Jamie Harper, 20, Paxton, IL - 3/9/07

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by jessie'sback
He has a speeding ticket and one civil judgement against him in Champaign County. That's the only additionals I found:

http://www.cccircuitclerk.com/

Jessie~ [/*]

Also check Joy G at same home address.
jmo

[Cury-us Coyote]

Police Need Help finding Missing Woman
http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=5165

A Community Comes Together to Help Find Missing Woman
http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=5172
http://illinoishomepage.net/media_player.php?media_id=1856
(jerky video)

Missing Woman Search
http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=5406
http://illinoishomepage.net/media_player.php?media_id=2124
(audio poor)

Missing Persons Connection
http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=5926
http://illinoishomepage.net/media_player.php?media_id=2569

[OldFart]

I know I prob. missed it.. a map of addresses
I know this Info is here but it is also on the site HarlettOhara set up Help Find The Missing a2
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2

Josh Nibbe
Offense Date 4/1/2007
Count Description 01 UNLICENSED
Address 317 N SCOTT APT 3 THOMASBORO IL 61878
Vehicle 2003 Blue Dodge Neon - Plate # 908 7547
Disposition EX PARTE - No appearance by Deft.
I did not locate the address in Thomasboro... but did in Rantoul ???

Offense Date 4/17/2007
Count Description 01 UNLICENSED
Address 1313 BRIARCLIFF RANTOUL IL 61866
Vehicle 2003 Blue Dodge Neon - Plate # 908 7547
Disposition EX PARTE - No appearance by Deft.

Offense Date 4/23/2007
Count Description 01 UNLICENSED
Address 1140 N CENTURY APT 15 RANTOUL IL 61866
Vehicle 2006 Grey Dodge Durango - Plate # 728 5691
Disposition EX PARTE - No appearance by Deft.

Not even sure if the address's are home address or site of ticket?

Jeromy Ramm, 31, whose last known address was in the 1300 block of Laurel Drive,

Jamie was last seen (1300 block of Laurel Drive)

I hope this link to a Map works

http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/Jamie/?action=view&current=Jamie_adds.jpg

[Cury-us Coyote]

Sample Silver 2006 Dodge Durango

http://www.automotive.com/2006/65/dodge/durango/base/arizona/tempe/16120584/2/images.html

[OldFart]

Me Again :punch:

I just wanted to pass something along...
I had a rather interseting e-mail chat with a member of Champaign County Sheriff's pertaining to TES after Naomi's search.
Their point "was the fact that if animals had not disturbed the area, we may not have found the remains at all, even with 500 volunteers."

That I did not doubt and stated Yes Luck...played a big part... people at the correct place at the correct time & animals spreading things around etc. But I still have to wonder what brought that many people out to do the search? What would it take to make it happen again... for someone else in another place?

Their final reasponse was "I just think the community response was such a huge success due to the kids. I think this was the main reason we had so many people come out. Also this case, as in others like it, we try very hard to keep it in the news so people won’t forget. I think the efforts of the media helped as well."

Ok.. so how we do keep Jamie in the media?
JMO but I would like to know more about Jamie... what was she like, what made her happy, what was she looking forward to doing in life. What can be done to make people think of Jamie the person and NOT just a picture on a poster?
(This may be happening and I just do not know about. :confused: )

I have no idea when the various hunting seasons start... but I'm betting soon. Fylers with description of what Jamie was wearing in stores / departments that provide hunting gear could not hurt. Media outlets asking hunters to be more observant this year. If something just seems out of place... make note of what & where and then contact LE .

Just Wondering

[HarlettOhara]

Hi OldFart

I really think that if they could get the outdoor advertisement on board that would help an awful lot in getting Jamie in the media again. Also, money makes people talk.. maybe a fund raiser of some sort to go towards reward money would help.

[Cury-us Coyote]

1. Allegedly Jamie worked for Bell Helmets through a temporary service.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/people-search/66594-please-help-find-missing-paxton-woman.html
Apparently Bell Helmets is associated with Bell Racing.
1980 » William Zimmerman (President of Zimmerman Holdings) and James Marshall Galbraith (a noted legal mind and business author) purchase Bell Helmets, Inc. and Riddell, Inc. (makers of football helmets) and form Bell-Riddell Inc.
1986 » In 1986, Bell moved all manufacturing operations including auto racing from Norwalk, California to Rantoul, Illinois after acquiring the Vetter plant. The company remains headquartered in California.
http://www.bellracing.com/about_bell.asp?sec=aboutbell

2. According to co-workers, Jamie also reportedly worked at IGA grocery in Paxton.
Those who worked with Harper at the IGA store in Paxton say they're doing their part to help by posting signs throughout town.
http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=8802

Is the name Zimmerman a coincidence? Did Jamie work both jobs simultaneously or leave one position for the other? TIA

[Illinois2007]

Stopped in real quick...


Bill Ramm does not farm to my knowledge we works for the Village of Rantoul. As to what his job is am not really sure. Will do some research.

Still trying to find out the farmland, who farm what and maybe they are jsut tenants not really sure.

I do recall reading that she worked for Paxton IGA and then later worked a Bell Helments through temp service which is located on 3000N the same road that Ramms childhood home is on. And she was working there at the time of her disappearing because in a article it stated that she had a paycheck from working there that had not cleared the bank yet.

Zimmerman connection with Bell Helmets and Heather's married last name. That is creepy, but dont believe there is a connection.

As for Nibbe the address are where he would state his current residents is at the time of traffic stop. Further down it will state what the land mark was the he was stopped at. Lot of different address in a very short time.

[OldFart]

Harlette -- I agree Money can assist people in talking.
I just do NOT know what the family has going so I can assist someway?

Cury-us -- how do we get in touch with Jamies co-workers at the IGA? It sounds like they have some effort going on?

Illinois2007 -- So He was residing at that many address's in that short of time ?? I just took it to be a location where the violation occured. Do we Have an address for Josh Nibbe?

And does anyone know if there is a N SCOTT street in Thomasboro ?? Hey Police make clrerical mistakes too

CR -- I think Bell Helmets is part of Easton-Bell Sports, Inc.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/14/14323.html but NOT sure.
It would never hurt the family to approach them since they are a local (kinda) company.

SeeYaa

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by OldFart
Cury-us -- how do we get in touch with Jamies co-workers at the IGA? It sounds like they have some effort going on?

<respectfully snipped for focus>

SeeYaa [/*]

IGA Paxton
144 W Pells St
Paxton, IL 60957
(217) 379-3312

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=IGA+Paxton+IL
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=IGA&near=Paxton,+IL&fb=1&view=text&latlng=40461040,-88098127,4019494967530019873

[KLM21665]

Originally posted by OldFart
Me Again :punch:

I just wanted to pass something along...
I had a rather interseting e-mail chat with a member of Champaign County Sheriff's pertaining to TES after Naomi's search.
Their point "was the fact that if animals had not disturbed the area, we may not have found the remains at all, even with 500 volunteers."

That I did not doubt and stated Yes Luck...played a big part... people at the correct place at the correct time & animals spreading things around etc. But I still have to wonder what brought that many people out to do the search? What would it take to make it happen again... for someone else in another place?

Their final reasponse was "I just think the community response was such a huge success due to the kids. I think this was the main reason we had so many people come out. Also this case, as in others like it, we try very hard to keep it in the news so people won’t forget. I think the efforts of the media helped as well."

Ok.. so how we do keep Jamie in the media?
JMO but I would like to know more about Jamie... what was she like, what made her happy, what was she looking forward to doing in life. What can be done to make people think of Jamie the person and NOT just a picture on a poster?
(This may be happening and I just do not know about. :confused: )

I have no idea when the various hunting seasons start... but I'm betting soon. Fylers with description of what Jamie was wearing in stores / departments that provide hunting gear could not hurt. Media outlets asking hunters to be more observant this year. If something just seems out of place... make note of what & where and then contact LE .

Just Wondering [/*]


I'm new here but have been reading through the posts since yesterday. GREAT work!!!!

I have no intimate knowledge of the players here but I would be honored to work with any of the locals to get flyers out in the area, as I only live 20 miles north of Paxton and commute to Urbana daily. Please let me know if there is any interest.

[MayGirl15]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Sample Silver 2006 Dodge Durango

http://www.automotive.com/2006/65/dodge/durango/base/arizona/tempe/16120584/2/images.html [/*]\

Their dodge is an older body style and it is not silver...it is grey

[jellybeans]

Originally posted by OldFart
Me Again :punch:

I just wanted to pass something along...
I had a rather interseting e-mail chat with a member of Champaign County Sheriff's pertaining to TES after Naomi's search.
Their point "was the fact that if animals had not disturbed the area, we may not have found the remains at all, even with 500 volunteers."

[/u]

Their final reasponse was "I just think the community response was such a huge success due to the kids. I think this was the main reason we had so many people come out. [/*]

I hate to be a downer with LE, but, I find it difficult to believe that with scent/cadaver dogs they wouldn't have found a body in a shallow grave, had they done a systematic search of the rural area surrounding Naomi's town. As I understand it there was some ground searching, but, a helicopter search as well--and your chances of finding a shallow grave from a helicopter are kind of low. I guess they thought they might see something obvious (had she been out for a walk and injured) or suspicious, requiring further searching on the ground. But, to seemingly credit this in large part to animal scattering (like the attitude from them that they didn't have a hope even with 500 volunteers, if not for animals digging up the shallow grave) makes me think, crap, can't they do better than that when someone goes missing? :shrug: . LE in other parts of the country seem able to. Just venting :o) .

As for getting numbers out to search, tapping into local university sororities/fraternities might be something to look into. I am not sure how they work, but, I think they take on community service activities throughout the academic year. A missing person search would likely be unusual, in terms of what they usually do (I know fraternity guys from UIUC have come to my house in the past on Halloween to collect nonperishable food items for local food banks; I have seen sororities out in front of stores collecting money for shelters, Habitat For Humanity, etc.), but, maybe they would be able to offer help for a search (if TES were ever called in for this case). Just a thought (perhaps a dumb one, lol, but, the coffee hasn't taken full effect yet ).

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by FocusFactor
As I see it, we can do all sorts of searches and so forth online to find info on people, and speculate as to where Jamie might have been hidden that early morning.

But what would have to be done has to start with her family, or a close friend. It is they who would make the call to TES, not posters.
We have a lot of ways to help, but it ultimately has to be spearheaded by someone in that immediate area. A core group of 2-3 that is willing to do the phone calls and the work.

Examples would be
1) Angela Roy, who came here not knowing what to do and was sent in the right direction.
2) Melanie Greenburg, cousin to Lisa Stebic, who is keeping Lisa's case in the public eye in the Chicagoland area. That family and friend group is determined to find Lisa.
...and on and on, just look at the list of missing here. The ones who get attention are the ones where the family makes noise, and lots of it. However, the missing don't always get found. The sad reality is that many stay missing. Jennifer Kesse for example... her dad holds up a poster on street corners, so heartbreaking.
I do think Jamie will be found, she is someplace near Rantoul.

Website.
Establish a reward.
Get donated billboards, fliers, etc.
Organize search.

Now that there is renewed interest, there would be many volunteers for a grid search with a team like TES. [/*]

Good morning FF.:seeya:

Family and those close to Jamie are the clue. They are the ones needed to get the ball rolling.

I would be very glad to come and hand out fliers and assist in a search but someone close to the situation has to spearhead it. IMO

[ppkpdp05]

I have lived in the Rantoul area all my life and I was close to the Mullins family at one point, just wanted to say that I think there are other people that were involved with Heather's disappearance that they could have questioned and could have solved this a long time ago. I believe that the same POI in both cases is a good place to start but why hasen't he been questioned and why was Heather's ex never questioned either and I believe that there was possible one more person involved with that case where are these people now and if you solve one case more than likley I think that you will solve the other. I think it's just a matter of finding that one person that's weaker than the others and getting him to crack!:shrug: That's just my opinion, like I said I was close to the Mullins family at one point and I have always thought about Heather and it just seems like LE gave up on her rather quickly!:mad:

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

Welcome to the forum. It's nice to have someone from the area here. And ppk, you have every right in the world to be mad.

Once again, another bad opinion of local LE. I don't understand why they don't want to get out there and pull strings and do their jobs. Shouldn't they want to be the heroes? "WooHoo Look at me!!!" :shrug: [/*]

Yes you would think that that's what they would want, but who knows I could be way off track here. Like I said I have lived in this area a very long time and went to scholl with Heather and her sister so I have beem around to hear the rumors and the all the hearsay? I would just think that someone out there knows soemthing and one of those people has to have a conscience and someone has to crack at some point. They just have to fing that one person and if you look back at Mike Zimmerman's rap sheet he's no peach either and then look at his friends they all have rap sheets WHY WASN'T HE QUESTIONED????????

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande


Well stick around because with the support of locals like yourself and CR there is no doubt in my mind we can get this done! THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS. [/*]

I plan on sticking around this means alot to me and I know that it would mean alot to the families. It breaks my heart to see young women come up missing like this. It sure does make a person think and be grateful for what they have! I know I have chirpped a bunch about the Heather case but like I said if you solve one I'm pretty sure you will solve the other and I don't think that LE pursued all areas in either case? As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure they haven't?

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


Agreed!

I believe WE have established the foundation for renewed interest in this case. WE spent countless hours researching and making contacts because there was nothing to go on. No persons of interest, no family member beckoning the public, the media or anyone for that matter and essentially no direction it seemed. Knowing what I know now, I suspect a single person of committing crimes against Jamie, that being JEROMY RAMM. As for the Nibbe's; they are on the run for all intense and purposes. They both have unrelated outstanding warrants out of Champaign County. From what I understand Josh was questioned multiple times and did offer his support to Jamie's mother. Jeromy on the other hand skipped town only to be picked up in FLORIDA by the FBI. How many times have you seen the FBI track a fugitive for burglary? My instincts tell me LE knows very well who the most likely suspect in Jamie’s disappearance is.

I agree in that our best course of action is a volunteer search effort. However, I believe it is critical that it is endorsed by both Jamie's family and the local Sheriff's Offices.

In the meantime we can do the standard email blasts to the media outlets both local and national.

Oh and GOOD MORNING EVERYONE! [/*]

grande, I had the same thought about the FBI bringing Jeromy back from Florida. I also wondered if the tip LE received came from one of Jeromy's roomies at Pontiac.
But, that also brings us back to, what can LE do without forensic evidence?
Hence the need to find Jamie!

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by ppkpdp05


I plan on sticking around this means alot to me and I know that it would mean alot to the families. It breaks my heart to see young women come up missing like this. It sure does make a person think and be grateful for what they have! I know I have chirpped a bunch about the Heather case but like I said if you solve one I'm pretty sure you will solve the other and I don't think that LE pursued all areas in either case? As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure they haven't? [/*]

Is there anything that you have knowledge of that you can share with us?

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by PinkPony


Is there anything that you have knowledge of that you can share with us? [/*]

Well again this is all hearsay but I do know that Mike Zimmerman was rumored to be in the area the night Heather went missing and had bought a gun in Fla on his way here. I have heard that there was one other person that was with them that night meaning Mike and Jeromy, and that's the person that I think LE should try to find */c I believe he would be the one that would crack. I also know that Heather and Mike had had and arguement that very same day and I believe they weren't divorced yet I believe that they were just seperated at the time.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Alternate contact numbers & addresses -

http://springfield.fbi.gov/

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande


Wow very interesting.

Do you know the surname of the third person alleged to be w/ them that night? [/*]

OK new to this what do you mean by surname? And yes I know the name of the guy.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande


SORRY, I was looking for the last name of the person alleged to be with them. [/*]

Kenny Cedarhome they all hung out in HS Mike and Kenny more then Jeromy they really didn't become friends with him till after high school. That's when Kenny and Mike became kinda bad news they were really nice at one point in there lives believe it or not as for Jeromy he's always been a bad seed.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande


Let me guess... Brad Medler? [/*]

No but a good guess I actually have never heard his hame come up in this case which is weird */c they all have been in trouble together at some point in their lives. and he has quite a long rap sheet as well.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande


Hmmm, interesting thanks.

No criminal, civil or traffic records in the surrounding counties on Ken Cedarhome.

I checked Mclean, Ford, Champaign & Vermillion Counties. [/*]

well not quite sure that the last name is spelled right I would have to look it up in the yearbook or something? But he does have a rap sheet trust me I know of numerous times he's been in trouble. I'm sorry I really can't remember how to spell his name?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by PinkPony


grande, I had the same thought about the FBI bringing Jeromy back from Florida. I also wondered if the tip LE received came from one of Jeromy's roomies at Pontiac.
But, that also brings us back to, what can LE do without forensic evidence?
Hence the need to find Jamie! [/*]

Any thoughts on what the attraction to Florida is or was? Could it still exist for others?

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande
Kenneth Cederholm sound right? [/*]


Yes Thank you that's right!!!

[ppkpdp05]

Like I said no peach there either! Grande how did you get Brad Medler's name?

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Any thoughts on what the attraction to Florida is or was? Could it still exist for others? [/*]

I don't know what the connection is. As I've had time I've tried to search for that connection. Maybe family or friends?
Unfortunately, I don't think anything was ever said about where in Florida he was picked up.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande


He was a co-defendant along with Jeromy Ramm in a case post Heather's disappearance:

from Jeromy Ramm's case file;

Offense Date 3/17/1995
Jurisdiction Champaign County
Count Description 01 BURGLARY
Co-Defendant Bradley S Medler
Disposition Guilty - 60 Days County [/*]

well that would make sense at that point though I think Brad was for the most part staying out of trouble!

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande
Most recent charge against Ken Cederholm (Champaign County);

CASE #07CF00791
File Date: 05/10/07
Birth Date: 11/20/75
Offense Date: 05/09/07

Count Description
01 DOMESTIC BTRY/ CONTACT/PRIOR

Disposition;
Guilty of Count 1 Domestic Battery;
30 MOS PROB, 58 DAYS CCCC W/29 DAYS CREDIT

Docket Entries;
As a condition of Defendant's bond, Deft. is ordered to HAVE NO CONTACT whatsoever, directly or indirectly with Richard Cederholm or the address of 133 Winding Lane in Rantoul.

Source; https://secure.jtsmith.com/clerk/7d3jawq1ag36.asp [/*]

What relation to Kenneth is Richard and Janet Cederholm?

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by PinkPony


What relation to Kenneth is Richard and Janet Cederholm? [/*]

Parents!

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande
Anyone know what it is that was rumored to have been found on the property searched last week? [/*]


Man I wish I did didn't hit me till I got on here and you guys had figured out that it was Ramm property, but I told people that if you find something there about Jamie then you can probally find Heather as well.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by jessie'sback


Welcome ppk and good afternoon all. I'm just stopping in now and then to see if they're any updates. So this Ken Cederholm...another unsavory character.

I hope we do find out what was found last week. :seeya:

Jessie~ [/*]

Hi jessie.

I think the only thing made public was the fact that LE didn't find a body.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

Who did you tell? Just people in generally or LE? [/*]

People in general I would hope that LE would know that but this is all hearsay and like I said I have known the Mullins family for quite some time now so it would really mean a lot to me to see that case come to justice for their piece of mind as well as the Harper family.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande
For what it's worth...

Label '1' is the location of the Ramm's home @ 1979 County Road 3000 N & Label '2' is the location of the recent search.

http://i24.tinypic.com/2a9z7s0.jpg [/*]

Am I misunderstanding then the property was Ramm property?

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
I've been going through old articles as I wait for posts. Just trying to read everything possible so I don't miss anything. There's an article that keeps coming up that just irks the heck out of me. :cuss: It's been posted in the thread before. Here's a snippet.

"Wooten said he doesn't expect to call in any outside search teams, such as Equu-Search. The Texas-based firm assisted in finding the remains of missing Naomi Arnette south of Sadorus earlier this fall.

"The areas that we've wanted to search or had any information that needed to be searched have been searched," Wooten said, "and done very thoroughly."
http://www.news-gazette.com/news/print/2007/10/19/agencies_look_for_harper_at_vermilion/

Is it just me or does that translate to "We went out there once and we aint doin' it again!!! We're not calling in any help because we dont need TES coming in and showing us how to do our job" :flamemad: [/*]


Yes CR that is exactly what is sounds like to me same thing with Heather ten yrs ago it's like they just gave up!

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by jessie'sback


Wow grande you are quick!! Did you happen to see the info I posted on Anastasia yesterday? Another bad apple.

Jessie~ [/*]

Now Jessie I don't know Anastasia but what was posted?

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by jessie'sback


jessie'sback
Senior Member

Registered: Jul 2007
Location: all posts moo
Posts: 1251
Researching further I found Anastasia Ramm had 3 PO's taken out on Jeremy Ramm (some are under Jeromy). She received the first emergency PO then had it vacated as well as the other ones?

If you look up Anastasia you'll see she has two forcible entry convictions. One of those plaintiff's was William Ramm. Several traffic charges as well: no insurance on vehicle, speeding and minor no seatbelt charge.

My God this family is unbelievable.



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10-22-2007 07:25 PM [/*]

Bad seeds usually run with bad seeds, thank God I don't believe they have any children at least I don't think they do if they do I pray for those children.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande


Yea I saw that. Jeromy has a child also with a Jamie Parrish and was married in Decatur to another woman who's name I can't remember. [/*]

Yes forgot about Jamie Parrish another good seed let me tell you!!!!!!;)

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by jessie'sback


No not Rios. It is infact a 'recent' ctv poster on this forum. It makes me wonder what the motive is and who this person really is. A caring party or one looking for info?

Maybe that poster can speaak for themself? We'll see...

I'll save your email grande, ty.

Jessie~ [/*]

well now I would really like to know too! I've mentioned a lot of names today?

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by ppkpdp05


Parents! [/*]

That's what I was thinking too.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by PinkPony


That's what I was thinking too. [/*]

I'm sorry Pink didn't see that you responded to that it is his parents I know them we went to the same church.

[bettycat]

Hi. I'm in Champaign, IL and recently jumped over to Jamie's thread after following Naomi's since June. I've never posted before (because I'm at work and I'm really not supposed to, oops), but I saw something that compelled me to register so I could respond.

I just have to say that "Forcible Entry", at least in Champaign County is not what it sounds like it would be. It's an eviction. I know this makes absolutely no sense at all, but that's what it is. A few years ago I co-signed for an apartment for my daughter. Sparing you the details of her horrible situation, she was evicted. As co-signer, I was sued by the landlord, and now have "Forcible Entry" on my record. So the girl didn't force her way in anywhere, she was simply thrown out! (Not really a good thing either). I just wanted to clear that up because I'm pretty sensitive that if anyone looked my name up, that's what they'd find and think.

My own daughter disappeared shortly after she was evicted and was missing for several months. I knew who she was with and that she was in Memphis but had no idea of her safety or that of my granddaughter, who was due to be born. They eventually turned up in Chicago in a shelter, where her loser/control freak/abuser had been arrested and she called me to come get her and the baby. I'm very sensitive to these cases....it certainly could have been a tragic outcome in my own situation. They are now safe. But too many young women become involved in things that can quickly spiral way out of control.

Sorry this got so long. Bless everyone who helped find Naomi, and are now fighting for justice for Jamie. I'm astounded at how much you all have discovered in such a short time! Thanks...and I'll check back later after I get some work done.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by bettycat
Hi. I'm in Champaign, IL and recently jumped over to Jamie's thread after following Naomi's since June. I've never posted before (because I'm at work and I'm really not supposed to, oops), but I saw something that compelled me to register so I could respond.

I just have to say that "Forcible Entry", at least in Champaign County is not what it sounds like it would be. It's an eviction. I know this makes absolutely no sense at all, but that's what it is. A few years ago I co-signed for an apartment for my daughter. Sparing you the details of her horrible situation, she was evicted. As co-signer, I was sued by the landlord, and now have "Forcible Entry" on my record. So the girl didn't force her way in anywhere, she was simply thrown out! (Not really a good thing either). I just wanted to clear that up because I'm pretty sensitive that if anyone looked my name up, that's what they'd find and think.

My own daughter disappeared shortly after she was evicted and was missing for several months. I knew who she was with and that she was in Memphis but had no idea of her safety or that of my granddaughter, who was due to be born. They eventually turned up in Chicago in a shelter, where her loser/control freak/abuser had been arrested and she called me to come get her and the baby. I'm very sensitive to these cases....it certainly could have been a tragic outcome in my own situation. They are now safe. But too many young women become involved in things that can quickly spiral way out of control.

Sorry this got so long. Bless everyone who helped find Naomi, and are now fighting for justice for Jamie. I'm astounded at how much you all have discovered in such a short time! Thanks...and I'll check back later after I get some work done. [/*]

Hi bettycat and welcome. Thanks for the clarification because it does put a new light on things.

I so glad that things worked out for your daughter and grandbaby. The situation could have easily turned tragic.

I know what you mean about being at work.:D

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by ppkpdp05


I'm sorry Pink didn't see that you responded to that it is his parents I know them we went to the same church. [/*]

Ohhh ok I see.

I missed your post and that is why I responded late.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by PinkPony


Ohhh ok I see.

I missed your post and that is why I responded late. [/*]

No problem;)

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by FocusFactor
Yikes, I didn't know forced entry = eviction in CC. Strange wording. [/*]

Everything's kinda strange here!:D

[OldFart]

Just stoping in for a bit.
Back on pg13 I did a map of address's listed by Josh Nibbe for his moving violations in April (3 different addys)

One was listed as 317 N SCOTT THOMASBORO IL

Going by a person at Thomasboro police dept. they Do NOT have a SCOTT street ? They may be incorrect but ..?

Was Josh the person Jamie was going to stay with after the party? Do we know where he was living at that time?

Just Wondering

[OldFart]

I found this site for Cell Towers.
http://www.cellreception.com/towers/

Rantoul area http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php?city=rantoul&state_abr=il

Not that it will do us any good but it kinda :cool: to look at
:seeya:

[Cury-us Coyote]

IMO, the tracks are laid but the Justice Train has not yet arrived at Rantoul depot.
In the interim, where would a Rantoul resident go to get a tat?
TIA

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by FocusFactor
As I see it, we can do all sorts of searches and so forth online to find info on people, and speculate as to where Jamie might have been hidden that early morning.

But what would have to be done has to start with her family, or a close friend. It is they who would make the call to TES, not posters.
We have a lot of ways to help, but it ultimately has to be spearheaded by someone in that immediate area. A core group of 2-3 that is willing to do the phone calls and the work.

Examples would be
1) Angela Roy, who came here not knowing what to do and was sent in the right direction.
2) Melanie Greenburg, cousin to Lisa Stebic, who is keeping Lisa's case in the public eye in the Chicagoland area. That family and friend group is determined to find Lisa.
...and on and on, just look at the list of missing here. The ones who get attention are the ones where the family makes noise, and lots of it. However, the missing don't always get found. The sad reality is that many stay missing. Jennifer Kesse for example... her dad holds up a poster on street corners, so heartbreaking.
I do think Jamie will be found, she is someplace near Rantoul.

Website.
Establish a reward.
Get donated billboards, fliers, etc.
Organize search.

Now that there is renewed interest, there would be many volunteers for a grid search with a team like TES. [/*]

I can take care of doing a website for Jamie if one is needed. Just let me know and I will get a domain name for her. I can also do a flier.

[cleo612]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
IMO, the tracks are laid but the Justice Train has not yet arrived at Rantoul depot.
In the interim, where would a Rantoul resident go to get a tat?
TIA [/*]

Hi Cury,

If you are trying to figure out where one or more of the POS might have gotten a tattoo, don't forget that they were also incarcerated, so prison is also a likely location for having attained their skin-art. Just a thought..

cleo

[Illinois2007]

Wow... So much has been written.

Over the years both Brad and Kenny have been said to be apart of Heather’s disappearance 10 years ago. Every time it is brought up its like everyone knows what happened to her but no hard evidence has been found because someone did a good job covering their tracks. Dogtown is know for their deep gravel pits and has been stated that there are catfish in their that would have human for snack. Meaning that nothing will ever be found. I just do not understand why certain people have not been interviewed. As far as were Mike, Ken and Brad are now days I have no idea other than Kenny was in the area during the summer of 2005 and listed his parents address for residences. Maybe fond someone on Classmates.com that would have gone to school with them. Just a thought. Also, Mike Widmer is said to be in the area. And of course Jeromy is in prison. These are all names that are POI in Heather’s case. Did anyone find out the past on the Nibbe boys, are they from this area?

Also it has been said that Bill Ramm was out of town on business this past week and that is when the property was searched is this maybe why they haven’t released anything to the media as to what was found??? And this all of this commotion where is Jeromy’s mother?

Another thing and that was a help in Naomi’s case. What are Jamie’s cell phone records showing? Any thing there?

University of Illinois campus has several tattoo places and also back in the day I believe there was a tattoo place in Rantoul and some independents in Paxton. How would this info help?

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


I can take care of doing a website for Jamie if one is needed. Just let me know and I will get a domain name for her. I can also do a flier. [/*]

Harlett you are the best!;)

[MayGirl15]

Originally posted by Illinois2007
Wow... So much has been written.

Over the years both Brad and Kenny have been said to be apart of Heather’s disappearance 10 years ago. Every time it is brought up its like everyone knows what happened to her but no hard evidence has been found because someone did a good job covering their tracks. Dogtown is know for their deep gravel pits and has been stated that there are catfish in their that would have human for snack. Meaning that nothing will ever be found. I just do not understand why certain people have not been interviewed. As far as were Mike, Ken and Brad are now days I have no idea other than Kenny was in the area during the summer of 2005 and listed his parents address for residences. Maybe fond someone on Classmates.com that would have gone to school with them. Just a thought. Also, Mike Widmer is said to be in the area. And of course Jeromy is in prison. These are all names that are POI in Heather’s case. Did anyone find out the past on the Nibbe boys, are they from this area?

Also it has been said that Bill Ramm was out of town on business this past week and that is when the property was searched is this maybe why they haven’t released anything to the media as to what was found??? And this all of this commotion where is Jeromy’s mother?

Another thing and that was a help in Naomi’s case. What are Jamie’s cell phone records showing? Any thing there?

University of Illinois campus has several tattoo places and also back in the day I believe there was a tattoo place in Rantoul and some independents in Paxton. How would this info help? [/*]

As far as Bill Ramm being out of town...I saw him in town on the 19th. The friday after evertyhing was searched...So i believe that is not true. And it is funny that you bring up his wife, jeromy's mother...I heard she has been missing for awhile and no one has said anything about it. Maybe she knows something, or did....

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by MayGirl15


As far as Bill Ramm being out of town...I saw him in town on the 19th. The friday after evertyhing was searched...So i believe that is not true. And it is funny that you bring up his wife, jeromy's mother...I heard she has been missing for awhile and no one has said anything about it. Maybe she knows something, or did.... [/*]

MayGirl

How did you hear that Jeromy's mom has been missing? Did the information come from someone reliable?

Under the circumstances I would be very concerned for her.

[MayGirl15]

Originally posted by PinkPony


MayGirl

How did you hear that Jeromy's mom has been missing? Did the information come from someone reliable?

Under the circumstances I would be very concerned for her. [/*]

That is just hearsay that is going around Rantoul...but I have heard it from a couple people....no one too reliable...gossip in a small town

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by Illinois2007
Wow... So much has been written.

Over the years both Brad and Kenny have been said to be apart of Heather’s disappearance 10 years ago. Every time it is brought up its like everyone knows what happened to her but no hard evidence has been found because someone did a good job covering their tracks. Dogtown is know for their deep gravel pits and has been stated that there are catfish in their that would have human for snack. Meaning that nothing will ever be found. I just do not understand why certain people have not been interviewed. As far as were Mike, Ken and Brad are now days I have no idea other than Kenny was in the area during the summer of 2005 and listed his parents address for residences. Maybe fond someone on Classmates.com that would have gone to school with them. Just a thought. Also, Mike Widmer is said to be in the area. And of course Jeromy is in prison. These are all names that are POI in Heather’s case. Did anyone find out the past on the Nibbe boys, are they from this area?

Also it has been said that Bill Ramm was out of town on business this past week and that is when the property was searched is this maybe why they haven’t released anything to the media as to what was found??? And this all of this commotion where is Jeromy’s mother?

Another thing and that was a help in Naomi’s case. What are Jamie’s cell phone records showing? Any thing there?

University of Illinois campus has several tattoo places and also back in the day I believe there was a tattoo place in Rantoul and some independents in Paxton. How would this info help? [/*]

Ill what about Mike Zimmerman Heather's ex has anyone heard anything about him latley? And I have a feeling that Kenny would crack if he was pressured. I think out of all of them he would be the one with a concsience! Just a thought?

[texasgal]

Hi grande .. :seeya: and all.

You guys are kicking booooooo- tay! LOL. I love to just pop over and catch up every few days.

Has anyone talked to CW lately about giving Jaime her own thread? Then we could post links, timeline, theories threads??

CW? Puleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease?

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande


Texas! Hey there, been missing you round here. Hope all is well, thanks for checking in.

I second the request for a thread on behalf of Jamie.

Have a good day! [/*]

OK so I'm a newbie and I don't get what your talking about I thought this was Jamie's thread?

[texasgal]

Originally posted by grande


Texas! Hey there, been missing you round here. Hope all is well, thanks for checking in.

I second the request for a thread on behalf of Jamie.

Have a good day! [/*]

All is well, my friend... Work and children of my own sometimes get in the way of my internet time .. can you imagine? LOL

[cleo612]

Originally posted by grande


Sorry, I am referring to a 'forum' rather than a thread. The forums are located at the top of the Amber Alerts page. There are two as we speak; Brandi Hawkins Laurent & Madeleine McCann. [/*]

grande, and everyone else,

I just wrote to Coldwater requesting a separate forum for Jamie. We will see what happens.

cleo

[darcie]

Jusa want everyone to know what a wonderufl job you are doing for Jamie. I'm not much help when it comes to investigatvie things. My mind just doesn't think *out of the box* i guess....lol.

Anyway, just wanted to say keep up the good work, and know that I am in the sidelines rooting for Jamie, and you all.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by MayGirl15


That is just hearsay that is going around Rantoul...but I have heard it from a couple people....no one too reliable...gossip in a small town [/*]

I know what you mean about small towns and gossip.

O/T I live in a small town and am thankful. This past weekend a tragedy happened and for once I am greatful people are nosey.

If you all get a chance pop over to Current Crimes and read the Michelle Cavaletto thread.

[ppkpdp05]

Hey guys a little lost was reading back and where did the whole tattoo thing come from earlier? Is there some evidence that the POI or suspect had a tattoo?:shrug:

[Ella's Mom]

Originally posted by ppkpdp05
Hey guys a little lost was reading back and where did the whole tattoo thing come from earlier? Is there some evidence that the POI or suspect had a tattoo?:shrug: [/*]

No, no evidence that I am aware of. The topic statred when Cury-Us posted yesterday 7:46pm eastern):

**IMO, the tracks are laid but the Justice Train has not yet arrived at Rantoul depot.
In the interim, where would a Rantoul resident go to get a tat?
TIA**

That leads me to believe Cury Us may be working on a thought with regards to tattoos, but hasn't shared the reasoning with us yet.


Either that or Cury Us is looking for a place to get one for herself/himself.
:biggrin:

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by Ella's Mom


No, no evidence that I am aware of. The topic statred when Cury-Us posted yesterday 7:46pm eastern):

**IMO, the tracks are laid but the Justice Train has not yet arrived at Rantoul depot.
In the interim, where would a Rantoul resident go to get a tat?
TIA**

That leads me to believe Cury Us may be working on a thought with regards to tattoos, but hasn't shared the reasoning with us yet.


Either that or Cury Us is looking for a place to get one for herself/himself.
:biggrin: [/*]

There has never been any tattoo places in Rantoul that I can remember but there are several in Champaign Mark of Cain and Vision World are the most popular I would start with them.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by ppkpdp05
Hey guys a little lost was reading back and where did the whole tattoo thing come from earlier? Is there some evidence that the POI or suspect had a tattoo?:shrug: [/*]

IMO, I find all of R A Nibbe's tattoos (both those mentioned and unmentioned) interesting with regard to content and possible references, meanings, and sources.
http://www.idoc.state.il.us/subsections/search/default.asp

Prison art is the most likely source and I may just be going down another rabbit hole but often tats and body piercing go hand-in-hand.
jmo

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
Heather has a tattoo of three red roses with a black stem on her left outer ankle. Jamie has a tribal design tattoo on the small of her back.

I know that pictures of either ryan or jeromy have been posted. I remember that one of them had tats all over them including tears.

Edit: Sorry that should have said Josh or Jeromy. I just realized how odd that is. Josh, Jeremy and Jamie..... [/*]


:shrug: Still doesn't make sense though has there been anything said about someone with tattoo's I know they all had tattoo's but what does that have to do with anything?:shrug: Maybe I'm not thinking clearly?

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

There's one person that we've been looking at that has a tear tattoo. This generally means that they've killed someone. Perhaps whoever gave him that particular tattoo knows the story behind it.

Also, who were the girls with when they got their tattoos? [/*]

Like I said in the past I new the Mullins girls pretty well and Heather and her sister have the same tattoo and went together to get it! I was close to Heather's sister Missy.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
Ok Here's the picture I was referring to earlier
http://i21.tinypic.com/sypb88.jpg

But... IIRC, PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong, he was in jail when Jamie disappeared. [/*]

I don't know about the jail part but I have never heard of this guy as being a POI in Heather's case.:shrug: Never even heard of him till Jamie disappeared, now that doesn't mean anything just thinking?

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by FocusFactor
Hi all.

Could the fight between Birch and Nibbe have been drug-related? After all, Ryan was fresh out of prison, the Birch house was known as a place to party, imo.

The most worrisome is the brother blabbing as to the involvement in Jamie's case... I do agree with the idea that the fight was about "keeping your mouth shut", but throwing out drugs as another cause for a brawl.


Now about Tattoos in Rantoul...
Breezy's. It is a house. The guy who runs it is supposedly an expert on tattoo history or something. He was on Public TV in an interview. If it seems important, I will look it up [/*]

Your right I do remember Breezy's in Rantoul it was right on the corner right off of RT 24 in town. It's been closed for a long time now it was a very run down place but like I said it has been closed for a very long time before I even got to high school.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by FocusFactor
Hi all.

<respectfully snipped>

Now about Tattoos in Rantoul...
Breezy's. It is a house. The guy who runs it is supposedly an expert on tattoo history or something. He was on Public TV in an interview. If it seems important, I will look it up [/*]

I got it thanks.
Sorry, didn't intend to derail the train or the conversation.
:seeya:

[KLM21665]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


I can take care of doing a website for Jamie if one is needed. Just let me know and I will get a domain name for her. I can also do a flier. [/*]

I know I've lonly posted on here one other time but I would like to help. We have amazing printers here at work and if someone can put together a flyer, I'm sure I can convince my employer to donate the copies.

I was also thinking that, especially for those of us that are local, start sending out links to the information on these two cases to people we know here in Central Illinois and ask them to share that information with their acquaintences in the area. Just an idea to get the information circulating here in the Champaign-Rantou-Paxton areas.

Obviously not an original idea but the more I read through these posts the more fired up I get. This could be any one of our daughters and it's nice to know that there are people like all of you out there willing to help. Thanks

[texasgal]

Wooooooo-freakin-Hoooooooooo! Jamie's got her own forum ... You guys ROCK!

[OldFart]

Wow.. . I had not realized that.. ::eek: I just came back to this thread...

You guys & gals rock.. !!!

[HarlettOhara]

I have the domain name for the website, it will be http://jamieharper.org I can create a flyer tomorrow and will put in a downloadable pdf file. That way if anyone in the area wants to they can have copies made and post them this weekend.


ETA.. the link works, but it goes straight to godaddy.com until the nameservers are changed...

[OldFart]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara
I have the domain name for the website, it will be http://jamieharper.org I can create a flyer tomorrow and will put in a downloadable pdf file. That way if anyone in the area wants to they can have copies made and post them this weekend.


ETA.. the link works, but it goes straight to godaddy.com until the nameservers are changed... [/*]

Great Work Harlett !!

[Aileron1980]

just so you all know there are flyers on EVERY business in Paxton right now I am not sure about anywhere else. Also I heard that billy had to be called back from lousiana so they could search the property. that is all I got for ya

[OldFart]

From the Champaign News-Gazette http://www.news-gazette.com

10/19/07 Agencies look for missing woman at Vermilion site
Agencies look for missing woman at Vermilion site
Published Online Oct 19, 2007
By Meg Thilmony

ARMSTRONG – Several law enforcement agencies searched a rural Vermilion County location Wednesday in connection with missing woman Jamie Harper.

Sgt. Jeff Wooten of the Rantoul Police Department said authorities searched a property for about eight hours where U.S. 136 and Illinois 49 run together.

"We've had some tips that there may have been evidence on that property detailing what may have happened to Jamie Harper," Wooten said. He declined to comment about whether authorities found any evidence, but said they did not find a body. Wooten would not say who owns the property.

Harper, 20, of Paxton was last seen at a party in Rantoul in the early morning hours of March 10. She was reported missing later that month. In the spring, Rantoul police searched fields north of Rantoul and in Dogtown, an area between Paxton and Rantoul.
Wooten would not say if the search at the property will continue.

About 25 officers and investigators from the Rantoul and Paxton police departments, Vermilion and Champaign County sheriff's offices, and the Illinois State Police assisted in the search, Wooten said. They also used dogs.

"It's not a huge piece of property but there are some nearby waterways," Wooten said. "A lot of areas were searched in that general vicinity."

Those include buildings on the land, which Wooten said consisted of about three-quarters of an acre, Wooten said. Police also searched roadside ditches, a wooded area and the banks of the Middle Fork River nearby.

Wooten said he doesn't expect to call in any outside search teams, such as Equu-Search. The Texas-based firm assisted in finding the remains of missing Naomi Arnette south of Sadorus earlier this fall.

"The areas that we've wanted to search or had any information that needed to be searched have been searched," Wooten said, "and done very thoroughly."

Paxton Police Chief Bob Bane confirmed that his department assisted Rantoul police Wednesday. Wooten said he's been working with the Federal Bureau of Investigation for the last few weeks on Harper's case and succeeded in getting the FBI to put her on its Web site.

For more information, go to www.FBI.gov and click on missing persons and kidnappings.
He said Harper's case is also expected to be featured at the end of the CBS show "Without a Trace" later this month.

Anyone with information about Harper can call Rantoul Police at 892-2103 or Ford County Crimestoppers at 784-4173. Crimestoppers is offering up to a $1,000 reward for information leading to an arrest.

Harper stands 5 feet tall, weighs about 130 pounds, has brown hair and eyes, has a tattoo on the small of her back and a nose ring in her left nostril. She was last seen wearing blue jeans, a white jacket, sandals and carrying a black handbag.

News-Gazette Staff Writer
Mary Schenk and Paxton Record editor Will Brumleve also contributed to this story.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by Aileron1980
just so you all know there are flyers on EVERY business in Paxton right now I am not sure about anywhere else. Also I heard that billy had to be called back from lousiana so they could search the property. that is all I got for ya [/*]

Thanks Aileron. :seeya:

[KLM21665]

I stopped at the Casey's in Paxton tonight on my way home and, unfortunately, they told me they had taken their flyer for Jamie down.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by KLM21665
I stopped at the Casey's in Paxton tonight on my way home and, unfortunately, they told me they had taken their flyer for Jamie down. [/*]

Did they give a reason as to why?

Do they not understand how important it is to keep her face out in the public eye?

I agree with CR. I would have had to whip out my broom!

[cleo612]

Yippee!! It looks like Coldwater gave Jamie her own forum!

Thanks, Coldwater!!

[KLM21665]

The two individuals working in there indicated that their "boss" had taken it down. Just as they were saying that, she pulled up in her vehicle and came inside. I didn't get in her face about it but did indicate that there were many people working to get the information about Jamie out and stirring up interested in the area. Anyway, just another business we'll need to make sure gets a flyer placed in it.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by KLM21665
The two individuals working in there indicated that their "boss" had taken it down. Just as they were saying that, she pulled up in her vehicle and came inside. I didn't get in her face about it but did indicate that there were many people working to get the information about Jamie out and stirring up interested in the area. Anyway, just another business we'll need to make sure gets a flyer placed in it. [/*]

I wonder how she would feel if it were her child, mother, sister, etc. that was missing?

[dearfriend]

Originally posted by PinkPony


I wonder how she would feel if it were her child, mother, sister, etc. that was missing? [/*]

Maybe her family needs looked into? Maybe she's related to one of the POI ??

[cleo612]

Originally posted by dearfriend


Maybe her family needs looked into? Maybe she's related to one of the POI ?? [/*]

I thought exactly the same thing when I read that post. It is certainly worth checking into--grande??

[KLM21665]

The strangest part of the conversation was when I asked where the gravel pits were located. She gave me the oddest look, very reluctant to tell me anything, almost guarded.

[KLM21665]

Originally posted by dearfriend


Maybe her family needs looked into? Maybe she's related to one of the POI ?? [/*]

That was my exact thought when I left there. The kids working the counter I believed called her Kim. That's all I know about her.

[cleo612]

Originally posted by KLM21665


That was my exact thought when I left there. The kids working the counter I believed called her Kim. That's all I know about her. [/*]

I would think with the name of the business, we could find out who the owner/proprietor of the business is and then go from there.

Sorry, just saw that it was a Casey's store I think they are required to have their business license posted somewhere visible in the store. That license would tell whose name is listed as the franchise owner.

[KLM21665]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
Just had another thought as far as publicity. There's a fleamarket once a month on the road between Gifford and Rantoul. Maybe someone could set up a booth there and put up a sign saying that a percentage of the proceeds will go to Jamie's funding.

Also, they have something going on there almost every weekend (horse shows and such) A few flyers posted around there might do some good.

http://www.gordyvilleusa.com [/*]

I think that's a great idea!

[ppkpdp05]

I can't get into Jamie's website can someone help me?

[KLM21665]

Good morning everyone. Just wanted to get the ball rolling here--my employer will donate 200-8.5 x 11 colored flyers and 50-11 x 14 color flyers. I wasn't sure how many we needed. I can print more smaller flyers if needed. Feel free to throw some numbers my way.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by ppkpdp05


Your right I do remember Breezy's in Rantoul it was right on the corner right off of RT 24 in town. It's been closed for a long time now it was a very run down place but like I said it has been closed for a very long time before I even got to high school. [/*]

sorry about this one I meant RT 45 in Rantoul

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by ppkpdp05
I can't get into Jamie's website can someone help me? [/*]

You can't get in yet because it's not there. I have the domain name and it's now on my server. I am working on the site, but it's not done and uploaded yet.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


You can't get in yet because it's not there. I have the domain name and it's now on my server. I am working on the site, but it's not done and uploaded yet. [/*]

Sorry about that HarlettOhara I can be an eager beaver at times!

[KLM21665]

Originally posted by grande


Morning KLM!

That's great news tell your employer I said thank you! I will print some as well and pass them out for distribution in the area. [/*]

If anyone needs flyers let me know and I will try to get some to you.

I'm not sure where everyone on here is located but I can work on Loda, Rankin, Hoopeston and possibly Rossville. I will stop in at the Casey's in Paxton and leave another flyer there also.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by KLM21665


If anyone needs flyers let me know and I will try to get some to you.

I'm not sure where everyone on here is located but I can work on Loda, Rankin, Hoopeston and possibly Rossville. I will stop in at the Casey's in Paxton and leave another flyer there also. [/*]


I live in Champaign would there be any use for some there?

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande


MORNING ALL! Welcome aboard the JUSTICE TRAIN.

Cleo, It's a stretch but I will take a look. Perhaps it would be more productive to just call the manager and regional supervisor and let them know how passionate we are about bringing Jamie home...

Anyone opposed to me creating a thread specifically for Jeromy Ramm? [/*]

Not at all Grande I really yhink he's the one we need to focus on! I think if we bring Jamie home we could possible bring Heather home as well and that would be so wonderful!!!

[KLM21665]

Originally posted by ppkpdp05



I live in Champaign would there be any use for some there? [/*]

I'm very new to all of this but IMO keeping the interest in this case going in the entire East Central Illinois would be advantageous.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by KLM21665


I'm very new to all of this but IMO keeping the interest in this case going in the entire East Central Illinois would be advantageous. [/*]

I would be more than happy to get some out in this area then and my Mom works in Rantoul she could possible get some up there like in the downtown area? She works for a lawyer right downtown Rantoul!

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande


Sounds great!

I will give $1000 to anyone that can provide information that will lead to an arrest/indictment. [/*]

That's extremely generous of you grande I think the families would be very grateful!!!!

[concrncitz]

I live in Tolono but would be willing to post there if you think it will help. These towns are so small that people from Tolono know people from Rantoul, Paxton, all over.

[HarlettOhara]

Here is a new flyer if anyone wants to download it and have some printed


http://www.jamieharper.org/jamieflyer.pdf

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
A list of Casey's General stores in the area with addresses and phone numbers.

http://direct.where2getit.com/cwc/apps/w2gi.php?sid=471ff5818e87c&client=caseys&template=locator&address=&city=&state=IL&postalcode=61866&submit=Find+Casey%27s [/*]

IIRC, Heather Zimmerman allegedly worked part-time as a clerk at the Casey's General Store in Gifford.
jmo

[ppkpdp05]

Grande have we done a search on him does anyone know where he is?

[Cury-us Coyote]

REMINDER - Expect brief national coverage for Jamie Harper at end of tonight's CBS episode of Without A Trace and hopefully more indepth profile exposure tomorrow morning on CBS The Early Show.

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/without_a_trace/missing_person/harper_jamie.shtml

He said Harper's case is also expected to be featured at the end of the CBS show "Without a Trace" later this month.

http://www.news-gazette.com/ngsearch/index.cfm?&page=displyStory.cfm&yearfolder=the07news&file=101907%5Fngstory%5F80993%2Etxt&search=Jamie%20Harper&theorder=asaphrase

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


It's great Harlett, but the year needs fixed ;) [/*]

well dang... it's fixed now :D

http://www.jamieharper.org/jamieflyer.pdf

also, Jami's website is up and running now. I will add some more things, but the basics are there and a flyer can also be downloaded from there.

http://jamieharper.org

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by HarlettOhara


well dang... it's fixed now :D

http://www.jamieharper.org/jamieflyer.pdf

also, Jami's website is up and running now. I will add some more things, but the basics are there and a flyer can also be downloaded from there.

http://jamieharper.org [/*]


It's wonderful HarlettOhara just wonderful!!! :D

[HarlettOhara]

Originally posted by grande


Harlett you are amazing thank you so much for all of your generosity, I know it is not cheap to finance all of the domain names and the bandwidth you are using to host all of those sites. Again, thank you so very much for everything you do. [/*]

Thank you ppk and grande..

It's my pleasure to be able to do a little something in an effort to help find these people. It takes an effort of a group of people to make the public aware that they are still missing and need to be found.

ETA... I need to find some music for the site.. if anyone has any suggestions please let me know.

[Illinois2007]

It seems like a lot or chatter is being had since the search done a week ago. I had a friend that lives in the area of Rantoul and had told me that Jamie and Jeromy had been penpals while he served his two year term. He had been in there since Oct of 2004. I dont know if this is possible. BUT, I think it might be important to know if anyone knows how long Jamie and Jeromy had been friends for since he was paroled in October or did she know him before he went to Prison? Hopefully with the website some girlfriends of hers will have information, girls always talk hope we can get some leads from there.

Also, does anyone know where Jeromy's ex-wife is?

Any finds found on Jeromy's mother?

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
I had to go to Rantoul earlier and on my way home, I saw something that made my stomach turn. I tried to search for the answer myself but got nowhere. You guys know how horrible publicity for ANYTHING is around here.

I remember there being a fire about 1-2 miles north of the garage on an abandoned lot. The fire department was called and everything. Now, this could have happened 5 months ago or could have happened 5 years ago. I have the most aweful memory.

I'm sure it's nothing. Probably some idiot throwing a ciggarette out the window, or just brush being burnt and it got out of control. But, if someone could possibly find out WHEN the fire dept. was called there..... :shrug: I dunno.

Map of fire location
http://i24.tinypic.com/2ahyx4g.jpg

Terraserver always hates me and puts extra pictures in the way so I cant get a screen shot of an aerial... but here's a link
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=16&X=2120&Y=22330&W=1&qs=%7carmstrong%7cil%7c [/*]

CR in IL
that makes my stomach turn as well just */c one of the rumors that I heard about Heather was that they had poured acid all over her and then set her on fire could be something but you never can tell?

[cleo612]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
I had to go to Rantoul earlier and on my way home, I saw something that made my stomach turn. I tried to search for the answer myself but got nowhere. You guys know how horrible publicity for ANYTHING is around here.

I remember there being a fire about 1-2 miles north of the garage on an abandoned lot. The fire department was called and everything. Now, this could have happened 5 months ago or could have happened 5 years ago. I have the most aweful memory.

I'm sure it's nothing. Probably some idiot throwing a ciggarette out the window, or just brush being burnt and it got out of control. But, if someone could possibly find out WHEN the fire dept. was called there..... :shrug: I dunno.

Map of fire location
http://i24.tinypic.com/2ahyx4g.jpg

Terraserver always hates me and puts extra pictures in the way so I cant get a screen shot of an aerial... but here's a link
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=16&X=2120&Y=22330&W=1&qs=%7carmstrong%7cil%7c [/*]

It would really be helpful if this information and subsequent responses could be posted on the new daily thread on this forum:
http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=316502

[KLM21665]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
I had to go to Rantoul earlier and on my way home, I saw something that made my stomach turn. I tried to search for the answer myself but got nowhere. You guys know how horrible publicity for ANYTHING is around here.

I remember there being a fire about 1-2 miles north of the garage on an abandoned lot. The fire department was called and everything. Now, this could have happened 5 months ago or could have happened 5 years ago. I have the most aweful memory.

I'm sure it's nothing. Probably some idiot throwing a ciggarette out the window, or just brush being burnt and it got out of control. But, if someone could possibly find out WHEN the fire dept. was called there..... I dunno.

Map of fire location
http://i24.tinypic.com/2ahyx4g.jpg

Terraserver always hates me and puts extra pictures in the way so I cant get a screen shot of an aerial... but here's a link
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/im...mstrong%7cil%7c [/*]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I found this map which gives a break down of the Fire Protection Districts. It looks like that area might be covered by Potomac FD, if not Potomac then possibly Rankin . . . I'm not sure.

http://local.yahoo.com/IL/Rankin/Government+Community/Fire+Protection

[OldFart]

Good Day People :seeya: Hi Ya
What do we call ourselves here ~~~ CTV'rs ??

Are we posting general things here or under the Oct 25 thread?
What the heck is a daily thread anyway?

Rankin Fire Protection Dist (217) 397-2220

Potomac ... fire http://www.villageofpotomac.org/fact%20sheet.html
Middlefork Fire & Ambulance Service
102 Logan PO Box 260
Potomac, IL 61865
217-987-6560

Both of these are Volunteer so who know where the phone rings.
But they should have records of fires and when etc.

If the fire site can be better identified... it would help too JMO.


Cederholm Why was this name brought up and who is a Kris Cederholm... Just wondering based up address of this person and last name.

[OldFart]

CR_in_IL

You might try using this link for a better map ~~ using Armstrong, Il as the place

www.maps.live.com

JMO

[OldFart]

Thanks CR....

I was just wondering...
I did notice that back in a 2001 TRAFFIC CASE LOOKUP CASE 01TR17971 home address was

CEDERHOLM KENNETH S
1333 LAUREL
RANTOUL 61866

And I'm still kinda stuck on Stupid for Josh Nibbe using a N Scott address in THOMASBORO in FEb. of 2007

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
ok... so??? are we suppose to stop posting there and only post here until a new thread is made??? I understand it's hard to find 1 post in a long thread, but won't it be harder to find 1 post within 20 threads?? *laughs* [/*]

Searches on key words can be targeted to this forum only which is helpful.
jmo

[OldFart]

Originally posted by FocusFactor
Ken Cederholm is on the suspects and theories thread.

As for where to post, post where you think it makes sense. If you think it is important, start a new thread, or post on a topic-related thread.

(hehehe not trying to be bossy, but it's my nature)
Thanks FF

How about a KRIS Cederholm..
I'll just keep posting here ... for the general stuff then.
Heck if we have a thread for each day... I'll be even more confused :confused:

Hey I just noticed ... It the bold function that messing the quote up and putting in the [/*] [/*]
:(

[OldFart]

Ok... I got a post lost in the Closing OH well :shrug:
I understand why... when a theard gets too L o n g... it can be a pain finding things in it.

What was I going to say ... Ummm ahhh shoot Durnit /Darn :punch:

Oh I think it was on pg 12 - 13 of the OLD Thread I did a map of some of the Known address's using the Scott address in Rantoul for Josh.. (Jamie was supposed to go there I think)
and if you add the address for a Kris Cederholm they are all still in a very close area... JMO

FocusFactor
where did you find the associatied person Info for Kris??? I would like to add that place to my small bag of tools ..TIA

BTW
Does anyone remember (or can find out ) what the weather was like in Rantoul March 9th 2007? Were the ponds frozen over? Was there Snow on the ground or piled up ... etc. ?
Just Wondering

[OldFart]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

LOL @ all 3 comments.

Yeah - it seems that way doesn't it?? [/*]

I think I found that the N. Scott addy was an appartment building
Using a tax record search...

[OldFart]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
Shoot ... I hope this doesn't post twice. It told me it couldn't connect. Anyways, I would like to know who Jamie left with on the night of the party. There's NO WAY that people don't have that information. Could that be why Ryan confronted Birch? (is Birch right?) Because HE knew who Jamie left with.

Also, as far as there being no N Scott St. in Thomasboro, it seems to me that that wouldn't be a clerical error. The zip codes aren't even almost the same. It's like he was giving his address and then realizing he was making a mistake, he changed the town really quick... IMO

CR

I called Thomasboro police & the person said we do not have a Scott Street... Whether they do OR not I do not know.. Heck it may be brand new in 2007... But Im thinking like you..
If I remember correctly it was eary April then one or two more addys during April Traffic stops ... Makes you wonder
and also wonder if LE.. picked up and checked this little thing out if nothing else add on -- for giving false info... (once the find him) ;)

[OldFart]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

It was on page 13. The address was 317 N Scott St Apt 3. Thomasboro 61878. The same address can be found in Rantoul.

Hayes, Ross O
317-3 N Scott St
Rantoul, IL 61866
(217) 892-8862

I wonder when Ross Moved in ... or Josh moved out ??

[Cury-us Coyote]

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KTIP/2007/3/9/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

apparently warm enough for sandals.
jmo

[OldFart]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KTIP/2007/3/9/DailyHistory.html?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

apparently warm enough for sandals.
jmo
Thanks Cury-us Coyote (BTW how do I abbreviate that Tag Name :shrug: or should I? )

Looks like most any outdoor activity would not have been a problem... weather wise :mad:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by OldFart

Thanks Cury-us Coyote (BTW how do I abbreviate that Tag Name :shrug: or should I? )

Looks like most any outdoor activity would not have been a problem... weather wise :mad: [/*]

I'll answer to anything, often when not asked ...... or desired.
:seeya:

[OldFart]

Originally posted by grande

WOW nice find on Kenneth Cederholm!

No idea on the N. Scott, I copied and pasted it as is.
:seeya: Grande...

Not sure what to make of some of these Addy... commonalities

People sharing / living with someone or just a hand me down place to live among friends... Which I have done before (well at least once)

But Josh listed THREE different home addresses in April of 2007
on the 1st, 17th and 23rd... :confused:

When did he go POOF..... Gone ?

[OldFart]

FWIW
Pertaining to Josh and Addy
4/17/2007 1313 BRIARCLIFF RANTOUL
I only found two hits on this Addy using http://www.whitepages.com
I have not seen the names and not being LOCAL ... I'm not going to post them...
BUT one does Match a name returned from the eight for the 317 N SCOTT address which he gave on April 1st.


4/23/2007 1140 N CENTURY APT 15 RANTOUL
No match on reverse addy look up but 1140 addys are listed as TRLR.... NOT APT
Maybe just a miss communication with LE

[OldFart]

CR..
Court records...:shrug: I've found Champaign and I think Ford or Vermilion County records ... so I'm just going on for the ride

I still say County jurisdiction may be a problem for us and LE
For us.. findinging Stuff .... for LE trying to figure out who they have to go thru to get things done.. (search warrants etc)
JMO of course

[OldFart]

CR

When it comes to Josh.. and the police reports I'm more or less http://tinyurl.com/28udkx Wondering the same thing
Gee I wish we could post PIC's (small Pics at that) :(
ANY ONE have a way or friend that can check IL lic. plate#s back to the owners ?? 908 7547 & 728 5691
They are amost most like Phone #'s ??

[OldFart]

Ok.. People...
I'm out of here for the night but I do more or less have a request or CALL OUT !!!

If you are in the Paxton / Rantoul area that post here or may just read here...

I' m 100+ miles from Rantoul.. Not that far.. but for somethings JUST too FAR to do somethings.

If there is a FAMILY member doing something to draw attention to Jamies case... or Someone that I have NOT Found for

- - Fund Raisers.. for a reward fund..
- - Media items /events that I can e-mail support to be covered...
- - A one day event to cover a town with flyers etc
-- A PR campaign to LE & News outlets for more action/coverage
-- Even a search (I will find something I can do)

Please let me / us KNOW !!

I will help anyway that I can. Call me one of the GRUNTS wanting to do something.. but need some direction.

FWIF If I was a local... I would make My own direction until someone stepped on my toes and said "Thank You but... "

I hope this makes since..
Yack at ya later

SeeeYaByeeeeeeee

P.S.
Grande... check your E-mail

[dearfriend]

CBS Early Show - tomorrow morning will have a segment on Jamie -- I don't know if you'll want a new thread for it or not.

[OldFart]

Originally posted by dearfriend
CBS Early Show - tomorrow morning will have a segment on Jamie -- I don't know if you'll want a new thread for it or not.

DearFriend

Thanks for the heads up...
If we can get a link to the broadcast / transcription it needs (JMO) to go some where for part of the record with the other media events that are documented in ... umm ahhh ..:confused: another thread that I know is here

Thanks again... do you have a time for the show ??? :embarrassed:

[dearfriend]

http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=9163

7am - 9am EST (I don't know what portion it would be shown on)

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by grande


The segment about Jamie may not air sorry to say. I spoke w/ someone @ CBS. Anyone know if the segment on without a trace aired? I believe that was up in the air as well, but haven't heard one way or the other... [/*]

Yes, the segment about Jamie aired during Without A Trace. It was about 9:40 p.m. It showed a brief glimpse of the area that was searched last along with Jamie's picture.
So, I would think they will air it in the a.m. jmo

[MayGirl15]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
Alright - someone's gotta explain this to me.
These are all cases from Josh..... the ones where he gives 3 different addresses all within 1 month.

Offense Date 4/1/2007
Count Description 01 OPERATE UNINSURED MTR VEHICLE
Address 317 N SCOTT APT 3 THOMASBORO IL 61878
Vehicle 2003 Blue Dodge Neon - Plate # 908 7547
Disposition EX PARTE - No appearance by Deft.

Offense Date 4/1/2007
Count Description 01 UNLICENSED
Address 317 N SCOTT APT 3 THOMASBORO IL 61878
Vehicle 2003 Blue Dodge Neon - Plate # 908 7547
Disposition EX PARTE - No appearance by Deft.

Offense Date 4/17/2007
Count Description 01 UNLICENSED
Address 1313 BRIARCLIFF RANTOUL IL 61866
Vehicle 2003 Blue Dodge Neon - Plate # 908 7547
Disposition EX PARTE - No appearance by Deft.

Offense Date 4/23/2007
Count Description 01 UNLICENSED
Address 1140 N CENTURY APT 15 RANTOUL IL 61866
Vehicle 2006 Grey Dodge Durango - Plate # 728 5691
Disposition EX PARTE - No appearance by Deft.

Now, if I'm reading this right, he was stopped and ticketed on 3 different occassions during a single month? When was he suppose to appear on each of these?

Anyone know when the Dodge was registered to him? PLEASE tell me it wasnt after April 1st. [/*]

I have said before, I know, but the Durango they drive IS NOT a 2006 body style...by the style of the body of the truck it has to be a 2003 or older! It is NOT a 2006! If anyone cares to know....

I dont know exactly when they got this truck but I am pretty sure I saw it around the time Ryan got outta jail...not 100% sure.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by PinkPony


Yes, the segment about Jamie aired during Without A Trace. It was about 9:40 p.m. It showed a brief glimpse of the area that was searched last along with Jamie's picture.
So, I would think they will air it in the a.m. jmo [/*]

I have had the CBS Early Show on since 7:30 and nothing has been said about Jamie.
So I checked their Web site and saw nothing about airing Jamie's disappearance.
I am really disappointed that CBS dropped the ball on this. jmo

[Aileron1980]

Did anyone watch with out a trace to see jamie and then it said that she would be featured on the morning show well damn it (excuse my french) but I got up to watch the morning show and Saw nothing did I miss it someone please tell me what you know about this!!!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by MayGirl15


I have said before, I know, but the Durango they drive IS NOT a 2006 body style...by the style of the body of the truck it has to be a 2003 or older! It is NOT a 2006! If anyone cares to know....

I dont know exactly when they got this truck but I am pretty sure I saw it around the time Ryan got outta jail...not 100% sure. [/*]

I appreciate the additional clarification. Thanks for the info.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by Aileron1980
Did anyone watch with out a trace to see jamie and then it said that she would be featured on the morning show well damn it (excuse my french) but I got up to watch the morning show and Saw nothing did I miss it someone please tell me what you know about this!!! [/*]

I don't know what happened Aileron.
Without A Trace did show Jamie's picture during their missing person's segment last night.
The Early Show did not do that segment this A.M.. Why? I don't know.

PP

[BRIN]

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1007/2201_jamie_harper1.html

Police Investigate Possible Lead in Disappearance of Jamie Harper

@all rights reserved

[BRIN]

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1007/2201_jamie_harper3.html

"I cannot give out names, but it is my understanding that the person of interest back then is the same person of interest in this [Jamie's] case... They [police] said they had a lot of similarities, they have a key person that they believe was involved in both cases, and the similarities in the cases are just that. They are very similar."

Interestingly enough, the person Jamie's family suspects as a person of interest in her disappearance was allegedly at the party the night she disappeared. The property searched last week also allegedly belongs to a relative of this person. In addition, this individual also has an alleged connection to Heather. According to a criminal charge from the 1990s, which was later dropped, the individual in question was arrested for an incident in which a person who was at one time very close to Heather was allegedly named as a co-defendant


@all rights reserved

[BRIN]

sorry if this has been posted before,just saw a crimelibrary link on the link thread

[Cury-us Coyote]

IMO, after seven months and nineteen days of not knowing, this family deserves answers, so let's keep digging and discussing possible scenarios. Someone holds the key piece(s) of information.
jmo

[Cury-us Coyote]

Regarding license plates starting with numbers vs letters. One can select different vehicles types and determine applicable rules at this site. Generally no profanity and must be a space between numbers and letters.
https://www.ilsos.gov/PickAPlateWeb/index1.html

[Cury-us Coyote]

Can I communicate with an inmate over the Internet?

No. Inmates are not permitted access to the Internet, nor can they have personal computers in their cells. Inmates may use computers if their educational program merits it.


How do I write/correspond with an inmate?
Inmates may receive mail at any time during their incarceration. Write an inmate as you would anyone else, but remember to put his inmate number in the proximity of his name on the envelope. Your letter to the inmate will be opened and searched for contraband. If contraband is found, we will ask the state’s attorney of your county to prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. We are not interested in what you write the inmate unless it contains plans for his escape or other illegal activity. Please do not decorate the envelope with stickers. We strictly enforce the prohibition of stickers since they may be used to introduce contraband materials. Any document received at a prison that has stickers attached will be returned.

http://www.idoc.state.il.us/subsections/faq/default.shtml#06

[Cury-us Coyote]

Regarding the cast of characters (WPB, KSC, BM, RAN, JJN, JLR, JS, MWZ) surrounding Heather & Jamie, does anyone know their work backgrounds - type of jobs, if any, or source of income? No specific employers please, only category of jobs such as drivers, sales, mgmt, farmer laborers, factory, mechanics, construction, food & beverage, etc. TIA

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Regarding the cast of characters (WPB, KSC, BM, RAN, JJN, JLR, JS, MWZ) surrounding Heather & Jamie, does anyone know their work backgrounds - type of jobs, if any, or source of income? No specific employers please, only category of jobs such as drivers, sales, mgmt, farmer laborers, factory, mechanics, construction, food & beverage, etc. TIA [/*]

As far as I know Mike Zimmerman was in the military last I heard but IDK if he was discharged after he went AWOL, IDK know how they handle that kind of thing. As for Jeromy and Kenny I don't think they have ever been able to hold a steady job and are more or less self employed if you know what I mean!

[cog1]

Hello everyone,
I've been out of pocket for a while. I am so happy to see how this is progressing! You people rock!! Keep up the good work. I just feel the perp will be in silver braclets soon.

Awesome job everyone and high 5's to all!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cury-us Coyote]

:rose: For the WCIA-3 reporter and Jamie's co-worker who provided renewed interest and gave Jamie a voice

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
:rose: For the WCIA-3 reporter and Jamie's co-worker who provided renewed interest and gave Jamie a voice [/*]

Was there something on the news that I missed, if there was when and what was said?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by ppkpdp05


Was there something on the news that I missed, if there was when and what was said? [/*]

Unfortunately, nothing new; refering to this article.
http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=8802

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Unfortunately, nothing new; refering to this article.
http://illinoishomepage.net/content/fulltext/?cid=8802 [/*]

I agree it's been awhile since I've seen anything on Jamie as well. Something different deffinalty needs to be done, */c what LE is doing now isn't enough!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by ppkpdp05


I agree it's been awhile since I've seen anything on Jamie as well. Something different deffinalty needs to be done, */c what LE is doing now isn't enough! [/*]

I may be in the minority on this forum but I am not yet ready to TOTALLY give up on LE. IMO having several different agencies involved is very positive. Mathematically, the odds of all agencies being lazy or corrupt are extremely low. Regarding the overlap of authority and responsibilities, IMO that is normal and those involved usually know the proper chain of command. Most states have city, county, state, and federal LE agencies with specialized skills and resources. Smaller agencies may seldom, if ever, have the lead investigative role for serious and very public crimes. Small LE agencies often lack experienced information officers who are comfortable in front of cameras. On the other hand, one or more incompetent LE officers or an elected leader remains possible. Most residents want very much to believe they are both served and protected.

I am unconvinced that the one-and-only stimulus for renewed news coverage and the physical search was the Arnette case.

All the above is just my current opinion.

[texasgal]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
< snip >I am unconvinced that the one-and-only stimulus for renewed news coverage and the physical search was the Arnette case. < snip >[/*]

I'm NOT as "unconvinced" as you .. ;)

I think it has almost EVERYTHING to do with it.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


I may be in the minority on this forum but I am not yet ready to TOTALLY give up on LE. IMO having several different agencies involved is very positive. Mathematically, the odds of all agencies being lazy or corrupt are extremely low. Regarding the overlap of authority and responsibilities, IMO that is normal and those involved usually know the proper chain of command. Most states have city, county, state, and federal LE agencies with specialized skills and resources. Smaller agencies may seldom, if ever, have the lead investigative role for serious and very public crimes. Small LE agencies often lack experienced information officers who are comfortable in front of cameras. On the other hand, one or more incompetent LE officers or an elected leader remains possible. Most residents want very much to believe they are both served and protected.

I am unconvinced that the one-and-only stimulus for renewed news coverage and the physical search was the Arnette case.

All the above is just my current opinion. [/*]

I don't think that they are being lazy I just think that not enough is being done and if the POI is the same in Heather and Jamie's case who's to say he won't do it again when he gets out of jail. I just think that maybe LE hasn't covered everything that they should have!

[ppkpdp05]

Good Morning all! :seeya:

Any new news on Jamie? And what a relief for the Haigh family again another family that will hopefully see justice!

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande


Jamie's family members have been trying to convince Jamie's mother to contact TES. Probably a very difficult decision for her to make given LE's stance on TES' involvement. I support Susie in whatever decision she makes as I certainly wouldn't want to have to make a similar decision. [/*]

I don't understand what the problem is for local LE and TES being involved? Can someone explain that to me?:shrug:

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande


My guess is they are in the process of working their leads and don't want to tip off a potential witness/suspect.

I agree with Cury us Coyote in that I don't think we are giving LE enough credit. There are many things going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of, imo. At this point I think the best thing we can do is continue to attempt to create awareness and make certain Jamie's family knows that we support their decisions regardless of how we feel. [/*]

I think maybe I'm being misunderstood a little, let me explain myself. I know that LE is probally doing whatever they can to find Jamie my concern is why wouldn't they at this point ask for help if they think that someone like TES could come in and help. I believe that they are using all the resources they have here but what is the problem with using an outside resource if they can. It's been who many months and still no real leads and when it comes to Heather it's been 10 years and if it's true that they suspect the same person why wouldn't they use all the resources they can to find Jamie and then maybe find Heather too! That's all I'm saying!

[Cury-us Coyote]

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=316960

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
I am SURE that this is me being paranoid again. But what are your thoughts on a cooler in water? The water is exactly 1 mile west of route 49 on 136. There are 2 bridges within 1 1/2 miles. This is the one closest to route 49.

This is apparently what I saw the other day that I thought was a person. It wasn't there on the way home and is now back. I saw it less than an hour ago. [/*]

Are you describing a picnic cooler or a larger walk-in or reach-in refrigeration unit that would be used in a home or restaurant/bar? TIA

[Cury-us Coyote]

I am still ‘hung up’ on the hunter angle, using all possible eyes and their accompanying four-legged friends to find evidence or something that appears out-of-place. Out-of-town hunters visiting the area have to eat in restaurants, stay in motels, buy gas, hunting supplies, munchies, etc. If the hunters see posters/fliers they may pay closer attention to something that would otherwise be overlooked.
jmo

Am I correct harvest is over? TIA

[cleo612]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
I just wish I were brave enough to go look. I KNOW it's just someone's garbage...... [/*]

I think I would be calling LE to go take a look at it. As you mentioned in an earlier post, you don't want to do anything that might affect any potential evidence.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Are the railroad tracks near the abandoned garage an Amtrak spur or are the tracks no longer used and just remain as an easement thru landowner’s property? TIA
Just a curiosity question (no deeper meaning or subtlety intended).

http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Amtrak/am2Station/Station_Page&code=RTL

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

I'm drawing a blank with all the maps I've looked at recently. IIRC, Ramms' house was between Rantoul and Gifford. This is further east.

I was hoping that maybe with the property records ya'll have, maybe someone could find out. Also, in the area of this cooler, there are a couple "stay out" places. There's a tower (like a cell phone tower) and then something else there. Maybe a power station (really don't know) And then that wooded area is posted as no tresspassing because of something about shooting. I need to buy a notepad and start writing these things down!! [/*]

Usually if the cell phone tower is on someones prperty they are being paid for that tower to be on their property can we look up cell phone tower records at all? Did that make sense?

[cog1]

Originally posted by grande


If it weren't so far away I would go trick or treating in that neighborhood with my LE costume on... [/*]

Just be sure you have back up!! LOL

[cog1]

Originally posted by grande


I believe this is where the Ramm residence is;

http://i18.tinypic.com/6atdg14.jpg
http://i5.tinypic.com/624oght.jpg

In relation to Rantoul and the search site;
http://i16.tinypic.com/53jof82.jpg

Wonder if they will be handing out candy for Halloween tomorrow... ? [/*]

IF I am looking at these maps correctly, the cooler is relatively close to the Ramm house. Could be someone just pitched it out or it could contain some clues. IMHO these guys ain't all that smart. Maybe someone doesn't realize this cooler has surfaced. Has anyone in the area decided to call? CR in IL do you feel comfortable enough giving info to LE without disclosing your information?

Once again, I think you all may be on to something. It sures seems worthy of checking out. Nothing to loose and everything to gain. IMO

[cog1]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

It's not within 5 miles of Ramms' house, but IS within 2 miles of Ramms' garage. And it's on the way between Rantoul (last known location of Jamie) and the garage.

I DONT feel comfortable calling. Not in the least bit!!! But I do wish someone else would call..... *sigh* [/*]

I've never dealt with LE but surely someone who has the experience is around huh?

If not can someone throw me the number and I will give it a shot. I am not convinced they would understand what I was telling them ya know?

[cog1]

I have to run but I will check back in as soon as I can. I think I got the 49 connection CR in IL from your ealier posts.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by grande
WOW. Look just South West of the red star (Ramm residence) in this image; http://i16.tinypic.com/6g8qf0k.jpg

More gravel pits?

Gotta run, bbl. [/*]

No BIG deal but do you eat with your east or west hand? LOL

[KLM21665]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
I am still ‘hung up’ on the hunter angle, using all possible eyes and their accompanying four-legged friends to find evidence or something that appears out-of-place. Out-of-town hunters visiting the area have to eat in restaurants, stay in motels, buy gas, hunting supplies, munchies, etc. If the hunters see posters/fliers they may pay closer attention to something that would otherwise be overlooked.
jmo

Am I correct harvest is over? TIA [/*]

FYI - I put fliers out to most of the businesses along Route 1 and Route 9 in Hoopeston on Friday, some in Cissna Park, Loda Quick Stop and I dropped another one off at the Paxton Casey's but haven't been back in to see if they put it up. I still need to stop off in Rankin at the Casey's and the two bars there. Possibly tomorrow afternoon.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by KLM21665


FYI - I put fliers out to most of the businesses along Route 1 and Route 9 in Hoopeston on Friday, some in Cissna Park, Loda Quick Stop and I dropped another one off at the Paxton Casey's but haven't been back in to see if they put it up. I still need to stop off in Rankin at the Casey's and the two bars there. Possibly tomorrow afternoon. [/*]

Thank You. The 'lil engine that could is gathering momentum.
jmo

[KLM21665]

IMO Ogden might be a good place to make sure flyers are distributed. Odgen is the last stop before heading north on Route 49 until you get to Rankin. Is anyone close to Ogden?

[HarlettOhara]

I posted this in a different thread, but I will post it here too..

http://helpfindthemissing.org has a new look to it. I have added a slideshow.

[HarlettOhara]

Thanks FF.... it's very strange about the 2 girls.. they live about 1/2 hour from me.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande
Harlett,

Thank you for your efforts the site is wonderful!

Morning all! [/*]

Morning all :seeya:
Any news on Jamie Grande did you e-mail LE about the cooler?

[Aileron1980]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

I'm drawing a blank with all the maps I've looked at recently. IIRC, Ramms' house was between Rantoul and Gifford. This is further east.

I was hoping that maybe with the property records ya'll have, maybe someone could find out. Also, in the area of this cooler, there are a couple "stay out" places. There's a tower (like a cell phone tower) and then something else there. Maybe a power station (really don't know) And then that wooded area is posted as no tresspassing because of something about shooting. I need to buy a notepad and start writing these things down!! [/*]

Ramms house is in a town called Dillsburg it is probably the second house before the end of town. Also the gravel pit is probably about 2 blocks from his house basically it is the next road and turn south off 136 and the gravel pit is on the left and yes it is still active. There are alot of cars on the property there too. It is just a few blocks from bell helmets too. I hope that helps ya all. . I cant think who the people are that own the other property off the top of my head but I know its NOT ramm's

[Aileron1980]

I just wanted to say HAPPY HALLOWEEN have fun trick or treating and BE SAFE EVERYONE see ya all tom.

[cog1]

Good afternoon everyone!

I have had a lot on my plate lately and had no time to spare yesterday afternoon/evening. I am so grateful to Grande for posting LE on the cooler. Keeping fingers crossed they get over and check it out before is dissapears.

Happy Halloween to All.

[cog1]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

Yes, thank you Grande. I, too, hope it's still there. The first day I saw it, it wasn't there on the way home. I don't know if it floated off and then came back or what. But..... I hope they take the time to look. Even if it's absolutely nothing of intrest. [/*]

Yes it is better to check it out. I feel certain they will. I just want it done so one way or the other they know if it has any connection. Good job CR in IL for locating that cooler. Who knows, it may contain clues to solving this case or others. If nothing else, they (LE) know that peeps are looking and care about Jamie.

[cleo612]

Originally posted by grande


I wouldn't hold my breathe for any results based on a single email. Also, most if not all PD's and SO's have software that filters all of their email. I know for a fact it will take 24 hour for my email to reach the desired inbox @ the Champaign County SO.

I will call Friday and check on the status of it, in the meantime let's move on and see what more we can uncover.

I was looking at the images you took of the abandoned garage that was searched, this one in particular > http://i5.tinypic.com/4vi5n9z.jpg

I cropped what appears to be the outline of a business name here > http://i6.tinypic.com/4qfxxr6.jpg

And then attempted to enhance it > http://i12.tinypic.com/4loul9x.jpg

Any chance you can make out the name?

Is Poke's Place still on the corner of 136 & 49 there just South EAST of the abandoned garage? [/*]

grande, it says "Mobil Services."

[HarlettOhara]

http://helpfindthemissing.org

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande
So I am told this 'JD' that has been running his mouth about his brother's involvement in Jamie's disappearance IS A NIBBE and has a brother named JOSH!

I have felt for some time that Josh knows very well what happened to Jamie among others, JMO.

Let's bust some ball$ this month people! [/*]

Grande if it is a Nibbe and I don't know the Nibbe's nor have I ever heard of them does that mean that the thoery of the same POI is out the door or are Jeromy and the Nibbe's linked somehow are they friends? Sorry that may have already been posted I don't remember but I really think that Jeromy had everything to do with Heather's disappeance and just wondering if the Nibbe's are involved when and if him and Jeromy are friends or conected somehow?

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande


Josh Nibbe & Jeromy Ramm are associates and were both at the party. Josh was Jamie's boyfriend at the time. There is some related information in the suspects / theories thread. [/*]

Thanks:seeya:

[ppkpdp05]

OK my next question is how old are the Nibbe's and how long have they lived in the area? And where in the area?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by ppkpdp05
OK my next question is how old are the Nibbe's and how long have they lived in the area? And where in the area? [/*]

JJN 03/31/86
RAN 07/13/79
https://secure.jtsmith.com/clerk/7d3jawq1ag36.asp

Maybe the Justice Train will be making brief layovers in those D-towns like Danville and Decatur.
jmo

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


JJN 03/31/86
RAN 07/13/79
https://secure.jtsmith.com/clerk/7d3jawq1ag36.asp

Maybe the Justice Train will be making brief layovers in those D-towns like Danville and Decatur.
jmo [/*]

That would be great the Nibbe's are a bit younger than Jeromy how old is Ward Birch? It just seems to me that the Nibbe's are a dead end! JMO!

[cog1]

Originally posted by PinkPony


Go ahead and throw it out there. You never know it might not be that far from the truth. [/*]
________________________________________

CR in LR - Okay - here's my thought from earlier on. Does anyone know if there's a connection with Robert Ramm? And more importantly, could someone find his correct address. The only one I come up with is found on judici.com and it's incorrect.

But, being familiar with the rural addresses in the area, I configured it to match what I assumed it to be. It comes up as an area very close (within 3000 feet) to an old RV park. The acreage has an abandoned house, outbuildings and until a few months ago, it had water. IIRC they've bulldozed alot of the property (buildings are still standing) and pushed the dirt into what was sort of a pond.





Grande and Cr in IL,
I seem to remember right after Robert was arrested for Naomi's death that someone told Grande that Robert and his brothers had told stories of killing someone and burying their remains. I do not remember if the story was that this had taken place on a property that the family resided at earlier in life or if it was an assumption that this was where it could have taken place.

Anyway, after trying to catch up on posts I ran across this description of property by CR in IL and it seems that it could very well match an area that a murder such as that could have happened.

I vagually remember someone (?) saying that the supposed property might have been at one time or turned into apts. This may or may not be correct. Maybe the person had facts crossed.

Anyway, that info above just really grabbed my attention. I am very interested to hear what others think.

[Cury-us Coyote]

This link shows various views of exterior and interior of 2003 Dodge Neon.
http://www.getauto.com/vehicledetail/adid-9507468/?source=gbase

[cog1]

Thanks Grande I knew you would have that info!

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by grande


I absolutely disagree with regards to the Nibbe's specifically Josh, Jamie's boyfriend at the time of her disappearance. There are some inconsistencies in his story of what he did following the party. Secondly, I don't think it is coincidence that Ryan was charged with assault on the alleged party host Ward Birch only 4 days after his parole.

Ryan and Josh Nibbe are both fugitives from justice. In Josh's case, his charges are minor. I don't believe the charges justify his flight from justice. I believe he is hiding something else, jmo. [/*]

I never thought of it that way Thanks Grande you are good at thinking outside the box! If the Nibbe's are involved do you still think that Jeromy had something to do with it?

[OldFart]

I updated my map on Josh Nibbe and address given etc.
http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/Jamie/?action=view&current=Josh_addys2.jpg

Kris Cederholm is a big ? to me... but I think realated some way to Ken Cederholm and the proximity to the North Scott Address is just strange to me.

JMO
But Josh was moving a lot in Feb. 2007 or just not telling the police the truth during his traffic stops.


I do not know if it is possible or legal...BUT if it it is ~~~ I hope LE tracked the cell phones of everone that was at the party for a few days following the party!!

Gravel Pits.... does anyone know if any of them have a boat of any type on it? Just wondering

OH...and I wrote this stuff down from the court records

Birch, Ward P --------------DOB 03/28/64
Cederholm, Kenneth S-------DOB 11/20/75
Ramm Jeromy---------------DOB 05/26/76
NIbbe, Ryan----------------DOB 07/13/79
Nibbe, Josh-----------------DOB 03/31/86

and of course Jamie's November 29, 1986

SeeYa Later
:seeya:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Plate Number: FLRGRL 7
Plate Number: DJJHWN 5

If these are personalized Illinois license plates, what do they mean? TIA

From RAN Case # 02TR19522 and JEN Case # 01TR15346 at the Champaign County Clerk of Circuit Court site at https://secure.jtsmith.com/clerk/7d3jawq1ag36.asp d

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

I'd say that's Flower Girl 7

ETA: Wait, maybe not. LOL Not a very manly plate. [/*]

Maybe we should not assume the driver of the vehicle also owns the vehicle?
:shrug:

[cog1]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


Maybe we should not assume the driver of the vehicle also owns the vehicle?
:shrug: [/*]

That is what I was thinking. He probably "borrowed" the car. As for the other plate. I wonder if it is initials of some sort. Combo of Nibbs? :shrug:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by cog1


That is what I was thinking. He probably "borrowed" the car. As for the other plate. I wonder if it is initials of some sort. Combo of Nibbs? :shrug: [/*]

IF divided into two groups of three letters (first, middle, and last) the second set exists but then what is the first subset and what about the numbers? If vanity plates cost extra, IMO the criteria should include 1) easy to remember and 2) obvious order? TIA

[cleo612]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


IF divided into two groups of three letters (first, middle, and last) the second set exists but then what is the first subset and what about the numbers? If vanity plates cost extra, IMO the criteria should include 1) easy to remember and 2) obvious order? TIA [/*]

What are Josh's parents' first names, as well as his siblings' first names? This could be the initials with "N" for Nibbe at the end.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

Yes - good point So here are my votes on plates
FLRGRL 7 - Flower Girl 7
DJJHWN 5 - N at the end means Nibbe. The first 5 letters are first initials. 5 meaning there's 5 of them. [/*]

IMO, Flower Girl is the most obvious assumption. Who desires that personalized plate? Someone whose young daughter was recently in a wedding ..... seems temporary? Someone who owns seven florist shops or one florist shop and born in July? Someone who won seven blue ribbons for their prize roses or orchids at the county fair? Someone with a huge flower garden? Who?

Or are there more masculine options?
:shrug:

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote


IF divided into two groups of three letters (first, middle, and last) the second set exists but then what is the first subset and what about the numbers? If vanity plates cost extra, IMO the criteria should include 1) easy to remember and 2) obvious order? TIA [/*]


Those are vanity plates and whoever's plates they are probally picked what they say but those plates don't cost extra */c there's a number in the plate.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
I'm in need of a picture link that's been posted here already. The picture of the Dodge (not the Neon) I'm having a major fit of paranoia right now, need that picture or another description of year and everything, and cannot find it. TYVMIA [/*]

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=10766959&highlight=2006+Dodge#post10766959

[Marlee]

Hi CR -- You have a PM!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
Another missing woman in Illinois - LE's wife.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/02/officers.wife.ap/index.html [/*]

Fox News GVS OTR broadcast live last night from IL. A brief mention of Jamie would be appreciated. IMO, all families need an end to the uncertainity.
jmo

[OldFart]

Just thought I would save this here. Birtdates for some names that have come up

Birch, Ward P --------------DOB 03/28/64
Cederholm, Kenneth S-------DOB 11/20/75
Ramm Jeromy---------------DOB 05/26/76
Nibbe, Ryan----------------DOB 07/13/79
Nibbe, Josh-----------------DOB 03/31/86

[OldFart]

CR
I think the jusrisdiction issue will (or has) played a part in this.
At least Three counties involved... Which I thinks means, three differnet court systems for warrants ect. If I am wrong ... someone please let me know...

Thee agencies doing there thing... but is anyone in charge.
What about CrimeStopper's... Which county would someone call to leave a tip. and which one is being advertised?
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr :mad:

[OldFart]

I hope this works and the Map is correct
http://s30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/OldF/Jamie/?action=view&current=cooler.jpg

If NOT CR can Holler at me....

[OldFart]

I found where William Ramm D JR
also ownes property at 1341 Sunset, Rantoul in addition to the 1979 COUNTY ROAD 3000 N property

Not that it means a thing... :no:
but this is within a few blocks of the Cederholm property.
SeeYa:seeya:

[OldFart]

Just testing something to see if it works
http://maps.live.com/?v=2&cid=C6F35A68FDFA0844!135&encType=1

This link should take you Maps Live and let you pan / scroll / zoom etc. The push pins should show up too (unless you close that box).

If you have an MS live account (Hotmail) you can sign in add more push pins and save your own copy (which then can be shared) or at least I think so :shrug:

To me it works from preview but it wants to mess up the URL link :mad: and you have to tweak it
SeeeYaaa

[Caldeb]

Originally posted by OldFart
I found where William Ramm D JR
also ownes property at 1341 Sunset, Rantoul in addition to the 1979 COUNTY ROAD 3000 N property

Not that it means a thing... :no:
but this is within a few blocks of the Cederholm property.
SeeYa:seeya: [/*]
It works!

[OldFart]

Originally posted by FocusFactor
TY OF for the link to a cool tool. I like maps :)

Yep, it works.

Thanks CalDeb and FF

It might come in handy if I / we can figure out how to use it...

I like maps too... They can give a better grasp on where things are occuring.. and the Pan / Zoom helps. If anyone wants to post a new / updated link... just double check the URL.. problem

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

Yes, you're right. As long as you get those plates when you first register the car, there's no extra charge. [/*]

Not always true I went in to renew my plate sticker one Year and the lady asked me if I wanted vanity plates I said sure as long as it doesn't cost anything, she said no as long as there's a number in it. So you can have vanity plates if you want to chane them even there is no charge for vanity plates with a number in them no matter when you get them. If thats not true then the lady at the DMV messed up.

[Marlee]

Do those vanity license plates belong to people mentioned in this case?

Sorry if it was posted already and I missed it.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Tales of missing, slain women stirring up fears
Investigators must make their disappearances a priority too

A recent five-part series by Chicago Sun-Times reporter Maudlyne Ihejirika revealed that a shocking 20,000 people disappear in Chicago each year. Although most missing persons are found, Ihejirika's series detailed the pain, frustration and unending grief that families of the missing endure while awaiting answers.
...
More often than not, however, it turns out the missing woman was killed by someone with whom she had a personal relationship.

But as Ihejirika pointed out in her series, only children under 10, the elderly and those deemed endangered, such as the handicapped, get priority when it comes to police searches for the missing.

It's time to reconsider that policy.

Given the number of missing women who turn up dead, advocacy groups should immediately pressure police to make their cases a priority, including missing teenage girls who have no history of running away.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/634171,CST-NWS-mitch04.article

[Cury-us Coyote]

Texas group to help in Peterson search

Tim Miller, founder and director Texas EquuSearch said Monday in Bolingbrook that he has been in contact with the Illinois State Police, who are handling the investigation.

When asked what his group could add, he said, "We know this much: If nothing is done, there's zero chance of locating her."

"We have a lot of resources. We are here. We are ready to get started."
...
They now employ helicopters, all-terrain vehicles, drone aircraft, sonar and other high-technology tools, but people on horseback are still utilized. "There are a lot of places a horse can go that even an ATV can't," Wisdom said. The group has opened cases on more than 800 missing people. It has found 300 and the remains of 76 others, Wisdom said.

"The idea is to bring home missing persons, dead or alive," she said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson_searchnov05,0,1553669.story?coll=chi-900siteindex-fea

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

Warning: I might go on a rampage right here. Everything from here on out is IMO and based on IIRC and IIR the rumor correctly.
<rant respectfully snipped to focus upon party>

This next statement is not meant to say women are more kind hearted or anything like that but .... Jamie surely wasn't the only girl at the party. If she had died, wouldn't one of her girlfriends call 911? Or after it was all over, wouldn't they go and tell someone?
<snipped>

How many people were at the party when Jamie left? Was no one talking to her? Was she sitting in a corner by herself and not being social, then just slipped away into the dark? Did she crawl out the bathroom window and no one saw her go?
<snipped again>

[/*]

IMO, party guest lists would likely contain both male and female attendees. Were any polygraphs requested and/or submitted to with regards to either Jamie's or Heather's disappearance? TIA

[Cury-us Coyote]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftyrvnh5Z-k

[OldFart]

Off Topic I know... but Please spread the word

TES is planning a search TUESDAY NOV 6 2007

The command center for the EquuSearch team will be the Westbrook Christian Church at 1175 Lily Cache Lane in Bolingbrook. All search volunteers for tomorrow need to be there at 8:00 a.m. tomorrow

Ok this info is coming from Scared Monkeys
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?...8;boardseen#new

And I have a Friend from OH.. head there right now..

[cleo612]

Originally posted by grande


I know of three brothers;

Ryan, Josh & 'JD'.

Good to see you Cleo. [/*]

Nice to see you as well, grande. I have been reading everyday, just got caught up in the Stacy Peterson case.

BTW, I sent you a pm a couple days ago.

[cog1]

Any new info from LE or anyone re: the cooler?

Hello everyone! :)

[OldFart]

Originally posted by grande
Evening all...

Some of Jamie's other family members have been showcasing TES' services to Jamie's mother hoping that she would make an official request.

Apologies for the lack of participation, I have been busy trying to generate some extra income for the holidays. [/*]
:seeya: Grande

Do you know if a separate Reward fund (not crime Stoppers) has been set up?

Someone has to know something and may need more than $1,000 to get out of town.. JMO of course

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by grande

Offense Date 10/19/2004
Count Description AGG BATTERY/PUBLIC PLACE
Docket Entries Deft. Is ordered to HAVE NO CONTACT whatsoever, directly or indirectly with Amastasia Ramm or the residence of 1341 Sunset, Rantoul, IL.
Disposition Guilty - 2 years IDOC

Offense Date 12/26/2006
Count Description BURGLARY
Disposition 5 YRS DOC W/70 DAYS CREDIT, $27933.64 RESTITUTION

<numerous offenses snipped for bandwith> [/*]

Jeromy Ramm custody Date (IDOC - Pontiac, IL medium security prison) : 08/23/2007

PROJECTED PAROLE DATE: 12/12/2009

DO YOU WANT HIM BACK OUT ON THE STREETS OF RANTOUL ILLINOIS ???? [/*]

Projected parole date - just in time for the holidays. Could JR be the gift that keeps on giving or the converse? Any clues whose residence was burglarized to the tune of $28K? TIA
jmo

[OldFart]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

IIRC Grande also offered $1000 awhile back.
CR
I hope this makes since:

I feel that more $ for a reward may help poeple come forward.
At the same time that means someone has to handle any and all possilbe leads. Tips must go thru some LE organization like Crime Stoppers NOT a family member. BUT which County... or does it matter which one?

I am also conviced that locals would be more than willing to contriubte to itas well as mabe some major contibutors. Do donations have to be cash or can they be promissory type notes?

But there are issues too.
- How long is the reward fund good for?
- What happens to cash the funds collected if NO tip leads to the resolution?
- Who decides how much gets paid for what information?
- Can donations be used as a TAX deduction.. (it might make a difference)
- Can any of the funds be used for search efforts
ETC.

I have some $ that I'm ready to put towards a reward fund and challenge that they be matched by local area people. Hell I'm 100 miles away so a challenge seems appropiate to me. But as far as I know there is nothing in place to allow this to happen.

If Grande has $1,000 and it was matched ~ that is double what Crime Stoppers in any of the local counties is offering.

Does anyone have local media contacts that might want to do a story on this ... maybe get a local atty. and bank involved along with LE in setting a reward fund up?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
I'd never heard of TES before coming to this board. I was wondering if they'd even consider searching for Jamie since it's been so long since she went missing. [/*]

Regarding your question if TES might be reluctant to search for Jamie and Heather based upon the length of time missing, TES website reports the Stacey Hazelton search was 3 years after her disappearance, the Ted Boyette & Denise Sawyer search occurred almost 6 years after their disappearance, and the founder’s daughter was not located until missing for 17 months.
http://www.texasequusearch.org/index.html

IMO, TES would search; they are very committed, caring people. Perhaps the evidentiary value deceases due to time; finding the victim appears to be TES’s first priority followed closely by NOT destroying evidence that could lead to a conviction. For many who follow missing-persons cases, TES has developed a respected reputation, therefore IMO news networks pursue TES activities closely and report their efforts. Conversely, TES is NOT the only qualified and dedicated Search and Rescue group, others just have lower profiles. Unfortunately, IMO SAR groups are not always successful 100% of the time. Personally, I admire TES’s organization skills, state-of-art equipment, commitment to the search, integrity in support of families and LE agencies involved, and apparent follow-up after the reporters depart.
jmho

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

TYVM - Completely answered my question and gave some good insight on the team. Much appreciated!! [/*]

YW, although my answer wasn't totally complete. TES would search if the family requested assistance, but maybe not with the greatest urgency. IMO, previous commitments to other searches, a missing child, or a missing elderly adult with health issues would take precedence. jmo

Any new rumors about evidence removed from the abandoned garage? TIA

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by FocusFactor


Geez. And we have no way of knowing if they've ignored the tip or checked it out.

I'd really be tempted to take a little hike if I lived around there.
Just sayin. [/*]

I'm right there with you FF.
If I didn't think LE checked it out I would probably do it myself.

That's probably why I'm always in trouble.LOL

[OldFart]

Ok.. I'v been gone for a bit... was in Bolingbrook and Chicago.

But has anything been happening??

[OldFart]

I'v been looking for a news item where LE said they could not search a gravel pit becuase it was too deep.
Can anone provide a link to it...
Thanks

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by OldFart
I'v been looking for a news item where LE said they could not search a gravel pit becuase it was too deep.
Can anone provide a link to it...
Thanks [/*]

Hey OF

The Crime Library article by David Lohr is where you will find that information.

PP:seeya:

[puppies]

JAMIE

:rose:

[iluvmua]

if anybody is interested there is a website for Jamie....

www.jamieharper.org

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
A team (or at least their equipment) as been called in from St. Louis to help with the search for Stacy Peterson. The article I read says that this team specializes in water searches. I wonder if they would help search the pits.

I also remember reading that they were all set and ready to drain the pits when Zimmerman went missing. Not sure if they said one pit or all in question. The article said that they had everything set up, including all of the funding. They, for some reason, decided to wait on the project and then it never happened. Why is that? And what happened to that funding? I'm sure it was quite a large amount of money. Perhaps it could still be put to good use. [/*]

Yes, a team from St Louis County Minnesota -
http://www.northlandsnewscenter.com/news/local/11252616.html

[OldFart]

Ok...
I'v been absent for a bit... but What happend to Jamie's Justice train? I want to find a way to stoke the boiler or at least buy a ticket... !!

Hey I'm just an OldFart wondering what I could have done for others and what I can do now. I'm not reallly a religious person but I do find that Natalie Grant's music... http://www.nataliegrant.com/# does motivate me to do things. ( clikc on " Juke Box")
Esp... "Awaken Me" which to me has to do with waking up and taking some action no matter what your inspiration is.

And which CTV will not allow the link to... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=*6JCt4Dzlv8
The * in the link shoud be a a cap... bee
BTW these are all the 2nd letter of the alphabet * * as single letters.. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :cuss:
JMO of course

[ppkpdp05]

Hey everyone Ryan Nibbe was arrested today on aggrivated sexual assult charges! The girl they say was 13 yrs old. Wonder if anything else will come out?

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by ppkpdp05
Hey everyone Ryan Nibbe was arrested today on aggrivated sexual assult charges! The girl they say was 13 yrs old. Wonder if anything else will come out? [/*]

We can only hope. If I'm not mistaken Ryan already had an arrest warrant out for something.
Maybe this will get the ball rolling.

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
This dang place hasn't been telling me that I have new messages and that there are new posts. I've been coming in to check but it's just not updating right for me or something.

PPK that's awesome news on the arrest. Thanks so much for sharing. Well, great news that he's behind bars but obviously not great for the little girl. Sicka$$ people... I swear......

OldFart, I was wondering the same thing. It feels like all intrests in finding Jamie have halted. Not sure if all focus has been turned to Stacy Peterson or what. Maybe it's the lack of help from the family and LE that makes it seem like maybe it's a lost cause. *sigh* I just wish they'd find her........ [/*]


I agree but lets hope that maybe something will come out now that Ryan is behind bars! Maybe since he's in jail someone will feel safe to come forward! Makes me think that maybe Ryan really had something to do with Jamie maybe more to the story then we all think, maybe he had to shut her up for some reason!

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL
Anyone have any thoughts on whether Jamie and Heather's disappearances may have something to do with Drew Peterson? [/*]

I wonder if wife #2 lived in Paxton 10 yrs ago when Heather went missing.

[ppkpdp05]

November 19th - Ryan Nibbe arrested on aggrivated sexual assult charges

[ppkpdp05]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL


Do you have a link for that? And can you also post it in the links and timeline section? TIA and way to keep on top of things. Glad you found that. [/*]

Hey CR not real sure how to start a link yet sorry still pretty new to this whole thing!

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by Snowbird


No, she has only lived there for one year. [/*]

Thanks Snowbird. I found it after I had posted.

[ppkpdp05]

Darn it I can't seem to find a link or thew story that was on the news last night about Ryan's arrest can someone see if they can find it. It was on the channel three news last night.

[concrncitz]

Yea for Ryan being arrested. I hope he goes away for a logn long time. Here is what I have found so far.
I hope this works

Defendant Plaintiff
NIBBE RYAN A


PEOPLE OF ILLINOIS



Information:
File Date: 11/16/07
Court Room: F
Next Appearance: 12/04/07 03:15
Birth Date: 07/13/79
Offense Date: 11/13/07

DEFENDANT: NIBBE RYAN A


FEES & FINES INFORMATION as of 11/19/2007 10:02:12 PM


ORDERED DESCRIPTION PAID BALANCE
100.00 CLERK .00 100.00
5.00 AUTOMATION FEE .00 5.00
5.00 DOCUMENT STORAGE FEE .00 5.00
50.00 COURT FINANCE FEE .00 50.00
30.00 STS ATTY .00 30.00
10.00 ARRESTEE'S MEDICAL .00 10.00
.00 VIOLENT CRIME VICTIM .00 .00
25.00 COURT SECURITY FEE .00 25.00

RECEIPT HISTORY INFORMATION as of 11/19/2007 10:02:12 PM


RECEIPT # DESCRIPTION AMOUNT DATE PAID

CHARGES INFORMATION as of 11/19/2007 10:02:22 PM

Count Description
01 AGG CRIM SEX AB/VIC 13-16
02 AGG CRIM SEX AB/VIC 13-16

DOCKET INFORMATION as of 11/19/2007 10:02:22 PM


11-19-07 RPK/JAK
RPK/JAK RE: NIBBE RYAN A
RPK/JAK People appear by CHRIS KANIS. Defendant
RPK/JAK appears and is arraigned. Public Defender is
RPK/JAK appointed, J.Davis appears . Cause set for
RPK/JAK Preliminary Hearing on 12/04/2007 at 03:15 PM
RPK/JAK in Courtroom F. See Expanded Record.
RPK/JAK Defendant admonished as to the possibility of the
RPK/JAK offenses not being probationable.
RPK/JAK As a condition of Defendant's bond, Deft. is
RPK/JAK ordered to HAVE NO CONTACT whatsoever, directly or
RPK/JAK indirectly with NAMED VICTIM.
RPK/JAK Defendant's Bond fixed in the amount of
RPK/JAK $150,000.
RPK/JAK ROR denied.
RPK/JAK DEFENDANT IS ADMONISHED AS TO TRIAL AND SENTENCING
RPK/JAK IN ABSENTIA.

[concrncitz]

well obvisiously the cooler must not be that big of an issue, if I lived there and drove by all the time I would jsu thave to stop and see for myself that it was garbage......

[concrncitz]

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2007/11/20/man_charged_in_sex_abuse_case_following

I hope the link works.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Man charged in sex abuse case following traffic stop

A man with ties to Champaign County was charged Monday with aggravated criminal sexual abuse for allegedly committing sex acts with a teen runaway from Arizona.

Ryan Nibbe, 28, for whom authorities listed addresses in Tucson, Ariz., and Rantoul, is scheduled to be back in Champaign County Circuit Court on Dec. 4. State's Attorney Julia Rietz said Nibbe was arrested Thursday in north Urbana about 1 p.m. by Illinois State Police who pulled his vehicle over for a traffic violation on U.S. 45 near Kenyon Road.

In the vehicle with him was a 15-year-old girl and two other adults. The girl told the trooper Nibbe had engaged in acts of fondling with her at a motel in Champaign on Nov. 13 and again on Thursday.

Judge Richard Klaus set Nibbe's bond at $150,000.

Rietz said Nibbe has prior convictions in Vermilion, Macon and Ford counties and was on parole for a 2006 aggravated driving under the influence conviction in Champaign County. He was also wanted for failure to appear in a misdemeanor battery in Champaign County.

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2007/11/20/man_charged_in_sex_abuse_case_following

[concrncitz]

Us 45 and Kenyon Rd (what the news gazette article said) that is a route you can take to Rantoul isnt it? So he was being brave enough knowing he had a warrent to go back to rantoul.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by CR_in_IL

I'd bet you a pretty penny that he was in Rantoul all the time!! [/*]

I don't know CR. The article states that the girl is from Arizona and said that they had an address listing in Arizona for Ryan. So I'm wondering if that isn't where he's been and maybe has just returned to Rantoul.

Whatever reason thank God he did. Now maybe the investigation into Jami's disappearance will pick up some speed.

[concrncitz]

I agree, I am sure he was in AZ for awhile or somewhere besides Rantoul. Isnt Josh still on the run too for a warrant or is he in Jail right now?
I would be nice if the other adult in the care was Josh

[PinkPony]

I found this while searching the Champaign News-Gazette for news.

www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2007/11/26/asdf

[concrncitz]

I was just checking to see if there have been any updates and this is what the circuit clerk has on there for Ryan Nibbe.

11-19-07 RPK/JAK
RPK/JAK RE: NIBBE RYAN A
RPK/JAK People appear by CHRIS KANIS. Defendant
RPK/JAK appears and is arraigned. Public Defender is
RPK/JAK appointed, J.Davis appears . Cause set for
RPK/JAK Preliminary Hearing on 12/04/2007 at 03:15 PM
RPK/JAK in Courtroom F. See Expanded Record.
RPK/JAK Defendant admonished as to the possibility of the
RPK/JAK offenses not being probationable.
RPK/JAK As a condition of Defendant's bond, Deft. is
RPK/JAK ordered to HAVE NO CONTACT whatsoever, directly or
RPK/JAK indirectly with NAMED VICTIM.
RPK/JAK Defendant's Bond fixed in the amount of
RPK/JAK $150,000.
RPK/JAK ROR denied.
RPK/JAK DEFENDANT IS ADMONISHED AS TO TRIAL AND SENTENCING
RPK/JAK IN ABSENTIA.
11-29-07 TJD/SEC/MC
TJD/SEC/MC RE: NIBBE RYAN A
TJD/SEC/MC Indictment returned in open Court in 02 Counts.

Can anyone tell me what the last line means? Indictment returned in open Court. Thanks