Brianna Denison, 19, UNR, Reno, 1/20/08[BODY FOUND]

[Belle Starr]

Originally posted by omsk99


I know, the only thing I can think of is that it had some evidence of the per, maybe she bit him as he covered her moth and he bled... [/*]

That is what I keep coming up with. Person might have put bear over her face as to smother or keep her from screaming. Her saliva,muscos, blood was on the bear. She might have bite him and got his blood on the bear, so he took it with them.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Belle Starr


That is what I keep coming up with. Person might have put bear over her face as to smother or keep her from screaming. Her saliva,muscos, blood was on the bear. She might have bite him and got his blood on the bear, so he took it with them. [/*]

OMG, just noticed how many typos I had in that post! :o

[Maelstrom5]

Posted on KOLO's Blog about Brianna.

Posted by: dave Location: new york
This is very sad and as a seasoned detective in the NYPD, will not have a happy ending. By the reports I have read, it appears her assailant subdued her where she slept by pressing her face and mouth into the pillow causing the mouth/nose to bleed and leaving behind the mixture of blood,saliva and mucus on the pillow. She then was either unconcious or restrained and bound without making significant enough noise to awaken her friends or their dog. Sometimes perps like this take "souveniers" from the victim which might explain the missing stuffed animal. In rare cases the perp will let his victim go after using them for a period of time but I can count those on one hand. I pray that she is one of the very lucky but 25 years in this leaves me with little hope. Maybe our young women can learn something from this horrible tragedy, our society has predators that are watching for opportunities. They are no less skilled than are professional hunters. You have got to be cautious at all times.

Posted by: Erin Location: Reno
There are people leaving such negative comments here. This is not the place for that. We need hopes and prayers and information. None of this, "she was this" "her friend did that" To point fingers now is mean and useless. Brianna is a victim and we should pray for her safe return. Write your negativity elsewhere! To put blame on someone else is just a way of thinking it can't happen to you.

[dkny]

Originally posted by Nellie
I don't even "get" why the teddy bear was used anyway! They gave her a pillow....why wasn't that enough? Why the bear too??? :confused: [/*]

prop her head in case she throws up ? JMO

[omsk99]

Originally posted by dkny


prop her head in case she throws up ? JMO [/*]

They said the pillow was too thin.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Posted on KOLO's Blog about Brianna.

Posted by: dave Location: new york
This is very sad and as a seasoned detective in the NYPD, will not have a happy ending. By the reports I have read, it appears her assailant subdued her where she slept by pressing her face and mouth into the pillow causing the mouth/nose to bleed and leaving behind the mixture of blood,saliva and mucus on the pillow. She then was either unconcious or restrained and bound without making significant enough noise to awaken her friends or their dog. Sometimes perps like this take "souveniers" from the victim which might explain the missing stuffed animal. In rare cases the perp will let his victim go after using them for a period of time but I can count those on one hand. I pray that she is one of the very lucky but 25 years in this leaves me with little hope. Maybe our young women can learn something from this horrible tragedy, our society has predators that are watching for opportunities. They are no less skilled than are professional hunters. You have got to be cautious at all times.

Posted by: Erin Location: Reno
There are people leaving such negative comments here. This is not the place for that. We need hopes and prayers and information. None of this, "she was this" "her friend did that" To point fingers now is mean and useless. Brianna is a victim and we should pray for her safe return. Write your negativity elsewhere! To put blame on someone else is just a way of thinking it can't happen to you. [/*]

While I agree with Erin that we should have hopes, I do think the blogs and forums are for discussions and theories.

[dkny]

Originally posted by omsk99


They said the pillow was too thin. [/*]

I was referring to the teddy bear being used to prop her head. JMO

[omsk99]

Originally posted by dkny


I was referring to the teddy bear being used to prop her head. JMO [/*]

That's what I mean, they gave her the teddy bear as support for the pillow, because the pillow was too thin to sleep on.

[bred]

I believe KT's reason for the bear, but can't see why it was taken. Picture the intruder carrying Brianna and also trying to manage a 2 ft. bear.

I think the blanket was in the kitchen because he used that back door as an exit and couldn't handle all 3 together.

Does anyone have a picture of the rear of the house?

[kimmypie1]

I attented this exact event some 10-11 years ago when SWAT was just starting out. I am sure it is much bigger than it was back then, but even then, the main purpose was to party. Get as drunk and wild as you can. Think spring break, but wintertime. Kids from all over the country are in town, piled into hotels.

Judging from pictures I have seen of Brianna and her friends KT/JD, they are certainly drinkers, heck most college students are. So it is extremely doubtful in my opinion that these girls were sober after attending one of the SWAT parties (at 4am no less).

Now, why would they hide the fact that they were drinking? One guess is that JD was more than likely on probation from her July arrest. She probably is also in possession of a fake id, as the other girls probably are as well. Both of those together with her arrest record and the fact that she is a Criminal Justice major would be reason enough to be fearful of reporting the drinking and or drugging.

Now this does not mean they know more about Brianna's death, but it doesn't help them look any more credible. Considering the fact that both cars were left at the parties, yet three SOBER girls had to get a ride home.

[omsk99]

I've only seen front of the house pictures, sorry.

This includes a video of the vigil, so sad :(

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/14224872.html

:rose:

[Maelstrom5]

A few more posts on KOLO that I found interesting;

Posted by: cory Location: Omaha, NE
Here is a post from Facebook on the FIND BRI Wall, if anyone out there finds this helpful: Jason Dorfman (Santa Barbara City) wrote at 6:14pm yesterday ATTENTION!: I was with Bri Saturday night right before she went missing. The last time i saw her was around 3am when she came with a guy to my hotel room at the sands to pick up her sweater that she left in my room earlier in the night. We did not think anything of it at the time and he did not say a word to us. He was about 5'7, white, with longish brown hair. I assumed it was one of her friends from reno and they did not appear romantically involved with each other. I spoke with the police already so hopefully they can find them walking out on the casino cameras. She went missing at 4 so it may be possible that this guy came into K.T's with her, or came back shortly after. If anyone can fill in the missing pieces contact the police! What do you guys think?

Posted by: cory Location: Omaha, NE
Here is another posting from the Facebook FIND BRI Wall. I hope it is helpful: Hannah Gordon (Los Angeles, CA) wrote at 10:59am im so sorry. my prayers are with you and your family. i attended swat also and gave the security info that i knew. there were ALOT OF shady people on that trip. my best girlfriend got slipped somehting into her drink and went missing from the too short concert. but was thankfully found the next day. if this group neeeds ANYTHING let me know. SOMEONE please bring bri home safely.

[CanCan]

If it weren't for the blood on the pillow, I might guess that maybe Brianna never even made it back to the townhouse that night......the sniffer dog didn't pick up her scent according to MF. JMO

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by kimmypie1
I attented this exact event some 10-11 years ago when SWAT was just starting out. I am sure it is much bigger than it was back then, but even then, the main purpose was to party. Get as drunk and wild as you can. Think spring break, but wintertime. Kids from all over the country are in town, piled into hotels.

Judging from pictures I have seen of Brianna and her friends KT/JD, they are certainly drinkers, heck most college students are. So it is extremely doubtful in my opinion that these girls were sober after attending one of the SWAT parties (at 4am no less).

Now, why would they hide the fact that they were drinking? One guess is that JD was more than likely on probation from her July arrest. She probably is also in possession of a fake id, as the other girls probably are as well. Both of those together with her arrest record and the fact that she is a Criminal Justice major would be reason enough to be fearful of reporting the drinking and or drugging.

Now this does not mean they know more about Brianna's death, but it doesn't help them look any more credible. Considering the fact that both cars were left at the parties, yet three SOBER girls had to get a ride home. [/*]

Great post - ITA! Thanks for the insight on that event. Those are the exact reasons I think they are hiding the fact that they were drinking too. JMO

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Jpanda


Great post - ITA! Thanks for the insight on that event. Those are the exact reasons I think they are hiding the fact that they were drinking too. JMO [/*]

Might be afraid of their parents too, they are underage.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by CanCan
If it weren't for the blood on the pillow, I might guess that maybe Brianna never even made it back to the townhouse that night......the sniffer dog didn't pick up her scent according to MF. JMO [/*]

There is a witness, Ian, who brought them both home, so we know she was there.

[bred]

M5...the Jason comment was the one I spoke of yesterday. I believe him, but certainly KT would have known about this guy with Brianna and we would probably have learned about him through the news.

The second comment is very interesting. Bri could have been slipped something...and then how/what happened?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
A few more posts on KOLO that I found interesting;

Posted by: cory Location: Omaha, NE
Here is a post from Facebook on the FIND BRI Wall, if anyone out there finds this helpful: Jason Dorfman (Santa Barbara City) wrote at 6:14pm yesterday ATTENTION!: I was with Bri Saturday night right before she went missing. The last time i saw her was around 3am when she came with a guy to my hotel room at the sands to pick up her sweater that she left in my room earlier in the night. We did not think anything of it at the time and he did not say a word to us. He was about 5'7, white, with longish brown hair. I assumed it was one of her friends from reno and they did not appear romantically involved with each other. I spoke with the police already so hopefully they can find them walking out on the casino cameras. She went missing at 4 so it may be possible that this guy came into K.T's with her, or came back shortly after. If anyone can fill in the missing pieces contact the police! What do you guys think?

Posted by: cory Location: Omaha, NE
Here is another posting from the Facebook FIND BRI Wall. I hope it is helpful: Hannah Gordon (Los Angeles, CA) wrote at 10:59am im so sorry. my prayers are with you and your family. i attended swat also and gave the security info that i knew. there were ALOT OF shady people on that trip. my best girlfriend got slipped somehting into her drink and went missing from the too short concert. but was thankfully found the next day. if this group neeeds ANYTHING let me know. SOMEONE please bring bri home safely. [/*]

In "response" to the first post, shouldn't it be known if the guy went home with them, since their friend who drove them home would know that? Unless, that other guy secretly followed them :confused:

[kimmypie1]

As I had said before, there are kids from all over in town for this weekend. There is a possibilty that if someone did something to her, that this person is long gone and back in their own city/state by now. Kids travel in caravans and take tour buses to get there. Maybe Brianna was put in one of these cars, hopefully alive.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by kimmypie1
As I had said before, there are kids from all over in town for this weekend. There is a possibilty that if someone did something to her, that this person is long gone and back in their own city/state by now. Kids travel in caravans and take tour buses to get there. Maybe Brianna was put in one of these cars, hopefully alive. [/*]

Good point.

[Rick777]

I keep going back to that dream that Brian Ladd had....saying she is being kept in a house near the airport. He felt she was alive. I know that his dream and drawings were forwarded to the LE, so who knows........maybe....we re due for a happy ending..:(

[Maelstrom5]

omsk99 & bred

It sounds to me like the guy whose room she left her sweater in is a college friend. The guy who he is talking about could be Ian, But LE needs to find that out.

If ruffies were being slipped into drinks at this party both KT and Brianna may have been given one. Could someone have followed them home, waited for Ian to drive away, and the lights went out, then made his move? I don't think we can rule it out.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rick777
I keep going back to that dream that Brian Ladd had....saying she is being kept in a house near the airport. He felt she was alive. I know that his dream and drawings were forwarded to the LE, so who knows........maybe....we re due for a happy ending..:( [/*]

I, too, hope for a happy ending, but sadly do not believe in dreams like that :(

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
omsk99 & bred

It sounds to me like the guy whose room she left her sweater in is a college friend. The guy who he is talking about could be Ian, But LE needs to find that out.

If ruffies were being slipped into drinks at this party both KT and Brianna may have been given one. Could someone have followed them home, waited for Ian to drive away, and the lights went out, then made his move? I don't think we can rule it out. [/*]

No, I think it's a very good possibility. But I am still baffled as to why there were no race tracks? Wouldn't there be at least Ian's tracks? Unless they mean besides that.

[bred]

Was there enough snow that footprints and tracks would have shown?

I have to go out for awhile. Hope you're all still around later!

[omsk99]

Originally posted by bred
Was there enough snow that footprints and tracks would have shown?

I have to go out for awhile. Hope you're all still around later! [/*]

From the pictures of the house, it seems that yes, but those pictures weren't taken that night but later :seeya:

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by omsk99


No, I think it's a very good possibility. But I am still baffled as to why there were no race tracks? Wouldn't there be at least Ian's tracks? Unless they mean besides that. [/*]

I don't think it for lack of tire tracks, it just the opposite, too many.

Because this was a house that by their own admission any number of people went in and out of it was probably a mess of tracks in snow or dirt. figuring out which ones, if any, are important will take a very long time. Besides if the perp has any sense he parked on the road were picking out his tracks from hundreds of others would be impossible.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


I don't think it for lack of tire tracks, it just the opposite, too many.

Because this was a house that by there own admission any number of people went in and out of it was probably a mess of tracks in snow or dirt. figuring out which ones, if any, are important will take a very long time. Besides if the perp has any sense he parked on the road were picking out his tracks from hundreds of others would be impossible. [/*]

But wouldn't it be dangerous, even at 4-5 am., to carry her to the car?

[CanCan]

Originally posted by omsk99


There is a witness, Ian, who brought them both home, so we know she was there. [/*]

Maybe he lied??? JMO.......

[wandering]

Originally posted by Nellie
I don't even "get" why the teddy bear was used anyway! They gave her a pillow....why wasn't that enough? Why the bear too??? :confused: [/*]She was texting, she didn't want to lay down to do that. :shrug:

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by omsk99


But wouldn't it be dangerous, even at 4-5 am., to carry her to the car? [/*]

Sure it could be, but how many threads are there on this board in which someone just vanishes and no one knows what happened to them. Sometimes in the middle of the day.

Maura Murray was seen by her car by at least 4 people.. five minutes later she was gone. No one knows what happened to her, and no one saw her leave.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by CanCan


Maybe he lied??? JMO....... [/*]

Then K.T. would know, I can't imagine them both still lying...

ETA: Plus, her clothes are at home

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Sure it could be, but how many threads are there on this board in which someone just vanishes and no one knows what happened to them. Sometimes in the middle of the day.

Maura Murray was seen by her car by at least 4 people.. five minutes later she was gone. No one knows what happened to her, and no one saw her leave. [/*]

Unfortunately, that is so true. Look at Meredith Emerson, during t0he day, in a park full of people...

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by omsk99


Unfortunately, that is so true. Look at Meredith Emerson, during t0he day, in a park full of people... [/*]

Yes it is. Most people don't fully realize the scope of the problem.

Each day I wish the people on my MySpace friends list whose birthday it is a happy birthday. I use a gif and sign it, "Hope you have a extra special day."

At least 5 times a week I can't leave that message on one of my friends pages, because they are missing.

Instead I let their parents and friends know that they are in my prayers. Today it was; Nancy L. Kirkpatrick Missing since April 23, 1976 from Columbia Falls, Montana

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Yes it is. Most people don't fully realize the scope of the problem.

Each day I wish the people on my MySpace friends list whose birthday it is a happy birthday. I use a gif and sign it, "Hope you have a extra special day."

At least 5 times a week I can't leave that message on one of my friends pages, because they are missing.

Instead I let there parents and friends know that they are in my prayers. Today it was; Nancy L. Kirkpatrick Missing since April 23, 1976 from Columbia Falls, Montana [/*]

Thank you for doing that, I am sure it is greatly appreciated.

:rose:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by omsk99


Well, who wants to admit they were drunk? ;) [/*]

Well they seem pretty proud of it on their myspaces! :D

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Nellie


Well they seem pretty proud of it on their myspaces! :D [/*]

True that! :beer:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by CanCan
If it weren't for the blood on the pillow, I might guess that maybe Brianna never even made it back to the townhouse that night......the sniffer dog didn't pick up her scent according to MF. JMO [/*]

First of all, we don't even know if it's her blood.

Secondly, the pillow is at the house....but that doesn't prove that Brianna was there. A pillow can easily be moved from one house to another. Not saying it was.....just showing that sometimes things aren't as them "seem".

[Nellie]

Originally posted by kimmypie1
I attented this exact event some 10-11 years ago when SWAT was just starting out. I am sure it is much bigger than it was back then, but even then, the main purpose was to party. Get as drunk and wild as you can. Think spring break, but wintertime. Kids from all over the country are in town, piled into hotels.

Judging from pictures I have seen of Brianna and her friends KT/JD, they are certainly drinkers, heck most college students are. So it is extremely doubtful in my opinion that these girls were sober after attending one of the SWAT parties (at 4am no less).

Now, why would they hide the fact that they were drinking? One guess is that JD was more than likely on probation from her July arrest. She probably is also in possession of a fake id, as the other girls probably are as well. Both of those together with her arrest record and the fact that she is a Criminal Justice major would be reason enough to be fearful of reporting the drinking and or drugging.

Now this does not mean they know more about Brianna's death, but it doesn't help them look any more credible. Considering the fact that both cars were left at the parties, yet three SOBER girls had to get a ride home. [/*]

Yes I can "buy" that reason for lying. I hope it's just the drinking they're lying about. I do think Jessica's legal problems enter into the way the girls are acting. So, yes, I do see why they'd downplay the drinking....they were all underage with fake IDs!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I just keep thinking about when I was underage and how getting caught by your parents was the worst thing in the world....maybe that's why they are lying about the drinking (if in fact they are). Maybe they don't feel it's relevant to Brianna being gone, so why confess that part and get themselves in trouble? My parents were really strict with me growing up and I honestly thought they would disown me if they knew some of the things I was up to. (Nothing really bad, I swear! ;) )

Maybe they just don't see the point in confessing that part....JMO [/*]

These girls are major partyers/drinkers. If these parents are that clueless they need to start educating themselves or get their heads out of the sand!

[debkay]

Does anyone have a link to the my space of the friends?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by LostinSpace
Am I the only that finds it odd that KT was out until 3 or 4 partying yet was up fixing breakfast @ 9:30? I understand Jessica had to go to work, but why was KT up so early?

:shrug: [/*]

One report I read even said that Brianna and KT had breakfast before they went home. I don't know if it was mis-posting or what. An early report also said that Jessica went out to flag down a cab and took a ride from the stranger. It's interesting to go back to first reports and see what changes.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by debkay
Does anyone have a link to the my space of the friends? [/*]

KT's is on private.
I posted Jessica's in a post above or on an earlier page.
I also posted the one for the girl who got drunk and got married.....I believe it to be true.
And here is the myspace for the kid who wrote on facebook

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=3276391

I truly get frustrated with kids thinking life is just one big party and all......this partying gets my blood boiling. And any parent who doesn't realize their kid is doing it, are not wanting to face it because they don't know how to stop them!

And then we have a tragedy..... but sadly, it won't stop the partying.

[debkay]

Originally posted by Nellie


KT's is on private.
I posted Jessica's in a post above or on an earlier page.
I also posted the one for the girl who got drunk and got married.....I believe it to be true.
And here is the myspace for the kid who wrote on facebook

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=3276391

I truly get frustrated with kids thinking life is just one big party and all......this partying gets my blood boiling. And any parent who doesn't realize their kid is doing it, are not wanting to face it because they don't know how to stop them!

And then we have a tragedy..... but sadly, it won't stop the partying. [/*]

I so agree with you about the partying. They dont know the risk they take! It is scary!

[Amy S.]

I check all of my relatives kid's MySpaces. My daughter's was public until she turned 19. I did hack it recently and check her photos.

But, a lot of kids put outrageous info on there that the parents could check easy enough.

I have one great niece that has written that she finds suicide funny.

I turned it over to someone that is closer to her mother than I am and he didn't do anything. He said he has never been on Myspace. SO, I checked his kid's name and there it was - a 12 yr. old listed as being 14.

But, my husband would never check on the kids either. I do and they know it.

[Nellie]

It's puzzing to me that it seems all of Brianna's circle of friends are on myspace and ACTIVE on it but yet I can't find one for Brianna. Surely she has/had one. It makes me wonder if it was removed.

[sunstar]

Hi everyone :seeya: I'm having some problems with Brianna's "disappearance" ~ like the missing 2' teddy bear. Some have said it was removed because blood was on it. OK, how would the perp know blood was on it if it was dark inside the house? And why would the perp presumably carry Brianna out of the house with the teddy bear? And why would KT say that the front door was left unlocked "because people come and go" from the house ~ WHAT people??? Leave the door unlocked so criminals can come in and abduct your friends while your bedroom door is locked? I'd like to know what really happened since I don't believe this friend's story!

[bred]

Nothing I've read gives a logical explanation of the bear being taken.

If you think of KT's house as a hotel, it will make sense. The small livingroom and kitchen was a "common" area, available to all 4 renters. Each had their own bedroom which they locked. Because they came in at various hours, they didn't lock the front door. Very sensible to them, very irresponsible to most posters. Gosh, all they had to do was buy a $40 keyless entry pad!

Does anyone remember what time the 911 call went in?

[wasapi]

Originally posted by sunstar
(snip) And why would KT say that the front door was left unlocked "because people come and go" from the house ~ WHAT people??? Leave the door unlocked so criminals can come in and abduct your friends while your bedroom door is locked? I'd like to know what really happened since I don't believe this friend's story! [/*]

Sunstar, (I love your nickname!), I tend to believe that they did indeed leave the door unlocked so they could all come and go. At their age crime happens to other people. I remember being that young - though it was a long time ago! - and feeling a type of invulnerability.

[bred]

Hey wasapi...we must be around the same age!

[JudasPriest]

I've heard one of the girls on an interview say that Brianna was only wearing a wife beater or a thin shirt... I don't know about you guys but I'm almost 200 lbs, and there's no way I can go to bed in that kind of weather with just a thin shirt on, and just one blanket.... even if I have the heater on full blast... specially by the door, and on a leather couch. And does the house have hardwood floors? hmmm

I doubt these college kids can afford to have the heater on full blast all night through the winter... and I doublt that they remember to turn on the heater but forgot to lock the door?

The only reason someone only wears a think shirt to bed in that kind of weather is if they are burning up. A nd yes MAYBE a thin girl her age can feel comfortable sleeping in freezing weather in only a wife beater, but is that really the norm?

Police should look into whether or not the heater usually remained on everynight.

[Brooke]

Originally posted by JudasPriest
I've heard one of the girls on an interview say that Brianna was only wearing a wife beater or a thin shirt... I don't know about you guys but I'm almost 200 lbs, and there's no way I can go to bed in that kind of weather with just a thin shirt on, and just one blanket.... even if I have the heater on full blast... specially by the door, and on a leather couch. And does the house have hardwood floors? hmmm

I doubt these college kids can afford to have the heater on full blast all night through the winter... and I doublt that they remember to turn on the heater but forgot to lock the door?

The only reason someone only wears a think shirt to bed in that kind of weather is if they are burning up. A nd yes MAYBE a thin girl her age can feel comfortable sleeping in freezing weather in only a wife beater, but is that really the norm?

Police should look into whether or not the heater usually remained on everynight. [/*]


IIRC the house was used sorta like a sorority house and the girls came and went at all hours of the day and night so the door was left unlocked all the time.

I always wear tank tops to bed. It has been down in the 20's here recently.

What strikes me as odd is the LE said on an interview that the couch Brianna supposedly went to sleep on is visible from the passerbys on the street. The door was glass and had no curtains on it. From the photos they showed on FNC last night the couch looked to be a couple feet from the glass door. What female would go to sleep on a couch where she would be clearly visible through the windows, especially when its dark outside....

[JudasPriest]

Why did her friends lie about not drinking while 2 cars were left behind? Why are these girls lying through their ***? To protect their reputations? Trouble with the law? Your freakin' friend is missing, maybe lying on a ditch somewhere and you can't come out clean and be 100% honest? What kind of a friend are you? If my friend was kidnaped I wouldn't care if they locked me up for a misdemeanor, I would be 100 percent truthful with everhyone.

People NEED to start stepping up. HER PARENTS need to show their faces on national TV. RENO needs to wake up and each and every person residing there needs to look around their area for clues... at least the ones reading this. These are our children, our sisters, and FRIENDS that go missing. If you don't step up... what does that say about you as a human being?

This brings up terrible memories of another Nevada case that went unsolved because Vegas PD were too lackluster to solve it... and cared more about their city's reputation and want it to be hush hush. I hope Reno PD go hard hitting for answers and not just interviewing lowlifes that reside around her area.

SOMEONE NEEDS TO STEP IT UP.

[wandering]

Originally posted by JudasPriest
I've heard one of the girls on an interview say that Brianna was only wearing a wife beater or a thin shirt... I don't know about you guys but I'm almost 200 lbs, and there's no way I can go to bed in that kind of weather with just a thin shirt on, and just one blanket.... even if I have the heater on full blast... specially by the door, and on a leather couch. And does the house have hardwood floors? hmmm

I doubt these college kids can afford to have the heater on full blast all night through the winter... and I doublt that they remember to turn on the heater but forgot to lock the door?

The only reason someone only wears a think shirt to bed in that kind of weather is if they are burning up. A nd yes MAYBE a thin girl her age can feel comfortable sleeping in freezing weather in only a wife beater, but is that really the norm?

Police should look into whether or not the heater usually remained on everynight. [/*]She was texting until at least 4:20 something. I don't think kids have a bedtime when they're together partying. I think they fall asleep whenever they feel the need in a situation like that. I think she was wandering around with the blanket wrapped around her, and not "in bed" yet.

[carterkatt]

Originally posted by JudasPriest
I've heard one of the girls on an interview say that Brianna was only wearing a wife beater or a thin shirt... I don't know about you guys but I'm almost 200 lbs, and there's no way I can go to bed in that kind of weather with just a thin shirt on, and just one blanket.... even if I have the heater on full blast... specially by the door, and on a leather couch. And does the house have hardwood floors? hmmm

I doubt these college kids can afford to have the heater on full blast all night through the winter... and I doublt that they remember to turn on the heater but forgot to lock the door?

The only reason someone only wears a think shirt to bed in that kind of weather is if they are burning up. A nd yes MAYBE a thin girl her age can feel comfortable sleeping in freezing weather in only a wife beater, but is that really the norm?

Police should look into whether or not the heater usually remained on everynight. [/*]

This is doubtful, but maybe this house is one of those rentals that the heat/electric is part of the rent. Kids would not try to be frugal with the heat if they didn't actually "pay" an electric bill. Maybe the rent is high enough that the landlord pays the electricity out of the rent? Maybe that's easier than assuming the kids will split the electric bill 4 ways and get it paid - knowing some may be more frugal with electricity than others???

[Nellie]

Originally posted by carterkatt


This is doubtful, but maybe this house is one of those rentals that the heat/electric is part of the rent. Kids would not try to be frugal with the heat if they didn't actually "pay" an electric bill. Maybe the rent is high enough that the landlord pays the electricity out of the rent? Maybe that's easier than assuming the kids will split the electric bill 4 ways and get it paid - knowing some may be more frugal with electricity than others??? [/*]

Maybe they weren't frugal at all! Maybe mommy and daddy pays the bills!

I forget....what does the electric bill have to do with her dissappearance? LOL!....I forget.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by JudasPriest
I've heard one of the girls on an interview say that Brianna was only wearing a wife beater or a thin shirt... [/*]

Okay, I'm behind in times. what's a wife beater?

[barefoot]

Okay, I'm behind in times. what's a wife beater?
A white men's undershirt, the sleeveless type.

I'm surprised they haven't found Brianna or the stuffed bear yet. You would think there would be more of a lead or some clues by this point in the case.

[bred]

They probably need to LOOK FOR HER in order to find her. I know, they walked into the wooded area across from the house AND they had some dogs sniffing around(twice!). Don't know exactly what no searches tells us.

[Maelstrom5]

Bred,

They have also looked in abandoned houses and storm drains.

I think the police checked any place they felt she might have traveled to on foot, or been taken on foot. This search turned up nothing.

So without a clue as to where she may be, where do you search?

They have asked all of Reno, Nevada to be on the lookout for anything, but as of the moment no information has come in to point them in one direction.

[bred]

Well, she wouldn't have gone far barefoot or being carried...but I get your point. I'm recalling other large searches, one I even had planned to join, and wishing the same for Brianna.

I'm sure you read the post somewhere in which it was pointed out that people come from all over to SWAT and then go home. Perp and Brianna could be long gone. I find that scary...so simple.

[ReedJ]

Does anyone know if she was the type of girl that sometimes gets a real attitude and if she had lipped off some guy who maybe followed her home and got some revenge? I remember that Imette St. Guillen case when it came out that she had lipped of the guy that ultimately killed her , sometimes when people drink they can write checks with their mouths that their butt can't cash and it seems plausible that she could've been in this category. I know that usually the " victim" tends to only get good things said about them so it's hard to find out what really happened to them but I wonder if perhaps a friend who maybe overheard something may be willing to tell police etc. imo

[butterfly28]

"Police with search dogs have canvassed the neighborhood daily since then. They expanded the effort Thursday to nearby foothills of the Sierra where they’d not looked before and encouraged local residents at the evening forum to continue to come forward with any information that might help find her."


http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880125009

So they also expanded the search into the foothills. It is a very large area open area where people have been found before.

We have an excellent police department in Reno (especially the detectives) and I have faith they are doing all they can to find Brianna. They are relentless and will not give up until they have answers.

The city is doing a good job of spreading the word as many businesses have her flyer on their window and everyone I have talked to about this has heard about her.

I just wish there was more information (like we all do).

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by ReedJ
Does anyone know if she was the type of girl that sometimes gets a real attitude and if she had lipped off some guy who maybe followed her home and got some revenge? I remember that Imette St. Guillen case when it came out that she had lipped of the guy that ultimately killed her , sometimes when people drink they can write checks with their mouths that their butt can't cash and it seems plausible that she could've been in this category. I know that usually the " victim" tends to only get good things said about them so it's hard to find out what really happened to them but I wonder if perhaps a friend who maybe overheard something may be willing to tell police etc. imo [/*]

The two girls have said that no arguments of confrontations took place. But as we all agree there was a lot of drinking going on, it may be they simply don't remember, or were not with Brianna when it happened.

We also should consider the fact that something non-confrontational in their minds, like turning down someone who hit on them, may well have triggered some guy to act.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


The two girls have said that no arguments of confrontations took place. But as we all agree there was a lot of drinking going on, it may be they simply don't remember, or were not with Brianna when it happened.

We also should consider the fact that something non-confrontational in their minds, like turning down someone who hit on them, may well have triggered some guy to act. [/*]

Well realistically they may say it was some thing " non confrontational" to make themselves or their friend look better in the media. imo

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by RachelRose


That's what I'm thinking too. It's much more likely that she may have turned down someone who was hitting on her, than that she got into some kind of barroom fight with a man she doesn't know and he came after her to kill her for it. I can't picture a young woman getting into a confrontational fight with some guy she just met - but I can see some horny guy coming on to her and her backing away. [/*]

Not a bar room fight but more like that real snappy attitude is what I meant. JMO

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by ReedJ


Not a bar room fight but more like that real snappy attitude is what I meant. JMO [/*]

I understand what you are getting at. If one of the women said "FU" or "Please why would I go with a loser like you" it could trigger something.

Most men I know fall into two categories. One type would be crushed and go back to their seat and down a few beers. The other would move down the bar and try the same line on a new girl. There are a few though that don't fit that category we have a name for them.. sociopaths

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


I understand what you are getting at. If one of the women said "FU" or "Please why would I go with a loser like you" it could trigger something.

Most men I know fall into two categories. One type would be crushed and go back to their seat and down a few beers. The other would move down the bar and try the same line on a new girl. There are a few though that don't fit that category we have a name for them.. sociopaths [/*]

I don't know about that, I think that term is over used. JMO

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by ReedJ


I don't know about that, I think that term is over used. JMO [/*]

Well, we are talking about a hypothetical man who would brake into a house, take a woman against her will and hold her captive for a week or kill her and dump her body some place were she can't be found. What would you call him?.. Misunderstood.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Well, we are talking about a hypothetical man who would brake into a house, take a woman against her will and hold her captive for a week or kill her and dump her body some place were she can't be found. What would you call him?.. Misunderstood. [/*]

Hypothtically speaking, perhaps just angered by her attitude. I doubt she is still being held captive though, I think with the media attention it would be more likely he has gotten rid of the body by now during nightfall. jmo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by wasapi


Sunstar, (I love your nickname!), I tend to believe that they did indeed leave the door unlocked so they could all come and go. At their age crime happens to other people. I remember being that young - though it was a long time ago! - and feeling a type of invulnerability. [/*]
Hi wasapi! I think we all did irresponsible things when we were that age, but it was also a little safer then too, imo. :) It just seems hard to understand when there were 2 other recent assaults just a few blocks away.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Brooke

<respectfully snipped>

What strikes me as odd is the LE said on an interview that the couch Brianna supposedly went to sleep on is visible from the passerbys on the street. The door was glass and had no curtains on it. From the photos they showed on FNC last night the couch looked to be a couple feet from the glass door. What female would go to sleep on a couch where she would be clearly visible through the windows, especially when its dark outside.... [/*]
To answer your last question, imo, one who has had too much to drink and is oblivious to the world. It seems no one in there had a clear head in those early morning hours. Does anyone here know what time it got light outside that morning?

[wasapi]

Originally posted by sunstar

To answer your last question, imo, one who has had too much to drink and is oblivious to the world. It seems no one in there had a clear head in those early morning hours. Does anyone here know what time it got light outside that morning? [/*]

Sunstar, I agree, and what you said earlier is also true. It was a different world back when I was coming of age in the '60's. (Oh! Did I say that?!)

Also, you know more about this then I do. I wasn't aware that there had been crimes recently in the same area.

I believe that it did not begin to get light until at least 7am, that January morning.

[JudasPriest]

Something just doesn't add up. No tire marks, footprints, fingerprints, nothing. How about glove smudges?

If I'm correct, the street was snowy and wet that night... and there wasn't even a footprint into the house?

Just a drop of blood in the pillow. If it turns out to be Brianna's blood.... why would the perp take along a 2 foot teddy bear?

Blood is messy it gets everywhere. This abductor manages to make her bleed yet only into the teddy bear and nowhere else? While he is taking her out of the house... without leaving the slightest trace??

If the cops tell us that it was a strangers blood then we can put rumors to rest and concentrate on finding that individual... but guess what? Just like many of you I got a feeling that it was her blood on that pillow.

And I highly doubt that it was some kid that got his feelings crushed... this is seems to be too much of a perfect crime... and that's one of the reasons that leads to believe that there even was an intruder that night.

I'm sure we will find more evidence when the snow begins to melt.

It will all come to light soon.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by wasapi


Sunstar, I agree, and what you said earlier is also true. It was a different world back when I was coming of age in the '60's. (Oh! Did I say that?!)

Also, you know more about this then I do. I wasn't aware that there had been crimes recently in the same area.

I believe that it did not begin to get light until at least 7am, that January morning. [/*]
There were 2 other assaults, one on Nov. 13 and the other on Dec. 16.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/12637106.html

[bred]

Butterfly...your comments about Reno LE are encouraging. Others have not been so complimentary.

Don't labs do rush orders? I would think LE would say could you get this to us fast...almost 1 week and they don't know if it's her blood????? And if they do know, why would they not want to release it?

[sunstar]

FNC updates report ~ "cops ask for patience in search". Michelle Sigona from AMW talking to FNC news anchor. Investigators have to interview all registered SO, investigate her disappearance, search for clues in the snow, etc. She's saying that Brianna was very responsible and regularly called her parents from her school in Santa Barbara and it wouldn't be like her to just "leave" and she probably had on only the tank top, jogging pants and was barefoot.

More on AMW tonight. :)

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by JudasPriest
If I'm correct, the street was snowy and wet that night... and there wasn't even a footprint into the house?[/*]

It did not start snowing until the day after she disappeared however it had snowed about a week prior and all of that snow had not melted.

[febreze]

Originally posted by sunstar

There were 2 other assaults, one on Nov. 13 and the other on Dec. 16.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/12637106.html [/*]

it quite possible this is the same person and he lives in the area, heck he could have Brianna in a house on the next block , wish they could search every home in a 6 block area.

[bred]

ITA. But early last week LE said they feel there's no connection.

[Maelstrom5]

febreze,

I am sure you noticed this line from the story whose link you posted.

"The kidnapping and assault took place early Sunday morning"

The same day of the week, and time, as Brianna.
Does anyone know what day of the week the first sexual assault took place on?

[bred]

M5...I can't answer your question but someone said the MO was so different.

But usually perps escalate their crimes and this could be a case of that.

[Maelstrom5]

The only thing I see different is in the second assault he let the victim go after the assault. This time he did not.

I see one thing else, escalation. The first one is unsuccessful, the second is a success but brief, this time he feels he can take his time. He has perfected his craft

[lonetraveler]

Originally posted by febreze


it quite possible this is the same person and he lives in the area, heck he could have Brianna in a house on the next block , wish they could search every home in a 6 block area. [/*]
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Wonder if the LE have checked the security cameras where the party was held? The older man who gave the girl friend a lift, is he on the security cameras? It seems that this fellow could certainly fill in the blanks unless he is long gone, you know what I mean......If there is a shot of him on the security camera then the LE should put his likeness on TV so someone can identify him and the LE can contact him....Jmo

[butterfly28]

I really do not believe they are related. Besides these two rapes there have been several others in the same area. It is more common around summer time when people leave their windows open, but we have been warned about rapists near the campus for many years.

[lonetraveler]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Not that I have seen. Just that he was the one who took them home and the women do not feel he could have anything to do with it. [/*]
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You have to remember that at least one of these young women let a total stranger take them home, they were also most likely very intoxicated at the time......so they obviously trusted anyone and everyone....so much that they had a revolving door in the house for anyone who wanted to come in. In my opinion, they aren't exactly qualified to determine if someone is dangerous or not...

[lonetraveler]

Originally posted by Rick777
Fuhrman said people are reluctant to give out alot of details surrounding that night. What the heck is going on????? Why are her "friends" so nervous? Why aren't her "Friends" organizing a search effort? [/*]
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This sounds way too much like Natalie's friends in Aruba......

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
febreze,

I am sure you noticed this line from the story whose link you posted.

"The kidnapping and assault took place early Sunday morning"

The same day of the week, and time, as Brianna.
Does anyone know what day of the week the first sexual assault took place on? [/*]
I read (another board) it was Nov. 13 which was a Tuesday and it was around 6pm. I don't think it's connected to Brianna's disappearance.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by lonetraveler

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Wonder if the LE have checked the security cameras where the party was held? The older man who gave the girl friend a lift, is he on the security cameras? It seems that this fellow could certainly fill in the blanks unless he is long gone, you know what I mean......If there is a shot of him on the security camera then the LE should put his likeness on TV so someone can identify him and the LE can contact him....Jmo [/*]

The man driving the Suburban whose truck was on security cameras leaving the Sands? If so, he did come forward and was questioned. The police did not feel he was involved.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by lonetraveler

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This sounds way too much like Natalie's friends in Aruba...... [/*]
The whole picture of that night sounds eerily similar to Natalee's last night in Aruba ~ concert, too much drinking, and she vanishes. :(

[lonetraveler]

Originally posted by ruby


Yes the whole stuffed bear thing is just odd...why is it gone? it makes no sense an abductor would take it with him. It may have significance however if the friends were involved as it could have pinpointed them....just my opinion

eta....Bri was the pretty one, could have been a jealousy thing...who knows. [/*]
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I'm wondering about the stuffed bear too! How did he just happen to be at the friend's house? I've read that it belonged to Brianna!!!

[sunstar]

Originally posted by lonetraveler

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I'm wondering about the stuffed bear too! How did he just happen to be at the friend's house? I've read that it belonged to Brianna!!! [/*]
Didn't her friend, KT, say that she'd given Brianna the bear as an "extra pillow"?

[bred]

Yes, that's what KT said.

Someone suggested LE release a picture of it in case it was tossed in a dumpster or ditch, etc. But nothing so far.

[Nellie]

Well, they may not have a picture of it! I can't see college aged kids taking a photo of a stuffed bear.....the only way would be if it was a gift and someone held it up to show or it was in the background of a pic.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Nellie
Well, they may not have a picture of it! I can't see college aged kids taking a photo of a stuffed bear.....the only way would be if it was a gift and someone held it up to show or it was in the background of a pic. [/*]
I doubt they have a photo but a better description might help, other than it's about 2' in size.

[bred]

Sorry...I should have said drawing, not picture. I think it's a good suggestion...but too late now.

[JudasPriest]

Does anyone know what kind of info the lab will get from the drop of blood? Whether its male or female blood? And is it possible to tell if she was intoxicated? If she had any drugs in her system?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by sunstar

I doubt they have a photo but a better description might help, other than it's about 2' in size. [/*]

There IS a better description. I read it. It has multi colored balloons on it's belly. Sounds like a Care Bear. But they're not that big.

I'll see if I can find that news article with the description.

Also, early reports said that Breana brought the bear with her. I'll try to find that too.

[Nellie]

Here ya go!

Police also said that they have discovered the disappearance of a two-foot tall brown stuffed bear with white on its belly and multi-colored balloons, which is likely in Denison's possession.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/555365/reno_teen_brianna_denison_believed.html

A brown stuffed bear with white and multi-colored balloons on the belly, approximately 24-inches tall she was using as a pillow was missing from the area where she was sleeping.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080123/NEWS18/80123008&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

[Brooke]

Your right Nellie it does sound like a Care Bear. They do make them that big, they are almost like a throw pillow sorta thing. My kids have a couple that sit on their beds (that is when they make the bed). But I dont remember there being a brown Care Bear... But I think your right in that that is the style bear it probably is.

[emdragon]

Originally posted by Nellie
Well, they may not have a picture of it! I can't see college aged kids taking a photo of a stuffed bear.....the only way would be if it was a gift and someone held it up to show or it was in the background of a pic. [/*]

Oh college girls do take pictures of he stuffed animals. When mine was in school she decked her

"tigger" out for New years eve and took lots of pictures they are even on her facebook. :)

[annalyzer]

The bear may be missing because he held it over her face while he carried her out to muffle any sounds.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by emdragon


Oh college girls do take pictures of he stuffed animals. When mine was in school she decked her

"tigger" out for New years eve and took lots of pictures they are even on her facebook. :) [/*]

Oh yes, I can believe that.

But, unless it was a special gift or used in a special way, I doubt they took a pic of this bear. Darn I wish KTs myspace wasn't private...maybe there is a pic of the bear on there.

I am really curious why Brianna doesn't have a myspace....this group is big into myspace. But not one of them have her on their myspace group of friends. I find it really odd.

I also took note that the vigil was organized by other high school friends....not the ones she was with that night. Interesting....

[febreze]

Originally posted by annalyzer
The bear may be missing because he held it over her face while he carried her out to muffle any sounds. [/*]

make a good point, it is possible it was used for that purpose

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by sunstar

I read (another board) it was Nov. 13 which was a Tuesday and it was around 6pm. I don't think it's connected to Brianna's disappearance. [/*]

Sunstar; according to the police spokesman on TV both those assaults took place between 5 and 6 am. .
I’m not sure which is worse, a single repeat offender, or three separate people hitting the same area within a short period of time.

I live in a relatively small town(30,000people) so maybe I am seeing a disturbing pattern, where as people who live in Reno see this as just, run-of-the-mill, everyday news.
(another month, another Coed raped, No big deal)

We of course don't know everything the police do, so maybe there are aspects of the three that are so different that the police feel sure they can rule them out as having been done by the same man.

If I were working the case though, I would be bringing in a FBI geographic profiler just to may sure.

[bred]

M5, tell me what a geographic profiler does.

There HAD to be a purpose to take the 2' bear along with Brianna and to muffle her voice is a good reason. But I think that small, flat pillow would have been less cumbersome...but we'll probably never know the real reason.

LE was very quick to say the assaults weren't connected to Brianna.

[Donnah]

Originally posted by Nellie

I am really curious why Brianna doesn't have a myspace....this group is big into myspace. But not one of them have her on their myspace group of friends. I find it really odd.
[/*]

Nothing odd about it. Her Facebook account, with hundreds of friends, was evidently enough for her.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by sunstar

The whole picture of that night sounds eerily similar to Natalee's last night in Aruba ~ concert, too much drinking, and she vanishes. :( [/*]

No kidding and if that case taught us anything it is that every guy who was even near her that night should get a lawyer and keep quiet in case they become the target . IMO

[Amy S.]

It wouldn't be odd for my 19 yr. old to sleep with a bear. It would be odd for that to be the only thing of hers that she had with her at her friend's. I don't think that Brianna packed a bag, so I don't think that she had a bear with her. Unless, it was a brand new bear that someone gave her and then it should be easy enough to find a similar one.

Her car wasn't there, so she would have had to carry the bear to the concert with her.

By the way, I just checked my DD's room to make sure she is safe.

[butterfly28]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080126/NEWS18/80126044&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews


"During a visit with the 19-year-old’s family and closest friends, the Reno Gazette-Journal was provided insight into her life and dreams that goes beyond her physical description and details of her disappearance that have consumed the airwaves all week."



:rose:

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by bred
M5, tell me what a geographic profiler does.

There HAD to be a purpose to take the 2' bear along with Brianna and to muffle her voice is a good reason. But I think that small, flat pillow would have been less cumbersome...but we'll probably never know the real reason.

LE was very quick to say the assaults weren't connected to Brianna. [/*]

A geographic profiler looks at a series of crimes from the standpoint of location. He/she tried to find if there is a common pattern and thereby reduce the area were the perp may live or hunt.

If there is a connection I think this person does not stalk people, he stalks a location. The three women were attacked by chance, not because of who they were, but because of where they were.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Sunstar; according to the police spokesman on TV both those assaults took place between 5 and 6 am. .
I’m not sure which is worse, a single repeat offender, or three separate people hitting the same area within a short period of time.

I live in a relatively small town(30,000people) so maybe I am seeing a disturbing pattern, where as people who live in Reno see this as just, run-of-the-mill, everyday news.
(another month, another Coed raped, No big deal)

We of course don't know everything the police do, so maybe there are aspects of the three that are so different that the police feel sure they can rule them out as having been done by the same man.

If I were working the case though, I would be bringing in a FBI geographic profiler just to may sure. [/*]


Or possibly the 2 sexual assaults are related but not to Brianna's disappearance.

I lived within the one mile radius of the university myself although it was about 2 - 3 years ago. Even then we had several rapes occur that seemed to be linked together. Several women woke up to find a man in their bedroom mainly during the summer time and it was believed he was entering through windows left open for air. I believe he was caught but I cannot be certain.

Your idea of a profiler is a good one and something I hope they are looking into.

On a side note, I woke up to quite a bit of snow here and it shows little sign of slowing down. I have not heard of any searches being publicized but I would believe LE is still searching and this cannot help.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Amy S.
It wouldn't be odd for my 19 yr. old to sleep with a bear. It would be odd for that to be the only thing of hers that she had with her at her friend's. I don't think that Brianna packed a bag, so I don't think that she had a bear with her. Unless, it was a brand new bear that someone gave her and then it should be easy enough to find a similar one.

Her car wasn't there, so she would have had to carry the bear to the concert with her.

By the way, I just checked my DD's room to make sure she is safe. [/*]

IF Brianna took the bear with her, she would not have had to take it to the concert with her. Jessica Deal dropped her off at KT's house and then they went to the concert from there. So, she no more would have had to take the bear with her than she would her makeup. She would have left the bear at the house.

[Nellie]

So, reading that article about Bri.....makes me think her father committed suicide. Anyone else?

[Nellie]

Ok, in that artice there are messages left by her family.
Both her mother and her grandmother say "stay healthy".
That seems like such a strange thing to tell a kidnapped girl...it's like "be sure to eat all of your vegetables". Just struck me as weird....almost like she's a runaway and they're telling her to take care of herself and stay healthy. Anyone else think it's a weird thing to tell a kidnapped girl? Maybe "stay safe"....but "stay healthy"???? Just struck me as "odd".

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Nellie
So, reading that article about Bri.....makes me think her father committed suicide. Anyone else? [/*]

Yes Nellie it does sound like that is a possibility. At the very least whatever happened is extremely painful to not only Bri, but everyone else in her family.

I see that Brianna and KT both have a fondness for Marilyn Monroe.

While I am on the subject of KT I want to let you know that contrary to what some people have suggested, her MySpace page does NOT have a ton of "drinking pics". In fact there are only a few.

Most of her pics have to deal with trips(she has a bunch posing with manikins in a wax museum), hanging with friends at the beach along with the obligatory prom/formal pictures with her and friends dressed to the nine's. While her page is blocked there is nothing on her profile or picture page that is anything more then PG.

As I have stated on other threads I have viewed thousands of MySpace profiles and KT's is tame in comparison to most of them.

BTW; KT has been burning up the internet asking everyone she can think of to help find Bri. Her intro quote now states "Bri We Love You.. Please Come Back Safe..." Her profile default pic is now Brianna's missing person flyer.

[bred]

Butterfly, thanks for the link.

I agree it sounds like a suicide or AIDS. Two deaths people don't like to talk about.

Yes, KT loaned the bear to Bri as an extra pillow.

STAY HEALTHY...weird. Unless they mean "use your head"...I don't know.

Maybe a profiler WAS called in and that helped LE say no connection?

[bred]

Have been reading elsewhere and now I need to ask butterfly...Do Reno homes have basements??????

[butterfly28]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080127/VIDEO/80126031&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

Here is a link to video of the family talking about Brianna.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
OR the bear had vomit all over it from drinking too much; and someone disposed of it and her.....I'm still thinking of this as more of an Alcohol poisoning case; not an abduction. I think the crime scene looked staged to me...made to look like an abduction; I explained why I felt this way a few pages back; I think her roommates found her dead from drinking too much and disposed of her. This scenario happens more than naught, abductions are such a rare occurrence..
Im just not convinced yet. And what is up with that message from her family, stay healthy? Wth is that......:shrug:

Do they think she is a run away?

CT [/*]
Hi CT :seeya: This crossed my mind too since it was brought up so much following Natalee's disappearance and this eerily reminds me of her vanishing after a night of drinking. If this is blood found on the pillow, could she have aspirated blood or bled from her nose in this manner of death? From what I've heard there doesn't seem to be that much 'blood' on the pillow like there would be if she'd been hit with an object. I'm confused with the "stay healthy" too unless it's a term the family uses regularly.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by bred
Butterfly, thanks for the link.

I agree it sounds like a suicide or AIDS. Two deaths people don't like to talk about.

Yes, KT loaned the bear to Bri as an extra pillow.

STAY HEALTHY...weird. Unless they mean "use your head"...I don't know.

Maybe a profiler WAS called in and that helped LE say no connection? [/*]

Bred,

I just watched the video with Brianna's family.

I think STAY HEALTHY is a euphemism, it means "do whatever he says, submit to whatever he wants, do whatever you have to do.. to stay alive"

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Bred,

I just watched the video with Brianna's family.

I think STAY HEALTHY is a euphemism, it means "do whatever he says, submit to whatever he wants, do whatever you have to do.. to stay alive" [/*]

Stay Safe would have seemed more appropriate to me....

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Yes Nellie it does sound like that is a possibility. At the very least whatever happened is extremely painful to not only Bri, but everyone else in her family.

I see that Brianna and KT both have a fondness for Marilyn Monroe.

While I am on the subject of KT I want to let you know that contrary to what some people have suggested, her MySpace page does NOT have a ton of "drinking pics". In fact there are only a few.

Most of her pics have to deal with trips(she has a bunch posing with manikins in a wax museum), hanging with friends at the beach along with the obligatory prom/formal pictures with her and friends dressed to the nine's. While her page is blocked there is nothing on her profile or picture page that is anything more then PG.

As I have stated on other threads I have viewed thousands of MySpace profiles and KT's is tame in comparison to most of them.

BTW; KT has been burning up the internet asking everyone she can think of to help find Bri. Her intro quote now states "Bri We Love You.. Please Come Back Safe..." Her profile default pic is now Brianna's missing person flyer. [/*]

I haven't been able to view KTs myspace since it's set to Private. BUt I have viewed Jessica's. As far as KTs myspace.....it could have all been changed for "appearance sake". Pictures could have been removed to look tamer now than it used to. I don't know...just pointing that out. Do you see any posts from Bri on it? I'm still puzzled that Bri doesn't have any myspace account....even if she is on facebook. These other girls are very active on myspace and talk back and forth with each other. I'm surprised she wasn't either.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
I thought her room mate gave her the bear as an extra pillow; thats what I heard on air over here.....it wasnt with her anywhere, it was in the apt for her to use as extra pillow...as a prop pillow per say.
CT [/*]

Cat, in this article it says the bear belonged to Brianna Dennison. So, I'm not sure which is the case. It might be poor reporting....I just don't know.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324345,00.html

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Nellie


I haven't been able to view KTs myspace since it's set to Private. BUt I have viewed Jessica's. As far as KTs myspace.....it could have all been changed for "appearance sake". Pictures could have been removed to look tamer now than it used to. I don't know...just pointing that out. Do you see any posts from Bri on it? I'm still puzzled that Bri doesn't have any myspace account....even if she is on facebook. These other girls are very active on myspace and talk back and forth with each other. I'm surprised she wasn't either. [/*]

I have not seen anything from Bri ,but I did not look back in her comment section. You are right of course she could have changed her page, but if she did so why would she leave anything to suggest partying? Nothing on her page suggest anything other then the fact she is worried sick, She could be lying of course, but I don't think so.

If you personally know the family and friends of missing people you get a feel for who is telling the truth, who is fudging the truth, and who is not telling the truth at all.

If you go back to my early posts on this thread I warned everyone to take the statement “not drunk” with a grain of salt. I stated it was very important for them to tell the whole truth. The reason I said that was because I have MySpace friends of other missing people who did not.

In a few weeks Brianna Maitland will be missing for 4 years. One of her best friends still cry’s herself to sleep 2 or 3 times a week when she thinks about her long lost friend. In part it because they will never get to do all the things they planned to do together, in part it is because she did not tell the police everything when she was first asked.

I could be wrong in this case, I certainly have been before, but my gut tells me I am not.

[CanCan]

Originally posted by Nellie


Oh yes, I can believe that.

But, unless it was a special gift or used in a special way, I doubt they took a pic of this bear. Darn I wish KTs myspace wasn't private...maybe there is a pic of the bear on there.

I am really curious why Brianna doesn't have a myspace....this group is big into myspace. But not one of them have her on their myspace group of friends. I find it really odd.

I also took note that the vigil was organized by other high school friends....not the ones she was with that night. Interesting.... [/*]

A cousin of Brianna's interviewed on Fox said IIRC that KT and Jessica were friends, but not her BEST friends.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Hi Sunstar ltns :seeya:

Yes, if someone drank frequently they could aspirate some blood in vomit if they drank too much; out of nose or gut or either...I am still waiting on hearing that it wasnt vomit found on her pillow. Very sad case, I hope they find her alive but I'm a realist and hope they at least find her body for answers, for the truth. If there are family members here; I'm not writing this to be cruel, the reports of her drinking before the events during and after, that is a lot of alcohol, no matter how tame her myspace acct looks; that bears no relevance on how much she truly drank on a regular basis. And that is something that needs to be determined in this case. [/*]
Thanks for the reply :) I agree and think it's something to be considered. Or maybe the abductor put something in or over her mouth to keep her from screaming which caused her to gag?

[Maelstrom5]

good catch CanCan,

That would help to explain why the false statement about drinking.

If Jessica is a better/closer friend to KT then Brianna, KT's first reaction, long before she fully realized the full implications of what had happened, would be to cover up for Jessica. This does not excuse it, but it does help to explain it.

[Amy S.]

If I was one of the other's girls parents, I think I would have someone take a look at our computer's HD, to see if there are any messages (old ones or recent) that might shed some light on what happened.

That might be hard to do, if the girls have their own laptops, but if DD was on our main computer alot, I think I would look to see who she is talking to.

There might just be something, somewhere sometime that would yield a clue.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Amy S.
If I was one of the other's girls parents, I think I would have someone take a look at our computer's HD, to see if there are any messages (old ones or recent) that might shed some light on what happened.

That might be hard to do, if the girls have their own laptops, but if DD was on our main computer alot, I think I would look to see who she is talking to.

There might just be something, somewhere sometime that would yield a clue. [/*]

I think Brianna was the author of her own misfortune, once she drank too much and passed out in front of a big glass window of a door that wasn't even locked....she was easy pickings. IMO

[ruby]

I am sad to see that there isn't much new news at all! It's so scary that people can vanish without a trace. I have a few theories on what happened, all of which have been discussed by myself and other posters. I hope we get so more details soon, for the sake of Brianna and her family.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by ruby
I am sad to see that there isn't much new news at all! It's so scary that people can vanish without a trace. I have a few theories on what happened, all of which have been discussed by myself and other posters. I hope we get so more details soon, for the sake of Brianna and her family. [/*]

My thoughts exactly! :(

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by ruby
I am sad to see that there isn't much new news at all! It's so scary that people can vanish without a trace. I have a few theories on what happened, all of which have been discussed by myself and other posters. I hope we get so more details soon, for the sake of Brianna and her family. [/*]

If you caught Greta the other night , they had furman at the home and he showed that you could see right in the hallway through the glass. The couch was literally next to the unlocked door and she was evidently passed out. To me it isn't much of a mystery as someone just happening by could easily open the door ....sling her over the shoulder and be gone in seconds. JMO

[ruby]

Originally posted by ReedJ


If you caught Greta the other night , they had furman at the home and he showed that you could see right in the hallway through the glass. The couch was literally next to the unlocked door and she was evidently passed out. To me it isn't much of a mystery as someone just happening by could easily open the door ....sling her over the shoulder and be gone in seconds. JMO [/*]

Oh i completely agree. This crime was too easy 'if' she was abducted. I would have never slept like that....exposed.

[bred]

More and more perps ARE able to pull of the perfect murder. "Perfect" meaning they don't get caught. Just look at the LONG lists of missing people. It is horrific.

[ruby]

Originally posted by bred
More and more perps ARE able to pull of the perfect murder. "Perfect" meaning they don't get caught. Just look at the LONG lists of missing people. It is horrific. [/*]

Yep, that's the terrifying part....the amount of people who are never found. I couldnt imagine never knowing....

[bred]

My apologies to whoever came up with this first...I can't locate where I read this, but it was news to me...Greta asked KT the COLOR of the pillow case and she couldn't remember?????? Puuuleeze! Other times I've heard her say she was asked NOT to talk about something but not the case here. Just couldn't remember??????

[wandering]

Originally posted by sunstar

Thanks for the reply :) I agree and think it's something to be considered. Or maybe the abductor put something in or over her mouth to keep her from screaming which caused her to gag? [/*]Gag causes bleeding? :confused:

[wandering]

Originally posted by ReedJ


I think Brianna was the author of her own misfortune, once she drank too much and passed out in front of a big glass window of a door that wasn't even locked....she was easy pickings. IMO [/*]It's her fault? :confused:

[ruby]

:rose:

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by wandering
It's her fault? :confused: [/*]

That was not stated in my post. I said she was the author of her own misfortune. jmo

[sunstar]

Originally posted by wandering
Gag causes bleeding? :confused: [/*]
Sorry that isn't exactly what I meant. Intoxicated persons often gag easily and if she'd something shoved in her mouth could've thrown up. Or maybe it was a nosebleed? I'm just trying to figure out the source of what's believed to be blood spots. :shrug:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


I have not seen anything from Bri ,but I did not look back in her comment section. You are right of course she could have changed her page, but if she did so why would she leave anything to suggest partying? Nothing on her page suggest anything other then the fact she is worried sick, She could be lying of course, but I don't think so.

If you personally know the family and friends of missing people you get a feel for who is telling the truth, who is fudging the truth, and who is not telling the truth at all.

If you go back to my early posts on this thread I warned everyone to take the statement “not drunk” with a grain of salt. I stated it was very important for them to tell the whole truth. The reason I said that was because I have MySpace friends of other missing people who did not.

In a few weeks Brianna Maitland will be missing for 4 years. One of her best friends still cry’s herself to sleep 2 or 3 times a week when she thinks about her long lost friend. In part it because they will never get to do all the things they planned to do together, in part it is because she did not tell the police everything when she was first asked.

I could be wrong in this case, I certainly have been before, but my gut tells me I am not. [/*]

You certainly could be right. It's just so sad how kids put themselves in such danger today.....all for the sake of fun.

[sunstar]

New information!

The Reno Police Department and the FBI are continuing to investigate the disappearance of Brianna Denison and the following information is being provided as part of a request for additional assistance:

Evidence obtained from the scene of Brianna Denison’s disappearance included DNA genetic samples. After analysis by the Washoe County Crime Lab, a positive link has been established between this case and a Kidnap and Sexual Assault case that occurred at a nearby residence on December 16, 2007 @ 2:05 a.m. The victim in the December case was also the victim of a recent (1/19/08) attempted burglary at her residence in the 1400 block of N. Virginia St. On November 13, 2007 shortly after 5:00 p.m., an unknown suspect sexually attacked a UNR student who was walking to her home in the neighborhood. That case is also being investigated as being possibly connected to those already mentioned.

Additionally, detectives have learned of new information relative to these three mentioned cases which is being distributed to the public. This information is relative to a possible suspect vehicle and a suspect description which are as follows:

Suspect vehicle: Extended cab pick-up truck or SUV, dome light above the windshield, tall enough that it requires a step up to gain entry, floor-mounted console that was described as “fairly skinny” that opens in front, blue and red LED read-out on the radio, cloth seats, automatic transmission. There was a baby shoe on the front seat floor board. There were 8 ½” x 11” white pieces of paper with typing on the floor board of the front seat.

Suspect: White male, approximately 28 - 40 years, long face with a square chin, taller than 5’6” but not excessively so, very strong but not with a significantly muscular build, a belly that was described as not excessively large and firm but not flabby, an “innie” belly button, a light covering of hair on his arms, no jewelry or a watch, facial hair about a quarter to a half an inch long below his chin and was soft and not prickly as stubble normally is, unknown if he had a mustache, brown head hair of undetermined style, normal speech with no accent or regional dialect, no smoker’s breath, no alcohol, no bad breath, no cologne or after-shave.

Suspect clothing at the time of the Kidnap/Sexual assault: red (not maroon) short sleeve shirt described as being made of material similar in feel to a Fubu jersey-type shirt (silk/rayon/polyester type) with a medium blue-colored neckline, short printed (possibly embroidered) word on the upper left breast area, another shirt underneath with wrist-length sleeves, unknown color pants – regular length – not jeans. The pants reminded the victim of basketball pants as the material was smooth but they made no noise when he moved and they had an elastic waist band and no zipper.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/14469877.html

[ruby]

Originally posted by sunstar
New information!

The Reno Police Department and the FBI are continuing to investigate the disappearance of Brianna Denison and the following information is being provided as part of a request for additional assistance:

Evidence obtained from the scene of Brianna Denison’s disappearance included DNA genetic samples. After analysis by the Washoe County Crime Lab, a positive link has been established between this case and a Kidnap and Sexual Assault case that occurred at a nearby residence on December 16, 2007 @ 2:05 a.m. The victim in the December case was also the victim of a recent (1/19/08) attempted burglary at her residence in the 1400 block of N. Virginia St. On November 13, 2007 shortly after 5:00 p.m., an unknown suspect sexually attacked a UNR student who was walking to her home in the neighborhood. That case is also being investigated as being possibly connected to those already mentioned.

Additionally, detectives have learned of new information relative to these three mentioned cases which is being distributed to the public. This information is relative to a possible suspect vehicle and a suspect description which are as follows:

Suspect vehicle: Extended cab pick-up truck or SUV, dome light above the windshield, tall enough that it requires a step up to gain entry, floor-mounted console that was described as “fairly skinny” that opens in front, blue and red LED read-out on the radio, cloth seats, automatic transmission. There was a baby shoe on the front seat floor board. There were 8 ½” x 11” white pieces of paper with typing on the floor board of the front seat.

Suspect: White male, approximately 28 - 40 years, long face with a square chin, taller than 5’6” but not excessively so, very strong but not with a significantly muscular build, a belly that was described as not excessively large and firm but not flabby, an “innie” belly button, a light covering of hair on his arms, no jewelry or a watch, facial hair about a quarter to a half an inch long below his chin and was soft and not prickly as stubble normally is, unknown if he had a mustache, brown head hair of undetermined style, normal speech with no accent or regional dialect, no smoker’s breath, no alcohol, no bad breath, no cologne or after-shave.

Suspect clothing at the time of the Kidnap/Sexual assault: red (not maroon) short sleeve shirt described as being made of material similar in feel to a Fubu jersey-type shirt (silk/rayon/polyester type) with a medium blue-colored neckline, short printed (possibly embroidered) word on the upper left breast area, another shirt underneath with wrist-length sleeves, unknown color pants – regular length – not jeans. The pants reminded the victim of basketball pants as the material was smooth but they made no noise when he moved and they had an elastic waist band and no zipper.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/14469877.html [/*]


wow thanks for that! finally a 'break'

[sunstar]

Originally posted by ruby



wow thanks for that! finally a 'break' [/*]
You're most welcome! :) I'm hoping all this very detailed info. leads somewhere. The most disturbing part is it seems he has a small child since there was a baby shoe in the truck.

[bred]

Wow. Such detail! Cudos to the poor victim who remained so alert.

He can shave the facial hair, throw away the clothes, get a new car, gain some weight...and it will all be noticed by someone.

[butterfly28]

It is so good to finally have this information!! I think LE will definitely find this guy and now those in the community have somethings to look for. I do not think it will take long until he is caught.

[butterfly28]

Am I understanding this correctly?

So the girl that was assaulted and kidnapped on Dec. 16th later had someone break into her house in January and DNA evidence links the same person to both crimes?

This same person also left DNA at the scene where Brianna disappeared from? (And they have DNA from another attack as well.) What kind of DNA would he have left where he took Brianna?

Maelstrom- They ARE related!! Nice job. Why do I even doubt you? :D

[sunstar]

Originally posted by butterfly28
Am I understanding this correctly?

So the girl that was assaulted and kidnapped on Dec. 16th later had someone break into her house in January and DNA evidence links the same person to both crimes?

This same person also left DNA at the scene where Brianna disappeared from? (And they have DNA from another attack as well.) What kind of DNA would he have left where he took Brianna?

[/*]
Yes he struck twice at the home of the Dec. 16 victim. :eek: As for the DNA left behind when he took Brianna, maybe saliva or semen?

[bred]

Do you think maybe he couldn't get into her home...so he continued down 3 more blocks and entered KT's?

I guess semen/saliva, yes. But that makes me think he stayed for "awhile" and I pictured the abduction of Bri as happening very quickly.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by bred
Do you think maybe he couldn't get into her home...so he continued down 3 more blocks and entered KT's?

I guess semen/saliva, yes. But that makes me think he stayed for "awhile" and I pictured the abduction of Bri as happening very quickly. [/*]
Or he could've followed them home and waited until the lights were out. I'd envisioned it happening quickly too but with the blood being Brianna's, and the article saying DNA and not fingerprints, for example, it'd have to be something else. If it was a sexual assault there in the house, why take Brianna away?

[bred]

Great ? sunstar and I don't have an answer...unless he knew there were now 2 women who could identify him?

[sunstar]

Originally posted by bred
Great ? sunstar and I don't have an answer...unless he knew there were now 2 women who could identify him? [/*]
That sure doesn't look good for poor Brianna. :(

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by sunstar

Thanks for the reply :) I agree and think it's something to be considered. Or maybe the abductor put something in or over her mouth to keep her from screaming which caused her to gag? [/*]

I think when he crept into the room he most likely put the sharp point of a knife against her throat before waking her up. She may have been startled and jumped cause the tip of the knife to pierce her neck.

It is amazing how many of these predators can lead their victims out of the home in a matter of a few minutes and no one hears a thing. We unfortunately have seen it happen countless times. While we think we would scream sometimes I think someone can be so afraid and freeze in fear. When it comes down to it self preservation is paramount and I think sometimes in the victim's mind they think they can reason with the predator if they remain complacent.

imoo

[Nellie]

Originally posted by sunstar

Or he could've followed them home and waited until the lights were out. I'd envisioned it happening quickly too but with the blood being Brianna's, and the article saying DNA and not fingerprints, for example, it'd have to be something else. If it was a sexual assault there in the house, why take Brianna away? [/*]

I re-read the article. Did they confirm the blood on the pillow as being Bri's blood? If they did, I must have missed that. If not, then maybe the blood was his....maybe Bri bit him and he dripped some blood on the pillow and that's where the DNA was from.

I am so sad....I was truly hoping she was a runaway. This is much worse.

[bred]

Yes, that's KT's door.

I thought quick and quiet but maybe not....DNA was present.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by AnnieBean
Theres a door at the end of the brown leather couch- is THAT the door the other girl was sleeping behind, with it locked, with her chichuaua (dog, can't spell it)? This person who took her must have been quick and quiet. [/*]
Yes that door goes into KT's bedroom. I'm thinking he was waiting outside and would've gotten a good look at the inside when they had the lights on before they went to bed.

[sunstar]

Originally posted by Nellie


I re-read the article. Did they confirm the blood on the pillow as being Bri's blood? If they did, I must have missed that. If not, then maybe the blood was his....maybe Bri bit him and he dripped some blood on the pillow and that's where the DNA was from.

I am so sad....I was truly hoping she was a runaway. This is much worse. [/*]
Yes, it's further down in the article (I didn't post it here) ~

"Additionally, the blood found on the pillow at the residence has been identified as belonging to Brianna. "

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Nellie


I re-read the article. Did they confirm the blood on the pillow as being Bri's blood? If they did, I must have missed that. If not, then maybe the blood was his....maybe Bri bit him and he dripped some blood on the pillow and that's where the DNA was from.

I am so sad....I was truly hoping she was a runaway. This is much worse. [/*]


From the article: "Additionally, the blood found on the pillow at the residence has been identified as belonging to Brianna."

:(

[Nellie]

Originally posted by butterfly28



From the article: "Additionally, the blood found on the pillow at the residence has been identified as belonging to Brianna."

:( [/*]

Thank you. I am so sick.....I have a horrible feeling about this poor girl.

And oh how I wish kids would be more careful today and quit being so careless.

I am just so sad right now....this is not good.

[wasapi]

O - M - G . . . "There was a baby shoe on the front floorboard."

O - M - G . . . This creep is frightening, and seems to be getting more bold and more dangerous.

I can't imagine her families pain. The possibilities going through their minds - what happened, and what did she go through, is even difficult for many of us to consider.

And how I wish my prayers for them could really help . . .

The other day on this thread, I was making light of my age and remembering when I was Brianna's age, being risky and thinking it always happened to someone else. There is nothing about this that I should be making light of. The thing is, I did so many stupid, dangerous things, because I felt immortal, invulnerable, safe.

So this case does not feel like one with a happy ending. Sorry, I just feel being realistic is different then being negative. And for some reason Brianna's kidnapping has gotten to me in a way that doesn't happen very often.

This one is difficult to let go of. Perhaps it is because I realize now, to the fullest extent, the meaning of that saying, "There but for the grace of God go I."

[Nellie]

I'm wondering....maybe a student?

There were 8 ½” x 11” white pieces of paper with typing on the floor board of the front seat.

[wasapi]

Originally posted by Nellie
I'm wondering....maybe a student?

There were 8 ½” x 11” white pieces of paper with typing on the floor board of the front seat. [/*]

Also, she said that something was embroidered above his front pocket, possibly letters.

That reminds me of trades like tire shops, mechanics, hardware store employees, etc. And the way the truck was lifted is sure someone who wants to project a macho image. IMO.

However, if his name was indeed on his shirt, he either is so driven that he doesn't care, or is taking bigger and bigger risks.

[CanCan]

I'm thinking about Brianna's poor mom....first she lost her husband (when Bri was a little girl, under unspecified circumstances per an article) .....and now, most likely, Bri herself. So tragic.

:rose:

[Brooke]

Our local news reported this evening the DNA on the pillow Brianna was sleeping on matched the DNA from the rape on December. So I am wonering if there was blood from both of them on the pillow. IIRC one of the housemates stated there was several drops of blood on the pillow, so if this is true one of those drops had his DNA in it.

[wandering]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
OR the bear had vomit all over it from drinking too much; and someone disposed of it and her.....I'm still thinking of this as more of an Alcohol poisoning case; not an abduction. I think the crime scene looked staged to me...made to look like an abduction; I explained why I felt this way a few pages back; I think her roommates found her dead from drinking too much and disposed of her. This scenario happens more than naught, abductions are such a rare occurrence..
Im just not convinced yet. And what is up with that message from her family, stay healthy? Wth is that......:shrug:

Do they think she is a run away?

CT [/*]I don't think alcohol had anything to do with it.

She was in her space, texting on her phone.

I don't think it's appropriate to suggest that without any evidence.

As for her family, they don't want to think she's not coming back. Very common in missing persons cases.

Why suggest she ran away?
Sounds to me that she had a nice life, she was in Reno, with her friends, and apparently, with her parent's blessings.

[Lincoln]

Hello everybody! :seeya:

I'm new on this thread,hope I can join you.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=4166053&page=1


"The blood caused some alarm for police, Macdonald said, but the bigger concern was that it appeared Denison had disappeared wearing no shoes and only the sweats and a light shirt she'd worn to bed. Her cell phone and purse had also been left behind."


I think something happened in that house. :shrug:

[Lincoln]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4189256&page=1


"The house near the Reno's University of Nevada campus, rented by four college-age friends, was unlocked, but whoever abducted her must have tread lightly. Neither Hunter nor her dog heard anything in the night. Hunter called police to report Denison's disappearance Sunday morning. "


A 19 years old kidnapped from a house?It's a bit unusual.

:shrug:

[RiverWalk]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hA_DEEClMpRwsFr29Un8v3z-yCtwD8UEN5000

Cops: Disappearance Tied to Prior Attack

Our chances of capturing the suspect are exponentially increased now because of the DNA," he said. "We believe that the person may be in the area. It's still my hope that Brianna is alive, and we're expending every resource possible to get her back safely."

(This version CORRECTS Corrects Holladay quotes in 4th and 8th grafs.)

ETA: "grafs" is a term used for paragraph in journalists lingo.

[newshound81]

I wonder if Brian (http://www.briansdreams.com/MISSING/publicr/603.htm) is onto something. Maybe the man lives in this area or works for the airport.

"I think Brianna was taken by the man drawn above...he has large strange eyes with small publics and is wearing a black leather jacket. She maybe at this mans home, but could only see this container, which I believe to be a shipping container. I found Reno Airport on Google earth and in the number 25 is the runway number, he maybe around this area.

I did not feel death in the viewing, so I think there might be a good chance that she may still be alive."

[Maelstrom5]

Hi all,

So it seems that the December attack and Brianna’s case are related and possibly the first attack as well.

This guy sound like he could be married or have a significant other but may currently be separated from his wife/girlfriend. He could have recently gone through a divorce. It is going way out on a limb but I feel that he may have moved into the Reno area in the last 6 months to a year.

I think they should be looking at men who have a reason to be in the area. Cable TV guys, electrical or gas meter readers, repair/delivery men, etc. Men who work Monday though Friday or maybe Tuesday through Saturday. The reason I feel this way is three fold, because of the report of papers on the floor board, because both the second and third attacks took place on Sunday, and because he seems familiar with the area he hunts.

BTW besides the reasons I have previously stated, I felt these cases could be related because of Mark Fuhrman’s facial reactions when he told Greta about the police statement that they did not believe these cases were connected. I could see he did not agree with them.

Mark may have lied about using the N-word, but he is a heck of a detective, as Martha Moxley’s family and all of Connecticut can attest to.

[duncan]

Originally posted by RiverWalk
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hA_DEEClMpRwsFr29Un8v3z-yCtwD8UEN5000

Cops: Disappearance Tied to Prior Attack

Our chances of capturing the suspect are exponentially increased now because of the DNA," he said. "We believe that the person may be in the area. It's still my hope that Brianna is alive, and we're expending every resource possible to get her back safely."

(This version CORRECTS Corrects Holladay quotes in 4th and 8th grafs.)

ETA: "grafs" is a term used for paragraph in journalists lingo. [/*]


LE has his DNA, it is a good start. This is a dangerous predator and I hope he is found soon, he did allow the one victim to live so I hope Brianna is alive too.

[SameHere1]

Couldn't the DNA come from hair found? Maybe this has already been stated?

[duncan]

Originally posted by SameHere1
Couldn't the DNA come from hair found? Maybe this has already been stated? [/*]


Good guess, her DNA was in the blood/saliva found on the pillow, I did not see what they found of his that they were able to test and compare to DNA from the rape victim. I have heard that they can get DNA results from skin cells.

[SpecialK]

Originally posted by wandering
I don't think alcohol had anything to do with it.

She was in her space, texting on her phone.

I don't think it's appropriate to suggest that without any evidence.

As for her family, they don't want to think she's not coming back. Very common in missing persons cases.

Why suggest she ran away?
Sounds to me that she had a nice life, she was in Reno, with her friends, and apparently, with her parent's blessings. [/*]

Agreed. And I don't think her "carelessness" lead to her abduction. She went out to an event that she had apparently been looking forward to, had a good time, decided to sleep on a friend's couch and the perp entered that home and took her.
There was no way for him to know the door was unlocked until he pulled on it, IMO. He was going to find a way into that house, regardless.

His days as a free man are numbered. There was good information released and someone will put the details together and alert LE.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by RachelRose
I was very interested in reading the description of the attacker.

This is not some John Couey kind of a guy - this is an established, upper middle class guy, and probably a father with young children it sounds.

I'm kind of surprised a man like that would attempt a break-in of a house with occupants. It seems possbile he knew the house. [/*]

I wonder when that information will be forthcoming?

[Cookies]

Hi all! :)

I joined this board especially for this thread.I hope Brianna will be found soon.Alive.

:rose:

[butterfly28]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080128/NEWS01/801280338/1002

Here is another article in the local paper. It also has a list of some other rapes in the area that were solved through DNA.

[Cookies]

Originally posted by butterfly28
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080128/NEWS01/801280338/1002

Here is another article in the local paper. It also has a list of some other rapes in the area that were solved through DNA. [/*]

Thank you for this.
What happened to the other girl who was assaulted by this man???TIA

[SameHere1]

He may have worn the long sleeved shirt under the other shirt to cover up any tatoos he has. Or to prevent his victims from scratching him.

Someone knows this guy - surely LE will get him very quickly with tips now.

There is a substantial reward.

Prayers for her safe return.

[dkny]

Maybe a campus security guard ? they would wear a uniform type outfit and that is what it sounds like he had on in prior attacks. Who wears pants w/elastic in that age group ? Unless it is some kind of coveralls. Very brazen to go after the same girl twice, sounds like he happened upon Bri. I wonder if she has stayed @ KT's house *4 ?JMO

[Track292003]

Originally posted by Cookies


Thank you for this.
What happened to the other girl who was assaulted by this man???TIA [/*]

I just read on another forum that this girl has "left the country." No further information was given.

I can't post on that forum because my e-mail service is free and that forum only accepts posts from people who pay for their e-mail service!

Edited to add: The public owes a great deal to this young woman for providing so many details about the perp and his vehicle.

[westernskies]

[i]. Who wears pants w/elastic in that age group ? [/*]

Icky answer that popped into my head- I think this guy had it in his head to rape *someone* and elastic pants could just be his premeditated way of thinking easy on easy off :(

I can only think like sports, jock type people but the truck description doesn't really match that in my head.

[dkny]

Originally posted by westernskies


Icky answer that popped into my head- I think this guy had it in his head to rape *someone* and elastic pants could just be his premeditated way of thinking easy on easy off :(

I can only think like sports, jock type people but the truck description doesn't really match that in my head. [/*]


You are right. And Bri was wearing sweats. Maybe Bri could id him and that is why he took her. IMO

[Cookies]

Originally posted by dkny



You are right. And Bri was wearing sweats. Maybe Bri could id him and that is why he took her. IMO [/*]

Then there are small chances for her to be alive.Jmo.

[dkny]

Originally posted by Cookies


Then there are small chances for her to be alive.Jmo. [/*]


I hope she is but it does not look good. IMo

[dkny]

Originally posted by Amy S.
I can think of many people that wear those kind of pants. A coach, an athlete, a one time athlete,
or just a perv that wants to take his pants down. [/*]

I was trying to think how he might have enticed his victims, i.e. security guard, tow truck driver, etc IMO

[Cookies]

Originally posted by dkny



I hope she is but it does not look good. IMo [/*]

Same here.:(

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by Cookies
Hi all! :)

I joined this board especially for this thread.I hope Brianna will be found soon.Alive.

:rose: [/*]

Welcome Cookies! :seeya:

I was so afraid of this outcome...makes me feel sick, but at least that clears the friends.

[Cookies]

Originally posted by Jpanda


Welcome Cookies! :seeya:

I was so afraid of this outcome...makes me feel sick, but at least that clears the friends. [/*]

Thanx! :seeya:

Me too.I thought that something happened in the house and her friends tried to cover it up or something.But the DNA results made me shiver. :(

[jokell]

Originally posted by Amy S.
Jokel - We kow what you are saying. This site won't let you put the letter BEE, for some reason. [/*]

Thanks! I thought something was wrong with my computer:)

[RiverWalk]

http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20080128/NEWS01/198670093

• Suspect vehicle: Extended cab pick-up truck or SUV, dome light above the windshield, tall enough that it requires a step up to gain entry, floor-mounted console that was described as “fairly skinny” that opens in front, blue and red LED read-out on the radio, cloth seats, automatic transmission. There was a baby shoe on the front seat floor board. There were 8 ½” x 11” white pieces of paper with typing on the floor board of the front seat.


What sort of radio has blue and red LED read-out?

[dkny]

Originally posted by RachelRose


It doesn't sound like there's any enticing going on with him - just brute force grabbing. [/*]

With Bri, but it sounded diffrent w/other assaults. IMO

[Cookies]

Something is not right.If he walked in and took her...why didn't she scream?And he must have stalked her before?:shrug:

[Cookies]

http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20080128/NEWS01/198670093

"Suspect: White male, approximately 28 - 40 years, long face with a square chin, taller than 5’6” but not excessively so, very strong but not with a significantly muscular build, a belly that was described as not excessively large and firm but not flabby, an “innie” belly button, shaved pubic region, a light covering of hair on his arms, no jewelry or a watch, facial hair about a quarter to a half an inch long below his chin and was soft and not prickly as stubble normally is, unknown if he had a mustache, brown head hair of undetermined style, normal speech with no accent or regional dialect, no smoker’s breath, no alcohol, no bad breath, no cologne or after-shave."

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by RiverWalk
http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20080128/NEWS01/198670093

• Suspect vehicle: Extended cab pick-up truck or SUV, dome light above the windshield, tall enough that it requires a step up to gain entry, floor-mounted console that was described as “fairly skinny” that opens in front, blue and red LED read-out on the radio, cloth seats, automatic transmission. There was a baby shoe on the front seat floor board. There were 8 ½” x 11” white pieces of paper with typing on the floor board of the front seat.


What sort of radio has blue and red LED read-out? [/*]

WOW, I can't get over what a specific description they were able to come up with. Bless that poor girl for being so attentive and providing that info. :rose:

[Track292003]

Does anyone know:

Does the Suburban have any of the features described by the victim of the December attack? E.g., dome light over the windshield, step up to enter, etc.?

Also, do these features vary from model-year to model-year? The Suburban has been around for a l-o-n-g time!

I also wonder if the red and blue LED readout is a custom job that the owner might have "tweaked" himself rather than a standard feature.

TIA.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by RachelRose
Interesting statement about the DNA at the bottom of the article, in bold. They're not just guessing they've got his DNA.

http://www.krnv.com/global/story.asp?s=7781239

Interesting, too, about the shaved pubic hair. Seems kind of unusual. Maybe so he didn't leave any hairs behind as evidence? [/*]

I think you are correct RR. It is a growing trend among teens and young adults to shave their pubic area.(The things you learn on MySpace LOL) But I think in this case it was a attempt to avoid detection.

I also think the clothing was chosen with that in mind, easy access, and they sound like they have very tightly woven threads, less likely to leave fibers behind.

[SameHere1]

I wish they would bring up the reward money more often - anything that would help!

This is way beyond sad - and yes, the young woman who gave all the info on the suspect is amazing.

[mxma30]

as far as the radio display.. that just basically sounds like a cheap after market cd player that you could get from best buy.. nothing special.

[Cookies]

I wish I knew more about the girl assaulted in december. :rose:

[ruby]

I can't believe how vivid this previous victim's statement was....WOW. I always said if I were attacked, victimized, kidnapped that I would be super aware of every detail and leave a trail and clues where possible....but you never know how it will go down.

Kudos to this girl for having the courage to 1. report the assault and 2. for not wanting this to ever happen again and 3. for being so courageous to recall all the bad memories and details.

[ruby]

http://www.krnv.com/global/story.asp?s=7781239

As per the above article in regards to what she was wearing:

"...white tank top with pink angel wings with rhinestones on the back..." So sad....angels weren't watching out for her that night. :(

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by ruby
I can't believe how vivid this previous victim's statement was....WOW. I always said if I were attacked, victimized, kidnapped that I would be super aware of every detail and leave a trail and clues where possible....but you never know how it will go down.

Kudos to this girl for having the courage to 1. report the assault and 2. for not wanting this to ever happen again and 3. for being so courageous to recall all the bad memories and details. [/*]

ITA. I've always thought that too, but who knows what you'll act like or think of when you're in panic mode. I think this girl is an incredibly brave young lady, too. Because of her, the chances of finding Brianna are much, much higher.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he will return her like he did the other girl, but it's been over a week now....

On another note, how sickening that he may have a small child at home. I know that happens a lot, but it just makes me sick to my stomach.

JMO

[ruby]

Originally posted by Jpanda


ITA. I've always thought that too, but who knows what you'll act like or think of when you're in panic mode. I think this girl is an incredibly brave young lady, too. Because of her, the chances of finding Brianna are much, much higher.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he will return her like he did the other girl, but it's been over a week now....

On another note, how sickening that he may have a small child at home. I know that happens a lot, but it just makes me sick to my stomach.

JMO [/*]

A lot of people start with rape and end up as murderers unfortunately (Ie. Paul Bernardo).....About the previous victim though, did he TAKE her and then return her, or just assault her and leave her wherever it was? Is this MO different?

[Jpanda]

Upon further thinking, I can't help but wonder why they couldn't have released all this suspect's information sooner....I know one article I read said LE interviewed the prior victim again and just recently obtained all those details, but why wasn't that done before? Maybe if they had acted sooner and released all these details sooner, this could have been prevented....just thinking out loud....IMO

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by ruby


A lot of people start with rape and end up as murderers unfortunately (Ie. Paul Bernardo).....About the previous victim though, did he TAKE her and then return her, or just assault her and leave her wherever it was? Is this MO different? [/*]

I believe I read that he TOOK her someplace else, and then returned her. I'll look for a link, but I can't do too much internet surfing while at work...

[ruby]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I believe I read that he TOOK her someplace else, and then returned her. I'll look for a link, but I can't do too much internet surfing while at work... [/*]

hehe i am at work too, flipping back n forth :)

[RiverWalk]

http://www.secretwitness.com/cases/case_detail.php?cat_id=12

Lists cases in the area. :mad:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by ruby
I can't believe how vivid this previous victim's statement was....WOW. I always said if I were attacked, victimized, kidnapped that I would be super aware of every detail and leave a trail and clues where possible....but you never know how it will go down.

Kudos to this girl for having the courage to 1. report the assault and 2. for not wanting this to ever happen again and 3. for being so courageous to recall all the bad memories and details. [/*]

But....it kind of bothers me that she did not give all of these details after her attack. These details came out AFTER they found the DNA at KT's house and they went back and interviewed her again. So,why so much more detail now? Yes, maybe she just remembers more now...but why hadn't she gone to the police after she remembered more instead of them finding out all of this new detail by going to her? I hope her memory is right.....but a lot of this stuff she didn't remember after the initial attack.

[Track292003]

I read that the previous victim was WALKING in the neighborhood at about 3 a.m., and that surprised me! IIRC, the perp then took her someplace imn his vehicle and brought her back to her own house afterward.

Also, since it has been reported on another forum that she -- the previous victim -- has "left the country," perhaps she -- and the police -- felt they could release these details without placing her in greater danger from the perp.

Does anyone know if the previoius victim also shared a house with roommates? And when did she leave? Apparently this guy tried to break into that house January 19; I wonder if she was still living there at that time and only left after Brianna's abduction became known.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Jpanda
Upon further thinking, I can't help but wonder why they couldn't have released all this suspect's information sooner....I know one article I read said LE interviewed the prior victim again and just recently obtained all those details, but why wasn't that done before? Maybe if they had acted sooner and released all these details sooner, this could have been prevented....just thinking out loud....IMO [/*]

Not sure how it would have been prevented even with all of this detail. If the girls were not going to be any more careful about locking the door knowing there was a rapist out there....I don't think a description would have made them lock the door either.

But, from my understanding, they didn't interview this previous girl and get this new detail from her until the matched the DNA.

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by jokell
My post above should say a * name for the guy but instead it has a *.....sorry [/*]

In the event you didn't get an answer on this, it's a glitch in the system as we know it....jmo.:(

Interesting information Jokell. How long have you been reading?

[CANDYKISSES]

Originally posted by Nellie


But....it kind of bothers me that she did not give all of these details after her attack. These details came out AFTER they found the DNA at KT's house and they went back and interviewed her again. So,why so much more detail now? Yes, maybe she just remembers more now...but why hadn't she gone to the police after she remembered more instead of them finding out all of this new detail by going to her? I hope her memory is right.....but a lot of this stuff she didn't remember after the initial attack. [/*]

You know Nellie, I have found that to be hit or miss with young women remembering things later. It's the first recollections that usually pan out to be the most accurate, but some people block things out to get through a tragedy and slowly allow themselves to remember the pain, then there are others who THINK they remember particular things when stimulated by interviewers.

I hope she is in the first group and I hope and pray for a good outcome here. I am just not thinking it's likely given the attention the case generated and still no signs of a lviing Bri. :(

[Maelstrom5]

Does the following statement frost you as much as it does me?

"Idonas Hughes, a university administrator, said students need to be more vigilant now that police have information that the incident not isolated.

"Knowing this now students need to be ridiculously aware because ... now the threat is real," Hughes said."

Hello Idonas Hughes, the threat was real in November and it was reinforced in December, but only NOW you realize "the threat is real"?

Talk about your brain-dead academics, I am sure Hughes has a wall full of diplomas but does not have the common sense that god gave a ant!

This statement makes me wonder; how well were the students informed about this threat?

[ruby]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Does the following statement frost you as much as it does me?

"Idonas Hughes, a university administrator, said students need to be more vigilant now that police have information that the incident not isolated.

"Knowing this now students need to be ridiculously aware because ... now the threat is real," Hughes said."

Hello Idonas Hughes, the threat was real in November and it was reinforced in December, but only NOW you realize "the threat is real"?

Talk about your brain-dead academics, I am sure Hughes has a wall full of diplomas but does not have the common sense that god gave a ant!

This statement makes me wonder; how well were the students informed about this threat? [/*]

Yah what a dumbass....the threat is only real */c at least 2 girls have been raped/kidnapped? That's not right at all! People everywhere, should ALWAYS be aware that the threat of a predator is real. We're not safe anywhere. I'd never leave my doors unlocked. I don't leave them unlocked even when I am home and I don't answer the door if Im not expecting someone (and cant see who it is by peeking). I'm 26 years old and realise how 'at risk' I am....I did some stupid things when I was younger too, but I think I've always been somewhat safety conscious.

[Cookies]

Originally posted by ruby


Yah what a dumbass....the threat is only real */c at least 2 girls have been raped/kidnapped? That's not right at all! People everywhere, should ALWAYS be aware that the threat of a predator is real. We're not safe anywhere. I'd never leave my doors unlocked. I don't leave them unlocked even when I am home and I don't answer the door if Im not expecting someone (and cant see who it is by peeking). I'm 26 years old and realise how 'at risk' I am....I did some stupid things when I was younger too, but I think I've always been somewhat safety conscious. [/*]

You are absolutely right.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Does the following statement frost you as much as it does me?

"Idonas Hughes, a university administrator, said students need to be more vigilant now that police have information that the incident not isolated.

"Knowing this now students need to be ridiculously aware because ... now the threat is real," Hughes said."

Hello Idonas Hughes, the threat was real in November and it was reinforced in December, but only NOW you realize "the threat is real"?

Talk about your brain-dead academics, I am sure Hughes has a wall full of diplomas but does not have the common sense that god gave a ant!

This statement makes me wonder; how well were the students informed about this threat? [/*]

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I think he's always knows the risk was REAL, but he's trying to stress that to students who are very careless because they think it happens "to other people". I think he's warning them to not take ANY CHANCES...THAT IT COULD BE YOU NEXT! In spite of recent attacks, these girls still left their door unlocked. I think he's just trying to stress it to them to be careful...even to the point of feeling like they're being ridiculous. Don't walk alone! Don't leave your doors unlocked. Don't think it can't happen to you! I think that's his message here.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by Nellie


Not sure how it would have been prevented even with all of this detail. If the girls were not going to be any more careful about locking the door knowing there was a rapist out there....I don't think a description would have made them lock the door either.

But, from my understanding, they didn't interview this previous girl and get this new detail from her until the matched the DNA. [/*]

See, I meant that if LE had interviewed this girl extensively for a description the first time, and had given that info to the public, maybe someone would have turned him in before, thus Brianna would never have been kidnapped. JMO

[ruby]

Originally posted by Cookies


You are absolutely right. [/*]
Welcome to the boards Cookies :) mmm cookies! haha :)

[bred]

Could it be that the woman DID disclose all this info but LE chose NOT to release it all in Dec? Why no drawing yet? I'm visual and would like to see a picture.

How did he manage for her never to see his face? I didn't hear/read about a mask. Pretty risky. I know he would have threatened her with death if she looked at him...I'm just trying to imagine how everything happened in the truck and she never saw him.

[SpecialK]

Originally posted by bred


(snipped) Could it be that the woman DID disclose all this info but LE chose NOT to release it all in Dec? Why no drawing yet? I'm visual and would like to see a picture.

[/*]

I was just going to post the same thing. I am SURE they interviewed this girl at length after she was kidnapped and raped, FGS. LE has probably been looking for her perp since it happened. However, now they've got a missing girl AND the DNA to link the crimes. It has obviously moved up the ladder of importance in Reno and they're asking for the public's help.

[Breazy]

Checking in and catching up after a very busy weekend . . .

I'm feeling optimistic that this perp will be caught since LE has released the latest info. I just hope and pray that Brianna is still alive somewhere but must admit, not too optimistic about that. I do feel some sense of relief that I don't think this will go unsolved as so many others have.

I pray for Brianna's friends and family as they continue to seek answers and I pray the outcome is what we all hope for!!!!

[iluvmua]

don't they say that usually within 48 hours of someone being kidnapped they are more than likely not alive anymore?

[dkny]

Originally posted by iluvmua
don't they say that usually within 48 hours of someone being kidnapped they are more than likely not alive anymore? [/*]

Yes, but I hold onto hope because of Elizabeth Smart and Shawn Hornbeck. IMO

[dkny]

Originally posted by RachelRose
I would hold out hope too, except this man appears to have a normal seeming life with a family. Still, it may be that Brianna is alive somewhere.

I think this is a man whose wife is a nurse or who otherwise works very odd shifts, and he has all Saturday night into Sunday morning free because his baby is asleep, who he is supposed to be watching. I think he leaves and then goes on the prowl for victims at that time - and I don't think he would have anywhere to secure Brianna (unlike other antisocial perps who can stow a victim in the basement).

But I could be wrong. [/*]

Very brazen to go back to the one victims home, I wonder if he had 2nd thoughts and was going back to finish her off. IMO

[RiverWalk]

I am keeping the "faith" that Bri is alive. She may be injured/hurt and harmed beyond belief. I hope/pray and will keep my fingers/eyes/toes crossed that Bri is found safe. It has "only" been a week since Bri went missing. That's an eternity to family member(s). So sad.:(

Night. Maybe tomorrow we will know more?

[jokell]

Originally posted by CANDYKISSES


In the event you didn't get an answer on this, it's a glitch in the system as we know it....jmo.:(

Interesting information Jokell. How long have you been reading? [/*]

Thanks, someone else mentioned I can't use the letter Bee.:no:

I actually started having dreams a few years ago and then later realized that I can tune in while I'm awake and see things. It still freaks me out some. And the Meredith Emerson case really bothered me because I saw her alive when she actually was still alive and I knew he was going to kill her but there was nothing I could do but call in a tip with what info I had. Once my vision was confirmed I truly felt like vomiting. Thankfully though I did not "see" him kill her.

[wandering]

Originally posted by iluvmua
don't they say that usually within 48 hours of someone being kidnapped they are more than likely not alive anymore? [/*]Yes. I believe that is because it becomes difficult for the abductor to care for the victim's needs; food, shelter, bathroom, etc.

Not that those creeps do care about their victims, just that the victim becomes very inconvenient.

Also, they don't want the victim to "tell."

[Cookies]

Let's hope that this will be the day when Bri is found. :rose:

[Maelstrom5]

Hi All,

While it is true that most kidnappers who kill their victims do so within 2 hours to two days there are notable exceptions. dkny mentioned Elizabeth Smart and Shawn Hornbeck. Here are a few more cases.

The follow four news snippets show that on rare occasions woman can be kept alive; sometimes for years.

California: Colleen Stan; The girl in the Box

“In 1977, Cameron Hooker kidnapped 20-year-old hitchhiker Colleen Stan and forced her to be his sex slave for seven years of physical and psychological abuse. At times she was even kept in a coffin-like box under his and his wife Janice's bed.”

Connecticut: Danielle Cramer; The girl in the closet

June 6 2007
“A girl who has been missing for nearly a year was found alive and locked inside a hidden room in a West Hartford home, Bloomfield police said. Three people have been arrested in connection with the case.
Police identified the girl to News Channel 8 as Danielle Cramer, now 15, who went missing June 16, 2006.”

Pennsylvania; Tanya Kach The girl in the room

McKeesport, PA: 03-23-2006,

“Tanya Nicole Kach, 24, was discovered after she disclosed herself to a convenience store clerk, a retired police officer who recognized her real name. According to the story, she was abducted and held captive in a room of a middle school security guard and during the ten years she was there she was not allowed any contact with the outside world.”

Austria: Natascha Kampusch; the girl in the basement

08/25/2006
“It was just another order by the man who enslaved her for eight years, this time to vacuum his car. But Natascha Kampusch glimpsed a tiny window of opportunity — then bolted to freedom while her abductor was busy with a cell phone call.

Friday's police description of Kampusch's last moments in captivity added another tiny piece of the puzzle in Austria's most celebrated criminal case in recent memory, which began with the mysterious 1998 disappearance of a 10-year-old girl from an outlying Vienna district.”


The one thing all these women had in common was the ability to convince their abductor that they were with him by choice. Two knew their abductors before becoming captive and went with them initially by choice. Two were take against their will. But all four managed to convince the person of persons who held them that they wanted to be there.

If Brianna is to be found alive she needs to do the same thing. I believe this is why her family told her to STAY HEALTHY; it was code for “do whatever you have to do to survive.”

[bred]

Interesting info, M5. I sure hope Bri has accomplished the "convincing."

It's been over 24 hrs. since LE released all those details. Someone, somewhere is beginning to wonder about their mate, co-worker, neighbor, friend. It's happening.

[ruby]

Morning bloggers! Hoping that today is the day Brianna is found. :rose:

[Cookies]

Originally posted by bred
Interesting info, M5. I sure hope Bri has accomplished the "convincing."

It's been over 24 hrs. since LE released all those details. Someone, somewhere is beginning to wonder about their mate, co-worker, neighbor, friend. It's happening. [/*]

He WILL be found,imo.

Hoping.

[cherylt]

I know they usually say if you don't find a person within 48 hours, that they are probably no longer alive. But I thought I heard, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that his recent victim that lived WAS held somewhere. When he was "done" with her, he dropped her off. So it may be possible Brianna is still alive & being held somewhere.

Unless, he has seen all the exposure/media attention & has freaked out & got rid of her. The December victim didn't get all this press, & he let her go. I wonder what the November victim had to say...

Did everyone notice IF all 3 are related, he attacks on 19th or 20th of each month?!

His DNA tied in with the DNA found at the Brianna's abduction scene. So, the re-interviewed the 2nd? victim, & got a better description. That's how they found out the two crimes were related.

Initially, the police categorically DENIED her disappearance had anything to do with the other two recent victims even though all attacks happened in the same area within blocks of each other. :cuss: Maybe they were trying not to scare the public, but I would think they should have at least LOOKED into the facts before declaring the attacks were NOT related. Maybe the police are hoping the public won't remember they stated that in the beginning...

Brianna, I hope you are found alive and my thoughts/energy are with you...:rose:

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by RachelRose
I don't know why they keep circulating her picture everywhere. Her picture ads human touch to the story, everyone is curious to put a face to the story - BUT it's HIS picture that's of value.

Draw this sucker and circulate that already! What happened to Brianna will only be known when the public is able to identify this suspect. [/*]

RachelRose

From the news reports it sounds like neither pervious victim saw his face. In the second victims case she was knocked unconscious. It sounds like when she came to she was forced to not look at his face. She knows a lot about what was on the floor of the vehicle but is not sure if it is a SUV or pickup with a extended body for rear seats.

What they need to do is go back to the first case.

I first believed that both cases took place in the early morning hours but I was wrong. The first case took place in the early evening. They need to ask the general public to try to think back to that date and contact them if they were in the general area and saw anything strange.

He may have been seen getting into his vehicle after he failed to abduct that woman, and he would have been in a hurry to get out of the area. That may stand out in someone’s mind.

[SameHere1]

Yes, the DNA was found at the scene - but they haven't said what, exactly, it was they found.

Could have been hair, blood, semen or skin cells.....

They just haven't said - and probably shouldn't. They just KNOW that the two cases are now definitely linked and that is a very good thing.

Now someone step up with information on this suspect and collect the $100,000.00 reward! Get him off the streets! I'm really hoping today will bring many, many tips on this guy - a great description was given, IMO.

[GOTACLUE?]

They just had her uncle on tv on what is my channel 34 which is a FOX station. He asked that America join together for a prayer. But I missed when........:(

[arkie]

I've been following this story and reading all the questions. As far as the bear is concerned, I think he took it as a present to his little girl. As far as the rape, I think he raped her in the kitchen area on the blanket. It was to exposed and open to rape her on the couch and to close to the sleeping roommate friend. I think when he has visitation it causes him to strike out at women, angry, impluse to smash some female. The strong yet not muscular reminds me of a swimmer. I would look at paper delivery personell, a distributor. They generally pick up and disburse the morning papers for home delivery around that time.

[ALL RISE]

Originally posted by GOTACLUE?
They just had her uncle on tv on what is my channel 34 which is a FOX station. He asked that America join together for a prayer. But I missed when........:( [/*]

certainly we're all hoping and praying for the safe return of Bri..

If anyone hears anything, we'll post here...

Startling stats that were released on a program this a.m.

In the area Bri was staying...there are 1700 sex offenders. In the one mile area there are 100 sex offenders.

Mind boggling that anyone in that area wouldn't have been alerted to that fact and that all doors should be securely locked and not left open to these perps.

What a disservice to do to the people of that community..not to advise them to keep themselves safe!

:flamemad:

[KittyMom]

How common is it for the rape to be oral sex?

[KittyMom]

Originally posted by ALL RISE


certainly we're all hoping and praying for the safe return of Bri..

If anyone hears anything, we'll post here...

Startling stats that were released on a program this a.m.

In the area Bri was staying...there are 1700 sex offenders. In the one mile area there are 100 sex offenders.

Mind boggling that anyone in that area wouldn't have been alerted to that fact and that all doors should be securely locked and not left open to these perps.

What a disservice to do to the people of that community..not to advise them to keep themselves safe!

:flamemad: [/*]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/NEWS01/801290350/1321

This needs to be printed and given to all females in that area along with the stats you've mentioned. These women need to be educated.

[arkie]

I wouldn't know how common.Oral rape and anal rape seems fairly common acts during the same assualt. He might have took Bri simply because he didn't want to find another victem. Maybe since he shaves himself, she was on her cycle and he is holding her to complete the act. If he hit her while she was sleeping on the couch, its possible he rendered her "unable" to perform to his satisfaction and he just kept her. I say this because it appears he went back to one of his previous victems. If this holds, then she certainly is alive somewhere.

[bred]

I'm guessing that if she saw his face, she is gone. Hopefully I am wrong.

[Cookies]

Originally posted by bred
I'm guessing that if she saw his face, she is gone. Hopefully I am wrong. [/*]

I'm afraid you are right,but I hope you are wrong.Does this make any sense?:)


:rose: Free Bri

[ruby]

One of my cats names is Bree who has a very special place in my heart. I think that's why I am also attached to this case, lol, as lame as it sounds.

[wandering]

Originally posted by RachelRose


The second victim saw enough of his face to be able to describe it in some detail - and she would be able to identify body type, but MOST importantly that outfit. I'm just reading through it, and SHE knows what the outfit looks like, but not everyone reading those words would know and it's kind of unusual.

Also the radio in his vehicle is unsual - it would be good to have a visual of that.

And the baby's shoe. Is it the classic old white leather high top? A colored tennis shoe? A little moccasin?

Can we have a drawing of this unusual 2 foot tall bear holding balloons?

I think faces can be represented kind of blurred out, but the other stuff . . . visual would seem so helpful. [/*]Why would a perp take or allow Brianna to take a 2ft tall bear? :confused:

That would be hard to conceal. I wonder if it was discarded somewhere.

[ruby]

Originally posted by wandering
Why would a perp take or allow Brianna to take a 2ft tall bear? :confused:

That would be hard to conceal. I wonder if it was discarded somewhere. [/*]

Maybe he took it for his child???

[mxma30]

im confused about this 2nd victim. they got plenty of description about the inside of the vehicle.. but as we know the victim was dropped off by the perp. how were they unable to not get a type of veh, color of veh.. ect?