Case Theories

[CANDYKISSES]

CW has given approval for a THEORIES ONLY thread. There is no discussion only theories of what happened. We can list any and all theories about the case here and revisit them or offer new theories as new information comes out.

Discussion about all aspects of the case is to be held on the daily threads.

Thanks CW. :patriot:

[Cardinal]

Both drunk, ML and CL have a sexual encounter in March; maybe it was ML’s first time. ML feels great remorse afterward, and doesn’t think she was sober enough to consent – hence rape. OTOH, CL just regards it as a sexual encounter.

On duty in April, with the 2 of them alone, CL goes for it again. ML says no; it stops.

From stress and remorse, ML misses a period and is afraid she’s pregnant. She tells her mom about the April incident, but not the March incident – because she doesn’t want to admit she was too drunk to know what she was doing. Out of fear of pregnancy and because of her Mom’s insistence, she reports it.

Over the next few months, coming to love the life she’s carrying, she rethinks the situation: she had some responsibility for being drunk enough to find herself in that situation, CL is her baby’s father, maybe somehow it can work out. They talk, off the radar, and are observed being on “friendly terms”.

Fast forward to December. She’s being pressured to give up her baby, she doesn’t see how she can stay in the MC and raise her child, so she wants out. She goes to CL for help. He helps her buy the bus ticket to disappear in Mexico.

I’m just not sure what went wrong at that point. But my radar says Christina.

[duncan]

I believe Maria, Cesar raped her, she became pregnant due to the rape.

When Maria finally reports the rape Cesar claims "no sexual contact".

I think Maria was in labor on the 14th and was on her way to the Naval Hospital, she drove to the home of Cesar to tell him the baby was coming and that Cesar would be proven to be a lier, Cesar snapped and killed Maria.

I think Christina helped with the cover up of the murder.

[baywench]

I believe CL and ML had a relationship starting in Dec of 2006 as stated by Lisa. I think that CL made ML mad at the time of the report of rape by telling her he was not interested in leaving his wife and child etc and she reported rape. When the pregnancy test came back as negative she realized that she would have to admit an ongoing relationship and the story of the consensual sex and then rape came about. I think she was a troubled girl absolutely infatuated with CL. The inconsistencies in her dates, the lack of conviction throughout the process and the lack of any plans to be made for the child (adoption, birth, care) also further my opinion that she had some sort of medical problem that was exaceberated by the stress and hormones of pregnancy. I do not believe CL targeted her before she got there because of the stories he had heard of her instablility. That such stories even reached him have never been substantiated. I believe she was seduced by CL to run away with him on the night she was murdered and thus purchased the ticket to El Paso and asked if it was OK to leave her car overnight as she thought she would be with him. My other theory is that he was going to leave Christina and she caught them and participated in the murder. My main theory though is that CL killed her out of desperation and the fact that he is a sociopath and Christina helped him clean up the mess. Either way Christina's involvement is much more than is being released. I cannot decide if CL is the baby's father...if so I believe it was because they continued to see other. I believe he killed her because he had said they had no sex and he was going to be proven wrong. I do not believe that given the circumstances that the MC did anything wrong whatsoever. It is impossible to believe that many members of the MC would be involved in falsifying due dates, pregnancy tests etc. I think they do have information that CL and ML were still friendly. IMO

[duncan]

I beleive Cesar raped Maria, Cesar was popular and well liked and had many friends, Maria was a newby and a chaste woman, she was a christian and possibly a virgin.


After the rape Maria did not report Cesar because she knew she would be the one in trouble with marines, when she did report the rape she found out just how much trouble the buddies of the accused could cause and that it was impossible to hide from the BOC (buddies of Cesar), so after months of harassment from the BOC Maria was forced to move off base into the home of DD, she was in labor 14 december, packed a few things and planned to go to the Naval Hospital on board Camp Lejeune, stopped be the home of cesar on an angry whim and told him the proof of his rape was soon to be born and in a rage Cesar killed Maria, I think the death movements of his daughter made cesar think Maria had survived his attack and so he slit her throat, I can't believe how horrible the death of Maria and her child was but after a horrible death it just got worse, I think cesar buried Maria in the woody area but when he saw the buzzards he moved her to his own back yard and he humbled Maria one more time.

He will be caught and he will turn on christina in a Mexico Moment.

omo

[bbub]

no matter which theory proves correct, this young lady did not deserve such a horrible fate and I hope her murderer rots in hell.

They had an affair, for him it was just another conquest, for her it was much deeper than that. He had way more to lose, as the fact that he was her superior officer put him in hot water whether or not the sex was consensual.

When it became clear that the relationship was not going the way she intended, she first threatened, then eventually filed the rape charges.

He played her as long as he could, hoping that the charges would be dropped and everything would just go back to normal. When she stopped by the house the day of her murder, she made it clear to him that just wasn't going to happen.

In desperation, the SOB murdered her, we all now know what happened after that.

Cesar's wife HAD to know that SOMETHING went on between them, what or who she chose to believe is still a question mark, as is her involvement if any in the whole thing.

He probably spent months thinking up the possible scenarios as to how to rid himself of his "problem".

[GentleBreeze]

I have several theories concerning this case but the basics remain somewhat intact.

I DO believe that Maria and Laurean had a consensual relationship. I DO believe she knew that he was married because it was said that they worked together before this happened. Maria may have gotten "cold feet" about it later on since she was to have told a friend that she was in a relationship she knew she needed to get out of and she and Laurean knew they both were playing with fire if caught.

I think Maria felt coerced to report the rape allegations after talking with her mother. I consider the statements made that Maria would tell a lie if she felt she was backed into a corner and I think she never felt so desperate from the situation she had found herself in. Imo Maria desperately needed her mother's approval and telling her she had had sex outside of marriage with a married man was not something she could ever tell her mom imo.

I believe from April until December there were contacts made away from Jacksonville between them from time to time. Even though their worlds had collided they had much in common. Both were expecting the same child...they both had to be worried if they were going to be discharged from the Corps.

I think Christina knew every little minute detail about Maria. I think she made Laurean's life a living hell constantly bringing it up. Imo she raged about Maria most likely knowing deep down inside it was probably true and Maria was carrying his child. I think Christina was a hanger on and don't believe they were close. He barely even knew her before she was pregnant with his child when he was merely 18 years old but it was much more simple to stay with her than divorce her and have to pay child support.

I do believe that on the day of 12-14 Maria had full intentions of leaving it all behind. She knew it wouldn't be long anyway before the MC most likely discharged her so there would be nothing left there for her anyway. She had to act then...the baby would be here soon and so would her mother. Imo Maria called Laurean and he got in touch with his family and she was going there to have the baby and he bought her the bus ticket to El Paso. I don't think he would risk riding in her car in broad daylight so he did not know she wouldn't be leaving that day until she came back and told him her plans had fallen through.

Now this is when I started having problems.....I do believe she came back to tell him she couldn't leave that day and she was hysterical because she felt she had no place to go. Of course the MC wouldn't be looking for her yet but imo I think Maria's mind was on overload and she immaturely thought they would be. This was a very big step for Maria and she knew she had to make a clean break and be done with it so she wouldn't change her mind and chicken out.

Now the time line really cinches my theory up for me. No way do I believe that Maria could have arrived back at Laurean's around 5:45 pm ish...talked with him where it erupted in a heated arguement...then the murder happened........then the cleaning up of the walls, floor......checking for bloody footprints tracked inside the home and cleaning that up too.........then hiding the body........hiding her vehicle.....getting rid of evidence......cleaning himself up.......redressing....and sitting there calmly when Christina walked through the door wanting to know where in the h*ll he had been and all of this to have been completed by 7 pm.
It just does not compute imo.

If she came there to see him willingly and he bought her a bus ticket to El Paso then I just don't see rage in that action. Of course he could have become very angry when she came back highly upset and him knowing any minute Christina was expected home and that is when it erupted into murder but the most logical answer imo is Christina walked in and caught them together and all hell broke loose.

I think he wasn't going to stick around and take his chances. Imo he had been thinking about leaving for some time anyway and it didn't take two brain cells to know he was going to be blamed for this ....so he just did what he had already planned to do and left the note behind for Christina so she would be distanced from the crime itself. I don't think he wanted to remain with CSL anyway. This was his ticket to freedom from her.

So as of now I think either both CL and CSL planned this murder together or CSL did this crime out of total rage and hatred when she found Maria there in her home.

If he did the actual murder then I think she knew all about it the first night and helped him to cover it up.

So I am still on EITHER one .....OR both Laureans for the murders but most definitely feel they BOTH were in on the clean up and cover up.

LOL Subject to change of course as more information is learned.

imoo

[Calla]

I believe Cesar & Maria were an item. I believe they were lustfully infatuated with each other and maybe even in love.
I believe Christina was overbearing and possessive and Cesar wanted out. Maybe he wanted out for a brief time and realized the importance of family & commitments made, and that is why he was still with his wife and child.
I believe Maria & Cesar had more than the two known encounters. They were fully involved in the "game" and enjoying every stolen moment. Maria had hopes and dreams of a happily ever after with Cesar and clung to each opportunity for another trist and he felt wanted and desired.
Maria never reported a rape to officials nor did she tell her mom, until that is, she discovered she was pregant. This was a child conceived of love. Her upbringing would not allow her to tell her mother that she had become involved with a married man & they had an adulterous relationship. At the same time, it would not allow her to abort this child. Then when she no longer had a choice, she decided to keep the secret and say she was raped. She could not be disowned, judged, or discarded if she found herself in this spot through no fault of her own. She never intended to name her 'unknown' attacker in the beginning, but the story unraveled along the way. They were all in a big mess.
Maria had thought Cesar wanted to be with her forever. Christina was not going to lose the battle to keep her man. Cesar was confused and becoming bitter toward them both.
Maria intended to leave on the 14th. Cesar had promised more than once to fulfill her dreams and he was going too.
More lies upon lies. Cesar lied to his wife. He lied to his mistress. He lied to his lawyers.
He did not show up for the party, because he was with Maria at the time. Christina found them. Cesar was told to make a choice or Christina would make it for him.....
One of them made that choice, or did they both make it together??

jmo.. I will in advance apologize to anyone offended by the theory in the event the real story is ever told

[chance]

My big fat theory

Maria and CL begin working together through work they get friendly , maybe even flirt a little. He starts inviting her to go out with “the” group to shoot pool and have a few beers. She goes and after a few times she develops a crush on CL. After one of the nights out at a party or something she passes out and he has sex with her. She wakes up and questions him. He convinces her that they did not have sex, that they started to and she passed out so he stopped and passed out too. She believes him as she can’t remember what happened.

Being a little nervous about what he did. CL pours on the charm and is a perfect gentleman to ML. I think she trusted him and I am pretty sure she did not know he was married. She continued to see him casually at the bar maybe a few parties here and there. I don’t think they had some world wind romance by any means. But I do think there was some heavy petting and flirting going on from both CL and ML.

I think it is quite possible that there were a few sexual encounters that were consensual . But then there was another incident. I think she may have woke up one night and CL was attempting to have sex with her. She tells him to stop and he does. I think this totally freaks her out. She tries to just stay away from him.

At some point in this same time frame. She finds out he is married. Pissed off that he betrayed her and rethinking all that happened she knew she had been raped. Too bad it is a month later and she has no proof and has been seen being friendly with CL since the date of the first assault. She calls her mom and tells her mom about the 2 incidents. Mom tells her you HAVE to report this. If she told her mom I was drunk I can’t remember. This could explain her mom telling her to make sure she was telling the truth. Face it being drunk *can* cause unwanted sex. IMO Date rape is serious crime sadly I think it is over looked more than not. Again MOO.

She reports it to the MC and they start their processes. They ask her if she thinks he is a threat she says no. I don’t think at this point she is afraid of him. Once CL is told about the charges ML is claiming. He goes in CYA mode and starts in on ML. Telling her no one will believe you , you have no proof. It never happened. You were drunk. About this time CSL finds out what is going on and is like * Oh hell, no you don’t, not my man*. This is when the real harassment started on ML.

IIRC she went home on vacation and returned sick goes to the doctor and finds out she is pregnant. I wonder how CL found out she was pregnant. I would like to know if the MC told him or if it was ML.

This certainly thickens the pot for CL. But totally blows CSL’s world out of the water! I mean your husband is accused of raping a girl and NOW she is pregnant. CSL is completely humiliated by what her husband is accused of doing. CSL gets tired of the whispering and She demands CL to make it go away I don’t care how you do it but, make it go away!

I think at least in the beginning Maria was ok with the idea of giving up the baby. After all she was adopted and knows first hand that adoption is in the best interest of the child.

But I think CL trying to save his own *** started to work on Maria. I think he really thought if she took back her story or adjusted it as some of you put it. It would just go away. They told her - to late too much involved, sorry we are continuing with the investigation. CL goes to plan *.

If he can charm her into believing he is leaving his wife and the Marines to be with her and she would have to do the same. I think she wanted to keep her baby and he gave her every reason to keep the baby. WE will be a family in Mexico nobody can touch us. She decides to keep the baby but does not tell her mom. ML knows her mother is coming in about a week or so iirc. I believe mom and uncle were coming to help Maria finalize an adoption agreement not the birth of the child.

CL convinced Maria to go to El Paso and he would meet her there as they could not travel together.
I believe that CL and CSL planned to send Maria on a wild goose chase across the country, possibly out of the country. In belief that CL would join her. But I think they wanted it to look like she left town. So when she came back there was know one that would believe a wild tale like that. (Kinda like the little brother tale.) They wanted to destroy her credibility.


This is where my theory gets a little muddy. Why did she go to his house? Did someone call her and tell her that they (CL&CSL) were scamming her! Is this when she chucked her phone out the window? Then to CL’s house to confront him!

Cuz now she has a left note, took money out of her account, packed, bought a bus ticket, lied to her parents and is attempting to desert the Marines. She arrives at CL house. She asks WTF is going on. CL goes in damage control to try and calm her down. CSL arrives home and freaks because Maria is there. All hell breaks loose and Maria knows she needs to get the out of there fast.

CSL and CL knew Maria now had proof of his guilt and were not going to let her leave. I believe Maria tried to leave through the garage and was stopped DEAD. I think her throat was cut post mortem to be sure she was dead. I don’t think this was done to fit a story. I think the story was developed to meet the crime.

Once Maria was dead I think that they did not know what to do, but had to make a plan. I have differing opinions of which one of the Lureans did what thing or who came up with any of the ideas. This is just MOO.

They came up with the Barbacoa (sp) Bury something below the ground and cook it from above. Other than burning the fence this would have been a great idea. I mean they had a fire there three times and nobody noticed a thing.

Nobody was taking this disappearance too seriously so that gave them time too do some clean up, getting rid of a car, washing some clothes , painting the house and building a fire pit. Their plan was working the MC thought Maria had just left.

After days and days went by they think they have gotten away with it. Then all of a sudden it was no longer just the MC involved, local LE wanted to talk to him. About the disappearance of Maria.

This prompts the trip to the Lawyers office. Here I think CL tells a little too much . The lawyer tells them, THEY are facing the DP. I don’t believe for a minute she sat in the lobby while he talked to the lawyer!

On the way home starts the planning on how to get the hell out of this. Now. This is where I have two different endings.

Ending one, Is just how it played out for real.

Ending two, CL IS indeed in the rug. Someone is helping CSL. This is where I think all this staging comes in. Too many breadcrumbs for my liking. This person Who committed a horrific murder and needs to get to Mexico without getting caught to avoid the DP, so to achieve this he drops her ID/Bank in plain sight, shops for sunglasses, writes a letter so they can find his truck, mails the letter and hop a bus and chit chats with the bus driver, lets not forget the western union pick up, More letters to describe the room and other things - that will help you lay low and get out of the country quietly! GMAB!
Who ever is helping arrived in Mexico went to visit a couple of relatives as CL. CL iirc had not seen them in 6 years. He would have 15 the last time they had seem him. It is not to far of a stretch for someone other than CL could have made the visit. CL is gone the goose chase is on. Then all this person had to do is simply leave Mexico and go home.

This is my opinion based on everything I learned from this board. Who need the news? I think you guys report it first. Thanks
**** This Theory is subject to change without notice**** moo Chance

[donna]

I would just like to say that I believe the truth is some of each theory here.

[Babes]

Ooopps i posted my theory on the other thread ::


here it is :

M theory might not be the best but i would like to see if i can help :

Cesar and Maria had an illicit relationship and just like any other relationships on their age, there are days that they fight and there are days that they are sweet.

Cesar held an early parenthood responsibilities. He got married and have a child on a very early age and when a jolly Maria started working for the Military , Cesar felt single again. They fell secretly for each other while Cesar promised Maria the whole world and maybe promised her that he'll divorce his wife.

She got pregnant and Cesar is still with his wife and not divorcing her. Cesar knew that his job is in jeopardy and he's paying mortgage as well. Maria is not happy that Cesar is still staying with his wife - They fought and Maria created a false rape allegations. Marine investigated the case and interviewed couple people who witnessed their affair and they have to come up with an idea that there is no rape as there is an on-going relationship between the two. But they have to do the process as the complaint was logged.

But then Maria and Cesar are back in each other's arm again secretly. Cesar convinced Maria to tell the Military that there isnt any rape and the baby isnt his so that they wont penalize Cesar. Maria did what Cesar told her .

On the other hand, Cesar and Christine was fighting about it. Maria is about to give birth to Cesar's first SON. Chrstine spent couple days either to her sister's house or his parent's house in Ohio with Abrianna. Christine told Cesar that she's leaving him and will not come back if he didnt do something about it.

Cesar thought Christine isnt coming back. He is making plans with Maria and on the 14th of December, they were suprised that Christine attended the party. A friend called them in advance to let them know about Christine being in the party. They both didnt come to the party anymore. Maria was upset and went to Cesar's house knowing Christine isnt there anyway. They talked and Cesar told her that they will just go away and go to El Paso Texas. Cesar told Maria to buy the ticket first and he will follow so no one will notice that they are together. Cesar even showed Maria that he bought couple baby clothes to show Maria that he cared about their little baby. Maria agreed. They drove back to the house using Maria's car. Maria dropped Cesar off to the house but Cesar invited her to go inside. They started kissing and possibly starting to have sex when Christine arrived. A bloody crime happened next . Maria was possibly killed by Christine or Cesar.

ALL IMO - Just My THEORY only.

[Regina.Lampert]

Here is Mimi's excellent theory:


Mimi428
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Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Central Texas
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Well, her lower legs were burned completely off & so were her arms. The ME notes that her left torso was so damaged that her left lung was no longer present. I could not tell which ribs, right side or left, he referred to in the report, so I can't tell what condition they may have been overall.

Her stomach was missing, but that is closer to the torso area than the lower part of her pelvic area. I am guessing that purely by the thickness of the abdominal area that is why at least a bit was still recoverable - the loop of bowel & the fetal remains.

My theory is that Cesar had other help, I am thinking perhaps a male relative. Christina may have been in on some of it, but not the actual murder. I believe it is possible that a baby item was purchased by someone NOT Cesar for cash & that Maria was contacted by someone NOT Cesar nor Christina. Someone else Maria knew, someone who pretended to be more or less 'on her side' or friendly & who called her to say something along the lines of "hey, don't worry about making an appearance at that party - I just bought the cutest baby outfit - I'll come over to the house & give it to you".

Maria was taken unaware when Cesar & person X showed up. She was threatened by both - through a specific threat to harm her baby. She was told that if she agreed to write that note, pack some things, make everyone think she was leaving, she would be eventually let go to get on the bus. But - if she ever came back it would be all over.

She writes the note, she goes to the ATM for the money, she gets the bus ticket but the 3 of them find out there is no space on that night's bus.

Cesar & person X do not expect that change of events, so she is taken to Cesar's house where she is murdered.

The baby item still in the bag is tossed into the pit with her because the person who purchased it does not want to be remembered by anyone as having bought an item of baby clothing.

That's the essentials. Dang! I should have put this in the theory thread!

JMO


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[AlohaRainbow]

what if maria had decided to leave town because of the pressure she was feeling from her family about the adoption issue (and she wanted to keep the baby)... then she decides to let cesar know that she is leaving (either she stops by his house to leave a note for him- not expecting him to be home due to the unit party-or she knows he's home and not at the party).

however, when she gets to his house, they fight because he says he and christina have decided to adopt the baby (he assumes it's his based on the due date), and that's why he's been laying the groundwork by telling folks that his wife is pregnant.

he lays it out that this would be a win-win for both of them - maria wouldn't have to get caught in a lie (i.e. rape) with the potential punishment of being thrown out of the military because they both "know" that their encounter/s were consensual, and he wouldn't get caught testifying falsely that they never had sex (and, it was the only way that he could save his marriage). heck, he tells her as he shows her the 0-3 mos baby outfit, they (he and christina) have even started buying baby clothes.

[then, either christina comes home during the fight... or comes home to find the aftermath.]