Abbygail E Dice,1 mo, mom fnd unconcious 9.20.07 St. Thomas Canada{mom chgd}

[kaylynn]

Month-old infant missing in St. Thomas
Last Updated: Friday, September 21, 2007 | 12:09 PM ET
The Canadian Press
Police in St. Thomas, Ont. are continuing a city-wide search for a one-month-old girl who was discovered missing Thursday when police found a woman unconscious in an apartment complex.

An intensive, day-long search in the apartment building and surrounding area failed to locate the child, identified as Abbygail Elizabeth Dice.

London police are also part of the search, but have yet to comment on their role in the investigation.

St. Thomas police are expected to release more details later today.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/09/21/missing-infant.html
:rose:

[just42day97]

Originally posted by kaylynn
Month-old infant missing in St. Thomas
Last Updated: Friday, September 21, 2007 | 12:09 PM ET
The Canadian Press
Police in St. Thomas, Ont. are continuing a city-wide search for a one-month-old girl who was discovered missing Thursday when police found a woman unconscious in an apartment complex.

An intensive, day-long search in the apartment building and surrounding area failed to locate the child, identified as Abbygail Elizabeth Dice.

London police are also part of the search, but have yet to comment on their role in the investigation.

St. Thomas police are expected to release more details later today.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/09/21/missing-infant.html
:rose:

Oh...how sad...I wonder if the woman was like unconscious like in..was she dead...or asleep...or hurt in some way?...
Prayers this Baby is found!:rose:

[txfemale45]

I hope they find her soon..... and her mother is ok....

[jtazzy]

Praying the mom is okay and that they find the baby.

[Breazy]

Anxious to hear more details about this. Praying this baby turns up quickly.:rose:

[kaylynn]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/09/21/missing-infant.html

Police in St. Thomas, Ont., are continuing a city-wide search for a one-month-old girl who was discovered missing Thursday when police found a woman unconscious in an apartment complex.

An intensive, day-long search in the apartment building and surrounding area of the southwestern Ontario city failed to locate the child, identified as Abbygail Elizabeth Dice.

London police are also part of the search, but have yet to comment on their role in the investigation.

St. Thomas police are asking for the public's help and for anyone with any information to contact them.

"Anything they can, anything they've seen maybe that might seem suspicious or might seem unnatural to them, or something they've heard, anything at all, we have officers in here taking any information we can and relaying it to, to investigators," said Const. Jason Geddes.

[kaylynn]

http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_15015.aspx
:rose:

[kaylynn]

More links:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070921/missing_baby_070921/20070921?hub=TopStories&s_name=
http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=CTVNews%2F20070921%2Fmissing_baby_07092 1
http://www.cd989.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=9998 (WITH PICTURE)

[Breazy]

Thanks for the links Kaylynn. What a sweet looking baby girl. Praying she's found safe SOON!

[n/t]

Praying Abbygail Elizabeth will be found soon. :rose:

I don't understand the Amber Alert criterias. They should be changed, imo.

A baby is missing. Even if she doesn't meet the criteria, why not put her photo out anyway. What harm will it do if people to keep an eye out??

I don't get it.:(

[kaylynn]

Originally posted by n/t
Praying Abbygail Elizabeth will be found soon. :rose:

I don't understand the Amber Alert criterias. They should be changed, imo.

A baby is missing. Even if she doesn't meet the criteria, why not put her photo out anyway. What harm will it do if people to keep an eye out??

I don't get it.:(

I totally agree. I find it strange only that one website had her photo out.

[kaylynn]

http://www.stthomastimesjournal.com/News/340351.html
Police are asking for the public’s help after a one-month old baby girl went missing from an apartment complex Thursday in the city’s north end.


St. Thomas police say they were called to 88 Confederation Dr. around noon and found an unconscious woman in a second-floor apartment. The woman was taken to St. Thomas-Elgin General Hospital for medical attention. Her status was not known at press time.
“While we were on scene dealing with this call, it was learned that this woman was the mother of a one-month old baby girl who has not been located or accounted for,” said Const. Jason Geddes.
The baby has been identified as Abbygail Elizabeth Dice.
Anyone with information on the missing girl is asked to call St. Thomas police at 519-631-1224 or Crime Stoppers at 519-631-TIPS (8477).

[n/t]

Originally posted by kaylynn
http://www.stthomastimesjournal.com/News/340351.html
Police are asking for the public’s help after a one-month old baby girl went missing from an apartment complex Thursday in the city’s north end.


St. Thomas police say they were called to 88 Confederation Dr. around noon and found an unconscious woman in a second-floor apartment. The woman was taken to St. Thomas-Elgin General Hospital for medical attention. Her status was not known at press time.
“While we were on scene dealing with this call, it was learned that this woman was the mother of a one-month old baby girl who has not been located or accounted for,” said Const. Jason Geddes.
The baby has been identified as Abbygail Elizabeth Dice.
Anyone with information on the missing girl is asked to call St. Thomas police at 519-631-1224 or Crime Stoppers at 519-631-TIPS (8477).


Still no word on what happened to the mom? Why was she unconsious? I hope she'll be able to give the police information.

Continued prayers for Abbygail. :rose:

[MaFitz]

I don't get it. Who called the police to the woman's apartment?

This reminds me of the story told of a certain mother who killed her infant and then claimed someone had knocked her out and then stolen the baby.

I don't mean to sound cynical, I guess it is just due to the lack of information. I mean the police were called to the apartment of this woman and found her unconscious. Someone found her knocked out and called the police?

I guess if someone broke into the apartment for the purpose of taking the baby and knocked the mother out they would forget to close the door behind them making it possible for someone passing by to maybe see the knocked out woman in the apartment.

I hope they find this little girl alive and well. An amber alert would certainly help at the very least spread the word that a female infant is missing.

:rose:

[jtazzy]

Don't understand why they won't tell the condition of the mom?

So hope she is okay and the baby is found safe!!

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by jtazzy
Don't understand why they won't tell the condition of the mom?

So hope she is okay and the baby is found safe!!

Could be a sexual assault and they're not releasing that for privacy reasons for the mom, imo.

[Brooke]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/09/22/4516923-sun.html

Apparently the mother was in a Diabetic Coma.

[jtazzy]

Okay the article says they don't believe an abuction happened....but who took the baby??? Something doesn't sound right.

[kaylynn]

Originally posted by jtazzy
Okay the article says they don't believe an abuction happened....but who took the baby??? Something doesn't sound right.
It says there is no evidence of an abduction, which is why an amber alert was not issued.
STILL though, there aren't very many other things it could be.
:rose:

[kaylynn]

snipped
Originally posted by MaFitz
I don't get it. Who called the police to the woman's apartment?

:rose:

A woman who asked not to be identified said she believes the hospitalized woman’s first name is Sarah. She believes the woman’s mother was the one who contacted police about the missing baby.
http://www.stthomastimesjournal.com/News/340290.html
So I guess it was the babys grandmother who called it in.

[kaylynn]

ST. THOMAS -- Sarah Dice, whose missing infant has triggered a three-day search, was awake, but horribly confused when she was found in her apartment last week.

Dice, who's been a diabetic since childhood, was found moaning in her bed, unsure of where she was and unable to recognize her own mother, said Connie Fortin, who along with Dice's mother, found Dice on Thursday.

"She didn't recognize any of us. She didn't know what happened to (her infant Abbygail).

"She didn't know where she was," Fortin said yesterday.

Two days earlier, Dice seemed OK as she wheeled one-month-old Abbygail back to the Confederation Drive apartment where Fortin is superintendent.

"She seemed fine," Fortin said.

But Tuesday was also the first of two days Dice's mother, Gail, who lives in London, left phone messages for her daughter that weren't returned,

So, on Thursday, a worried Gail Dice drove to St. Thomas and knocked on the door of her daughter's apartment. When no one replied, she turned to Fortin, who for five years has looked after tenants as if they were family.

The two women went to the back of the three-storey apartment and saw Sarah Dice's car, then to her second-storey apartment. When knocks produced no reply, Fortin retrieved her keys and unlocked the door.

Wanting to be respectful of her tenant's privacy, Fortin pushed open the door a few centimetres, calling her name.

That's when they heard her.

"We heard moaning coming from the bedroom. We went in and she was sitting up in bed and very confused . . . Her mother asked about Abbygail, but she didn't know what had happened," Fortin said.

The superintendent quickly phoned 911 and moments later, firefighters arrived from a fire hall just around the corner.

Paramedics soon came and took Sarah Dice to St. Thomas Elgin General Hospital.

She remained there yesterday in the intensive care unit as a single St. Thomas officer led seven or so volunteers with St. John Ambulance as they looked for Abbygail in low-lying brush along Highbury Avenue south of Ron McNeil Line and in Dalewood Conservation Area.

"We wouldn't be out here if we didn't think we could make a difference," said Bev Sugden, who leads the St. John Ambulance search and rescue team.

Police have said there's no evidence Abbygail was abducted, but added nothing yesterday about the investigation or the condition of Sarah Dice.

Highbury Avenue and the conservation area -- where the search switched to yesterday -- are several kilometres from Sarah Dice's apartment.

The apartment was guarded yesterday by a single officer.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/09/23/4519702-sun.html
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[ReedJ]

Originally posted by kaylynn
snipped


A woman who asked not to be identified said she believes the hospitalized woman’s first name is Sarah. She believes the woman’s mother was the one who contacted police about the missing baby.
http://www.stthomastimesjournal.com/News/340290.html
So I guess it was the babys grandmother who called it in.


According to the article posted by Brooke ....the superintendant named connie found the mother.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/09/22/4516923-sun.html

[kaylynn]

Originally posted by ReedJ



According to the article posted by Brooke ....the superintendant named connie found the mother.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/09/22/4516923-sun.html

According to the two articles I just posted it was the mother of Sarah and the grandmother of Abbygail. I wonder why there are conflicting stories.
:confused:

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by kaylynn


According to the two articles I just posted it was the mother of Sarah and the grandmother of Abbygail. I wonder why there are conflicting stories.
:confused:

Actually we're both right. The grandmother drove there and when she could'nt get an answer she asked for the superintendant who evidently has keys to the apartment. They entered together and found her.

[kaylynn]

Originally posted by ReedJ


Actually we're both right. The grandmother drove there and when she could'nt get an answer she asked for the superintendant who evidently has keys to the apartment. They entered together and found her.
Got it. Thanks for the clarification!
:rose: Praying for Abbygail to be located safe and soon.

[kaylynn]

No news this afternoon, other than a clothing description.
A St. Thomas baby missing since Thursday may be wearing a pink and orange striped jumper, police said yesterday.
http://therecord.metrolandwest.com/News/CanadaWorld/article/245510

[Brooke]

:rose: Praying Baby Abbygail is found safe.

[HellcatTrish]

I live in St. Thomas and I know a lot more about this case than the news is reporting. The reason there is little information about the mother, and no Amber Alert, is because it's quite obvious that the mother killed her.
The mother was NOT unconscious when the super intendant let her mother into her apartment. She was just "confused." When her mother asked her where her baby was she said "What baby??"
The apartment door was locked, so it's assumed the "kidnapper" came in through the balcony. The trouble with that is that there was blood in the apartment, in the hallway, and on the stairs. Also, a lot of people with police scanners heard last night that the mother told them she put the baby in the woods. That's also not be confirmed yet.

[Brooke]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by HellcatTrish
I live in St. Thomas and I know a lot more about this case than the news is reporting. The reason there is little information about the mother, and no Amber Alert, is because it's quite obvious that the mother killed her.
The mother was NOT unconscious when the super intendant let her mother into her apartment. She was just "confused." When her mother asked her where her baby was she said "What baby??"
The apartment door was locked, so it's assumed the "kidnapper" came in through the balcony. The trouble with that is that there was blood in the apartment, in the hallway, and on the stairs. Also, a lot of people with police scanners heard last night that the mother told them she put the baby in the woods. That's also not be confirmed yet. [/QUOTE

I had a feeling when I read no sign of abduction this might be the case.
I do hope this does not turn out to be the case.

:rose: For baby Abbygail

[HellcatTrish]

It's pretty bad.
This is a small town so everyone is pretty shaken up. They have a police officer guarding the mother's apartment, probably in case of a lynch mob or something.
There's no reason what so ever to think the child was abducted, but there's a lot of evidence suggesting the mother did it.
I heard there will be a statement tonight on the news. If I catch it I'll update you all.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by HellcatTrish
It's pretty bad.
This is a small town so everyone is pretty shaken up. They have a police officer guarding the mother's apartment, probably in case of a lynch mob or something.
There's no reason what so ever to think the child was abducted, but there's a lot of evidence suggesting the mother did it.
I heard there will be a statement tonight on the news. If I catch it I'll update you all.

Thanks for the info Trish. I must admit the thought did cross my mind that she may have killed Abbygail. I just didn't want to go there though. Even though we hear of mothers killing their babies regularly, it is still something I find really hard to contemplate.

:rose: Abbygail

[n/t]

Originally posted by HellcatTrish
It's pretty bad.
This is a small town so everyone is pretty shaken up. They have a police officer guarding the mother's apartment, probably in case of a lynch mob or something.
There's no reason what so ever to think the child was abducted, but there's a lot of evidence suggesting the mother did it.
I heard there will be a statement tonight on the news. If I catch it I'll update you all.

Thanks for the update.

:(

For Abbygail. :rose:

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by HellcatTrish
It's pretty bad.
This is a small town so everyone is pretty shaken up. They have a police officer guarding the mother's apartment, probably in case of a lynch mob or something.
There's no reason what so ever to think the child was abducted, but there's a lot of evidence suggesting the mother did it.
I heard there will be a statement tonight on the news. If I catch it I'll update you all.


:rose: For Abbyqail...

Tks HellcatTrish. I so didn't want to think the mother had anything to do with it.

[txfemale45]

:rose: for the precious baby.....

[kaylynn]

http://www.stthomastimesjournal.com/News/340642.html
A baby for which St. Thomas police have been searching for more than four day, may be wearing a pink and orange-striped jumper, authorities said.
The exhaustive search, which had police roaming through backyards, ravines and even looking through dumpsters in the city’s northeast turned up no results over the weekend.

Abbygail Elizabeth Dice, one month old and described as having a lot of hair, was reported missing just before noon Thursday.
Police spent the rest of the day searching for the baby. At one point, London police and the OPP helped search the Confederation Drive area where the mother of the child lives.
Police said they concentrated Friday’s search around 88 Confederation Dr. and Waterworks Park. Photos of Abbygail Dice were released Friday.
“St. Thomas police are asking for the public’s help with any information regarding Abbygail Dice,” Const. Jason Geddes said.
Anyone with any information is asked to call St. Thomas police at 519-631-1364 or Crime Stoppers at 519-631-8477.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by HellcatTrish
It's pretty bad.
This is a small town so everyone is pretty shaken up. They have a police officer guarding the mother's apartment, probably in case of a lynch mob or something.
There's no reason what so ever to think the child was abducted, but there's a lot of evidence suggesting the mother did it.
I heard there will be a statement tonight on the news. If I catch it I'll update you all.

A few of my buddies are London Cops and we were thinking the same thing. JMO

[n/t]

Originally posted by ReedJ


A few of my buddies are London Cops and we were thinking the same thing. JMO

Do you know if the statement was released? The one HellcatTrish refers to?

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by n/t


Do you know if the statement was released? The one HellcatTrish refers to?

Nothing official just yet.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/09/24/4522525.html

[Heidi J.]

This article says she is 1 year old. Typo?? (http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/09/24/4522525.html)

:confused:

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by Heidi J.
This article says she is 1 year old. Typo?? (http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/09/24/4522525.html)

:confused:

I believe she is 1 month old. Still praying she is found safe.

[Leanne Weich]

Police focus on mom.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/09/25/4523649-sun.html

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by Brooke
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/09/22/4516923-sun.html

Apparently the mother was in a Diabetic Coma.

If she was in a Diabetic Coma, could should have done something with the baby and not realized it???

[Brooke]

Originally posted by jtazzy


If she was in a Diabetic Coma, could should have done something with the baby and not realized it???

I have diabetes and so does my father and yes I believe she could have done something and been unaware of what she had done or not remember what had happend, it has happend to my father MANY times.

[jtazzy]

Brooke, I am so hoping that is the case here. I just don't get the vibe that she would intentionally hurt that baby....JMO

[Brooke]

Ya know I sure hope not too. What a sweet baby, I am praying for a good outcome but unfortunately its not looking like thats going to happen. I wonder why/what happend she was in a diabetic coma too, from the article it says she has been a diabetic for years, so IMO living alone with a baby you would make certain (at least I did when I was a single parent) that your sugars are under control so something like this doesnt happen.

[Lyndilu1]

My husband has diabetes. He goes into Diabetic shock. He knows no one when he's in that. He doesn't even recognize what a dog is. He threw his own little dog, which he loves better than us, across the room when it jumped in his lap. He was like "what the H is that?" He sees people on TV and freaks out. I don't know what he sees, but it sure isn't normal. I could go on and on about stories about his "comas."

So I'd say, yes, it would be possible for her to do something to the baby and never remember it.

Hope baby is found safe soon.

[Breazy]

Checking in for updates on Abbygail and it sure isn't looking good for her safe return. If indeed the mother did do something to her, I hope it was because of her medical state and she was unaware of what she was doing.

[Sarah1228]

Hi all,

I just wanted to post a link to let you know that the St.Thomas police have updated there website and now consider the mother as a suspect. They have still not found little baby Abbygail. The link is below
http://www.stps.on.ca/docs/2007%20Media%20Releases/Media%20-%20Sep%2025%20(Abbygail%20DICE).pdf

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by Sarah1228
Hi all,

I just wanted to post a link to let you know that the St.Thomas police have updated there website and now consider the mother as a suspect. They have still not found little baby Abbygail. The link is below
http://www.stps.on.ca/docs/2007%20Media%20Releases/Media%20-%20Sep%2025%20(Abbygail%20DICE).pdf

sarah1228, I can't get the link to work for me.

[Sarah1228]

Originally posted by jtazzy


sarah1228, I can't get the link to work for me.


HI jtazzy, lets try again

http://www.stps.on.ca/docs/2007%20Media%20Releases/Media%20-%20Sep%2025%20(Abbygail%20DICE).pdf

You may need to cut and paste this in to your browser

[jtazzy]

:seeya: Tks Sarah1228 got it to work. Beautiful baby....

[Lyndilu1]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae
:read:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coma

a state of prolonged unconsciousness, including a lack of response to stimuli, from which it is impossible to rouse a person.


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my dad suffers from diabetic coma also, if his diet isn't right for one thing.....

when his 'sugar' starts to rise or plummet, he is shaky and all involved with getting himself sugar or insulin....

when he is in this coma he couldn't hurt a flea.
he is "out-of-it" ....seemingly deeply asleep

IMO: this may be a convenient excuse if 'mom' killed her child and is looking for a way to remain out of jail.

:flamemad: flame me if you like, but my hinkey meter is off the charts on this one

i repeat...IMOO

you may br right about the hinky meter........... but when my husband's sugar is high, he does just sleep very soundly. Hard to arouse.

But.... when it's low - he becomes violent and has had to be handcuffed before to get the glucose in him. He remembers nothing when we finally get it back to normal.

[kaylynn]

Originally posted by Sarah1228



HI jtazzy, lets try again

http://www.stps.on.ca/docs/2007%20Media%20Releases/Media%20-%20Sep%2025%20(Abbygail%20DICE).pdf

You may need to cut and paste this in to your browser

What a cute baby.
Thanks so much for that link.
:rose:

[MaFitz]

Thanks for all of the info on diabetes. I really know little about the disease outside of people have to give themselves shots.

I had no idea that a person would become disoriented like that and it does raise the possibility that she may have done something with her baby and because of her deteriorated state of mind may not even know.

I understand that controlling diet is important with this disease but how realistic is that when you are a single parent. Money is tight and who doesn't put the needs of their children before their own?

I hope and pray that little Abi is alive. It is always the children who suffer, and that is heartbreaking. They do not choose their parents, or the circumstances for which they are brought into this world, and yet it is almost always they who pay the price.

I also hope to at the very least that if she did something to her baby girl, it was while in a truelly deteriorated state of mind. Too many people who would make wonderful parents are lined up to adopt beautiful babies like hers, and while it is easy to empathize with the struggles of being a single parent, it is impossible to understand the need of too many mothers and fathers to murder their children in response to their difficulties.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by MaFitz
Thanks for all of the info on diabetes. I really know little about the disease outside of people have to give themselves shots.

I had no idea that a person would become disoriented like that and it does raise the possibility that she may have done something with her baby and because of her deteriorated state of mind may not even know.

I understand that controlling diet is important with this disease but how realistic is that when you are a single parent. Money is tight and who doesn't put the needs of their children before their own?

I hope and pray that little Abi is alive. It is always the children who suffer, and that is heartbreaking. They do not choose their parents, or the circumstances for which they are brought into this world, and yet it is almost always they who pay the price.

I also hope to at the very least that if she did something to her baby girl, it was while in a truelly deteriorated state of mind. Too many people who would make wonderful parents are lined up to adopt beautiful babies like hers, and while it is easy to empathize with the struggles of being a single parent, it is impossible to understand the need of too many mothers and fathers to murder their children in response to their difficulties.


You have a way with words . . . GREAT post!!!

[Leanne Weich]

I think a diabetic coma is just that. A person is comatose, however, the mother's condition has subsequently been described as confused so I too think this is going to be her defence for harming Abbygail.

I pray I am wrong but I feel this is going to have a tragic outcome.

[n/t]

Where's the father of this baby? If this mom suffered from a severe medical condition, wouldn't they have someone from social services check up on on her and the baby?

I agree with most. This doesn't look good for baby Abbygail. I hope I'm wrong. :(

:rose:

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Rios, A


She will likely make out okay with her defense here in Canada, it's alot like the U.S where a woman is not held to the highest charge . By the time it all shakes out she will do no more than the penalty for a manslaughter charge and then just a fraction or half of a ten year sentence. If it was the Father he'd be done....looking at murder one which would guarantee him about 20 to 25 years. IMO. All assuming she did it. JMO

Reed, I really hope if she is guilty, she gets the maximum penalty allowed in Law. I really don't care if it's a mother/father/husband or wife, murder is murder and, unless there are truly mitigating circumstances, all the BS should be dispensed with.

[Brooke]

IMO if she was expiriencing symptoms related to her diabetes, diabetic shock/coma/etc. the baby would have been found in the apt. if she hurt her due to this. When you are confused/disorientated you are not trying to hide something that you have done because you dont know that what you have done was wrong, do I make sense.
So if she hurt her baby and hid her body I doubt this has anything to do with her diabetes.
Again this is MOO

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Rios, A


Jurors do not want to convict women has been my perception in cases. Especially with this surge of cases where kids are killed because society doesn't really want to believe a woman would kill her kids and given that the infant was only a month old I'd say her defence is good with the " post partum" defence. IF ( and I give her the presumption of innocence ) she did this she should get a lawyer and lead them to the body because an attorney can get her a fairly light sentence with a jury. IMO

I guess she could have PPD but I would not fall for that excuse unless there is medical evidence of it prior to her child going missing. I think that is the only reason I had sympathy for Andrea Yates. She had clearly been crazy for a long time prior to drowning her children.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Brooke
IMO if she was expiriencing symptoms related to her diabetes, diabetic shock/coma/etc. the baby would have been found in the apt. if she hurt her due to this. When you are confused/disorientated you are not trying to hide something that you have done because you dont know that what you have done was wrong, do I make sense.
So if she hurt her baby and hid her body I doubt this has anything to do with her diabetes.
Again this is MOO


You know, I hadn't thought about that, but you're absolutely right! Prayers for Baby Abbygail!

[jtazzy]

ITA Breeze...never thought about that either.

[kaylynn]

Has anyone heard any updates? Alot of the original stories have now been removed.
:rose: For baby Abbygails safe return home.

[Brooke]

Nothing new.... Ive been looking all morning.

:rose: Prayers for sweet baby Abbygail

[Brooke]

I know this is a horrible thought but I wonder what day her garbage pick up is. I am thinking it is odd that there are no new updates of any kind today. Praying for the best outcome possible
:rose:

[duckydoo]

I have been in St T week. I find myself driving by fields and wondering if the baby is somewhere out there. There is a large water reservior only blocks away from the apartment.
I shudder at the thought that maybe the mom made a mistake.... lost her cool....or woke up and realised she had not fed her baby in days...who knows.....what we do know is NO AMBER ALERT.....
Why would mom be in protective custody at the STEGH?????
We do not know the whys yet, I know if for some reason I accidently (or not) hurt my infant resulting in her death..I would probably take to bed and not eat or take my insulin.....hence the diabetic coma.it is slower process than insulin shock.
What chance is there of the baby surviving out there after a wk? Not very good..dehydration,exposure, it has been hot.

[MaFitz]

No word on Abi being found yet? Is the mom giving any interviews? What does that mean that she is being kept in protective custody?

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by duckydoo
I have been in St T week. I find myself driving by fields and wondering if the baby is somewhere out there. There is a large water reservior only blocks away from the apartment.
I shudder at the thought that maybe the mom made a mistake.... lost her cool....or woke up and realised she had not fed her baby in days...who knows.....what we do know is NO AMBER ALERT.....
Why would mom be in protective custody at the STEGH?????
We do not know the whys yet, I know if for some reason I accidently (or not) hurt my infant resulting in her death..I would probably take to bed and not eat or take my insulin.....hence the diabetic coma.it is slower process than insulin shock.
What chance is there of the baby surviving out there after a wk? Not very good..dehydration,exposure, it has been hot.

The problem is she wasn't in a diabetic coma, imo.

[Brooke]

This is the only update I could find this morning.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/09/27/missing-infant.html

:rose: Praying for Baby Abbygail

[kaylynn]

Originally posted by Brooke
This is the only update I could find this morning.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/09/27/missing-infant.html

:rose: Praying for Baby Abbygail

Thanks for the update Brooke.
:rose: Praying baby Abbygail is found safe.

[Lyndilu1]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


The problem is she wasn't in a diabetic coma, imo.

A diabetic coma doesn't necessarily mean that she was unconscious. My husband has 2 or 3 different stages of his “comas”. I guess maybe coma may not be the medical term for it.

But in one phase – he functions. Not good mind you, but he functions. He can drive, walk, talk, etc. He acts like a drunk person. When he gets back to normal, he remembers NOTHING.

Another man hit my son’s car while he was parked at a restaurant (after he had already hit 14 other cars). We thought he was drunk. The police came, and had the sense to check his billfold. He was in a diabetic “coma.”

So there are different stages or phases of a diabetic. None of them react the same I don’t think.

I keep making excuses until I know better, thinking this lady has left her child somewhere and not remember it. I sure hope that is the case. Hope they find the little sweetheart soon.

[Sarah1228]

The link below is from the London Free Press today
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/09/27/4529633-sun.html

There is no new news on the search etc. The mother hasn't come forward and asked for the communities help in finding this child, neither have the father, or grandparents on either side which is really very strange to me. I know if my child were missing, I would be out there begging and pleading with the public to help me find my child, all over the news and giving interviews wherever possible. I mean the mother hasn't even went out to look for her child since she has been released from the hospital yesterday, it's kind of crazy if you ask me.

Also, for everyones information, there is a candel light vigil for Abbygail tonight in front of 88 Confederation Dr (Where the child lived with her mother) People are bringing teddys, angels and their candles of course. It will be at 7:45pm.

I'm praying for you baby Abbygail......

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Sarah1228
The link below is from the London Free Press today
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/09/27/4529633-sun.html

There is no new news on the search etc. The mother hasn't come forward and asked for the communities help in finding this child, neither have the father, or grandparents on either side which is really very strange to me. I know if my child were missing, I would be out there begging and pleading with the public to help me find my child, all over the news and giving interviews wherever possible. I mean the mother hasn't even went out to look for her child since she has been released from the hospital yesterday, it's kind of crazy if you ask me.

Also, for everyones information, there is a candel light vigil for Abbygail tonight in front of 88 Confederation Dr (Where the child lived with her mother) People are bringing teddys, angels and their candles of course. It will be at 7:45pm.

I'm praying for you baby Abbygail......


I agree about Mom not looking. Makes it look like she KNOWS what happened and where Abbygail is, to me anyway.

Such a nice thing about the vigil. The people who frequent these missing person threads restore my faith in humanity's kindness and helps me remember that the persons responsible for all the missing are a small minority, although they're becoming much too prevalent.

:rose: Abbygail's return

[Brooke]

Everything I have read or ever been taught being a diabetic states diabetic coma is unconciousness due to high blood sugar.

Diabetic Coma
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/diabetic-coma/DS00656

Definition of Coma
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/coma/DS00724

IMO If she was found in an altered state because of her diabetes IMO it is self induced (attempted suicide) because she harmed her baby. I believe she killed her baby (either intentionally or unintentionally) and then tried to commit suicide
by not taking her meds/eating high sugar food/ drug overdose etc. ---- We do not know if she was Insulin Dependant or Non-Insulin Dependant controlled with medication or diet controlled.
I would like to give her the benefit of the doubt but it is getting harder and harder and the fact that no one has come forward asking for help in the search of this baby is really troubling. Again all this was MOO

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Brooke
Everything I have read or ever been taught being a diabetic states diabetic coma is unconciousness due to high blood sugar.

Diabetic Coma
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/diabetic-coma/DS00656

Definition of Coma
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/coma/DS00724

IMO If she was found in an altered state because of her diabetes IMO it is self induced (attempted suicide) because she harmed her baby. I believe she killed her baby (either intentionally or unintentionally) and then tried to commit suicide
by not taking her meds/eating high sugar food/ drug overdose etc. ---- We do not know if she was Insulin Dependant or Non-Insulin Dependant controlled with medication or diet controlled.
I would like to give her the benefit of the doubt but it is getting harder and harder and the fact that no one has come forward asking for help in the search of this baby is really troubling. Again all this was MOO

I agree with you Brooke. I think if you take all that we know into consideration, it is highly unlikely that little Abbygail is still alive. I hope to God I'm wrong.

[Santa'sMom]

Originally posted by Brooke
Everything I have read or ever been taught being a diabetic states diabetic coma is unconciousness due to high blood sugar.

Diabetic Coma
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/diabetic-coma/DS00656

Definition of Coma
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/coma/DS00724

IMO If she was found in an altered state because of her diabetes IMO it is self induced (attempted suicide) because she harmed her baby. I believe she killed her baby (either intentionally or unintentionally) and then tried to commit suicide
by not taking her meds/eating high sugar food/ drug overdose etc. ---- We do not know if she was Insulin Dependant or Non-Insulin Dependant controlled with medication or diet controlled.
I would like to give her the benefit of the doubt but it is getting harder and harder and the fact that no one has come forward asking for help in the search of this baby is really troubling. Again all this was MOO

If you click on the first link and then click on "signs and symptoms" you will see:
If your blood sugar is too low, you may feel:

Shaky or nervous
Tired
Sweaty
Hungry
Irritable
Confused

I don't think it has been stated that she was in a diabetic coma but rather that her blood sugar was off causing confusion.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Santa'sMom


If you click on the first link and then click on "signs and symptoms" you will see:
If your blood sugar is too low, you may feel:

Shaky or nervous
Tired
Sweaty
Hungry
Irritable
Confused

I don't think it has been stated that she was in a diabetic coma but rather that her blood sugar was off causing confusion.

In the original reports it was said that she was in a coma and then came the reports she was diabetic. I think that is why so many of us inferred she was thought to be in a diabetic coma, imo.

[Brooke]

Originally posted by Santa'sMom


If you click on the first link and then click on "signs and symptoms" you will see:
If your blood sugar is too low, you may feel:

Shaky or nervous
Tired
Sweaty
Hungry
Irritable
Confused

I don't think it has been stated that she was in a diabetic coma but rather that her blood sugar was off causing confusion.



The first news reports that were released stated she was in a diabetic coma then in later reports stated she was confused and disorientated. There is a huge difference between being confused and disorientated and being unconcious in a coma.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/09/22/4516923-sun.html

[Lyndilu1]

Ok I give up!

Hope they find the baby alive and well soon

[Brooke]

This news article has a picture of mom and baby... :rose:

http://www.stthomastimesjournal.com/News/341489.html

Another article I have not seen posted

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070925.TORBRIEFS25-1/TPStory/National

[MaFitz]

The police are looking at mom as POI in Abi's disappearance too. This sounds like another sad outcome.

Honestly, I feel sorry for the person that finds her unless she is found alive.

Thanks for the articles Brooke.

[n/t]

I asked earlier if anyone knew anything about the baby's daddy. I haven't seen or read any mention of him. Does anyone know?

Abbygail:rose:

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by n/t
I asked earlier if anyone knew anything about the baby's daddy. I haven't seen or read any mention of him. Does anyone know?

Abbygail:rose:

From everything I have read(and I might not have read all) there has not been mention of the dad.

[n/t]

Originally posted by PinkPony


From everything I have read(and I might not have read all) there has not been mention of the dad.

Thank you. Really bizarre that there is no mention of him.

[Leanne Weich]

I wonder how long it will be until the results from the forensic tests are back. I'd also like to know about the baby's father.

[Breazy]

:rose: Prayers for baby Abbygail!

[Brooke]

Still nothing new today, the mom, Sarah, was released from the hospital yesterday. New news article from this morning.

http://www.stthomastimesjournal.com/News/341792.html


:rose: Praying for the safety of Baby Abbygail

[kaylynn]

:rose: Praying baby Abbygail is safe, and located soon.

[Sarah1228]

Originally posted by n/t


Thank you. Really bizarre that there is no mention of him.

As far as the father goes they did say that he was living in guelph attending University there. They also say that he and his family are fully cooperating with police.

Hopefully you are okay Abby! We are praying for you

[Brooke]

Maybe she gave her up for adoption, sold her, gave her away. I dont know I am trying to think of all possibilities that dont include her hurting Abbygail. IMO she knows what she has done with Abbygail, otherwise why wouldnt she cooperate with the authorities?

[MaFitz]

Brooke that would be nice, but unlikely. But it is possible.

I don't think its bizarre that they don't mention Abi's father. If he is not in her life, then he wouldn't be of interest. Just another absent parent in the life of a child.

Is Abi's mom cooperating with police at all? Have they been able to establish her movements on the day prior to and day of Abi's disappearance?

[kaylynn]

Private investigators hired by missing infant Abbygail Dice's family suggest someone was in the apartment while the baby's mother was in a diabetic coma.

"(Mother) Sara (Whittington) does not know where Abby is," Bill Glover, a criminal lawyer and family spokesperson, writes in a carefully worded e-mail sent to The Free Press yesterday.

Glover says evidence they've collected has been forwarded to St. Thomas police.

"(Whittington) was in no condition to leave her apartment or care for Abby or herself," Glover writes. "We conclude that at least one person attended Sara's apartment between Wednesday and Thursday and that the person or persons would have material information."

It's the first statement from the family since Whittington was found confused and bed-ridden inside her locked Confederation Drive apartment Sept. 20.

When Whittington was found by her mother and the three-storey building's superintendent, Abbygail was gone.

That sparked an immediate search of the area. Several smaller searches of parks and woodlots since then have turned up no sign of the month-old baby.

Police have named Whittington a "person of interest" and asked the public for any information of her whereabouts between 2:30 pm. Sept 18 when the mother and baby were last seen and 11:30 a.m. Sept. 20.

Glover says "recognizing Sara's fragile emotional and physical state," police asked Whittington if she wanted to contact a lawyer.

Family lawyer Bevan Earhart was contacted. He then called on Glover to form an investigative team.

"The team is conducting its own investigation and has located material evidence, participated in delicate community searches and maintained regular direct contact with police," Glover says in the e-mail.

St. Thomas police investigators had no immediate response to the e-mail.

"The investigative team is going to look into this (and) will review the information," Sgt. Ross Camp said yesterday.

The family asks in the e-mail anyone who visited Whittington's apartment between Tuesday night and Thursday noon to contact police.

Glover declined to elaborate or answer questions about information not included in the e-mail.

But he explained family members have "come together from hundreds of kilometres away to tirelessly assist in all efforts."

Glover said the family hasn't participated in any of the public searches.

"They have not been out in the wooded searches," he said. "But I and others have been involved in other delicate searches and we received some pretty strong words of thanks from a detective for having done searches they were unable to do but we could."

In conclusion, the statement says: "On behalf of Sara and her family, we thank the community for your hard work, support and concern. We request that Sara's fragile condition and privacy be respected."

Whittington's sister-in-law conveyed thanks to the public at a candlelight vigil outside the Confederation Drive building, the first public appearance by any family member.

A child safety expert has suggested the odds of a baby being found alive are about two per cent after the first 24 hours if the baby was abducted by a stranger.

Whittington was released from hospital Wednesday and is living at her parents' home in London.

Whittington's apartment and car have been searched and police are awaiting the results of forensic tests.

Police said Whittington frequented St. Thomas, London and Fergus and that, although she was often seen walking in St. Thomas, she also drove a grey 2003 Vibe.

Whittington is described as five-foot-five, 180 pounds, with a heavy build and brown hair. Anyone who may have seen her between last Tuesday and Thursday is asked to call St. Thomas police at 519-631-1364 or Crime Stoppers at 519-631-8477.
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/09/29/4535488-sun.html
:rose:

[MaFitz]

This could be good! IF someone took Abi then there is a chance she is alive and being cared for. :rose:


Thanks for posting the article Kaylynn.

[kaylynn]

Public frustration is growing and hope is fading over the fate of missing infant Abbygail Dice.
While the odds are now stacked against finding Abbygail alive, a child safety expert and former London police officer urged the public and police to maintain vigilance.
“You just can’t give up hope, especially when it’s a child,” said Samantha Wilson, founder and president of Kidproof Canada/USA, based in Surrey, B.C.
“The statistics say the chances of a child surviving abduction by a stranger after 24 hours is about two per cent.
“But I’m also a big believer in hope. Anything is possible. People should keep searching,” Wilson said.
The public’s frustration is aimed mostly at the police investigation, including a perception police should have acted more quickly with a massive search of the entire city as soon as the one-month-old girl was discovered missing Sept. 20.
That’s when the baby’s mother, Sara Whittington, was found inside her locked Confederation Drive apartment, apparently in a diabetic coma.
Thursday night, at a candlelight vigil outside the mother’s apartment building, dozens gathered to pray the baby would be found safe.
The mother, whom police have called a “person of interest” in the case, didn’t attend.

But a woman who identified herself as a sister-in-law thanked the crowd for its support, and a vigil organizer spoke about Whittington.
“She’s in the worst place in her life right now,” Meg Lemke said. “She needs support and not to be judged.”
While the public may be frustrated with the police probe, Wilson defended it -- calling it “pretty standard.”
“It’s easy to be an armchair quarterback,” she said. “But if police were to call for a (city-wide) search at some point, St. Thomas is certainly a community that would respond.”
Police said the public is responding to their request for help, especially to determine Whittington’s whereabouts between Sept. 18 at 2:30 p.m., when she and Abbygail were last known to be seen together, and when Whittington was found Sept. 20.
Wednesday, police checked out two tips and returned to the Dalewood Conservation Area where someone had found a small, marked gravesite. It turned out to contain a cat.
Investigators are exploring every possible theory of what’s happened to Abbygail, said Const. Anders Nielsen.
Nielsen also defended the investigation.
“They reacted quickly and searched very thoroughly. It was a huge undertaking.”
When it was learned the baby was missing, St. Thomas police were helped by 40 London and several OPP officers in searching the neighbourhood. Searches the next two days were conducted by a dozen St. John Ambulance volunteers in parks and wooded areas. The ground searches were called off last Saturday.
Whittington was released from hospital Wednesday and is believed to be living at her parents’ home in London, Ont.
Some people in the area of Whittington’s apartment building expressed frustration with the case.
“Something’s not right here,” said one woman, who declined to give her name. “It’s getting weirder and weirder by the minute, almost like there was no baby.”
Another woman said she’s surprised the family hasn’t joined the search or appealed to the public for help.
“If this was happening in my family, the whole family would be here and we’d be out searching.”
Whittington’s apartment and car have been searched and police are awaiting the results of forensic tests.
Police said Whittington frequented St. Thomas, London and Fergus and that, although she was often seen walking in St. Thomas, she also drove a grey 2003 Vibe.
About 15 minutes into last night’s vigil, an unidentified man emerged from the crowd and said the mother was “much too weak to attend.”
“She has great concern for Abby. She would like to be here,” said the man, who returned to his car, declining questions, and drove off.
http://www.stthomastimesjournal.com/News/342095.html

[duckydoo]

I believe the first story that ran in The London Free Press indicated she had been diabetic since childhood. she probably would be a type 1 diabetic and most require insulin. Her condition was fragile enough that she was admitted to ICU so she must have been quite bad. I assume as most that she did something to the baby or someone she knows did something and then stopped taking her meds. Diabetic coma is a slow process compared to insulin shock. The term is misleading to the lay person who automatically relates to the word coma as unconconsious, nonresponsive. It is not quite that way as many have pointed out. I am not sure if any of you have seen the family lawyer's email to the London Free Press yet. All I know is if something happened to my child and I had no idea...I would be out looking,pleading, doing anything in my power to find my child. I would not sit silent and allow others to speak for me. I find the only thing STINKY!



http://lfpress.ca/cgi-bin/publish.cgi?x=articles&p=198447&s=hottopics

[charlotteswe]

You Dont Have To Tell Me This All Sounds A Little Fishy . I cant believe any mother would sit back and not plead for the return of their child no matter how sick or weak they were. The lawyers and PIs letter sounds like they're trying to set up a nice defence for this woman. The one thing in ther letter that just doesnt sit right with me is they hinted that someone came in and took the baby but there was no signs of forced entry into the apartment and that the door was locked. so if it wasnt the mother then it must be someone that she knows who has a key unless she freely gives out keys to anyone and everyone. another thing that makes this feel weird is that someone on facebook had a friend who was a nurse at the ICU in The Hospital where the woman was said that she didnt have any visitors EXCEPT Her Lawyer!!

[MaFitz]

Type I diabetes is the most serious according to my hubby. Kidney failure and other problems occur for those who suffer from it. It can not be just treated with insulin and have the person lead a normal life. There are a lot of other complications associated with it. Seizures are a complication associated with Type I too.

But it makes a lot of sense that she did something to Abi and then pobbibly traumatized from her own actions and from the guilt, she just took to her bed and stopped caring for herself knowing full well what would happen.

It makes no sense, that she is found in her LOCKED apartment, but little Abi is missing. Did someone have a key to her apartment? Was she missing any of the keys the landlord gave her?

Someone could have taken Abi while she was out with her and she might not have been thinking clearly, and she could have returned to her apartment and then after taking her medicine or insulin realized that she lost her child. Or she could have forgotten that she had a child and left her somewhere, and only realized it later after medicating and then taken to her bed in a cloud of anguish and self-hate.

It could be why she is staying so quiet, because she really doesn't know if she did something to Abi or if someone took her.

Here is some info: http://www.diabetes.org/type-1-diabetes.jsp

"People who take insulin may have times when their blood sugar level is too low. This low blood sugar is called hypoglycemia. Signs of hypoglycemia include the following:


Feeling tired for no reason
Yawning a lot
Being unable to speak or think clearly
Losing muscle coordination
Sweating
Twitching
Having seizures
Suddenly feeling like you’re going to pass out
Becoming very pale "

From http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/home/common/diabetes/basics/480.html

That is giving her the benefit of the doubt.

I think it leaves open a possibility that Sara did not hurt Abi or do so intentionally.

I don't know what to think now. I still suspect that she did something to Abi, but I think there is a chance that she got confused and ended up leaving her somewhere by accident.

Do we have anyone who is more local on this board? If so have you heard any new tips on Abi?

It would be so good to hear that someone found Abi and is taking care of her and just doesn't want to give her back.

[Sarah1228]

Below is from yesterdays (Oct 1) St.Thomas Times Journal

Someone was in apartment: lawyer
Says Whittington was incapacited at time

Monday October 01, 2007


Sara Whittington & daughter Abbygail Dice


By Times-Journal Staff
At least one person visited Sara Whittington’s apartment while the mom of missing one-month-old Abbygail Dice was incapacitated last week by her diabetes, an investigative team assembled by her family lawyer said Friday.
Whoever it was, they were asked yesterday to step forward with “material information” to assist police with their investigation into the disappearance of Whittington’s daughter that has shocked the community and has sparked a massive search for the infant.
But calling it evidence, team leader Bill Glover declined in an interview to reveal the information that points to the conclusion.
“That would be releasing evidence. I am in no position to release evidence, just like the police.”
Asked if the information has been turned over to police, Glover responded, “We have maintained direct and regular and frequent contact with the police.”
A St. Thomas police spokesman was not available.
In yesterday’s news release, Glover said, “We have determined that Sara’s extreme diabetic condition extended from Tuesday night or Wednesday morning until she was found on Thursday.

“She was in no medical condition to leave her apartment or care for Abby or herself. We conclude that at least one person attended Sara’s apartment between Wednesday and Thursday and that the person or persons would have material information.
“Anyone who visited Sara’s apartment between Tuesday night and Thursday morning should immediately contact the St. Thomas police at 519-631-1364.”
The release does not specifically state investigators believe the intruder took Abbygail.
Glover yesterday said Whittington remains in fragile condition after she was released from hospital, and he requested respect for her privacy.
He declined to say where she is.
But in the news release he also furnished her answer to the question arising from the disappearance.
“Last week, Sara Whittington and her baby daughter Abby suffered horribly traumatic experiences. By Thursday of last week, Sara was in intensive care recovering from an extreme diabetic incident. Abby was missing. Sara does not know where Abby is.”
Glover said a distraught and fragile Sara contacted her family lawyer, Bevan Earhart, of Sanders, Cline, at the suggestion of police, and he called in Glover, also a St. Thomas lawyer, assisted by legal agent Blain Colquhon, to begin an independent investigation.
Glover dismissed criticism voiced Thursday at a candlelight vigil in front of Whittington’s apartment building that Whittington hasn’t joined the search, nor appealed to the public for help.
“That quote was one person saying the family weren’t doing what they (searchers) were doing, that’s correct. But the family was doing other things, things that may have even been more important.”
In the release, Glover said yesterday, “Sara’s and Abby’s family have come together from hundreds of kilometers away to tirelessly assist in all efforts. On behalf of Sara and her family, we thank the community for your hard work, support and concern.”
The release does not state why a private investigation was mounted in parallel with the police probe.
But St. Thomas police have come under public criticism for their handling of this and another high-profile case, the unsolved murder of a St. Thomas senior in November, 2006"



The thing that I don't get and don't like about this is the qoute

“That quote was one person saying the family weren’t doing what they (searchers) were doing, that’s correct. But the family was doing other things, things that may have even been more important.”

What could be more important than finding your child????

[MaFitz]

Thanks for the article Sarah. It really makes little sense. I don't understand what her family would be doing that is more important either? It comes across to me as sounding like the family are trying to cover up.

The apartment door being found locked doesn't suggest that someone was in the apartment while mom was incapacitated either?

[janna55]

Originally posted by charlotteswe
someone on facebook had a friend who was a nurse at the ICU in The Hospital where the woman was said that she didnt have any visitors EXCEPT Her Lawyer!! [/*]

The nurse should be fired immediately. I just see red when I read stuff like this. No nurse in her right mind would give out this kind of information.

[janna55]

Originally posted by MaFitz
Thanks for the article Sarah. It really makes little sense. I don't understand what her family would be doing that is more important either? It comes across to me as sounding like the family are trying to cover up.

The apartment door being found locked doesn't suggest that someone was in the apartment while mom was incapacitated either? [/*]

I suppose the door may have been unlocked and when whoever was there left, they locked it behind them.

I used to work with a diabetic lady. When her sugar got low she acted crazy and had no idea what she was doing or remembered it after the fact. It was rather frightening.

[Sarah1228]

The link below is a updated Media Release (October 2) from the St.Thomas POlice Website (you may have to copy and paste the link)

http://www.stps.on.ca/docs/2007%20Media%20Releases/Media%20-%20Oct%202%20(Abbygail%20DICE).pdf

[MaFitz]

Originally posted by Sarah1228
The link below is a updated Media Release (October 2) from the St.Thomas POlice Website (you may have to copy and paste the link)

http://www.stps.on.ca/docs/2007%20Media%20Releases/Media%20-%20Oct%202%20(Abbygail%20DICE).pdf [/*]

I couldn't get the link to work. Is there a way I can to it from the homepage?

[Sarah1228]

Originally posted by MaFitz


I couldn't get the link to work. Is there a way I can to it from the homepage? [/*]

Hi MaFitz - You can go to website at http://www.stps.on.ca/ and right on the homepage you will see ongoing investigations

[Brooke]

Everyones body reacts differently to Diabetes type 1 and 2. The problems that have been listed Kidney failure etc. are associated with people whose diabetes is not under control. The articles stated she has had diabetes since childhood therefore IMO she would know how to care for herself (eat healthy and take her insulin regulary on a schedule). People who maintain their diabetes have FAR less complications. So making a generalized comment that people with type 1 diabetes have more problems is not accurate. My father is 61 years old, has had type 1 juvenile onset diabetes since he was 12, and is healthy, has all his limbs, both eyes and both kidneys. His doctors told him he would not live to see 30!
It will be interesting to see what the defense has planned for her defense, in the event baby Abby is found.....

:rose: Praying for baby Abbygail

[Breazy]

I think the investigator must have some pretty strong evidence that someone else was in that apartment at some point or I don't think he would have stated such. Possibly Mom let him/her in during her state of confusion and they in turn locked the door as they were leaving. Maybe I'm just grasping at straws but it leaves open the possibility that Abbygail is indeed safe somewhere which is what I'm praying for.

[Sarah1228]

I have just copied this out of todays paper, a few questions and answers about this case, thought I would share with you

MANY QUESTIONS, FEW FIRM ANSWERS IN CASE OF MISSING BABY

Q: Where is Abbygail?

No one knows, but a child safety expert said stranger abductions are "very rare" compared to abductions by parents or family members in custody disputes. Police say there's no evidence of a custody dispute over Abbygail.

Q: Did anyone else have key access to Whittington's apartment?

Aside from the superintendent, no, police say.

Q: Why was no Amber Alert issued?

Police say there was no evidence of an abduction.

Q: Why are police searching only parks, open spaces and wooded areas?

Tips from the public about Whittington's whereabouts between Tuesday, Sept. 18, at 2:30 p.m., when she and baby Abbygail were last seen, and Thursday, Sept. 20, when Whittington was found, are being checked out.

Q: What are police looking for?

They've offered no comment, but it indicates they're searching for the infant's body.

Q: Have police given up hope of finding Abbygail alive?

A spokesperson declined comment.

Q: Where is the father?

Police haven't identified the baby's father but say he's been interviewed several times and has been "very co-operative." It's believed he lives in the Guelph area.

Q: Are there any other "persons of interest" other than Whittington?

Police say there aren't.

Q: Has Whittington spoken to police?

Soon after being taken to hospital, Whittington was interviewed but has not been interviewed a second time, police say. It's not known why.

Q: Why hasn't Whittington spoken publicly, or appealed for help to find her baby since being released from hospital a week ago?

A family spokesperson described Whittington's condition as "fragile" and asked the public "to respect her privacy."

Q: If Whittington was so ill after Abbygail's birth, why would health officials discharge her with a baby?

Kim Planques, director of perinatal and women's health at London Health Sciences Centre's St. Joseph's Hospital, said there are basically four reasons a baby wouldn't be discharged with a mother including:

- If the mother isn't capable of taking care of herself.

- Concerns over the baby's safety under the Child Protection Act.

- The baby is being adopted.

- The baby isn't well, but the mother would be kept at hospital.

Diabetes, the illness Whittington suffers from, isn't among the reasons.

[Brooke]

Thanks for the update Sarah1228

[kaylynn]

http://lfpress.ca/cgi-bin/publish.cgi?x=articles&p=198774&s=hottopics
:rose:

[Sarah1228]

Abby was taken, mother says in letter to missing baby

Thu, October 4, 2007

By JOHN MINER, SUN MEDIA



The mother of a missing St. Thomas baby released a letter she has written to her daughter that includes a plea for her return.

Provided to The Free Press earlier today, it was provided through Sara Whittington's lawyer with the request from Whittington that it be published.

St. Thomas city police also released three clips from a surveillance video that shows Whittington walking into Shoppers Drug Mart at 204 First Ave. in St. Thomas at 9:05 p.m. on Sept. 18, the day they were last known seen together.

Whittington is alone in the clips.

Police said they have released the video in hopes it will jog someone's memory.

Look for the video later today on lfpress.com.

This is the letter by Sara Whittington:

My Baby Abby,

Someone took you away from me and left Mommy hurt and very ill.

All the time Mommy was sick she cried for you, she wanted to find you but she was in the hospital. Now she is getting much better and wants the person who took you away to bring you back where you belong – back to your mommy who needs to hold you and care for you like she did from the minute you were born.

Mommy knows that the person who took you away wanted the perfect baby to have. You are a perfect baby, but you are my baby. You grew under my heart and when you were born you were all I ever wanted.

You have other family who loves you too – Grammie and Poppa, Daddy, Nannie and Pappa, your sister and brother, and all of your uncles and aunts.

We all cry every day, we need you back, but mostly Mommy needs her special smiling girl in her arms.

Please, please bring my baby back. I know you are giving her good care but Abby needs her Mommy who lives only for her.

Please bring Abby to a hospital or police station so we can live as a family again.

Love to my precious cuddle bunny.

Love Mommy






This really makes me think that her daughter was not taken, I really think that maybe she did not want the child and by the sounds of the letter she knows who has Abby, IMO

[Brooke]

Does Sarah have other children? She mentions Abby's sister and brother missing her. I also believe she knows where Abby is or what has happend to her. I have 5 children and none of them "smiled" at less than one month of age. I believe IIRC Abby was Born August 26th and the last time she was seen was Sept 18th, so that would make her 3 weeks old.... Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

[Leanne Weich]

Maybe I'm cynical but that letter sounds contrived to me - not from her heart or the words of a mother desperate to find her child, imo.

Brooke, I agree with you that Abbygail was too young to be smiling.

[charlotteswe]

I was wondering about the mother having other kids too from that letter and if she does where are they? cause all the news reports from around st thomas and london says she lived alone in that apartment just her and the baby. Personally the letter doesnt sound that sincere it sounds like shes taken it from a really really bad hallmark card

[MaFitz]

Abi's dad could have other kids possibly? I was hoping that there would be some new news, but still nada!

Sarah thank you very very much for the question/answer section. It was interested.

The letter sounds more self-serving than it does a mother who is worried and aching for her baby to be back in her arms.

I am pretty sure my girls were smiling at 3 wks of age though? In their sleep they would grin out of the blue really. I remember that, I used to stare at them for hours and hours while they slept just waiting to catch the next one. But those first months are such a blur. I was very sleep deprived for the first 3 to 4 months with all four of them, so I don't remember a lot of it.

[Brooke]

Originally posted by MaFitz
Abi's dad could have other kids possibly? I was hoping that there would be some new news, but still nada!

Sarah thank you very very much for the question/answer section. It was interested.

The letter sounds more self-serving than it does a mother who is worried and aching for her baby to be back in her arms.

I am pretty sure my girls were smiling at 3 wks of age though? In their sleep they would grin out of the blue really. I remember that, I used to stare at them for hours and hours while they slept just waiting to catch the next one. But those first months are such a blur. I was very sleep deprived for the first 3 to 4 months with all four of them, so I don't remember a lot of it. [/*]

I remember the sleep smiles too, but thats different than an actual smiling baby, of course MOO.
Maybe Abby's father has other children. What is weird to me is why did she give the baby her maiden name and not her married name? I have lots of questions regarding Abby's father. The whole thing is very strange to me.


:rose: Praying for Baby Abby's safe return

[MaFitz]

Originally posted by Brooke


I remember the sleep smiles too, but thats different than an actual smiling baby, of course MOO.
Maybe Abby's father has other children. What is weird to me is why did she give the baby her maiden name and not her married name? I have lots of questions regarding Abby's father. The whole thing is very strange to me.


:rose: Praying for Baby Abby's safe return [/*]

I know, the family has just drawn up their wagons and no one is giving any information or insight into Sara, and she sure isn't making herself a sympathetic figure either. I wonder if members of her immediate family know what happened to Abi? If maybe she talked to them and that is why the family is not getting involved in the hunt for Abi, they just aren't doing any of the things that families who believe their relative is missing do.

I loved those smiles though. Some of my girls had that wide open toothless grin, and one just had that little smile that started with one corner of her mouth quivering.

[Leanne Weich]

The involuntary smiles of a very young baby are usually due to wind or so I was told when my kids were babies.

[Brooke]

Originally posted by MaFitz


I know, the family has just drawn up their wagons and no one is giving any information or insight into Sara, and she sure isn't making herself a sympathetic figure either. I wonder if members of her immediate family know what happened to Abi? If maybe she talked to them and that is why the family is not getting involved in the hunt for Abi, they just aren't doing any of the things that families who believe their relative is missing do.

I loved those smiles though. Some of my girls had that wide open toothless grin, and one just had that little smile that started with one corner of her mouth quivering. [/*]

Or when they were sound asleep in your arms and laughed a little (or what seemed like a laugh to me). Babies are so precious I cant imagine someone wanting to harm one, I know it happens but I cant imagine :flamemad:

[janna55]

Originally posted by Brooke


Or when they were sound asleep in your arms and laughed a little (or what seemed like a laugh to me). Babies are so precious I cant imagine someone wanting to harm one, I know it happens but I cant imagine :flamemad: [/*]

Last night I was at a parade and a lady next to me was holding a baby boy. He was so adorable and bright eyed and she kissed him every 10 seconds and talked to him. When I see something like that it should make me happy but it always makes me think of all the babies/children in the world who never get cuddled, kissed or talked to and never know the love and protection they deserve. Some are so lucky, so many are not. :(

[Brooke]

Todays update

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/10/05/4552001-sun.html

[txfemale45]

I have a 6 month old grandson and I told my daughter before he was born if I am too helpful tell or not helpful enough.. and just call and say "help" and I would step in she did not have to say anything else..... It is very stressful to have a newborn and you are soo soo tired.....

[Brooke]

Originally posted by txfemale45
I have a 6 month old grandson and I told my daughter before he was born if I am too helpful tell or not helpful enough.. and just call and say "help" and I would step in she did not have to say anything else..... It is very stressful to have a newborn and you are soo soo tired..... [/*]

ITA!!!

EVen when you think your alone with no one to help usually there is someone you just have to say the word. I got pregnant with my first child when I was VERY young (almost 15), It was hard, stressfull and there were days I could not go on, didnt want to go on and days I felt like running away. But I lived through it, my daughter is now 16 and we have an awsome relationship. Now I volunteer with a crisis pregnancy and resource center. There are so many people who just dont realise the help that is out there for them. We need more people to educate these young mothers (I amnot talking about only teens but early 20's as well) about the different resources available to them.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Brooke
Todays update

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/10/05/4552001-sun.html [/*]

Very strange. Sounds like Abby may have gone missing before Wednesday. What's up with mom not being prepared to talk to investigators without her attorney present? No happy ending here I don't think.

Brooke, another good thing people can do for single moms is to become a surrogate grandparent. I have done this for 7 children of 5 single moms and it is extremely rewarding for all of us. This not only fills a need for children without grandparents and gives the single moms a reliable outlet for their frustrations (and the added bonus of a free babvsitter) but has been a tremendous help for me. I have 2 biological grandchildren in South Africa who I see twice a year and this helps me too, so it's a two way street. It is so fulfilling to have these wonderful children in my life to spoil and love.

[Breazy]

Oh, how I hope and pray that baby Abbygail is safe wherever she is! I'm on the fence about Mom, not sure yet but doesn't sound good. I agree that letter sounds contrived.

[MaFitz]

Originally posted by Brooke


Or when they were sound asleep in your arms and laughed a little (or what seemed like a laugh to me). Babies are so precious I cant imagine someone wanting to harm one, I know it happens but I cant imagine :flamemad: [/*]

I remember the hell my life became with the birth of my first one. She never seemed to sleep for more than 15 min at a time, and I was 19, and was going psycho. I felt like I was a complete failure as a mother and that was why she was crying. Lord I remember all the times I held her in my arms trying to soothe her rand crying right along with her. I remember being afraid of myself because there were times during those first 3 months with her that I did think about doing something to make her stop crying all the time. I mean that I actually did think about hurting her. And that just made me hate myself even more.

I talked to everyone about it, even the people who stopped me in the store to tell me how adorable she is. and finally, a very nice woman who was in her 30s gave me 15 minutes in the grocery store one day. It was called postpartum depression, the lack of sleep, and the baby that I felt powerless to soothe, had altered my state of mind to such a degree that I was a danger to my infant and to myself.

That woman making me aware of what was going on in my own body and head, is what got me through the most terrifying period as a mother. She was so kind to me, and made me feel so much better about myself, and what I was doing. To this day I can't pass a parent who is bogged down with a screaming kid without stopping to ask them if I can be of some assistance to them.

That experience with my firstborn is why I can see how a parent can reach that point of no return. The people around you can be unsympathetic and intolerant of your complaints. And I think many times when a parent ends up killing their newborn, it has a lot to do with the lack of emotional support they have from those making contact with them. They are literally left to their deteriorating mental state and they will finally reach that point of no return.

We then end up with a baby whose life has been stolen before it ever really began, and a parent that has gone to an extreme that they can never take back.

[MaFitz]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/10/06/4554667-sun.html

The mother and father of missing St. Thomas baby Abbygail Dice had an angry exchange just days before the infant disappeared, the lawyer for the mother said at a news conference yesterday.

[I]Glover also revealed, in the first public appearance by Whittington since Abbygail's disappearance, that Whittington visited the baby's father out of town the Thursday and Friday before the disappearance.

After the two had an angry exchange, the mother prepared notes on the custody issue and her relationship with the father. On Monday, Sept. 17, she went to a family law information clinic, located at the St. Thomas police station, for counselling about custody.

St. Thomas police said in an earlier news release there was no evidence of a custody dispute.

"He is not a distant father who hasn't been seen or heard of," Glover said.

Glover still praised St. Thomas police's efforts to find Abbygail.

"We are very pleased and proud of the job done by the St. Thomas police," he said.

Abbygail was reported missing Sept. 20 when her diabetic mother was found unconscious.

Whittington was found in her St. Thomas apartment. The last time the baby and mother were reportedly seen together was 2:30 p.m. on Sept. 18.

Sitting silent and composed beside Glover during the hour-long news conference at the London Press Club that was attended by invitation by St. Thomas city police, Whittington didn't take questions.

Instead, speaking in a steady voice, she read the letter she wrote to her daughter after she disappeared, including an appeal for Abbygail's safe return.

Glover said he and a team from the law firm are conducting their own investigation to help St. Thomas police with the goal of finding Abbygail.

Evidence they've turned up includes records showing Whittington bought baby supplies at the Real Canadian Superstore in St. Thomas at 2 p.m. on Sept. 18.

Glover said that when he inspected and photographed Whittington's fridge, it was filled with prepared baby formula in bottles.

He said he found a broken insulin needle on the floor of her apartment, calling the find a "major" piece of evidence.

"That needle is the thing that separated Sara from death," he said.

Asked if it was his theory Abbygail was taken from the apartment while her mother was in a diabetic coma, Glover said it was a possible theory.

A printout from Whittington's glucometer, a device that records blood sugar levels, showed her sugar levels had been increasing through September and "were off the scale" the week of the disappearance, he said.

He also said another possibility, which has to be thoroughly investigated, is that Abbygail came to harm while in Sara's care. Just as the needle was dropped, the mother could have dropped Abbygail.

"The mystery is how did Abbygail get out of the apartment? Glover said. "If Sara's health was so bad she was dropping her child and dropping her insulin needle, then I have trouble imagining how she left the apartment, hid Abbygail and then came back to the apartment and then lay down to die."

Glover said Whittington has no memory of the Wednesday and Thursday of the week Abbygail disappeared and only a hazy memory of Tuesday.

Her cellphone showed she made phone calls and sent text messages Tuesday, but nothing Wednesday and Thursday, he said.

Glover directly addressed questions about the case raised in London Free Press articles, including:

- Where is Abbygail? "Sara does not know. She has a dim recollection of Tuesday, no memory of Wednesday or Thursday. She was wearing the same clothes apparently on Thursday that she was wearing on Tuesday night in the Shoppers Drug video." (Police provided a video to the media showing Whittington in the store with no signs of the baby.)

- Police say there is no evidence of a custody dispute over Abbygail. "We have determined there are issues between Sara and the father of the child that have been documented and provided to the police."

- Did anyone else have key access to Sara's apartment? "Sara has a key, the superintendent has a key and Sara indicates Abbygail's father has a key. To the best of her knowledge there are three keys."

- Police say there is no evidence of an abduction. "There are two possibilities. Abbygail left the apartment with Sara or . . . she left the apartment with someone else. We have no evidence Abbygail left the apartment with Sara and we will not exclude the possibility she left the apartment with someone else. If Abbygail left the apartment with someone else, there was an abduction."

Whittington was interviewed for six hours by police in one session when she was in intensive care and another hour after she spoke to her lawyer, Glover said.

She has agreed to meet again with police for another interview, he said.

[MaFitz]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/10/05/4552001-sun.html

The mystery surrounding little Abbygail Dice's disappearance took two unexpected twists yesterday as the investigation dragged into its third week.

- In a letter to her missing month-old daughter Abbygail, released to The Free Press, the infant's mother, Sara Whittington, pleads for the child's safe return.

- And St. Thomas police released video clips of Whittington shopping in a St. Thomas drugstore on the last day she and Abbygail were reported seen together. The baby is not with Whittington in the store.

"Please, please bring my baby back," Whittington writes in the letter released through her lawyer.

"I know you are giving her good care but Abby needs her Mommy who lives only for her.

"Someone took you away from me and left Mommy hurt and very ill."

Whittington's lawyer, Bill Glover, said she'll make a statement at a news conference today.

St. Thomas police, who characterize Whittington as a "person of interest" in the case, released three video clips of Whittington taken at 9 p.m. on Sept. 18 by surveillance cameras at the Shoppers Drug Mart at 204 First Ave., in St. Thomas. The last time Abbygail was reportedly seen with her mother was at 2:30 p.m. that day.

Whittington is shown entering the store, making a purchase and leaving. Abbygail is not with her in the video.

Police said they also have discovered Whittington made a purchase at another Shoppers Drug Mart, at 107 Edward St., in St. Thomas, at 8:30 p.m. She was wearing a dark blue or black jacket, a light blue shirt, black pants, glasses and was carrying a black purse.

St. Thomas police Const. Anders Neilsen said police hope the video clips will jog someone's memory and help officers trace Whittington's movements from 2:30 p.m. to 9 p.m. that day.

"We are trying to establish what she was doing when she was leaving and coming to the drug store. Was she on foot, was she driving a car, was anybody else in the car, that sort of thing?" Neilsen said.

Police launched a search for the missing child after Whittington, a diabetic, was found alone and unconscious in her Confederation Drive apartment.

She was hospitalized for a week.

Whittington went to the St. Thomas police station Wednesday this week, but left after declining to speak to police investigators without the presence of one of her lawyers, police said.

Investigators believe she has information that would help them locate Abbygail, police said in a release yesterday.

Glover said he met with St. Thomas police yesterday and they have fully co-operated with police, providing them with physical evidence that she was out of her apartment on Sept. 18.

"The fact she was out at Shoppers Drug Mart on Tuesday night is new information but it doesn't take away from our belief that something happened on Wednesday or Thursday," Glover said.

There is no evidence Whittington left her apartment on those two days, he said.

"She made no outgoing cellphone calls, no outgoing text messages, no purchases from her debit bank card."

[Brooke]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/10/05/4553509.html


This article says Abby's mother and father had a custody dispute days before she disappeared. This gives me a small ray of hope that Abby is alive, somewhere. I hope this doesnt turn out like the Trenton Duckett case and we will never know what has happend to this sweet baby girl.

:rose: Praying for Abby's safe return home

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Brooke
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/10/05/4553509.html


This article says Abby's mother and father had a custody dispute days before she disappeared. This gives me a small ray of hope that Abby is alive, somewhere. I hope this doesnt turn out like the Trenton Duckett case and we will never know what has happend to this sweet baby girl.

:rose: Praying for Abby's safe return home [/*]

I'm wondering if Abby's mom harmed Abby thinking the blame would be placed on the dad. I would think, by now, LE would have named dad a POI if there was proof of a custody dispute.

Mom, imo, is just too damn composed. My kids were kidnapped by their father when they were very young and I had an eye witness to him taking them. I was beyond distraught and couldn't compose myself, no matter how hard I tried.

[charlotteswe]

It Just Seems A Little To Convenient That Now The Mother Says There Was A Custody Dispute With The Dad. The Police Have No Records Showing She Went To That Family Dispute Center To Get Info On Custody Disputes And Its In The St Thomas Police Station. She Does Seem Really Composed In The News Report Which Doesnt Make Her Look Good In My Eyes. All This Stuff About The Bent Syringe And Hinting That Someone Injected her. She Could Have Very Well Injected Herself Also. I Dont Get How They Got All This Evidence When The Police Had Already Been Combing The Apartment. Did They Steal This Evidence? If They Did Talk About Hindering A Police Investigation

[MaFitz]

Originally posted by Brooke
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/10/05/4553509.html


This article says Abby's mother and father had a custody dispute days before she disappeared. This gives me a small ray of hope that Abby is alive, somewhere. I hope this doesnt turn out like the Trenton Duckett case and we will never know what has happend to this sweet baby girl.

:rose: Praying for Abby's safe return home [/*]

It really sounds contrived doesn't it?

I was thinking when I read the last article that Abby's disappearance may have been premeditated by the mom. The broken needle, the blood sugar level increases over a span of time, shopping on the Tuesday alone for baby supplies.

I wonder if Abby was already "missing" when mom went to the store and purchase baby supplies.

[MaFitz]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


I'm wondering if Abby's mom harmed Abby thinking the blame would be placed on the dad. I would think, by now, LE would have named dad a POI if there was proof of a custody dispute.

Mom, imo, is just too damn composed. My kids were kidnapped by their father when they were very young and I had an eye witness to him taking them. I was beyond distraught and couldn't compose myself, no matter how hard I tried. [/*]

The stages a parent goes through when they lose a child are similar to the stages a parent goes through when a child actually dies. Abby's mom is definitely not acting like the typical parent.

You know you likely have prevented deaths in your proactive role in the lives of these single parent homes. How did you get started doing something like that? It is such a great idea.

[MaFitz]

:rose: Bumping for Abbygail Never Forgotten:rose:

[txfemale45]

Any news today?

[Rachel0514]

Nothing for the last few days. A friend of mine is a St. Thomas police officer and he said that they're following up on every tip they get but right now they're running out of places to look.

There's too many things that just aren't adding up. She was seen in Shoppers Tuesday night without the baby, yet no one has come forward saying that they had the baby on Tuesday night, so where was Abby? Did she leave her in the car? It seems funny that her lawyer is now trying to focus on the baby's father, when police cleared him as a POI just a few days after she was reported missing. Same for Sarah's ex husband. Both were investigated, both were co-operative and both were cleared. Not to mention the house key issue. The police originally said that only Sarah and the super had keys, now the lawyer claims the father had keys as well. Did they "forget" to mention that to police 3 weeks ago? It seems like her lawyer is grasping at straws at this point, trying to shift the focus to anyone but Sarah.

[Brooke]

I wonder WHAT did Sarah buy at the store Tuesday evening. Could be relevant maybe not but definately worth checking out!
In one article the lawyer says they thought there was a murder charge and thats why they told Sarah not to speak without them present, why in the world if Abby was only missing would they assume there is a murder charge against Sarah? Too many unanswered questions here.....

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Brooke
I wonder WHAT did Sarah buy at the store Tuesday evening. Could be relevant maybe not but definately worth checking out!
In one article the lawyer says they thought there was a murder charge and thats why they told Sarah not to speak without them present, why in the world if Abby was only missing would they assume there is a murder charge against Sarah? Too many unanswered questions here..... [/*]


If I remember correctly, it was stated ealier on the thread that she was buying baby supplies (no specifics).

[Sarah1228]

Originally posted by Breazy



If I remember correctly, it was stated ealier on the thread that she was buying baby supplies (no specifics). [/*]

Sara had receipts that she had purchased baby supplies earlier in the day from the real canadian super store. That night when she was on film in two different shoppers drug mart stores within a half hour time span without Abby, she was purchasing Nyquil & Tylenol according to the employee who rang through her items. REally doesn't make sense to me. 1) Where was Abby?
2) Who was babysitting?
3) Why were you buying Nyquilll when you are diabetic and can't take it?
4) If the Nyquill qas for someone else ; who was it for? Who is your alibi?
5) They stated that they found Sara's purchases in her Apt. and that they are being held as evidence (Why would the police hold Nyquil as evidence unless the are getting at..... she gave it to Abby.... Or she took it herself to try to do harm)

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Sarah1228


Sara had receipts that she had purchased baby supplies earlier in the day from the real canadian super store. That night when she was on film in two different shoppers drug mart stores within a half hour time span without Abby, she was purchasing Nyquil & Tylenol according to the employee who rang through her items. REally doesn't make sense to me. 1) Where was Abby?
2) Who was babysitting?
3) Why were you buying Nyquilll when you are diabetic and can't take it?
4) If the Nyquill qas for someone else ; who was it for? Who is your alibi?
5) They stated that they found Sara's purchases in her Apt. and that they are being held as evidence (Why would the police hold Nyquil as evidence unless the are getting at..... she gave it to Abby.... Or she took it herself to try to do harm) [/*]


Thanks for setting the record straight. Do you know if the Nyquil and Tylenol had been opened?

[Sarah1228]

Originally posted by Breazy



Thanks for setting the record straight. Do you know if the Nyquil and Tylenol had been opened? [/*]

No sorry I don't, they didn't release that information, the police wouldn't even confirm that it was Nyquil but the news reporter had the lady who was working the cash register at Shoppers that night on and she said that it was Nyquil

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Sarah1228


No sorry I don't, they didn't release that information, the police wouldn't even confirm that it was Nyquil but the news reporter had the lady who was working the cash register at Shoppers that night on and she said that it was Nyquil [/*]


Thanks. I hope to God she didn't overdose Abbygail with Nyquil. Is that possible? I would think that it would be.

[Sarah1228]

Originally posted by Breazy



Thanks. I hope to God she didn't overdose Abbygail with Nyquil. Is that possible? I would think that it would be. [/*]

It is really sad to say but yes it is possible, If a 1 month old infant were overdosed with Nyquil they would die with no medical attention.

[Brooke]

If a diabetic took enough nyquil it could send them into diabetic coma (due to the high sugar content). Sarah could have been trying to commit suicuide by overdosing on nyquil and elevating her sugars to that unsafe point. I wonder if the bottles were empty.... IMO I believe Sarah harmed Abbygail on Tuesday afternoon, I dont think there was ever anyone else in the apartment.

[Sarah1228]

Originally posted by Brooke
If a diabetic took enough nyquil it could send them into diabetic coma (due to the high sugar content). Sarah could have been trying to commit suicuide by overdosing on nyquil and elevating her sugars to that unsafe point. I wonder if the bottles were empty.... IMO I believe Sarah harmed Abbygail on Tuesday afternoon, I dont think there was ever anyone else in the apartment. [/*]

I agree with you. I think they are now trying to take the heat off Sara and put in on Abby's father. First off they say that the only people who have keys to the apartment are Sara and the super of the building and now they are saying that Abbys father had one... very strange. Also is it possible for someone to just come out of a diabetic coma on their own, with no insulin?

[Brooke]

Originally posted by Sarah1228


I agree with you. I think they are now trying to take the heat off Sara and put in on Abby's father. First off they say that the only people who have keys to the apartment are Sara and the super of the building and now they are saying that Abbys father had one... very strange. Also is it possible for someone to just come out of a diabetic coma on their own, with no insulin? [/*]

When you have diabetes and have to use injectable insulin it is because your body (pancreas) does not make insulin any longer, so no they could not come out of it on thier own, it would result in death because there is nothing (activity/insulin) to bring the sugar in you blood down. Make sense?

[wasapi]

Originally posted by Brooke


When you have diabetes and have to use injectable insulin it is because your body (pancreas) does not make insulin any longer, so no they could not come out of it on thier own, it would result in death because there is nothing (activity/insulin) to bring the sugar in you blood down. Make sense? [/*]


You are incorrect.

[Brooke]

Originally posted by wasapi



You are incorrect. [/*]

http://diabetes.health.ivillage.com/glucose/diabeticcoma.cfm

"A person in a diabetic coma is still breathing but has impaired brain function that keeps the individual unconscious and unable to communicate. Prompt treatment is necessary to prevent long-term, irreversible damage and return the individual to consciousness. In rare cases, delayed treatment can result in death"

[Sarah1228]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/CityandRegion/2007/10/10/4563683-sun.html

Todays London Free Press article

[Breazy]

Sounds like by this article that the baby's father is not involved. I'm thinking maybe she did something to Baby Abbygail as a result of Post Partum or something and then maybe tried to kill herself by drinking the Nyquil which sent her into the diabetic coma. I don't know, just thinking out loud.

[Sarah1228]

Todays St.Thomas Times Journal
(police are ready to challenge Sara)

http://www.stthomastimesjournal.com/News/344404.html

[lilrok]

ive read through all of these posts and im just blown away...
first
the police said she was in one drug store buying baby items then in the other buying non baby items?(nyquil/tylenol) am i clear on that?
second
why the hell was an amber alert not issued when they didnt find the baby within the first 24/48 hours? obviously now after all this time of not even finding her body someone has her...
third
why hasnt the mother told who she was with the night she was in the stores(18th) or where the baby was while she was in there alone?
forth
if the father is not in a relationship with the mother any longer maybe he would have an alterior motive for not wanting the baby and not wanting to pay child support, he could have easily given his key(if he had one) to someone else , to take the baby from her...
fifth
who' kids are the siblings? whats their ages? where were they when this happend? who has custody of them? and why?

too many questions ...such a sad story

i pray she is found healthy and alive, i know id never rest untill i found my child...shes my world...i cant imagine giving life then not having her here with me to hold and love forever....

God Speed

[jtazzy]

My heart just goes out to Abbyqail....you know I didn't want to believe for so long that Sara did something to this baby, but know I am begining to think otherwise.....


I so hope that it is still possible to find the baby alive....

[Breazy]

Originally posted by lilrok
ive read through all of these posts and im just blown away...
first
the police said she was in one drug store buying baby items then in the other buying non baby items?(nyquil/tylenol) am i clear on that?
second
why the hell was an amber alert not issued when they didnt find the baby within the first 24/48 hours? obviously now after all this time of not even finding her body someone has her...
third
why hasnt the mother told who she was with the night she was in the stores(18th) or where the baby was while she was in there alone?
forth
if the father is not in a relationship with the mother any longer maybe he would have an alterior motive for not wanting the baby and not wanting to pay child support, he could have easily given his key(if he had one) to someone else , to take the baby from her...
fifth
who' kids are the siblings? whats their ages? where were they when this happend? who has custody of them? and why?

too many questions ...such a sad story

i pray she is found healthy and alive, i know id never rest untill i found my child...shes my world...i cant imagine giving life then not having her here with me to hold and love forever....

God Speed [/*]


Great questions!! I, too wish I had those answers! Praying for Baby Abbygail's safety!!!

:rose:

[lilrok]

so at the " Real Canadian superstore" is that the last time she was seen with the baby? on their surveilence cameras? or who saw her with the baby last? do we know? and what baby items were bought?

[Sarah1228]

Originally posted by lilrok
so at the " Real Canadian superstore" is that the last time she was seen with the baby? on their surveilence cameras? or who saw her with the baby last? do we know? and what baby items were bought? [/*]

Hi there,

Yes the last time that they can pove that she was seen with her baby was at 2:30 in the afternoon buying baby items. They didn't release what she bought, just classified them as baby items. Then the same day at 8:30 pm she was in one shoppers without Abby and 9pm in a different Shoppers drug mart without Abby ,buying Nyquil & Tylenol

[lilrok]

thank you...

that makes sense...


i dont normally, post on missing children topics or any topics actually, but this one just really got to me for some reason..
i cant seem to walk away from this after reading it this morning .. i keep hoping that each time i open it there will be good news....

:rose:

[Sarah1228]

Originally posted by lilrok
thank you...

any word on who / where the siblings are or their ages?

i dont normally, post on missing children topics or any topics actually, but this one just really got to me for some reason..
i cant seem to walk away from this after reading it this morning .. i keep hoping that each time i open it there will be good news....

:rose: [/*]

They haven't released the fathers name (her exboyfriend) or her ex-husbands name (although we do know his last name is Whittington) We also don't know if the children are her's or if they are her ex-boyfriends, the father of Abbygail.

[lilrok]

geez it kinda made it easier for me to think shed been taken (you know ...then shed be alive) now it looks like something bad did really happen to this poor baby....breaks my heart...
i sit here looking at my two year old cringing at the thought of anything bad happening to her.....my world would just end...
my hope will be she gave the baby to someone and thet she is in fact alive somewhere....one can hope right?

they did mention something about blood on the apartment floor though didnt they?

any reports back from the lab about the apartment and car yet?

[lilrok]

no new updates?

[Breazy]

Anybody seen or heard anything about Baby Abbygail? She's in my thoughts and prayers . . .

[txfemale45]

:rose: for baby Abbygail

[lilrok]

where is baby Abbygail? someone has to know....
let me have 5 minutes with the mother... ill get it out of her....

we're praying for you sweet baby Abbygail :rose:

[kaylynn]

Originally posted by Breazy
Anybody seen or heard anything about Baby Abbygail? She's in my thoughts and prayers . . . [/*]
I haven't seen anything new.
:(

[Rachel0514]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/10/13/4572486-sun.html

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/CityandRegion/2007/10/13/4572469-sun.html

New updates from Saturdays London Free Press. I don't understand the response to the first question though, if she remembers everything up until the Monday before Abby went missing why does she have to relearn where she is, streets and such. How much of her memory did she lose? Also she claims that as soon as she saw her mother she immediately thought "Where's Abby?" but all earlier reports said she was so confused that she didn't recognize her mother.

[MaFitz]

Abi's mom knows where she is. She is just too selfish to speak. The world revolves around her, and she wants Abi to be forgotten. I spent so much time trying to understand how a child could go missing, but in truth, I hate Abi's parents.

On one hand she had a father who did not want her, and on the other a mom who had no use for her. And now she is gone. A beautiful baby that is better than the two people who created her, and she has been robbed of her own chance to breathe because of the people who gave her life.

It makes me sick! She should be crawling now, and trying to walk. She should be trying to explore her world. Her so-called mom owes her the right to at least be laid to rest. Her dad is clean because he never wanted to have her so his hands get to be clean, and Abi gets to be thrown away because she had two parents who cared nothing for her.

She will be found! She has to be. She matters.

[n/t]

Thanks for the updates. I can't believe she hasn't been found yet. :(

:rose:

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Rachel0514
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/10/13/4572486-sun.html

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/CityandRegion/2007/10/13/4572469-sun.html

New updates from Saturdays London Free Press. I don't understand the response to the first question though, if she remembers everything up until the Monday before Abby went missing why does she have to relearn where she is, streets and such. How much of her memory did she lose? Also she claims that as soon as she saw her mother she immediately thought "Where's Abby?" but all earlier reports said she was so confused that she didn't recognize her mother. [/*]

I'm sorry to say, Mom's story sounds like BS to me. This is the perfect set up for an insanity defence, imo.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Rios, A


Yep. She will likely pull it off too, women and the law is alot like the states here in Canada. jmo [/*]

To be honest, unless there were medical records of previous mental health problems, there is no way I'd fall for it if I was on a jury.

[lilrok]

i dont buy a word of her story..i sure hope the police dont either...

how convienant she has no memory from monday, when her so called injury didnt happen till wednesday night ..i have never heard of such a thing
what a crock!!!!

when will they put this mother in jail? and get out of her where the baby is?

[MsRyber]

Originally posted by MaFitz


On one hand she had a father who did not want her, and on the other a mom who had no use for her. And now she is gone. A beautiful baby that is better than the two people who created her, and she has been robbed of her own chance to breathe because of the people who gave her life.



She will be found! She has to be. She matters. [/*]

Hey hold up...the father never said he didn't want her. It is my understanding that this was one of those "If you aren't going to be with me, you aren't going to see your daughter" type deals. The father was definitely in touch with his little girl. She broke up with her husband a year ago. She claims she was in an on-going relationship with the father of her child (not her husband). Quick math, anyone?
I want to know if the ex-husband was involved with the child as well, or if just the boyfriend (baby biological daddy) had visitation.

[JMChandler]

Hi Everyone,

What do you think of the latest ?

http://www.fyilondon.com/specialreports/hottopics.html

Q & A: Mom believes baby alive
Joe Belanger and Daniela Simunac
Sun Media
October 13, 2007

Speaking publicly for the first time since her infant girl went missing Sept. 20, Sara Whittington of St. Thomas sat down with Free Press reporters Joe Belanger and Daniela Simunac Oct. 12. Following is an edited version of the interview.


Sara Whittington speaks to London Free Press reporters at her parents' London home about her missing daughter, Abbygail Dice. (SUSAN BRADNAM/Sun Media)


Q. How are you feeling now?

A: I haven't regained my memory. I'm learning my neighbourhood all over again. Streets. My whereabouts. Everything is getting relearned. It's quite frightening and difficult.

Q. Where does your memory stop and . . . begin again?

I can't remember anything from Monday to, I think it is Thursday, to the time that I was found that day (Sept. 20).

Q. We know you were communicating with people on Tuesday. Do you recall anything?

I'm not really recalling that.

Q. Police have issued surveillance videos showing you bought things from two Shopper Drug Mart stores. Have you seen those videos?

I've seen them on television. I was surprised . . . I did recognize that was me. But I don't recall being there.

Q. Do you know what you bought . . . in those stores?

I don't.

Q. Could you describe Abbygail?

She's just a perfect baby . . . born eight pounds, seven ounces . She's got lots of rolls on her.

Q. What was the first moment when you realized, 'I have a baby and where is it?'

I think that was the first thought. When my mom came into the apartment and found me, that was my very first thought.

Q. Do you have other children?

No, Abby is my only one. She's my miracle baby. I never thought or expected I would have children. She was a big surprise to me, being diabetic . . . She was my one and only. Everything was about Abby.

Q. How long were you married?

Four years.

Q. When did that end?

In the fall of last year.

Q. What kind of relationship did you have with Abbygail's father (not the man to whom she had been married)?

It was a relationship. It was continuing.

Q. Did he live in the apartment with you?

No.

Q. Is that relationship continuing today?

No, we have not spoken since (the collapse).

Q. Had the relationship ended before you collapsed?

No, we hadn't broken up.

Q. Where's Abbygail?

I don't know where she is. And I'm so consumed, that's all I can think about day and night. What I feel is, whoever has her must be taking care of her. Otherwise . . . (quiet).

Q. It seems like you're saying someone has taken the baby.

That's what I believe.

Q. What's the alternative?

I don't want to think about that.

Q. How has your support system been . . . ?

My friends are being wonderful. They've been visiting me and talking to me on a regular basis. Longtime friends that I haven't talked to in a long, long time. It feels really good knowing that so many people care.

Q. Would it be of comfort to you if you knew that you did something?

I've thought about that. I'd like very much to know. I've got ideas, such as my balcony is just on the second floor and it was open.

Q. But you believe Abby is with someone alive and well?

Even when I walk down the street, I look at baby buggies and I look in the strollers. When I hear a baby cry . . . I'll look to see if it's my baby . . .

Q. Who would take a baby?

I've thought about that over and over again. Maybe someone who is unable to have their own children or someone who is horribly desperate. Somebody who is jealous. Somebody who has lost children of their own.

Q. What would you say to them?

She's my baby and it's time to give her back to me. It's been long enough. It's time to bring her back to her mom. She has a lot of people who love her . . . She needs to come home.

Q. What was the holiday like at your house this year?

There was no Thanksgiving for us . . .

Q. What was it like finding out you were pregnant after thinking you couldn't conceive?

I was stunned. I couldn't believe it. It was so overwhelming . . . The pregnancy was wonderful. Everything was perfect.

Q. What . . . do you do on the job at the Elgin Association for Community Living?

I plan activities for people to maintain normal lifestyles. I was almost fortunate that in the last two months of my pregnancy, my work was off on a strike so I was able to take time off and make sure my health was good . . .

Q. How do you view the police investigation?

I'm frustrated that it's taking so long. I thought that it would last a day or two.

Q. How has the stress of this . . . been for your family?

It seems like this has brought us all closer together as a family. This was such a shock. Abby's the first grandchild (for her parents).

Q. You once had the daily routine of a mother . . . How do you feel without Abby and not knowing her whereabouts?

It hurts so bad and it feels like every day it gets worse.

Q. Your daily routine now?

Nothing. Once a day I try to go out for a bit of a walk.

Q. Police have named you the only person of interest in this case. How does that feel?

It's frustrating . . . I'm the one who loves her and I'm the one who takes care of her. Nobody else feels for her the way that I do.

Q. Are you angry with the police?

No . . . I'm frustrated. I do appreciate the work they've been doing, looking for Abby . . . It seems like the community is really getting together, working together.

Q. Your last moment with Abby that you remember?

We just had dinner. Just the bedtime routine. It was like a normal night for us. It was a good day. There was a little bit of playing before bed.

Q. Did you feel a lot of pressure when you found out you were pregnant?

I don't know if it was pressure, but it was shock, for sure. I was so excited, but scared at the same time that everything was going to be healthy and smooth throughout the pregnancy. And it was.

Q. What kind of contact have you had with police since Abby's gone missing?

The only real contact . . . was that first day . . . Nothing was making sense to me.

Q. Knowing your medical condition, did you provide to have anyone around who would help care for the baby?

No, I didn't feel that there was a need. No, we were both healthy.

Q. What prompted your mom to come and check up on you (that day you were found)?

We had plans to go out the day before. She tried calling me. I wasn't returning her calls. She was curious . . .

[lilrok]

personally i think the mom either did this to get attention from the babys father and gave her to someone to hide her for awhile then suddenly drop her off at a fire station or something so she magicly re-appears again or she simply sold the baby.....

i dont buy any of this other crap and i think its time for the police to arrest her and find out the truth and stop messin around...
she is the only person of interest right?

its been a month now come on......

where are the lab results about the blood in the mothers apartment?
is there a way for someone to get in and out of(holding an infant) the balcony door?

[JMChandler]

I tend to think it wasn't premeditated. My suspicion is that she was overwhelmed with caring for a newborn and went out for a breather, leaving the baby alone. She comes home and the baby has suffocated. She panics and comes up with this 'plan' to cover her tracks.
She knows she has a date with her mother Wednesday, so she takes something which she knows will send her into a diabetic coma, relying on the fact that her mother will come looking for her.

Thoughts anyone?

Joan

[Brooke]

All the articles I have read have said nothing about finding blood in her apartment, IIRC it was a poster who said she heard it from a friend who heard it on a police scanner.
I agree that she probbly did this to get attention, wether from Abby's father, her ex-husband, her parents, who knows. Whatever has happend to baby Abby IMO is her mothers fault and I believe she knows what has happend and where Abby is.

GAME OVER Sarah tell the truth and BRING ABBY HOME!!! :flamemad:

[lilrok]

i just dont want to believe this baby is dead...id rather hope someone has her...

but in any case i agree the mother needs to fess up already and bring this baby home ....

i thought i read somewhere about the blood..sorry if i was mistaken, i guess thats good though.


Joan makes some really good points too

[JMChandler]

I would sure like to believe that Abby is still alive but I'm afraid I can't see how that's possible and it breaks my heart.
I live in the St. Thomas area so this is really hitting home. I go into the Shoppers' that she went to on a regular basis. You start looking at everyone differently.

Like you all are saying though...Sara KNOWS what happened. She has to. No matter what happens she will have to live with that the rest of her life!

[n/t]

Originally posted by JMChandler
I tend to think it wasn't premeditated. My suspicion is that she was overwhelmed with caring for a newborn and went out for a breather, leaving the baby alone. She comes home and the baby has suffocated. She panics and comes up with this 'plan' to cover her tracks.
She knows she has a date with her mother Wednesday, so she takes something which she knows will send her into a diabetic coma, relying on the fact that her mother will come looking for her.

Thoughts anyone?

Joan [/*]

Not buying that at all. If she cared for her child, she'd call for immediate help if the baby was found unconcious or not breathing. How does a baby suffocate on their own?

The only part I agree with you on is that she was probably overwhelmed by a newborn especially if the child cried a lot and she may have snapped. Maybe she shook the baby to make her stop crying resulting in death. Baby not breathing. Panic. Dispose of the baby and then the cover up story of someone taking the baby.

Sadly, I think she killed Abbygail. It wasn't premeditated but she killed her. :(

IMO!

I hope Abbygail is found and gets a proper burial. :rose:

[annalyzer]

From above link:

"Q. Could you describe Abbygail?

She's just a perfect baby . . . born eight pounds, seven ounces . She's got lots of rolls on her. "

Well at least she isn't talking about her baby in the past tense like so many do that we later find out was the killer.

[wasapi]

Originally posted by JMChandler
I tend to think it wasn't premeditated. My suspicion is that she was overwhelmed with caring for a newborn and went out for a breather, leaving the baby alone. She comes home and the baby has suffocated. She panics and comes up with this 'plan' to cover her tracks.
She knows she has a date with her mother Wednesday, so she takes something which she knows will send her into a diabetic coma, relying on the fact that her mother will come looking for her.

Thoughts anyone?

Joan [/*]

That's an interesting concept - it certainly does seem likely. Even if it wasn't a case of her leaving, but perhaps a case of her shaking the baby and then panicing?

[n/t]

Originally posted by annalyzer
From above link:

"Q. Could you describe Abbygail?

She's just a perfect baby . . . born eight pounds, seven ounces . She's got lots of rolls on her. "

Well at least she isn't talking about her baby in the past tense like so many do that we later find out was the killer. [/*]

I agree. However, I did notice a few red flags in her interview.

Q. We know you were communicating with people on Tuesday. Do you recall anything?

I'm not really recalling that.


I'm "not really" recalling that? You either recall it or don't.


Q. How long were you married?

Four years.

Q. When did that end?

In the fall of last year.

Q. What kind of relationship did you have with Abbygail's father (not the man to whom she had been married)?

It was a relationship. It was continuing.


Sounds like it wasn't a healthy relationship to me. "It was a relationship". I can almost feel her shrugging her shoulders like saying yeah whatever, it was a relationship.

Wonder if she really wanted this baby? If she did, did she perhaps regret it later? Maybe things weren't so great with Abby's father. Getting pregnant thinking she could have this man but he wanted nothing to do with her??

All speculation on my part. Hope we get the truth soon.

:rose:

[n/t]

Q. What kind of relationship did you have with Abbygail's father (not the man to whom she had been married)?

It was a relationship. It was continuing.

Q. Is that relationship continuing today?

No, we have not spoken since (the collapse).

Q. Had the relationship ended before you collapsed?

No, we hadn't broken up.


She refers to the relationship as continuing then she goes on to say that no it's not continuing and they haven't spoken since the collapse and then finishes it off by saying that the relationship didn't end because they hadn't broken up?? :confused:

Which is it??

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by n/t


Not buying that at all. If she cared for her child, she'd call for immediate help if the baby was found unconcious or not breathing. How does a baby suffocate on their own?

The only part I agree with you on is that she was probably overwhelmed by a newborn especially if the child cried a lot and she may have snapped. Maybe she shook the baby to make her stop crying resulting in death. Baby not breathing. Panic. Dispose of the baby and then the cover up story of someone taking the baby.

Sadly, I think she killed Abbygail. It wasn't premeditated but she killed her. :(

IMO!

I hope Abbygail is found and gets a proper burial. :rose: [/*]

Yes me too.

You're probably right that it wasn't as innocent as the baby dying in her crib when she'd gone out (there are such things as SIDS where a baby can stop breathing). The 'snapping' scenario makes more sense. If one can make any sense out of this!

They did say the interview was edited, but I too noticed a number of red flags.

When asked when's the last time she remembers being with Abby, she says having supper and putting her to bed MONDAY night. She's now completely lost Tuesday as well? This is the day she's seen with the baby at 2:30. I thought they'd originally said it was 'hazy' to her. They have evidence of her texting people and talking on the phone, as well as the two sitings at the Shoppers.

Another thing I found curious is that her memory seems to have suddenly returned when her mother found her. ??? She said her first thought was of her baby. If she was in as bad a shape as she's claiming why was just the mother's arrival enough to bring her around?

The questions go on and on. I can imagine how the police must feel on this one. This woman doesn't seem to have a problem talking to the media without her lawyer present but she can't talk to the police who are trying to find out where her baby is?

Grrrrrrrr:flamemad:

[lilrok]

good point Joan

she can talk to the press easily but not the police?

also where is the Father? why havent we heard from him or why hasnt he asked the public for Abbys return?

its all fishy to me....... i think she should be in jail already

her story is falling apart,shes the only one who cant see that happening

[trelaina]

Just got done reading up on this case and finishing reading this thread. So sad. Prayer for baby Abbygail. :rose:

Originally posted by JMChandler

Another thing I found curious is that her memory seems to have suddenly returned when her mother found her. ??? She said her first thought was of her baby. If she was in as bad a shape as she's claiming why was just the mother's arrival enough to bring her around?[/*]
*respectfully snipped*
ITA with the above. That makes no sense. If she was that out of it where she lost days...and she was found while at the worst of the illness...how on earth could she have been coherent enough to have memories of her mom finding her and her thoughts at that moment?

I also agree (though it may not be very relevant) that babies don't have real smiles that early. Mine were about 6 weeks old when they first smiled.

I also want to know where Abby was during the later shopping trips. I'm sure she's been asked that question. Wonder if they asked her in that posted interview and it was edited out?

Didn't she say in her letter to Abby that there were siblings? And then said in the interview that she had no other children? I guess step-children, maybe. I still found that strange.

Anyway, just thinking out loud. I hope there will be justice for that poor little baby. :( :rose:

[lilrok]

something else i just thought of

Sara said it was an ongoing relationship with Abbys Father, but they havent spoken since the collaps...
why havent they spoken since her collaps if they were still in a relationship? does he not believe her stories? does he not even want to play along just to help find the truth in all this mess? why havent we heard anything from him ? why no plea for her safe return? not even his name?

seems kinda fishy i think

[Brooke]

I think, IMO, that Sarah probbly got pregnant on purpose to try and keep this "boyfriend". IIRC one article said he attends college in another city. I think Sarah got pregnant and expected this boyfriend to drop everything and marry her, IMO, it backfired and he returned to college leaving her and the baby there. He probably saw her out of obligation to his daughter, but not wanting to continue a relationship with Sarah. Sarah got upset with him, the fight she says they had days before Abby disappeared, and has done something with Abby to get back at him. Sadly I do not think Abby is still with us. I think Abby's dad knows Sarah has done something with her and is refusing to continue any relationship with her. I also think there is alot more to this story than we know.

:rose: Praying for Abby

[JMChandler]

I noticed that too. Pretty abrupt end to the "ongoing relationship".

Another point that stands out in that interview is Sara saying that she was frustrated with the police investigation - she'd thought it would "only take a day or two"????

It boggles my mind how someone could keep up this charade. But she sure wouldn't be the first.

The sad thing is I think the only way she's going to be 'caught' is if she confesses. The odds of being able to find Abby now are pretty slim. We're talking about a wee little thing.. 3 weeks old when she 'went missing'. I'm assuming there wasn't any evidence that the police can use in her apartment or they'd have already arrested her or at least brought her in for questioning.

What brings someone to this point? From all reports she was a fairly stable individual. Worked at the same job for 10 years. Co-workers have said she was a steady worker. I just don't get it.

:confused:

[n/t]

Originally posted by JMChandler
I noticed that too. Pretty abrupt end to the "ongoing relationship".

Another point that stands out in that interview is Sara saying that she was frustrated with the police investigation - she'd thought it would "only take a day or two"????

It boggles my mind how someone could keep up this charade. But she sure wouldn't be the first.

The sad thing is I think the only way she's going to be 'caught' is if she confesses. The odds of being able to find Abby now are pretty slim. We're talking about a wee little thing.. 3 weeks old when she 'went missing'. I'm assuming there wasn't any evidence that the police can use in her apartment or they'd have already arrested her or at least brought her in for questioning.

What brings someone to this point? From all reports she was a fairly stable individual. Worked at the same job for 10 years. Co-workers have said she was a steady worker. I just don't get it.

:confused: [/*]

Sadly, I believe the writing is on the wall. Brooke made excellent points and I honestly believe that is what happened. I believe she started to resent Abby. Newborns cry a lot. Baby Abby cries, she's alone, BF is about to break up or already broke up with her. Maybe a nasty break up and she couldn't and didn't accept it. Hate. Wants nothing to do with the BF and his child.

IMO!

I hope I'm wrong. :(

:rose:

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by n/t


Sadly, I believe the writing is on the wall. Brooke made excellent points and I honestly believe that is what happened. I believe she started to resent Abby. Newborns cry a lot. Baby Abby cries, she's alone, BF is about to break up or already broke up with her. Maybe a nasty break up and she couldn't and didn't accept it. Hate. Wants nothing to do with the BF and his child.

IMO!

I hope I'm wrong. :(

:rose: [/*]

I hope you're wrong too n/t but, unfortunately, since I first read of Abby's disappearance, I've had a sense of foreboding.

[MaFitz]

We can't ever give up hope that the missing will be found. Alive or dead. I don't understand why Sara even bothers with the interviews, she is recklessly contradicting herself way too much. Something happened to Abby, and Sara knows what happened. I don't understand why she can't just tell LE where she can be found and at the very least give her the right to Rest In Peace.

I wish someone broke into her apartment that LE has said time and again was "LOCKED" and taken the baby, but I just don't see how that is possible. I doubt LE would claim the apartment was locked if the balcony door was open as Sara is claiming.

By Tuesday evening Abby was gone whether premeditated or not, regardless of how or why, Sara needs to be a mother just once and tell where Abby is.

[lilrok]

why is it impossible for the father to be involved and maybe have taken her? if he had a key?

if he isnt involved
id like to believe Sara sold Abby not buried her somewhere

[lrobert]

WOW! This sounds like another Melinda Duckett/Trenton scenario.

Sara is full of it and I believe she knows what happened to her baby.

Unbelievable!

:rose: For baby Abbygail - may you be found soon!

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by lilrok
why is it impossible for the father to be involved and maybe have taken her? if he had a key?

if he isnt involved
id like to believe Sara sold Abby not buried her somewhere [/*]

I'm sure I read LE has spoken to the father and believe he had nothing to do with Abbygail's disappearance. I'm sure he must have been the first person of interest. Sarah's story has too many holes imo.

[kaylynn]

:rose: Come home safe Abbygail.

[kaylynn]

http://lfpress.ca/cgi-bin/publish.cgi?x=articles&p=200550&s=hottopics

[Lyndilu1]

Why are they spending time protesting when they should/could be searching and combing the area for the baby? Going door to door.

Wasted energy.

[n/t]

Facebook writer says he's tot's dad

"I went and done (sic) a polygraph at the request of police and I passed, why can't she?" he wrote in a message that contained several grammatical errors and liberal use of punctuation.

http://lfpress.ca/cgi-bin/publish.cgi?x=articles&p=201169&s=hottopics

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by n/t
Facebook writer says he's tot's dad

"I went and done (sic) a polygraph at the request of police and I passed, why can't she?" he wrote in a message that contained several grammatical errors and liberal use of punctuation.

http://lfpress.ca/cgi-bin/publish.cgi?x=articles&p=201169&s=hottopics [/*]

Good article. All the comments attributed to the dad are very valid, imo.

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


Good article. All the comments attributed to the dad are very valid, imo. [/*]

Yes I totally agree. The observation about the glasses was good. That's the only time I've seen her wearing them. She must only need them to drive and read?

It sounds like he was taken in by her as well. I feel for him :o(

[JMChandler]

oops... I'm new at this. I was trying to do a sad face..:( not the :o

[BRIN]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


Good article. All the comments attributed to the dad are very valid, imo. [/*]

ita.interesting case.

can anybody tell me why she "lost" her memory????TIA
didn't find anything on this issue

[lilrok]

Sara ia diabetic and the night of Sept. 18th she bought in a shoppers mart nyquil and tylenol i believe it was ..two things she cannot take being a diabetic as they can mess with your sugar levels... she was found in her locked apartment with very high sugar levels and in a diabetic coma almost which i guess messes with you enough to cause amnesia....

i believe thats correct

[spook]

:rose: come home safe

[txfemale45]

The dad is a jerk for not being there for his daughter but that is all.. The mom did something to the baby and either tried to make it look like suicide or that she was injured.... that is my opinion

[BRIN]

Originally posted by lilrok
Sara ia diabetic and the night of Sept. 18th she bought in a shoppers mart nyquil and tylenol i believe it was ..two things she cannot take being a diabetic as they can mess with your sugar levels... she was found in her locked apartment with very high sugar levels and in a diabetic coma almost which i guess messes with you enough to cause amnesia....

i believe thats correct [/*]

thanx:)

[Brooke]

Being a diabetic my doctor has never told me not to take Tylenol, in fact she always recommends I take Tylenol before anything else for pain!
Nyquil should not be taken by a diabetic, unless it is sugar free, which is only available by perscription.

[lilrok]

well somewhere in this thread it says what she bought at a shoppers mart

i know nyquil was one of them....somewhere in the thread it also explains what put her into the state she was in i believe

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by txfemale45
The dad is a jerk for not being there for his daughter but that is all.. The mom did something to the baby and either tried to make it look like suicide or that she was injured.... that is my opinion [/*]

I think it is unfair to call dad a jerk at this stage. We don't know the circumstances surrounding him not being around. I do, however, agree that Sara harmed Abbygail and was hoping her medical condition could explain whatever is found to have happened.

[lilrok]

this is my therory now

Sara was married / seperated and lying to the new bf about it saying she was single...the hubby probably found out about the bf or baby and dumped her, then she claims it was a relationship with the bf yet he says they were engaged..seems Sara got caught in her lies and blamed the baby for it all....

my question is

why after doing something to the baby was she in one of those stores tuesday night buying baby items if she had in fact harmed the baby?
i believe she sold her or gave her away and then concockted this stupid story that she cant keep straight...

either way we look t it Abby payed the ultimate price for her mothers lies ....
now Sara needs to confess and bring Abby home where she belongs. and if she indeed is still alive (im still hoping) the father should be given full and soul custody with no visitation with Sara..

[Sarah1228]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


I think it is unfair to call dad a jerk at this stage. We don't know the circumstances surrounding him not being around. I do, however, agree that Sara harmed Abbygail and was hoping her medical condition could explain whatever is found to have happened. [/*]

I totally agree with you that it's unfair that the dad has been called a jerk. He has come forward. His name is Chris and I have been in contact with him. He and Sara were engaged. She was to move from St.Thomas to Fergus to live a life as a family. He has tried to contact Sara, and she refuses to speak with him.
If any of you have facebook, you can also join the group were the dad has come clean and has been more than happy to answer questions that he sees fit. The link is http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5023208677

if this doesn't work go into your facebook and search for baby abbigail dice, you can then join the group.

Also the link for todays London Free Press article is below
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/CityandRegion/2007/10/26/4606338-sun.html (You may have to copy and paste)

[BRIN]

:seeya: all,

what is the mom saying,when was the last time she saw the baby?TIA

[BRIN]

Originally posted by BRIN
:seeya: all,

what is the mom saying,when was the last time she saw the baby?TIA [/*]

found it.
hard to buy the mom's story:shrug:

[lilrok]

even after the memory loss though, you would think it would eventually come back within a few days right? unless its like some big tramatic thing their brain blocks out. which isnt why she was unconcious in this case....

i cant seem to get into the face book site i get logged in buit all i see is how many member there are not the message boards..how do i find that?

[BRIN]

Originally posted by RachelRose


When people are unconscious, often they lose memory of the most recent events in their lives, sometimes the last few days or a week. That's why people wake up in a hospital having no clue how they got there, or what happened. Somehow the brain injury wipes out the latest memories. [/*]

i know what you mean,do you think it happened here?i just think you have to be more careful if you have such a small child and you know something like this might happen due to an illness

[Leanne Weich]

I'm posting from memory now and seem to recall when Sarah was first found she didn't seem to realise the baby was missing and initially it was only speculated that a baby was missing. Then, in her statement to the media, she intimates that immediately she was found, her first thoughts were of Abby. Someone correct me if I'm remembering this wrong. I just don't have time to reread the whole thread. Thanks in advance.

[Brooke]

Those first news reports about this said she DID NOT remember having a baby it was when her mother asked her where Abbygail was that she remembered having her.
When Sarah interviewed she said she thought immidiately upon seeing her mom where was Abby.
The reports are very conflicting as to what really happend. I, personally, am VERY surprised Sarah has not been arrested, but I am hoping and praying we will see some justice for baby Abby.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Brooke
Those first news reports about this said she DID NOT remember having a baby it was when her mother asked her where Abbygail was that she remembered having her.
When Sarah interviewed she said she thought immidiately upon seeing her mom where was Abby.
The reports are very conflicting as to what really happend. I, personally, am VERY surprised Sarah has not been arrested, but I am hoping and praying we will see some justice for baby Abby. [/*]

Thanks Brooke for putting this in its proper perspective. I just wish they would find Abby now and that Sarah would just confess what happened. I guess by now she thinks she's in the clear though.

[BRIN]

Abby:rose:

[BRIN]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/09/27/missing-infant.html


Mother of missing infant returns home


"Police say Whittington's apartment and car have been searched and police are awaiting the results of forensic tests. They also say Whittington hasn't provided any "pertinent" information about Abbygail's whereabouts."

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by BRIN
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2007/09/27/missing-infant.html


Mother of missing infant returns home


"Police say Whittington's apartment and car have been searched and police are awaiting the results of forensic tests. They also say Whittington hasn't provided any "pertinent" information about Abbygail's whereabouts." [/*]

:seeya: Hi Brin...thanks so much for this update. I have been following this thread and just posting a little bit on here...I have a hard time of this woman hurting her baby.....and what is so sad my gut tells me something different... OH how I pray I am wrong.

[Brooke]

Here is the latest update....

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/CityandRegion/2007/10/26/4606338-sun.html

[BRIN]

Originally posted by Brooke
Here is the latest update....

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/CityandRegion/2007/10/26/4606338-sun.html [/*]


"Early in the investigation, police identified Whittington as their only "person of interest." '

hmmm

[Brooke]

No sgins of forced entry, no signs anyone other than Sarah was in that apartment those two days. Sarah has been the only POI since the very begining of this case. Its very sad that they havent cracked her yet. I believe this woman knows what she did to her baby. I believe maybe in the begining she was confused by her SELF INDUCED coma, but the memory doe come back at some point and I believe she knows which is why she wont talk to Daddy and the press anymore. I will be :flamemad: if she gets away with whatever has happend to Baby Abby. Of course all this is MOO!!



:rose: Still praying you are found safe Baby Abby

[snoopyone]

How "near death" was the mother when found in the apartment?
Was she hospitalized for any length of time?
........

ok I see she was hospitalized and released.

[Breazy]

:rose: My thoughts are with you today, Baby Abbygail, and I pray that God will bring you home!!

[lilrok]

thanks Rachel wasnt sure about the memory thing


where is it documented she had high blood sugar all week? and if she had that why the heck buy nyquil and risk death if she isnt guilty of something?


and good point on the Dad finding that out i missed that somewhere....when did he find out? and did the ex hubby know she was engaged? seems like a wicked love tri angle to me
poor Abby is suffering for it

[Brooke]

Yes the dad, Chris Meadows, has conclusively been ruled out as haing anything to do with this. LE has stated he took two polygraphs and passed both. LE STATED he is definately NOT a POI.
I havent read in ANY article this was a week long thing and that it is documented medically. Can you provide a link? She was admitted thursday, that would be the only medically documented day. She is seen perfectly fine on video twice on tuesday evening without Abby. Sarah admits she does not remember the events Tues. Wed. & Thurs. until her mom got there.
IF this was a "sliding process" then why did she not call her mom and say Im not feeling well can you help with Abby? As a responsible parent with a disease this should have been her first thought, making sure the baby was safe. She has had diabetes since childhood, this was her "miracle" baby why be so irresponsible? Unless the baby did not belong to either her Husband OR Chris Meadows. Has her husband been cleared? Whose last name is Dice? Her married name is Whittington, Baby's Dads last name is Meadows, where does Dice fit in? Unless its her maiden name, but then still why not give the baby your same last name? Both men should have questioned this.
Sorry thinking out loud here.
:shrug:

[Brooke]

Sarah now SUSPECT!!!

http://www.cd989.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=10379

[Brooke]

I am a diabetic and when my sugar is high I can feel it. Iget anxious, irritable, short tempered, I have to potty TONS, I get super thirsty, my head feels like it going to explode.
I find it very hard to believe that Sarah did not know her sugar was high especially if she was testing it regularly like you said you have read.


You are right about the polygraph. This is what I was referring to

"We ask people sometimes to take the polygraph, but in this particular circumstance, we are not in a position to (comment on) whether dad took a polygraph. We used a number of investigative tools and I can say he is 100 per cent clear."

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/10/24/4600738-sun.html

[JMChandler]

Just heard on the radio that Sara has now been officially named a suspect by the St Thomas police after an interview they had with her on Friday! She is suspected of foul play.

Things are moving ahead.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Brooke
Yes the dad, Chris Meadows, has conclusively been ruled out as haing anything to do with this. LE has stated he took two polygraphs and passed both. LE STATED he is definately NOT a POI.
I havent read in ANY article this was a week long thing and that it is documented medically. Can you provide a link? She was admitted thursday, that would be the only medically documented day. She is seen perfectly fine on video twice on tuesday evening without Abby. Sarah admits she does not remember the events Tues. Wed. & Thurs. until her mom got there.
IF this was a "sliding process" then why did she not call her mom and say Im not feeling well can you help with Abby? As a responsible parent with a disease this should have been her first thought, making sure the baby was safe. She has had diabetes since childhood, this was her "miracle" baby why be so irresponsible? Unless the baby did not belong to either her Husband OR Chris Meadows. Has her husband been cleared? Whose last name is Dice? Her married name is Whittington, Baby's Dads last name is Meadows, where does Dice fit in? Unless its her maiden name, but then still why not give the baby your same last name? Both men should have questioned this.
Sorry thinking out loud here.
:shrug: [/*]


Great questions and I too wonder where "Dice" came from now that we know BF's name. Sarah's status changed from "POI" to "Suspect" after an interview with LE on Friday. Hmmmmmm . . . can't wait to hear more, my curiosity is piqued.

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by Brooke
I havent read in ANY article this was a week long thing and that it is documented medically. Can you provide a link? [/*]

Hi Brooke,

I believe it was her lawyer who mentioned this in that press conference they gave a couple of weeks ago. He said her sugar level was out of whack all month. Again... wouldn't a diabetic know the risks of this and make sure she had backup to help with the baby?

Joan

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by Breazy



Great questions and I too wonder where "Dice" came from now that we know BF's name. Sarah's status changed from "POI" to "Suspect" after an interview with LE on Friday. Hmmmmmm . . . can't wait to hear more, my curiosity is piqued. [/*]


Hi Breazy,

Dice is her maiden name.

[BRIN]

Originally posted by JMChandler
Just heard on the radio that Sara has now been officially named a suspect by the St Thomas police after an interview they had with her on Friday! She is suspected of foul play.

Things are moving ahead. [/*]

happy to hear

:rose: Abby

[BRIN]

Originally posted by JMChandler


Again... wouldn't a diabetic know the risks of this and make sure she had backup to help with the baby?

Joan [/*]

ITA!!!!asked this myself

[Brooke]

Rachel- I too had Gestational Diabetes 7 years ago when I was pregnant with my last daughter.
Gestational Diabetes is COMPLETELY different than regular Diabetes. I was on 90 units of insulin each day, 5 shots! The moment my daughter was born it was gone.
I was told if I didnt lose weight I had a 60% chance of becoming Diabetic within 6 years of having her, well 2 days shy of 6 years I was diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes.
I know the difference when my suagr is low and when its high. When its low I get dizzy, lightheaded, nauseas (sp?) and feel the need to eat NOW! I dont typically run low with my sugars.
Now when my sugar is high its really bad. I get cranky, headaches, short tempered etc..
Sarah was a Diabetic since childhood she knew the signs and symptoms. She was responsible for that little life and she chose to not ask for help.
I believe Sarah is using her diabetes as an excuse/alibi for whatever she has done. I dont buy it.
Of course this is MOO

[Brooke]

Originally posted by JMChandler


Hi Brooke,

Again... wouldn't a diabetic know the risks of this and make sure she had backup to help with the baby?

Joan [/*]

Hi Joan,

Being a Diabetic myself if I were to get pregnant right now I would definately make sure I had someone who was available to help me on a moments notice! Before and After!!! It is called responsible parenting.
If this happend because of her diabetes it is still no excuse in my opinion. I feel she should have been prepared for something like this to have happend to her.
NOT BLAMINING HER PARENTS but they knew she had diabetes, they had to have known the stress her body had been under being pregnant, why did they wait a full day before checking on her? From what I gather they were close. My mom is always questioning how I feel. When I was pregnant she was always calling or coming by just to check on me.
Anyway just thinking aloud again. This is just very close to my heart and saddens me immensely :(

[Breazy]

Originally posted by JMChandler



Hi Breazy,

Dice is her maiden name. [/*]

Thanks. I wonder why she gave Abbygail her maiden name rather than her married one or the BF/Father's last name? A little strange but she may have been planning to take back her maiden name.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by RachelRose


GOOD! This doesn't seem like it's going to turn out well for Abby, but better to have it solved and concluded than never solved. [/*]

I think the majority of us posting on this thread felt that there would be no happy ending for Abby unfortunately.

I'm glad that Sara has been named a suspect now. Maybe the pressure will elicit a confession from her.

:rose: Abby

[BRIN]

Abby:rose:

[JMChandler]

I'm surprized that no one has posted this yet... you're all usually so much quicker than I!

Here's an interview the father did last night.
http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_16245.aspx

And here's more of the interview:
http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/10/30/4616672-sun.html
Answers some of our questions.

[lilrok]

thanks JMC for the updates

well from the sounds of things Sara wasnt even alone with Abby for long, if Chris was there for a week after her birth then Sara and Abby with him at his home for a few days after that...funny no mention of her sugar levels being out of control right after the birth or in the two weeks after while with Chris,
if they were arguing about Abby already it really doesnt sound good...she went missing at 3 weeks of age, so Sara only had her maybe a week by herself...

can anyone tell me how to view the facebook posts? when i log in all i see is the members list on the main page

[JMChandler]

Hi Lilrock,

Sounds like you're looking at the one group that is closed.

I find there's a couple of others that have some interesting posts.
The one is called "Let's Pray for Abbygail Dice's Return Home".
And then once you get there you'll see another group listed on the groups link on the right for "missing babygirl".

Hope this helps!

[lilrok]

thanks again JMC ill go try that

sounds like theres more information over there...

im just glad shes finally a suspect, now maybe the thought of serving time in prison will bring the truth out of her...
my gut is still telling me someone else has Abby,but maybe getting her back is not an option now<maybe she sold her>
but then again i dont have all the facts and im an optomist...<wanting tioo believe shes alive>

thanks again for all the updates

[Breazy]

Thanks JMChander for the links!! Interesting to say the least. I get mixed feelings about Sarah. There's definitely more to her than meets the eye. She was in a relationship with Abbygail's father for a year, accepted engagement ring, but refused to use Meadows as part of Abbygail's last name? She was obviously hiding things from Chris Meadows as well before Abbygail was even born.

:rose: Baby Abbygail, I pray you're safe somewhere!

[txfemale45]

I wonder if the father was wanting a DNA test....

[lilrok]

does it mention anywhere when Chris found out she was still involved with her ex hubby ? or when he found out she had even been married? ive read all the posts but dont remember seeing exactly when it was Chris found out about him...and did the ex think Abby was his maybe and thats why she didnt use Meadows as the last name? and did the ex hubby know about Chris before all this?

lol sorry i still have so many questions

[Breazy]

Me too and I'd like to know these answers too.

:rose: Baby Abbygail, May God hold you close.

[JMChandler]

You know what's frustrating? We'll probably never get answers to most of them!

Although I can clarify one thing for you Lilrock. The police say that Chris Meadows didn't realize that Sara was still married until they told him. I don't know if he thought she was already divorced or that he didn't even realize she'd been married at all. From his description of their relationship it sounds like it was rather strained. Why hadn't they spoken after her visit to him the week before? You'd think they'd be in daily contact with each other. He says they were engaged.

I'm tending to think that whatever did happen to Abby, because of the diabetic coma (intentionally triggered or not) Sara really doesn't know what happened.
I've seen several reports of her saying that she's not saying she wasn't involved... just that she doesn't remember.

[lorjac]

Stupid question...she claims to have to relearn all these things, her neighborhood and all of that... yet can completely remember her child? How does that selective forgetting work?

I think she's a lying *** Susan Smith type..... it's been a month... I doubt they'll ever find that baby...... that sucks.