Jamie Harper, 20, Paxton, IL - 3/9/07

[ATV1]

Now that we have done all that we can do for Naomi.. God Bless Her family.. There is another missing not too far away. Her name is Jamie Harper She was last seen at a house party in Rantoul. Please help this unfortunate family find their missing loved one.

[Columbine]

Has EquuSearch been contacted about this case?

If they came to launch a search, I would participate.
I took part in another local search very recently & was very impressed with them.

Columbine

[texasgal]

You know, when I was running names through searches in the last couple days, relative to another case, I was surprised to see Rantoul, Champaign, and Sadorus coming up as listed addresses. :shrug:

[texasgal]

Originally posted by grande
Interesting, thanks I don't recall seeing Rantoul in my research. [/*]

Those are the three towns attached to 'mom'. It would be interesting to see the dates, or if the boys spent much time there as kids or young men..

[texasgal]

Rantoul is also listed as a former address for JAA ...

[texasgal]

Originally posted by Rios, A
It says in the article that a tipster said she overdosed. imo [/*]

Hello sunshine :seeya:

Even if she overdosed, it would be a criminal act to otherwise dispose of her body, yes? We need to find her.

[texasgal]

Originally posted by grande


That certainly is an interesting development IMO, thank you!

I knew he lived on Duncan Road in Champaign in the mid to late 90's, didn't realize they had ties to Rantoul. [/*]

I thought it was interesting also .. former ties, friends, people to hang out with .. familiar with the area, etc.

Wonder how we find out whos house 'the party' was at, and if they are acquainted.

[texasgal]

Originally posted by grande
I have the names of everyone listed in the 1300 block of Laurel where the party was held. I gave you my best guess based on the Clerk's records associated with each what are your thoughts?

We are going to need the assistance of the family if we are going to make much progress imo. [/*]

Do we know who LE's POI is in the Zimmerman case? They are stating they have the same POI in this case also..

I'll admit that I didn't look at your two best guesses yet .. ;)

Edited to say: I agree re: family's help. Gotta have it.

[texasgal]

Mr. Birch appears to be quite the peach, huh?

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


"We're also receiving leads that say foul play is involved"

Source: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:yZSishYMPfQJ:illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/%3Fsid%3D1ec81d99a6ab32d11c5a335ec3404d55%26cid%3D 6070+%22jamie+harper%22+%22foul+play%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us [/*]

Did anyone else notice that the article in the above link was reported on the very same day that Naomi went missing?

When I saw that it gave me chills!

[Shells2]

Does anyone know anything about this party? Was there any sort of confrontation?

Did Jamie leave the party alone? Was her attendance even confirmed?

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande
Name Jamie E. Harper
Last Seen
3/9/2007 - Rantoul, Illinois wearing Blue jeans, white jacket, sandals, carrying small black bag.
County CHAMPAIGN COUNTY
Classification Endangered Missing
Date Of Birth 17-Oct-77
Physical Description 5'0" 125 lbs. brown hair / eyes
Hometown[/*] Gifford, Illinois
Link[/*]
http://www.nampn.org/cases/harper_jamie.html [/*]

i admit math is not my strongsuit. but in your post it says :

Last Seen
3/9/2007
Date Of Birth 17-Oct-77

in the link you provided, it says:

Age: 20

a 1977 birtdate would make her almost 30, not 20.

is the confusion on the age or the date she went missing?

(i read - from another link you gave - that the other woman, Heather Dawn Mullins Zimmerman, went missing in 1997)

(or did i just misread?)

[cog1]

Originally posted by grande
For what it's worth...

Jason D. Stephens
Ward P. Birch

Run those names through the Champaign County Clerk's office database (http://www.cccircuitclerk.com/) both traffic and criminal...

Both live on Laurel Drive in Rantoul... (NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING) [/*]

Has anyone researched Jeromy Ramm? He also lived at that address (last known address) when last arrested on 3/22/07 for residential burglary. He also has other criminal priors inluding domestic violence.

[cog1]

Info on Jeromy Ramm, 31.
One of his addresses listed in 98 is in a trailer park. However, not the one mentioned above. It also appears that another address given in 2002 could have been a trailer park in Champaign.

http://www.mobilehomeparkstore.com/directory/listillinois2.htm

[cog1]

Penny Dawn Lease missing from Champaign, was last seen with Larry Tellez.

Court records show a John L. Tellez with an extensive criminal reord and also some traffice violations including DUI.

His DOB puts him 5 years older than PDL.

Any thoughts on this?

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


I had Heather and Jamie's information on the same spreadsheet, I believe I may have copied Heather's DOB inadvertently I apologize. [/*]

no prob. i just asked to make sure. ty.

[HarlettOhara]

Hi Grande

I tried to send you a pm box you are filled up.. so I will post it here. I need to register a domain name for the website. I have thought up one and it's available. It would be helpfindthemissing.org Do you have any other suggestions?

[PinkPony]

I am really amazed and impressed how everyone is pulling together for this cause.

It makes me proud to be a fellow poster. :seeya:

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by grande


LOVE IT Harlett, Thank you!

My email addy is tdbweb2003@yahoo.com. Let me know if you need anything from me to proceed. I look forward to working with you on this as I believe we can make a difference.

I just emailed Jamie's cousin hoping to get some more details. I WILL find someone that will provide us with more information it's just a matter of time.

Thank you! [/*]

OK.. we now have the website http://helpfindthemissing.org

I will have to go on my server and set up a database and everything for it, so if you click on it now it will just say page not found.

It will be the weekend before I can do much of anything on it. What I have in mind is to have a home page with a picture of each missing person. Then you can click on a pix and it will take you to individual sites for each one...


ETA... just a thought, but we can add a message board to the site if you want.

[findingout]

Good morning everyone..... just here looking through some stuff seeing if I can find anything out about jamie....

[iluvmua]

Hopefully somebody knows something about what really happened to Jamie.

Do they have any witnesses that might have any information about Jamie's where abouts?

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


I am pretty confident that the name JOSH is accurate. I also hear he may have a bad case of 'slackjaw', perhaps that will lead to other revelations... [/*]

Wouldn't that be wonderful grande? I think it's about time someone "spilled the beans" so to speak.

[HarlettOhara]

the link for the missing website is working.. http://helpfindthemissing.org I still have a lot to do to it, but have it started.

grande, I will get an email sent off to you later on tonight and you can give me your ideas for it.

[HarlettOhara]

Thanks FF... it's a start. Hopefully I can get a lot of it done this weekend.

[Brattnt]

I just want to say what an honor it is to post with such wonderful people!!....Due to health issues, I am at home 24/7....If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know....I am far away from Illinois, but I have a computer, and am not completely dumb...LOL....:)

God bless you all....:rose:

[Shells2]

Originally posted by grande


I am pretty confident that the name JOSH is accurate. I also hear he may have a bad case of 'slackjaw', perhaps that will lead to other revelations... [/*]

What is slackjaw???

[Shells2]

Originally posted by jessie'sback


someone who talks too much. [/*]

Ohhhh good.. cuz from what I hear, Grande is an EXCELLENT listener!

[Shells2]

Here is some good info regarding Heather and Jamie being tied together...

""I cannot give out names, but it is my understanding that the person of interest back then is the same person of interest in this [Jamie's] case. I have absolutely no idea how they are connected. I don't know the other people [Jamie's parents]. They [police] said they had a lot of similarities, and they got this key person that they believe was involved in both cases, and the similarities in the cases are just that. They are very similar. Other than that, we are in the dark as much as anyone else."

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0407/2601_Jamie_Harper4.html

It's a pretty good article!

[Shells2]

I found an aunt of Jamies and have invited her here to post with us. I think any input at all would be very helpful...

[Cury-us Coyote]

http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=8802

[reddog]

Originally posted by Shells2
I found an aunt of Jamies and have invited her here to post with us. I think any input at all would be very helpful... [/*]

i agree.

[reddog]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


I agree too.

From the article upthread I contacted someone who knew Jamie.
Jamie is an only child. Jamie's mom has 2 sisters and a brother.
Jamie had run away before, but for short periods of time and always came back. They don't think she would have just gone away with no contact at all.

I told her about this effort and invited her. [/*]

good deal.

this person in common with both cases is bugging me.

the 2 women disappeared roughly 10 years apart. they were roughly the same age at the times of their disappearences (19 and 20). that would seem to narrow the field of a poi in common to both cases.

[reddog]

Originally posted by Brattnt
I just want to say what an honor it is to post with such wonderful people!!....Due to health issues, I am at home 24/7....If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know....I am far away from Illinois, but I have a computer, and am not completely dumb...LOL....:)

God bless you all....:rose: [/*]

i hear ya, brat. i'm not near there either. but we can help, too. just let us know what we can do.

[reddog]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


Somebody who's at least over 30.... [/*]

that's what i was thinking, too.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by Brattnt
I just want to say what an honor it is to post with such wonderful people!!....Due to health issues, I am at home 24/7....If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know....I am far away from Illinois, but I have a computer, and am not completely dumb...LOL....:)

God bless you all....:rose: [/*]

Nothing too serious I hope, Brattnt.:)

[reddog]

and if i read correctly, also in common is "a party in rural Rantoul, Illinois ".

add that to the supposition of over 30.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


The beans won't spill on their own, my hope is that perhaps I can facilitate that. Someone will talk, I can only hope to facilitate that.

BBL [/*]

Working on some possible contacts myself. Been playing phone tag all week.

[reddog]

Shells2
FocusFactor
PinkPony

kudos on the contacts.

[PinkPony]

For those attending the service tomorrow. I hope to see you there.

[HarlettOhara]

I have the message board set up.. the link is http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum

grande,

I will be getting an email off to you in just a bit. I got involved in the board and setting it up. I still have a few things to do to it yet, but it's ready to go.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande
BINGO!

Defendant Plaintiff
RAMM JEREMY L

PEOPLE OF ILLINOIS

Information:
File Date: 02/16/95
Court Room:
Next Appearance: NOT AVAILABLE
Birth Date: 05/26/76
Offense Date: 02/02/95

DEFENDANT: RAMM JEREMY L
DEFENDANT: ZIMMERMAN MICHAEL W[/*] [/*]

fits the 30 or over.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande
OH!!!! NOTE THE ADDRESS, JAMIE HARPER WAS LAST SEEN IN THE 1300 BLOCK OF LAUREL DRIVE IN RANTOUL...

By The News-Gazette
Monday, July 2, 2007 10:57 AM CDT

URBANA – A Rantoul man remained in Champaign County Jail this morning after being arraigned Thursday on charges in four different crimes.

Jeromy Ramm, 31, whose last known address was in the 1300 block of Laurel Drive, was arrested in Florida on warrants issued June 1 for residential burglary, theft and burglary.

News-Gazette Archive [/*]


noted.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


Well heck I suppose I should have paid closer attention, sorry cog1... LOL. I spoke with one of Jamie's family members that was able to provide the surname Ramm. They had no other information other than that, however as you can see this Jeromy Ramm was an acquaintance of Heather Dawn Zimmerman's ex husband Michael Zimmerman, and was at the party Jamie Harper attended earlier this year on the night she disappeared.

Now we need to let the community know Jeromy Ramm is in prison, perhaps they will be more inclined to talk about Jamie & Heather's disappearance.

While it certainly looks there may be a link between the two cases, I am still not convinced.

I am still trying to figure out where this 'Josh' fits in if at all. [/*]

"however as you can see this Jeromy Ramm was an acquaintance of Heather Dawn Zimmerman's ex husband Michael Zimmerman, and was at the party Jamie Harper attended earlier this year on the night she disappeared. "

-hmmmm........

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande
Just to clarify, I had two completely seperate sources tell me Jeromy Ramm was alleged to be at the party Jamie attended the night she disappeared. [/*]

interesting.

[Destini]

I found this on Jeromy Ramm. Don't quite know what to do with it, but I suppose if you know a way to search the archives of the News-Gazette from 2003 it could be helpful.

http://64.107.115.148/ccha/records/02010000/0201000003091114.htm

[Brattnt]

WOW, alot of battery charges...That cant be good.....

[Rummy]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


This is amazing. Jeromy has spent most of his life in and out of jail, just to do something even more stupid and go back.
If they can't pin anything about Heather and Jamie on him *if he did it* we can expect another girl to disappear from a party 5 years from now.

The gravel pits and surrounding area needs to be searched again. He grew up there, he would know a great hiding place. [/*]

October 13, 2007

Hey, FF, Grande and ALL;

GREAT WORK, you guys and gals!!!! I just came over to this site and am trying to get caught up; will have to go back and look at maps and images later, to get my bearings!

Grande, do we know (or can we find out) if our LE (Rantoul Police Dept.) searched the property of Jeremy/Jeromy's parents and immediate vicinity? After receiving my lengthy E-mail back in September, I'm sure they aren't speaking to me anymore! Hahaha!

I have to point out the facts that Jamie went missing on 3-9-07; her mother reported her missing to Rantoul police on 3-19-07; and the FIRST public mention in The News-Gazette was on 4-5-07! Oh, yes, this is another case they refused to call the Bloodhounds on... and we have successfully helped this department in the past, when their own "certified" Police K-9 failed to pick up the trail on a missing 90-year-old man! Their K-9 officers and many other officers attending a Police K-9 certification trial in Rantoul several years ago, also saw "Rummy" (the 4-legger) SUCCESSFULLY complete a demonstration trail where the subject (K-9 officer) left in a vehicle and drove a complicated trail in a highly contaminated area, throwing in a few surprise "tricks" for us!

Truly, this group could EASILY replace what we have for LE around here... you are SO GOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :beer:

Sincerely,

"Rummy"

[Aileron1980]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


I agree too.

From the article upthread I contacted someone who knew Jamie.
Jamie is an only child. Jamie's mom has 2 sisters and a brother.
Jamie had run away before, but for short periods of time and always came back. They don't think she would have just gone away with no contact at all.

I told her about this effort and invited her. [/*]


I am somewhat related to jamie her aunt married my uncle. so here is some holes in this post.
First Jamie is NOT an only child she has a brother named Tim
I think he is a half brother but still a brother.
2. Jamies mom Suzie has 2 sisters Angie and Ruth and 2 brothers Rick and Joe.
3. Yes she had runaway before but that was when she lived at home and was underaged I believe and never more than a few days before she contacted some one
plus she didnt take her meds with her this time and she is epileptic so this is a big problem.
From what I hear and this is only hearsay but Jamie had her problems but was turning her life around. also I was told she was NOT dating anyone that her aunt knew about but hard to say since she was old enough to have her own life now. Ok that is all I know right now. I hope all of you find her so her family can have some closure.

[Aileron1980]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


This is amazing. Jeromy has spent most of his life in and out of jail, just to do something even more stupid and go back.
If they can't pin anything about Heather and Jamie on him *if he did it* we can expect another girl to disappear from a party 5 years from now.

The gravel pits and surrounding area needs to be searched again. He grew up there, he would know a great hiding place. [/*]


From what I hear he isnt that smart one his daddy is and that they day the cops came his dad was bleaching out jeremy's van but that is hearsay. Also the gravel pits near his dads havent been searched that I know of only the ones near paxton and the ones near his dads are still active and from what I hear if he dumped them there and sunk them to the bottom the machinery would have ground them up by now and scattered them across illinois as they shipped out the gravel. that is what I hear. Also I do know that ramms have a small probably 2 acre dump on the corner of rt 136 and 49 but I would doubt that anything is there but I know for a fact it was never searched either.

[Aileron1980]

Originally posted by Rummy


October 13, 2007

Hey, FF, Grande and ALL;

GREAT WORK, you guys and gals!!!! I just came over to this site and am trying to get caught up; will have to go back and look at maps and images later, to get my bearings!

Grande, do we know (or can we find out) if our LE (Rantoul Police Dept.) searched the property of Jeremy/Jeromy's parents and immediate vicinity? After receiving my lengthy E-mail back in September, I'm sure they aren't speaking to me anymore! Hahaha!

I have to point out the facts that Jamie went missing on 3-9-07; her mother reported her missing to Rantoul police on 3-19-07; and the FIRST public mention in The News-Gazette was on 4-5-07! Oh, yes, this is another case they refused to call the Bloodhounds on... and we have successfully helped this department in the past, when their own "certified" Police K-9 failed to pick up the trail on a missing 90-year-old man! Their K-9 officers and many other officers attending a Police K-9 certification trial in Rantoul several years ago, also saw "Rummy" (the 4-legger) SUCCESSFULLY complete a demonstration trail where the subject (K-9 officer) left in a vehicle and drove a complicated trail in a highly contaminated area, throwing in a few surprise "tricks" for us!

Truly, this group could EASILY replace what we have for LE around here... you are SO GOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :beer:

Sincerely,

"Rummy" [/*]


From what I hear Ramms were never searched because there was not enough evidnece to retain a warrent. but that is local hearsay which around here you know small town lol is probably as good as gold. As far as I know Dogtown (near paxton) was the only area that was extenisively searched with the dogs, atvs and sonar.

[Aileron1980]

I also heard another name mentioned and this guy skiped town it was forgive me if I spell this wrong but widmer or whitmers they are a set of brothers witha long history of violence so I have been told. Also I heard that a bartender saw jamie the night of the disappearance with a white and black man (never reported to cops cuz oh yeah she is underage and being served) that is hearsay though

[Aileron1980]

Originally posted by cog1
Penny Dawn Lease missing from Champaign, was last seen with Larry Tellez.

Court records show a John L. Tellez with an extensive criminal reord and also some traffice violations including DUI.

His DOB puts him 5 years older than PDL.

Any thoughts on this? [/*]


I was also told that kenny tellez was a part of this because he falied the lie detector but he is in Iraq now and moved to Oregan but I dont think the tellez brothers are apart of this case.

[Cury-us Coyote]

The extra effort displayed and information shared is inspirational whether it leads to finding someone's missing loved one or not.
jmo

[Shells2]

Aileeron, thank you so much for joining us - the more information and input the better I think! I'm so glad you came!

Have you heard anything from anyone that was at the party that night? Like who she left with, how she was acting, if there were any confrontational events - things like that?

[reddog]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


This info is really disturbing.

Jeremy/Jeromy's father knows what his son is up to and covers for him, so any cooperation getting a search of his property is slim to none.

Ick on the ground up by machinery. If that is what happened, she will never be found. [/*]


and would explain why the other woman was not (has not been) found.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


I noticed that, I believe this is related to the domestic battery charge he recieved 200 days for.

Here are all of the criminal charges against Jeromy/Jeremy Ramm

02/02/95 U.L. POSS/ALCOHOL BY MINOR (Dismissed)
Co-defendant - Michael W. Zimmerman (Heather Dawn Zimmerman's ex-husband)

03/17/95 01 BURGLARY (24 mos. probation, 60 days County Jail)
02 THEFT (Dismissed)
03 RESIDENTIAL BURGLARY (Dismissed)
Co-defendant - MEDLER BRADLEY S

07/13/98 (All charges dismissed)
01 AGG DISCHARGE FIREARM/OCC BLDG
02 FELON POSS/USE WEAPON/FIREARM
03 RECK DISCH FIREARM/ENDANGERS

07/06/02 01 DOMESTIC BATTERY/BODILY HARM (Dismissed)
02 DOMESTIC BATTERY/BODILY HARM (30 days County)

06/24/03 DOMESTIC BTRY/BODILY HARM PRI (200 days County)

10/19/04 AGG BATTERY/PUBLIC PLACE (2 YRS DOC - DNA SAMPLE TAKEN)

12/26/06 BURGLARY (5 YRS DOC W/70 DAYS CREDIT, $27933.64 RESTITUTION) http://i23.tinypic.com/13yp7gz.jpg [/*]


so he was in jail when jamie disappeared?

[Aileron1980]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


Hi Aileron, are you the aunt who posts as Kara on another forum?
Anyways, welcome to this forum!
Good to have input from someone who knows/knew Jamie.

I found several Widmers in Ford county records...
http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_search.jsp?court=IL027015J&case_number=&litigant_name=widmer&charge_text=&offset=0&

Chet/Chester Widmer
Gerald Widmer
Michael Lee Widmer 10/24/65
Gregory C./Greg L. Widmer 8/23/67
Logan Taylor Widmer 5/9/87
Jared Gregory Widmer




...and for Whitmer:
http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_search.jsp?court=IL027015J&case_number=&litigant_name=whitmer&charge_text=

Butch Whitmer
Nicholas Lee Whitmer/Nicholas Lee Whittmer 7/14/78 [/*]


first of all I am a cousin by marriage I think, her aunt married my uncle but Kara is another one of her aunts too. I dont know which widmers but I would try he champaign county and see which one was recently released from prision that might help. I reallydont know their names all I know is that they are brothers and they are in the 30 or 40 age bracket.

I knew Jamie when we were kids I am 27 married with kids so we have been outta touch for quite some time. but I am still close with the family and I know that they dont have any new leads right now. I dont know who the josh person is I have heard no mention of this person.

[Aileron1980]

Originally posted by Shells2
Aileeron, thank you so much for joining us - the more information and input the better I think! I'm so glad you came!

Have you heard anything from anyone that was at the party that night? Like who she left with, how she was acting, if there were any confrontational events - things like that? [/*]

as far as I heard NOONE from the party is talking, no one saw her leave or anything. Typical small town no one willing to talk. except amongst each other. Gossip runs high here and facts are limited

[Aileron1980]

Originally posted by Aileron1980



first of all I am a cousin by marriage I think, her aunt married my uncle but Kara is another one of her aunts too. I dont know which widmers but I would try he champaign county and see which one was recently released from prision that might help. I reallydont know their names all I know is that they are brothers and they are in the 30 or 40 age bracket.

I knew Jamie when we were kids I am 27 married with kids so we have been outta touch for quite some time. but I am still close with the family and I know that they dont have any new leads right now. I dont know who the josh person is I have heard no mention of this person. [/*]

my vote is on gregory/michael widmer as the brothers I am refering too.

[reddog]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


Nope, he was free. He was picked up on a warrant in FL and returned to IL and began his sentence in July (iirc).

This guy is bad news.
In '03 he went to jail for 200 days minus 78 served for domestic battery and ordered to have no contact.

In Nov '04 he went to jail for agg battery in public and went to jail for 2 years, minus 35 days served. At that time he was ordered to have no contact with Amastasia Ramm or the address of 1341 Sunset, Rantoul.
(so he would have been out of jail from about a year ago until this summer). [/*]

thanks, ff. i just went by the date. (12/26/06 BURGLARY (5 YRS DOC W/70 DAYS CREDIT) )

[HarlettOhara]

The website is up and running, as is the message board.

http://helpfindthemissing.org

[reddog]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


It looks good! [/*]

yes, it does.

[HarlettOhara]

Thanks FF and rd..

If anyone thinks it needs changes or something added to it let me know. I need to start moving some of the info about Jamie over there. This way, since it's not really know what will happen with CTV after the 1st of the year, we won't lose any of the info that has been gathered so far.

[reddog]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara
Thanks FF and rd..

If anyone thinks it needs changes or something added to it let me know. I need to start moving some of the info about Jamie over there. This way, since it's not really know what will happen with CTV after the 1st of the year, we won't lose any of the info that has been gathered so far. [/*]

yw. and that's a good idea about moving the info over, just in case.

[PinkPony]

Just stopped by to see if anything new was posted here.

[MayGirl15]

I am new to this but I heard about the whole case with Robert and his wife Naomi and him posting on Court TV website so I came here to check out what the deal was and ran across your postings for Jamie. I am from the Rantoul area and have heard just about all the stories you can hear of her missing. But I found it funny to hear one of you talk about a Josh that you cant tie into the story. The Josh I am pretty sure you are talking about is Josh Nibbe. He and his brother Ryan (i believe) are well known problem starters in this area....look up those names on the Circuit clerk...you may find that interesting also. Just couldnt hold back in helping you figure out and put names to the people that you have in mind....hope this helps

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by MayGirl15
I am new to this but I heard about the whole case with Robert and his wife Naomi and him posting on Court TV website so I came here to check out what the deal was and ran across your postings for Jamie. I am from the Rantoul area and have heard just about all the stories you can hear of her missing. But I found it funny to hear one of you talk about a Josh that you cant tie into the story. The Josh I am pretty sure you are talking about is Josh Nibbe. He and his brother Ryan (i believe) are well known problem starters in this area....look up those names on the Circuit clerk...you may find that interesting also. Just couldnt hold back in helping you figure out and put names to the people that you have in mind....hope this helps [/*]

Welcome MayGirl and thank you for that information. Any help that you can give would be greatly appreciated.

Do you know Josh and Ryan? Do you know if they have a direct connection to Jamie? Do you know if one or both might have been at the party that Jamie was at in Rantoul?

[MayGirl15]

I dont know either on a personal level but I know who they are. I dont know the answers really to any of the questions you asked, but I heard Jamie was dating Josh during the time she came up missing. Dont know this as factual information because I did not know Jamie...this is all hearsay....and in a small town like rantoul it goes around quickly.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by MayGirl15
I dont know either on a personal level but I know who they are. I dont know the answers really to any of the questions you asked, but I heard Jamie was dating Josh during the time she came up missing. Dont know this as factual information because I did not know Jamie...this is all hearsay....and in a small town like rantoul it goes around quickly. [/*]

Thanks for your reply.
I know all too well the small town mindset. I am familiar with Rantoul as I lived in CU for 7 yrs. but I am now back in my hometown area, which is small.
Please continue to post as any information can be of help.

[MayGirl15]

ITS A GREY DODGE DURANGO

[MayGirl15]

Yea I think I heard he was at the party also but I had also heard that she left with him...but like I said previously it is a small town and rumors start easily and find their ways around. I usually do see Josh and his brother around rantoul quite often. I havent seen them now for a couple of weeks, their durango either....so i dont know.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande
THANK YOU BRATT, SNOWBIRD, RUMMY, FOCUSFACTOR, HARLETT, PINK PONY, TEXASGIRL, REDDOG, JESSIE'SBACK, SHELL'S, AILERON, COG1, MAYGIRL & Everyone else for their support! [/*]

YW grande. I'm in this for the long haul. Whatever it takes.

[MayGirl15]

Yea I heard that Ryan and Josh and Ward had all gotten into it over something but that never surfaced. But I am pretty sure the party wasnt at Wards...I believe it was a few trailors down...but I dont know this for sure, this is all information that I have heard. Someone I am friends with lives in this same trailor park...

[MayGirl15]

but if it is stated that the party was there then it is probably correct

[MayGirl15]

Well that was the other place I heard the party was. I really dont know....I am thinking that maybe they were trailor to trailor thru the night?? And maybe they had been to both places, I am not sure.

[MayGirl15]

I believe that is very possible

[MayGirl15]

You are welcome. I was kinda nervous to post at first, but I think it is worth it...for the sake of the parents and family at least.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by MayGirl15
You are welcome. I was kinda nervous to post at first, but I think it is worth it...for the sake of the parents and family at least. [/*]

I can understand being nervous. The posters here are wonderful people with only one thing in mind and that is to help bring closure to these families and to find out what happened to the missing.

Your information is invaluable and we appreciate your time and effort.

PP

[Shells2]

Originally posted by grande
Ryan Nibbe was in IDOC from January 2007 until June 20, 2007 for agg. DUI.

Ryan Nibbe;
http://i21.tinypic.com/sypb88.jpg [/*]

IDOC?

What is that Grande?

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande
THANK YOU BRATT, SNOWBIRD, RUMMY, FOCUSFACTOR, HARLETT, PINK PONY, TEXASGIRL, REDDOG, JESSIE'SBACK, SHELL'S, AILERON, COG1, MAYGIRL & Everyone else for their support! [/*]

you are quite welcome, grande.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande
Ryan Nibbe was in IDOC from January 2007 until June 20, 2007 for agg. DUI.

Ryan Nibbe;
http://i21.tinypic.com/sypb88.jpg [/*]

so that rules him out of being physically involved in jamie's disappearance, right?

(jamie disappeared March 9, 2007)

[reddog]

as a related question - has anyone thought about asking cw if jamie can have her own forum in missing, so that we could make different threads for different persons/ ideas relating to this case?

or is everyone o.k. with continuing to post as is here (or elsewhere)?

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


Correct. Josh on the other hand... [/*]

ty. just trying to keep everyone straight in my head.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


I haven't asked.

I would be very grateful if one were provided.

Makes no difference to me where we post as long as there is a chance it will create some public awareness.

Thanks to Harlett there is an additional resource for information for this case and others as time permits at www.helpthemissing.org. [/*]

i'll ask cw, fwiw.

that's the site i meant by 'elsewhere'. p.s. you left a word out:

http://helpfindthemissing.org/

[jtazzy]

If you ask CW she might...I did for Brandi Laurent and she did...

my heart goes out to Jamie, I hope she is found. Has TES been called in????

Just a thought...

[reddog]

Originally posted by jtazzy
If you ask CW she might...I did for Brandi Laurent and she did...

my heart goes out to Jamie, I hope she is found. Has TES been called in????

Just a thought... [/*]

i asked cw.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande



OOOPS thanks. [/*]

yw.

[MayGirl15]

From what I have heard Ryan and Josh have very big mouths...thats what gets them in trouble most of the time...so hearing that one of them brags of doing something to jamie does not suprise me....And I also noticed the tear drop tattoo...interesting...

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


I heard it was JD who was running his mouth to anyone and everyone that will lend him an ear.

Interesting developments. Have you heard whether Jeromy Ramm was there that night? I was told he was. He is the most likely POI in the Heather Zimmerman case, imo. [/*]

and the similarities and tie-ins just seem to great to be coincidence......

[reddog]

i asked cw if we could have a forum for jamie. this was cw's reply:

"At this time there are only 188 posts which really doesn't warrant a forum of it's own at this time, maybe later if it becomes a larger thread."

Coldwater
Administrator

(i asked and received permission from cw to post that response. - rd)

[MayGirl15]

Okay wouldnt JD be Josh?? That would be my thought seeing that the tattoo is "JD-Josh" I would assume the JD you heard about was Josh....But i know you heard Josh had a brother called JD...I dunno i am kinda confused on that one because I have never seen nor heard of a third brother...just the two

[reddog]

Originally posted by jessie'sback
well I guess we better step up on the posts rd. :)

grande I basically just got here and see Josh has been identified. So many bad seeds in this investigation. :mad: [/*]

my thought exactly, jesie. step up the posts.

[reddog]

Originally posted by FocusFactor
Well, we keep on a-postin' then!

TY for asking, reddog.


So... we have a bunch of bad boys and Jamie mixed up in a mess. We need more details from somebody who knows these folks.

Jeremy/Jeromy Ramm
Josh Nibbe (likely being helped to hide by his big brother Ryan)
JD (Nibbe?) the big mouth

The above mentioned, (except JD) have lengthy criminal records, have served time in prison/county jail. [/*]

yw, ff.

that's one reason i wanted the forum - so we could have thread for each then maybe some cross reference threads to the connections btw them. and also cross reference threads for heather.

we will just keep trying.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


I'm not sure either. My understanding is that JD is still in school and he has been telling classmates his 'brother' was involved in Jamie's disappearance. In fact it has been said JD has gone as far as saying his brother is responsible for Jamie's death and disposal in the Dogtown pits.

There is a conflicting report from another source that has told me that Jeromy Ramm was last seen with Jamie and that Jeromy was involved in Heather's disappearance.

What I find most interesting is the order of protection filed against Ryan Nibbe by Ward Birch who is suspected of hosting the party Jamie last attended. Ryan was paroled on JUNE 20TH 2007 and not but 4 days later later an order of protection was filed against him by the alleged host of the party his brother Josh attended and where Jamie Harper was last seen.

SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT HERE........ [/*]

not right, indeed.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande
We will get a thread when the demand justifies it, until then look at it this way.... From ZERO posts in 7 months to 198 in 5 days. We will bring Jamie home to her mother regardless of the obstacles if we can continue to 'create a buzz'. Someone will talk at some point, we just need to provide the incentive to do so...

While I have limited financial means, I would be interested in contributing to a reward fund for Jamie's safe return or information that could facilitate closure for her family. [/*]

we will keep posting. we will keep looking.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


I'm not sure either. My understanding is that JD is still in school and he has been telling classmates his 'brother' was involved in Jamie's disappearance. In fact it has been said JD has gone as far as saying his brother is responsible for Jamie's death and disposal in the Dogtown pits.

There is a conflicting report from another source that has told me that Jeromy Ramm was last seen with Jamie and that Jeromy was involved in Heather's disappearance.

What I find most interesting is the order of protection filed against Ryan Nibbe by Ward Birch who is suspected of hosting the party Jamie last attended. Ryan was paroled on JUNE 20TH 2007 and not but 4 days later later an order of protection was filed against him by the alleged host of the party his brother Josh attended and where Jamie Harper was last seen.

SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT HERE........ [/*]

Makes me wonder if Ryan has threatened Ward Birch to keep his mouth shut or else. Hence the OP.

[dirtyfeet]

Originally posted by jessie'sback
well I guess we better step up on the posts rd. :)

grande I basically just got here and see Josh has been identified. So many bad seeds in this investigation. :mad: [/*]

I've been reading, but not posting as I really didn't have anything to contribute.

I did a :eek: as she could be my sister! It's so sad and I need to read more, I sure was ready to blame the BF -- has he been cleared (has he taken a LDT) ?

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande
We will get a thread when the demand justifies it, until then look at it this way.... From ZERO posts in 7 months to 198 in 5 days. We will bring Jamie home to her mother regardless of the obstacles if we can continue to 'create a buzz'. Someone will talk at some point, we just need to provide the incentive to do so...

While I have limited financial means, I would be interested in contributing to a reward fund for Jamie's safe return or information that could facilitate closure for her family. [/*]

grande, has anyone been able to make contact with any of Jamie's family? I thought I saw posted where someone has her mom's phone #.

[reddog]

Originally posted by PinkPony


grande, has anyone been able to make contact with any of Jamie's family? I thought I saw posted where someone has her mom's phone #. [/*]

i'm sure you know this (as you are one of the one's making contact) but for others:

iirc, at least three posters here (Shells2, FocusFactor, and PinkPony) have made contact. and at least one 'family member' (Aileron1980) has posted here.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by MayGirl15
Okay wouldnt JD be Josh?? That would be my thought seeing that the tattoo is "JD-Josh" I would assume the JD you heard about was Josh....But i know you heard Josh had a brother called JD...I dunno i am kinda confused on that one because I have never seen nor heard of a third brother...just the two [/*]

What is Josh's middle name? If it starts with D, then maybe he does go by JD to some.
I've been looking but haven't found anything.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


I haven't tried.

The phone number is listed here > http://www.whitepages.com/. Surname Kehrer, location Paxton, IL. [/*]

Thanks grande.
I've been thinking about taking some time amd coming to CU for a couple of days.
I still have many friends there and would have some place to stay. I'll let you know what I decide.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


I haven't tried.

The phone number is listed here > http://www.whitepages.com/. Surname Kehrer, location Paxton, IL. [/*]

Thanks grande.
I've been thinking about taking some time amd coming to CU for a couple of days.
I still have many friends there and would have some place to stay. I'll let you know what I decide.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


Josh's middle name starts with 'L'.

Come to think of it, perhaps JD is a half brother, surname Kehrer? [/*]

Oh well shoot. So much for that theory. LOL

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


Josh's middle name starts with 'L'.

Come to think of it, perhaps JD is a half brother, surname Kehrer? [/*]

No, that won't work. Kehrer is Jamie's mom's last name. Unless you mean Jamie's half-brother.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande
Sorry should be Joshua J. Nibbe. [/*]

Ok thanks. Still doesn't make my theory work.

[PinkPony]

Time for me to say good night. See everyone tomorrow. :seeya:

[lapbabies]

We were talking about this case last night at work. (guess we tend to have a morbid preoccupation in my field) Anyway, a co-worker said this girl had a seizure disorder of some type so that even if she didn't become a victim of foul play without her medication her life was in danger.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by lapbabies
We were talking about this case last night at work. (guess we tend to have a morbid preoccupation in my field) Anyway, a co-worker said this girl had a seizure disorder of some type so that even if she didn't become a victim of foul play without her medication her life was in danger. [/*]

You are right lapbabies. I don't remember if that Information was in a news report or if someone posted it.
Jamie has Epilepsy and takes Dilantin, which IIRC she left at home.
I'm glad you posted that, because I remember thinking that if she drank alot or did drugs with the Dilantin in her system, maybe she OD'd.
I'll see if I can find the link.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by PinkPony


You are right lapbabies. I don't remember if that Information was in a news report or if someone posted it.
Jamie has Epilepsy and takes Dilantin, which IIRC she left at home.
I'm glad you posted that, because I remember thinking that if she drank alot or did drugs with the Dilantin in her system, maybe she OD'd.
I'll see if I can find the link. [/*]

I went back and read the Crime Library article. It does say that Jamie has epilepsy but only says she didn't take her medicine with her. I must have assumed that Dilantin is what she takes.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande
I would assume if an overdose was the cause of her disappearance the partygoers would have come forward with that information.

Someone knows where Jamie is as we speak, imo.

OH, and GOOD MORNING ALL! [/*]

Good Morning to you.
You would think so grande but it seems everyone of interest has a lengthy history with LE.
If Jamie OD'd, maybe the partygoers got scared? Just trying to look outside the box.
Maybe the reason for the OP. Did Ward Birch threaten to talk?
Just trying to throw out some ideas.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by FocusFactor
People doing illegal drugs don't want to call the cops. Whole lot of trouble for anyone that did that, and in an altered state, they might have thought it smarter to drop off the body rather than do the right thing and call.

Probably did go something like... Wade was threatened if he told what he knows. Jeromy/Josh/Ryan... some threats right there. [/*]

Hey there FF, good to see you. Those are my thoughts exactly.

If you can figure out the possible who and the possible why, maybe something will click. :)

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


That is the most compelling information at this point, IMO. I can't help but think that the Order of Protection (Petitioner Ward P. Birch / Respondant Ryan Aaron Nibbe) was somehow related to Jamie's disappearance. [/*]

ITA grande. Since Mr. Birch is no dreamboat himself, IMO there had to be some serious threats going on.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande
I guess I should clarify... The order to Have no contact with Ward Birch or 1333 Laurel Drive was a result of the Battery Conviction against Ryan Nibbe. He was court order to have no contact rather than petitioned by Ward Birch. It appears as though it went beyond a threat.

Here are the 3 entries from the timeline I am creating related to the alleged battery;

Ryan Nibbe...

*Custody Date IDOC: 1/4/2007 ( 2 year conviction )

*Paroled Date IDOC: 6/20/2007 ( 5 mos. 16 days served of a 2 year conviction)

*Offense Date 6/24/2007
Jurisdiction Champaign County
Count Description 01 BATTERY/CAUSE BODILY HARM
Docket Entries HAVE NO CONTACT whatsoever, directly or indirectly with Ward P. Birch or the address of 1333 Laurel Dr.
Disposition EX PARTE - No appearance by Defendant [/*]

Ok, so my understanding is that 4 days after being paroled from IDOC, Ryan Nibbe and Ward Birch had a physical altercation. LE had to be involved, thus the charges.
I wonder what reason was given to LE for the fight?

I wonder if Ryan heard that Birch was talking about Josh's possible involvement in Jamie's disappearance and confronted him about it.

Pretty interesting.IMO

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


Hi PP, what an emotional weekend you must have had.

TY grande, for the clarification, that really puts this into perspective.

A month or so after Jamie disappeared, Ryan and Ward have a fight. I wonder how soon after that did Josh and Ryan slip away from Rantoul (if they did).

Ward needs to be questioned. Maybe given immunity for the drug stuff if he tells what he knows about the Nibbe involvement (if there is involvement).

"They" may not have even murdered Jamie, she may have really died from drug interaction/OD and they panicked.

(I think that's probably what happened in the Natalee Holloway case too)

Stupid kids doing stupid stuff. [/*]

O/T Yes it was emotional but at the same time somewhat healing for me. I have been so worried about Angela and the kids.
As I was standing in line, after the memorial, waiting to talk to Angela and the older kids DJ came up to me. He threw his arms out and said,"Well, give me a hug." He didn't know me from Adam but gave me the biggest hug. That brought tears to my eyes.

Now back on topic. An accident is my line of thinking at this point and with them maybe being the supplier? Whatever the reason, with them having a long history with LE, Ryan, Josh, and Ward don't want to be connected. So they dump the body near the family property, in the pit, and go on their merry way.

[PinkPony]

grande,
Did you notice that as of Ryan's last offense 9/10/07 that his address was listed as being in St. Joe?
I wonder if Josh is with him and that's why MayGirl hasn't seen them around Rantoul.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by PinkPony


O/T Yes it was emotional but at the same time somewhat healing for me. I have been so worried about Angela and the kids.
As I was standing in line, after the memorial, waiting to talk to Angela and the older kids DJ came up to me. He threw his arms out and said,"Well, give me a hug." He didn't know me from Adam but gave me the biggest hug. That brought tears to my eyes.

Now back on topic. An accident is my line of thinking at this point and with them maybe being the supplier? Whatever the reason, with them having a long history with LE, Ryan, Josh, and Ward don't want to be connected. So they dump the body near the family property, in the pit, and go on their merry way. [/*]

I forgot to add IMO

[Shells2]

Originally posted by PinkPony


O/T Yes it was emotional but at the same time somewhat healing for me. I have been so worried about Angela and the kids.
As I was standing in line, after the memorial, waiting to talk to Angela and the older kids DJ came up to me. He threw his arms out and said,"Well, give me a hug." He didn't know me from Adam but gave me the biggest hug. That brought tears to my eyes.

Now back on topic. An accident is my line of thinking at this point and with them maybe being the supplier? Whatever the reason, with them having a long history with LE, Ryan, Josh, and Ward don't want to be connected. So they dump the body near the family property, in the pit, and go on their merry way. [/*]

That could be the case .. It does make sense.

I am trying to figure out the caller.. Two missing girls a decade apart, and the same anonymous phone call. That is just haunting me.

The motive for the phone call could be
a) confessional
or
*) an enemy of those who know where she is
or
c) a prankster..

This aspect is really driving me wild. Don't those people have call display for goodness sakes UGH!

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by Shells2


That could be the case .. It does make sense.

I am trying to figure out the caller.. Two missing girls a decade apart, and the same anonymous phone call. That is just haunting me.

The motive for the phone call could be
a) confessional
or
*) an enemy of those who know where she is
or
c) a prankster..

This aspect is really driving me wild. Don't those people have call display for goodness sakes UGH! [/*]

It is frustrating isn't it? But with everyone putting thoughts and ideas out there maybe something will hit a nerve with someone.
As far as call display, numbers can be blocked. I don't know if a phone records search would yield the number or not.

[PinkPony]

BBL

[Shells2]

Originally posted by PinkPony


It is frustrating isn't it? But with everyone putting thoughts and ideas out there maybe something will hit a nerve with someone.
As far as call display, numbers can be blocked. I don't know if a phone records search would yield the number or not. [/*]

I wonder if they kept a recording of the calls and if they have compared the voices to see if it is the same caller?

It really creeps me out, in a serial killer kind of way!

[Shells2]

Originally posted by grande


All likely scenarios. The call sounds very similar to the statements Nibbe's brother 'JD' has been making.

Even with a confession it would be very difficult to prosecute without a body, there in lies the reason for the lack of resolution / developments, imo.

WE DESPERATELY NEED TEXAS EQUUSEARCH to examine the feasibility of recovering evidence from the Dogtown gravel pits, imo. [/*]

Is Equisearch the only search company with dogs? I just wonder if the LE would consider bringing in highly recommended cadeavor dogs at this point? I know some of the LE dogs around the country have a spectacular reputation - if they could transport one of those ones maybe they could get some answers.

[texasgal]

Good Lord, people! I go away for a couple days and it takes me over an hour to catch up!

You guys ROCK! (Kinda makes me wish I was in ILL) .. LOl

[texasgal]

What a peach. 6 months after his divorce, his ex has to get a OP
.... Oooops, I see how it reads .. she dismisses the previous order ..



There's some bad dudes in that area, huh?

[reddog]

Originally posted by Shells2


Is Equisearch the only search company with dogs? I just wonder if the LE would consider bringing in highly recommended cadeavor dogs at this point? I know some of the LE dogs around the country have a spectacular reputation - if they could transport one of those ones maybe they could get some answers. [/*]

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0407/2601_Jamie_Harper2.html

(about the search for jamie)......

"Over the course of the next two days, cadaver-sniffing dogs were brought in to assist in the search, and officers from the Department of Conservation & Law Enforcement and the Division of Fisheries deployed sonar-equipped boats to examine the bottom of the ponds.

We ran the bottom of the pits with sonar and the dogs on top of the water. Then Hummingbird [a manufacturer of sport fishing depth finders] had a professional fisherman come up to assist us, who is an expert on the sonar. They searched the water with assistance from Vermillion County Search and Rescue. They also ran cameras into the pits, searching areas of interest. They found a couple of old boats, but nothing of interest to the case," Chief Bane explained.

...... (later in same article - talking about heather's disappearance)

"Shortly after Heather's disappearance, an anonymous caller told WCIA-Channel 3 that her body could be found in the Dogtown gravel pits. A massive search was launched, and five cadaver-sniffing dogs were brought in. Each one of the dogs hit on a scent, but they were unable to locate any remains. Sonar-equipped boats also failed to yield any results. Due to the pits' depth, which is estimated at 100 feet, divers were unable to search the bottom. There were talks of draining the ponds, but those ideas were later rejected because of the costs involved."

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


Nothing yet. It's very tedious trying to find people that give two sh!t$ about these missing persons. I am bound and determined to do whatever it takes to bring some closure to some of these other cases. Fortunately there are kind generous people such as yourself and the others on this forum, it's just a shame there isn't more, imo.

Whatever it takes...

:rose: [/*]

we got good people here - making a difference - one (missing) person at a time.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


There ya go buddy, I love the spirit. [/*]

and i love your determination.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


Thanks! I appreciate that. [/*]

yw.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


All likely scenarios. The call sounds very similar to the statements Nibbe's brother 'JD' has been making.

Even with a confession it would be very difficult to prosecute without a body, there in lies the reason for the lack of resolution / developments, imo.

WE DESPERATELY NEED TEXAS EQUUSEARCH to examine the feasibility of recovering evidence from the Dogtown gravel pits, imo. [/*]

i don't know if tes has been contacted. this is from their site:

http://www.texasequusearch.org/report_missingperson.html

"Special note: Texas EquuSearch can only accept a missing person case if it's been filed the appropriate law enforcement agency and a case number has been assigned. Requests must be made by the family of the missing person and/or the law enforcement agency handling the case. "

[Shells2]

Originally posted by reddog


we got good people here - making a difference - one (missing) person at a time. [/*]

I have a request for the next one when it is time if that's ok.

[Shells2]

Originally posted by reddog


http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0407/2601_Jamie_Harper2.html

(about the search for jamie)......

"Over the course of the next two days, cadaver-sniffing dogs were brought in to assist in the search, and officers from the Department of Conservation & Law Enforcement and the Division of Fisheries deployed sonar-equipped boats to examine the bottom of the ponds.

We ran the bottom of the pits with sonar and the dogs on top of the water. Then Hummingbird [a manufacturer of sport fishing depth finders] had a professional fisherman come up to assist us, who is an expert on the sonar. They searched the water with assistance from Vermillion County Search and Rescue. They also ran cameras into the pits, searching areas of interest. They found a couple of old boats, but nothing of interest to the case," Chief Bane explained.

...... (later in same article - talking about heather's disappearance)

"Shortly after Heather's disappearance, an anonymous caller told WCIA-Channel 3 that her body could be found in the Dogtown gravel pits. A massive search was launched, and five cadaver-sniffing dogs were brought in. Each one of the dogs hit on a scent, but they were unable to locate any remains. Sonar-equipped boats also failed to yield any results. Due to the pits' depth, which is estimated at 100 feet, divers were unable to search the bottom. There were talks of draining the ponds, but those ideas were later rejected because of the costs involved." [/*]

Thanks for that reddog..

So they DID hit on a scent! Wow! So Heather probably is in the pits somewhere - and sadly so is Jamie.

Does anyone know where these troublemaking boys were around the time of Heather's dissapearance?

[reddog]

Originally posted by Shells2


I have a request for the next one when it is time if that's ok. [/*]

most certainly o.k. with me.

[reddog]

Originally posted by Shells2


Thanks for that reddog..

So they DID hit on a scent! Wow! So Heather probably is in the pits somewhere - and sadly so is Jamie.

Does anyone know where these troublemaking boys were around the time of Heather's dissapearance? [/*]

yw. there was another article i read that said something like everytime they took the dogs in, the dogs hit on a scent. but i couldn't locate the link for it. (in heather's case, iirc)

i have no idea where 'the boys' were, at the time of either disappearance - except for the one that was in jail when jamie disappeared. that's the kind of thing we need help from family, friends, aquaintences, and folks that live there to help us figure out.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


Ryan and Josh Nibbe are both too young to have been the person of interest in both cases. Jeromy Ramm on the other hand is old enough and I clearly showed he was an associate of Michael Zimmerman, Heather Zimmerman's ex-husband. From my perspective it is clear who the link between the two cases is.

At this point I suspect Jeromy Ramm in the Heather Zimmerman disappearance, and Josh Nibbe, Ward Birch & Jeromy Ramm in the Jamie Harper case. [/*]

agree. and (again, i don't recall the link) but there was something about heather's husband being in in the service stationed in japan and then being sent back there to face charges or something???

jer ramm and mich zimmerman........

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


Yep, I recall reading that as well. That was probably the Crime Library article.

A couple of reasons I am leaning towards Josh Nibbe;

First, Kara Harper (Jamie's sister) stated the following regarding the alleged connection between the two cases...

"The man in question that was also connceted[sic] to the Heather Zimmerman case has turned up nothing."
Source: http://www.city-data.com/forum/people-search/66594-please-help-find-missing-paxton-woman.html

Another factor is the statements from an associate of 'JD' (http://i23.tinypic.com/2hp5452.jpg) who claims his brother was involved in Jamie's disappearance.

And then finally, the alleged battery (assault) of Ward Birch by Ryan Nibbe 4 days after his release from prison...

Offense Date 6/24/2007
Count Description 01 BATTERY/CAUSE BODILY HARM
Docket Entries HAVE NO CONTACT whatsoever, directly or indirectly with Ward P. Birch or the address of 1333 Laurel Dr. [/*]

yep. the josh nibbe / ward birch thing.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande
Alright dog, I'm calling it a night.

Talk to you tomorrow.

Night all... :rose: [/*]

nite, grande. sleep well. see you tomorrow.

[Shells2]

Originally posted by grande


Sounds great. Which case? [/*]

Jessie Foster - she went missing in Las Vegas, and I do believe there are lots of clues and things online, but we just need research on some of the "characters" she was involved with. Her family lives a few hours from me in BC, and the story just makes me really sad.

[concrncitz]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by grande
http://i24.tinypic.com/2e49abr.jpg [/*][/QUOT

I wonder if he will try to run or if he already has.

[PinkPony]

Here is a link:

judici.com/courts/ that will take you all participating on-line courts in Illinois.

If you check out Ford and Vermillion Cos. you will see that Josh and Ryan have been in trouble there also.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


And Macon County as well for Ryan and one of his ex-wives. [/*]

I figured that there probably is something for Ryan in Macon Co. also but haven't had time to check it out.

[Shells2]

Originally posted by grande


My guess is they are on the run together (Josh & Ryan Nibbe).

Josh has an active warrant as well for criminal felony case #05CF02086 DOMESTIC BTRY/PHYSICAL CONTACT, issued on
July 30th, 2007. [/*]


My head is still wrapped around Ram - is there any connection at ALL between the three of them?

[Caldeb]

This was just posted about 40 minutes ago at Scared Monkeys by someone who lives in the area. Has anyone else heard anything on the news today?

Sam wrote:

Shoot, I can't find the channel info for the channel I am on. They said a tip was called in and investigators were searching an area. It looked like at some farmground. It said off route 45. Nothing had been found so far. I hope it is a legitimate tip and not just someone playing games.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by Caldeb
This was just posted about 40 minutes ago at Scared Monkeys by someone who lives in the area. Has anyone else heard anything on the news today?

Sam wrote:

Shoot, I can't find the channel info for the channel I am on. They said a tip was called in and investigators were searching an area. It looked like at some farmground. It said off route 45. Nothing had been found so far. I hope it is a legitimate tip and not just someone playing games. [/*]

Thanks Calded, I'll monitor the TV stations.

[Cury-us Coyote]

SEARCH FOR MISSING PAXTON WOMAN

Investigators are remaining remarkably tight-lipped, but they are saying the received new information about the Jamie Harper.

Rantoul's Police Chief says they're looking for trace evidence.

He says that could be a body or clothing among other things, but he wouldn't say whether police have found anything.

Their search is centralized on the West side of Route 49, just North of Route 136 in Vermilion County.

Rantoul Police are being assisted by Paxton Police and the Vermilion County Sheriff's Department.

http://www.wicd15.com/news/news.shtml#news1

[reddog]

thanks for the updates, y'all.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
SEARCH FOR MISSING PAXTON WOMAN

Investigators are remaining remarkably tight-lipped, but they are saying the received new information about the Jamie Harper.

Rantoul's Police Chief says they're looking for trace evidence.

He says that could be a body or clothing among other things, but he wouldn't say whether police have found anything.

Their search is centralized on the West side of Route 49, just North of Route 136 in Vermilion County.

Rantoul Police are being assisted by Paxton Police and the Vermilion County Sheriff's Department.

http://www.wicd15.com/news/news.shtml#news1 [/*]

Thanks Cury-us. I just came here to post the link. Boy you are fast. LOL

[reddog]

Originally posted by FocusFactor
Depending on which part of 136/49 (the two run n/s together for a short stretch) they are searching, it is either a farm field or a wooded area with Middle Fork Vermillion River running through there. [/*]

ty, ff.

[Shells2]

Thanks for the updates! I hope they find something!!

[reddog]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


YW, rd. I'm crossing my fingers they find something.

Maybe then they can arrest someone. Without Jamie, it's another no body/no case. [/*]

me too, ff. and i'm hoping it helps with heather's case as well.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by reddog


me too, ff. and i'm hoping it helps with heather's case as well. [/*]

My same exact thought reddog.

Hi FF:seeya:

[jellybeans]

So, the gravel pit place...do they keep records of where stuff is trucked to (for use)? I imagine it would be nearly impossible to do such a large scale 'search' (if there is even anything to search *for*--I don't know how those places work--is stuff ground up into gravel? :shrug: ), but, I keep thinking about the effort they went to in the Robert Pickton case in Canada (see below). This was a serial killer, though and the number of cases suspected to be linked to him, high (thus, the painstaking effort to find DNA). I recall there being speculation at some point that body parts mixed in with his usual dump of pig parts may have been dumped off at some sort of 'waste' disposal facility that makes the waste into animal feed. I have no clue if they were ever able to trace any DNA from victims that far down the line. The current gravel pit talk though reminded me of the case. As somebody already noted, I guess Equusearch would know what is do-able or not, in terms of searching the gravel pit. It sounds like the wrong pit was searched initially(?) Or, maybe I have that wrong (need to go back and read).



Forensic Science: Its role in the missing women investigation

CBC News Online | December 21, 2004

Ten acres is a lot of ground to cover with a fine-toothed comb. But that's essentially what teams of investigators are doing in Port Coquitlam, *.C.

They are trying to find any tiny piece of evidence – bone fragments (bone slivers, even), hair, joints, teeth – anything that might contain a few cells, enough for a usable sample of DNA.

But the size of sample that’s needed to be usable has shrunk, even in the last few years.

"A blood sample – a dot of an 'i' from 10-point type – would easily be recoverable as DNA," says Kevin McElfresh, senior vice-president of the BODE technology group in Virginia, a DNA lab the RCMP has used in several cases.

McElfresh says cigarette butts, hairs and small bone fragments could sometimes yield DNA samples a few years ago, but it was hit and miss.

"Now, cigarette butts are a ton of DNA. Not a problem," he says.

"We can get DNA from the tags of shirts that people have been wearing, not even bloody," McElfresh says.

The ability to find DNA in such tiny fragments also has its drawbacks, though.

When police told Maggie deVries that her sister Sarah's DNA had been found on Robert Pickton's pig farm, they pointed out that it wasn't enough evidence to lay charges against him.

"(The DNA) doesn't even really prove that Sarah was ever there," said deVries. "It just proves something she touched was there."

Teeth are a great source of DNA, for one reason.

"That nice hard covering on the outside of the tooth, protecting the inside pulp," says McElfresh. "You can go inside and recover that and do a very nice DNA test."

Sometimes there's no pulp left in the tooth because a root canal removed it. In those cases, freezing the tooth in liquid nitrogen and smashing it produces a fine powder, rich in DNA.

However, because teeth are so resilient, they are sometimes all that remains of a murder victim.

"Sometimes, you try to split the tooth open so it can be put back together, so there's some semblance of that tooth to return to the family," says McElfresh.

Investigators found 3,000 pieces of evidence in the top levels of the dirt on the farm.

To continue their searches, though, police brought in heavy excavation equipment to sift through the soil, including two 50-foot flat conveyer belts and two dump trucks.

The investigation team is made up of 91 people: 30 to 40 police and 52 forensic and archeological experts. Several archaological students were hired to help go through the dirt as it passes by on the conveyer belts and identify remains.

In June, police estimated that the excavation could take a year. In September, they said the investigation will go on indefinitely.

"If these activities go back to, say, 1995, seven years ago, some of (the victims) could be buried fairly deep," says former Vancouver police officer Kim Rossmo, an expert in serial killers.

"Now, one factor to the benefit of the police is criminals are lazy, so they're not going to be 40 feet below the surface," says Rossmo.

Other forensic experts will focus on reconstructing the crime scene by looking at how the bones were scattered around the farm.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/pickton/forensic.html

This post has been edited by eHarmonyReject: Oct 21 2005, 04:02 PM

http://www.totouchonelife.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=325

[PinkPony]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by FocusFactor
Hi PP :)

I wonder who called in the tip?

Somebody JD blabbed to? [/*][/QUOTE

Possibly, it will be interesting to find out.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Searching For Harper

Police say a tip lead them to an abandoned garage along Highway 49 in Vermilion County.
Several officers and search crews from Rantoul were out Wednesday searching the area around the garage with shovels, sifting through the dirt.
Rantoul Police Chief Paul Farber says Wednesday's search turned up nothing.
He says he is unsure whether officers will return for another search of the area.

http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=9135

[Cury-us Coyote]

http://illinoishomepage.net/media_player.php?media_id=5351

[Cury-us Coyote]

Is there anything significant about the area where the abandoned garage is located? Is it in the western portion of Middlefork township of Vermilion County?
TIA

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande
It's appx. 14.5 - 15.0 miles to the 'abandoned garage' where the most recent search took place. (West side of Hwy 49, just north of Rt. 136)

http://i20.tinypic.com/qrmc0n.jpg

Yellow star denotes the location Jamie was last seen (1300 block of Laurel Drive)

http://i23.tinypic.com/x2a33k.jpg
http://i21.tinypic.com/30vorjr.jpg
http://i22.tinypic.com/23kxlh.jpg [/*]

ty, grande !

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande
It's appx. 14.5 - 15.0 miles to the 'abandoned garage' where the most recent search took place. (West side of Hwy 49, just north of Rt. 136)

http://i20.tinypic.com/qrmc0n.jpg

Yellow star denotes the location Jamie was last seen (1300 block of Laurel Drive)

http://i23.tinypic.com/x2a33k.jpg
http://i21.tinypic.com/30vorjr.jpg
http://i22.tinypic.com/23kxlh.jpg [/*]

i noticed in one of your posts you mentioned a nibbe's auto store (something like that - sry i didn't look it up). and idea to who this abandon garage used to belong?

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


Nibbe's Auto Detailing was in Tolono on Calhoun St..

The abandoned garage is in as rural of an area as you can get. It is 15 directly East of where Jamie was last seen. [/*]

yes, i understood that. ty. i just thought perhaps since it was an abandoned garage (i assumed garage as in auto work, not to park your car in) that there might be some connection to someone that dealt in auto work. just trying to think of connections.

[reddog]

Originally posted by FocusFactor
15 what grande? 15 miles east? Someone would have just needed to drive a short way with her if she'd overdosed and they wanted to put her someplace.

In the video, I didn't see any dogs (means nothing, maybe they were there) but I'd feel much better if I knew dogs were used. All I saw in the video was a couple holes under cars.

This tip... really bothers me and makes me wonder who is talking and wish we could get somebody to post here.

Too much to hope for that we get another "Deedrick" yakking online... [/*]

someplace they were perhaps familiar with that they knew would not be immediately suspect?

i know - i'm pushing the garage connection...sry.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


I haven't seen it, but I envision it as more of a barn type structure based on the location (very rural, surrounded by cornfields). You may be right though, in that it is probably a familiar place to the perp assuming there is a perp. I am convinced there is but I certainly don't want to offend anyone or cause any unnecessary grief to the family and friends of Jamie.

I am just happy to see they are actively investigating this case. I sent close to 100 emails out seeking information on behalf of Jamie and her family. I'm hoping with this news and our involvement perhaps Jamie's family can have closure before the holidays arrive. [/*]

dang. i just posted about "familiar" before i read the above post of yours. glad you got what i meant.

[cleo612]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Searching For Harper

Police say a tip lead them to an abandoned garage along Highway 49 in Vermilion County.
Several officers and search crews from Rantoul were out Wednesday searching the area around the garage with shovels, sifting through the dirt.
Rantoul Police Chief Paul Farber says Wednesday's search turned up nothing.
He says he is unsure whether officers will return for another search of the area.

http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=9135 [/*]

Seems like they would go back out there, and search the areas all around there, not just close to the garage, but even at the minimum 100 yards surrounding it. Are there any woods nearby, or small groves of trees? I agree, it would be nice if they had some dogs out there.

[cleo612]

Originally posted by grande


15 miles, sorry about that.

I would be very interested to know what vehicles were in that video / on that property. [/*]

grande, do you know if any of the POI's that you have on the list might have property in that area.. parents or grandparents maybe?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Harper Search Has Whole Town Talking
http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=9136

video
http://illinoishomepage.net/media_player.php?media_id=5356

[reddog]

Originally posted by cleo612


grande, do you know if any of the POI's that you have on the list might have property in that area.. parents or grandparents maybe? [/*]

kinda what i was getting at with my 'garage' posts.

[jkharper]

I'm a family member of Jamies and was contacted by someone on here through another thread. The family was contacted about the search but nothing has turned up so far. Aparently it was a shed of some sort that is significant because of the owners. Thats all i can say about that. But it turned up nothing. Not sure yet if they are continueing searching today or not. Police are not really keeping us up to date like we think they should but at least we hear some things before we see them on the news. There are still gravel pits that haven't been searched and one in particular that was given as a place to search back in Heather Zimmermans case 10 years ago but from what we know never was searched and still hasn't been in Jamies case.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by jkharper
I'm a family member of Jamies and was contacted by someone on here through another thread. The family was contacted about the search but nothing has turned up so far. Aparently it was a shed of some sort that is significant because of the owners. Thats all i can say about that. But it turned up nothing. Not sure yet if they are continueing searching today or not. Police are not really keeping us up to date like we think they should but at least we hear some things before we see them on the news. There are still gravel pits that haven't been searched and one in particular that was given as a place to search back in Heather Zimmermans case 10 years ago but from what we know never was searched and still hasn't been in Jamies case. [/*]

Hi jk and thank you for posting here.
I hope LE does continue their search today and widen the area that they searched yesterday. I think they should get some dogs out there to assist them.

The gravel pits that haven't been searched, do you know if there is any relation between the pits and the property searched? Such as land ownership nearby, etc.?

[jkharper]

I'm not aware of the owners of the gravel pit being tied to the case at all. It was never searched in Heathers case but was called into police because there was suspicious activity there the night of her disappearance. It's also been brought up during Jamies case as well but for some reason has never been searched. The pit itself has been inactive for close to 50 years is what I've been told and is pretty secluded. And our thoughts are if Ramm did it once there and got away with it, why not a second time.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by jkharper
I'm not aware of the owners of the gravel pit being tied to the case at all. It was never searched in Heathers case but was called into police because there was suspicious activity there the night of her disappearance. It's also been brought up during Jamies case as well but for some reason has never been searched. The pit itself has been inactive for close to 50 years is what I've been told and is pretty secluded. And our thoughts are if Ramm did it once there and got away with it, why not a second time. [/*]

IIRC someone posted that Ramm's family home is near some pits. Are these the same ones that you are referring to?

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


I will post pictures later of the home and it's proximity to the pits. (IIRC the Ramm home is appx. 4 miles south of the pits.)

This new location (abandoned garage / barn) is appx. 15 miles East of the Rantoul.

Here are the best images I can come up with of what I believe is the abandoned garage / barn on 49 just north of 136.

http://i22.tinypic.com/1z4k7rm.jpg
http://i20.tinypic.com/j7z58m.jpg
http://i20.tinypic.com/dy947n.jpg [/*]

I know the search location is miles from the Ramm home but I'm confused about the pits.
The Dogtown pits are south of Paxton and were searched due to a tip.
The other pits are north of the Ramm home. jk says that a tip was received about "the pits" and were never searched. Are they talking about the pits near the Ramm home?

[Cury-us Coyote]

New Lead in Search for Jamie Harper

http://www.myfoxchampaign.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=4672528

[jkharper]

There are numerous pits between Paxton and Rantoul, some open...many closed. I believe only a total of 3 pits were searched. The pit in question is located between the 3500 and 3600 N Roads and 2300 E. There is a very large pit there and then smaller one. There are a few houses near there and one in particular heard voices, screaming, yelling ect... coming from that area 10 years ago when Heather disappeared. It was called into police but by the time police got there whoever was there has left. This is pretty typical in this area. The gravel pits are known party areas for local teens. I was at quite a few of them myself back in the day so hearing things from the pits is no big surprise but this wasn't just noise from a typical party. It was screaming and yelling and someone was in trouble. But again, no one was there when police got there. Days later Heather turns up missing....pit never searched. The same pit has been brought up now in Jamies case and still not searched.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by jkharper
There are numerous pits between Paxton and Rantoul, some open...many closed. I believe only a total of 3 pits were searched. The pit in question is located between the 3500 and 3600 N Roads and 2300 E. There is a very large pit there and then smaller one. There are a few houses near there and one in particular heard voices, screaming, yelling ect... coming from that area 10 years ago when Heather disappeared. It was called into police but by the time police got there whoever was there has left. This is pretty typical in this area. The gravel pits are known party areas for local teens. I was at quite a few of them myself back in the day so hearing things from the pits is no big surprise but this wasn't just noise from a typical party. It was screaming and yelling and someone was in trouble. But again, no one was there when police got there. Days later Heather turns up missing....pit never searched. The same pit has been brought up now in Jamies case and still not searched. [/*]

Thanks jk. I was really getting confused. Your clarification really helps alot.
I can't understand why these pits weren't searched. Especially since LE was called there and Heather went missing so soon after them being called there.

[jkharper]

That's our question. They were given a tip to search others, so that's what they did. They put sonar in but those pits are so deep it's hard to see anything, espcially if it was a body that had been there any amount of time. I'm no underwater search and rescue person so I have no clue how it is all done but my thoughts are it's probably too late now to search there. I don't know how they would find anything after this long with just sonar. And from what we've been told the pits are so deep it would take an extreme amount of time for divers to get down there and back up plus the murkiness of the water isn't suitable to really see anything.

[jkharper]

Aside from the pits and surrounding areas, this is the first they have searched. We're all hoping something is found. We don't want to get our hopes up, but yet we do. Does that make sense?

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by jkharper
Aside from the pits and surrounding areas, this is the first they have searched. We're all hoping something is found. We don't want to get our hopes up, but yet we do. Does that make sense? [/*]

Of course it makes sense. You want answers and closure but with that comes reality. Whatever that might be.

:rose: For Jamie, Heather and their families. Hopefully there will be answers soon.

[jkharper]

If I may ask, what all do you know so far about Jamies case? If there are any holes I can help fill in, I'll do what I can. And just to clarify, I'm Jamies aunt, not sister.

[Ella's Mom]

Originally posted by Shells2


Jessie Foster - she went missing in Las Vegas, and I do believe there are lots of clues and things online, but we just need research on some of the "characters" she was involved with. Her family lives a few hours from me in BC, and the story just makes me really sad. [/*]

Hi All

Just wanted to say i think all of you are doing a great job. I am amazed at how quickly this case has picked up steam in such a short period of time. I have been at CTV for a while now and follow the missing person cases. I just don't post that often. It's nice to see some of the family members here as well. I hope that the wait for answers is soon over.

Shells, I agree that Jessie's case would be a great one to try to look at and create some more attention. I have followed that one and Lindsay Harris' (very similar) since they went missing.

[jkharper]

Well, Josh was who Jamie initially went to the party with. He picked her up and spoke with Jamies mom. People have said Jamie was on the outs with her mom which is not true. She and her mom were very close and have been through alot together. She kissed her mom goodbye, told her she loved her and would see her the next morning. Josh was supposed to bring her home the next morning but later said he had "things to take care of" and that Jamie said she would find another ride which brings us to Jeremy. He was supposedly the last person seen with her but there have been conflicting stories from different people at the party. We're not even sure of all the people who were at the party. We do know they questioned Josh extensively and he has been completely cooperative. He's been in contact with Jamies mom and we aren't real suspicious of him but I'm not ruling anything out. Jeremy on the other hand has had a history of violence. You can see some of his offeneses here:

https://secure.jtsmith.com/clerk/7d3jawq1ag36.asp

He was also prime suspect in Heathers case.

[jkharper]

Originally posted by grande
jkharper,

Sorry me again...

Would you happen to know if it was 1333 Laurel Drive (Ward Birch) the party was held the night Jamie disappeared?

Be back in a bit, thanks for your help! [/*]

Sorry, I'm not sure where the party was held.

[jkharper]

Originally posted by jessie'sback


Thanks for the clarifications jk. So it does seem Jeromy Ramm is the most likely suspect in both cases. [/*]


Yes, he is most likely in both, at least that is what we have been lead to believe. He is currently serving a 5 year sentence in Potiac Illinois for robbery. His mug shot and stats of this and his previous sentence are listed on the IDOC website.

[jkharper]

Also, at one point we were told that there was blood found in his car and there was to be a DNA test done on it but we never heard anything more about it. Never whether it was actually done and if so, never heard results. Jeromy was actually tracked down by the FBI and located I believe in the Carolinas and brought back here on 3 robbery charges, 2 of which were dropped. I don't know if any information about him is on the FBI site or not. I'm thinking the property they are currently searching is somehow linked to him but not sure.

[jkharper]

Question....

Wasn't Heather Zimmermans husband Micheal? And if so would this be the same one who was on the charge on 2/2/95 that was listed?

[PinkPony]

Does anyone know if LE decided to go back and search today?

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


Haven't heard.

BTW, your mailbox is full. [/*]

Not anymore. :D

[reddog]

Originally posted by FocusFactor
On this very thread, Aileron1980 said 10/13:

Aileron1980
Member

Registered: Oct 2007
Location: armstrong illinois
Posts: 8
jeromy

From what I hear he isnt that smart one his daddy is and that they day the cops came his dad was bleaching out jeremy's van but that is hearsay. Also the gravel pits near his dads havent been searched that I know of only the ones near paxton and the ones near his dads are still active and from what I hear if he dumped them there and sunk them to the bottom the machinery would have ground them up by now and scattered them across illinois as they shipped out the gravel. that is what I hear. Also I do know that ramms have a small probably 2 acre dump on the corner of rt 136 and 49 but I would doubt that anything is there but I know for a fact it was never searched either.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

136 & 49 is approximately the search area from yesterday.
Maybe grande can find an aerial shot of the garage. I couldn't. [/*]

good catch, ff.

[reddog]

Originally posted by grande


I will post pictures later of the home and it's proximity to the pits. (IIRC the Ramm home is appx. 4 miles south of the pits.)

This new location (abandoned garage / barn) is appx. 15 miles East of the Rantoul.

Here are the best images I can come up with of what I believe is the abandoned garage / barn on 49 just north of 136.

http://i22.tinypic.com/1z4k7rm.jpg
http://i20.tinypic.com/j7z58m.jpg
http://i20.tinypic.com/dy947n.jpg [/*]

ty, grande.

[reddog]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
New Lead in Search for Jamie Harper

http://www.myfoxchampaign.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=4672528 [/*]

ty for that video link.

[reddog]

Originally posted by jkharper
Aside from the pits and surrounding areas, this is the first they have searched. We're all hoping something is found. We don't want to get our hopes up, but yet we do. Does that make sense? [/*]

yes, that makes sense.

[reddog]

Originally posted by jkharper
If I may ask, what all do you know so far about Jamies case? If there are any holes I can help fill in, I'll do what I can. And just to clarify, I'm Jamies aunt, not sister. [/*]

ty, jk.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by grande
My understanding is that Jamie was dating someone by the name of Josh on the night she disappeared. The story I was given conflicts with what has been reported in the media.

With everyone's support perhaps we can bring Jamie home to her mother.

Jamie WERE COMING...

:ROSE: [/*]

IMO, positive thinking and a physical search in less than a week. Thru teamwork, the objective can be achieved. The light of hope is growing brighter.
jmo

[Leanne Weich]

Grande, is this not perhaps another case for TES?

[reddog]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich
Grande, is this not perhaps another case for TES? [/*]

sounds like it may be. i posted this here a couple of days ago:

Originally posted by reddog


i don't know if tes has been contacted. this is from their site:

http://www.texasequusearch.org/report_missingperson.html

"Special note: Texas EquuSearch can only accept a missing person case if it's been filed the appropriate law enforcement agency and a case number has been assigned. Requests must be made by the family of the missing person and/or the law enforcement agency handling the case. " [/*]

[jkharper]

I'm not real familiar with all of this. What exactly is TES and what woudl they do?

[reddog]

Originally posted by jessie'sback
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Originally posted by reddog


i don't know if tes has been contacted. this is from their site:

http://www.texasequusearch.org/repo...singperson.html

"Special note: Texas EquuSearch can only accept a missing person case if it's been filed the appropriate law enforcement agency and a case number has been assigned. Requests must be made by the family of the missing person and/or the law enforcement agency handling the case. " [/*]
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I saw your post rd so thought I'd ask the question. Thanks for this info! [/*]

ty. i was pretty sure you had seen it. just keep things bumped. ;}

[Aileron1980]

Originally posted by Aileron1980



From what I hear Ramms were never searched because there was not enough evidnece to retain a warrent. but that is local hearsay which around here you know small town lol is probably as good as gold. As far as I know Dogtown (near paxton) was the only area that was extenisively searched with the dogs, atvs and sonar. [/*]


Ok UPDATE is that Ramm's place on the corner of rt49and 136 was searched yesterday and nothing was found and no news on whether they will be back or not. thats it for now gotta go bye

[reddog]

Originally posted by jessie'sback


link works fine on your 5:29 pm. post. I guess it just didn't work when quoted which happens all the time. [/*]

sry. i meant to say (i was) just keeping things bumped.

[reddog]

Originally posted by Aileron1980



Ok UPDATE is that Ramm's place on the corner of rt49and 136 was searched yesterday and nothing was found and no news on whether they will be back or not. thats it for now gotta go bye [/*]

ty for the update.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Harper Search Accelerates
(includes video)

While police are tight-lipped about they've found, they do say progress is being made, especially after they combed through a field on route 49 near Armstrong. A tip led them there. That was one of the bigger searches police have done since checking gravel pits outside Paxton months ago. Now they say they may be on to something. "We never put out that nothing was ever found," said Chief Paul Farber. "Indeed we did take some things from there, but I'm not going to specify what we did take."
...
FBI has said Harper will be featured on the CBS show "Without a Trace" next Thursday. It features a missing person at the end of each episode. The CBS "Early Show" will do a follow up to that story the following morning.

http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=9163

[reddog]

good deal.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Harper Search Accelerates
(includes video)

While police are tight-lipped about they've found, they do say progress is being made, especially after they combed through a field on route 49 near Armstrong. A tip led them there. That was one of the bigger searches police have done since checking gravel pits outside Paxton months ago. Now they say they may be on to something. "We never put out that nothing was ever found," said Chief Paul Farber. "Indeed we did take some things from there, but I'm not going to specify what we did take."
...
FBI has said Harper will be featured on the CBS show "Without a Trace" next Thursday. It features a missing person at the end of each episode. The CBS "Early Show" will do a follow up to that story the following morning.

http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=9163 [/*]

Wow, that is wonderful news!

[Cury-us Coyote]

follows Arnette guardianship coverage
http://www.wicd15.com/news/news.shtml

[reddog]

Originally posted by tardis-ite


So Heather disappeard first, am I correct? When did she disappear? From what I have read so far, these two boys look like POI to me. :rose: for heather and jamie [/*]

she went missing almost 10 years before jamie did.

[Aileron1980]

Originally posted by reddog


she went missing almost 10 years before jamie did. [/*]


THE POI is Jeremy ramm the property searched is owed by his father and the cops were back out there tonight again. so we will have to wait and see I would keep watching illinoishomepage.net for updates because that is the local news channel around here. and now they just flashed the place again they are watching it hard. Well lets all hope and pray night all

[Cury-us Coyote]

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/harper_j.htm

[Cury-us Coyote]

Investigators Continue Search for Jamie Harper

Last Edited: Friday, 19 Oct 2007, 8:28 AM CDT
Created: Friday, 19 Oct 2007, 8:28 AM CDT

http://www.myfoxchampaign.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=4683759

[PinkPony]

So, Rantoul police don't plan on calling outside search teams such as Texas Equusearch?
Sounds like egos getting in the way. jmo

[concrncitz]

Originally posted by PinkPony
So, Rantoul police don't plan on calling outside search teams such as Texas Equusearch?
Sounds like egos getting in the way. jmo [/*]


I agree, there was a statement made (in the news article) that said the areas that were searched were searched thouroughly and basically that they didnt need TES but if you look at Naomi's case, they said they searched everywhere really good but TES came in and what do you know............

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by grande


FBI profile states Jamie was last seen at 4:30 AM on Saturday morning March 10th. [/*]

And....."had made plans to spend the night at a friend's house."

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/harper_j.htm

[Cury-us Coyote]

Without A Trace on CBS

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/without_a_trace/missing_person/harper_jamie.shtml

[Aileron1980]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


That is it, I believe. Good job. [/*]


If your map is correct this is NOT the property searched. route 49 runs infront of the property NOT 136. Route 136 Runs into 49 right infront of it. Also it is route 136 headed to danville NOt rantoul. The road splits and the 136 that leads to rantoul is about 1/4 mile north on route 49. If this helps you find it. the property is very small less than an acre. Also there is a house across the street on the actual corner of 136 and 49. If these are old maps these were all gas stations in this area if I am not mistaken

Good Luck

[Rummy]

quote:
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Originally posted by PinkPony
So, Rantoul police don't plan on calling outside search teams such as Texas Equusearch?
Sounds like egos getting in the way. jmo [/*]
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Originally posted by concrncitz



I agree, there was a statement made (in the news article) that said the areas that were searched were searched thouroughly and basically that they didnt need TES but if you look at Naomi's case, they said they searched everywhere really good but TES came in and what do you know............ [/*]


October 19, 2007


Good morning, Pink, Concrncitz, Focus, Grande and ALL!

It's good to see they can't pull the wool over the eyes of THIS bunch! Hahaha!!! I'm glad you are seeing confirmation of the ego and attitude problems we face here, as it is the very thing that has prevented them from resolving these cases a long time ago!

And to the not calling in TES, I say BULL$ _ _ _ !!! The family has every RIGHT to do so, if they wish!! Of course, LE can stick their toes in the ground, be rude and not cooperate with the effort... but what else is new?!?!

Focus, you all go right ahead and rant... I did mine yesterday!!! :punch:

Pink, I saw you mentioned possibly coming to C-U pretty soon. If you do, and anyone would like to get together, let me know! Depending on when you come and your schedule... we know some GOOD places to eat, too! Everyone is welcome!

Thanks for the great work and dedication... YOU ALL ROCK!!!!

Sincerely,

"Rummy"

[Cury-us Coyote]

Agencies look for missing woman at Vermilion site

Wooten would not say who owns the property.
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2007/10/19/agencies_look_for_harper_at_vermilion


IMO, most rural and small town locals recognize the outbuildings and/or possess plat maps.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Agencies look for missing woman at Vermilion site

Wooten would not say who owns the property.
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2007/10/19/agencies_look_for_harper_at_vermilion


IMO, most rural and small town locals recognize the outbuildings and/or possess plat maps. [/*]

You are right Cury-us. Everyone already knows who the property belongs to, William Ramm.
That was posted here earlier by a family member of Jamie's.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by Rummy
quote:
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Originally posted by PinkPony
So, Rantoul police don't plan on calling outside search teams such as Texas Equusearch?
Sounds like egos getting in the way. jmo [/*]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




October 19, 2007


Good morning, Pink, Concrncitz, Focus, Grande and ALL!

It's good to see they can't pull the wool over the eyes of THIS bunch! Hahaha!!! I'm glad you are seeing confirmation of the ego and attitude problems we face here, as it is the very thing that has prevented them from resolving these cases a long time ago!

And to the not calling in TES, I say BULL$ _ _ _ !!! The family has every RIGHT to do so, if they wish!! Of course, LE can stick their toes in the ground, be rude and not cooperate with the effort... but what else is new?!?!

Focus, you all go right ahead and rant... I did mine yesterday!!! :punch:

Pink, I saw you mentioned possibly coming to C-U pretty soon. If you do, and anyone would like to get together, let me know! Depending on when you come and your schedule... we know some GOOD places to eat, too! Everyone is welcome!

Thanks for the great work and dedication... YOU ALL ROCK!!!!

Sincerely,

"Rummy" [/*]

Hi Rummy,

Yes, I did post that and am still trying to work it out. I most definitely will be in touch.

PP

[Shells2]

This really bothers me. The police in all missing cases should be BEGGING other search agencies, such as TES to come in and help. They should want to find these missing people as much as anyone else. This should not be about ego's or "collars" - but about missing people. They can't even use the investigation as an excuse, as TES has been involved with enough searches that I am sure they are more than well aware about how to handle anything they may come across..

This is so infuriating..

[jellybeans]

Originally posted by tardis-ite


Couldn't TES come in on behalf of the family? Or would the police not want that since they are active in the investigation right now? [/*]

I believe the family or the LE agency working the case can make a request for assistance from TES:

'Special note: Texas EquuSearch can only accept a missing person case if it's been filed the appropriate law enforcement agency and a case number has been assigned. Requests must be made by the family of the missing person and/or the law enforcement agency handling the case.'

http://www.texasequusearch.org/report_missingperson.html

[Cury-us Coyote]

JAMIE HARPER SEARCH

Investigators search for more answers Thursday in the case of a missing Paxton woman.
...
Investigators worked new leads in the case yesterday.

Rantoul Police say they have completed investigating an area they believe may have provided clues to her whereabouts.

http://www.wicd15.com/news/news.shtml

[OldFart]

Grande,
Just wanted to say... You amaze me at what you can discover.
Just wonder how big a problem for Law Enforcement it is / will be given that 3 or more counties may be involved.
Champaign, Ford, Vermilion ???

I also noticed some heavy woods / creek not far south from the area searched and a good size body of water too.

I wonder how may vech. have come and gone from that property in the last 7 months ??

Keep up the good work

OldF

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by Shells2
This really bothers me. The police in all missing cases should be BEGGING other search agencies, such as TES to come in and help. They should want to find these missing people as much as anyone else. This should not be about ego's or "collars" - but about missing people. They can't even use the investigation as an excuse, as TES has been involved with enough searches that I am sure they are more than well aware about how to handle anything they may come across..

This is so infuriating.. [/*]

I agree, Shells

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


Well thank you Elderly Flatulent one!

I noticed the wooded area and the waterway as well. I read they were searched thoroughly according to LE. Hopefully the evidence collected will have a significant impact on the case in general.

Take care! [/*]

:eek:

[Noelle13]

This mornings edition of the News Gazette..

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2007/10/19/agencies_look_for_harper_at_vermilion (http://)http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2007/10/19/agencies_look_for_harper_at_vermilion

[jkharper]

Good morning all, I would like to say on behalf of all our family, thank you so much for helping with Jamies case. Unfortunately, no further information has been given to us at this time. We haven't been contacted yet about whether or not anything was truly found at the property. We're all very nervous that this will all turn out like every other time there was a "tip" and nothing seems to happen and then 10 years from now, we'll be in the same predicament as Heather Zimmermans family. LE is being very tight-lipped...not sure if that is positive or not. Again, thank you so much.

[Noelle13]

Originally posted by jessie'sback


Hi Noelle, Is this the link you meant? Cury-us posted it yesterday:

Cury-us Coyote
Senior Member

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Agencies look for missing woman at Vermilion site

Wooten would not say who owns the property.
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/lo...er_at_vermilion


IMO, most rural and small town locals recognize the outbuildings and/or possess plat maps.



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10-19-2007 12:39 PM [/*]


Ah ok, my bad, I looked at NG online this morning and assumed it was todays... I have been away for a bit..
I guess I need to stop reading the threads backwards when I have missed a few days...
My apologies...

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by jkharper
Good morning all, I would like to say on behalf of all our family, thank you so much for helping with Jamies case. Unfortunately, no further information has been given to us at this time. We haven't been contacted yet about whether or not anything was truly found at the property. We're all very nervous that this will all turn out like every other time there was a "tip" and nothing seems to happen and then 10 years from now, we'll be in the same predicament as Heather Zimmermans family. LE is being very tight-lipped...not sure if that is positive or not. Again, thank you so much. [/*]

Unless I overlooked it, Jamie's information is not yet listed at AMW site.
http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/resources.cfm

[Leanne Weich]

Thanks so much for the very informative post CR. Photos would be great.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Thank You CR_in_IL.

IMO, appreciation for local insights and pictures is unanimous. Is this region a popular hunting (peasant, deer, turkey, etc) spot?
TIA

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
Could someone please tell me where you found the pictures from the sky? I noticed that the pictures from Grande are marked incorrectly and I'd also like to use them with my photos as a reference for those looking. [/*]

Just a guess, but likely Google Maps with an appropriate address keyed, zoom in and out with tool on left and switch to satellite or hybrid to combine map and satellite views. IMO, the view can be outdated or very current depending upon when satellite images were obtained.
http://maps.google.com/
jmo

[OldFart]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
That was actually the first place I checked, but google maps for this area are aweful. I'll just use this picture that I found. It has watermarks on it, but it's more recent I believe. Photo taken in August 2006, and looks like it had already been cleaned up by then.

I'll keep checking back before I post the pictures (working on cropping and marking) in case someone knows where the original air photo came from. [/*]

CR_in_IL
I'm guessing the maps may have came from the aerials section of Geographic Information System for Vermilion County Illinois

http://www.vcgis.org/

[Leanne Weich]

Thanks so much for the photos CR. They at least help us visualise the area. I worry that if Jamie's body was dumped in one of the trunks of the vehicles which was crushed and removed, we'll never find her.

[jellybeans]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
I've read a few articles that said that friends have stated that Jamie is fine and doesn't want to be found. Does anyone know who's saying this? Was it said by someone who says they've had contact with her or just someone stating an opinion?

Based on the theory that it's someone flat out telling authorities that she's fine and wants left alone, wouldn't they be required to say "and you can find her here and ask her" Wouldn't refusal to answer the question of "Where is she?" be interference with a investigation and punishable by law? [/*]

I think you make a great point--you would think that would be obstruction of justice (or something :shrug: ) if somebody knows where she is and is refusing to tell.

Thanks for all of your pics and sharing of information. That case about Ryan is pathetic! It shouldn't be the *families* having to suggest what equipment to bring in or use :rolleyes: , but, after Naomi's case, I guess it's par for the course around here, and doesn't surprise me. And for pete's sake, it's small, but, the FBI does have a local presence in C-U. You would think that would be a resource they call in fairly quickly once they suspect potential foul play (like doesn't the FBI have vastly more resources than local LE?). Months shouldn't be going by before they do that, IMO.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Does Jamie normally wear a medical alert bracelet, necklace, or charm? TIA

[PinkPony]

Good Morning Everyone.

Wow, I'm away from here for 1 day and look what happens!

Thanks for the pics CR and welcome. :seeya:

CR you made mention that someone is saying Jamie doesn't want to be found. Did you read that here or somewhere else? I'm trying to rack my brain and don't remember reading that here. (But that doesn't mean it isn't so.)LOL

As far as Jamie's medication, it is something she would have to take everyday to control her seizures. A medic alert bracelet or necklace would definitely be a possibility.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Harper Search Accelerates
(includes video)

While police are tight-lipped about they've found, they do say progress is being made, especially after they combed through a field on route 49 near Armstrong. A tip led them there. That was one of the bigger searches police have done since checking gravel pits outside Paxton months ago. Now they say they may be on to something. "We never put out that nothing was ever found," said Chief Paul Farber. "Indeed we did take some things from there, but I'm not going to specify what we did take."
...
FBI has said Harper will be featured on the CBS show "Without a Trace" next Thursday. It features a missing person at the end of each episode. The CBS "Early Show" will do a follow up to that story the following morning.

http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=9163 [/*]

This link that Cury-us posted on Thursday. LE says that they received a tip.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
Bah... it's not wanting to quote again. Here's the article where I read about people saying she doesn't want to be found. It's a newscast.
http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?sid=4ae662c980*54bfece78967a645859ea&cid=6070

So again, who's saying this? Is it something authorities have looked into or something that was just said in passing. In situations like this, everyone comes up with their own theories. Whether it be what they know to be true, what they're speculating or what they're telling themselves so the hurt isn't so intense. [/*]

Thanks CR. I guess that is one link that I failed to read. I hadn't seen that one before.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Since Naomi Arnette has been located, I wonder if Crimestoppers and Adams Outdoor Advertising would consider a request from the Harper family to display Jamie's information in its place?

http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=8605

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by PinkPony
Good Morning Everyone.

Wow, I'm away from here for 1 day and look what happens!

Thanks for the pics CR and welcome. :seeya:

CR you made mention that someone is saying Jamie doesn't want to be found. Did you read that here or somewhere else? I'm trying to rack my brain and don't remember reading that here. (But that doesn't mean it isn't so.)LOL

As far as Jamie's medication, it is something she would have to take everyday to control her seizures. A medic alert bracelet or necklace would definitely be a possibility. [/*]

As far as Jamie's epilepsy is concerned, I wonder if it was under control. I never suffered from epilepsy until I turned 50 and it started as a result of a stroke I suffered 10 years ago. I don't know if it would be different if it is something you've lived with all your life, but I'm absolutely neurotic about taking my meds everyday.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


As far as Jamie's epilepsy is concerned, I wonder if it was under control. I never suffered from epilepsy until I turned 50 and it started as a result of a stroke I suffered 10 years ago. I don't know if it would be different if it is something you've lived with all your life, but I'm absolutely neurotic about taking my meds everyday. [/*]

I don't think Jamie's epilepsy was under control without her medicine. Otherwise I don't think there would have been comment made that Jamie didn't take it with her.
Epilepsy and seizures can be vary scary and can be caused from many different things.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

Very good idea Cury. Does the family have to request something like that or can someone else (i.e. Grande) call?

I'm not at all faulting anyone for doing everything possible to find Naomi. I applaud each and every person who was able to contribute, whether it be by monitary contributions, manpower, through thoughts and prayers or any other means. But I'm still unsure of the reason that so many of these things were done to find her, but the same is not happening for Jamie. Why aren't there billboards and why have the team from Texas not come to help? Is it a lack of funding? I ask only out of curiosity. I'm not trying to point fingers, hurt feelings or say no one cares. [/*]

Special note: Texas EquuSearch can only accept a missing person case if it's been filed the appropriate law enforcement agency and a case number has been assigned. Requests must be made by the family of the missing person and/or the law enforcement agency handling the case.
http://www.texasequusearch.org/report_missingperson.html

:seeya:

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

Very good idea Cury. Does the family have to request something like that or can someone else (i.e. Grande) call?

I'm not at all faulting anyone for doing everything possible to find Naomi. I applaud each and every person who was able to contribute, whether it be by monitary contributions, manpower, through thoughts and prayers or any other means. But I'm still unsure of the reason that so many of these things were done to find her, but the same is not happening for Jamie. Why aren't there billboards and why have the team from Texas not come to help? Is it a lack of funding? I ask only out of curiosity. I'm not trying to point fingers, hurt feelings or say no one cares. [/*]

All of these things were done to find Naomi because her sister-in-law Angela contacted these people and asked for help.
Jamie's family could do the same thing.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

TYVM Cury - Does anyone know if the family's done this? And I notice it says OR law enforcement. Maybe someone here could convince LE to contact TES considering the last time they came to the area it only took 2 days to do LE's jobs. If funds are an issue it seems to me that money would be better spent having TES come and find Jamie rather than letting local LE continue to run in circles.

Another question I have is, has a reward been set for the capture of the person responsible? It's amazing how people with come forth when a large amount of money is on the line. And with the "slackjaw brother" maybe someone really does have info that would lead to her. Sorry if these questions have been covered. I DID read the entire thread from start to finish, but it was alot of info to take in.

IMO MOO and all that...... [/*]

Agencies look for missing woman at Vermilion site
Crimestoppers is offering up to a $1,000 reward for information leading to an arrest.
http://www.news-gazette.com/ngsearch/index.cfm?&page=displyStory.cfm&yearfolder=the07news&file=101907%5Fngstory%5F80993%2Etxt&search=Jamie%20Harper&theorder=asaphrase

[David_Lohr]

I am writing an update on this for CL right now. Should be up by noon tomorrow.

----
http://www.myspace.com/david_lohr
http://www.myspace.com/david_lohr

[David_Lohr]

Originally posted by David_Lohr
I am writing an update on this for CL right now. Should be up by noon tomorrow.
[/*]

In regard to Jamie Harper
----
http://www.myspace.com/david_lohr

[PinkPony]

Thanks for posting these last two links, grande and cury-us.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by David_Lohr


In regard to Jamie Harper
----
http://www.myspace.com/david_lohr [/*]

Thank you David for taking an interest in the Jamie Harper case.

I read the article that you wrote about Jamie and posted this morning. It was very informative.

As I'm sure you know there is a thread about Jamie on the CTV Messageboards. It is listed under Amber Alerts and Missing Persons, there are many of us posting there who wish to bring some resolution for Jamie's family.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
Correct me if I'm mistaken because I have a bad memory. Jeromy Ramm is the person who's connected to the 10 year old investigation right?

Has anyone figured out who the Route 49 property belongs to?

Grande I will be PMing you in a moment... [/*]

The property searched on Rts 136 and 49 belongs to Jeromy's dad William.
And yes Jeromy is the POI in both cases. IIRC

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

Nevermind - I decided I was just chasing my tail and the thought that crossed my mind was probably far from the truth....so I won't bother you with it. [/*]

Go ahead and throw it out there. You never know it might not be that far from the truth.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


That's correct.

On Feb. 2, 1995 Jeromy was arrested & charged (later dismissed) with possession of alcohol by a minor. The named co-defendant was Heather's ex-husband Michael W. Zimmerman. This is the link between Heather Zimmerman & Jeromy/Jeremy Ramm David Lohr referred too in his most recent update @ CrimeLibrary. [/*]

I don't remember but were Heather and Michael divorced when Heather went missing?

[PinkPony]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CR_in_IL

Okay - here's my thought from earlier on. Does anyone know if there's a connection with Robert Ramm? And more importantly, could someone find his correct address. The only one I come up with is found on judici.com and it's incorrect.

But, being familiar with the rural addresses in the area, I configured it to match what I assumed it to be. It comes up as an area very close (within 3000 feet) to an old RV park. The acreage has an abandoned house, outbuildings and until a few months ago, it had water. IIRC they've bulldozed alot of the property (buildings are still standing) and pushed the dirt into what was sort of a pond. [/*][/QUOT

I don't remember that name coming up. What county did you find him in?

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL


I did a search at judici.com, vermilion county for the name Ramm. The garage is in Vermilion county. The address was also from 1994 so I'm just wondering if there's a current address or anything. Like I said, I was just chasing my tail.

Edit - Sorry,not 1994 but 2004.
http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_information.jsp?court=IL092015J&ocl=IL092015J,2004TR3046,IL092015JL2004TR3046D1 [/*]

Most certainly not chasing your tail CR. That was a good catch. I had researched Vermillion Co. records but was looking for Jeomy Ramm and didn't even look at Robert.

I noticed that the address given for Robert Ramm was in Armstrong. That is almost on top of where the search was done last Wednesday.

[Illinois2007]

Hello,

After the search from last week, I was searching on the Internet to see if anything had been found and I came across this message board. You guys have really done your homework and know a lot for no living in the area.

It is sad that many young people go missing in this area and not much searching is done to find them (Heather’s case, Ryan's case, and Jamie). I think that often times it is given up on because the area is such a challenge to search (heavy wooded areas and deep gravel pits). Many rumors have be said as to what was found since the search last week but nothing has officially has been said as to what has been found.

As for the Ramm family, it has been said that William and Jermoy are the "black sheep" of the family, and believed there is little contact if not any contact with the other Ramms. Am not sure what the exact relation is. But I know that Robert does farm in the area and may have land close together.

As for Jamie not wanting to be found, this would be selfish on her part. And with the work that is being done to find her am sure that someone would have come forth by this time.

There was mention of a Brandi? Is this a road? a person? And who was the last person to see her at 4:30?

Am just seeing a lot of things that aren’t making since just like that in the case of Heather’s I really believe that there is a connection.

Keep up the good work

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by Illinois2007
Hello,

After the search from last week, I was searching on the Internet to see if anything had been found and I came across this message board. You guys have really done your homework and know a lot for no living in the area.

It is sad that many young people go missing in this area and not much searching is done to find them (Heather’s case, Ryan's case, and Jamie). I think that often times it is given up on because the area is such a challenge to search (heavy wooded areas and deep gravel pits). Many rumors have be said as to what was found since the search last week but nothing has officially has been said as to what has been found.

As for the Ramm family, it has been said that William and Jermoy are the "black sheep" of the family, and believed there is little contact if not any contact with the other Ramms. Am not sure what the exact relation is. But I know that Robert does farm in the area and may have land close together.

As for Jamie not wanting to be found, this would be selfish on her part. And with the work that is being done to find her am sure that someone would have come forth by this time.

There was mention of a Brandi? Is this a road? a person? And who was the last person to see her at 4:30?

Am just seeing a lot of things that aren’t making since just like that in the case of Heather’s I really believe that there is a connection.

Keep up the good work [/*]

Thanks for joining Illinois2007 and "chime in" anytime.

:seeya: