier for people to check out the comments. http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5807

The site that has him missing also has Nicholas missing with no picture, it could just be how the site operates, not sure.


__________________
~kim~

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I keep hearing in my mind Nicholas saying to someone...."if Christine ever found out, she'd kill me"

Good reason to dirve right pass the cut-off leading to your home and just keep on going..... [/*]


Or maybe she did find out . . . just saying.

[ruby]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
*SNIPPED*


His name is Viliamu Fale. I posted a link here earlier for people to check out the comments. http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=5807

The site that has him missing also has Nicholas missing with no picture, it could just be how the site operates, not sure.


__________________
~kim~ [/*]

Why is no one looking for Viliamu???

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Breazy
Hello All!!

I haven't posted here in a few days but have been following. It usually takes me all day just to catch up in between getting my day job done. lol.

Ok, I'm going to be the bad guy here . . .

Nellie touched on this a few pages back but does anyone think there's even a remote chance that Christine did something to Nicholas? She just seems so overbearing and manipulative and yes, angry. Like she did something to him and in her mind is angry and blames him, like he made her do it. Anyone think she could have been abusing Nicholas behind closed doors? It does happen, you know. And those abused go out of their way to hide it and paint a completely different picture. Also abusers usually blame the one abused. Maybe he forgot the sugar and she got angry and snapped. Anyone think her constant need to make clear that he wouldn't run away could be reverse psychology in a way, taking the focus off the fact that she could have done something? Does anyone know if the home has been searched? I don't think so and that disturbs me as that would be one of the first things done if the roles were reversed. Then, the too quick jump into letting people know they were in trouble financially BEFORE she was even on Greta stating they were no worse off than any other couple. Also her stating emphatically that she didn't even know the condo complex where the car was found even existed. Why would she feel the need to say that? WTH is up with her not begging and pleading for people to HELP HER find her husband instead of saying if YOU don't find him, my children and new baby won't have a daddy? Then also about her stating she would not be at the prayer vigil? I'm sure she didn't hesitate to take the donations that were taken up at that prayer vigil on her behalf. I'm not saying I'm necessarily sold on this scenario, just something to think about . . .

A very strange case. [/*]

I know one of the posters here has mentioned a couple of times about the four hour time frame - wondered if any neighbor saw his car at home - saw cars leaving, etc.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by ruby


Why is no one looking for Viliamu??? [/*]

I don't know Ruby - its sad - I googled his name and found a nice company website but didn't post it because I wasn't sure if I could/should. It is a lumber company (he supposedly worked at a lumber company) and it lists his name as one of the warehouse workers. Looks like a nice big company - I don't know why they wouldn't do something for him.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I know one of the posters here has mentioned a couple of times about the four hour time frame - wondered if any neighbor saw his car at home - saw cars leaving, etc. [/*]


I know. No reports of searching the home, questioning the neighbors, family, associates, etc. Just makes me wonder.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Breazy



I know. No reports of searching the home, questioning the neighbors, family, associates, etc. Just makes me wonder. [/*]

Definately not the same treatment a man would have gotten if his wife went missing.

I still say the computer needs to be checked.

[Nellie]

Here's my question.
How close was Christine to this Etsy group BEFORE Nicholas went missing.
The reason I'm asking is the group I saw this happen on....when it first began happening I was scratching my head and saying "Who's this?". This person had not been actively involved with talking with our group....she just came out of nowhere saying her husband had cancer and the fund raising began.
So, I have to wonder....how much interaction did really have with these women before he went missing? I'm just curious because reading it now you would think they are all the bestest, closest friends with her, but she really leaves them hanging.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by huskiki



There isn't much information on the other man who is missing. I heard some speculation that perhaps Nicholas was gay ...I can't even remember where I read it so I wouldn't read too much into that. It does seem strange that two men go missing from the same area within 24 hours of each other. Stranger yet that the other mans wife doesn't appear to be looking for him, at least I have heard of anything about it.

All good questions you have, I wish we could find out more about that. [/*]

do we know the other man's name?
why in the world would his wife not be looking for him?
why would nicholas be in the news and not this man?
do we know for sure this happened?
it's so strange....
i think i can almost see nick leaving his wife, but not his kids....i can't imagine him wanting to leave his kids and worry them....unless christine threatened that he'd never see them again if he.....i don't know.....i just don't know....
we need to find out more about this other missing man.....that is too weird.....

edited to say i see his name now....
i posted that before i finished reading....so sorry.......

[huskiki]

Originally posted by soyesterday


do we know the other man's name?
why in the world would his wife not be looking for him?
why would nicholas be in the news and not this man?
do we know for sure this happened?
it's so strange....
i think i can almost see nick leaving his wife, but not his kids....i can't imagine him wanting to leave his kids and worry them....unless christine threatened that he'd never see them again if he.....i don't know.....i just don't know....
we need to find out more about this other missing man.....that is too weird..... [/*]

His name is Viliamu Fale. Here's the only link I can find on him being missing: http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php?wac=08M0003445

I can see him leaving Christine but I can never see how someone could leave a child.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by Nellie
Here's my question.
How close was Christine to this Etsy group BEFORE Nicholas went missing.
The reason I'm asking is the group I saw this happen on....when it first began happening I was scratching my head and saying "Who's this?". This person had not been actively involved with talking with our group....she just came out of nowhere saying her husband had cancer and the fund raising began.
So, I have to wonder....how much interaction did really have with these women before he went missing? I'm just curious because reading it now you would think they are all the bestest, closest friends with her, but she really leaves them hanging. [/*]

Nellie
do you know where that other woman is from?
is that the one from NH?

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Breazy
Hello All!!

I haven't posted here in a few days but have been following. It usually takes me all day just to catch up in between getting my day job done. lol.

Ok, I'm going to be the bad guy here . . .

Nellie touched on this a few pages back but does anyone think there's even a remote chance that Christine did something to Nicholas? She just seems so overbearing and manipulative and yes, angry. Like she did something to him and in her mind is angry and blames him, like he made her do it. Anyone think she could have been abusing Nicholas behind closed doors? It does happen, you know. And those abused go out of their way to hide it and paint a completely different picture. Also abusers usually blame the one abused. Maybe he forgot the sugar and she got angry and snapped. Anyone think her constant need to make clear that he wouldn't run away could be reverse psychology in a way, taking the focus off the fact that she could have done something? Does anyone know if the home has been searched? I don't think so and that disturbs me as that would be one of the first things done if the roles were reversed. Then, the too quick jump into letting people know they were in trouble financially BEFORE she was even on Greta stating they were no worse off than any other couple. Also her stating emphatically that she didn't even know the condo complex where the car was found even existed. Why would she feel the need to say that? WTH is up with her not begging and pleading for people to HELP HER find her husband instead of saying if YOU don't find him, my children and new baby won't have a daddy? Then also about her stating she would not be at the prayer vigil? I'm sure she didn't hesitate to take the donations that were taken up at that prayer vigil on her behalf. I'm not saying I'm necessarily sold on this scenario, just something to think about . . .

A very strange case. [/*]

If you're asking do we think she killed him or something like that, then no I don't think so. BUT she may have done something else like have a big fight with him and he decided to leave and now she's trying not to blame herself.

I do think too, though, if he did leave after a fight, that it wasn't a spur of the moment stomping out kind of thing but rather that he had been thinking about it for awhile and maybe this was just the last straw so he put whatever plan he had into action and didn't come home.

I doubt that she was physically abusing him but maybe mental abuse??

What is that old quote, something like "thou doest protest too much." The more she harps on the fact that he would never ever leave, the more you wonder. Back to the anger thing, she doesn't really seem to be that hurt by the speculation that he left but more angry about it. Once again, MOO!

[Track292003]

Breazy, Nellie, RainyNite, et al.

You have raised some issues that bother me as well. E.g., has any effort been made by LE to be sure he didn't come home the evening of February 13? Maybe he did forget the sugar or something else happened to cause a row. He left, and Christine started digging through the PayPal account.

Or -- they could have had the argument the evening of February 12, so that he had a day to be sure his cell phone was not charging, to get some money from PayPal, to make plans to "sign off" on something and then be gone.

Any more ideas?

P. S. -- Personally I don't think Christine actually harmed him, but I think they may have had quite an argument. MOO.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by Curiouser


If you're asking do we think she killed him or something like that, then no I don't think so. BUT she may have done something else like have a big fight with him and he decided to leave and now she's trying not to blame herself.

I do think too, though, if he did leave after a fight, that it wasn't a spur of the moment stomping out kind of thing but rather that he had been thinking about it for awhile and maybe this was just the last straw so he put whatever plan he had into action and didn't come home.

I doubt that she was physically abusing him but maybe mental abuse??

What is that old quote, something like "thou doest protest too much." The more she harps on the fact that he would never ever leave, the more you wonder. Back to the anger thing, she doesn't really seem to be that hurt by the speculation that he left but more angry about it. Once again, MOO! [/*]

K yeah i was just thinking this....maybe they got in a fight....and he was like "i've had enough!"......and he just didn't come home....
and she was like "OMG....i can't believe he didn't come home.....he would never do that to us".....
so she spent those 4 hours thinking....."what do i do know? how do i face people?....i'm going to report him missing and take it to the media.....i'll get back at him and get money while i'm at it".....
i don't know.....i need to watch her interviews and see what kind of vibe i get from her.....were there ever any real tears???

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
His name is Viliamu Fale and works in Kent WA [/*]

What sense do you get about him?

[huskiki]

In other news ...Diana over at Etsy is having quite the time with the other posters who don't think it's appropriate for her to have started the new thread. Too bad folks!

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5490165&page=7

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
His name is Viliamu Fale and works in Kent WA [/*]

Did you google his name? If so, a company will come up with pictures of employees (his is not listed however), but shows he worked in the warehouse.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by soyesterday


K yeah i was just thinking this....maybe they got in a fight....and he was like "i've had enough!"......and he just didn't come home....
and she was like "OMG....i can't believe he didn't come home.....he would never do that to us".....
so she spent those 4 hours thinking....."what do i do know? how do i face people?....i'm going to report him missing and take it to the media.....i'll get back at him and get money while i'm at it".....
i don't know.....i need to watch her interviews and see what kind of vibe i get from her.....were there ever any real tears??? [/*]

Not that I saw

[isitme]

And then they locked that one thread at Etsy. Sad that the closed minded few can go on for thousands of pages basically saying the same thing over and over again and it is still hanging around. They have a blog for the prayers and support so why aren't they closing those threads and telling them to move it to their off site blog????

Ok I will shut up now it. I'm just frustrated an PO'd with it all . . .

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by isitme
And then they locked that one thread at Etsy. Sad that the closed minded few can go on for thousands of pages basically saying the same thing over and over again and it is still hanging around. They have a blog for the prayers and support so why aren't they closing those threads and telling them to move it to their off site blog????

Ok I will shut up now it. I'm just frustrated an PO'd with it all . . . [/*]

Unbelievable :chicken:

[soyesterday]

has there been any confirmation that he was at that storage place?
a witness saw him there right?
what is the word on that?
do they have storage there?
was there a reason for him to be there?
has christine said anything about that?

[huskiki]

Originally posted by isitme
And then they locked that one thread at Etsy. Sad that the closed minded few can go on for thousands of pages basically saying the same thing over and over again and it is still hanging around. They have a blog for the prayers and support so why aren't they closing those threads and telling them to move it to their off site blog????

Ok I will shut up now it. I'm just frustrated an PO'd with it all . . . [/*]

Which thread was locked?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki


Which thread was locked? [/*]

The "sleuth" thread

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5490165&page=1

[MystryPhobia]

I just emailed King 5's newstip line about Viliamu Fale and the coincidences in the cases.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia
I just emailed King 5's newstip line about Viliamu Fale and the coincidences in the cases. [/*]

I'm glad because the poor man isn't even being mentioned. The Washington registry has him as missing and that seems to be it. I wish we knew what kind of car Fale drove.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


The "sleuth" thread

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5490165&page=1 [/*]

Ok, I thought that was the one you were talking about. I had to scroll all the way down to see that it was closed. Rat finks! Why did they close it down on her? Whatever happened to free speech? :patriot:

[MystryPhobia]

This is what I sent..

Maybe others can send something similar and we can get someone to do some investigating of it.

I read on a blog somewhere that he was found safe but I can't find it now and if it gets them to continue to keep Nicholas' face in the news then all the better.

Anyway.. here it is..

There has been talk on blogs about a missing Auburn man. His name is Viliamu Fale. He is 30 years old, married, worked at Lumber Products Kent and went missing on 2/14/08. We haven't heard anything about this missing man in the news.. from the family.. nothing. There has been talk that he may have been found but we can't find anything more about that and he is still listed on the Washington State Missing Persons website.

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php?wac=08M0003445

We have heard that the wife of this man works at the Costco where the other missing man, Nicholas Francisco was suppose to go before going home the night that he went missing. They are around the same age. They are both listed as being of Asian or Pacific / Islander Descent.

Hopefully you guys can do some digging and find out more.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia
This is what I sent..

Maybe others can send something similar and we can get someone to do some investigating of it.

I read on a blog somewhere that he was found safe but I can't find it now and if it gets them to continue to keep Nicholas' face in the news then all the better.

Anyway.. here it is..

There has been talk on blogs about a missing Auburn man. His name is Viliamu Fale. He is 30 years old, married, worked at Lumber Products Kent and went missing on 2/14/08. We haven't heard anything about this missing man in the news.. from the family.. nothing. There has been talk that he may have been found but we can't find anything more about that and he is still listed on the Washington State Missing Persons website.

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php?wac=08M0003445

We have heard that the wife of this man works at the Costco where the other missing man, Nicholas Francisco was suppose to go before going home the night that he went missing. They are around the same age. They are both listed as being of Asian or Pacific / Islander Descent.

Hopefully you guys can do some digging and find out more. [/*]

I hadn't realized they were of the same ethnic background. Maybe they're distant cousins or something or maybe met each other somehow because of being from the same area. HMMMM...

[Nellie]

http://www.sentinel.org/node/8824

A new article....about his sisters.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by Curiouser


I hadn't realized they were of the same ethnic background. Maybe they're distant cousins or something or maybe met each other somehow because of being from the same area. HMMMM... [/*]

Yeah.. I thought that was interesting too.

There was also a poster that found a Federal Way address of a Fray that is within 5 miles of where the car was found.

It wasn't him but could be a family member.

Not sure how common that name is.

Alot of coincidences tho!

I already got a reply from someone at King 5. They were asking what agency was handling the disappearance and if I had found a picture.

I haven't found one.. has anyone else?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Nellie
http://www.sentinel.org/node/8824

A new article....about his sisters. [/*]

Christine told Fox News that her husband would come home if he could and that no one would hate him.


what??????

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Yeah.. I thought that was interesting too.

There was also a poster that found a Federal Way address of a Fray that is within 5 miles of where the car was found.

It wasn't him but could be a family member.

Not sure how common that name is.

Alot of coincidences tho!

I already got a reply from someone at King 5. They were asking what agency was handling the disappearance and if I had found a picture.

I haven't found one.. has anyone else? [/*]

No picture on the Washington registry.

[soyesterday]

Do we know if the other missing man's car is missing too?
Was his wife expecting him to meet her there or anything?
Was he going to pick her up?
We need more information about this other man. It doesn't make any sense that the news isn't covering him too. What does it take to call or email a newstation about a missing person?
None of it makes any sense.....and i'm more confused than ever. Things like this bug the heck out of me.
Why is there NO information about this other man???
Where is his wife????

[RainyNiteNTx]

Rut Roh - the good thread has been closed as well...

http://www.etsy.com/forums_thread.php?thread_id=5484821&page=102

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by soyesterday
Do we know if the other missing man's car is missing too?
Was his wife expecting him to meet her there or anything?
Was he going to pick her up?
We need more information about this other man. It doesn't make any sense that the news isn't covering him too. What does it take to call or email a newstation about a missing person?
None of it makes any sense.....and i'm more confused than ever. Things like this bug the heck out of me.
Why is there NO information about this other man???
Where is his wife???? [/*]

I have read that she works at Costco but please don't hold me to that.

Does no one think it strange that C says no one would hate NF if he came home? Did I misread that?

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I have read that she works at Costco but please don't hold me to that.

Does no one think it strange that C says no one would hate NF if he came home? Did I misread that? [/*]

Yeah it doesn't seem to go together right?
Didn't she say something like....."he would come home if he could and noone would hate him"?

It's almost contridicting. Like "he would come home if he could (saying that he DID not go off on his own) and "noone would hate him" (like he DOES have a choice cuz he left on his own....but noone would hate him if he just came back")
cuz of course noone would hate him if someone kidnapped him and killed him......that just doesn't make sense....
am i making sense? lol

[dianaelaine]

Hi there!

This is Diana, the woman who started the thread over at Etsy.

I shall NOT say how upset I am ... because I'm afraid of what I might say. I'm also very hurt ... I was sincerely trying to help.

I just don't see what it would have hurt, to discuss this and see what could have come up.

If it were my husband, I would have wanted everything possible done, and that means anything I could try and think about ... the negative included.

Not once, did Christine herself come in and ask that the thread be stopped. If she had, I would have respected her and done so.

Glad to be here, hopefully I can discuss the case here, without retaliation.

Diana

[Danette44]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I completely agree Curiouser!

Say something.. Thank you.. this is what we are planning.. etc. Plus.. stop complaining and start looking.. DO SOMETHING. That part is annoying me personally.

I had my car stolen and I was out driving around the streets looking for it. I didn't have ANY clue where it might be but it bugged me to no end that it was out there somewhere.. someone had it.. and the answer was out there and not in my living room. I borrowed who evers car I could.. any chance I got to go look for it. I HAD to go look for it. So, I don't understand her not out there looking. This is a human being.. not a vehicle. I would have driven the route at least a dozen times by now.. and walked everywhere he may have walked. I don't know.. maybe that is just me. [/*]

:seeya: Hiya Mystry, I'm with you I would of been up and down them freeways, I would be on TV as mush as they would let me! But the more I read her post online the more I see it being all about ME,ME,ME! It looked like she had a car in the garage in her home picture (which by the way is a very nice home she lives in ) and I'm sure alot of people don't have that. Her choice of words do not do her justice! "COWARD", how do you put that into a sentence with My husband wouldn't walk away from his family, he loves us! First she said LOVED - then caught herself LOL jmoo

[dianaelaine]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Christine told Fox News that her husband would come home if he could and that no one would hate him.


what?????? [/*]

The way I took that was:

Not put together, but separate. Such as:

He would come home if he could.

Nobody would hate him

OR

Nobody hates him ... as in, nobody that she knows hates him enough to do him harm.

Maybe that's not the way she meant it, but that's how I took it.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Hi there!

This is Diana, the woman who started the thread over at Etsy.

I shall NOT say how upset I am ... because I'm afraid of what I might say. I'm also very hurt ... I was sincerely trying to help.

I just don't see what it would have hurt, to discuss this and see what could have come up.

If it were my husband, I would have wanted everything possible done, and that means anything I could try and think about ... the negative included.

Not once, did Christine herself come in and ask that the thread be stopped. If she had, I would have respected her and done so.

Glad to be here, hopefully I can discuss the case here, without retaliation.

Diana [/*]


Hi Diana!!!
Yes lol you can definately discuss anything here.
These people are all so nice here too.
And they MOO alot!!!!!!! Lol!

MOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by gagirl62


...does anyone else automatically think of Mary Kay LeTourneau (sp?) 's "lover" when they hear/read of this name??!!! Sounds like "Vili"..??? whatever his name is (!!!) [/*]

I think i recognize Mary Kay Le Tourneau's name, but don't know the name of her "lover"??

[dianaelaine]

Uhmmmmmmm what is MOO? :confused:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Hi there!

This is Diana, the woman who started the thread over at Etsy.

I shall NOT say how upset I am ... because I'm afraid of what I might say. I'm also very hurt ... I was sincerely trying to help.

I just don't see what it would have hurt, to discuss this and see what could have come up.

If it were my husband, I would have wanted everything possible done, and that means anything I could try and think about ... the negative included.

Not once, did Christine herself come in and ask that the thread be stopped. If she had, I would have respected her and done so.

Glad to be here, hopefully I can discuss the case here, without retaliation.

Diana [/*]

Welcome Diana - I saw what you tried to do and had no way to let you know we were here. If you read back you will see that everyone hopes desperately that Nicholas is found, but the crime board is for exploring every possible scenario no matter how unpleasant. Hang in there with us :seeya:

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Uhmmmmmmm what is MOO? :confused: [/*]

My Own Opinion

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


The way I took that was:

Not put together, but separate. Such as:

He would come home if he could.

Nobody would hate him

OR

Nobody hates him ... as in, nobody that she knows hates him enough to do him harm.

Maybe that's not the way she meant it, but that's how I took it. [/*]

Okay got it - put separately, it makes sense.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Uhmmmmmmm what is MOO? :confused: [/*]


Lol....someone on here was saying MOO at the end of her posts and i seriously thought she was "moo"ing at Christine....lol....like calling her a cow....
and i was like...."well that's kinda mean?" until i realized that MOO meant "my opinion only" lol..... OR MY OWN OPINION....LOL
then everyone started MOO ing at me lol.......
i was laughing pretty hard at myself that night........

but yes i realize that it is not funny at all about poor nicholas.....i want him to come home so bad.....

[SpecialK]

Originally posted by gagirl62


...does anyone else automatically think of Mary Kay LeTourneau (sp?) 's "lover" when they hear/read of this name??!!! Sounds like "Vili"..??? whatever his name is (!!!) [/*]

LOL, I did! I was thinking to myself -- what in the world could that kid possibly have to do with this??

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Breazy
Hello All!!

I haven't posted here in a few days but have been following. It usually takes me all day just to catch up in between getting my day job done. lol.

Ok, I'm going to be the bad guy here . . .

Nellie touched on this a few pages back but does anyone think there's even a remote chance that Christine did something to Nicholas? She just seems so overbearing and manipulative and yes, angry. Like she did something to him and in her mind is angry and blames him, like he made her do it. Anyone think she could have been abusing Nicholas behind closed doors? It does happen, you know. And those abused go out of their way to hide it and paint a completely different picture. Also abusers usually blame the one abused. Maybe he forgot the sugar and she got angry and snapped. Anyone think her constant need to make clear that he wouldn't run away could be reverse psychology in a way, taking the focus off the fact that she could have done something? Does anyone know if the home has been searched? I don't think so and that disturbs me as that would be one of the first things done if the roles were reversed. Then, the too quick jump into letting people know they were in trouble financially BEFORE she was even on Greta stating they were no worse off than any other couple. Also her stating emphatically that she didn't even know the condo complex where the car was found even existed. Why would she feel the need to say that? WTH is up with her not begging and pleading for people to HELP HER find her husband instead of saying if YOU don't find him, my children and new baby won't have a daddy? Then also about her stating she would not be at the prayer vigil? I'm sure she didn't hesitate to take the donations that were taken up at that prayer vigil on her behalf. I'm not saying I'm necessarily sold on this scenario, just something to think about . . .

A very strange case. [/*]

That has bug me too! Why haven't they taken her computers, search her home, give her a polygraph, my gosh when a woman is missing the husband better run fast!! Maybe if enough of us send emails to the police department in that town like we did in Drew Petersons town that they will do something, or at least let us know it's been done already. I know I'm grasping at straws, and it really does bother me there is no money being throwin towards the Reward, and no accountibilty.....all free...to do whatever she pleases......I know it's none of my business what she does with it, but I can still say it gripes me to no end....:biggrin:

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Curiouser


If you're asking do we think she killed him or something like that, then no I don't think so. BUT she may have done something else like have a big fight with him and he decided to leave and now she's trying not to blame herself.

I do think too, though, if he did leave after a fight, that it wasn't a spur of the moment stomping out kind of thing but rather that he had been thinking about it for awhile and maybe this was just the last straw so he put whatever plan he had into action and didn't come home.

I doubt that she was physically abusing him but maybe mental abuse??

What is that old quote, something like "thou doest protest too much." The more she harps on the fact that he would never ever leave, the more you wonder. Back to the anger thing, she doesn't really seem to be that hurt by the speculation that he left but more angry about it. Once again, MOO! [/*]


Not necessarily that she did anything physical to him, more mentally I think. But stranger things have happened. She just seems so overbearing and I'm speculating that he walked a very tight line. I just hope he's safe somewhere and lets those kids know he's alright.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Nellie
http://www.sentinel.org/node/8824

A new article....about his sisters. [/*]

:seeya: Hi Nellie, thank you - what else caught my eye in the news report is how she says......There is no trace of him left.”
....I just don't get her ........wording.......on things. To bad the police didn't go to the house and search that night to see if she had SUGAR!! jmoo

[Track292003]

Perhaps he forgot the sugar on Tuesday evening! We -- the public -- have no idea of what transpired at their home on Tuesday after work. But if they had a fight at that time -- with words, accusations, etc., being tossed around -- it would have given Nicholas a day to take care of a few loose ends -- e.g., being sure his phone was not operating correctly, having to "sign off on something" which would perhaps delay his arrival home, taking money from the PayPal account, and then just leaving.

Personally, I do not think she harmed him physically.

[isitme]

With all of the alleged discrepancies in what she has said I am beginning to wonder if she is even pregnant. I mean we only have her word on that right?:shrug:

[Track292003]

Originally posted by isitme
With all of the alleged discrepancies in what she has said I am beginning to wonder if she is even pregnant. I mean we only have her word on that right?:shrug: [/*]

Right!

[wondering?]

When you read the actual words of Christine then it makes more sense then just reading little parts of things.

Christine Francisco said her husband is a religious man who loved being a father to the couple's two toddlers and was thrilled to learn on his birthday last month that she was expecting their third child.

She said he would never voluntarily walk away from his responsibilities to his family.

"He is not a coward," she said.


Makes sense when it is all put together.

[bitsy555]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Hi there!

This is Diana, the woman who started the thread over at Etsy.

I shall NOT say how upset I am ... because I'm afraid of what I might say. I'm also very hurt ... I was sincerely trying to help.

I just don't see what it would have hurt, to discuss this and see what could have come up.

If it were my husband, I would have wanted everything possible done, and that means anything I could try and think about ... the negative included.

Not once, did Christine herself come in and ask that the thread be stopped. If she had, I would have respected her and done so.

Glad to be here, hopefully I can discuss the case here, without retaliation.

Diana [/*]

Hi Diana....We wondered how long they would let that thread go on over there. Isn't that crazy? You are asking the same questions we have all been asking.

But it is impossible to find out what happened to him if you don't explore all scenarios. No, I wouldn't want to find those things out about my husband if I were in that situation. But I would face it if I had to. I'd be doing everything I could to find him.

Glad you here by the way!

[Danette44]

I for one am glad to see them sites closed down - but I wonder how Poor Christine will take it.........that means no DONATIONS coming thur that site! JMOO :lol:

[wondering?]

And the following about "nobody would hate him"

NAUERT: Christine, what about that? Is there anything suspicious or anything that's come to your mind that would give police a clue where to look, who to talk to, anything?

C. FRANCISCO: No. Nobody would hate him. If you met him, you'd loved him. And that's just how it's always been. That's why there are so many people looking for him. That's why we're all so concerned, because he's not a coward. He would not run out on us. He loved us — loves us, and he's very excited about this baby and he would have no reason to leave. So...

[Danette44]

Originally posted by isitme
With all of the alleged discrepancies in what she has said I am beginning to wonder if she is even pregnant. I mean we only have her word on that right?:shrug: [/*]

OMG! I wondered about that also - was afraid to adress it....perhaps next we will hear this has caused a miscarriage.....not wishing that on her, but something just isn't right with this story......moo

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Danette44


OMG! I wondered about that also - was afraid to adress it....perhaps next we will hear this has caused a miscarriage.....not wishing that on her, but something just isn't right with this story......moo [/*]

She posted she felt the baby move -

[bitsy555]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


She posted she felt the baby move - [/*]

Is that possible when you are only a month or so along? I don't know...I've never had a baby.

[bitsy555]

Originally posted by sherryhefner



Ummmm.....no. [/*]

Well I didn't really think so. It's probably the size of peanut!

[Danette44]

Originally posted by wondering?
And the following about "nobody would hate him"

NAUERT: Christine, what about that? Is there anything suspicious or anything that's come to your mind that would give police a clue where to look, who to talk to, anything?

C. FRANCISCO: No. Nobody would hate him. If you met him, you'd loved him. And that's just how it's always been. That's why there are so many people looking for him. That's why we're all so concerned, because he's not a coward. He would not run out on us. He loved us — loves us, and he's very excited about this baby and he would have no reason to leave. So... [/*]

So wondering -....."He Loved Us" ...Loves Us......thats normal I guess.....past tense.........ok moo

[isitme]

Originally posted by sherryhefner


This whole thing about being pregnant has been so strange to me. Add it up...It is February...she is due in October. That's 8 months. She couldn't have known very long. Yet on several of her sites she states she is the mother of three (I guess the last one being the fetus).

Technically, the fetus is a baby and I have no problem with that but how many women would say they have 3 children when they have 2 and one just barely on the way? [/*]

Oh and don't forget that she posted on Etsy that she felt the baby move and went to call her husband. I have done the math and I know enough about the anatomy to know that just didn't happen!!!

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


She posted she felt the baby move - [/*]

Hiya Rainy - and thats possible at 7 weeks??? Even thou my son was born 34yrs ago I know I first felt his kicking at around 4.5 months.....I think......maybe 5 months......was I a late Bloomer???

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by sherryhefner



Surely you jest!:eek: [/*]

no and when someone expressed shock, others rallied around saying every woman's body/pregnancy is different. No matter what she says, 98% of them defend it.

[isitme]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
I don't want to appear disrespectful but maybe, just maybe, it was gas. ;) [/*]

It very well could have been gas but she has given birth to two other children so one would think those experiences would tell her it was gas and not the baby.

Sad part is that when she posted it not one of her faithful supporters questioned it.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Danette44


Hiya Rainy - and thats possible at 7 weeks??? Even thou my son was born 34yrs ago I know I first felt his kicking at around 4.5 months.....I think......maybe 5 months......was I a late Bloomer??? [/*]

Hey Danette - I'm thinking you were perfectly normal :)

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by sherryhefner


This whole thing about being pregnant has been so strange to me. Add it up...It is February...she is due in October. That's 8 months. She couldn't have known very long. Yet on several of her sites she states she is the mother of three (I guess the last one being the fetus).

Technically, the fetus is a baby and I have no problem with that but how many women would say they have 3 children when they have 2 and one just barely on the way? [/*]

It was reported that she lost a child last year. Perhaps she counts that child too.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by isitme


It very well could have been gas but she has given birth to two other children so one would think those experiences would tell her it was gas and not the baby.

Sad part is that when she posted it not one of her faithful supporters questioned it. [/*]

Sure didn't - I think one expressed surprise but that was it

[Danette44]

I have another questions - first I must be old because I don't recall this as a young mother - but - is it normal to "Home School", a 2 and 4 yr old? I know we sent out kids to pre-school, but she says she is a stay at home Mom and Home School her kids.....just curious

[desmom]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Uhmmmmmmm what is MOO? :confused: [/*]

Welcome to CTV Diana!

Here is a handy dandy little page that will explain all the acronyms you might see in some of our posts.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=248485

[desmom]

Originally posted by Danette44


:seeya: Hi Nellie, thank you - what else caught my eye in the news report is how she says......There is no trace of him left.”
....I just don't get her ........wording.......on things. To bad the police didn't go to the house and search that night to see if she had SUGAR!! jmoo [/*]

No trace of him left.....hmmmm....I wonder if any of his clothes are missing from home.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


She posted she felt the baby move - [/*]


Oh My Word..........
seriously?

(ok this might sound mean....and i will probably regret saying it after cuz if she's for real and something really did happen to Nick, that is just horribly sad, but if Nick is ok and just left and he comes back, then everyone will know what his wife is really like....which is someone that is not very.....i dunno....just "strange")
I just hope it's her emotions that are making her so strange acting......

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by bitsy555


Is that possible when you are only a month or so along? I don't know...I've never had a baby. [/*]

I have two children that were born in October. One on the 19th and ten years later one on the 24th. With both of them.. I got pregnant in January.

To be due in October.. the first day of her last period would have to be Christmas and that puts her with a due date of Oct. 1. The count from then on would be 9 weeks (which is only 7 weeks gestation since they count the time after your period as your pregnancy). So.. that would be the MOST pregnant she could be.. and be due in October. At that age the baby is about 0.6 - 0.7 inches long. She would NOT feel it moving.

[MystryPhobia]

And.. I was going to post this earlier but forgot.

The Mary Kay person was Vili Fualaau. So, it isn't the same name.

And.. ewww.. that whole situation is creepy!

[omsk99]

I really think think he just had enough and left on his own will (not that I approve of it!)

[desmom]

Originally posted by Danette44


Hiya Rainy - and thats possible at 7 weeks??? Even thou my son was born 34yrs ago I know I first felt his kicking at around 4.5 months.....I think......maybe 5 months......was I a late Bloomer??? [/*]

Same here so we both must have been late bloomers. :D

According to the Mayo Clinic, a 7 week fetus is 1/3 of an inch long and weighs less than an aspirin.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prenatal-care/PR00112

jmo

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I have two children that were born in October. One on the 19th and ten years later one on the 24th. With both of them.. I got pregnant in January.

To be due in October.. the first day of her last period would have to be Christmas and that puts her with a due date of Oct. 1. The count from then on would be 9 weeks (which is only 7 weeks gestation since they count the time after your period as your pregnancy). So.. that would be the MOST pregnant she could be.. and be due in October. At that age the baby is about 0.6 - 0.7 inches long. She would NOT feel it moving. [/*]

But Mystry - nobody corrected her - they just oohed and ahhed. Thats why that site was so bizarre.

[isitme]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


But Mystry - nobody corrected her - they just oohed and ahhed. Thats why that site was so bizarre. [/*]

Oh there were plenty of us that knew it couldn't be true. However questioning it there would have not been received well.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by isitme


Oh there were plenty of us that knew it couldn't be true. However questioning it there would have not been received well. [/*]

I understand - :)

[soldiermom]

Hi everyone. I've been lurking since this Nicholas went missing but never posted. I am with you RainyNiteNTx, the site etsy or whatever it's called was totally bizarre to me also. Very strange to say the least. as for her home schooling the children, I to have a 4 yr old and a 2 yr old at home and while we do projects and learning activities during the day I certainly don't proclaim to be "home schooling" them.

[desmom]

What if Nicholas was not "thrilled" to find out on his *-day they were expecting their 3rd child?

Re: the carjacking scenario: Would a carjacker lock the car doors and take the keys?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by soldiermom
Hi everyone. I've been lurking since this Nicholas went missing but never posted. I am with you RainyNiteNTx, the site etsy or whatever it's called was totally bizarre to me also. Very strange to say the least. as for her home schooling the children, I to have a 4 yr old and a 2 yr old at home and while we do projects and learning activities during the day I certainly don't proclaim to be "home schooling" them. [/*]

Hey soldiermom :) I swear I've never seen anything like it. As I said a few pages back I've been on numerous AOL boards - both fun and crime related, this board, etc. and I never could wrap my arms around it. I wondered about the homeschooling of a 1 year old also - it just seems she tells big stories - some people do (I know some myself). They aren't bad people but you have to take what they say with a grain of salt.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by desmom
What if Nicholas was not "thrilled" to find out on his *-day they were expecting their 3rd child?

Re: the carjacking scenario: Would a carjacker lock the car doors and take the keys? [/*]

I think the car was unlocked, but I don't understand why whoever had the car moved it around. If that person was the carjacker, would that make any sense at all?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


I think the car was unlocked, but I don't understand why whoever had the car moved it around. If that person was the carjacker, would that make any sense at all? [/*]

I know the keys were missing, but not sure the car was unlocked (I could be wrong, though). I totally agree with you, I find it very weird they would leave the car there, or anywhere for that matter.

[soldiermom]

Perhaps you are right desmom, maybe he was somewhat overwhelmed by the new addition to his family. And I can't imagine a carjacker locking the doors and taking the keys to the car he/she had stolen. What would be the prupose of that? Isn't his laptop missing from the car also? I'm thinking maybe he walked away. Or maybe that's what I want to believe as opposed the the other. I hope he is found or comes home safely.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by omsk99


I know the keys were missing, but not sure the car was unlocked (I could be wrong, though). I totally agree with you, I find it very weird they would leave the car there, or anywhere for that matter. [/*]

Where the car was found - is that any route on his way to Costco or home? Could the car have been acting up and he pulled in to look at it and something happened to him there?

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Hey soldiermom :) I swear I've never seen anything like it. As I said a few pages back I've been on numerous AOL boards - both fun and crime related, this board, etc. and I never could wrap my arms around it. I wondered about the homeschooling of a 1 year old also - it just seems she tells big stories - some people do (I know some myself). They aren't bad people but you have to take what they say with a grain of salt. [/*]

I know people Home School there kids - nowadays it seems safer - but I thought that was alittle to young. Christine made a comment in the newspaper clipping also about her stepping aside from the case until there is new news. She reminds me more and more of Scottie Boy! She is now avoiding the camera's, she needs to get on there and BEG the public to keep looking - not to forget he is out there somewhere, and to PLEASE find him and bring him home! moo

[soldiermom]

IIRC the complex isn't near his home or the store. Or it's off the beaten path so to speak. Didn't Christine say something to the effect "I didn't even know that complex exsisted". Or something to that effect. Which leads me to believe you probably don't go past it from their house to wherever.

[Danette44]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Where the car was found - is that any route on his way to Costco or home? Could the car have been acting up and he pulled in to look at it and something happened to him there? [/*]

I thought it was posted earlier that he had to pass his home to get his car where it was found.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by soldiermom
IIRC the complex isn't near his home or the store. Or it's off the beaten path so to speak. Didn't Christine say something to the effect "I didn't even know that complex exsisted". Or something to that effect. Which leads me to believe you probably don't go past it from their house to wherever. [/*]

There are three different ways that I can go home from almost anyplace in my town but I thought it might be a long shot. Car trouble could have made him pull over to that area, someone offer to help....and...

[Track292003]

I wonder if LE has looked into the whereabouts of people in the area who were recently paroled....

[desmom]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=4325797&page=1

"The car is unlocked, the ignition is intact," Urquhart said. "No bullet holes, no body, no blood. Nothing."

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Where the car was found - is that any route on his way to Costco or home? Could the car have been acting up and he pulled in to look at it and something happened to him there? [/*]

Where the car was found is 20 minutes past where his home is and where Costco is.

I put a map on here yesterday or the day before to show.. have to find it again.

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


There are three different ways that I can go home from almost anyplace in my town but I thought it might be a long shot. Car trouble could have made him pull over to that area, someone offer to help....and... [/*]

Here is the original post.


quote:
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Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I think all that was said was the the Costco was off the freeway to the west.. his home was to the east. The South Center area is RIGHT OFF THE freeway tho.. he wouldn't have gone west except to go to the Costco.

Here is map of where he was and where he was suppose to be.. etc.

http://i25.tinypic.com/205y2y8.jpg

A is his work in Seattle.
* is the South Center area where he was stopping at Costco
C is SeaTac where he lived
D is Federal Way where his car was found.

These are not the exact addresses (except A) but gives you the general idea.

Also.. people have said that the sighting of him in Burien is close to where his car was found.. which places him in the area. You can see Burien on the map.. it pretty much connects to SeaTac to the north.. so, that report wasn't right.

You can also see on the map where South Center is.. it is basically right where * is on the map.. right in the corner where I 405 and I 5 come together right there is the mall area. It is many many city blocks right there of businesses and the main mall. So.. you can see if he was travelling south from Seattle to go home.. why he would have to go the west (of I 5 and his home) to go to the South Center Costco. He didn't necessarily head west.. just enough to get over to that side of the freeway. [/*]
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http://i25.tinypic.com/2hporup.jpg

on the map you can tell that while there are probably several way that he could get home from his work... Seattle is surrounded by water to the east and west. Unless you are taking lots of back roads and have A LOT of extra time.. you would get on I 5 to get home.

[soyesterday]

Hey guys
did any of you happen to see my question about the storage place?
i might have missed an answer from someone....
i'm not sure....

[soyesterday]

ok are you all watching american idol???
i know you all are
i am too of course :)
but i have my laptop here w/ me refreshing every couple minutes so come and talk to me! :)

it's kinda eeary (sp?) around here cuz it's soooo quiet tonight.....

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by soyesterday
ok are you all watching american idol???
i know you all are
i am too of course :)
but i have my laptop here w/ me refreshing every couple minutes so come and talk to me! :) [/*]

not on here for a couple more hours:(

[carterkatt]

Ok... I admit it.. one eye on here.. one on Idol..

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by soyesterday
ok are you all watching american idol???
i know you all are
i am too of course :)
but i have my laptop here w/ me refreshing every couple minutes so come and talk to me! :)

it's kinda eeary (sp?) around here cuz it's soooo quiet tonight..... [/*]

What was your question.. I don't remember seeing it.

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


not on here for a couple more hours:( [/*]

lol....so where is everyone then?
hey....did you see my question about the storage place?
i'm gonna go try to find it and repost it k?

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by carterkatt
Ok... I admit it.. one eye on here.. one on Idol.. [/*]

haha.....me toooooo...

[soyesterday]

Originally posted by soyesterday
has there been any confirmation that he was at that storage place?
a witness saw him there right?
what is the word on that?
do they have storage there?
was there a reason for him to be there?
has christine said anything about that? [/*]

ok here is my question from earlier......

[desmom]

Originally posted by desmom
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=4325797&page=1


[QUOTE]"The car is unlocked, the ignition is intact," Urquhart said. "No bullet holes, no body, no blood. Nothing."[/QUOTE}

[/*]

Girl Scout was at the door with my cookies when I was typing this post and I forgot to add:

"oops, my bad...door was unlocked"

[Nellie]

Originally posted by dianaelaine


The way I took that was:

Not put together, but separate. Such as:

He would come home if he could.

Nobody would hate him

OR

Nobody hates him ... as in, nobody that she knows hates him enough to do him harm.

Maybe that's not the way she meant it, but that's how I took it. [/*]

Hi Diana! Welcome! And feel free to speak up here..we won't blast you, even if we disagree with you. Many different scenarios and opinions have been shared here already. Most of us have been uncomfortable with the money being thrown at Christine right off the bat. While I keep hearing over and over that she never asked for it, I disagree. Telling ANYONE that she desperately needs money so soon after he went missing so they can pass the word....IS asking for it. Then she even said herself that she looked at his pay pal and realized he was shielding him from their debt. Now what she could tell about their bills by his pay pal is beyond me. And then to let it be known through someone else (I think her sister) that the finances were bad before he went missing and were in crisis now....is a way of asking for money. IF she didn't put that word out (even through others), people at Etsy would never had known things were so desperate for her.

I see your different way of looking at "nobody would hate him" as interesting and plausible. But, the "would hate him" made me think more that she is saying no one would hate him if he took off and came home, rather than no one hates him enough to do him harm. It's the word "would" that changes it for me.....plus following the coming home part. It's almost like a message to him to come home and no one would hate him.

But, I guess only Christine knows what she meant.

I'm curious. Did you ever know or speak to Christine BEFORE Nicholas went missing? Was she active on the Etsy board before this horrible event?

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by soyesterday


ok here is my question from earlier...... [/*]

oooh good questions.

Not sure about the confirmation. Not that I have heard.

I don't believe that they have a storage there.

I haven't seen Christine say anything about the facts of the case except for what she said about him not knowing about those condos or ever being there. I doubt she has. Most of her posts aren't about the facts.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by carterkatt
Ok... I admit it.. one eye on here.. one on Idol.. [/*]

Omigosh, me too!!!! LOL! I like the boys better...sorry o/t for just a second.

[desmom]

Originally posted by soyesterday


ok here is my question from earlier......

has there been any confirmation that he was at that storage place?
a witness saw him there right?
what is the word on that?
do they have storage there?
was there a reason for him to be there?
has christine said anything about that? [/*]

I found several news articles reporting the sightings, but could not find any articles reporting they were confirmed sightings.

This article: http://www.komotv.com/news/15682797.html reports a witness saw his car at the public storage.

Deputies also are checking out a tip from a witness who says they saw Nicholas Francisco's car at a Burien public storage on Thursday, Brown said

This article: http://www.kirotv.com/news/15331528/detail.html reports it was a sighting.

Sightings of the 28-year-old have been reported at a gas station on Elliot Avenue in Seattle and also in Burien.

On The Big Story w/ Gibson and Nauert on FoxNews Jon Leiberman, AMW, said:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331893,00.html

They do believe there were two positive sightings of Nicholas on that Wednesday night. One was at a gas station, another at a convenience store.

[Sunday Moon]

Hi guys. Just getting settled after a long day!!

I can't get my mind off that other missing man. I don't know why but I have a VERY strong feeling these two cases are related. I can't explain why I feel this way. Maybe because two missing men in the same area with the missing man's wife working at the same store that the other missing man was supposed to go to is just wayyyyy too coincidental. I never heard anything like this!

I also stand by my thought that Christine thinks he left on his own. The coward comment, the statement about the kids not having a daddy, the woe is me attitude about money.....these all seem like pointed statements made for Nicholas to hear. I just wish we had more info because there is NOTHING to go on except speculation.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


Here is the original post.


quote:
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Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I think all that was said was the the Costco was off the freeway to the west.. his home was to the east. The South Center area is RIGHT OFF THE freeway tho.. he wouldn't have gone west except to go to the Costco.

Here is map of where he was and where he was suppose to be.. etc.

http://i25.tinypic.com/205y2y8.jpg

A is his work in Seattle.
* is the South Center area where he was stopping at Costco
C is SeaTac where he lived
D is Federal Way where his car was found.

These are not the exact addresses (except A) but gives you the general idea.

Also.. people have said that the sighting of him in Burien is close to where his car was found.. which places him in the area. You can see Burien on the map.. it pretty much connects to SeaTac to the north.. so, that report wasn't right.

You can also see on the map where South Center is.. it is basically right where * is on the map.. right in the corner where I 405 and I 5 come together right there is the mall area. It is many many city blocks right there of businesses and the main mall. So.. you can see if he was travelling south from Seattle to go home.. why he would have to go the west (of I 5 and his home) to go to the South Center Costco. He didn't necessarily head west.. just enough to get over to that side of the freeway. [/*]
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http://i25.tinypic.com/2hporup.jpg

on the map you can tell that while there are probably several way that he could get home from his work... Seattle is surrounded by water to the east and west. Unless you are taking lots of back roads and have A LOT of extra time.. you would get on I 5 to get home. [/*]

Thanks Mystry - sometimes I miss some of these posts -

[Curiouser]

quote:
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Deputies also are checking out a tip from a witness who says they saw Nicholas Francisco's car at a Burien public storage on Thursday, Brown said.


The other quote says they saw it on Wednesday night, the night he didn't come home. Well, which is it then, Wednesday or Thursday???

[Curiouser]

I'm sort of wondering about their Valentine's Day. Did they usually buy gifts for each other, for the kids? Did he only buy for she or did she only buy for he?? Were flowers or anything delivered from him to her on Thursday after he was missing? Did she find a gift from him to her in the house after he went missing? Maybe they had decided they were already too broke to celebrate this year so weren't buying anyone anything. Any thoughts???

[carterkatt]

It's been tossed around here a bit that if he left, with laptop, could even be reading. What if he POSTED? I assume he'd be a newbie, pretending to be someone else... but?

I think I need to go to bed... that's wayyy too bizarre...!

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by carterkatt
It's been tossed around here a bit that if he left, with laptop, could even be reading. What if he POSTED? I assume he'd be a newbie, pretending to be someone else... but?

I think I need to go to bed... that's wayyy too bizarre...! [/*]

Carterkatt LOLOL - I wondered that also

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by carterkatt
It's been tossed around here a bit that if he left, with laptop, could even be reading. What if he POSTED? I assume he'd be a newbie, pretending to be someone else... but?

I think I need to go to bed... that's wayyy too bizarre...! [/*]

But wouldn't that be too cool!! We could get the scoop before anyone else maybe. Nicholas, if you're lurking out there, give us a sign.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by wondering?
And the following about "nobody would hate him"

NAUERT: Christine, what about that? Is there anything suspicious or anything that's come to your mind that would give police a clue where to look, who to talk to, anything?

C. FRANCISCO: No. Nobody would hate him. If you met him, you'd loved him. And that's just how it's always been. That's why there are so many people looking for him. That's why we're all so concerned, because he's not a coward. He would not run out on us. He loved us — loves us, and he's very excited about this baby and he would have no reason to leave. So... [/*]

Ok, Diane, I agree with you after reading the order things were said in. Although I would have probably said "nobody hates him" in reference to saying he had no enemies....she just worded it differently than I would have. So, I'm comfortable with that comment now that I see the context of it.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by dianaelaine
Hi there!

This is Diana, the woman who started the thread over at Etsy.

I shall NOT say how upset I am ... because I'm afraid of what I might say. I'm also very hurt ... I was sincerely trying to help.

I just don't see what it would have hurt, to discuss this and see what could have come up.

If it were my husband, I would have wanted everything possible done, and that means anything I could try and think about ... the negative included.

Not once, did Christine herself come in and ask that the thread be stopped. If she had, I would have respected her and done so.

Glad to be here, hopefully I can discuss the case here, without retaliation.

Diana [/*]

Welcome Diana :seeya:

We were rooting for you over here and I for one was upset when they closed you down. Anyone could see that you were just trying to gather facts to help figure out what happened to Nicholas.

Please join in and share your thoughts.

[soldiermom]

I don't know. This is all so very strange to me. He's here he's there, his car that way. No activity on credit or debit cards, atm cards, cell phone. and now she backs away from the media. gracious if it were me I would be bugging the snot out of t.v. and every newspaper radio stations whatever I could do to be heard and put his name and picture out there every single chance I could. I would scream it from the mountian top if I had to to be heard. But then that's just me I guess.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by huskiki


Welcome Diana :seeya:

We were rooting for you over here and I for one was upset when they closed you down. Anyone could see that you were just trying to gather facts to help figure out what happened to Nicholas.

Please join in and share your thoughts. [/*]

Huski - just tried to PM you - your box is full.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by soyesterday
ok are you all watching american idol???
i know you all are
i am too of course :)
but i have my laptop here w/ me refreshing every couple minutes so come and talk to me! :)

it's kinda eeary (sp?) around here cuz it's soooo quiet tonight..... [/*]

OK, soyesterday, saw you registered in February, 2008, you have a laptop, its kinda "eeary around here" wherever "here" is...are you Nicholas??? You seem to be really interested in the storage unit too!!! MOO of course.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Hi guys. Just getting settled after a long day!!

I can't get my mind off that other missing man. I don't know why but I have a VERY strong feeling these two cases are related. I can't explain why I feel this way. Maybe because two missing men in the same area with the missing man's wife working at the same store that the other missing man was supposed to go to is just wayyyyy too coincidental. I never heard anything like this!

I also stand by my thought that Christine thinks he left on his own. The coward comment, the statement about the kids not having a daddy, the woe is me attitude about money.....these all seem like pointed statements made for Nicholas to hear. I just wish we had more info because there is NOTHING to go on except speculation. [/*]

My same thoughts. She protests too much about him running off, imo, plus panics about the finances way too quickly for someone who may be worried that their husband met with foul play. If you think your husband is out there someone being held against his will I would think you would be too distraught to think about the bills that quickly. But, IF you suspected or knew he ran out on you....then your attention would turn to yourself and your kids and the "what will we do.....I can't support us". Her reactions make me believe she thinks or knows he took off. And she just comes across very angry....

[carterkatt]

Originally posted by Curiouser


OK, soyesterday, saw you registered in February, 2008, you have a laptop, its kinda "eeary around here" wherever "here" is...are you Nicholas??? You seem to be really interested in the storage unit too!!! MOO of course. [/*]

Ok....tag, you're it, Curiouser LOL!... You're a Feb 08 newbie too! Are YOU Nicholas??? do tell!

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by carterkatt


Ok....tag, you're it, Curiouser LOL!... You're a Feb 08 newbie too! Are YOU Nicholas??? do tell! [/*]

I asked you first!!!

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


She posted she felt the baby move - [/*]

I'm still catching up but ...OMG! Now I've heard it all. She's all of 6-8 weeks pregnant and the fetus is the size of a pea. Give me a break!

[desmom]

Originally posted by Nellie


Ok, Diane, I agree with you after reading the order things were said in. Although I would have probably said "nobody hates him" in reference to saying he had no enemies....she just worded it differently than I would have. So, I'm comfortable with that comment now that I see the context of it. [/*]

I would probably word it different also....

"Everyone likes my husband....." and I know I would never use the word coward and my husband's name in the same conversation.

Something just bothers the heck out of me when I read "because he's not a coward". Coward? :confused:

jmo

[huskiki]

Originally posted by sherryhefner



Yep, Christine is either a liar or has experienced a miraculous moment from the divine....:D [/*]

:lol:

[carterkatt]

Originally posted by Curiouser


I asked you first!!! [/*]

It's between you (Curiouser) and soyesterday.... fess up!

I'm "old" - almost 2 yrs on here... just don't post a lot.

;)

[huskiki]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Huski - just tried to PM you - your box is full. [/*]


What? Full you say? I thought I emptied it earlier. I'll go do that now. Thank You!

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by huskiki


I'm still catching up but ...OMG! Now I've heard it all. She's all of 6-8 weeks pregnant and the fetus is the size of a pea. Give me a break! [/*]

You know, we only have Christine's word for SOOO much of this, the sugar, the cookies, signing off, the money crisis, even Nicholas being missing. Maybe he isn't even missing! Maybe she has him tied up in the basement or something and took the car to Federal Way herself and then got back in a cab or on the bus or something.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by huskiki


I'm still catching up but ...OMG! Now I've heard it all. She's all of 6-8 weeks pregnant and the fetus is the size of a pea. Give me a break! [/*]

imo, sympathy drama....

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by carterkatt


It's between you (Curiouser) and soyesterday.... fess up!

I'm "old" - almost 2 yrs on here... just don't post a lot.

;) [/*]

I didn't realize the post was from you and not soyesterday when I said "I asked you first." Sorry about that. Anyway, its not me!!! But even the name So yesterday. Sounds like a Nick reference to me. MOOOOOO!!!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by desmom


I would probably word it different also....

"Everyone likes my husband....." and I know I would never use the word coward and my husband's name in the same conversation.

Something just bothers the heck out of me when I read "because he's not a coward". Coward? :confused:

jmo [/*]

I do see what you mean. I thought the coward comment was weird myself when your husband just went missing.

Now that you mention it...yeah.....saying, "Everyone loves him" would have been a more positive way of putting it She seems to always be putting it on the negative spin.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Curiouser


You know, we only have Christine's word for SOOO much of this, the sugar, the cookies, signing off, the money crisis, even Nicholas being missing. Maybe he isn't even missing! Maybe she has him tied up in the basement or something and took the car to Federal Way herself and then got back in a cab or on the bus or something. [/*]

Exactly...only her word on everything.
Did he say anything to his co-workers when he left work?
Bye! Gotta go home and bake cookies with my little girl? Gotta stop off and get some sugar. I guess not.

Like others, I find it odd that the day he goes missing is also the day his cell phone went dead. I would like to know if it typically goes dead and if he had a car charger.

So many unanswered questions...that should be easily answered.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Nellie


I do see what you mean. I thought the coward comment was werid myself when your husband just went missing.

Now that you mention it...yeah.....saying, "Everyone loves him" would have been a more positive way of putting it She seems to always be putting it on the negative spin. [/*]


The way she says he's not a coward sounds like someone said he was and she was contradicting it. Maybe that was part of their fight if there was one. MOO

[desmom]

Originally posted by Curiouser


You know, we only have Christine's word for SOOO much of this, the sugar, the cookies, signing off, the money crisis, even Nicholas being missing. Maybe he isn't even missing! Maybe she has him tied up in the basement or something and took the car to Federal Way herself and then got back in a cab or on the bus or something. [/*]

Nah, I don't think the 4 year old would be able to keep quiet about Daddy being tied up in the basement.

I do think you are correct about everything being Christine's word. LE would be able to confirm the phone call at 6:00 p.m., but how would LE confirm they talked about NF picking up sugar from Costco and cookie baking?

jmo

[Danette44]

How many people that are missing that family and friends do not attend their Vigil's? Even Scott Peterson attended Laci's.....ugh! This is really making people angry that the police haven't even searched her home or took computers from home or polygraph her, that is the first thing that happens to a man in this situation! I have seen some men talking on the ABC blogs that were irate over that - and you can't blame them. The Seattle Police need to take notes from other states with this type of situation ..........listen to me, Miss Know It All.....lol JMOO

Ohhh does anyone have an email for the Seattle Police Department I will write them and ask, heck the Cheif of Police in BollingBrook Ill answer all his email......nice man. Thank you in advance.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by desmom


Nah, I don't think the 4 year old would be able to keep quiet about Daddy being tied up in the basement.

I do think you are correct about everything being Christine's word. LE would be able to confirm the phone call at 6:00 p.m., but how would LE confirm they talked about NF picking up sugar from Costco and cookie baking?

jmo [/*]

Yeah, you're right about the 4-year-old keeping quiet. I hadn't thought of that.

What about this though? Why would you be baking cookies at 7 o'clock at night, after a long day of work, more work the next day. Dad would be hungry and ready for his supper. She said bedtime (I suppose at least for the kids) was 8 o'clock so if they make cookies, by the time they're done, it'll be bedtime. The kids must have already eaten and Nicholas (& maybe CF) would wait till the kids were in bed to eat. Besides all that, Mom's been home with the kids all day, why didn't they just bake the cookies?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by sherryhefner


Nellie, a belated congratulations as a Senior Member!
:beer:

So am I to understand that Christine's Etsy board has been shut down now? Too bad. With her communicating something, I think we had a better shot at figuring things out. [/*]

The good xoxo board was shut down, along with the sleuth board they tried to start - then I read on the West Seattle blog that there was another xoxo thread they tried to start back up, but Admin closed it down "rather quickly". Hmmmmmm

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by sherryhefner
OK, Dad doesn't leave work until after 6pm...has to drive home AND stop for sugar on the way. Then bake cookies with a four-year-old and get done by 8pm? Nope...can't buy it. [/*]

Thank you - I tried to say that early on but others said their children go to bed late, etc. so I dropped it. My point was this - she is home all day with a car. Why didn't she go get the sugar since he had got up with the kids, fixed them breakfast, worked all day, then was asked to stop at the store, then to bake cookies - when was he going to eat and relax?

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


The good xoxo board was shut down, along with the sleuth board they tried to start - then I read on the West Seattle blog that there was another xoxo thread they tried to start back up, but Admin closed it down "rather quickly". Hmmmmmm [/*]

Just found this post from Etsy Admin on the latest xoxo board they had started:

"Hey there! We decided to close down the other threads for a reason, so please refrain from posting on this subject in the Etsy forums. I understand your intentions are nothing but good and appreciate your support for the situation at hand, but it is causing too much controversy among Etsy users to remain in the forums."

[Nellie]

Originally posted by sherryhefner


Nellie, a belated congratulations as a Senior Member!
:beer:

So am I to understand that Christine's Etsy board has been shut down now? Too bad. With her communicating something, I think we had a better shot at figuring things out. [/*]

I am! Oh my, I didn't even notice! Does that mean I'm old? LOL!

Yep, I guess the Etsy discussion is shut down.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


Thank you - I tried to say that early on but others said their children go to bed late, etc. so I dropped it. My point was this - she is home all day with a car. Why didn't she go get the sugar since he had got up with the kids, fixed them breakfast, worked all day, then was asked to stop at the store, then to bake cookies - when was he going to eat and relax? [/*]

Actually, Christine herself said that their bedtime was 8 o'clock. That was when she got really worried because he wasn't there by bedtime and she was asked, when was that, and replied 8 o'clock.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Curiouser


Just found this post from Etsy Admin on the latest xoxo board they had started:

"Hey there! We decided to close down the other threads for a reason, so please refrain from posting on this subject in the Etsy forums. I understand your intentions are nothing but good and appreciate your support for the situation at hand, but it is causing too much controversy among Etsy users to remain in the forums." [/*]

It's really sad that there is so much controversy over his dissappearance. I believe much of it was actually brought on by Christine herself by her sharing how desperate money was needed. It would have been different if it was "desperately needed to facilitate a command post for Nicholas" or in some way to help him. I honestly think the fund raising is what turned this all into a controversy and threw suspicions on Christine.

[desmom]

Originally posted by Curiouser


Yeah, you're right about the 4-year-old keeping quiet. I hadn't thought of that.

What about this though? Why would you be baking cookies at 7 o'clock at night, after a long day of work, more work the next day. Dad would be hungry and ready for his supper. She said bedtime (I suppose at least for the kids) was 8 o'clock so if they make cookies, by the time they're done, it'll be bedtime. The kids must have already eaten and Nicholas (& maybe CF) would wait till the kids were in bed to eat. Besides all that, Mom's been home with the kids all day, why didn't they just bake the cookies? [/*]

I think she could have baked cookies with the children during the day, since she state her husband had gotten the kids up, helped them get dressed, fed them breakfast and brought her coffee before he went to work.


jmo

ETA ~ Ooops, I see I echoed RainyNiteNTx's post. :o

[Danette44]

I can't get over the fact that the car was wiped down so clean that not even his scent is in it! Usually if you kidnap some you don't go thru all that trouble wiping and moving a car around, you try to find a hiding place to dispose of him and then dump the car.......I wonder how many storage units were at the ones he was seen at? So the gas station siting which I gather didn't have a camera also - a storge unit that appearntly didn't have a camera either - and I guess the building he works in don't have them outside. Am I Over The Top yet??? I work with like 3 thousand men daily and I boss some around, but I tell them.......I know you, you, and you, so don't mess with me lol Whewwww some have listen to me............for now....lol I'm being silly - I'm tired I should be getting ready for bed 5 am comes early!:D

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Curiouser


Actually, Christine herself said that their bedtime was 8 o'clock. That was when she got really worried because he wasn't there by bedtime and she was asked, when was that, and replied 8 o'clock. [/*]

Now this has me thinking, again. If he's leaving work after 6, has a 20 minute commute and has to stop to pick up sugar, how did they plan on baking cookies before bedtime? Was Christine just referring to bedtime as a timeframe? Again I'll ask, who bakes cookies that late at night with small children? It's a process and it takes time.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Danette44
I can't get over the fact that the car was wiped down so clean that not even his scent is in it! Usually if you kidnap some you don't go thru all that trouble wiping and moving a car around, you try to find a hiding place to dispose of him and then dump the car.......I wonder how many storage units were at the ones he was seen at? So the gas station siting which I gather didn't have a camera also - a storge unit that appearntly didn't have a camera either - and I guess the building he works in don't have them outside. Am I Over The Top yet??? I work with like 3 thousand men daily and I boss some around, but I tell them.......I know you, you, and you, so don't mess with me lol Whewwww some have listen to me............for now....lol I'm being silly - I'm tired I should be getting ready for bed 5 am comes early!:D [/*]

His office was also scent free. How does that happen? Could he just be a scent free kind of guy? Is it possible for a person not to leave a scent behind?

[Danette44]

Originally posted by Nellie


It's really sad that there is so much controversy over his dissappearance. I believe much of it was actually brought on by Christine herself by her sharing how desperate money was needed. It would have been different if it was "desperately needed to facilitate a command post for Nicholas" or in some way to help him. I honestly think the fund raising is what turned this all into a controversy and threw suspicions on Christine. [/*]

You are correct Nellie - 1) where is a command center set up - none!
Searching her home for just any little detail that may mean something big!
Upping the Reward Money - isn;t going to happen, she is selfisf (MOO).
I think the news media doesn't want to get to involved ever since wht happen to Melinda Duckett! Now that one sure led a dowble life! jmoo

[homecrafter]

I'm a day behind on the Etsy threads, but admin doesn't always shut down a thread on their own. Sometimes folks write Admin and request it to be shut down because they disagree with what going on. I believe admin has received a lot of complaints about all the threads related to Christine. just speculation.....

[Heidi J.]

Originally posted by Sunday Moon
Hi guys. Just getting settled after a long day!!

I can't get my mind off that other missing man. I don't know why but I have a VERY strong feeling these two cases are related. I can't explain why I feel this way. Maybe because two missing men in the same area with the missing man's wife working at the same store that the other missing man was supposed to go to is just wayyyyy too coincidental. I never heard anything like this!

I also stand by my thought that Christine thinks he left on his own. The coward comment, the statement about the kids not having a daddy, the woe is me attitude about money.....these all seem like pointed statements made for Nicholas to hear. I just wish we had more info because there is NOTHING to go on except speculation. [/*]

Sorry, I have been away for a few days.. What other missing man are you speaking of? And if that is true (not doughting you, i just want to see info), that is an even crazier twist, because in an earlier article, Christine wrote how people mistaked him for gay, and he did not run away with a guy..??

[Danette44]

Originally posted by huskiki


His office was also scent free. How does that happen? Could he just be a scent free kind of guy? Is it possible for a person not to leave a scent behind? [/*]

Actually huskiki - I didn'[t think you could wipe it so clean that no one shows up, that is very rare these days. Maybe them dogs had a cold and couldnt smell.....didn't hurt to ask that question. So I guess no one knows the police deparments email address?

[desmom]

I do not think the car was scent free. IMO, the dogs could not track NF from his car to any place in the area i.e. one of the condo units.

This could have been because of weather conditions, NF got out of his car into another vehicle and drove off or NF never drove the car to the condo complex parking lot.

jmo

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by sherryhefner


I had read on another case that sometimes dogs do not get scents on certain people. For some reason, maybe it is difficult for them to pick up on the scent.
I'm not an expert on this by any means so I don't know more. [/*]

I also read somewhere that sometimes the weather or the wind can have something to do with whether the dogs can pick up a scent. Still you wouldn't think the inside of a car would be very affected by wind! MOO

[MystryPhobia]

Originally posted by huskiki


Now this has me thinking, again. If he's leaving work after 6, has a 20 minute commute and has to stop to pick up sugar, how did they plan on baking cookies before bedtime? Was Christine just referring to bedtime as a timeframe? Again I'll ask, who bakes cookies that late at night with small children? It's a process and it takes time. [/*]

I bake cookies that time of night regularly.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by Curiouser


I also read somewhere that sometimes the weather or the wind can have something to do with whether the dogs can pick up a scent. Still you wouldn't think the inside of a car would be very affected by wind! MOO [/*]

Unless they're trying to find a path from the car to somewhere else which would be outside and more affected by weather and wind perhaps.

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I bake cookies that time of night regularly. [/*]

But with a 4-year-old who's supposed to be in bed in a short time? What about her bedtime bath and getting the jammies on and brushing the teeth. All this takes time too.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I bake cookies that time of night regularly. [/*]

With a 4 year old? My son, (who will be 5 tomorrow woo hoo) is ready for bed at 7:30. There's no way we're getting involved with baking cookies anytime after 6:00pm. Of course I work out of the home so we have to get up early. Maybe Christine doesn't always enforce the 8:00 bedtime because they can sleep in.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Heidi J.


Sorry, I have been away for a few days.. What other missing man are you speaking of? And if that is true (not doughting you, i just want to see info), that is an even crazier twist, because in an earlier article, Christine wrote how people mistaked him for gay, and he did not run away with a guy..?? [/*]

His name is Viliamu Fale. Here's the only link I can find on him being missing: http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php?wac=08M0003445

There is very little information on this guy and no picture. Nicholas is also on the same site as missing and doesn't have a picture either.

[soyesterday]

ok i'm back....
i gotta catch up on what i missed....
starting back at page 26? i think....lol....
here i go........
and MOO.......

[Curiouser]

Originally posted by huskiki


With a 4 year old? My son, (who will be 5 tomorrow woo hoo) is ready for bed at 7:30. There's no way we're getting involved with baking cookies anytime after 6:00pm. Of course I work out of the home so we have to get up early. Maybe Christine doesn't always inforce the 8:00 bedtime because they can sleep in. [/*]

Ah, but they can't sleep in because they get up with daddy and have breakfast before he goes to work. If he gets off work at 6 he must start at 9 maybe. That would give him 8 hours of work with an hour for lunch. So he'd probably have to leave the house for work by 8 am. Was it an hour to get there or just a half hour, I forget. Anyway, they'd be up by 7 or so......

[Sunday Moon]

Originally posted by MystryPhobia


I bake cookies that time of night regularly. [/*]

But would you do it with a four year old? I guess I could see if it were being done at 4:00 but it seems late for a four year old who goes to bed at 8. I would think that baking cookies would be very stimulating for the child, not to mention that the child would want to taste a cookie after they have baked and cooled. That takes time as well. I regularly bake from scratch and not only do you have to gather the ingredients but they need to be measured. It takes time. I think if I were to bake with a small child I would do the slice and bake cookies. They have those tubes with the cookies decorated for the holidays. I know they have a Valentine version. That would make more sense than to bake cookies from scratch that late in the evening. I don't know. Everything is just sounding suspect to me at this point. It's easy to question even the most benign situations here since everything is so odd.

[desmom]

http://www.lostapet.org/petdetective-scent.php talks about tracking/trailing dogs.