Brianna Denison, 19, UNR, Reno, 1/20/08[BODY FOUND]

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by happy2bme
Over at the findthemissing message boards someone posted a picture of the house inside and out. There was snow on the ground. Does anyone know if it was snowing when she dissapeared? If it was you'd think there would be foot prints. [/*]

It started snowing over the weekend but I believe it was at the end of the weekend. I think it started snowing the day after she disappeared if I remember correctly.

It has snowed in the past couple weeks though and not all of the snow has melted from around the city. There may have been snow that was leftover from a previous storm at her house.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Amy S.
Can people gamble legally in Reno at 19 and is it easy to get drinks at the casino? Would Brianna have had to have a fake ID?

When I was in Las Vegas recently, the Ballagio was really strict about the age of the patrons that were allowed on the gambling floor.

But they were also at a private party, iirc. [/*]

You cannot gamble or drink unless you are 21 in Reno. Usually the casinos are good about carding people however you can still get drinks underage if that is your intention. An older person can buy drinks and hand them over very easily.

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by omsk99


I think that the only similarity with those cases are that they happened within 2-3 blocks and at 4-5 am. The MO is different, the guy grabbed the girls from behind, sexually assaulted or tried to , and let them go. There were no home invasions or abductions. [/*]


I agree. They do not seem similar except location. We have had several attacks and rapes/ attempted rapes near the university not just these two. Those are the most recent and unsolved but it is nothing uncommon. I do not think they are related. Odds are still good that it is someone who knew her (or maybe just saw her that night) or possibly a sex offender but that is less likely in my mind (or maybe I just hope it is less likely because it is more frightening!!)

[Breazy]

On Greta tonight, Mark Fuhrman (sp?) was talking to KT at the house. KT said when her and Brianna got home, her friend (Jessica?) was already passed out in her bed and rather than all three sleep in one bed, Brianna offered to sleep on the couch. I had also assumed that Jessica was one of the roommates but apparently not. The other three roommates, 2 male and 1 female, were not there that night.

[butterfly28]

The last known communication Denison made was at 4:23 a.m. Sunday in a text message to her boyfriend in Oregon. He has been cleared as a suspect.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080123/NEWS01/80123061&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

I'm not sure if I missed this in a previous article, but I did not know she had sent a text message at 4:23 a.m.

[febreze]

pray this young girl is found alive and well. so scarey how trusting young people are, there is so many things parents need to talk to their children about and you can only pray they will listen. making sure doors are locked is certainly one thing but, there is so much more .
keeping your car doors locked at all times, even when not in use.
not going off alone, always go with a friend
and so much more.
we should start a thread on all the things parents need to tell their children in the hopes they will be safe, i'm just not sure where it should be posted.
There are so many things i wish my own children would discuss with their children (now tenagers) but, the usually answer is i don't want to scare then, i rather scare them then lose them.

[bred]

Febreze, you are so right.

Fell asleep and missed Greta! Interesting that actually 2 males and 2 females live in that house AND a very barky dog. If Brianna was abducted, the perp was pretty daring. He could have opened the sliding door, awakened the dog, AND the 250 lb. guy sleeping on the floor next to Brianna. Perp probably couldn't see much from outside. Took quite a chance. Unless, of course, he knew who/what was inside.

[Rick777]

So the scent dogs picked up nothing. Nothing at all in any direction.

maybe the nervous acting friends of Brianna know she never actually made it home that night.

[Maelstrom5]

wandering

Good catch on the NG show information. I tried to find a early news story I saw which said basically the same thing ,although it did not mention mucus specifically. I was unable to locate it but I know it mentions other substances. That’s why in my first post about the pillow/bear I said blood or other genetic material.

This combination could mean any number of things, one of which is drug overdose. In particular Ecstasy overdose .

I have done some research into X on behalf of the family of Danielle Dawn McCarthy, 16 . Danielle died on the morning of Jan. 1 2007. She had never taken the drug before but the people who gave it to her had her “stack” it. The cause of death was acute ecstasy overdose. Two people were charged in her death, one has already pleaded guilty to controlled substance homicide. The other goes on trial in a few days charged with two counts; controlled substance homicide, and first degree manslaughter. Long before Danielle passed she showed the classic signs of a ecstasy overdose, one of which is vomiting, by the time she went into seizures her stomach was empty but the couch she was on showed reminisce of what had gone on before, not unlike what may have been found on the pillow

There is nothing at this time to suggest that drugs played any part in Brianna’s disappearance, and the fact she was texting at 4:23 am leads me to believe this is not the case .

What it does suggest to me is there was a brief struggle and the pillow and or bear was used to silence her. Why the blanket would be found in the kitchen is a bit of a mystery. Maybe Brianna had gotten up to get a drink of water and had the blanket rapped around her to keep her warm, and she was first attacked there.

[Rick777]

There seems to be a new theory running around other messege boards that might make some sense.

Brianna came home very drunk...to the point of being toxic, which explains the mix of blood and mucus on the pillow. She died on the couch, and her friends panick...knowing they were all drinking with her and fear being accused, and being part of her death.

That would explain the non barking dog, blood and mucus on pillow, her things left behind.

Hmmmmmmmm

[carterkatt]

Interesting theory.... where would friends put her body? In a time of panic, where do you/anyone think they may have gone?

I know college kids do some things without thinking.. but to sleep there in the "open" - no curtains on all those doors... and the doors UNLOCKED??? Not thinking clearly? Or "nothing can happen to me" mentality?

[happy2bme]

Originally posted by Rick777
There seems to be a new theory running around other messege boards that might make some sense.

Brianna came home very drunk...to the point of being toxic, which explains the mix of blood and mucus on the pillow. She died on the couch, and her friends panick...knowing they were all drinking with her and fear being accused, and being part of her death.

That would explain the non barking dog, blood and mucus on pillow, her things left behind.

Hmmmmmmmm [/*]


good morning everyone. I see there still is not much happening..


I can see the theory above happening...slightly...but if that is the case maybe they thought they would not be blamed and the focus would go toward the 2 assaults that had taken place in the area?

[happy2bme]

Originally posted by carterkatt
Interesting theory.... where would friends put her body? In a time of panic, where do you/anyone think they may have gone?

I know college kids do some things without thinking.. but to sleep there in the "open" - no curtains on all those doors... and the doors UNLOCKED??? Not thinking clearly? Or "nothing can happen to me" mentality? [/*]


The whole sleeping in the "open" part is what really blows me away. My living room has 5 large windows plus one on the door. I have no curtains or shades on them. I have in the past been watching tv with my husband and fallen asleep on the couch and wake up to see that he had gotten up and went to bed without waking me up. It freaks me out to even think who could have been standing outside watching me. I guess I am just a big ole :chicken:

[carterkatt]

Originally posted by happy2bme



The whole sleeping in the "open" part is what really blows me away. My living room has 5 large windows plus one on the door. I have no curtains or shades on them. I have in the past been watching tv with my husband and fallen asleep on the couch and wake up to see that he had gotten up and went to bed without waking me up. It freaks me out to even think who could have been standing outside watching me. I guess I am just a big ole :chicken: [/*]

I have no living room curtains either.. but I live in the middle of the woods... not visible to road, no neighbors, etc.... and even that took some getting used to!

[Amy S.]

I certainly hope that the home has been throughly searched by professionals (attic, crawl space, air duct). We have heard stranger stories where a body is right in the house.

I hadn't thought about alcohol poisoning or X. The young ladies need to be questioned seperately by the police.

[Rick777]

Originally posted by carterkatt
Interesting theory.... where would friends put her body? In a time of panic, where do you/anyone think they may have gone?

I know college kids do some things without thinking.. but to sleep there in the "open" - no curtains on all those doors... and the doors UNLOCKED??? Not thinking clearly? Or "nothing can happen to me" mentality? [/*]


Yet.....K.T's room within the house WAS locked. Strange...

[wandering]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
wandering

Good catch on the NG show information. I tried to find a early news story I saw which said basically the same thing ,although it did not mention mucus specifically. I was unable to locate it but I know it mentions other substances. That’s why in my first post about the pillow/bear I said blood or other genetic material.

This combination could mean any number of things, one of which is drug overdose. In particular Ecstasy overdose .

I have done some research into X on behalf of the family of Danielle Dawn McCarthy, 16 . Danielle died on the morning of Jan. 1 2007. She had never taken the drug before but the people who gave it to her had her “stack” it. The cause of death was acute ecstasy overdose. Two people were charged in her death, one has already pleaded guilty to controlled substance homicide. The other goes on trial in a few days charged with two counts; controlled substance homicide, and first degree manslaughter. Long before Danielle passed she showed the classic signs of a ecstasy overdose, one of which is vomiting, by the time she went into seizures her stomach was empty but the couch she was on showed reminisce of what had gone on before, not unlike what may have been found on the pillow

There is nothing at this time to suggest that drugs played any part in Brianna’s disappearance, and the fact she was texting at 4:23 am leads me to believe this is not the case .

What it does suggest to me is there was a brief struggle and the pillow and or bear was used to silence her. Why the blanket would be found in the kitchen is a bit of a mystery. Maybe Brianna had gotten up to get a drink of water and had the blanket rapped around her to keep her warm, and she was first attacked there. [/*]Very good thoughts, Maelstrom. I'm leaning towards it being someone she knew. The blanket in the kitchen could very well be exactly what you're saying.
Can one text when drunk/on drugs? The people she was texting with should be able to provide LE with info on her mood that AM, whether her normal mode or high.

[Maelstrom5]

Rick777

Your theory makes sense, but If Brianna died of acute Alcohol poisoning why was she able to text at 4:23 am?

I guess the onset could have taken place after that message, and the reason to fake a abduction was because someone else bought her the booze.

I have noted that KT has said since the first news reports that,
"Brianna was not drunk"
She seems to feel a need to mention that fact whenever the press question her.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Amy S.
I certainly hope that the home has been throughly searched by professionals (attic, crawl space, air duct). We have heard stranger stories where a body is right in the house.

I hadn't thought about alcohol poisoning or X. The young ladies need to be questioned seperately by the police. [/*]Yep. I watched one interview, can't remember which girl, but I found her a bit agitated and defensive.

[Rick777]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Rick777

Your theory makes sense, but If Brianna died of acute Alcohol poisoning why was she able to text at 4:23 am?

I guess the onset could have taken place after that message, and the reason to fake a abduction was because someone else bought her the booze.

I have noted that KT has said since the first news reports that,
"Brianna was not drunk"
She seems to feel a need to mention that fact whenever the press question her. [/*]



yeah...the two things that the roomies jump at are "She was not drunk", and the 45 year old stranger "Was really normal and had nothing to do with it."

[carterkatt]

Originally posted by Rick777




yeah...the two things that the roomies jump at are "She was not drunk", and the 45 year old stranger "Was really normal and had nothing to do with it." [/*]

Just another example of not good judgement.. .riding with a stranger that "looked ok"... Ted Bundy also "looked ok"...!

[Rick777]

Originally posted by carterkatt


Just another example of not good judgement.. .riding with a stranger that "looked ok"... Ted Bundy also "looked ok"...! [/*]


We live in a world where we use a lie-detector test for a gameshow, but we clear everyone in criminal cases based on interviews. :shrug:

[happy2bme]

Originally posted by Rick777



We live in a world where we use a lie-detector test for a gameshow, but we clear everyone in criminal cases based on interviews. :shrug: [/*]


And what a crazy world it is.

[Breazy]

Does anybody else think it strange that media reports from the inception of this case have billed this as a sorority house with girls coming and going but yet it's disclosed on Greta last night that the roommates are actually 2 male and 2 female? When trying to figure out what may have happend, that fact makes things different in my mind. If someone had been casing the house, they would have known that there were also males coming and going. To me, that makes that scenario less likely.

[SpecialK]

Originally posted by bred
Febreze, you are so right.

Fell asleep and missed Greta! Interesting that actually 2 males and 2 females live in that house AND a very barky dog. If Brianna was abducted, the perp was pretty daring. He could have opened the sliding door, awakened the dog, AND the 250 lb. guy sleeping on the floor next to Brianna. Perp probably couldn't see much from outside. Took quite a chance. Unless, of course, he knew who/what was inside. [/*]

The articles said the 2 male roommates weren't there at the time. I didn't see a mention of a 250 lb. guy sleeping on the floor next to Brianna?? And the dog was locked in the bedroom with the owner (KT?) so I suppose it's possible the dog didn't hear anything...

[Amy S.]

I see no evidence from the outside of the house that it was a sorority house, although I heard that too.

These houses are rented room by room. Any of us could rent a room, if we wanted. Everyone that rents there and has rented there, really needs investigated.

The rooms are short term rentals and turn over is frequent. Rent runs cheap - like $300/month.

All bedrooms are seperately keyed and sometimes lock behind you. (Think dorm room.)

But, 100s of people could have lived there in the past.

[Nellie]

So where are the two male roommates at this time? There's been no mention of them.....not even in questioning their whereabouts that night.

This whole case seems stranged and I'm not thinking it's any kind of stranger abduction. Personally, I think her girlfriends know what has happened to her. I could be wrong....but I'm just not feeling like her friends are being truthful.

Are these male roommates staying back at the house again? Are these girls still living in the house they believe their friend was abducted from? Now think about that. Would YOU stay in a house where you believe someone came in the middle of the night and kidnapped your friend? I'd be too freaked to stay there! :eek: I wouldn't be able to go to sleep in that house if I truly believed some stranger came in and took her.

I think the girlfriend on Greta last night is about to break. Ut until last night she seemed to have it "all together" but last night she couldn't even keep her thoughts together and broke down. I felt it was more from pressure than about her friend.

Nothing will surprise me in this case.....even the possibility of drug overdose or alcohol poisoning. And if there were two males that live in that house, they could have helped hide her body. I hate to think that way, but strange things do happen.

Seems strange that the dog didn't even smell her scent. Maybe she didn't even come to that house that night. What about this party? I heard it was a private party. Was it at a house or where? I wonder if LE has checked for any evidence of her there.

Something just isn't "right" about this case. Something just isn't "right" about these friends.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by SpecialK


The articles said the 2 male roommates weren't there at the time. I didn't see a mention of a 250 lb. guy sleeping on the floor next to Brianna?? And the dog was locked in the bedroom with the owner (KT?) so I suppose it's possible the dog didn't hear anything... [/*]

So, just where were these 2 male roommates? Have they been cleared like the ex boyfriend and the stranger who gave the ride home?

[carterkatt]

Not sure where I heard this (Greta???) -- but I thought the male roomies were in CA. Does anyone know this and have the link?

[Rick777]

If the police felt this was anything but an inside job, they would be warning the city of Reno about locking doors, traveling in groups, etc. There seems no urgency in that direction. Am I wrong?

[Breazy]

KT said on Greta last night that the 2 male AND other female roommate were all out of town. Jessica didn't actually live there. In a report earlier in the week, it was also reported that KT was packing to move out.

[Breazy]

I'm going to check Greta transcripts to confirm where 2 males actually were . . . will post.

This is the first time I've heard there were male roommates. Don't know if they've been questioned and cleared.

[Maelstrom5]

Nellie

I think I saw somewhere that KT had moved out of the house because she no longer feels safe. There have been so many articles written that finding that one is like looking for a needle in a haystack., but I believe it was reported she has moved out.

I agree with you everything about this case seems strange. If the women had said they had been drinking, then getting a ride home from a 45 year-old stranger, leaving the outside door unlocked, and not hearing anything including the dog barking would make sense. But none of those actions seem plausible if, as they claim, everyone were sober.

BTW in one previous post it was stated that when they got home Jessica was “passed out” and that’s why Brianna ended up sleeping in the living room. Does anyone have the news/TV story that quote was from?

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Nellie

[respectfully snipped]

BTW in one previous post it was stated that when they got home Jessica was “passed out” and that’s why Brianna ended up sleeping in the living room. Does anyone have the news/TV story that quote was from? [/*]

I was the one that posted that and those were the EXACT words KT used . . . "passed out." She stated this on Greta last night when talking to Mark Fuhrman. When I checked for transcript earlier, it was not yet posted. Will keep checking and post.

[Maelstrom5]

Hi Breezy,

I went back and checked your post. I did not see the show but I have since gotten a PM from someone else who heard the same thing you did. It jumped out for this person just like I suspect it jumped out for you because the women continue to profess that they were sober

[Breazy]

I wanted to clarify that KT didn't actually say Jessica was passed out in her bed . . . she stated that "her friend" was "passed out" . . . I'm assuming it was Jessica.

[Nellie]

These girlfriends seem to like the camera. It's almost like "if they say it enough people will believe it".

[LizzieCat]

Originally posted by wandering
Very good thoughts, Maelstrom. I'm leaning towards it being someone she knew. The blanket in the kitchen could very well be exactly what you're saying.
Can one text when drunk/on drugs? The people she was texting with should be able to provide LE with info on her mood that AM, whether her normal mode or high. [/*]

Of course one can text when drunk or on drugs. Unless one has passed out or lost motor control.

[Track292003]

Originally posted by Breazy
I'm going to check Greta transcripts to confirm where 2 males actually were . . . will post.

This is the first time I've heard there were male roommates. Don't know if they've been questioned and cleared. [/*]

I heard (on TV news, either Fox or Headline News) that the male roommates were both in Oakland, California, at the time of Brianna's disappearance.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by LizzieCat


Of course one can text when drunk or on drugs. Unless one has passed out or lost motor control. [/*]

Lizziecat,

After I posted that I thought about that fact. It may explain why the police were reviewing the text messages from Brianna. They may have gotten more confusing and incomprehensible as the night went on.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Track292003


I heard (on TV news, either Fox or Headline News) that the male roommates were both in Oakland, California, at the time of Brianna's disappearance. [/*]


Thank you.

[LostinSpace]

Originally posted by LizzieCat


Of course one can text when drunk or on drugs. Unless one has passed out or lost motor control. [/*]


Or someone else could text from her phone...

[Snoopy50]

Originally posted by carterkatt


Just another example of not good judgement.. .riding with a stranger that "looked ok"... Ted Bundy also "looked ok"...! [/*]
Ted Bundy looked VERY okay.......he killed one of my childhood friends.:(

[happy2bme]

Originally posted by LostinSpace



Or someone else could text from her phone... [/*]

Thats what I was thinking.

[bred]

SpecialK...you misunderstood my post...I meant that an intruder had no way of knowing that there WASN'T a big guy sleeping next to Brianna and couldn't know that the dog WOULDN'T bark. That's why I said he was pretty daring. Don't want to start rumors here! I really am beginning to question there ever was an intruder.

[Amy S.]

Yeah, Lost you are right. Maybe someone else was texting.

My 19 yr. old had a recent break up and the non-sense started with the texting. I told her that communicating with him was only making it worse and to change her number or something, but to not continue.

I guess the texts will show if there are threats, etc. - or if she says "I am so drunk", etc.

My sympathies to her family. In no way am I insinuating that Brianna is at fault. There but for the grace of God, goes I.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Breazy
On Greta tonight, Mark Fuhrman (sp?) was talking to KT at the house. KT said when her and Brianna got home, her friend (Jessica?) was already passed out in her bed and rather than all three sleep in one bed, Brianna offered to sleep on the couch. I had also assumed that Jessica was one of the roommates but apparently not. The other three roommates, 2 male and 1 female, were not there that night. [/*]

Breazy

Who is the third person? We know that there are suppose to be three people in the house. Jessica "passed out" sleeping upstairs, KT sleeping in her room downstairs, and Brianna sleeping on the couch.

Why would three people be forced to sleep in one bed? Could there be someone else in Jessica's bed? If so who?

[bred]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Jessica got home first and fell asleep in KT's bed/room. In come KT and Brianna and there's only room for 1 more in KT's room so Brianna offers to sleep on the couch. The other rooms were probably locked as those roomers were gone. I think Jessica is a friend of KT's and she needed a place to sleep Sat. night...as did Brianna.

[Maelstrom5]

bred

KT lives in the house and the room she described as "her" room is downstairs. Jessica was sleeping upstairs in another roommates bedroom.

My question is why would KT say that Brianna offered to sleep on the couch so three people would not have to sleep in one bed upstairs, when that should have been a question of one or two people sharing the bed, not three.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
bred

KT lives in the house and the room she described as "her" room is downstairs. Jessica was sleeping upstairs in another roommates bedroom.

My question is why would KT say that Brianna offered to sleep on the couch so three people would not have to sleep in one bed upstairs, when that should have been a question of one or two people sharing the bed, not three. [/*]

Hi! It was my understanding from Greta last night (I can't find a link cause I'm at work) that Jessica does NOT live there, and that she was asleep in KT's bed. The bed wasn't big enough for three people, so Brianna offered to sleep on the couch....can anyone else back that up? TIA!

[mxma30]

i rule out the theory that brianna died from alcohol/drugs and her friends being afraid of being accused.. an autopsy would determine that..

i would rather be accused of drugs and drinking than disposing a body..

[Breazy]

When KT said last night on Greta that her friend was passed out in her bed so Brianna offered to sleep on the couch, I just assumed she was talking about Jessica. Jessica did not live in the house. She, like Brianna, was just sleeping over. Did early reports state Jessica was sleeping upstairs? I can't really remember but it seems like they did. If Jessica was indeed upstairs, wonder who was in KT's bed? :shrug: These conflicting reports make me question these girls' story all the more . . .

[Breazy]

Originally posted by bred
Correct me if I'm wrong. Jessica got home first and fell asleep in KT's bed/room. In come KT and Brianna and there's only room for 1 more in KT's room so Brianna offers to sleep on the couch. The other rooms were probably locked as those roomers were gone. I think Jessica is a friend of KT's and she needed a place to sleep Sat. night...as did Brianna. [/*]


That's the way I understood it.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by mxma30
i rule out the theory that brianna died from alcohol/drugs and her friends being afraid of being accused.. an autopsy would determine that..

i would rather be accused of drugs and drinking than disposing a body.. [/*]

I tend to think that way too, but then again I guess anything is possible, and I don't think we can rule it out just yet. JMO

[Breazy]

Another thing that has me curious . . .

In the early reports, KT and Jessica stated that when they initially got up, they didn't think much about Brianna being gone, thinking she just went upstairs to sleep. If these roommates were, according to KT, different people living different lives and they were all out of town, their rooms would have been locked and Brianna would not have been able to get in. If one or more had been left unlocked so someone could sleep, why wouldn't Brianna have initially gone there to sleep rather than on the couch?

Another thing . . . Jessica originally stated that she went home early because she had to go to work early the next morning. If she was going to work early, why would she still be there at 9 a.m. making breakfast?

These girls need to come clean and tell the truth!!!

[Amy S.]

Early for college girls, is noon. :)

[LostinSpace]

Originally posted by Breazy
Another thing that has me curious . . .

In the early reports, KT and Jessica stated that when they initially got up, they didn't think much about Brianna being gone, thinking she just went upstairs to sleep. If these roommates were, according to KT, different people living different lives and they were all out of town, their rooms would have been locked and Brianna would not have been able to get in. If one or more had been left unlocked so someone could sleep, why wouldn't Brianna have initially gone there to sleep rather than on the couch?

Another thing . . . Jessica originally stated that she went home early because she had to go to work early the next morning. If she was going to work early, why would she still be there at 9 a.m. making breakfast?

These girls need to come clean and tell the truth!!! [/*]

These girls were supposedly out very late so what were they doing up at 9:00 am? Most kids I know that age would be asleep til noon. :confused:

[mxma30]

Originally posted by Breazy
Another thing that has me curious . . .

In the early reports, KT and Jessica stated that when they initially got up, they didn't think much about Brianna being gone, thinking she just went upstairs to sleep. If these roommates were, according to KT, different people living different lives and they were all out of town, their rooms would have been locked and Brianna would not have been able to get in. If one or more had been left unlocked so someone could sleep, why wouldn't Brianna have initially gone there to sleep rather than on the couch?

Another thing . . . Jessica originally stated that she went home early because she had to go to work early the next morning. If she was going to work early, why would she still be there at 9 a.m. making breakfast?

These girls need to come clean and tell the truth!!! [/*]

doesnt change anything.. but i am 22 years old and working at NOON is early to me. expecially if i go to sleep past midnight.

[Rick777]

We honestly don't even know if Brianna came home at all that night.

[bred]

Breazy, you got it!!!! I forgot that that statement was made. They can't have it both ways...unavailable and locked, or open and Brianna must be in there. Somebody get that question to Greta in case they're on again tonight!

[omsk99]

Morning all! :seeya:

A few recent links, although quite discouraging, no leads, no clues...

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/14141832.html

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7765782

http://actionnooz.com/news/?p=353

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hA_DEEClMpRwsFr29Un8v3z-yCtwD8UC8T1O0

http://www.kmph.com/Global/story.asp?S=7766852&nav=menu612_2

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080124/NEWS01/801240347/1016/NEWS

[mxma30]

Originally posted by Rick777
We honestly don't even know if Brianna came home at all that night. [/*]

think about this then.. was she at the party with no shoes? without her phone? without her purse?

unless her friends brought these items home for her.. im pretty sure she made it to the house that night..

[Rick777]

Originally posted by mxma30


think about this then.. was she at the party with no shoes? without her phone? without her purse?

unless her friends brought these items home for her.. im pretty sure she made it to the house that night.. [/*]

Girls have 100 pair of shoes minimum. the other stuff...yeah...good point.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by mxma30


doesnt change anything.. but i am 22 years old and working at NOON is early to me. expecially if i go to sleep past midnight. [/*]

Good point (I'm 25 so I hear ya!)....I don't think there is anything suspicious with that. The ONLY thing that throws me off where her friends are concerned, is the fact that the dogs couldn't catch her scent AND the fact that Mark F. made it very clear that there was more partying going on than what is being reported...Other than that, I don't find them to be suspicious on national TV...I know I'd definitely be a nervous wreck going on live TV, no matter what it was for. JMO

[mxma30]

Originally posted by Breazy
Another thing that has me curious . . .

In the early reports, KT and Jessica stated that when they initially got up, they didn't think much about Brianna being gone, thinking she just went upstairs to sleep. If these roommates were, according to KT, different people living different lives and they were all out of town, their rooms would have been locked and Brianna would not have been able to get in. If one or more had been left unlocked so someone could sleep, why wouldn't Brianna have initially gone there to sleep rather than on the couch?

Another thing . . . Jessica originally stated that she went home early because she had to go to work early the next morning. If she was going to work early, why would she still be there at 9 a.m. making breakfast?

These girls need to come clean and tell the truth!!! [/*]

if i am at a friends house, and another person whom lives there is not at home.. i dont just go sleep in their bed. especially if it is someone i do not know

[Rick777]

The scent dogs didn't pick up a thing in a three block area.

She was carried?

She never came home?

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by Rick777
The scent dogs didn't pick up a thing in a three block area.

She was carried?

She never came home? [/*]

Does anyone on here know anything about search dogs? I wish we could find out if there could be another reason for the dogs not picking up her scent.

[Rick777]

Why are the friends doing T.V. shows and not organizing some kind of search? Ususally people are coming together to search the area. Are they?

[Maelstrom5]

Hi all,

I tried to pin down the sleeping arrangements, in a news report.

Unfortunately they are all over the place. Here is part of one from the AP:

"Brianna Denison was last seen around 4 a.m. Sunday when she went to sleep on the sofa at a friend's house near the University of Nevada in Reno. The two had been at a party at the Sands Regency Hotel Casino earlier in the night. The friend gave Denison a blanket and pillow before going upstairs to bed.

When the friend came downstairs later in the day, Denison was missing and a bloodstain the size of a "silver dollar" was on the pillow she had been using, Lt. Robert Macdonald, a spokesman for the Reno Police Department, told ABC News."

We know that KT was the person who came home with Brianna and gave her the blanket and pillow. We also know that KT's room is downstairs, one wall abuts the couch were Brianna was sleeping. So there was no reason for her to go Upstairs or come downstairs as this news report states. But if this reporter got the two friends mixed up and it was Jessica who came downstairs then it makes sense

[Breazy]

Originally posted by mxma30


if i am at a friends house, and another person whom lives there is not at home.. i dont just go sleep in their bed. especially if it is someone i do not know [/*]


Neither would I. The girls are the ones who stated that when they got up, they at first thought Brianna may have gone upstairs to a bed. If I had been Brianna, I would have made a pallet on the floor of KT's room rather than sleep outside her locked bedroom!!

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Hi all,

[respectfully snipped]

We know that KT was the person who came home with Brianna and gave her the blanket and pillow. We also know that KT's room is downstairs, one wall abuts the couch were Brianna was sleeping. So there was no reason for her to go Upstairs or come downstairs as this news report states. But if this reporter got the two friends mixed up and it was Jessica who came downstairs then it makes sense [/*]


If Jessica was sleeping upstairs, which was initially reported, who was asleep in KT's bed when she and Brianna came home?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rick777


Girls have 100 pair of shoes minimum. the other stuff...yeah...good point. [/*]

She didn't live there, she brought two pairs of shoes with her, and both were at the house. So were the socks.

[Rick777]

Originally posted by omsk99


She didn't live there, she brought two pairs of shoes with her, and both were at the house. So were the socks. [/*]


it was quote unquote like a "Sorority house" with people coming and going all the time. I'm sure she kept stuff there.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Breazy



If Jessica was sleeping upstairs, which was initially reported, who was asleep in KT's bed when she and Brianna came home? [/*]

Why do you think someone was in K.T.'s bedroom while she was at the party?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rick777



it was quote unquote like a "Sorority house" with people coming and going all the time. I'm sure she kept stuff there. [/*]

Yes, and it's been reported what she kept there were 2 pairs of shoes, whether she brought them with her, or they were there (well, I imagine she at least brought one pair she had to wear during the travel to Nevada).

[omsk99]

Originally posted by RachelRose


That does make sense. The thing is, it's not unheard of to charge someone who provides the alcohol with manslaughter or even murder.

If this is what happened, whoever gave her the alcohol had REAL reason to fear they would be seeing prison time.

Interesting.

edited to add: But if she was sending coherent text messages at 4:23, she wasn't deathly drunk. [/*]

LE will be able to determine level of alcohol in her system, from everything I hear she was sober. If she died because she was drunk, I don't why there would be blood.

[omsk99]

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/14224872.html

[Breazy]

Originally posted by omsk99


Why do you think someone was in K.T.'s bedroom while she was at the party? [/*]


KT stated to Mark Fuhrman on Greta last night that when she and Brianna arrived home, her friend was passed out in her bed so Brianna offered to just sleep on the couch rather than all three trying to sleep in bed. I assumed "friend" meant Jessica, but now not so sure since it had been reported that Jessica was sleeping upstairs.

[RiverWalk]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,325313,00.html

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Breazy



KT stated to Mark Fuhrman on Greta last night that when she and Brianna arrived home, her friend was passed out in her bed so Brianna offered to just sleep on the couch rather than all three trying to sleep in bed. I assumed "friend" meant Jessica, but now not so sure since it had been reported that Jessica was sleeping upstairs. [/*]

Oh, thanks, I didn't see that last night. My, so much misreporting in this case. K.T. said so many times before she slept in her bedroom, against the wall from the couch, or maybe she just said it was her bedroom, without implying she slept in it?.. One room was vacant at the time, but since they knocked om the door to see if Brianna is there, it means K.T. didn't sleep there. Too confusing :confused:

[RiverWalk]

http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

Scroll down for the video and click on MF's face.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by RiverWalk
http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

Scroll down for the video and click on MF's face. [/*]

Tnank you! :seeya: Will have to listen at home as I am at work right now, but will read the transcript.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by omsk99


Tnank you! :seeya: Will have to listen at home as I am at work right now, but will read the transcript. [/*]

The transcript is only partial unfortunately.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


The transcript is only partial unfortunately. [/*]

Thanks anyway :)

One thing from the transcript which I also find confusing:

"There is really no indication if Brianna had her head towards the right here of the couch or the left. We would assume that it was here."

Wasn't the pillow found on the couch? If so, that would indicate on which side she slept :confused:

[Breazy]

Originally posted by RiverWalk
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,325313,00.html [/*]

This is the transcript for Tuesday night's show, not last night. I have been checking every hour or so for last night's but haven't been able to find. The video you linked is also from Tuesday night, not last night.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by omsk99


Thanks anyway :)

One thing from the transcript which I also find confusing:

"There is really no indication if Brianna had her head towards the right here of the couch or the left. We would assume that it was here."

Wasn't the pillow found on the couch? If so, that would indicate on which side she slept :confused: [/*]

Yes, but the pillow is in the possession of the crime lab and isn't at the scene now.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by omsk99


Oh, thanks, I didn't see that last night. My, so much misreporting in this case. K.T. said so many times before she slept in her bedroom, against the wall from the couch, or maybe she just said it was her bedroom, without implying she slept in it?.. One room was vacant at the time, but since they knocked om the door to see if Brianna is there, it means K.T. didn't sleep there. Too confusing :confused: [/*]

KT Did sleep in her bed with the friend who had already passed out there.

[mxma30]

was it said that brianna did not have a car at this house? if not, how was she planning on leaving in the morning? was her car parked somewhere nearby?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by mxma30
was it said that brianna did not have a car at this house? if not, how was she planning on leaving in the morning? was her car parked somewhere nearby? [/*]

I believe it was in a shop, IIRC.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Breazy


KT Did sleep in her bed with the friend who had already passed out there. [/*]

Since Jessica wasn't a roommate, I guess she slept in Melissa's or other roommates' bed, not that it's important, it's just confusing.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by mxma30
was it said that brianna did not have a car at this house? if not, how was she planning on leaving in the morning? was her car parked somewhere nearby? [/*]

Her car was in the shop:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324905,00.html

[Breazy]

Originally posted by mxma30
was it said that brianna did not have a car at this house? if not, how was she planning on leaving in the morning? was her car parked somewhere nearby? [/*]


Not sure how she was planning on leaving, but KT stated that Brianna's car was in the shop. Brianna was from Reno, just didn't attend school there. Maybe she was riding back to school with someone else.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by omsk99


Since Jessica wasn't a roommate, I guess she slept in Melissa's or other roommates' bed, not that it's important, it's just confusing. [/*]


But if this is correct, who was passed out in KT's bed?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Breazy



But if this is correct, who was passed out in KT's bed? [/*]

Oh, I know... if it was Jessica, then why was she upstairs later???

[RiverWalk]

This link seems to have started the confusion of who slept where:

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080123/NEWS01/801230437/1016/NEWS

It SEEMS like this was miss-reported????

What SEEMS to know being reported is K.T. and Jessica in K.T.'s bedroom (downstairs) sleeping + dog. BD on the couch in the common room. Jessica went to sleep in KT bed's when she came home earlier. KT joins Jessica in the bed. BD goes to sleep on the couch.

The upstairs 3 bedrooms belong to the out of town roommates ... 2 boys and Melissa.

K.T. Hunter
Jessica Deal

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by mxma30
i rule out the theory that brianna died from alcohol/drugs and her friends being afraid of being accused.. an autopsy would determine that..

i would rather be accused of drugs and drinking than disposing a body.. [/*]

It wouldn't be worth the risk and her parents would likley want the body to bury so that would get awkward as well. IMO.

I couldn't believe she fell asleep in front of that door unlocked and with that view into the house, that is just asking for trouble especially if you're drunk to the world. IMO

[LostinSpace]

Originally posted by RiverWalk
This link seems to have started the confusion of who slept where:

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080123/NEWS01/801230437/1016/NEWS

It SEEMS like this was miss-reported????

What SEEMS to know being reported is K.T. and Jessica in K.T.'s bedroom (downstairs) sleeping + dog. BD on the couch in the common room. Jessica went to sleep in KT bed's when she came home earlier. KT joins Jessica in the bed. BD goes to sleep on the couch.

The upstairs 3 bedrooms belong to the out of town roommates ... 2 boys and Melissa.

K.T. Hunter
Jessica Deal [/*]

That clears that up, but then why did they think she may have gone upstairs? I saw the clip on Fox this am of one of them saying this.:confused:

[omsk99]

Originally posted by RiverWalk
This link seems to have started the confusion of who slept where:

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080123/NEWS01/801230437/1016/NEWS

It SEEMS like this was miss-reported????

What SEEMS to know being reported is K.T. and Jessica in K.T.'s bedroom (downstairs) sleeping + dog. BD on the couch in the common room. Jessica went to sleep in KT bed's when she came home earlier. KT joins Jessica in the bed. BD goes to sleep on the couch.

The upstairs 3 bedrooms belong to the out of town roommates ... 2 boys and Melissa.

K.T. Hunter
Jessica Deal [/*]

That would make all the sense, except earlier they reported K.T. said when they cam from UPSTAIRS... Who knows at this point!

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ReedJ


It wouldn't be worth the risk and her parents would likley want the body to bury so that would get awkward as well. IMO.

I couldn't believe she fell asleep in front of that door unlocked and with that view into the house, that is just asking for trouble especially if you're drunk to the world. IMO [/*]

If she was indeed that drunk, she probably wouldn't have cared if the door was locked or not, or not even think about it. JMO

[mxma30]

im wondering if a complete stranger followed the girls home that night. may have known or overheard that the two girls were going home.. simply could have waited outside until the lights went out.. perfect time to plan how he would do it with no trace.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by LostinSpace


That clears that up, but then why did they think she may have gone upstairs? I saw the clip on Fox this am of one of them saying this.:confused: [/*]

They thought she might have gone to one of the vacant bedrooms upstairs, as the other 3 roommates were gone.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by mxma30
im wondering if a complete stranger followed the girls home that night. may have known or overheard that the two girls were going home.. simply could have waited outside until the lights went out.. perfect time to plan how he would do it with no trace. [/*]

Yes, that would make sense, only one strange thing about it - how would he have known they leave the door unlocked...

[mxma30]

Originally posted by omsk99


Yes, that would make sense, only one strange thing about it - how would he have known they leave the door unlocked... [/*]

in this case, he wouldnt have. but they sure made it a lot easier for him!

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by LostinSpace


That clears that up, but then why did they think she may have gone upstairs? I saw the clip on Fox this am of one of them saying this.:confused: [/*]

I saw that too. Don't know, other than they may have thought that one of the upstairs bedrooms MAY have been unlocked and thought to look there to be sure before calling parents/LE?????

ETA: Someone asked earlier about tracking dogs and not finding a scent. Did it snow shortly after BD disappeared? Snow, rain, fog, excessive wind can literally dissipate the odor of the person being sought. jmo.

[LostinSpace]

Originally posted by omsk99


They thought she might have gone to one of the vacant bedrooms upstairs, as the other 3 roommates were gone. [/*]

But weren't those doors locked? Wasn't that why she slept on the couch?

But wait....maybe the real reason she slept on the couch and not in one of the vacant rooms upstairs was that she was too drunk to go upstairs??

[omsk99]

Originally posted by LostinSpace


But weren't those doors locked? [/*]

I think they all had locks, but maybe only from inside. Since they were gone, they may not have locked their doors. Just thinking out loud...

[Maelstrom5]

So according To Mark Fuhrmen comments on Greta’s show; information is starting to surface that leads him to believe that the women were partying far more then LE was first told about.

If that is in fact the case, then everything else falls into place.

Someone earlier mentioned the fact this group reminds them of the Mountain Brook girls, and I think that poster may very well be correct. In fairness to the women from Alabama though, I should point out that they were 18, the legal drinking age in Aruba, and a number of them tried to talk Natalee out of getting into the car that night.

If the women have been less then 100% truthful it probably did not impede the investigation as police viewed this as a potential abduction from the outset, but it would explain the following quote

“Jessica Deal lives at the house and says she and her friends are trying to cope. "KT and I are sort of isolating ourselves together. We feel like we're going through the same trauma, the same regret, the same guilt."

I take it we are being told the following news report is incorrect.

“Her friend, K.T. Hunter, 19, went to sleep in her locked bedroom with her dog. Denison was sleeping right outside her door. Hunter and another roommate sleeping upstairs said they did not hear any disturbances.”

The other roommate being Jessica

[mxma30]

4:00 AM Mostly Cloudy 34°F
30°F 19°F 54% 10.0
miles 29.88
inches From ENE
5mph



5:00 AM Mostly Cloudy 34°F
34°F 19°F 54% 10.0
miles 29.86
inches CALM



6:00 AM Mostly Cloudy 35°F
28°F 20°F 54% 10.0
miles 29.86
inches From N
8mph



7:00 AM Partly Cloudy 30°F
30°F 20°F 60% 10.0
miles 29.85
inches From ENE
3mph



Sunrise at 7:16 AM


8:00 AM Partly Cloudy 37°F
32°F 20°F 50% 10.0
miles 29.85
inches From W
6mph



9:00 AM Partly Cloudy 40°F
31°F 19°F 43% 10.0
miles 29.84
inches From WNW
19mph



From the time she was last seen till they realized she was gone. Percentage is humidity, 10.0 means visibility (which seems to indicate fog/snow/rain was not present).

Im stumped as to how the dogs did not pick up ANYTHING outside the house. Not even a trace of them getting home that night?

[omsk99]

Maybe it snowed that night and covered all the tracks? :shrug:

[mxma30]

Originally posted by omsk99


Maybe it snowed that night and covered all the tracks? :shrug: [/*]

as far as weather.com says, there was no precipitation

[omsk99]

Originally posted by mxma30


as far as weather.com says, there was no precipitation [/*]

Thanks, I couldn't tell it from the report. Then it's really weird, no footprints, no tire tracks, nothing, and dogs didn't pick up a scent.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by omsk99


Thanks, I couldn't tell it from the report. Then it's really weird, no footprints, no tire tracks, nothing, and dogs didn't pick up a scent. [/*]

I'm pretty stumped on this one. How can a girl just vanish into thin air? :shrug:

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by omsk99


If she was indeed that drunk, she probably wouldn't have cared if the door was locked or not, or not even think about it. JMO [/*]

You would think that at least one of them would've at least been sober enough to turn a lock at least making it somewhat harder for the perp. It was way to easy . IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I'm pretty stumped on this one. How can a girl just vanish into thin air? :shrug: [/*]

Put some chloroform on a rag and hold it over her mouth and nose while she is asleep, sling her over your shoulder while you put her in the back of a van and then transport her to your house or place to hold her captive. IMO

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by ReedJ


Put some chloroform on a rag and hold it over her mouth and nose while she is asleep, sling her over your shoulder while you put her in the back of a van and then transport her to your house or place to hold her captive. IMO [/*]

Yep, and no one would hear a thing (I don't think the dog would be barking from behind a locked door unless there was a lot of noise). She was less than 100 pounds, and with the door being unlocked like that, you're right, it's an easy crime.

Makes me sick. :flamemad:

[ELENDA100]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I'm pretty stumped on this one. How can a girl just vanish into thin air? :shrug: [/*]\
Certainly does seem strange. Remember Elizabeth Smart was taken out of her house and so was Jessica Lundsford. It is sad when you are not safe in your own home.
A mother in Florida, Denise Amber Lee,was take out of her home in broad daylight. They did find her body and the suspect has been found. Her story is on this forum.

[mxma30]

Originally posted by ReedJ


Put some chloroform on a rag and hold it over her mouth and nose while she is asleep, sling her over your shoulder while you put her in the back of a van and then transport her to your house or place to hold her captive. IMO [/*]


yes and make sure you take her teddy bear too ;)

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by ELENDA100
\
Certainly does seem strange. Remember Elizabeth Smart was taken out of her house and so was Jessica Lundsford. It is sad when you are not safe in your own home.
A mother in Florida, Denise Amber Lee,was take out of her home in broad daylight. They did find her body and the suspect has been found. Her story is on this forum. [/*]

That is exactly why I triple check to make sure my doors are locked whenever I'm at home. It's a scary, scary world.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ReedJ


You would think that at least one of them would've at least been sober enough to turn a lock at least making it somewhat harder for the perp. It was way to easy . IMO [/*]

They said it's not unusual to leave the door unlocked, people came and went there all the time. Why would they think that night would have been any different? Obviously I think they should always lock the doors, but she didn't turn the lock at all, not harder or less.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ReedJ


Put some chloroform on a rag and hold it over her mouth and nose while she is asleep, sling her over your shoulder while you put her in the back of a van and then transport her to your house or place to hold her captive. IMO [/*]

But where are the footprints and tire tracks?

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
So according To Mark Fuhrmen comments on Greta’s show; information is starting to surface that leads him to believe that the women were partying far more then LE was first told about.

If that is in fact the case, then everything else falls into place.

Someone earlier mentioned the fact this group reminds them of the Mountain Brook girls, and I think that poster may very well be correct. In fairness to the women from Alabama though, I should point out that they were 18, the legal drinking age in Aruba, and a number of them tried to talk Natalee out of getting into the car that night.

If the women have been less then 100% truthful it probably did not impede the investigation as police viewed this as a potential abduction from the outset, but it would explain the following quote

“Jessica Deal lives at the house and says she and her friends are trying to cope. "KT and I are sort of isolating ourselves together. We feel like we're going through the same trauma, the same regret, the same guilt."

I take it we are being told the following news report is incorrect.

“Her friend, K.T. Hunter, 19, went to sleep in her locked bedroom with her dog. Denison was sleeping right outside her door. Hunter and another roommate sleeping upstairs said they did not hear any disturbances.”

The other roommate being Jessica [/*]

From last night's show, the 4 students that live in the house are: K.T. Hunter, Melissa and 2 boys (unknown names). Melissa and the 2 boys' presence for the night in question are known and they have been cleared by the LE.

Jessica and Brianna were just crashing at their friend's house. imo.

Just heard on FNC that the LE are interviewing the over 100 known sex offenders living within 2 miles of that house!! Over 1,700 in the vicinity, iirc.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by RachelRose


Why would there be footprints and tire tracks?

Maybe I'm missing something. I think they were trying to search for her fairly quickly because a snowstorm was on the way - but at the time she went missing, would there be any way to leave footprints or tire tracks? That was a suburban neighborhood with paved driveways and paved roads and walkways around the home - I don't know how a perp would leave tracks. [/*]

From the pictures of the house, there was a lot of snow on the ground, and since there was no precipitation, such as snow or rain, that night and in the morning according to the forecast posted above, I would imagine he had to have left footprints or tire tracks behind if he walked into the house, carried her out and into his car/van.

[Maelstrom5]

RachelRose

"I brought this up by way of saying that an unlocked door may not be a huge, huge clue in this. It may be that this was typical for them."

The only reason it is important is because it allows for easy access to the living room were Brianna was sleeping.

BTW Mark Fuhrmen said that he found out that on most nights those doors including the sliding glass door,(it had a rod that would prevent it from opening) would have been locked after 10 or 11 pm.

[Amy S.]

From watcing the Fuhrman report, all of the doors may have been unlocked, front door, back door and sliding glass door.

Mark pointed out that it does little good to lock glass panel doors, anyway.

The bedrooms are all keyed locks.

I keep going back to "has every inch of that house been searched?"

[Nellie]

Ok, I'm reading the transcript from Greta's show last night and both of the girls said a "friend" took Brianna and KT home. I knew about the stranger who took Jessica home....but who is the "friend" who took Brianna and KT home? Anyone know?

Another thing.....Jessica says she went on home and Brianna and KT stayed another hour or hour and a half longer. How would she know how long they stayed if she went home and went to sleep?

[Maelstrom5]

Nellie,

The friends name is Ian, and he has been called "harmless" by KT and Jessica

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Nellie,

The friends name is Ian, and he has been called "harmless" by KT and Jessica [/*]

Thank you. But, has he been cleared by LE?

[Nellie]

And, how long should it take to determine if the substance on the pillow was blood or not? Seems to me they should know that by now.

[Maelstrom5]

Not that I have seen. Just that he was the one who took them home and the women do not feel he could have anything to do with it.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Did you believe the roomates story last night on Greta? Did you find her credible? I'm curious can y'all give your opinion; honestly now. Someone walked in carried her out, left no prints no tire tracks and took the teddy bear too?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [/*]

That teddy bear being missing is puzzling, isn't it? I'm sorry, but I don't think a person kidnapping a 19 year old would take along a 2 foot teddy bear. The dissappearance of the teddy bear tells me that there had to be some kind of evidence on it. And I read that the teddy bear was holding balloons! I wonder if they were REAL balloons!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Not that I have seen. Just that he was the one who took them home and the women do not feel he could have anything to do with it. [/*]

Well I would certainly hope he'd be checked out by LE, no matter how harmless these girls thought he was!

[RiverWalk]

This is about the 100 sex offenders within 1 mile

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/24/missing.student.ap/

[Nellie]

This is probably Ian's myspace....he was on Jessica's "friends list".
He is set to private though. Jessica is not private though.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RachelRose
Wouldn't it be HELPFUL if LE released a picture of what the bear looked like, exactly? So like if you glimpsed it in your dumpster or in a ditch you could call and report it?

This seems like an enormous clue. [/*]

You would think....

And why aren't there some major searches going on? I know there was ONE search, but I'm not sure how far they searched. Does anyone else?

[RiverWalk]

http://www.shadowscope.com/archives/2008/01/brianna_denison_missing.php

Video with Connie Chung, LE and K.T. Hunter

[wandering]

Originally posted by RachelRose


I'm sure they know whether it was human blood or not by now - but DNA testing could take awhile since they don't have her DNA.

I think ALL of us could nearly conclusively recognize blood on a sheet. That's kind of unmistakable. [/*]If she didn't take her things, which I understand were all still there, her toothbrush would be an excellent source of DNA.

[wandering]

Originally posted by Nellie


Thank you. But, has he been cleared by LE? [/*]Yes.

[Nellie]

I THINK this is Jessica Deal's myspace.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=10188910

[Nellie]

Originally posted by wandering
Yes. [/*]

Thank You.

[bred]

I read a post on another site from a guy who was with Brianna at 3AM that Sunday. She stopped in his hotel room to pick up her sweater. She was with another male, who he describes. He has given this info to LE.

Sorry if that's old news...it was new to me. It just tells me there is another person possibly involved who is unknown to us but known to LE.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by bred
I read a post on another site from a guy who was with Brianna at 3AM that Sunday. She stopped in his hotel room to pick up her sweater. She was with another male, who he describes. He has given this info to LE.

Sorry if that's old news...it was new to me. It just tells me there is another person possibly involved who is unknown to us but known to LE. [/*]

No, I hadn't heard that. Could it have been Ian?
If there is another guy involved, I for some reason believe KT and Jesica know him and know more.

[happy2bme]

Originally posted by Nellie


No, I hadn't heard that. Could it have been Ian?
If there is another guy involved, I for some reason believe KT and Jesica know him and know more. [/*]


okay only have a second...my mother told me she watched the news today and it was reported there are now 2 suspects. She said this was reported by the parents ( info on one of the suspects) and one of them was on a business trip there. Now this is probally ALL false and my mother might have mis-understood what she heard but thought I would let everyone know. Has any one else heard this? I am not near a tv.

[happy2bme]

Originally posted by RachelRose


Okay, that's just weird. She stopped by some guy's hotel room to retrieve her sweater.

God knows what happpened to this girl, really. Some guy in a hotel room has possession of her clothing, she's in the middle of an ugly breakup with a boyfriend who is in town, and her friends are apparently lying about alcohol. [/*]


I think the friends know more than they are saying....

[bred]

Left to watch NG...she's discussing the Marine case right now.

Didn't Brianna go to high school in Reno? So maybe all these friends are high school friends.

I am thinking they know more, too.

Someone somewhere asked how Jessica got into KT's room? Did she give her her key?

The car that belonged to the person who drove Brianna to Reno was left parked at KT's. Not a big deal, but have we heard who this is?

[MTmom]

Has anyone seen this? There is another missing girl in Las Vegas, NV. She was also dropped off at her home around 4:30 am after a night out partying.

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7765955


Could these be related?

[bred]

She's been missing since New Year's Day? I just don't get it. How can so many women be in the wrong place at the wrong time???? An intruder JUST HAPPENED to be in front of her house and snatch her as soon as her BF drove away? So unlikely, yet it happens daily.

[Maelstrom5]

MTmom

The story is from Las Vegas but Mariela Moreno went missing from Henderson, Nevada.

She has a thread here at tru-TV

[MTmom]

Originally posted by bred
She's been missing since New Year's Day? I just don't get it. How can so many women be in the wrong place at the wrong time???? An intruder JUST HAPPENED to be in front of her house and snatch her as soon as her BF drove away? So unlikely, yet it happens daily. [/*]

Yeah, since 4:30 am on New Years day. It just seems so similar to me, the early morning hour, the night of partying, being dropped off and not seen again. Then add that they are both in NV.

[MTmom]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
MTmom

The story is from Las Vegas but Mariela Moreno went missing from Henderson, Nevada.

She has a thread here at tru-TV [/*]

Ok, thanks. I guess I missed that part. At any rate... they seem similar. Just a thought.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by MTmom


Ok, thanks. I guess I missed that part. At any rate... they seem similar. Just a thought. [/*]

NP, If you follow the first news reports you will find that she has a ongoing Domestic violence case with a ex-boyfriend

[Maelstrom5]

Police Think Missing Woman Was Abducted By a Stranger
Posted: 4:22 PM Jan 24, 2008
Last Updated: 4:57 PM Jan 24, 2008
Reporter: Auburn Hutton

It's been five days since Brianna Denison vanished from a Reno home, but investigators still have very little to go on. Police have followed several different leads, but so far, they've come up with nothing. They still don't have any suspects in the case, but they're now saying they believe Brianna was abducted by a stranger.
It seems to be sort of a process of elimination. Wednesday, police interviewed about 100 sex offenders, but found no clues. They also cleared the name of a 45-year-old "person of interest." Brianna's family says he volunteered a DNA sample and a lie detector test, so police let him go. Other than that, the only real evidence police have to work with is a little bit of blood that was left on her pillow.
For the first time since Brianna went missing, the neighborhood near the home on Mackay Court was fairly quiet Thursday morning. Police cars no longer combed the streets for evidence, and local students seemed to be back to business.
From an outsider's viewpoint, it almost looks like the police have stopped the search, but Brianna's family says that's not the case.
"As of right now, they are working their hardest. They said they are working all the time, knocking on doors. They have the dogs out, smelling for her scent. I know they're doing all they can do," said Brianna's cousin, Ashley Zunino.
The problem is, without any solid leads or clues, there is a limit to what police can do. Brianna's cousin, Ashley Zunino, says she and the rest of the family will never give up hope. Zunino says she truly believes her cousin is still alive, and that she's somewhere in Reno.
"I have my suspicions. I just want the community to know that someone needs to come forward fast, immediately. We want someone to come forward. Someone knows something about Brianna."
She says Brianna's boyfriend is not a suspect, and in fact, he's as shocked and saddened by Brianna's disappearance as the rest of her family. Zunino thinks someone else, someone unknown to the public, knows where Brianna is.
"I have a feeling she's with someone. Someone has her. A stranger? I don't know. I don't know."
Police say they're still awaiting DNA results from the blood on Brianna's pillow...and investigators are still conducting interviews. While they follow what little they have to work with, the family is only trying to cope. Zunino says her cousin's disappearance still feels like a dream.
"I feel like she'll walk in the door any day. I feel like she'll call me any second and just say 'sorry, it was all just a big misunderstanding.'"
Investigators say a 24-hour tip line will stay open, at least through this weekend. If you know anything about where Brianna Denison may be, or if you have any other information about what happened the night she went missing, you should call the tip line at 745-3521.

RachelRose
I was referring to Mariela Moreno who is missing in Henderson, Nevada. MTmom posted a story about her and asked a question

[Rick777]

Fuhrman said people are reluctant to give out alot of details surrounding that night. What the heck is going on????? Why are her "friends" so nervous? Why aren't her "Friends" organizing a search effort?

[Amy S.]

I wonder if the text messages ended suddenly or if Brianna said something like - good night.

Can alcohol poisoning progress after drinking has ceased? Like, if you have been drinking heavily and then go home - could you still die from alcohol poisoning at a later time?

[jewel6]

Originally posted by Rick777
Fuhrman said people are reluctant to give out alot of details surrounding that night. What the heck is going on????? Why are her "friends" so nervous? Why aren't her "Friends" organizing a search effort? [/*]

I didnt like the girl talking on tv. she knows something! JMO

[butterfly28]

I just had an opportunity to watch the interviews of the 2 friends on Greta. There were several things that bothered me. Someone here had mentioned the whispering between the girls but it was even weirded to actually hear them do it. It sounded rehearsed like they were helping each other remember lines to sound believable. Also the first friend said Brianna "was" close to her family and "was" close to her friends instead of saying she "is" close to her family, etc. Usually after someone goes missing, their loved ones refer to them in the present tense for quite a long time (unless they know for sure they are no longer around).

Of course this could all be because they are nervous like it was mentioned. I try to keep that in mind!!

Before I saw the interview, I thought the ideas of them possibly being involved seemed far-fetched. Now I am not so sure.

Hopefully tomorrow MF will elaborate on what he meant by saying there was more partying going on then first thought. I think it will answer a lot of questions.

[butterfly28]

Does anyone know if her last text message at 4:23 a.m. was just 1 message or part of a conversation she was having via text message? That would be helpful in determining her state of mind. I sure wish we knew what that text message said!

[Nellie]

Myspace accounts can tell a lot about a person's character.
There are several messages from KT to Jessica about "SWAT"...which is what the girls went to. These messages were written right before the weekend.

It also appears that Jessica had to go to court....maybe shoplifting? That was mentioned in a post.

Jan 14 2008 5:31 PM
Jan 14 2008 5:31 PM

soo i really hope your sunglasses work.we'll def be putting our new shades to the test this week. and im excited for SWAT. Call me tomorrow after your trial. you damn criminal. PS i hope the FBI doesnt depcrypt this comment and come after us.




From KT
Dec 8 2007 8:59 AM

Dec 8 2007 8:59 AM

lesson of the day from j deal: When shoplifitng, dont go to winco

[Nellie]

OK, in piecing together some posts on myspace, I believe that Jessica was arrested back in July and I believe it could have been drinking.

So, that being said....if something happened to Brianna due to drinking, would they be scared to say anything because of this prior arrest????

[Nellie]

Ok, I'm listening to Mark Fuhrman....

He says that Jessica went and picked up Brianna and they went to KT's. KT wasn't ready so she dropped off Brianna and went on to the party. Then KT and Brianna drove over together when KT got ready. Listening to him it sounds like both Jessica and KT drove cars. But yet they both caught rides home. WHY? Did they leave their cars at the Casino? Why did they have to catch a ride? Nothing has been said about their cars and I'm sure curious about them now.

[duncan]

Originally posted by Nellie
Ok, I'm listening to Mark Fuhrman....

He says that Jessica went and picked up Brianna and they went to KT's. KT wasn't ready so she dropped off Brianna and went on to the party. Then KT and Brianna drove over together when KT got ready. Listening to him it sounds like both Jessica and KT drove cars. But yet they both caught rides home. WHY? Did they leave their cars at the Casino? Why did they have to catch a ride? Nothing has been said about their cars and I'm sure curious about them now. [/*]


Why catch a ride if you have a car??? Seems odd.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by duncan



Why catch a ride if you have a car??? Seems odd. [/*]

Unless they were too drunk to drive home...but they said they weren't drunk, right?

So, why didn't they drive their own car home? I need to find the transcript of Greta's show tonight. I think Mark may have said they both drove to the first place...then got in one car to drive over to the Casino. So, I could see one of them catching a ride home....but the other two? Why? And why hasn't their cars been brought up? When I heard they caught rides home, I just assumed they lived in walking distance or someone else took them. Now that I find they both drove cars when they went out that night....I'm puzzled even more.

[carterkatt]

I apologize ahead of time... this is OT... but on Greta last night there was a small segment about a college girl from Michigan that left, stayed in a motel, and was found dead (internal injuries) on a golf course in Indiana. I THINK her name was Rylan Cotter - or something similar. I've searched the boards, but have been unable to find a thread on her. Perhaps I have the name wrong. Anyone assist me? TIA.

[bred]

I just listened to MF again. He is full of info that creates more questions.

As he reports it, Jessica drove to the concert. KT drove to the concert. One of them left her car at the concert. One of them drove the 3 of them 2 miles away to the Sands. They arrive at the Sands before midnight. At 2AM Jessica flags down the stranger and he takes her to KT's house. She goes to sleep in KT's bed. Ian brings KT and Brianna home before 4AM. KT goes to sleep in her bed. Brianna texts BF at 4:23 and presumedly then goes to sleep. At 9:30 AM Jessica and KT are making coffee...and I'll stop there.

One car would have stayed overnight at the concert, one at the Sands. But the girls omit this.

There is a video of KT saying she looked out the window in the AM and only saw "the car belonging to the person who brought Brianna here." If that's Jessica, how did her car get there? If friends drove the car/cars back to the house, that brings more people into the picture.

[Maelstrom5]

bred,

I believe someone earlier in the thread said the car KT is referring to is that of another friend who gave Brianna a ride to Reno from school.

The question that I have is this; Jessica said she was going home early because she had to be at work at 10 am. How was she going to get there with her car located someplace else? How was she going to get to work on time if they were just making coffee at 9:30 am?

If what Nellie snooped out is correct then Jessica has a prior arrest for underage drinking, and that would explain why they keep insisting "No one was drunk" Hopefully by now they have come clean to LE.

[bred]

Gotcha M5.

I, too, wondered how JD was going to get to work. Did we ever hear where she works?

I'm hoping since we all have questions about many things that LE does, too, and maybe even knows all the answers...just not the one that matters.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by Breazy


This is the transcript for Tuesday night's show, not last night. I have been checking every hour or so for last night's but haven't been able to find. The video you linked is also from Tuesday night, not last night. [/*]

This is the Tuesday nights show partial transcript.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324905,00.html

Go here:

http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

scroll down and click on Brianna's face for the video of Tuesday's show that goes with the transcript.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by carterkatt
I apologize ahead of time... this is OT... but on Greta last night there was a small segment about a college girl from Michigan that left, stayed in a motel, and was found dead (internal injuries) on a golf course in Indiana. I THINK her name was Rylan Cotter - or something similar. I've searched the boards, but have been unable to find a thread on her. Perhaps I have the name wrong. Anyone assist me? TIA. [/*]

http://www.statenews.com/index.php/article/2008/01/body_of_msu_student_found_in_indiana

There is not a thread here on the Amber Alerts, etc.

You could start one under Current Crimes since she has been found??????

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=31

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
bred,

I believe someone earlier in the thread said the car KT is referring to is that of another friend who gave Brianna a ride to Reno from school.

The question that I have is this; Jessica said she was going home early because she had to be at work at 10 am. How was she going to get there with her car located someplace else? How was she going to get to work on time if they were just making coffee at 9:30 am?

If what Nellie snooped out is correct then Jessica has a prior arrest for underage drinking, and that would explain why they keep insisting "No one was drunk" Hopefully by now they have come clean to LE. [/*]
-----------------------------------------------------
VAN SUSTEREN: And she had no transportation?

HUNTER: No, her car was in the shop, and my friend's car was there who took her to my house.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324905,00.html
------------------------------------------------------------
Reading Nellie's link to Jessica's myspace, it sounds more like shoplifting arrest than DUI, but :shrug:

[RiverWalk]

GVS show from last night

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

Scroll down and click on:

ON THE RECORD
Mark Fuhrman retraces Brianna Denison's steps on night she vanished

[carterkatt]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


http://www.statenews.com/index.php/article/2008/01/body_of_msu_student_found_in_indiana

There is not a thread here on the Amber Alerts, etc.

You could start one under Current Crimes since she has been found??????

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=31 [/*]

Thank you, Riverwalk. I doubt I'm savy enough to start a thread! At least i know I'm not crazy and just could not find it. Thank you.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by carterkatt


Thank you, Riverwalk. I doubt I'm savy enough to start a thread! At least i know I'm not crazy and just could not find it. Thank you. [/*]

SURE you can. Just click on this link:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=31

Scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on:
NEW THREAD

Type in her name, age, city, state, murdered .... or whatever you wish as a title. Then post some links about who she is and what happened to her. EASY. Others will join in to gather info about this young woman.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by RiverWalk

-----------------------------------------------------
VAN SUSTEREN: And she had no transportation?

HUNTER: No, her car was in the shop, and my friend's car was there who took her to my house.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324905,00.html
------------------------------------------------------------
Reading Nellie's link to Jessica's myspace, it sounds more like shoplifting arrest than DUI, but :shrug: [/*]


Hi,
I know like everything else about this case they seem to speak in riddles. But Mark Fuhrman said one car was left at the rap concert and the other was left at the Sands, so how could that car be Jessica's?

I tried to find were I saw the comment about another friends car but could not, which leads me to believe I saw it on another board or possibly a comment section in one of the news stories.:shrug:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RiverWalk

-----------------------------------------------------
VAN SUSTEREN: And she had no transportation?

HUNTER: No, her car was in the shop, and my friend's car was there who took her to my house.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,324905,00.html
------------------------------------------------------------
Reading Nellie's link to Jessica's myspace, it sounds more like shoplifting arrest than DUI, but :shrug: [/*]

That's what thought too Riverwalk, but after snooping back a bit further I found out about the arrest in a post back in July. So, I don't think it was shoplifting. The shoplifting comment may have even been a joke. But, the arrest in July and then talking in January about her going to trial six months later, suggests to me that it's for incident back in July, which I think was alcohol related. And reading through this myspace and friends' myspaces, these girls were DRINKERS!

Jul 13, 2007 11:50 AM
Jul 13, 2007 11:50 AM
Jess! What happened? I called you back as soon as I was able to check my texts... I've been at work all morning. Arrested?! I talked to you at like 10:30 last night and you were completely fine, and by fine I mean coherently drunk... although you were getting into your car... are you okay?!


They were talking about her going to court on Jan. 15th. What was the date that Brianna dissappeared? It sounds like Jessica went to court RIGHT BEFORE the party weekend and if it was for DUI, then that would explain them downplaying the alcohol.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by bred
Gotcha M5.

I, too, wondered how JD was going to get to work. Did we ever hear where she works?

I'm hoping since we all have questions about many things that LE does, too, and maybe even knows all the answers...just not the one that matters. [/*]

According to her myspace, I believe she works at the Rena/Tahoe International Airport.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=10188910

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5



Hi,
I know like everything else about this case they seem to speak in riddles. But Mark Fuhrman said one car was left at the rap concert and the other was left at the Sands, so how could that car be Jessica's?

I tried to find were I saw the comment about another friends car but could not, which leads me to believe I saw it on another board or possibly a comment section in one of the news stories.:shrug: [/*]

Yes, according to MF, there were two cars.....one was Jessica's and one was KT's. But yet they didn't drive either one home and instead they all caught a ride.

I find it strange that no mention has ever been made about why they left their cars. Or...did they?

And if KT says she looked out and only saw the car of the friend who brought Brianna there, that would be Jessica's car. But yet they say Jessica caught a ride home with that stranger the night before, which would mean her car would still be at the concert or the Casino. OR, she's referring to Ian's car, since he supposedly brought Brianna there from the Casino....but then he supposedly also brought KT there from the Casino too, so that would be a weird way to put it if it's his car.

Something "isn't right" here.

[LizzieCat]

They left their cars because they were all very drunk.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
bred,

I believe someone earlier in the thread said the car KT is referring to is that of another friend who gave Brianna a ride to Reno from school.

The question that I have is this; Jessica said she was going home early because she had to be at work at 10 am. How was she going to get there with her car located someplace else? How was she going to get to work on time if they were just making coffee at 9:30 am?

If what Nellie snooped out is correct then Jessica has a prior arrest for underage drinking, and that would explain why they keep insisting "No one was drunk" Hopefully by now they have come clean to LE. [/*]

Jessica is the friend who picked up Brianna and took her to KT's house. KT wasn't ready, so Brianna stayed there with her and Jessica went on. Then KT drove Brianna to the concert from her house. So the car KT would be referring to would be Jessica's.....if she's talking about the person who gave Brianna a ride to her house.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by LizzieCat
They left their cars because they were all very drunk. [/*]

Exactly...which would be a good thing.
But they keep insisting they weren't drunk.
They can't have it both ways.
And if Jessica's car was outside that morning, how did it get there if they left it? :shrug:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by swc


I know posts get overlooked when tons of posters are posting so I am quoting myself, I would like to get a poster entered into the NVFC, I contacted them but they need to have an some basic info from the involved LE etc.

TIA [/*]

I'm sorry, the only ones I've seen are the small ones on the myspace accounts.

[LizzieCat]

Sex offenders to be quizzed about missing student

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/24/missing.student.ap/index.html

Police searching for a missing college student said Thursday they plan to interview about 100 registered sex offenders who live within a mile of the home where she vanished five days ago.

Reno police spokesman Steve Frady said the questioning was a routine part of the investigation.

Brianna Denison, 19, was last seen sleeping on a couch at a friend's house near the University of Nevada, Reno campus.

"It's something that's done in cases like this," Frady said.

All of the more than 1,700 registered sex offenders in Washoe County around Reno will be contacted as part of the investigation, he added.

Police also continue to investigate two attacks on UNR female students late last year in an effort to determine whether there's a link between them and Denison's disappearance. The previous cases, involving an abduction and rape in December and a fondling in November, also occurred near the campus.

"At this time the other two cases do not appear to be related to her disappearance," Frady said. "However, we're not ruling out that possibility."

Denison's mother and aunt asked for people to keep their eyes open, saying Brianna was responsible and serious about her college career.

"We know that someone will see her and that they will get her back to us," said Lauren Denison, the teen's aunt, on NBC's "Today" show Thursday.

Police questioned a man who gave a ride home to Denison's friend the night Denison disappeared from the home near the UNR campus, but investigators said he is not a suspect.

Denison was last seen at 4 a.m. Sunday. Police said she was sleeping near an unlocked glass door after a night of partying. When her friends awoke later that morning, she was gone -- but her clothes, purse and cell phone were left behind.

Police with search dogs have canvassed the neighborhood a half-mile north of the downtown casino district since Monday but have found no sign of the young woman.

"All the indicators are that Brianna has been abducted. It is our sincere hope that she'll come walking in the door any minute, but the longer it goes, the less the chances are of that occurring," said Ron Holladay, a Reno police commander.

Two of her friends, Jessica Deal and K.T. Hunter, said they started making breakfast Sunday morning when they saw Denison's personal items.

"We started piecing together later that hour that everything was still there," Deal said. "There is no way she left voluntarily."

Detectives were awaiting test results on whether a silver dollar-sized stain on the pillow Denison was using is blood.

Denison, who grew up in Reno, is a student at Santa Barbara City College in Santa Barbara, California. Friends and family say she was at home over the winter break and had planned to return to school this week.

[Amy S.]

So, KT may have lost her driver's license to the courts. But her friend says that she has plenty of ID, anyway.

Jan 15 2008 9:44 AM

Now, approximately six months proceeding your alleged offense, I sit and applaud our flawed criminal justice system at work.

SIX months?! Is that considered a "fair and speedy" trial by any means? James Madison would be appalled at such a travesty! First, it's the 1st Amendment to take a hit. Now, it's the 6th. Pretty soon, we'll just do away with the "innocent until proven guilty" mantra all together.

Anyway, I'm rooting for you! I really was going to try and see the show, but I had no idea that things kicked off so ridiculously early. Let me know if you need a ride to our veggie food and wine date tomorrow. After all, I'm not sure how well your possible-hiccup excuse will hold up in big-boy court and the judge might just chuckle as he cuts up your license. I know, thanks for the vode of convidence, right? And according to you, you have all the identification you really need these days anyway. ;o)

All that being said, call me up and give me the scoop. And if they haul your pretty little self off to the hooscal, rest assured that I'll come skipping up to Parr Boulevard with a care package in hand: vodka, vodka, and more vodka.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by Nellie


Exactly...which would be a good thing.
But they keep insisting they weren't drunk.
They can't have it both ways.
And if Jessica's car was outside that morning, how did it get there if they left it? :shrug: [/*]

Jessica's car was in the shop.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5



Hi,
I know like everything else about this case they seem to speak in riddles. But Mark Fuhrman said one car was left at the rap concert and the other was left at the Sands, so how could that car be Jessica's?

I tried to find were I saw the comment about another friends car but could not, which leads me to believe I saw it on another board or possibly a comment section in one of the news stories.:shrug: [/*]


:shrug: But I am reading that badly written sentence to mean someone other than Jessica that dropped her off at KT's house. Tis confusing though.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by Nellie


That's what thought too Riverwalk, but after snooping back a bit further I found out about the arrest in a post back in July. So, I don't think it was shoplifting. The shoplifting comment may have even been a joke. But, the arrest in July and then talking in January about her going to trial six months later, suggests to me that it's for incident back in July, which I think was alcohol related. And reading through this myspace and friends' myspaces, these girls were DRINKERS!



They were talking about her going to court on Jan. 15th. What was the date that Brianna dissappeared? It sounds like Jessica went to court RIGHT BEFORE the party weekend and if it was for DUI, then that would explain them downplaying the alcohol. [/*]

BD went missing the wee hours of 1/21.

Keep snooping. lol

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


Jessica's car was in the shop. [/*]

Nooooo......I believe it was said that Brianna's car was in the shop.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by Nellie


Jessica is the friend who picked up Brianna and took her to KT's house. KT wasn't ready, so Brianna stayed there with her and Jessica went on. Then KT drove Brianna to the concert from her house. So the car KT would be referring to would be Jessica's.....if she's talking about the person who gave Brianna a ride to her house. [/*]

That was that day though. From what I gather BD had been in Reno for a few days (SWAT party) and thus her car in the shop and using someone else's car.

http://www.swatup.com/trips/college-trips/swat-72.html

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Amy S.
So, KT may have lost her driver's license to the courts. But her friend says that she has plenty of ID, anyway.

Jan 15 2008 9:44 AM

Now, approximately six months proceeding your alleged offense, I sit and applaud our flawed criminal justice system at work.

SIX months?! Is that considered a "fair and speedy" trial by any means? James Madison would be appalled at such a travesty! First, it's the 1st Amendment to take a hit. Now, it's the 6th. Pretty soon, we'll just do away with the "innocent until proven guilty" mantra all together.

Anyway, I'm rooting for you! I really was going to try and see the show, but I had no idea that things kicked off so ridiculously early. Let me know if you need a ride to our veggie food and wine date tomorrow. After all, I'm not sure how well your possible-hiccup excuse will hold up in big-boy court and the judge might just chuckle as he cuts up your license. I know, thanks for the vode of convidence, right? And according to you, you have all the identification you really need these days anyway. ;o)

All that being said, call me up and give me the scoop. And if they haul your pretty little self off to the hooscal, rest assured that I'll come skipping up to Parr Boulevard with a care package in hand: vodka, vodka, and more vodka. [/*]

I don't know if she lost her license or not....sure wish we had way to see what punishment she got. If she lost her license, then she shouldn't have been driving at all that night! :eek: But since they themselves say she picked up Brianna, I have a hard time believing she actually lost her license. But I definately think she got herself in some bit of trouble for drinking and driving. Maybe she was on probation??? :confused:

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by Nellie


Nooooo......I believe it was said that Brianna's car was in the shop. [/*]

Sorry. You are correct. My bad.

[RiverWalk]

Originally posted by Nellie


I don't know if she lost her license or not....sure wish we had way to see what punishment she got. If she lost her license, then she shouldn't have been driving at all that night! :eek: But since they themselves say she picked up Brianna, I have a hard time believing she actually lost her license. But I definately think she got herself in some bit of trouble for drinking and driving. Maybe she was on probation??? :confused: [/*]

AmyS was talking about KT losing her license????? I thought it was Jessica that MAY have had the DUI???? We are all having problems with these girls names. lol

[Nellie]

Originally posted by RiverWalk


AmyS was talking about KT losing her license????? I thought it was Jessica that MAY have had the DUI???? We are all having problems with these girls names. lol [/*]

NO....it was Jessica!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Amy S.
On the topic of partying. This gal (not one of the ones in question, but she was replying to the Myspace), accidently got married and is now seeking funds to get an annullment using a Paypal account. She is about to get kicked off her dad's insurance.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=322819497 [/*]

How ridiculous! I saw her post about marriage on Jessica's myspace and couldn't decide if she was being serious or what??? Guess she was serious, huh?

Yep, these girls are really "in control", aren't they?

[Maelstrom5]

Hi swc,

I have contacted a number of Brianna's friends and asked if they could send me the codes for the Missing person flyer.

I will post them here when I get them.

PJH

[Amy S.]

Thanks for helping me with who everyone is. I continue to hope for a good outcome here, but hope is diminishing.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Amy S.
On the topic of partying. This gal (not one of the ones in question, but she was replying to the Myspace), accidently got married and is now seeking funds to get an annullment using a Paypal account. She is about to get kicked off her dad's insurance.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=322819497 [/*]

Here is her "other" myspace. Her blogs are interesting reads.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=79596100

[LizzieCat]

Originally posted by debkay


WTH!!! How does someone accidentally get married??????? And these are college kids?????:confused: [/*]

I guess if you live in Nevada, especially Vegas or Reno, it might be easy to get drunk and get married if you're an outta control kinda person.

:rolleyes:

[newshound81]

Hi guys - Lauren outside Philly here, new to the site.

In regards to Nellie's inquiry about Jessica's supposed DUI punishment, PA has a system by which you can search people's criminal records online. I tried to search the Reno court system online to see if they have any criminal dockets, but couldn't find anything. But the incident may not have even happened in Reno, so maybe there are other state court sites you know of where you can search her name. Just a thought!

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Nellie


Could be! It wouldn't surprise me.

Oh, and she did have a picture posted of the "wedding".

These girls definately seem "out of control" to me though, so it could be possible. [/*]

[Nellie]

Ok, so 3 other people called this house "home"....2 boys and 1 girl. So where are they? :shrug:

Have they returned to their "crime scene home"?
Is KT still living there?
Are any of them scared to stay there now?

The other "roomies" have been invisible through this whole thing....easy to forget they exist and think that KT is the only one living there.

[SpecialK]

Originally posted by newshound81
Hi guys - Lauren outside Philly here, new to the site.

In regards to Nellie's inquiry about Jessica's supposed DUI punishment, PA has a system by which you can search people's criminal records online. I tried to search the Reno court system online to see if they have any criminal dockets, but couldn't find anything. But the incident may not have even happened in Reno, so maybe there are other state court sites you know of where you can search her name. Just a thought! [/*]

I'm pretty good at that stuff but I'm too lazy to read back and find Jessica's last name. Can you post or PM me? Thanks!

[Maelstrom5]

swc,

Scam maybe, I think it is more likely a goof. If you read her blog entries on the other MySpace page she seem like a party animal who likes to live on what she thinks is the fringe.

She is smart, but not very savvy, she says she wants to be in LE but puts enough information about illegal activities in her blog to turn any LE agency off.
My guess she will be working for Starbucks for a very long time

[newshound81]

Jessica Deal...would be interesting to see if K.T. Hunter has a record as well, but I don't know what her initials stand for - maybe Kathrine something?

[newshound81]

Another, though far less likley, theory I was chewing on yesterday regarding BD's "friends" was that something like the Missy Avila case transpired. www.angelfire.com/ca6/missyavila/index.html

This case happened in '89 in Cali, I believe - her two unattractive, jealous best friends murdered her after claiming that Missy, who was quite pretty, hit on their boyfriends. Isn't a far stretch to place BD in a similar light - she was beautiful, obviously had dated guys (two exes) and hung around them, and Jessica and K.T. aren't exactly lookers. Maybe BD got hit on by a guy one of them liked at SWAT and one of the friends flipped. Alcohol and drugs turn many people, even teenage girls, into beligerent jerks.

[LostinSpace]

Am I the only that finds it odd that KT was out until 3 or 4 partying yet was up fixing breakfast @ 9:30? I understand Jessica had to go to work, but why was KT up so early?

:shrug:

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by LostinSpace
Am I the only that finds it odd that KT was out until 3 or 4 partying yet was up fixing breakfast @ 9:30? I understand Jessica had to go to work, but why was KT up so early?

:shrug: [/*]

I don't know if it's really that strange....even if I'm out until really late, I will usually wake up early if I have a friend sleeping over who has to get up early too. JMO

[Rick777]

SO Jessica dropped Brianna off at K.T's house and went on to the concert. Did the girls meet up with jessica at the concert, or After the concert?

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by Rick777
SO Jessica dropped Brianna off at K.T's house and went on to the concert. Did the girls meet up with jessica at the concert, or After the concert? [/*]

at the concert. They left one car there and went as a group to the Sands

[happy2bme]

Originally posted by LostinSpace
Am I the only that finds it odd that KT was out until 3 or 4 partying yet was up fixing breakfast @ 9:30? I understand Jessica had to go to work, but why was KT up so early?

:shrug: [/*]


I find it odd because I have 2 sisters this age and I can tell ya they have a hard time waking up that early even if they had gone to bed at an early hour and had not been partying.

[Rick777]

Two things that are hard to explain-

The blanket in the kitchen. How would it get there? If she was forced into the kitchen to maybe dodge a passing car thru the window, someone would hear SOMETHING. The couch was literally sharing the same wall as the bedroom.

The stufed animal. We are talking about a 26 inch stuffed animal! It would be alot more effective and efficient for the perp to use his hand over her mouth then a stuffy....especially that size! Was it taken because it had blood on it? I don't think he would think that quickly when he's attempting an impulse crime.


baffling...

[Rick777]

I almost hafta feel that Brianna might have ACCIDENTLY died at some point during the night. The friends sure seem like they know more than they are saying, and sure seem nervous.

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by Rick777
I almost hafta feel that Brianna might have ACCIDENTLY died at some point during the night. The friends sure seem like they know more than they are saying, and sure seem nervous. [/*]

I think a LOT of people are feeling that very same theory. I'm not sold on it yet though. Let's assume that she did accidentally die and that the friends all know about it....could they really have been smart enough to hide a body? Without a trace of evidence? And what about the blood on the pillow? Say it's from a nosebleed or something like that....wouldn't LE be able to tell? I just think that one of them would have caved and come out with the real story by now. Plus, it doesn't really sounds like LE believes that theory right now either. JMO I definitely think that the girls are downplaying the drinking, and possibly drugs, etc. I'm just not sold on the idea that they could have moved their friend's body, or that they know what happened and just arent saying it.

I'm leaning more towards the intruder theory....unlocked doors, Brianna in FULL view, her weighing less than 100 pounds....I just think it's really easy to believe that an intruder came in and took her, instead of her friends having something to do with it.

I am keeping an open mind though and I love hearing about what everyone else thinks. Anything is possible! All IMO

[Maelstrom5]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/25/...in3751515.shtml

Cops Widen Search For Missing Reno Teen
Area Sex Offenders To Be Questioned, But Police Still Have No Solid Leads On Kidnapper

RENO, Nev., Jan. 25, 2008

(CBS/AP) With no suspects and little evidence, police investigating the suspected kidnapping of a young Reno woman appealed again to friends and neighbors to offer up even the most "inconsequential" information they may have about her mysterious disappearance six days ago.

Police said earlier Thursday they planned to interview 93 registered sex offenders who live within a mile of the Reno home where Denison last was seen. Holladay said only one of those was a "Tier 1" offender - the most likely to be a threat - and that he had been contacted and ruled out as a suspect.

Police say they will contact all 1,700 sex offenders in the county, hoping for any lead to help find Brianna, reports CBS' The Early Show.

"At this point in time we do not have anything that points to a specific suspect," Reno police commander Ron Holladay told about 150 people who gathered for an update Thursday night at the student union of the University of Nevada, Reno.

Brianna Denison, 19, hasn't been seen since about 4 a.m. on Sunday when she went to sleep on a couch at the home of a friend a few blocks from the UNR campus, about a half-mile from the downtown casino district.

Denison, a freshman at Santa Barbara City College who graduated from Reno High School last spring, was staying with friends who reported her missing about 9 a.m. because her cell phone, purse, shoes and other personal items were left behind.

"She doesn't just disappear," her cousin Ashley Zunino told The Early Show. "Someone always knows where she is."

Police with search dogs have canvassed the neighborhood daily since then. They expanded the effort Thursday to nearby foothills of the Sierra where they'd not looked before and encouraged local residents at the evening forum to continue to come forward with any information that might help find her.

"It is very important," Holladay said. "It is really the little things that may seem inconsequential to you at the time - a person walking in the neighborhood who doesn't belong. A person who hangs out that doesn't go into a residence. A person watching you when you go out."

Police have ruled out as suspects Denison's boyfriend, who reportedly sent her text messages from Oregon in the hours before her disappearance, as well as a man who gave her friend a ride to the home from a Reno casino that early morning.

Holladay said they still were awaiting results of tests on a stain on a pillow on the couch to see if it was blood - as investigators suspect - and whether it matched Denison's type. He said there did not appear to be "any similarities" between the facts surrounding her disappearance and two unsolved cases of sexual attacks on women in the neighborhood in November and December.



I don't get LE statements as far as the two previous SA's.

Hello; have they never heard the name Paul Bernardo? He was The Scarborough Rapist long before he was a serial killer.

His MO as a rapist, did not match his MO as a killer, not in the least, but he was both.

[ruby]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/25/...in3751515.shtml

Cops Widen Search For Missing Reno Teen
Area Sex Offenders To Be Questioned, But Police Still Have No Solid Leads On Kidnapper

RENO, Nev., Jan. 25, 2008

(CBS/AP) With no suspects and little evidence, police investigating the suspected kidnapping of a young Reno woman appealed again to friends and neighbors to offer up even the most "inconsequential" information they may have about her mysterious disappearance six days ago.

Police said earlier Thursday they planned to interview 93 registered sex offenders who live within a mile of the Reno home where Denison last was seen. Holladay said only one of those was a "Tier 1" offender - the most likely to be a threat - and that he had been contacted and ruled out as a suspect.

Police say they will contact all 1,700 sex offenders in the county, hoping for any lead to help find Brianna, reports CBS' The Early Show.

"At this point in time we do not have anything that points to a specific suspect," Reno police commander Ron Holladay told about 150 people who gathered for an update Thursday night at the student union of the University of Nevada, Reno.

Brianna Denison, 19, hasn't been seen since about 4 a.m. on Sunday when she went to sleep on a couch at the home of a friend a few blocks from the UNR campus, about a half-mile from the downtown casino district.

Denison, a freshman at Santa Barbara City College who graduated from Reno High School last spring, was staying with friends who reported her missing about 9 a.m. because her cell phone, purse, shoes and other personal items were left behind.

"She doesn't just disappear," her cousin Ashley Zunino told The Early Show. "Someone always knows where she is."

Police with search dogs have canvassed the neighborhood daily since then. They expanded the effort Thursday to nearby foothills of the Sierra where they'd not looked before and encouraged local residents at the evening forum to continue to come forward with any information that might help find her.

"It is very important," Holladay said. "It is really the little things that may seem inconsequential to you at the time - a person walking in the neighborhood who doesn't belong. A person who hangs out that doesn't go into a residence. A person watching you when you go out."

Police have ruled out as suspects Denison's boyfriend, who reportedly sent her text messages from Oregon in the hours before her disappearance, as well as a man who gave her friend a ride to the home from a Reno casino that early morning.

Holladay said they still were awaiting results of tests on a stain on a pillow on the couch to see if it was blood - as investigators suspect - and whether it matched Denison's type. He said there did not appear to be "any similarities" between the facts surrounding her disappearance and two unsolved cases of sexual attacks on women in the neighborhood in November and December.



I don't get LE statements as far as the two previous SA's.

Hello; have they never heard the name Paul Bernardo? He was The Scarborough Rapist long before he was a serial killer.

His MO as a rapist, did not match his MO as a killer, not in the least, but he was both. [/*]

I grew up in Scarborough when Berardo was known as the 'rapist'....he used to plot in the ravine behind my friends house (they found evidence of maps and stuff there from him). So scary.....

[Rick777]

93 sex offenders in a one mile area????

Good Gawd.

[bred]

Remember when Beth what's her name walked away from some large women's conference in Georgia(?) and LE looked for her for a day or 2 and then stopped. We KNEW she'd met with a horrible fate...but LE knew the truth. She came back eventually. My point...why are there not massive searches for her????? Family members begging for her return????? Big reward, but that's it.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I think a LOT of people are feeling that very same theory. I'm not sold on it yet though. Let's assume that she did accidentally die and that the friends all know about it....could they really have been smart enough to hide a body? Without a trace of evidence? And what about the blood on the pillow? Say it's from a nosebleed or something like that....wouldn't LE be able to tell? I just think that one of them would have caved and come out with the real story by now. Plus, it doesn't really sounds like LE believes that theory right now either. JMO I definitely think that the girls are downplaying the drinking, and possibly drugs, etc. I'm just not sold on the idea that they could have moved their friend's body, or that they know what happened and just arent saying it.

I'm leaning more towards the intruder theory....unlocked doors, Brianna in FULL view, her weighing less than 100 pounds....I just think it's really easy to believe that an intruder came in and took her, instead of her friends having something to do with it.

I am keeping an open mind though and I love hearing about what everyone else thinks. Anything is possible! All IMO [/*]

I'm not totally sold on Brianna dying at the house either and they get rid of her body. I do entertain it as a possibility. But with the dogs not getting her scent, I'm thinking maybe something happened to her elsewhere and they know what happened! Or, they saw her leave with someone and are keeping their mouth shut about that. Yes, they are definately downplaying the drinking and that is possibly because of Jessica's arrest back in July.....plus other reasons. But, maybe that's the only thing they're downplaying that.

I just can't decide on WHAT they're lying about, but I most definately think they're being "less than honest". And I'm still puzzled about leaving their cars there. How did Jessica go get her car? Who took her? Did she make it to work that day? How did she plan to get to work the next day when she left her car at the concert? Too many questions to me about their cars....I'd like to hear more about them.

If they weren't lying on Greta, then KT wouldn't have felt the need to whisper and tell Jessica what to say. :shrug:

[Nellie]

Originally posted by bred
Remember when Beth what's her name walked away from some large women's conference in Georgia(?) and LE looked for her for a day or 2 and then stopped. We KNEW she'd met with a horrible fate...but LE knew the truth. She came back eventually. My point...why are there not massive searches for her????? Family members begging for her return????? Big reward, but that's it. [/*]

Yeah, kinda strange, isn't it? No parents on tv pleading for her return.

I'm just not sure I'm "buying" a stranger abduction here.

[Nellie]

Originally posted by SpecialK


I'm pretty good at that stuff but I'm too lazy to read back and find Jessica's last name. Can you post or PM me? Thanks! [/*]

Jessica Deal from Reno, NV

[Nellie]

Originally posted by bred
Remember when Beth what's her name walked away from some large women's conference in Georgia(?) and LE looked for her for a day or 2 and then stopped. We KNEW she'd met with a horrible fate...but LE knew the truth. She came back eventually. My point...why are there not massive searches for her????? Family members begging for her return????? Big reward, but that's it. [/*]

Oh yeah, I certainly remember that!

Maybe Jessica and KT went home that night...too drunk to even think and realize they left without Brianna. Maybe Brianna didn't even go back and sleep on the couch! Maybe Brianna left with someone from the concert or Casino? Maybe Jessica and KT really don't know where Brianna went or anything.....but they'd have to admit how drunk they were if they admitted that.

But then I don't "get" the stuffed bear fitting in with that....:shrug:

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I think a LOT of people are feeling that very same theory. I'm not sold on it yet though. Let's assume that she did accidentally die and that the friends all know about it....could they really have been smart enough to hide a body? Without a trace of evidence? And what about the blood on the pillow? Say it's from a nosebleed or something like that....wouldn't LE be able to tell? I just think that one of them would have caved and come out with the real story by now. Plus, it doesn't really sounds like LE believes that theory right now either. JMO I definitely think that the girls are downplaying the drinking, and possibly drugs, etc. I'm just not sold on the idea that they could have moved their friend's body, or that they know what happened and just arent saying it.

I'm leaning more towards the intruder theory....unlocked doors, Brianna in FULL view, her weighing less than 100 pounds....I just think it's really easy to believe that an intruder came in and took her, instead of her friends having something to do with it.

I am keeping an open mind though and I love hearing about what everyone else thinks. Anything is possible! All IMO [/*]

I am with you, Jpanda. I don't think the girls that young are sophisticated enough to cover all he traces and evidence, and I am sure LE considered that possibility and they still treat it as an abduction case.

[ruby]

Originally posted by Nellie


Oh yeah, I certainly remember that!

Maybe Jessica and KT went home that night...too drunk to even think and realize they left without Brianna. Maybe Brianna didn't even go back and sleep on the couch! Maybe Brianna left with someone from the concert or Casino? Maybe Jessica and KT really don't know where Brianna went or anything.....but they'd have to admit how drunk they were if they admitted that.

But then I don't "get" the stuffed bear fitting in with that....:shrug: [/*]

Yes the whole stuffed bear thing is just odd...why is it gone? it makes no sense an abductor would take it with him. It may have significance however if the friends were involved as it could have pinpointed them....just my opinion

eta....Bri was the pretty one, could have been a jealousy thing...who knows.

[omsk99]

No Sign of Missing Teen Brianna Denison Nearly One Week After She Vanished in the Night

"No suspects, few clues and one teenager whose disappearance has baffled law enforcement and frightened her family and friends."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4189256&page=1

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ruby


Yes the whole stuffed bear thing is just odd...why is it gone? it makes no sense an abductor would take it with him. It may have significance however if the friends were involved as it could have pinpointed them....just my opinion

eta....Bri was the pretty one, could have been a jealousy thing...who knows. [/*]

My guess is that the bear, which she used a cushion, had blood or other forensic evidence, possibly, of the per, which is why it's gone. From anything I read, LE do not consider any of her friends to be involved, and neither do I.

The latest article I just posted said LE say there is no indication Brianna was drinking heavily or doing drugs. LE say she was most likely abducted by a stranger.

[ruby]

Originally posted by omsk99


My guess is that the bear, which she used a cushion, had blood or other forensic evidence, possibly, of the per, which is why it's gone. From anything I read, LE do not consider any of her friends to be involved, and neither do I.

The latest article I just posted said LE say there is no indication Brianna was drinking heavily or doing drugs. LE say she was most likely abducted by a stranger. [/*]

I dont think her friends are involved either, but that damn bear is throwing me off.

[omsk99]

"Under light snow, friends and family of missing 19-year-old student Brianna Denison stood outside Reno High School on Thursday in a candlelight vigil chanting "Please, come home, Brianna."

"If you can hear me, whoever you are, just let her come home," Denison's aunt, Rena Denison Terry, said through tears. "We don't care about you. She's not done yet."

The event drew more than 300 people to Denison's

former high school on Booth Street. Nicole Bridges, a high school friend of Denison's who coordinated the event, said the rally aimed to show an unrelenting support for her missing friend."

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080125/NEWS01/801250507/1016/NEWS

:rose:

[Amy S.]

Even if Brianna was startled at 4:30AM and jumped up and ran out the door, taking the bear and not the blanket, doesn't make any sense.

And she would have been yelling, I would think.

I am amazed when I read about these abductions and the victim goes quietly. Scream ladies. Scream.

I was struck by how close that couch was to the door. I think the door may have opend up against the couch. And then the bedroom door was right at the other end of the couch.

No one knew that Brianna was supposed to be there, unless she mentioned it that night. Maybe the intruder expected to abduct someone else?

If Brianna had planned to disappear, someone could have brought her some clothes - but that would be totally out of character, too.

Just thinking out loud.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by ruby


I dont think her friends are involved either, but that damn bear is throwing me off. [/*]

I know, the only thing I can think of is that it had some evidence of the per, maybe she bit him as he covered her moth and he bled...

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Amy S.
Even if Brianna was startled at 4:30AM and jumped up and ran out the door, taking the bear and not the blanket, doesn't make any sense.

And she would have been yelling, I would think.

I am amazed when I read about these abductions and the victim goes quietly. Scream ladies. Scream.

I was struck by how close that couch was to the door. I think the door may have opend up against the couch. And then the bedroom door was right at the other end of the couch.

No one knew that Brianna was supposed to be there, unless she mentioned it that night. Maybe the intruder expected to abduct someone else?

If Brianna had planned to disappear, someone could have brought her some clothes - but that would be totally out of character, too.

Just thinking out loud. [/*]

LE say it was most likely a stranger. But you have a good point, I don't think whoever it was came specifically for Brianna. Maybe someone somehow overheard that the guys from the house were gone, and there was just one girl staying at the house, i.e. K.T. They didn't know about locks or anything, maybe thought they could do a force entry if there was just one girl, no one would hear her anyway.

In terms of Brianna not screaming, maybe he duct-taped her or something of the kind.

[Rick777]

I think the friends know more then they are saying. I'm not saying they killed her, but......

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rick777
I think the friends know more then they are saying. I'm not saying they killed her, but...... [/*]

I respectfully disagree, I think they were too drunk and passed out, thus didn't hear anything. I think that's why they feel so guilty, as they say. JMO

[Nellie]

I don't even "get" why the teddy bear was used anyway! They gave her a pillow....why wasn't that enough? Why the bear too??? :confused:

[Rick777]

Originally posted by omsk99


I respectfully disagree, I think they were too drunk and passed out, thus didn't hear anything. I think that's why they feel so guilty, as they say. JMO [/*]


Well they have resisted in saying they were drunk, which is suspicious considering thier friend is missing. Don't ya think?

[Nellie]

Originally posted by omsk99


I respectfully disagree, I think they were too drunk and passed out, thus didn't hear anything. I think that's why they feel so guilty, as they say. JMO [/*]

I even wonder if they even knew if she came back to the house that night! I think they were too drunk to know anything!

[Rick777]

Originally posted by Nellie
I don't even "get" why the teddy bear was used anyway! They gave her a pillow....why wasn't that enough? Why the bear too??? :confused: [/*]


All I know is taking a 2 ft bear is kinda risky cuz that gives one more piece of evidence to find.

[Rick777]

"I respectfully disagree"


You always do! hahahaha

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Nellie
I don't even "get" why the teddy bear was used anyway! They gave her a pillow....why wasn't that enough? Why the bear too??? :confused: [/*]

They said the pillow was very thin, so they gave it to her as a support.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rick777



Well they have resisted in saying they were drunk, which is suspicious considering thier friend is missing. Don't ya think? [/*]

Well, who wants to admit they were drunk? ;)

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Nellie


I even wonder if they even knew if she came back to the house that night! I think they were too drunk to know anything! [/*]

I think they do, since the bear is missing, and the clothes she slept in, they described it. But I do thin they were too drunk, and are just embarrassed to admit it.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rick777
"I respectfully disagree"


You always do! hahahaha [/*]

:D

[Rick777]

Originally posted by omsk99


Well, who wants to admit they were drunk? ;) [/*]


YOU! *points* hehehe


seriously....why not say they went out, drank alot, and don't remember anything? I'm sure Brianna had a few too, don't you?

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Rick777



YOU! *points* hehehe


seriously....why not say they went out, drank alot, and don't remember anything? I'm sure Brianna had a few too, don't you? [/*]

I am sure she did, they were out until 4, but she was sober enough to text her BF at 4:23 am. The friend of theirs, Ian, gave them a ride home, so he knows Brianna came into the house with K.T.

[omsk99]

"RENO (AP) — With no suspects and little evidence, police investigating the suspected kidnapping of a young Reno woman appealed again to friends and neighbors to offer up even the most “inconsequential” information they may have about her mysterious disappearance six days ago.

“At this point in time we do not have anything that points to a specific suspect,” Reno police commander Ron Holladay told about 150 people who gathered for an update Thursday night at the student union of the University of Nevada, Reno. "

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[omsk99]

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[Amy S.]

Was there a massive search for her on Sunday? Were all of the gutters (ditches) and sewers and trash cans searched? When was the trash emptied? Are there dumpsters?

Have cadaber dogs been brought into the house?

What is the private investigator doing that the family hired?

[Jpanda]

Originally posted by Rick777
respectfully snipped

seriously....why not say they went out, drank alot, and don't remember anything? I'm sure Brianna had a few too, don't you? [/*]

I just keep thinking about when I was underage and how getting caught by your parents was the worst thing in the world....maybe that's why they are lying about the drinking (if in fact they are). Maybe they don't feel it's relevant to Brianna being gone, so why confess that part and get themselves in trouble? My parents were really strict with me growing up and I honestly thought they would disown me if they knew some of the things I was up to. (Nothing really bad, I swear! ;) )

Maybe they just don't see the point in confessing that part....JMO

[Breazy]

Someone on another forum posted that since Brianna was so small, 5' and 90 lbs, and also with a teddy bear, she could have been mistaken for a child. I agree that with all the sexual predators in the area, this is a possibility. Doesn't give us any new clues, however.

[ruby]

Originally posted by Breazy
Someone on another forum posted that since Brianna was so small, 5' and 90 lbs, and also with a teddy bear, she could have been mistaken for a child. I agree that with all the sexual predators in the area, this is a possibility. Doesn't give us any new clues, however. [/*]

That is a very good observation!

[Maelstrom5]

Hi,

You can put to rest the idea of jealousy over looks, at least as far as KT is concerned, her MySpace pics are quite beautiful.

She many not be telling the press everything about drinking but I think she has told the police by now.

She has a bit of a whimsical nature; her two favorite Movies stars are Marilyn Monroe.. and Shirley Temple

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Jpanda


I just keep thinking about when I was underage and how getting caught by your parents was the worst thing in the world....maybe that's why they are lying about the drinking (if in fact they are). Maybe they don't feel it's relevant to Brianna being gone, so why confess that part and get themselves in trouble? My parents were really strict with me growing up and I honestly thought they would disown me if they knew some of the things I was up to. (Nothing really bad, I swear! ;) )

Maybe they just don't see the point in confessing that part....JMO [/*]

That's I think too, I don't think they think it's relevant at all, and I have to agree with them.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Hi,

You can put to rest the idea of jealousy over looks, at least as far as KT is concerned, her MySpace pics are quite beautiful.

She many not be telling the press everything about drinking but I think she has told the police by now.

She has a bit of a whimsical nature; her two favorite Movies stars are Marilyn Monroe.. and Shirley Temple [/*]

Could you post or PM me her MySpace link? TIA :seeya:

P.SA. I also don't think she or other friends were jealous of her, she has been friends with them for years.

[omsk99]

Originally posted by Breazy
Someone on another forum posted that since Brianna was so small, 5' and 90 lbs, and also with a teddy bear, she could have been mistaken for a child. I agree that with all the sexual predators in the area, this is a possibility. Doesn't give us any new clues, however. [/*]

I guess they have talked to 93 registered sex offenders in that area, and there was one in particular, that they ruled out.

Very good observation, but maybe he would have let her go, once he realized she is 19 years old (although she could identify him, of course).