Brianna Denison, 19, UNR, Reno, 1/20/08[BODY FOUND]

[sunstar]

Originally posted by stopthemurde


If his DNA is not in the system (after the backlog is cleared) there is very little to go by... in 4 weeks someone should have come forwards with a tip if he was a local person... I cannot imagine any person in Reno not knowing about the rapes and Brianna being missing - it's been FOUR WEEKS

the SO is not willing to admit their suspicions... just think of that baby shoe in his SUV/truck... he may have a nice family and the wife is not thinking in a million years he could have had anything to do with it. Even Christina, in the Maria L case, did not run to the police but waited almost 24 hours ... the SO is in a terrible spot, and may be in danger or dead already [/*]
That's very true, if he still has a wife or girlfriend, she may be afraid of what he'd do to her or their child (assuming the baby shoe belongs to his child) or she may be just in disbelief, like no way it could be the person she's with and shrug it off. I don't think I'd be as passive though if the truck matched one that was in my garage!

[wandering]

Originally posted by stopthemurde


If his DNA is not in the system (after the backlog is cleared) there is very little to go by... in 4 weeks someone should have come forwards with a tip if he was a local person... I cannot imagine any person in Reno not knowing about the rapes and Brianna being missing - it's been FOUR WEEKS

the SO is not willing to admit their suspicions... just think of that baby shoe in his SUV/truck... he may have a nice family and the wife is not thinking in a million years he could have had anything to do with it. Even Christina, in the Maria L case, did not run to the police but waited almost 24 hours ... the SO is in a terrible spot, and may be in danger or dead already [/*]On the other hand, BTK's wife didn't have a clue. And Amber Frey never watched the news, LE had to clue her in.

[wandering]

On Geraldo now. Briana was strangled. There are 100 sex offenders nearby the abduction.

LE thinks someone has info, and wants them to come forward.

[wandering]

M Fuhrman's theory is that someone got too close to the body (searchers, dogs) and the perp changed the location of the body.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by wandering
On Geraldo now. Briana was strangled. There are 100 sex offenders nearby the abduction.

LE thinks someone has info, and wants them to come forward. [/*]
I found it interesting that there still seems to be some confusion if she'd been where she was found all this time, or maybe recently moved there when LE got too close to where she was or the perp got scared. Also that nothing's been said as to when she died, like when she was abducted or later.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by wandering
M Fuhrman's theory is that someone got too close to the body (searchers, dogs) and the perp changed the location of the body. [/*]
I'll agree with him if it's true that Brianna's body was just recently placed where she was found. Is this the first time the snow has completely melted since Jan. 20?

[Athene]

Originally posted by stopthemurde


I think getting drunk outside your own safety zone (home, friend's house, etc) is definitely way too dangerous... but just going out and having a few drinks and some fun should not kill you any more than going to school or to work.

I also thought that someone may have stalked her after that event they attended... but OMG how can young women live if they have to live in fear of being murdered or raped all the time. I think the SOB may be a teacher or an older student at the U or other school ... obsessing over the young females in his class

Girls can be more cautious but the REAL change has to come from men and their parents to look for early signs of trouble... how do they or we detected these perverts before they start raping, and especially before they start killing?? [/*]

I tend to think he must have be watching her, too, at least earlier that night. What are the chances of a serial rapist randomly happening on a beautiful girl asleep next to an unlocked door who didn't get there until 4AM? I suppose its possible he happened to be in the area and saw her but seems more likely he must have seen her some time prior to when she was abducted.

I also tend to think his DNA is not in the database, when police think they have a serial rapist/murderer whose escalating rapidly I'd be surprised they didn't already get the DNA and put it through the system.

[Molly3]

Originally posted by sunstar

The news said she was strangled, so I'm thinking maybe he's a serial rapist who has escalated to murder now. What scares me is the previous attacks were Nov. 13, Dec. 16 and Brianna's was on Jan. 20 ~ so LE needs to find him before he gets the urge to commit a February crime. [/*]

Agree. One thing, since he's escaslated (some of us think) to murder, maybe it'll satisfy him longer and he'll not repeat in Feb. I pray he doesn't. Otherwise we can look out about the 20-24th of Feb. if I read all this correctly.

Button up Reno. Stay alert, don't be alone and take every precaution.

I hate these perverts. Sad sad waste of America's children. Bah.

[Molly3]

Originally posted by Athene


I tend to think he must have be watching her, too, at least earlier that night. What are the chances of a serial rapist randomly happening on a beautiful girl asleep next to an unlocked door who didn't get there until 4AM? I suppose its possible he happened to be in the area and saw her but seems more likely he must have seen her some time prior to when she was abducted.

I also tend to think his DNA is not in the database, when police think they have a serial rapist/murderer whose escalating rapidly I'd be surprised they didn't already get the DNA and put it through the system. [/*]

I think he stalks the neighborhood. Probably familiar with all the houses and their occupants in that area. Cops are most likely looking for peepers, etc. He probably has a route he travels and favorites he watches. Be my bet.

As far as the drinkin posts go, it's my observation, based on experience, that higher education seems to increase thirst. hehe

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Molly3


Agree. One thing, since he's escaslated (some of us think) to murder, maybe it'll satisfy him longer and he'll not repeat in Feb. I pray he doesn't. Otherwise we can look out about the 20-24th of Feb. if I read all this correctly.

Button up Reno. Stay alert, don't be alone and take every precaution.

I hate these perverts. Sad sad waste of America's children. Bah. [/*]
Was there any other information released today about Brianna other than she'd been strangled? Maybe LE is holding back since the investigation is still ongoing and the perp hasn't been caught, but I didn't hear anything about a sexual assault which seemed strange.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Molly3


Agree. One thing, since he's escaslated (some of us think) to murder, maybe it'll satisfy him longer and he'll not repeat in Feb. I pray he doesn't. Otherwise we can look out about the 20-24th of Feb. if I read all this correctly.

Button up Reno. Stay alert, don't be alone and take every precaution.

I hate these perverts. Sad sad waste of America's children. Bah. [/*]According to Bundy, it escalated after the first kill. He was horrified at first, but he got better with practice. barf


This was too slick, imo. This guy has killed before, imo.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Molly3


Agree. One thing, since he's escaslated (some of us think) to murder, maybe it'll satisfy him longer and he'll not repeat in Feb. I pray he doesn't. Otherwise we can look out about the 20-24th of Feb. if I read all this correctly.

Button up Reno. Stay alert, don't be alone and take every precaution.

I hate these perverts. Sad sad waste of America's children. Bah. [/*]He's probably somewhere else, now. People should be noting if a guy matching that description that they know has suddenly disappeared.

[Molly3]

Originally posted by sunstar

Was there any other information released today about Brianna other than she'd been strangled? Maybe LE is holding back since the investigation is still ongoing and the perp hasn't been caught, but I didn't hear anything about a sexual assault which seemed strange. [/*]

Yeah on some of the links upstream the cops said it was sexually motivated. You can be sure that was his purpose. Probably just not telling us all the details as yet. It'll come out and I think these Reno guys will get this pervert.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Molly3


Yeah on some of the links upstream the cops said it was sexually motivated. You can be sure that was his purpose. Probably just not telling us all the details as yet. It'll come out and I think these Reno guys will get this pervert. [/*]
Thanks, I missed the press conference, and figured that was part of the crime but the details hadn't been given out.

[Molly3]

Originally posted by wandering
According to Bundy, it escalated after the first kill. He was horrified at first, but he got better with practice. barf


This was too slick, imo. This guy has killed before, imo. [/*]

That's true in Bundy's case.

I dunno about this perps having killed before. I hadn't decided about that yet. Been mullin it over.

If these 4 assualts are all they can connect, then no he hasn't. That's not to say he hasn't been working up to it and fantasizing about it.

You kids forgive my typos tonight, fingers real stiff today. they try to tell me it's arthritis. bah.

Remember with these creeps the fantasy is what it's all about. Would be interesting to have more crime scene information in that what is done to the body really marks the degree of escalation.

Could be he killed Bri because he couldn't afford to let her go. I doubt that, but felt I had to throw it out. I really feel he killed her because he wanted to.

Remember Reno, this guy does a blitz type attack. Watch your surroundings. He likes to come up from behind.

[Molly3]

Originally posted by sunstar

Thanks, I missed the press conference, and figured that was part of the crime but the details hadn't been given out. [/*]

Yes and we can be sure Nevada has the death penalty. Noone deserves it more, imo.

Can't wait til the cops catch this perverted coward. Bah

Can't even face the women, has to take em out from behind. Sneak creep.

[n/t]

Just heard the news. :(

RIP Brianna :rose:

[Molly3]

Originally posted by wandering
He's probably somewhere else, now. People should be noting if a guy matching that description that they know has suddenly disappeared. [/*]

Could very well be. Yes, anybody fitting that description who leaves the area would be interesting, imo.

I think he might probably still be there. It's h is territory ya know.

If he does relocate he'll probably go to a similar area. One that contains his target victims.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Molly3


Yes and we can be sure Nevada has the death penalty. Noone deserves it more, imo.

Can't wait til the cops catch this perverted coward. Bah

Can't even face the women, has to take em out from behind. Sneak creep. [/*]
Another thing of note, hasn't it been mentioned that the Nov. & Dec. victims have a similar appearance to Brianna, as if he's looking for a certain "type" of woman to brutalize?

[Molly3]

Originally posted by sunstar

Another thing of note, hasn't it been mentioned that the Nov. & Dec. victims have a similar appearance to Brianna, as if he's looking for a certain "type" of woman to brutalize? [/*]

Yep.

See you kids tomorrow.

[wandering]

Originally posted by sunstar

Another thing of note, hasn't it been mentioned that the Nov. & Dec. victims have a similar appearance to Brianna, as if he's looking for a certain "type" of woman to brutalize? [/*]Very Ted Bundy-like, isn't it?

G'nite. :seeya:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by wandering
Very Ted Bundy-like, isn't it?

G'nite. :seeya: [/*]
It sure does remind me of him. :eek:

Have a good night! :seeya:

[bred]

I think the body was dumped there right away.

I wish some news station would get ahold of the man who spotted her body. I thought it looked like a dip in the land, meaning Bri couldn't be seen from the road and why would these workers be walking through waist-high grass as they returned from lunch? So how was she first seen?

The only reason I think that MAYBE the perp had watched the house or knew someone is because I doubt if he would have entered if the 2 male roommates were home. One of them could have been sleeping on the floor next to Bri. or curled up on the loveseat. No way did he witness the 2 men leave for the weekend, Bri arrive, Bri and KT leave, Jessica arrive, and finally Bri and KT arrive home.

[duncan]

I just heard the bad news.


:rose:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by bred
I think the body was dumped there right away.

I wish some news station would get ahold of the man who spotted her body. I thought it looked like a dip in the land, meaning Bri couldn't be seen from the road and why would these workers be walking through waist-high grass as they returned from lunch? So how was she first seen?

[/*]
From what I understand about this part, it had been snowing or snow was on the ground up until this past week. So she would've been covered until the snow melted. I read she was about 100 ft. from the road, so maybe they could easily see her from there despite the tall brown grass.

[Politigal]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23200481/

[Politigal]

Brianna was missing for about a month right? But police said the body appears to be have in that field for about a week. Does that mean she was probably kept alive for a while after abducted?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Politigal
Brianna was missing for about a month right? But police said the body appears to be have in that field for about a week. Does that mean she was probably kept alive for a while after abducted? [/*]
Mark Fuhrman was commenting on Geraldo's show tonight that if Brianna had only been where she was found for around a week that the perp could've moved her body because searchers/dogs/LE were getting "too close" to him. :shrug:

[Anakerie]

I have a truck driver friend that drives through Reno 4 days a week hauling the US Mail. He calls me regularly for weather and road conditions. Up until this past week, the snow up there has been pretty heavy. The articles are saying that her body had been in that field for more than a week. So, if her body was dumped there shortly after she was abducted, she might have been buried in the snow all this time. We'd have to ask someone who actually lives in Reno, but judging by the calls I've gotten from my friend that drives through there, the snow has been fairly deep until the weather started warming up last week.

[Politigal]

Originally posted by sunstar

Mark Fuhrman was commenting on Geraldo's show tonight that if Brianna had only been where she was found for around a week that the perp could've moved her body because searchers/dogs/LE were getting "too close" to him. :shrug: [/*]

I guess that would be a possibility too.

Darn I hope they catch him.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Anakerie
I have a truck driver friend that drives through Reno 4 days a week hauling the US Mail. He calls me regularly for weather and road conditions. Up until this past week, the snow up there has been pretty heavy. The articles are saying that her body had been in that field for more than a week. So, if her body was dumped there shortly after she was abducted, she might have been buried in the snow all this time. We'd have to ask someone who actually lives in Reno, but judging by the calls I've gotten from my friend that drives through there, the snow has been fairly deep until the weather started warming up last week. [/*]
Thanks, that's what I originally understood that the snow had been there until about a week ago, and piling up, so her body would've been buried in snow until it melted away over the past week. I think that's where the confusion is in the statements we've heard. :)

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Politigal


I guess that would be a possibility too.

Darn I hope they catch him. [/*]
I'm hoping he's caught very soon too before he strikes again.

Prayers for Brianna's family :rose:

Goodnight everyone :seeya:

[jokell]

I just heard on the news.......so sad.:rose:

I hope they find the sob that did this before he does it again!


I have a question........I did a reading on her earlier (some may remember) and now that post has vanished? Anyone know the reason for that? In it I did say she was strangled and I mentioned a few other things.....nothing graphic so I cannot understand why it would have been deleted. Very Odd.

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by sunstar

Thanks, that's what I originally understood that the snow had been there until about a week ago, and piling up, so her body would've been buried in snow until it melted away over the past week. I think that's where the confusion is in the statements we've heard. :) [/*]

I found a weather calendar that has the weather "history" for Reno...

wunderground weather calendar - January (http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KRNO/2008/1/16/MonthlyHistory.html#calendar)


wunderground weather calendar - February (http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KRNO/2008/2/16/MonthlyHistory.html#calendar)

You can see how many "snow" days there were and what the temperatures were.........

ETA: you have to remember that Reno is not on FLAT ground. There is a definite slope because of the Sierra Nevada Mountain range on the West side of the city. So there would be more snow in some areas of town and less in others...

[duncan]

Originally posted by Politigal
Brianna was missing for about a month right? But police said the body appears to be have in that field for about a week. Does that mean she was probably kept alive for a while after abducted? [/*]


I tremble at the very thought that she was tortured for so long, this man is a demon, I pray he is found before he strikes again.

[ruby]

Originally posted by jokell
I just heard on the news.......so sad.:rose:

I hope they find the sob that did this before he does it again!


I have a question........I did a reading on her earlier (some may remember) and now that post has vanished? Anyone know the reason for that? In it I did say she was strangled and I mentioned a few other things.....nothing graphic so I cannot understand why it would have been deleted. Very Odd. [/*]

Hi Jokell, Im surprised it was taken off, not sure why, but I do remember you saying something about Strangulation. You seem to be on to something with these visions (re: Meredith and Bri). Keep at it!

[ruby]

Still really sad to hear the news of Bri. I think it's the outcome we were all expecting. We have to be greatful that her body has now been found, and her family and friends can stop worrying about where she is, and if she is alive or not. Reno PD will do everything in their power to catch this monster, I have no doubt. I have faith he will be found and he will be prosecuted. One article upthread said PD found a lot more evidence at the dump-site....hopefully this gives them the upper-hand.


Bri, you are a beautiful girl, and you will be missed by more people than you could ever realise. Rest in peace angel. :rose:

:(

[ruby]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/16/missing.student.ap/index.html

The killer's familiarity with the city suggests he likely lives in Reno, Johns said, adding that he believes the "chances are very good" they will catch him.

"It could be tomorrow, next month, next year. We are going to find this suspect," he told reporters.

The killer probably lives near the campus just north of the downtown casino district or on the city's nearby northwest side, Johns said, and he may work closer to the city's southeast side, where the body was found.

"Somewhere in our community there is a wife, a mom, a girlfriend, a sister who recognizes this suspect. Likely he looks like somebody you would least suspect, but that is the person who is responsible for this crime," he said.

[ruby]

Stay safe and smart everyone. Goodnight...:seeya:

[mxma30]

is the front page of fox news an error?

Manhunt in Reno
Cops ID body of missing Reno college student

Cops say body found in field is 19-year-old Brianna Denison, suspect is serial rapist wanted in 2 other deaths


if they are talking about the other 2 cases linked by DNA, i thought there were no other deaths? or are they saying its someone completely different?

sorry if this was already discussed

[Politigal]

Not to sound morbid, but I wish police would share if they found other forensic evidence on Brianna - such as dog hair, or something like that. It might help to learn more about the suspect.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by ruby
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/16/missing.student.ap/index.html

The killer's familiarity with the city suggests he likely lives in Reno, Johns said, adding that he believes the "chances are very good" they will catch him.

"It could be tomorrow, next month, next year. We are going to find this suspect," he told reporters.

The killer probably lives near the campus just north of the downtown casino district or on the city's nearby northwest side, Johns said, and he may work closer to the city's southeast side, where the body was found.

"Somewhere in our community there is a wife, a mom, a girlfriend, a sister who recognizes this suspect. Likely he looks like somebody you would least suspect, but that is the person who is responsible for this crime," he said. [/*]

This guy reminds me of the guy who kidnapped Kelsey from the Target parking lot. He knew the area well, was married and had a child of his own. I would be willing to bet somebody does indeed know who this guy is.

[Cookies]

OMG NO!
I just heard.

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[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by sunstar

Another thing of note, hasn't it been mentioned that the Nov. & Dec. victims have a similar appearance to Brianna, as if he's looking for a certain "type" of woman to brutalize? [/*]

Hi Sunstar,

LE has noted that all the victims were the same type, slender with long hair.

Here is a brake down on serial rapist:



The Emotional and Physical Aspects of a Violent Offender

Daniel Collazzi


“Violent offenders who rape their victims fall into different categories. These are different types of rapists, who rape for different reasons and do it in different ways. Nonetheless, they are all monsters. Profiles created for each kind of rapist can be used to track down and punished the different types of rapists accordingly.

The Power Reassurance Rapist is the most common type of rapist. He usually will carry a weapon or claim to be, but will not use it or use any more force than necessary to fulfill his fantasy. He wants to express his power through sex, not physical injury. This offender spends an extended period of time with the victim, may compliment her appearance, and may even apologize for what he has just done to her.

The Power Assertive Rapist is primarily concerned with showing how "manly" he is through extreme violence. Unlike the Power Reassurance Rapist, this one is not concerned with the extent of suffering of the victim and usually uses more force than necessary to subdue her.

The Anger Retaliatory Rapist is even more violent. He has a deep hatred towards women and so lashes out against them. Many of his victims require hospitalization.

The Anger Excitation Rapist or sexual sadist is sexually stimulated by the amount of suffering his victim endures. He is the most dangerous type of rapist.”



It sounds to me like Reno’s rapist is the power assertive type. That is if killing Brianna was a accident, or happened because the situation got out of his control.

If he killed her on purpose, then we are dealing with the most dangerous type of individual.

[Lincoln]

They have the POS's DNA.He will be caught.


:rose:

[bred]

TY M5...you're always teaching us somethin'! I agree with your typing of the perp.

The msnbc link above mentions that police feel the snow kept Bri's body hidden. IMO that means she had been there a long time, not tortured for days, not moved. Just my interpretation of LE comment.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Cookies
OMG NO!
I just heard.

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I just heard too. They said the perp may be a serial "rapist". Uh, murderer too.

[Cookies]

Originally posted by annalyzer


I just heard too. They said the perp may be a serial "rapist". Uh, murderer too. [/*]

Still cannot believe it.

:rose:

[bred]

Mxma30. I meant to comment on your question and forgot and now I see annalyzer has brought it up. I thought it must be an error. Where/how does "serial murderer" fit in here?

[jokell]

Originally posted by ruby


Hi Jokell, Im surprised it was taken off, not sure why, but I do remember you saying something about Strangulation. You seem to be on to something with these visions (re: Meredith and Bri). Keep at it! [/*]

Thanks Ruby! The only reason I can think of is I mentioned a name. So I will simply give initials now.....First name starts with a "Bee" and second name starts with a "C". He has light colored hair. Something about "2 mile road" and I also got the word "Frog".

Not sure what the last 2 things mean but maybe it will make more sense once he is caught. Let me just say these are my "opinions".

I'll do some google searches on the frog thing.

[febreze]

sad to hear Brianna body was found ,like everyone i so hoped she would be found alive
This world has become such a scary place, with so many people coming to harm by the sick ,decrepted people that roam every where, no one is really safe anymore. I truly think it has come to the point when you have to look over your shoulder at all times.

[duncan]

Originally posted by febreze
sad to hear Brianna body was found ,like everyone i so hoped she would be found alive
This world has become such a scary place, with so many people coming to harm by the sick ,decrepted people that roam every where, no one is really safe anymore. I truly think it has come to the point when you have to look over your shoulder at all times. [/*]


The gates of hell are wide open and the demons are busy, I pray more than I have ever prayed, LE can't be everywhere so I rely on the protection of God.

So sad that she laid in the snow for so long. I hope he is caught before he strikes again.

[femquest]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Maelstrom5
While I never blame the victim in a missing person case, I think it is fair to ask the question; Did anything happen or take place just before they vanished, that sheds insight into what may have happened?

What do the following young women have in common?

Deidre Harm, Imette St. Guillen, Michelle Gardner-Quinn, Kelly Nolan, Stepha Henry, Emily Sander, and Brianna Denison.

The answer is twofold; all were out drinking with friends before they disappeared, and all are murder victims. Brianna’s case is extra heart wrenching because unlike the others she made it home safe.

You can never hope to understand what may have happened to a missing person if you do so in a vacuum.

****snipped for bandwidth*****

Answer: What the "following young women" HAD in common:
They were young women who were vulnerable and have, as do ALL WOMEN, a 2-legged predator, who is not recognizable in any way.

Sorry if I sound clipped or abrasive. It's nothing personal, Maelstrom.

But I've read one too many graphic descriptions of an abducted, murdered, young woman lately... TEEN, Pregnant, once-beloved by the men who killed them, as well as perps who are strangers. I say I won't read any more but it's like not being able to look away from a trainwreck. The past few days... before I fall asleep I'm seeing the anguished faces of these young victims...
just before they are strangled. It's disturbing and never happened before.

I just can't go near the SEMANTICS of what they had in common or what preceded their murders. Unless they were commiiting armed robbery or a house invasion, NOTHING else warrants their being murdered... unless, we count the fact that THEY WERE BORN LITTLE GIRLS!

IMO.

[Cheri_G]

Originally posted by bred
Mxma30. I meant to comment on your question and forgot and now I see annalyzer has brought it up. I thought it must be an error. Where/how does "serial murderer" fit in here? [/*]

He's not a serial murderer......yet. Let's hope they catch him before he can be classed as such.

[Maelstrom5]

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Answer: What the "following young women" HAD in common:
They were young women who were vulnerable and have, as do ALL WOMEN, a 2-legged predator, who is not recognizable in any way.

Sorry if I sound clipped or abrasive. It's nothing personal, Maelstrom.

But I've read one too many graphic descriptions of an abducted, murdered, young woman lately... TEEN, Pregnant, once-beloved by the men who killed them, as well as perps who are strangers. I say I won't read any more but it's like not being able to look away from a trainwreck. The past few days... before I fall asleep I'm seeing the anguished faces of these young victims...
just before they are strangled. It's disturbing and never happened before.

I just can't go near the SEMANTICS of what they had in common or what preceded their murders. Unless they were commiiting armed robbery or a house invasion, NOTHING else warrants their being murdered... unless, we count the fact that THEY WERE BORN LITTLE GIRLS!

IMO. [/*][/QUOTE]

Hi,

No offence take, I agree with you and share your anguish. There are far to many cases of young women being killed by monsters.

It only takes full knowledge about one case to pray there will never be another.

For me it was the kidnap, beating, gang rape, torture and murder of Maryann Measles, she was 13.

My formal education was in History.

I have long held the belief expressed by The philosopher George Santayana "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it,"

This is frequently misquoted as “those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.”

Both quotes apply equally here.

[bred]

M5 answer this one if you know, please. This perp has now progressed to murder...would he ever again be satisfied with assaults like before?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Anakerie


I found a weather calendar that has the weather "history" for Reno...

wunderground weather calendar - January (http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KRNO/2008/1/16/MonthlyHistory.html#calendar)


wunderground weather calendar - February (http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KRNO/2008/2/16/MonthlyHistory.html#calendar)

You can see how many "snow" days there were and what the temperatures were.........

ETA: you have to remember that Reno is not on FLAT ground. There is a definite slope because of the Sierra Nevada Mountain range on the West side of the city. So there would be more snow in some areas of town and less in others... [/*]
Thanks so very much :) this information is helpful! I've never been there so I wasn't sure of the terrain, although I knew mountains were nearby. The daytime temps. in February aren't that low at all.

[Missti]

Very sad to say this...I can't keep up with these cases anymore...I get them all confused - so many to follow.

Is the "perp" in this case...the guy with the baby bootie in the truck, and the "shaved private area"??

If I am on the right track...I know there are men who shave "there" - but wonder if there is a baby involved, would the spouse not be questioning things by now??

[bred]

Yes, Missti, you are on the right track. One would think that by now a wife, friend, mother, co-worker, SOMEONE would have put 2 and 2 together. I did read that tips are pouring in, so maybe the answer has arrived and we just don't know yet.

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by sunstar

Thanks so very much :) this information is helpful! I've never been there so I wasn't sure of the terrain, although I knew mountains were nearby. The daytime temps. in February aren't that low at all. [/*]

I've been in Reno many times over the years. I live about 3 hours away in the Northern Sacramento Valley in California. Reno is a fun place to go and play. In the past I had friends living up there and we used to spend a lot of time up there with them. Our friends lived on the southwest side of Reno. Up on the slope of the Sierras. It was sometimes surprising to see snow on the ground at our friends house and then none on the ground when we went downtown. The weather in Reno can be odd at times this time of year. A little of this and a little of that on the same day on different sides of town.

[wandering]

It's also possible he borrows the truck, from a brother or buddy. :shrug:

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by wandering
It's also possible he borrows the truck, from a brother or buddy. :shrug: [/*]

Possible, I suppose. But, with the description of the truck, wouldn't the brother or buddy recognize it?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Anakerie


I've been in Reno many times over the years. I live about 3 hours away in the Northern Sacramento Valley in California. Reno is a fun place to go and play. In the past I had friends living up there and we used to spend a lot of time up there with them. Our friends lived on the southwest side of Reno. Up on the slope of the Sierras. It was sometimes surprising to see snow on the ground at our friends house and then none on the ground when we went downtown. The weather in Reno can be odd at times this time of year. A little of this and a little of that on the same day on different sides of town. [/*]
Thanks again :) That does help explain how Brianna's body was found. The photos I've seen showed some tall brown grass and it's hard to imagine it was completely covered in snow just a few days ago since it looks so dry. The temperatures this month would also seem like the snow would've melted much earlier.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by wandering
It's also possible he borrows the truck, from a brother or buddy. :shrug: [/*]
That part seems odd to me too that someone hasn't identified him through the truck since the description of its interior was so detailed.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by sunstar

From what I understand about this part, it had been snowing or snow was on the ground up until this past week. So she would've been covered until the snow melted. I read she was about 100 ft. from the road, so maybe they could easily see her from there despite the tall brown grass. [/*]


She was 100 feet from a main road but only about 10 feet from the street she was found nearby. (Some reports do not state this clearly).

This morning my sister and I went to put a blue teddy bear and flowers at the site and when there you realize that she was truly in the middle of a busy, busy area. Yes she was in a grassy field but it was not a large field.

Several people who work in that area walk around there during lunch (from business workers to laborers). This is a known fact to a lot of people. I find it difficult to believe he was trying to hide her well by placing her there.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by mxma30
is the front page of fox news an error?

Manhunt in Reno
Cops ID body of missing Reno college student

Cops say body found in field is 19-year-old Brianna Denison, suspect is serial rapist wanted in 2 other deaths


if they are talking about the other 2 cases linked by DNA, i thought there were no other deaths? or are they saying its someone completely different?

sorry if this was already discussed [/*]


Foxnews was incorrect? :D

I did not see that but if that is what it said, it was an error. You are correct in thinking he has been linked to 2 other attacks but not 2 other deaths.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by butterfly28



She was 100 feet from a main road but only about 10 feet from the street she was found nearby. (Some reports do not state this clearly).

This morning my sister and I went to put a blue teddy bear and flowers at the site and when there you realize that she was truly in the middle of a busy, busy area. Yes she was in a grassy field but it was not a large field.

Several people who work in that area walk around there during lunch (from business workers to laborers). This is a known fact to a lot of people. I find it difficult to believe he was trying to hide her well by placing her there. [/*]
One of the first photos I saw in the Reno news showed a road and cars very close by. I still think he dumped her there when it was snowing (and snow on the ground) and maybe couldn't walk far carrying her.

[sunstar]

Geraldo's on and talking about Brianna. :) Mark is saying the suspect might not be a resident of Reno but maybe a former student of the university who knows the area well, or someone who just passes through the area regularly.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Anakerie


It was sometimes surprising to see snow on the ground at our friends house and then none on the ground when we went downtown. The weather in Reno can be odd at times this time of year. A little of this and a little of that on the same day on different sides of town. [/*]

Thank you Anakerie. Perfect description of Reno snow/weather. You can be in the NW and have a foot of snow then none on the valley floor only 10 minutes away. South Meadows (where Bri was found) is not at a high elevation.

[ruby]

I would like to know what the other evidence they found in the field was...

[sunstar]

Originally posted by ruby
I would like to know what the other evidence they found in the field was... [/*]
I'm wondering if it was the teddy bear?

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by sunstar

I'm wondering if it was the teddy bear? [/*]

During the press conference the police asked that the public still keep an eye out for the bear so I do not believe it was recovered near her body.

[ruby]

Originally posted by butterfly28


During the press conference the police asked that the public still keep an eye out for the bear so I do not believe it was recovered near her body. [/*]

I think that teddy bear is either at the dump by now, or with a child....

[sunstar]

Originally posted by butterfly28


During the press conference the police asked that the public still keep an eye out for the bear so I do not believe it was recovered near her body. [/*]
Oh thanks, I'd missed that part of the news conference. :) The only other evidence I can think of is maybe he left whatever he used to strangle her around her neck?

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by sunstar

Oh thanks, I'd missed that part of the news conference. :) The only other evidence I can think of is maybe he left whatever he used to strangle her around her neck? [/*]

I thought the same thing. I was surprised the bear was not with her. I thought he would have gotten rid of both at the same time. :shrug: I know we will have answers as soon as this coward is caught.

[Kip]

Re the description of the truck - the description of the radio seems the most unusual. I don't think I've seen a car radio with red and blue LED read-outs. I wonder if any trucks come with a radio like that as a standard feature. If not, I hope LE's checking car stereo installation places.

Re people not identifying the suspect from the description - as others have said, he may not be in the area and people may not have heard about the case. I live 4 hours from Reno and I'm sure my husband doesn't know anything about it. Sometimes the sketch isn't that good.

Also, even if a sketch looks like someone you know, unless the person has a history of getting in trouble with the law or you have some other reason to suspect him, it's easy to assume it's a coincidence. If a sketch of a suspect was released that looked like your husband or father or other trusted person you know well, how many of us would call the police and how many would joke about it?

Another possibility is that a tip has been called in and LE has discounted it for some reason. I remember a case in Florida where a guy killed a mother and her two teenage daughters. LE released a note with the suspect's handwriting (directions he had written out for the trio). A neighbor of the suspect called LE and identified him and they never followed up. Every time the case would come up in the media, the neighbor would call again. It was at least a year before LE followed up on it (and it was the guy).

[wandering]

Originally posted by Anakerie


Possible, I suppose. But, with the description of the truck, wouldn't the brother or buddy recognize it? [/*]You would think so. Assuming his bro or buddy is law-abiding.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by bred
M5 answer this one if you know, please. This perp has now progressed to murder...would he ever again be satisfied with assaults like before? [/*]

Hi bred ,

I don’t really know the answer to you question. I think it will to a large extend depend on why Bri was killed. If this happened because things got out of his control (She faught back, tried to scream, etc.) then I think he may go back to just raping his victims. But If it was because he decided to make sure his victim could not identify him in court or because he got a extra thrill from the murder the he may well kill again.

I do not think he is going to go after coeds again any time soon, at least not in Reno. If he attacks in the city again I think he will go after housewives or hookers. Women who feel they are not in his target group so may not be taking the extra precautions that the students are.

A resent story in the blog “In Cold Blog” tells of the escalation of one serial rapist to a serial killer.

From: “A Complex Case” by CAROL ANNE DAVIS

“By 1984, the men were still raping together but one of the men - later identified as John Francis Duffy - was also raping women on his own. In 1985, he was taken to court for raping his ex-wife and for assaulting her lover at knifepoint. Police duly added him to their database of possible Railway Rapist suspects. At court, Duffy recognized one of the women that he’d raped (she didn’t recognize him) and it seems that he decided to kill future victims so that he couldn’t be identified.”

By the way if you are really interested in true crime then you should add “In Cold Blog” to you desktop home page. Just Google the title and they will walk you through how to add it.

[ruby]

This whole shaving of the genital area isn't a big deal in my opinion. Like I've mentioned before, MANY men and women shave this area. And secondly, as a serial rapist, he probably doesn't want to leave any 'hairs' behind.
Makes a lot of sense to me.

[butterfly28]

America's Most Wanted crew in Reno
(This is wonderful news. That show brings in many tips)

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080218/NEWS18/80218003&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews


Hundreds visit site where Brianna found

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080218/NEWS01/802180333&theme=

[butterfly28]

Serial Rapist on Loose Spreads Fear Around Reno University Campus

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331016,00.html

[Maelstrom5]

From the second story posted by butterfly28

"This just isn't supposed to happen here. Now I don't leave my children alone, or work late or leave work alone," Dunmire said. "I can't imagine she had been there for more than a week this whole time.

"I have fear to be in my own community. It's a reality check that not everyone around here is a good guy."

Linda Pearce of Reno agreed.

"Reno is a small town and has always been safe," Pearce said. "It's always been safe. It's frightening that she was snatched off (a) couch. It's frightening to know that a serial person is in our midst."

While I think the statements expressed in this article are probably true it does not mean that other young children and other young adults have not vanished off the streets of Reno without a trace.

STAR PALUMBO was was last seen on April 26, 2000 in Reno, Nevada. Somewhere in Nevada, someone knows something.
(taken from Star's MySpace page)

http://www.myspace.com/starpalumbo

RENE ALBERTO ROMERO was 1 day short of his 4th birthday when he was last seen at his residence in Reno, Nevada on November 28, 1994. He has not been seen or heard from since.

It is true that the bulk of missing people in Nevada come from Las Vegas, and in some ways given the transient nature of that city it is to be expected.

Why don't we know about them?

Simple, we never hear about them. Much has been written about Brianna but not a word has been said about 15 year old MEGAN MARIE DALY. Megan was last seen on Jan. 12 2008 in Las Vegas. What has happened to this pretty girl with long blonde hair.. we simply don't know. Like Star, maybe we never will.

[PlainJane]

Originally posted by Kip

<snipped>
Re people not identifying the suspect from the description - as others have said, he may not be in the area and people may not have heard about the case. I live 4 hours from Reno and I'm sure my husband doesn't know anything about it. Sometimes the sketch isn't that good.

Also, even if a sketch looks like someone you know, unless the person has a history of getting in trouble with the law or you have some other reason to suspect him, it's easy to assume it's a coincidence. If a sketch of a suspect was released that looked like your husband or father or other trusted person you know well, how many of us would call the police and how many would joke about it?

Another possibility is that a tip has been called in and LE has discounted it for some reason. I remember a case in Florida where a guy killed a mother and her two teenage daughters. LE released a note with the suspect's handwriting (directions he had written out for the trio). A neighbor of the suspect called LE and identified him and they never followed up. Every time the case would come up in the media, the neighbor would call again. It was at least a year before LE followed up on it (and it was the guy). [/*]

I agree - if a sketch came out that looked like my husband, we'd joke about it. Also, I remember reading that Shawn Hornbeck (boy abducted in Missouri and found when second boy (Ben Ownby) was abducted by the same guy) had been told he looked "like that missing kid".

I am absolutely amazed about the FL story. Why the heck did police release the handwriting sample if they intended to ignore the replies? :shrug:

[n/t]

Nancy Grace covering the case tonight.

[wandering]

Originally posted by n/t
Nancy Grace covering the case tonight. [/*]Thanks for the heads up. :seeya:

[n/t]

Originally posted by wandering
Thanks for the heads up. :seeya: [/*]

YW :seeya:

Son is watching Prison Break and he told me yesterday that he wanted the tv. I think it's the Season Finale. *sigh*

If anybody is watching and can give us updates, it would be greatly appreciated.

[Nellie]

I find it disturbing that this man may have done 3 rapes previous to abducting Brianna and no one seemed too concerned. Why is that? Was it publicized? Why didn't they have the composite drawing before Brianna was abducted, since the description was given by one of the previous victims. It just disturbs me that there was no attention given to the previous cases (or so it seems) and people didn't seem too afraid....until now. It makes me wonder if more had been done in the earlier cases if he could have been caught BEFORE Brianna was kidnapped. It's just so sad. And maybe locally there was more attention given to the previous cases, but it just seemed details of his description wasn't given out publically until after Bri dissappeared. Then it makes me wonder if he didn't mean to kill her, considering he took the other victim home. With this description, it just doesn't seem it would be that hard to find the perp. I pray he is caught soon. He was sure nervy to abduct her with other people present in the same house. I guess it's happened before though.
This case is just so sad, but yet so familiar. This is happening way too often.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Nellie
I find it disturbing that this man may have done 3 rapes previous to abducting Brianna and no one seemed too concerned. Why is that? Was it publicized? Why didn't they have the composite drawing before Brianna was abducted, since the description was given by one of the previous victims. It just disturbs me that there was no attention given to the previous cases (or so it seems) and people didn't seem too afraid....until now. It makes me wonder if more had been done in the earlier cases if he could have been caught BEFORE Brianna was kidnapped. It's just so sad. And maybe locally there was more attention given to the previous cases, but it just seemed details of his description wasn't given out publically until after Bri dissappeared. Then it makes me wonder if he didn't mean to kill her, considering he took the other victim home. With this description, it just doesn't seem it would be that hard to find the perp. I pray he is caught soon. He was sure nervy to abduct her with other people present in the same house. I guess it's happened before though.
This case is just so sad, but yet so familiar. This is happening way too often. [/*]


I agree Nellie. I was watching Headline News and they gave detailed description of his shaved private parts hoping an ex girlfriend or someone who has seen him would come forward. I wondered who the heck would give these details and why did they not come forward sooner.

Very disturbing! :(

[wandering]

Originally posted by Nellie
I find it disturbing that this man may have done 3 rapes previous to abducting Brianna and no one seemed too concerned. Why is that? Was it publicized? Why didn't they have the composite drawing before Brianna was abducted, since the description was given by one of the previous victims. It just disturbs me that there was no attention given to the previous cases (or so it seems) and people didn't seem too afraid....until now. It makes me wonder if more had been done in the earlier cases if he could have been caught BEFORE Brianna was kidnapped. It's just so sad. And maybe locally there was more attention given to the previous cases, but it just seemed details of his description wasn't given out publically until after Bri dissappeared. Then it makes me wonder if he didn't mean to kill her, considering he took the other victim home. With this description, it just doesn't seem it would be that hard to find the perp. I pray he is caught soon. He was sure nervy to abduct her with other people present in the same house. I guess it's happened before though.
This case is just so sad, but yet so familiar. This is happening way too often. [/*]I think rapes aren't taken as seriously as they should be. Shouldn't LE know that rapists are dangerous, and that some rapists escalate to murder?

Jmo, but I think men in general don't think rape is such a big deal. When someone talks about it, some of them chuckle and make jokes like "Well, you're so good looking..."


:flamemad:

[wandering]

Originally posted by n/t



I agree Nellie. I was watching Headline News and they gave detailed description of his shaved private parts hoping an ex girlfriend or someone who has seen him would come forward. I wondered who the heck would give these details and why did they not come forward sooner.

Very disturbing! :( [/*]I believe that info came from one of his rape victims.

[n/t]

Originally posted by wandering
I believe that info came from one of his rape victims. [/*]

Thanks! I missed the part where they said it was from one of his rape victims.

[wandering]

I just had a thought...wondering if he recently went through a divorce and custody hearing. There was a baby shoe in the car, and a stack of typed documents.

He might be full of rage, and found an outlet in the rapes/killing.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by n/t



I agree Nellie. I was watching Headline News and they gave detailed description of his shaved private parts hoping an ex girlfriend or someone who has seen him would come forward. I wondered who the heck would give these details and why did they not come forward sooner.

Very disturbing! :( [/*]

N/t,

That information was obtained from the Dec. victim the day it happened, it just was not reported in the press until after Brianna was abducted on Jan 20.

There was next to no coverage of the December attack in the press.

I'm not sure if the UNR did a reverse 911 to it students about this attack or not. Not a single student has metioned that they knew about the Nov./Dec. attacks before Brianna was taken.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Nellie
I find it disturbing that this man may have done 3 rapes previous to abducting Brianna and no one seemed too concerned. Why is that? Was it publicized? Why didn't they have the composite drawing before Brianna was abducted, since the description was given by one of the previous victims. It just disturbs me that there was no attention given to the previous cases (or so it seems) and people didn't seem too afraid....until now. It makes me wonder if more had been done in the earlier cases if he could have been caught BEFORE Brianna was kidnapped. It's just so sad. And maybe locally there was more attention given to the previous cases, but it just seemed details of his description wasn't given out publically until after Bri dissappeared. Then it makes me wonder if he didn't mean to kill her, considering he took the other victim home. With this description, it just doesn't seem it would be that hard to find the perp. I pray he is caught soon. He was sure nervy to abduct her with other people present in the same house. I guess it's happened before though.
This case is just so sad, but yet so familiar. This is happening way too often. [/*]


The victim who provided the description for the sketch did not come forward until after Bri was kidnapped.

I feel he may not have meant to kill her as well for those same reasons. And yes, this is all too familiar :( .

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by butterfly28



The victim who provided the description for the sketch did not come forward until after Bri was kidnapped.

I feel he may not have meant to kill her as well for those same reasons. And yes, this is all too familiar :( . [/*]

I believe the victim who provided the information for the sketch did come forward before Bri was taken. Didn't they say that they had a DNA link between that victim and Bri? So they had to have done a rape kit on the other victim in order to have the DNA. Rape kits don't do any good if the victim waits a month to report.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Anakerie


I believe the victim who provided the information for the sketch did come forward before Bri was taken. Didn't they say that they had a DNA link between that victim and Bri? So they had to have done a rape kit on the other victim in order to have the DNA. Rape kits don't do any good if the victim waits a month to report. [/*]


The victim who provided the details for the sketch came forward Jan. 31st after hearing about Bri but you are correct in that they could not get his DNA since it had not just occurred. However there was a DNA link established between the person who took Bri and a second attack (from a victim who was unable to see his face).

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080131/NEWS18/80131074/0/NEWS18&theme=DENISON

"Reno police have linked a second sexual attack to the recent kidnapping of a 19-year-old college student and said Thursday that a rape last year only a few blocks away had been reported Wednesday.
A University of Nevada, Reno student told police she was raped in a UNR parking garage about 10 p.m. Oct. 22 south of Lawlor Events Center and within 100 yards of a campus police station. The woman said she reported the rape now because of news coverage of the Jan. 20 abduction of Brianna Denison from a campus-area home. Police said the October case has not been connected to the others.
“Some of the characteristics are similar, however, I would not go as far as to say they are an exact match,” Cmdr. Ron Holladay said.
Washoe County Crime Laboratory scientists established a DNA link for the Denison case and a December rape to the Nov. 13 attempted sexual assault of a woman walking in the 400 block of College Drive, he said."

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by sunstar

Thanks so very much :) this information is helpful! I've never been there so I wasn't sure of the terrain, although I knew mountains were nearby. The daytime temps. in February aren't that low at all. [/*]

Here are some photos. Reno is in a beautiful valley surrounded by mountains.

http://www.city-data.com/picfilesv/picv635.php

http://www.city-data.com/picfilesv/picv1462.php

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by Adalena935


Here are some photos. Reno is in a beautiful valley surrounded by mountains.

http://www.city-data.com/picfilesv/picv635.php

http://www.city-data.com/picfilesv/picv1462.php [/*]

Here's another view of Reno...
http://www.cowboyshowcase.com/images/articles/Reno/Reno.h22.jpg

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by Anakerie


Here's another view of Reno...
http://www.cowboyshowcase.com/images/articles/Reno/Reno.h22.jpg [/*]

Thank you. That's so beautiful.

[Adalena935]

This is something I don't believe I've heard of before. Is it true that he brought his victim home & then came back later and broke into her home, but she had left the area?

This guy is so creepy. The stuff nightmares are made of. But I'll bet he's living the most seemingly ordinary life. Reminds me of a show Court TV repeated fairly often about a case wherein a young man - rapist - used his Father's truck to rape women. The family was wealthy and prominent in the area. No one suspected. He was married and I believe his young wife was pregnant with their first child.

It's like they live two lives.

http://selflaugh.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/new-brianna-denison-four-incidents-near-unr-all-related/

Reno police now believe four incidents targeting young women near UNR are connected.

On November 13, a man tried to kidnap a woman walking near the school early in the morning. 33 days later, on December 16, he kidnapped and raped another student before taking her back to her home. 34 days later, on January 19, the same man is believed to have broken into the home of his victim, but she had left the area. The very next day, police say the same man broke into the home where 19-year-old Brianna Denison was sleeping and kidnapped her.

[Leanne Weich]

I wonder if with the woman who he rendered unconscious, he thought he killed her and she suddenly regained consciousness, he panicked and returned her. He learned from that experience that it takes a lot longer than the average person assumes, to strangle someone. Just throwing this out there, not even sure I believe it.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich
I wonder if with the woman who he rendered unconscious, he thought he killed her and she suddenly regained consciousness, he panicked and returned her. He learned from that experience that it takes a lot longer than the average person assumes, to strangle someone. Just throwing this out there, not even sure I believe it. [/*]

Leanne,

The woman he rendered unconscious is the Dec. victim. She is the one who gave information about the truck, his lower face/beard, and groin area. He sexually assaulted her after she regained consciousness then drove her back home. What may have saved her live was the fact that she did not see his face. The fact that he went back to her apartment the night of the 19th is very troubling, it suggest he wanted to rape her again, or silence her.

Everyone should remember that the sketch is from the Oct. attack. This person may, or may not, be the same person as the Nov./Dec./Jan. attacks.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Maelstrom - I wonder if his return to the victim's apartment was to silence her also. Thankfully she was not there.

[Ms.Marple]

Hi everyone,
As a mom of 2 college age boys, let me offer my condolences to the family of Brianna Denison. As I read and hear about this case. I had some thoughts about these cases.

1. Why would anyone be driving around a neighborhood in that hours of the early am, unless he was coming/going to work.
2. Maybe he is/was a campus security officer, who knows the areas that the young people travel. Maybe he was fired/
3. Maybe the vehicle he is driving belongs to the person with the baby., this person may be unaware that he has the vehicle.
4. It appears that he is very daring to come into a neighborhood where he is unknown/ leads me to believe he either lived /worked/or circled the areas as part of a job.
5. Is it possible the " baby shoe' could have been dropped from driving a woman with a baby to a destination- baby shoes do fall off baby's tiny feet, the show looked small. on the tv screen.
6. It seems that the description on Nancy grace - was descriptive, and leads to to wonder, what kind of person, would, shave an area, appear to be so neat. Almost compulsive, to either avoid leaving body hairs, but, DNA was left at the scene? So maybe he works in a filed or hobbies at a field of work that requires this person wear a suit/body suit - maybe like a circus actor/trapeeze, show wrestler. It is Los Vegas and many people moonlight at entertainment types jobs, although they maintain a full type career.
7. Could the suspect work in the casinos- and have their been any connections to the other vivtims to the casino that Brianna de. was in>?


Well just asking some questions. Sometime the media has so much data - you lose the actual facts. That is why I am asking the questions, and maybe someone on the boards maybe able to add something that may help.

Thanks
Ms. Marple

[febreze]

wonder about the sketch, what if it really doesn't look like him, after all the girl only saw the lower part of his face, people may be disregarding the ID of the rapist because he does not look like the sketch,

[ruby]

Originally posted by febreze
wonder about the sketch, what if it really doesn't look like him, after all the girl only saw the lower part of his face, people may be disregarding the ID of the rapist because he does not look like the sketch, [/*]

Yep that's a major possibility that I was thinking of too. It would make sense, since he hasn't been I'D'd yet in my opinion!

Watched Nancy Grace last night, and it was sad. Still no real answers about anything though, except for what we know.

It really hit me when Nancy said that this guy targets, innocent people minding their own business. I know that's how it is most of the time, but it just made me think of Bri, feeling comfortable, probably feeling good after having a great night out with friends, all to have her privacy (what little of it there was) invaded and taken advantage of. If only that door were locked, and there were drapes on that window/door, this probably wouldn't have happened!

[bred]

febreze...I think the sketch was done from the view that the Oct. victim saw. She is the only one who got a good look. Nov. victim saw nothing. Dec. victim saw square chin and hair.

With no DNA from perp in Oct. assault LE is unable to ABSOLUTELY connect all 4 crimes to the same guy.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by febreze
wonder about the sketch, what if it really doesn't look like him, after all the girl only saw the lower part of his face, people may be disregarding the ID of the rapist because he does not look like the sketch, [/*]

The sketch is of a rapist, we just do not know if it is the same rapist as the 3 attacks that have been linked through DNA.

The Oct. rape victim did not come forward until after Brianna was abducted. That’s not strange, while one in four college coeds will be the victims of sexual assault during their 4 yeas in school only 15 to 20 percent report the assault.

Most(75 to 80 %) are acquaintance rapes, but as this series of rapes show, stranger rapes do happen .

[Athene]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Leanne,

The woman he rendered unconscious is the Dec. victim. She is the one who gave information about the truck, his lower face/beard, and groin area. He sexually assaulted her after she regained consciousness then drove her back home. What may have saved her live was the fact that she did not see his face. The fact that he went back to her apartment the night of the 19th is very troubling, it suggest he wanted to rape her again, or silence her.

Everyone should remember that the sketch is from the Oct. attack. This person may, or may not, be the same person as the Nov./Dec./Jan. attacks. [/*]

I don't think he intended to kill her, somethingt went wrong w/Brianna, she either fought more than the others or saw his face and that is why he killed her.

His previous attacks he used a weapon and was not unduly violent.

imo

[bred]

febreze...sorry for spelling it out...you've got it ...I have to read so fast and I mixed up which girl you meant. Work is sure not the place for me to try posting!

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Athene


I don't think he intended to kill her, somethingt went wrong w/Brianna, she either fought more than the others or saw his face and that is why he killed her.

His previous attacks he used a weapon and was not unduly violent.

imo [/*]

Athene,

Only in the Oct. attack was a weapon used.

In the Nov./Dec. attacks the person used physical assault to try to subdue his victims. He was not successful in November, he was in December.

I agree with you, I think killing Brianna was a accident, because she fought back or saw his face, but I can't be sure.

If and when we know more about the condition of her remains we will know more about the nature of the crime. We know that Bri was strangled but we do not know what other injuries she may have received

[Anakerie]

One of the websites that I check in on occasionally is a blog that is more or less dedicated to California Fire Departments and firemen in general. I hadn't looked at the page in a week or so until I checked in there this morning. They have a story about Bri there.... It's worth the reading... And listening, especially the song that her brother wrote and recorded down near the bottom of the page.

California Fire News
http://calfire.blogspot.com/2008/02/brianna-denison-communities-tragic-love.html

[Anakerie]

Reno police following new leads from community in Denison murder case

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7892883&nav=8faO

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Adalena935


Here are some photos. Reno is in a beautiful valley surrounded by mountains.

http://www.city-data.com/picfilesv/picv635.php

http://www.city-data.com/picfilesv/picv1462.php [/*]

It is beautiful there. I'm jumping in out of "lurkdom" here, I've been following this case since the day she went missing and I've been reading here since then, just haven't posted....I've been enjoying reading all of your posts and your thoughts. A thought that's been "nagging" at me - is it possible they found evidence in the field because that is where he raped and killed her? Perhaps that is where he committed the crime, he never took her anywhere else? They said her body was there at least a week, but perhaps it was there the entire time and the cold delayed decomposition?

[ruby]

Originally posted by Anakerie
Reno police following new leads from community in Denison murder case

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7892883&nav=8faO [/*]

:beer: i am confident with this idiot for lack of a better word will be caught.

[ruby]

Originally posted by Rosieo


It is beautiful there. I'm jumping in out of "lurkdom" here, I've been following this case since the day she went missing and I've been reading here since then, just haven't posted....I've been enjoying reading all of your posts and your thoughts. A thought that's been "nagging" at me - is it possible they found evidence in the field because that is where he raped and killed her? Perhaps that is where he committed the crime, he never took her anywhere else? They said her body was there at least a week, but perhaps it was there the entire time and the cold delayed decomposition? [/*]

Hi Rosieo! Everyone always comes out of lurk-land sometime hehe. Welcome to the boards and this thread! We'd all love to hear your imput on this case and others. :beer:

ETA: Your theory is a good one, and a definite possibilty. Time will tell I suppose eh?

[Anakerie]

Hundreds of Brianna tips pour in

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080218/NEWS18/80218048&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

[ruby]

Anyone seen OMSK99 or Rick777 ? I haven't seen them since before we found out that Bri was found. Hope you 2 are doing well, we need your brains here!;)

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by Rosieo


It is beautiful there. I'm jumping in out of "lurkdom" here, I've been following this case since the day she went missing and I've been reading here since then, just haven't posted....I've been enjoying reading all of your posts and your thoughts. A thought that's been "nagging" at me - is it possible they found evidence in the field because that is where he raped and killed her? Perhaps that is where he committed the crime, he never took her anywhere else? They said her body was there at least a week, but perhaps it was there the entire time and the cold delayed decomposition? [/*]

Hi Rosieo! Now that you're out of "lurkdom", please post more!

About the thought that has been nagging at you. I don't think he committed the rape and murder in that field. The night Bri went missing, it was very cold in Reno. There was a lot of snow on the ground so I doubt if the perp would "discomfort" himself to that extent. That field was his chosen "dumping ground", IMO. I'm thinking that the perp is familiar with that area, and knew that there wasn't much traffic on those roads late at night.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by ruby


Hi Rosieo! Everyone always comes out of lurk-land sometime hehe. Welcome to the boards and this thread! We'd all love to hear your imput on this case and others. :beer:

ETA: Your theory is a good one, and a definite possibilty. Time will tell I suppose eh? [/*]

Thanks, Ruby! I've been reading daily, just took a little nerve to post ;) This case is so very sad. I sat here last night and just cried my eyes out for that poor girl, peacefully sleeping and then the nightmare :( I also saw something SICK on youtube last night and I called it in - it can't hurt for them to take a look at this idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwW9YNZLlwI

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by ruby
Anyone seen OMSK99 or Rick777 ? I haven't seen them since before we found out that Bri was found. Hope you 2 are doing well, we need your brains here!;) [/*]

Yeah really, I haven't seen them either!

I want this guy found soooo bad, before he strikes again. Hopefully all the media attention this has raised will hold him off for awhile. I was really heartbroken when I heard Brianna's body was found. I had been holding out hope that she was still alive. :(

Does anyone know if any billboards have been put up? Not sure if that was discussed yet, but around where I live, we have a bunch of billboards up regarding the Tinley Park Lane Bryant killer and that seems to be generating a lot of tips. TIA.

[wandering]

We are only half-way through this scenario. This perp needs to be apprehended, before he claims another victim. There should be a state-wid or even national man-hunt going on.

I'm recalling Ted Bundy, who went on for quite some time, and didn't limit himself to one area. :chicken:

The guy has a truck, fgs. He can go anywhere.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Anakerie


Hi Rosieo! Now that you're out of "lurkdom", please post more!

About the thought that has been nagging at you. I don't think he committed the rape and murder in that field. The night Bri went missing, it was very cold in Reno. There was a lot of snow on the ground so I doubt if the perp would "discomfort" himself to that extent. That field was his chosen "dumping ground", IMO. I'm thinking that the perp is familiar with that area, and knew that there wasn't much traffic on those roads late at night. [/*]

Hi - thanks for the welcome!! Maybe he raped her there in the truck and then took her into the field? I'm trying to comfort myself thinking that he did this right away and not that he held her for any length of time :( My husband works in an area that looks just like that - factories, and a field, and I agree, he would have had to know that area, maybe even someone who works right there.

[ruby]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Thanks, Ruby! I've been reading daily, just took a little nerve to post ;) This case is so very sad. I sat here last night and just cried my eyes out for that poor girl, peacefully sleeping and then the nightmare :( I also saw something SICK on youtube last night and I called it in - it can't hurt for them to take a look at this idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwW9YNZLlwI [/*]

Im at work so I can't watch ne thing, but will check it out when I am at home!

Yah, I know it shouldn't matter, but seeing her beautiful smile always makes my heart wrench a little more for her, same with Meredith Emerson.

[ruby]

Originally posted by wandering
We are only half-way through this scenario. This perp needs to be apprehended, before he claims another victim. There should be a state-wid or even national man-hunt going on.

I'm recalling Ted Bundy, who went on for quite some time, and didn't limit himself to one area. :chicken:

The guy has a truck, fgs. He can go anywhere. [/*]

I agree with you. We have a lot of information on this case, but still no POI/Suspect. There is a long road ahead, finding him and then prosecuting him. DP is a possibility they were saying on Nancy Grace last night, so I think he'll be keeping a low profiile. Although, isn't it 'hard' for serial rapists to stop? I hope they catch him *4 harming another innocent beauty.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by ruby


Im at work so I can't watch ne thing, but will check it out when I am at home!

Yah, I know it shouldn't matter, but seeing her beautiful smile always makes my heart wrench a little more for her, same with Meredith Emerson. [/*]

They had some beautiful tribute videos on youtube.....in all of her photos, she just looks so happy, so young and carefree, it's heartbreaking. They had a video on there also that shows the living room and the couch, door, etc. The couch was just feet inside that door - he could have very easily seen her just looking in the door - also a lot of (uncovered) windows on the front of the house and side of the house. He could have been watching when they came home and watched the entire time until they turned the lights out and went to bed, so he knew when to make his move. I'm confident they're going to find him.

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by ruby


Im at work so I can't watch ne thing, but will check it out when I am at home!

Yah, I know it shouldn't matter, but seeing her beautiful smile always makes my heart wrench a little more for her, same with Meredith Emerson. [/*]

Go listen to the song that Bri's brother recorded in that link I put in above... Make sure you have tissues handy when you do, though. I had tears in my eyes after listening to it.

[ruby]

Originally posted by Rosieo


They had some beautiful tribute videos on youtube.....in all of her photos, she just looks so happy, so young and carefree, it's heartbreaking. They had a video on there also that shows the living room and the couch, door, etc. The couch was just feet inside that door - he could have very easily seen her just looking in the door - also a lot of (uncovered) windows on the front of the house and side of the house. He could have been watching when they came home and watched the entire time until they turned the lights out and went to bed, so he knew when to make his move. I'm confident they're going to find him. [/*]

I know...on AMW, they showed the video of the house and I couldn't believe she felt comfortable being that exposed to the world. I wouldn't have slept there, I would have pinned a sheet on the door or something....

[ruby]

Originally posted by Anakerie


Go listen to the song that Bri's brother recorded in that link I put in above... Make sure you have tissues handy when you do, though. I had tears in my eyes after listening to it. [/*]

Will do when I get home...Don't want to be crying at work lol

[wandering]

Originally posted by ruby


I agree with you. We have a lot of information on this case, but still no POI/Suspect. There is a long road ahead, finding him and then prosecuting him. DP is a possibility they were saying on Nancy Grace last night, so I think he'll be keeping a low profiile. Although, isn't it 'hard' for serial rapists to stop? I hope they catch him *4 harming another innocent beauty. [/*]Yes, Bundy couldn't stop, and he was even disgusted with himself at first.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Rosieo


They had some beautiful tribute videos on youtube.....in all of her photos, she just looks so happy, so young and carefree, it's heartbreaking. They had a video on there also that shows the living room and the couch, door, etc. The couch was just feet inside that door - he could have very easily seen her just looking in the door - also a lot of (uncovered) windows on the front of the house and side of the house. He could have been watching when they came home and watched the entire time until they turned the lights out and went to bed, so he knew when to make his move. I'm confident they're going to find him. [/*]I hope you're right, Rosieo.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by wandering
I hope you're right, Rosieo. [/*]

I hope so, too - there's a lot of information about him out there, and his DNA......he's escalating and, it seems, confident - he's got to slip sometime! There aren't words for what they should do to him. I keep thinking about the Nov. 13, Dec. 16, Jan 19 and 20 and it makes me very nervous about Feb. 22nd or 23rd. Those dates, 3 days apart, may mean nothing, I hope, it just seems strange, as if there's some symbolism there.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I hope so, too - there's a lot of information about him out there, and his DNA......he's escalating and, it seems, confident - he's got to slip sometime! There aren't words for what they should do to him. I keep thinking about the Nov. 13, Dec. 16, Jan 19 and 20 and it makes me very nervous about Feb. 22nd or 23rd. Those dates, 3 days apart, may mean nothing, I hope, it just seems strange, as if there's some symbolism there. [/*]Or, how often he requires sex, which at this point, is dangerous.

[ruby]

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=7890254

Remembering Brianna blog on this site too.

Eta: nothing on the blog, but good news article.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Thanks, Ruby! I've been reading daily, just took a little nerve to post ;) This case is so very sad. I sat here last night and just cried my eyes out for that poor girl, peacefully sleeping and then the nightmare :( I also saw something SICK on youtube last night and I called it in - it can't hurt for them to take a look at this idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwW9YNZLlwI [/*]

Hi Rosieo,

I saw that video on Monday also. I have Brianna on Google news and video alert. I can not figure out if that guy is sick or just a self-centered person who will use anything for self-promotion.

In the UK someone keeps using the name Brianna Denison as a fictional charter in spoofs. Again I thick this is some twisted attempt at self-promotion as the stories have nothing to do with Brianna but this person keeps using her name over and over.

[BobbiKinkaid]

Hi, this is my first post on these message boards. I live in Reno and have been following this case since the December attack. I wondered then if it was going to be an isolated incident or if there was going to be more attacks or even if there had been unreported attacks. When Brianna Disappeared I was sure that it was linked to the December attack. The community really rallied behind this girl and her family. In my mind and even in my heart I knew she was not going to be found alive but knowing how much hope her family and the many volunteers had I was invested in a better outcome then we eventually had. It is so heartbreaking.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Hi Rosieo,

I saw that video on Monday also. I have Brianna on Google news and video alert. I can not figure out if that guy is sick or just a self-centered person who will use anything for self-promotion.

In the UK someone keeps using the name Brianna Denison as a fictional charter in spoofs. Again I thick this is some twisted attempt at self-promotion as the stories have nothing to do with Brianna but this person keeps using her name over and over. [/*]

Hi Maelstrom - I blew that video up full screen to try to see him better when he had the large sketch of the suspect there - imagining things, though, I'm sure - no-one can possibly be that stupid. There are just some really sick people out there.

I was thinking today also about the girlfriend that got the ride getting home first. It wouldn't seem that he was watching the house, because she was alone there for a couple of hours, I think? He would have just grabbed her. I'm wondering if he starts his usual cruising in the wee hours and just by a horrible twist of fate, happened to be cruising that area when they were arriving home and just watched until they went to bed. It just all seems so coincentral, there's something weird that I can't put my finger on.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by BobbiKinkaid
Hi, this is my first post on these message boards. I live in Reno and have been following this case since the December attack. I wondered then if it was going to be an isolated incident or if there was going to be more attacks or even if there had been unreported attacks. When Brianna Disappeared I was sure that it was linked to the December attack. The community really rallied behind this girl and her family. In my mind and even in my heart I knew she was not going to be found alive but knowing how much hope her family and the many volunteers had I was invested in a better outcome then we eventually had. It is so heartbreaking. [/*]

Hi BobbiK,

Today was my first post here also. Nice people here! I was hoping so much also that he'd return her alive, since he did take the other girl back home - but when he tried (or assuming it was him) to break into the other girl's house on the 19th, maybe it was to kill her also, after he got all hyped up and scared about getting caught :(

[StillHoping]

Link (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20080219&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=80219018&Ref=AR&Show=0)

LE is now searching for the owner of a pair of black "pink panther" thong panties found with Brianna's body. The panties were not Bri's and contained Male DNA that matches the perp's and the DNA of an unknown woman.



THIS GUY IS PLAYING WITH LE AND THE PUBLIC.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by BobbiKinkaid
Hi, this is my first post on these message boards. I live in Reno and have been following this case since the December attack. I wondered then if it was going to be an isolated incident or if there was going to be more attacks or even if there had been unreported attacks. When Brianna Disappeared I was sure that it was linked to the December attack. The community really rallied behind this girl and her family. In my mind and even in my heart I knew she was not going to be found alive but knowing how much hope her family and the many volunteers had I was invested in a better outcome then we eventually had. It is so heartbreaking. [/*]

Welcome to the boards! It's nice to have another person from Reno on here to give some more perspective. My heart goes out to your whole community and I'm praying they catch this guy ASAP. I can't imagine how scary it must be. I'm one town away from Drew Peterson and even THAT creeps me out! JMO

[Anakerie]

Originally posted by StillHoping
Link (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20080219&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=80219018&Ref=AR&Show=0)

LE is now searching for the owner of a pair of black "pink panther" thong panties found with Brianna's body. The panties were not Bri's and contained Male DNA that matches the perp's and the DNA of an unknown woman.



THIS GUY IS PLAYING WITH LE AND THE PUBLIC. [/*]

This story is getting scarier by the day. I hope someone comes forward with information about this panties soon!

[StillHoping]

Link with photo of panties found with Brianna
here (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080219/NEWS01/80219019&theme=)

[ruby]

Originally posted by StillHoping
Link (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20080219&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=80219018&Ref=AR&Show=0)

LE is now searching for the owner of a pair of black "pink panther" thong panties found with Brianna's body. The panties were not Bri's and contained Male DNA that matches the perp's and the DNA of an unknown woman.



THIS GUY IS PLAYING WITH LE AND THE PUBLIC. [/*]


This guy is COCKY!!! :flamemad: :cuss:

[ruby]

Welcome BobbiKinkaid :)

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by Anakerie


This story is getting scarier by the day. I hope someone comes forward with information about this panties soon! [/*]

Hnmm.....Why would he leave them there? Could it have been by accident maybe? Maybe they were stuck in with something and they fell out as he was dropping off Brianna's body?

What if the panties belong to his girlfriend or wife?

JMO

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Rosieo


. I'm wondering if he starts his usual cruising in the wee hours and just by a horrible twist of fate, happened to be cruising that area when they were arriving home and just watched until they went to bed. It just all seems so coincentral, there's something weird that I can't put my finger on. [/*]

I think Brianna was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Here is what I think happened.

He went out the night of the 19th looking to rape. At first he did not meet with success. As the night went on he got angry over the lack of victims, so he decided to revisit the Dec. attack victim and assault her again.

He failed, she was not home.

Now really angry over the lack of a easy victim he started cruising the neighborhoods looking for a victim. When he sees Brianna and KT he waits. Maybe at first he figures he will have to settle for being a voyeur,(something he may well have done in the past) checking out the girls through the door that had no curtain on it.

When the lights go off and everyone seems to be asleep he gets closer, tries the door, finds it unlocked and enters.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by StillHoping
Link with photo of panties found with Brianna
here (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080219/NEWS01/80219019&theme=) [/*]

This *%#tard is sicker than I thought. It does seem he's playing some sort of game, maybe a "hint" that she's not the first girl he's killed. :(

[BobbiKinkaid]

Thanks for the welcomes!

Originally posted by StillHoping

LE is now searching for the owner of a pair of black "pink panther" thong panties found with Brianna's body. The panties were not Bri's and contained Male DNA that matches the perp's and the DNA of an unknown woman.



THIS GUY IS PLAYING WITH LE AND THE PUBLIC. [/*]

I agree that it is strong possibility that he is playing with public. The location that Brianna's body was found in clearly indicated that he wanted her to be found, if not too quickly. IMO, the two most possible reasons for this are 1) he felt bad or 2) he wanted the notoriety. There are just far too many places around to permanently hide a body.

(I hope I got the quote funtion right :) .)

[butterfly28]

Welcome BobbiK and Rosiero!! :beer:

The news of the panties is puzzeling but hopefully this will lead to an arrest or at least some more nfo. It is a terrifying thought he left them on purpose to mess with LE and the public.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by butterfly28
Welcome BobbiK and Rosiero!! :beer:

The news of the panties is puzzeling but hopefully this will lead to an arrest or at least some more nfo. It is a terrifying thought he left them on purpose to mess with LE and the public. [/*]

Oops, sorry for the O/T but welcome to Rosiero too! (I forgot to mention you in my earlier post).

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28
Welcome BobbiK and Rosiero!! :beer:

The news of the panties is puzzeling but hopefully this will lead to an arrest. [/*]

Hi! Thanks for the welcome! It is very puzzling - playing a game of some sort, or anger at whomever owned the panties, like "there, this is for you"? Someone else he killed, maybe? Something about the owner of the panties that excited him, so he used them as an "aide"? One thing is certain - he didn't leave them there accidentally.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Jpanda


Oops, sorry for the O/T but welcome to Rosiero too! (I forgot to mention you in my earlier post). [/*]

Thank you, nice to meet ya!

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


I think Brianna was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Here is what I think happened.

He went out the night of the 19th looking to rape. At first he did not meet with success. As the night went on he got angry over the lack of victims, so he decided to revisit the Dec. attack victim and assault her again.

He failed, she was not home.

Now really angry over the lack of a easy victim he started cruising the neighborhoods looking for a victim. When he sees Brianna and KT he waits. Maybe at first he figures he will have to settle for being a voyeur,(something he may well have done in the past) checking out the girls through the door that had no curtain on it.

When the lights go off and everyone seems to be asleep he gets closer, tries the door, finds it unlocked and enters. [/*]

I agree, this does seem most logical, if there is any logic in this case. On this youtube video I saw last night, they showed the living room, the couch, the door, the house from the outside and there are also glass windows across the front and around the side of the house, uncovered. He could very easily have been watching them until they went to bed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsUQ1qtnDe4

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Jpanda


Hnmm.....Why would he leave them there? Could it have been by accident maybe? Maybe they were stuck in with something and they fell out as he was dropping off Brianna's body?

What if the panties belong to his girlfriend or wife?

JMO [/*]

That would be WONDERFUL! Surely, the GF or wife would come forward - at least, one would hope they would! I hope that is the case. With all of this new info, I feel so confident they are going to catch this guy. If he DID leave them on purpose, it's just a sign that he's confident and brazen and he will get so brazen that he'll make a stupid slip.

[ruby]

i think the panties are significant. I don't think he mistakenly dropped them. He put them there for a certain reason....

1. i'm coming back for you
2. i have another hostage
3. here's another that you don't know about, try to figure it out

who knows...

whatever his motive is, it's so disrespectful. He totally doesn't give a crumb about anyones life. He's toying/laughing at his victims.

[ruby]

He feels like he has control....and this just shows how dangerous he really is. He's trying to prove that he isn't a joke.

[Maelstrom5]

Wow,

The panties really throw a twist to this guy. Everything mentioned above could be correct. As a way to show he has other victims. as a aid for his fantasy or as a way to show distain for Brianna or the unknown woman, maybe both.

What really scares me is unless he had them with him that night, it means Bri was alive for some time after she was taken. Or he kept her body for some time while he retrieved the panties.

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by StillHoping
Link (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20080219&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=80219018&Ref=AR&Show=0)

LE is now searching for the owner of a pair of black "pink panther" thong panties found with Brianna's body. The panties were not Bri's and contained Male DNA that matches the perp's and the DNA of an unknown woman.



THIS GUY IS PLAYING WITH LE AND THE PUBLIC. [/*]

oh my gosh he sure is -

[RainyNiteNTx]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Wow,

The panties really throw a twist to this guy. Everything mentioned above could be correct. As a way to show he has other victims. as a aid for his fantasy or as a way to show distain for Brianna or the unknown woman, maybe both.

What really scares me is unless he had them with him that night, it means Bri was alive for some time after she was taken. Or he kept her body for some time while he retrieved the panties. [/*]

How long would DNA stay on underwear? Would it be gone if they were washed? I just can't imagine him leaving them there. wow - just baffles me.

[SameHere1]

A cat and mouse game he's playing.

Catch me if you can.

This is extremely frightening now.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by RainyNiteNTx


How long would DNA stay on underwear? Would it be gone if they were washed? I just can't imagine him leaving them there. wow - just baffles me. [/*]

It depends what the DNA source was and what was used in washing them. They look like they have been washed at least a few times but they might not have been since last worn

He could have stolen them from a washroom before they were washed(why the women’s DNA is on them) and used them as a tool to help masturbate(why his DNA is on them)

I just found these panties on E-Bay, they go for only $1.99 so I suspect they are worn by a number of women

[StillHoping]

Theories on the panties, from another forum:

1. The panties belong to his girlfriend/wife
2. The panties belong to a previous victim and he is giving a clue, and wants the other victim to be recognized.
3. The panties belong to someone he abducted after Bri and he returned to drop them at the sight (Brazen, but with the media coverage in this case, he would know she had not been found yet).
4. The panties belong to an ex-S/O who he is sending a message to warn her not to get involved or go to police. Perhaps he knows she may suspect him.
5. The panties belong to someone he has been stalking, and intends to make her his next victim. Again, laughing in the face of LE and the public.

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


It depends what the DNA source was and what was used in washing them. They look like they have been washed at least a few times but they might not have been since last worn

He could have stolen them from a washroom before they were washed(why the women’s DNA is on them) and used them as a tool to help masturbate(why his DNA is on them)

I just found these panties on E-Bay, they go for only $1.99 so I suspect they are worn by a number of women [/*]

Maelstrom,
We have been looking for these panties online also at another forum, but could only find them in white. Did you find the black ones?

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by StillHoping


Maelstrom,
We have been looking for these panties online also at another forum, but could only find them in white. Did you find the black ones? [/*]

No I found the white ones also. But they have the combination of the hearts and pick panthers in the same place. The fact they are on E-bay makes me think this style may be a discontinued one.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Rosieo


This *%#tard is sicker than I thought. It does seem he's playing some sort of game, maybe a "hint" that she's not the first girl he's killed. :( [/*]


That was my first thought also . . . or another sexual assault that has not been reported/linked. For some reason, I feel like it was intentional. Easier to believe that than to think there's also another female involved, i.e. threesome.

By the way, welcome!!

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


No I found the white ones also. But they have the combination of the hearts and pick panthers in the same place. The fact they are on E-bay makes me think this style may be a discontinued one. [/*]

We were thinking along those same lines. Maybe last years model. I also found a hit on google which described pink panther panties as a Valentine's gift. Then I remembered that Bri was found the day after Valentine's Day. Could there be any significance in that? Am I reaching too much?
Could he have abducted another girl on Valentine's Day (alot of women wear valentine's themed clothing on V-day) and knowing Bri had not been found yet, returned to leave the panties as a clue, or to laugh in the face of LE?

[Athene]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Wow,

The panties really throw a twist to this guy. Everything mentioned above could be correct. As a way to show he has other victims. as a aid for his fantasy or as a way to show distain for Brianna or the unknown woman, maybe both.

What really scares me is unless he had them with him that night, it means Bri was alive for some time after she was taken. Or he kept her body for some time while he retrieved the panties. [/*]

Yeah, very weird.

He would had to have had them in his car and decided to throw them out along with Brianna or he took her someplace else that he had taken a previous victim or I guess they could be from a former consensual partner that he threw in there.

Yikes, this guy may be much worse than anyone ever thought, hard as that is to believe since he's been believed to be a serial rapist from the get go.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by StillHoping


We were thinking along those same lines. Maybe last years model. I also found a hit on google which described pink panther panties as a Valentine's gift. Then I remembered that Bri was found the day after Valentine's Day. Could there be any significance in that? Am I reaching too much?
Could he have abducted another girl on Valentine's Day (alot of women wear valentine's themed clothing on V-day) and knowing Bri had not been found yet, returned to leave the panties as a clue, or to laugh in the face of LE? [/*]

I really don't know. The one thing I think we can all agree on is he left them there on purpose. What he was trying to tell us is at this moment anyones guess.

We don't know if Brianna's DNA was on them.We also don't know if the panties were found near Brianna, or on her.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


I really don't know. The one thing I think we can all agree on is he left them there on purpose. What he was trying to tell us is at this moment anyones guess.

We don't know if Brianna's DNA was on them.We also don't know if the panties were found near Brianna, or on her. [/*]

I am probably the only one but I'm not necessarily CONVINCED he left them there on purpose. I'm not really a neat person and there have been many times where, if I have laundry in my car for example, a piece of clothing will get stuck on something else in the car and then fall out in the parking lot somewhere......I might be the only one, but I can't block out the possibility that they could be his girlfriend's or wife's......I mean, the one victim did report that he had a random baby shoe laying on the floor in the front, along with some papers. They really could have fallen out accidentally and he didn't notice because he was too busy trying to leave the scene......JMO.

[Athene]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I am probably the only one but I'm not necessarily CONVINCED he left them there on purpose. I'm not really a neat person and there have been many times where, if I have laundry in my car for example, a piece of clothing will get stuck on something else in the car and then fall out in the parking lot somewhere......I might be the only one, but I can't block out the possibility that they could be his girlfriend's or wife's......I mean, the one victim did report that he had a random baby shoe laying on the floor in the front, along with some papers. They really could have fallen out accidentally and he didn't notice because he was too busy trying to leave the scene......JMO. [/*]

It seems a pretty far fetched coincidence that he happened to "lose" women's panties with his DNA on them of all things that might have fallen out of his car and he didn't notice?

What I wonder is if the owner of those panties is even alive.

imo

[Maelstrom5]

Jpanda
you could be right if they were found somewhere between the road and the remains. I guess he could have been in such a hurry he did not see them.

Smehow I think they were near or on the body but you are right we do not know that for a fact.

[butterfly28]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080219/NEWS18/80219025&theme=DENISON

The community is invited to attend a memorial service for Brianna Denison at 2 p.m., Saturday, at the Reno/Sparks Convention Center. The event is titled “Live, Love and Unite in Celebration of Brianna Denison.”

Brianna’s mother, Bridgette, asks that community members forego wearing black, and instead wear blue if possible, which was Brianna’s favorite color.

In lieu of flowers or gifts, people are encouraged to donate to the Bring Bri Back Foundation through Wells Fargo Bank. Monies will be used toward the investigation into her abduction and murder

[wandering]

All these rational minds, trying to make sense of a nut-case. Only the killer in his sick mind knows what those panties mean.

He's a nut-case, pure and simple. He probably started out as a peeping tom, imo. LE should be checking out peeping tom records.

For Brianna and her family-----------> :rose:

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by wandering
All these rational minds, trying to make sense of a nut-case. Only the killer in his sick mind knows what those panties mean.

He's a nut-case, pure and simple. He probably started out as a peeping tom, imo. LE should be checking out peeping tom records.

For Brianna and her family-----------> :rose: [/*]

I totally agree with this, with trying to make sense of it rationally isn't rational - it's a game only he knows in his own sick mind. I keep hoping they're a GF's or his wife's and he dropped them accidentally, but I know that's just wishful thinking :) He left them there as his "mark".

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I totally agree with this, with trying to make sense of it rationally isn't rational - it's a game only he knows in his own sick mind. I keep hoping they're a GF's or his wife's and he dropped them accidentally, but I know that's just wishful thinking :) He left them there as his "mark". [/*]

That :) was supposed to be a :(

[Athene]

I don't agree, there is a certain internal intrinsic 'logic' to most crimes and criminals, especially a serial sex criminal. The logic may not be normal, common sensical, but there is some kind of reasoning and thought process that goes on in the criminal's mind unless he's a total schizophrenic or psychotic.

IMO

[Rosieo]

Maybe the panties are a clue and a laugh in LE's face, based on the original 1963 Pink Panther movie. Most of you probably know the story - the Phantom, the infamous jewel thief whose MO is to always leave a glove at the scene of his heist - and Inspector Closeau, the bumbling detective pursuing the Phantom, who is actually right under his nose. As someone said, only the nutcase knows for sure, but he may have had another victim put those panties on for just that reason - the pink panther theme of the panties may have been no accident. He may be teasing and laughing at LE, telling them that he is actually right under their nose.

[barefoot]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I hope so, too - there's a lot of information about him out there, and his DNA......he's escalating and, it seems, confident - he's got to slip sometime! There aren't words for what they should do to him. I keep thinking about the Nov. 13, Dec. 16, Jan 19 and 20 and it makes me very nervous about Feb. 22nd or 23rd. Those dates, 3 days apart, may mean nothing, I hope, it just seems strange, as if there's some symbolism there. [/*]
I've read a few other comparisons to Ted Bundy on this thread, but this reminded me of another Bundy similarity from Ann Rule's "The Stranger Beside Me" ... this isn't verbatim, I'm going from what I remember, but at some point in the Bundy investigation, before he was caught, a numerologist or astrologer analyzed the dates on which girls had gone missing. She believed that the killer was following some sort of moon cycle. She wrote down a date, predicting that a woman would disappear on such-and-such a date if the killer were to keep following this pattern, and put it in a sealed envelope, telling the police to open it on a certain date. Her prediction was correct; in fact, the day she predicted might have been the day that Bundy abducted two women in the same day from Lake Sammamish. I don't put a lot (or any, for the most part) stock in astrology, but I thought that was awfully eerie. If Bundy even unconsciously could have been driven by something like that, it's possible that Brianna's murderer is under the same sort of influence.

[SameHere1]

There is no "accidental" in this case.

I wonder if he is reading this board?

He's definitely loving the attention he is getting - that is evident. Meaning: he left the panties as a clue.

Be safe and aware - everyone. I just hate this - hate it. We have no way of stopping these crimes - but we can hopefully stop being victims?

I am just so sad.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by barefoot

I've read a few other comparisons to Ted Bundy on this thread, but this reminded me of another Bundy similarity from Ann Rule's "The Stranger Beside Me" ... this isn't verbatim, I'm going from what I remember, but at some point in the Bundy investigation, before he was caught, a numerologist or astrologer analyzed the dates on which girls had gone missing. She believed that the killer was following some sort of moon cycle. She wrote down a date, predicting that a woman would disappear on such-and-such a date if the killer were to keep following this pattern, and put it in a sealed envelope, telling the police to open it on a certain date. Her prediction was correct; in fact, the day she predicted might have been the day that Bundy abducted two women in the same day from Lake Sammamish. I don't put a lot (or any, for the most part) stock in astrology, but I thought that was awfully eerie. If Bundy even unconsciously could have been driven by something like that, it's possible that Brianna's murderer is under the same sort of influence. [/*]

I had forgotten all about reading that in that book - entirely possible, IMO. It just seems there is certainly something with the dates. I just have a feeling this guy is no amateur, that this wasn't a spur of the moment, "oh my gosh, now I have to kill her" kind of thing. Of course, I could be totally off base, as I often am :) but when they catch this guy, I have a feeling he'll tie in to a whole lot more than just the recent rapes and Brianna's murder.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by SameHere1
There is no "accidental" in this case.

I wonder if he is reading this board?

He's definitely loving the attention he is getting - that is evident. Meaning: he left the panties as a clue.

Be safe and aware - everyone. I just hate this - hate it. We have no way of stopping these crimes - but we can hopefully stop being victims?

I am just so sad. [/*]

If we're lucky, he'll be narcissistic enough to want recognition for his crime and get stupid. ITA, samehere, these cases upset me so badly. I live near where Jessie Davis was murdered and that case grabbed my heart also - they all do :(

[Politigal]

Originally posted by StillHoping
Link (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20080219&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=80219018&Ref=AR&Show=0)

LE is now searching for the owner of a pair of black "pink panther" thong panties found with Brianna's body. The panties were not Bri's and contained Male DNA that matches the perp's and the DNA of an unknown woman.



THIS GUY IS PLAYING WITH LE AND THE PUBLIC. [/*]

I have to wonder if he killed the owner of those panties....

[ruby]

Originally posted by Politigal


I have to wonder if he killed the owner of those panties.... [/*]
me too

[Politigal]

Originally posted by ruby

me too [/*]

either that....or he recently divorced, and his wife has left Reno.

[ruby]

Originally posted by Politigal


either that....or he recently divorced, and his wife has left Reno. [/*]

SOMEONE KNOW THIS CREEEEEEEEEEEP. THINK PEOPLE OF RENO...THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cuss:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by StillHoping
Link (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20080219&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=80219018&Ref=AR&Show=0)

LE is now searching for the owner of a pair of black "pink panther" thong panties found with Brianna's body. The panties were not Bri's and contained Male DNA that matches the perp's and the DNA of an unknown woman.



THIS GUY IS PLAYING WITH LE AND THE PUBLIC. [/*]
Good evening :seeya: I read this article a little while ago and saw the photos. They seem to be something that would be for sale for Valentine's Day. I'm just wondering now how many other victims are out there. :eek:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by BobbiKinkaid
Hi, this is my first post on these message boards. I live in Reno and have been following this case since the December attack. I wondered then if it was going to be an isolated incident or if there was going to be more attacks or even if there had been unreported attacks. When Brianna Disappeared I was sure that it was linked to the December attack. The community really rallied behind this girl and her family. In my mind and even in my heart I knew she was not going to be found alive but knowing how much hope her family and the many volunteers had I was invested in a better outcome then we eventually had. It is so heartbreaking. [/*]
Welcome :seeya: I was wondering what kind of businesses are right near the field where Brianna was found. I've seen photos which show one that looks like offices, but was curious about the others thinking he might work around there.

[wandering]

This case coming up now, on NG.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Amaryllis
I havn't read this whole thread yet.but does anybody think that maybe this guy is a police officer...It's just a thought. [/*]Anything is possible. :shrug:

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Amaryllis
I havn't read this whole thread yet.but does anybody think that maybe this guy is a police officer...It's just a thought. [/*]
I haven't seen LE with that type of facial hair. :shrug:

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by BobbiKinkaid
Hi, this is my first post on these message boards. I live in Reno and have been following this case since the December attack. I wondered then if it was going to be an isolated incident or if there was going to be more attacks or even if there had been unreported attacks. When Brianna Disappeared I was sure that it was linked to the December attack. The community really rallied behind this girl and her family. In my mind and even in my heart I knew she was not going to be found alive but knowing how much hope her family and the many volunteers had I was invested in a better outcome then we eventually had. It is so heartbreaking. [/*]

Hi BobbiKinkaid,

Maybe you could answer a couple of questions I have. How well were the Nov./Dec. attacks reported? Did they make front page news or were they small articles in the inner pages of the local papers. Were the students informed of these attacks by the school? Did they use reverse 911 or campus wide e-mails to spread the word about the attacks and urge caution?

[Athene]

Originally posted by Amaryllis
I havn't read this whole thread yet.but does anybody think that maybe this guy is a police officer...It's just a thought. [/*]

No, a cop would never leave his DNA calling card and would most likely choose to rape a prostitute or drug addict not break into someone's house.

IMO

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Athene


No, a cop would never leave his DNA calling card and would most likely choose to rape a prostitute or drug addict not break into someone's house.

IMO [/*]
*If* the perpetrator involved in the October assault at the campus police parking garage is this same guy maybe he's a "wannabe" cop like a security guard? Just trying to figure this out ;)

[Athene]

Originally posted by sunstar

*If* the perpetrator involved in the October assault at the campus police parking garage is this same guy maybe he's a "wannabe" cop like a security guard? Just trying to figure this out ;) [/*]

Maybe. It might give him a chance to know the area where the coeds live and maybe even pick his victims at random.

But, I have in my mind more of a drifter, truck driver type or someone whose got a farm or something, someone who can fade out at will.

He can't have a felony conviction because his DNA isn't in the database.

My guess is he either just moved to Reno OR something happened in his life to trigger him acting out...this is a lot of attacks in a short time even if we discount the Oct. one, that is still 3 in a matter of less than 4 months.

He dumped her body in a field where she would be eventually easy to find when the snow melted, that means he was either in a panic...which could explain the other panties maybe he did lose them...OR he did it on purpose so she would be found.

I originally thought the panties were for sure left on purpose, but I'm now rethinking that and not sure anymore.

IMO

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Athene


Maybe. It might give him a chance to know the area where the coeds live and maybe even pick his victims at random.

But, I have in my mind more of a drifter, truck driver type or someone whose got a farm or something, someone who can fade out at will.

He can't have a felony conviction because his DNA isn't in the database.

My guess is he either just moved to Reno OR something happened in his life to trigger him acting out...this is a lot of attacks in a short time even if we discount the Oct. one, that is still 3 in a matter of less than 4 months.

He dumped her body in a field where she would be eventually easy to find when the snow melted, that means he was either in a panic...which could explain the other panties maybe he did lose them...OR he did it on purpose so she would be found.

I originally thought the panties were for sure left on purpose, but I'm now rethinking that and not sure anymore.

IMO [/*]
When you mention something happening in his life to trigger these assaults, that brings me back to the baby shoe in his truck and all the typewritten papers the Dec. victim saw. Could he have just been dumped by his wife who took their baby and those were papers from an attorney or court regarding divorce? The victims seem to be similar in appearance and maybe the wife looks like them too? As for the panties, either they belonged to the wife and he'd kept them (maybe a present for Valentine's day a previous year?) or there might be another victim out there we don't know about. :(

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Amaryllis
Thanks for the imput.It was just a thought............

Also a lot of undercover cops have facial hair....

But the DNA being left you are probably right........ [/*]
I'm sorry, Amaryllis, I was thinking of uniformed officers not undercover. You're right. ;)

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Amaryllis
I havn't read this whole thread yet.but does anybody think that maybe this guy is a police officer...It's just a thought. [/*]

That thought crossed my mind... or a former police officer.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Amaryllis


Great ideal......A divorce and child custody papers......Now he is mad at the world.....At his ex wife......That baby shoe bothers me a lot though...... [/*]
In this theory of some event triggering the assaults, I was thinking the baby shoe was something that he kept or got left behind when the wife left him. It's the similar appearance of the victims that makes me think he has anger directed at women of that physical description.

[Hedda Lettis]

I've had a horrible thought about this, and I hope that the girls who live in the house that Brianna was taken from have thought about this too.

With their habit of leaving the door unlocked, Brianna's killer may have been inside their house many times before. He probably had been watching it for a while.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Hedda Lettis
I've had a horrible thought about this, and I hope that the girls who live in the house that Brianna was taken from have thought about this too.

With their habit of leaving the door unlocked, Brianna's killer may have been inside their house many times before. He probably had been watching it for a while. [/*]
I had thought of that when Brianna was abducted and maybe even KT & Jessica have wondered the same thing and keep the doors locked now, and closed blinds at night on the windows.

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by sunstar

I had thought of that when Brianna was abducted and maybe even KT & Jessica have wondered the same thing and keep the doors locked now, and closed blinds at night on the windows. [/*]

Are they still living in the house? They're much braver than I am - I'd have been out of there.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Rosieo


Are they still living in the house? They're much braver than I am - I'd have been out of there. [/*]
I haven't heard one way or the other, but wherever they are ~ lock the doors and cover the windows! ;)

[Athene]

Originally posted by sunstar

In this theory of some event triggering the assaults, I was thinking the baby shoe was something that he kept or got left behind when the wife left him. It's the similar appearance of the victims that makes me think he has anger directed at women of that physical description. [/*]

Yep, I agree.

I'd say if the panties were an ex wife or girlfriend then they defiintely fell out by mistake and were not placed there.

[wandering]

Originally posted by sunstar

When you mention something happening in his life to trigger these assaults, that brings me back to the baby shoe in his truck and all the typewritten papers the Dec. victim saw. Could he have just been dumped by his wife who took their baby and those were papers from an attorney or court regarding divorce? The victims seem to be similar in appearance and maybe the wife looks like them too? As for the panties, either they belonged to the wife and he'd kept them (maybe a present for Valentine's day a previous year?) or there might be another victim out there we don't know about. :( [/*]sunstar, I had the same thoughts about the shoe and the papers. I posted that earlier. A TH on NG said this suspect probably has control issues. I say look for a guy who had no control of his life circumstance, that would figure in with a divorce/custody situation, if he lost in court.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by wandering
sunstar, I had the same thoughts about the shoe and the papers. I posted that earlier. A TH on NG said this suspect probably has control issues. I say look for a guy who had no control of his life circumstance, that would figure in with a divorce/custody situation, if he lost in court. [/*]
I completely agree he has control issues, lost the control he had over a woman and has resorted to taking women by force. That's why I think, along with you that a failed marriage/child custody issue might be part of the scenario.

[bred]

Yes, he's very confident. After all, he entered the home not knowing FOR SURE who was in there. He exited WITH BRI and got into a vehicle sight unseen. He killed her with no witnesses. He left her in the field with no witnesses. Off. Gone.

IMO he left the underwear ON purpose to taunt LE. I hope they give us a new detail daily and I hope Reno folks fly with them!

[sunstar]

I wonder if LE is hoping the perp will show up?

"The public is invited to remember Brianna at a candlelight Vigil on Friday, Feb. 22 at 6:30 p.m. It will be held at the Denison memorial site at Sandhill and Double R Blvd. in South Reno. Organizers are asking people to bring their own candles. "

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7896062&nav=menu113_5

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by sunstar

I haven't heard one way or the other, but wherever they are ~ lock the doors and cover the windows! ;) [/*]

I'd be so scared if I were them, not knowing if he'd seen me and was watching me now too - there's NO WAY I'd be staying in that house, that's for sure!

[Rosieo]

An idea I've also had - although I'm SURE LE would have thought of this - having someone undercover - young, petite, long hair, walking around that area in the wee hours, maybe crying, got in a fight with her boyfriend is walking home alone.......or a house in that area, all the lights off except the porch light, sitting on the porch, crying, boyfriend got mad and left - anything would be worth a try!

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae


I myself asked that same question several pages back.

I wonder how many nights this guy tried the locked doors on the girls' rooms in that house....?
:chicken:

Hopefully the panties being left near Brianna was an accident and this will lead some lady to finally "see" who they are/were living with. [/*]

I'm praying that's the case....praying they get him before he hurts or kills someone again, because he surely will do it again. From the detailed description, SOMEONE out there has to be thinking "hey, my boyfriend, co-worker, friend's boyfriend has a shirt and pants like that and the description of his truck fits." Someone has to know something and it's very frustrating. That somone may be thinking it's just their imagination "hahaha, how silly to think it would be him". I'm hoping the panties were an accident and that it's the break. It's so infuriating that he's dropping his DNA all over the place and just can't nail him - the bright side is that when they do nail him - he's REALLY nailed.

And where the heck is that teddy bear? That being an industrial area, I wonder if some of those buildings have an incinerator he may have dropped it in, as well as her clothes if they weren't at the scene.

[butterfly28]

he family of Brianna Denison is releasing an obituary about her tonight.

It reads as follows:

Brianna Zunino Denison, known for her million-dollar-smile and sparkling blue eyes, her tremendous outgoing nature and compassion, died in Reno, Nevada after being abducted on January 20, 2008. She was 19 years old.

Brianna was born on March 29, 1988. She was lovingly known by her mother as Breezy, because she reminded her of a “breath of fresh air on a cool summer day.”

She spent her childhood in Reno, Nevada, and in her mother’s native town of Mendocino, California. Brianna’s passion for traveling and world cultures took her to Hawaii, New York, Mexico, Jamaica, Japan, Italy, Egypt, Hungary, Austria, and France. She studied abroad in Rome, Italy for a year with her family. Her ability to connect with people from all walks of life became part of her radiant personality.

When Jeff and Bridgette Denison’s children, Brianna and Brighton, were born, they considered them to be the greatest gifts of their lives.

Brianna was raised in the tradition of honoring children as our most precious possessions. Brianna’s mother, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins and close friends instilled in her the merits of being a loving, spiritual, respectful and trusting human being.

She loved children and animals; especially her dog, Ozzy.

Brianna graduated from Reno High School in 2006. She was a sophomore at Santa Barbara City College, majoring in child psychology.

She is survived by her mother, Bridgette Zunino-Denison and younger brother Brighton Denison of Reno, her maternal grandparents Bob and Barbara Zunino of Mendocino, her maternal uncle, John Zunino and her cousin Ashley Zunino.

She also leaves behind her paternal grandmother, Carol (Fifi) Pierce, her aunts, Lauren Denison and Rena Denison Terry, uncles Mark Denison and Steve Terry, and 13 loving cousins, along with many extended family members throughout Nevada and California.

A Celebration of Life for Brianna is planned for Saturday, February 23, 2008 at the Reno/Sparks Convention Center at 7:00 PM. In lieu of flowers, the family asks that donations be made to her foundation, “Bring Bri Back” to help bring her killer to justice.

More details about the Celebration and how to make a donation can be found on Brianna’s website at www.BriannaDenison.com<http://www.briannadenison.com/

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by butterfly28
he family of Brianna Denison is releasing an obituary about her tonight.

It reads as follows:

Brianna Zunino Denison, known for her million-dollar-smile and sparkling blue eyes, her tremendous outgoing nature and compassion, died in Reno, Nevada after being abducted on January 20, 2008. She was 19 years old.

Brianna was born on March 29, 1988. She was lovingly known by her mother as Breezy, because she reminded her of a “breath of fresh air on a cool summer day.”

She spent her childhood in Reno, Nevada, and in her mother’s native town of Mendocino, California. Brianna’s passion for traveling and world cultures took her to Hawaii, New York, Mexico, Jamaica, Japan, Italy, Egypt, Hungary, Austria, and France. She studied abroad in Rome, Italy for a year with her family. Her ability to connect with people from all walks of life became part of her radiant personality.

When Jeff and Bridgette Denison’s children, Brianna and Brighton, were born, they considered them to be the greatest gifts of their lives.

Brianna was raised in the tradition of honoring children as our most precious possessions. Brianna’s mother, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins and close friends instilled in her the merits of being a loving, spiritual, respectful and trusting human being.

She loved children and animals; especially her dog, Ozzy.

Brianna graduated from Reno High School in 2006. She was a sophomore at Santa Barbara City College, majoring in child psychology.

She is survived by her mother, Bridgette Zunino-Denison and younger brother Brighton Denison of Reno, her maternal grandparents Bob and Barbara Zunino of Mendocino, her maternal uncle, John Zunino and her cousin Ashley Zunino.

She also leaves behind her paternal grandmother, Carol (Fifi) Pierce, her aunts, Lauren Denison and Rena Denison Terry, uncles Mark Denison and Steve Terry, and 13 loving cousins, along with many extended family members throughout Nevada and California.

A Celebration of Life for Brianna is planned for Saturday, February 23, 2008 at the Reno/Sparks Convention Center at 7:00 PM. In lieu of flowers, the family asks that donations be made to her foundation, “Bring Bri Back” to help bring her killer to justice.

More details about the Celebration and how to make a donation can be found on Brianna’s website at www.BriannaDenison.com<http://www.briannadenison.com/ [/*]

Crying again. What a very special girl she was, how blessed her family and friends were to have had her in their lives. My prayers are with all of Brianna's family and friends. RIP, sweet Brianna. :rose:

[wandering]

Originally posted by Politigal


I have to wonder if he killed the owner of those panties.... [/*]I noticed that one of the sites for pink panther panties were selling panties that had been worn. Maybe those panties were from that site....

[Lincoln]

:rose:

[ruby]

She really did have a million dollar smile :(

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Rosieo


I'm praying that's the case....praying they get him before he hurts or kills someone again, because he surely will do it again. From the detailed description, SOMEONE out there has to be thinking "hey, my boyfriend, co-worker, friend's boyfriend has a shirt and pants like that and the description of his truck fits." Someone has to know something and it's very frustrating. That somone may be thinking it's just their imagination "hahaha, how silly to think it would be him". I'm hoping the panties were an accident and that it's the break. It's so infuriating that he's dropping his DNA all over the place and just can't nail him - the bright side is that when they do nail him - he's REALLY nailed.

And where the heck is that teddy bear? That being an industrial area, I wonder if some of those buildings have an incinerator he may have dropped it in, as well as her clothes if they weren't at the scene. [/*]

With him leaving another woman's panties with Bri's body, it makes me think it's a souvenier of a victim we don't even know about. I hate to say that. But then it makes me wonder if he plans to leave the bear at the next scene, as his souvenier and message to cops. I hate to even think that there will be a "next scene". If the details of this man are correct I just cannot figure out why he can't be found.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Nellie


With him leaving another woman's panties with Bri's body, it makes me think it's a souvenier of a victim we don't even know about. I hate to say that. But then it makes me wonder if he plans to leave the bear at the next scene, as his souvenier and message to cops. I hate to even think that there will be a "next scene". If the details of this man are correct I just cannot figure out why he can't be found. [/*]It took four years to catch Ted Bundy. I hope the police have lots of tips, and that they will direct them to this monster.

[Breazy]

Thinking about Brianna this morning and the terrible loss and pain her family must be feeling.

You know, I follow quite a few cases here but Brianna's case really became close to my heart right from the start. I think mostly because I imagine my own daughter growing up to look very much like Brianna. She is very small for her age with the same long, dark hair. I come here this morning and read the obituary {{{{gasp}}}} and can't believe it. We also call my daughter Breezy, hence the origin of my nic here. It all gives me a really strange feeling.

For those posting that they hope the girls who lived in the house Brianna disappeared from are now locking the door . . . I don't know about the other female roommate who was out of town when this happened but I do remember that KT was packing and moving within just a few days. Jessica, the other female there that night, didn't actually live there.


:rose:

[ruby]

Her friends that were there that night must feel sooo freaked. Imagine your friend being abducted from just outside your bedroom. NUTS! You'd remember that forever....:( I feel for them. I feel so safe in my house, but with my door locked and deadbolted of course

[wandering]

Brianna was not just a beautiful young girl, she was full of promise for the future. :rose:

[Rosieo]

Originally posted by Nellie


With him leaving another woman's panties with Bri's body, it makes me think it's a souvenier of a victim we don't even know about. I hate to say that. But then it makes me wonder if he plans to leave the bear at the next scene, as his souvenier and message to cops. I hate to even think that there will be a "next scene". If the details of this man are correct I just cannot figure out why he can't be found. [/*]

I didn't even think of that with the bear, that could be the case :( I agree - it seems like there is so much information on him, the description, the truck, his clothing, I can't figure out why no-one would have recognized him by that info and called in by now. He sure isn't worried about dropping his DNA all over the place, which makes me think that even when they get the backlog processed, he knows he's not in the system. I pray there won't be a next scene also, but it seems he's escalating and losing control.

[Lil'One2]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Hi BobbiKinkaid,

Maybe you could answer a couple of questions I have. How well were the Nov./Dec. attacks reported? Did they make front page news or were they small articles in the inner pages of the local papers. Were the students informed of these attacks by the school? Did they use reverse 911 or campus wide e-mails to spread the word about the attacks and urge caution? [/*]

I'am new so bare with me. My son just graduated from UNR and I ask him if he heard anything regarding these rapes and he said no, but he did tell me before the rapes started he heard there was a flasher at the school, but was never caught. The Police department and the papers have some type of agreement not to say or write alot of the things that go on in Reno, because we are a tourist town

[ruby]

Originally posted by Lil'One2


I'am new so bare with me. My son just graduated from UNR and I ask him if he heard anything regarding these rapes and he said no, but he did tell me before the rapes started he heard there was a flasher at the school, but was never caught. The Police department and the papers have some type of agreement not to say or write alot of the things that go on in Reno, because we are a tourist town [/*]

Welcome to the boards Lil'One ;)

Interesting! He could have escalated to rape from 'flashing'. I don't get flashing...seems so rediculous.

[wandering]

Originally posted by ruby


Welcome to the boards Lil'One ;)

Interesting! He could have escalated to rape from 'flashing'. I don't get flashing...seems so rediculous. [/*]Flashing, peeping toms. From what I have read, those are the earliest beginnings of rapists, they progress and escalate.

[ruby]

Originally posted by wandering
Flashing, peeping toms. From what I have read, those are the earliest beginnings of rapists, they progress and escalate. [/*]

Yah makes sense, I meant that the act of flashing is so rediculous (i wasn't saying the theory was!) hehe. Hope it didn't come across that way.

[wandering]

Originally posted by ruby


Yah makes sense, I meant that the act of flashing is so rediculous (i wasn't saying the theory was!) hehe. Hope it didn't come across that way. [/*]No, it didn't, and yes, it does seem ridiculous to normal people.

[Rick777]

The thing with the thong is that they look way too good to have been there as long as her body was,(Weather included). That would mean he may have gone back and planted them.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Lil'One2


I'am new so bare with me. My son just graduated from UNR and I ask him if he heard anything regarding these rapes and he said no, but he did tell me before the rapes started he heard there was a flasher at the school, but was never caught. The Police department and the papers have some type of agreement not to say or write alot of the things that go on in Reno, because we are a tourist town [/*]

TY Lil'One2,

That was my take on the Nov./Dec. attacks also. I found a few brief stories in the press about the December attack, but from the number of paragraphs I figured they were buried somewhere on the inner pages.

Brianna was a sitting duck. And so was KT and Jessica as well as every other young women in Reno.

I could never figure out why they did not take more precautions, given the resent attacks in the neighborhood. Yes we know they were partying/drinking, but they felt they were home and therefore safe.

I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that if the 4 housemates had known about the attacks they would have made damn sure the door was locked and probably have gotten curtains and extra locks to boot.

[ruby]

Originally posted by Rick777
The thing with the thong is that they look way too good to have been there as long as her body was,(Weather included). That would mean he may have gone back and planted them. [/*]
There you are Rick, was wondering where you went to? hehe :beer:

[Rick777]

Originally posted by ruby

There you are Rick, was wondering where you went to? hehe :beer: [/*]

Yo Ruby!:beer:

[duncan]

Originally posted by wandering
Flashing, peeping toms. From what I have read, those are the earliest beginnings of rapists, they progress and escalate. [/*]


I have heard the same, now this man is a killer, I think he has abused animals too.


omo

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Rick777
The thing with the thong is that they look way too good to have been there as long as her body was,(Weather included). That would mean he may have gone back and planted them. [/*]

He may well have Rick.

Serial rapist/killers have a signature, and sometimes with killers they stage the crime scene. Regardless if they were left at the same time as Brianna's body was or he returned to the spot to leave the panties I think he is sending a message. What that message is only time will tell.

[ruby]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


TY Lil'One2,

That was my take on the Nov./Dec. attacks also. I found a few brief stories in the press about the December attack, but from the number of paragraphs I figured they were buried somewhere on the inner pages.

Brianna was a sitting duck. And so was KT and Jessica as well as every other young women in Reno.

I could never figure out why they did not take more precautions, given the resent attacks in the neighborhood. Yes we know they were partying/drinking, but they felt they were home and therefore safe.

I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that if the 4 housemates had known about the attacks they would have made damn sure the door was locked and probably have gotten curtains and extra locks to boot. [/*]

I live in a walk-out basement apt, and we don't have drapes on our door, or kitchen, and i feel so insecure sitting at the computer at home for that reason, i dont know WHO could be watching me! I think this has given me the push to fix that this weekend!

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by Rick777
The thing with the thong is that they look way too good to have been there as long as her body was,(Weather included). That would mean he may have gone back and planted them. [/*]

I suggested this theory myself yesterday. I have a strong feeling that the message was "here's a clue, come find the next one" and I think the panties may belong to someone he plans to abduct, or abducted after dumping (Sorry for the harsh word) Bri.

On another forum, someone found an article where one of the detectives stated that LE is shocked by this case, and that 99.9% of the population don't understand what horrible things this man has done. I think it's safe to say that as grisly a detail as the panties are, for LE to release that, they must have much more info and evidence that they are not speaking about. I think it's possible Bri was "posed" clutching the bear. Or that possibly the bear may be left at a memorial for her. I think those things would be right up this sicko's alley.

I also think this guy is paying close attention to everything said about this case, and is most likely reading forums like this one.

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by Athene


No, a cop would never leave his DNA calling card and would most likely choose to rape a prostitute or drug addict not break into someone's house.

IMO [/*]

I had a stalker who broke into my house and stole my underwear for 12 years. It was a cop.

I agree with you it would be unlikely he'd leave his DNA. On the other hand cops know how to avoid the law because they operate within the law. They're a brotherhood and protect their own. The Illinois case with 1 dead wife & one missing is a prime example of LE doing nothing to their own no matter what.

[ruby]

Originally posted by StillHoping


I suggested this theory myself yesterday. I have a strong feeling that the message was "here's a clue, come find the next one" and I think the panties may belong to someone he plans to abduct, or abducted after dumping (Sorry for the harsh word) Bri.

On another forum, someone found an article where one of the detectives stated that LE is shocked by this case, and that 99.9% of the population don't understand what horrible things this man has done. I think it's safe to say that as grisly a detail as the panties are, for LE to release that, they must have much more info and evidence that they are not speaking about. I think it's possible Bri was "posed" clutching the bear. Or that possibly the bear may be left at a memorial for her. I think those things would be right up this sicko's alley.

I also think this guy is paying close attention to everything said about this case, and is most likely reading forums like this one. [/*]

I have a bad feeling about that bear! I feel like he'll put it somewhere too...like on the doorstep where he took her from, like 'ive been back here' or something crude....LE doesn't have the bear as of 2 nights ago.

[Adalena935]

It's his style to break in and then come back. That raises many possibilities as to where the panties came from. Or what he plans for the owner in the future.


http://selflaugh.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/new-brianna-denison-four-incidents-near-unr-all-related/

Reno police now believe four incidents targeting young women near UNR are connected.

On November 13, a man tried to kidnap a woman walking near the school early in the morning. 33 days later, on December 16, he kidnapped and raped another student before taking her back to her home. 34 days later, on January 19, the same man is believed to have broken into the home of his victim, but she had left the area. The very next day, police say the same man broke into the home where 19-year-old Brianna Denison was sleeping and kidnapped her.

[Rick777]

I just can't believe that nobody knows of a guy with a truck, and baby, or acting odd or suspicious. I would think ANYBODY with black pink panther UW would come forward, or check to make sure they still have them, or know someone who has them.

Those are great clues, but nothing is ringing anybody's bell!

[StillHoping]

Just had a thought...and forgive me if someone has already suggested this, but I strongly feel he is leaving his DNA purposely. Is it possible he's leaving someone else's DNA? If so, he could be a registered offender still.

I figure it's either that, or he KNOWS his DNA is not on file.

[Adalena935]

I think he planted the panties to taunt LE. A catch me if you can taunt. As for when he put them there, who knows? :shrug:

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by Rick777
I just can't believe that nobody knows of a guy with a truck, and baby, or acting odd or suspicious. I would think ANYBODY with black pink panther UW would come forward, or check to make sure they still have them, or know someone who has them.

Those are great clues, but nothing is ringing anybody's bell! [/*]

It sure seems like someone would remember them. I wonder why LE didn't tell the public what brand tag they have on them, if any? And if there was none, why not tell the public that info I wonder?

[Rick777]

I'd really like to know more about the crime scene where Bri's body was found. What are we REALLY dealing with here? Was the bear there? What other items? What made them say it was a "sexually motivated crime" so fast? Was she staged? Were there any camera's that captured anything???

[Rick777]

Originally posted by Adalena935


It sure seems like someone would remember them. I wonder why LE didn't tell the public what brand tag they have on them, if any? And if there was none, why not tell the public that info I wonder? [/*]

Sometimes the print wears off the tag. Thats how it looked to me.

[ruby]

Originally posted by Rick777
I'd really like to know more about the crime scene where Bri's body was found. What are we REALLY dealing with here? Was the bear there? What other items? What made them say it was a "sexually motivated crime" so fast? Was she staged? Were there any camera's that captured anything??? [/*]

from Nancy Grace:

The Bear is still missing.
It is called a sexually motivated crime due to the DNA match to the previous attacks. They wont say whether she was sexually assaulted or not.

That's all i can answer.

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by StillHoping
Just had a thought...and forgive me if someone has already suggested this, but I strongly feel he is leaving his DNA purposely. Is it possible he's leaving someone else's DNA? If so, he could be a registered offender still.

I figure it's either that, or he KNOWS his DNA is not on file. [/*]

His DNA was on those panties. Definitely on purpose.

They know it's the rapist & murderer of Brianna Dennison's DNA. There is no doubt about that. They just don't know at this time who the female DNA on the panties belongs to.

He knows without a doubt his DNA is not on file.

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by sunstar

Good evening :seeya: I read this article a little while ago and saw the photos. They seem to be something that would be for sale for Valentine's Day. I'm just wondering now how many other victims are out there. :eek: [/*]

Sunstar,
I was so happy to see your comment. I posted about this elsewhere. I also saw that the panties seem to be a Valentine's special kind of thing. And then I remembered that Bri was found the day after Valentine's Day. I know this is jumping to conclusions, but I have to explore my train of thought. Could he have abducted another woman (possibly on V-day, many women wear red, pink or hearts on v-day) and then returned to Bri to leave the panties there? It would explain why the DNA evidence was not compromised on the panties. His way of saying "Here's a clue to the next one, figure it out before she dies too"

[duncan]

Originally posted by Adalena935


His DNA was on those panties. Definitely on purpose.

They know it's the rapist & murderer of Brianna Dennison's DNA. There is no doubt about that. They just don't know at this time who the female DNA on the panties belongs to.

He knows without a doubt his DNA is not on file. [/*]



Very cocky, he is taunting LE. omo


I know my undies, every single pair, if mine showed up in the news I would call LE, I hope the owner is alive.

[BBkinkiad]

Hello everyone,

Originally posted by Lil'One2


I'am new so bare with me. My son just graduated from UNR and I ask him if he heard anything regarding these rapes and he said no, but he did tell me before the rapes started he heard there was a flasher at the school, but was never caught. The Police department and the papers have some type of agreement not to say or write alot of the things that go on in Reno, because we are a tourist town [/*]

Actually, the December Rape made the front page of local paper. I remember because I was so shocked to see it on the front page. I have lived in Reno for 20 years and attended UNR and can not remember them ever reporting a campus sexual assault on the front page before. I know that when I was at UNR I always heard about those kinds of things second hand, it used to piss me off to no end!
As for UNR, my husband is a current student and we received several emails relating the events of the December attack and urging students, particularly female to utilize the campus* escort service. In addition, if I remember correctly, the extended the hours for that service.

*For those wondering, the campus escort service provides escorts to cars or dorms after dark hours for students and staff.

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by Rick777


Sometimes the print wears off the tag. Thats how it looked to me. [/*]

Then I'm wondering why LE didn't photograph the tag specifically and show it specifically to the public. worn or otherwise.

See what I'm saying?

Tag - tell the public
No Tag - tell the public
Worn Tag - Tell the public

They can tract duct tape, plastic bags and clothing in crimes. I know because I watch forensic files. lol

[Adalena935]

Originally posted by BBkinkiad
Hello everyone,



Actually, the December Rape made the front page of local paper. I remember because I was so shocked to see it on the front page. I have lived in Reno for 20 years and attended UNR and can not remember them ever reporting a campus sexual assault on the front page before. I know that when I was at UNR I always heard about those kinds of things second hand, it used to piss me off to no end!
As for UNR, my husband is a current student and we received several emails relating the events of the December attack and urging students, particularly female to utilize the campus* escort service. In addition, if I remember correctly, the extended the hours for that service.

*For those wondering, the campus escort service provides escorts to cars or dorms after dark hours for students and staff. [/*]

Thanks for that info. I was wondering. I tried to look up any older articles about the past rapes and couldn't find any.