Brianna Denison, 19, UNR, Reno, 1/20/08[BODY FOUND]

[RiverWalk]

http://www.ktvn.com/Global/story.asp?S=7749283

[RiverWalk]

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/13942957.html

[happy2bme]

She is a beautiful young women. Praying she is found soon.:rose:

[RiverWalk]

http://m.rgj.com/news.jsp?key=18983&rc=lo

Reno police have new information in the case of a 19-year-old woman who disappeared under suspicious circumstances. Authorities say Brianna Denison of Reno was last seen at 1395 Mackay Court, near the University of Nevada, Reno at around 4 a.m. Sunday. Detectives are looking for a man who dropped off a friend of Denison's at the house where Denison went missing. The subject, described as a 45-year-old white man, drove a beige or light brown Chevrolet or GMC Suburban. The man is not considered a suspect, but may have critical information as to Denison's whereabouts. Detectives this morning also discovered that a 2-foot tall brown stuffed bear with white on the belly and multi-color balloons is missing. The bear is believed to be in Denison's possession. Denison is described as white, 5-feet tall, 98 pounds, with long dark brown hair and blue eyes. Investigators say she may have been wearing light blue or pink sweat pants and a white tank top. Anyone who may have information on Denison's whereabouts, or who sees the stuffed bear or has information about the driver of the SUV, should call the Reno Police Department at 334-2121, or Secret Witness at 322-4900.

[Breazy]

What a beatiful girl! How strange that her purse and cell were left but she may have this teddy bear with her. Wonder what time the friend was dropped off and if Brianna was there then? Also wondering about the blood on the pillow . . . how much blood?

:rose: Saying prayers for Brianna's safety.

[butterfly28]

I just read about this on the website of our local paper (rgj.com) and was still optimistic since it is early. However, after coming to the boards and reading the links posted, I read there was blood on the pillow. Suddenly I am not feeling so optimistic.

[butterfly28]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324345,00.html

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by RiverWalk
http://m.rgj.com/news.jsp?key=18983&rc=lo

Reno police have new information in the case of a 19-year-old woman who disappeared under suspicious circumstances. Authorities say Brianna Denison of Reno was last seen at 1395 Mackay Court, near the University of Nevada, Reno at around 4 a.m. Sunday. Detectives are looking for a man who dropped off a friend of Denison's at the house where Denison went missing. The subject, described as a 45-year-old white man, drove a beige or light brown Chevrolet or GMC Suburban. The man is not considered a suspect, but may have critical information as to Denison's whereabouts. Detectives this morning also discovered that a 2-foot tall brown stuffed bear with white on the belly and multi-color balloons is missing. The bear is believed to be in Denison's possession. Denison is described as white, 5-feet tall, 98 pounds, with long dark brown hair and blue eyes. Investigators say she may have been wearing light blue or pink sweat pants and a white tank top. Anyone who may have information on Denison's whereabouts, or who sees the stuffed bear or has information about the driver of the SUV, should call the Reno Police Department at 334-2121, or Secret Witness at 322-4900. [/*]

What do you guys make of the idea of the teddy bear and Brianna being missing but the phone and purse still there?

Not even 100 pounds, so I doubt she would have stood a chance in an abduction.

I wonder how much blood was found and if it was hers???

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Breazy
What a beatiful girl! How strange that her purse and cell were left but she may have this teddy bear with her. Wonder what time the friend was dropped off and if Brianna was there then? Also wondering about the blood on the pillow . . . how much blood?

:rose: Saying prayers for Brianna's safety. [/*]

I should have read down, but those are my exact concerns too. What a nightmare for any family and friends.

[wandering]

Sounds like someone hit her on the head as she lay sleeping. :chicken:

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by wandering
Sounds like someone hit her on the head as she lay sleeping. :chicken: [/*]

Or could have held a knife to her to keep her silent. Just given the idea the bear is missing too.

[butterfly28]

The details are confusing, but it sounded like she was at Heavenly earlier in the day then slept on a friends couch in Reno that night. (Where they found the blood).
I agree is sounds plausible someone hit her on the head maybe to quiet her so they could abduct her? But why take the bear? Maybe it had evidence and was taken along with her?

The POI is someone who dropped a friend off at that house sometime while Brianna was supposed to have been asleep. It would be helpful to know the details of the friend being dropped off (what that friend saw, etc.). I am sure we will know more soon....

[omsk99]

The amount of blood left on the pillow was small, so I wonder if the bear indeed had more of her blood or maybe even of her abductor, so he took it away with Brianna. She might had been sleeping with the bear :(

[RiverWalk]

New update:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4166053&page=1

[Maelstrom5]

I just saw this post.


omsk99 I agree with you, I think the bear had blood or some other genetic material on it.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by RiverWalk
New update:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4166053&page=1 [/*]

Thanks for the update. That explains while the bear was gone, she was using it as an additional pillow, possibly there was too much blood on it :(

I also take it from this article that the friend who was dropped off by this man was unacquainted with him, he simply picked her up on he street because she couldn't find a cab. Is that how you see it too?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
I just saw this post.


omsk99 I agree with you, I think the bear had blood or some other genetic material on it. [/*]

Unfortunately, it sounds more and more like it. And she left without her shoes, cell phone and purse...

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by omsk99


I also take it from this article that the friend who was dropped off by this man was unacquainted with him, he simply picked her up on he street because she couldn't find a cab. Is that how you see it too? [/*]

Yes, unfortunately. Reno still feels like a relatively small city to a lot of residents so that type of thing isn't too uncommon here. Maybe they had met at the Sands. The distance between the Sands and the house she was staying at was not great and would've only taken 5 minutes or so driving time.

Also it has been snowing all day here and is not showing signs of slowing down. That never helps an investigation unless of course it prevented anyone with information from leaving the area.

[ELENDA100]

Doesn't the friend that was dropped off know who the person that took her home was?? Really strange to me.

[Breazy]

I'm a little confused by this article . . .

Is the friend who gave her the teddy bear to use as a pillow the same friend who was brought home by this man? Sounds like they are two different people, but not sure. And if they are one in the same, wonder why they didn't come home together and how and when Brianna had been brought home? The article also stated this man brought the friend home around 1 a.m. but they didn't go to bed until 4 a.m. Makes me wonder if this man actually came inside and hung out when bringing the friend home, then after leaving and them going to bed, he returned. Sadly, I don't believe this is going to end well.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Breazy
I'm a little confused by this article . . .

Is the friend who gave her the teddy bear to use as a pillow the same friend who was brought home by this man? Sounds like they are two different people, but not sure. And if they are one in the same, wonder why they didn't come home together and how and when Brianna had been brought home? The article also stated this man brought the friend home around 1 a.m. but they didn't go to bed until 4 a.m. Makes me wonder if this man actually came inside and hung out when bringing the friend home, then after leaving and them going to bed, he returned. Sadly, I don't believe this is going to end well. [/*]

There were other roommates in the house, I don't think the person who gave Brianna the pillow and who brought Brianna the pillow are the same person. It sounds to me that person was dropped off by a man AFTER Brianna had gone to sleep, which would have been after 4 am.

[Maelstrom5]

It is vitally important that the police interview both women. The one who gave Brianna the bear as well as the one who got a lift home.

This guy sounds like he was out trolling. I'm not sure why he did not take the first girl. If he hit on her it could be she said something that turned him off. (sorry its my time of the month, I have a fiancé, I am a virgin) something that did not play into his fantasy. As only a small amount of blood was found on the pillow and nothing was found on the couch, Brianna could still be alive but they need to move fast.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by omsk99


There were other roommates in the house, I don't think the person who gave Brianna the pillow and who brought Brianna the pillow are the same person. It sounds to me that person was dropped off by a man AFTER Brianna had gone to sleep, which would have been after 4 am. [/*]


The above article stated that this man picked up the friend around 1 a.m. and that the ride home was without incident. It doesn't actually state what time he dropped her off at the house but it was only about a 5 minute drive. If Brianna and friend went to sleep at 4 a.m., they had to have been awake when other friend was dropped off by man unless man and friend rode around for 3 hours.

[omsk99]

~snip

"The man driving the vehicle had picked up a friend of Denison's earlier that evening from the party both were attending when the friend was trying to hail a cab and dropped her off without incident at Mackay Court, the residence where she lived and Denison was staying, McDonald told FOXNews.com.

"We don't know who he is," McDonald said. "We know he was outside the residence, but he could have come back. ... Maybe he saw something or knows something that might be of interest."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324345,00.html

So it really sounds like the girl that was dropped off just met him at the party when she was leaving, and didn't know who he was. Strange their didn't exchange names, though :confused:

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Breazy



The above article stated that this man picked up the friend around 1 a.m. and that the ride home was without incident. It doesn't actually state what time he dropped her off at the house but it was only about a 5 minute drive. If Brianna and friend went to sleep at 4 a.m., they had to have been awake when other friend was dropped off by man unless man and friend rode around for 3 hours. [/*]

I just posted an article that says he might have returned to the house. He might have noticed they didn't lock the door.

[omsk99]

This doesn't make sense, another snip from the article I just posted:

"but a brown stuffed bear that belonged to Denison is also missing, police said."

now it says it was BRIANNA'S bear??? I really can't imagine her going to a party with a stuffed bear? Unless they mean she was in its possession at the time
:shrug:

[Maelstrom5]

Breazy

Good catch on the timeframe. I think we should take the roommates statements as to drinking/drugs with a grain of salt at the moment.

It will not be the first time that young women do not tell the police the 100 % truth when first asked. That’s why I feel it so important to re-interview them.

God please.. not another Brianna.
www.myspace.com/maelstrom5

[Breazy]

Originally posted by omsk99


I just posted an article that says he might have returned to the house. He might have noticed they didn't lock the door. [/*]


I just thought about something. I may have been looking at this backwards. I was assuming that Brianna and friend were already home when other friend was dropped off. Now it sounds more like when this man took the one friend home, Brianna and other friend were still out. They came in later and went to bed (around 4 a.m.) Probable that friend who was dropped off was already in bed asleep and didn't see Brianna and friend when they came home. Man could have then returned later after Brianna and friend got home and that's when abduction occurred. He could have had intentions of victim being girl he brought home but found Brianna sleeping on the couch. Or he could have seen Brianna at the party since he was there also and intentionally returned to the house after Brianna and friend arrived.

[omsk99]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/555365/reno_teen_brianna_denison_believed.html

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Breazy



I just thought about something. I may have been looking at this backwards. I was assuming that Brianna and friend were already home when other friend was dropped off. Now it sounds more like when this man took the one friend home, Brianna and other friend were still out. They came in later and went to bed (around 4 a.m.) Probable that friend who was dropped off was already in bed asleep and didn't see Brianna and friend when they came home. Man could have then returned later after Brianna and friend got home and that's when abduction occurred. He could have had intentions of victim being girl he brought home but found Brianna sleeping on the couch. Or he could have seen Brianna at the party since he was there also and intentionally returned to the house after Brianna and friend arrived. [/*]

I think the latter would be more probable, if he knew she was going to stay at that friend's house. Otherwise, I don't see why he wouldn't have seized to kidnap that girl while driving her home.

[Maelstrom5]

Breazy

Your new sequence makes sense. He give the first girl a ride home and finds out she is one of several young women in the house, then sits back and waits. When the other girls come home, and the lights go out, he goes back. Brianna may not have been the target, just the one most vulnerable.

Why not just take the first? Well people saw him with her. If the cops catch him he can say, yes I was there, I gave the woman a lift home. So what? You have my DNA in the house, big deal.

[Rick777]

I guess the bear was 2 feet tall. really strange.

I don't understand why 19 year old girls are getting a ride with a 45 year old man anyway. I guess he was at one of the casino's nearby.

I'm getting so disgusted with women being kidnapped, then found dead. It seems like one a day lately.

[Rick777]

The early reports were that the guy was of hispanic desent, and now they are just saying white male. ????? Is that a change, or are they being politically correct????

[mollybrown]

Nancy Grace is covering it RIGHT now LOL

[bred]

Nancy asked the Aunt about a body being found. She was not aware of that. Is it being reported anywhere?

[ELENDA100]

Originally posted by bred
Nancy asked the Aunt about a body being found. She was not aware of that. Is it being reported anywhere? [/*]
I heard that also. confusing that the Aunt wasn't aware of that.

[bred]

And I'm not finding anything on FOX. I thought it was a risky question. It could have greatly upset the Aunt.

[Heidi J.]

Originally posted by omsk99


I think the latter would be more probable, if he knew she was going to stay at that friend's house. Otherwise, I don't see why he wouldn't have seized to kidnap that girl while driving her home. [/*]

Hmmm.. Not sure why. Maybe he thought about it and came back. It would make sence he would grab Brianna because she was on the couch. The friend was upstairs.

My bear goes with me everywhere. She could have packed her bag knowing she would spend the night.

[RiverWalk]

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/13957532.html

$100,000 reward being offered + more photos

Brianna's aunt says the boyfriend was in Reno Friday night, but was supposed to return to college the next day. She says police are also looking closely at another ex-boyfriend who lives out of town, as well as a 45-year-old man who gave the girls a ride home after the party. Police have this surveillance video of the man's car leaving the parking lot of "Sands."

[RiverWalk]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080121/NEWS18/80121018&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

In the hours before her disappearance, Denison had been partaking in activities in Reno associated with the SWAT 72 college snowboarding event being held at Squaw Valley USA resort. Police say she had gone to a rap concert and had been at the Sands Hotel and Casino.

http://www.swatup.com/trips/college-trips/swat-72.html

SWAT 72 Snowboarding Trip:

MLK Weekend in Reno

(January 18-21, 2008)

[bred]

So the man they are looking for is "harmless Ian" who is a friend? And he drove home which 2 girls?

I hope today Brianna will be found alive. The blood tells us there may be an injury, but she could still be alive.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by bred
So the man they are looking for is "harmless Ian" who is a friend? And he drove home which 2 girls?

I hope today Brianna will be found alive. The blood tells us there may be an injury, but she could still be alive. [/*]

Could be alive, but injured. One of the reports on TV last night said in that same area, that BD went missing, was another abduction. The girl was abducted raped and then returned!! The LE that was talking did not think the cases were related. :shrug:

[Maelstrom5]

Ok, so now the guy who gave them a ride goes from being a stranger to being a “good friend”? who is harmless?

And the boyfriend goes from being out of state to being someone who was “saying awful things” and who may or may not have been out of state.


About the man who gave them a ride, from KT Hunter, one of Brianna’s friends

"That's a good friend, Ian, who took us home so we wouldn't have to get a cab or anything, but no, he's harmless," said Hunter.


About Brianna’s boyfriends from her Aunt, Rena Denison

Rena says police are investigating Brianna's most recent boyfriend, a young college student who lives in Oregon. She says he and Brianna exchanged a series of text messages the night she disappeared.

"Just awful. They were breaking up kind of stuff, saying awful things, calling her all kinds of names. He's just young and jealous," said Denison.

Brianna's aunt says the boyfriend was in Reno Friday night, but was supposed to return to college the next day. She says police are also looking closely at another ex-boyfriend who lives out of town, as well as a 45-year-old man who gave the girls a ride home after the party. Police have this surveillance video of the man's car leaving the parking lot of "Sands."

Well, now I am confused :shrug: If the guy is so harmless and a friend, why has he not come foward? If the boyfriend was saying terrible things why was he not checked out first?

[RiverWalk]

LE on Fox News Channel. Two "incidents" in the same area. #1 was an abduction and rape and the girl was returned safely. #2 was fondled but was not abducted. Looking to see if they all link together.

POI (Suburban guy) has not contacted LE. A dog in the house did not alert when the sliding glass door was opened to abduct Brianna. Still interviewing people for information.

[bred]

So Ian was the one who drove K.T. and Brianna home?

[wandering]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
It is vitally important that the police interview both women. The one who gave Brianna the bear as well as the one who got a lift home.

This guy sounds like he was out trolling. I'm not sure why he did not take the first girl. If he hit on her it could be she said something that turned him off. (sorry its my time of the month, I have a fiancé, I am a virgin) something that did not play into his fantasy. As only a small amount of blood was found on the pillow and nothing was found on the couch, Brianna could still be alive but they need to move fast. [/*]It's also possible that the guy who gave them a ride had nothing to do with Brianna's disappearance. I heard on I think it was Greta, that the door (patio?) had no curtain, and the sofa was clearly visible from the outside.

Didn't they also say the door was not locked?

I'd say if the guy who gave them a ride doesn't come forward quickly, he could very well be a suspect.

Also, the blood on the pillow could be the perps. If whomever it was covered her mouth with his hand, she could have bitten it hard. I would.

Wasn't that blood mixed with saliva and mucous?

[wandering]

i've always heard that Reno is a high-crime area. I've avoided it for that reason.


http://reno.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm

[Maelstrom5]

TY EG~Lives,

Ok, so the first girl got a ride from a stranger and KT and Brianna got a ride from a friend, Ian. The police are looking for the first person (Suburban guy) who is at this time unknown.

wandering,

I have not ruled out the possibility that this could be a stranger abduction. RiverWalk pointed out the fact that police have had reports of sexual assaults in the area, but statically when a person is abducted it is usually by someone they know, although that familiarity may just be in passing.

[bred]

TY EG~LIVES...finally I can make sense of this coming home business. So K.T. and Brianna arrive first, get in their respective beds, and then another roommate enters(the one driven by the stranger). She sees Brianna at 4AM and then, upon awakening at 9AM, Brianna is gone. Correct me if I'm off.

Did this driver get out of the car when dropping roommate off? She'll know the answer to that...but we don't right now, I'm just questioning the whole scene.

[iluvmua]

Originally posted by Breazy



I just thought about something. I may have been looking at this backwards. I was assuming that Brianna and friend were already home when other friend was dropped off. Now it sounds more like when this man took the one friend home, Brianna and other friend were still out. They came in later and went to bed (around 4 a.m.) Probable that friend who was dropped off was already in bed asleep and didn't see Brianna and friend when they came home. Man could have then returned later after Brianna and friend got home and that's when abduction occurred. He could have had intentions of victim being girl he brought home but found Brianna sleeping on the couch. Or he could have seen Brianna at the party since he was there also and intentionally returned to the house after Brianna and friend arrived. [/*]

This does make a lot of sense.

[iluvmua]

In this article: news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080122/NEWS01/801220346/1002

'K.T.' said that she went to sleep in her locked bedroom with her dog.

So, is it common for people to lock their bedroom doors when they go to sleep? I find this funny, considering how the patio glass door was not locked.

go to www.rgj.com and click on the first link under top news : Woman's family: we want her back to read the article.

[Maelstrom5]

iluvmua

"So, is it common for people to lock their bedroom doors when they go to sleep? I find this funny, considering how the patio glass door was not locked."

No, its not. This is why Brianna's friends need to tell the police EVERYTHING about that night. It is not the time to worry about your, or your friends, reputation. If they were drinking of using drugs they need to tell the police that fact, right now.

A few posts ago I mentioned.. not another Brianna. The Brianna I was referring to is Brianna Maitland, missing since March 19 2004.

In Bri's case her friends did not tell the police or her parents Bruce and Kellie everything at first. When they did, it was to late.

[obi]

FNC is fixin to have a story on BD incl an interview with the friends. They said that an hour ago though.

[obi]

Okay so it was Jessica that was brought home by the stranger. She asked for him to come forward. (source: FNC)

Brianna and KT apparently came home with Ian at a different time. JMO

[omsk99]

~snip

"Denison's friend, K.T. Hunter, told the Reno Gazette-Journal that the couch is against the wall of the bedroom where she was sleeping with her dog.

She said she never heard a noise and that the dog never barked.

Hunter said Denison was sober the night she vanished, and had planned to pack Monday to go back to Santa Barbara.

Investigators also were looking into the possibility that her disappearance is related to attacks against two female students at the University of Nevada, Reno, late last year. Both women were grabbed from behind and sexually assaulted in the early morning hours in November and December. No arrests have been made."

http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/455317.html

This one says the friend did NOT know the man who brought her home, that she approached him at the concert :confused: Also says the bear was NOT Brianna's. How many more conflicting reports are we going to have?!

[Pinetree]

sheesh....so confusing!

Brianna was last seen sleeping on the couch. Using a teddy bear as a pillow. Glass door not locked.

Roommates say they got up that morning and no Brianna. They figured she went upstairs to sleep in another girls room. Made breakfast and then went to get Brianna....she's not there. Oh...and they did find it odd that the blanket Brianna was using on the couch was found on the kitchen floor......uh...yes, that would have been a clue that things weren't quite right!!

On Fox, the friend told anchor person that Brianna was wearing sweats and a "wife beater" to sleep in. The Fox person was speechless for a second.

I hope the LE are looking closely at the bf...I'm sure they are.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Pinetree
sheesh....so confusing!

Brianna was last seen sleeping on the couch. Using a teddy bear as a pillow. Glass door not locked.

Roommates say they got up that morning and no Brianna. They figured she went upstairs to sleep in another girls room. Made breakfast and then went to get Brianna....she's not there. Oh...and they did find it odd that the blanket Brianna was using on the couch was found on the kitchen floor......uh...yes, that would have been a clue that things weren't quite right!!

On Fox, the friend told anchor person that Brianna was wearing sweats and a "wife beater" to sleep in. The Fox person was speechless for a second.

I hope the LE are looking closely at the bf...I'm sure they are. [/*]

Is that info from Fox? Sorry, I didn't see most of it anywhere else :seeya:

[bred]

I'm sure, by now, many tips have come in on that vehicle. He makes himself appear guilty by not coming in on his own.

How long does it take to find out if it was Brianna's blood?

A sliding patio door is often, almost silent. Easy entry, easy exit.

How cold was it early Sunday AM?

[obi]

Originally posted by omsk99


Is that info from Fox? Sorry, I didn't see most of it anywhere else :seeya: [/*]Yea, omsk. From the interview on FNC. KT and Jessica were interviewed.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by obi
Yea, omsk. From the interview on FNC. KT and Jessica were interviewed. [/*]

Thank you :)

A new article:

~snip

"Lt. Robert McDonald, who heads the robbery/homicide unit, listed the following reasons why Denison's disappearance is being treated as suspicious:

# Suspected blood, about the size of a silver dollar, was found on a pillow she was using.

# Her clothing, cell phone, purse and shoes remained at the house. She might have left the home barefoot and wore a thin, sleeveless top and sweatpants. The temperature in Reno about 5 a.m. Sunday was 33 degrees.

# She was sleeping on a couch inches away from an unlocked, glass front door. Anyone looking inside could have seen her.

# A brown stuffed bear Denison's friend gave her to support the pillow is missing.

# She was due back today at Santa Barbara, Calif., where she is a psychology student at Santa Barbara City College.

# A man had given one of her friends a ride to the home earlier that morning and was aware at least one young woman lived there. He did not go inside the house and is being sought by police for questioning. He is not being called a suspect.

# Described as a responsible "good girl" who has a close relationship with her mother, Denison has made no contact with her family. She also has a younger brother, Brighton."

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080122/NEWS01/801220346/1016/NEWS

[omsk99]

Originally posted by bred
I'm sure, by now, many tips have come in on that vehicle. He makes himself appear guilty by not coming in on his own.

How long does it take to find out if it was Brianna's blood?

A sliding patio door is often, almost silent. Easy entry, easy exit.

How cold was it early Sunday AM? [/*]

The temperature was 33 degrees at 5 am on Sunday :(

[obi]

Originally posted by bred
<snip for space>

How cold was it early Sunday AM? [/*]
Jan 20, 2008 3:55 AM
Temp 34.0 °F
Humidity 54%
Visibility 10.0 miles
Wind from the east at 4.6 mph
Precipitation N/A
Mostly Cloudy

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KRNO/2008/1/20/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Reno&req_state=NV&req_statename=Nevada

[HopeDiamond]

I get soooo frustrated when I see that a LOCKED door could have made the difference in a young woman living or dying. I hope this girl is found alive, but it doesn't look good. Ugh!

[bred]

TY omsk99. That clears up 2 things. It was NOT a sliding glass door and Jessica came home BEFORE Brianna and K.T.

Pretty cold that AM. I would have thought the blanket would have gone with her.

Does anyone know how close a vehicle can park to that door with glass in it?

[omsk99]

This article has more contradicting information (she slept in K.T.'s bedroom on the couch, the glass door was open etc), but it's SUCH a beautiful picture of her

http://findthemissing.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/missing-from-reno-brianna-dennison/

[omsk99]

Brianna on AMW:

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=52576

:rose:

[iluvmua]

Maybe K.T. could not hear anything because she is a heavy sleeper.

How many people were asleep in the house when Brianna went missing?

Was Brianna the only person not sleeping in a bedroom?

I'm wondering why Brianna did not share a room with one of her friends?

[wandering]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
TY EG~Lives,

Ok, so the first girl got a ride from a stranger and KT and Brianna got a ride from a friend, Ian. The police are looking for the first person (Suburban guy) who is at this time unknown.

wandering,

I have not ruled out the possibility that this could be a stranger abduction. RiverWalk pointed out the fact that police have had reports of sexual assaults in the area, but statically when a person is abducted it is usually by someone they know, although that familiarity may just be in passing. [/*]I agree, maybe a stalker, who saw her there, and seized the moment.

[obi]

Originally posted by bred
TY omsk99. That clears up 2 things. It was NOT a sliding glass door and Jessica came home BEFORE Brianna and K.T.

Pretty cold that AM. I would have thought the blanket would have gone with her.

Does anyone know how close a vehicle can park to that door with glass in it? [/*]I just looked the address up on google earth and if it is showing the correct house, it is on a corner. Parking on the street on 2 sides. It also looks like there is access on a third side. A driveway to another building. I don't know which side has the door. I assume it's on one of the street sides and fairly close to the curb. To see, look up 1395 Mackay Ct.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by iluvmua
Maybe K.T. could not hear anything because she is a heavy sleeper.

How many people were asleep in the house when Brianna went missing?

Was Brianna the only person not sleeping in a bedroom?

I'm wondering why Brianna did not share a room with one of her friends? [/*]

I read that it's a four-person sorority house, and Brianna slept in the living room (I don't trust the other article that says she was on a couch of K.T.'s bedroom). I don't know if all four roommates were there, but we we know that at least another one was, the one who was dropped off by the stranger.

[omsk99]

"The Reno Police Department said this morning the FBI has joined the investigation into the disappearance of a missing 19-year-old Reno woman."

More at the link

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20080122&Kategori=NEWS18&Lopenr=80122018&Ref=AR

[omsk99]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=J7&Date=20080121&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=121001&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=1&rgj_description=&rgj_date=

[Breazy]

This case has had conflicting reports from the beginning. Kinda makes it hard for us keyboard detectives!!!

The man in the Suburban is looking more guilty as time goes by. If he had nothing to hide, he would surely come forward. It's hard for me to believe that he doesn't know he's being sought.

I just pray Brianna is safe but really scared that's not the case.

[omsk99]

Although the aunt said her boy-friend was in Reno, the LE say he was NOT, he was in Oregon:

"The boyfriend was in Reno Friday night, but according to Rena Denison, was supposed to go back to college the next day, KOLO-TV reported.

But the commander of the Reno Police detectives division told FOXNews.com that Denison's boyfriend is not a suspect in the case and he was in Oregon the night she vanished.

"The aunt identified him as a suspect and that is just not true," said Cmdr. Ron Holladay. "He was of course very upset about that. ... At this point, we don’t have any reason to believe that he is a suspect in her disappearance."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324568,00.html

ETA: To answer an earlier question, one roommate was gone, so it would have been either 3 or 4 of them total at home.

[wandering]

Originally posted by omsk99
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=J7&Date=20080121&Category=NEWS&ArtNo=121001&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=1&rgj_description=&rgj_date= [/*]Thanks for the link. Gorgeous young girls, having fun and just beginning their adulthood. Minus one at the moment. :rose:

[wandering]

Originally posted by Breazy
This case has had conflicting reports from the beginning. Kinda makes it hard for us keyboard detectives!!!

The man in the Suburban is looking more guilty as time goes by. If he had nothing to hide, he would surely come forward. It's hard for me to believe that he doesn't know he's being sought.

I just pray Brianna is safe but really scared that's not the case. [/*]Yes, it looks that way. Too bad cars are not required to have front license plates anymore. That should be remedied NOW. Money is not as important as people's lives. If there were two license plates, this auto owner would already be identified. :(

[omsk99]

Originally posted by wandering
Yes, it looks that way. Too bad cars are not required to have front license plates anymore. That should be remedied NOW. Money is not as important as people's lives. If there were two license plates, this auto owner would already be identified. :( [/*]

I didn't know it was no longer required to have a front license place anymore, wow. That is really too bad, that video would have captured it, very good thought!

Sounds like all LE have are that man, but he was at the house at 1 am, whereas Brianna came home at 4 am. BF was in Oregon, LE confirmed. That means someone random?... The dog didn't bark, so it's possible it was someone who frequented the house... So odd, and so sad :(

[darcie]

Hi ya all. I have been trying to keep up with the case. Work makes it hard sometimes.

I just wanted to say initially, that I too found it strange that a person would sleep in their bedroom with the door locked. But after I thought about it, I can see where a young girl would do that. Especially if she was sharing the house with other young girls. Maybe on occassions one of the roommates had friends over, people in and out, this would guarantee no one coming into your room while sleeping. Opening the door thinking it was the bathroom instead of being a bedroom. I tend to think it would keep them safe from others if this kind of thing went on.

Praying that this young beautiful woman is found........

[Amy S.]

Yes, in a home that is leased out to seperate renters, the BR doors are all keyed seperately. The door might lock when closed.

It is probably a home with several small bedrooms and there might not have been room for Brianna to sleep in there. Some girls prefer not to sleep together, anymore.

I heard the girls that were there, say that the Chihuahua did not bark. (Or that they didn't hear it.)

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Amy S.
Yes, in a home that is leased out to seperate renters, the BR doors are all keyed seperately. The door might lock when closed.

It is probably a home with several small bedrooms and there might not have been room for Brianna to sleep in there. Some girls prefer not to sleep together, anymore.

I heard the girls that were there, say that the Chihuahua did not bark. (Or that they didn't hear it.) [/*]

I read that there was at least one vacant bedroom (of another roommate), but I am sure Brianna wouldn't invade her provacy by sleeping in her bedroom when that girl was away. K.T. Hunter, her friend, said the dog did not bark.

[sjb]

Originally posted by darcie
Hi ya all. I have been trying to keep up with the case. Work makes it hard sometimes.

I just wanted to say initially, that I too found it strange that a person would sleep in their bedroom with the door locked. But after I thought about it, I can see where a young girl would do that. Especially if she was sharing the house with other young girls. Maybe on occassions one of the roommates had friends over, people in and out, this would guarantee no one coming into your room while sleeping. Opening the door thinking it was the bathroom instead of being a bedroom. I tend to think it would keep them safe from others if this kind of thing went on.

Praying that this young beautiful woman is found........ [/*]

My sister shares a large, beautiful home with 3 room-mates (a married couple, and a single person). They each have their own bathroom but share the common areas of the house, kitchen, etc. But, they generally keep to their own rooms when not using the kitchen. When I visited her in June of last year I noticed they didn't lock the main doors, the front door, or door into the garage. I told her it didn't seem very safe, and worried about it all of the time. My sister said she didn't really like that they kept it unlocked, but they did it so visitors wouldn't disturb the whole house when coming over to see someone. They live in Alaska and for some reason, people still don't lock their doors much there. - Anyway, my sister locked her bedroom door at all times, even during the day when she was home and in her room.

But, things have changed recently and they've all become more cautious. I talked to her a few days ago and she told me they now lock the door at all times. I was glad to hear it.

[omsk99]

http://www.cityofreno.com/Index.aspx?page=1005&recordid=1111&returnURL=%fIndex.aspx%3fpage%3d198

[omsk99]

Actually, now that I look at the photo of the van again, there is a front license plate on it, but you can't see anything on it because it's such a grainy photo.

[omsk99]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080121/NEWS18/80121024

[obi]

I don't think it's strange that KT had her bedroom door locked as darcie said in a previous post. I do think it's starnge that BD or someone didn't lock the outside door/s since she was going to be sleeping in the living room.

As far as the dog not barking is concerned, we have 2 poodles here and during the day they can be asleep and still hear a car pull up and someone coming in the house and bark their heads off, even if it's us, but at night, when they are in the bedroom with the owner and any of us come home late, they never bark, unless we make a big racket.

I believe it's been narrowed down to Jessica coming home at 1 am and BD and KT coming home sometime later (not sure when or whether they were together). KT's bedroom adjacent to the living room. Not sure where Jessica's room was. That makes at least 3 in the house. KT said that when they got up, they didn't think much of BD not being on the couch, thinking she might be upstairs in another girls room, but when they checked that room or saw the blood or both, they became suspicious and called LE.

I think BD got home before 4 am, because somewhere I read that she was last seen by KT on the couch asleep or almost asleep at 4 am.

I'm torn between the ex bf or the stranger being the perp. I'm leaning towards the stranger. Drops off Jessica at 1am. Then thinks about her for a while and goes back. Maybe he thought BD was Jessica. Or didn't care at that point. :shrug:

[omsk99]

The LE confirmed that Jessica was dropped off 3 hours before Brianna and K.T. came home from the same party. That man was at the same party, maybe he found out she was staying with them? I guess her friends would know if she talked to him, though.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=4172264&page=2

[wandering]

Originally posted by omsk99


I read that there was at least one vacant bedroom (of another roommate), but I am sure Brianna wouldn't invade her provacy by sleeping in her bedroom when that girl was away. K.T. Hunter, her friend, said the dog did not bark. [/*]A chihuahua that doesn't bark? :confused:

[omsk99]

Originally posted by wandering
A chihuahua that doesn't bark? :confused: [/*]

Maybe just very sound asleep :shrug:

O/T Heath Ledger died today of drug overdose :(

[obi]

Originally posted by wandering
A chihuahua that doesn't bark? :confused: [/*]Speedy Gonzales never barked, that I remember anyway.
JMO

[Brooke]

Originally posted by wandering
A chihuahua that doesn't bark? :confused: [/*]

??? Very interesting... I have two Chi's that bark at everything! The wind blows wrong and they go nuts!

[wandering]

Originally posted by omsk99


Maybe just very sound asleep :shrug:

O/T Heath Ledger died today of drug overdose :( [/*]I heard that Chihuahuas make wonderful watch dogs. Ya can't catch 'em and ya can't shut 'em up.

My grannie's chihuahuas drove us nuts when we went there.

I never heard of one that didn't bark. :confused:

I'm not buying that.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by wandering
I heard that Chihuahuas make wonderful watch dogs. Ya can't catch 'em and ya can't shut 'em up.

My grannie's chihuahuas drove us nuts when we went there.

I never heard of one that didn't bark. :confused:

I'm not buying that. [/*]

But I also can't imagine her very good friend would have anything to do with that :eek:

[wandering]

Originally posted by RachelRose
In re-reading, this kind of seems like a nobrainer to me.

It sounds like it's the boyfriend, who was very upset she was breaking up with him.

I really hope they don't let that trail grow cold looking for some mystery man who offered them a ride. [/*]It does seem strange that he high-tailed it home so fast. :confused:

[wandering]

Originally posted by omsk99


But I also can't imagine her very good friend would have anything to do with that :eek: [/*]To do with the crime? I didn't mean that at all. I just think the dog did bark, but chihuahuas bark all the time, and maybe they ignored it that morning, and feel bad about it, or ashamed. :shrug:

[Maelstrom5]

From FOX NEWS

" Rena Denison, said detectives are investigating her niece's boyfriend, according to KOLO-TV.

"Just awful," her aunt told KOLO-TV about the text messages Denison and her boyfriend exchanged the night she disappeared. "They were breaking up kind of stuff, saying awful things, calling her all kinds of names. He's just young and jealous."

The boyfriend was in Reno Friday night, but according to Rena Denison, was supposed to go back to college the next day, KOLO-TV reported.

But the commander of the Reno Police detectives division told FOXNews.com that Denison's boyfriend is not a suspect in the case and he was in Oregon the night she vanished.

"The aunt identified him as a suspect and that is just not true," said Cmdr. Ron Holladay. "He was of course very upset about that. ... At this point, we don’t have any reason to believe that he is a suspect in her disappearance."

The pair were text-messaging the night Denison was last seen, including "just prior to her disappearance," Holladay said."

If this information is accurate it should be ease to rule the boyfriend in, or out, as they should be able to trace the location he was sending the text messages from.

[Amy S.]

With the aunt making these kind of allegations against the BF, she could send the investigation in the wrong direction. Or, get the BF beat up or killed.

Hopefully, I would give that information to the police and not to the public.

You wouldn't want him to flee, if he was in the area.

[bred]

Good point about the boyfriend's anger. And, yes, LE will know his Sunday AM location soon. It could be that(horribly)simple.

I think she had to be unconscious or she would have put up one heck of a fight. I know she's tiny but would have screamed enough to alert the dog.

[Pinetree]

The dog was locked in the bedroom with the friend. Guess it's a sound sleeper.

I can't believe that these girls had a glass front door, unlocked! Did it have blinds or a shade on it??

[wandering]

Dan Abrams has just reported that LE has cleared the POI, the guy that gave the ride home. Don't have any details, sorry.

[wandering]

KT Hunter, Brianna's friend on Greta. She said either the dog didn't bark or she didn't hear it. The man who gave the ride came forward and talked to LE. He appeared to be a normal individual, and did not behave out of line, she said. "Absolutely not," she said.

[wandering]

Greta said Brianna disappeared between 4 and 9 AM.

Brianna's aunt on Greta. Not clear on the BF relationship. He left Reno on Friday. Brianna's last text message was at 4:20 AM. Doesn't know who the text messages were to or from. "Brianna is the most responsible young woman I know." She would contact her family.

[Nellie]

I'm just trying to catch up on this story and saw it on Greta tonight. I also saw these two girlfriends being interviewed the other night on tv too....maybe on Greta. I got a "funny feeling" about them the first night and an even odder feeling about them tonight. When the second girl was talking, did anyone else notice some whispering in the background? I got the impression someone was whispering to her telling her what she should say...she'd hesitate sometimes before giving her answers. I don't know....something just did not "feel right".

Also, seems that second girl is way too naive/trusting....to accept a ride with a total stranger! What is wrong with people???? :punch:

I just get a "funny feeling" from her girlfriends.

One other thing...do we know if the missing girl was drunk when she came to their house and crashed on the couch?

[wandering]

Originally posted by Nellie
I'm just trying to catch up on this story and saw it on Greta tonight. I also saw these two girlfriends being interviewed the other night on tv too....maybe on Greta. I got a "funny feeling" about them the first night and an even odder feeling about them tonight. When the second girl was talking, did anyone else notice some whispering in the background? I got the impression someone was whispering to her telling her what she should say...she'd hesitate sometimes before giving her answers. I don't know....something just did not "feel right".

Also, seems that second girl is way too naive/trusting....to accept a ride with a total stranger! What is wrong with people???? :punch:

I just get a "funny feeling" from her girlfriends.

One other thing...do we know if the missing girl was drunk when she came to their house and crashed on the couch? [/*]I think they all were. It's Natalie Holloway, all over again.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Pinetree
The dog was locked in the bedroom with the friend. Guess it's a sound sleeper.

I can't believe that these girls had a glass front door, unlocked! Did it have blinds or a shade on it?? [/*]Can't buy that about the dog.

No, the glass door didn't have any covering. That was reported on NG last night. It was said that you could see the sofa where she slept clearly.

[NatalieB]

There is a poster on another board that I go to and she said her boss is friends with the girl's mother.

I don't know if she'll come over here or not, but I did invite here. I didn't even realize this thread was here, so I suggested she start a thread. Anyway, I'm not up to speed on this one, so I don't know how much media coverage this case is getting. I told her to come here for some advice on what she can do. I hope you'll all welcome her and maybe offer some suggestions if she does come.

We see this way too often. :rose:

[bred]

Ian is harmless.

POI has been cleared.

Boyfriend was in Oregon(per LE).

We're back to square one, but hopefully LE isn't.

That was K.T. prompting Jessica on Greta last night. I remember hearing Natalie's friends do the same when on Greta.

Jessica said something like, "It was a lapse in judgement" when talking about asking the stranger for a ride. She got that right.

Maybe we'll hear about the blood results today. And maybe Brianna will come home today...we can still be hopeful.

[Maelstrom5]

bred

You are right, we seem to be back to square one.

I just saw KT and Cmdr. Holladay on goodmorning America.

Nothing new really, but I did get to see the house. It looks like the front door is in clear view from the street. Anyone passing by at night would have been able to see people moving in the house.

I personally think the women are being disingenuous when they say no one was drinking.

You don't accept a ride from a 45 years old stranger. You don't lock your bedroom door but forget to lock the door to the outside, especially in light of two resent sexual assaults in the area, unless your judgment is somehow impaired.

In general this group of women seem smart, motivated, and current (they supported Obama in the resent Caucasus and still have a lawn sign) Their actions that night seem out of character. Booze would explain that. But I guess it could be they just felt bad things only happen to other people.

[RiverWalk]

They just did a brief interview with the local LE on Fox and Friends. He said they were concentrating on the text messages a few days before and up until the last one sent, but the boy friend is NOT a suspect. Mentioned that they don't know how her blanket (that she was sleeping under) ended up in the kitchen area, but no blood on the blanket.

FBI, helicopters, dogs and going door to door in the area.

[RiverWalk]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324794,00.html

[happy2bme]

I had a dream last night that whoever had her brought her home unharmed. Crossing my fingers it will come true.

I am about to get to the point where I am afraid to leave my darn house. This abduction and murder spell we have had lately is unbelieveable.

[Maelstrom5]

RiverWalk

“He said they were concentrating on the text messages a few days before and up until the last one sent, but the boy friend is NOT a suspect."

Not a suspect yet, but it is obvious he has become a person of interest

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
RiverWalk

“He said they were concentrating on the text messages a few days before and up until the last one sent, but the boy friend is NOT a suspect."

Not a suspect yet, but it is obvious he has become a person of interest [/*]

No. He flat out said not a suspect, POI and they know where he was during the time of her abduction per his text messages. Guess it is some "unknown" (to us) person that they are looking at?? :shrug:

I'm looking to see if Fox and Friends will put up the video later today.

[RiverWalk]

here's a story about one of the earlier abductions from the same area:

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/12637106.html

[Maelstrom5]

RiverWalk

I understand he is not concidered a suspect at this point.

Did he flat out say there is 100% no way this young man could be involved?

If so why are they looking at the text messages? Are they looking at other texts she may have made?

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
RiverWalk

I understand he is not concidered a suspect at this point.

Did he flat out say there is 100% no way this young man could be involved? Yes

If so why are they looking at the text messages? [COLOR=red]Other people that knew her.

Are they looking at other texts she may have made.Yes[/*]

[Maelstrom5]

TY RiverWalk,

Did they say anything about Brianna's ex-boyfriend?

He was mentioned in early news reports but was not referred to in the last few I have seen.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
TY RiverWalk,

Did they say anything about Brianna's ex-boyfriend?

He was mentioned in early news reports but was not referred to in the last few I have seen. [/*]Last report was that he was in Oregon Friday night. :shrug:

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
TY RiverWalk,

Did they say anything about Brianna's ex-boyfriend?

He was mentioned in early news reports but was not referred to in the last few I have seen. [/*]

No, they didn't mention him at all. Good point and that may be what's the deal with going over all those text messages.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by wandering
Last report was that he was in Oregon Friday night. :shrug: [/*]

That's the "current ex". There is another ex from longer ago.

[Nellie]

Ok, I'm just thinking out loud here. What makes them think she's been abducted? Could there be another explanation for her dissappearance? Girls out til 3 or 4 AM drinking....so they're pretty drunk when they return home. Blood....how much was there? Maybe she had a nosebleed? It doesn't automatically mean foul play. Maybe she got up ...with blanket over her shoulder....and walked to the kitchen to find some tissue or something for the nosebleed. Dropped blanket in the kitchen. In her drunken state, maybe she walked out the door? Is there any body of water nearby?

[Nellie]

Yep, these girlfriends are reminding me of the Mountain Brook girls.

[happy2bme]

Originally posted by Nellie
Ok, I'm just thinking out loud here. What makes them think she's been abducted? Could there be another explanation for her dissappearance? Girls out til 3 or 4 AM drinking....so they're pretty drunk when they return home. Blood....how much was there? Maybe she had a nosebleed? It doesn't automatically mean foul play. Maybe she got up ...with blanket over her shoulder....and walked to the kitchen to find some tissue or something for the nosebleed. Dropped blanket in the kitchen. In her drunken state, maybe she walked out the door? Is there any body of water nearby? [/*]


Sleep walking did cross my mind. Who are the mountain brook girls?

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by Nellie
Yep, these girlfriends are reminding me of the Mountain Brook girls. [/*]

No shoes, freezing outside, didn't take her cell phone, purse, ID or $. Not likely, imo, that she just wandered off. She'd been found frozen.

Blood results aren't back yet, but first reports were several spots that were silver dollar size.

[wandering]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


No shoes, freezing outside, didn't take her cell phone, purse, ID or $. Not likely, imo, that she just wandered off. She'd been found frozen.

Blood results aren't back yet, but first reports were several spots that were silver dollar size. [/*]Mixed with saliva and mucous. :confused:

[sjb]

:rose:

In memory of my sister, Amy (http://www.helpfindamy.com)

[Belle Starr]

Originally posted by sjb
:rose:

In memory of my sister, Amy (http://www.helpfindamy.com) [/*]

SJB, I am so sorry for your loss. I cannot imagine what hurt and sorrow you and your family feel. I am glad that he was caught and hope the trial will be quick and the results be what they should be. You and your family will be in my prayers.
:rose:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


No shoes, freezing outside, didn't take her cell phone, purse, ID or $. Not likely, imo, that she just wandered off. She'd been found frozen.

Blood results aren't back yet, but first reports were several spots that were silver dollar size. [/*]

If she was drunk....that could explain some of those things.

Not saying that's it...was just throwing out another scenario and wondering why it's instantly thought to be an abduction.

[wandering]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


That's the "current ex". There is another ex from longer ago. [/*]Where did that come from? :confused:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RachelRose
Did anyone else look Mackey Court up on Google Maps?

There doesn't appear to be ANYTHING there that would obscure them from finding her. No woods, no landforms, no trees, no nothing except nothing.

It looks like a really very nice neighborhood, a good winding distance from a major highway or road.

Not the kind of place you could be lost in the woods or fall off a cliff or fall into a lake. [/*]

Ok, so there goes that theory. I was thinking if there was a nearby body of water that she could have walked off in a drunken state and fallen into it.

[Nellie]

Why does one of the girlfriends have to whisper and tell the other girlfriend what to say on the Greta show? What are they hiding? :confused:

[Rick777]

If she left on her own- Would have taken her stuff with her...especially shoes.


If she left against her will- No barking dog? blanket found in kitchen? and Stuffed animal also taken?


If she was sleepwalking- could explain the blanket in the kitchen, but would have waken up quickly when walking into 33 degree weather.

I'm leaning towards an inside job of some kind.

:shrug:

[Rick777]

...let me clarify.....by inside job I mean someone she knew.

[wandering]

On FOX now. Classified as a kidnapping at this point. I noticed a tracking dog in the news clip.

[Rick777]

Originally posted by wandering
On FOX now. Classified as a kidnapping at this point. I noticed a tracking dog in the news clip. [/*]



Hi Wander. :) Whats up.....ummmmmmm......dude?

[gemsbmw]

I heard this morning that the boyfriend is NOT a suspect. He has been cleared.

[Rick777]

Originally posted by gemsbmw
I heard this morning that the boyfriend is NOT a suspect. He has been cleared. [/*]

Apparently there might be an EX bf that texted her also.

[Maelstrom5]

Hi all,

Here is the reference to a second Ex-boyfriend that I was asking about.

"Brianna's aunt says the boyfriend was in Reno Friday night, but was supposed
to return to college the next day. She says police are also looking closely
at another ex-boyfriend who lives out of town, as well as a 45-year-old man
who gave the girls a ride home after the party. Police have this
surveillance video of the man's car leaving the parking lot of "Sands."

[wandering]

Originally posted by EG~Lives
It's possible that her nose was busted when someone held their hand over her face.. or pushed a pillow hard against her face to muffle any screaming. [/*]Or someone's hand was over her mouth, and she bit it.

They said they found her blanket in the kitchen.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by sjb
:rose:

In memory of my sister, Amy (http://www.helpfindamy.com) [/*]

God bless. GREAT to see the trial is upcoming. Remember we will all be with you in spirit and holding your hand. :rose:

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by wandering
Where did that come from? :confused: [/*]

I posted the link about it on page 1, but as usual the link is not longer available. :mad:

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by gemsbmw
I heard this morning that the boyfriend is NOT a suspect. He has been cleared. [/*]

Right, I heard that too. But there is another ex from longer ago. Looking at all her text messages from days before the abduction.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Hi all,

Here is the reference to a second Ex-boyfriend that I was asking about.

"Brianna's aunt says the boyfriend was in Reno Friday night, but was supposed
to return to college the next day. She says police are also looking closely
at another ex-boyfriend who lives out of town, as well as a 45-year-old man
who gave the girls a ride home after the party. Police have this
surveillance video of the man's car leaving the parking lot of "Sands." [/*]

TY. The silly link no longer works, but that is the info.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by EG~Lives
It's possible that her nose was busted when someone held their hand over her face.. or pushed a pillow hard against her face to muffle any screaming. [/*]

Right, especially with a "report" of mucous in the blood. Still wonder why the bear is gone too unless it had more blood?

[bred]

I forgot about the ex! All cleared but him at this point.

As always, we need to assume LE knows WAY more than they are telling us.

Wasn't Elizabeth Smart allowed to stop and get shoes? I would think for sure Brianna needed shoes...if she was walking.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by bred
I forgot about the ex! All cleared but him at this point.

As always, we need to assume LE knows WAY more than they are telling us.

Wasn't Elizabeth Smart allowed to stop and get shoes? I would think for sure Brianna needed shoes...if she was walking. [/*]

I would think so too. Maybe IF the abductor hit her really hard (thus the blood spots) he knocked her out? She is a tiny girl.

[omsk99]

"Police may have already spoken to a man who gave another woman and a friend a ride that night from the Sands Hotel and Casino downtown to the home Denison was staying at. "

"All I know is now he cooperated with police. He voluntarily came forward," Hunter told The Early Show."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/23/national/main3742049.shtml

By the way, everyone says she was NOT drunk, so I do not believe she left on her own, and especially without her shoes.

[Maelstrom5]

Two things about the stuffed bear.

If you remember, John Couey let Jessica Lunsford take her stuffed dolphin with her. It was later found buried with Jessica, in her arms.

I realize there is a difference, Jessica was only 9, but sometimes a abductor will let a person take something with them in order to help kept them under control.

The most logical reason for the bear being missing is what a number of you have already stated, that it has something on it that the abductor does not want the police to find.

[Maelstrom5]

omsk99

"everyone says she was NOT drunk'

By this do you mean that the police or press have inteviewed people at the rap concert and the party at the casino who stated this was the case?

Or do you mean that KT and Jessica have said this, and the police have reported what Brianna's friends have said.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
omsk99

"everyone says she was NOT drunk'

By this do you mean that the police or press have inteviewed people at the rap concert and the party at the casino who stated this was the case?

Or do you mean that KT and Jessica have said this, and the police have reported what Brianna's friends have said. [/*]

By that, I mean her friends say that. I trust their word, they were with her the whole time and would know the best. I really don't think they would lie under these circumstances. JMO

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Two things about the stuffed bear.

If you remember, John Couey let Jessica Lunsford take her stuffed dolphin with her. It was later found buried with Jessica, in her arms.

I realize there is a difference, Jessica was only 9, but sometimes a abductor will let a person take something with them in order to help kept them under control.

The most logical reason for the bear being missing is what a number of you have already stated, that it has something on it that the abductor does not want the police to find. [/*]

I agree, I think in this case, there was blood or other evidence on the bear, which is why it's gone. :(

[omsk99]

"Huntington, WV (HNN) – When I asked a cashier in the Marshall University cafeteria about the missing 19-year-old college student in Reno, Nevada, she shook her head, partially lowered it, and responded, “We know what’s happened.” "

http://www.huntingtonnews.net/columns/080123-rutherford-columnskidnappings.html

[omsk99]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324905,00.html

[Rick777]

nawww...I really don't think a 19 year old is going to ask to take her stuffed bear with her. She would rather throw kicks and punches.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rick777
nawww...I really don't think a 19 year old is going to ask to take her stuffed bear with her. She would rather throw kicks and punches. [/*]

ITA

Hi Rick777! I tried to PM you a while ago (to reply), but your inbox was full :seeya:

[omsk99]

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?storyid=34098

[omsk99]

Originally posted by RachelRose


I agree. It's possible she may have been in a very deep sleep and had her arms around the bear, and it was just easier to carry her out without unwinding the bear from her. [/*]

Also, K.T. said that she gave her the bear as a support for her pillow. I really think there was evidence on it.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by omsk99
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?storyid=34098 [/*]

Sorry to quote myself, but I couldn't edit my post anymore.

ETA: Can there be any more misreporting on this case?!

Quote

"Police say the man wanted for questioning in Brianna Denison’s disappearance has been cleared. The man was wanted for questioning as he gave Denison a ride home from a party on the morning she went missing from her friends Reno, Nevada home.

The man was questioned by officers and was cleared of any involvement in the 19-year-old’s disappearance."

The man gave a ride to JESSICA, not Brianna! :mad:

[omsk99]

Originally posted by EG~Lives


Are they referring to the friend 'IAN' that gave Brianna and KT a ride.. or the stranger that gave Jessica the ride home?


I hadn't heard that the 'stranger' had come forward? He's the one that gave Jessica a ride. [/*]

I thought the same, but I think they refer to the stranger,. I posted a link earlier today that the stranger (the man who gave a ride to Jessica) came to the LE voluntarily and has been cleared.

ETA: It's also on the Greta transcript I posted above

[omsk99]

"RENO, Nev. (AP) — An extensive search has turned up no new clues to the disappearance of a 19-year-old college student last seen sleeping near an unlocked door, police said Wednesday."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hA_DEEClMpRwsFr29Un8v3z-yCtwD8UBMJIO0

[happy2bme]

I just can not imagine how not one of these girls heard anything..or the dog not even barking. My dad breeds that kind of dog. You can't get near his house without them barking like crazy. I am scared to death of them.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by EG~Lives


My neighbor has them and they bark incessantly! Usually at their own shadow.

:rolleyes: [/*]
K.T. said on Greta that the dog either didn't bark or she didn't hear it. Possibly it's the latter, especially if she is used to it. But the latest article I posted above says LE didn't find ANY clues, no shoe prints, nothing - it's so bizarre

[omsk99]

"Tips, Frady said, continue to come to investigators. "We are continuing to talk to people," he said. "We are getting information, and we're continuing to follow those leads." Authorities announced today that they will now check in with more than 100 registered sex offenders who live within a mile of the house and make contact with more than 1,700 registered sex offenders in the county."

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4176218&page=1

[happy2bme]

Over at the findthemissing message boards someone posted a picture of the house inside and out. There was snow on the ground. Does anyone know if it was snowing when she dissapeared? If it was you'd think there would be foot prints.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by EG~Lives


Thank you! I need to catch up! [/*]

:seeya:

[omsk99]

Originally posted by happy2bme
Over at the findthemissing message boards someone posted a picture of the house inside and out. There was snow on the ground. Does anyone know if it was snowing when she dissapeared? If it was you'd think there would be foot prints. [/*]

I know it was 33 degrees, but don't know about the snow.

Can you please post a link to the photos? TIA :seeya:

[Maelstrom5]

Greta's transcript is interesting and it fills us in on a few points.

According to Jessica leaving the outside door open is standard practice. They relied on the locks on their individual bedroom doors for safety.

“HUNTER: No, the place she was sleeping was a very common area. And I have three roommates, and we live all our separate lives. So, usually, we sometimes lock it, but that area, since it is a common area and people are always going in and out, we keep it unlocked and just lock our own personal doors. So the door was probably left unlocked.”


The women in the house were aware of the resent sexual assaults, and according to Commander Holladay they took place within a few blocks of the house. The timing of both attacks were around the same time, 4 to 5 am.

“VAN SUSTEREN: Now, just in an effort to explore, not because I'm suggesting there is a serial assaulter there, but these other two assaults, were they done in the middle of the night?
HOLLADAY: One was between 4:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. and the other was, I believe, around the same time frame. So as far as similarities go, the general timeframe would be about the same.
VAN SUSTEREN: How about the distance from where Brianna was spending the night? How far away were these two assaults?
HOLLADAY: I would have to go up there and pace it off, but it is within about two or three blocks, each of the locations.”

Anyone passing by could see into the house.

“VAN SUSTEREN: No. If I were on the street and Brianna went to bed on the couch, was the couch so positioned that I would have been able to see it from the street?
HOLLADAY: I see. It is my understanding that you would have a clear view of the area where she was sleeping, at least from this sidewalk.”

I take it no one thinks much of my analogy to Jessica Lunsford.. LOL :)

[happy2bme]

Originally posted by omsk99


I know it was 33 degrees, but don't know about the snow.

Can you please post a link to the photos? TIA :seeya: [/*]


There is not a link. Am I allowed to post the pictures directly or can I post the link straight to the forums?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Greta's transcript is interesting and it fills us in on a few points.

According to Jessica leaving the outside door open is standard practice. They relied on the locks on their individual bedroom doors for safety.

“HUNTER: No, the place she was sleeping was a very common area. And I have three roommates, and we live all our separate lives. So, usually, we sometimes lock it, but that area, since it is a common area and people are always going in and out, we keep it unlocked and just lock our own personal doors. So the door was probably left unlocked.”


The women in the house were aware of the resent sexual assaults, and according to Commander Holladay they took place within a few blocks of the house. The timing of both attacks were around the same time, 4 to 5 am.

“VAN SUSTEREN: Now, just in an effort to explore, not because I'm suggesting there is a serial assaulter there, but these other two assaults, were they done in the middle of the night?
HOLLADAY: One was between 4:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. and the other was, I believe, around the same time frame. So as far as similarities go, the general timeframe would be about the same.
VAN SUSTEREN: How about the distance from where Brianna was spending the night? How far away were these two assaults?
HOLLADAY: I would have to go up there and pace it off, but it is within about two or three blocks, each of the locations.”

Anyone passing by could see into the house.

“VAN SUSTEREN: No. If I were on the street and Brianna went to bed on the couch, was the couch so positioned that I would have been able to see it from the street?
HOLLADAY: I see. It is my understanding that you would have a clear view of the area where she was sleeping, at least from this sidewalk.”

I take it no one thinks much of my analogy to Jessica Lunsford.. LOL :) [/*]

:) But I don't rule out a sex offender, just like LE

[omsk99]

Originally posted by happy2bme



There is not a link. Am I allowed to post the pictures directly or can I post the link straight to the forums? [/*]

I am sure you can post pictures directly if you can, or if you prefer, you can PM me the link, I will check it out :seeya:

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by happy2bme
She is a beautiful young women. Praying she is found soon.:rose: [/*]

I'd say the chances of her being alive are slim to none . She was likely raped and then murdered to get rid of the evidence and prevent the rape charge which would carry the same penalty as murder. IMO

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ReedJ


I'd say the chances of her being alive are slim to none . She was likely raped and then murdered to get rid of the evidence and prevent the rape charge which would carry the same penalty as murder. IMO [/*]

Unfortunately, yes, it's the worst scenario, but until she is found, I still hold hope

:rose:

[darcie]

Originally posted by TexasPeppers


When you are young and in that mind frame "It could never happen to me" you do lots of things you would not do as you grow older and wiser.

I shudder to think of all the stupid things I did as a teenager and young adult because, of course, we all feel 10 feet tall and bullet proof at that age........

;) [/*]


I have to agree with ya TexasPeppers. I didn't get a chance to watch the entire interview, so I really don't get the *feel* of the girls, but i would just say they are young and stupid (and I sure don't mean that in a bad way). Carefree, hardworking, having a good time without giving anything else much thought. A shame, most definitely, but it goes on everyday.

Prayes for this young lady and her family.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by omsk99


Unfortunately, yes, it's the worst scenario, but until she is found, I still hold hope

:rose: [/*]

Oh I understand , the reason I think she is likely dead though is because she is of the age where she would've called someone by now and her abductor would only have a chance to evade a life sentence if he got rid of her body so that she would not be found with evidence on her. You would have kidnapping and rape against him which would carry the same sentence as murder. IMO. This is one of those unfortunate cases where the penalty for the initial crime would be as much as murder so the perp see's " letting her go" as too risky IMO.

[darcie]

Originally posted by Nellie
Why does one of the girlfriends have to whisper and tell the other girlfriend what to say on the Greta show? What are they hiding? :confused: [/*]


Some people just don't have the *talent* to appear on talk shows. May she is not a good public speaker. It doesn't really mean she is lying. She could just be one nervous girl, that should have never spoken publically. :shrug: Just tossing that out there. I know that I would not be a good at it.

[Maelstrom5]

ReedJ

I agree with you prognoses for the outcome but you are off on the difference in penalty, Rape vs. Murder. But add kidnapping to it and you are probably correct.


NRS 200.366 Sexual assault: Definition; penalties.
1. A person who subjects another person to sexual penetration, or who forces another person to make a sexual penetration on himself or another, or on a beast, against the will of the victim or under conditions in which the perpetrator knows or should know that the victim is mentally or physically incapable of resisting or understanding the nature of his conduct, is guilty of sexual assault.
2. Except as otherwise provided in subsections 3 and 4, a person who commits a sexual assault is guilty of a category A felony and shall be punished:
(a) If substantial bodily harm to the victim results from the actions of the defendant committed in connection with or as a part of the sexual assault, by imprisonment in the state prison:
(1) For life without the possibility of parole; or
(2) For life with the possibility of parole, with eligibility for parole beginning when a minimum of 15 years has been served.
(*) If no substantial bodily harm to the victim results, by imprisonment in the state prison for life with the possibility of parole, with eligibility for parole beginning when a minimum of 10 years has been served.

NRS 200.030 Degrees of murder; penalties.
1. Murder of the first degree is murder which is:
(a) Perpetrated by means of poison, lying in wait or torture, or by any other kind of willful, deliberate and premeditated killing;
(*) Committed in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of sexual assault, kidnapping, arson, robbery, burglary, invasion of the home, sexual abuse of a child, sexual molestation of a child under the age of 14 years, child abuse or abuse of an older person or vulnerable person pursuant to NRS 200.5099;
(c) Committed to avoid or prevent the lawful arrest of any person by a peace officer or to effect the escape of any person from legal custody;
(d) Committed on the property of a public or private school, at an activity sponsored by a public or private school or on a school bus while the bus was engaged in its official duties by a person who intended to create a great risk of death or substantial bodily harm to more than one person by means of a weapon, device or course of action that would normally be hazardous to the lives of more than one person; or
(e) Committed in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of an act of terrorism.
2. Murder of the second degree is all other kinds of murder.
3. The jury before whom any person indicted for murder is tried shall, if they find him guilty thereof, designate by their verdict whether he is guilty of murder of the first or second degree.
4. A person convicted of murder of the first degree is guilty of a category A felony and shall be punished:
(a) By death, only if one or more aggravating circumstances are found and any mitigating circumstance or circumstances which are found do not outweigh the aggravating circumstance or circumstances, unless a court has made a finding pursuant to NRS 174.098 that the defendant is a person with mental retardation and has stricken the notice of intent to seek the death penalty; or
(*) By imprisonment in the state prison:
(1) For life without the possibility of parole;
(2) For life with the possibility of parole, with eligibility for parole beginning when a minimum of 20 years has been served; or
(3) For a definite term of 50 years, with eligibility for parole beginning when a minimum of 20 years has been served.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by darcie



Some people just don't have the *talent* to appear on talk shows. May she is not a good public speaker. It doesn't really mean she is lying. She could just be one nervous girl, that should have never spoken. :shrug: Just tossing that out there. I know that I would not be a good at it. [/*]

I agree with you, I would be mortified to speak on national TV. It's just me, but there are a lot of people like that. JMO

[omsk99]

OK, I have looked at the photos of the house and the couch and the glass door (it's SO close to the couch!). It's a two-story building, so I wondering if the other roommate (Jessica) was upstairs, which is why she didn't hear anything. I would imagine K.T. would have been very tired after coming home at 4 am and just passed out, even if she wasn't drunk, which is why she didn't hear anything or her dog bark. Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense to me :confused:

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
ReedJ

I agree with you prognoses for the outcome but you are off on the difference in penalty, Rape vs. Murder. But add kidnapping to it and you are probably correct.


NRS 200.366 Sexual assault: Definition; penalties.
1. A person who subjects another person to sexual penetration, or who forces another person to make a sexual penetration on himself or another, or on a beast, against the will of the victim or under conditions in which the perpetrator knows or should know that the victim is mentally or physically incapable of resisting or understanding the nature of his conduct, is guilty of sexual assault.
2. Except as otherwise provided in subsections 3 and 4, a person who commits a sexual assault is guilty of a category A felony and shall be punished:
(a) If substantial bodily harm to the victim results from the actions of the defendant committed in connection with or as a part of the sexual assault, by imprisonment in the state prison:
(1) For life without the possibility of parole; or
(2) For life with the possibility of parole, with eligibility for parole beginning when a minimum of 15 years has been served.
(*) If no substantial bodily harm to the victim results, by imprisonment in the state prison for life with the possibility of parole, with eligibility for parole beginning when a minimum of 10 years has been served.

NRS 200.030 Degrees of murder; penalties.
1. Murder of the first degree is murder which is:
(a) Perpetrated by means of poison, lying in wait or torture, or by any other kind of willful, deliberate and premeditated killing;
(*) Committed in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of sexual assault, kidnapping, arson, robbery, burglary, invasion of the home, sexual abuse of a child, sexual molestation of a child under the age of 14 years, child abuse or abuse of an older person or vulnerable person pursuant to NRS 200.5099;
(c) Committed to avoid or prevent the lawful arrest of any person by a peace officer or to effect the escape of any person from legal custody;
(d) Committed on the property of a public or private school, at an activity sponsored by a public or private school or on a school bus while the bus was engaged in its official duties by a person who intended to create a great risk of death or substantial bodily harm to more than one person by means of a weapon, device or course of action that would normally be hazardous to the lives of more than one person; or
(e) Committed in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of an act of terrorism.
2. Murder of the second degree is all other kinds of murder.
3. The jury before whom any person indicted for murder is tried shall, if they find him guilty thereof, designate by their verdict whether he is guilty of murder of the first or second degree.
4. A person convicted of murder of the first degree is guilty of a category A felony and shall be punished:
(a) By death, only if one or more aggravating circumstances are found and any mitigating circumstance or circumstances which are found do not outweigh the aggravating circumstance or circumstances, unless a court has made a finding pursuant to NRS 174.098 that the defendant is a person with mental retardation and has stricken the notice of intent to seek the death penalty; or
(*) By imprisonment in the state prison:
(1) For life without the possibility of parole;
(2) For life with the possibility of parole, with eligibility for parole beginning when a minimum of 20 years has been served; or
(3) For a definite term of 50 years, with eligibility for parole beginning when a minimum of 20 years has been served. [/*]

Thanks for the post. I believe that the prosecutor would charge kidnapping and rape and anything else they could think of. While some may say hey that is what should happen , I'm not sure they have thought it right through because in a case like this you would hope the perp would release her and not do the final act of murder but the law is set up to throw the book at this guy and even if he miraculously didn't get like 40 Years to life on the rape they would nail him for " kidnapping" and trespassing and likely uttering a threat and using a gun or weapon which would all lead to the same punishment as murder. I guess what I'm trying to say is that they never leave the perp an incentive to stop short of the murder. IMO.

[omsk99]

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/13997952.html

ETA: "Abduction frightens UNR students"

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080122/NEWS01/80122069&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

P.S. The second link has a photo of the house from outside

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by omsk99


I agree with you, I would be mortified to speak on national TV. It's just me, but there are a lot of people like that. JMO [/*]

I agree, If you have never been in front of a TV Camera before(I have on a number of occasions) you have no idea how terrifying it can be.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by omsk99
OK, I have looked at the photos of the house and the couch and the glass door (it's SO close to the couch!). It's a two-story building, so I wondering if the other roommate (Jessica) was upstairs, which is why she didn't hear anything. I would imagine K.T. would have been very tired after coming home at 4 am and just passed out, even if she wasn't drunk, which is why she didn't hear anything or her dog bark. Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense to me :confused: [/*]

Jessica's room is upstairs. I will try and find the link. BBL and wish me luck.

[omsk99]

"Police interview sex offenders in missing teen case"

http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080123/NEWS/306316085/1033/NEWS01

[ruby]

:rose: This crime seemed 'too easy'.....

[omsk99]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


Jessica's room is upstairs. I will try and find the link. BBL and wish me luck. [/*]

Then it makes sense she didn't hear anything. We have to also remember everyone was party-hopping that night, so everyone was probably really tired and may not have heard anything, even if the dog barked.

[Rick777]

Originally posted by omsk99


ITA

Hi Rick777! I tried to PM you a while ago (to reply), but your inbox was full :seeya: [/*]



The story of my life. hehehe

It's clear now!

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ruby
:rose: This crime seemed 'too easy'..... [/*]

And it probably was :(

[ruby]

Originally posted by omsk99


And it probably was :( [/*]


Unlocked door, with a clear view into the front of the house. How horrible....I can't believe some people still live that way

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by omsk99


Then it makes sense she didn't hear anything. We have to also remember everyone was party-hopping that night, so everyone was probably really tired and may not have heard anything, even if the dog barked. [/*]

Found it.

Her friend, K.T. Hunter, 19, went to sleep in her locked bedroom with her dog. Denison was sleeping right outside her door. Hunter and another roommate sleeping upstairs said they did not hear any disturbances.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080123/NEWS01/801230437/1016/NEWS

[Rick777]

Originally posted by omsk99


Unfortunately, yes, it's the worst scenario, but until she is found, I still hold hope

:rose: [/*]


Gawd...I think so too, BUT the other kidnapping/rapes in that same area...the girls were returned. I'm hoping for that....

[omsk99]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


Found it.

Her friend, K.T. Hunter, 19, went to sleep in her locked bedroom with her dog. Denison was sleeping right outside her door. Hunter and another roommate sleeping upstairs said they did not hear any disturbances.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080123/NEWS01/801230437/1016/NEWS [/*]

Wait, K.T. Hunter said that the couch was on the other side of the wall of her bedroom, so that would make her bedroom being downstairs? :confused:

[Rick777]

I'm really blown away by how many "opportunity criminals" there are. You forget to lock a door, you sleep too close to a window, you are a female that wants to go on a hike alone, You walk to your car in a Target parking lot and BAM!!! There are guys out there looking for people like you!

What is going on in these guys heads? What happens in thier childhood that that makes them impulsive stalkers, killers, rapists?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rick777



Gawd...I think so too, BUT the other kidnapping/rapes in that same area...the girls were returned. I'm hoping for that.... [/*]

I was just thinking the same thing, but some predators escalate over the time, or maybe something went really wrong, especially if she put up a fight (and I am sure I would have)

[Rick777]

Originally posted by omsk99


Wait, K.T. Hunter said that the couch was on the other side of the wall of her bedroom, so that would make her bedroom being downstairs? :confused: [/*]


Do you feel a bit unsure about all of Brianna's friends? I think they have been nervous in thier interviews, and they were SOOO quick to clear the 45 yr old STRANGER from anything to do with this.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rick777
I'm really blown away by how many "opportunity criminals" there are. You forget to lock a door, you sleep too close to a window, you are a female that wants to go on a hike alone, You walk to your car in a Target parking lot and BAM!!! There are guys out there looking for people like you!

What is going on in these guys heads? What happens in thier childhood that that makes them impulsive stalkers, killers, rapists? [/*]

Lots of studies on that, it's never just one thing. But unfortunately, it will never end :flamemad:

[Rick777]

Originally posted by omsk99


I was just thinking the same thing, but some predators escalate over the time, or maybe something went really wrong, especially if she put up a fight (and I am sure I would have) [/*]


I bet he felt so in charge with her being 5'0'' 98 pounds.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rick777



I bet he felt so in charge with her being 5'0'' 98 pounds. [/*]

I know, no matter how old he is. And she is so beautiful, maybe he didn't want that one go...

[Rick777]

Originally posted by omsk99


Lots of studies on that, it's never just one thing. But unfortunately, it will never end :flamemad: [/*]


So is there a rise in this kinda stuff ya think? or has it always been this bad...but now the media covers it more??

[Rick777]

I don't wanna sound like a jerk.....but all these girls that are being killed are on the beautiful side. Then again....maybe the media picks out those cases to cover because of that.

[bred]

I need to do some reading of the latest posts, but the mention of "sliding glass doors" caught my eye. We had debated that earlier and decided it was just a front, glass door.

I looked at the pictures and see that the front door IS one with small glass panes and at the SIDE of the house there is a set of sliding glass doors. The couch can easily be seen from either door. Neither were locked? Easy entrance, easy exit. Wonder if there was a door in the kitchen also...thinking about that blanket.

[happy2bme]

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1550&page=4


Here is a link with some pictures of the house.

[ruby]

Originally posted by Rick777
I don't wanna sound like a jerk.....but all these girls that are being killed are on the beautiful side. Then again....maybe the media picks out those cases to cover because of that. [/*]


I think that's why they get so much media coverage....plus men are attracted to beautiful women....

[ruby]

Originally posted by happy2bme
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1550&page=4


Here is a link with some pictures of the house. [/*]

Cute house, Im assuming all of those entrances were unlocked and had Bri in full view....

[happy2bme]

Originally posted by ruby


Cute house, Im assuming all of those entrances were unlocked and had Bri in full view.... [/*]


I can tell you without a doubt there is no way I would have slept on that couch with someone being able to see me through either door...locked or not.:no:

[ruby]

Originally posted by happy2bme



I can tell you without a doubt there is no way I would have slept on that couch with someone being able to see me through either door...locked or not.:no: [/*]

yah me either, that's creepy......

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rick777
I don't wanna sound like a jerk.....but all these girls that are being killed are on the beautiful side. Then again....maybe the media picks out those cases to cover because of that. [/*]

I don't think there has been a rise in this kind of stuff, just more exposure, unfortunately. And I do think that in so many cases they pick the prettiest girls, look at Kelsey, Drew, Meredith... list goes on :(

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ruby


yah me either, that's creepy...... [/*]

Me neither, we have double doors, one is a metal one, with four locks total, and an alarm system. I think you just get comfortable if nothing happens, and if people come and go all the time. It probably wasn't the first time Brianna slept on that couch, so she didn't think anything of it. She may not even have known the door was unlocked, though.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by omsk99


By that, I mean her friends say that. I trust their word, they were with her the whole time and would know the best. I really don't think they would lie under these circumstances. JMO [/*]

I don't trust when teen friends claim someone wasn't drunk.
She may not have been. But considering they were all out until wee hours of the morning, there's a good chance that all of them were drunk!

Plus, her girlfriends on Greta acted really strange...and it wasn't just being nervous about being on tv. It felt like they were hiding something.

[mxma30]

too much focus on this "stain" on the pillow.

this is a random pillow at a house full of young college students, im sure there is more than just one stain on furniture there.

for all we know it is kool aid.

and as for no noise.. does not seem difficult to creep into an unlocked house, walk 5 feet, and slap some duct tape over her mouth.. grab her arms before she even knows what happened.

i dont think the bear was taken because it had evidence on it.. seems hard to get evidence on the bear but not the floor or blanket.

to me it actually seems really dumb to take the bear, later on if they get any suspects, they can match particles of fur from the bear found in the house and her car.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Nellie


I don't trust when teen friends claim someone wasn't drunk.
She may not have been. But considering they were all out until wee hours of the morning, there's a good chance that all of them were drunk!

Plus, her girlfriends on Greta acted really strange...and it wasn't just being nervous about being on tv. It felt like they were hiding something. [/*]

But I think under the circumstances, they wouldn't lie, they would want to help any way they can, no?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by mxma30
too much focus on this "stain" on the pillow.

this is a random pillow at a house full of young college students, im sure there is more than just one stain on furniture there.

for all we know it is kool aid.

and as for no noise.. does not seem difficult to creep into an unlocked house, walk 5 feet, and slap some duct tape over her mouth.. grab her arms before she even knows what happened.

i dont think the bear was taken because it had evidence on it.. seems hard to get evidence on the bear but not the floor or blanket.

to me it actually seems really dumb to take the bear, later on if they get any suspects, they can match particles of fur from the bear found in the house and her car. [/*]

They did say it looked like blood, and it's hard to mistaken it Plus the other girls would have known if the stain was before. JMO

About the bear, I really can't think of any other reason why it would have been taken. She was using it as a support for pillow, it wasn't even hers, she had no attachment to it, so I doubt that she chose to take it. JMO again, of course

[bred]

Drunk or not...she's gone. Remember how Kelly Nolan's family was quite secretive about Kelly's consumption that night.

I think I've caught up on posts and links. You guys are tossing around some good thoughts.

Why do you think LE is discounting any connection between the previous abductions and Brianna's? I read those happened at a similar time and very close together.

[mxma30]

Originally posted by omsk99


They did say it looked like blood, and it's hard to mistaken it Plus the other girls would have known if the stain was before. JMO

About the bear, I really can't think of any other reason why it would have been taken. She was using it as a support for pillow, it wasn't even hers, she had no attachment to it, so I doubt that she chose to take it. JMO again, of course [/*]


who said it was being used as support for a pillow?

imo, blood on a pillow sounds like a nose bleed. mucous and blood mixed from the nose sounds like... have they checked the fluid for cocaine? was she sick?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by mxma30



who said it was being used as support for a pillow?

imo, blood on a pillow sounds like a nose bleed. mucous and blood mixed from the nose sounds like... have they checked the fluid for cocaine? was she sick? [/*]

It was in one of the articles or more, I don't know which one anymore, but I read it.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by mxma30



who said it was being used as support for a pillow?

imo, blood on a pillow sounds like a nose bleed. mucous and blood mixed from the nose sounds like... have they checked the fluid for cocaine? was she sick? [/*]

This is not where I read it initially, but it says the same thing:

"Police Lt. Robert McDonald said drops of blood were left on a pillow she used, and the teddy bear her friend gave her to add support to the thin pillow is missing."

http://movingoutmovingon.bloghi.com/tag/Denison

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by omsk99


They did say it looked like blood, and it's hard to mistaken it Plus the other girls would have known if the stain was before. JMO

About the bear, I really can't think of any other reason why it would have been taken. She was using it as a support for pillow, it wasn't even hers, she had no attachment to it, so I doubt that she chose to take it. JMO again, of course [/*]

A blood stain on the pillow she was sleeping on makes me think someone crept in and put the pointed end of a knife to her throat and it pierced her skin.

imoo

[omsk99]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze


A blood stain on the pillow she was sleeping on makes me think someone crept in and put the pointed end of a knife to her throat and it pierced her skin.

imoo [/*]

I agree with you, and possibly more blood got on the teddy bear, or even his blood, which why it's gone. I just can't think of any other explanation for the teddy bear being gone.

[mxma30]

maybe he was actually just kidnapping the teddy bear, and she wouldnt let him take it without taking her.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Rick777



Gawd...I think so too, BUT the other kidnapping/rapes in that same area...the girls were returned. I'm hoping for that.... [/*]

I just don't see where an incentive would be for the perp to keep her alive because she would then testify against him in court. IMO

[omsk99]

"The search dogs were brought in at 4:30 p.m. in anticipation of snowstorms today that were expected to hinder the search, said Steve Frady, a spokesman for Reno police and fire departments. He said it was the second time dogs were used to search the area."

http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080123/NEWS/801230349/1033/NEWS01

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ReedJ


I just don't see where an incentive would be for the perp to keep her alive because she would then testify against him in court. IMO [/*]


Well, how about the other two cases, where the girls were let go? They happened within 2-3 blocks from the house where Brianna was. This happens, he could have worn a mask, she wouldn't be able to testify against him because she wouldn't be able to pick him out of a line-up.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by omsk99



Well, how about the other two cases, where the girls were let go? They happened within 2-3 blocks from the house where Brianna was. This happens, he could have worn a mask, she wouldn't be able to testify against him because she wouldn't be able to pick him out of a line-up. [/*]

I suppose if he wore a mask it could still be a possibility, that's a good point. imo. Otherwise I don't really see where someone would allow her to testify against them in court. imo

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ReedJ


I suppose if he wore a mask it could still be a possibility, that's a good point. imo. Otherwise I don't really see where someone would allow her to testify against them in court. imo [/*]

I agree, and as the time goes by, the chances she is OK are getting slimmer :(

[bred]

Do we know if a weapon was used during the other two cases?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by bred
Do we know if a weapon was used during the other two cases? [/*]

No, it hasn't been reported. They said he grabbed them both from behind, so it sounds to me like there was no weapon, unless after that he threatened them with it.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by mxma30



who said it was being used as support for a pillow?

imo, blood on a pillow sounds like a nose bleed. mucous and blood mixed from the nose sounds like... have they checked the fluid for cocaine? was she sick? [/*]

Drugs have crossed my mind too. Blood and mucous sounds like a nose bleed or bleeding from the mouth area. The girlfiends just acted too hinky. If they were involved in drugs that killed their friend, I would understand making her dissappear and them acting so strange.

Not saying this has happened....just throwing out a different scenario than a kidnapping. Just food for thought......

[Nellie]

Originally posted by omsk99


But I think under the circumstances, they wouldn't lie, they would want to help any way they can, no? [/*]

..unless they know something we don't know!

Did you watch their interviews?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by bred
Drunk or not...she's gone. Remember how Kelly Nolan's family was quite secretive about Kelly's consumption that night.

I think I've caught up on posts and links. You guys are tossing around some good thoughts.

Why do you think LE is discounting any connection between the previous abductions and Brianna's? I read those happened at a similar time and very close together. [/*]

The point about drunkiness is not to say she deserved anything bad happening to her. The point is that drunk people really aren't certain of what is happening around them. So if her friends are drunk their memory may not be very good.

[Amy S.]

Can people gamble legally in Reno at 19 and is it easy to get drinks at the casino? Would Brianna have had to have a fake ID?

When I was in Las Vegas recently, the Ballagio was really strict about the age of the patrons that were allowed on the gambling floor.

But they were also at a private party, iirc.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Nellie


..unless they know something we don't know!

Did you watch their interviews? [/*]

No, I didn't, just read about it. I certainly do hope they are not involved in the scenario you suggested, but anything is possible.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by bred
Drunk or not...she's gone. Remember how Kelly Nolan's family was quite secretive about Kelly's consumption that night.

I think I've caught up on posts and links. You guys are tossing around some good thoughts.

Why do you think LE is discounting any connection between the previous abductions and Brianna's? I read those happened at a similar time and very close together. [/*]

I think that the only similarity with those cases are that they happened within 2-3 blocks and at 4-5 am. The MO is different, the guy grabbed the girls from behind, sexually assaulted or tried to , and let them go. There were no home invasions or abductions.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Amy S.
Can people gamble legally in Reno at 19 and is it easy to get drinks at the casino? Would Brianna have had to have a fake ID?

When I was in Las Vegas recently, the Ballagio was really strict about the age of the patrons that were allowed on the gambling floor.

But they were also at a private party, iirc. [/*]

I think it depends on a casino. I've been to Vegas a dozen times, and no one ever asked for my ID, even when I was much younger. And you have a good point, they were at a private party, that may not have been a requirement. Besides, we don't know if she gambled.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by EG~Lives



I don't understand why the confusion? The quote clearly says that KT was DOWNSTAIRS with Brianna right outside her door. The OTHERS were upstairs.



[/*]

Someone posted earlier that both Jessica and K.T. were upstairs, which is why I was confused, because everywhere I read it said K.T. bedroom wall was against the couch.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by EG~Lives


Combined with mucus? I think someone pressed the pillow over her face to quiet her and that is where the blood/mucus came from.


IMO [/*]

Actually, has it been reported about the mucus? The last I read they were analyzing the stain, not results have been given.

[wandering]

Originally posted by mxma30
too much focus on this "stain" on the pillow.

this is a random pillow at a house full of young college students, im sure there is more than just one stain on furniture there.

for all we know it is kool aid.

and as for no noise.. does not seem difficult to creep into an unlocked house, walk 5 feet, and slap some duct tape over her mouth.. grab her arms before she even knows what happened.

i dont think the bear was taken because it had evidence on it.. seems hard to get evidence on the bear but not the floor or blanket.

to me it actually seems really dumb to take the bear, later on if they get any suspects, they can match particles of fur from the bear found in the house and her car. [/*]I guess LE can tell the difference between kool aid and blood.

I would also think her housemates would not have given her a dirty pillowcase. Who would give a friend a pillow with mucous and saliva on it?

[wandering]

Originally posted by omsk99


Actually, has it been reported about the mucus? The last I read they were analyzing the stain, not results have been given. [/*]It was in the initial media reports.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by omsk99


Someone posted earlier that both Jessica and K.T. were upstairs, which is why I was confused, because everywhere I read it said K.T. bedroom wall was against the couch. [/*]

ummm. Earlier you were asking where Jessica was sleeping. I said upstairs and then found and posted the link. I guess I don't know what your thinking/concerns are about the sleeping arrangements??

[omsk99]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


ummm. Earlier you were asking where Jessica was sleeping. I said upstairs and then found and posted the link. I guess I don't know what your thinking/concerns are about the sleeping arrangements?? [/*]

I don't know if it was you, but someone said they both were upstairs, and I read you link, which is why I was confused why that person said that. My only concern about sleeping arrangements was why no one heard anything. That's it.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by EG~Lives



OK... I am having such a hard time keeping up here cuz I can only jump in and out during the day.


Thought I was missing something again! You had to help me out earlier cuz I was behind on info.

I appreciate it! [/*]

It's really slow at work, so I've been here all day. Anytime! :seeya:

[omsk99]

Originally posted by wandering
It was in the initial media reports. [/*]

Thanks, I must have missed it.

[wandering]

here's a link that states the details.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324794,00.html

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by wandering
It was in the initial media reports. [/*]

I've been googling and I can't find a written report about "mucous"???? Was it on TV?

[Amy S.]

Who would give someone a dirty pillow?

A college student.

My 19 yr. old DD never changes her sheets. I go in once a month and I wash them. I know right now, that you would find blood in her bed because she had her wisdom teeth out last week.

Maybe Brianna brought her own pillow with her.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


I've been googling and I can't find a written report about "mucous"???? Was it on TV? [/*]

I just read someone posted on another forum that was on Headline news, but I never heard it myself, no read about it anywhere. They don't even have results out in public yet, as far as I know.

[wandering]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


I've been googling and I can't find a written report about "mucous"???? Was it on TV? [/*]Yes, I've been googling, there's nothing in general anywhere about this case, just the link I posted above. :shrug:

I will check NG transcripts.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Amy S.
Who would give someone a dirty pillow?

A college student.

My 19 yr. old DD never changes her sheets. I go in once a month and I wash them. I know right now, that you would find blood in her bed because she had her wisdom teeth out last week.

Maybe Brianna brought her own pillow with her. [/*]I think the friends would have cleared that up, if that were the case.

[wandering]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


I've been googling and I can't find a written report about "mucous"???? Was it on TV? [/*]Here ya go, RW. Jane Velez-Mitchell reported it on NG.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/21/ng.01.html

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by wandering
Here ya go, RW. Jane Velez-Mitchell reported it on NG.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/21/ng.01.html [/*]

Way to go. ^5

[wandering]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


Way to go. ^5 [/*]Thanks! ;)

[wandering]

Originally posted by EG~Lives



Thanks so much! [/*]YW. ;)

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
You know what; I'm just popping in here but YES it was because I heard it a few days ago too? It was some sort of "mucos" which made me wonder if she had possibly had alcohol poisoning and had thrwn up in her sleep or something like that.............Well, who knows. MF had a good point, maybe there is more to this story? Maybe things were not as straight laced as they sounded? [/*]

Right above is the media link (NG show) about the mucous and blood.

MF will report back about the intoxication level tomorrow. I guess K.T. and Jessica talked to him?