Pa Drug Task Force Region IV

[Cinderella]

I have really been thinking about the Drug Task Force. I will admit that I don't know all there is to know about it. I am in need of a lot of answers about it. I don't want opinions as to how the Drug Task Force operates, I want answers.

I hope that S1 doesn't mind me copying his post on the links forum and bringing it over here. The first link doesn't still work. The Attorney General site link still works.

With all the illegal activity going on, why would anyone assume that someone in the Drug Task Force didn't harm Ray or that maybe Ray would be running from it. I would wonder if anyone spoke out about what was going on, that their lives might be in jeopardy. I am sure there is more than just 2 that were corrupt.

It could be a likely scenerio as to why Ray went to Huntingdon the day before. He might have thought after Thursday that they were going to have a meeting. He could have been told to bring his laptop to get information or to put information on it to take with him. That way he might have some records on it. If Ray knew that corruption was going on, I know that he would not stand for it and want to report it. Was this how he was lured?
If someone is corrupt and making money, would they want their job to be jeopardized or would it be better of getting rid of the person that was in the way? I really think that we need to carefully look at this. Of course the Attorney General would not want terrible things to get out about his Drug Task Forces. I would appreciate any inforamation that I could get on the subject.
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Serendipitous1
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Two police officers who once led the Lycoming County Drug Task Force were charged today in an alleged conspiracy that authorities said included selling forfeited cars for personal gain and destroying records of ongoing investigations.
http://www.centredaily.com/news/bre...ory/123154.html

During the course of the investigation, agents attempted to obtain drug task force records and it was discovered that all records prior to January 2006 had allegedly been destroyed. The destroyed records were the only complete copies and included information for cases that were still under investigation and prosecution.
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/press.aspx?id=2561

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This is what I was told about the Pa Drug Task Force Region IV.

Region IV is based in State College, and includes the counties of Blair, Centre, Clearfield, Clinton, Huntingdon, Juniata, Lycoming, Mifflin, Montour, Northumberland, Potter, Snyder, Tioga and Union. The Regional Director (since Nov. '05) is Randy Feathers.

[Cinderella]

Another Link


http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/103-06122007-1361933.html



http://www.pennlive.com/news/patriotnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1200618611114280.xml&coll=1


Friday, January 18, 2008
WILLIAMSPORT

Prosecution to resume

A Clearfield County senior judge has been assigned to the corruption case involving two suspended Williamsport police officers who ran Lycoming County's drug task force. The appointment of Senior Judge John K. Reilly Jr. clears the way for the prosecution of Patrolman Thomas H. Ungard Jr. and Cpl. Dustin J. Kreitz to resume. All Lycoming judges had recused themselves.

Ungard was a lieutenant when he led the task force. Kreitz was his assistant. Both are suspended without pay.

Testimony at a preliminary hearing in August included allegations that task force vehicles were sold without permission to relatives and a big-screen television set from the task force office was taken to the apartment of Kreitz's former fiancee.

[Cinderella]

http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=1077287706


Williamsport
Coordinator1
Lycoming County Drug Task Force

Web References
1. www.indianagazette.com
www.indianagazette.com/index.p - [Cached]
Published on: 6/19/2007 Last Visited: 6/19/2007

A state grand jury recommended the charges against Thomas Ungard Jr., 42, of Williamsport, and Dustin Kreitz, 37, of Montoursville.
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Ungard was the coordinator of the Lycoming County Drug Task Force; Kreitz was his assistant.
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Corbett said the investigation was launched last summer after the Lycoming County district attorney's office reported allegations that Ungard used a pickup truck seized from a convicted drug dealer for a private fishing trip to Canada.
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That allegation led to Ungard and Williamsport police Chief John McKenna being suspended with pay in July 2006. Ungard was also dismissed from his position as coordinator of the drug task force at that time. 2. The Express
www.lockhaven.com/express/news - [Cached]
Published on: 8/24/2006 Last Visited: 8/24/2006

Thomas Ungard. The two allegedly used the truck to take a fishing trip to Canada.

Ungard was dismissed from his position as the coordinator of the Lycoming County Drug Task Force and both men were suspended from the police force - with pay - pending an investigation by the Attorney General's Office into improper use of the seized vehicle.

McKenna and Ungard announced Benchino's arrest at a February press conference, during which Ungard said the case would send ‘‘shockwaves" through the community because of Benchino's ‘‘steady clientele of 30 to 35 people, some of whom are middle-class businessmen and a few women."
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Ungard." 3. Williamsport Sun-Gazette
www.sungazette.com/News/articl - [Cached]
Published on: 8/23/2006 Last Visited: 8/23/2006

Thomas Ungard. The two allegedly used the truck to take a fishing trip to Canada.

Ungard was dismissed from his position as the coordinator of the Lycoming County Drug Task Force and both men were suspended from the police force - with pay - pending an investigation by the Attorney General's Office into improper use of the seized vehicle.


NOTICE THIS LAST PARAGRAPH
McKenna and Ungard announced Benchino's arrest at a February press conference, during which Ungard said the case would send ‘‘shockwaves" through the community because of Benchino's ‘‘steady clientele of 30 to 35 people, some of whom are middle-class businessmen and a few women."
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Ungard."

[Cinderella]

How do we know that anything has to do with Ray's disappearance. I don't know if there were any meetings that Ray attended with the drug force. I don't know if someone told him information that corruption was happening. I know that he would not go for it. If he did know something, who would he tell?
Did he discover that some Bigwig was involved in drugs. Even the corruption that was going on at the time was enough.

In 2004 there was a PA Congressman's son charged with drugs. He got a slap on the wrist. Yet the drug agency is in his Jurisdication. How it ended up in Johnstown is beyond me. How convenient. Watch out for your son. Ed Rendell's driver was caught with drugs.

Also hardly any evidence was left. That tells me that someone who knew how to get rid of evidence was involved. Do you know how much money is made on drugs? It is a big market. Maybe Ray learned of someone's territory. Not a small person, but a big person.

You would think that the Attorney General would take this case. Then again is there a conflict of interest.

If they thought that Ray had any records on his laptop then they would want his records also. It isn't the little people, it is the big people.

Also the Monday after he went missing, he was supposed to be a witness. He had a drug case that day.

I don't know, do you have any better idea's as to what happened to him?

[puzzled]

Hopefully the police are delving very deeply into this in connection with Rays dissapearance. It is suspicious since he was supposed to appear for a drug case the following monday. Often times the drugs are controlled by the mobsters. There could ultimately be a connection in my opinion. :flamemad:

[Serendipitous1]

Originally posted by Cinderella <Snips>
I hope that S1 doesn't mind me copying his post on the links forum and bringing it over here. The first link doesn't still work. The Attorney General site link still works.

...This is what I was told about the Pa Drug Task Force Region IV. Region IV is based in State College, and includes the counties of Blair, Centre, Clearfield, Clinton, Huntingdon, Juniata, Lycoming, Mifflin, Montour, Northumberland, Potter, Snyder, Tioga and Union. The Regional Director (since Nov. '05) is Randy Feathers. Anything posted on In Session/Courttv boards can be quoted.

Actually, Feathers was named by TC on August 19, 2005 (CDT article of even date), after the then Regional Director, Ron Smeal, was tapped by David Kwait, the Gaming Board's Director of Investigation and Enforcement, to be the first Training Manager in the Gaming Board's Bureau of Investigation and Enforcement.
http://www.pgcb.state.pa.us/transcripts/transcript20050817.pdf

[Cinderella]

Two police officers who once led the Lycoming County Drug Task Force were charged today in an alleged conspiracy that authorities said included selling forfeited cars for personal gain and destroying records of ongoing investigations.

Is anyone stupid enough to believe that Ungard and Kreitz were the only ones profiting from this? Who had what to hide since they were destroying records on ongoing investigations? Is that why the lap top was taken out of the closet by probably Ray. I seriously think that he planning on going to a meeting or something and was double crossed. Maybe Ray even suggested meeting at the SOS since that may be a good place to park his car. If he met up with a woman, was she on the task force? From what I understand, a vehicle was parked next to Ray's Mini and Ray, from how the dogs responded, walked over and got in the vehicle. Plus, they would have someone with excellent knowledge on how to make sure that nothing was left behind in a crime scene. If they did take the lap top and hard drive that day, they needed time to see what Ray had on the hard drive and destroy it.

I hate to say this but the psychic said Ray was asked how much do you know and who did you tell.

Do you think that someone even if they wanted to is going to step forward now and say that they know something. I wonder how many others disappeared that we don't even know about.

Wonder if Congressman Murtha knows anymore about this, since the center is located in Johnstown? But then again, didn't Murtha help Rendell out to become Governor?

Oh and let's not forget that Tom Corbett works under Governor Rendell and Michael Madeira worked under Tom Corbett. Funny thing how Michael Madeira managed to get Ray to endorse him and he got Ray's job. Wouldn't need too many janitors would you?

[Cinderella]

Oh it was DF that was on the Lion Board stating to everyone that would listen that JM was involved. But then again, DF is supposedly mental isn't he????? :rolleyes:

[Cloudbuster]

Okay there goes that DEA headquaters again? Taji told ya what it was about. If Mr M son is into this stuff makes sense keep the darn place where it is at. http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13911705&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=415898&rfi=8
The group searched from the east side of the Casey Highway to the western outskirts of the city. The group also covered the area around a 10- to 15-mile stretch of the Rails to Trails network. Special focus was placed on ((((industrial parks))))) , fishing holes and forested paths. (Was he a informant? look at the dates).
http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=14365974&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=415898&rfi=8
http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15248406&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=415898&rfi=8
Cind I read at one point the son worked for Robert or Kit some consulting firm?
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110009248

KING me Moo. 2004 had a occurance related.

[Cinderella]

Great article on Congressman Murtha, Cloudbuster. How old is Murtha now? Wonder when he is going to retire?

[Serendipitous1]

Originally posted by Cinderella Great article on Congressman Murtha, Cloudbuster. How old is Murtha now? Wonder when he is going to retire? Wonder when he will be indicted? JM sounds like just another asshole...in a world full of assholes. MOO

[Cinderella]

Originally posted by Serendipitous1
Wonder when he will be indicted? JM sounds like just another asshole...in a world full of assholes. MOO


[/*]You took the words right out of my mouth. NEVER IS THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. He is too high up. Probably knows too much about others also.

[J. J. in Phila]

While my regard for Murtha approaches that of my regard for a case of syphilis, what does John P. "Jack" Murtha have to do with this case?

So far as I recall, Murtha has never represented Centre County, and so far as I know, never had any business dealing in Centre County. He's not an attorney, didn't hold a state office since 1974, and doesn't have any particular ties to Penn State.

Where is the connection?

[Cinderella]

Are you the same J. J. that has been posting on this board or are you an imposter? You know very well that Mr. Murtha is a PA Congressman. If you will read one of Cloudbusters links, you will know about the Drug Site being in Johnstown, PA.

I didn't say that Murtha did it. What I am saying is that I believe it involves someone on the Drug Task Force. Isn't Murtha overlooking that project. Most of the records were destroyed by the two men.

I know, you like the walk-away theory.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Cinderella
Are you the same J. J. that has been posting on this board or are you an imposter? You know very well that Mr. Murtha is a PA Congressman. If you will read one of Cloudbusters links, you will know about the Drug Site being in Johnstown, PA.



Cind, the Drug Enforcement Intelligence Center (I think that's the name), is a Federal Agency that generally looks at drugs being smuggled into the US. Murtha got funding for it in the 1980's, but he does not run it; It's under the US Department of Justice.


I didn't say that Murtha did it. What I am saying is that I believe it involves someone on the Drug Task Force. Isn't Murtha overlooking that project. Most of the records were destroyed by the two men.


The drug task force is run by TC and is a state program that prosecutes drug dealers in Pennsylvania. There isn't a great administrative connection there.

Likewise, Murtha is not a state but a federal representative. The State AG's office is funded, primarily by the state and elected by the voters.

Like I said, what is the connection?

[Cinderella]

J. J.,

What does anyone have to do with this case? Do you know, do you have any ideas? Something happened.

Why isn't the Drug Enforcement Intelligence Center in Washington, DC instead of Johnstown, PA? Why does it belong in Johnstown?

So it is under the Department of Justice. What is it doing in Johnstown?

Murtha is also on the Penn State Homeland Security. I know that doesn't mean anything. I didn't say that Murtha did anything. I can say this much as for my opinion, he should have been booted out over Abscam.

I know that I can't talk Politics with you because you are very knowledgeable.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Cinderella
J. J.,

What does anyone have to do with this case? Do you know, do you have any ideas? Something happened.

Why isn't the Drug Enforcement Intelligence Center in Washington, DC instead of Johnstown, PA? Why does it belong in Johnstown?

So it is under the Department of Justice. What is it doing in Johnstown?



Because Murtha got the funds for it in the 1980's and a condition was to put it in Johnstown to create jobs in his district. He doesn't run it. It was his own little barrel of pork to put it there.


Murtha is also on the Penn State Homeland Security.


You're going to have to explain that.

[Cinderella]

So you that he is on the Penn State Homeland Security or tell you what that has to do with anything.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Cinderella
So you that he is on the Penn State Homeland Security or tell you what that has to do with anything. [/*]

I'm not even sure what Penn State Homeland Security is. It might be nothing, but I'll look if you post a link.

[Cinderella]

Thanks, J. J.

[Cloudbuster]

Okay let's see SR. controls the headquaters that isn't wanted where it resides but the kicker is the JR that happens to have records of the drug crap okay. What you fail to see is who shuts things down even at the AG level???? Jr has a Baltimore slight connect. While someone ranted and raved about SR during RG's case just somehow that freakin lastname and there are many just ended up as a name on my ghostly tape could you even explain that cause I can't understand that okay I don't understand or maybe I do and I want the rosey glasses back on is much more tolerable. This name is mentioned yea by a ghost or whatever entity it is that claims that lastname TOOK over. Now what the hay is that supposed to mean? It can only be a certain amount of meanings? Yea Im freaking and hating saying it but what am I supposed to say other than what I believe is the truth that was told to me in a strange way. You can laugh cause Im sure it's funny but to me it's not. I didn't want to die over this case you know.:cuss:

[Cloudbuster]

What counts to his constituents isn't Murtha's standing in the US Congress, but his record in getting federal money to his district. You don't have to travel far in the 12th district to find his name - from the John P. Murtha Regional Airport to the John P. Murtha Institute for Homeland Security at a local campus of the University of Pennsylvania.

The fact that Murtha would say it first means something. "He's a king around here," she says. "He helped my husband gain his citizenship when no one else would help."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1202/p01s04-uspo.html

Cind here is a kink of some stuff:

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayCiteList&orgId=574&topicId=100021151

see this keystone oppurtunity zone?

The Meadow Ridge Business Park is a designated((( Keystone Opportunity Zone)))) location. This project will support the creation of approximately 250 new jobs and the retention of approximately 145 existing jobs. The project will be administered by the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation (PennDOT).

The owner of the Industrial park you know the one Carla went too? He sits on the Keystone Opportunity board seda Coga.
MOO ONLY

tip westmoreland county has a record from 2004.( Jr) The same county that gets funds and grants whatever they call it for fire departments ect.

[J. J. in Phila]

The Murtha Institute is Indiana University of Pennsylvania in Indiana University of Pennsylvania, not at Pennsylvania State University. Murtha attended there, and I'd expect, help get funding. It's like the Budd Shuster Highway; Shuster doesn't run it, but he got the funding for it.

The Murtha "connection" is a wild goose chase.

[Cloudbuster]

JJ then how in the hay is there a whole dialog about that name? Im going to relook over the DEA readings. It somehow is there. You can spend eternity looking at millions of things but Im looking at what was said on that tape because there is NO way it just got on there and from where? PM me and I will send you a copy. Thats the best I can do.;)

[Cinderella]

OK, I didn't really start this thread to talk about Congressman Murtha. I mentioned him, but this thread if about the task force.
I would say if someone wants to talk about Murtha that they should make a new thread. I want to focus on the task force and drugs.

In reference to J. J. Who is to say that there was a copy anywhere. Their might have been a CD around or paperwork, but who is to say that there was anything else. All week end people had access to his office.
He probably didn't keep that information at home.

If he was a paper and pencil type of person, maybe he had notes in his office.

If you try to think like someone who wants information from another person bad enough, you will take what you can get.

Also I have asked time and time again. What was he to be a witness for on that Monday? I think that is where the clue lies. Starting from what he was supposed to be doing that Monday. Thursday and Friday, he could have been preparing himself to testify to what I don't know.

[Cinderella]

BTW, the only other person who might have known what Ray was going to testify to was Michael Madeira as he was going to prosecute Taji Lee and the rest. Did Ray feel that he could trust Michael Madeira, I don't know.

[Cloudbuster]

Cind I am talking about the drugs and the pipeline. It's not about just one centered person. I found a few loopholes and I suppose they are worthless. I don't know which Murtha but can't be that hard to figure out. The PSP reveiw board met in Greene county right and questions had to be submitted first right? Why is that? Funny that county got alot of funds look it up. There fire department did well. I could go on and on but whats the use. Maybe someone will pick up the ball and run with it. I think RG ran into problems that intertwined with the DEA AGENCY at which seemed to have alot of problems going on at the time with the justice department. RG stumbled on a name (Marshalls, Sparkles, Markles). Someone involved with this crap, someone corrupt. To what i understand the king is behind the curtain, "when the curtain falls it all- - - -- . Spirits don't lie!

[Cinderella]

Cloudbuster, you need lots of evidence. You don't have that yet.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Cinderella


In reference to J. J. Who is to say that there was a copy anywhere. Their might have been a CD around or paperwork, but who is to say that there was anything else. All week end people had access to his office.
He probably didn't keep that information at home.

If he was a paper and pencil type of person, maybe he had notes in his office.


Cind, my point is that anyone destroying the laptop, the "tosser," would have no way of knowing if RFG copied the the data laptop, unless the tosser was in proximity to the laptop from the time the data was first put onto the laptop. If RFG got the data, on Monday, for example, the "tosser," has no idea IF RFG made a duplicate or WHERE that duplicate would be, IF one existed.

You also raise another point. RFG might have made notes about the data, or even discussed it with someone else; the "tosser" would have no way of knowing.


Also I have asked time and time again. What was he to be a witness for on that Monday?

TG answered that. I was suppose to be in court to say that another attorney could examine a witness; if the judge didn't agree, RFG would do the examination himself.

[Cinderella]

Originally posted by J. J. in Phila


SNIP
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TG answered that. I was suppose to be in court to say that another attorney could examine a witness; if the judge didn't agree, RFG would do the examination himself. [/*]

I would like to know the whole situation. I think that is where our clue lies. Who was this person and what drug activity did it pertain about? Then I would be satisified. I wish that I knew the name and what it was about. I don't think someone wanted Ray there ever.

I wish there was a way of going back online and finding out his cases. I tried but I couldn't do it and don't know if a person can.
That is the place that I would start.

[Cinderella]

Also we do know that people were in Ray's office after his disappearance and also looking for things. Who is to say that someone didn't know prior to his going missing that there was a back up and where to find it.

Do I think LE is or anyone in the courthouse is corrupt? I would like not to but you have two corrupt men on the PA Drug Task Force that no one would have probably thought corrupt. No one also stated that they put the book on Mark Smith's desk.

The janitors left the doors open at night. Maybe they were connected somehow. I would like to think that everyone is honest and wouldn't harm anyone. There is proof otherwise.

Also TG might have answered what he knows, but it could have had farther reaching effects than TG would be aware of.

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by Cinderella


This is what I was told about the Pa Drug Task Force Region IV.

Region IV is based in State College, and includes the counties of Blair, Centre, Clearfield, Clinton, Huntingdon, Juniata, Lycoming, Mifflin, Montour, Northumberland, Potter, Snyder, Tioga and Union. The Regional Director (since Nov. '05) is Randy Feathers. [/*]

Did the 2 officers destroy just files and info on drug investigations in the Lycoming County or did they have access to the whole Region IV Drug Task Force files? Just how many areas did their destruction affect and were any of them concerning Centre County and Union County's big drug busts?

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Cinderella
Also we do know that people were in Ray's office after his disappearance and also looking for things. Who is to say that someone didn't know prior to his going missing that there was a back up and where to find it.


Yes, the BPD and the PSP. and no, I don't think all of them are corrupt.

I also that if we go the conspiracy route, you will end up involving dozens, if not hundreds of people.

[Cinderella]

J. J., Who said that all of them have to be corrupt?

[Cinderella]

Originally posted by sherrijean981


Did the 2 officers destroy just files and info on drug investigations in the Lycoming County or did they have access to the whole Region IV Drug Task Force files? Just how many areas did their destruction affect and were any of them concerning Centre County and Union County's big drug busts? [/*]


SherriJean,

That is what I would like to know.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Cinderella
J. J., Who said that all of them have to be corrupt? [/*]

Under your theory, both the PSP and BPD members, and some janitors would have to be.

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by Cinderella



SherriJean,

That is what I would like to know. [/*]

I was just doing searches on Lycoming County and found a link to one of our threads, and I had asked the question before. S1 said it would not have been.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:tBKtqvIVXBIJ:boards.insessiontrials .com/printthread.php%3Fs%3D3097*56fda224faff7a9ff202d91 12ee%26threadid%3D297778%26perpage%3D40%26pagenumb er%3D4+lycoming+county+drug+busts+2005&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us

[Cloudbuster]

I got a question? Why destroy the papers to begin with? What's so secret that a need exists to destroy all records pertaining to any DRUG busts? Is it because they planned on selling most of the proceeds of confiscated goods from the drug peoople that was busted? remember 8 of those how many total vechicles ended up in Ungard's possession and relatives of his. Where is the remainder? Who all has a vechicle or property related to this fiasco? Better questiono is how much properties of goods was STOLEN by saids in department...s??? Yes thats kicking a good reason for destroying all RECORDS now we have a opening of the many conspiring renagans!!! Pass me a brew.:cuss:

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster
I got a question? Why destroy the papers to begin with? What's so secret that a need exists to destroy all records pertaining to any DRUG busts? Is it because they planned on selling most of the proceeds of confiscated goods from the drug peoople that was busted? remember 8 of those how many total vechicles ended up in Ungard's possession and relatives of his. Where is the remainder? Who all has a vechicle or property related to this fiasco? Better questiono is how much properties of goods was STOLEN by saids in department...s??? Yes thats kicking a good reason for destroying all RECORDS now we have a opening of the many conspiring renagans!!! Pass me a brew.:cuss: [/*]

I would think they would be worried that the people who were arrested and the "goods" were then stolen that had been theirs, would come after them. I don't think there are too many drug dealers out there that like being stolen from, even by LE.

If all records of the arrests and investigations were stolen, how far back did that go and how many of the arrested people did they have to let go? Look at the money that county lost in fees.

[Cloudbuster]

Maybe they just play the shuffle as in hustle lol. See one county can take the other counties goods and nobody then notices anything. Let a little time go and walla you got vechicles ect on the rotation move county to county. I hate when I think big roflmao. :confused:

[Cinderella]

Thomas Ungard Criminal Docket


http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/PublicReporting/PublicReporting.aspx?rt=1&&ct=4&dkt=200738070&arch=0&ST=2/4/2008%2012:45:09%20PM


Dustin J. Kreitz Criminal Docket


http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/PublicReporting/PublicReporting.aspx?rt=1&&ct=4&dkt=200738069&arch=0&ST=2/4/2008%2012:52:16%20PM

[Serendipitous1]

I would not have overlooked the possibility of a "missing" beige or tan-colored car from the inventory. JMOO

[Cloudbuster]

S1 snarky good point and Im also thinking along the lines that a possible same one or add another is with RG.

[Cloudbuster]

I shoud add it's easier to dispose of evidence that way. Not a good thought but I have reasons for believing that.

[Cloudbuster]

Constables?
http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/crime_courts/story/381387.html

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster
Constables?
http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/crime_courts/story/381387.html [/*]

Centre County used to have one. He had been my friends step-father. He passed away ? years ago, and I never paid attention if they had another one, since I am now out of that county.

[J. J. in Phila]

In Pennsylvania, Constables are elected at the local level. They are officers of the court and generally serve legal papers.

They cannot even carry guns by virtue of their office (though the can take a training program and do so).

[Cloudbuster]

Does anyone know if there is proof where RG got his mini cooper? Anyone remember when? I was pondering on why RG might put the mini in PF's name. Im wondering if Courthouse employees and LE have a chance to purchase merchandise before it goes to the DEA drug bust sales? JJ where should the merchandise go after a drug bust is over in court????? Does it go to the national DEA in Johnstown or where? The one in Virginia is not the national one but the one in Johnstown is. Bush seems to hate where it is lol.

Ungard and the other obviously had first dibbs on the vechicles. So where was the vechicles supposed to end up at?:read:

[sherrijean981]

I thought cars, trucks, boats, etc, in a drug bust are stripped and searched entirely? If RG's car was in such good condition, and you think it was a drug bust car, did they not strip search it, or did they send it out to be restored? I thought someone said he bought it off a car dealership but don't remember who said or where it was.

[Cloudbuster]

Im just wondering about was it bought even at a dealer and later found out it was a place maybe not on the up you know. You never know. It just seems like RG didn't want to be owner for some reason? :read:

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster
Im just wondering about was it bought even at a dealer and later found out it was a place maybe not on the up you know. You never know. It just seems like RG didn't want to be owner for some reason? :read: [/*]

As far as know, they don't always disassemble the car.

There are numerous reasons he might not want the car in his name.

[Cloudbuster]

Originally posted by J. J. in Phila


As far as know, they don't always disassemble the car.

There are numerous reasons he might not want the car in his name. [/*]

Thats not what Im asking. Im asking when his car was purchased and where? I don't see why that would be personal? He stuck the car in PF's name why? She didn't seem to drive it much. Is there a reason why he wanted no connection personally to that car? If he was the owner why would that stand out? Why shy away from something your driving? Why was it more secure in PF's name? WHY WAS IT IMPORTANT TO LET THE COURTHOUSE EMPLOYEES BELIEVE IT WAS A GIFT??? Everyone has a reason for that and I do too so what was his? I know my reason but what is his reason? PF owned it but she sparingly drove it as said before. Aparently someone KNEW there was a second set of keys to take it home. More planning or just luck? Luck in this case roflmao I don't think so. :read:

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster


Thats not what Im asking. Im asking when his car was purchased and where? I don't see why that would be personal? He stuck the car in PF's name why? She didn't seem to drive it much. Is there a reason why he wanted no connection personally to that car? If he was the owner why would that stand out? Why shy away from something your driving? Why was it more secure in PF's name? WHY WAS IT IMPORTANT TO LET THE COURTHOUSE EMPLOYEES BELIEVE IT WAS A GIFT??? Everyone has a reason for that and I do too so what was his? I know my reason but what is his reason? PF owned it but she sparingly drove it as said before. Aparently someone KNEW there was a second set of keys to take it home. More planning or just luck? Luck in this case roflmao I don't think so. :read: [/*]

We have always gotten 2 sets of keys with the cars we bought. I think it is just for that reason, losing a set, or locking them in the car? I carry a set and my hubby carries a set of car keys to both vehicles.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster


Thats not what Im asking. Im asking when his car was purchased and where? I don't see why that would be personal? He stuck the car in PF's name why? She didn't seem to drive it much. Is there a reason why he wanted no connection personally to that car? If he was the owner why would that stand out? Why shy away from something your driving? Why was it more secure in PF's name? WHY WAS IT IMPORTANT TO LET THE COURTHOUSE EMPLOYEES BELIEVE IT WAS A GIFT??? Everyone has a reason for that and I do too so what was his? I know my reason but what is his reason? PF owned it but she sparingly drove it as said before. Aparently someone KNEW there was a second set of keys to take it home. More planning or just luck? Luck in this case roflmao I don't think so. :read: [/*]

I'm sole driver for my car, and had been for nearly twenty years prior to buying the car; I have a several sets of keys.

As I said, there were a number of reasons for RFG to put the car in PEF's name. Some are unrelated while some might be.

We cannot enter RFG's mind, so we'll never be also to state what his motivation was, at least without other evidence. I could easily say it points to walkaway or suicide, but there are reasons not related to either of those, e.g. a law suit, or even being worried about probate.

[Cloudbuster]

I was also asking about where does the money from a drug bust go? I called a officer to ask and her's the answer:

Everything seized is held in evidence until the accused is found guilty or pleads guilty. After (((all appeals have been heard,))) the money is given to the((( police department for official use,))) vehicles, equipment, undercover drug buys. Any drugs seized are destroyed.
Jesus is all I can say.:read:

[Cinderella]

I noticed a link that I think S1 posted. I was looking at homes and vehicles that they had for sale. I can't find the site at the moment.

Close to where I live the State Police have a gated in area where all the wrecked cars and other things are taken. They might have the auction sell a lot of vehicles in good use to get the money from them.

I also heard that the Police like to take down someone who has a maybe fancier vehicle than someone that has an older model.

I would think that the County of the drug busts should get the money and then give the Police Departments some of it.

[sherrijean981]

Originally posted by Cinderella


I also heard that the Police like to take down someone who has a maybe fancier vehicle than someone that has an older model.
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If the person has no job or a low paying job and driving a fancy car, is very often looked at as a dealer, especially, if a lot of activity from his home, people in and out in short time period. The fancier the car the more money being handled.
jmo