Michelle Young Daily Thread Thurs Sept 27

[tiny paw-prints]

Good morning!

The other day, BiggerRedDog began a daily thread and had posted a link about the billboard for seeking information about Jenna Neilsen's murder.

Here's an update article about the billboard in Raleigh (with photo of billboard). Jenna Neilsen's father (Kevin Blaine) mentions Michelle's murder while discussing the billboard seeking info about Jenna's murder.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/wake/story/716375.html


:patriot: Thank you Mr. Blaine for mentioning Michelle's name.



:rose: Justice for Michelle

:rose: Justice for Jenna

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Deanna55


Hi Tiny, did you notice the comment the police made about the crime lab results ?

On Tuesday, Mathias said police have fielded about 1,000 phone calls at a hot line solely devoted to receiving tips about the case. He said that with the return of DNA tests and other forensic evidence, investigators are "closer" than they were three months ago to finding the killer.

So, what we have heard about the tests not being completed on Michelle may not be true. Looks like they got the results back fast on Jenna Nielson.

Good morning, Deanna!

IIRC, there was a single strand of hair (or more) found in Jenna's hand, and perhaps the perp's skin found under her fingernails? I believe the DNA results from the lab probably narrows down who is responsible for Jenna's murder. Those results might coincide with the composite description of the person they most want to question?

The new billboard for Jenna with that same composite and the recent DNA lab test results being "closer" to finding the killer, they are certain her case will be resolved.

A recent post at WS describes a case where an arrest of the husband was 1 1/2 years after he murdered his wife, Kari Baker, who was found dead April 2006.

[karen]

Good Morning, I hope Justice for Michelle will be soon, I feel like it's all coming together now.
My thoughts and Prayers go out to Linda, Meredith, Cassidy
and friends and family of Michelle. The loss of a child is one of the hardest things a parent can go through, Linda's life will never be the same.

To JY-
"In any moment of decision,
The best thing you can do is the right thing.
The worst thing you can do is nothing."

Theodore Roosevelt

[WonderingInSC]

Originally posted by karen
Good Morning, I hope Justice for Michelle will be soon, I feel like it's all coming together now.
My thoughts and Prayers go out to Linda, Meredith, Cassidy
and friends and family of Michelle. The loss of a child is one of the hardest things a parent can go through, Linda's life will never be the same.

To JY-
"In any moment of decision,
The best thing you can do is the right thing.
The worst thing you can do is nothing."

Theodore Roosevelt
Great quote. The problem here is that what one chooses as the right thing in their mind at the time, is not always the best thing. Sad in this case.

Justice for Michelle, her baby boy and the family. :rose:

[karen]

Originally posted by WonderingInSC

Great quote. The problem here is that what one chooses as the right thing in their mind at the time, is not always the best thing. Sad in this case.

Justice for Michelle, her baby boy and the family. :rose:

I know, I guess like you said JY thought he was doing the right thing by hiring an attorney and not answering ANY questions.
But I liked the part "The worst thing you can do is NOTHING"
which I feel that is what JY is doing.

JFM:rose:

[karen]

I have a problem with all those that support JY, if his alibi is so airtight, would'nt you think he would'nt be so worried about talking to LE to try to find out who the REAL murderer is?

All we hear is that JY could'nt have committed this crime because he was no where near Raleigh, he was "out of town" so what the heck is he so worried about? :shrug:

[springflowers35]

It looks like JY would fair much better if he didn't go to trial.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1863071/


TY BRD

[WonderingInSC]

Originally posted by Trinity


I think we ALL wonder the exact same thing.

ETA - except those who think JY is innocent. To them he is simply exercising his rights.

He certainly was. We hear that on here from the posters at least once per day. All he had to do was "make a statement" through his atty., that he was grieving and wanted to be left alone and would help find the killer of his wife, or at least put some support that the LE would find the perp. That is normal; hiding away and doing "nothing" is giving no respect for the mother of his child(ren.)

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by springflowers35
It looks like JY would fair much better if he didn't go to trial.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1863071/


TY BRD


Very interesting article. Thanks for sharing.

I think I've said it before, and I'll say it again ...

Wake County has been very busy this year.

:patriot: Patriotic Patience, Justice for Michelle

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
In my opinion I believe JY is respecting Michelle's wishes by keeping their daughter out of the media. If JY was out in the public he would be bringing attention to Cassidy and all of his family. The media are wolves disguised with a microphone,pencil and writing tablet. The media care not about who`s live they interrupt or worse,take over.
LE has a job to find the killer and Jason has a job to love and protect his child. So,for all of you that are starving for information about Jason that you can twist to make him look bad,GIVE IT UP.
Find your own entertainment,quite expecting JY to entertain you.

I think you actually made a good point here. The child does need to be protected right now. And the media is very selfish when it comes to the lives of others.

I did go to school with Jason and said a few things about his demeanor in some other posts. After reading your post it reminded me that as horrible as this situation is, it really isn't any of my business. I hope this case is solved sooner than later.

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by why oh why?


I think you actually made a good point here. The child does need to be protected right now. And the media is very selfish when it comes to the lives of others.

I did go to school with Jason and said a few things about his demeanor in some other posts. After reading your post it reminded me that as horrible as this situation is, it really isn't any of my business. I hope this case is solved sooner than later.


There is ZERO media covering Jason and Cassidy. So that is a bunch of hogwash.

And I sure hope you weren't threatened for speaking about Jason. That has happened on more than one occasion on this board.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by why oh why?
snip~

After reading your post it reminded me that as horrible as this situation is, it really isn't any of my business.

Murder of a pregnant mother is everyone's business.

I hope for an arrest soon too.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by springflowers35
snip~



And I sure hope you weren't threatened for speaking about Jason. That has happened on more than one occasion on this board.

Was Coldwater informed of these threats?

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by springflowers35



There is ZERO media covering Jason and Cassidy. So that is a bunch of hogwash.

And I sure hope you weren't threatened for speaking about Jason. That has happened on more than one occasion on this board.

No I wasn't threatened. And, I will continue to answer questions if asked. But, imagine if Jason did all of the sudden "talk" or make a statement, the media would be all over is ***. He's not going to talk. Ever.

I don't know. I think it is all crazy. I can't believe he hasn't talked. I read things on this board and it all makes sense in different ways (except MF or LF being involved). Most people's opinions on here are very legit in my opinion.

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Murder of a pregnant mother is everyone's business.

I hope for an arrest soon too.

You are very right.

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Was Coldwater informed of these threats?

Yes, and so has LE. Thanks for inquiring.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by why oh why?


No I wasn't threatened. And, I will continue to answer questions if asked. But, imagine if Jason did all of the sudden "talk" or make a statement, the media would be all over is ***. He's not going to talk. Ever.

I don't know. I think it is all crazy. I can't believe he hasn't talked. I read things on this board and it all makes sense in different ways (except MF or LF being involved). Most people's opinions on here are very legit in my opinion.

If Jason doesn't talk he will forever be under a cloud of suspicion. I know I couldn't live like that.

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by why oh why?


No I wasn't threatened. And, I will continue to answer questions if asked. But, imagine if Jason did all of the sudden "talk" or make a statement, the media would be all over is ***. He's not going to talk. Ever.

I don't know. I think it is all crazy. I can't believe he hasn't talked. I read things on this board and it all makes sense in different ways (except MF or LF being involved). Most people's opinions on here are very legit in my opinion.


No, he is not going to talk, so it's a non issue. He CAN'T talk without implicating himself. It's not a matter of his "rights" It's a matter of life or death. jmo

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by annalyzer


If Jason doesn't talk he will forever be under a cloud of suspicion. I know I couldn't live like that.

I couldn't either. And when CY grows up Jason will never be able to honestly say he did everything in his power to help the situation. That is a shame in my opinion.

[why oh why?]

If he's not in prison, that is....

[alter ego]

Originally posted by karen
I have a problem with all those that support JY, if his alibi is so airtight, would'nt you think he would'nt be so worried about talking to LE to try to find out who the REAL murderer is?

All we hear is that JY could'nt have committed this crime because he was no where near Raleigh, he was "out of town" so what the heck is he so worried about? :shrug:
If LE knew who the killer was, they wouldn't tell Jason anyway. He would find out with the arrest and charge of the perp just like everyone else.

LE does NOT share details of a criminal investigation with anyone outside LE.

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Sorry,I don`t know what you consider hog wash. Can you explain? There is zero media coverage because JY has made the decision to keep himself and his daughter away from media.
Do you think if Jason went to LE answered all the questions they would ask,you think LE would keep it from the media. NO. It would be leaked to the press and every news agency in the country would be camped at his door. He is protecting Cassidy and all his family by being silent.

But why is his family not being quite?

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

Who says they are not? Posters on this board who have formed their on opinion that a certain poster is family? They are just guessing. No way do they know,it could be anyone who wants you and others think they are family.
Heck from all I know you could be family. NO ONE KNOWS IF FAMILY IS POSTING ON THIS BOARD.
Look at TB,she has convinced most posters here she was a close friend of the sister and yes,she did post nice things. We know know she hasn`t spoke with this particular sister since HS. Who knows who JTF is? Only theorizing.

I'm definitely not family. :no:

[lilismom]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

Who says they are not? Posters on this board who have formed their on opinion that a certain poster is family? They are just guessing. No way do they know,it could be anyone who wants you and others think they are family.
Heck from all I know you could be family. NO ONE KNOWS IF FAMILY IS POSTING ON THIS BOARD.
Look at TB,she has convinced most posters here she was a close friend of the sister and yes,she did post nice things. We know know she hasn`t spoke with this particular sister since HS. Who knows who JTF is? Only theorizing.

You only think you know about TB because JTF told you? Or do you know them personally? Just like you can't believe who everyone is behind the nic they use, you can't believe everything you read either.

IMO,
Lilismom

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by lilismom


You only think you know about TB because JTF told you? Or do you know them personally? Just like you can't believe who everyone is behind the nic they use, you can't believe everything you read either.

IMO,
Lilismom

Yes, but at the same time, people do have truth to what they say here. I know what I said is the truth at least...

But people like Gojo and JTF I think are intimately in contact with the Young family (if not related). They are doing everything in their power to protect and stand-up for Jason. Including threats.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by why oh why?


Yes, but at the same time, people do have truth to what they say here. I know what I said is the truth at least...

But people like Gojo and JTF I think are intimately in contact with the Young family (if not related). They are doing everything in their power to protect and stand-up for Jason. Including threats.

Threaten what? :confused:

ETA I meant to ask Spring this earlier.

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
I agree with you and because she said it does not make it true.
My father said to me when I was young,daughter,believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see. He was a very wise man in my life.

I like that. Very wise indeed.

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

My goodness,have they threaten you??

No, I have already said I haven't been threatened. But, I have read people making references to Gojo about threatening and being a bully.

If someone did threaten me on here, I wouldn't be scared or intimidated in the least. In my opinion it's just talk. A bullying method because they don't have anything else to prove their reasons for backing up Jason.

[lilismom]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by why oh why?
[B]

Yes, but at the same time, people do have truth to what they say here. I know what I said is the truth at least...


Snipped.

Oh I do not doubt that. I believe some here know the parties or are friends with those who do.

IMO,
Lilismom

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by lilismom
[QUOTE]Originally posted by why oh why?
[B]

Yes, but at the same time, people do have truth to what they say here. I know what I said is the truth at least...


Snipped.

Oh I do not doubt that. I believe some here know the parties or are friends with those who do.

IMO,
Lilismom


So all of this information... Some true and some not. We are only left to form our own opinion on the situation and information provided to us.

And at some point everyone on here should realize that is the beauty of opinions.

“A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows public opinion”

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
lilismom, I agree again.There are some of theses poster that seem to have so much hate it comes through my PC. Then there are some who just try posting their opinion without being hateful or spiteful. Those posters have more believability to me.


Well said.

[why oh why?]

So, what should we discuss? What opinions should we share?

[karen]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

How about the DNA? I don`t understand why LE has not come out and let the public know if all Forensics are back and if they still believe this was not a random murder. Have they compare DNA to other murders in Raleigh? The public has the right to know these things.

What DNA? The DNA under Michelles fingernails? Or the hair found in her hand? Or JY's DNA?

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by karen


What DNA? The DNA under Michelles fingernails? Or the hair found in her hand? Or JY's DNA?

I would think all of the above. If the tests have come back wouldn't that clear Jason if the DNA under MY fingernails and hair on hand didn't match his DNA?

I would think that would be something that would be released to clear JY as main suspect.

How long does it take for those tests to be completed? Anyone know?

[karen]

Originally posted by why oh why?


I would think all of the above. If the tests have come back wouldn't that clear Jason if the DNA under MY fingernails and hair on hand didn't match his DNA?

I would think that would be something that would be released to clear JY as main suspect.

How long does it take for those tests to be completed? Anyone know?

I thought his "airtight alibi" out of town, would have cleared him also, but that did'nt happen. Wonder why? You think LE knows more than they are letting the public and media know?:shrug:

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by karen


I thought his "airtight alibi" out of town, would have cleared him also, but that did'nt happen. Wonder why? You think LE knows more than they are letting the public and media know?:shrug:


You betcha!

[richmondmom]

Originally posted by karen


I thought his "airtight alibi" out of town, would have cleared him also, but that did'nt happen. Wonder why? You think LE knows more than they are letting the public and media know?:shrug:


His alibi of being in a hotel in VA cannot be airtight. How does anyone prove they were alone in a hotel, sleeping all night? Say he said something like this.... checked into hotel, watched TV, talked on phone, went to sleep, got up, ate breakfast, went to meeting. Now LE ask him to prove he was sleeping, but how does anyone prove they were sleeping?

[Silsbee]

Originally posted by Deanna55


Hi Tiny, did you notice the comment the police made about the crime lab results ?

On Tuesday, Mathias said police have fielded about 1,000 phone calls at a hot line solely devoted to receiving tips about the case. He said that with the return of DNA tests and other forensic evidence, investigators are "closer" than they were three months ago to finding the killer.

So, what we have heard about the tests not being completed on Michelle may not be true. Looks like they got the results back fast on Jenna Nielson.

Hi Deanna,
I thought this article went into more detail about the SBI lab and the cases that were getting backlogged. It sounds like the cases that suffered the most were rape cases.

I would think that after 11 months they would have DNA tests returned by now.

The backlog left thousands of rape kits abandoned on law enforcement shelves across the state.

“We have had more murderers and rapists caught during the first six months of this year than we did during the first 10 years of the DNA program,” Cooper said.


http://wral.com/news/local/story/1861088/

Sheriff Donnie sounded very sure that they would solve this case in his last interview. I just wonder what the hold-up is.

jmo
Sils

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by karen


I thought his "airtight alibi" out of town, would have cleared him also, but that did'nt happen. Wonder why? You think LE knows more than they are letting the public and media know?:shrug:

For sure!

[richmondmom]

Originally posted by karen


I thought his "airtight alibi" out of town, would have cleared him also, but that did'nt happen. Wonder why? You think LE knows more than they are letting the public and media know?:shrug:


Actually sleeping alone in an out of town hotel is probably one of the weakest alibis anyone can come up with. It can't be proven. If he beat his wife to death, then this is a weak alibi, it provides a time of opportunity.

[Silsbee]

Originally posted by karen
I have a problem with all those that support JY, if his alibi is so airtight, would'nt you think he would'nt be so worried about talking to LE to try to find out who the REAL murderer is?

All we hear is that JY could'nt have committed this crime because he was no where near Raleigh, he was "out of town" so what the heck is he so worried about? :shrug:

Hi karen,
I can only speak for myself but I am in support of justice. I don't know Jason or if he committed this horrible murder. I'm not sure who thinks he has an airtight alibi, but I doubt that is the case. If he was in his hotel room asleep how does he prove that?

So I do think he has something to worry about.

jmo
Sils

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by Silsbee


Hi karen,
I can only speak for myself but I am in support of justice. I don't know Jason or if he committed this horrible murder. I'm not sure who thinks he has an airtight alibi, but I doubt that is the case. If he was in his hotel room asleep how does he prove that?

So I do think he has something to worry about.

jmo
Sils

It's definitely not airtight. If it were, he would have been cleared many months ago.

[Silsbee]

Originally posted by why oh why?


I would think all of the above. If the tests have come back wouldn't that clear Jason if the DNA under MY fingernails and hair on hand didn't match his DNA?

I would think that would be something that would be released to clear JY as main suspect.

How long does it take for those tests to be completed? Anyone know?

Hi why, IIRC there was foreign DNA found in the JonBenet Ramsey case and her parents were never formally cleared. I don't think LE would make a point of clearing anyone publicly. We will know when an arrest is made... if it is not Jason.

jmo
Sils

[Silsbee]

Originally posted by richmondmom



Actually sleeping alone in an out of town hotel is probably one of the weakest alibis anyone can come up with. It can't be proven. If he beat his wife to death, then this is a weak alibi, it provides a time of opportunity.

ITA.

Sils

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by Silsbee


Hi why, IIRC there was foreign DNA found in the JonBenet Ramsey case and her parents were never formally cleared. I don't think LE would make a point of clearing anyone publicly. We will know when an arrest is made... if it is not Jason.

jmo
Sils

True.

[karen]

Originally posted by Silsbee


Hi karen,
I can only speak for myself but I am in support of justice. I don't know Jason or if he committed this horrible murder. I'm not sure who thinks he has an airtight alibi, but I doubt that is the case. If he was in his hotel room asleep how does he prove that?

So I do think he has something to worry about.

jmo
Sils

ITA.
Some on here seem to think that there is no way JY could have done this. I was trying to prove a point.:)

[texasgal]

Originally posted by Rios, A
LE will go after JY. His only chance is to get a trial where he can be acquitted. You CAN'T be acquitted in an interrogation room < snip > In today's society men are held accountable so you really have to watch your back if you're a man. jmo

LOL .. Reed/Rios .. do you have these statement saved somewhere so you can just reach out, copy and paste every so many posts you make?!?!?

No harm, buddy, just jabbin' a little fun at the broken record..

:punch:

[texasgal]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
In my opinion I believe JY is respecting Michelle's wishes by keeping their daughter out of the media.

How is this MICHELLE's WISHES? Wouldn't she have to express those wishes? How does that conversation happen?

"Honey, if I'm brutally bludgeoned to death and my daughter is left with me for hours after I die, PLEASE keep her out of the media attention."

or,

After being choked, and before he started bludgeoning her, she managed to say "After you kill me, please keep C out of the media attention."

I'm not attacking, and maybe it's the choice of words... , but I believe JY could talk to police, or make a statement and not threaten CYs privacy.

Also, the above statement does not mean I know he is guilty. I'm still on the fence, waiting for LE to finish their jog. Albeit, the fence is leaning....



:seeya:

[Charlottean]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

So,for all of you that are starving for information about Jason that you can twist to make him look bad,GIVE IT UP.
Find your own entertainment,quite expecting JY to entertain you.

IMO this board is anxiously waiting for information regarding an arrest for MY's murder - NOT information on JY, who has made his ownself look bad, with no help from any posters. Excluding you, I assume most people do find this case entertaining!

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by texasgal


How is this MICHELLE's WISHES? Wouldn't she have to express those wishes? How does that conversation happen?

"Honey, if I'm brutally bludgeoned to death and my daughter is left with me for hours after I die, PLEASE keep her out of the media attention."

or,

After being choked, and before he started bludgeoning her, she managed to say "After you kill me, please keep C out of the media attention."

I'm not attacking, and maybe it's the choice of words... , but I believe JY could talk to police, or make a statement and not threaten CYs privacy.

Also, the above statement does not mean I know he is guilty. I'm still on the fence, waiting for LE to finish their jog. Albeit, the fence is leaning....



:seeya:

Choice of words... Too sarcastic to be taken seriously. You could have made your point with the first sentence.

[Charlottean]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

How about the DNA? I don`t understand why LE has not come out and let the public know if all Forensics are back and if they still believe this was not a random murder. Have they compare DNA to other murders in Raleigh? The public has the right to know these things.

I disagree, if LE shared information with the public it could jeopardise further invesitagtion as well as a conviction.

[Charlottean]

Originally posted by Charlottean

Excluding you, I assume most people do find this case entertaining!

ETA - DO NOT find this case entertaining!

[singaporesling]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

How about the DNA? I don`t understand why LE has not come out and let the public know if all Forensics are back and if they still believe this was not a random murder. Have they compare DNA to other murders in Raleigh? The public has the right to know these things.

I think that LE has found no foreign DNA so they don't have an unknown killer for anyone to worry about.

The dna from the killer may possibly be saliva that is mixed with Michelle's blood. There was a lot of blood so there are lots of tests to be run. I think that there are still samples being tested and have not come back yet.
I think LE is working as hard as they can to resolve this crime and in the end their diligence will pay off with an arrest.

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by singaporesling


I think that LE has found no foreign DNA so they don't have an unknown killer for anyone to worry about.

The dna from the killer may possibly be saliva that is mixed with Michelle's blood. There was a lot of blood so there are lots of tests to be run. I think that there are still samples being tested and have not come back yet.
I think LE is working as hard as they can to resolve this crime and in the end their diligence will pay off with an arrest.

Let's hope so. Them solving so many other cases gives hope they will solve this one!

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by singaporesling


I think that LE has found no foreign DNA so they don't have an unknown killer for anyone to worry about.

The dna from the killer may possibly be saliva that is mixed with Michelle's blood. There was a lot of blood so there are lots of tests to be run. I think that there are still samples being tested and have not come back yet.
I think LE is working as hard as they can to resolve this crime and in the end their diligence will pay off with an arrest.


The killer has made it difficult for them, but they are working diligently. I have reason to believe they are making progress. jmo

[texasgal]

Originally posted by why oh why?
Choice of words... Too sarcastic to be taken seriously. You could have made your point with the first sentence.

Yeah, I suppose you're right, after re-reading, I can see that it really sounded snarky. I apologize.

I guess I was just thinking 'out loud' and my fingers got ahead of my filter ...:(

[5swab5]

Originally posted by texasgal


How is this MICHELLE's WISHES? Wouldn't she have to express those wishes? How does that conversation happen?

"Honey, if I'm brutally bludgeoned to death and my daughter is left with me for hours after I die, PLEASE keep her out of the media attention."

or,

After being choked, and before he started bludgeoning her, she managed to say "After you kill me, please keep C out of the media attention."

I'm not attacking, and maybe it's the choice of words... , but I believe JY could talk to police, or make a statement and not threaten CYs privacy.

Also, the above statement does not mean I know he is guilty. I'm still on the fence, waiting for LE to finish their jog. Albeit, the fence is leaning....



:seeya:

I bet Michelle wanted to see Cassidy: go out on her first date, get her driver's license, attend her prom, interview for college, get married, and be at her side to welcome her own grandchildren into this world, NOT to mention, enjoy her THIRD Christmas.

I seriously doubt that after ALL that Michelle has been cheated out of, she would concern herself with people that BELIEVE what they heard Cassidy say on the 911 tape and are trying to solve her murder.

The media, LE, friends and family NEED to crank things up, to bring her murderer to justice.

I also doubt very seriously she would be thinking too much of her husband's concerns for finding the killer. Can't wait for Cassidy to grow up. She'll get him eventually. I believe it, with all my heart.

MOO

Swabby

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by texasgal


Yeah, I suppose you're right, after re-reading, I can see that it really sounded snarky. I apologize.

I guess I was just thinking 'out loud' and my fingers got ahead of my filter ...:(

No problem. :)

[texasgal]

Originally posted by why oh why?
No problem. :)

Thanks .. :)

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

Lets see now.Maybe it is possible that Michelle and Jason watched the circus with the media in the Scot and Laci saga and both of them were disgusted with it. Perhaps she and Jason both said, God forbid,but if one of us were ever murdered the last thing I would want is the media around my family.Or,perhaps he is putting himself in his wife`s shoes and would hope she would protect Cassidy from being exposed to the wolves. Yea,possible.


Yeah, I am sure during that same conversation that she said, please put the wolves on my mom and sister. Be sure your sister(s) and friends really go after my family. jmo

[Charlottean]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE

You find a murdered pregnant mother entertaining?????

NO Cycle, somehow the word NOT was deleted - I DO NOT find anything re: this case entertaining. In my next post, I edited to say what I meant - You were the one who mentioned JY was entertainment for this board! There is nothing amusing about JY or anything about this tragedy!

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by springflowers35



Yeah, I am sure during that same conversation that she said, please put the wolves on my mom and sister. Be sure your sister(s) and friends really go after my family. jmo

I doubt in that conversation she said, Jason, if my sister murders me, I'd rather you go to death row.

Time to stop blaming Jason's family and friends for the suspicious 911 call made by Michelle's sister. If she's the killer or participated in any way, I think Michelle wants her held accountable. in my opinion, that's justice.

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I doubt in that conversation she said, Jason, if my sister murders me, I'd rather you go to death row.

Time to stop blaming Jason's family and friends for the suspicious 911 call made by Michelle's sister. If she's the killer or participated in any way, I think Michelle wants her held accountable. in my opinion, that's justice.

And on the other side of the coin... if Jason is the killer or participated in any way, I think Michelle would want him held accountable.

[Charlottean]

Originally posted by JustFacts



Time to stop blaming Jason's family and friends for the suspicious 911 call made by Michelle's sister. If she's the killer or participated in any way, I think Michelle wants her held accountable. in my opinion, that's justice.

Thank God for that suspicious 911 call as it saved C from more emotional tramua or possible harm from being left alone.

I guess Merdedith had a gift from above by JY calling and requesting a favor!

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by Charlottean


Thank God for that suspicious 911 call as it saved C from more emotional tramua or possible harm from being left alone.

I guess Merdedith had a gift from above by JY calling and requesting a favor!

:lol:

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Charlottean


Thank God for that suspicious 911 call as it saved C from more emotional tramua or possible harm from being left alone.

I guess Merdedith had a gift from above by JY calling and requesting a favor!

I'm confident C wasn't ever left alone. That 911 call showed she's quite an articulate child.

jmo

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I'm confident C wasn't ever left alone. That 911 call showed she's quite an articulate child.

jmo

Why were you watching her?

Articulate: "Daddy Did it." ????

What exactly are you getting at by this post?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by why oh why?


Why were you watching her?

Articulate: "Daddy Did it." ????

What exactly are you getting at by this post?

There are some (that seem a bit desperate imo) that believe that because C used the word "remember" in her comments, that means that Meredith was there earlier and coached the child.

I think those that believe that have never had any experience with a two-year-old child, imo.

[why oh why?]

JTF, if you are Jason's sister, I hope you are not corrupting C's impression of Michelle's family like you are this board. That would sure be a shame for her to grow up thinking poorly of Michelle's sister and mother and possibly her own murdered mom.

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by Barbara2


There are some (that seem a bit desperate imo) that believe that because C used the word "remember" in her comments, that means that Meredith was there earlier and coached the child.

I think those that believe that have never had any experience with a two-year-old child, imo.

Yes, and after being alone for hours with her dead mother, it is quite possible that she was reminding herself of something that she needed to tell the first person she saw.

I tell myself to remember.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Barbara2


There are some (that seem a bit desperate imo) that believe that because C used the word "remember" in her comments, that means that Meredith was there earlier and coached the child.

I think those that believe that have never had any experience with a two-year-old child, imo.

I suggest you look in the mirror for an example of desperation.
As much as you want to believe it, it is highly unlikely the child went totally mute after the 911 call.

:rolleyes:

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I suggest you look in the mirror for an example of desperation.
As much as you want to believe it, it is highly unlikely the child went totally mute after the 911 call.

:rolleyes:

And what? Your family has corrupted her into thinking her aunt (past caretaker) killed her mom?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by agathachristie



I disagree . I think she was left alone for FAR too long .

And the sweet thing was abandoned to tend to her DEAD mother .

I do agree that the 911 call showed she's quite an articulate child .

I'm guessing the LE more than appreciated her articulation .

:)

Children are so pure in spirit . There is no veneer. They tell it like they see it .

Just sayin' and JMO .

Aggie

LE was able to listen to her articulation directly and in person. No need to rely on a 911 call recording.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I suggest you look in the mirror for an example of desperation.
As much as you want to believe it, it is highly unlikely the child went totally mute after the 911 call.



I am positive that she was not mute. I am positive that she shared with others. I am not positive that it reflected badly on her aunt. It did reflect badly on a close relative of hers though. imo

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by JustFacts


LE was able to listen to her articulation directly and in person. No need to rely on a 911 call recording.

Too bad they weren't able to listen to Jason's articulation directly and in person. That means CY got her strength and courage from her mother, not Jason.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by why oh why?


And what? Your family has corrupted her into thinking her aunt (past caretaker) killed her mom?


You might want to ease up on the baseless accusations a wee bit. Thanks.

:no:

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by JustFacts



You might want to ease up on the baseless accusations a wee bit. Thanks.

:no:

I didn't accuse. I asked a question. You are the one making accusations.

Don't make statements if you don't want to hear people's responses.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by agathachristie



ITA !!!!!!!!!!!!

Not sure where in this post that you surmised that the child went mute, but I think she chatted up a storm !!!!!

Just like on the 911 tape !!!!!!!!


MOO..............Aggie

I agree. While her comments aren't admissable because of her age, I think she has been just as articulate and helpful to LE as was Blake in the Cutts case.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by why oh why?


I didn't accuse. I asked a question. You are the one making accusations.

Don't make statements if you don't want to hear people's responses.

What accusation? I said the child is articulate. Get a freakin grip.

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I agree. While her comments aren't admissable because of her age, I have think she has been just as articulate and helpful to LE as was Blake in the Cutts case.



I am sure that's why all the search warrants were for Jason in the following months. Hats off to the little heroine. jmo

[why oh why?]

Originally posted by JustFacts


What accusation? I said the child is articulate. Get a freakin grip.

I got a grip. Don't you worry. Reality is just fine where I am.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by JustFacts


LE was able to listen to her articulation directly and in person. No need to rely on a 911 call recording.


So we should throw out anything that is said on the 911 call then and rely only on what was said directly and in person?

IMO,
Lilismom

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by springflowers35




I am sure that's why all the search warrants were for Jason in the following months. Hats off to the little heroine. jmo

might be helpful for you to go back and read the probable cause for those search warrants. I doubt a toddler is very helpful in areas of finance, communications, etc.

I do agree that Michelle has every reason to be proud of her little girl.

jmo

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by JustFacts


might be helpful for you to go back and read the probable cause for those search warrants. I doubt a toddler is very helpful in areas of finance, communications, etc.

I do agree that Michelle has every reason to be proud of her little girl.

jmo


Just like the Cutts little boy, she was able to point LE in the right direction. Did she have to say anything about finances? Heck no. If she had said anything out of the ordinary about her aunt, I am sure the search warrants would have been for Meredith instead of Jason.

There's a reason why the silent one won't collect his insurance money. Let me ask you, Ms. Stroke a check every other minute, would YOU let an insurance check sit out there uncollected? You don't have to answer that. We already know the answer. jmo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by springflowers35



Just like the Cutts little boy, she was able to point LE in the right direction. Did she have to say anything about finances? Heck no. If she had said anything out of the ordinary about her aunt, I am sure the search warrants would have been for Meredith instead of Jason.

There's a reason why the silent one won't collect his insurance money. Let me ask you, Ms. Stroke a check every other minute, would YOU let an insurance check sit out there uncollected? You don't have to answer that. We already know the answer. jmo

If the child said anything about Jason, it has not been listed as probable cause on a search warrant.

As for the insurance, I'd follow my attorney's advice. I'm not sure why that is such a difficult concept for you to understand.

:shrug:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JustFacts


If the child said anything about Jason, it has not been listed as probable cause on a search warrant.

As for the insurance, I'd follow my attorney's advice. I'm not sure why that is such a difficult concept for you to understand.

:shrug:

So the attorney is advising him to not collect the life insurance money.

Interesting.

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by Barbara2


So the attorney is advising him to not collect the life insurance money.

Interesting.


Hey Barbara :seeya:

Interesting for sure! The attorney must know something we don't!

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by springflowers35



Hey Barbara :seeya:

Interesting for sure! The attorney must know something we don't!

Or MAYBE the attorney knows something we do. ;)

[gbmy]

Late last night I inquired about whether JY calling MF to retrieve the document was established as a fact or not. Gracia replied with this link saying that it was on page 7. Thanks Gracia!!


http://www.newsobserver.com/content...oungWarrant.pdf


.

[Dida]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints
Good morning!

The other day, BiggerRedDog began a daily thread and had posted a link about the billboard for seeking information about Jenna Neilsen's murder.

Here's an update article about the billboard in Raleigh (with photo of billboard). Jenna Neilsen's father (Kevin Blaine) mentions Michelle's murder while discussing the billboard seeking info about Jenna's murder.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/wake/story/716375.html


:patriot: Thank you Mr. Blaine for mentioning Michelle's name.



:rose: Justice for Michelle

:rose: Justice for Jenna

I, too, think it very nice that someone's family cares that Michelle's murder remains in the public eye.

jmo

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Or MAYBE the attorney knows something we do. ;)

:beer:

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by Dida


I, too, think it very nice that someone's family cares that Michelle's murder remains in the public eye.

jmo

Tragedy touched that family and that family responded in a normal way. I agree, it's great someone's family does care. jmo

[karen]

Originally posted by springflowers35


Tragedy touched that family and that family responded in a normal way. I agree, it's great someone's family does care. jmo

To me, a normal man that had his wife murdered would feel a strong bond with the other family that had this happen too.
But thats JMO.

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by karen


To me, a normal man that had his wife murdered would feel a strong bond with the other family that had this happen too.
But thats JMO.


Very good point.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Barbara2


So the attorney is advising him to not collect the life insurance money.

Interesting.

I didn't say that nor did I imply it. You really are desperate.

I have no idea whether he's filed an insurance claim or not. And neither do you.

:rolleyes:

[karen]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I didn't say that nor did I imply it. You really are desperate.

I have no idea whether he's filed an insurance claim or not. And neither do you.

:rolleyes:

Maybe he has, and thats why he is moving out and getting his own place :shrug:.............. no probally not, too dangerous for him to collect.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Dida


I, too, think it very nice that someone's family cares that Michelle's murder remains in the public eye.

jmo

huh? Jenna's family is focused on Jenna.

"Nielsen's family does not want her case to fall out of the media spotlight the way some of the others have.

"We don't want anyone to forget about her," Blaine said. "The other thing we want everybody to know is that there's a killer on the loose."

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I didn't say that nor did I imply it. You really are desperate.

I have no idea whether he's filed an insurance claim or not. And neither do you.



Originally posted by JustFacts


If the child said anything about Jason, it has not been listed as probable cause on a search warrant.

As for the insurance, I'd follow my attorney's advice. I'm not sure why that is such a difficult concept for you to understand.

You stand corrected. imo
:seeya:

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by karen


Maybe he has, and thats why he is moving out and getting his own place :shrug:.............. no probally not, too dangerous for him to collect.

Nothing dangerous about filing an insurance claim. People do it every day. :rolleyes:

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Barbara2




You stand corrected. imo
:seeya:

You corrected nothing because you don't know what his attorney advised now do you, Barbara2?

Spin, spin, spin.

:santa:

[jammies]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Nothing dangerous about filing an insurance claim. People do it every day. :rolleyes:


So what's stopping JY? :shrug:

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by agathachristie
JustFacts
Member

Registered: Aug 2007
Location: NC
Posts: 278

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Barbara2


So the attorney is advising him to not collect the life insurance money.

Interesting.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



I didn't say that nor did I imply it. You really are desperate.

I have no idea whether he's filed an insurance claim or not. And neither do you.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Where is the desperation in her post ?

I don't see it .

I do see an overreaction in your post though .

MOO............Aggie

perhaps it is time to invest in new glasses?

MOO,

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by jammies



So what's stopping JY? :shrug:

Has he been stopped? If so, what is stopping him?

[jammies]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Has he been stopped? If so, what is stopping him?


That's a good question!

[karen]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Nothing dangerous about filing an insurance claim. People do it every day. :rolleyes:

People that are innocent of any crime do, guilty people do not IMO.
Why else would he not collect, or why would his attorney advise him not too. (Your words, not mine)

[springflowers35]

I wonder if Jason will watch Grey's Anatomy tonight.


I wonder if Michelle's friends think of her every Thursday night.


I wonder if they think if Jason every Thursday night and wonder why he's not in jail.

jmo

[lilismom]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Has he been stopped? If so, what is stopping him?

The only thing I can think of is that he doesn't want to poke his head out and draw any attention to himself. Right or wrong, it will draw a crowd if he makes that claim.

IMO,
Lilismom

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by karen


People that are innocent of any crime do, guilty people do not IMO.
Why else would he not collect, or why would his attorney advise him not too. (Your words, not mine)

No, those are not my words. I did not say his attorney advised him not to file a claim so please don't mispresent that I did. I said: As for the insurance, I'd follow my attorney's advice. I'm not sure why that is such a difficult concept for you to understand.

Why are you assuming he hasn't filed a claim?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by lilismom


The only thing I can think of is that he doesn't want to poke his head out and draw any attention to himself. Right or wrong, it will draw a crowd if he makes that claim.

IMO,
Lilismom

How will it draw a crowd? It's not a matter of public record.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by JustFacts


How will it draw a crowd? It's not a matter of public record.


C'mon. You don't think that news would travel faster than the speed of light?

IMO,
Lilismom

[karen]

Originally posted by Gracia
I'm fairly certain that Jason Young has not attempted to collect the money from that life insurance policy because his 'name' has not be cleared by the investigators in his wife's murder case. After almost a year of JY being mute, if this had in fact already occurred, his name cleared, yes we would know because it surely would be a news worthy event!

Another couple of facts...
JY is the husband of a pregnant murdered woman, and the first move he made upon " his hearing" of the murder, he retains a lawyer. This action takes place before JY is even willing to talk with law enforcement, OOPS! I forgot, he has never talked willingly with LE.
That type of behavior from a totally innocent person whose wife has been brutally bludgeaned to death, and whose little 2 year old daughter was left alone in the home with her mother's bloody corpse is not very suspicious to you? !!!
LE investigators are taking their time with this case, making it an absolute airtight case for the prosecution, because there are is no statues of limitations on murder.

Thank You ITA

[Dominique]

Originally posted by jammies



So what's stopping JY? :shrug:

ME!

ME! Pick me!

Answer: He would actually have to answer questions and comment himself!

{as opposed to his oh-so-flattering-mouthpieces, here on this board and elswhere...they are doing him so much good!}

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by lilismom



C'mon. You don't think that news would travel faster than the speed of light?

IMO,
Lilismom

How is it news? It isn't a matter of public record.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Dominique


ME!

ME! Pick me!

Answer: He would actually have to answer questions and comment himself!

{as opposed to his oh-so-flattering-mouthpieces, here on this board and elswhere...they are doing him so much good!}

How do you know he hasn't answered questions? He has an attorney.

I think he has collected the insurance. Unless the insurance company can prove fraud, they can not deny the claim.

[jammies]

Originally posted by Dominique


ME!

ME! Pick me!

Answer: He would actually have to answer questions and comment himself!

{as opposed to his oh-so-flattering-mouthpieces, here on this board and elswhere...they are doing him so much good!}


lol! The more they yap the worse it looks for JY.

btw, :seeya:

[lilismom]

Originally posted by JustFacts


How is it news? It isn't a matter of public record.

How does MOST of what is told on this board get around? If JY was suddenly "in the money" you don't think people would notice? You don't think that would be "news"? It may not be earth shattering news, but it would be news nonetheless and word would spread quickly. IMO.

While we're talking, can you answer my question from earlier about the 911 recording? Are we throwing out the 911 recording as it applies to what CY said but keeping it in to continue to use it to point a finger at Meredith??

IMO,
Lilismom

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by jammies



lol! The more they yap the worse it looks for JY.

btw, :seeya:

the worse what looks for JY? Please explain. Thanks.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by lilismom


How does MOST of what is told on this board get around? If JY was suddenly "in the money" you don't think people would notice? You don't think that would be "news"? It may not be earth shattering news, but it would be news nonetheless and word would spread quickly. IMO.

While we're talking, can you answer my question from earlier about the 911 recording? Are we throwing out the 911 recording as it applies to what CY said but keeping it in to continue to use it to point a finger at Meredith??

IMO,
Lilismom

And who exactly would post information about the insurance claim here? Legally, the only parties who would know it are the insurance company and Jason. It is illegal for the insurance company to make it public. Why would Jason share it with someone so that it could be posted here?

What are you talking about the 911 recording? It's evidence but only as far as what Meredith said on it. What Cassidy said will have to be entered into testimony by the police rep who interviewed her.

JMO

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by Dominique


ME!

ME! Pick me!

Answer: He would actually have to answer questions and comment himself!

{as opposed to his oh-so-flattering-mouthpieces, here on this board and elswhere...they are doing him so much good!}


I just can't believe they have done all this either. They know LE has an eye out, and this is what they want them to know about JY? That the rest of his family are just as volatile as he is? Not smart. And look at the people here that are backing him. jmo

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Gracia



Yes they can and will deny a claim to the spouse of a murder victim, until that spouse is cleared of any involvement in the crime.
Jason Young has not been cleared.

The insurance company would want to take his deposition.

A $1M life insurance policy is enough reason to fully investigate before any payout is made to the surviving spouse in a case of an Unsolved Homicide!

When did the LI policy became effective; was it about the same time as when the Last Will & Testament was prepared and executed? What month/year was that?

Who is that Killer-Fugitive?

[Dominique]

Originally posted by JustFacts


How do you know he hasn't answered questions? He has an attorney.

I think he has collected the insurance. Unless the insurance company can prove fraud, they can not deny the claim.


LMAO!

[Dominique]

Originally posted by jammies



lol! The more they yap the worse it looks for JY.

btw, :seeya:

BTW...hola!

[texasgal]

Originally posted by Rios, A
LE has no incentive to " clear".... none. imo.

I don't know what your beef is with LE, Reed, but you should seek counseling ...;)

What you spout is Bull.

LE's incentive to clear people is so they can narrow down the list and get to the actual perp of the crime. If they can't "clear" Jason, then they shouldn't.

Maybe they could, if he'd sit down and talk to them, take a polygraph, and clear up all the JY loose ends.

Wonder why he doesn't? :shrug:

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by springflowers35



I just can't believe they have done all this either. They know LE has an eye out, and this is what they want them to know about JY? That the rest of his family are just as volatile as he is? Not smart. And look at the people here that are backing him. jmo

What are you talking about? Filing a life insurance claim is volatile?

:shrug:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by JustFacts


How is it news? It isn't a matter of public record.

Are you actually trying to spin and/or imply that the $1M life insurance policy is Not news and Not a matter of public Record??

LOL! You're joking, right?
(Normal person+Anonymity+Audience+Internet Troll)

The factual existence of that policy became news almost immediately after the murder as possible motive. Please refer to the links thread. Therefore, that policy become a matter of Public Record per the investigation of this Murder and per the search warrant (specifically related to that policy) for probable cause.
IMO.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by karen


People that are innocent of any crime do, guilty people do not IMO.
Why else would he not collect, or why would his attorney advise him not too. (Your words, not mine)
Guilty people don't file LI claims? Since when :confused:

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Rios, A


In this case LE has no other suspects so if they "clear" JY they would have to answer questions. You can't be exonerated after an interrogation or a polygraph. Only after a trial but LE and the DA won't give that opportunity.imo

ITA. LE won't "clear" somebody they've never publicly accused.

There is absolutely nothing preventing him from collecting the life insurance and I assume he has done so.

JMO

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Rios, A


Cynthia Sommers killed her husband and got a breast job with the insurance money before she got convicted. jmo

She also made a very suspicious 911 call that helped convict her.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by alter ego

Guilty people don't file LI claims? Since when :confused:


If his attorney advised him not to talk, he might have also advised him Not to file a claim to collect, especially if his attorney has good reason to believe the $1M might be a motive for the murder (refer to search warrants) which is currently an Unsolved Homicide.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by JustFacts


perhaps it is time to invest in new glasses?

MOO,

$

[texasgal]

Originally posted by Rios, A
In this case LE has no other suspects

Really? You must have the inside scoop ..

[singaporesling]

Originally posted by karen


To me, a normal man that had his wife murdered would feel a strong bond with the other family that had this happen too.
But thats JMO.

Operative words: normal and man. A human with character and integrity would not have strangers keeping his wife in the news. Although a killer with no remorse could and it seems, would.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Rios, A


Cynthia Sommers killed her husband and got a breast job with the insurance money before she got convicted. jmo
Just as I thought....guilty people DO file for LI....

[singaporesling]

Originally posted by JustFacts


ITA. LE won't "clear" somebody they've never publicly accused.

There is absolutely nothing preventing him from collecting the life insurance and I assume he has done so.

JMO

There is no way JY has filed for the insurance. He doesn't have the guts. There is no way he would not be deposed and since he is not a good liar he can't afford to take the chance. He's not as brave to face a group of men and women asking questions as he was when he was alone with a poor, innocent pregnant Mother.

He also has to be careful when filing for the insurance. I have read several true crime cases where the killer was charged with mail fraud in connection with the insurance. His "perfect" plan has a couple flaws. And these are just what we see. I am sure LE has a stack of them.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Rios, A


Cynthia Sommers killed her husband and got a breast job with the insurance money before she got convicted. jmo

LE (and the nation) watched the Menendez Bros spend
(and brag about) their inheritance before they were
arrested and convicted.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by JustFacts


How do you know he hasn't answered questions? He has an attorney.

I think he has collected the insurance. Unless the insurance company can prove fraud, they can not deny the claim.

When an Insurance Co. receives a claim in a murder case, the first thing they do is contact LE to ascertain whether the claimant is a POI or not. As LE has clearly stated noone has been eliminated, JY is obviously not cleared therefore the Insurance Co. would not pay out, nor are they under any obligation to. JY, of course, could petition the Court to have the proceeds placed in an interest bearing account until such time as he is cleared.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by singaporesling


There is no way JY has filed for the insurance. He doesn't have the guts. There is no way he would not be deposed and since he is not a good liar he can't afford to take the chance. He's not as brave to face a group of men and women asking questions as he was when he was alone with a poor, innocent pregnant Mother.

He also has to be careful when filing for the insurance. I have read several true crime cases where the killer was charged with mail fraud in connection with the insurance. His "perfect" plan has a couple flaws. And these are just what we see. I am sure LE has a stack of them.

Filing a piece of paper takes guts? And where do you get that he refuses to be deposed or that a deposition is/was required? How about sticking to the facts of the Young case rather than taking tidbits that you've read about in other cases and pretending they're facts in this case? Thanks.

[singaporesling]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Or MAYBE the attorney knows something we do. ;)

I think you're right!
:beer:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by alter ego

Just as I thought....guilty people DO file for LI....


LOL! If Cynthia Sommers had an attorney prior to collecting her husband's life insurance policy, he probably would have advised her Not to collect it.

Did Sommers have an attorney prior to collecting that insurance payout?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


When an Insurance Co. receives a claim in a murder case, the first thing they do is contact LE to ascertain whether the claimant is a POI or not. As LE has clearly stated noone has been eliminated, JY is obviously not cleared therefore the Insurance Co. would not pay out, nor are they under any obligation to. JY, of course, could petition the Court to have the proceeds placed in an interest bearing account until such time as he is cleared.

Might be true in Australia but in the U.S., not so. There is nothing stopping Jason Young from filing a claim. Our insurance processes are controlled by state statutes.

[singaporesling]

Originally posted by Gracia
I'm fairly certain that Jason Young has not attempted to collect the money from that life insurance policy because his 'name' has not be cleared by the investigators in his wife's murder case. After almost a year of JY being mute, if this had in fact already occurred, his name cleared, yes we would know because it surely would be a news worthy event!

Another couple of facts...
JY is the husband of a pregnant murdered woman, and the first move he made upon " his hearing" of the murder, he retains a lawyer. This action takes place before JY is even willing to talk with law enforcement, OOPS! I forgot, he has never talked willingly with LE.
That type of behavior from a totally innocent person whose wife has been brutally bludgeaned to death, and whose little 2 year old daughter was left alone in the home with her mother's bloody corpse is not very suspicious to you? !!!
LE investigators are taking their time with this case, making it an absolute airtight case for the prosecution, because there are no statues of limitations on murder.

Gracia, You are absolutely right! I was watching Animal Planet today about the SPCA was checking out a injured horse. They read this lady the riot act because she didn't drop everything and get over there to check on a horse! And JY's supporters don't think there is anything wrong about him not rushing home to see his daughter and get information first hand about his wife's murder.

[JHP]

I was thinking. IF LE suspects Jason of this crime. He would have left a 2 year old home alone for 8 1/2 + hours correct? I'm sure NC has some sort of child protective service. In my state people seem to get in big trouble for things like that. So perhaps they are not looking at Jason? I don't know. Does anyone have any thoughts about that?

[karen]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Filing a piece of paper takes guts? And where do you get that he refuses to be deposed or that a deposition is/was required? How about sticking to the facts of the Young case rather than taking tidbits that you've read about in other cases and pretending they're facts in this case? Thanks.


:read: OK where do YOU get that he has collected the Ins.
Or that he does'nt refuse to be deposed?

[JHP]

Originally posted by singaporesling


Gracia, You are absolutely right! I was watching Animal Planet today about the SPCA was checking out a injured horse. They read this lady the riot act because she didn't drop everything and get over there to check on a horse! And JY's supporters don't think there is anything wrong about him not rushing home to see his daughter and get information first hand about his wife's murder. Hi Singaporesling, This goes along with what I just posted. Wouldn't he have had to talk to some sort of child protective service if LE thought he had endangered a child? any thoughts on that?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Filing a piece of paper takes guts?

(snipped)

Jason calling Meredith first thing in the morning to fetch a piece of paper on the printer took some guts, ya think?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by karen



:read: OK where do YOU get that he has collected the Ins.
Or that he does'nt refuse to be deposed?

Karen, you're spinning in circles. The information is not public and I have no way to know details and neither do you.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Rios, A



She actually killed for the money. imo

Jason miight have killed for the money too.

The $1M is a possible motive for the murder, refer to the search warrants.

IIRC, the $1M policy was originally purchased about 1-month prior to the car accident in April 2006? That's only 6-7 months prior to the murder in November. The date of purchase is enough reason to fully investigate the LI as possible motive in this case.

[karen]

Originally posted by JustFacts


How do you know he hasn't answered questions? He has an attorney.

I think he has collected the insurance. Unless the insurance company can prove fraud, they can not deny the claim.

Ok, who's spinning?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by karen


Ok, who's spinning?

all I did was express my opinion that Jason Young has filed an insurance claim and you're melting down over it.

:shrug:

[JHP]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Jason miight have killed for the money too.

The $1M is a possible motive for the murder, refer to the search warrants.

IIRC, the $1M policy was originally purchased about 1-month prior to the car accident in April 2006? That's only 6-7 months prior to the murder in November. The date of purchase is enough reason to fully investigate the LI as possible motive in this case. Good evening Tiny, Wasn't it also discussed that they had changed Cassidy's guardian from Meredtith to one of Jasons sisters? Do you know if and when?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by JustFacts


(snipped

The information is not public and I have no way to know details and neither do you.

The factual info that a life insurance Exists has been made public.

That fact has been part of LE's Ongoing investigation (refer to search warrants) and the public is aware of this.

What has Not yet been made public, is the information that LE has gathered about the purchase of, payments of, claim of, or possible collection methods of ... that $1M life ins policy.

[karen]

Originally posted by Gracia
I believe that JY is responsible for the murder of Michelle Fisher Young. I believe he will be arrested and charged with her death.

I also believe that when we hear of his arrest on the murder charges, we will also hear about additional charges of child endangerment and neglect at that time too, related to Cassidy being alone in the home, with her mother's bloody, lifeless body for God only knows how many hours.

imho.

ITA.
I wonder if Jason had affairs with any other women besides MM? Do you think he did it for the money?

[singaporesling]

Originally posted by JHP
Hi Singaporesling, This goes along with what I just posted. Wouldn't he have had to talk to some sort of child protective service if LE thought he had endangered a child? any thoughts on that?

Hi JHP, I think LE would have to prove that he was the one who left her which I think they are still working on. Of course if an older sister was called to cover for an only brother maybe Cassidy was not alone very long at all. But I'm sure she already told LE everything that she saw and heard that night when LE responded to that heroic 911 call.

[JHP]

Originally posted by Gracia
I believe that JY is responsible for the murder of Michelle Fisher Young. I believe he will be arrested and charged with her death.

I also believe that when we hear of his arrest on the murder charges, we will also hear about additional charges of child endangerment and neglect at that time too, related to Cassidy being alone in the home, with her mother's bloody, lifeless body for God only knows how many hours.

imho. Thank you Gracia, I was just thinking about why he hasn't been charged yet. That poor little girl. 5 seconds was too long for any child too be left alone in a situation like that:( IMO

[singaporesling]

Originally posted by JHP
Good evening Tiny, Wasn't it also discussed that they had changed Cassidy's guardian from Meredtith to one of Jasons sisters? Do you know if and when?

From what I remember this was speculation, it was never proven as fact. It may have been presented as fact from the JY camp hoping to implicate Meredith.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by JHP
Good evening Tiny, Wasn't it also discussed that they had changed Cassidy's guardian from Meredtith to one of Jasons sisters? Do you know if and when?


There has been some rumor and discussions about that.

However, I have never read anything that confirms any truth to that rumor.

Is it also a rumor the $1M LI was purchased 1-month prior to the car accident in April 2006?

The only factual info that I've read is that the LI policy does exist! It's also part of the ongoing investigation!

What month did the Young family travel to California?

[JHP]

Originally posted by singaporesling


Hi JHP, I think LE would have to prove that he was the one who left her which I think they are still working on. Of course if an older sister was called to cover for an only brother maybe Cassidy was not alone very long at all. But I'm sure she already told LE everything that she saw and heard that night when LE responded to that heroic 911 call. Thank you, Another thing the older sister was just 1 1/2 hours away (reportedly). I would have thought she would have raced over to Raleigh right away to check on Cassidy and be of any help. But we didn't hear of that happening did we? rumor or otherwise?

[singaporesling]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Might be true in Australia but in the U.S., not so. There is nothing stopping Jason Young from filing a claim. Our insurance processes are controlled by state statutes.

He didn't have the guts to file for divorce why would he file for a life insurance payout?

[JHP]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints



There has been some rumor and discussions about that.

However, I have never read anything that confirms any truth to that rumor.

Is it also a rumor the $1M LI was purchased 1-month prior to the car accident in April 2006?

The only factual info that I've read is that the LI policy does exist! It's also part of the ongoing investigation!

What month did the Young family travel to California? IIRC it was July. But I think that was rumor also, I wonder how long they were in California?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by singaporesling


From what I remember this was speculation, it was never proven as fact. It may have been presented as fact from the JY camp hoping to implicate Meredith.

I agree! That change of guardianship was one of the first rumors out of the Brevard Rumor Mill that was suggestive of implicating Meredith and then more rumors of implication followed, and have never stopped.

It might later be proved that Meredith was originally intended to be the guardian of Cassidy.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by singaporesling


He didn't have the guts to file for divorce why would he file for a life insurance payout?
Huh? Divorce? Where did that come from :confused:

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I agree! That change of guardianship was one of the first rumors out of the Brevard Rumor Mill that was suggestive of implicating Meredith and then more rumors of implication followed, and have never stopped.

It might later be proved that Meredith was originally intended to be the guardian of Cassidy.


I wonder if Michelle knew if the guardian was changed.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by JHP
IIRC it was July. But I think that was rumor also, I wonder how long they were in California?


Is it rumor that the LI policy was purchased 1-month (March 2006?) prior to the car accident of April 2006? I wonder when the $1M policy actually became effective? Do you think it automatically became effective on the date of purchase?

The California trip was July 2006, without Michelle?

[JHP]

Originally posted by Gracia



Hi JHP! :seeya:

I agree with you that any amount of time alone in the home was too long for Cassidy, a 2 year old!
It's difficult to imagine that at all really! But, i think when the arrest happens, we'll hear about alot of stuff we won't be able to imagine. :( I truly hope that an arrest does happen! I cannot imagine what the hold up could be :shrug: However I'm sure there's a reason. Have a lovely rest of the evening.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by springflowers35



I wonder if Michelle knew if the guardian was changed.

Have you seen any proof to indicate that it was, in fact, changed?

[JHP]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints



Is it rumor that the LI policy was purchased 1-month (March 2006?) prior to the car accident of April 2006? I wonder when the $1M policy actually became effective? Do you think it automatically became effective on the date of purchase?

The California trip was July 2006, without Michelle? I had never heard when the LI was purchased. Only that there was one. I don't know how effective dates work? sorry.

Wasn't it said Michelle and Cassidy went to NY in June. And Jason and his family went in July before he started his new job?

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints



Is it rumor that the LI policy was purchased 1-month (March 2006?) prior to the car accident of April 2006? I wonder when the $1M policy actually became effective? Do you think it automatically became effective on the date of purchase?

The California trip was July 2006, without Michelle?

April, insurance policy

May, car accident

And i don't know if the guardianship changed.

[JHP]

Originally posted by Gracia



I've heard that all dna/lab results are still not in, due to state forensic lab backed up! I hadn't really thought about it but maybe some tests take longer. And maybe sometimes they have to retest. Maybe it will be soon. It's almost been 11 months.

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by Gracia



Wow, that really looks bad when you see it posted right out in front of your eyes!

If that's so, just those facts alone would jump out at LE, wouldn't it? It sure jumps out at me!!!


Gracia, the same thing happened to me when I looked at Scout's calendar on her blog. Michelle had a rough October. I hope she was at least happy doing the Halloween festivities with her daughter. Take a look at the calendar if you get a chance. jmo

[JHP]

Posters have a lovely evening. It's been very calm in here tonight. I hope it stays that way:)

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by alter ego

Huh? Divorce? Where did that come from :confused:

the same place all the other gossip comes from.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by JHP
I had never heard when the LI was purchased. Only that there was one. I don't know how effective dates work? sorry.

Wasn't it said Michelle and Cassidy went to NY in June. And Jason and his family went in July before he started his new job?

News media has never reported when the life insurance was purchased.

:shrug:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by JHP
I had never heard when the LI was purchased. Only that there was one. I don't know how effective dates work? sorry.

Wasn't it said Michelle and Cassidy went to NY in June. And Jason and his family went in July before he started his new job?

If you google

is there a waiting period before a life insurance policy becomes effective

you can see that there is typically a waiting period before the actual policy becomes effective. most insurance plans have a 90 day waiting period, depending upon who the insurance carrier is.

in the $1M LI Young family scenario, if it was officially purchased in April 2006, it might not have become effective/collectable until 90 days thereafter< July 2006 or the 1st day of the month in July or 1st day in August 2006; all depending upon how the policy is written.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by JustFacts


News media has never reported when the life insurance was purchased.

:shrug:

the Life Insurance policy might have been one that became available through Michelle's employer, Progress Energy.

what does search warrant say about the ins policy? does it give the name of the insurance company?

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by Gracia


spring, I forgot the link to scout's blog?
Can you post it?

tia. :)


This is to the calendar

http://freecal.brownbearsw.com/MichelleYoung?Op=ShowIt&Date=2006-11-01


and this is the blog itself

http://frictionpowered.blogspot.com/

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by springflowers35



This is to the calendar

http://freecal.brownbearsw.com/MichelleYoung?Op=ShowIt&Date=2006-11-01


and this is the blog itself
http://frictionpowered.blogspot.com/

Both the calendar and the blog are very interesting. Thanks for posting the links!

I often make reference to the calendar, but haven't taken the opportunity to read scout's recent blog entries. I thought the blog entry about stan tribble was very interesting and comparing that case to the murder investigation of Michelle.

Jenna Neilsen's murder investigation in Raleigh is very pertinent because I believe her killer is a danger to the public.

[Surfside6]

the only suspicious thing about the 911 call is why meredith was sent over there by jason and had to make the call in the first place.

imo

[tiny paw-prints]

Employed with a Fortune 500 Company, I believe the employee can later elect to increase the life ins policy offered by the employer?

I found this August 2006 article and thought it was kind of interesting, although it relates to health ins benefits.

Utility to offer benefits to partners

http://www.newsobserver.com/104/story/476473.html

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Might be true in Australia but in the U.S., not so. There is nothing stopping Jason Young from filing a claim. Our insurance processes are controlled by state statutes.

I'm not talking about in Australia. I know for a fact that is the case in California and doubt it would be significantly different in any other State. Most insurance companies, worldwide, adopt the same policy with regard to paying out claims pursuant to a homicide.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I agree! That change of guardianship was one of the first rumors out of the Brevard Rumor Mill that was suggestive of implicating Meredith and then more rumors of implication followed, and have never stopped.

It might later be proved that Meredith was originally intended to be the guardian of Cassidy.

That was probably put out there in the hopes of the Young family getting custody of Cassidy when JY goes to prison, imo.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


I'm not talking about in Australia. I know for a fact that is the case in California and doubt it would be significantly different in any other State. Most insurance companies, worldwide, adopt the same policy with regard to paying out claims pursuant to a homicide.

The Young murder took place in the state of North Carolina not California. Insurance statutes are by state and policy procedures are unique to a company as long as they adhere to statute. You are clueless as to the name of the carrier of the Young's policy nor do you know the terms. Impossible to take you seriously, imo.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by JustFacts


The Young murder took place in the state of North Carolina not California. Insurance statutes are by state and policy procedures are unique to a company as long as they adhere to statute. You are clueless as to the name of the carrier of the Young's policy nor do you know the terms. Impossible to take you seriously, imo.




I sincerely doubt Jason is in receipt of any $1M. At this point, I don't believe the name of the ins co is important.


Maybe the $1M LI policy was canceled just prior to the murder and Jason wasn't aware of it? If Michelle was seeing a therapist because she thought her husband was trying to kill her, she might have canceled the policy without him knowing it.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by JustFacts


The Young murder took place in the state of North Carolina not California. Insurance statutes are by state and policy procedures are unique to a company as long as they adhere to statute. You are clueless as to the name of the carrier of the Young's policy nor do you know the terms. Impossible to take you seriously, imo.

Like you're someone who everyone hangs on to your words!!! I have enough experience in Life Insurance from a legal standpoint to know that most insurance companies have the same policy with regard to paying out claims pursuant to a homicide. If you want to continue living in your land of delusion that all the murderer has to do is lodge a claim and the IC is obliged to pay said claim, be my guest. :lol: