Drew Peterson's Victims??{Stacy/Kathleen) [Archive]

jewel6

11-05-2007, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by Jmylea
Hello Everyone!!

I just thought I would start a new thread on Kathleen Savio. Although Drew was married to Kathleen and she died, she really doesn't have much to do with the search for Stacy, right now. I know a family friend came on here and asked that we keep our focus on Stacy and that Stacy's family reads these post's so I think a seperate location for discussion would be better. [/*]

nicely put. jmo

Adalena935

11-05-2007, 07:46 PM

Since law enforcement is doing a second look at Kathleen's death since Stacy's disappearance, it is nice to have a seperate thread for her.

ELENDA100

11-05-2007, 08:16 PM

Greta's blog today said she was going to have some info tonight on Kathleen. Here is the link.
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

Adalena935

11-05-2007, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by ELENDA100
Greta's blog today said she was going to have some info tonight on Kathleen. Here is the link.
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/ [/*]

I was just reading that and was going to post the link. This is part of what's posted about tonite's upcoming show about Kathleen's death. Apparently Dr. Baden will go into more detail with his opinion of her autopsy report tonite.

My heart aches for this young woman and her surviving family. Especially her children.

"Was Sgt. Peterson’s wife# 3 (pictured above) murdered? The coronor said her death was an accident but was it? You might want to see the email Dr. Baden sent me about the autopsy of Sgt. Peterson’s wife #3 who died in the bathtub.

Plus, I just did a GretaCast with Dr. Baden that I will post in the next few hours in which he goes into greater detail. You can listen to Dr. Baden’s detailed discussion. In the GretaCast he says wife # 3 death was not an accident but in his opinion, a homicide. "

November 5th, 2007 3:53 PM Eastern

ETA: There's a pretty picture of her there.

snoopyone

11-05-2007, 11:22 PM

Very sad Dear Santa letter from one of Kathleen's boys.
Just a snip was on Greta

All I want is my Dad to leave my Mom alone
Give her a divorce

GoldensGlitter

11-05-2007, 11:25 PM

You are absolutely correct in your facts, but just an aside. I served on a coroners inquest in Will County several years ago, I could swear there were more than six of us, seems like it was more like 8 jurors. Fyi, O'Neill owns a funeral home business in Lockport, Illinois. Before I served on this inquest jury, I thought he would of been a medical professional, but you are correct, he is only elected.

Adalena935

11-05-2007, 11:41 PM

Adalena935

11-05-2007, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by GoldensGlitter

You are absolutely correct in your facts, but just an aside. I served on a coroners inquest in Will County several years ago, I could swear there were more than six of us, seems like it was more like 8 jurors. Fyi, O'Neill owns a funeral home business in Lockport, Illinois. Before I served on this inquest jury, I thought he would of been a medical professional, but you are correct, he is only elected. [/*]

Your insight is appreciated.

Jmylea

11-05-2007, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by snoopyone
Very sad Dear Santa letter from one of Kathleen's boys.
Just a snip was on Greta

All I want is my Dad to leave my Mom alone
Give her a divorce [/*]

Wasn't it, the pain this man has caused so many people is awful.

GoldensGlitter

11-06-2007, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by Jmylea

Wasn't it, the pain this man has caused so many people is awful. [/*]

Plain and simple.........tragic. I cannot even imagine living in that environment. Poor children, it';s just sick.

LoLo321

11-06-2007, 01:18 AM

It makes me furious to think how many lives he has ruined :flamemad:

emdragon

11-06-2007, 04:16 AM

I can't remember who it was but the ME on Nancy Grace tonight has also seen the autopsy report. He did say that it wasn't a no brainer like Baden says.
He says he hopes they took good photo's because from what he read it really good go either way, accident or Homicide.

cleo612

11-06-2007, 04:20 AM

Leanne Weich

11-06-2007, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by emdragon
I can't remember who it was but the ME on Nancy Grace tonight has also seen the autopsy report. He did say that it wasn't a no brainer like Baden says.
He says he hopes they took good photo's because from what he read it really good go either way, accident or Homicide. [/*]

I think if you take Kathleen's sister's description of the bath into account, it seems highly unlikely that it could have been an accident, imo. Apparently the bath was so small you couldn't even stretch your legs out straight when sitting in it.

Leanne Weich

11-06-2007, 08:37 AM

Originally posted by cleo612

Do you remember who the ME was? [/*]

I think it was Larry Koblinsky.

emdragon

11-06-2007, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by cleo612

Do you remember who the ME was? [/*]

Here is the quote from the transcripts.

LARRY KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: Well, I`m very dubious. First of all, there`s no question that she died of drowning. That`s a non-issue. The issue is whether it was accidental or it was deliberate. And if you do look at the other trauma to the body, you find not just one or two abrasions and contusions, but you find many, and all over her body. And it is now questionable as to whether the laceration to the head happened as a result of a fall and then drowning.

then later in the show he has this to say

LAWRENCE KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: I`ll tell you something. After looking at the autopsy report and seeing that there weren`t just a couple of abrasions and contusions, but there were eight documented items of trauma. And what they need to do now is go back, look at the photographs, the autopsy photographs, and determine when this bruising, when the abrasions took place. Was it perimortem or was it much prior?

Adalena935

11-06-2007, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by cleo612
This link was posted on the other thread.

Will County is considering exhumation of Kathleen's body.

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=4842039&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1 [/*]

Thanks cleo. That's what they need to look at if you ask me. At least they have Kathleen's body and her family too has long thought her death was no accident like the announcer said.

In my opinion if they don't look again at Kathleen's death then they just don't give a darn and are giving this probably 2X killer a pass on multiple murders.

The outrage.

Adalena935

11-06-2007, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by LoLo321
It makes me furious to think how many lives he has ruined :flamemad: [/*]

Isn't that the truth. Can you imagine the unmitigated audacity of such a person. They steamroll thru this old world never caring but for their own pety needs at the moment. people to them are just objects to be used and discarded at will and for his pleasure.

They so need to take a fresh look at Kathleen's death. Him being a cop makes you wonder how many other innocents he's killed to suit his own needs; under the protection of the law he swore to uphold.

If he's scrutinized now on these 2, you can bet he's hurt plenty more than anyone but God will ever know about and gotten away with it for a long long time.

RiverWalk

11-08-2007, 03:33 AM

http://www.amw.com/pdf/petersonemergency.pdf

Kathleen Peterson's emergency room visit

kt5858

11-08-2007, 10:03 AM

i can't help but to think about poor kathleen. she was crying out for help, but on deaf ears. i can't imagine her fear as she saw drew break in her house the day the unthinkable happened.
i also can't believe he cleaned up all the blood from the bathtub. sounds like he beat her and then put her into the tub, to stage the so-called accident.

when he came back to his house where stacy and his boys were, i would like to know what his demeanor was like. i would think stacy had to be feeling weird about the whole accident. but who knows what he told her (lies).

snoopyone

11-08-2007, 11:13 AM

So according to that ER report Kathleen was 29 which means the abuse started very early on in their marriage.

kt5858

11-08-2007, 11:17 AM

altho SP disappearance brought attention to KP's death, it wil be KP's own documented words hopefully that will destroy DP.

Jazzique

11-10-2007, 10:57 AM

His (3rd wife) was buried in 2004. She was a perfectly healthy 40 year old woman. Dr Cyril Wecht is saying they will take tissues if any remain. But they are looking for head wounds etc. Howcome the Coroner didn't notice this when she was killed!

It's so obvious he is a Wife killer. I hope they arrest him soon.....he just became a suspect yesterday? C'mon, arrest the SOB! right?!

How eerie that it's another Peterson, and her daughter's name is Lacy Peterson. Also remember the author Michael Peterson? The staircase murderer from North Carolina who was found guilty on all accounts. Ok, I know I am going off the topic, but I thought I'd just mention it.
Jazzique[/*]

DRJAN

11-10-2007, 03:09 PM

:cuss: i AM SORRY TO SAY THAT I WORKED WITH SGT PJETERSON ON A CASE. I WORKED FOR THE COUNTY AND HAD TO GO INTO BOLINGBROOK FOR A CASE. MAY I SAY HE WAS A JERK. I KNOW HE KILLED KATHLEEN AS SOON AS I'M SITTING HERE . HE IS SLY LIKE A FOX.

DRJAN

11-10-2007, 04:29 PM

PERSONALITY TRAITS OF SGT PETERSON. THIS IS A MAN WHO WOULD LIE TO GET OUT OF MISTAKES HES MADE JUST TO MAKE HIM LOOK GOOD. HE ONLY CARES ABOUT HIM SELF AND NO ONE ESLE. I NEVER KNEW HOW HE MADE SGT HE WAS GOOD AS A COP. I ONLY REALLY KNOWN HIM JUST FOR THAT ONE CASE AND EVEN THAT WAS TOO LONG .I CAUGHT HIM IN SOME LIES ABOUT THE CASE AFTER I DID THE FOOT WORK ON IT HE TAKES THE CREDIT. HE TREATS WOMEN LIKE CRAP, VERY CONTROLLING THEY CAN'T EVEN TALK TO THEIR OWN FAMILY.

AcesNQueens

11-10-2007, 07:57 PM

I'm hearing on the news that the day Kathleen's body was discovered, Drew was bringing the children home after his weekend visit, and her doors were locked, so someone (who?) called a locksmith.

Then a neighbor (a guy who has been interviewed on the news) and his girlfriend went inside Kathleen's home, while Drew waited outside.

The neighbor and his girlfriend searched throughout the house, then discovered Kathleen's body in the bathtub. They both screamed, and Drew came running.

The neighbor said Drew appeared to be honestly shocked and distraught. The neighbor said the first thing Drew said was, "What will I tell my children? What will I tell my children?"

Did anyone else see this neighbor being interviewed? If so, please correct me if I am in error.

Also, my theory is that Drew murdered Kathleen early in the morning, while the children were asleep at his home. After murdering Kathleen, he locked her doors and left. Then when Drew brought his children back to Kathleen's, he summoned the help of the neighbor and let the neighbor enter Kathleen's home while he waited outside. Drew KNEW they would discover Kathleen's body.

I think Drew's alibi was that his children were with him, etc. That's why he murdered Kathleen early in the morning (say, 4:30 a.m.) while his children were asleep.

This makes sense to me. (trying to think like a killer) :cool:

Adalena935

11-11-2007, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by AcesNQueens
I'm hearing on the news that the day Kathleen's body was discovered, Drew was bringing the children home after his weekend visit, and her doors were locked, so someone (who?) called a locksmith.

Then a neighbor (a guy who has been interviewed on the news) and his girlfriend went inside Kathleen's home, while Drew waited outside.

The neighbor and his girlfriend searched throughout the house, then discovered Kathleen's body in the bathtub. They both screamed, and Drew came running.

The neighbor said Drew appeared to be honestly shocked and distraught. The neighbor said the first thing Drew said was, "What will I tell my children? What will I tell my children?"

Did anyone else see this neighbor being interviewed? If so, please correct me if I am in error.

Also, my theory is that Drew murdered Kathleen early in the morning, while the children were asleep at his home. After murdering Kathleen, he locked her doors and left. Then when Drew brought his children back to Kathleen's, he summoned the help of the neighbor and let the neighbor enter Kathleen's home while he waited outside. Drew KNEW they would discover Kathleen's body.

I think Drew's alibi was that his children were with him, etc. That's why he murdered Kathleen early in the morning (say, 4:30 a.m.) while his children were asleep.

This makes sense to me. (trying to think like a killer) :cool: [/*]

I think Drew staged Kathleen's death.

Adalena935

11-11-2007, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by kt5858
altho SP disappearance brought attention to KP's death, it wil be KP's own documented words hopefully that will destroy DP. [/*]

Yes and her autopsy which news says they'll do next week. God rest her soul.

I agree with you that Kathleen is the key to solving these two cases and putting this monster away for good finally. Arrogant so & so. He thought he had gotten away with Kathleen's murder.

I'm so grateful the media has been spotlighting him.

AcesNQueens

11-11-2007, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by Adalena935

I think Drew staged Kathleen's death. [/*]Yes, Drew staged Kathleen Savio's death to make it appear she had fallen in the bathtub and died.

My point was, the children were visiting Drew that weekend, and that was Drew's alibi.

The man (neighbor) who discovered Kathleen Savio's body in the bathtub said there was "dried blood" in the tub.

My first thought was that Kathleen had been in the tub long enough for the blood to dry. She could have been there since 4:30 a.m.

That's why my theory is that Drew murdered Kathleen early in the morning (perhaps 4:30 a.m.) while his children were asleep at his home.

Having his children with him that weekend was Drew's alibi.

Just my theory!

AcesNQueens

11-11-2007, 07:12 AM

Just another thought.

Drew heard the neighbor man and Kathleen's girlfriend screaming, and he ran into the bathroom.

When he saw Kathleen dead in the bathtub, Drew's first words (according to the neighbor) were, "What will I tell my kids?!! What will I tell my kids?!!"

Those words ring so hollow to me! Supposedly Drew is caught off-guard and shocked at the sight of Kathleen's body in the bathtub. His words "What will I tell my kids? What will I tell my kids?" sound scripted to me. Those are not the words I would expect.

Now, people may ask me 'how do you know what he would say?' but it's just my strong feelings that those words were scripted. Those just don't sound like the words from an experienced cop. Unless he was trying to sound like he was "shocked."

AcesNQueens

11-11-2007, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by TexasPeppers

IMO, someone should have filled that tub, put the stopper in it, locked the drain, as if taking a bath, and then calculated how long it would have taken for that tub to drain. Kathleen was found in a dry tub, after all.

At the very least, they would have found the minimum time that Kathleen would have been in the tub before she was found.

In other words, say it took 5 hours for the tub to leak/drain all the water out of it, then she had to have been there for at least 5 hours. Could put a whole new timeline into her TOD.

JMO [/*]Yes, I thought of that, too. Some bathtub stoppers leak, whether they are the old-fashioned rubber stoppers on a chain, or the more modern stoppers.

It was reported on the news that the original coroner said Kathleen's fingers were wrinkled from being soaked in water. So therefore we know there was water in the tub at one time.

I suppose anybody could argue "how would anyone know for sure how full she would fill the tub" to take a bath. But I think, when bathing, most people fill a bathtub about 5-6 inches deep. But 3 years after the fact, it's too late for such a test.

Also, the tub being dry when Kathleen was discovered supports my theory that Drew probably left his kids asleep the previous night (meaning "early morning hours") and drove to Kathleen's house and killed her. Kathleen would have let Drew inside, if he told her something had happened to one of the kids, etc. I believe Drew staged it to look like Kathleen had fallen in the tub, and he probably filled the tub with water before he left. Then he left, closing and locking Kathleen's door behind him, and returned to his home before his kids woke up. But Drew didn't know the tub stopper leaked, so throughout the day, all the water in the tub drained out.

I believe having the kids with him for the weekend was Drew's alibi.

Geraldo asked the neighbor who discovered Kathleen's body why Drew sent HIM inside Kathleen's house, instead of going in himself, and he told Geraldo because there was tension between Drew and Kathleen, therefore Drew wasn't comfortable going inside.

But I think Drew didn't want to be the one to discover Kathleen's body.

This is how I see it at this stage!

Adalena935

11-12-2007, 01:48 AM

Originally posted by AcesNQueens
Yes, Drew staged Kathleen Savio's death to make it appear she had fallen in the bathtub and died.

My point was, the children were visiting Drew that weekend, and that was Drew's alibi.

The man (neighbor) who discovered Kathleen Savio's body in the bathtub said there was "dried blood" in the tub.

My first thought was that Kathleen had been in the tub long enough for the blood to dry. She could have been there since 4:30 a.m.

That's why my theory is that Drew murdered Kathleen early in the morning (perhaps 4:30 a.m.) while his children were asleep at his home.

Having his children with him that weekend was Drew's alibi.

Just my theory! [/*]

I haven't had time to follow this case very much so I honestly don't know all that's been said about Kathleen's death or the circumstances surrounding it.

But I do recall from Greta's show that he was bringing the kids back from their weekend visit with him when her body was 'discovered'.

It will be interesting to learn more details of her death and how long they think she was dead. One of the most telling aspects is she warned ahead of time that she feared the inevitable; that he would kill her.

If my mate wrote down that he feared me I'd hire body guards to protect him at all cost lest he turn up dead.

Not old drew peterson, tho. Such confidence in one's self we've rarely been privy to. And rightly placed it was up until wife #4 went missing. Because he has never been checked on Kathleen's death.

I really dislike the man.

AcesNQueens

11-13-2007, 02:08 AM

There's just something about Steve...

I keep looking for proof he's lying. Kathleen Savio's family had never heard of him until recently. Nobody had ever told them that "Steve" had discovered Kathleen's body in the tub. Hmmmm.

Tonight on GVS when Steve was asked what kind of a tub it was, he sort of hemmed and hawed, then he mumbled something about it being an oval shape. I've searched, but can't find a description of the tub Kathleen was found in. Some links call it a bathtub, while others refer to it as a whirlpool tub. I just want to know if it was indeed oval.

Maybe I just don't like Steve because he seems to hold up for Drew, saying Drew seemed genuinely shocked when he came into the bathroom and saw Kathleen in the tub. I think I would recognize "genuine" shock and "feigned shock." Maybe that's why I question anything Steve has to say.

I mean, if Steve thought Drew was "genuinely" shocked, and Steve also says there was no blood in Kathleen's hair... when the coroner's report said she had a gash in her scalp and her hair was matted with blood... that makes me question anything and everything Steve says.

Maybe Steve just wants his 15 minutes of fame... :shrug:

Mayasmimi

11-13-2007, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by AcesNQueens
There's just something about Steve...

I keep looking for proof he's lying. Kathleen Savio's family had never heard of him until recently. Nobody had ever told them that "Steve" had discovered Kathleen's body in the tub. Hmmmm.

Tonight on GVS when Steve was asked what kind of a tub it was, he sort of hemmed and hawed, then he mumbled something about it being an oval shape. I've searched, but can't find a description of the tub Kathleen was found in. Some links call it a bathtub, while others refer to it as a whirlpool tub. I just want to know if it was indeed oval.

Maybe I just don't like Steve because he seems to hold up for Drew, saying Drew seemed genuinely shocked when he came into the bathroom and saw Kathleen in the tub. I think I would recognize "genuine" shock and "feigned shock." Maybe that's why I question anything Steve has to say.

I mean, if Steve thought Drew was "genuinely" shocked, and Steve also says there was no blood in Kathleen's hair... when the coroner's report said she had a gash in her scalp and her hair was matted with blood... that makes me question anything and everything Steve says.

Maybe Steve just wants his 15 minutes of fame... :shrug: [/*]

The blood in the hair makes me crazy. Was there or wasn't there?

Bathtub is easier. I saw a pic. Tiny, deep, garden tub. Very small. I'm 5'8". I had one just like that. Either I sit up and my legs barely fit in water, or I lay down and legs.....almost every bit....out of water. KS did not drown in that bathtub. My opinion.

AND.....grown women with thick, long hair (I am one) don't wash hair in a bathtub......really....read back. We don't.

AcesNQueens

11-13-2007, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by Mayasmimi

The blood in the hair makes me crazy. Was there or wasn't there?

Bathtub is easier. I saw a pic. Tiny, deep, garden tub. Very small. I'm 5'8". I had one just like that. Either I sit up and my legs barely fit in water, or I lay down and legs.....almost every bit....out of water. KS did not drown in that bathtub. My opinion.

AND.....grown women with thick, long hair (I am one) don't wash hair in a bathtub......really....read back. We don't.Hello MayasM,

First of all, I agree about the hair. It doesn't make sense for a woman with long, thick hair to leave it down and let it get wet in a tub.

Also, I've never heard of a "garden" tub. Could you describe one? And did you notice water hoses, etc., that would indicate the tub was a whirlpool type? Also, was it oval, like Steve said?

I wonder why we aren't hearing anything from the lady who went inside with Steve, who ALSO saw Kathleen's body in the tub. She is mysteriously missing and silent, isn't she?

I want to hear her side of the story. I want to know if she saw blood in Kathleen's hair. And I want her opinion of whether or not Drew appeared to be "genuinely" shocked.

Also, I want to know if Drew REALLY said, "What will I tell my kids? What will I tell my kids?" That's the last thing I would expect anyone to say under those circumstances. I mean, in ONE SPLIT SECOND he thought of his kids??

I think anyone, even an "experienced cop," would be shocked to unexpectedly find Kathleen dead in her tub. For a few moments, I think he would be in denial at what he was seeing, and it would take a moment or two to fully grasp the situation! I think an "innocent" person would probably say something more like, "Oh my god!" or "Oh no!" or cry out her name, "Kathleen!!"

It's unlikely ANYONE would immediately think of their kids. That is, UNLESS THEY HAD BEEN WONDERING ALL DAY WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO TELL THE KIDS!

IMO - A&Q

P.S. - Let me know about the shape of that tub! TIA!

AcesNQueens

11-13-2007, 08:57 AM

Sorry, I'm just trying to understand your post!

What woman are you referring to when you say "Could it be possible that this woman is afraid of DP or he put some kind of fear into her? I would think that with all of this coming out now that she may be in hiding and does not want to come forward. The only other thing I can think of is that maybe there was not another woman there, or something has happened to her."

Wife #1? Stacy?

Maybe there was not another woman there? What woman, where?

TIA! :seeya:

A&Q

watchu

11-13-2007, 11:20 AM

The body has been exhumed.... They family was notified too late to be there, but there was a priest at the families request....

:rose: for Kitty's family!

lilismom

11-13-2007, 01:03 PM

I just read the autopsy report. I'm no doctor but wouldn't you expect it to say "significant" pulmonary edema if she drowned and not "moderate"? It also just says "water in the ethmoid sinuses". Wouldn't you expect it to say something about the amount of water there too?

Why is only her left hand wrinkled? Why not both? Why not her feet too? Do they mean DRY tub as in no water or that the entier tub was dry? How was the tub dry if her one hand was still wrinkled? I would think that the amount of time it took for the tub to completely dry, her hand wouldn't be wrinkled anymore. I still can't get a visual of this tub. Anyone got a pic?

IMO,
Lilismom

WillowInFlight

11-13-2007, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by lilismom
I just read the autopsy report. I'm no doctor but wouldn't you expect it to say "significant" pulmonary edema if she drowned and not "moderate"? It also just says "water in the ethmoid sinuses". Wouldn't you expect it to say something about the amount of water there too?

Why is only her left hand wrinkled? Why not both? Why not her feet too? Do they mean DRY tub as in no water or that the entier tub was dry? How was the tub dry if her one hand was still wrinkled? I would think that the amount of time it took for the tub to completely dry, her hand wouldn't be wrinkled anymore. I still can't get a visual of this tub. Anyone got a pic?

IMO,
Lilismom [/*]

From what I heard the tub was dry but her hair was soaked, could have been blood, But I have never heard if water was found in her lungs either.

lilismom

11-13-2007, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by WillowInFlight

From what I heard the tub was dry but her hair was soaked, could have been blood, But I have never heard if water was found in her lungs either. [/*]

I could see how since she had dark long hair that he might not have noticed the wetness as blood.

I can't see how though, someone, somewhere, didn't do a test in that tub to see if you could drown accidentally. Even if you fell and banged your head. It sounds almost as if she would have had to have fallen outside the tub and her head landed in the tub full of water in order to have drowned "accidentally".

IMO,
Lilismom

wandering

11-13-2007, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by lilismom
I just read the autopsy report. I'm no doctor but wouldn't you expect it to say "significant" pulmonary edema if she drowned and not "moderate"? It also just says "water in the ethmoid sinuses". Wouldn't you expect it to say something about the amount of water there too?

Why is only her left hand wrinkled? Why not both? Why not her feet too? Do they mean DRY tub as in no water or that the entier tub was dry? How was the tub dry if her one hand was still wrinkled? I would think that the amount of time it took for the tub to completely dry, her hand wouldn't be wrinkled anymore. I still can't get a visual of this tub. Anyone got a pic?

IMO,
Lilismom [/*]There was a pic posted on yesterday's thread. Search "Here's a picture of the tub."

wandering

11-13-2007, 02:05 PM

lilismom

11-13-2007, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by wandering
There was a pic posted on yesterday's thread. Search "Here's a picture of the tub." [/*]

Got it. Thanks. Looks really small to me. Why would anyone want a tub that small? Is this the ONLY tub in the house? Seems like she would have had to lay down with her feet out in order to drown "accidentally" in that tub. Also looks like if she fell in or around that particular tub that she would have banged up more than just her head.

Ok so Baden says that there is no question that she drowned? Is he basing that opinion on the autopsy report that says "moderate pulmonary edema"? Seems like there would more than a "moderate" amount of water in her lungs if she drowned. I'm so confused.

How young were Kathleen's boys at the time? Were they old enough to be able to tell someone that "daddy was gone for a while yesterday/last night/this morning?" Was Drew already living with/married to Stacy by then? Was he working the night/day/overnight shift the night/day before/of Kathleen's death?

Sorry for the questions. Trying to catch up. These threads move sooooo fast!

IMO,
Lilismom

wandering

11-13-2007, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by lilismom

Got it. Thanks. Looks really small to me. Why would anyone want a tub that small? Is this the ONLY tub in the house? Seems like she would have had to lay down with her feet out in order to drown "accidentally" in that tub. Also looks like if she fell in or around that particular tub that she would have banged up more than just her head.

Ok so Baden says that there is no question that she drowned? Is he basing that opinion on the autopsy report that says "moderate pulmonary edema"? Seems like there would more than a "moderate" amount of water in her lungs if she drowned. I'm so confused.

How young were Kathleen's boys at the time? Were they old enough to be able to tell someone that "daddy was gone for a while yesterday/last night/this morning?" Was Drew already living with/married to Stacy by then? Was he working the night/day/overnight shift the night/day before/of Kathleen's death?

Sorry for the questions. Trying to catch up. These threads move sooooo fast!

IMO,
Lilismom [/*]If she fell into the tub, wouldn't the laceration be somewhere near the top of her head? :confused:

lilismom

11-13-2007, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by wandering
If she fell into the tub, wouldn't the laceration be somewhere near the top of her head? :confused: [/*]

I dunno. I'm beyond confused.

If she fell, it would have been getting into or out of the tub. She then banged her head and slid down into the water and drowned? BUT, that is not how she was found. She was found sitting up. It doesn't look like that particular tub could hold enough water to drown someone sitting up. It seems as if it would have overflowed first.

When I had long hair I never washed it while taking a bath. Too nasty. Hair gets everywhere. Sticks to you, the tub, the walls. Ick. Taking a bath, at least for me, is for relaxing. You get out the nice clean right out of the dryer towels, your fluffiest robe, slippers etc.

I so don't get it. Any of it.

IMO,
Lilismom

kt5858

11-14-2007, 01:02 PM

court~critic1®

11-14-2007, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by kt5858

ummm, Dp and Sp were already married when KS died. [/*]

Now here you go. Confussing someones agenda with facts.

Also how does the poster know that SP was trash?uuummm or is that just in their opion. They stated it as fact, so I would like to see a link. lol

wandering

11-14-2007, 01:13 PM

trich

11-14-2007, 01:24 PM

Come on now...how many men tell women that they are in process of divorce, his wife doesn't understand him, etc
I could name so many reasons why Stacy dated Drew...he also I am sure told her he would take care of her and give her everything she wanted....and on and on and on.
She was very young and niave ....
Especially considering she was dating someone old enough to be her father and had been married so many times before.
He at one time must have been a charmer.
That in no way should mean she deserved to be killed( I say that because I am convinced that Drew killed her as he did Kathleen)
The only one in this situation that deserves the ultimate punishment is Drew.

As another poster already stated ...Stacy and Drew were already married when Kathleen died.
She already had him there was no reason for Stacy to want her dead.
Stacy did not have a great family life and I am sure she was hoping that Drew was going to make it all better especially since she was pregnant.
To say she deserved dying is very unkind and judgemental.
I hope one day it does not come back to haunt you.

bigkitty

11-14-2007, 01:33 PM

kellabeck

11-14-2007, 01:33 PM

Both Kathleen and Stacy are victims of Drew Peterson. Stacy was only a minor when she had the misfortune to meet this sociopath. Adult women have been taken in by the likes of him and so I cannot fault her for that sort of poor judgement, especially when she paid for it with her life.

You're right though. Your opinion is prolly very unpopular.

moo

texasgal

11-14-2007, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by Darlene66
I'm not saying she deserved to die. <SNIP> [/*]

You're not?

===============================
Originally posted by Darlene66:

<snip>I do not have any sympathey for Stacey Peterson <snip>

<snip>Stacey Peterson is trash and she apparently met her match in Drew Peterson <snip>

Karma rings true, here.
================================

What exactly are you saying?

grammacares

11-14-2007, 01:58 PM

Lynntoast

11-14-2007, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Darlene66
Karma rings true, here. [/*]
This is the only part of your statement that rings true. And in your case, I hope it is true.

mendara

11-14-2007, 02:22 PM

Fyi - It has been widely reported that Drew Peterson told Stacey that he was not married when he met her. On top of that she was only 17 and going through a rough time. Blaming the woman for an affair a maarried man had with her is ridiculous, HE is the MARRIED person and who knows the lies he is feeding this woman in order to get in her pants? My dad was a classic cheater - he found women and would tell them he was having "marital problems" that my mother "wouldn't sleep with him" and that he was staying for "the kids" that he would be leaving his wife soon.

WAKE UP!!! Stacey is a victim.

Devotion

11-14-2007, 08:29 PM

snoopyone

11-14-2007, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by FocusFactor
Trash (your opinion) or not trash... no one deserves to be murdered. People do love Stacy. Strangers are giving portions of their lives up to search for her.

Drew told Stacy he was single with no children. She neglected to tell her family that her new boyfriend was an old guy. No matter. You can't do much to stop someone from loving someone else, no matter what the motivation for that love is. Security, money, a way out, what ever Stacy saw in Drew.

One more wrench in this:

Drew cheated on Victoria (wife 2) with Kathleen. So- do you want to say Karma for Kathleen too?

To hear the local gossip, Drew would go with anything that breathed, cheated on every wife, every girlfriend.

IMO. [/*]

Guess the OP didn't know about that wrench

ninga72

11-14-2007, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Darlene66
Where exactly was this specular family of Stacey's when she was a teenager sleeping with a 47 year old man? Her brother is a sex offender, her mother is a runaway? Give me a break. Stop making excuses. Trash stinks and so does this case; and on many levels. [/*]

perhaps before you start spouting off at the face, you should actually learn the facts.
drew told stacy he wasnt married, she found out when she got pregnant.
her brother is in fact ont he sex offender list...but do you have any clue of the case there?
have you read anything of her home life as a child?
dont feel sorry for her if you so chose, but at lease get you facts clear before you stat crap.
i dont believe stacy helped in kathleens death...if you knew her, you would understand why. i have seen the letter kathleen worte about stacy harrassing her WITH DREW, and that is something i can see...with anyone of that age having a puppet master pulling the strings.
you like attention, dontcha!

lilismom

11-14-2007, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by Darlene66
To hear the local gossip, Drew would go with anything that breathed, cheated on every wife, every girlfriend.

IMO. [/*]

And Stacey Peterson went for him anyway. One type knows the other. She is not blameless in taking up with this man. Stop making her some saint that was taken advantage of. [/*]

I don't think anyone is making her out to be a saint and it remains to be seen who knew what when with regard to Kathleen. The one thing she is for sure is MISSING. MISSING from her two babes and HIS two babes that I'm sure miss and love her. MISSING from her family and friends. You can call her whatever you want but the woman is MISSING and probably DEAD. Do you think anyone cares about anything other than that right now?

IMO,
Lilismom

Mamie

11-14-2007, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Darlene66
Play your violins for Stacey as loudly as you please. Upon reading up on the `facts', the fact IS that Savio divorced DP due to the affair with Stacey. Again, if Kathleen Savio's death is determined to be a homocide, the investigators would be just as interested in SP potential involvement as DP. [/*]

I think somewhere in those facts, is the fact that the insurance money is in a trust for the two children of KS and DP. SP and DP have not touched that policy because they can't.

I know it's easy to blame the woman for sleeping with a married man but it still takes one of each sex to make a baby. He, it is told, played around on a wife before #3, so he's the schmuck.

I do not happen to believe that SP had any hand in KS's death. If people say that she had a camera going when they taunted KS over something and she came outside her house and SP was in the car waiting to film her(this is a story going around), that's one thing. Murder is entirely something else. JMO

lilismom

11-14-2007, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Darlene66

There is far more to this case than what you are allowing yourself to see. If you believe that SP had nothing to do with KS death, that is your opinion. This board is an exchange of ideas that quite often conflict with others. [/*]

Care to share what you think about KS' death without bashing the MISSING?

IMO,
Lilismom

April23

11-14-2007, 10:33 PM

darlene, just how are you related to DP?

ninga72

11-14-2007, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by April23
darlene, just how are you related to DP? [/*]

im thinking either a seriously scorned wife...or the next in line for the mrs peterson position.....

ninga72

11-14-2007, 11:31 PM

ninga72

11-14-2007, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by Darlene66

There is far more to this case than what you are allowing yourself to see. If you believe that SP had nothing to do with KS death, that is your opinion. This board is an exchange of ideas that quite often conflict with others. [/*]

so enlighten me here....what is it that im not seeing that you are?

Love Lee ann

11-15-2007, 01:16 AM

I am another here at the board that has an unpopular opinion.
I also think Stacy had something to do with KS death.
I also think that DP and SP have this all planned and will meet up in some God forsaken place soon
JMHO

Love Lee ann

11-15-2007, 01:21 AM

Darelene, when ever I have made a reference to something lik eStacy dissappeared on her own some on this board go after me like I am related, I'm not at all, but some just can't see past their small brains that others have opionions, IMHO that is why cases never get solved, stupid people thinking they know it all.
JMHO

Leanne Weich

11-15-2007, 02:56 AM

It's so damn easy to anonymously post scornful posts about a victim whose every movement in life is speculated upon with no thought to who is getting hurt in the interim. Stacy adopted Kathleen's teenage sons and I hope to God they are not reading the crap some have posted here. As for Stacy's brother who is a SO, I think you'll probably find he was having a relationship with a 15 year old and when her parents found out, they laid charges. He was only 23 which is still young and immature for a male imo. Was it wrong? Sure was but at least he wasn't out molesting 9 year olds. Stacy is not to blame for the childhood she had. She had a terrible upbringing, losing 2 infant sisters, her mom and moving something like 20 times. She didn't know Drew was married when she fell in love with him and got pregnant. Is she a saint? Probably not, but does she deserve to be missing and probably dead? Definitely not.

I'm damn sure if my life was put under a microscope, people would find things that I'd be ashamed about, just as I'm sure there's a lot out there Stacy would wish we didn't know.

I personally do not believe Stacy had anything to do with Kathleen's death but I do fear she either put 2 +2 together or Drew indirectly told her and that is the reason she is dead, imo.

I wish there was any slightest thing to hold onto that she has left and is going to meet up with Drew at some later date or that she's run off with another man. I'm not naive, however.

Cury-us Coyote

11-15-2007, 03:01 AM

Bump to top.

Leanne Weich

11-15-2007, 04:44 AM

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

I'm HOPING that what devotion meant was that since the brother is a sex offender, he was probably also a victim himself. When refering to "children" they were speaking of SP and her brother.... please correct me if I'm wrong. [/*]

If you're wrong, then I am too, as I interpreted Devotion's post the same way.

unclezeek

11-15-2007, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by Love Lee ann
I am another here at the board that has an unpopular opinion.
I also think Stacy had something to do with KS death.
I also think that DP and SP have this all planned and will meet up in some God forsaken place soon
JMHO [/*]You mean then they can live happily every after, away from the scandle that was created by Stacys dissapearence in the first place?

If I were you I would take this theory to the FBI, CIA, Secret Service, Santa Clause, and the Tooth Fairy......

ninga72

11-15-2007, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
You mean then they can live happily every after, away from the scandle that was created by Stacys dissapearence in the first place?

If I were you I would take this theory to the FBI, CIA, Secret Service, Santa Clause, and the Tooth Fairy...... [/*]

dont forget the easter bunny!!!!!!!! :santa:

drip~drop1

11-15-2007, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by Darlene66
Poor Kathleen Savio is the true victim here as I believe she was killed by Drew Peterson and either Stacey was a co-conspiritor or simply knew of his plans to get rid of his wife so THEY could marry. I do not have any sympathey for Stacey Peterson as she had NONE for sleeping with another woman's husband and moving into her bed and robbing his children of a mother. Ultimately, they had a grand time cashing in Kathleen's life insurance policies. Stacey Peterson is trash and she apparently met her match in Drew Peterson. Karma rings true, here. [/*]

Ok, this tickered me off a bit.
Lemme tell you some reality. But first, yes, Kathleen Savio IS a victim of dp and I feel she was totally ignored in her pleas for help and those who ignored her...they should pay a price for that.

Now, to what I have to say to you.
I dated this cop once. Him and his cop buddies came in to dinner at a place I managed one night. Then again the next night and on and on.
Finally he asked me out and I accepted. He was a LEO in my hometown.
We dated....this man, sat in his uniform at my FAMILYS dinner table, bought me a diamond ring and so forth.
Guess what. The pos was married the entire time!
I don't know when he was ever at home but he was married with children. His LEO buddies never bothered to care as they were dating on the side too!

I feel for women married to (some) LEO because I've seen what they do firsthand while the wife thinks life is just spiffy. yeah. ha.:rolleyes: MOO IMO JMO and so on...................

drip~drop1

11-15-2007, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by ninga72

im thinking either a seriously scorned wife...or the next in line for the mrs peterson position..... [/*]

If it's #2...that she wants to be #5, I hope she'd run like hell.:chicken:
moo

MadamForeman

11-16-2007, 08:04 PM

OMG...Fox just announced that it is a homicide per autopsy by Baden!!

MadamForeman

11-16-2007, 08:07 PM

Shep was interviewing the correspondent on the "case", and he said it was confirmed..."It is a Homicide"...... Shep said, "There you go folks, breaking now first on Fox" ...etc...OMG

Of course I am not surprised, I just wasn't expecting that announcement just now!

watchu

11-16-2007, 09:26 PM

Yep Baden says 'homicide'.... Killed elsewhere....

Also reported... No phone call to Drew at 9pm ....

AcesNQueens

11-17-2007, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by watchu
Yep Baden says 'homicide'.... Killed elsewhere....

Also reported... No phone call to Drew at 9pm .... Can you say GUILTY?!!

The noose tightens...

AcesNQueens

11-17-2007, 08:51 AM

Cury-us Coyote

11-18-2007, 05:21 PM

New Video: See and Hear Dr. Baden Who Performed an Autopsy on Wife #3!!!
by Greta Van Susteren

But if you want to see video that has NOT been show or posted any place else, see below:
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

Cury-us Coyote

11-19-2007, 07:09 PM

Drew Peterson appears on national TV againFirst wife talks, third wife reburied
(includes Video)

Savio's body was reburied Monday around 3 p.m. after being exhumed last week.
...
"I think it's just a really tough day for our family, to go through this again, it's just like going through another funeral again. It's replaying in all of our heads," said Nick Savio. "It's too bad it had to take Stacy Peterson disappearing to open our case. We never want to see that happen."

"It's bringing us closer to closure. We know now that she was murdered. It's not a good thought but it brings us closer. Now we know what really happened to her," said sister Sue Doman. "We have to bury her again. I don't know of anyone that has had to go through this."

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=5769607

Cury-us Coyote

11-19-2007, 08:39 PM

(re. Dr. Baden autopsy, media restraint)
http://www.amw.com/pdf/Scan002.PDF

Cury-us Coyote

11-21-2007, 12:59 PM

Bolingbrook Cop Chief Sought To Discipline Peterson

When asked about the 2004 death of Drew Peterson's third wife Kathleen Savio, Chief McGury would only say that he was not a member of the Bolingbrook police department then, adding he is determined to get to the bottom of it. When asked if the department dropped the ball on the case, he said "Yeah, I think we could have done a better job."

http://www.wbbm780.com/Bolingbrook-Cop-Chief-Sought-To-Discipline-Peterso/1237403

Cury-us Coyote

01-02-2008, 10:54 AM

http://www.kathleenkittysavio.com/
http://www.kathleenkittysavio.com/about.html
http://www.kathleenkittysavio.com/events.html

Cury-us Coyote

01-02-2008, 11:15 AM

Family seeks tips on death
http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/722306,CST-NWS-boling02.article

Lyndawitha"Y

01-02-2008, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Psychofant
Thank you and agreed Jymlea!

I was hoping that it would get its own place.

I think for Kathleen's sakes it should be separate and I for one believe the KS has everything to do with the SP case but not the search part.

SP is only missing BECAUSE of the KS case so cannot ignore the connections. [/*]

Good morning to you..this is the first time I even noticed this thread for Kathleen ..Glad to see that..I will be reading this thread...especially as more information of the Grand Jury's findings, and investigation progresses!

Thanx again, for this thread:rose:

LMS:seeya:

Cury-us Coyote

01-02-2008, 07:20 PM

Website wants tips about death of Peterson's third wife
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=5866910

Cury-us Coyote

01-02-2008, 08:25 PM

Savio family launches Web site
http://www.chicagosuburbannews.com/lisle/homepage/x1295925442

JeniferHart

01-05-2008, 09:59 AM

For some reason I just cant get Kathleen's death off my mind so Ive puzzled my brain and come up with another question. Did Kathleen's attorney, at the time, ever give any public statements after her death? Did she even have an attorney during the restraining orders and court bickering with DP? I would think if she went to such great links, to write the states attorney office she feared DP was going to kill her, she would have at least had an attorney, who could or should have been her voice, after her death, yet I never have heard anything of her having an attorney or why the attorney didnt DEMAND a proper investigation into her death at that time. Puzzling.:shrug:

henry

01-05-2008, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by JeniferHart
For some reason I just cant get Kathleen's death off my mind so Ive puzzled my brain and come up with another question. Did Kathleen's attorney, at the time, ever give any public statements after her death? Did she even have an attorney during the restraining orders and court bickering with DP? I would think if she went to such great links, to write the states attorney office she feared DP was going to kill her, she would have at least had an attorney, who could or should have been her voice, after her death, yet I never have heard anything of her having an attorney or why the attorney didnt DEMAND a proper investigation into her death at that time. Puzzling.:shrug: [/*]

the letter she sent to atty. general copied walter jacobson . . . here's the link . . . don't know if he's an attorney

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i//msnbc/Sections/TVNews/Dateline%20NBC/_Stories/2007/December/Drew%20Peterson/peterson_police.pdf

i also think the restraining order had an attorney's name on it . . . will go & look

henry

01-05-2008, 02:58 PM

grady is the one on the protection order - page 4 on the attached - hope this helps;)

http://www.amw.com/pdf/peter001.PDF

Cury-us Coyote

01-05-2008, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by henry

the letter she sent to atty. general copied walter jacobson . . . here's the link . . . don't know if he's an attorney

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i//msnbc/Sections/TVNews/Dateline%20NBC/_Stories/2007/December/Drew%20Peterson/peterson_police.pdf

i also think the restraining order had an attorney's name on it . . . will go & look [/*]

IIRC, WJ is a Chicago investigative reporter, co-anchored with Bill Curtis in 70’s on local CBS
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/kurtis.jacobson.columbia.2.592966.html

henry

01-05-2008, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by FocusFactor

Walter Jacobson was a Chicago reporter/anchor/news host for about 40 years. He was at Fox (WFLD) at the time of KS letter. [/*]

thanks for the info. now it's even more interesting . . . why would she copy him. was he a personal friend . . . or was there a professional relationship regarding a story/expose WJ was working on.

everytime a piece of information comes along . . . it seems to explode into more questions.

henry

01-06-2008, 08:23 AM

reading & lurking over at the family's website . . . found this post from mikeST . . . walter jacobson doing an investigative piece on gacy. here's part of the post

But people that knew gacy previously, all said he was a big blow-hard. They said you could see that 5 minutes after meeting him. VERY similar to DP. The way DP acts on the TV...is very similar to the way Gacy acted in his interview with Walter Jacobsen. Its sort of weird.
The only way I can describe it, is an arrogance, and also a disdain for the people they have to answer to.
After all those years in Prison...he denied in the interview that he had anything to do with any of the crimes. Then he picked up a rope and demonstrated the "rope trick " the killer used. He actually did it on Walter Jacobsen.
Always maintained that someone else must have done the crime....some 3rd party that no-one was really looking for.

JeniferHart

01-06-2008, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by henry
grady is the one on the protection order - page 4 on the attached - hope this helps;)

http://www.amw.com/pdf/peter001.PDF [/*]

very much, thanks! It just raises more questions why the attorney didnt do more to have this investigated properly. Maybe they tried, I dont know. Maybe local corruption the attorney may have been told to back off as well, your guess is as good as mine at this point.:shrug:

JeniferHart

01-06-2008, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by FocusFactor
Everyone failed her. [/*]

They sure did. :rose:

DRJAN

01-13-2008, 11:03 PM

Isn't amazing that Drew Peterson is the only one who had this mysterious phone call twice from Stacy. When in fact she didn't take a cell phone with her. Or the fact she didn't take any clothes, or any pictures of her children. And he can't remember where this phone call came from or the number that would show up on caller ID. This woman is dead. And they will never find her.

Cury-us Coyote

01-18-2008, 08:58 PM

Baden: Extra toxicology tests needed to cover basis
http://www.chicagosuburbannews.com/romeoville/homepage/x1295939253

Cury-us Coyote

01-25-2008, 11:37 AM

Savio's signature in dispute
http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/758919,CST-NWS-drew25.article

Cury-us Coyote

01-25-2008, 11:53 AM

Administrator's Final Report - KS probate
http://www.suntimes.com/images/cds/MP3/peterson-adminreport.pdf

newbiee

01-25-2008, 11:54 AM

I found it. Look at the two signatures and compare.

http://media.myfoxchicago.com/john/..._saviowill1.PDF

http://www.suntimes.com/news/759286...drew2.fullimage

:shrug:

Cury-us Coyote

01-25-2008, 12:01 PM

Forensic Document Examiner from Sun Times
http://www.suntimes.com/images/cds/MP3/peterson-sig.pdf

Cury-us Coyote

01-25-2008, 05:03 PM

Did Drew Peterson Forge Court Documents?
http://www.nbc5.com/news/15138821/detail.html

Cury-us Coyote

01-26-2008, 12:08 PM

Did Peterson break state law?
Suspect notarized document in which he had a financial interest
http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/760989,CST-NWS-bside26.article

Cury-us Coyote

01-31-2008, 07:10 PM

IIRC and IMO, the pastor articulated lengthy, informative, and descriptive answers to 70 of the 74 questions posed by GVS. He refused to elaborate upon the following four questions.

1. While relaying Stacy’s “He Did It” statement, NS asked SP for specific details which NS could not share, IMO. WHY?
SCHORI: I asked for more specific things. She gave me details that I really can't share. But I just got her talking about it and asked her what — this is a crazy amount of information. Again, I asked her, What exactly can I do with this? Why did you tell me? I asked her if she had ever told anyone else. She said at the time, she had never told another person.

2. While GVS attempted to determine if Stacy was only speculating or had facts and attempting to understand Stacy’s motivation for sharing the information with Pastor NS, again NS could not share, IMO. WHY?
SCHORI: Well, she shared details with me that I can't — I'm not comfortable getting into, but it was very clear. It was very clear that this was not just speculation. She was not jumping to conclusions.

3. When GVS probed for the DP’s exact words used in the alleged confession to SP, again NS did not provide that level of detail, IMO. WHY?
SCHORI: I'm not sure that I can give that detail.

4. After GVS isolated that the morning after the incident DP told SP that SP knew where he was the night of KS’ death, GVS attempted to learn what else was said during the conversation, IMO. NS refused to share more details. WHY?
SCHORI: All that I feel that I can share, yes.

Transcript of the December 10th OTR interview -
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316418,00.html
FOX OTR Two Part Videos –
Fox News Pastor Videos 5:43 2:55
Part1
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?121007/121007_greta_pastor&On_the_Record&Speaking%2520Out%2520Pt%252E1&Speaking%2520Out%2520Pt%252E1&On%2520the%2520Record&-1&Shows&572&&&new
Part 2
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?121007/121007_greta_2pastor&On_the_Record&Speaking%2520Out%2520Pt%252E2&Speaking%2520Out%2520Pt%252E2&On%2520the%2520Record&-1&Shows&292&&&new

jmo

Cury-us Coyote

01-31-2008, 09:06 PM

Savio Family Hires Lawyer To Open Civil Case
Family Of Drew Peterson's 3rd Wife Say Her Estate Was Mishandled
http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/savio.drew.peterson.2.642958.html

Cury-us Coyote

01-31-2008, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by FOX_IDOL321
Thanks for all the good links. [/*]

You're very welcome. :seeya:

Cury-us Coyote

01-31-2008, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Savio Family Hires Lawyer To Open Civil Case
Family Of Drew Peterson's 3rd Wife Say Her Estate Was Mishandled
http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/savio.drew.peterson.2.642958.html [/*]

Video
http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=39260@wbbm.dayport.com

Land Shark®

01-31-2008, 11:27 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Yes, family has filed a law suit to sue DP for wrongful death. WTG
CT

Not filed yet CT. But it's coming. :)

Cury-us Coyote

02-01-2008, 12:36 AM

SavioÂ’s Family Could Sue Peterson for Wrongful Death
Drew Peterson could soon be facing a wrongful death lawsuit. That's according to court documents filed by the family of Kathleen Savio, Peterson's third wife who mysteriously died four years ago. As Craig Wall reports, Savio's family wants her estate re-opened.
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=5645378

Cury-us Coyote

02-01-2008, 01:05 AM

3rd wife's siblings prepare for lawsuit
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-drew-peterson_02feb01,0,6437689.story

lili

02-01-2008, 01:24 AM

Good.

JMO

Cury-us Coyote

02-01-2008, 10:44 AM

Family of Peterson's dead wife wants to run estate
http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/771062,CST-NWS-boling01.article

lili

02-02-2008, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by DRJAN
Isn't amazing that Drew Peterson is the only one who had this mysterious phone call twice from Stacy. When in fact she didn't take a cell phone with her. Or the fact she didn't take any clothes, or any pictures of her children. And he can't remember where this phone call came from or the number that would show up on caller ID. This woman is dead. And they will never find her. [/*]

What I find most obscene is that he's acting the part of a "deserted husband", and doing on purpose to show that she's out there, somewhere.

I've no doubt she is, but I do doubt they will find her. But again, Laci managed to get herself found in the end, so there's hope, IMO.

I can't help thinking that he took some clues from SP and what he did. I hope I'm wrong. But there was speculation at the time of Laci Petereson's case that her body may have been disposed of in an acid bath of some sort, in some waste dump.

In the end, as we all know, Laci's body and her son's Conner, washed out on the shore where SP went "fishing": the day she "disappeared".

I doubt Stacy Peterson will be found in that same way. Her husband's a cop, after all :)

JMO

Cury-us Coyote

02-04-2008, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by stopthemurde
<respectfully snipped>
Statutes of Limitations for Wrongful Death Lawsuits

Every wrongful death lawsuit is subject to a statute of limitation s. Statutes of limitations cap the amount of time that a person who has lost a loved one to wrongful death has to initiate a lawsuit. Generally, family members are allowed between one and three years (depending on the state) from the time of death to file a claim. If they fail to observe the statutes of limitations, their claims may be barred forever.

Keep in mind, though, that there are exceptions. For example, if the death was originally deemed an accident rather than the result of someone else's negligence or malice, the statute of limitations will be adjusted so that it takes effect when the true cause was discovered rather than at the time of death.

<respectfully snipped>

http://www.personalinjuryfyi.com/wrongful_death.html

GOOD LUCK ON YOUR CASE - I AM SURE IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL

:rose: for Kathleen- for me this board is as much about Kathleen as it is about Stacy. [/*]

STM - how sure are you the date of death exception is applicable in Illinois? TIA

Wrongful Death
Generally: 2 years of death. 740 ILCS 180/2.

Children: Able to sue 2 years after reaching the age of majority.
http://www.illinoislegaladvocate.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.dsp_content&contentID=278

legalease

02-04-2008, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by henry
reading & lurking over at the family's website . . . found this post from mikeST . . . walter jacobson doing an investigative piece on gacy. here's part of the post

But people that knew gacy previously, all said he was a big blow-hard. They said you could see that 5 minutes after meeting him. VERY similar to DP. The way DP acts on the TV...is very similar to the way Gacy acted in his interview with Walter Jacobsen. Its sort of weird.
The only way I can describe it, is an arrogance, and also a disdain for the people they have to answer to.
After all those years in Prison...he denied in the interview that he had anything to do with any of the crimes. Then he picked up a rope and demonstrated the "rope trick " the killer used. He actually did it on Walter Jacobsen.
Always maintained that someone else must have done the crime....some 3rd party that no-one was really looking for. [/*]

ODD .... I saw the the Gacy segment and now that you mention the personality similarities with DP - it fits - they're both smug and talk far too much and have the same demeanor/manner when they do. Very observant of you!

Cury-us Coyote

02-10-2008, 03:43 PM

Public Section
CARROLL JAMES * 2 13 8 RVJC 830 04P 000188 Motions
DOMAN ANNA M 2 13 8 RVJC 830 04P 000188 Motions
GRABAVOY DENISE 2 13 8 RVJC 830 04P 000188 Motions
IN THE MATTER OF 2 13 8 RVJC 830 04P 000188 Motions
KAVANAGH RICHARD 2 13 8 RVJC 830 04P 000188 Motions
PETERSON DREW 2 20 8 RVJC 830 04P 000232 Motions
PETERSON DREW W 2 13 8 RVJC 830 04P 000188 Motions
PETERSON KRISTOPHER 2 13 8 RVJC 830 04P 000188 Motions
PETERSON KRISTOPHER 2 20 8 RVJC 830 04P 000232 Motions
PETERSON THOMAS D 2 13 8 RVJC 830 04P 000188 Motions
PETERSON THOMAS D 2 20 8 RVJC 830 04P 000232 Motions
SAVIO KATHLEEN 2 13 8 RVJC 830 04P 000188 Motions

Attorney Section
OVERMANN MICHAEL L 2 13 8 830 RVJC CARROLL JAMES * 04P 000188 PROB
OVERMANN MICHAEL L 2 13 8 830 RVJC IN THE MATTER OF THE 04P 000188 PROB
JUNE FORD CHESTER 2 20 8 830 RVJC IN THE MATTER OF THE 04P 000232 PROB

http://www.willcountycircuitcourt.com/

IMO, several familiar people will apparently gather at River Valley Justice Center at 8:30 AM on the two upcoming Wednesdays.
jmo

Cury-us Coyote

02-10-2008, 03:53 PM

http://www.dglawfirmil.com/profiles.html

Right Click

02-12-2008, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by legalease

ODD .... I saw the the Gacy segment and now that you mention the personality similarities with DP - it fits - they're both smug and talk far too much and have the same demeanor/manner when they do. Very observant of you! [/*]

I agree. Very interesting.

awareness

02-12-2008, 09:54 PM

I wish the Savio family all the luck.

lol @ DP calling them money-grubbers or the like. What a JOKE.:rolleyes:

jmo/imo

DRJAN

02-13-2008, 09:37 PM

Hello to All: I was reading the post about the differences between DP and John Wayne Gacy. I worked at the crime seen when the bodies were is discovered. I was in the academy and was there when they were digging out all the bodies. Yes it is true, he did denied everything. My response to him was okay let's say you didn't do this can you explain how the boy were buried in a small crawl space which you have to enter the house move a chair which was by a closet door were the trap door was and crawl under the space dig up the mud and bury the body and cover it up with lime and crawl back out were mud would be on your shoes tracking it every where in the house. And that a garage pad with concrete was pour to cover the bodies and no one else could see this is just a crock of crap. Drew is definatley the same I did work with him on a case and he was the most igorant person you ever wanted to meet. He will be caught and punished for his crimes.

Cury-us Coyote

02-14-2008, 09:56 AM

Savio family: Kids should get money
COURT APPEARANCE
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/793723,4_1_JO14_PETERSON_S1.article

Cury-us Coyote

02-21-2008, 08:06 PM

BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!
by Greta Van Susteren
BREAKING NEWS — PATHOLOGIST DECLARES KATHLEEN SAVIO’S DEATH A HOMICIDE (SHE IS, OF COURSE, WIFE #3 OF FORMER SGT. DREW PETERSON) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MORE TO COME SOON…

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

Cury-us Coyote

02-21-2008, 08:09 PM

HERE IS THE OFFICIAL WORD!
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

hinman

02-21-2008, 08:21 PM

Great News!!!

bchand

02-21-2008, 08:42 PM

Found it here also:

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=5972961

Wudge+

02-21-2008, 08:46 PM

Is there hard evidence that points to anyone?

unclezeek

02-21-2008, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
Can Kathleen Savios posts now all be moved to her own thread; as her own murder since her death Certificate has been legally changed as of today as a Homicide? That would be great instead of her thread under Stacy's.....I'm sure that would really bother Kathleen actually thinking from her POV; you know??
Cat [/*]How about just change the name to the Drew Peterson thread?

Wudge+

02-21-2008, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
NG says homicide by drowning was now ruled out; is intv doctor now; and Joel Brodsky is just laughing away in the background...
Tech Diff; Mike Brooks says as a former Inv,
he totally disagrees with JoelB......

Ppl who testified were all cops who lied for DP that is becoming very very clear, unless she DOVE INTO THE TUB per mike; there is no way she "drown in a tub with no water"
lmao

Dr on now and he says that the no of bruises on KS body that the bruises were from a beating; it's unlikely that the pathologists were comf with this COD MOD too; Dr says it doesnt add up; her bruising isnt consistent with the MOD or the COD
Period end of stroy.

Cat [/*]

Brodsky laughing at Nancy shows the man has some sense after all.

sunstar

02-21-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by CAT TOY
NG says homicide by drowning was now ruled out; is intv doctor now; and Joel Brodsky is just laughing away in the background...
Tech Diff; Mike Brooks says as a former Inv,
he totally disagrees with JoelB......

Ppl who testified were all cops who lied for DP that is becoming very very clear, unless she DOVE INTO THE TUB per mike; there is no way she "drown in a tub with no water"
lmao

Dr on now and he says that the no of bruises on KS body that the bruises were from a beating; it's unlikely that the pathologists were comf with this COD MOD too; Dr says it doesnt add up; her bruising isnt consistent with the MOD or the COD
Period end of stroy.

Cat [/*]
Thanks CAT TOY for posting Nancy's updates. I can't see her show now but I'll be watching it later tonight. First of all I'm glad that the ME report is finally out and it confirms Dr. Baden's findings. I just don't know how they'll tie DP to her death ~ to be able to prove it in court.

kittymalone

02-21-2008, 09:42 PM

I'm currently watching Nancy Grace about this case. A little o/t here but this has been bugging me. How is it that Sheba from Illinois is able to get a phone call in every single night? I've tried to call into the show countless times and never get through! What's Sheba's "In"?

unclezeek

02-21-2008, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by stopthemurde
Autopsy: Drew Peterson's third wife was murdered

Drew Peterson said this evening that he was “shocked” by the results. “You’re kidding me. Unbelievable. That’s hard to believe. I’m shocked,” said Peterson, a former Bolingbrook Police sergeant/

So this is so hard for him to believe... ??? We have a hard time believing that he is not arrested yet :flamemad:

NOW IT HAS STARTED: THE DOWNFALL OF DREW PETERSON :beer: [/*]Now it has started? This is old news.
Heck, I knew this 4 years ago. And there are plenty of people other than Drew who could have killed her. So this still could take awhile.

Cury-us Coyote

02-21-2008, 10:20 PM

Peterson's 3rd wife's death ruled a homicide
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/peterson/807384,JO21_PETERSON_WEB_022108.article

Cury-us Coyote

02-21-2008, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Peterson's 3rd wife's death ruled a homicide
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/peterson/807384,JO21_PETERSON_WEB_022108.article [/*]

Includes many new DP quotes, apparently AR & his attorney appeared at grand jury today and received immunity for testifying.
jmo

kellabeck

02-21-2008, 10:54 PM

I look forward to Drew Peterson's eventual trial and conviction and justice for Kathleen, long overdue.

And then they can try Drew for killing Stacey and hiding her body.

Karma. Ain't it beautiful?

Cury-us Coyote

02-22-2008, 01:03 AM

Second Official Autopsy Rules Kathleen Savio's Death a Homicide
A forensic pathologist who was called into conduct a second autopsy on the body of Drew Peterson's third wife has ruled her death a homicide. It's a ruling that may cause Peterson to worry, even as his fourth wife is still missing. Craig Wall reports from Bolingbrook with the latest on the case.
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=5847702

henry

02-22-2008, 05:55 AM

thank goodness . . . would someone please check in with ks's kids . . . would hate to have dp break the news to them . . . please get the kids away from him . . . where are ks's relatives on this - please do something . . . for goodness sakes !!!!

also, if there's a video broadcast of ng last nite, i'd love to see it. if i find it, i'll post it here.

wandering

02-22-2008, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by henry
thank goodness . . . would someone please check in with ks's kids . . . would hate to have dp break the news to them . . . please get the kids away from him . . . where are ks's relatives on this - please do something . . . for goodness sakes !!!!

also, if there's a video broadcast of ng last nite, i'd love to see it. if i find it, i'll post it here. [/*]Morning, henry. Here's the transcript of last nights NG show.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/21/ng.01.html

Anakerie

02-22-2008, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by stopthemurde

Disturbing to read how Srew putrs this:
"He said he is prepared to go to jail if the police show up at his door to arrest him.

“Let them do it,” Peterson said. “Everything’s ready. Everything’s in place.

“Let them do their thing,” he added, almost daring police and prosecutors to pull the trigger on charges.

“The thing is, do what you got to do,” he said defiantly. “You roll the dice, I’ll roll the dice.”

---- Snipped----- [/*]

Those quotes from Drew worry me. It almost sounds as though he has something planned for when the time comes for arrest warrants. So defiant. So... Almost like he's daring them to come get him, but he's not going to taken alive? I don't know... ::shaking head::

darcie

02-22-2008, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by unclezeek
Now it has started? This is old news.
Heck, I knew this 4 years ago. And there are plenty of people other than Drew who could have killed her. So this still could take awhile. [/*]

So please, broaden our minds....who are you pointing your finger at? What other, who other, suspects is/are there? There was no burglary, no forced entry, so I need another scenario, because if not, I can see Drew Petersons mug all over this one. I see means, motive, opportunity, convenience, and I see Drew.

MOO

Edited to add that this is just my opinion. I am open for it to be changed.

Cury-us Coyote

02-22-2008, 12:02 PM

unclezeek

02-22-2008, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by darcie

So please, broaden our minds....who are you pointing your finger at? What other, who other, suspects is/are there? There was no burglary, no forced entry, so I need another scenario, because if not, I can see Drew Petersons mug all over this one. I see means, motive, opportunity, convenience, and I see Drew.

MOO

Edited to add that this is just my opinion. I am open for it to be changed. [/*]My finger points at Drew, but unless there is evidence that puts Drew in that house at or around the TOD, then I wouldn't expect to see him in handcuffs just because of this release.
The police have been investigating this as a homicide since the case was re-opened in November.
And no forced entry could lead to anyone she knew and let in the house.

That's all I was saying, I don't think this press release is the final nail in Drews coffin so much as a nail that has been there for months.

darcie

02-22-2008, 12:31 PM

Thanks for clarifying that for me guys. I did misunderstand, and I do wish I could find another suspect. I'm tired of always looking at the husbands.

:(

gemsbmw

02-22-2008, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
HERE IS THE OFFICIAL WORD!
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/ [/*]

I think after getting to know DP we knew she had been. :rose:

cherylt

02-22-2008, 03:17 PM

The above link didn't work for me (Greta). So here is another link if you have a problem too:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331892,00.html

unclezeek

02-22-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by stopthemurde

Who else had to gain by her death? Drew got $3 million according to the Savios True, but nobody knew about that untill after she was dead, perhaps there was someone else that thought they were to gain from her death

Who else would need to make sure the murder looked like an accident? Pretty much anybody who wanted to get away with her murder

it was very odd Drew would not call the cops if Kathleen was "missing" for 1.5 days ,.....Even odder that her family wouldn't. [/*]

lonetraveler

02-22-2008, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
[/*]
==============================================
Forget about the $3million, he definitely gained from not having an ex-wife to send child support to, he also did not have to share anything in the divorce, including the printing and bar businesses or even the proceeds from the house or any property they owned together. After "Finding" a handwritten will, he owned everything, even the children's inheritance. There are some men who will not pay child support, they would rather get rid of the children's mother before they will pay....just look at the last two years history of men who have murdered their children's mother or killed their pregnant wives to keep from paying child support. Unless you know something different from all of us here on this board, Drew Peterson is the only one who would be better off if KS was not in the picture.............

unclezeek

02-22-2008, 07:07 PM

Unless you know something different from all of us here on this board, Drew Peterson is the only one who would be better off if KS was not in the picture............. [/*]How exactly does all of you on the board know that Drew is the ONLY one better off? That aside, considering she took a beating, would money have to be the only motive?
What is it that you know that rules out a crime of passion?

Don't get me wrong, I think Drew killed her. But what I've seen discussed here doesn't prove to me that it was Drew beyond all reasonable doubt did it, especially since nobody can put him in the house at the TOD.

unclezeek

02-22-2008, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by stopthemurde

:lol: crime of passion... I guess you have not followed too many real life mysteries... [/*]No, I haven't. I follow football. Stacy was my friend, that is the only reason I care about this at all.

As to everything else you wrote, the Savios didn't start insisting it was murder untill 3 and a half years later when the state police re-opened the case.

Do I think that he would have seen the crime scene as a staged murder as every lay person has who has taken a look at it? I don't know but it sure seemed to fool alot of people who were more than just lay people. 3 and a half years before any of them questioned it.

And still you have provided me nothing that proves beyond all reasonable doubt that Drew did it.

Good thing I already thought he did.

unclezeek

02-22-2008, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by stopthemurde

According to the Savios they pressed for the case to be ruled as a murder.

They had a huge file on the case which they gave to Greta when Stacy went missing and Greta was in Drews house IIRC. Greta, Baden, and Fuhrman were the ones who investigated the death and who put pressure on BBle to get the case reopened. But it was initiated by the Savios.

The Savios claim that they were totally ignored at the time when KS was found dead.

I have watched these cases so often that when Susan Smith claimed her children were taken during a carjacking I knew immediately from looking at her that she had killed them. Same with Scott Peterson, and many others. These cases happen with such regularity that there is a clear pattern who and why someone is murdered and who their murderer is. [/*]You need to re-check your information. I do not know or care much about Susan Smith or Scott Peterson, but I do know this case and I know you are mistaken.

unclezeek

02-22-2008, 09:25 PM

Why do you think Nancy Grace wont ask the question...Where was the Savio family when Drew was getting awarded the estate?

I doubt I'll get an answer to this.

henry

02-22-2008, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
Why do you think Nancy Grace wont ask the question...Where was the Savio family when Drew was getting awarded the estate?

I doubt I'll get an answer to this. [/*]

apparently you've got so much information . . . why not answer your own question and help all of us that also care so much . . . tia

north-eh

02-22-2008, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
Why do you think Nancy Grace wont ask the question...Where was the Savio family when Drew was getting awarded the estate?

I doubt I'll get an answer to this. [/*]

o.k. I'll bite UZ. Where was the Savio family when Drew was getting awarded the estate? I'm not being scarcastic, just wondering myself now, is all.
jmo

Cury-us Coyote

02-22-2008, 10:29 PM

Sue Doman on Today Show with Matt Lauer 2/22
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23291801/

unclezeek

02-22-2008, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by henry

apparently you've got so much information . . . why not answer your own question and help all of us that also care so much . . . tia [/*]I wish I could, but when this was in court, Kathleens interests were defended by a court appointed atourny because NOBODY from her family was there.
That is how Drew got controll of the estate.

And I am not exclusive with this info!

I FOUND IT OUT RIGHT FREEKING HER ON THIS BOARD!!!

Cury-us Coyote

02-22-2008, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
I wish I could, but when this was in court, Kathleens interests were defended by a court appointed atourny because NOBODY from her family was there.
That is how Drew got controll of the estate.

And I am not exclusive with this info!

I FOUND IT OUT RIGHT FREEKING HER ON THIS BOARD!!! [/*]

"The actions of the Executor were not in the best interest of the Estate or its beneficiaries," wrote Richard J. Kavanagh, the court-appointed administrator for Savio's estate.

Kavanagh was involved in the case because no one from Savio's family formally volunteered to represent the estate in court. He called the will a "purported will" in court papers.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/758919,CST-NWS-drew25.article

Fallen Angel

02-23-2008, 04:48 AM

Originally posted by stopthemurde
Brodsky appeared Thursday night on CNN Headline News' "Nancy Grace" and noted that Savio's autopsy showed a mild thickening of her heart's mitral valve. He theorized that "from her mitral valve thickening, she has a mild heart infarction [heart attack]. She becomes unconscious, hits her head and drowns in the water."

I wish the defense would have to stick to their "story of what happened" ... this one for sure would loose the case for them. [/*]that still wouldn't account for the bruises and the cut on her head though:rolleyes:

Manix

02-23-2008, 06:32 AM

Originally posted by GH247
What I find most interesting about this case is the original coroner's report which overlooked an apparent homicide. Was this due to incompetence or was it intentional? Who was the coroner? Coroners are not necessarily medical doctors. The coroner in my county is the sheriff. Is that the case here?

Yes. Only a medical examiner is trained in forensic examination and discovery. There has to be incompetence here for this not to have been picked up.

henry

02-23-2008, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by unclezeek
I wish I could, but when this was in court, Kathleens interests were defended by a court appointed atourny because NOBODY from her family was there.
That is how Drew got controll of the estate.

And I am not exclusive with this info!

I FOUND IT OUT RIGHT FREEKING HER ON THIS BOARD!!! [/*]

thank you . . . now i see what you're saying. now we just have to answer the next question in my mind . . . when was the last time the savio family saw/visited with/had phone contact/emailed kathleen's children . . .

edit . . . and thank you cucoyote for the link.

edit edit . . . just finished watching fox news video "you're kidding me" with jeanine pirro . . . "corruption in that town" . . . excellent video . . . she explains a lot and what needs to be done

henry

02-23-2008, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by stopthemurde
Brodsky appeared Thursday night on CNN Headline News' "Nancy Grace" and noted that Savio's autopsy showed a mild thickening of her heart's mitral valve. He theorized that "from her mitral valve thickening, she has a mild heart infarction [heart attack]. She becomes unconscious, hits her head and drowns in the water."

I wish the defense would have to stick to their "story of what happened" ... this one for sure would loose the case for them. [/*]

ita . . . does one become unconscious during/after a mild heart attack? don't think so . . . but my medical knowledge is scant.

JHP

02-23-2008, 09:59 AM

I was wondering if anyone knows how old Kathleen Savio's children were when she died.
How soon after her death did Stacy adopt them?

Thank you if anyone knows.

unclezeek

02-23-2008, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by MelindaJones
I apologize if this has been gone over already but can anyone tell me what happened to his first and second wives? [/*]Alive and well.

lonetraveler

02-23-2008, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by stopthemurde

According to the Savios they pressed for the case to be ruled as a murder.

They had a huge file on the case which they gave to Greta when Stacy went missing and Greta was in Drews house IIRC. Greta, Baden, and Fuhrman were the ones who investigated the death and who put pressure on BBle to get the case reopened. But it was initiated by the Savios.

The Savios claim that they were totally ignored at the time when KS was found dead.

I have watched these cases so often that when Susan Smith claimed her children were taken during a carjacking I knew immediately from looking at her that she had killed them. Same with Scott Peterson, and many others. These cases happen with such regularity that there is a clear pattern who and why someone is murdered and who their murderer is. [/*]

==============================================
ITA: The Savios probably were ignored just like Kathleen was ignored when she sought help. Most likely, the same LE who IMO "either dropped the ball or helped Old Drew out with the coverup" were the ones in charge when the Savios sought an investigation.....and they received the same response that Kathleen did.

lonetraveler

02-23-2008, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
No, I haven't. I follow football. Stacy was my friend, that is the only reason I care about this at all.

As to everything else you wrote, the Savios didn't start insisting it was murder untill 3 and a half years later when the state police re-opened the case.

Do I think that he would have seen the crime scene as a staged murder as every lay person has who has taken a look at it? I don't know but it sure seemed to fool alot of people who were more than just lay people. 3 and a half years before any of them questioned it.

And still you have provided me nothing that proves beyond all reasonable doubt that Drew did it.

Good thing I already thought he did. [/*]

==============================================

You mean beyond "a" reasonable doubt and not "all" reasonable doubt, don't you??

Pinetree

02-23-2008, 02:49 PM

So.....Kathleens family didn't represent her estate in court? Were they asked? Did they remain in contact with Kathleens boys? If not, why not? Did they try?

I do believe that Drew killed Kathleen. I wonder how much Stacy knew....or suspected? As far as we know, Drew figured he'd gotten away with murder. Nobody was making any noise about it when Stacy went missing. Or, were they? Was Stacy using what she knew as a lever to get what she wanted? Divorce, money, custody etc.? Makes sense to me. Stacy as an alibi had become Stacy as a witness....against Drew.

Cury-us Coyote

02-23-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Pinetree
So.....Kathleens family didn't represent her estate in court? Were they asked? Did they remain in contact with Kathleens boys? If not, why not? Did they try?

I do believe that Drew killed Kathleen. I wonder how much Stacy knew....or suspected? As far as we know, Drew figured he'd gotten away with murder. Nobody was making any noise about it when Stacy went missing. Or, were they? Was Stacy using what she knew as a lever to get what she wanted? Divorce, money, custody etc.? Makes sense to me. Stacy as an alibi had become Stacy as a witness....against Drew. [/*]

IIRC, media reports from both DP and the Savio family indicate little to no contact between the Savio family and Kathleen and Drew's sons between KS's funeral until SP's disappearance. Efforts to maintain contact are unclear, IMO.

IIRC, at GVS onsite broadcast from Bolingbrook one of Savios commented some like "We lost" regarding the coroner's inquest. AFAIK, no other Savio initiated efforts are reported; therefore many are assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that nothing occured, IMO. IF no effort, IMO, the only sensible explanations are –

1) the Savio family lacked confidence in their local authorities and lacked knowledge to seek assistance outside their immediate jurisdiction.
2) the Savios were too afraid of someone, or a group of someones, to seek justice.
3) the Savios were unable to unite as a family combining talents, skills, and resources to get-r-dun.

This investigation without a witness and crime scene is not scotch or cheese and does not get better with age.
jmho

Pinetree

02-23-2008, 05:11 PM

The article says nobody in Kathleens family "formally" stepped in....I take that to mean, they didn't have a lawyer. Lawyers cost money.

And, I imagine they felt they were up against the entire police dept.

I know that Kathleens sister has said she was suspicious and concerned.....:shrug:

unclezeek

02-23-2008, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by lonetraveler

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ITA: The Savios probably were ignored just like Kathleen was ignored when she sought help. Most likely, the same LE who IMO "either dropped the ball or helped Old Drew out with the coverup" were the ones in charge when the Savios sought an investigation.....and they received the same response that Kathleen did. [/*]Or Kathleen was ignored because she was intoxicated, which is probobly why the family was so quick to buy the whole "accident" thing.

north-eh

02-23-2008, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by JHP
I was wondering if anyone knows how old Kathleen Savio's children were when she died.
How soon after her death did Stacy adopt them?

Thank you if anyone knows. [/*]

I believe Stacy and Drew adopted the older two children after Kathleen's death in 2004. Kathleen had two boys. The oldest being about 12yrs. old at the time of her death. Sorry, don't know about the youngest. Perhaps someone can help.
jmo

Anakerie

02-23-2008, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
Or Kathleen was ignored because she was intoxicated, which is probobly why the family was so quick to buy the whole "accident" thing. [/*]

Was Kathleen known to be frequently drunk enough to fall down a lot? I don't remember any reports on how much she drank alcohol.

unclezeek

02-23-2008, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by Anakerie

Was Kathleen known to be frequently drunk enough to fall down a lot? I don't remember any reports on how much she drank alcohol. [/*]Are ther reports on how much you drink?

Stacy told me she was "always F@#%ed up" .
So take that for what it's worth. I never gave it any thought untill the last six months.

north-eh

02-23-2008, 08:12 PM

I, for one do not believe Kathleen's alcohol consumption has anything to do with this. Even if she did drink, we have two independent autopsy reports confirming it to be a "homicide".

jmo

BobbysGirl

02-23-2008, 08:18 PM

:read:

TY
from one of your posts:

steffaroob4
Member
Registered: Jun 2007
Location:
Posts: 804
quote:
Originally posted by unclezeek
In 2003 Stacy made reference to Kathleen being under the influence (of what I can only speculate) and calling, harrassing her and Drew. That her kids had made mention of her drinking, and that Stacy herself had a face to face confrontation with her while Kathleen was intoxicated.

This may be BS, it may be true. But all I have read points to that being a possability. I guess it all depends on how much of what Stacy said you want to believe.

I did not know Kathleen, but
I also haven't heard a whole lot about her backround since this all came up either. [/*]

Well, her autopsy was negative any drugs and alcohol.
http://www.amw.com/pdf/coronerdeathreport.pdf
page 6

I found the abdomen brusies interesting.

Last edited by steffaroob4 on 02-23-2008 at 05:28 PM

TY, for the pdf link. I had been researching trying to find any toxocology reports on Kathleen.

Were there any toxocology reports on Kathleen in her death, ruled as accidental?

I am not surprised here to learn of the autopsy on Kathleen as homocide and Kathleens second one from Baden.

Very interesting to learn of the bruises and such. TY

BG

unclezeek

02-23-2008, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by north-eh
I, for one do not believe Kathleen's alcohol consumption has anything to do with this. Even if she did drink, we have two independent autopsy reports confirming it to be a "homicide".

jmo [/*]NO, what you have is drowning as cuase of death.

In the opinion of two medical examiners, it was not an "accidental" drowning.

It is still drowning? Right? Correct me if I am wrong.

Anakerie

02-23-2008, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
Are ther reports on how much you drink?

Stacy told me she was "always F@#%ed up" .
So take that for what it's worth. I never gave it any thought untill the last six months. [/*]

lol, I doubt very much there would be reports on how much.. Or how little I drink. I was talking about a source, like in the family or the neighbors. I don't think I even heard Steve C., Drew's puppet, ever say anything about Kathleen being drunk. Did you?

steffaroob4

02-23-2008, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by BobbysGirl
:read:

TY
from one of your posts:

steffaroob4
Member
Registered: Jun 2007
Location:
Posts: 804
quote:
Originally posted by unclezeek
In 2003 Stacy made reference to Kathleen being under the influence (of what I can only speculate) and calling, harrassing her and Drew. That her kids had made mention of her drinking, and that Stacy herself had a face to face confrontation with her while Kathleen was intoxicated.

This may be BS, it may be true. But all I have read points to that being a possability. I guess it all depends on how much of what Stacy said you want to believe.

I did not know Kathleen, but
I also haven't heard a whole lot about her backround since this all came up either. [/*]

Well, her autopsy was negative any drugs and alcohol.
http://www.amw.com/pdf/coronerdeathreport.pdf
page 6

I found the abdomen brusies interesting.

Last edited by steffaroob4 on 02-23-2008 at 05:28 PM

TY, for the pdf link. I had been researching trying to find any toxocology reports on Kathleen.

Were there any toxocology reports on Kathleen in her death, ruled as accidental?

I am not surprised here to learn of the autopsy on Kathleen as homocide and Kathleens second one from Baden.

Very interesting to learn of the bruises and such. TY

BG [/*]

That is the original report from 2004, they are holding back the new findings, they only released the ruling that changed from accident to homicide.

steffaroob4

02-23-2008, 08:37 PM

Can we please just make a daily thread here, all the thread jumping is giving me a headache?

agree or disagree??

mollybrown

02-23-2008, 08:38 PM

Sounds Good to me

:D

north-eh

02-23-2008, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
NO, what you have is drowning as cuase of death.

In the opinion of two medical examiners, it was not an "accidental" drowning.

It is still drowning? Right? Correct me if I am wrong. [/*]

UZ
No matter how you cut the pie, yes, "drowning" was the cause of death. But, it appears it was not her choice and I firmly believe Drew had something to with it. But of course, we have more questions than answers and I'm willing to wait and see what LE have put together to draw the final picture.

jmo

north-eh

02-23-2008, 09:07 PM

lol I agree with one thread. I've been hopping around so much, I ran into myself coming back!!!

BobbysGirl

02-23-2008, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by steffaroob4
Can we please just make a daily thread here, all the thread jumping is giving me a headache?

agree or disagree?? [/*]

OK by me. I came on reading and got lost between threads.

:)

BG

mollybrown

02-23-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by north-eh
lol I agree with one thread. I've been hopping around so much, I ran into myself coming back!!! [/*]

:beer: Me too, kinda scared myself LOL

BobbysGirl

02-23-2008, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by north-eh

UZ
No matter how you cut the pie, yes, "drowning" was the cause of death. But, it appears it was not her choice and I firmly believe Drew had something to with it. But of course, we have more questions than answers and I'm willing to wait and see what LE have put together to draw the final picture.

jmo [/*]

Willing and waiting. Drowning as the 'cause' but their are other factors. The bruises, the gash in head. It does not add up to just a drowning to me. IMO

Even if the bathtub slowly drained over a period of said hrs in previous posts. There must be more blood evidence. Somewhere! (And bruises still seen to naked eye after the interrment? From my understanding of Baden). They did not disappear. Sad, that we had to hear of this homocide 4 years after the fact. I truly believe there is more to this than is alotted to us.

Was the case ever closed?
IMO must not have been.

Family members apperently would not and could not give up the first findings of an accidental death. Cold case file?

So sad for the children involved. Also, from my point of view, good for Drew for turning TV off in front of his children. When things are derogatory towards their Dad. Sad for them, they must see and hear their father talk on TV. Defending and accusing As if...... they must be very confused by now. And going to school? What they must be hearing and enduring there?

Someone needs to get them out of his sight and mind.

One of the things I did hear on the news, that if he got arrested...he (according to news, not me) said he hoped to get arrested and then Stacy (paraphrase) will come home and clear him up of charges in Kathleens death. That was what I heard a day or two ago. WisH I had a link. Any one caught this?

So much for the pundits. As far as I am concerned, Drew saying that would not surprise me at all.

As always, Above my opinions.

BG

lonetraveler

02-23-2008, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
Are ther reports on how much you drink?

Stacy told me she was "always F@#%ed up" .
So take that for what it's worth. I never gave it any thought untill the last six months. [/*]

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I'm simply not going to put much belief in anything Stacey might have said about an ex-wife of Drew Peterson. I don't think that she was in any way justified in giving an opinion on her boyfriend's wife. She most likely believed anything that the love of her life said about Kathleen. I experienced hearing everything about my husband's ex-wife when I was dating him and they were going through child support issues, her remarrying and her issues with him dating, you name it I've heard it. Later, after my marriage I and my "wife-in-law" became very good friends and she was always welcome in my home. Stacey was very impressionable and gullable when she met Drew and was very involved with his breakup of his marriage and the problems following concerning the separation, child visitation, etc. What she had to say about Kathleen would have been vey bias based upon what she heard from Drew...

Anakerie

02-23-2008, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by steffaroob4
Can we please just make a daily thread here, all the thread jumping is giving me a headache?

agree or disagree?? [/*]

:seeya: Agree

lonetraveler

02-23-2008, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by BobbysGirl
:read:

TY
from one of your posts:

steffaroob4
Member
Registered: Jun 2007
Location:
Posts: 804
quote:
Originally posted by unclezeek
In 2003 Stacy made reference to Kathleen being under the influence (of what I can only speculate) and calling, harrassing her and Drew. That her kids had made mention of her drinking, and that Stacy herself had a face to face confrontation with her while Kathleen was intoxicated.

This may be BS, it may be true. But all I have read points to that being a possability. I guess it all depends on how much of what Stacy said you want to believe.

I did not know Kathleen, but
I also haven't heard a whole lot about her backround since this all came up either. [/*]

Well, her autopsy was negative any drugs and alcohol.
http://www.amw.com/pdf/coronerdeathreport.pdf
page 6

I found the abdomen brusies interesting.

Last edited by steffaroob4 on 02-23-2008 at 05:28 PM

TY, for the pdf link. I had been researching trying to find any toxocology reports on Kathleen.

Were there any toxocology reports on Kathleen in her death, ruled as accidental?

I am not surprised here to learn of the autopsy on Kathleen as homocide and Kathleens second one from Baden.

Very interesting to learn of the bruises and such. TY

BG [/*]

==============================================
I'm also intrigued by the abdominal bruises. Their size resembles what you would expect from a policeman's baton. Hummmmmmmm! Or a fist with the knuckles hitting the stomach area.......

mollybrown

02-23-2008, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Sugarnspice

IIRC, his first wife Carol, the mother of his two oldest sons including Steve who is the police officer that was called to testify and received all the money from his father, has remarried and did one or two interviews.

IIRC, His second wife Vicky seems to be in hiding but did give one interview in which she state that Drew was abusive and implied that he could kill her and make it look like an accident.

jmo [/*]

I also believe that HER daughter was in that interview and said that she believed that DP was tapping the phone, because he would have information about conversations that she had with people.

steffaroob4

02-23-2008, 10:08 PM

Sry, I went to grab some food and take some motrin, try this,
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=325187

steffaroob4

02-23-2008, 10:17 PM

I feel like a bunny doing all this hopping around, lol. I am just so glad to see traffic, it has been so lonely here for a while.

steffaroob4

02-23-2008, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by lonetraveler

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I'm also intrigued by the abdominal bruises. Their size resembles what you would expect from a policeman's baton. Hummmmmmmm! Or a fist with the knuckles hitting the stomach area....... [/*]

Do you remember the old flexible policeman batons? That is what I thought as soon as I read it.

--------
I am taking this post to the new daily thread, lol.

mollybrown

02-23-2008, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by steffaroob4
I feel like a bunny doing all this hopping around, lol. I am just so glad to see traffic, it has been so lonely here for a while. [/*]

I agree, I have been checking in. Got caught up in the mark jensen stuff and as that will be over on Wednesday I am hoping that we get some action over here. I sure can't get caught up in ANOTHER case like that again, what which Stacy still missing and the MOD COD or Kathleen.

north-eh

02-23-2008, 10:29 PM

Oh ITA BobbysGirl. It sounds to me that Kathleen was beaten before she was drowned. What else would account for all of the bruising found on her body. Surely not from a fall in a tub.IMO One thing that has always bothered me and it is only a minor detail, but I have always been a stickler for anything minor and it is the question of the "water stopper" in the tub. Has anyone ever mentioned if there was one. I just thought that would be a good indication if the water had simply seeped out because it was loose or if maybe there was none at all. To me, no water stopper at all (even if it were built into the faucet) would tell me no water was in the tub and she was supposed to be taking a bath!!!! Hello? That would have been clue#1 for me. Just throwing this out there.

jmo

tagalong

02-24-2008, 02:49 AM

Did JQK take on the Savio case?

I remember some discussion that Kathleen was possibly drowned in the commode prior to being placed in tub. This would surely account for bruises on her stomach, neck, arms and a cut on her head. (Horrible to think about.)

unclezeek

02-24-2008, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by lonetraveler

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I'm simply not going to put much belief in anything Stacey might have said about an ex-wife of Drew Peterson. [/*]So the pastors story is out?

north-eh

02-24-2008, 01:44 PM

I thought I heard that this will showed up about a"year" after Kathleen's death? Not sure and please correct me if I'm wrong.

jmo

north-eh

02-24-2008, 09:00 PM

Originally posted by stopthemurde

I just saw a link a few days ago where Drew produced it within 15 days after her death... there is a link for it somewhere...
if you google or search the forum you mey find it- but I am pretty sure the source was solid on that...

IMO he went to KS home to find it before killing her... it was date like 1997
KS supposedly had written a new will and was going to give her sisster acopy but never got around to it... her life was stopped :flamemad: [/*]

Thank you. It's not that I doubt what you said, just that I am still again shocked at this man's audacity. I shall continue to search.:read:

KINSEY

02-25-2008, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by north-eh
Oh ITA BobbysGirl. It sounds to me that Kathleen was beaten before she was drowned. What else would account for all of the bruising found on her body. Surely not from a fall in a tub.IMO One thing that has always bothered me and it is only a minor detail, but I have always been a stickler for anything minor and it is the question of the "water stopper" in the tub. Has anyone ever mentioned if there was one. I just thought that would be a good indication if the water had simply seeped out because it was loose or if maybe there was none at all. To me, no water stopper at all (even if it were built into the faucet) would tell me no water was in the tub and she was supposed to be taking a bath!!!! Hello? That would have been clue#1 for me. Just throwing this out there.

jmo [/*]

The original investigation was so lacking in so many areas, that I doubt the LE did any kind of test to see if the water would actually leak out of the tub.

Being this was a very new house, I find it hard to believe the water leaked out of the tub.

I hope they look into that this time around!!

wandering

02-25-2008, 05:49 AM

Who knows what evidence they have. Even if DP never goes to trial, he will forever be linked to these allegations. That could be a more fitting punishment. Like OJ...

CopperDog

02-25-2008, 06:09 AM

Originally posted by wandering
Who knows what evidence they have. Even if DP never goes to trial, he will forever be linked to these allegations. That could be a more fitting punishment. Like OJ... [/*]

ITA, what is sad is that this will also be hanging over his children.
What happened to Mommy, she can't be on "vacation" forever.

lonetraveler

02-25-2008, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
So the pastors story is out? [/*]

==============================================
I was under the impression that the pastor's story was about Stacey stating that she knew that Drew had murdered Kathleen. I'm not aware that she was talking about Kathleen's reputation. Is there a story from the Pastor that I'm not aware of??? Please send me some information if you can. I'm very interested because I'm one of those "enquiring minds" that want to know....
I do believe that the longer that Stacey lived with Drew that the more aware she became of just how evil and dangerous he really was. I was her age when I married a much older man who was sent from the devil himself. I did not realize this until time had passed after the marriage. I can definitely empathize and understand where Stacey was coming from. I can also understand how Drew could have convinced her to be retalitory against Kathleen just because Drew himself was. It is amazing how love can blind you to the real truth.......

north-eh

02-25-2008, 07:29 PM

Yes, ITA about the welfare of the children. I wonder how they act when they are out of the house and at school or just not with their father? Surely someone knows and trys to keep some sort of an "eye" on them. Teachers, neighbours, even friends I'm sure have to wondering about these children. I find it so heartbreaking to even imagine what they must be thinking and feeling. They are certainly in my prayers.

jmo

north-eh

02-26-2008, 12:10 AM

Just saw Brodsky on Greta tonight. He asked her for a copy of the latest autopsy report of kathleen from Baden. She asked him if he or his .client had a problem with it and he said no, just wanted to review it is all. She also said straight out that it looked like a homicide right from the start and he said the report said accident, bla, bla, bla and she said she would put his request next to the others she had. No firm commitment. ( this is all paraphrased, of course). She also said if his client was charged, he then would have privy to the autopsy by discovery, of course. (paraphrased)

jmo

steffaroob4

02-26-2008, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by north-eh
Just saw Brodsky on Greta tonight. He asked her for a copy of the latest autopsy report of kathleen from Baden. She asked him if he or his .client had a problem with it and he said no, just wanted to review it is all. She also said straight out that it looked like a homicide right from the start and he said the report said accident, bla, bla, bla and she said she would put his request next to the others she had. No firm commitment. ( this is all paraphrased, of course). She also said if his client was charged, he then would have privy to the autopsy by discovery, of course. (paraphrased)

jmo [/*]

He was begging Greta to get it for him. He needs some help, I am starting to worry about him:confused:

ruger

02-26-2008, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by steffaroob4

He was begging Greta to get it for him. He needs some help, I am starting to worry about him:confused: [/*]

Ya think he might be "teetering" on that ole edge? :lol:

Ah, man - I hate that for him:rolleyes:

steffaroob4

02-26-2008, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by ruger

Ya think he might be "teetering" on that ole edge? :lol:

Ah, man - I hate that for him:rolleyes: [/*]

It really makes me think that DP will drop him like a hot potato when he is charged and pay for a good attorney.

ruger

02-26-2008, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by steffaroob4

It really makes me think that DP will drop him like a hot potato when he is charged and pay for a good attorney. [/*]

I so hope he does, DP, that is ........I want him to have a good attorney, that will eliminate the possibility of any appeals based on ineffective counsel. jmo

north-eh

02-26-2008, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by steffaroob4

He was begging Greta to get it for him. He needs some help, I am starting to worry about him:confused: [/*]

Yes, he seemed a bit anxious to get that report to their ME, CW. It should be interesting to hear what he has to say.

Anakerie

02-26-2008, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by north-eh

Yes, he seemed a bit anxious to get that report to their ME, CW. It should be interesting to hear what he has to say. [/*]

I managed to fall asleep during Greta's show last night and missed seeing what Brodsky's excuses were. Can anyone fill me in or point me to the transcript of the show? I was so mad at myself for dozing off... lol

Devotion

02-26-2008, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by snoopyone
Very sad Dear Santa letter from one of Kathleen's boys.
Just a snip was on Greta

All I want is my Dad to leave my Mom alone
Give her a divorce [/*]

and; "..I don't want anything to happen to her.."

That poor child. Heartwrenching

[i]Originally posted by GoldensGlitter [/i

Plain and simple.........tragic. I cannot even imagine living in that environment. Poor children, it';s just sick. [/*]

JMO...The SAD thing is this poor child had to start living in the same house with this "sick guy"every day from then on....sad, sad, sad, and wrong..

Devotion

02-26-2008, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by lonetraveler
==============================================
ITA: The Savios probably were ignored just like Kathleen was ignored when she sought help.

Most likely, the same LE who IMO "either dropped the ball or helped Old Drew out with the coverup"

were the ones in charge when the Savios sought an

investigation.....and they received the same response that Kathleen did. [/*]

JMO...Bingo!...Ignored...a cover-up or just plain lazy, didn't want to be bothered and was only interested in their "pay checks"... after all, they get the same pay-checks whether they do anything or not.

Devotion

02-26-2008, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by stopthemurde

How do you know her house was very new? The new owners just replaced all windows... but the old windows up for sale on eBay..you don't usually do that for a new house.

I don't think it is really an issue if the water drained out or not... it must have. She must have been in water (somewhere) for some time to get pruning on fingers. The dried blood near the drain would have indicated the blood from the head must have got into the water and the bloody water drained out, some of it drying up near the drain.

How many bath tubs did that house have? Did it have a pool or jacuzzi or any other water feature? [/*]

JMO...I've also thought she may have been murdered in another bathroom or the basement.
Some where that had a sink or tub that held water and moved upstairs.

Thus Leaving NO evidence of a struggle in the bedroom bath area.

Devotion

02-26-2008, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
Are ther reports on how much you drink?

Stacy told me she was "always F@#%ed up" .
So take that for what it's worth. I never gave it any thought untill the last six months. [/*]

Originally posted by lonetraveler

================================
I'm simply not going to put much belief in anything Stacey might have said about an ex-wife of Drew Peterson.
I don't think that she was in any way justified in giving an opinion on her boyfriend's wife.

She most likely believed anything that the love of her life said about Kathleen.

Stacey was very impressionable and gullable when

she met Drew and was very involved with his breakup of his marriage
and the problems following concerning the separation, child visitation, etc....

What she had to say about Kathleen would have been very BIAS based upon what she heard from Drew... [/*]

JMO...I agree...IT happens in second, third or fourth marriages.
Also, she believed and repeated anything bad or negative just to cover her GUILTY CONSCIENCE for breakiing up a marriage and possibly being indirectly responsible for a death.

KINSEY

02-26-2008, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by stopthemurde

How do you know her house was very new? The new owners just replaced all windows... but the old windows up for sale on eBay..you don't usually do that for a new house.

I don't think it is really an issue if the water drained out or not... it must have. She must have been in water (somewhere) for some time to get pruning on fingers. The dried blood near the drain would have indicated the blood from the head must have got into the water and the bloody water drained out, some of it drying up near the drain.

How many bath tubs did that house have? Did it have a pool or jacuzzi or any other water feature? [/*]

I"ve been to that subdivision, the homes are not OLD homes, rather new homes. That is all I'm saying, didn't mean to upset anyone with a mere thought that it might be a fairly new bathroom & that the tub shouldn't leak!

mrsjp

02-26-2008, 01:29 PM

Hi,

the other night on Greta she said sometime about bones being found 10 miles from Peterson home. Police said they have "no reason to believe they could be Stacey's" How could they say that without knowing?

I never heard more. Could they be testing them without Drew or us knowing?

Birdy

02-26-2008, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Devotion

JMO...Bingo!...Ignored...a cover-up or just plain lazy, didn't want to be bothered and was only interested in their "pay checks"... after all, they get the same pay-checks whether they do anything or not. [/*]Its jmo but I don't think the reason is their paychecks, imo it is F-E-A-R......... In the PD's depts there is a code of silence between the themselves and if they break that code they are treated pretty harshly by their fellow officers and that for the most part keeps them silent out of fear of such treatment............ Many a good cop was forced to quit after such treatment....... IMO it is a bad code but then I am not a cop, soooooo would I report them if I knew something? Heck no, not even as a civilian. Guess I'm just a coward , but I wouldn't......
Would you???:chicken:

Birdy

02-26-2008, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by steffaroob4
Can we please just make a daily thread here, all the thread jumping is giving me a headache?

agree or disagree?? [/*]ITA, how can you reply to topic when the topic is shared? To your request ---->:beer:

Cury-us Coyote

02-26-2008, 02:37 PM

Challenger says coroner failed
SAVIO INVESTIGATION
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/812560,4_1_JO26_PETERSON_S1.article

Birdy

02-27-2008, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by unclezeek
How exactly does all of you on the board know that Drew is the ONLY one better off? That aside, considering she took a beating, would money have to be the only motive?
What is it that you know that rules out a crime of passion?

Don't get me wrong, I think Drew killed her. But what I've seen discussed here doesn't prove to me that it was Drew beyond all reasonable doubt did it, especially since nobody can put him in the house at the TOD. [/*]Hi Unc, your right, so far no
one can put him e house at the time of death but ha admittently puts himself "AI" the house during some hours around the TOD. ....but.... They can put him "IN" the house at the time of discovery of K'a body in the bathtub. Also it was he who was sooooooo concerned for a day and a half that he called in a locksmith and 2 neighbors to enter with him instead of breaking a window for quick entry, or calling 911 to report a problem. Naw he called a locksmith and Mary and another neighbor and had them go upstairs to check for her while he waited downstairs and waited for the first shriek of (probably) "Oh my God"!!!
Yeah, he was Sooooo worried all right..... Gimme a break.
IMO he knew she was dead and planned to have others discover her body and be his witness that he wasn't up there. Yeah, he was Sooooooo scared barf ......He walked free for 3 years because he had his witness to his so called where abouts and
a police crew who honored the BCOS. IMO he killed Kathleen and will probably continue to get away with that murder but Stacy is another story. IMO He'll go down for that one.....hammer barf

mrsjp

02-27-2008, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Sugarnspice

I vaguely remember someone on her saying they thought that the bones were of a male so obviously not Stacy. I don't have any links though. sorry. [/*]

thanks, i didnt hear the male part obviously.

have a good one..

sunmoonsky4u

02-27-2008, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
Are ther reports on how much you drink?

Stacy told me she was "always F@#%ed up" .
So take that for what it's worth. I never gave it any thought untill the last six months. [/*]

not worth much, IMO
Stacy also told LE that drew was with her at the time of KS death and provided him an alibi.
Then years later tells the pastor that drew told her he killed Kathleen.
so which is it when things are good for her drew didn't kill kathleen and when things are bad he did??
Beside's the fact that the autopsy showed no alcohol was found in Kathleens body at the time of death.

unclezeek

02-27-2008, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Birdy
Hi Unc, your right, so far no
one can put him e house at the time of death but ha admittently puts himself "AI" the house during some hours around the TOD. ....but.... They can put him "IN" the house at the time of discovery of K'a body in the bathtub. Also it was he who was sooooooo concerned for a day and a half that he called in a locksmith and 2 neighbors to enter with him instead of breaking a window for quick entry, or calling 911 to report a problem. Naw he called a locksmith and Mary and another neighbor and had them go upstairs to check for her while he waited downstairs and waited for the first shriek of (probably) "Oh my God"!!!
Yeah, he was Sooooo worried all right..... Gimme a break.
IMO he knew she was dead and planned to have others discover her body and be his witness that he wasn't up there. Yeah, he was Sooooooo scared barf ......He walked free for 3 years because he had his witness to his so called where abouts and
a police crew who honored the BCOS. IMO he killed Kathleen and will probably continue to get away with that murder but Stacy is another story. IMO He'll go down for that one.....hammer barf [/*]As soon as someone can prove Stacy is dead.

MystryPhobia

02-27-2008, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
As soon as someone can prove Stacy is dead. [/*]

In some eyes that has already been proven. She wouldn't leave her children. She was scared for her life. She knew about a previous crime.. I could go on and on and on but I know you will say that doesn't prove she is dead.. and YET.. you believe she is dead and that he did it.

I know you like to be the squeeky wheel but at some point you have to give in to what you believe in your heart and have stated over and over on this board. The scum bag (IT IS OKAY TO CALL HIM THAT.. YOU BELIEVE HE MURDERED YOUR FAMILY MEMBER) deserves to go down for all that he has done.

Cury-us Coyote

02-28-2008, 07:52 PM

Drew Peterson's gun card revoked
Asked whether she discussed those issues with Brodsky, Odeh said, "Absolutely. I don't think it's appropriate. I think it is in the client's best interest to keep it quiet and focus on the case. But he just says the case is going to make us famous and we're all going to get book deals."

Odeh said she plans to meet with Peterson and tell him that she believes he should behave in a more professional manner, and if that doesn't happen, she will push to have him dropped as a client.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-drew-peterson-both_28feb28,0,3012687.story

Cury-us Coyote

02-28-2008, 08:07 PM

Peterson Still Maintains He Did Nothing To Wives
(includes Carrie Simmons video)
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/drew.peterson.interview.2.664942.html

Lyndawitha"Y

02-28-2008, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Drew Peterson's gun card revoked
Asked whether she discussed those issues with Brodsky, Odeh said, "Absolutely. I don't think it's appropriate. I think it is in the client's best interest to keep it quiet and focus on the case. But he just says the case is going to make us famous and we're all going to get book deals."

Odeh said she plans to meet with Peterson and tell him that she believes he should behave in a more professional manner, and if that doesn't happen, she will push to have him dropped as a client.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-drew-peterson-both_28feb28,0,3012687.story [/*]

I find it so intersting that the judge in this case is willing to give back Drew's gunds, cars and other evidence...What's going on..Do they or do they not have evidence of K.Savio's murder and Drew's appearnce at finding the remains..and to my knowledge no alibi ( other than Stacy..who is conveniently missing)..why can they not hold Drew in custody!

Is there method in their madness?..Maybe,,but I am confused..as to Stacy..do they not have enough cicumstanial evidence to at least hold him on suspicion? I am totally confused..when some are held on the flimsiest excuse..and when it's high profile..they scoot sideways!

The old statement....The accused has more rights than the victim!!..I do not want to jump to concludions however..behaviors and statments on record ( Media/Police statements) have to count for something!

LMS

mollybrown

02-28-2008, 08:12 PM

unclezeek

02-28-2008, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by Lyndawitha"Y

I find it so intersting that the judge in this case is willing to give back Drew's gunds, cars and other evidence...What's going on..Do they or do they not have evidence of K.Savio's murder and Drew's appearnce at finding the remains..and to my knowledge no alibi ( other than Stacy..who is conveniently missing)..why can they not hold Drew in custody!

Is there method in their madness?..Maybe,,but I am confused..as to Stacy..do they not have enough cicumstanial evidence to at least hold him on suspicion? I am totally confused..when some are held on the flimsiest excuse..and when it's high profile..they scoot sideways!

The old statement....The accused has more rights than the victim!!..I do not want to jump to concludions however..behaviors and statments on record ( Media/Police statements) have to count for something!

LMS [/*]IMO, the judge is acting to the letter of the law, and if you really want to see Drew spend the rest of his life in prison, you'd better hope everyone involved does (at least from this point, because they sure didn't 4 years ago).

Cury-us Coyote

02-28-2008, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by mollybrown

Very interesting article Cury. I wonder what ownership percentage Odeh owns. hmmmmm [/*]

Did you catch this paragraph?

Asked whether she discussed those issues with Brodsky, Odeh said, "Absolutely. I don't think it's appropriate. I think it is in the client's best interest to keep it quiet and focus on the case. But he just says the case is going to make us famous and we're all going to get book deals."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-drew-peterson-both_28feb28,1,3961160.story

lonetraveler

02-28-2008, 08:23 PM

I know that this topic has been beaten too death but I have to make one more comment on the ultralight plane that Drew owns. The plane was a two seater wasn't it? I have looked for a post that earlier on, during the big discussion on the ultralight, that Stacey had gone up with Drew before? Did someone else read that or am I having memory problems. I also looked at a link, in the link section of this topic and found a photo of what Drew's ultralight looked like. There are two people in this ultralight. Why do people think that there is no way that Drew could not have taken the body up and disposed of it somewhere else. I just thought I would point this out. I have read many people stating that it would be impossible. I'm not saying that I believe he did or didn't (IMO, someone helped him dispose of Stacey) but I did want to point out that if two live people can ride in the ultralight, then one live and one dead can ride in the ultralight. I did know a man in our neighborhood who had an ultralight and he always took his boxer dog with him.

mollybrown

02-28-2008, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

Did you catch this paragraph?

Asked whether she discussed those issues with Brodsky, Odeh said, "Absolutely. I don't think it's appropriate. I think it is in the client's best interest to keep it quiet and focus on the case. But he just says the case is going to make us famous and we're all going to get book deals."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-drew-peterson-both_28feb28,1,3961160.story [/*]

Yes I actually read the whole article and Brodsky is as big a piece of CARP as his client. :D

I also found this from a website about Brodsky

"He has two brothers. One is a Judge in Lake County, Illinois, and the other is a doctor at the University of Illinois Hospital."

A judge, a doctor and a ?

http://www.brodskyodeh.com/jsp3015255.jsp

unclezeek

02-28-2008, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by lonetraveler
I know that this topic has been beaten too death but I have to make one more comment on the ultralight plane that Drew owns. The plane was a two seater wasn't it? I have looked for a post that earlier on, during the big discussion on the ultralight, that Stacey had gone up with Drew before? Did someone else read that or am I having memory problems. I also looked at a link, in the link section of this topic and found a photo of what Drew's ultralight looked like. There are two people in this ultralight. Why do people think that there is no way that Drew could not have taken the body up and disposed of it somewhere else. I just thought I would point this out. I have read many people stating that it would be impossible. I'm not saying that I believe he did or didn't (IMO, someone helped him dispose of Stacey) but I did want to point out that if two live people can ride in the ultralight, then one live and one dead can ride in the ultralight. I did know a man in our neighborhood who had an ultralight and he always took his boxer dog with him. [/*]It had alot to do with how you operate an ultralight, how long you can stay airborn with no hands, where it was kept, who he was with when he drove out to it, and other factors that have made it unlikely.

Fallen Angel

02-28-2008, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
It had alot to do with how you operate an ultralight, how long you can stay airborn with no hands, where it was kept, who he was with when he drove out to it, and other factors that have made it unlikely. [/*]why be hands free at all? just wrap Stacy in a sheet and when you up there push her out of the passenger seat......easy as that.

unclezeek

02-28-2008, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by Fallen Angel
why be hands free at all? just wrap Stacy in a sheet and when you up there push her out of the passenger seat......easy as that. [/*]Not in an ultralight. Trust me the month of November was spent going over this, and the kite has been ruled out for many reasons.

Lyndawitha"Y

02-28-2008, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by unclezeek
IMO, the judge is acting to the letter of the law, and if you really want to see Drew spend the rest of his life in prison, you'd better hope everyone involved does (at least from this point, because they sure didn't 4 years ago). [/*]

U/Z I can't figure your point of view..it's sharp/ judgemental and full of assumtions??..I am simply curious?? I have no dog in this race..ony feel the frustrations of the legal system in attempting to get to the bottom of things..Drew has been the suspect named almost from day one..it's now 4 months..and they now have a homicidal death finding in Kathleen's death..and Stacy missing ( a probable witness)..Please do not take the holier than thou attitude..If you got the goods on Drew then bring him in..and charge him with something..Whether he's the God Send to the female community or the nastiest scoundral that walked the earth..Please make a move..or simply walk away..give him his guns and property and simply wait for him to make the WRONG MOVE..and give himself away!..But after reading your posts..you above all have confused me! Debate is one thing..but switching views almost on a daily/weekly basis conly confuses the readers of your posts??

LMS hammer

north-eh

02-28-2008, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote

Did you catch this paragraph?

Asked whether she discussed those issues with Brodsky, Odeh said, "Absolutely. I don't think it's appropriate. I think it is in the client's best interest to keep it quiet and focus on the case. But he just says the case is going to make us famous and we're all going to get book deals."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-drew-peterson-both_28feb28,1,3961160.story [/*]

Odeh also said if Drew doesn't stop talking to the media, she would push to be removed from the case. I wonder what he said about that? Interesting. :D

north-eh

02-28-2008, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by Lyndawitha"Y

U/Z I can't figure your point of view..it's sharp/ judgemental and full of assumtions??..I am simply curious?? I have no dog in this race..ony feel the frustrations of the legal system in attempting to get to the bottom of things..Drew has been the suspect named almost from day one..it's now 4 months..and they now have a homicidal death finding in Kathleen's death..and Stacy missing ( a probable witness)..Please do not take the holier than thou attitude..If you got the goods on Drew then bring him in..and charge him with something..Whether he's the God Send to the female community or the nastiest scoundral that walked the earth..Please make a move..or simply walk away..give him his guns and property and simply wait for him to make the WRONG MOVE..and give himself away!..But after reading your posts..you above all have confused me! Debate is one thing..but switching views almost on a daily/weekly basis conly confuses the readers of your posts??

LMS hammer [/*]

Well said Lynda. I've been wondering the exact same thing for a while now. Always back and forth. No offence UZ.;)

mollybrown

02-28-2008, 11:07 PM

Chicago reporter (Tera) on Greta. Sounds like Drewpy may have a new girlfiend. LOL

unclezeek

02-29-2008, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by north-eh

Well said Lynda. I've been wondering the exact same thing for a while now. Always back and forth. No offence UZ.;) [/*]guess wer're friends now?

Cury-us Coyote

02-29-2008, 10:43 AM

Renowned Psychotherapist Defends Care of Drew Peterson Children
http://www.prnewschannel.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=377&z=4

tagalong

02-29-2008, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Renowned Psychotherapist Defends Care of Drew Peterson Children
http://www.prnewschannel.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=377&z=4 [/*]

"Dr. Dan is available for media interviews" so that's what it's all about and I bet some day he'll have a book. ugh

north-eh

02-29-2008, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Renowned Psychotherapist Defends Care of Drew Peterson Children
http://www.prnewschannel.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=377&z=4 [/*]

Well what do you know. Well cared for by "outside help" and he knew Drew 20 yrs. ago. O.K.? uh huh.

jmo

tagalong

02-29-2008, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by north-eh

Well what do you know. Well cared for by "outside help" and he knew Drew 20 yrs. ago. O.K.? uh huh.

jmo [/*]

I wonder if the "outside help" is also homeschooling the kids.

north-eh

02-29-2008, 04:43 PM

Very good question, tagalong. Perhaps they are. hmmmmm.
Do you think that would explain them being home then when the papers were served? I thought I read that also.

jmo

Mamie

02-29-2008, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by Sugarnspice

that paragraph jumped out at me too. Seems like Brodsky isn't taking the case to win but to get a book deal. pathetic. [/*]

Yes, Brodsky likes all the bright lights and he has visions of sugar plums right now. If Odeh pushes to have DP dropped as a client, depending on hers and JB's business partnership, they may be splitting up. I don't foresee JB dropping Drew at all. JMO

Cury-us Coyote

03-01-2008, 03:41 PM

Email and Pic from OTR Producer
by Greta Van Susteren
I was emailed this pic from OTR Producer Cory Howard….she was in Bolingbrook, Illinois yesterday…and Sgt. Drew Peterson let her in his house to photograph and video….this is a pic of a pic of his wife #3 and their two boys (now 13 and 15)…the pic is displayed in Sgt. Drew Peterson’s home:

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

Lyndawitha"Y

03-01-2008, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Email and Pic from OTR Producer
by Greta Van Susteren
I was emailed this pic from OTR Producer Cory Howard….she was in Bolingbrook, Illinois yesterday…and Sgt. Drew Peterson let her in his house to photograph and video….this is a pic of a pic of his wife #3 and their two boys (now 13 and 15)…the pic is displayed in Sgt. Drew Peterson’s home:

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/ [/*]

I have spent most the morning catching up on the latest and greatest..after reading the UTD news from the psychic thread, as I do have a slight affinity about those perspectives..Drew's behavior..the information coming from psychic souces ( long before it's known through the media), I truly believe Drew has an accomplice and Stacy wil be found in April and for Drew..he'll be then brought to justice!..I think with that....Kathleen's demise will also come to light and Drew along with his partners in crime will be found out!!

Uncle Zeek..I hope you have some sort of stance..as your posts remain confusing!..Sometimes you just have to step back in order to see the picture unfolding?? There are details you maybe know..but don't let the little details cloud over the BIG DETAILS!
I say this with the utmost respect, but really in truly sometimes one must step back.

LMS:seeya:

Lyndawitha"Y

03-01-2008, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Stormy

My best advice to you is to ignore him. He has about 3 different personalities and likes to think that he is involved in this case. Kind of like that guy who tried to involve himself in the Jon Benet Ramsey case, can't remember his name.

I don't believe a word he says. He's weird, IMO [/*]

Stormy, I just can't ignore him as I really think he does have some details, and is totally confused by what is coming out..however, to me it really makes no never mind, as I have my stance..and I feel Drew has done some terrible things..and he will reap those rewards in time..It only frustrates me in that he's seeking the limelight and wants to be something he's not.

In Canada, no one personality gets this type of exposure..so not many fellow Canadians get to see the behaviors and attitudes of a suspect! It truly is unique to the USA that suspects are exposed and sometimes it proves to be wrong or mis-guided..leaving big law suits for wrongful something or other..
I am wondering whether it's better or worse???

LMS:seeya:

Anakerie

03-01-2008, 05:01 PM

Lyndawitha"Y

03-01-2008, 05:27 PM

Originally posted by Anakerie

Interesting that Drew has a picture of Kathleen and her boys displayed in the home. I wonder if Greta's producer found any pictures of Stacy on display. I also have to wonder if that picture was "on display" when Stacy was there. Or is this another thing from the publicist trying to show everyone Drew's "softer side".
:shrug: [/*]

I don't find it particularly interesting..remember he has hired a publicist ( Spin Doctor) to stage what he wants to portray...So not suprised at all..remember Drew has suggested that Stacy left with another man..course there's no other man listed as missing, nor suggested by Drew's camp.. total "Red Herring". But, he has paid some goof ball to help him and his attourney to appear "Good"..but it is not working..so maybe they should save their monies for a defense down the road!

Drew will truly be found and held accountable..and he's only making the most of his time left in " Freedon"!..He is such an evil soul..as I believe he has done some very nasty things in his life!

LMS:no: