Brianna Denison, 19, UNR, Reno, 1/20/08[BODY FOUND] [Archive] - Page 4

Maelstrom5

01-29-2008, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by KittyMom
How common is it for the rape to be oral sex? [/*]

KittyMom it all depends on the perp.

Rape is never about sex, it is about control, anger, and sometimes a desire to humiliate. The act itself can change from victim to victim depending on circumstances, and needs.

A few pages ago, before we knew there was a connection, I said I felt these crimes were escalating. Today in news reports the Reno police have said they now believe the same thing.

What may have sufficed for the second attack in Dec. may now not fill the preps needs. Now he may feel a need to totally posses his victim which may be why he abducted Brianna. Or it may be because for the first time someone saw his face clearly

RR I agree with you, everything that the police can get the second victim to identify should be shown on TV and pictures should be printed in the print news. I did not post this before because it is gross, but I think the reason she may know about his chin and beard but not his face is because he may have bent over to whisper instructions or obscenities.

omsk99

01-29-2008, 04:31 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,326405,00.html

Maelstrom5

01-29-2008, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by ruby
One of my cats names is Bree who has a very special place in my heart. I think that's why I am also attached to this case, lol, as lame as it sounds. [/*]

Three of the missing people on my MySpace page are also named Brianna.

Brianna Maitland: Missing 3/19/04.. Montgomery, Vermont.
Brianna Johnson: Missing 11/17/06.. Saint Louis, Missouri.
Brianna McCullough: Missing 12/29/07.. Hurst, Texas.

The funny thing is, I had never heard the first name Brianna before Brianna Maitland.. and now.. Terribly.. there are so many by that name.

www.myspace.com/maelstrom5

sunstar

01-29-2008, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by bred
I'm guessing that if she saw his face, she is gone. Hopefully I am wrong. [/*]
For some reason, the Dec. 16 victim didn't see his face. Maybe there's hope that Brianna didn't either, but I fear she's gone anyway. :(

sunstar

01-29-2008, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by wandering
Why would a perp take or allow Brianna to take a 2ft tall bear? :confused:

That would be hard to conceal. I wonder if it was discarded somewhere. [/*]
Maybe it was used to cover her face or smother her?

omsk99

01-29-2008, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by sunstar

Maybe it was used to cover her face or smother her? [/*]

My guess is that there was his DNA or other evidence on it.

omsk99

01-29-2008, 05:08 PM

~snip

"(CBS/AP) Reno police investigating the disappearance of 19-year-old Brianna Denison say they are looking for a suspect whose DNA has been linked to the crime scene as well as the scene of the kidnapping and assault of a University of Nevada, Reno student in December. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/29/national/main3763448.shtml

omsk99

01-29-2008, 05:09 PM

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/NEWS01/801290351/1321/NEWS

iluvmua

01-29-2008, 05:12 PM

I think the stain they fould on the pillow was Brianna's Blood.

omsk99

01-29-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by iluvmua
I think the stain they fould on the pillow was Brianna's Blood. [/*]

I believe so, yes.

omsk99

01-29-2008, 05:22 PM

http://www.kolotv.com/news/headlines/14601762.html

omsk99

01-29-2008, 07:11 PM

~snip

"Brianna's family is holding out hope that she will be found alive.

"I'd like to ask America to keep their eyes open and do what they would do if this were their own child," said Bridget Denison, Brianna's mother.

"We know someone will see her, and they will get her back to us," said Lauren Denison, Brianna's aunt."

http://www.ksby.com/Global/story.asp?S=7789824

:rose:

omsk99

01-29-2008, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae

Thats a good point about the color and type of the vehicle!

LE should put out what the witness remembers about the color and style of the baby shoe ...

Also the color of the floorboard carpet, or even if there were floor mats.

Did the guy have tattoos on his hands or any part of his arms the victim could see?

If all that info was put "out there' someone somewhere might recognize their husband, brother, son or good old uncle Joe [/*]

All good points, but I wonder if any of these details are known. They published very intimate details about him, so I think they would have released such details as the car, tattoos etc. Even the age is very broad, 28-40 years old, I doubt the 2nd victim saw much, sadly.

wandering

01-29-2008, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae

Thats a good point about the color and type of the vehicle!

LE should put out what the witness remembers about the color and style of the baby shoe ...

Also the color of the floorboard carpet, or even if there were floor mats.

Did the guy have tattoos on his hands or any part of his arms the victim could see?

If all that info was put "out there' someone somewhere might recognize their husband, brother, son or good old uncle Joe [/*]Yeah, if he has a wife and child, the wife should be thinking about the baby shoe and the typing paper in the car. She hasn't come forward? I would think that those two items in the car would ring a bell, with someone.

bred

01-29-2008, 10:38 PM

He could have parked around a corner and walked her the other way and she ran into her home, never trying to catch a color.

Over 48 hrs. and no ID yet. I bet it does take awhile. Not everyone reads like we do, listens to the news, discusses with friends. Some people are quite oblivious to this "stuff."

If my baby was missing a shoe, I would have looked for it.

sunstar

01-29-2008, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by bred
He could have parked around a corner and walked her the other way and she ran into her home, never trying to catch a color.

Over 48 hrs. and no ID yet. I bet it does take awhile. Not everyone reads like we do, listens to the news, discusses with friends. Some people are quite oblivious to this "stuff."

If my baby was missing a shoe, I would have looked for it. [/*]
I think it might be the age group (around 30) the perp is in. If he does have a wife/girlfriend and they have a baby, she might not be paying that much attention to the news. He might not have friends who do either. I know a lot of people that age are busy with other things.

bred

01-29-2008, 10:49 PM

ITA. So the friend of a friend of a friend needs to start talking about Bri and get the ball rolling straight to his door.

If NOT caught, he WILL do this again as it becomes a game of, ""Ya can't catch meeee."

sunstar

01-29-2008, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by bred
ITA. So the friend of a friend of a friend needs to start talking about Bri and get the ball rolling straight to his door.

If NOT caught, he WILL do this again as it becomes a game of, ""Ya can't catch meeee." [/*]
I agree. With this detailed description, once someone who knows him pays attention to the news he'll be identified. He's got to work somewhere and know someone! I'm afraid too that he'll strike again if he isn't caught. It seems to be a pattern of about a month inbetween ~ Nov. 13 ---> Dec. 16 ---> Jan. 19/20.

CanCan

01-29-2008, 11:51 PM

$100,000 reward

175 civilian searchers today--first search---Klaas foundation involved

Bri's blood mixed with mucous in 3 silver-dollar sized circles on her pillow

stranger who gave Jessica ride home voluntarily gave DNA sample......cleared

Bri's ex-BF voluntarily gave DNA.....cleared

Pat Brown, profiler, says........suspect is a LOCAL cuz he's so comfy with the area........he's probably in a relationship

shaved pelvic area (ewwww) to prevent hair from falling into the scene

LE says perp was NOT wearing gloves

CanCan

01-30-2008, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by wandering
Yeah, if he has a wife and child, the wife should be thinking about the baby shoe and the typing paper in the car. She hasn't come forward? I would think that those two items in the car would ring a bell, with someone. [/*]

Wandering.....a TH on NG said that because all the details revealed about the perp are so - well - detailed...that the wife/GF has GOT to be on to this guy.......and HE KNOWS that she knows it's him .....thus, she's in danger.

So, maybe she's scared??? Or waiting for a safe time to sneak off to tell LE??? Or, God forbid, is DOA herself????

butterfly28

01-30-2008, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by RachelRose

The details of this perp are NOT detailed - am I the only one trying and failing to picture him?

I can't picture this guy. Maybe it's me. You have to read too much and think too hard to try to get a mental image, where a sketch artist working with the victim could come up with something we could understand. [/*]

No you are not the only one having a hard time picturing him. :shrug:

A sketch would be most helpful. Hopefully LE is working on that. Is there any reason they would not be able to do one?

butterfly28

01-30-2008, 01:43 AM

Brianna Denison’s family has not authorized a $100,000 reward for information leading to her safe return as previously reported.

The family said the information was reported by the media since Denison disappeared Jan. 20 but had not been authorized.

Secret Witness, though, is offering a $2,500 reward for anonymous tips leading to an arrest or prosecution in the case.

Anyone with information is encouraged to contact the Reno police hotline at 745-3521, detectives at 334-2115 or Secret Witness at 322-4900.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/NEWS18/80129026/0/NEWS18&theme=DENISON

Leanne Weich

01-30-2008, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by RachelRose

The details of this perp are NOT detailed - am I the only one trying and failing to picture him?

A truck of an SUV, 5'6" - 6' tall, a quarter inch beard, no idea about mustache, brown hair of undescribed hairstyle, medium build, medium musculature, a baby shoe and papers in the car truck or SUV. Shaved pubic area.

Some kind of elasticized pants with no color or clear styling, just not zippered. Red shirt, blue undershirt.

Thin face, squared off jaw.

I can't picture this guy. Maybe it's me. You have to read too much and think too hard to try to get a mental image, where a sketch artist working with the victim could come up with something we could understand. [/*]

I can't visualise the perp. either. I think the problem with a sketch artist is that the victim is overseas.

01-30-2008, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by butterfly28

No you are not the only one having a hard time picturing him. :shrug:

A sketch would be most helpful. Hopefully LE is working on that. Is there any reason they would not be able to do one? [/*]

I was thinking....

Maybe they are really close to getting him,so releasing a sketch could make him run away.:shrug:

If you see your pic on national TV,wouldn't you panick?

Maybe it's better for Bri NOT to release the sketch.

JMHO

wandering

01-30-2008, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by RachelRose

It's not for sure that he shaved his pubic hair for this purpose - unbelievably, men do that now because it's considered sexier by some. I don't get it. [/*]I'm thinking with the description of his clothes and the shaving that he's into some kind of sport. Wouldn't the shaving prevent "jock itch?" :confused:

wandering

01-30-2008, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by CanCan

Wandering.....a TH on NG said that because all the details revealed about the perp are so - well - detailed...that the wife/GF has GOT to be on to this guy.......and HE KNOWS that she knows it's him .....thus, she's in danger.

So, maybe she's scared??? Or waiting for a safe time to sneak off to tell LE??? Or, God forbid, is DOA herself???? [/*]I can't imagine someone not turning him in, unless she's in on it.

Even if she's afraid, wouldn't a secret phone call to LE take care of all of that? He'd be removed from the home.

Maelstrom5

01-30-2008, 09:56 AM

If you go to the link provided you can read about resent trends in men body grooming.

blog.trendforscher.net/trends/shave-your-pubic-area-or-youre-not-trendy/ - 13k -

What is interesting to note in this report is the idea for men to shave their privets started in the porn industry. As we know one of the precursors to violent sexual deviants is a obsession with porn.

SpecialK

01-30-2008, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by wandering
I'm thinking with the description of his clothes and the shaving that he's into some kind of sport. Wouldn't the shaving prevent "jock itch?" :confused: [/*]

:santa:

I know nothing about jock itch but I've seen a lot of young guys who dress in this way. I'm wondering if it was kind of "urban, hip-hop" attire or more sporty. I'm thinking he's on the younger side of that 28-40 range and maybe even younger than 28. The goatee, the clothing, the "shaved" factor all point to a younger man, imo.

ruby

01-30-2008, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae

You would think his wife/gf would recognize a sketch of the shoe or the automobile parts (floor mat) if LE would put them out there...

The shaved pubic area would certainly be something I would question if my SO was...:eek: [/*]

The shaved pubic hair isn't a big deal, or a warning sign. Many men and women my age 20-30 do it because it is sexier, cleaner, and for men it makes them appear 'bigger'. It's very very common....

oh and good morning lol. nothing like starting the day off with pubic hair talk ;)

wandering

01-30-2008, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by SpecialK

:santa:

I know nothing about jock itch but I've seen a lot of young guys who dress in this way. I'm wondering if it was kind of "urban, hip-hop" attire or more sporty. I'm thinking he's on the younger side of that 28-40 range and maybe even younger than 28. The goatee, the clothing, the "shaved" factor all point to a younger man, imo. [/*]What's so funny?

SpecialK

01-30-2008, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by wandering
What's so funny? [/*]

The suggestion of jock itch struck me funny.

wandering

01-30-2008, 10:15 AM

SpecialK

01-30-2008, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by wandering
Well, nice to see that you are so well-informed. I haven't seen any guys, shaved or not... :rolleyes: [/*]

Um, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed or what? I was just sharing my thoughts like everyone else. Pick a fight with another undeserving poster. Oh, and have a nice day. :tongue:

Maelstrom5

01-30-2008, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by ruby

The shaved pubic hair isn't a big deal, or a warning sign. Many men and women my age 20-30 do it because it is sexier, cleaner, and for men it makes them appear 'bigger'. It's very very common....

oh and good morning lol. nothing like starting the day off with pubic hair talk ;) [/*]

I don't want to leave you with the impression that I was commenting on all men who chose to shave. As I previously noted, I have seen surveys passed around on MySpace on the subject.

I am just referring to this particular person and why he did what he did. I still think the most logical reason is to avoid detection. But last night on TV some experts noted that it was strange that he would do that in order to avoid detection but leave his DNA at two crime scenes.

Enough on this subject. You are right a interesting way to start off the day:o

Amy S.

01-30-2008, 10:57 AM

I have been thinking, maybe someone in the porn industry, too. I also think that the perp is at the younger years of the description given.

Perhaps the guy is totally shaved? Legs, arms, etc. Could he be a swimmer?

I hope LE is watching Craigslist. I see all kind of wierdos on there advertising to meet other wierdos.

ruby

01-30-2008, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Maelstrom5

I don't want to leave you with the impression that I was commenting on all men who chose to shave. As I previously noted, I have seen surveys passed around on MySpace on the subject.

I am just referring to this particular person and why he did what he did. I still think the most logical reason is to avoid detection. But last night on TV some experts noted that it was strange that he would do that in order to avoid detection but leave his DNA at two crime scenes.

Enough on this subject. You are right a interesting way to start off the day:o [/*]

No problem! I know different generations think differently about things, that's for sure! When i was like 12 or 13 my best friend was gang-sexually assaulted involving oral sex. When we told my mom she was blown away. She didn't think people actually did that lol. *shrugg* Anyway, the situation wasn't funny, just at how parents and kids live in different worlds!

Hope everyone is well today. Hoping that Brianna is found! :rose:

carterkatt

01-30-2008, 11:05 AM

I know a young guy, in his 20s, that shaves arms, legs, chest, etc.. (I am not sure about OTHER areas)... but just does not like to be hairy... he's not a swimmer either.. I think it's more common that we think. (And, no, he's not "light in the loafers" or into porn, etc! )

Not meaning to offend anyone, etc.. My opinion only!

ruby

01-30-2008, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by carterkatt
I know a young guy, in his 20s, that shaves arms, legs, chest, etc.. (I am not sure about OTHER areas)... but just does not like to be hairy... he's not a swimmer either.. I think it's more common that we think. (And, no, he's not "light in the loafers" or into porn, etc! )

Not meaning to offend anyone, etc.. My opinion only! [/*]

I know this topic is being exahusted, but just to add, I don't like body hair. A lot of people my age dont (26).....I shave/wax my legs/arms/and below the belt! (Sorry TMI). And I'm not a porn star, sexual offender, or weirdo ;)

butterfly28

01-30-2008, 11:53 AM

No new leads developed Tuesday in the disappearance of Brianna Denison after 175 volunteers searched areas near Washoe Valley and U.S. 395.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/NEWS18/80129085&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

© Copyright Reno Gazette-Journal, a Gannett Co. Inc. Newspaper.

Jpanda

01-30-2008, 12:10 PM

Were other searches organized befoe this one, or was this the first one? I wonder if EquuSearch can help....

wandering

01-30-2008, 12:22 PM

Apparently the search dogs didn't find a trail. Either she is somewhere in the house, or she was carried out. :confused:

Jpanda

01-30-2008, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by wandering
Apparently the search dogs didn't find a trail. Either she is somewhere in the house, or she was carried out. :confused: [/*]

Good point. Your "somewhere in the house" comment just made me shudder and think about Leah Hickman. She was found almost a week later in her own basement....I wonder if they searched Brianna's house very thoroughly. JMO

wandering

01-30-2008, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Jpanda

Good point. Your "somewhere in the house" comment just made me shudder and think about Leah Hickman. She was found almost a week later in her own basement....I wonder if they searched Brianna's house very thoroughly. JMO [/*]Exactly. I wonder, too.

bred

01-30-2008, 12:50 PM

Last week I asked our Reno posters if there are basements in Reno...no one ever answered.

omsk99

01-30-2008, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by RachelRose

The details of this perp are NOT detailed - am I the only one trying and failing to picture him?

A truck of an SUV, 5'6" - 6' tall, a quarter inch beard, no idea about mustache, brown hair of undescribed hairstyle, medium build, medium musculature, a baby shoe and papers in the car truck or SUV. Shaved pubic area.

Some kind of elasticized pants with no color or clear styling, just not zippered. Red shirt, blue undershirt.

Thin face, squared off jaw.

I can't picture this guy. Maybe it's me. You have to read too much and think too hard to try to get a mental image, where a sketch artist working with the victim could come up with something we could understand. [/*]

I just think that these details would be enough for someone who knows the guy. JMO

omsk99

01-30-2008, 01:00 PM

~snip

"Brianna Denison's family members Tuesday made a public plea to her abductor to release her safely.

"I want to reach out to this man," her mother, Bridgette, said. "It is so sad whatever happened to him that he would do something like this, but it's not Brianna's fault."

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080130/NEWS01/801300440/1016/NEWS

omsk99

01-30-2008, 01:04 PM

Mom talks about Brianna

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20080127&Kategori=NEWS&Lopenr=801270353&Ref=AR

febreze

01-30-2008, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by wandering
Apparently the search dogs didn't find a trail. Either she is somewhere in the house, or she was carried out. :confused: [/*]

am thinking she could very easly be in a house somewhere also, , i feel the man lives close to this area, and if he is married perhaps he has recently rented an apartment or house where he won't be disturbed or his wife is no longer with him and he has her in his home. I pray this young girl is alive and will be freed. It is so sad and scary the things that go on in the world today.

arkie

01-30-2008, 01:10 PM

I think she still alive, too. My heart weeps for this family..I think the mother and father should be making pleas every day..every hour with pictures of her at christmas when she was small between 2 and 4...anything cute..halloween..a broken arm...being silly..huggy...sweet..this is my life..my love..

butterfly28

01-30-2008, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by bred
Last week I asked our Reno posters if there are basements in Reno...no one ever answered. [/*]

Yes some houses in Reno have basements but they are more common in the older houses. Near the university the houses are typically older but I am not sure how old the house on Mackay Court is. I will look into that today and get back to you. I used to live on Imperial Way which is a few blocks away and the house I lived in was built in the early 40's however there was no basement.

butterfly28

01-30-2008, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Jpanda
Were other searches organized befoe this one, or was this the first one? I wonder if EquuSearch can help.... [/*]

There have been several searches for Brianna since she went missing. These were just the most recent ones that happend yesterday.

That would be wonderful if EqquSearch would come help!

omsk99

01-30-2008, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by butterfly28

There have been several searches for Brianna since she went missing. These were just the most recent ones that happend yesterday.

That would be wonderful if EqquSearch would come help! [/*]

IIRC, the family has to request TES to come and help with search. I hope they are looking into it, too.

:rose:

Breazy

01-30-2008, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae

(respectfully snipped)

Also IMHO the reason a sketch of the perp isn't out is because (as awful as it is) no one has seen his face and lived to talk about it.[/*]

I agree. I think either his face was at least partly covered (like batman mask or something to that effect) or the victim's face was covered to some degree. That's the only reason I can think of she would know hair color, but no other identifying facial features. Sorry if this sounds gross but I don't think knowledge about beard came from sight but from touch.

Praying today's the day Brianna is found, hopefully safe . . .

Politigal

01-30-2008, 02:32 PM

It was reported that Brianna lived on Mackay Court there in Reno, NV.

Does anyone know where the previous victim resided?

Politigal

01-30-2008, 02:35 PM

There are several non-compliant sex offenders in zip 89503 where Brianna lived

http://www.nvsexoffenders.gov/Search.aspx

Breazy

01-30-2008, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Politigal
It was reported that Brianna lived on Mackay Court there in Reno, NV.

Does anyone know where the previous victim resided? [/*]

Brianna didn't actually live there, she was just visiting. As far as an exact address of previous victim, I don't remember seeing one but last night on NG, they showed a map of all three assaults, and one (I think the December one) looked like it was just down the street or around the corner. The other was a couple of blocks.

febreze

01-30-2008, 02:38 PM

am curious as to why the search dogs couldn't find her scent, in the case of Laci Peterson wasn't she placed in the truck but, search dogs followed her scent to the marina miles away, even if she was carried why is there no scent? maybe she is closer then the think, what is next door? (house ? apartment?)

newshound81

01-30-2008, 02:41 PM

The first assault happened on the 1500 block of North Sierra Street and the second one happened at 1400 Virginia Dr.

Politigal

01-30-2008, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

Brianna didn't actually live there, she was just visiting. As far as an exact address of previous victim, I don't remember seeing one but last night on NG, they showed a map of all three assaults, and one (I think the December one) looked like it was just down the street or around the corner. The other was a couple of blocks. [/*]

Thanks

IMO, the perp lives very near

Politigal

01-30-2008, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by newshound81
The first assault happened on the 1500 block of North Sierra Street and the second one happened at 1400 Virginia Dr. [/*]

thx so much!

Rick777

01-30-2008, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

I just think that these details would be enough for someone who knows the guy. JMO [/*]

I find the details pretting amazing considering that girls stress level as she was taking that all in! Don't forget that he had no smells..cigarette, alcohol, cologne. That adds to the fact he might be well to do.

Politigal

01-30-2008, 02:47 PM

here's a map from one crime scene to another

http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&rmm=1&1gi=0&un=m&1da=-1.000000&1rc=L1AAA&cl=EN&qq=1ADqpk24ofB%252fLdz0sm0uIwWZ%252bn3074vSQYamnla gwGbmEF7HQHtOUM99UI6ikDiHI4p%252biFEbWIWtFK9YoEO77 0zv5GJdZs7kjlQshn5MDSzULX%252buvfB7MjZcwLxwOb7bftW yYnBFnEWpkRkt9HHNeZadeWIVCH8f%252*0S%252*9L8oN2o%2 53d&ct=NA&r=f&1si=navt&rsres=1&1y=US&1ffi=&1l=nQYjC1qfvByezwjFCp0SRA%253d%253d&1g=bjxC8KGJQHpD0L3VSdVAdQ%253d%253d&1pl=&1v=ADDRESS&1n=Washoe+County&1pn=&1a=1395+Mackay+Ct&1c=Reno&1s=NV&1z=89503-1624&2y=US&2ffi=&2l=&2g=&2pl=&2v=&2n=&2pn=&2a=1400+N+Virginia+St&2c=Reno&2s=NV&2z=89503&panelbtn=2

they're only .31 mi apart....

I bet he lives right in the middle

omsk99

01-30-2008, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

I find the details pretting amazing considering that girls stress level as she was taking that all in! Don't forget that he had no smells..cigarette, alcohol, cologne. That adds to the fact he might be well to do. [/*]

ITA, Rick! She even remember color of his clothes. I would be so freaking out in her place, I probably would have passed out from the stress level and fear :eek:

Brooke

01-30-2008, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

ITA, Rick! She even remember color of his clothes. I would be so freaking out in her place, I probably would have passed out from the stress level and fear :eek: [/*]

I know the police have tactics to help you remember things that you never thought you would remember.

Several years ago I was a teller at * of A and I was robbed at gun point. I was so upset I couldt remember anything. When the FBI guy sat me down he had me remember backwards in black and white first and then add color. It was weird how much I remembered thinking of it this way. It very well may be the same for this victim.

omsk99

01-30-2008, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Brooke

I know the police have tactics to help you remember things that you never thought you would remember.

Several years ago I was a teller at * of A and I was robbed at gun point. I was so upset I couldt remember anything. When the FBI guy sat me down he had me remember backwards in black and white first and then add color. It was weird how much I remembered thinking of it this way. It very well may be the same for this victim. [/*]

Wow, that is very interesting. I am happy you were unharmed!

omsk99

01-30-2008, 03:26 PM

"Staff report
Brianna Denison's family has not authorized a $100,000 reward for information leading to her safe return as previously reported.
The family said the information was reported by the media since Denison disappeared Jan. 20 but had not been authorized.
Secret Witness, though, is offering a $2,500 reward for anonymous tips leading to an arrest and prosecution.
Anyone with information is encouraged to contact the Reno police hot line at 745-3521, detectives at 334-2115 or Secret Witness at 322-4900. "

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080130/NEWS01/801300440/1016/NEWS

I am confused, was it offered but release of that information was unauthorized, or the family was not offering at all? How did the media get this info then?
:confused:

Amy S.

01-30-2008, 03:35 PM

Wow. That is strange about the reward. I saw that is was offered almost immediately and I thought a family memeber must have put it up.

Breazy

01-30-2008, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by omsk99
[BI am confused, was it offered but release of that information was unauthorized, or the family was not offering at all? How did the media get this info then?
:confused: [/*]

I interpreted it to mean that it was never offered to begin with. I also wonder where the media would have gotten this info if not factual since it (the reward) has been widely reported. I also wonder if perhaps the family has word that a credible tip has come forward and the family is worried about having to come forth with money.

omsk99

01-30-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

I interpreted it to mean that it was never offered to begin with. I also wonder where the media would have gotten this info if not factual since it (the reward) has been widely reported. I also wonder if perhaps the family has word that a credible tip has come forward and the family is worried about having to come forth with money. [/*]

Good point. Another possibility is that too many false tips or info is being submitted, just to get the reward.

Rick777

01-30-2008, 03:50 PM

The reward thing is baffling. The last thing ya wanna do right now is calm the search waters by putting out there the money might not even be available.

Breazy

01-30-2008, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Good point. Another possibility is that too many false tips or info is being submitted, just to get the reward. [/*]

Another good point.

Rick777

01-30-2008, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

Another good point. [/*]

sorry, but if it's my kid I want EVERY LITTLE tip, no matter how weak it may seem at the time. The reward comes if your tip leads to the CAPTURE of the suspect, or the body of Bri.

omsk99

01-30-2008, 04:02 PM

I am leaning towards the family not having enough money, but why did the media release that info then, that hat's puzzles me :confused:

omsk99

01-30-2008, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

sorry, but if it's my kid I want EVERY LITTLE tip, no matter how weak it may seem at the time. The reward comes if your tip leads to the CAPTURE of the suspect, or the body of Bri. [/*]

I would too, but you have to admit, that's a lot of money. Just don't get it how this info got out at all, and why it took the family so long to say it wasn't authorized...

Breazy

01-30-2008, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

sorry, but if it's my kid I want EVERY LITTLE tip, no matter how weak it may seem at the time. The reward comes if your tip leads to the CAPTURE of the suspect, or the body of Bri. [/*]

Oh, I agree!!! But if non-credible tips are keeping LE running around in circles which in turn keeps them from investigating credible tips in a timely manner, it's not good for the investigation. Some people will say anything and hope it rings true for the chance at $100,000.00.

Rick777

01-30-2008, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

You don't miss anything, do you? I type a 1000 words a minute :D [/*]

wow. I type 4.....errr..and a half a minute. thats why I don't make mistakes.;)

Rick777

01-30-2008, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

Oh, I agree!!! But if non-credible tips are keeping LE running around in circles which in turn keeps them from investigating credible tips in a timely manner, it's not good for the investigation. Some people will say anything and hope it rings true for the chance at $100,000.00. [/*]

What worries me is that the parents might think they are simply looking for a body now, and don't wanna pay for that.

I hope not!!!

omsk99

01-30-2008, 04:10 PM

omsk99

01-30-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

What worries me is that the parents might think they are simply looking for a body now, and don't wanna pay for that.

I hope not!!! [/*]

They've been quoted in today's articles that still think she is alive, so I hope that's not the case :(

Brooke

01-30-2008, 04:13 PM

There is a differance in Safe Return and finding her body. I dont believe if they found her body and the reward was offered for her safe return that they would be required to pay out for that. JMO

Breazy

01-30-2008, 04:14 PM

Rick777--

Oh, no! You might be right. In the beginning the reward being offered with hope of a safe return. Now so much time has passed, a safe return is not probable so therefore, they don't want to pay that much. I hope you're not right, though! That would be terrible.

omsk99

01-30-2008, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by Breazy
Oh, no! You might be right. In the beginning the reward being offered with hope of a safe return. Now so much time has passed, a safe return is not probable so therefore, they don't want to pay that much. I hope you're not right, though! That would be terrible. [/*]

But I still find it a bit strange they are now saying they had never authorized before, even for her safe return :shrug:

Rick777

01-30-2008, 04:18 PM

I have felt that she would be returned safely for over a week. However....after reading the past assaults, etc...I think maybe he strangled her and killed her because she is so petite. :(.....accidently.

Breazy

01-30-2008, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

But I still find it a bit strange they are now saying they had never authorized before, even for her safe return :shrug: [/*]

I agree! If they never authorized it to begin with, it seems they would have come forward disputing it when it was first reported.

omsk99

01-30-2008, 04:20 PM

"Groups search for missing NV teen" (video)

http://usatoday.feedroom.com/index.jsp?fr_story=FRdamp244116&rf=rss

"Community finds ways to lend hand" (article)

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080130/NEWS01/801300438/1016/NEWS

ETA: From the article above:

http://www.myspace.com/helpfindbrianna

Rick777

01-30-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

I agree! If they never authorized it to begin with, it seems they would have come forward disputing it when it was first reported. [/*]

It really is strange, but I guess you really don't focus on that stuff the first few days when your head is spinning.

Rick777

01-30-2008, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by omsk99
"Groups search for missing NV teen" (video)

http://usatoday.feedroom.com/index.jsp?fr_story=FRdamp244116&rf=rss

"Community finds ways to lend hand" (article)

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080130/NEWS01/801300438/1016/NEWS [/*]

Thats great, but why didn't her friends and family start a community search day one????? I never got that....

Breazy

01-30-2008, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

It really is strange, but I guess you really don't focus on that stuff the first few days when your head is spinning. [/*]

Yea, your're right. Maybe the family thought the award was being offered by others and were just grateful . . . just now realizing the reports stating it was being offered by the family.

Rick777

01-30-2008, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

Yea, your're right. Maybe the family thought the award was being offered by others and were just grateful . . . just now realizing the reports stating it was being offered by the family. [/*]

I think you are right on Breazy

omsk99

01-30-2008, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

Thats great, but why didn't her friends and family start a community search day one????? I never got that.... [/*]

Sometimes LE do not allow them at first, not to jeopardize the investigation. This happened with Donna Jou, missing since last summer from LA, who is still sadly missing.

Rick777

01-30-2008, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Sometimes LE do not allow them at first, not to jeopardize the investigation. This happened with Donna Jou, missing since last summer from LA, who is still sadly missing. [/*]

Thats a thought

omsk99

01-30-2008, 04:27 PM

http://www.livevideo.com/video/APnews/01A6D2837897467CADB1503F59*07DB4/search-groups-join-effort-for-.aspx

Rick777

01-30-2008, 04:28 PM

is my PM box full?:tongue:

omsk99

01-30-2008, 04:29 PM

I didn't know you PMed!

Originally posted by Rick777
is my PM box full?:tongue: [/*]

Breazy

01-30-2008, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

Thats great, but why didn't her friends and family start a community search day one????? I never got that.... [/*]

According to that video, friends and family have been seeking assistance with searching since day one. Maybe it just takes time to organize? Or maybe LE asked them to wait? :shrug:

Rick777

01-30-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

According to that video, friends and family have been seeking assistance with searching since day one. Maybe it just takes time to organize? Or maybe LE asked them to wait? :shrug: [/*]

Maybe so, but her friends were so busy doing tv shows.....

That made me suspicious right away.

Breazy

01-30-2008, 04:32 PM

omsk99

01-30-2008, 04:32 PM

omsk99

01-30-2008, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

Maybe so, but her friends were so busy doing tv shows.....

That made me suspicious right away. [/*]

But what's better than being on TV, spreading info about Brianna, a lot more people watch TV than read newspapers these days. JMO :cool:

Breazy

01-30-2008, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

Maybe so, but her friends were so busy doing tv shows.....

That made me suspicious right away. [/*]

From my understanding, KT and Jessica weren't really close friends of Brianna's. The search was organized by her CLOSE friends and family. I understand that KT and Jessica weren't involved in organizing.

omsk99

01-30-2008, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

I was a tad too slow. lol. [/*]

:seeya:

mxma30

01-30-2008, 04:41 PM

just throwing in a thought i had on the subject of "wouldnt someone's wife catch on to the description of the car and baby's shoe in the truck"

very possible that this guy is divorced and may only have visitation rights.. little contact with the mother.

omsk99

01-30-2008, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by mxma30
just throwing in a thought i had on the subject of "wouldnt someone's wife catch on to the description of the car and baby's shoe in the truck"

very possible that this guy is divorced and may only have visitation rights.. little contact with the mother. [/*]

Or was never married. Hope he didn't abduct any baby!

ruby

01-30-2008, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by mxma30
just throwing in a thought i had on the subject of "wouldnt someone's wife catch on to the description of the car and baby's shoe in the truck"

very possible that this guy is divorced and may only have visitation rights.. little contact with the mother. [/*]

Exactly my thoughts, especially with the 'stereo with those odd lights'

mxma30

01-30-2008, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by ruby

Exactly my thoughts, especially with the 'stereo with those odd lights' [/*]

i still dont find the lights to be anything odd. or course it helps to pin point the vehicle, but i dont think it is anything fancy the driver did to it. half the after market cd players at best buy and circuit city have multi color lighted displays. its probably just a cheap player.

ruby

01-30-2008, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by mxma30

i still dont find the lights to be anything odd. or course it helps to pin point the vehicle, but i dont think it is anything fancy the driver did to it. half the after market cd players at best buy and circuit city have multi color lighted displays. its probably just a cheap player. [/*]

Yah my stereo is like that, it has lights. But she made a point of mentioning them, which wouldn't seem like anything helpful to me, so I was thinking it may be different than the average one, but who knows. They will catch this guy...I hope they get a sketch out soon!

omsk99

01-30-2008, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by ruby

Yah my stereo is like that, it has lights. But she made a point of mentioning them, which wouldn't seem like anything helpful to me, so I was thinking it may be different than the average one, but who knows. They will catch this guy...I hope they get a sketch out soon! [/*]

That would be great! But no one has seen his face, I don't know if they can do it without additional information :(

ruby

01-30-2008, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

That would be great! But no one has seen his face, I don't know if they can do it without additional information :( [/*]

Totally frustrating. The only 'clue' they have is a repeat offender. So sad. No trace of this beauty.

Rick777

01-30-2008, 05:26 PM

I think the clues that will get him are the Long face with the square jaw, and the tuft of hair on his chin. Even if he cuts the chin hair.....someone will realize he cut it.

omsk99

01-30-2008, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Rick777
I think the clues that will get him are the Long face with the square jaw, and the tuft of hair on his chin. Even if he cuts the chin hair.....someone will realize he cut it. [/*]

Maybe the clothes, and the baby shoe, too. If someone puts all the clues together that are known, maybe someone will recognize him. As each day goes by, it becomes sadder and sadder :(

Rick777

01-30-2008, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Maybe the clothes, and the baby shoe, too. If someone puts all the clues together that are known, maybe someone will recognize him. As each day goes by, it becomes sadder and sadder :( [/*]

as far as the baby shoe....that would be something SOMEBODY knows about. Either that...or he has really small feet. jk..jk...jk..

CanCan

01-30-2008, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by Cookies

I was thinking....

Maybe they are really close to getting him,so releasing a sketch could make him run away.:shrug:

If you see your pic on national TV,wouldn't you panick?

Maybe it's better for Bri NOT to release the sketch.

JMHO [/*]

Cookies.....I totally agree!

:beer: Diet Coke

Rick777

01-30-2008, 05:48 PM

Every day I get up and check the headlines....hoping brianna is found safe, Cesar Laurean is captured, or Stacy Peterson is found.

Everyday it's 0-3.

It's a small world...and these people should all be located!

omsk99

01-30-2008, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Rick777
Every day I get up and check the headlines....hoping brianna is found safe, Cesar Laurean is captured, or Stacy Peterson is found.

Everyday it's 0-3.

It's a small world...and these people should all be located! [/*]

Unfortunately, it's a small world with a lot of small hiding places :(

Rick777

01-30-2008, 05:51 PM

Ok......so after all the hoopla about this myspace guy, I did some searching of my own. I have to say in the age range of 26-33...90% of all guys in the Reno area have a goatee, a kid or two, and a big truck!

omsk99

01-30-2008, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Rick777
Ok......so after all the hoopla about this myspace guy, I did some searching of my own. I have to say in the age range of 26-33...90% of all guys in the Reno area have a goatee, a kid or two, and a big truck! [/*]

The number seems a bit high, no? ;)

Rick777

01-30-2008, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Unfortunately, it's a small world with a lot of small hiding places :( [/*]

But for every one person...there are two eyes, and two ears. Unless...well.....nevermind...

Rick777

01-30-2008, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

The number seems a bit high, no? ;) [/*]

It was 88.973% and I rounded it off, ok????

brat. *S*

omsk99

01-30-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

But for every one person...there are two eyes, and two ears. Unless...well.....nevermind... [/*]

So many people's cases go cold after a while. The most critical are 48, as we all know, then with time evidence disappears, as do clues. I do hope this is not the case with Brianna, of course

CanCan

01-30-2008, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by Jpanda
Were other searches organized befoe this one, or was this the first one? I wonder if EquuSearch can help.... [/*]

Am I remembering this correctly........that the Laura Recovery Center is part of EquuaSearch??

I think Tim Miller's daughter's name was Laura.

JMO

Rick777

01-30-2008, 05:57 PM

This guy assaults in the same area at least three times.

This guy returns one victim to her home!

This guy allows a victim to see numerous clues about him.

Errr....how can we not get this guy?

omsk99

01-30-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Rick777
This guy assaults in the same area at least three times.

This guy returns one victim to her home!

This guy allows a victim to see numerous clues about him.

Errr....how can we not get this guy? [/*]

Well, her seems tyo always act around 4-5 am, girls might be sleeping (like Brianna) or intoxicated, may not remember or see a lot of things in the dark. Who knows :shrug:

Rick777

01-30-2008, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Well, her seems tyo always act around 4-5 am, girls might be sleeping (like Brianna) or intoxicated, may not remember or see a lot of things in the dark. Who knows :shrug: [/*]

"Well, her seems tyo always act "

Translator please!!!;)

CanCan

01-30-2008, 06:06 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mxma30
just throwing in a thought i had on the subject of "wouldnt someone's wife catch on to the description of the car and baby's shoe in the truck"

MXMA30~~~~~~ Exactly.

Although there's not a sketch available of the perp........the detailed description of the vehicle........especially the baby shoe and the pieces of paper.......should ring a bell with the perp's wife/GF.

Not to mention the "shaved area."

When you put those two clues together.......I should think bells would ring rather loudly for the wife/GF.

JMO

omsk99

01-30-2008, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

"Well, her seems tyo always act "

Translator please!!!;) [/*]

he seems to always attack :lol:

newshound81

01-30-2008, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by CanCan

Am I remembering this correctly........that the Laura Recovery Center is part of EquuaSearch??

I think Tim Miller's daughter's name was Laura.

JMO [/*]

LRC is run by the family of Laura Smither, a 12-year-old girl who was abducted while on an morning jog and brutally murdered in TX in '97. I believe it is seperate from Equusearch.

Jpanda

01-30-2008, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

he seems to always attack :lol: [/*]

haha, I totally saw you edit that...but I won't tell. :D

Can anyone else confirm that Laura's Recovery IS a part of Equusearch? I would look it up, but at work, as always. TIA!

SpecialK

01-30-2008, 06:24 PM

I realize this is a stretch but any chance the baby shoe was only in the truck as a prop -- to give women a fall sense of security when they're with him? As in, this guy couldn't possibly hurt me because he's a dad...

Just a thought!

newshound81

01-30-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Jpanda

haha, I totally saw you edit that...but I won't tell. :D

Can anyone else confirm that Laura's Recovery IS a part of Equusearch? I would look it up, but at work, as always. TIA! [/*]

According to their Web sites (http://www.texasequusearch.org/ and www.lrcf.org/), they are not. But you are right, Equusearch is attached to another Laura, Laura Miller, who was murdered in the 80s.

Jpanda

01-30-2008, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by newshound81

According to their Web sites (http://www.texasequusearch.org/ and www.lrcf.org/), they are not. But you are right, Equusearch is attached to another Laura, Laura Miller, who was murdered in the 80s. [/*]

Thanks for the info! I wish I could take credit for the connection, but CanCan mentioned it first.

Rick777

01-30-2008, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by SpecialK
I realize this is a stretch but any chance the baby shoe was only in the truck as a prop -- to give women a fall sense of security when they're with him? As in, this guy couldn't possibly hurt me because he's a dad...

Just a thought! [/*]

he wouldn't be that eloborate. He hits the same area. he chokes out his people from behind so I don't think he has the tender approach.

Rick777

01-30-2008, 06:31 PM

I feel lame, but what is "ITA" mean??

I get that alot!

Jpanda

01-30-2008, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by Rick777
I feel lame, but what is "ITA" mean??

I get that alot! [/*]

I believe it means I totally agree...at least I hope so....cause I use that a lot. :tongue:

omsk99

01-30-2008, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

he wouldn't be that eloborate. He hits the same area. he chokes out his people from behind so I don't think he has the tender approach. [/*]

ITA :)

He attacks them outside, and they don't get into his car voluntarily. Do they have a description or a sketch of the shoe out?

Rick777

01-30-2008, 06:36 PM

wow...cool. people agree with me alot. hehehehe

Donnah

01-30-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by CanCan

Am I remembering this correctly........that the Laura Recovery Center is part of EquuaSearch??

I think Tim Miller's daughter's name was Laura.

JMO [/*]

He was a volunteer (http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/6.html) at LRC. The director suggested he start a mounted search and rescue organization, which he did.
Both girls are named Laura.

CanCan

01-30-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by newshound81

LRC is run by the family of Laura Smither, a 12-year-old girl who was abducted while on an morning jog and brutally murdered in TX in '97. I believe it is seperate from Equusearch. [/*]

Oh, thanks for the correction, newshound.

:seeya:

omsk99

01-30-2008, 06:42 PM

~snip

"January 30, 2008)—Searchers from the Laura Recovery Center for Missing Children in Friendswood and the Polly Klaas Foundation in California are organizing teams to search for a missing 19-year-old college coed who may have been kidnapped."

Texas Team Joins Search For Missing College Coed

P.S. Such a beautiful picture of Brianna, although they all are

:rose:

ETA: THe link: http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/14977211.html

Jpanda

01-30-2008, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by omsk99
~snip

"January 30, 2008)—Searchers from the Laura Recovery Center for Missing Children in Friendswood and the Polly Klaas Foundation in California are organizing teams to search for a missing 19-year-old college coed who may have been kidnapped."

Texas Team Joins Search For Missing College Coed

P.S. Such a beautiful picture of Brianna, although they all are

:rose: [/*]

I'm so glad they've got some professional help. I'm still hoping and praying the perp releases her, like he did his last victim.

CanCan

01-30-2008, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by Donnah

He was a volunteer (http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/texas_equusearch/6.html) at LRC. The director suggested he start a mounted search and rescue organization, which he did.
Both girls are named Laura. [/*]

And thanks, Donnah.

:seeya:

Breazy

01-30-2008, 06:51 PM

Breazy

01-30-2008, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

*calling your boss too* [/*]

You can forget calling mine because he's sitting right across from me!!:tongue:

omsk99

01-30-2008, 07:07 PM

http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1397797722

Brooke

01-30-2008, 07:43 PM

I may have missed this but have they said how long the second victim was held before he released her? TIA

Brooke

01-30-2008, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by omsk99
http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1397797722 [/*]

WoW I did not realise KT's room was so close. The couch is just on the other side of the wall :eek:

omsk99

01-30-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Brooke
I may have missed this but have they said how long the second victim was held before he released her? TIA [/*]

I think one was able to get away without being assaulted, and the other was sexually assaulted and riven home. I don't remember reading it, but I assume a couple of hours? :shrug:

omsk99

01-30-2008, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by Brooke

WoW I did not realise KT's room was so close. The couch is just on the other side of the wall :eek: [/*]

I know, I read that before, but didn't realize it was THAT close, which is why it's so strange the dog didn't bark or KT just didn't hear it, and didn't hear anything herself being deeply asleep.

RiverWalk

01-30-2008, 08:31 PM

RiverWalk

01-30-2008, 08:57 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,326405,00.html

The mission here is to FIND Brianna and hopefully she will be found alive.

wandering

01-30-2008, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae

I doubt this guy gives a whit about "a sense of security" for these young ladies.

:rose: [/*]The Green River killer used his son...just sayin'...:shrug:

ruby

01-30-2008, 09:05 PM

Hi Everyone:seeya:
Watching Nancy Grace....not covering Brianna sadly. Some sick SOB threw a baby out of the car like trash tho. GRRR :flamemad:

CanCan

01-30-2008, 11:48 PM

Mark Furhman says he hopes that, after the Dec assault, LE checked the described vehicle against reported stolen vehicles

perp maybe working swing shift so can account for his time

MF says the perp was an OPPORTUNIST----didn't stalk and plan this crime

butterfly28

01-31-2008, 01:41 AM

A portion of a new interview on the rgj.com. Link is below. The article was interesting.

Reno police are asking the public to be aware of anyone who may have changed his personality, appearance or may have suddenly moved or sold a truck, following the announcement of a revised suspect vehicle description in the Brianna Denison abduction.

"We just want to stress to people any changes in behavior," said Lt. Robert McDonald.

For example, he said, the suspect may have shaved facial hair, changed behavior, moved suddenly or sold the vehicle.

"It's not unlikely

this suspect moved and is targeting a new area or city," McDonald said. "If you have seen someone matching this suspect description prior to the public release of those details call our tip line."

Police also are looking at past police reports made about window peekers, prowlers, suspicious people, crimes associated with sex and men who solicit prostitutes. McDonald said tips are prioritized and checked by detectives. Some people have called to report criminal incidents for the first time, he said.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080130/NEWS18/801300458&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

Maelstrom5

01-31-2008, 09:30 AM

The following information does not deal with Brianna's disappearance but that of the rape and murder of 6 year old Coralrose Fullwood.

But I feel the questions asked by the North Port, Florida police apply equally in this case. Just substitute Brianna Denison missing, for Coralrose Fullwood murder victim

1. Are you aware of anyone who has stopped coming into the neighborhood/area since the time Coralrose Fullwood''s body was found?

2. Is there anyone that you have suspicions about who lived, worked or visited in the neighborhood?

3. Are you aware of anyone who has moved or left the area suddenly since Coralrose's body was found?

4. Are you aware of anyone whose behavior seems to have changed since Coralrose's body was found? For example:

a. Increased consumption of alcohol and/or drugs.

*. Developed an intense interest and curiosity in the investigation.

c. Become more withdrawn, paranoid and/or guarded.

d. Missed work.

e. Became more irritable or aggressive.

5. Do you know of anyone who has indicated any type of interest in the investigation?

6. Are you aware of anyone who has changed his appearance since the discovery of Coralrose's body?

01-31-2008, 09:54 AM

I still believe it's strange that he took her with him.

Hope she's alive.

:rose:

ruby

01-31-2008, 10:02 AM

Good Morning everyone.....:rose:

newshound81

01-31-2008, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
The following information does not deal with Brianna's disappearance but that of the rape and murder of 6 year old Coralrose Fullwood.

But I feel the questions asked by the North Port, Florida police apply equally in this case. Just substitute Brianna Denison missing, for Coralrose Fullwood murder victim

1. Are you aware of anyone who has stopped coming into the neighborhood/area since the time Coralrose Fullwood''s body was found?

2. Is there anyone that you have suspicions about who lived, worked or visited in the neighborhood?

3. Are you aware of anyone who has moved or left the area suddenly since Coralrose's body was found?

4. Are you aware of anyone whose behavior seems to have changed since Coralrose's body was found? For example:

a. Increased consumption of alcohol and/or drugs.

*. Developed an intense interest and curiosity in the investigation.

c. Become more withdrawn, paranoid and/or guarded.

d. Missed work.

e. Became more irritable or aggressive.

5. Do you know of anyone who has indicated any type of interest in the investigation?

6. Are you aware of anyone who has changed his appearance since the discovery of Coralrose's body? [/*]

Wow Maelstrom5, this is great list! Sometimes people don't think of these things when considering a suspect.

I was thinking, maybe people aren't coming forward with information because a lot of people weren't around during BD's and the December attacks since UN was on winter break. According to the college's Web site, winter break was from Dec. 20 to January 20. Kids living in dorms and even probably a lot of those living in off-campus apartments probbaly took off to go home to their families after their finals the week of Dec. 16 and started rolling back in the day BD disappeared. I'd love to know the make-up of the residential area around UN, whether it's mostly college renters, or a lot of the general public.

Rick777

01-31-2008, 11:24 AM

I think..at this point if Brianna is alive, she is being kept as a pet, and that would mean this guy has some help....most likely from a female. I don't think he would keep brianna around without help because she would become a burden to him and would be hard to hide for long from his family, or the general public.

ruby

01-31-2008, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Rick777
I think..at this point if Brianna is alive, she is being kept as a pet, and that would mean this guy has some help....most likely from a female. I don't think he would keep brianna around without help because she would become a burden to him and would be hard to hide for long from his family, or the general public. [/*]

I dont think she is alive sadly. I hope someone finds her soon....I hate that people are just dumped somewhere and never found. How horrible...

Nen

01-31-2008, 11:52 AM

I have to agree with Ruby. I don't believe whoever has her would keep her alive..especially with all the media attention.

Maelstrom5

01-31-2008, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by newshound81

Wow Maelstrom5, this is great list! Sometimes people don't think of these things when considering a suspect.

I was thinking, maybe people aren't coming forward with information because a lot of people weren't around during BD's and the December attacks since UN was on winter break. According to the college's Web site, winter break was from Dec. 20 to January 20. Kids living in dorms and even probably a lot of those living in off-campus apartments probbaly took off to go home to their families after their finals the week of Dec. 16 and started rolling back in the day BD disappeared. I'd love to know the make-up of the residential area around UN, whether it's mostly college renters, or a lot of the general public. [/*]

Hi,

The information about UN-Reno's winter brake is interesting. I really wonder just how much the students knew about this threat.

It will not be the first time that a University failed to act. In the murder case of Laura Dickinson 22, her school not only failed to act, they covered up the fact she had been murdered in her dorm room. Eastern Michigan University let its students think Laura’s death was accidental , for two months, while the man accused of killing her was walking around the campus.
In Dec. 2007 EMU wound up paying Laura's parents 2.5 million and the schools president was fired in the wake of the cover-up of information about the slaying.

Not all schools think of their reputation first and the students safety second. At Rice university in Houston, Texas and at the University of Connecticut, in Storrs when students went missing they quickly jumped into action. Andrew Arpin, a UConn student, was quickly located thanks to University news reports. Matthew Wilson at Rice is unfortunately still missing, but not for lack of effort on the University's part.

Jpanda

01-31-2008, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Rick777
I think..at this point if Brianna is alive, she is being kept as a pet, and that would mean this guy has some help....most likely from a female. I don't think he would keep brianna around without help because she would become a burden to him and would be hard to hide for long from his family, or the general public. [/*]

I am really hoping and praying you're right, and that she IS alive. I just can't imagine why he isn't returning her, like he did with the other victims....You'd think he'd drop her off somewhere. JMO

Brooke

01-31-2008, 12:32 PM

The weather has been really bad this past week up there in Reno. Lota of snow and super cold. I wonder how much this is affecting the search efforts.

arkie

01-31-2008, 12:43 PM

I think she is alive because there isn't a good reason for taking her body. Its obivious he doesn't care nor is he careful with DNA and finger prints so he doesn't have a record. The longer it goes with out a body the better her chances are of still being found alive. She is so tiny he could keep her locked up in a walk in closet. He can't move her if his only vehicle is a truck, nowhere to put her to hide her from the public. I think he is caught in that he can't kill her and he can't turn her loose..to many people looking for her right now.

Amy S.

01-31-2008, 12:51 PM

I am still hoping for a good outcome in this case.

There are cases where a person has been abducted and is brainwashed, threatened and cohersed so much, that they can't run, even when given the opportunity.

Jpanda

01-31-2008, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by arkie
respectfully snipped

I think he is caught in that he can't kill her and he can't turn her loose..to many people looking for her right now. [/*]

OK, so let's assume that she is alive.
I've thought about the fact that he probably can't release her now with so many people on the look-out for her.....Also, by now, she could have possibly seen his face. Could there be an "anonymous" way (or at least he could THINK it was anonymous) for him to release her somewhere??

butterfly28

01-31-2008, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Brooke
The weather has been really bad this past week up there in Reno. Lota of snow and super cold. I wonder how much this is affecting the search efforts. [/*]

We have pretty unpredictable weather. We were expecting quite a bit of snow this week but nothing really came of it in Reno. It tried to snow a few times but thankfully it never really started sticking to the ground. Today was the first there the roads were almost completely clear driving to work. However we are told to expect snow today and Saturday.... we will see if it happens.

There was snow storm/ whiteout in Washoe Valley on the way to Carson (which is about 20-30 miles from Reno). I had read searches were going to go along the highways along 395 from Reno to Carson (through Washoe Valley) so those searches could have been affected by snow.

I sent an email asking if there were searches this weekend because I would gladly grab a few friends to help out. If anyone on these boards has any info on that please post.

Thank you very much.

Breazy

01-31-2008, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by ruby
Hi Everyone:seeya:
Watching Nancy Grace....not covering Brianna sadly. Some sick SOB threw a baby out of the car like trash tho. GRRR :flamemad: [/*]

I was watching too. Sickening. Stories like this just make me cry as I was never able to have children but thankfully have experienced motherhood through the adoption of the two greatest kids ever!!! I hope the person responsible (most likely father) is apprehended quickly and suffers the rest of his life.

omsk99

01-31-2008, 01:54 PM

omsk99

01-31-2008, 01:56 PM

Another similar article to the one that is posted above, with slightly different info as well

"Suspect in Disappearance of Nevada Woman May Live Close By"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327045,00.html

omsk99

01-31-2008, 01:56 PM

http://briannadenison.com/

Rick777

01-31-2008, 02:20 PM

omsk99...I have been right before ya know. It was the spring of 1977...

:tongue:

ruby

01-31-2008, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Breazy

I was watching too. Sickening. Stories like this just make me cry as I was never able to have children but thankfully have experienced motherhood through the adoption of the two greatest kids ever!!! I hope the person responsible (most likely father) is apprehended quickly and suffers the rest of his life. [/*]

Im sorry to hear that, but glad you found joy in alternative options! That's great! And also, there are other alternatives, if you dont want your child. Give it up for adoption, drop it at a fire or police station or decide to not be part of its life. Killing babies makes no sense.....:flamemad:

omsk99

01-31-2008, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by Rick777
omsk99...I have been right before ya know. It was the spring of 1977...

:tongue: [/*]

:lol:

ruby

01-31-2008, 02:29 PM

Butterfly:

as per www.briannadennison.com

Brianna Search Center Opens…

The KlaasKIDS Foundation, a non-profit child advocacy organization, will open a community search center on:

Tuesday, January 29 and on…

Beginning at 9:00 AM

Location: Circus Circus Convention center

500 N. Sierra St.

Reno, NV 89503

775-785-8302

Volunteer searchers will be needed throughout the day. The last search team will be sent out around 2:30 pm. We need colunteers for foot searches as well as volunteers willing to work in the Search Center administration.

“Volunteers must be 18 years of age or older, be in good health and bring photo identification,” said Brad Dennis, KlaasKIDS Director of Search Operations. “Searchers should wear clothing that is appropriate for the current weather conditions.”

chelle719

01-31-2008, 02:45 PM

Well it's obivous this guy is an ameteur. He released the second girl without killing her and might of originally had the same intentions with brianna. I think all the media hype screwed up his plan. I don't think he was expecting such a huge deal to come of it. I don't think he's capable of killing, because if he was, i think he would have just killed the previous victim. So hopefully he's hiding brianna out somewhere and the police will find her before he finds a little more courage to step up his game. :/

ruby

01-31-2008, 02:57 PM

Does anyone know how long/how many days the previous victim was held for? Was she 'stashed' somewhere for a few days? Or kidnapped, raped, and let go the same day?

chelle719

01-31-2008, 02:58 PM

Hmm, i'm pretty sure that she was just kept for a few hours. And then he dropped her off somewhere. Which is just kind of odd to me. :/ Usually that happens with someone you KNOW, but if it's done by a complete stranger, the intent is usually to kill.

ruby

01-31-2008, 02:58 PM

OT: In other news

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/31/boys.kidnapped.ap/index.html

Kidnapper's future: 74 life terms completely alone (Re: Michael Devlin) :beer:

omsk99

01-31-2008, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by chelle719
Hmm, i'm pretty sure that she was just kept for a few hours. And then he dropped her off somewhere. Which is just kind of odd to me. :/ Usually that happens with someone you KNOW, but if it's done by a complete stranger, the intent is usually to kill. [/*]

Yes, I believe it was a few hours, and then he drove her home (hope she didn't REALLY tell him where she lives, though!).

ruby

01-31-2008, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

I think he raped her in his truck :confused: [/*]

im confused as well....what a difference in his MO in a months time....pick up a girl, take her to diff location, rape her, drive her home.

now, be as bold as to look into a house, walk into a house, and take a girl, and not return her....

omsk99

01-31-2008, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by ruby

im confused as well....what a difference in his MO in a months time....pick up a girl, take her to diff location, rape her, drive her home.

now, be as bold as to look into a house, walk into a house, and take a girl, and not return her.... [/*]

I know, and the third girl was able to run away from him without being assaulted... It seems he is escalating, and it's so dangerous :mad:

chelle719

01-31-2008, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

I know, and the third girl was able to run away from him without being assaulted... It seems he is escalating, and it's so dangerous :mad: [/*]

i agree. However, i do believe Brianna is in his house - wherever that may be. I think she's alive and it's just a matter of how fast we can get to her.

ruby

01-31-2008, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

I know, and the third girl was able to run away from him without being assaulted... It seems he is escalating, and it's so dangerous :mad: [/*]

Someone knows something, they're just not thinking. Usually these guys are the ones you least expect! They always say "I never thought he'd be capable of that".....Like Paul Bernardo was a good looking guy, with a good looking wife....This guy could be with a baby right now. Someone needs to open their friggin eyes.

chelle719

01-31-2008, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by ruby

Someone knows something, they're just not thinking. Usually these guys are the ones you least expect! They always say "I never thought he'd be capable of that".....Like Paul Bernardo was a good looking guy, with a good looking wife....This guy could be with a baby right now. Someone needs to open their friggin eyes. [/*]

i bet someone already has. now they just need to build up the courage to tell on their son/husband/brother whoever it may be. i guess when it comes down to something like that, you want to live in denial until you absolutely have to face that facts. :/ And unfortuntely, it might be too late.

Breazy

01-31-2008, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by ruby

Im sorry to hear that, but glad you found joy in alternative options! That's great! And also, there are other alternatives, if you dont want your child. Give it up for adoption, drop it at a fire or police station or decide to not be part of its life. Killing babies makes no sense.....:flamemad: [/*]

ITA!!!

And Sorry about O/T

ruby

01-31-2008, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by chelle719

i bet someone already has. now they just need to build up the courage to tell on their son/husband/brother whoever it may be. i guess when it comes down to something like that, you want to live in denial until you absolutely have to face that facts. :/ And unfortuntely, it might be too late. [/*]

Yes very true, when its someone least expected, you want to not believe it....It would be hard. As per Brian's Predictions http://www.briansdreams.com/MISSING/publicr/603.htm the guy seems 'young' to me, meaning under 30....I wonder if he could be a T.A, grad studen, or Junior prof at the university....although then he'd have access to a lot of women, but he could have stalked them there...im not sure though, were the other victims from the university?

chelle719

01-31-2008, 03:27 PM

It could be someone that saw Brianna at the party and followed the girls back to their house. :/ I think the friends need to think back a little more on who they came into contact with at that party or who seemed suspicious at all.

and then of course, it could be someone who just happened to be driving by..

newshound81

01-31-2008, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by chelle719
It could be someone that saw Brianna at the party and followed the girls back to their house. :/ I think the friends need to think back a little more on who they came into contact with at that party or who seemed suspicious at all.

and then of course, it could be someone who just happened to be driving by.. [/*]
It seems like the perp particularly targeted the area, not the victims. The places of attack are all about .3 mile away from each other - the roads they took place on are laid out almost in a perfect square. It's interesting, though, because he had to have stalked the area at least for a little while to see that there were a lot of female students there. When I was in college, most of the off-campus housing was occupied by male students or fraternity brothers.

ruby

01-31-2008, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by newshound81

It seems like the perp particularly targeted the area, not the victims. The places of attack are all about .3 mile away from each other - the roads they took place on are laid out almost in a perfect square. It's interesting, though, because he had to have stalked the area at least for a little while to see that there were a lot of female students there. When I was in college, most of the off-campus housing was occupied by male students or fraternity brothers. [/*]

Perhaps he lives right in the middle of all the attacks. Close to home, and branches out from his safe spot. I lived in off-campus housing, with a bunch of girls, but yes, most of the off-campus housing was males.

omsk99

01-31-2008, 03:44 PM

omsk99

01-31-2008, 03:46 PM

omsk99

01-31-2008, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by newshound81

It seems like the perp particularly targeted the area, not the victims. The places of attack are all about .3 mile away from each other - the roads they took place on are laid out almost in a perfect square. It's interesting, though, because he had to have stalked the area at least for a little while to see that there were a lot of female students there. When I was in college, most of the off-campus housing was occupied by male students or fraternity brothers. [/*]

What puzzles me, how did he know the door would have been unlocked?.. It's such a coincidence that he happened to come into that particular house with the door unlocked. Maybe he tried other houses before with no luck :confused:

ruby

01-31-2008, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Or Edwin Hall, with a wife and a child (oh, the Bernardo case was SO horrendous) [/*]

Yes the Edwin hall case bugs me! I still dont know why he did what he's accused of doing....people are nuts

ruby

01-31-2008, 03:55 PM

newshound81

01-31-2008, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

What puzzles me, how did he know the door would have been unlocked?.. It's such a coincidence that he happened to come into that particular house with the door unlocked. Maybe he tried other houses before with no luck :confused: [/*]

That troubles me too, omsk99. He was taking a mighty chance that just rustling the knob around would wake Brianna or someone else in the house if it were in fact locked. Also, how did he know the two men who normally live at Mackay Court weren't there that particular night?

It also interests me that there must have been so many young women out and about in the general Reno area that night after the SWAT concert - why didn't he target someone on the street as he had before? It's strange that he took it so far as to go into a house and not wait for the bait to walk by on the street.

The whole targeting the college area thing also has me now wondering if the perp has animosity not only towards women, but towards the educated. Maybe he didn't get to go to college because of money, other circumstances, and is acting out on it.

omsk99

01-31-2008, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by ruby

Maybe he was prepared to break in. Or perhaps he's been there before and he knows them all?? [/*]

But I think it would be dangerous on his part, with three girls and possibly make roommates being there, assuming he didn't know who lived there and how many people. Unless he did know them, knew the guys were out of town and the girls were drinking and partying so probably wouldn't even hear if he forced the entry.

omsk99

01-31-2008, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by newshound81

That troubles me too, omsk99. He was taking a mighty chance that just rustling the knob around would wake Brianna or someone else in the house if it were in fact locked. Also, how did he know the two men who normally live at Mackay Court weren't there that particular night?

It also interests me that there must have been so many young women out and about in the general Reno area that night after the SWAT concert - why didn't he target someone on the street as he had before? It's strange that he took it so far as to go into a house and not wait for the bait to walk by on the street.

The whole targeting the college area thing also has me now wondering if the perp has animosity not only towards women, but towards the educated. Maybe he didn't get to go to college because of money, other circumstances, and is acting out on it. [/*]

I just posted the same thought about the male roommates, newshound81. Maybe he somehow overheard girls talking, either on the street or at party if he was there, and they mentioned it (maybe discussing sleeping arrangements), and followed them seeing they were intoxicated. LE thinks he lives (lived) nearby, so I wonder if he has anything to do with the university. I hope LE are looking at all the young professors, TAs, grad students at the UNR.

ruby

01-31-2008, 04:07 PM

I feel as though he lives alone....it seems odd that he's out as late as he is. I would think if he 'sneaks'out of the bed from his wife/gf that she'd notice at some point.

newshound81

01-31-2008, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

I just posted the same thought about the male roommates, newshound81. Maybe he somehow overheard girls talking, either on the street or at party if he was there, and they mentioned it (maybe discussing sleeping arrangements), and followed them seeing they were intoxicated. LE thinks he lives (lived) nearby, so I wonder if he has anything to do with the university. I hope LE are looking at all the young professors, TAs, grad students at the UNR. [/*]

I just watched a video on KOLO about the volunteer search and had a horrible thought: what if the perp has joined in those efforts to make him look less suspicious? There have been cases like that, but I can't remember the names involved in the one that's floating around in my head. I think it had to do with a missing little girl. I'm not trying to turn everyone into a suspect, but it's plausible if this person got brazen enough to escalate in a month's time to the point of taking a girl from a home, he's brazen enough to put himself out in public to make himself seem concerned and normal.

ruby

01-31-2008, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by newshound81

I just watched a video on KOLO about the volunteer search and had a horrible thought: what if the perp has joined in those efforts to make him look less suspicious? There have been cases like that, but I can't remember the names involved in the one that's floating around in my head. I think it had to do with a missing little girl. I'm not trying to turn everyone into a suspect, but it's plausible if this person got brazen enough to escalate in a month's time to the point of taking a girl from a home, he's brazen enough to put himself out in public to make himself seem concerned and normal. [/*]

I know it's not real, but on Criminal Minds, there was a case where this guy kidnapped girls in the woods and he was the one serving food at the search (stew which ultimately contained flesh from his victims). Gag

omsk99

01-31-2008, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by ruby
I feel as though he lives alone....it seems odd that he's out as late as he is. I would think if he 'sneaks'out of the bed from his wife/gf that she'd notice at some point. [/*]

Maybe he has some job with weird hours, so it doesn't look suspicious. But if he is keeping Brianna alive, he either lives alone or has another secret place that his wife/GF doesn't know about.

omsk99

01-31-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by newshound81

I just watched a video on KOLO about the volunteer search and had a horrible thought: what if the perp has joined in those efforts to make him look less suspicious? There have been cases like that, but I can't remember the names involved in the one that's floating around in my head. I think it had to do with a missing little girl. I'm not trying to turn everyone into a suspect, but it's plausible if this person got brazen enough to escalate in a month's time to the point of taking a girl from a home, he's brazen enough to put himself out in public to make himself seem concerned and normal. [/*]

IIRC, Bobby Cutts participated in the search for Jessie Marie Davis too, and Rowan Ford's stepfather (if you can call him that), too.

ruby

01-31-2008, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

IIRC, Bobby Cutts participated in the search for Jessie Marie Davis too, and Rowan Ford's stepfather (if you can call him that), too. [/*]

Yes Bobby Cutts did for sure! Didn't Scott Peterson?

ruby

01-31-2008, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

IIRC, Bobby Cutts participated in the search for Jessie Marie Davis too, and Rowan Ford's stepfather (if you can call him that), too. [/*]
Also, to add though, they 'had' to participate so the shadow of doubt wouldn't be cast on them. The missing girl Stacy Peterson, her husband Drew, hasn't set foot outside looking for her, talk about suspicious.

butterfly28

01-31-2008, 04:17 PM

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080131/NEWS18/80131020&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

RENO (AP) — The Kansas-based church that protests at the funerals of U.S. soldiers, claiming the servicemen are dying because God hates gay people and America’s tolerance of them, has decided that God hates Reno too.

I cannot believe that this is what people will spend their time doing instead of looking for Brianna!!

Rick777

01-31-2008, 04:19 PM

It had to be a totally random thing where he tried the door and it was open. if he knew anything about the house set-up, he would have known that the couch brianna was sleeping on had a connecting wall to K.T's room. Would have been too risky.

ruby

01-31-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by butterfly28
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080131/NEWS18/80131020&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

RENO (AP) — The Kansas-based church that protests at the funerals of U.S. soldiers, claiming the servicemen are dying because God hates gay people and America’s tolerance of them, has decided that God hates Reno too.

I cannot believe that this is what people will spend their time doing instead of looking for Brianna!! [/*]

Wow talk about exploitation....:no: shame on you 'christians'

butterfly28

01-31-2008, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by ruby
Butterfly:

as per www.briannadennison.com

Brianna Search Center Opens…

The KlaasKIDS Foundation, a non-profit child advocacy organization, will open a community search center on:

Tuesday, January 29 and on…

Beginning at 9:00 AM

Location: Circus Circus Convention center

500 N. Sierra St.

Reno, NV 89503

775-785-8302

Volunteer searchers will be needed throughout the day. The last search team will be sent out around 2:30 pm. We need colunteers for foot searches as well as volunteers willing to work in the Search Center administration.

“Volunteers must be 18 years of age or older, be in good health and bring photo identification,” said Brad Dennis, KlaasKIDS Director of Search Operations. “Searchers should wear clothing that is appropriate for the current weather conditions.” [/*]

Thank you Ruby!

ruby

01-31-2008, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by butterfly28

Thank you Ruby! [/*]

If I were closer I'd love to participate! On a RENO note, I had no clue you guys got snow, I thought Nevada was all desert. Learned something new! hehe

Rick777

01-31-2008, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by ruby

Wow talk about exploitation....:no: shame on you 'christians' [/*]

hey now......I'm Christian and I don't fall off the deep end like these people. Every group has whackos.

ruby

01-31-2008, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

hey now......I'm Christian and I don't fall off the deep end like these people. Every group has whackos. [/*]

im not offending christians, im catholic....im saying shame on 'you christians' as per the article.

Rick777

01-31-2008, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by ruby

im not offending christians, im catholic....im saying shame on 'you christians' as per the article. [/*]

I'm catholic too. The secret is out......

ruby

01-31-2008, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

I'm catholic too. The secret is out...... [/*]

lol im not a practicing catholic, but i was baptized.

omsk99

01-31-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Rick777
It had to be a totally random thing where he tried the door and it was open. if he knew anything about the house set-up, he would have known that the couch brianna was sleeping on had a connecting wall to K.T's room. Would have been too risky. [/*]

Then he might have tried other houses before that, it would be way too coincidental if it was the first house he tried.

O/T, Gary Hilton is sentenced to life in prison, with a possibility of parole in 30 years for murder for Meredith Emerson. I posted some links, which give new details about how she died, they are SO sad. :(

ETA: The links I posted are on Meredith's threadd in Current Crimes.

Rick777

01-31-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by ruby

lol im not a practicing catholic, but i was baptized. [/*]

I'm a practicing Catholic. That reminds me...I hafta do my pushups and situps. You know.....practice. :)

ruby

01-31-2008, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Rick777

I'm a practicing Catholic. That reminds me...I hafta do my pushups and situps. You know.....practice. :) [/*]

lol go lift some bibles and cool off with some holy water ;) jk

ruby

01-31-2008, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Then he might have tried other houses before that, it would be way too coincidental if it was the first house he tried.

O/T, Gary Hilton is sentenced to life in prison, with a possibility of parole in 30 years for murder for Meredith Emerson. I posted some links, which give new details about how she died, they are SO sad. :(

ETA: The links I posted are on Meredith's threadd in Current Crimes. [/*]

THANKS! Going to check...brb

butterfly28

01-31-2008, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by ruby

If I were closer I'd love to participate! On a RENO note, I had no clue you guys got snow, I thought Nevada was all desert. Learned something new! hehe [/*]

Most people probably think that!! Las Vegas is mostly desert but Reno is close to Lake Tahoe which is in the mountains. So we definitely get snow but usually just in certain parts of town with higher elevations. On the valley floor we do not get a lot of snow.

It's still too cold for me here! I've been here all of my 28 years but I'm ready for a warmer climate!!!

ruby

01-31-2008, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by butterfly28

Most people probably think that!! Las Vegas is mostly desert but Reno is close to Lake Tahoe which is in the mountains. So we definitely get snow but usually just in certain parts of town with higher elevations. On the valley floor we do not get a lot of snow.

It's still too cold for me here! I've been here all of my 28 years but I'm ready for a warmer climate!!! [/*]

I know me too, love Canada but hate the winters.

Maelstrom5

01-31-2008, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by butterfly28
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080131/NEWS18/80131020&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

RENO (AP) — The Kansas-based church that protests at the funerals of U.S. soldiers, claiming the servicemen are dying because God hates gay people and America’s tolerance of them, has decided that God hates Reno too.

I cannot believe that this is what people will spend their time doing instead of looking for Brianna!! [/*]

This guy is a sick, money grubbing, glory hound. Why a single person would listen to a thing he says is beyond me.

newshound81

01-31-2008, 05:16 PM

Hey, just saw this, don't know if anyone else did..

Reno police now believe four incidents targeting young women near UNR are connected.

On November 13, a man tried to kidnap a woman walking near the school early in the morning. 33 days later, on December 16, he kidnapped and raped another student before taking her back to her home. 34 days later, on January 19, the same man is believed to have broken into the home of his victim, but she had left the area. The very next day, police say the same man broke into the home where 19-year-old Brianna Denison was sleeping and kidnapped her.

The rest can be read here:http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7781239&nav=menu113_1_2

wandering

01-31-2008, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by newshound81
Hey, just saw this, don't know if anyone else did..

Reno police now believe four incidents targeting young women near UNR are connected.

On November 13, a man tried to kidnap a woman walking near the school early in the morning. 33 days later, on December 16, he kidnapped and raped another student before taking her back to her home. 34 days later, on January 19, the same man is believed to have broken into the home of his victim, but she had left the area. The very next day, police say the same man broke into the home where 19-year-old Brianna Denison was sleeping and kidnapped her.

The rest can be read here:http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7781239&nav=menu113_1_2 [/*]Thanks for the link. I think he kidnapped Brianna because there were other people in that apt., and he couldn't do anything there without being detected.

omsk99

01-31-2008, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by newshound81
Hey, just saw this, don't know if anyone else did..

Reno police now believe four incidents targeting young women near UNR are connected.

On November 13, a man tried to kidnap a woman walking near the school early in the morning. 33 days later, on December 16, he kidnapped and raped another student before taking her back to her home. 34 days later, on January 19, the same man is believed to have broken into the home of his victim, but she had left the area. The very next day, police say the same man broke into the home where 19-year-old Brianna Denison was sleeping and kidnapped her.

The rest can be read here:http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7781239&nav=menu113_1_2 [/*]

Thank you for the link, I hadn't seen it before. So, one more woman came forward, and now it's 4... I hope more people come forward as they might have additional info on this POS.

omsk99

01-31-2008, 05:38 PM

There is so much publicity about this case, I am sure he knows he is being looked for. I hope he doesn't snap like that POS Hilton, who kept Meredith alive for three days and then murdered her probably because he somehow found out LE were after him (car radio I imagine).

Jpanda

01-31-2008, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by wandering
Thanks for the link. I think he kidnapped Brianna because there were other people in that apt., and he couldn't do anything there without being detected. [/*]

That could definitely be. I think he put her in that chokehold that he used on his other victims so she passed out right there on the couch. Then I think he carried her out...maybe to his truck, like he did his other victim. I'm just not sure why he's holding her for so long, if in fact, he is.

I wish LE could put up a billboard or something, with all the perp's info on it (the details we have so far)....I'm worried that if he has a wife or gf, she isn't aware of all that's going on. Maybe she heard about the "missing girl" but didn't pay much attention to the description of the perp. I know the billboard is a far-fetched idea - I just think about Edwin Hall and the fact that if his neighbors hadn't been paying attention to the news, who knows when he may have gotten caught? JMO

Brooke

01-31-2008, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Thank you for the link, I hadn't seen it before. So, one more woman came forward, and now it's 4... I hope more people come forward as they might have additional info on this POS. [/*]

No he tried to break into the second victims apartment the night before he took Brianna. So he tried to asault the second victim twice. Still only 3 victims.

omsk99

01-31-2008, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Brooke

No he tried to break into the second victims apartment the night before he took Brianna. So he tried to asault the second victim twice. Still only 3 victims. [/*]

But that article says 4 :shrug:

Brooke

01-31-2008, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

But that article says 4 :shrug: [/*]

4 incidents, not 4 victims :)

Rick777

01-31-2008, 06:28 PM

Go grab the biggest stuffed animal you can find right now and have someone cover your face with it. You could still breath. A smaller stuffy would have been more effective if thats what it was used for.

omsk99

01-31-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by Brooke

4 incidents, not 4 victims :) [/*]

Yes, I see now, thanks, I misunderstood. I can't believe she told him where she lived... Could have said take me there and walk into some apartment building, unless he insisted on going with her.

omsk99

01-31-2008, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by Rick777
Go grab the biggest stuffed animal you can find right now and have someone cover your face with it. You could still breath. A smaller stuffy would have been more effective if thats what it was used for. [/*]

But if the bear was very big, and he put a lot of pressure, it would have covered her entire face. It's possible she fainted.

bred

01-31-2008, 06:51 PM

Because that choke-hold had worked on the 2nd victim, I do agree that that is probably what he did. Something he did produced the blood, though. Such force she got a nose-bleed?

Could his DNA have been lifted from the leather couch?

wandering

01-31-2008, 07:10 PM

omsk99

01-31-2008, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by bred
Because that choke-hold had worked on the 2nd victim, I do agree that that is probably what he did. Something he did produced the blood, though. Such force she got a nose-bleed?

Could his DNA have been lifted from the leather couch? [/*]

Per this article, LE think she was suffocated with a pillow and restrained with it:

Authorities Continue Search for Missing Student

"Authorities are looking into possible connections between the disappearance of Santa Barbara City College student Brianna Denison from a Reno home and other crimes committed in that area. They are still looking for a white man in his mid-30s believed to have information about her disappearance. Also, blood found on Denison's pillow may indicate that she was restrained or suffocated with the pillow, police said. Anyone with information should call (775) 745-3521."

http://www.independent.com/news/2008/jan/31/authorities-continue-search-missing-student/

bred

01-31-2008, 07:16 PM

Holladay said something about "oily" when he hinted at how the DNA was lifted. Can someone refresh my memory? That's why I thought the couch, maybe.

omsk99

01-31-2008, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by bred
Holladay said something about "oily" when he hinted at how the DNA was lifted. Can someone refresh my memory? That's why I thought the couch, maybe. [/*]

Sorry, who is Holladay? I never heard of that, what was "oily"?

ruby

01-31-2008, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

Sorry, who is Holladay? I never heard of that, what was "oily"? [/*]

I wonder what would be 'oily'....

omsk99

01-31-2008, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by ruby

I wonder what would be 'oily'.... [/*]

I don't know, I never heard of it :shrug:

bred

01-31-2008, 08:15 PM

Holladay is one of the main LE guys. The "oily"...I'll go hunt for awhile...but I'm not very good at it...could take awhile. I thought I read it here.

ruby

01-31-2008, 08:18 PM

Someone make me get off of here and go workout! :D

ruby

01-31-2008, 08:19 PM

sorry posted twice

ruby

01-31-2008, 08:20 PM

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=52576

Some interesting details I haven't seen yet regarding previous attack victim:

A source close to the investigation tells AMW that the assailant told the victim, a foreign student from Taiwan, that, "If you tell the police, I will kill you." Authorities say the 22-year-old was abducted outside her home on Dec. 16 when an unknown assailant grabbed her after she parked her car on the 1400 block of Terrace Drive.

According to police, the assailant grabbed the female from behind, forced her to the ground and attempted to choke her with her right arm. He then placed his right hand over her nose and mouth which caused her to pass out. When she began to regain consciousness, the suspect forced her into the front passenger seat. The suspect drove to a location 3 to 4 minutes away where he forced her to perform sexual acts. After the attack, he drove her back to her residence where he dumped her off and threatened "he might be back."

wandering

01-31-2008, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by bred
Holladay said something about "oily" when he hinted at how the DNA was lifted. Can someone refresh my memory? That's why I thought the couch, maybe. [/*]Oh, that's interesting. I have a leather sofa just like that one. I use a special cleaner, and an oil treatment, but when I'm done it's not oily. That wouldn't be good for people to sit on. Ruin their clothes.

Possible they had to treat the leather with an oily substance to get the DNA cells, I suppose. :confused:

omsk99

01-31-2008, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by ruby
Someone make me get off of here and go workout! :D [/*]

And me go take my puppy out!!

wandering

01-31-2008, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

And me go take my puppy out!! [/*]That's eminent and imperative! GO! :biggrin:

ruby

01-31-2008, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by omsk99

And me go take my puppy out!! [/*]

Go! Now! lol....

butterfly28

01-31-2008, 08:50 PM

I just called the search line set up for Brianna to get information about seaches this weekend. I asked about searching Sunday and was told yes they are planning searches on both days this weekend unless "something happens". I asked if it that was based on how the weather will be and she said "no, if something breaks loose tomorrow we will cancel the searches for Sunday".

Is this a normal thing to say? It sounded off to me but then again I have never done this....

omsk99

01-31-2008, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by ruby
http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=52576

Some interesting details I haven't seen yet regarding previous attack victim:

A source close to the investigation tells AMW that the assailant told the victim, a foreign student from Taiwan, that, "If you tell the police, I will kill you." Authorities say the 22-year-old was abducted outside her home on Dec. 16 when an unknown assailant grabbed her after she parked her car on the 1400 block of Terrace Drive.

According to police, the assailant grabbed the female from behind, forced her to the ground and attempted to choke her with her right arm. He then placed his right hand over her nose and mouth which caused her to pass out. When she began to regain consciousness, the suspect forced her into the front passenger seat. The suspect drove to a location 3 to 4 minutes away where he forced her to perform sexual acts. After the attack, he drove her back to her residence where he dumped her off and threatened "he might be back." [/*]

Thanks so much for this link, it has so many new details we haven't heard before. One of the things that caught my eye:

"Cops say that the glass-paned front door of the residence was unlocked and other residents say that the door -- just a foot away from where Brianna was sleeping -- may have been left slightly open. "

That might explain why he picked that house in particular, because he saw that the door was ajar. Maybe that's when he saw Brianna, that would explain why he came in.