Nicholas Francisco 28, Seattle, 2-13-08 (car found) [Archive] - Page 3

KindraLore

02-25-2008, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
People can and do make it without money

There was a case in San Antonio where a young mother staged her disappearance, bought a bus ticket to New York. She stayed at a women's shelter. got a job and was living very happily there. But eventually she was found and was returned home. It can happen ! BTW her family said that she would never ever leave her children and walk away....but she did. [/*]

Well I personally hope you are right. However, with media attention and such, it would be hard and most shelters are kept abreast of missing people and look for them. Why would you go to a homeless shelter when you had a nice cosey home and family though? You would have to be in dire straights I would think and there would be some change in personality before.

Again, I do hope you are right.

RainyNiteNTx

02-25-2008, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Well I personally hope you are right. However, with media attention and such, it would be hard and most shelters are kept abreast of missing people and look for them. Why would you go to a homeless shelter when you had a nice cosey home and family though? You would have to be in dire straights I would think and there would be some change in personality before.

Again, I do hope you are right. [/*]

I'm holding out hope he just got weary and needed some time.

KindraLore

02-25-2008, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I'm holding out hope he just got weary and needed some time. [/*]

I am sure his family is too. Best case scenario for sure. I'm sure that not knowing is the hardest.

Nellie

02-25-2008, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
People can and do make it without money

There was a case in San Antonio where a young mother staged her disappearance, bought a bus ticket to New York. She stayed at a women's shelter. got a job and was living very happily there. But eventually she was found and was returned home. It can happen ! BTW her family said that she would never ever leave her children and walk away....but she did. [/*]

That sounds like Beth Smith! She went missing from a conference in Broussier City,LA and they ended up finding her working in NYC and living in a shelter.

As an adult the police would not release to the family where she was.....just that she was safe. They could not force her to go back, but she eventually did.

Even if they did find Nicholas someplace and he had left of his own choosing....as an adult, he can do that. They would not reveal to his family where he was if he requested that he didn't want them to know.

jtazzy

02-25-2008, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

That sounds like Beth Smith! She went missing from a conference in Broussier City,LA and they ended up finding her working in NYC and living in a shelter.

As an adult the police would not release to the family where she was.....just that she was safe. They could not force her to go back, but she eventually did.

Even if they did find Nicholas someplace and he had left of his own choosing....as an adult, he can do that. They would not reveal to his family where he was if he requested that he didn't want them to know. [/*]

Exactly and we discussed her for months to find out she just up and left. You know I came on here tonight hoping he had been found.

You know the more I read of Nicholas, he is a family man and loves his wife very much. I hate to say this...but I'm really hoping he just up and left, but I'm starting to think foul play. NO LINKS this is just mop

Curiouser

02-25-2008, 11:44 PM

I'm new on here. Have been lurking for a couple of days and can't keep quiet!!

First of all, wouldn't you think that if Nick had been attacked by a carjacker or other thug that there would be some evidence of it. I would assume that someone doing that kind of thing wouldn't really have a plan on what to do with a body other than toss it somewhere and if that had happened you would think it would've been found by now. Also why wouldn't there be blood or something in or around the car?

As far as Christine goes, I can't really think she would have done him in herself. Also I revisited the Nancy Grace interview and she didn't actually say he brought coffee to her in bed, she said, "he came in, he brings me coffee every morning, he's so sweet." Maybe she's surfing the net or sewing on her Bella stuff or something at that time of day while he has his time with the kids.

Anyway, as they (cows and other posters) say, "moo"!!

KindraLore

02-25-2008, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by Curiouser
I'm new on here. Have been lurking for a couple of days and can't keep quiet!!

First of all, wouldn't you think that if Nick had been attacked by a carjacker or other thug that there would be some evidence of it. I would assume that someone doing that kind of thing wouldn't really have a plan on what to do with a body other than toss it somewhere and if that had happened you would think it would've been found by now. Also why wouldn't there be blood or something in or around the car?

As far as Christine goes, I can't really think she would have done him in herself. Also I revisited the Nancy Grace interview and she didn't actually say he brought coffee to her in bed, she said, "he came in, he brings me coffee every morning, he's so sweet." Maybe she's surfing the net or sewing on her Bella stuff or something at that time of day while he has his time with the kids.

Anyway, as they (cows and other posters) say, "moo"!! [/*]

Hi Curiouser and welcome to the boards! Please, speak up and don't lurk. I think its great to have all different perspectives! Believe me, I'm not saying mine is the only one. I am voicing my own opinion which may or may not be right, as is everyone here.

As far as carjacking or a thug, well all the other missing cases I quoted, some of them had cars too and no evidence was found in those cars as well, so obviously the crime did not happen in the vehicle. I don't believe I have read specifically what the cops have said about Nick's car, other than it was unlocked, possibly moved, with no leading evidence. They have not said it was wiped clean of finger prints, but I would be curious to know if it was.

I agree about Christine and the coffee. Sometimes people in cases like these look at everything through a magnifying glass and make a much to do about nothing. Sounds like he was being a great, attentive hubby to me. MOO for me too. lol

Saltygal

02-25-2008, 11:57 PM

This was just posted on Etsy. He is featured on the America's Most Wanted website
amw (http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=53372)

Curiouser

02-26-2008, 12:07 AM

I read the article on AMW and the police say, "Sgt. Urquhart said, "There is no next step other than to investigate sightings and to look into his background. At this point, we're relying heavily on the public's help."

Does that mean they've done all the stuff that's been suggested here or that they've just done what's been mentioned in the news so far and that's all they're going to do till someone tells them something else to look at. That doesn't sound very promising to me!!

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by Amaryllis

LOL Yep my opinion only....MOO!:seeya: [/*]

Lol.... :seeya: to you too! :)
That really did make me laugh at myself lol.....

Kamiron

02-26-2008, 12:54 AM

Two years ago last week, my 34 year old brother was taken from a car wash and was held for two weeks before he was killed and his body dumped. We buried him and you could still see the marks on his wrist from how he was bounds. It is suspected that the killers were holding him to try to get him to go get money from his bank account but maybe he would not comply. The killers never contacted our family for any money or anything.

When we reported my brother missing, the cops did the basic stuff but their point was that an adult can leave if they so desire. We knew that this was not like my brother but what else could we do.

A guy was found in my brothers car and he said that he bought the car from some other guys. The police tracked down the "other guys" and they said that they found the car (unlocked) at the car wash with a cell phone in it. Incidentally, these guys sold the cell phone to a different person. They just saw an opportunity and took advantage of it. We thought that it was strange that someone would buy a car from someone and not get the title but that was this guys story.

No money was ever withdrawn from the bank accounts and the killlers have never been found. Needless to say, criminals do stupid things. So, yes, I can believe that maybe something has happened to Nicholas. Maybe -- maybe not.

It is also possible that Christine was so dependent that once Nicholas did not come home, she started thinking "who will take care of me now." "I don't have anyone to bring me my coffee or pay the bills. I must call in my family and friends to come take care of the kids and solicit money from my online friends because I am not used to taking care of anything myself." It's also possible that she is an opportunist. There are some people in life who are always looking to see how they can profit in any situation.

I truly hope that Nicholas is okay but I also hoped that my brother was okay.

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 12:57 AM

Nellie

02-26-2008, 12:59 AM

Kamiron, my deepest sympathies for your loss. That is just heartbreaking and I don't know how one deals with these kinds of senseless tragedies.

Yes, I also believe foul play comes to men. And I think foul play could have come to Nicholas. I think it could go either way and the sad part , like you said, is that I don't think the police are looking real hard for him.

And yes, Christina may just be in a panic because she's so dependent.....or she could be an opportunist. We just don't know yet.

It's hard to figure it all out, isn't it?

Again I hated hearing what happened to your brother and give you my condolences.

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 12:59 AM

Curiouser

02-26-2008, 01:02 AM

Kamiron, this is terrible about your brother. I didn't realize how many people go missing all the time until I started reading these threads about NC and saw all these other threads. I cannot imagine how helpless you must feel. So sorry.

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by Kamiron
Two years ago last week, my 34 year old brother was taken from a car wash and was held for two weeks before he was killed and his body dumped. We buried him and you could still see the marks on his wrist from how he was bounds. It is suspected that the killers were holding him to try to get him to go get money from his bank account but maybe he would not comply. The killers never contacted our family for any money or anything.

When we reported my brother missing, the cops did the basic stuff but their point was that an adult can leave if they so desire. We knew that this was not like my brother but what else could we do.

A guy was found in my brothers car and he said that he bought the car from some other guys. The police tracked down the "other guys" and they said that they found the car (unlocked) at the car wash with a cell phone in it. Incidentally, these guys sold the cell phone to a different person. They just saw an opportunity and took advantage of it. We thought that it was strange that someone would buy a car from someone and not get the title but that was this guys story.

No money was ever withdrawn from the bank accounts and the killlers have never been found. Needless to say, criminals do stupid things. So, yes, I can believe that maybe something has happened to Nicholas. Maybe -- maybe not.

It is also possible that Christine was so dependent that once Nicholas did not come home, she started thinking "who will take care of me now." "I don't have anyone to bring me my coffee or pay the bills. I must call in my family and friends to come take care of the kids and solicit money from my online friends because I am not used to taking care of anything myself." It's also possible that she is an opportunist. There are some people in life who are always looking to see how they can profit in any situation.

I truly hope that Nicholas is okay but I also hoped that my brother was okay. [/*]

I'm so sorry for your loss. That is horrible. And to make it worse, the person or persons who did it are still free.
Man i'm so sorry....

Unfortunately, i am very dependent on my husband too. He knows everything and he takes care of everything and i know that i would have a very hard time if i had to do it all by myself. I'm sure i would panic too. :(
I do feel her pain......and i try not to read too much into the little things that she is doing or saying or not doing or saying, cuz really....everyone deals w/ stuff differently....and i'm sure she is distraught.
I can't imagine....and those poor little kids must miss they daddy so much.
I cried so hard and got so into Denise Amber Lee's case. I've even wrote to her family and friends on their myspace pages. I can't imagine the pain they are going through.

Nellie

02-26-2008, 01:34 AM

In doing some research I have discovered that two pastors were fired in Nov. at the Mars Hill Church and many members protested it. Seems there's a lot of unrest going on there. Since I have been through this type of thing myself, I know it can take a toll on you and if you are so emotionally involved in your church, it can even depress you and leave you confused.

On November 4 ,2007, Mark Driscoll delivered a sermon loaded with classic examples of authoritarian abuse. The topic was “Humility” : it was preached about 5 weeks after Paul Petry and Bent Meyer were fired, shortly after the Starchamber/Kangaroo Court that tried Paul Petry, and 2 days after the 145 page Elders Response Document was published. A number of Mars Hill Members had recently been suspended for questioning the firings and trial procedures. Many of those who remained remember walking out of this one mid-sermon, or not participating in communion because this sermon was so out of line that their attitudes were out of joint.

http://www.zimbio.com/Christianity/articles/268/Mark+Driscoll+Mars+Hill+Church+Member+Abuse

A couple of other links concerning it.
http://www.zimbio.com/Christianity/articles/267/Mark+Driscoll+Lie+Mars+Hill+Members

http://www.zimbio.com/Missional+/articles/51/Mark+Driscoll+Mars+Hill+Church+Member+Abuse

Kamiron

02-26-2008, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by Nellie
Kamiron, my deepest sympathies for your loss. That is just heartbreaking and I don't know how one deals with these kinds of senseless tragedies.

Yes, I also believe foul play comes to men. And I think foul play could have come to Nicholas. I think it could go either way and the sad part , like you said, is that I don't think the police are looking real hard for him.

And yes, Christina may just be in a panic because she's so dependent.....or she could be an opportunist. We just don't know yet.

It's hard to figure it all out, isn't it?

Again I hated hearing what happened to your brother and give you my condolences. [/*]

Thanks. I just want everyone to be careful out there because it seems like everyone is vunerable now.

kaylynn

02-26-2008, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Nellie
In doing some research I have discovered that two pastors were fired in Nov. at the Mars Hill Church and many members protested it. Seems there's a lot of unrest going on there. Since I have been through this type of thing myself, I know it can take a toll on you and if you are so emotionally involved in your church, it can even depress you and leave you confused.

http://www.zimbio.com/Christianity/articles/268/Mark+Driscoll+Mars+Hill+Church+Member+Abuse

A couple of other links concerning it.
http://www.zimbio.com/Christianity/articles/267/Mark+Driscoll+Lie+Mars+Hill+Members

http://www.zimbio.com/Missional+/articles/51/Mark+Driscoll+Mars+Hill+Church+Member+Abuse [/*]

Last year, the church my husband & I belong to went through something similar with 2 of the pastors, and it was emotionally hard on everyone in the church, no matter how involved you were. It sort of creates a divide in the church, and it can create a lot of conflict between members, as well as between the pastor and members. I wonder if people from the church have been talked to.

Kamiron

02-26-2008, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by Curiouser
Kamiron, this is terrible about your brother. I didn't realize how many people go missing all the time until I started reading these threads about NC and saw all these other threads. I cannot imagine how helpless you must feel. So sorry. [/*]

We certainly felt really helpless when it was all happening. I can imagine that the family of Nicholas feels the same. I really do hope that he simply decided to take a break.

Kamiron

02-26-2008, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by soyesterday

I'm so sorry for your loss. That is horrible. And to make it worse, the person or persons who did it are still free.
Man i'm so sorry....

Unfortunately, i am very dependent on my husband too. He knows everything and he takes care of everything and i know that i would have a very hard time if i had to do it all by myself. I'm sure i would panic too. :(
I do feel her pain......and i try not to read too much into the little things that she is doing or saying or not doing or saying, cuz really....everyone deals w/ stuff differently....and i'm sure she is distraught.
I can't imagine....and those poor little kids must miss they daddy so much.
I cried so hard and got so into Denise Amber Lee's case. I've even wrote to her family and friends on their myspace pages. I can't imagine the pain they are going through. [/*]

Every since the incident I can't help but look at crimes that go unsolved. It bothers me a lot that there are a lot of criminals that are not being caught. Next thing you know, there is another missing person.

Nicholas and his family are in my thoughts.

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by soyesterday

I agree. It doesn't seem to fit. Could he be having an affair or something? Maybe...but again....would all this be worth it? It's all over the news. His family and friends are devestated. I don't think he walked away. That's just my opinion.
It is baffeling to think what could have happened though.
So he tells his wife he loves her and that he is stopping by the store on the way home.
He is seen by someone he works with leaving the parking lot that night.
He doesn't make it to Cotsco????
Was there someone in the car waiting for him? And forced him to drive somewhere? That person did something to him and drove his car somewhere and dropped him off??
Why??? A robbery? What other reason are these missing men all disapearing for, if not robbery?
I don't get it.....
And why was the car moved a few times?????
There are so many things w/ this case that don't make sense. [/*]
Ok here me out....
i know this is way out there and stuff, but i just had to write it....i was asking earlier what would be the reason all these men go missing besides robbery....
i mean it's not like alot of cases w/ women where alot of them are raped.....
so i was watching my soap opera tonight....ALL MY CHILDREN....and these guys were following a character named JR....they kidnapped him.....and brought him somewhere and had him hooked up to this stuff.....all just so they could get his bone marrow for a dying man....
i realize that ALMOST ALL the stuff on this soap is unrealistic....but do you think that stuff like this is going on in real life? Stealing bone marrow? Stealing organs? etc....?

shelkobe

02-26-2008, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
This article says a coworker saw him leaving the parking lot - this was the first I heard of this - Christine said a coworker saw him go to his car and that he was parked on the street.

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=53372
Yet in this article, and I apologize if it has been linked already (I didn't see it), Christine says that the coworker did not actually see him leave a parking lot or space.

"We don't even know that he made it into his car, as far as I am aware. The person that saw him leave the building, they split off. He said, according to her, that he had to go up where ever he pointed he was going."
http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=29560

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by shelkobe

Yet in this article, and I apologize if it has been linked already (I didn't see it), Christine says that the coworker did not actually see him leave a parking lot or space.

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=11&sid=29560 [/*]

No, I had not seen that article. There are so many comments Christine has made on different blogs that I cannot recall where it was she said "he was parked on the street". I even asked SeattleEddie if that would be normal in the part of town he worked to park on the street and if it was a high crime area.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 06:50 AM

Kamiron - I'm so very sorry to hear about your brother. That is heart wrenching. I am hoping desperately that Nicholas is not the victim of foul play and that he walks in the door and everybody can be happy.

There are conflicting reports on where he was parked, if he was actually seen getting in his car or driving away, so I'm wondering if he did make it to his car and headed home, could he have been carjacked along the way? Perhaps at a red light? Would no one have seen this? Is it a busy highway he would have to travel? Maybe he made it to Costco and was kidnapped in the parking lot - would there not be someone who would have seen SOMETHING? Still baffled.

Danette44

02-26-2008, 07:07 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Kamiron - I'm so very sorry to hear about your brother. That is heart wrenching. I am hoping desperately that Nicholas is not the victim of foul play and that he walks in the door and everybody can be happy.

There are conflicting reports on where he was parked, if he was actually seen getting in his car or driving away, so I'm wondering if he did make it to his car and headed home, could he have been carjacked along the way? Perhaps at a red light? Would no one have seen this? Is it a busy highway he would have to travel? Maybe he made it to Costco and was kidnapped in the parking lot - would there not be someone who would have seen SOMETHING? Still baffled. [/*]

Good Morning Rainy - I thought T-Mobile did release his phone records, I never read that artical either, she really uses that word "coward", alot, I wonder why? We should all be so lucky to have such a perfect marriage as she has! jmoo

carterkatt

02-26-2008, 07:16 AM

I still wonder if he took $$ out of his account (Paypal)... perhaps got a tax refund check, and planned, sort of spur of the moment, to leave?

Are there casinos in that area? Gambling debt?

I don't like thinking he left - but the alternative is worse.

If he left - I am pretty certain he would have no idea that such a "big deal" would be made. Unless someone (like us!) visits these types of boards, watches Nancy, Greta, the "average person" has no clue of all the missing people out there, and the increasing coverage missing people are getting.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 07:30 AM

Morning Danette :seeya:

TMobile did release the records but I don't know if there has been an official report of what they did or did not contain.

Okay this isn't my suggestion so I don't want to take credit for it, but over on WS someone said that perhaps since it was the night before Valentines that he stopped to get something for Christine and the kids. If that is even a possibility, LE may be looking in the wrong places, i.e. Costco (meaning where he was headed from work).

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by carterkatt
I still wonder if he took $$ out of his account (Paypal)... perhaps got a tax refund check, and planned, sort of spur of the moment, to leave?

Are there casinos in that area? Gambling debt?

I don't like thinking he left - but the alternative is worse.

If he left - I am pretty certain he would have no idea that such a "big deal" would be made. Unless someone (like us!) visits these types of boards, watches Nancy, Greta, the "average person" has no clue of all the missing people out there, and the increasing coverage missing people are getting. [/*]

You're exactly right - my sister lives around the block from me but doesn't visit these boards and she didn't know anything about it. Of course now she is trying to catch up and read up on it.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by KindraLore

Hi Curiouser and welcome to the boards! Please, speak up and don't lurk. I think its great to have all different perspectives! Believe me, I'm not saying mine is the only one. I am voicing my own opinion which may or may not be right, as is everyone here.

As far as carjacking or a thug, well all the other missing cases I quoted, some of them had cars too and no evidence was found in those cars as well, so obviously the crime did not happen in the vehicle. I don't believe I have read specifically what the cops have said about Nick's car, other than it was unlocked, possibly moved, with no leading evidence. They have not said it was wiped clean of finger prints, but I would be curious to know if it was.

I agree about Christine and the coffee. Sometimes people in cases like these look at everything through a magnifying glass and make a much to do about nothing. Sounds like he was being a great, attentive hubby to me. MOO for me too. lol [/*]

Yes people do put the situation under a magnifying glass especially when it is high profile. When Elizabeth Smart was missing, people said Ed was gay, Ed knew something, the wife was submissive, Elizabeth looked miserable in her pictures - wondered why Ed said "we still love you Elizabeth" - why would Ed say that? Did he know something or suspect she ran away? People questioned why Ed did not badger Mary Catherine about who she saw in the room. My point is that Christine is no exception. She will be looked at closely, as will her finances (especially since she made them public), her online activities, his online activities, their home life, etc.

bitsy555

02-26-2008, 09:40 AM

Hi everyone....I've been lurking and reading. I've been following this case since I saw it on Nancy Grace. And I apologize if this has already been covered....but do we know if the police have searched the home computers for any clues or new information?

Also did they dust his car for fingerprints? I have read so much I can't keep straight what I've read! I know one of the sightings was suppose to be at a gas station. Did they check his gas tank to see if he filled up?

I don't know why this case is so intriguing to me. I get involved in so many of these cases but for some reason this one is especially puzzling!

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 10:04 AM

Welcome Bitsy - I don't know the answers. I asked earlier if they had checked the mileage on the car or checked the gas tank. I hope they are checking into these types of things but there has been no word whatsoever that I can find in any news reports. The latest was the AMW newslink. Someone asked a few pages back where the car is now and no one answered that I remember, so I don't even know if it is still being looked at or returned to Christine.

Curiouser

02-26-2008, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by bitsy555
Hi everyone....I've been lurking and reading. I've been following this case since I saw it on Nancy Grace. And I apologize if this has already been covered....but do we know if the police have searched the home computers for any clues or new information?

Also did they dust his car for fingerprints? I have read so much I can't keep straight what I've read! I know one of the sightings was suppose to be at a gas station. Did they check his gas tank to see if he filled up?

I don't know why this case is so intriguing to me. I get involved in so many of these cases but for some reason this one is especially puzzling! [/*]

Good morning, everyone. I don't think anyone has heard anywhere that they've looked at the home computer(s). They apparently did dust the car for fingerprints since they said it had been gone over but no clues found there. Don't know about the gas tank but that's a very good question.

I've been thinking also and I don't want to be mean spirited about this, just a thought, all the stuff about making cookies and stopping at Costco is what Christine has told us so do we really know this even happened. There were about 4 hours unaccounted for between the time he left work and when CF called the LE. A lot of things can happen in 4 hours!! moo

kaylynn

02-26-2008, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by bitsy555
Hi everyone....I've been lurking and reading. I've been following this case since I saw it on Nancy Grace. And I apologize if this has already been covered....but do we know if the police have searched the home computers for any clues or new information?

Also did they dust his car for fingerprints? I have read so much I can't keep straight what I've read! I know one of the sightings was suppose to be at a gas station. Did they check his gas tank to see if he filled up?

I don't know why this case is so intriguing to me. I get involved in so many of these cases but for some reason this one is especially puzzling! [/*]

Hey Bitsy, welcome to the boards! We're glad to have you:seeya:
I think (some may need to correct me if I'm wrong) that the police haven't searched the home computers because they have no evidence of a crime being committed, so they can't get a search warrant to do so. I'm not sure about finger-printing the car.

desmom

02-26-2008, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Curiouser

Good morning, everyone. I don't think anyone has heard anywhere that they've looked at the home computer(s). They apparently did dust the car for fingerprints since they said it had been gone over but no clues found there. Don't know about the gas tank but that's a very good question.

I've been thinking also and I don't want to be mean spirited about this, just a thought, all the stuff about making cookies and stopping at Costco is what Christine has told us so do we really know this even happened. There were about 4 hours unaccounted for between the time he left work and when CF called the LE. A lot of things can happen in 4 hours!! moo [/*]

Morning Everyone and Welcome to CTV to all the new posters.

Curiouser, excellent point.

Did LE talk to their neighbors? Did they see his car at home?

She made statements about how Nicholas' family was the center of his life, he would get the children up in the morning, get them dressed, feed them breakfast, bring her coffee in bed before he leaves for work...... I am sure there are men like this, but...... IMO, it sounds like something out of a romance novel.

jmo

kaylynn

02-26-2008, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by sherryhefner
I think the biggest problem most of us have is the immediate request for money....this is not typical. My tendency is to think that maybe they came up with this plan together, in order to garner sympathy and funds.

[/*]

Yeah, that's exactly my problem. To me, it seems like she thinks her husband isn't coming back, and she needs money immediately. Setting up a fund for her and the kids seems to me like the FIRST thing she did, after calling the police. To me, the first thing I would do would be to go look for him(or, if I couldn't because I was pregnant like her, then I'd organize search teams), I'd completely hand everything over to LE(computers, financial papers, phones, everything), and I'd talk to people he worked with, was friends with etc. The first thing I would NOT do is come out and ask for money. It seems fishy.

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 11:20 AM

ok this is just bugging me....
there are no clues at all....

cog1

02-26-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
This article says a coworker saw him leaving the parking lot - this was the first I heard of this - Christine said a coworker saw him go to his car and that he was parked on the street.

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=53372 [/*]

From the AMW site.

Sheriff's officials are also canvassing several neighborhoods. King County Sheriff's Sergeant John Urquhart told AMW, "We took search dogs in there to get a scent on him and found nothing and did the same thing at his work."

I'm glad to see they used the dogs but I no scent tells me that he was NOT in the car when it was parked there. Of course, they also used the dogs at his work and we know he left the parking garage so.....:shrug:

Any thoughts??

cog1

02-26-2008, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Over on WS they are saying he had a LinkedIn account in addition to his Etsy business. How can Christine or LE say that there is no association with anyone in that complex without knowing all of his online activities or knowing all of his work contacts and friends of friends of work contacts. [/*]

Hi Rainy,
I did see the LinkedIn account yesterday. I did not look at the activity but he was posting info on his career and it looked to me listing there in search of extra work.

IMO

desmom

02-26-2008, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by cog1

From the AMW site.

Sheriff's officials are also canvassing several neighborhoods. King County Sheriff's Sergeant John Urquhart told AMW, "We took search dogs in there to get a scent on him and found nothing and did the same thing at his work."

I'm glad to see they used the dogs but I no scent tells me that he was NOT in the car when it was parked there. Of course, they also used the dogs at his work and we know he left the parking garage so.....:shrug:

Any thoughts?? [/*]

I would think the dogs would have picked up a scent from his car because it was his car. Maybe when LE says "to get a scent on him and found nothing' they are saying the dogs could not find a scent that lead anywhere from the parking lot. :shrug:

Did he have another vehicle.....maybe a rental car? Did someone pick him up? If foul play is involved, was he transferred to a different vehicle?

jmo

Curiouser

02-26-2008, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by cog1

From the AMW site.

Sheriff's officials are also canvassing several neighborhoods. King County Sheriff's Sergeant John Urquhart told AMW, "We took search dogs in there to get a scent on him and found nothing and did the same thing at his work."

I'm glad to see they used the dogs but I no scent tells me that he was NOT in the car when it was parked there. Of course, they also used the dogs at his work and we know he left the parking garage so.....:shrug:

Any thoughts?? [/*]

I would think one's "scent" would stay in a vehicle for awhile even if he hadn't driven it there. He'd driven it to work on the 13th so he had been using the car. This just doesn't make sense. Like a lot of other things I guess.

jtazzy

02-26-2008, 11:32 AM

Have they set up any searches to be done in the area his car was found in? I think I have read that his car has been moved several times?

Curiouser

02-26-2008, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by jtazzy
Have they set up any searches to be done in the area his car was found in? I think I have read that his car has been moved several times? [/*]

I read a blog somewhere (MAYBE nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com NOT SURE ABOUT THIS) that listed a bunch of areas that had apparently been searched by volunteers.

cog1

02-26-2008, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by desmom

I would think the dogs would have picked up a scent from his car because it was his car. Maybe when LE says "to get a scent on him and found nothing' they are saying the dogs could not find a scent that lead anywhere from the parking lot. :shrug:

Did he have another vehicle.....maybe a rental car? Did someone pick him up? If foul play is involved, was he transferred to a different vehicle?

jmo [/*]

My first thought was that the dogs did not pick up a scent of him exiting the vehicle. The same at work. I thought since he was seen in the parking garage, apparently headed to his car that he made it there. But, maybe he didn't. Maybe someone knocked him out in the garage, grabbed his keys, drove into the garage picked him up and just dumped him somewhere.

But then with that scenerio in the garage, I suppose the dogs would have at least picked up his scent in the garage. They may have and that is the last they have of him.

I dunno. Just speculating!

IMO

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by cog1

Hi Rainy,
I did see the LinkedIn account yesterday. I did not look at the activity but he was posting info on his career and it looked to me listing there in search of extra work.

IMO [/*]

Awwww bless his heart

cog1

02-26-2008, 11:47 AM

Track292003

02-26-2008, 11:56 AM

Did Nicholas use a credit card at the gas station where he was seen the evening of February 13? Is there any video of his being there...or was it just his car that was sighted?

I have seen no mention of his wallet being missing -- only his cell and his laptop. Has LE -- or Christine -- said anything about his wallet?

huskiki

02-26-2008, 12:05 PM

Good Morning Everyone:seeya:

I'm sorry I fell asleep last night, I had a lot of catching up to do this morning.

I don't even know what to say. From what I have read on the last few pages here it sounds like LE isn't going to look into this case any further. I'm sure that will change if they receive any new leads.

AMW is good for getting some information wrong. I noticed something that they had written about Jaliek Rainwalker that is incorrect. I let someone close to him know and they contacted AMW to straighten it out.

Have there been any more interviews with the family or friends?

wondering?

02-26-2008, 12:13 PM

I have seen some mention that they wonder if the mileage on the car was checked. Have been trying to think how that would help unless he had just had work done on it and the mileage as of that date was close enough to his disappearance time to be of help.

I noticed in Christine's profile on her Etsy site says that she is the mother of three children.
http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=5008691

All the pictures of the family show two children. Set me straight on this one please.

I constantly check to see if he has come home or has he been found. Would be so happy to have him back with his beautiful family.

huskiki

02-26-2008, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by wondering?
I have seen some mention that they wonder if the mileage on the car was checked. Have been trying to think how that would help unless he had just had work done on it and the mileage as of that date was close enough to his disappearance time to be of help.

I noticed in Christine's profile on her Etsy site says that she is the mother of three children.
http://www.etsy.com/profile.php?user_id=5008691

All the pictures of the family show two children. Set me straight on this one please.

I constantly check to see if he has come home or has he been found. Would be so happy to have him back with his beautiful family. [/*]

They have 2 children and one on the way.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Is anyone here surprised how this story has not been followed up by the media...at least as I can see? Greta is usually pretty good to do a follow up on missing persons. [/*]

Yep - absolutely nothing, not even in the Seattle newspaper.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by Track292003
Did Nicholas use a credit card at the gas station where he was seen the evening of February 13? Is there any video of his being there...or was it just his car that was sighted?

I have seen no mention of his wallet being missing -- only his cell and his laptop. Has LE -- or Christine -- said anything about his wallet? [/*]

from what I've read, his wallet has not been mentioned

huskiki

02-26-2008, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Is anyone here surprised how this story has not been followed up by the media...at least as I can see? Greta is usually pretty good to do a follow up on missing persons. [/*]

I've been hinting around to this fact for the past couple of days. I find it very telling that this story has not been followed up on.

Track292003

02-26-2008, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

In what way do you find it telling? That perhaps this is a hoax? [/*]

Or that perhaps LE has reasosn to believe that he left intentionally and does not want to be found?

MOO.

huskiki

02-26-2008, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

In what way do you find it telling? That perhaps this is a hoax? [/*]

Telling in that it seems when cases go awry the media backs out of them. For instance the college couple who were missing, also on Valentine's day. They were both found and now everyone is tight lipped on the details.

I didn't think that this was a haox but now that it's been brought up ...

With so little to go on, anything is possible. IMO JMO and MOO for those who find that one funny.

huskiki

02-26-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by Track292003

Or that perhaps LE has reasosn to believe that he left intentionally and does not want to be found?

MOO. [/*]

That could be it right there. Nicholas is a grown man and has the right to pick up and leave if he wants to. I'm not saying it's being responsible but he does have that right.

Track292003

02-26-2008, 01:11 PM

Perhaps Nicholas's cell phone records from T-Mobile gave LE new insight into circumstances that might have led to his disappearance. Just a thought....

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by Track292003
Perhaps Nicholas's cell phone records from T-Mobile gave LE new insight into circumstances that might have led to his disappearance. Just a thought.... [/*]

That could be and/or maybe the PI his company hired has shed some light on it also.

Track292003

02-26-2008, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

That could be and/or maybe the PI his company hired has shed some light on it also. [/*]

Definitely a possibility! I'd totally forgotten about the PI, so thank you for the reminder.

huskiki

02-26-2008, 01:22 PM

A mass for Nicholas and his wife and you guessed it ...another collection.

http://www.stanthonysforestgrove.org/nicholas_francisco.htm

wondering?

02-26-2008, 01:57 PM

No, he does not have the "right" to just disappear!
What gives him that right?
He has a wife (until death do us part) and two children and one on the way, a job that he is obligated to, parents, siblings!

In that case, no one has the "right" to just walk away! Sorry, don't go along with that.

There are ways to obtain that right, like a separation, divorce, resignation from a job, telling family, " hey, I have had enough of all of this and I need time out/away".

Am still hoping that he will return or a solution will be found to this very upsetting case.

And to those who say they were doing ok financially because she had a website selling things and he had a job! The costs that come from selling home made sewing projects, not only in $$ but in fabric stock and the time it takes to make things, care for two children, a house and yes, a husband are high. It takes a long time to turn a profit.

God Bless the Francisco family, I do not know you but I can feel your pain.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 02:11 PM

I hope he is found with a bump on his head and can't remember his name. That can be fixed. Foul play cannot, nor can running away most likely.

I do wonder if she knows more than she is letting on. Let me clarify. By that I mean maybe she suspects something. She found the PayPal account balance low to the point of panic. I was reading through some of the early posts on the Etsy threads and the words "in desperate need of money" came up several times. Maybe something made her radar go up that she will not/does not intend to share. Maybe there are other things she has found along with the low PayPal balance that makes her question if he just left.

I don't think there is a person on this board who is not concerned for the entire family and wants nothing but a joyous reunion.

Nellie

02-26-2008, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

That could be it right there. Nicholas is a grown man and has the right to pick up and leave if he wants to. I'm not saying it's being responsible but he does have that right. [/*]

what about child support? Wouldn't that make him a dead-beat child? Wouldn't that be child neglect? I'm not sure I agree that he has that right to abandon his children. Doesn't the law go after dead beat dads?

Nellie

02-26-2008, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by wondering?
No, he does not have the "right" to just disappear!
What gives him that right?
He has a wife (until death do us part) and two children and one on the way, a job that he is obligated to, parents, siblings!

In that case, no one has the "right" to just walk away! Sorry, don't go along with that.

There are ways to obtain that right, like a separation, divorce, resignation from a job, telling family, " hey, I have had enough of all of this and I need time out/away".

Am still hoping that he will return or a solution will be found to this very upsetting case.

And to those who say they were doing ok financially because she had a website selling things and he had a job! The costs that come from selling home made sewing projects, not only in $$ but in fabric stock and the time it takes to make things, care for two children, a house and yes, a husband are high. It takes a long time to turn a profit.

God Bless the Francisco family, I do not know you but I can feel your pain. [/*]

wandering, I agree with you about not having the right to abandon his family, esp. his children.

As far as us saying they were doing ok..that is what Christine said herself on Greta. Then suddenly we hear she gave the Etsy the opposite message....that she was in desperate need of money. IMO, it is the appeal for funds that makes this case so suspcious.

One thing that puzzles me is that her appearance on Greta came AFTER the pleas for money and Etsy fund raising had already started. But, yet on Greta, she let on that they didn't have any more problems than any other couple. So, which is it? She was tellin Greta that after telling the Etsy community the opposite.

About her online business....I agree with you on that one. I run my own online business and people seem to think you get rich from it. Not so. You're lucky to turn much of a profit at all, even if your sales are good. There are so many expenses involved. I think her business gave her a little spending money....cash flow....but did not go to help support them. JMO

huskiki

02-26-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by wondering?
No, he does not have the "right" to just disappear!
What gives him that right?
He has a wife (until death do us part) and two children and one on the way, a job that he is obligated to, parents, siblings!

In that case, no one has the "right" to just walk away! Sorry, don't go along with that.

There are ways to obtain that right, like a separation, divorce, resignation from a job, telling family, " hey, I have had enough of all of this and I need time out/away".

Am still hoping that he will return or a solution will be found to this very upsetting case.

And to those who say they were doing ok financially because she had a website selling things and he had a job! The costs that come from selling home made sewing projects, not only in $$ but in fabric stock and the time it takes to make things, care for two children, a house and yes, a husband are high. It takes a long time to turn a profit.

God Bless the Francisco family, I do not know you but I can feel your pain. [/*]

He's an adult, free to go where he wants to. There are no laws that say he cannot leave if he wants to. This is why LE isn't going to do anything more with this case unless there are solid leads. No crime has been committed.

In case you missed the rest of my comment, I said I did not say that this is being responsible. He has a committment to his wife, children, employer, etc. It's not the right thing to do but there are no laws against it.

I am the first to come down on those who take off on their own selfish whims without letting someone know that they are doing so. I think it's irresponsible and selfish and I don't really care what the circumstance is. We all have problems and sometimes need to escape but I think if it comes down to it tell someone that you're going. I'm not saying give a full explanation, just let someone know that you need time to yourself. Think about all the missing person cases and the resources are taken away from those cases when someone pulls something like this. It's wrong!

So again, he has a right to go where he pleases, there are no laws that state otherwise. BUT it does not make it right.

IMO JMO MOO

huskiki

02-26-2008, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

what about child support? Wouldn't that make him a dead-beat child? Wouldn't that be child neglect? I'm not sure I agree that he has that right to abandon his children. Doesn't the law go after dead beat dads? [/*]

Yes, he would owe child support. If they ever find him then he would have to pay, assuming he is still alive. And if he doesn't pay I believe he would go to jail.

I guess using the word "right" isn't the right term. There aren't any laws that say a person can't pick up and move. Think of it as a single person. If a single person was tired of their surroundings and wanted to move, where is it written that they are required by law to notify anyone? It's not the responsible thing to do but they have the legal right to do so.

omsk99

02-26-2008, 02:24 PM

Not sure if it's been already said, but per AMW, the car was unlocked, keys and his laptop gone. His Costco card was never used that day.

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=53372

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 02:30 PM

I'm going to repost this...look what LE says about this...

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=4325797&page=1

Nellie

02-26-2008, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Yes, he would owe child support. If they ever find him then he would have to pay, assuming he is still alive. And if he doesn't pay I believe he would go to jail.

I guess using the word "right" isn't the right term. There aren't any laws that say a person can't pick up and move. Think of it as a single person. If a single person was tired of their surroundings and wanted to move, where is it written that they are required by law to notify anyone? It's not the responsible thing to do but they have the legal right to do so. [/*]

Oh, I understand what you meant. And if the police find him they cannot make him go back or even tell his family where he is. I found that out when they found Beth Smith. She was missing of her own choice and she did not want her family to know where she was....and the police had no right to reveal where she was to her family. They ended up encouraging her to get ahold of them. So, this case would be the same if he just took off.

The silence on this case is deafening.....

bitsy555

02-26-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by kaylynn

Hey Bitsy, welcome to the boards! We're glad to have you:seeya:
I think (some may need to correct me if I'm wrong) that the police haven't searched the home computers because they have no evidence of a crime being committed, so they can't get a search warrant to do so. I'm not sure about finger-printing the car. [/*]

Thanks for the welcome everyone!

So I guess it would be up to Christine to have someone look at the computers. And maybe she has done that? I'm just thinking what I would do in that situation? I think I would try to look at everything I could that might give me a clue to what may have happened. It's hard to say what you would do in that situation, but I think I would rather know. Even if I found out something that I wasn't aware of.

huskiki

02-26-2008, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I hope he is found with a bump on his head and can't remember his name. That can be fixed. Foul play cannot, nor can running away most likely.

I do wonder if she knows more than she is letting on. Let me clarify. By that I mean maybe she suspects something. She found the PayPal account balance low to the point of panic. I was reading through some of the early posts on the Etsy threads and the words "in desperate need of money" came up several times. Maybe something made her radar go up that she will not/does not intend to share. Maybe there are other things she has found along with the low PayPal balance that makes her question if he just left.

I don't think there is a person on this board who is not concerned for the entire family and wants nothing but a joyous reunion. [/*]

I'm with you and think she did happen upon something that didn't sit well with her. To me she seems to be more depressed than concerned. She can't function, has people helping her with the kids. And of course she's going to say what a loving husband and father he is, she doesn't want to believe that he could have left on his own.

We are all concerned for Christine and her family and hope that Nicholas comes home safe and sound.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by bitsy555

Thanks for the welcome everyone!

So I guess it would be up to Christine to have someone look at the computers. And maybe she has done that? I'm just thinking what I would do in that situation? I think I would try to look at everything I could that might give me a clue to what may have happened. It's hard to say what you would do in that situation, but I think I would rather know. Even if I found out something that I wasn't aware of. [/*]

I agree completely. I would be all over the house looking for anything and everything - the car - talking to his friends, his employers, turning my computer over to an expert. I would probably have sat at that apartment complex to see who comes and goes and try to make any possible connection. Like you said, maybe she has.

huskiki

02-26-2008, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae
:seeya:

Does anyone know if LE finds this guy, and it turns out he just "walked away", will they inform his wife?

Not inform her where he is located, but that he is alive and just left....?

Perhaps that is why we haven't heard much on NG, Greta and the rest.

:shrug: [/*]

That's what they did in the Beth Smith case.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

That's what they did in the Beth Smith case. [/*]

Did they inform the public?

huskiki

02-26-2008, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Did they inform the public? [/*]

It did get out in the media. Someone eventually convinced her to go home, that was in August. In October she was headed to divorce court, her husband filed for divorce and sole custody of their kids.

http://www.wkrg.com/news/article/runaway_preachers_wife_headed_for_divorce_court/5707/

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

It did get out in the media. Someone eventually convinced her to go home, that was in August. In October she was headed to divorce court, her husband filed for divorce and sole custody of their kids.

http://www.wkrg.com/news/article/runaway_preachers_wife_headed_for_divorce_court/5707/ [/*]

Thanks for the article :) Well there is one source of immediate income - pawn the wedding ring.

huskiki

02-26-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thanks for the article :) Well there is one source of immediate income - pawn the wedding ring. [/*]

:lol: That is one way to make a quick buck.

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Thanks for the article :) Well there is one source of immediate income - pawn the wedding ring. [/*]

That would be so painful for me to do if my husband were missing w/out deciding that w/ him first.
I would feel like i'm just giving up on him or something......
i dunno.....
i'm getting more and more emotional w/ this case as the days go on.........
Nicholas......where in the world are you????? :confused:

huskiki

02-26-2008, 03:34 PM

Now I'm thinking ...

If Nicholas is out there, left on his own, he most likely has his laptop with him. I wonder if he's reading about his disappearance. :shrug:

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday

That would be so painful for me to do if my husband were missing w/out deciding that w/ him first.
I would feel like i'm just giving up on him or something......
i dunno.....
i'm getting more and more emotional w/ this case as the days go on.........
Nicholas......where in the world are you????? :confused: [/*]

I know - I don't know why I'm so bugged by this young man. I've tried to decide if he reminds me of a friend or family member and he doesn't. He just looks so young and full of hope and appears to be in over his head.

PS I wasn't talking about HER pawning her ring - I was referring to Beth in the article that Huski posted

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 03:35 PM

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I know - I don't know why I'm so bugged by this young man. I've tried to decide if he reminds me of a friend or family member and he doesn't. He just looks so young and full of hope and appears to be in over his head.

PS I wasn't talking about HER pawning her ring - I was referring to Beth in the article that Huski posted [/*]

Ohhhh sorry lol.....
did you see my post from last night about my soap opera and the storyline on there right now???
i know it's way out there.....way way way out there.....but did you see it????

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday

Ohhhh sorry lol.....
did you see my post from last night about my soap opera and the storyline on there right now???
i know it's way out there.....way way way out there.....but did you see it???? [/*]

Yes and it scared me lol In this day and age, who knows.

omsk99

02-26-2008, 03:45 PM

The more I think about this case, the more I am inclined to think he left on his own... So sad for his family. :(

Track292003

02-26-2008, 03:49 PM

Does Nicholas have a passport? Is it missing? If so, it might have been several days before anyone realized it was missing and -- just maybe - that discovery (or something like it) has led to the silence on the part of the media and the family.

Just a thought.

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Yes and it scared me lol In this day and age, who knows. [/*]

I know it! Me too!
I was sitting there watching this totally ridiculous storyline on my show.....in the dark livingroom....
and i got this wierd feeling....and i thought.....
"anything is possible".....
MOO..........to all of you!!!
:)

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 03:54 PM

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by Track292003
Does Nicholas have a passport? Is it missing? If so, it might have been several days before anyone realized it was missing and -- just maybe - that discovery (or something like it) has led to the silence on the part of the media and the family.

Just a thought. [/*]

That's an interesting thought too.
I know they've mentioned the possibility of an international flight. Airports have all kinds of security cameras. Woudln't they be looking on those and asking around at the airports too w/ his picture all over the place????

Track292003

02-26-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday

That's an interesting thought too.
I know they've mentioned the possibility of an international flight. Airports have all kinds of security cameras. Woudln't they be looking on those and asking around at the airports too w/ his picture all over the place???? [/*]

Actually, I believe the news reported the possibility of an INTENTIONAL flight, not an international flight. But it was mistakenly mentioned here as international.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Track292003
Does Nicholas have a passport? Is it missing? If so, it might have been several days before anyone realized it was missing and -- just maybe - that discovery (or something like it) has led to the silence on the part of the media and the family.

Just a thought. [/*]

See these are the types of things I would be looking around the house for to see if they were missing.

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 04:17 PM

gino1234

02-26-2008, 04:20 PM

No new news is good news>>>>>:confused:

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 04:21 PM

So,
i'm not sure how i feel about dreams, predictions, visions, etc.
I'm not saying anything bad about them either.
But while i was looking at stuff about Maddie McCann, i found this site called Brian's predictions.
This guy has "dreams" of things like events....or missing people, etc.
He had tons of stuff about Brianna Dennison and tons of others.
It's kind of freaky how alot of his dreams have come true.
I guess he records everything whether he was right or wrong and you can decide for yourself i guess.
Anyway i wanted to give you guys the link if you haven't seen it already.
I sooooo wish i knew what he thought about this case.....
here's the link......
http://www.briansprediction.com/

Nellie

02-26-2008, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner
I'm assuming if LE found him they would not only notify his family but also the general public. They would not release info on his whereabouts if he didn't wish to be found.

Also, in the article referenced above, Christine says, "if you don't find him, these kids won't have a daddy." Isn't that wierd to you? You would think she would plead for him to call home or to contact them in some way, even if he is out there and doesn't want to return right now. [/*]

Yes, is struck me as odd. It also strikes me as a "sympathy card". While it would be true, most people don't immediately go to "my kids won't have a daddy" mode as soon as a person goes missing. And what about her? No mention of her not having a husband and missing him. Considering he was such a loving husband, it just seems strange to me that she went directly to the kids not having a daddy.....instead of pleading with someone to return him safely. Or, how about..."Nicholas, your children miss you so much. We are praying you're safe. If you are able to hear this message, please call.".

It just really seems she was so quick to dismiss him coming back and started playing the "single mom" scenario. Too quick for me. JMO...MOO...IMO...

Nellie

02-26-2008, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
Now I'm thinking ...

If Nicholas is out there, left on his own, he most likely has his laptop with him. I wonder if he's reading about his disappearance. :shrug: [/*]

I even wondered what date that one website was started by him. You know, if he has his laptop and internet access, he could be holed up in a motel or even have rented an apartment and started a new life. And he could be using his skills to set up a website to do business right there from the apartment or motel room to generate money. It's possible....it crossed my mind when someone talked about what he'd do for money if he took off. Set up a website...set up a new Pay Pal account....and go to it! I think it'd be hard to track if he was using a different name.

nanabillie

02-26-2008, 04:28 PM

So, will someone please tell me what the soap opera plot is? I know it seems I am eavesdropping. Sorry about that. And pawning a ring. I just laughed thinking about it. After my loaf of bread and jar of peanut butter was gone, then what? That's about how big my diamond is. LOL Unless it has "appreciated" in the last 39 years!

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 04:33 PM

nanabillie

02-26-2008, 04:35 PM

:seeya:

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by soyesterday
So,
i'm not sure how i feel about dreams, predictions, visions, etc.
I'm not saying anything bad about them either.
But while i was looking at stuff about Maddie McCann, i found this site called Brian's predictions.
This guy has "dreams" of things like events....or missing people, etc.
He had tons of stuff about Brianna Dennison and tons of others.
It's kind of freaky how alot of his dreams have come true.
I guess he records everything whether he was right or wrong and you can decide for yourself i guess.
Anyway i wanted to give you guys the link if you haven't seen it already.
I sooooo wish i knew what he thought about this case.....
here's the link......
http://www.briansprediction.com/ [/*]

I've seen his work before - on Natalee H he was way off - Shawn Hornbeck, right on target. I too have been curious as to what he would have to say about this. I read somewhere (gee I get tired of saying that), that Christine did not want to use any visionary type people. Sometimes that goes back to deep religious beliefs.

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by nanabillie
So, will someone please tell me what the soap opera plot is? I know it seems I am eavesdropping. Sorry about that. And pawning a ring. I just laughed thinking about it. After my loaf of bread and jar of peanut butter was gone, then what? That's about how big my diamond is. LOL Unless it has "appreciated" in the last 39 years! [/*]

I'm the one that posted about the soap opera plot! Lol!
I'll repost it for you.....

Ok here me out....
i know this is way out there and stuff, but i just had to write it....i was asking earlier what would be the reason all these men go missing besides robbery....
i mean it's not like alot of cases w/ women where alot of them are raped.....
so i was watching my soap opera tonight....ALL MY CHILDREN....and these guys were following a character named JR....they kidnapped him.....and brought him somewhere and had him hooked up to this stuff.....all just so they could get his bone marrow for a dying man....
i realize that ALMOST ALL the stuff on this soap is unrealistic....but do you think that stuff like this is going on in real life? Stealing bone marrow? Stealing organs? etc....?

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I've seen his work before - on Natalee H he was way off - Shawn Hornbeck, right on target. I too have been curious as to what he would have to say about this. I read somewhere (gee I get tired of saying that), that Christine did not want to use any visionary type people. Sometimes that goes back to deep religious beliefs. [/*]

Oh yeah i think i remember reading that too. I wonder if he would do it for someone like us!
I mean i've seen people come on there and just say "look there is this person missing....can u tell me what you think about this?"....and i think he tries to do it....
i don't think they have to be family on there....i dunno.....
i still don't know how i feel about it.....
it's kinda strange......i just don't know....
i am really interested to hear what he says about it though....

Lyndilu1

02-26-2008, 04:41 PM

There was an internet hoax a while back about people being kidnapped and stealing their organs. But as cooky as the world has become, it wouldn't surprise me at all.

I wish he'd at least let his wife know if he voluntarily ran off.

nanabillie

02-26-2008, 04:44 PM

I guess you never know. It probably has happened. But, with so many homeless people that no one would ever miss, I kind of doublt anyone would take a chance trying to kidnap a business man, family man. I really thought at first that this guy had probably been carjacked, robbed, murdered, etc. But after hearing that his laptop is missing, too. I don't think so. Of course it doesn't seem like someone just starting a new online business would vanish, either. He may just feel like he is in over his head and took off. I'd rather they all do that than kill their whole family and themselves.

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Track292003

Actually, I believe the news reported the possibility of an INTENTIONAL flight, not an international flight. But it was mistakenly mentioned here as international. [/*]

I don't think they have any reason to believe that he was on any flights out of SeaTac.. but I think you are right.. "intentional flight" means that he intentionally went missing.

I think because I know someone that works with Nicholas.. and I know how adamant that person is that he did not leave on his own... I am bias, but I have been on here reading and getting so overwhelmed by what people are saying about this family and this man.

I know that the police are saying that it really could go either way and I realize that is what these boards are for. But.. I can now see.. if I am feeling this way.. just knowing someone that was close to a person missing.. I can only imagine what the families of the missing see when they log on to these kinds of places and read. It really has shown me insight, I couldn't see before.

I followed Beth Smith's case very closely. Became close to some of her friends and family members. We even made our own forum with them so that they could openly discuss their missing family member. It was a member of that group of people that actually discovered the video at the pawn shop. (which proves that these boards can do good and bring about some information) But.. I have to say.. no matter what some of us thought happened to Beth.. the family I knew, LE and some friends were worried that they would never see her again but believed that she did choose to leave. LE always said that they suspected that she left on her own.

Nicholas' case is different.. in that.. there was NO signs of anything out of the ordinary. There is/was no downward spiral. If he left then it really would have to be a case of him just "snapping". They have found nothing out of the ordinary. And if you really believe that the KC Sheriff is just sitting back and doing nothing because it isn't illegal to disapper.. you would be wrong. Whether they want to or not.. they HAVE to follow the case. Can you imagine the civil suit that would insue if they didn't and Nicholas was found.. but too late because the police didn't look for him?

I have to throw this out there too. Nicholas worked in Seattle. While the Queen Anne neighborhood that he worked in may be "relatively safe".. we have had some amount of violent crimes happening. Seattle rates worse than the national average on violent crimes, property crimes and overall crime. You get down to the SeaTac, SouthCenter, White Center area.. the crime rate is even worse.

I am not saying this happened.. but my fear is that someone could have asked for a ride, made him get in the car at knifepoint or gunpoint, or he could have picked up a hitchhiker and they had him drive them somewhere.. where they harmed him and took his car. Our state is seperated by the cascade mountain range.. so along the I-5 corridor.. you are only about 30 minutes to the top of the mountains.. and there is lots of rural area and roads between here and there.

I don't know what the motive would be for someone to do that instead of just taking his car but.. like I said.. there have been lots of crimes around the Seattle area recently that don't seem to have any kind of motive.. just random violence.

Nellie

02-26-2008, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I know that the police are saying that it really could go either way and I realize that is what these boards are for. But.. I can now see.. if I am feeling this way.. just knowing someone that was close to a person missing.. I can only imagine what the families of the missing see when they log on to these kinds of places and read. It really has shown me insight, I couldn't see before.

Nicholas' case is different.. in that.. there was NO signs of anything out of the ordinary. There is/was no downward spiral. If he left then it really would have to be a case of him just "snapping". They have found nothing out of the ordinary. And if you really believe that the KC Sheriff is just sitting back and doing nothing because it isn't illegal to disapper.. you would be wrong. Whether they want to or not.. they HAVE to follow the case. Can you imagine the civil suit that would insue if they didn't and Nicholas was found.. but too late because the police didn't look for him?

[/*]

I know how you feel Mystry, since you know someone who knows him. I had a hard time when a friend of mine embezzled a half a million dollars from the company she worked for and I saw all kinds of ugly comments online about her. But, fact is, she did the crime....so I understood where those people were coming from. But, on the other hand, they didnt' know her except for the crime....I knew the good side of her...the caring side. So, it does make it hard to hear people talk about someone you care about.

Now, as far as nothing out of the ordinary going on....we really don't know that. Even his family like his mother and siblings don't REALLY know that. His co-workers wouldn't REALLY know that. The one who would come closest to knowing that would be Christine and she may not even know. People can hide a lot from others. And just like what was said in the Mary Winkler case over and over...no one knows what goes on behind closed doors. So, what looks like a perfect marriage may have been far from it. We just don't know.

omsk99

02-26-2008, 05:01 PM

MystryPhobia, I just find it odd that if someone did kidnap him, why would leave the car but take the laptop? It just wouldn't make any sense :shrug:

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 05:06 PM

Well maybe people will quit talking about it and this thread will fall to Page 3 or Page 4 and he will be just another statistic. One thing I always admired about Ed Smart is that he let people say what they had to say because it kept Elizabeth in the forefront and it was because of that, she was found - people remembered. His ego did not outweigh his profound desire to find his daughter.

This case was put out on AMW, Greta, Nancy, MySpace, YouTube - and people are not supposed to discuss every possible scenario? Okey Doke

Nellie

02-26-2008, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
Well maybe people will quit talking about it and this thread will fall to Page 3 or Page 4 and he will be just another statistic. One thing I always admired about Ed Smart is that he let people say what they had to say because it kept Elizabeth in the forefront and it was because of that, she was found - people remembered. His ego did not outweigh his profound desire to find his daughter.

This case was put out on AMW, Greta, Nancy, MySpace, YouTube - and people are not supposed to discuss every possible scenario? Okey Doke [/*]

Is that for me???? If it is...I saw "discuss away"! :D

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Is that for me???? If it is...I saw "discuss away"! :D [/*]

No Nellie its not. It just frustrates me that people have tried to discuss this on the West Seattle blog and Christine goes over there and gives those people a piece of her mind, along with the ETSY group, then on the ETSY site, no one, absolutely no one is allowed to discuss anything. Here you would think that you would be able to discuss the scenarios as is being discussed on every other missing person's thread, but invariably someone thinks it is wrong. I've been one of the main ones that have said I hope he comes home - I feel he will come home to his family. But to bury our head in the sand does not help anything.

shelkobe

02-26-2008, 05:30 PM

I've been thinking about a few things.

The fact that he didn't have a lot of money on him has no bearing on whether or not someone would try to rob him, because no one would have any idea just seeing him on the street what his financial situation was.

However, his car was also taken, and it was sixteen years old. THAT tells the perpetrator (if there was one), that he did not have a lot of money, one would think.

If it were a carjacking, why would they take an older car that could break down around the corner for all he knew?

Of course, if someone is on drugs and desperate, I guess they'll rob anyone for $10 or so. But then why take the car and the guy as well?

Too many things just don't add up.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by shelkobe
I've been thinking about a few things.

The fact that he didn't have a lot of money on him has no bearing on whether or not someone would try to rob him, because no one would have any idea just seeing him on the street what his financial situation was.

However, his car was also taken, and it was sixteen years old. THAT tells the perpetrator (if there was one), that he did not have a lot of money, one would think.

If it were a carjacking, why would they take an older car that could break down around the corner for all he knew?

Of course, if someone is on drugs and desperate, I guess they'll rob anyone for $10 or so. But then why take the car and the guy as well?

Too many things just don't add up. [/*]

If you had just stolen a car, why park it at an apartment complex and move it around several times? Why not ditch it somewhere where it would not be spotted so easily?

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by omsk99
MystryPhobia, I just find it odd that if someone did kidnap him, why would leave the car but take the laptop? It just wouldn't make any sense :shrug: [/*]

The car was all over the news. All it would take was one person identifying it. The laptop and cell is quick money.

Plus.. someone was using the car. It was at the complex for 3 days and moved 2-3 times WITH THE KEY since they said the igniton was intact.

Either HE was at the complex or within walking distance from it and if that is the case then he is probably still in that area.. OR whoever had the car (presumably someone with answers as to where he is) is in that complex or within walking distance.

I had my laptop stolen right out of my car a few months ago and my keys were in the ignition.. they didn't take my car. (I know I am dumb but just ran in my apt. office to pay my rent..)

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

No Nellie its not. It just frustrates me that people have tried to discuss this on the West Seattle blog and Christine goes over there and gives those people a piece of her mind, along with the ETSY group, then on the ETSY site, no one, absolutely no one is allowed to discuss anything. Here you would think that you would be able to discuss the scenarios as is being discussed on every other missing person's thread, but invariably someone thinks it is wrong. I've been one of the main ones that have said I hope he comes home - I feel he will come home to his family. But to bury our head in the sand does not help anything. [/*]

If that was for me then you completely missed the point of my post.

I was just saying that it is the first time that I kinda cringe when reading some of the stuff and have gained an understanding of why the families react the way that they do. Sometimes it is hard to read.

I have always said that the thing that I love about this site is that people can have differeing opinions and do it respectfully. The West Seattle and etsy blogs are completely out of control if you ask me. I think you can state your opinion with out being disrespectful to other bloggers..

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
......and clues won't add up until more information is forthcoming.

The fact that LE and the news media have backed away from making comments on this case should tell us that they know much more about it than we do.

Give them credit for doing their job, they have to know more about what happened to Nicholas than we will ever know. In fact they just might know exactly where he is at this very moment but just not telling anyone. They are in no way obligated to do so since it is no crime to walk away. [/*]

That is not exactly true Beth.

LE would not continue to say that the case was on going. They would say it was closed and that they were not investigating it any longer.

On the news this morning LE said that they are counting on the publics help and will follow up on any leads that come in... but that they were at a dead end as where to look right now.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

If that was for me then you completely missed the point of my post.

I was just saying that it is the first time that I kinda cringe when reading some of the stuff and have gained an understanding of why the families react the way that they do. Sometimes it is hard to read.

I have always said that the thing that I love about this site is that people can have differeing opinions and do it respectfully. The West Seattle and etsy blogs are completely out of control if you ask me. I think you can state your opinion with out being disrespectful to other bloggers.. [/*]

I've never met Christine or Nicholas, but I cringe also because some of it is just so unpleasant but if one thing one poster says might shed some light, its worth it. Some possible scenarios that could have happened I won't even let my mind entertain and I'm probably setting myself up for a big fall. Sorry to have taken you wrong

Nellie

02-26-2008, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
......and clues won't add up until more information is forthcoming.

The fact that LE and the news media have backed away from making comments on this case should tell us that they know much more about it than we do.

Give them credit for doing their job, they have to know more about what happened to Nicholas than we will ever know. In fact they just might know exactly where he is at this very moment but just not telling anyone. They are in no way obligated to do so since it is no crime to walk away. [/*]

If LE or the media knows what is going on....then do you think the family,including Christine would know too? I'm wondering about that because Christine herself posted "no news" at Etsy today around 3:30 PM.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

That is not exactly true Beth.

LE would not continue to say that the case was on going. They would say it was closed and that they were not investigating it any longer.

On the news this morning LE said that they are counting on the publics help and will follow up on any leads that come in... but that they were at a dead end as where to look right now. [/*]

And this I guess was my point earlier - what if some of you guys who are great sleuthers put something together and called a tip in and he is found? It is through talk, searching (for those who can), and everyone remembering his face.

Nellie

02-26-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

The car was all over the news. All it would take was one person identifying it. The laptop and cell is quick money.

Plus.. someone was using the car. It was at the complex for 3 days and moved 2-3 times WITH THE KEY since they said the igniton was intact.

Either HE was at the complex or within walking distance from it and if that is the case then he is probably still in that area.. OR whoever had the car (presumably someone with answers as to where he is) is in that complex or within walking distance.

I had my laptop stolen right out of my car a few months ago and my keys were in the ignition.. they didn't take my car. (I know I am dumb but just ran in my apt. office to pay my rent..) [/*]

One thing that has puzzled me is the movement of the car and the missing key. If they just carjack the car (and who knows what they did to poor Nicholas) and then they dump the car at that complex....why did they bother to remove the keys? Why not just leave them right there in the ignition? It would be lucky for them to then have someone steal it and all of the heat would be on them.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

If LE or the media knows what is going on....then do you think the family,including Christine would know too? I'm wondering about that because Christine herself posted "no news" at Etsy today around 3:30 PM. [/*]

I saw that too - as I said earlier, she may know more than she can or is willing to tell.

Nellie

02-26-2008, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

No Nellie its not. It just frustrates me that people have tried to discuss this on the West Seattle blog and Christine goes over there and gives those people a piece of her mind, along with the ETSY group, then on the ETSY site, no one, absolutely no one is allowed to discuss anything. Here you would think that you would be able to discuss the scenarios as is being discussed on every other missing person's thread, but invariably someone thinks it is wrong. I've been one of the main ones that have said I hope he comes home - I feel he will come home to his family. But to bury our head in the sand does not help anything. [/*]

Oh good! Cause I've pretty well discussed it from every angle. LOL!

Yep, a group like Etsy will shut anyone up who they think doesn't fit the agenda that is going on. The agenda? To support Christine. It is not to look at all of the scenarios. So, if someone tries to throw a monkey wrench in the purpose of being all positive for Christine, then they will have coals lumped on their heads. I've seen it before.

Nellie

02-26-2008, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I saw that too - as I said earlier, she may know more than she can or is willing to tell. [/*]

Something tells me she's a talker....or at least when it will benefit her. :D

omsk99

02-26-2008, 05:58 PM

Can someone tell me where Christine posts on the Etsy website? I couldn't find it in the forums. TIA

Danette44

02-26-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
I hope he is found with a bump on his head and can't remember his name. That can be fixed. Foul play cannot, nor can running away most likely.

I do wonder if she knows more than she is letting on. Let me clarify. By that I mean maybe she suspects something. She found the PayPal account balance low to the point of panic. I was reading through some of the early posts on the Etsy threads and the words "in desperate need of money" came up several times. Maybe something made her radar go up that she will not/does not intend to share. Maybe there are other things she has found along with the low PayPal balance that makes her question if he just left.

I don't think there is a person on this board who is not concerned for the entire family and wants nothing but a joyous reunion. [/*]

Hi Rainy just got home from work and reading and maybe I should read all before I remark, but to think she is going to get more money! I;m sorry, but this is just unreal - in all the yrs I have been on this board this is the first I have seen someone seek money so fast into a disappearance, usually if they do it's for donations for the reward! What upset me is when I read on the WSB board a member from her chruch was going to get people together and get care packages for her and the kids and she said no, she needed cash! Her actions are alittle off - and I feel anyone and everyone has a right to walk if they so feel the need to! I think Nancy and Greta don't feel comfortable covering this story anymore and Nancy had been sued for voicing her opinon on the Duckette case, so I can see why the media has backed off, it's to fishy. I also wish for his safe return and nothing bad has happen to him. JMOO

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Oh good! Cause I've pretty well discussed it from every angle. LOL!

Yep, a group like Etsy will shut anyone up who they think doesn't fit the agenda that is going on. The agenda? To support Christine. It is not to look at all of the scenarios. So, if someone tries to throw a monkey wrench in the purpose of being all positive for Christine, then they will have coals lumped on their heads. I've seen it before. [/*]

LMAO at coals on their head - I've never seen a board like that so it appears very foreign to me

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Sure they would.....anything to appear that they didn't know certain information and to give the impression they don't know anything.

You will find when this case is all said and done, there will be more twists and turns than what you could possibly imagine.

Nothing is as it appears. [/*]

Beth in your thoughts/intuition/whatever, are any of us on the right track?

desmom

02-26-2008, 06:05 PM

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Hi Rainy just got home from work and reading and maybe I should read all before I remark, but to think she is going to get more money! I;m sorry, but this is just unreal - in all the yrs I have been on this board this is the first I have seen someone seek money so fast into a disappearance, usually if they do it's for donations for the reward! What upset me is when I read on the WSB board a member from her chruch was going to get people together and get care packages for her and the kids and she said no, she needed cash! Her actions are alittle off - and I feel anyone and everyone has a right to walk if they so feel the need to! I think Nancy and Greta don't feel comfortable covering this story anymore and Nancy had been sued for voicing her opinon on the Duckette case, so I can see why the media has backed off, it's to fishy. I also wish for his safe return and nothing bad has happen to him. JMOO [/*]

Hey Danette :seeya: no news

desmom

02-26-2008, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by omsk99
Can someone tell me where Christine posts on the Etsy website? I couldn't find it in the forums. TIA [/*]

http://www.etsy.com/forums_board.php?forum_id=7 Look for "Christine and Nicholas Francisco Thread".

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I've never met Christine or Nicholas, but I cringe also because some of it is just so unpleasant but if one thing one poster says might shed some light, its worth it. Some possible scenarios that could have happened I won't even let my mind entertain and I'm probably setting myself up for a big fall. Sorry to have taken you wrong [/*]

No.. I am sorry. I sometimes tend to say too much and my point gets lost in it all.. LOL Just too much "opinion" floating around in this head.

It was an ongoing theme in my writing classes in college.

I don't know Christine or Nicholas. I do know one of his co workers who cares very much about what the outcome of this situation is. He truly believes that something bad has happened. He doesn't think he would leave on his own. I trust his judgement. But.. I still hope he shows up and was just being a selfish jerk.

And.. I am a bit cynical about crime in Seattle. My ex works downtown.. and was robbed at gun point once... a gang put a knife to his throat and took his wallet. Our car was stolen down there. One time a bum tried to rob a man who was walking at night.. slit his throat and threw him down a flight of stairs.. where he laid and died.. outside my ex's building. He was the building engineer so his employees got to clean it up. There are drug addicts, bums and low lifes all over.. needles left laying around with blood on them. A woman was walking home and raped and killed in the corridor to her apt. Another woman was beat with a h ammer a couple of weeks ago. I could go on and on. It has gotten LOTS better over the last 10 years but it still isn't the greatest.

eta.. ok I did not intend for the hammer word to put the smilie.. sorry.. that was NOT appropriate AT ALL

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
NO, this case is far darker and nastier than it appears. [/*]

Lovely

omsk99

02-26-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by desmom

http://www.etsy.com/forums_board.php?forum_id=7 Look for "Christine and Nicholas Francisco Thread". [/*]

Thank you! :seeya:

huskiki

02-26-2008, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I even wondered what date that one website was started by him. You know, if he has his laptop and internet access, he could be holed up in a motel or even have rented an apartment and started a new life. And he could be using his skills to set up a website to do business right there from the apartment or motel room to generate money. It's possible....it crossed my mind when someone talked about what he'd do for money if he took off. Set up a website...set up a new Pay Pal account....and go to it! I think it'd be hard to track if he was using a different name. [/*]

The same thing crossed my mind Nellie. As long as he has his laptop he's all set. He could work anywhere.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

No.. I am sorry. I sometimes tend to say too much and my point gets lost in it all.. LOL Just too much "opinion" floating around in this head.

It was an ongoing theme in my writing classes in college.

I don't know Christine or Nicholas. I do know one of his co workers who cares very much about what the outcome of this situation is. He truly believes that something bad has happened. He doesn't think he would leave on his own. I trust his judgement. But.. I still hope he shows up and was just being a selfish jerk.

And.. I am a bit cynical about crime in Seattle. My ex works downtown.. and was robbed at gun point once... a gang put a knife to his throat and took his wallet. Our car was stolen down there. One time a bum tried to rob a man who was walking at night.. slit his throat and threw him down a flight of stairs.. where he laid and died.. outside my ex's building. He was the building engineer so his employees got to clean it up. There are drug addicts, bums and low lifes all over.. needles left laying around with blood on them. A woman was walking home and raped and killed in the corridor to her apt. Another woman was beat with a h ammer a couple of weeks ago. I could go on and on. It has gotten LOTS better over the last 10 years but it still isn't the greatest.

eta.. ok I did not intend for the hammer word to put the smilie.. sorry.. that was NOT appropriate AT ALL [/*]

LMAO sorry we needed some levity :)

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 06:22 PM

You know I was so mad when Jennifer Wilbanks pulled her stunt - made up all those stories and wasted time and resources, but I've made a promise to myself,that if Nicholas walks in the door no matter what has happened, I'll just be happy. I so want it for him and his family.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
I think that people who stage a disappearance and don't call and tell someone that they have left should pay for all the expenses incurred for their search.

Maybe that will stop some of these cases and save LE some $$$ [/*]

Oh I completely agree with that - reimbursement of funds and have to help with searches, do community service work, etc.

Danette44

02-26-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx
You know I was so mad when Jennifer Wilbanks pulled her stunt - made up all those stories and wasted time and resources, but I've made a promise to myself,that if Nicholas walks in the door no matter what has happened, I'll just be happy. I so want it for him and his family. [/*]

I could understand her getting cold feet about her wedding my gosh that was going to be one HUGE wedding, but what got her trouble and all was the fact she lied about what happen to her. She wouldn't have gotten community service and a big fine if she would of just said she got scared about the wedding. Her poor boyfriend was drilled, polygraph, and had to lawyer up. That was a very sad case for that man! I would be satisfied with just Christine to give a polygraph....... :biggrin:

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 06:44 PM

So a friend of mine just called to ask me about when a funeral service is for a friend of ours.
They used to live next to us, but moved to PA a couple years ago.
We live near a bunch of houses, city stuff, etc.....
But they moved out to the middle of nowhere.
She takes classes at night and she is on her way there right now.
I asked her how long it takes her to get there and back and said about 20 minutes or so.
I can't help but think of all these stories and stuff. I told her to be careful and to keep her cell phone charged. She said she always does, but it doesn't do much good cuz they are in the middle of nowhere and if she gets stuck somewhere she is pretty much screwed.
That scares the heck out of me! I woudln't want to leave my house!!!!! She is married and has little kids too.
Life is just scary sometimes........
ok just had to vent........

Nellie

02-26-2008, 06:45 PM

huskiki

02-26-2008, 06:47 PM

Hi guys, just caught up again.

In regards to Christine and other family members reading what is being posted here and on other blogs ...I have to say don't read. Get off the internet and find another way to help find Nicholas. Reading these boards isn't for everyone, even if they aren't related to a case. The ideas that people come up with here cover the entire spectrum and yes, some people will get offended.

If it were me and I knew someone who was missing I would come here just to get more ideas to help with the investigation. But then again, I understand where you guys are coming from. It's amazing how we can all read the same thing and come up with so many different scenarios. It's great!

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

I could understand her getting cold feet about her wedding my gosh that was going to be one HUGE wedding, but what got her trouble and all was the fact she lied about what happen to her. She wouldn't have gotten community service and a big fine if she would of just said she got scared about the wedding. Her poor boyfriend was drilled, polygraph, and had to lawyer up. That was a very sad case for that man! I would be satisfied with just Christine to give a polygraph....... :biggrin: [/*]

Mark Klaas always says he was only too happy to submit to a lie detector test - he wanted LE to quit looking at him and to start looking for the real criminal. If there were any type of impropriety going on, it sure would squelch the rumors circulating about.

huskiki

02-26-2008, 06:50 PM

soyesterday

02-26-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Lovely [/*]

To Beth or anyone that wants to answer me about it....:)
Since i'm new here i just wanted to ask...
are you a psychic?
is the stuff that you say exactly right?
i mean...is it a feeling? or more than a feeling? and do you like know exactly what has happened and just share a little bit here and there w/ us ?....
do you have to tell LE what you know or only if you're asked to?...
i'm totally just wondering.....cuz i don't know.....

Nellie

02-26-2008, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

That's how it should be. If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about. Clearing yourself asap is the best thing you can do so LE can focus on other leads. [/*]

I don't think there's any reason she needs cleared because she's not been suspected of anything.

IMO, if it was reversed....wife missing....the husband would have immediately been suspected of something. It would be questioned what he was doing in those 4 hours of waiting for her.
They would have search warrants for his computer. They would be questioning him more and maybe even ask him to take a lie detector test. JMO

huskiki

02-26-2008, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I don't think there's any reason she needs cleared because she's not been suspected of anything.

IMO, if it was reversed....wife missing....the husband would have immediately been suspected of something. It would be questioned what he was doing in those 4 hours of waiting for her.
They would have search warrants for his computer. They would be questioning him more and maybe even ask him to take a lie detector test. JMO [/*]

I'm sorry, I meant in cases where there is foul play suspected and the wife or husband or whomever is being looked at. Sometimes I know what I am thinking in my head but it doesn't all come out in type hammer

omsk99

02-26-2008, 07:22 PM

~snip

"Aside from the man's disappearance, police said, there was no evidence of a crime.

Police tried to use Francisco's cellphone to track him but discovered it had either been turned off or was dead.

Investigators then sought a search warrant to compel his cellphone carrier to release the man's phone records, but a judge refused to sign the warrant because there was no evidence of a crime, said sheriff's spokesman Sgt. John Urquhart. "Being missing is not a crime," Urquhart said.

Urquhart said privacy issues generally prevent cellphone carriers from releasing phone records without a search warrant.

Private negotiations with Francisco's cellphone company resulted in T-Mobile's "generous" offer to release the records voluntarily, according to his wife, Christine Francisco.

She said she turned the records over to detectives Friday."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004196637_francisco23m.html

Kamiron

02-26-2008, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by omsk99
MystryPhobia, I just find it odd that if someone did kidnap him, why would leave the car but take the laptop? It just wouldn't make any sense :shrug: [/*]

Maybe whoever took his car has the laptop. It could be that whoever had his car lives in the apartment complex and they were using it to get around.

Danette44

02-26-2008, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

Mark Klaas always says he was only too happy to submit to a lie detector test - he wanted LE to quit looking at him and to start looking for the real criminal. If there were any type of impropriety going on, it sure would squelch the rumors circulating about. [/*]

Thats how I feel, I read most of the post on SWB and I think I have posted once, but alot of people seem to think she got shafted! She is more worried about money, her looks, how she can't function.........which by the way there have been worst cases on here where a loved shouldn't of been able to function, but they get up and do it everyday til the end. Christine is all about "Christine", it seems she can'rt do anything without everyone doing it for her........oh except to get up off the couch for the next TV Interview. Why isn't more of all these donation going towards the Reward for her husband? I'm sorry if it seems I'm heartless, I'm far from that, but her actions speak louder than words to me......and thats just my opinon, sorry if I affended anyone here.

omsk99

02-26-2008, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by Kamiron

Maybe whoever took his car has the laptop. It could be that whoever had his car lives in the apartment complex and they were using it to get around. [/*]

That would be kind of dangerous, you don't think? I mean for a perp to leave the car at his building :shrug:

Kamiron

02-26-2008, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

That would be kind of dangerous, you don't think? I mean for a perp to leave the car at his building :shrug: [/*]

I know personally that criminals do that sort of thing. Also, some people will buy cars from criminals not knowing that the car is stolen. They will actually buy the car without the title or anything else. Go figure...

Also, criminals oftentimes will sell things like cell phones and laptops to separate individuals while selling the car to someone else. So, basically, they will sell whatever they can to whomever they can.

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I'm sorry, I meant in cases where there is foul play suspected and the wife or husband or whomever is being looked at. Sometimes I know what I am thinking in my head but it doesn't all come out in type hammer [/*]

Same here and then I try to edit and my time limit was expired :o

huskiki

02-26-2008, 08:01 PM

I found a new business link of Christine's, I don't think it's been posted here.

http://bellastyleannouncements.com/index2.php

http://en.dawanda.com/shop/BellaStyleBoutique

Let me say, I think it's her site. I haven't found her name on it yet but it looks like her type of product.

Make that 2.

bitsy555

02-26-2008, 08:01 PM

bitsy555

02-26-2008, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Thats how I feel, I read most of the post on SWB and I think I have posted once, but alot of people seem to think she got shafted! She is more worried about money, her looks, how she can't function.........which by the way there have been worst cases on here where a loved shouldn't of been able to function, but they get up and do it everyday til the end. Christine is all about "Christine", it seems she can'rt do anything without everyone doing it for her........oh except to get up off the couch for the next TV Interview. Why isn't more of all these donation going towards the Reward for her husband? I'm sorry if it seems I'm heartless, I'm far from that, but her actions speak louder than words to me......and thats just my opinon, sorry if I affended anyone here. [/*]

I think people would be more understanding of all the donations if they knew the money was going towards the reward or paying for a private investigator....things that would help find Nicholas.

Nellie

02-26-2008, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by bitsy555

Me too! I just want him to be safe and with his family. In the end that is all that matters. [/*]

I want him to be safe too. But it will depend on the story whether it's all that matters to me. If she's scammed anyone knowing he took off then it will matter.

Nellie

02-26-2008, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by bitsy555

I think people would be more understanding of all the donations if they knew the money was going towards the reward or paying for a private investigator....things that would help find Nicholas. [/*]

Exactly the point...not paying off bills.

bitsy555

02-26-2008, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I want him to be safe too. But it will depend on the story whether it's all that matters to me. If she's scammed anyone knowing he took off then it will matter. [/*]

Well that's true....that would matter!

omsk99

02-26-2008, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Exactly the point...not paying off bills. [/*]

ITA. I wonder how much in donations she /they have received, compared to the $15,000 reward (and I think PI is a great idea!)

huskiki

02-26-2008, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

ITA. I wonder how much in donations she /they have received, compared to the $15,000 reward (and I think PI is a great idea!) [/*]

I don't see how anyone would be able to track all the donation money because it's coming in from every direction.

bitsy555

02-26-2008, 08:31 PM

huskiki

02-26-2008, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by bitsy555

It sure looks like it. The 2nd one for sure. I find it a little odd that nothing has been mentioned before about these sites. [/*]

Odd indeed and neither say they're closed due to family emergency. Perhaps she doesn't maintain them all that well, she has so many.

Danette44

02-26-2008, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

ITA. I wonder how much in donations she /they have received, compared to the $15,000 reward (and I think PI is a great idea!) [/*]

I thought his boss put up the reward and also hired a PI? Someone on SWB says she is ranking in the money.......we will never know how much she actually gets......moo

omsk99

02-26-2008, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

I don't see how anyone would be able to track all the donation money because it's coming in from every direction. [/*]

Oh, I know - just wishful thinking :seeya:

I would also think this information is private, and the bank nor anyone else for that matter (if anyone else knows) would ever reveal it.

omsk99

02-26-2008, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

I thought his boss put up the reward and also hired a PI? Someone on SWB says she is ranking in the money.......we will never know how much she actually gets......moo [/*]

Thanks, I didn't know that. Really strange she is not upping the reward. Why are people/businesses contributing if it's not for the reward? Lots of people have had money troubles at some point or another :rolleyes:

Nellie

02-26-2008, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
I found a new business link of Christine's, I don't think it's been posted here.

http://bellastyleannouncements.com/index2.php

http://en.dawanda.com/shop/BellaStyleBoutique

Let me say, I think it's her site. I haven't found her name on it yet but it looks like her type of product.

Make that 2. [/*]

I don't believe the first one is her's. The contact person is named Donna.
For any other questions please feel free to contact us at donna@bellastyleannouncements.com

The other appears to be her, but if you read some of the comments, it appears it was going slow. So, maybe she doesn't sell from it anymore. I don't know. Seems she had more success at Etsy, so maybe this is one she started out at.

Nellie

02-26-2008, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Thanks, I didn't know that. Really strange she is not upping the reward. Why are people/businesses contributing if it's not for the reward? Lots of people have had money troubles at some point or another :rolleyes: [/*]

That's exactly what they're donating for omsk...that's what we find so strange. Within days of him missing, she was letting it be known that she was in deperate of money. She even said she had looked at Nicholas' pay pal account and found out he had shielded her from how bad the finances was. It wasn't an appeal for money for finding Nicholas. It was an appeal to help her out of their bad financial situation. That's why people became so suspicous. She says she has never asked for the money, but when you let it be known that you are in desperate need of money to a group that is eager to help you....then you are asking for it, imo.

huskiki

02-26-2008, 08:41 PM

Nellie

02-26-2008, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Oh, I know - just wishful thinking :seeya:

I would also think this information is private, and the bank nor anyone else for that matter (if anyone else knows) would ever reveal it. [/*]

I had some friends who had a daughter dying of cancer and a fund was set up for them at a bank. I am not sure, but I don't think it may have been somewhat controlled. I guess it would depend on how the account is set up.

But the Pay Pal account....I can't see that there would be any control over it....or accountability. Just tax-free money???? That's why I was kinda turned off that the first appeals were to put money in her Pay Pal account. The only one knowing how much money would go into it would be Christine.

Too much too soon....
She was surrounded by family and friends at her house...were they going to let her and the kids starve immediately?

I've never seen any appeal for money for posters, or the reward, or anything to do with finding Nicholas.

huskiki

02-26-2008, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

I don't believe the first one is her's. The contact person is named Donna.

The other appears to be her, but if you read some of the comments, it appears it was going slow. So, maybe she doesn't sell from it anymore. I don't know. Seems she had more success at Etsy, so maybe this is one she started out at. [/*]

Thanks Nellie,

I couldn't find the contact info because things were moving slow on my end. I saw that she didn't sell much from there. It could very well be that's where she started.

Nellie

02-26-2008, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hi omsk99 :seeya:

Can people donate directly to Christine's Pay Pal account? [/*]

Yes! That's exactly what was set up before the bank account got set up. They were and I think they still are sending money to the Pay Pal account. It was even told that if you are out of state it would be better to send it to the Pay Pal account because wiring it to the bank would cost too much.

bitsy555

02-26-2008, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hi omsk99 :seeya:

Can people donate directly to Christine's Pay Pal account? [/*]

It looks like they can according to this...

http://knitting.meetup.com/119/boards/thread/4257625
(hope this works)

omsk99

02-26-2008, 08:49 PM

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

Hi omsk99 :seeya:

Can people donate directly to Christine's Pay Pal account? [/*]

Here is the information...

MONEY DONATION:
In state: Donate at WAMU to the Nicholas Francisco Family Fund
Out of state/country: PAYPAL donations to:
bella @ bellastyleboutique.com (Paypal user name)
Wire transfers to the bank account are very expensive. Paypal fees are much lower.

omsk99

02-26-2008, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by bitsy555

It looks like they can according to this...

http://knitting.meetup.com/119/boards/thread/4257625
(hope this works) [/*]

Notice that most of the message is about money, and Nicholas is only mentioned once or twice...

RainyNiteNTx

02-26-2008, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

Yes! That's exactly what was set up before the bank account got set up. They were and I think they still are sending money to the Pay Pal account. It was even told that if you are out of state it would be better to send it to the Pay Pal account because wiring it to the bank would cost too much. [/*]

Nellie - I think you have been reading those comments - I'm going back through them and this will answer some of the questions we have had...these are comments from her....he is a victim of foul play, he would not have picked up a hitchhiker, they need money, he had given her the password to his computer and she remembered the password so she has checked his email - nothing there to indicate anything - look at their pictures - he would never leave them and they need money.

bitsy555

02-26-2008, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by Beth Engleman
Her lack of concern, the fact that she has not increased the reward or made much effort to help search for Nicholas shows she must know why he is missing.

A woman whose husband is missing would talk about the case, beg for information and demand answers. She would cry scream and tear things apart.... that is, if she really cared.

I think she knows he took off on her but doesn't want to admit it. This is why she is grabbing everything she can...... while she can. [/*]

I always felt she was hiding something during the interviews. That along with all of her other actions are telling me there is a whole lot more to this than we know.

bitsy555

02-26-2008, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Notice that most of the message is about money, and Nicholas is only mentioned once or twice... [/*]

It is! And sending things to the kids? I don't understand that.

omsk99

02-26-2008, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by bitsy555

It is! And sending things to the kids? I don't understand that. [/*]

Me neither, bitsy. What does it have to do with her kids needing things? They need their father, she should put more effort in that! Of course, I am not there watching how the family is dealing with situation, but she sue isn't shy to get the word out that needs money & things for the kids, not trying to be more subtle about it.

On Greta (I think it was Greta), when asked how they were doing financially, she said they were not rich but were not poor, just like everyone else, in the middle. Then why change her attitude now? :confused:

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by huskiki
I found a new business link of Christine's, I don't think it's been posted here.

http://bellastyleannouncements.com/index2.php

http://en.dawanda.com/shop/BellaStyleBoutique

Let me say, I think it's her site. I haven't found her name on it yet but it looks like her type of product.

Make that 2. [/*]

thanks huskiki

I don't think it is odd that she has her business on different venues. All the same products.. just different ways of getting there.

I also found this site.. not sure if it has been posted or not.

www.face-of-moon.net and www.franciscodesign.com.. they are also the exact same site... just different ways of getting there. Doesn't look like they update it often tho.

bitsy555

02-26-2008, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Me neither, bitsy. What does it have to do with her kids needing things? They need their father, she should put more effort in that! Of course, I am not there watching how the family is dealing with situation, but she sue isn't shy to get the word out that needs money & things for the kids, not trying to be more subtle about it.

On Greta (I think it was Greta), when asked how they were doing financially, she said they were not rich but were not poor, just like everyone else, in the middle. Then why change her attitude now? :confused: [/*]

I know...it is hard since we don't really know the financial situation...we don't know how the family and the kids are dealing with everything. But I don't understand why you would ask for care packages for the kids.

I wondered if she didn't say that about being just like everyone, because she was on tv. Maybe she was embarrassed..somewhat to be put on the spot and say yes we are broke. I don't know...just trying to make sense of it. :shrug: She hasn't been shy at other times in getting the word out though?

huskiki

02-26-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

thanks huskiki

I don't think it is odd that she has her business on different venues. All the same products.. just different ways of getting there.

I also found this site.. not sure if it has been posted or not.

www.face-of-moon.net and www.franciscodesign.com.. they are also the exact same site... just different ways of getting there. Doesn't look like they update it often tho. [/*]

It looks like the only site they really maintained was their Etsy shops.

Regardless of what we might think about this case one thing is clear, they are both talented people.

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by huskiki

It looks like the only site they really maintained was their Etsy shops.

Regardless of what we might think about this case one thing is clear, they are both talented people. [/*]

yes.. they are. And.. it just makes me think.. in his line of work and their lifestyle.. if he just left on his own then he will not be away from it for long.

I have to wonder if he doesn't have a wireless card for his laptop. They are pretty similar to a cell phone.. have a number and everything.. you just use it to get online. If he had one then it shouldn't be hard to trace that, if the laptop has been turned on at all.

As I stated earlier.. my laptop was stolen from my car. I had a verizon wireless card attached. I couldn't get them to work with me to find it but then I am not the police. One of the techs said that they could tho.. very easily. I didn't push it cause I had insurance on the laptop. I know that my teenagers both have cells on my plan and I can go online and see with 100 yards of where they are at any given time. My 19 yo says it is creepy but after reading so many of these stories.. makes perfect sense to me.

bitsy555

02-26-2008, 09:41 PM

huskiki

02-26-2008, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

yes.. they are. And.. it just makes me think.. in his line of work and their lifestyle.. if he just left on his own then he will not be away from it for long.

I have to wonder if he doesn't have a wireless card for his laptop. They are pretty similar to a cell phone.. have a number and everything.. you just use it to get online. If he had one then it shouldn't be hard to trace that, if the laptop has been turned on at all.

As I stated earlier.. my laptop was stolen from my car. I had a verizon wireless card attached. I couldn't get them to work with me to find it but then I am not the police. One of the techs said that they could tho.. very easily. I didn't push it cause I had insurance on the laptop. I know that my teenagers both have cells on my plan and I can go online and see with 100 yards of where they are at any given time. My 19 yo says it is creepy but after reading so many of these stories.. makes perfect sense to me. [/*]

I'm not sure how that all works. If it's his work laptop then it's probably a newer one and they have those things built in. Maybe they can get info from the IP address to track him down. He seem smart though so I'm not sure he's going to sign into his laptop through VPN. So many questions.

Track292003

02-26-2008, 09:58 PM

Does PayPal pay interest on funds that are held -- or passing through -- an account there? If so, is PayPal obligated to report interest income to the Federal government (IRS)?

I'm asking because a bank would have to report interest, if any, accruing on any account, to the government. Just curious.

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Track292003
Does PayPal pay interest on funds that are held -- or passing through -- an account there? If so, is PayPal obligated to report interest income to the Federal government (IRS)?

I'm asking because a bank would have to report interest, if any, accruing on any account, to the government. Just curious. [/*]

Pay Pal does not send any earnings reports to the IRS. They do provide the information for you to use to prepare taxes but they don't report.

I think I read somewhere that the federal government was trying to change that. But.. PayPal is not just a US thing.. it is used worldwide.

Danette44

02-26-2008, 10:08 PM

I have read so much that I forgot the answer to this question - someone help me out please. They brought dogs in - did they say if they track his scent anywhere near them condo's........or did the scent stop inside the car? Which would mean he was never in that area?? Anyone? Thank you in advance

desmom

02-26-2008, 10:11 PM

desmom

02-26-2008, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by Danette44
I have read so much that I forgot the answer to this question - someone help me out please. They brought dogs in - did they say if they track his scent anywhere near them condo's........or did the scent stop inside the car? Which would mean he was never in that area?? Anyone? Thank you in advance [/*]

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351948_missing20.html

Search dogs aided volunteers Tuesday at the condominiums, but Urquhart said their efforts "didn't tell us anything, one way or the other."

If the dogs did not pick up his scent, it could mean he left in another vehicle. Weather can also be a factor in dog tracking.

jmo

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by Danette44
I have read so much that I forgot the answer to this question - someone help me out please. They brought dogs in - did they say if they track his scent anywhere near them condo's........or did the scent stop inside the car? Which would mean he was never in that area?? Anyone? Thank you in advance [/*]

I heard the dogs got nothing while at the condos. They couldn't trace him or anyone from the scents in the car to anywhere around there.

I didn't read that on the news tho.. but I do since I heard that that I read it somewhere also. Not sure where tho.

They didn't get anything from his place of employment to the parking area either. :shrug:

Danette44

02-26-2008, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I heard the dogs got nothing while at the condos. They couldn't trace him or anyone from the scents in the car to anywhere around there.

I didn't read that on the news tho.. but I do since I heard that that I read it somewhere also. Not sure where tho.

They didn't get anything from his place of employment to the parking area either. :shrug: [/*]

Isn't that strange! I figured if they didn't pick it up at the condo's that perhaps he never was there or he left in a car, but still his scent would be in his car. Now that work area would be very alarming, he's in and out everyday there. I just talk to a friend in Washington and she said he was one of her customers, she does alot of the company's printing or coping, and he use to come in all the time. Now another guy from the company comes in and she said he is in poor shape - they feel he met with foul play, said he would never walk out on his family.

But, everything with Christine just points in a different direction..jmoo

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

IIRC the dogs didn't even find a scent in the car, which is so unusual to me. They didn't find a scent at his work either so maybe its just a personal type thing.

It was reported that he would have driven past his exit to his house and instead exited at the next one...going west instead of east. How ironic is that?

Seems to me that maybe he walked off....and the date is compelling. The night before Valentine's? hmmmm. [/*]

I think all that was said was the the Costco was off the freeway to the west.. his home was to the east. The South Center area is RIGHT OFF THE freeway tho.. he wouldn't have gone west except to go to the Costco.

Here is map of where he was and where he was suppose to be.. etc.

http://i25.tinypic.com/205y2y8.jpg

A is his work in Seattle.
* is the South Center area where he was stopping at Costco
C is SeaTac where he lived
D is Federal Way where his car was found.

These are not the exact addresses (except A) but gives you the general idea.

Also.. people have said that the sighting of him in Burien is close to where his car was found.. which places him in the area. You can see Burien on the map.. it pretty much connects to SeaTac to the north.. so, that report wasn't right.

You can also see on the map where South Center is.. it is basically right where * is on the map.. right in the corner where I 405 and I 5 come together right there is the mall area. It is many many city blocks right there of businesses and the main mall. So.. you can see if he was travelling south from Seattle to go home.. why he would have to go the west (of I 5 and his home) to go to the South Center Costco. He didn't necessarily head west.. just enough to get over to that side of the freeway.

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I think all that was said was the the Costco was off the freeway to the west.. his home was to the east. The South Center area is RIGHT OFF THE freeway tho.. he wouldn't have gone west except to go to the Costco.

Here is map of where he was and where he was suppose to be.. etc.

http://i25.tinypic.com/205y2y8.jpg

A is his work in Seattle.
* is the South Center area where he was stopping at Costco
C is SeaTac where he lived
D is Federal Way where his car was found.

These are not the exact addresses (except A) but gives you the general idea.

Also.. people have said that the sighting of him in Burien is close to where his car was found.. which places him in the area. You can see Burien on the map.. it pretty much connects to SeaTac to the north.. so, that report wasn't right.

You can also see on the map where South Center is.. it is basically right where * is on the map.. right in the corner where I 405 and I 5 come together right there is the mall area. It is many many city blocks right there of businesses and the main mall. So.. you can see if he was travelling south from Seattle to go home.. why he would have to go the west (of I 5 and his home) to go to the South Center Costco. He didn't necessarily head west.. just enough to get over to that side of the freeway. [/*]

Edited with new link.. something went wrong with the other..

http://i25.tinypic.com/2hporup.jpg

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner
Thanks for the link to the map...it does help put things in perspective. Still, he didn't go to Costco and in essense went past it...if he was driving the car at the time.

Do you think the LE are still actively investigating? If they suspected a hoax, do you think they would be checking that out? [/*]

True.. he didn't go there that we know of. Who knows if he didn't go there and something didn't happen in the parking lot tho??

But.. there was reports of someone seeing him in Burien.. so that places him pretty close to his home. I think the other sighting was in Tukwila.. it is I guess.. north east of the airport.

So.. I don't know.. none of it makes sense to me.

It definately is a mystery.

Nellie

02-26-2008, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Isn't that strange! I figured if they didn't pick it up at the condo's that perhaps he never was there or he left in a car, but still his scent would be in his car. Now that work area would be very alarming, he's in and out everyday there. I just talk to a friend in Washington and she said he was one of her customers, she does alot of the company's printing or coping, and he use to come in all the time. Now another guy from the company comes in and she said he is in poor shape - they feel he met with foul play, said he would never walk out on his family.

But, everything with Christine just points in a different direction..jmoo [/*]

All these people who keep adamantly saying that he would NEVER walk out on his family......seem to be his friends. I wonder if they knew Christine very well or had ever met her. Just curious.

No one can really KNOW what another would do. They can say it would be out of character of him, but can't say NEVER. Everyone just wants to jump to foul play with no evidence of that so quickly. I'll admit that it's a strong possibility...but so is him walking away.

I wonder just how much they knew about his wife and their marriage. Did they know his finances were in such dire straights?

desmom

02-26-2008, 11:25 PM

MystryPhobia, thank you for the map. It sure helps those not familiar with the area.

What is the area like around Federal Way? Apartment/Condos? Strip Malls? Office Complexes? Car Rental Agency? TIA

I wonder if LE checked out the city bus line or taxi companies.

isitme

02-26-2008, 11:34 PM

Ok let's try this on for size - - -

Since apparently the dogs didn't find anything, and from some reports not even in the car, nobody SAW him get into his car at work - - - then perhaps he planned to leave and handed over the keys to his car to someone. Telling that person that they could use it, or keep it. He walks beyond the car and catches a ride with someone, or takes public transportation to somewhere.

So with that the car winds up at the condo, moved a few times because it is being used. The person using it doesn't own it so they may not want to say anything when the police surround the area (could have even been the guy that reported the car being parked there).

In the mean time Nicholas is somewhere else with his phone and laptop. Or he is somewhere else and ditched both the phone and laptop if he is starting a new life would he need to keep them and run the risk of using them and being tracked?

So, what am I missing?

As for his wife . . . from what I have seen and read . . . oh, nevermind. . .

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by desmom
MystryPhobia, thank you for the map. It sure helps those not familiar with the area.

What is the area like around Federal Way? Apartment/Condos? Strip Malls? Office Complexes? Car Rental Agency? TIA

I wonder if LE checked out the city bus line or taxi companies. [/*]

To tell you the truth desmom.. I don't know that much about Federal Way. I have only been there a couple of times and that was just on my way to somewhere else.

I would say it is your normal every day city of about 100,000. (that is just a guess) I am really not sure about the business structures.

I do know.. I lived in Kent and Renton area as a teenager and then went to college in Tukwila/Burien area as a young adult. Alot of the area was industrial back then. That has probably changed alot now with all of the growth.

Nellie

02-26-2008, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by sherryhefner
I still don't understand why money was needed so quickly after the disappearance. It seems he had family and probably she does too. With so many family members coming over and helping with the children, etc., why would she need money right away?

I would say if they were church members for any length of time at all then they also have church friends. Our church helps out any time there is a tragedy....if a member's house burns or someone gets sick, etc. We help out with meals and contributions etc. The money issue makes absolutely no sense at all to me...at least not the timing of it.

I've also noticed on some of her online places that she states she is the stay-at-home mom of three. While that may be technically true, she really has two children with one on the way. The casual way she mentioned the three children made me feel strange--I mean the baby isn't due for 8 more months. [/*]

The timing of the fund raising is what is so supsicious, imo.
She says at the Etsy group that her house is full of people...friends and family. So, I'm like you....why the urgency for money, money, money. That's the part of this story that really made me suspicious. It seems like Nicholas was very well loved and now she has everyone everywhere raising money for her and the kids.

I just spoke with Christine's sister and she said that financial support is desperately needed. Finances were tight before this and now they're in somewhat of a crisis.

That was posted on Etsy 4 days after he went missing. Now if that's not an appeal for money, then what was it? :shrug:

Nellie

02-26-2008, 11:39 PM

This was on Etsy too and kinda bothered me....
I'm not sure why she wouldn't attend....she didn't explain. But it was in the middle of her talking about her Greta interview, so maybe the vigil was held at the same time she did the Greta interveiw???? I'm hoping that's it and not that she just chose not to attend.

there is also a local prayer vigil tonight but i'm not attending.

Posted at 8:08 pm, February 20 2008 EST

Christine, I wouldn't think people would expect you to be at the prayer vigil. You have enough on your plate with being there for your children. The prayer vigil will support you and give people a way to feel they are making a contribution to the effort to find your precious Nicholas. Stay strong and please take care of yourself! God loves you!
Posted at 8:18 pm, February 20 2008 EST

Nellie

02-26-2008, 11:41 PM

Why say this???

okay so if that interview had been one second longer you all would have seen me just absolutely break down. I was such a mess i had to be escorted back to the green room.

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by Danette44

Isn't that strange! I figured if they didn't pick it up at the condo's that perhaps he never was there or he left in a car, but still his scent would be in his car. Now that work area would be very alarming, he's in and out everyday there. I just talk to a friend in Washington and she said he was one of her customers, she does alot of the company's printing or coping, and he use to come in all the time. Now another guy from the company comes in and she said he is in poor shape - they feel he met with foul play, said he would never walk out on his family.

But, everything with Christine just points in a different direction..jmoo [/*]

That is exactly what I am getting from the friend that I know.. that knows Nicholas.

I don't know what to make of it.

I mean.. I know that we on here on skeptics because we have seen it before.. but we also can't discount that the people that know him best are saying he absolutely would not do this. Yes.. we have to look at it for what it is, based on who is saying it but can't discount it all together.

And.. I am not sure if it was you or Nellie that asked me this but yes.. my friend knew them both. He is obviously closer Nick because they work together but did know Christine and does not feel the same way that many on here do about her.

desmom

02-26-2008, 11:42 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

To tell you the truth desmom.. I don't know that much about Federal Way. I have only been there a couple of times and that was just on my way to somewhere else.

I would say it is your normal every day city of about 100,000. (that is just a guess) I am really not sure about the business structures.

I do know.. I lived in Kent and Renton area as a teenager and then went to college in Tukwila/Burien area as a young adult. Alot of the area was industrial back then. That has probably changed alot now with all of the growth. [/*]

Thanks.

Nellie

02-26-2008, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by isitme
Ok let's try this on for size - - -

Since apparently the dogs didn't find anything, and from some reports not even in the car, nobody SAW him get into his car at work - - - then perhaps he planned to leave and handed over the keys to his car to someone. Telling that person that they could use it, or keep it. He walks beyond the car and catches a ride with someone, or takes public transportation to somewhere.

So with that the car winds up at the condo, moved a few times because it is being used. The person using it doesn't own it so they may not want to say anything when the police surround the area (could have even been the guy that reported the car being parked there).

In the mean time Nicholas is somewhere else with his phone and laptop. Or he is somewhere else and ditched both the phone and laptop if he is starting a new life would he need to keep them and run the risk of using them and being tracked?

So, what am I missing?

As for his wife . . . from what I have seen and read . . . oh, nevermind. . . [/*]

What if he DID make it home that night? No one really knows that he didn't. Maybe something happened after that? Do they have neighbors? Did LE ask the neighbors when the last time they saw him or his car at the house? It may seem unfair to question this, but if this was a wife missing we'd sure be questioning it. Wouldn't we?

Nellie

02-26-2008, 11:46 PM

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

The timing of the fund raising is what is so supsicious, imo.
She says at the Etsy group that her house is full of people...friends and family. So, I'm like you....why the urgency for money, money, money. That's the part of this story that really made me suspicious. It seems like Nicholas was very well loved and now she has everyone everywhere raising money for her and the kids.

That was posted on Etsy 4 days after he went missing. Now if that's not an appeal for money, then what was it? :shrug: [/*]

I understand that many are disturbed by the asking for money. It isn't a huge red flag for me for some reason. I am not sure why.

I just wonder if in the hours after her husband didn't come home and everyone is saying.. something may have happened to him.. maybe he ran off.. she didn't say.. OMG what am I going to do without him? We have two children, bills to pay, pregnancy expenses, living expenses and very little income. If her sister took that info and let someone know that THAT would relieve some of the pressure she was feeling right now.. and people wanted to help.. then I don't see anything wrong with it.

From what we know.. she is a victim, as well as the children. Until proven otherwise then I don't see anything wrong with people helping them.

isitme

02-26-2008, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

What if he DID make it home that night? No one really knows that he didn't. Maybe something happened after that? Do they have neighbors? Did LE ask the neighbors when the last time they saw him or his car at the house? It may seem unfair to question this, but if this was a wife missing we'd sure be questioning it. Wouldn't we? [/*]

Yep, I thought of that as well. He could have come home, with sugar in hand and who knows what happened after that. But then the car would need to be moved to the condo complex by someone . . .

Interesting . . .must think this one trough a bit more . . .

MystryPhobia

02-26-2008, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by Nellie

We may be totally wrong about her.
How does your friend feel about all of the fund raising and how quickly it started? That was my first red flag. [/*]

Hasn't been mentioned and I have to wonder if that isn't a blog thing.

I don't think anyone would think it odd that they started a fund to help her. I don't know that anyone knew it was happening so quickly.

We have seen it play out on the blogs tho so we have a different perspective... if you know what I mean? I doubt any of them are going to the etsy site.

Nellie

02-26-2008, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

I understand that many are disturbed by the asking for money. It isn't a huge red flag for me for some reason. I am not sure why.

I just wonder if in the hours after her husband didn't come home and everyone is saying.. something may have happened to him.. maybe he ran off.. she didn't say.. OMG what am I going to do without him? We have two children, bills to pay, pregnancy expenses, living expenses and very little income. If her sister took that info and let someone know that THAT would relieve some of the pressure she was feeling right now.. and people wanted to help.. then I don't see anything wrong with it.

From what we know.. she is a victim, as well as the children. Until proven otherwise then I don't see anything wrong with people helping them. [/*]

I don't see anything wrong with people helping them either.
But, it doesn't set right with me to be appealing for money as soon as your husband goes missing. But, I'm probably a skeptic since I've witnessed several scenarios like this in the past on internet groups of women.

She doesn't think he left her, so she wouldn't be thinking that way. But even if she did think, "oh, what if he never comes back....how will I pay the bills, etc.", surely there would be some family member who would reassure her that things were going to be ok. Not just jump at setting up a fund not knowing how long he would be missing. I just don't think the need was for immediate expenses.....it seemed like the need was for expenses already incurred.

I just spoke with Christine's sister and she said that financial support is desperately needed. Finances were tight before this and now they're in somewhat of a crisis.

They were in a financial crisis as soon as he left and I just find that so strange. What were they going to do about this crisis BEFORE he left???

Nellie

02-26-2008, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Hasn't been mentioned and I have to wonder if that isn't a blog thing.

I don't think anyone would think it odd that they started a fund to help her. I don't know that anyone knew it was happening so quickly.

We have seen it play out on the blogs tho so we have a different perspective... if you know what I mean? I doubt any of them are going to the etsy site. [/*]

Exactly. Which makes me wonder....do her "real life family and friends" realize how much money she is gleaning from the internet? They are receiving donations locally. But did they know it was already started online just a few days after he left? Would local people helping out have a different perspective too if they saw the online stuff? Makes me wonder....

It just seems the appeal for money is being put out all over the place.

Nellie

02-27-2008, 12:01 AM

Just to add....
I've seen more appeals for money than appeals for him to come home or for anyone responsible to please, please let him go.

MystryPhobia

02-27-2008, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

I don't see anything wrong with people helping them either.
But, it doesn't set right with me to be appealing for money as soon as your husband goes missing. But, I'm probably a skeptic since I've witnessed several scenarios like this in the past on internet groups of women.

She doesn't think he left her, so she wouldn't be thinking that way. But even if she did think, "oh, what if he never comes back....how will I pay the bills, etc.", surely there would be some family member who would reassure her that things were going to be ok. Not just jump at setting up a fund not knowing how long he would be missing. I just don't think the need was for immediate expenses.....it seemed like the need was for expenses already incurred.

They were in a financial crisis as soon as he left and I just find that so strange. What were they going to do about this crisis BEFORE he left??? [/*]

OK.. I get where you are coming from and totally agree. When you look at it like that you do have go hmmmm.

But.. you have to wonder what kind of financial crises they were. It doesn't look they were living that well.. so, you would think that it was well within their means.

I don't know what Nicholas makes but I would bet that he is paid pretty well.

Was there something else going on that was the financial burden? Cause I just don't see it. I am a single mom raising 4 sons.. talk about financial crises. Not getting one paycheck would send me over the edge.

desmom

02-27-2008, 12:07 AM

I found an Enterprise Rent-a-car a mile from the Heritage Condos. If he left his car at Enterprise, someone might notice the car in the parking lot. If he leaves it in an condo lot, he may have a 2-3 day head start before anyone notices the car.

Nellie

02-27-2008, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by sherryhefner
I think anytime something "unusual" happens, it raises suspicions. How often have we seen someone "disappear?" Often enough...but we don't see the families receiving money and gifts immediately. We have seen people raise money for rewards or private investigators...but not for gift cards or presents for the kids.

It is possible that this financial crisis may be the very reason the husband did not return home. Perhaps there was pressure the wife was not aware of. My son disappeared for 3 days and we were in shock. This behavior was "not at all in his character." We were terrified, and rightly so. Fortunately, with LE help, we did locate him and bring him home. So sometimes people with pressure act out of character.

While it is possible something like foul play occured, it seems like there would be some clues. [/*]

I agree sherry. People just can't really know what someone may do or what pressures they are under. It's just not an impossibility that he took off. I think it's more likely than foul play, but I'm not ruling out foul play either.

About the panic over money....it seems like there was more a panic about the money than her husband. When it comes to her husband she can just calmly say God will reveal where Nicholas is in His perfect timing and she'll rely on God to bring him home. So, I find it odd that she'd be so panicked over money and not rely on God for that. These are the kinds of things that make me go hmmm...

you are all so sweet. I appreciate all that you have done and how hard you are all working from afar to find my love. at this time i would like to rely just on God to bring my husband home. God knows right where he is and it is up to Him to reveal it and He will in his perfect timing.

MystryPhobia

02-27-2008, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by desmom
I found an Enterprise Rent-a-car a mile from the Heritage Condos. If he left his car at Enterprise, someone might notice the car in the parking lot. If he leaves it in an condo lot, he may have a 2-3 day head start before anyone notices the car. [/*]

That is interesting! That isn't very far.

Who would have moved it tho? That is what needs to be figured out by LE.

I wonder if they have checked the car for any one elses prints etc.? I haven't heard anything about that.

Nellie

02-27-2008, 12:14 AM

Nellie

02-27-2008, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

Do you think he would use debit or credit cards to get the car? How about ID? Its a great thought though.

If he walked away, you have to think that maybe he had been planning it for a bit. [/*]

It is a great thought! Maybe he used cash.....taken from his Pay Pal account...and she saw the withdrawal and that's when she panicked about money.

Nellie

02-27-2008, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

That is interesting! That isn't very far.

Who would have moved it tho? That is what needs to be figured out by LE.

I wonder if they have checked the car for any one elses prints etc.? I haven't heard anything about that. [/*]

Hey Mystry, just curious. Have you told your friend about this board and the theories people come up with here? LOL...just wondering.

Danette44

02-27-2008, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

That is exactly what I am getting from the friend that I know.. that knows Nicholas.

I don't know what to make of it.

I mean.. I know that we on here on skeptics because we have seen it before.. but we also can't discount that the people that know him best are saying he absolutely would not do this. Yes.. we have to look at it for what it is, based on who is saying it but can't discount it all together.

And.. I am not sure if it was you or Nellie that asked me this but yes.. my friend knew them both. He is obviously closer Nick because they work together but did know Christine and does not feel the same way that many on here do about her. [/*]

No she has never met Christine - he comesin a couple times a week for stuff to be printed or copy, she said his friends name but I'm sorry I forgot it. His freind is besidehimself, she hasn;t heard anything about the dog search or anything, so alot has seen his picture but nothing else is being said. She said they wonder if someone was in the back seat of his car when he got in, but Christina said he parks in front on the street.

So, lets see, he was seen at a gas station - do you think he was there being forced to take money out of ATM and that could be the account Christine got a surprise on? But then ATM would have his picture on it. It's not like he was a well over dress business man all dressed uo and in a new car. I hate to even ask this, but is there water close by or woods to hide him in? It's apparent he doesn't have his car keys if someone was moving it every few days...........right? We're not even any closer than the first day he went missing, except for his wife's money digging. JMO

shelkobe

02-27-2008, 12:23 AM

Was the car really moved or were people who thought it was in different parking spots just mistaken?

There was a recent case, can't remember which one, where a missing person's car was found in a lot and the trooper or national park policeman said the car must have been parked there on a certain day between certain hours based on when he remembered seeing it. This was the day after the person went missing. But the family pleaded for other vacationers to show them any pictures they took of the facility, and as it turned out, one of them had a photo that showed the car was indeed in the parking lot the day before the trooper said it was . The trooper didn't do anything intentional, but his memory was wrong.

I'm not sure I believe as gospel that the car was moved around in the lot.

desmom

02-27-2008, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

That is interesting! That isn't very far.

Who would have moved it tho? That is what needs to be figured out by LE.

I wonder if they have checked the car for any one elses prints etc.? I haven't heard anything about that. [/*]

Maybe he did. Maybe he wanted to just take a break and camped out with a friend for a couple of days. The next thing he sees are the news reports and:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351811_missing19.html?source=mypi
We are his life, we are the center of his life," she said.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351765_missingman18ww.html
"If you can't find him, these kids won't have a daddy then," Christine said in an interview, breaking into tears. "This unborn baby won't have a daddy."

Plus all the internet posts re the finances and says the heck with it and walks...

desmom

02-27-2008, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

I think that in order to rent a car, you must submit a form full of info like address, license, etc. and you must give a card of some kind...either debit or credit. Similar to staying a most hotels...
I was wondering if he would fill out all of his information if he was walking away....plus, there has been no use of any cards. However, if he used cash to pay, then the card number would not be used but just kept on file in case the car was not returned, etc. [/*]

If this was something planned, he could have had a cc sent to him at his office.

MystryPhobia

02-27-2008, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

Hey Mystry, just curious. Have you told your friend about this board and the theories people come up with here? LOL...just wondering. [/*]

He knows that I am a true crime freak so he asked me about it.

So.. yeah he knows but I doubt he has come here. He has never understood the fascination. Probably better that he not too cause he would probably not take it well.

MystryPhobia

02-27-2008, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by shelkobe
Was the car really moved or were people who thought it was in different parking spots just mistaken?

There was a recent case, can't remember which one, where a missing person's car was found in a lot and the trooper or national park policeman said the car must have been parked there on a certain day between certain hours based on when he remembered seeing it. This was the day after the person went missing. But the family pleaded for other vacationers to show them any pictures they took of the facility, and as it turned out, one of them had a photo that showed the car was indeed in the parking lot the day before the trooper said it was . The trooper didn't do anything intentional, but his memory was wrong.

I'm not sure I believe as gospel that the car was moved around in the lot. [/*]

I think that it is pretty credible as the persons that said it were the owners of the spot where it was parked and were quite annoyed with it being in their spot. They just weren't positive about what day it was there.. they thought Saturday but said it could have been Friday evening.

shelkobe

02-27-2008, 12:54 AM

Hmmm, assigned parking, that does change the likelihood of someone being mistaken.

Nellie

02-27-2008, 12:57 AM

Here's another odd comment from Christine from the Etsy board.
She screams that Nicholas would not run off, but then says that if he would, he'd come back and get them and they'd all run away together. So, she's not adamant that he wouldn't run away from their problems....just that he would take them with him. I find that interesting. Could they have discussed running away together from their financial situation at some time? Seems the running away wouldn't bother her, just him running away alone...without her.

I am so sick and tired of everyone asking me or blogging that they think Nicholas ran off on me. it is so frustrating and their heads are so stubborn. they just wont listen when i tell them that it is impossible that he would leave us. if he was going to run away he'd come and get us and we'd go together.

Or....maybe it's just an angry person talking.

Nellie

02-27-2008, 12:58 AM

kaylynn

02-27-2008, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

It is a great thought! Maybe he used cash.....taken from his Pay Pal account...and she saw the withdrawal and that's when she panicked about money. [/*]

I agree, it's a great idea. I just wonder how he rented it without an ID, or, if he did use an ID, why did the employees at the rent-a-car place not contact authorities and say "yeah, this guy rented a car from us.." you know? Why is no one coming forward?
Unless they did, and LE is not releasing it..:shrug:

isitme

02-27-2008, 01:13 AM

I think he ran away and this is how I think he ditched the car:

Since apparently the dogs didn't find anything, and from some reports not even in the car, nobody SAW him get into his car at work - - - then perhaps he planned to leave and handed over the keys to his car to someone. Telling that person that they could use it, or keep it. He walks beyond the car and catches a ride with someone, or takes public transportation to somewhere.

So with that the car winds up at the condo, moved a few times because it is being used. The person using it doesn't own it so they may not want to say anything when the police surround the area (could have even been the guy that reported the car being parked there).

In the mean time Nicholas is somewhere else with his phone and laptop. Or he is somewhere else and ditched both the phone and laptop if he is starting a new life would he need to keep them and run the risk of using them and being tracked?

Nellie

02-27-2008, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by sherryhefner

Yep that's my feeling too.

And about Christine's anger...I think she takes people's assessment that he has run away as being against her, but its not necessarily. Sometimes people are overwhelmed with life's circumstances.

I still wouldn't be surprised to find that she was in on it. This would explain her insistance that he would not leave her or his family and that if he would run away, he would take her.

The quick need for money makes me think its a ploy. If they were in financial distress, maybe this was a way to get money.
Of course, all of this is just a guess... [/*]

Well, if it was known that he just ditched his wife and kids and took off......would people be donating so much money? Probably not. So, maybe that's why she is so insistant that he didn't take off. People will have more sympathy if foul play happened, don't you think?

And like you....I also think she seems offended at the mere mention that he would leave her. It's like it would crush this "perfect fairy tale" in her head. Now, maybe he wouldn't leave her, but she really gets mad at anyone who would even think it. I just think she protests too much to total strangers.

Well, it sounded like he finances were in shambles BEFORE he left.....so what would they have done if he hadn't dissappeared? It's just strange that there was such a panic over the finances that really didn't change over night. One thing about it, if he did just run off and returns...his finances will be in better shape than when he left.

Nellie

02-27-2008, 01:32 AM

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MystryPhobia

02-27-2008, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by isitme
I think he ran away and this is how I think he ditched the car:

Since apparently the dogs didn't find anything, and from some reports not even in the car, nobody SAW him get into his car at work - - - then perhaps he planned to leave and handed over the keys to his car to someone. Telling that person that they could use it, or keep it. He walks beyond the car and catches a ride with someone, or takes public transportation to somewhere.

So with that the car winds up at the condo, moved a few times because it is being used. The person using it doesn't own it so they may not want to say anything when the police surround the area (could have even been the guy that reported the car being parked there).

In the mean time Nicholas is somewhere else with his phone and laptop. Or he is somewhere else and ditched both the phone and laptop if he is starting a new life would he need to keep them and run the risk of using them and being tracked? [/*]

Plausible.. I just don't think so.

I even checked both of these people's criminal history. Neither of them have even had a traffice ticket.. NOTHING.

Now we are suppose to believe that they planned this huge elaborate scheme to get money from unsuspecting people? That they left no trace of it, at all?

I am sorry.. I respectfully say.. I just don't buy it.

MystryPhobia

02-27-2008, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by sherryhefner
I think it helps so much when LE gives the public more information...I know that sometimes its not wise but in the case of a missing person, the more exposure a case gets, then the more likely it is to find something that leads to the answer.

Why do you think LE is not openly pursuing this case? [/*]

Can you post a link to where it states that LE is not openly pursuing this case?

I don't think you will find one since they were on the news, as recently as this morning asking for the publics help with leads in the disappearance.

homecrafter

02-27-2008, 01:52 AM

HI All. I've been following this thread and the disappearance of Nicholas since it all started and thought I should finally jump in here. Someone wrote on their blog saying that tracing Nicholas' computer would be next to impossible...which is discouraging.

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/

I'm still not sure what I think happened to Nicholas. Here are my thoughts...not in any particular order.

-- If Nicholas was going to get sugar on the way home, why bother with Cosco...that store is a madhouse....at least the ones I've been too. If it were me, I would have forgotten about Cosco and gone to a grocer. Not that that helps anything.

-- Being another Etsy seller (I'm not promoting here) and witnessing all the threads about the case, I do know that Christine never initially asked for money but as you all are aware, kind-hearted sellers began contributing to her Paypal acct, local sellers (near Seattle) participated in searches, posted on blogs, started prayer circles, etc. However, I do think it's strange that she is allowing all the contributions to continue or not telling everyone where the contributions are going (reward money, to print fliers, feed children). What has really turned me off is that the situation seemed to be used a marketing ploy for several sellers. -- But please remember that Etsy is made up of ~80,000 sellers...we aren't all involved in this or comments made in other forums.

-- I'm stuck on the line that he was going to 'sign off on something first'. Were they refinancing perhaps? Or was on his way to get something nice for Christine on Valentine's Day and told a little white lie to let her know he'd be late and offer some kind of understandable excuse? What else could he sign off on? If it were something for his company (as someone posted before), I would hope that his office would have acknowledged that.

I really don't get that they would join together and scam everyone. I mean there is too much to lose in the long run and little to gain. These seem like creative, intelligent people.

You all have provided lots to think about in your posts. I'm glad I found you as everyones post is civil, thoughtful and some intriguing...with no mudslinging.

Lets all hope Nicholas is found safe.

Nellie

02-27-2008, 02:32 AM

Originally posted by homecrafter
HI All. I've been following this thread and the disappearance of Nicholas since it all started and thought I should finally jump in here. Someone wrote on their blog saying that tracing Nicholas' computer would be next to impossible...which is discouraging.

http://nicholasfrancisco.blogspot.com/

I'm still not sure what I think happened to Nicholas. Here are my thoughts...not in any particular order.

-- If Nicholas was going to get sugar on the way home, why bother with Cosco...that store is a madhouse....at least the ones I've been too. If it were me, I would have forgotten about Cosco and gone to a grocer. Not that that helps anything.

-- Being another Etsy seller (I'm not promoting here) and witnessing all the threads about the case, I do know that Christine never initially asked for money but as you all are aware, kind-hearted sellers began contributing to her Paypal acct, local sellers (near Seattle) participated in searches, posted on blogs, started prayer circles, etc. However, I do think it's strange that she is allowing all the contributions to continue or not telling everyone where the contributions are going (reward money, to print fliers, feed children). What has really turned me off is that the situation seemed to be used a marketing ploy for several sellers. -- But please remember that Etsy is made up of ~80,000 sellers...we aren't all involved in this or comments made in other forums.

-- I'm stuck on the line that he was going to 'sign off on something first'. Were they refinancing perhaps? Or was on his way to get something nice for Christine on Valentine's Day and told a little white lie to let her know he'd be late and offer some kind of understandable excuse? What else could he sign off on? If it were something for his company (as someone posted before), I would hope that his office would have acknowledged that.

I really don't get that they would join together and scam everyone. I mean there is too much to lose in the long run and little to gain. These seem like creative, intelligent people.

You all have provided lots to think about in your posts. I'm glad I found you as everyones post is civil, thoughtful and some intriguing...with no mudslinging.

Lets all hope Nicholas is found safe. [/*]

Welcome homecrafter. Yes, we truly do hope Nicholas is found safe. The longer this goes on the more worried I get about him. I still have it in my mind that he took off.....but it seems like he'd let his family know after seeing all of this news about him. Who knows though....it happens.

Sometimes, to be honest, I get to feeling guilty for my speculation about some things. I get caught up in trying to solve a mystery, but there are real live people behind this mystery and I know some scenarios can be very hurtful if they read them. Then I feel bad.

As for saying that Etsy members are the ones who started the fund raising for Christine....I can believe that. BUT, I see it a bit differently too. I don't think she minds the fund raising and has as a matter of fact encouraged it through others with the constant pleas that they had been told she was in desperate need for money. She even fueled this with her comment about looking at his pay pal account and seeing something that told her he had shielded her from how bad the finances were. Then there was the message that their finances were bad before he went missing, but were in crisis now. No one would know these things had Christine not put that word out.....if she hadn't told anyone. So, imo, she helped spread the word that money was needed, so the fund raising grew and grew. That's why I feel that she is behind some of this fund raising. JMO though. Just seems she fueled it and encouraged it and certainly isn't saying enough!

It's not so much the fund raising but the timing of the fund raising....before they even knew what was really going on. It was too immediate to put the word out that you are broke and in need of money.

Glad to see you join us!

homecrafter

02-27-2008, 02:46 AM

I don't think she minds the fund raising and has as a matter of fact encouraged it through others with the constant pleas that they had been told she was in desperate need for money. She even fueled this with her comment about looking at his pay pal account and seeing something that told her he had shielded her from how bad the finances were. Then there was the message that their finances were bad before he went missing, but were in crisis now. No one would know these things had Christine not put that word out.....if she hadn't told anyone. So, imo, she helped spread the word that money was needed, so the fund raising grew and grew. That's why I feel that she is behind some of this fund raising. JMO though. Just seems she fueled it and encouraged it and certainly isn't saying enough!

Thanks for the welcome. I agree with you wholeheartedly Nellie. It is really weird how it all transpired. I saw the fund raising for Dawn's Boys and that didn't seem as weird as this is. I still don't feel that this whole scenario of Nicholas' disappearance initially started as a scam though. But I do think that she may be taking advantage of the situation.

I was just reading on the West Seattle blog and an ad exec mentioned that 'signing off on something' was actually something ad folks do every day. That means they are approving an ad and it is normal occurrance before the close of business and it should not be considered suspicious.

Nellie

02-27-2008, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by homecrafter

Thanks for the welcome. I agree with you wholeheartedly Nellie. It is really weird how it all transpired. I saw the fund raising for Dawn's Boys and that didn't seem as weird as this is. I still don't feel that this whole scenario of Nicholas' disappearance initially started as a scam though. But I do think that she may be taking advantage of the situation.

I was just reading on the West Seattle blog and an ad exec mentioned that 'signing off on something' was actually something ad folks do every day. That means they are approving an ad and it is normal occurrance before the close of business and it should not be considered suspicious. [/*]

I can agree with that....that she is taking advantage of the generosity rather than it beginning as a scam. I've seen it happen before in groups and I've seen the same kind of manipulation. They let a select few know of their needs/wants and then those select few relay the need to the group....then they can say they never asked for it. I've seen worse than this...but it's all so familiar. Gift cards, packages for the kids, restaurant meals. How crazy to even offer to buy the kids clothes. What happened to their clothing the day daddy went missing? :confused: Next they'll want to offer them a vacation to take their minds off of everything....or her a day at the spa to pamper herself. It wouldn't surprise me. They mean well, but they go overboard and to be honest even get a little silly.

She could ask that they stop with the fund raising, but quite honestly, I don't think she wants to. Heck, this has turned out to be more about Christine than Nicholas. She seems to be more of a victim than him.

homecrafter

02-27-2008, 03:00 AM

I totally agree with that Nelli.

Curiouser

02-27-2008, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

Can you post a link to where it states that LE is not openly pursuing this case?

I don't think you will find one since they were on the news, as recently as this morning asking for the publics help with leads in the disappearance. [/*]

This was stated on the America's Most Wanted site:

Sgt. Urquhart said, "There is no next step other than to investigate sightings and to look into his background. At this point, we're relying heavily on the public's help."

MystryPhobia

02-27-2008, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by Curiouser

This was stated on the America's Most Wanted site:

Sgt. Urquhart said, "There is no next step other than to investigate sightings and to look into his background. At this point, we're relying heavily on the public's help." [/*]

I don't see how that is them not investigating.. pretty much what I heard on the news this morning when they were talking about AMW featuring him.

Danette44

02-27-2008, 07:13 AM

Good Morning Everyone

I worry about them finding him "dead", also, in reality we don't have a great time frame for him.......we know he left work alittle after 6pm, but his car wasn't found til 3 days later. If someone had kidnapped him, I would think we would of found him by now, is there lakes or rivers close by? If there is no scent of him in his car - then someone really did a great job of wiping it clean.....but what baffles me is there is no scent around his work either....

RainyNiteNTx

02-27-2008, 07:41 AM

Morning Everyone :seeya: Welcome aboard Homecrafter

For me I think I have figured out what is bugging me so bad about all of this. On one hand you have the pretty vulnerable meek defenseless wife who can't get off the couch, but across the way on the internet, this same person is blasting people for their speculation. She puts out songs to show how they are the love of each other's life, then says he was not being honest about their finances. She seems to be making this more about her than him.

You have LE coming across as bumbling and head scratching, giving little to no information, but asking for the public's help.

Then you have a beautiful set of pictures that portrays a dream family in all aspects of their life - vacations, home, etc. but the dad has disappeared without a trace.

About the time you think you have reconciled something in your mind, you read something that makes you rethink it. I've seen beautiful dads with beautiful families just walk away - it happened to my older sister. It is not pretty or pleasant and the effects are far-reaching way beyond the immediate family.

I would rather think he walked off and Christine's words of "he is not a coward" be untrue, than to think he is hurt or dying, thinking of his family and longing to get back to them. All I can do is pray that he will come home. They could then at least TRY to work through whatever transpired. If he met with foul play, there is no chance at all.

RainyNiteNTx

02-27-2008, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

I can agree with that....that she is taking advantage of the generosity rather than it beginning as a scam. I've seen it happen before in groups and I've seen the same kind of manipulation. They let a select few know of their needs/wants and then those select few relay the need to the group....then they can say they never asked for it. I've seen worse than this...but it's all so familiar. Gift cards, packages for the kids, restaurant meals. How crazy to even offer to buy the kids clothes. What happened to their clothing the day daddy went missing? :confused: Next they'll want to offer them a vacation to take their minds off of everything....or her a day at the spa to pamper herself. It wouldn't surprise me. They mean well, but they go overboard and to be honest even get a little silly.

She could ask that they stop with the fund raising, but quite honestly, I don't think she wants to. Heck, this has turned out to be more about Christine than Nicholas. She seems to be more of a victim than him. [/*]

From what I've read - things she has said I would have to agree with your assessment. If money was pouring into my bank account, the first thing I would do is add to the reward money. I'm sure the children's clothes did not need to be replaced immediately, nor does the new baby need anything until October. Money talks.

RainyNiteNTx

02-27-2008, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by MystryPhobia

He knows that I am a true crime freak so he asked me about it.

So.. yeah he knows but I doubt he has come here. He has never understood the fascination. Probably better that he not too cause he would probably not take it well. [/*]

I hope he doesn't come here - if it is unpleasant for us to discuss certain aspects and we don't even know Nicholas, then yes it might be gut wrenching for him.

bitsy555

02-27-2008, 09:13 AM

It just seems by now we would have some sort of news. If he is out there somewhere...someone would have seen him. If he has been hurt or killed, there would be some evidence surfacing by now. There just seems to be nothing. That is what makes me think he doesn't want to be found.

Christine is so adamant that he wouldn't run away. She is just positive that he wouldn't do that to his family. Well you know I'm pretty sure my husband wouldn't do that to me either. But if he disappeared and there were no clues, I would have to consider this. It would be hard...but how can anyone be 100% sure of this.

Curiouser

02-27-2008, 09:19 AM

The police seeming to be so unconcerned and not telling us anything may be telling more than we realize too. I'm beginning to think that they have a very good idea of what's going on here and are just sort of waiting for something or someone to slip up and then they can locate him. I do think they would at least tell the family if they knew where he was even though they might not tell them where he was, if ya know what I mean.

RainyNiteNTx

02-27-2008, 09:24 AM

RainyNiteNTx

02-27-2008, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by bitsy555
It just seems by now we would have some sort of news. If he is out there somewhere...someone would have seen him. If he has been hurt or killed, there would be some evidence surfacing by now. There just seems to be nothing. That is what makes me think he doesn't want to be found.

Christine is so adamant that he wouldn't run away. She is just positive that he wouldn't do that to his family. Well you know I'm pretty sure my husband wouldn't do that to me either. But if he disappeared and there were no clues, I would have to consider this. It would be hard...but how can anyone be 100% sure of this. [/*]

Same here Bitsy - I would hope my husband would not do that - I would think he wouldn't, but it would be a consideration if he just disappeared with no foul play evidence. I've seen it happen before to my family, friends, and strangers in the news. It does happen.

Nellie

02-27-2008, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx

I would rather think he walked off and Christine's words of "he is not a coward" be untrue, than to think he is hurt or dying, thinking of his family and longing to get back to them. All I can do is pray that he will come home. They could then at least TRY to work through whatever transpired. If he met with foul play, there is no chance at all. [/*]

Rainy, even saying "he's not a coward" bugs me. She is basically saying if he took off he's a coward.....rather than worrying about him and just wanting to know he's safe and telling him to come home. It's almost like..."if you took off on me you're a coward". I just find that odd and the way she said it was almost angry sounding. No one suggested he was a coward.....so why did she have to throw that wording out there? It almost makes me feel like she expected perfection from this guy and if he slipped up, he would be less than the ideal man for her. If he had some kind of a breakdown from the pressure and took off, she'd see him as a coward. I just find it odd that she even said that. What other case have you ever heard anyone with a missing spouse make such a comment? Coward didn't even come to my mind when I thought he may have taken off. But, it did her's.

RainyNiteNTx

02-27-2008, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Nellie

Rainy, even saying "he's not a coward" bugs me. She is basically saying if he took off he's a coward.....rather than worrying about him and just wanting to know he's safe and telling him to come home. It's almost like..."if you took off on me you're a coward". I just find that odd and the way she said it was almost angry sounding. No one suggested he was a coward.....so why did she have to throw that wording out there? It almost makes me feel like she expected perfection from this guy and if he slipped up, he would be less than the ideal man for her. If he had some kind of a breakdown from the pressure and took off, she'd see him as a coward. I just find it odd that she even said that. What other case have you ever heard anyone with a missing spouse make such a comment? Coward didn't even come to my mind when I thought he may have taken off. But, it did her's. [/*]

I found it odd also - those were her words - no one elses. I also found it odd reading back through "that site" that no one - not one single person implied or remotely suggested that he left her. Then she came on in the middle of the board stating emphatically that her husband would not leave her. Next came a barrage of messages of "Oh Christine we know that - no one thinks that". Then she sent pics saying "look at us - he would not leave me". I continue to be baffled.

huskiki

02-27-2008, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Curiouser
The police seeming to be so unconcerned and not telling us anything may be telling more than we realize too. I'm beginning to think that they have a very good idea of what's going on here and are just sort of waiting for something or someone to slip up and then they can locate him. I do think they would at least tell the family if they knew where he was even though they might not tell them where he was, if ya know what I mean. [/*]

Good Morning Everyone :seeya:

I agree with you Curiouser. Maybe we need to take LE's inaction at face value. If they say there way no sign of foul play and they aren't actively searching for him then that to me means that they think he took off.

Another interesting point you raise ...you say that you would think that LE would at least tell the family and I think they would. But the question is, would Christine tell her friends at Etsy and other boards who are donating to her cause? I think the answer to that is no, I think she has an idea that he left and she's taking in as much "support" as she can, while she can. IMO JMO