Sunday Sept 23rd, 2007 Michelle Young

[springflowers35]

Good morning, all!

I hope you are enjoying your weekend.

[Dida]

Good morning, and thank you for starting a new thread.

I will move my question here:

There was an interesting discussion last night regarding luggage. Is there any concrete information about the luggage examined by LE?

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by RPD


Other than the items seized and itemized in the SW, there is no credible information on the number, descriptions and to whom the various luggage items belonged to. imo

That is unfortunate. It would be very telling, imo, to know whether there were clothes for more than an overnight business trip.

jmo

[Tacori]

Originally posted by Dida
Good morning, and thank you for starting a new thread.

I will move my question here:

There was an interesting discussion last night regarding luggage. Is there any concrete information about the luggage examined by LE?

jmo

Luggage confiscated

"When Jason Young arrived back in the Raleigh area, the sheriff's office impounded his sport utility vehicle with all of the luggage belonging to him, his mother, sister and brother-in-law, he said.

McIntyre said he told Jason Young to get a lawyer. He said he was afraid that police would pin the death on his stepson, regardless of evidence.

"I do not want my son to be talking to any type of investigators," he said. "They're not going to be trustworthy when they talk to him."

McIntyre criticized the sheriff's office for not immediately returning the belongings, which included medical prescriptions, purses and cell phones.

The items will be returned once investigators are finished with them, said Phyllis Stephens, spokeswoman for the sheriff's office."

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/507222.html

[Dida]

I just reviewed the search warrants again, and did not see one for the contents of the SUV. Has it been released?

jmo

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Dida


That is unfortunate. It would be very telling, imo, to know whether there were clothes for more than an overnight business trip.

jmo

I agree. It's quite possible and likely that Jason might have unloaded a few of his luggage pieces in Brevard to make room for his parent's luggage before returning to Raleigh.

However, evidence of a "messy" or empty closet (lack of his clothes and shoes) might form the basis of his having taken more luggage from the house even tho the SUV was absent of several pieces of his luggage.


eta: I think he probably unloaded all of his luggage in Brevard, repacked, and then re-loaded only 1-2 pieces of his luggage.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Dida
Good morning, and thank you for starting a new thread.

I will move my question here:

There was an interesting discussion last night regarding luggage. Is there any concrete information about the luggage examined by LE?

jmo

Hi Everyone!

Personally, I don't believe there was anything of evidentiary value among the garments, other than a means of obtaining DNA samples from the uncooperative wearers perhaps.

JY had ample time to dispose of/launder items of clothing he might have worn that fateful night.

IMO

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I agree. It's quite possible and likely that Jason might have unloaded a few of his luggage pieces in Brevard to make room for his parent's luggage before returning to Raleigh.

However, evidence of a "messy" or empty closet (lack of his clothes and shoes) might form the basis of his having taken more luggage from the house even tho the SUV was absent of several pieces of his luggage.


eta: I think he probably unloaded all of his luggage in Brevard, repacked, and then re-loaded only 1-2 pieces of his luggage.


Okay, sometimes I am a little slow! So it was Jason's closet that was a mess? A mess like Michelle grabbed clothes out of there and packed FOR him maybe? Or someone was angry and grabbing things out of there?

[Dida]

This discussion raises a new set of questions for me.

Would a SW be required for the SUV and its contents? If so, it apparently has not been released. Does that mean there are other SWs that have not been released?

In what way, exactly, was the closet "messy"? Did it appear as though many of the contents were missing?

How long would it have been before the crime scene was released and JY allowed back into the house to retrieve his personal belongings/clothing? Did he indeed have clothing in luggage that he left at his parents' home?

jmo

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by RPD


Page 4

Only 12 items listed. Is there a missing page for items #13 + ?
http://html.wral.com/asset/news/local/2007/01/05/1127622/Young_Warrant_1-5-07.swf


How old is Cassidy now? The search warrant calls her a 3 year old then, so I am wondering.

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by RPD



Hard to say ? Mine is always a mess and I am a good boy.:D


With all the troll activity, I am forgetting some little things. Good thing is, the prosecutors will have it all in a nice package to present to the jury. I wonder how long it will take to present their case.

[Dida]

Originally posted by RPD


Dida, see the link I posted above. This is the SW for the SUV.

RPD, the link does not work for me. Is your link for the SW that includes the airline ticket?

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by RPD


She was 2 at the time.


That's what I thought. Thanks :seeya:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by springflowers35



Okay, sometimes I am a little slow! So it was Jason's closet that was a mess? A mess like Michelle grabbed clothes out of there and packed FOR him maybe? Or someone was angry and grabbing things out of there?

I believe the "messy" closet was an unsubstantiated rumor (((where it later took on the spin of a robbery, which then spun into the missing jewelry and jewelry box drawers)))?

Personally, I believe there was a "messy" closet, but not sure why it was messy or seemingly important enough to later spin the other stuff.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Dida


(snipped)

How long would it have been before the crime scene was released and JY allowed back into the house to retrieve his personal belongings/clothing?

I don't believe Jason ever requested any of his personal belongings/clothes from the Birchleaf house during the 13-14 days of the secured crime scene.

Maybe he felt as tho he had sufficient personal belongings/clothes & shoes to last him until the crime scene was released or maybe he borrowed some clothes from a friend or his BIL?

[Dida]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I don't believe Jason ever requested any of his personal belongings/clothes from the Birchleaf house during the 13-14 days of the secured crime scene.

Maybe he felt as tho he had sufficient personal belongings/clothes & shoes to last him until the crime scene was released or maybe he borrowed some clothes from a friend or his BIL?

True, I suppose he could easily have borrowed enough clothes.

jmo

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by RPD
===IMPORTANT===

Look carefully at page 4 - items seized. At the bottom of that page it says 'over". You can see barely see the other side showing through the copy......item 13, 14 and 15 are there :eek:

Guess i will be going down to the Clerk of Court Monday to see what these items are :read:

http://html.wral.com/asset/news/local/2007/01/05/1127622/Young_Warrant_1-5-07.swf

Yes, I can see the word "over", and a couple of inches below that, what might be another circled number, although I can't make it out.

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by RPD
===IMPORTANT===

Look carefully at page 4 - items seized. At the bottom of that page it says 'over". You can see barely see the other side showing through the copy......item 13, 14 and 15 are there :eek:

Guess i will be going down to the Clerk of Court Monday to see what these items are :read:

http://html.wral.com/asset/news/local/2007/01/05/1127622/Young_Warrant_1-5-07.swf


Thank you, RPD!

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by RPD



Hard to say ? Mine is always a mess and I am a good boy.:D

Prove it? Not so easy is it? . JMO:D

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by RPD
===IMPORTANT===

Look carefully at page 4 - items seized. At the bottom of that page it says 'over". You can see barely see the other side showing through the copy......item 13, 14 and 15 are there :eek:

Guess i will be going down to the Clerk of Court Monday to see what these items are :read:

http://html.wral.com/asset/news/local/2007/01/05/1127622/Young_Warrant_1-5-07.swf

Yes, I can see it too, RPD!

Items 1-12 are listed on page 4 to the very bottom of that page and the form itself indicates "(over)" and I can also see thru to the other side of that page where it indicates items 13, 14, 15 are listed. Wow. Good job in spotting that!

[Tacori]

Originally posted by RPD
===IMPORTANT===

Look carefully at page 4 - items seized. At the bottom of that page it says 'over". You can see barely see the other side showing through the copy......item 13, 14 and 15 are there :eek:

Guess i will be going down to the Clerk of Court Monday to see what these items are :read:

http://html.wral.com/asset/news/local/2007/01/05/1127622/Young_Warrant_1-5-07.swf

13. 1 Dell computer with black case. Latitude D620

14. Assorted papers

15. Precision Tune work order July 14, 2006.

jmo

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Tacori


13. 1 Dell computer with black case. Latitude D620

14. Assorted papers

15. Precision Tune work order July 14, 2006.

jmo

Thanks, Tacori!

Now I don't have to find my trusty magnifying mirror!

[Tacori]

Originally posted by RPD


Thanks. Saved me a trip. I always used the WRAL SW link.

Please post the link that has the full info.

YW. I don't know why the link didn't show up. Sorry.

http://abclocal.go.com/images/wtvd/pdf/youngsearchwarrant2.pdf

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by RPD
I am shocked they did not seize luggage from the SUV .

Trace evidence in JY's bags ??????

Not to mention accounting for the cloths that GA girl saw him in Thursday night. :shrug:


Imagine LE's horror when they also realized JY was out of town and his alibi checked out nicely. Sometimes the sun really can shine. IMO

Justice:)

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by RPD
I am shocked they did not seize luggage from the SUV .

Trace evidence in JY's bags ??????

Not mention accounting for the cloths that GA girl saw him in Thursday night. :shrug:

I thought Heather and her husband caravaned in their own vehicle, so maybe Jason's luggage was in their car? Maybe he intended to ride with them but changed his mind at the last minute?


eta: Don't they also own a sports utility vehicle?

[Dida]

Originally posted by Tacori


YW. I don't know why the link didn't show up. Sorry.

http://abclocal.go.com/images/wtvd/pdf/youngsearchwarrant2.pdf

Thanks, Tacori!

[Dida]

Originally posted by RPD
I am shocked they did not seize luggage from the SUV .

Trace evidence in JY's bags ??????

Not to mention accounting for the cloths that GA girl saw him in Thursday night. :shrug:

Maybe there was no luggage in the SUV. Maybe the luggage was still in Brevard.

jmo

[JHP]

Originally posted by RPD

I thought they all piled in the SUV...JY, Mommy, heather and Joe at the wheel. Where was Jasons step father?

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by RPD

I thought they all piled in the SUV...JY, Mommy, heather and Joe at the wheel.

I wonder when Mommy Fisher heard the news? Did she head over after the news?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by ReedJ



Imagine LE's horror when they also realized JY was out of town and his alibi checked out nicely. Sometimes the sun really can shine. IMO

Justice:)

Yes, as the world turns!

Full moon on Wed, 9/26.

[JHP]

Originally posted by RPD


He came later..... Thanks. So basically everyone that went on the Califonia trip were in that car? Interesting

[Dida]

Originally posted by ReedJ


I wonder when Mommy Fisher heard the news? Did she head over after the news?

Wouldn't you, if your daughter had been brutally murdered?

[JHP]

Originally posted by JHP
Thanks. So basically everyone that went on the California trip were in that car? Interesting

[Dida]

Originally posted by JHP
Thanks. So basically everyone that went on the Califonia trip were in that car? Interesting

Is that the beginning of a line of thought, JHP?

[Tacori]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I thought Heather and her husband caravaned in their own vehicle, so maybe Jason's luggage was in their car? Maybe he intended to ride with them but changed his mind at the last minute?


eta: Don't they also own a sports utility vehicle?

I wonder why McIntyre said they did? What ever happened to those winter coats?

From the link above: "When Jason Young arrived back in the Raleigh area, the sheriff's office impounded his sport utility vehicle with all of the luggage belonging to him, his mother, sister and brother-in-law, he said."

Didn't Heather and Joe have a Mitsubishi SUV at the time?

[JHP]

Originally posted by Dida


Is that the beginning of a line of thought, JHP? Actually it is. And I can't stay but I'll try to come back later and post some other thoughts. JMO

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by Dida


Wouldn't you, if your daughter had been brutally murdered?


Yes, and she probably didn't have to gather the posse and wait half the afternoon for everyone else before heading to Raleigh.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by RPD


He came later.....

Interesting!

For what logical reason would he have come later?

By 3:30pm when Jason pulled into the driveway, McIntyre was already there!!! Maybe he spent that time looking at the family's financial structure and preparing by phone to retain a lawyer for Jason?

Did McIntyre arrive in Raleigh the following day on 11/5, after the banks had opened? 11/5 was a Saturday, right?

[Dida]

Originally posted by agathachristie



Wasn't there lengthy discussions early on about them stopping

at the hotel before they went to the house ?

It had to do with someone posting they arrived at midnight ?

People were questioning if they left Brevard at 3:30 what took so

long ?

They confiscated the car at 3:00 a.m.

I'll go back and check the time on the SW .

Wait a minute. They stopped at a hotel before going to get CY?

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by Dida


Wait a minute. They stopped at a hotel before going to get CY?


I think it's been stated many times that they were "not worried" about Cassidy because she was safely with Meredith. Quite a contradiction if you ask me!

[Dida]

Originally posted by springflowers35



I think it's been stated many times that they were "not worried" about Cassidy because she was safely with Meredith. Quite a contradiction if you ask me!

Quite a contradiction, indeed, but, that aside, in that situation, I would not have been able to get to my daughter/granddaughter quickly enough.

jmo

[Tacori]

Originally posted by agathachristie



Wasn't there lengthy discussions early on about them stopping

at the hotel before they went to the house ?

It had to do with someone posting they arrived at midnight ?

People were questioning if they left Brevard at 3:30 what took so

long ?

They confiscated the car at 3:00 a.m.

I'll go back and check the time on the SW .

I remember something about that. It's been so long. Was an 'Extended StayAmerica' mentioned?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I thought Heather and her husband caravaned in their own vehicle, so maybe Jason's luggage was in their car? Maybe he intended to ride with them but changed his mind at the last minute?


eta: Don't they also own a sports utility vehicle?

Hi TinyPawPrints,

OR he knew that his stuff would be safer in another vehicle. They had to have known that anything in his car would be confiscated, so why complain about it when they took his Mom's stuff?

Guess they had to keep his "Sunday go to meeting" suit and red tie at the ready.:shrug:

MOO

Swabby

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida


Wouldn't you, if your daughter had been brutally murdered?

I bet Linda Fisher fell plumb to her knees when she heard the news. imo

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by RPD
There are obviously missing SW's. Unless executed in Wake County, they are returned to the jurisdiction where obtained.
Notice the SW for MM's computer. This was to examine the hard drive in Raleigh (SW needed). They mention a SW for MM's residence but the actual warrant is not published (would be in Florida).

1- Hampton Inn / Hillsville Va SW ?

2- Mrs. Young's Brevard residence SW for JY's luggage ?

The Young's Brevard residence SW for JY's luggage?

Maybe that's why McIntyre came later? Maybe a SW at their residence delayed his trip to Raleigh with the other family members?

[Dida]

Originally posted by RPD


This is another example of sloppy reporting by the N&O. They 'assumed' they confiscated luggage based on what McIntyre said about the cell phones and medications. After the warrants were returned, we see there was no luggage.

Apparently, the luggage was at the hotel. They stopped at a hotel?????? Interesting priorities.

jmo

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by RPD


Go somewhere else and tell your sick jokes :flamemad: :cuss:

I'm not the one joking.

[Dida]

Originally posted by RPD


Go somewhere else and tell your sick jokes :flamemad: :cuss:

Some things do not need to be dignified with a response, RPD. Some things reflect so strongly on the author, they are best left standing.

jmo

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida


Apparently, the luggage was at the hotel. They stopped at a hotel?????? Interesting priorities.

jmo

Classic blame the male. I knew it all along. JMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Interesting!

For what logical reason would he have come later?

By 3:30pm when Jason pulled into the driveway, McIntyre was already there!!! Maybe he spent that time looking at the family's financial structure and preparing by phone to retain a lawyer for Jason?

Did McIntyre arrive in Raleigh the following day on 11/5, after the banks had opened? 11/5 was a Saturday, right?

Maybe he had to do some stuff, like laundry or carry off the trash all of a sudden. :shrug:

MOO

Swabby

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida


Some things do not need to be dignified with a response, RPD. Some things reflect so strongly on the author, they are best left standing.

jmo

It's a two way street. You act like JY was never mocked for his grief and all I said was that I bet Linda Fisher fell plumb to her knees which is a popular saying in that state. IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by RPD



If we believe the retired teacher, they drove straight to MF's house in Fuquay Varina, arriving in about 5 hours at 9 pm.

Well, honestly, I would much prefer to believe that.

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Deanna55


Wondering if the male population knows they have you for their spokesman .....

:beer:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Hi TinyPawPrints,

OR he knew that his stuff would be safer in another vehicle. They had to have known that anything in his car would be confiscated, so why complain about it when they took his Mom's stuff?

Guess they had to keep his "Sunday go to meeting" suit and red tie at the ready.:shrug:

MOO

Swabby

I'm really curious as to why McIntyre came later!

He seems to be the one that was mostly quoted in the initial reports.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Deanna55


Wondering if the male population knows they have you for their spokesman .....

Wonder if the female population knows you are.

:beer: imo

[on the go]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I'm really curious as to why McIntyre came later!

He seems to be the one that was mostly quoted in the initial reports.

He seemed to be the one "in charge". Why wouldn't he have made the trip with this wife and stepson, especially if he believed LE would be waiting for them in MF's house?

[Dida]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I'm really curious as to why McIntyre came later!

He seems to be the one that was mostly quoted in the initial reports.

That may have a simple explanation. That trip is a bit too much to do twice over a period of days. He could well have needed to "put things in order" for an extended absence.

jmo

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Okay. Would it take 6 hours to obtain a SW ?

No, it would not have taken 6hrs to obtain the SW for the SUV.

I always thought the family arrived in Raleigh closer to midnight, but maybe not?

IIRC, the SW for the SUV was obtained at approx 3:15am on 11/5, a Saturday. But, I also think it's previously been mentioned somewhere at some time that whichever police officer obtained that SW had taken quite a bit of time in returning it, for some strange reason.

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by on the go


He seemed to be the one "in charge". Why wouldn't he have made the trip with this wife and stepson, especially if he believed LE would be waiting for them in MF's house?


Maybe that's how Jason learned to let the women handle things :shrug:

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by RPD


I was trying to be polite. What I really meant would get me banned. ;)

Feeling is mutual. imo

[Dida]

Originally posted by RPD



That time line for arrival was never published. The ONLY information we have is from the retired school teacher.
Believable :shrug:

For this, it probably is believable. jmo

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida


Do you wish to discuss this case?

Sure, of course.

[Dida]

Originally posted by ReedJ


Sure, of course.

Then would you please do so.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by agathachristie



You may be correct , but I think they arrived later than that , closer to midnight , then all the commotion began . I wish I could recall who posted that . It was not the familiar poster but someone else who described the scene . They were very offended by the lights and sirens , thought it was unnecessary . When that came out many posters had the same response as Dida . Hurrying to get to the little girl , yet arriving so late ? Does anybody else remember this stuff ?

MOO

Yes, Aggie! I recall all of what you post above.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Deanna55


IMO your sanity is in question here....this is not about WINNING A CASE at all. It is about finding the killer of Michelle Young and that is all it is about. JUSTICE for a MURDER ..... PERIOD

If it is my belief that JY is innocent than why would I not want him to win the case?

[Dida]

Originally posted by RPD


Never fails. They always plant one of their trolls to derail the discussion.:cuss:

Shall we continue, while the board is open?

[Dida]

It is interesting that LE was at Meredith's home. It implies they may have had some communication with her, in order to know that JY would be there.

jmo

[Tacori]

Originally posted by agathachristie



You may be correct , but I think they arrived later than that , closer to midnight , then all the commotion began . I wish I could recall who posted that . It was not the familiar poster but someone else who described the scene . They were very offended by the lights and sirens , thought it was unnecessary . When that came out many posters had the same response as Dida . Hurrying to get to the little girl , yet arriving so late ? Does anybody else remember this stuff ?

MOO

I remember it , Aggie. I also remember 3 pieces of luggage. Unfortunately, those posts are gone so this is just my opinion. ;)

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by RPD


Never fails. They always plant one of their trolls to derail the discussion.:cuss:

Do you ever stop to think that you can be viewed as a troll? for constanly slanting JY as the killer to take away from discovering someone else is the killer? think about it. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by ReedJ


Do you ever stop to think that you can be viewed as a troll? for constanly slanting JY as the killer to take away from discovering someone else is the killer? think about it. jmo

I thought you were going to discuss the CASE. jmo

[Tacori]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Yes, Aggie! I recall all of what you post above.

Oh good, I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers it! :)

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida


I thought you were going to discuss the CASE. jmo

No problem BUT you should address your friends. imo

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by RPD



That time line for arrival was never published. The ONLY information we have is from the retired school teacher.
Believable :shrug:

I agree that timeline of their arrival to Raleigh was never published (it's also why I believe the B.R.T. can spin it anyway he deems might be believable)!

It's my thinking that the family arrived later than 9pm and before midnight based on the fact that the Sheriff seemed anxious in knowing their approx arrival time because of what he said to Patricia Young on the phone (i.e., he better be with you).

[Dida]

Can anyone imagine what that day much have been like for Meredith? Finding her sister brutally murdered. Trying to console her little niece. Waiting hours for her BIL to arrive, and then to have his arrival heralded by lights and sirens. How utterly traumatic.

jmo

[Falstaff]

Mommy Fisher knew about the murder before the 911 operator.

>>I wonder when Mommy Fisher heard the news? Did she head over after the news? <<

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida
Can anyone imagine what that day much have been like for Meredith? Finding her sister brutally murdered. Trying to console her little niece. Waiting hours for her BIL to arrive, and then to have his arrival heralded by lights and sirens. How utterly traumatic.

jmo

At first I thought it must have been traumatic but since then I have changed my opinion about her. jmo

[Tacori]

Originally posted by agathachristie



Thanks, Tacori . Can you recall who posted the luggage info ?

Yes. I'll pm you.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by agathachristie



I've gotten a lot of things confused , but I have a vivid recollection of this. I just wish I could recall who described that whole scene . Can you recall who it was ? I don't think it was the Brevardian . It was someone else .

I don't recall exactly who initially posted the info, but I believe it was later posted by a few people. I think the sirens and lights were probably not expected or maybe unwarranted, and then the scene became exaggerated and began to spin with the comments such as Jason was crying, bad cops, took meds and winter coats, etc.

If true, I don't believe the sirens and lights were totally unreasonable. I was kinda surprised that 'bad cops had their guns drawn' didn't begin to spin!

[Dida]

Originally posted by agathachristie


She had to be emotionally drained and exhausted ,and the Young family, as well . What a nightmare ! I read on another board that MY's mother arrived earlier in the day , yet there was never any mention of her being at the sister's house when they arrived . Again, all rumors . I wonder if we will ever know how it all went down .

MOO

You are right, it would have been a nightmare for both families. I suppose we will have to wait for a trial to learn exactly what transpired that evening.

jmo

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida


You are right, it would have been a nightmare for both families. I suppose we will have to wait for a trial to learn exactly what transpired that evening.

jmo

Wow. I have to give you credit for acknowledging it was traumtic for the Youngs. JMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Public Announcement:

Please report the trolls to the moderator or

Stop Feeding Them! TIA

[Dida]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints
Public Announcement:

Please report the trolls to the moderator or

Stop Feeding Them! TIA

Thank you for the timely reminder. :)

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints
Public Announcement:

Please report the trolls to the moderator or

Stop Feeding Them! TIA

I'm giving them a little latitude but perhaps in the future I will. Thank-you.

[Dida]

Originally posted by springflowers35



Okay, sometimes I am a little slow! So it was Jason's closet that was a mess? A mess like Michelle grabbed clothes out of there and packed FOR him maybe? Or someone was angry and grabbing things out of there?

I am re-quoting this, to bring it forward. I, too, wonder if perhaps there were packing for more than a business trip.

jmo

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida


I am re-quoting this, to bring it forward. I, too, wonder if perhaps there were packing for more than a business trip.

jmo

What do you mean? Please explain?

[Dida]

Also, the friends that were coming in for the weekend - were they her friends, his friends or their friends? Does anyone know? TIA

[Dida]

Originally posted by RPD

His friend from NCSU and his wife

Thanks, RPD.

[Tacori]

Originally posted by RPD


That post was rumors about what JY took leaving Birchleaf, not what was in his SUV later.

Yes, I know.

If he left with a certain amount of luggage and didn't return with it, where did it go?

[Dida]

Originally posted by Tacori


Yes, I know.

If he left with a certain amount of luggage and didn't return with it, where did it go?

To Brevard?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by RPD


That post was rumors about what JY took leaving Birchleaf, not what was in his SUV later.

Correct. I agree.

[Dida]

Another question: What is the source of the explanation for the side trip to Brevard after the business meeting? TIA

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by RPD

His friend from NCSU and his wife

I believe that's true, but I also believe they were all friends with one another.

[cognac]

Originally posted by Dida


True, I suppose he could easily have borrowed enough clothes.

jmo

Well the suit he wore to the funeral looked like it fit him.
Convenient that he packed a suit for his trivial meeting....and the funeral.jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by cognac


Well the suit he wore to the funeral looked like it fit him.
Convenient that he packed a suit for his trivial meeting....and the funeral.jmo

Maybe he can wear clothes off the rack?

[on the go]

Originally posted by Dida
Another question: What is the source of the explanation for the side trip to Brevard after the business meeting? TIA

IIRC - a furniture pickup.

[Dida]

Originally posted by on the go


IIRC - a furniture pickup.

Right, but do you remember who said that was the reason? Was it reported in the media, or was it posted here by someone?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by cognac


Well the suit he wore to the funeral looked like it fit him.
Convenient that he packed a suit for his trivial meeting....and the funeral.jmo

I've always thought it was odd that Jason didn't request any personal belongings, clothes or shoes in the initial days. But, maybe he did and we're not aware of it?

I can vividly recall when we watched Peterson-West retrieve some of his personal belongings and clothes from the Covena, Modesto house.

[on the go]

Originally posted by Dida


Right, but do you remember who said that was the reason? Was it reported in the media, or was it posted here by someone?

Read it here, never saw it in the media. Don't know if its rumor or not.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by on the go


IIRC - a furniture pickup.

IIRC, it was "baby furniture" which later took on the spin of "baby decorating items".

[Dida]

Thanks, otg and tpp. But suppose that was not the purpose of the trip? Suppose Michelle had asked him to leave? Suppose, after the fact, it was apparent to the Youngs how that would look? That may explain the hasty retention of legal counsel.

jmo

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by cognac


Well the suit he wore to the funeral looked like it fit him.
Convenient that he packed a suit for his trivial meeting....and the funeral.jmo

I wonder if he wore a suit to his trivial meeting.

Somehow, I doubt it.

[Tacori]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


IIRC, it was "baby furniture" which later took on the spin of "baby decorating items".

Yes, and then didn't it go to antique furniture?

I also recall it said that this person didn't know when "Jason would have another chance to get to Brevard without Michelle and C crowding the car."
:confused:

JMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Dida
Thanks, otg and tpp. But suppose that was not the purpose of the trip? Suppose Michelle had asked him to leave? Suppose, after the fact, it was apparent to the Youngs how that would look? That may explain the hasty retention of legal counsel.

jmo

I think it's possible Jason might have left the house days prior to 11/3 maybe stayed the night at a friend's house, and then later returned to Birchleaf on 11/3 to hastily pack his things but hadn't finished doing so before Michelle got home from work.

I think it was posted that 3-4 pieces of his luggage were seen?

[Dida]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I think it's possible Jason might have left the house days prior to 11/3 maybe stayed the night at a friend's house, and then later returned to Birchleaf on 11/3 to hastily pack his things but hadn't finished doing so before Michelle got home from work.

I think it was posted that 3-4 pieces of his luggage were seen?

Then the furniture story could be a smokescreen.

jmo

[cognac]

Originally posted by Dida


Maybe he can wear clothes off the rack?

Could be but he looks kinda lanky to me.
Plus...I just can't see him wanting to buy a new suit for the funeral of the wife he murdered.jmo

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Tacori


Yes, and then didn't it go to antique furniture?

I also recall it said that this person didn't know when "Jason would have another chance to get to Brevard without Michelle and C crowding the car."
:confused:

JMO

Hi Tacori,

I remember that little gem too. How incredibly insensitive! Looks like he solved the inconvenience of having to travel with all that baby stuff again, as well as his wife. :cuss:

MOO

Swabby

[Dida]

Originally posted by cognac


Could be but he looks kinda lanky to me.
Plus...I just can't see him wanting to buy a new suit for the funeral of the wife he murdered.jmo

People must keep up appearances.

jmo

[JHP]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Hi Tacori,

I remember that little gem too. How incredibly insensitive! Looks like he solved the inconvenience of having to travel with all that baby stuff again, as well as his wife. :cuss:

MOO

Swabby Hi Swabby, But what baby stuff would have been at his parents? Cassidy was only 2 1/2 They hadn't moved since she was a baby had they? There just couldn't have been that much baby stuff there. JMO It wasn't like one of his sisters had had a baby and they shared it with them. JMO

[cognac]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I've always thought it was odd that Jason didn't request any personal belongings, clothes or shoes in the initial days. But, maybe he did and we're not aware of it?

I can vividly recall when we watched Peterson-West retrieve some of his personal belongings and clothes from the Covena, Modesto house.

From the way jy & his family were so uncooperative, I really doubt LE would have done him any favors by letting him or any agent of his enter that house while it was a crime scene.

[JHP]

Hi Swabby, In the above post I wasn't trying to be disagreeable with you. It just hit me that what we were told about the baby stuff couldn't have been true. Just another excuse. JMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Grey Goose

Good point. Don't worry about that one they never learn and soon will be banned AGAIN!

Ten months and still no arrest in this horrible case. I am very glad that Jason has gotten on with his life and is taking good care of his daughter.

imo

Justice for Jason and family.

Me too. That is the best revenge. IMO:seeya:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by JHP
Hi Swabby, But what baby stuff would have been at his parents? Cassidy was only 2 1/2 They hadn't moved since she was a baby had they? There just couldn't have been that much baby stuff there. JMO It wasn't like one of his sisters had had a baby and they shared it with them. JMO

Sorry JHP,

Didn't mean to be confusing.

If he thought Michelle and Cassidy "crowded" a vehicle...
I was talking about all the baby stuff that Jason would have had to travel with, had his son been allowed to be born. :cuss:

MOO,

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by JHP
Hi Swabby, In the above post I wasn't trying to be disagreeable with you. It just hit me that what we were told about the baby stuff couldn't have been true. Just another excuse. JMO

No Problem JHP,

I didn't take it that way at all. :seeya:

MOO

Swabby

[cognac]

Originally posted by Dida


People must keep up appearances.

jmo

Not his style imo. If it was he would have given the 'appearance' that he cared about the murder of his wife these past 10 months.

[JHP]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Sorry JHP,

Didn't mean to be confusing.

If he thought Michelle and Cassidy "crowded" a vehicle...
I was talking about all the baby stuff that Jason would have had to travel with, had his son been allowed to be born. :cuss:

MOO,

Swabby Swabby, You are so right this entire case is so sad. And IMO just unbelievable at times.

[Tacori]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Hi Tacori,

I remember that little gem too. How incredibly insensitive! Looks like he solved the inconvenience of having to travel with all that baby stuff again, as well as his wife. :cuss:

MOO

Swabby

Sad, but true. He did what he wanted to do, when he wanted to do it. Once again, his behavior speaks for itself.

Hi, Swabby!

:seeya:

JMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Tacori


Sad, but true. He did what he wanted to do, when he wanted to do it. Once again, his behavior speaks for itself.

Hi, Swabby!

:seeya:

JMO

Yep, I think his omission in traveling to NY and visit with Michelle's family and friends so close to the time that Michelle lost the baby, coupled with him taking off for CA with his family, speaks volumes. Certainly seems that he did what he wanted, when he wanted, consequences be *D*ed. How horrible for Michelle to have had to live with such an uncaring, unresponsive mate.

It seems to me, that they may have still been living together in Nov. '06, but they were NO LONGER of the same mind.

JMO

Swabby

[Dida]

Originally posted by cognac


Not his style imo. If it was he would have given the 'appearance' that he cared about the murder of his wife these past 10 months.

Perhaps his mother cares about keeping up appearances. jmo

[cognac]

Originally posted by Gracia



Hi cognac! :seeya:

I agree 100%! JY is definately not one that cares about what others think by attempting to give the ' appearance' of 'giving a hoot' about just about anything.

There's alot he would have done, had he cared about keeping up appearances. Like attend a memorial service honoring Michelle's life and memory. Like sitting down, with his lawyers at his side , of course, to answer some neccesaary investigative questions at the WCSD. Like, making sure little Cassidy is visiting with her mother's family members. Like placing a gravestone on Michelle's grave, and making sure there are flowers there also.

Of course the list could go on and on.
No, JY isn't one that cares about giving the appearance that he cares.

:seeya: gracia!
Yes....quite a list.
The only thing he's done is go to the funeral. Mama must have put her foot down.
Can't wait to see him in Court!

[dkny]

Originally posted by Dida


Perhaps his mother cares about keeping up appearances. jmo

Hence the lawyer....

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by cognac


Not his style imo. If it was he would have given the 'appearance' that he cared about the murder of his wife these past 10 months.

LOL. I love how not subjecting yourself to interrogations translates to not caring. That is Hilarious. IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Gracia



It won't be pretty. Because along with Mama, I think JY has convinced himself that he's an innocent man.

I think Mama Fisher has convinced herself about Mere as well. JMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Yep, I think his omission in traveling to NY and visit with Michelle's family and friends so close to the time that Michelle lost the baby, coupled with him taking off for CA with his family, speaks volumes. Certainly seems that he did what he wanted, when he wanted, consequences be *D*ed. How horrible for Michelle to have had to live with such an uncaring, unresponsive mate.

It seems to me, that they may have still been living together in Nov. '06, but they were NO LONGER of the same mind.

JMO

Swabby


...........yet Michelle wanted another child. Hmmmmmmm , seems to me she could've divorced after child one if life was so horrible. JMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by ReedJ



...........yet Michelle wanted another child. Hmmmmmmm , seems to me she could've divorced after child one if life was so horrible. JMO

Perhaps her husband was not cheating on her after the first child.

jmo

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida


Perhaps her husband was not cheating on her after the first child.

jmo

I guess that will be the story.

[Dominique]

Originally posted by Gracia



It won't be pretty. Because along with Mama, I think JY has convinced himself that he's an innocent man.

Or perhaps is convinced that he can "pull the wool" over the public and the court system and have them think he is innocent...he has been successful in that w/a very few, mainly family and the occasional fringe members of society.

It is not pretty...

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida


Perhaps her husband was not cheating on her after the first child.

jmo

I think this is why so many have their panties in a bunch because they are convinced A) He cheated and B) that equals murder when in reality it looks more and more like the " cheating" may not have even been physical but rather some computer chats ...lol and it NEVER automatically makes you a murderer but it does explain why so many want a railroad job in the case. IMO

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by Dida


Perhaps her husband was not cheating on her after the first child.

jmo



Perhaps it was like the first time she got pregnant. I suspect he pressured her right after her miscarriage tho. jmo

[Dominique]

Originally posted by cognac


:seeya: gracia!
Yes....quite a list.
The only thing he's done is go to the funeral. Mama must have put her foot down.
Can't wait to see him in Court!

Ditto!

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Dida


Perhaps her husband was not cheating on her after the first child.

jmo

The known evidence shows that it was in the 3 months prior to her death. If there were other affairs before that it hasn't been published anywhere that I know of.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dominique


Or perhaps is convinced that he can "pull the wool" over the public and the court system and have them think he is innocent...he has been successful in that w/a very few, mainly family and the occasional fringe members of society.

It is not pretty...

LOL. He has actually remained silent....go figure. This case gets better and better. IMO

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by ReedJ


I'm very happy I'm not cool like you folks. jmo. I believe in fairness too bad you never learned that growing up. jmo

Oh please. You just spout the same rubbish day after day and that is being fair.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by springflowers35




Perhaps it was like the first time she got pregnant. I suspect he pressured her right after her miscarriage tho. jmo

Of course he did, he's the big bad man.:rolleyes: IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by cognac


:seeya: gracia!
Yes....quite a list.
The only thing he's done is go to the funeral. Mama must have put her foot down.
Can't wait to see him in Court!

I can't wait to see mama Fisher in court. jmo.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by DesertDreams


If you wish to prove that Jason Young is innocent, and he very well may be, you may want to refrain from using terms like lol (which means laughing out loud) as a matter of decency and respect to the decedent and her family.

It only has to do with the posters , don't spin it otherwise.:seeya: IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by DesertDreams


I am not a spin doctor. Do not spin my words,

Well then .....of course my lol has nothing to do with MY. That is just silly. IMO. I guess we agree.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by DesertDreams


Good, then. Perhaps I took the "lol" the wrong way. This case is so emotional. Maybe I was being overly sensitive. My apologies.

No worries. It's tough sometimes on a message board to fully get where someone is coming from. I assure You I am not laughing at MY. The only people I get into it with are those who have to slant everything against the husband in this case in order to slam him. I'm confident he is innocent and I'm tough to bully. IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by ReedJ


No worries. It's tough sometimes on a message board to fully get where someone is coming from. I assure You I am not laughing at MY. The only people I get into it with are those who have to slant everything against the husband in this case in order to slam him. I'm confident he is innocent and I'm tough to bully. IMO

Why are you so confident he is innocent? His "alibi" does not cover an 11-hour period of time.

jmo

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida


Why are you so confident he is innocent? His "alibi" does not cover an 11-hour period of time.

jmo

I believe that he was out of town and I believe that LE has looked at his Alibi and narrowed it down more than your 11 hour window. I believe that it would be impossible for JY to kill MY and get out of town without making a mistake. There are so many ways he would've easily been caught if he did the crime and I believe that from day one LE has had JY in the cross hairs so there is no doubt in my mind they have taken all the evidence at the crime scene and JY's alibi....sat down and combed over it for hours and hours and days and days but it does not add up to him being the murderer. They would check his receipts make the drive , look for an eyewitness by opening a tip line. Check her body for his hair fallng on top of her dead body at the scene , stuck in her blood , partial prints ....a smear of blood in his car . They have had a body from day one , a suspect from day one and detectives to check it all out for 10 months. I don't consider a person using their rights to respectfully wait for a trial as being Guilty or wearing a red tie to a funeral or saying they fell to their knees when they heard their spouse was dead ( plumb or not) as evidence of lying. Maybe it's because I look at everyone as innocent until it's proven otherwise as opposed to assuming he's Guilty and making HIM prove he is not but my personal opinion is that he is innocent. My only concern is that I know how easliy he could be wrongfully convicted if he doesn't listen to his lawyers or gets slammed by the media and has his jury tainted. JMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by ReedJ


I believe that he was out of town and I believe that LE has looked at his Alibi and narrowed it down more than your 11 hour window. I believe that it would be impossible for JY to kill MY and get out of town without making a mistake. There are so many ways he would've easily been caught if he did the crime and I believe that from day one LE has had JY in the cross hairs so there is no doubt in my mind they have taken all the evidence at the crime scene and JY's alibi....sat down and combed over it for hours and hours and days and days but it does not add up to him being the murderer. They would check his receipts make the drive , look for an eyewitness by opening a tip line. Check her body for his hair fallng on top of her dead body at the scene , stuck in her blood , partial prints ....a smear of blood in his car . They have had a body from day one , a suspect from day one and detectives to check it all out for 10 months. I don't consider a person using their rights to respectfully wait for a trial as being Guilty or wearing a red tie to a funeral or saying they fell to their knees when they heard their spouse was dead ( plumb or not) as evidence of lying. Maybe it's because I look at everyone as innocent until it's proven otherwise as opposed to assuming he's Guilty and making HIM prove he is not but my personal opinion is that he is innocent. My only concern is that I know how easliy he could be wrongfully convicted if he doesn't listen to his lawyers or gets slammed by the media and has his jury tainted. JMO

Reed, that was a very thoughtful response, and I appreciate it. Better yet, I do not see the words "win" or "railroad" in there anywhere, and I appreciate that even more.

You are certainly entitled to believe he is innocent, and I have no problem with that. It would be nice, however, if you accorded other people the right to believe what they believe, as well.

jmo

[alter ego]

Originally posted by ReedJ


I believe that he was out of town and I believe that LE has looked at his Alibi and narrowed it down more than your 11 hour window. I believe that it would be impossible for JY to kill MY and get out of town without making a mistake. There are so many ways he would've easily been caught if he did the crime and I believe that from day one LE has had JY in the cross hairs so there is no doubt in my mind they have taken all the evidence at the crime scene and JY's alibi....sat down and combed over it for hours and hours and days and days but it does not add up to him being the murderer. They would check his receipts make the drive , look for an eyewitness by opening a tip line. Check her body for his hair fallng on top of her dead body at the scene , stuck in her blood , partial prints ....a smear of blood in his car . They have had a body from day one , a suspect from day one and detectives to check it all out for 10 months. I don't consider a person using their rights to respectfully wait for a trial as being Guilty or wearing a red tie to a funeral or saying they fell to their knees when they heard their spouse was dead ( plumb or not) as evidence of lying. Maybe it's because I look at everyone as innocent until it's proven otherwise as opposed to assuming he's Guilty and making HIM prove he is not but my personal opinion is that he is innocent. My only concern is that I know how easliy he could be wrongfully convicted if he doesn't listen to his lawyers or gets slammed by the media and has his jury tainted. JMO

:beer: :beer:

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by ReedJ


I believe that he was out of town and I believe that LE has looked at his Alibi and narrowed it down more than your 11 hour window. I believe that it would be impossible for JY to kill MY and get out of town without making a mistake. There are so many ways he would've easily been caught if he did the crime and I believe that from day one LE has had JY in the cross hairs so there is no doubt in my mind they have taken all the evidence at the crime scene and JY's alibi....sat down and combed over it for hours and hours and days and days but it does not add up to him being the murderer. They would check his receipts make the drive , look for an eyewitness by opening a tip line. Check her body for his hair fallng on top of her dead body at the scene , stuck in her blood , partial prints ....a smear of blood in his car . They have had a body from day one , a suspect from day one and detectives to check it all out for 10 months. I don't consider a person using their rights to respectfully wait for a trial as being Guilty or wearing a red tie to a funeral or saying they fell to their knees when they heard their spouse was dead ( plumb or not) as evidence of lying. Maybe it's because I look at everyone as innocent until it's proven otherwise as opposed to assuming he's Guilty and making HIM prove he is not but my personal opinion is that he is innocent. My only concern is that I know how easliy he could be wrongfully convicted if he doesn't listen to his lawyers or gets slammed by the media and has his jury tainted. JMO

ITA. Some posters are desperately trying to rationalize this is a repeat of the Laci Peterson case but I see this more similar to the Christa Worthington murder. Laci was at first a missing person and there was no bloody crime scene but Christa was found murdered in her home with her toddler nearby, foreign DNA was found and it took nearly 2 years to solve it. jmo

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Gobo
Reedj is right. If Jason had done the deed, he would be in jail by now. LE has combed the evidence for 10 months with no arrest. But they did change the lead investigators recently. That tells me that their first target, Jason, is not the perp. LE lost a lot of time with this theory. The trail is cold. I hope they now will set a different direction to check other theories like the Goth kid, the one armed man, and other likely suspects, like the last person known to be with the victim, or the person who found the victim, etc. It's time that scrutiny be directed at others. It's time that the local rag stop beating the drum about the financially troubled adulterer and start talking about others.

Not necessarily.

[Dida]

Originally posted by Gobo
Reedj is right. If Jason had done the deed, he would be in jail by now. LE has combed the evidence for 10 months with no arrest. But they did change the lead investigators recently. That tells me that their first target, Jason, is not the perp. LE lost a lot of time with this theory. The trail is cold. I hope they now will set a different direction to check other theories like the Goth kid, the one armed man, and other likely suspects, like the last person known to be with the victim, or the person who found the victim, etc. It's time that scrutiny be directed at others. It's time that the local rag stop beating the drum about the financially troubled adulterer and start talking about others.

The one armed man????

[on the go]

Originally posted by DesertDreams


I hadn't heard about the one armed man, either... please elaborate, Gobo.

The "one-armed man" was from a old TV show called The Fugitive where the husband/doctor was fleeing from the law after he was falsely accused of murdering his wife when, in fact, the one-armed man was the murderer. I assume that is the connotation.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by JustFacts


ITA. Some posters are desperately trying to rationalize this is a repeat of the Laci Peterson case but I see this more similar to the Christa Worthington murder. Laci was at first a missing person and there was no bloody crime scene but Christa was found murdered in her home with her toddler nearby, foreign DNA was found and it took nearly 2 years to solve it. jmo
I have often wondered if Michelle's only sister heard of that case and if that is where she came up with the 'did she fall?' question. Note that Christa's toddler, Ava, was removed the house by the person who found her body to spare her additional trauma. He even spelled out 'dead' when talking about Christa in front of Ava. But not Michelle's only sister. :mad:

[lilismom]

Originally posted by alter ego

I have often wondered if Michelle's only sister heard of that case and if that is where she came up with the 'did she fall?' question. Note that Christa's toddler, Ava, was removed the house by the person who found her body to spare her additional trauma. He even spelled out 'dead' when talking about Christa in front of Ava. But not Michelle's only sister. :mad:


AE - why can't you just call her Meredith? Seems beneath you to play the name game.

IMO,
Lilismom

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ReedJ


I think this is why so many have their panties in a bunch because they are convinced A) He cheated and B) that equals murder when in reality it looks more and more like the " cheating" may not have even been physical but rather some computer chats ...lol and it NEVER automatically makes you a murderer but it does explain why so many want a railroad job in the case. IMO


Ah, there it is..."railroad". :)

I'm curious Reed, you said a few pages back that you can't wait to see Linda Fisher in court? Why is that? Her daughter was brutally murdered. It doesn't matter who will be on trial, her heartache is the same. The agony of a trial will the the same.

IMO,
Lilismom

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by alter ego

I have often wondered if Michelle's only sister heard of that case and if that is where she came up with the 'did she fall?' question. Note that Christa's toddler, Ava, was removed the house by the person who found her body to spare her additional trauma. He even spelled out 'dead' when talking about Christa in front of Ava. But not Michelle's only sister. :mad:

Quite ironic that the trial in the Worthington case started the week prior to Michelle's murder and the media covered it heavily.
Yet I rarely see anyone compare it to this case. Instead, it's non-stop comparison to missing person cases like Peterson. :shrug:

[Dida]

Originally posted by DesertDreams


You know, I just recently got up the nerve to listen to the 911 tape. IMHO, when Meredith stated that she is "her only sister" it seemed to me like maybe what she was feeling is that Michelle is her only sister. I would really like for any psychologists/psychiatrists to weigh in on this.

I hear it the same way, DesertDreams. It would be interesting to hear an analysis from professionals, rather than amateurs, imo.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Quite ironic that the trial in the Worthington case started the week prior to Michelle's murder and the media covered it heavily.
Yet I rarely see anyone compare it to this case. Instead, it's non-stop comparison to missing person cases like Peterson. :shrug:


I feel like the comparison is of the husbands, not necessarily the crime itself. Maybe?

IMO,
Lilismom

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by DesertDreams


You know, I just recently got up the nerve to listen to the 911 tape. IMHO, when Meredith stated that she is "her only sister" it seemed to me like maybe what she was feeling is that Michelle is her only sister. I would really like for any psychologists/psychiatrists to weigh in on this.


To me, Meredith was rationalizing in her subconscious that Michelle was dead and she had lost her only sibling. Like, it was just the two of us, and now it's just me, she's gone.:(

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by Dida


I hear it the same way, DesertDreams. It would be interesting to hear an analysis from professionals, rather than amateurs, imo.


I don't consider myself an amateur on this subject of losing an only sister. Trust me, you don't want to visit that arena. There is nothing to analyze other than a person whose heart is laden with the most unbearable sadness that one could imagine.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by lilismom



I feel like the comparison is of the husbands, not necessarily the crime itself. Maybe?

IMO,
Lilismom

I don't know. Seems pointless. Other than both being husbands, what is there to compare? :shrug:

[Dida]

Originally posted by gorealtors



I don't consider myself an amateur on this subject of losing an only sister. Trust me, you don't want to visit that arena. There is nothing to analyze other than a person whose heart is laden with the most unbearable sadness that one could imagine.

Gorealtors, I am so very, very sorry for your loss.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I don't know. Seems pointless. Other than both being husbands, what is there to compare? :shrug:

You can't be serious. The similarities between the husbands are numerous.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Barbara2


You can't be serious. The similarities between the husbands are numerous.

The husbands are both men. Evidently that's all that's needed for some of you. Spin, spin, spin
:santa:

[Dida]

Originally posted by DesertDreams


gorealtors:

I am so sorry for your loss. May God comfort you in your grief.

I will tell you that IMHO, listening to the 911 tape, I thought that Meredith seemed to be a very strong, emotionally mature young woman who walked in an incredibly horrific scene and realized what she was dealing with and dealt with it remarkably.:rose:

ITA. I cannot imagine that experience, and do not want to imagine it. Should I ever find myself in that situation, I would hope to handle it as well as she did.

jmo

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by agathachristie



Well, for starters , they were both attractive , young , couples like

the people who live nextdoor.

No history of domestic violence .

Both women pregnant .

Both husbands were having romantic relationships .

Major difference is that the SP inlaws were in his corner early on .

Another huge difference is that SP yacked up a storm and hung

himself in all the interviews .

MOO Aggie

Both were in sales

Both had shaky employment history

Both had sons on the way

Both had wives who were planning to cut back on work and expect more in terms of financial support from the husband

Both had taken out substantial life insurance policies (on both husband and wife).

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Both were in sales

Both had shaky employment history

Both had sons on the way

Both had wives who were planning to cut back on work and expect more in terms of financial support from the husband

Both had taken out substantial life insurance policies (on both husband and wife).


Good thing you added that last phrase. You know how that cancels the other out :tongue:

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by agathachristie



Well, for starters , they were both attractive , young , couples like

the people who live nextdoor.

No history of domestic violence .

Both women pregnant .

Both husbands were having romantic relationships .

Major difference is that the SP inlaws were in his corner early on .

Another huge difference is that SP yacked up a storm and hung

himself in all the interviews .

MOO Aggie

The world is full of attractive young couples with pregnant wives and hound dog husbands, so that comparison to me is pointless.
There are more differences than similarities between the Peterson and Young cases, imo.

[Dida]

Originally posted by JustFacts


The world is full of attractive young couples with pregnant wives and hound dog husbands, so that comparison to me is pointless.
There are more differences than similarities between the Peterson and Young cases, imo.

Well, at least you admit Jason is a hound dog.

jmo

[5swab5]

Originally posted by DesertDreams


gorealtors:

I am so sorry for your loss. May God comfort you in your grief.

I will tell you that IMHO, listening to the 911 tape, I thought that Meredith seemed to be a very strong, emotionally mature young woman who walked in an incredibly horrific scene and realized what she was dealing with and dealt with it remarkably.:rose:

I agree, sent there by Michelle's all loving, all caring, hereinafter referred to as Michelle's mute husband.

MOO

Swabby

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by springflowers35



Good thing you added that last phrase. You know how that cancels the other out :tongue:

I know. Because she could have just as easily killed him in order to collect on his policy. (But she DIDN'T!) imo

Does anyone seriously think it would not have looked really strange if the husband said, " I think we should take out a million dollar life insurance policy on you but I doubt that I'll die so we don't need one on me, okay?"

[Dida]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I know. Because she could have just as easily killed him in order to collect on his policy. (But she DIDN'T!) imo

Does anyone seriously think it would not have looked really strange if the husband said, " I think we should take out a million dollar life insurance policy on you but I doubt that I'll die so we don't need one on me, okay?"

FWIW, I really believe that the life insurance policies were a part of their estate planning. If the policy on Michelle's life is a motive, it would have been after the fact.

jmo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Both were in sales

Both had shaky employment history

Both had sons on the way

Both had wives who were planning to cut back on work and expect more in terms of financial support from the husband

Both had taken out substantial life insurance policies (on both husband and wife).

What was shaky about either's employment history? Peterson owned a successful restaurant prior to entering sales in the agricultural industry. Young's sales career was progressing upward and he was focused on the high-tech arena.

Laci Peterson had already cut back on her work schedule. Michelle's plans to cut back were still five months away.

It is very common for married couples buying their first house to purchase life insurance policies on each other.

:seeya:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by DesertDreams


Again, I am hoping there are psychologists/psychiatrists lurking here. Having a pregnant wife and going through financial stress seems to be a common denominator in these cases... albeit we do not know if JY is guilty, but there are other, aforementioned,cases where the husband was guilty. The question is, why not just divorce? I know, I know, everyone will say the brut didn't want to pay child support, BUT, wouldn't that be better than the consequences of murder?

Not if a person thinks they are going to get away with it. imo

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JustFacts


What was shaky about either's employment history? Peterson owned a successful restaurant prior to entering sales in the agricultural industry. Young's sales career was progressing upward and he was focused on the high-tech arena.

Laci Peterson had already cut back on her work schedule. Michelle's plans to cut back were still five months away.

It is very common for married couples buying their first house to purchase life insurance policies on each other.



It's possible to explain away each piece individually. When you put it together into the big picture, it looks bad. One is already convicted. The other may be. imo

[Dida]

Originally posted by DesertDreams


So I guess that takes us back again to the narcissistic personality. IMO

It would seem so.

jmo

[alter ego]

Originally posted by JustFacts


What was shaky about either's employment history? Peterson owned a successful restaurant prior to entering sales in the agricultural industry. Young's sales career was progressing upward and he was focused on the high-tech arena.

Laci Peterson had already cut back on her work schedule. Michelle's plans to cut back were still five months away.

It is very common for married couples buying their first house to purchase life insurance policies on each other.

:seeya:
You are absolutely correct on all points!

:beer:

[Dida]

Originally posted by Gracia



Dida, he is confident that he's innocent because he's a man.

It's all aabout male vs female with ReedJ.

I know, Gracia, but he did articulate his position before he left. And very well, imo.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Quite ironic that the trial in the Worthington case started the week prior to Michelle's murder and the media covered it heavily.
Yet I rarely see anyone compare it to this case. Instead, it's non-stop comparison to missing person cases like Peterson. :shrug:

I noticed that too. Even see 'comparisons' drawn where none exist :shrug:

[Dida]

Originally posted by alter ego


I noticed that too. Even see 'comparisons' drawn where none exist :shrug:

Some of us have not drawn comparisons to any other case; myself, for one. I simply am trying to evaluate this case. So shrug away. It will not change the evaluation.

jmo

[5swab5]

Originally posted by JustFacts


The world is full of attractive young couples with pregnant wives and hound dog husbands, so that comparison to me is pointless.
There are more differences than similarities between the Peterson and Young cases, imo.

Care to cite any of them?

MOO

Swabby

[singaporesling]

Originally posted by DesertDreams


Well, at least there is someone else out there. I have been really wondering why more isn't said about the last person known to be with Michelle that evening, aka the GA friend.

But let's not forget the JY was one of the last 2 people to see her alive.

[singaporesling]

Originally posted by cognac


Well the suit he wore to the funeral looked like it fit him.
Convenient that he packed a suit for his trivial meeting....and the funeral.jmo

Very good point. Another interesting tidbit that will hopefully be answered at a later time.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Both were in sales

Both had shaky employment history

Both had sons on the way

Both had wives who were planning to cut back on work and expect more in terms of financial support from the husband

Both had taken out substantial life insurance policies (on both husband and wife).

Hi Barbara,

How about they BOTH made SURE that someone else was around before the ACT?

Scott, met with his SIL for his last "free" haircut, unless you count that the good citizens have, and WILL be cutting his hair for a very long time.

Jason, sacrificed his buddy's wife by leaving town with her sitting right there. While he went out of town basically 12 hours early, only to still arrive late for his appointment,

They both had very good excuses for being out of town, Scott was testing out a new "secret boat/golfishing".

Jason was at a meeting/"swinging by his mom's house"...to either pick up baby stuff/antiques or grab the LAST vestige of an alibi. HomeComing weekend @ NCSU? Yeah, RiiiiighT! Out of town guests?

Unbelievable, but Jason Lynn Young is even MORE pathetic at staging a murder than SP.

Darn that Meredith for not racing to that house earlier!

MOO

Swabby

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Hi Barbara,

How about they BOTH made SURE that someone else was around before the ACT?

Scott, met with his SIL for his last "free" haircut, unless you count that the good citizens have, and WILL be cutting his hair for a very long time.

Jason, sacrificed his buddy's wife by leaving town with her sitting right there. While he went out of town basically 12 hours early, only to still arrive late for his appointment,

They both had very good excuses for being out of town, Scott was testing out a new "secret boat/golfishing".

Jason was at a meeting/"swinging by his mom's house"...to either pick up baby stuff/antiques or grab the LAST vestige of an alibi. HomeComing weekend @ NCSU? Yeah, RiiiiighT! Out of town guests?

Unbelievable, but Jason Lynn Young is even MORE pathetic at staging a murder than SP.

Darn that Meredith for not racing to that house earlier!

MOO

Swabby

That certainly would have made it easier to cast suspicion on her, wouldn't it?

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by DesertDreams


No offense, but in my experience and IMHO, generally if one is employed in what is considered a "good job" there is already life insurance included as one of the perks. When a couple buys a home, it would be more likely to purchase mortgage insurance.

I think Michelle purchased the type of life insurance she felt was best for her family, imo.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I think Michelle purchased the type of life insurance she felt was best for her family, imo.

I'm sure she did. I doubt seriously that she thought her husband was planning to kill her. imo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Barbara2


That certainly would have made it easier to cast suspicion on her, wouldn't it?

she cast suspicion on herself with that funky 911 call, imo.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JustFacts


she cast suspicion on herself with that funky 911 call, imo.

Not in the opinion of those who aren't desperate to find someone other that JY to be the guilty party, imo.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by JustFacts


she cast suspicion on herself with that funky 911 call, imo.


According to you.

And he cast suspicion on himself with the call about the purse document. According to me.

IMO,
Lilismom

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I'm sure she did. I doubt seriously that she thought her husband was planning to kill her. imo

did he think she was planning to kill him? Is it not possible the policies were purchased because a financial adviser suggested it?

[Dida]

Originally posted by lilismom



According to you.

And he cast suspicion on himself with the call about the purse document. According to me.

IMO,
Lilismom

And me.

jmo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by lilismom



According to you.

And he cast suspicion on himself with the call about the purse document. According to me.

IMO,
Lilismom

He cast suspicion on himself by being the victim's husband.

:shrug:

[Dida]

Originally posted by JustFacts


did he think she was planning to kill him? Is it not possible the policies were purchased because a financial adviser suggested it?

I actually believe they were purchased for that reason. I also believe they became a factor in a different way.

jmo

[alter ego]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I think Michelle purchased the type of life insurance she felt was best for her family, imo.
Absolutely, and I would be highly surprised if an accountant purchased mortg ins as it's payout amount is normally tied to the mortg balance and can't be used as a type of investment vehicle. The purchase of a seperate policy was probably the best (and perhaps only) option since LI benefits thru work is normally tied to a salary amt and again, normally can't be used as a type of investment vehicle.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by JustFacts


He cast suspicion on himself by being the victim's husband.

:shrug:

Reed? Is that you? Just kidding.

You know exactly what I meant but just in case.....I believe that if he is the murderer, the purse printout was all a set up to get Meredith there to care for CY. Nothing more. Pretty suspicious to me. :shrug:

Nite gang.

IMO,
Lilismom

[singaporesling]

Originally posted by JustFacts


ITA. Some posters are desperately trying to rationalize this is a repeat of the Laci Peterson case but I see this more similar to the Christa Worthington murder. Laci was at first a missing person and there was no bloody crime scene but Christa was found murdered in her home with her toddler nearby, foreign DNA was found and it took nearly 2 years to solve it. jmo

I watched 48 hours last night--I am thinking you did too. I think it took a year to get the dna sample from the crime scene and then another year to match it to the killer.

If anyone missed it you should read the transcript on CBS from the show. Her former boyfriends (one found the body) and the father of her child all cooperated with the police, especially the father since he had the most motive. LE did not try to railroad him or fabricate evidence.
The show was very touching when her friends said they would make sure that the little daughter would know her Mother through her friends, that her Mom was not forgotten and that she would know how much her Mother loved her.

I wonder if JY's friends could let us know if JY is doing the same for Cassidy.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by JustFacts


He cast suspicion on himself by being the victim's husband.

:shrug:

Investigation 101

[Dida]

Originally posted by alter ego


Investigation 101

And why do you suppose that is?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JustFacts


did he think she was planning to kill him? Is it not possible the policies were purchased because a financial adviser suggested it?

Faulty logic on your part.

If a person decides to benefit from the death of his spouse and decides to take out a life insurance policy and she agrees (policies on both so as not to look suspicious, you know) and she ends up dead, the LI policy is a motive. If HE had ended up dead, we'd be looking at her as the person possibly responsible.

Is that clear now? imo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Faulty logic on your part.

If a person decides to benefit from the death of his spouse and decides to take out a life insurance policy and she agrees (policies on both so as not to look suspicious, you know) and she ends up dead, the LI policy is a motive. If HE had ended up dead, we'd be looking at her as the person possibly responsible.

Is that clear now? imo

Jumping to wild conclusions on your part and your only basis is because Jason Young is the victim's husband.

:no:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Jumping to wild conclusions on your part and your only basis is because Jason Young is the victim's husband.

:no:

Not at all. He may or may not be guilty. The LI policy is a piece of the puzzle that points to his guilt because that would benefit him. That isn't definitive proof that he commited the crime. It's one piece of evidence that the investigators consider. There are others (including the "romantic relationship"). It's not "jumping to wild conclusions". It's looking at the evidence and drawing conclusions.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by alter ego

Absolutely, and I would be highly surprised if an accountant purchased mortg ins as it's payout amount is normally tied to the mortg balance and can't be used as a type of investment vehicle. The purchase of a seperate policy was probably the best (and perhaps only) option since LI benefits thru work is normally tied to a salary amt and again, normally can't be used as a type of investment vehicle.

ITA. Wasn't the life insurance and their finances the subject of a s/w? Surely LE has been able to conclude in ten months whether it is the motive?

[JHP]

Originally posted by JustFacts


ITA. Wasn't the life insurance and their finances the subject of a s/w? Surely LE has been able to conclude in ten months whether it is the motive? Maybe there was more than 1 motive?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JustFacts


ITA. Wasn't the life insurance and their finances the subject of a s/w? Surely LE has been able to conclude in ten months whether it is the motive?

It isn't THE motive (imo). It is a side benefit of the actual motive. Again, imo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Not at all. He may or may not be guilty. The LI policy is a piece of the puzzle that points to his guilt because that would benefit him. That isn't definitive proof that he commited the crime. It's one piece of evidence that the investigators consider. There are others (including the "romantic relationship"). It's not "jumping to wild conclusions". It's looking at the evidence and drawing conclusions.

Can't help but notice detectives are the ones looking at the evidence and you're the one drawing conclusions without seeing the evidence. The life insurance policy is not, in itself, evidence. It is probable cause on a search warrant to determine if Jason was in financial distress. Financial distress is evidence.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Can't help but notice detectives are the ones looking at the evidence and you're the one drawing conclusions without seeing the evidence. The life insurance policy is not, in itself, evidence. It is probable cause on a search warrant to determine if Jason was in financial distress. Financial distress is evidence.

I don't think you're following.

Taking out a large LI policy on a person that ends up dead is evidence. It is one piece. It is not proof. I'm not drawing a conclusion that isn't already drawn by investigators. It is evidence!

[BiggerRedDog]

Originally posted by willow_1
How do you get 11 hours. He called from the motel at 11:00 and he checked out at 7:00. Thats not 11 hours. Has it been confirmed that JY checked out of the hotel at 7:00?

[Tacori]

Originally posted by willow_1
I don't believe there was morgae insurance. If that were the case the house would now be paid off. The life insurance policies both Michelle's and Jason's were purchased when Cassie was born. IMO

I think they took out two mortgages on Birchleaf to avoid having to pay mortgage insurance.

Mortgage insurance is usually required by the 1st lender if there is not an appropriate down payment. Usually 20% equity position.

Mortgage insurance only protects the lender, not the buyer. Mortgage life insurance, or life insurance tied to the value of the mortgage is not mortgage insurance as that term is referred to in the lending industry.

JMO

Edited to clarify.

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Where is it documented that he checked out at 7 am ?

ETA and where is it documented that he called at 11 pm ?


Even so, wouldn't that make his "alibi" even less?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by willow_1


You are absolutely right. LE did the same thing. In the first 48 hours which is crucial to an investigation ,they went after Jason. That gave the real killer or killers time to clean up any evidence that might have been found. IMO

WHAT???

TOD is 12am to 6am.

Meredith found Michelle at 1:30pm.

Where are you getting YOUR 48 hours?

[alter ego]

Originally posted by JustFacts


ITA. Wasn't the life insurance and their finances the subject of a s/w? Surely LE has been able to conclude in ten months whether it is the motive?
Yup. And the fact he hasn't filed a claim shoots a hole in the 'LI is Motive' theory.

[JHP]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Where is it documented that he checked out at 7 am ?

ETA and where is it documented that he called at 11 pm ? You know I think we've been told of an 11 pm call, but the only person who knew who actually called is Michelle. And sadly she can't tell us. JMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by alter ego

Yup. And the fact he hasn't filed a claim shoots a hole in the 'LI is Motive' theory.

Do you happen to have a link that provides info to your FACT that he has NOT yet filed a claim for the life insurance policy?

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by alter ego

Yup. And the fact he hasn't filed a claim shoots a hole in the 'LI is Motive' theory.


Or so he would like for everyone to think. Truth is, the insurance company wouldn't pay it to him if he tried. jmo

[cognac]

Originally posted by singaporesling


***snipped***

I watched 48 hours last night--I am thinking you did too. I think it took a year to get the dna sample from the crime scene and then another year to match it to the killer.



I saw it! It was a year to get the lab results wasn't it? I may be wrong but anyways, when I heard that I immediately thought of this case.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Can't help but notice detectives are the ones looking at the evidence and you're the one drawing conclusions without seeing the evidence. The life insurance policy is not, in itself, evidence. It is probable cause on a search warrant to determine if Jason was in financial distress. Financial distress is evidence.

I believe that we will soon find out that Jason's financial status not only IS, but WAS in shambles.

I predict divorces and books aplenty, once an arrest is made. The only thing "squirrely" in Brevard, is no longer strangely white with long whiskers and tremendous leaping abilities.

JMO

Swabby

[Amy]

Originally posted by springflowers35



Or so he would like for everyone to think. Truth is, the insurance company wouldn't pay it to him if he tried. jmo

And, I don't think he will try---he would have to give a statement. If he in fact killed Michelle, either he would have to admit that, or, if he won't admit it, he would be lying and thereby committing perjury--and I don't think LI co's look upon perjury any more favorably than the courts do.

OTOH--if he is indeed innocent, he should have no problem going for the LI--after all, if it wasn't a motive for murder, and he really doesn't need it, he should certainly claim it and perhaps place it in an interest bearing account (or invest wisely) so that it would be available to their daughter at a future date--say when she wishes to enter college.

IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

You think you know,
but you don't know,
and, you won't know,
until this is all over.

But you are so wrong,
you could not be more wrong,
you are so off base,
so out of left field,
so, off track,
so out of the know,
that you couldn't know,
how wrong you are.

Listen to the 911 call.
How does a murder resemble a fall?.

and, "why oh why" would someone say that?

JMO
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Care to cite any of them?

MOO

Swabby

I'll take this one.

SP had no children, Jason does.
SP lied about being married. Jason did not.
SP claimed to be in Paris when everyone knew he was not.
SP carried on with his g/f even after his wife's disappearance.
SP only had a "missing wife" until she surfaced in the bay where he put her.
SP is on Death Row.
Jason will never be...
JMO
Kat

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Gracia


I'll make a wager that you're exactly right in these summations too, Swab.

Yes JY's not the brightest bulb in the pack, and he's an even worse manager of money. Plus he's put his family through hell,financially draining them as well. It's going to be a real eye opener to some when ' that day' gets here.

And it will.

Does anyone know if Jason is still currently employed?

[Surfside6]

in response to kat's last 2 posts:


oh, brother.:rolleyes:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I'll take this one.

SP had no children, Jason does.
SP lied about being married. Jason did not.
SP claimed to be in Paris when everyone knew he was not.
SP carried on with his g/f even after his wife's disappearance.
SP only had a "missing wife" until she surfaced in the bay where he put her.
SP is on Death Row.
Jason will never be...
JMO
Kat

I'll concede the first and last ones. ALL the rest are UNKNOWN, unless you shared "pillow talk" with Jason?

As for death row, N.C. made some real headway as of this past week towards getting rid of that ridiculous moratorium. So, we shall just have to wait and see on that one.

JMO

Swabby

Eye for an eye, too bad we can't execute murderers twice, when they kill a pregnant woman.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by springflowers35



YES!!!! If people would watch who they quote, it will make life much happier for us all!

And Tiny, I don't know if Jason is still employed or not. I haven't heard. It's kind of a long stint for him to be employed though, isn't it?

If Jason is still employed, I think that's a good thing!

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Amy


And, I don't think he will try---he would have to give a statement. If he in fact killed Michelle, either he would have to admit that, or, if he won't admit it, he would be lying and thereby committing perjury--and I don't think LI co's look upon perjury any more favorably than the courts do.

OTOH--if he is indeed innocent, he should have no problem going for the LI--after all, if it wasn't a motive for murder, and he really doesn't need it, he should certainly claim it and perhaps place it in an interest bearing account (or invest wisely) so that it would be available to their daughter at a future date--say when she wishes to enter college.

IMO

How would the Life Insurance company prove perjury if he hasn't been arrested for murder?

Life insurance claims aren't a matter of public record so he may very well have already filed a claim and received the money, imo.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by 5swab5


I'll concede the first and last ones. ALL the rest are UNKNOWN, unless you shared "pillow talk" with Jason?

As for death row, N.C. made some real headway as of this past week towards getting rid of that ridiculous moratorium. So, we shall just have to wait and see on that one.

JMO

Swabby

Eye for an eye, too bad we can't execute murderers twice, when they kill a pregnant woman.

Why isn't executing once enough for you?

Your shrill rhetoric adds no value to the discussion, imo.

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by 5swab5


I believe that we will soon find out that Jason's financial status not only IS, but WAS in shambles.

I predict divorces and books aplenty, once an arrest is made. The only thing "squirrely" in Brevard, is no longer strangely white with long whiskers and tremendous leaping abilities.

JMO

Swabby

How so? He was married to a financial professional.

I'm sure you think yourself quite clever but really, your second graph makes absolutely no sense.

:shrug:

[Surfside6]

did jason use this company, one like it, or employ some of their techniques to build his false alibi?

http://www.alibinetwork.com/index.jsp

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imo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by Surfside6
did jason use this company, one like it, or employ some of their techniques to build his false alibi?

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imo

I dunno. Maybe you should phone the DA and ask him if he's thought of this?

[seriouslee]

Originally posted by Surfside6
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imo [/B]
.....snipped....

Surf, i heard about this company for the first time last week. While the premise of the company seems less than honorable to me, i suspect they would want no part in providing an alibi for a murderer. If this had been the case for Jason, i suspect that the company would have gone to LE by now. JMO