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[Kat4Eagles]

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We were talking about the timing of the phonecall from Jay to his sister in the law, and I was asking about those mysterious therapist notes again...

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Morning CW, thanxxx for the new thread.

Hope we all can pick up the discussion.

Therapist Notes
Deck Boards and Stain
Other...

Kat

[Shotzie]

This is a reply to Frank about people using hitman.

THe one he mentioned was HOrn, I just remember 2 more.
The one the guy I believe was in Cal,( A Rich Dude) hired two guys to kill his ex She lived in another state,that was famous for having I think triplet, sixtriplets not sure of number. THey found him GUILTY

Then last night on a program they showed a guy that hired a hitman to run down his wife, but she survived and it took years to put the case together but they did an found him GUILTY. So yes it does happen....

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Shotzie
This is a reply to Frank about people using hitman.

THe one he mentioned was HOrn, I just remember 2 more.
The one the guy I believe was in Cal,( A Rich Dude) hired two guys to kill his ex She lived in another state,that was famous for having I think triplet, sixtriplets not sure of number. THey found him GUILTY

Then last night on a program they showed a guy that hired a hitman to run down his wife, but she survived and it took years to put the case together but they did an found him GUILTY. So yes it does happen.... [/*]

Hi Shotzie, slow weekend on the thread.
I considered a hit for a short time re: this case, but it was too messy.
I think if the husband were involved here, that even though his dna would be all over the home, that if it was anywhere in the crime scene or on the murder weapon, there would have been an early and easy arrest.
Nope, this one is going to be a shocker with a surprize ending.

Kat

[Danica]

Originally posted by june1943


No matter what nic you use your comments are always so ignorant. [/*]

And your post rarely deal with the murder of Michelle Young. Usually they are attacks on other posters. Ever think any positive thoughts ?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943


No matter what nic you use your comments are always so ignorant. [/*]

It is a good way to get the Board shut down again, since the other forums are quiet also.

There just isn't anything new. The investigation somehow stalled, new people were brought in, these people wanted to look closer at the deck and stain left outside after a year.....:shrug:

It is very possible that this was also overlooked by L E and found by a outside investigation for all we know.

It troubles me when things are missed after having a forensic team inside the home for 13 days.
It troubles me when they overlook a fragment of a tooth, fail to do a sexual exam, and have to come back to the home 13 months later with a ruler to measure prints.

It bothers me that this case goes on and on, and people want to shut down a place that we can have if something breaks.

It bothers me that the 16th of this month, it will make a year since the therapist notes were ordered to be turned over, and we have not a clue why.

It bothers me the most that this Sunday, (the 17th) Michelle would be and should be celebrating her 31st birthday....
So, if you don't want to post here and disuss who murdered her, there is a X button on the right side top of the page.

Thank you, CW, for allowing us to stay open.

Kat

[Danica]

Kat I agree most of what you post is bothersome with this case. LE may have missed a couple things but really nothing that critical imo, besides the rape kit. The tooth fragment was overlooked, or it was found who knows where by the relatives who came to the house upon release by LE. They (LE) did collect her teeth, I think just a fragment was found by whoever... As far as the measurements go, that is a correctable error and has been taken care of now. What I find bothersome about your post is how you act like the board was shut down due to posters, when IIRC you were the one to start the "case is cold" spiel to CW and subsequently she closed it down. Then a few short months later you start a thread and pretend that you had nothing to do with the closure. It is ridiculous for you to warn posters that their behavior may get it closed again, when most of the time its your baiting that gets people pissed off and they respond angrily or sarcastically and you report/whine to CW and try to get them banned. She then tires of that routine and closes the board. Let's try to keep the facts straight here okay, it's important you know, in all areas of life.

[Danica]

snipped from kats post :
"There just isn't anything new. The investigation somehow stalled, new people were brought in, these people wanted to look closer at the deck and stain left outside after a year"
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Why is that a sign of a stalled case ? They have brought in fresh "eyes" to further investigate the case. The sheriff has also stated that they work this case every single day, and have even set up a room solely for investigating the Michelle Young murder. He said there are notes, photos, copies of search warrants, etc hung all over the walls, they call it the "war room". He also said the case has stretched to cities surrounding Brevard, that someone in that area "knows something more" about the case. NOT a stalled case, by any stretch... IMO. Then there is the television show that has devoted two full segments to this murder and is actively doing an investigation of their own. Cold ? Hardly...lol Oh, one more thing Kat, what did you think about the NCWanted show reporting that Jason drove miles out of his way on that business/mommy trip and had no concrete alibi for his time thru that night ? Hmmmm...sounds like what you've been calling his airtight unbreakable alibi is not anywhere near that

Justice for Michelle :rose:

[Danica]

Originally posted by Frank Drackm


I really don't understand this type of post.

What outcome were you hoping for? [/*]

I'm guessing that said poster would maybe, say change her ways ?

[Leanne Weich]

I wonder if the deck slats which were removed were in fact nailed down or if they could have been the murder weapon?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by june1943

Not true. I do find myself jumping in to defend other people when I guess i shouldn't. You might look at the poster that was saying nasty things about Kat. now there is a poster that brings nothing to the discussions of the murder. Course that's just my opinion only. [/*]

It's a shame that the Michelle Young case is no longer being discussed at the Michelle Young forum. Why is that, do you think?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by june1943


Its the same on all the forums. I was just reading on another forum and the topic of conversation was constipation. I agree it is a shame. [/*]

I find that hard to believe. Are you sure you didn't misinterpret? This is about Michelle. Those of us who love her try to keep these posts about her and this terrible crime. Do you believe that there is any possibility that the crime will be solved? Is there a plausible reason that her husband would not help in solving the crime if he is not involved and responsible for the crime?

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by june1943

I would have to say they were nailed down. The house was made ready for selling I don't think deck boards not nailed would have been overlooked. Its my theory no murder weapon was taken into the house unless it was a flashlight . I don't think this was intended to be a murder. I still think who ever came into this house got raging mad at Michelle and it escalated to her murder. IMO [/*]

imo, the boards would be unsafe if they weren't nailed down.

I've always thought this was a premeditated murder. Time will tell. I hope there is an arrest soon.

[lili]

Originally posted by MandyMutton


imo, the boards would be unsafe if they weren't nailed down.

I've always thought this was a premeditated murder. Time will tell. I hope there is an arrest soon. [/*]

So have I, and so do I.

JMO.

[lili]

A poster in a previous thread commented that LE have not confirmed that there was a "fax" or that Cassidy had "trailed" her mother's blood around the house.

Well, this is some of what was reported. I can only go by what I read, since I wasn't there, but I'm not making it up.

Michelle was attacked in her bedroom, wasn't she?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/13/earlyshow/main2175238.shtml

According to reports of the autopsy, the killer wasn't content with just strangling her, but repeatedly beated her about the head:

Michelle Young's killer strangled the young, pregnant mother, broke her jaw and fractured her skull while hitting her repeatedly in the head, face, neck and shoulders, the state medical examiner's office reported Monday.

Young, 29, died from blunt force trauma to her head, according to a preliminary autopsy report released Monday. The blows were so numerous that they had to be grouped based on the area of the body injured, the report shows.

The autopsy report indicated that Michelle Young's lower left jaw was hit, causing numerous fractures. Blows to her head caused multiple skull fractures. The beating left at least 13 lacerations on the back of her head, and evidence of hemorrhaging in the brain was found. Fingernail marks pitted the left side of her neck. Her lips were extensively bruised and swollen, and several of her teeth were knocked out.



http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/535122.html

IMO, that shows that the killing was very, very personal. A stranger, a burglar, etc, doesn't try to strangle and then destroy the face of their victim with repeated blows. If they're surprised in the process, they strike a blow or shoot a gun and they're off out of there as fast as they can, IMO.

This, on the other hand, has all the hallmarks of a very, very personal killing at the height of fury. Who? I don't know. But it wasn't some stranger who happened to walk into Michelle's bedroom and bludgeon her to death, while leaving her daughter alive.

And YES, according to reports, Cassidy was found by her aunt near her dead mother, in a pool of her blood, and bloody footprints were found around the house.

Young's sister found her beaten to death on the bedroom floor. She was lying in a pool of blood with her 2-year-old daughter, who was unharmed, by her side.

And YES, LE were reported to have said there was a "fax" that Jason asked Meredith to pick up only to find her sister dead and her niece

Detectives say Young's husband, Jason, was out of town on business when his wife's body was found. He had left the day before, and reportedly called his sister-in-law and asked her to go to his home to pick up a fax. That's when Young was found dead.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/13/earlyshow/main2175238.shtml

And

Investigators say there were no signs anyone forced their way into the home, but the murder was violent.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/13/earlyshow/main2175238.shtml

Who would have the motive to do that? Jason was having an affair, Michelle was pregnant. Shades of Scott Peterson, IMHO.

JMO

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by june1943


I have heard it talked about on the other forums about LF suing Jason in a civil suit. That could have been the plan all along. MF could have done the kill then set Jason up to look like the killer. LF moves in and gets the money in a civil suit. What a plan. There's a motive right there. Now if MF would just tell where she was the night of the murder we might be able to see opportunity. I wondered why the Fishers turned against Jason so early even before the funeral. Could have been the plan all along. Course this was all just speculation as were your comments. [/*]

Because we don't know where Meredith was the night Michelle was murdered, doesn't mean LE don't know. I'm pretty sure Meredith's whole life has been scrutinised by LE by virtue of the fact she is the person who found Michelle. SOP.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


I have heard it talked about on the other forums about LF suing Jason in a civil suit. That could have been the plan all along. MF could have done the kill then set Jason up to look like the killer. LF moves in and gets the money in a civil suit. What a plan. There's a motive right there. Now if MF would just tell where she was the night of the murder we might be able to see opportunity. I wondered why the Fishers turned against Jason so early even before the funeral. Could have been the plan all along. Course this was all just speculation as were your comments. [/*]

Let me make sure I understand you. You are speculating that Michelle's mother colluded with Meredith to kill Michelle so that months later her mother could collect, maybe, on a life insurance policy?

Barbara2, I think you have your answer as to why this case is no longer being discussed here.

:confused:

[Sherlocksmom]

Originally posted by Cardinal


Let me make sure I understand you. You are speculating that Michelle's mother colluded with Meredith to kill Michelle so that months later her mother could collect, maybe, on a life insurance policy?

Barbara2, I think you have your answer as to why this case is no longer being discussed here.

:confused: [/*]



Yep you hit the nail on the head Cardinal! :beer:

[JHP]

Originally posted by june1943


Remember all the talk a long time ago about when LF got to Raleigh. Seems like she got there awful fast for someone living in NY. Isn't this an opinion board? Just because someone doesn't look for other people to do the murder doesn't mean you can't discuss it. If we all thought like you do wouldn't it be an awful world? Don't you have friends in real life that disagree with you sometimes? I would hope so. Other wise you must really be self centered. [/*] It was just the opposite of Jason and his family wasn't it? I'm sure she couldn't get there fast enough.

WHY did they wait so long before going back to Raleigh? His mom and stepdad knew about the murder before Jason arrived at their house? If my granddaughter had been left in that situation I would have either been ready to go as soon as he arrived, or had gone ahead by myself.
Do these people only own one car??

WHAT were they waiting for?? Thats right Joe and Heather. Did they have something Jason needed before he got back to Raleigh? HMmm we may never know.

I hope LE checked the phone records in Brevard and Etowah, I'm surprised they didn't send an officer to Brevard to check the parents house. He had enough time to leave stuff there.

JMOO

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by JHP
It was just the opposite of Jason and his family wasn't it? I'm sure she couldn't get there fast enough.

WHY did they wait so long before going back to Raleigh? His mom and stepdad knew about the murder before Jason arrived at their house? If my granddaughter had been left in that situation I would have either been ready to go as soon as he arrived, or had gone ahead by myself.
Do these people only own one car??

WHAT were they waiting for?? Thats right Joe and Heather. Did they have something Jason needed before he got back to Raleigh? HMmm we may never know.

I hope LE checked the phone records in Brevard and Etowah, I'm surprised they didn't send an officer to Brevard to check the parents house. He had enough time to leave stuff there.

JMOO [/*]

There have been no media reports that the family waited "so long" before going to Raleigh so on what basis are you making such broad assumptions?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


Remember all the talk a long time ago about when LF got to Raleigh. Seems like she got there awful fast for someone living in NY. Isn't this an opinion board? Just because someone doesn't look for other people to do the murder doesn't mean you can't discuss it. If we all thought like you do wouldn't it be an awful world? Don't you have friends in real life that disagree with you sometimes? I would hope so. Other wise you must really be self centered. [/*]

No, I don't remember all the talk a long time ago. Refresh my memory please - what time did LF get to Raleigh, exactly?

As for disagreeing with me, feel free. That wasn't the point of my post. I just thought your theory about LF and MF was pitifully weak, that's all.

[MandyMutton]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Perhaps the same assumptions that your buddy is stating about the victim's mother's arrival ? I never read that in any media reports. I'd suggest you guys need a huddle . You need to square your strategy . :D [/*]

Where do you get the idea that another poster is my "buddy"???

I suggest you need to refrain from baseless accusations. Thanks.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by june1943


Remember all the talk a long time ago about when LF got to Raleigh. Seems like she got there awful fast for someone living in NY. ~snip~[/*]

So, again, when did LF get to Raleigh? TIA.