Abbygail E Dice,1 mo, mom fnd unconcious 9.20.07 St. Thomas Canada{mom chgd}

[Breazy]

Originally posted by lorjac
Stupid question...she claims to have to relearn all these things, her neighborhood and all of that... yet can completely remember her child? How does that selective forgetting work?

I think she's a lying *** Susan Smith type..... it's been a month... I doubt they'll ever find that baby...... that sucks. [/*]


Unfortunately, I agree.

:rose: Baby Abbygail

[Brooke]

Todays Update....

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/CityandRegion/2007/10/31/4618856-sun.html

[Brooke]

Im wondering if they had a fight, Chris and Sarah. I wonder if he knows more than he is saying also. There is a reason Sarah doesnt want to talk to him. You dont go from being engaged one day to not speaking a word the next if nothing happend. She remembers everything from before Sept. 18th, so she remembers MOnday, Sunday, Saturday etc.. Maybe Sarah doesnt remember and he is hoping she never will.... He seems very sincere BUT something about this whole thing smells funny to me. Someone knows something. I just wish someone would break and we could have some answers.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Brooke
Todays Update....

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/CityandRegion/2007/10/31/4618856-sun.html [/*]

Gosh that lawyer, for all his 40 years experience, must be thick if he doesn't realise it is a normal thing for a POI to later be named a suspect. I wonder how good an attorney his is to allow his client to face over 7 hours of questioning on her own. :shrug:

[lorjac]

I think the */f suspects her and wants nothing to do w/her. She seems way more logical as the killer than him to me.

[JMChandler]

I read that article...But who the hell is this lawyer? It's not her lawyer.
I don't know if you guys are familiar with the Steven Truscott case that he mentions (it happened in Ontario Canada) but it's NOTHING like this one.

I think there was some pretty compelling evidence that the police found right from the start that pointed to the mother.
Come on... realistically what else could have happened?
Someone just "happened" to break in her apartment, through a conveniently open patio door, and snatched the baby while she happened to be out of it? What timing?!!
And then what did they do? Hop off the 2nd floor balcony, with the baby in hand? The door was locked from inside so they didn't walk out the front door.
It' hard to imagine what other scenario there COULD be. They've checked out the Dad and seem very confident that he had nothing to do with it.

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by Brooke
There is a reason Sarah doesnt want to talk to him. You dont go from being engaged one day to not speaking a word the next if nothing happend. [/*]

I wondered about that too... also why weren't they in contact after she and Abby visited with him (I believe it was the Friday before) ?

There are so many things that just don't jibe here.

[Brooke]

Originally posted by lorjac
I think the */f suspects her and wants nothing to do w/her. She seems way more logical as the killer than him to me. [/*]

I did read that he has tried to contact her several times and she wont speak to him.

[JMChandler]

Found this article from the Guelph newspaper. This is where the father lives..

http://news.guelphmercury.com/News/article/256263

[lilrok]

well i think Chris was putting pressure on her to move in with him even tho they had problems ...maybe thats what was causing the problems because she wasnt even packing?and she was still married and hadnt told him she was ,so couldnt just move with him and get married without divorcing first and was she still involved with the ex? if so then another reason..why havent we heard from him? did he think that baby was his by chance?

if no searches found the baby ..why havent they issued some kind of search for her being sold perhaps?

lol i keep asking questions sorry , but thanks for answering them when you can....

[Brooke]

lilrol I dont know how they would do a search to see if she sold Abby. Im sure they have checked her computer if she had one. But what about the fathers computer? If she spent the previous week there with him something may be on his computer. I just keep praying for a break in this case!

[BRIN]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071029/missing_baby_071029/20071029?hub=TopStories


"Foul play is suspected in the disappearance of baby Abbygail and they are seeking information about Sara Whittington's movements during that evening," said a press release.

Investigators said they have narrowed the time frame "of particular concern" to between 6:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m. on Sept. 18.




:rose: Abby

[lorjac]

I have no doubt that this mother is 100% guilty of killing her child... and I believe it was her and her alone.

My guts just tell me that..... and her letter to her child.... seemed to me like a letter written to a child who had died...... it lacked a passion to me... it sounded as if it was written knowing her 'so-called' wishes could never be answered.

[Brooke]

The letter to her daughter was BIZARRE!!! WHy in the world would she write a letter to her daughter? I could totally understand if she was older and was taken and she thought maybe she would hear her on TV or something but come on Abby was 3 weeks old when she went missing. Even if she was taken
she would never understand a letter her mom read to her. IMO it doesnt make sense.
I too believe only she is involved. When I made that comment earlier I meant that I think he knows more about the situation than he is telling. I DO NOT THINK HE IS INVOLVED!!!


GIVE IT UP SARAH WE DONT BELIEVE YOU AND WE WILL FIND THE TRUTH!!!! :flamemad:


:rose: For Baby Abbygail :rose:

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by lorjac
...... it lacked a passion to me... [/*]

IMO SHE lacks any passion at all! It's weird.

[lorjac]

Brooke, I didn't mean to make that sound like I was aiming it at you.... it was just my comment ~ in general.

I don't know.... he's mad about finding out she was still married.... I'm thinking if he truly knew... I think he would tell. But then again ~ it's easy to speculate from so far away.....

She does lack passion in general..... you're right. But her family doesn't seem to be too concerned about this baby either.... I mean if she was in the hospital and could not make a plea for her child... wouldn't the Grandparents????

I guess I'm just thinking of how my Grandparents/Parents are w/my kids and the lengths I think they would go to if either of my girls were missing...... seems so odd. Granted I know not every family is really close .... but even if you're not close, wouldn't you want your grandchild to be safe?

[Brooke]

lorjac I just wanted to clarify what I meant in my post from before.

When I say he knows more than he is telling the public- maybe he has told police- is that he knows her frame of mnd when she left his home on Friday, he knows if it is normal to go days without speaking, he has to know her daily routine ( I would think), he knows if they fought or had words etc.. Being with someone for over a year you cn pretty much learn how to read certain things about them.

I was not saying that I think he had anything to do with Abby's disappearance.

Great observation lorjac!!! I knew something about her didnt seem right but I couldnt put my finger on it. She lacks passion! It seems as if she is just going through the motions because her lawyer has told her to. Like she is saying what she is told to say and hoping no one will dig any deeper.

[JMChandler]

I have no doubt there's alot that the father knows that the police have told him not to divulge.

Must be torture for him! He is quoted as saying that the last time he saw them (mother and Abby) when they visited him in Guelph... was pure and utter happiness.
Although from his description of their arguements that's a little tough to swallow.

[lorjac]

Okay... we're good..... there are just more and more questions in this... absolutely NO answers. Did you notice that???

But again ~ how can she not remember her neighborhood and yet remember everything about her baby??? I don't get that.... I want that explained. She seems to have no memory of the things that have to do w/her child... yet she claims this was her first concern.... not according to her mom.

I think the police are just waiting for a body to turn up.... sad as that is.... but if there was blood in the apartment.... has it been tested??? Are there any forensics???? Or is it normal for Canadian LE to keep more information under wraps than the US LE????

ETA....

QUOTE: Although from his description of their arguements that's a little tough to swallow.QUOTE:

Maybe his happiness was directed at his child..... not the mother. Or maybe they just had a REALLY good week.... I'm not sure I'd read too much into that. Or maybe he's just trying to focus on what was good the last time he saw Abby.

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by lorjac
Or is it normal for Canadian LE to keep more information under wraps than the US LE????


Yes that is definitely the case. The same with the media coverage. If this happened down in your neck of the woods I think we'd see alot more information. Interviews with friends, neighbors etc.
Up here we're real private and 'careful'. :o(

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by lorjac

I think the police are just waiting for a body to turn up.... sad as that is.... [/*]

I keep looking at babies when I'm out thinking how small a 3 week old baby would be and how hard to find :( Especially seeing as they stopped searching like two days after. Why?

That's what worries me, if they don't find her will this all be swept away? No consequences for anyone? That's what is looks like. The police really seem to be trying to initiate a confession -which doesn't seem likely. Without that she'll probably walk free.
I hope her conscience - if she has one- torments her every waking hour!

[lorjac]

Your LE might be way smarter than ours.... there are things that our dumb *** media & LE release that does NOTHING but cause further damage to the victims. And further torment for their families......

I even wrote to CNN blasting them for some of the info they released regarding Michael Devlin & the boys he kidnapped. Those boys have been through HELL and are back where they can start to rebuild their lives .... they don't need every little sordid tidbit of information released to the public. People/kids are cruel enough the way it is..... I thought that was very low class and unnecessary. You'd think they just start to re-build their lives, getting therapy and the recovery process starts and they get blasted w/another setback. Just wrong.

I have a 4 & 5 yr old right now and to be honest, it's so hard to remember how small they were at that time..... but I know that every time they got hurt or felt bad I was heartbroken. And when my oldest was like 18 months old I accidentally closed her hand in the bathroom door and was MORTIFIED and had to be calmed down and took her to the ER ~ even tho I knew she could move her hand... I knew there were no broken bones... I needed to KNOW she was okay..... and I cried about it for days.... because she had a small bruise on her fingers.

To think of just discarding your child w/o any thought or remorse to me is just plain EVIL.

[Brooke]

My youngst is 7 but I have 2 nieces one was born 8 days before Abby and the other 4 days after. They are TINY! I look at them and I wonder how a mother could harm something so sweet and innocent. This is very disturbing for me, especially since she said Abby was her "Miracle" baby. Having diabetes I know how hard it is to get pregnant. She should have been ecstatic about Abby and doing everything in her control to protect her (i.e. taking care of her health etc). This just really saddens me that a miracle baby can just be thrown away with no further thought. Ok I gotta go hug and snuzzle my nieces now.

[lorjac]

That's the one thing about these types of threads.... I find that after reading them, I look at my girls different for a little while.

I'm VERY affectionate w/my kids (my parents weren't that way....) and to the point where my oldest will tell me to stop kissing on her.... who listens to a five yr old??? :) But I just know how much I enjoy their smiles, their laughter, their accomplishments ~ how just having them reach up and hold your hand or want to sit on your lap and snuggle or just their smiling at you when you come home means to me..... and I adore being part of the reason for their happiness..... and it breaks my heart that some children NEVER know that kind of love.... they never have a reason to smile... or laugh or have anyone to reach out to or for when they need love or comfort......

Yeah, they drive me crazy and they exhaust me.... but being w/o them???? Or having them taken from me..... cannot even fathom.

[JMChandler]

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

This case has so obsessed me because I too am a mother. My daughter is 16 now. She was also a miracle baby. It took us 10 years and many InVitro sessions before she blessed our lives.
She was colicky in the beginning so life was stressful for the first six months or so, but she was/is the light of my life., no matter how difficult things were at times. They are so small and sweet and fragile. Totally dependent on you.
I just can't imagine how I could cope if something happened to her.
I think of all the wonderful moments that her parents will miss.

[lorjac]

Unfortunately mommy didn't seem to care what she was there for and wasn't... and didn't seem to give dad much of a choice. I feel for him and his family......

I know the odds are so very unlikely.... but wouldn't it be great if she dropped her off someplace and walked away only to have someone who was a loving and compassionate person find her and has given her a safe place to live... and this person wants to keep her to themselves for fear of the mother getting away w/what she did and getting the child back......

[lorjac]

I've commented on it... but never really asked... have her parents spoke up???? Sarah's parents??? Have they had ANYTHING to do w/this???

[JMChandler]

Hi Lorjac

no word at all. Her mother did join her in the walk but that's it. Haven't heard a peep from her father.

Also found it interesting that Chris (Abby's dad) said he'd only met Sara's mother once and that was after the baby was born. He never met the father.

:shrug:

[Leanne Weich]

I doubt Sara will ever confess. For an older mother whose one and only child is missing, she sounds like a heartless ****h to me.

[txfemale45]

What is soo soo sad a newborn does not have bones yet and the chances of her body ever being found is not good after this length of time unless it was wrapped and barried..... If it is out in the elements it will go back to dust....

[lorjac]

Yeah, that does make it sadder... never really thought of it like that....

[lilrok]

Originally posted by txfemale45
What is soo soo sad a newborn does not have bones yet [/*]

i have never ever heard that before... they dont have bones yet?

[cleo612]

Originally posted by lilrok


i have never ever heard that before... they dont have bones yet? [/*]

First time I have ever heard that too. How then can they claim broken bones in tiny infants that have been abused?

[txfemale45]

They are bendable and like cartlidge

[Brooke]

Newborns have bones they are just pliable like cartilag It is very very hard to break a babies bones. The older they get the more dense the bones become.

[lorjac]

They do have bones, very true ~ I guess I meant I know they are very soft & pliable ~ I didn't know the rate at which they deteriorate.....

Baby bones can break.... we had a two month old in town here who's sinus cavitiy was broken, two ribs, the upper leg bone and her elbow was detached... she was in a full body cast until she was like 6 months old.... that was the first time she really got to touch her hands together.... can you imagine????

[Brooke]

Originally posted by lorjac
They do have bones, very true ~ I guess I meant I know they are very soft & pliable ~ I didn't know the rate at which they deteriorate.....

Baby bones can break.... we had a two month old in town here who's sinus cavitiy was broken, two ribs, the upper leg bone and her elbow was detached... she was in a full body cast until she was like 6 months old.... that was the first time she really got to touch her hands together.... can you imagine???? [/*]

Honestly I cant imagine. I cant even imagine what happend to the poor thing.
I did not mean they cant break but that it is very hard to break a babies bone.
Babies with broken bones typically come from a abusive environment, but not always.

[lorjac]

The loser dad basically slammed her face against a hardwood floor.... at a friends house ~ now tell me.... how many of you if this happened at your house would do NOTHING?????? The truly sad thing... well, the guy plead guilty ... stating he was not 100% at fault for all of her injuries, but he did plead guilty and relinquished his parental rights.... the POS mother would NOT and the state has not (over two years later) terminated hers either. She has NEVER tried to get a job, hasn't passed her drug tests, hasn't shown up for visitation scheduled and not only all of that... the stupid *** state.... this beautiful little girl (and she is and she is so trusting, she loves to be held by ANYONE.....) she has had numerous couples interested in adopting her.... the mother will NOT let her be adopted!!! In fact, she now moved to another town and the STATE had her, this little girl taken away from the foster parents she's been w/pretty much since she was like 7 months old and sent to another family to be closer to this mother..... who is still on welfare and still doing NOTHING to get her daughter back....

OH... I'm sorry ... but this little girl is just so close to my heart.... I gave the foster family TONS of little girl clothes & toys from my girls ~ bought her *-day presents & an Xmas dress and presents.... and the state won't do anything to help her out....

[n/t]

lorjac. who are you talking about?? Baby's daddy slammed her? This is not about Abby is it?

[BRIN]

Abby:rose:

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by n/t
lorjac. who are you talking about?? Baby's daddy slammed her? This is not about Abby is it? [/*]

n/t, I think Lorjac is talking about a child in her community.

[lorjac]

I'm sorry... no, her name is Marriah and I shouldn't have gotten off topic, we were just talking about baby bones... and she is so near and dear to my heart... I apologize.

I just hope that poor Abby can be found..... no matter what condition.... she needs to be found to ensure that mommy pays.

[JMChandler]

What a horrendous story Lorjac. :(
Poor little thing. How can a mother be sooo cruel? I guess the maternal instinct is not present in all of us.

[Brooke]

Originally posted by JMChandler
What a horrendous story Lorjac. :(
Poor little thing. How can a mother be sooo cruel? I guess the maternal instinct is not present in all of us. [/*]

I guess your right its not present in everyone who has a child. That is so hard for me to wrap my brain around though. I dont understand.

lorjac that is awful! Poor baby Marriah, hugs to her.

[lorjac]

It was the father who did the majority of the abuse, the mother just didn't bother taking her to the doctor for a couple days.....

So, this morning I'm cutting my 4 yrs olds nails and she says I have to to it 'so her baby doesn't get hurt'.... in her innocent heart she says.... looking up so sweet 'no parents hurt their babies do they mommy?'

Talk about rip your heart out.... I just said, "I never want anything to happen to my babies!" I didn't have the heart to tell her.....

[JMChandler]

You wish you could just gather these little ones up and hold them close.

For some reason I hold the mothers' more responsible. I guess because we carry them within our own bodies for 9 months I expect there should be a stronger bond. Even if she didn't inflict the actual trauma the neglect she's shown is unfathomable. Even now to not let her go so that she can go on to have a good life with a loving family.

Is there nothing that can be done for this little Mariah?

[lorjac]

Can you imagine that innocence of 'my mom & dad would never hurt me...' being just shattered by these children as they are wondering why it is their mom and/or dad hurting them????

JM... I was going to PM you, guess not.

Marriah is in foster care still.... since she's moved I haven't been able to find out anything else. The only reason I knew what I did is because I'm friends w/the emergency Foster Parents who she was granted to right after the assault.

I agree w/your reasoning.... I believe mothers should be held to a higher level.... I think mothers doing these things are way more evil..... they should have more of a sense of love, compassion and that connection... and when they don't... you can't help but assume that the child will never know true, maternal love.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by lorjac
That's the one thing about these types of threads.... I find that after reading them, I look at my girls different for a little while.

I'm VERY affectionate w/my kids (my parents weren't that way....) and to the point where my oldest will tell me to stop kissing on her.... who listens to a five yr old??? :) But I just know how much I enjoy their smiles, their laughter, their accomplishments ~ how just having them reach up and hold your hand or want to sit on your lap and snuggle or just their smiling at you when you come home means to me..... and I adore being part of the reason for their happiness..... and it breaks my heart that some children NEVER know that kind of love.... they never have a reason to smile... or laugh or have anyone to reach out to or for when they need love or comfort......

Yeah, they drive me crazy and they exhaust me.... but being w/o them???? Or having them taken from me..... cannot even fathom. [/*]


I hear you talking . . . I feel the same way about my kids (14 & 4). They're also both adopted and I yearned for them for many years before they were born, adding to my protectiveness of them. And like you, although they drive me completely NUTS sometimes, they are my life . . . every decision made with them forefront. Sarah just DOES NOT act like the words she says. Total contradiction betwen her words and her actions.

:rose: Praying God is watching over Baby Abbygail!

[Breazy]

Originally posted by Breazy



I hear you talking . . . I feel the same way about my kids (14 & 4). They're also both adopted and I yearned for them for many years before they were born, adding to my protectiveness of them. And like you, although they drive me completely NUTS sometimes, they are my life . . . every decision made with them forefront. Sarah just DOES NOT act like the words she says. Total contradiction betwen her words and her actions.

:rose: Praying God is watching over Baby Abbygail! [/*]


Sorry . . . waited too long to edit.

Should have said Total contradiction BETWEEN her words and her actions.

My fingers aren't typing so great this morning!

[JMChandler]

Isn't it interesting that a number of us on this forum have had difficulty having the children that we've longed for?
Are we more aware, compassionate about our children and others because of that?
Not to say that those who've become parents without any difficulty love their children any less (or most of them anyway!)

Lorjac... what is a PM and why can't you send me one? .. .sorry I'm new to these forums. In fact this is the first one I've ever joined!

[Breazy]

Originally posted by JMChandler
Isn't it interesting that a number of us on this forum have had difficulty having the children that we've longed for?
Are we more aware, compassionate about our children and others because of that?
Not to say that those who've become parents without any difficulty love their children any less (or most of them anyway!)

Lorjac... what is a PM and why can't you send me one? .. .sorry I'm new to these forums. In fact this is the first one I've ever joined! [/*]


I think because our children did not come to us easily, we are drawn to cases such as this. Because of our own experiences, we cannot fathom how a mother could hurt her children or even a Dad could take away his children's Mom. The mystery of why? just draws us in. Also, not saying that people who have no difficulty don't feel these same things but I definitely feel that's what keeps drawing me back here (even when I should be working).

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by Breazy

(even when I should be working). [/*]

I know what you mean!:rolleyes:

[lorjac]

PM is a private message, your not set up to accept them. And you have your e-mail blocked ... you can change that in your profile I believe.

You know, I was always told I couldn't have kids, wicked case of endometriosis when I was in my early 20s that should have been detected YEARS before that. But then I did get pregnant and had a miscarriage less than a week after finding out. The docs still said it would be hard, but I figured 'if it happens it happens' I wasn't 100% sure I was ready to be a mom.... both times it happened IMMEDIATELY. I mean I went off the pill the day of my wedding... my one month anniversary... I got pregnant. The second one.... I had just stopped breastfeeding for less than a week, got pregnant.

So, mine came easily.... but I embraced EVERY minute of it. And maybe in part because my sperm donor was such a loser... he beat my mom when she told him she was pregnant, he threw her & the fridge down the steps while she was, beat her & put her in the hospital while she was prego.... don't get my wrong... my mom & my DAD did a wonderful job w/me.... I always felt completely loved..... but I embraced being pregnant and EVERYTHING that went with it... I talked to my belly, I read to it, played music.... wrote in a journal.... I got lucky and had two easy labors..... but the minute I held each girl...... Nothing in my life even held a candle.... NOTHING. Still doesn't... causes a lot of problems w/me and the hubby cuz on my days off and weekends ~ I'm ALL about my time w/them.... I love going to school with them, playing w/them ~ having playdates w/their friends here.... there is NO place I'd rather be.

So.... that being said ~ my 4 yr old is waiting for me to lay w/her watching Brother Bear 2, so she can nap!!!!

Have a good afternoon.....

Wouldn't it just be heaven on earth if EVERY single child had that kind of love, stability and ability to rely on their parents for all their needs..... it's times like reading these stories when I just can't help but wonder why a God would let it happen..... I don't blame him.... free will and all ~ but at some point, you do have to wonder.

[Breazy]

Originally posted by lorjac
(snipped)

Wouldn't it just be heaven on earth if EVERY single child had that kind of love, stability and ability to rely on their parents for all their needs..... [/*]


Yes, it would. But the sad thing is . . . so many of these children who are neglected and abused, even killed by their parents, COULD have that as there are so many people unable to have children, just yearning to love and care for one. I just Thank God every day that my children's birth parents didn't choose abortion and were unselfish enough to put their child's future before their own feelings. If it turns out that Sarah did indeed kill Baby Abbygail, there's just no excuse!!!

[lorjac]

There is never an excuse.....

[Brooke]

Todays Update!!!!!

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/11/03/4627763-sun.html

[kaylynn]

Originally posted by Brooke
Todays Update!!!!!

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/11/03/4627763-sun.html [/*]

Apparently her lawyer said she couldn't have passed it because she suffers from memory loss:rolleyes:

[Brooke]

Originally posted by kaylynn


Apparently her lawyer said she couldn't have passed it because she suffers from memory loss:rolleyes: [/*]


But he also said many things can affect the outcome, including the mothers GUILT!!!
I think this was a very good article. This article gave more information than ANY other article has before.
I also find it interesting that she asked for Chris in the hospital and was told he did not want to speak with her......WHY???
They also aknowledge that she is responsible for what has happend to Abbygail..... I wonder if a medical/insanity defense being planned here.

:read: Very Interesting!!!

[BRIN]

http://lfpress.ca/cgi-bin/publish.cgi?x=articles&p=197850&s=hottopics


"Sarah Dice, a diabetic, was reportedly moaning in her bed and couldn't recognize her own mother.

Infant's mom horribly confused "


Police have said there's no evidence Abbygail was abducted, but added nothing Sept. 22 about the investigation or the condition of Sarah Dice.The apartment was guarded yesterday by a single officer

[lilrok]

you know i really hate the thought of her getting away with this

[lorjac]

Sarah Dice, a diabetic, was reportedly moaning in her bed and couldn't recognize her own mother.

Kind of blows her 'my very first thought was of my baby'.... I think she's hanging herself.... there is a reason they are saying 'no evidence of abduction' and there is a reason 'they are ONLY focusing on her' .....

I have a feeling they will get her..... fingers crossed for Abby.

[kaylynn]

Originally posted by Brooke



But he also said many things can affect the outcome, including the mothers GUILT!!!
I think this was a very good article. This article gave more information than ANY other article has before.
I also find it interesting that she asked for Chris in the hospital and was told he did not want to speak with her......WHY???
They also aknowledge that she is responsible for what has happend to Abbygail..... I wonder if a medical/insanity defense being planned here.

:read: Very Interesting!!! [/*]

I guarantee you that's exactly what their defense is going to be. I just hope they get justice for Abbygail, and find out what really happened to her. I hope she is safe, and being cared for somewhere. But, if not, I hope they prosecute to the fullest extent of the law and find whoever is responsible.

[lorjac]

Between this case and Baby Grace out of Texas.... I am just sick to my stomach..... just sick.

[hondarooly]

Unless you have been around a diabetic...you do not know... they do lose most if not all of their memory of their actions, during an insulin reaction or a diabetic coma. I'm am not saying that she did not hurt her child, she very well may have. But, what I am saying is she probably doesn't know what happened. I was raised with a diabetic father, and would find him doing very unusual things, too many to mention. They would be totally out of character for him, and after bringing him out of the reaction or coma he would have no memory of it, and would often accuse us of making things up, or lying. Please do not make this woman a villain untill we know the facts. I'm sure her life is hell right now.

[Brooke]

Originally posted by hondarooly
Unless you have been around a diabetic...you do not know... they do lose most if not all of their memory of their actions, during an insulin reaction or a diabetic coma. I'm am not saying that she did not hurt her child, she very well may have. But, what I am saying is she probably doesn't know what happened. I was raised with a diabetic father, and would find him doing very unusual things, too many to mention. They would be totally out of character for him, and after bringing him out of the reaction or coma he would have no memory of it, and would often accuse us of making things up, or lying. Please do not make this woman a villain untill we know the facts. I'm sure her life is hell right now. [/*]

OMG I justtyped this long respone and included 4 smilies and it said to many smilies and sent me back and my post is gone..... Grrr..... Anyway

Hi Hondarooly

:seeya: we are almost neighbors!

I have followed this story from day 1. Every morning when I get up I google news to see if Baby Abby has been found. This story breaks my heart.
Believe it or not I WANT SARAH TO BE INNOCENT!!!! I want Baby Abby to be found, brought home to spend her first Thanksgiving and Christmas with her adoring Mommy and Daddy. I want Abby to make memories with Sarah and grow up and pass them on to her children. I want Abby to be safe somewhere. But sadly I believe that Sarah killed Abby. I believe that whatever was going on in Sarahs life caused her to resent Abby and she wanted her gone. The deceptive life Sarah led prior to Abby's disappearance supports this. I believe after Sarah killed Abby she either buried her or dumped her somewhere. I believe she came home and did something to her own body to induce some type of diabetic reaction. I believe that Sarah is 100% to blame for whatever has happend to Abby and for Sarahs medical status when she was found.
Sarah stated that her first thought upon seeing her mom was where is Abby. The Paramedics state that Sarah was in such a state of confusion that she could not recognize her own mother. I know howitis having diabetes my father and I both have it. I went through many years with my father having seizures and insulin reactins. Yes they do not remember what they have done or said during the reaction itself, but they do remember what they were doing leading up to the reaction.
Sarah is hiding behind her medical condition and blaming it for whatever she did to Abby. I hope I am wrong, I hope Abby is out there right now being loved on by a woman who could not have a baby of her own and was longing for one so badly she took Baby Abby.


:rose: Abby We Will Not Forget You



ETA: All this is MOO!!!

[lilrok]

well if her sugar levels were reading high the week prior when she can remember you would think she would ask for help fearing she may going into that kind of state ( not knowing what shes doing) and if the levels were that high why buy a product you know will raise them further(nyquil) i dont buy a word of her story i think she self induced this diabetes thing to cover her tracks...

i dont know what story there is about baby grace...but personally ive become obsessed with this one and its breaking my heart..

[Brooke]

lilrok Baby Grace is the remains of a 2-5 year old little girl a fisherman found in a box, IIRC, last week. Sad, sad, sad :(

[lilrok]

got a link to that story Brook?

[Brooke]

Originally posted by lilrok
got a link to that story Brook? [/*]

There is a whole thread dedicated to her

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=317046

she is also front page of TES site

http://www.texasequusearch.org/index.html

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by hondarooly
Unless you have been around a diabetic...you do not know... they do lose most if not all of their memory of their actions, during an insulin reaction or a diabetic coma. [/*]

Do you ever regain your memory of the events or are they lost forever?

[Brooke]

The things that are done while in that state you do not recover. You are in this state because either your sugar is too high or too low. It is not like you are in this state for hours and hours. You will lose concsiousness because either your sugar is dropping or rising to unsafe levels. But you would only be concious in that state for a limited amount of time. You would not be able to commit this crime and cover it up in the short amount of time.

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by lilrok
well if her sugar levels were reading high the week prior when she can remember you would think she would ask for help fearing she may going into that kind of state ( not knowing what shes doing) and if the levels were that high why buy a product you know will raise them further(nyquil) i dont buy a word of her story i think she self induced this diabetes thing to cover her tracks...
[/*]

hi Lilrock,
:seeya:

One thing I noticed in the latest LFP article was that her blood tests at the hospital revealed only aspirin in her system. So maybe this tylenol business was a rumour.. or if she did purchase it, it wasn't for herself. Perhaps she gave it to Abby to get her to sleep through the night and the baby overdosed on it?
That's also a good point about the soaring sugar levels.... on a facebook group the dad, Chris Meadows, talks about seeing Sara in these diabetic states before??? If this was a common occurence, why weren't more people concerned when she couldn't be contacted? Chris included??
I'm starting to have more and more questions about this Chris Meadows. It said in that report that Sara was told Chris didn't want to talk to her... and in another it goes on to say that because HE DIDN'T want to talk to her. He made an awful fast about turn on his feelings for this women. It seems to me if you loved someone and were planning a life with this person you'd be a bit more supportive...at least at the onset.

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by Brooke
The things that are done while in that state you do not recover. You are in this state because either your sugar is too high or too low. It is not like you are in this state for hours and hours. You will lose concsiousness because either your sugar is dropping or rising to unsafe levels. But you would only be concious in that state for a limited amount of time. You would not be able to commit this crime and cover it up in the short amount of time. [/*]


Thanks Brooke.
Are you saying that the odds of her remaining in this confused state for two whole days would be unusual? That after that amount of time she she would've been totally unconcsious?

I think whatever happened, it was BEFORE she became ill.
I read somewhere that stress will also bring on this state?

[elledub]

Originally posted by JMChandler


hi Lilrock,
:seeya:

One thing I noticed in the latest LFP article was that her blood tests at the hospital revealed only aspirin in her system. So maybe this tylenol business was a rumour.. or if she did purchase it, it wasn't for herself. Perhaps she gave it to Abby to get her to sleep through the night and the baby overdosed on it?
That's also a good point about the soaring sugar levels.... on a facebook group the dad, Chris Meadows, talks about seeing Sara in these diabetic states before??? If this was a common occurence, why weren't more people concerned when she couldn't be contacted? Chris included??
I'm starting to have more and more questions about this Chris Meadows. It said in that report that Sara was told Chris didn't want to talk to her... and in another it goes on to say that because HE DIDN'T want to talk to her. He made an awful fast about turn on his feelings for this women. It seems to me if you loved someone and were planning a life with this person you'd be a bit more supportive...at least at the onset. [/*]

Ummm, I believe it would be rather hard to be supportive...once you find out that the woman you were ready to spend the rest of your life with (and that just had your child 3 weeks ago) was/had recently been married. And you had no clue!

[Brooke]

Originally posted by JMChandler



Thanks Brooke.
Are you saying that the odds of her remaining in this confused state for two whole days would be unusual? That after that amount of time she she would've been totally unconcsious?

I think whatever happened, it was BEFORE she became ill.
I read somewhere that stress will also bring on this state? [/*]

Yes at some point her sugar levels would either fall to a point where she would lose consciousness or rise to the point of unconsciousness. It would be rare to unheard of to remain in this state for two days because that would mean your sugar is staying at one point, either high or low, consistantly. Our sugar levels are affected by anything and everything. Stress can most defiantely trigger irratic blood sugar levels.
let me explain a bit, for her to remain in the state of condusion lets just say her sugar levels were around 500, she would have to do something to maintain theat level of sugar in her blood to remain in that state for very long. If you are in a state of confusion because your sugar is high you cannot rationally think I must ingest some sugar to retain this level. If her sugar was 500 it would only keep going up because as a diabetic your body does not produce insulin so you must inject yourself with insulin to keep your sugars down. No insulin for two days I can only imagine what her sugar levels were whn she was found. Her sugar levels would only fall to an unsafe low level if she had injected too much insulin which we know is not the case.

[Brooke]

Originally posted by JMChandler


hi Lilrock,
:seeya:

One thing I noticed in the latest LFP article was that her blood tests at the hospital revealed only aspirin in her system. So maybe this tylenol business was a rumour.. or if she did purchase it, it wasn't for herself. Perhaps she gave it to Abby to get her to sleep through the night and the baby overdosed on it?
That's also a good point about the soaring sugar levels.... on a facebook group the dad, Chris Meadows, talks about seeing Sara in these diabetic states before??? If this was a common occurence, why weren't more people concerned when she couldn't be contacted? Chris included??
I'm starting to have more and more questions about this Chris Meadows. It said in that report that Sara was told Chris didn't want to talk to her... and in another it goes on to say that because HE DIDN'T want to talk to her. He made an awful fast about turn on his feelings for this women. It seems to me if you loved someone and were planning a life with this person you'd be a bit more supportive...at least at the onset. [/*]


She could have ingested the Nyquil on Tuesday and it would be out of her system by Thursday.

She says Chris wont talk to her and her says she wont talk to him. Something is not right there!!!!

[Brooke]

Originally posted by elledub


Ummm, I believe it would be rather hard to be supportive...once you find out that the woman you were ready to spend the rest of your life with (and that just had your child 3 weeks ago) was/had recently been married. And you had no clue! [/*]

She was not recently married. Her and her husband had been seperated for about a year. They had recently began speaking again.

Chris was unaware that she was NOT divorced as she had told him.

[elledub]

Originally posted by Brooke


She was not recently married. Her and her husband had been seperated for about a year. They had recently began speaking again.

Chris was unaware that she was NOT divorced as she had told him. [/*]

I worded that poorly - I didn't mean to say that she had recently married but that until recently she was married. My point is, she had obviously been lying to Chris for awhile now. I don't blame him for not wanting to talk to her once he found out.

[Brooke]

Originally posted by elledub


I worded that poorly - I didn't mean to say that she had recently married but that until recently she was married. My point is, she had obviously been lying to Chris for awhile now. I don't blame him for not wanting to talk to her once he found out. [/*]

I agree with you that she was deceptive. But why is he saying he wants to talk to her but she wont talk to him? She is saying she wants to talk to him but he wont talk to her?

[lorjac]

I guess who does the 'I want to talk, but they won't' kind of depends on which camp you're listening to. Unless you get them both in a room and hear them both admit they don't want to talk to the other.... I think it depends on who is reporting it.....

If he really doesn't want to talk to her, I think it's due to the fact that he recently busted her in a HUGE lie and I think he also has suspicions regarding her guilt..... he doesn't seem to be looking for his daughter either... which tells me, he doesn't think there is anything to look for.

For her not to want to talk to him, I would think that makes her look more heartless.... she should be trying to talk to him to explain where she stands, what happened and why she wasn't honest.

Either way to me.... looks bad for her.

[Brooke]

lorjac I completely agree. I have been reading on Facebook (I truly have become obsessed) and some of the comments he has made makes me feel that in some way he knows Sarah killed Abby. I really feel for him.

Chris's recent Facebook comment.....

"i'm just sitting here reading Sara's press release from Saturday, and it is so full of crap! Little miss selective memory. You know what happened to Abby and now your just to chicken **** to own up to what you did, your putting yourself before Abby, what kind of mother does that? If you really wanted to know what happened, you would be doing everything possible to find out and your not. Your just sitting there hiding behind your lawyer. Well guess what he can only hide you for so long, you will pay for what you did to my daughter."

[lorjac]

Hmmm, well I guess he's not buying what she's selling either..... guess maybe they should leave him in a room w/her for awhile.... (not for physical abuse.....) but the man should be entitled to tell her EXACTLY what he thinks of her and what he's thinking she did......

Is her husband even supportive of her?

[Brooke]

I haven't seen where her husband has said anything publicly. I dont even think they have released his name, I could be wrong though.

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by lorjac
Hmmm, well I guess he's not buying what she's selling either..... guess maybe they should leave him in a room w/her for awhile.... (not for physical abuse.....) but the man should be entitled to tell her EXACTLY what he thinks of her and what he's thinking she did......

Is her husband even supportive of her? [/*]

Now that's a question I'd love to have answered.... where is the husband in all this? No mention whatsoever of him. Has he been checked out and cleared as well? Seems to me he would also have a darn good reason to get rid of Abby! It seems quite strange that no one seems to be bringing him up.
Perhaps it was him and Sara who did something?

I wish we could get some answers instead of more and more questions.
:mad:

[lilrok]

Originally posted by lorjac
I guess who does the 'I want to talk, but they won't' kind of depends on which camp you're listening to. Unless you get them both in a room and hear them both admit they don't want to talk to the other.... I think it depends on who is reporting it.....

If he really doesn't want to talk to her, I think it's due to the fact that he recently busted her in a HUGE lie and I think he also has suspicions regarding her guilt..... he doesn't seem to be looking for his daughter either... which tells me, he doesn't think there is anything to look for.

For her not to want to talk to him, I would think that makes her look more heartless.... she should be trying to talk to him to explain where she stands, what happened and why she wasn't honest.

Either way to me.... looks bad for her. [/*]



i agree with you both on this topic but
when exactly did Chris find out about the hubby and that bit and why wouldnt he at least want to hear straight from her or at least ask her himself where their baby is?

if it were me thats the first person id be talking to when i found out my infant was missing... no matter how mad i am..
i dont think hes so innocent in all this and maybe their playing this i dont wanna talk to the other to cover somethig up?
he did have a key to her apartment after all and he could have taken the baby out with him and thats why she isnt being found near the mothers neighborhood, if something had happend to Abby, Chris could have helped her dispose of the baby...and if not Chris someone else he might have sent to help Sara

yes i know im reaching ...but in this case what else can we do?

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by lilrok





when exactly did Chris find out about the hubby and that bit and why wouldnt he at least want to hear straight from her or at least ask her himself where their baby is?

if it were me thats the first person id be talking to when i found out my infant was missing... no matter how mad i am..[/*]

That's what I'd been thinking too. He did know she'd been married. She told him she was divorced...when she was only separated. But in my mind that would be minor compared to the fact your that the woman you've just had a baby with is in the hospital in ICU and your baby is missing. And besides I doubt that's the first thing he was told. IT was the police who told him about it. Why would his first reaction be to not want to talk with her? Why be immediately suspicious? He must know more than we do.
I don't really think he had anything to do with what happened to Abby but there's something not right about him. Whether he's exagerating the relationship.... she also said they had a big fight about custody - proof of which her lawyer claims they have.
Why wasn't he concerned that he'd been out of touch with her? It was her mother that gets worried.

[lorjac]

I think if he did anything to help her.... she'd have sold him out by now.... I really, really do.

While I do still believe there is WAY more going on.....

[JMChandler]

The truth is slowly coming out.... I knew this Chris Meadows was white washing things...

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/11/06/4633919-sun.html

[lorjac]

You know I hate having this tunnel vision... but it's the same as when Laci Peterson went missing, instantly I thought Scott and never waivered from that.... even if the dad turns out to be a d*ck.... I still say mom did it....

I don't know why, but I just can't let go of that..... you can be an SOB and not a killer... ya know???? No clue.... but I don't see him as the bad guy.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by lorjac
You know I hate having this tunnel vision... but it's the same as when Laci Peterson went missing, instantly I thought Scott and never waivered from that.... even if the dad turns out to be a d*ck.... I still say mom did it....

I don't know why, but I just can't let go of that..... you can be an SOB and not a killer... ya know???? No clue.... but I don't see him as the bad guy. [/*]

I know exactly how you feel lorjac. From what has come out about Sara and Chris, I don't think it is unreasonable that he felt bitter. I think she led him on too.

[MsRyber]

Gosh...it seems people want to shift blame to Chris Meadows. He has been cleared for goodness sakes! He was in Fergus, with his kids when she went missing. What else does he have to do to prove his innocence?

Remember, he also has also been told not to say this and that by the police. I am sure he doesn't know what end is up. He wanted to be identified immediately, but the police said it would hamper things. All of this is totally ridiculous. I really think the police are being wishy-washy...saying one thing, then covering their butts.

i.e. saying he didn't want to be identified, when that wasn't true at all.

[lilrok]

how would it hamper things with him being identified? why would the police say that?

i think he wasnt as honest in the beginning as he should have been which will now make whatever he says look questionable..

hhhmmm

Chris was with Sara for a week after the baby was born then she with him for a week untill this paternity thing comes up then they fight for the third week of Abbys life over that then she goes missing?
is it possible Sara doesnt want to have a custody battle with Chris so Sara hid Abby out.. with someone to stop him from seeking full or joint custody.. since he does have partial custody of his other kids he could very well have gained joint custody with Sara over Abby

[lilrok]

lol id make a terrible investigator.....

guess its a good thing i stick to being a Foster Parent eh?

[lorjac]

I don't see that working tho..... because she can't keep Abby in hiding forever .... and if she does turn up, if the child is truly his ~ he has rights. And her 'hiding' the child is also deemed abduction and would work against her.

I would love to be an investigator.... as long as I didn't have to see blood. Other peoples blood does me in.

[Brooke]

I look at Chris and i see a grieving father. I do not believe he had anything to do with Abby's disappearance. Of course this has changed several times.

IIRC a previous article stated that Chris knew she had been married but DID NOT know she was not divorced.

Per facebook HE GAVE HER $500 for a divorce attorney WHILE SHE WAS LIVING WITH HIM, this he did not know. Sarah told him they had not been living together for over a year!

I still believe if they give Sarah enough rope she will hang herself.

[JMChandler]

I think the majority of us in this thread have a secret desire to be detectives... ;)

""it seems people want to shift blame to Chris Meadows""

I'm not trying to shift the blame. I just think it's important to look at the whole picture. If he's going to put himself out there... holding press conferences with the media, making statement on facebook etc. he'd best make sure he's telling the truth! It's becoming obvious that he hasn't been.

[lorjac]

No.. he either hasn't or he's been emotional when speaking and not being consistent... you know how you get when you're either really mad or upset ... you talk and talk and then wonder what the HELL you said.

I do believe there are inconsistencies w/in his statements... but if he has an absolutely clear cut alibi and has been completely cleared by LE.... then he has nothing to worry about.

Personally, if it were my child missing.... I would be the biggest open book and I would be ensuring EVERYONE around me was one as well, to get the focus where it needs to be. It seems that most are convinced that is already the case. That the focus is Sara... but throwing Chris out there from time to time.... keeps that 'doubt' thing going.

[Brooke]

On facebook Chris is not denying that him and Sarah fought.

"i'm not going to deny that sara and i argued at all, but i really don't know what that has to do with anything. i asked the press to help find Abby and then i get this bull**** from some reporter that can't even do her job properly by saying only half of things. "

http://www.facebook.com/wall.php?id=5023208677

[JMChandler]

Maybe we should quit reading these news articles. You just can't believe everything you read or hear.
There are so many contradictory stories out there now.

But the main focus should be "where is baby Abbygail"? In fact that is really the ONLY question. Once that is answered everything else will fall into place.

[lorjac]

if it were only that easy...... do you really think they're going to find her???? anytime soon????

[Rachel0514]

if it were only that easy...... do you really think they're going to find her???? anytime soon????

As much as I hate to admit this, honestly, no I don't. For those of you who aren't familiar with the area, St. Thomas is a small city, it's full of wooded areas, streams, fields, etc; and the areas surrounding the city are completely rural. There's a million and one places that you could hide something and a three week old is tiny. Not to mention, it's been getting colder here and it feels like winter may be here soon, which means everything will be covered by snow. It's awful and sickening to think about but there is a real possibility that Abby may never be found.

I'm sitting here with two browser windows open, one is looking at baby clothes for our first, due in the spring, and the other is reading updates on this case, and I can't even fathom how anyone could do this to their "miracle baby". It's taken a lot to get to the point where we can be confident that this pregnancy will end in a baby and I already have such a love and a bond with this child that the thought of anything happening makes me physically ill. How can Sarah be so disconnected?

The thing about the balcony door being open seems like utter nonsense to me. If you were going to take a baby from an apartment and the mother was too out of it to stop you would you leave through the front door where you won't attract attention or would you draw attention by attempting to scale a second floor balcony holding a newborn. I swear, Sarah's lawyer thinks that we aren't capable of rational thought and that he can throw out any far fetched conclusion that he wants and everyone will buy it. I realize that he's doing his job but I still can't believe that he can defend her with a straight face right now.

I can't remember who asked but no, Sarah's husband has not been named and yes, he was cleared within the first few days of the investigation.

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by lorjac
if it were only that easy...... do you really think they're going to find her???? anytime soon???? [/*]

Unfortunately ... no I don't . :( Especially when the police made so little effort right in the beginning when the chances were much better. But one can't help but hope. :shrug:

[lorjac]

The thing about the front door being locked, why does that seem odd.... if I was sneaking out... and knew the mother was out of it... locking the door would be logical. If someone stopped by and knocked, got no answer and checked ... the door being locked would make sense. It seems it would hinder the chance of someone finding her too soon....

Leaving the balcony door open is like asking for attention.....


Despite I don't think that is what happened....

[Rachel0514]

locking the door would be logical.

If you had a key though. In the original reports only Sarah and the landlord had keys. It was later amended by Sarah's lawyer to say Chris had a key as well, although I don't know if that's ever been confirmed by anyone else.

[lorjac]

Right... but if it was an intruder abduction.... locking the door would make sense. If you stop at someones house and they don't answer... normally your first response isn't to get a landlord to let you in..... it would be to assume they were gone. If it happened a few days in a row is something else. Ya know?

[Rachel0514]

Oh, I know what you mean. My main thought was that in Sarah's letter to Abby, she said she thought Abby was taken by someone who wanted a perfect baby, which to me, means that Sarah believes it was a stranger abduction. But when she was asked about the door she said "well the balcony door was open" (paraphrased). So it seems like the line of thought she was going down was that a stranger abducted Abby and then went down the balcony, which just seems far fetched to me. Of course, nothing in Sarah's letter seemed to ring true, so who knows what she's really thinking at this point.

[lorjac]

She thought the letter would get her some sympathy.... a woman who lost her child and misses her madly.... only if that's what she was looking for.... she totally missed the mark. Big time....

[JMChandler]

I don't know how much thought she's putting into anything. I think alot of this is her lawyer's "suggestions".
Do this, do that, say this, say that. He's already started trying the case. Which is his job.

If left on her own I suspect she wouldn't have said a word to anyone. Just hoped it would all go away. :mad:

[lorjac]

You're probably VERY right.....

[JMChandler]

Hi Everyone,

Thought I'd update everyone. A group from the area got a search party together yesterday to search a couple of areas that the mediums have mentioned. One medium spoke to the police and the other had offered his services to the dad.
There was no police involvement.. which kept me away. Although the woman who organized it said that the police were aware of it.
Anyway, nothing was found. Although there were only 11 people who went so how much ground could they cover?
Also, just heresay from facebook, but a couple of interesting points. One is they talk about looking for the car seat? Has anyone read anything about the car seat being missing?
The second one is something about hair dye being found. ?? Again I don't know where this is coming from although it is from the facebook group in which the Dad belongs.

I asked the Dad what type of baby Abby is. Among other things he said she was rarely cranky... tends to go against my theory of Sara becoming overwhelmed with a colicky baby and giving her nyquil (too much) to put her to sleep.

No word lately from the police.

[lilrok]

ive never heard anything about the car seat missing..

[Breazy]

I was just checking for updates on Baby Abbygail . . . I do think it highly suspicious concerning the contradictions about Chris Meadows. I think he's hiding things as well . . . According to the above link, he and Sarah have had communication as late as October 3. Wonder what was said? Wonder why they both have denied this previously and pointed fingers at each other about refusing to talk to the other? I'm really undecided about whether Sarah truly does not remember what happened but I so hope Abbygail is being taken care of somewhere.

:rose: Baby Abby -- I pray someone is taking care of you.

[lilrok]

doesnt it seem odd that her car seat would be missing? what baby abductor would take the car seat from her car? i still believe she gave or sold the baby to someone else...


did any reports ever say if they found the nyquil or tylenol in her apartment?

[JMChandler]

Seems VERY odd. But like I say.. I'm only getting this from that facebook group. ???

I do believe the police mentioned that the items that were purchased at Shoppers were located in her apartment. They didn't say if they were still full or not.

[lilrok]

i think whoever had baby Abby in the car with them while she was in the last shoppers mart has the baby i think shes alive

[n/t]

Originally posted by lilrok
i think whoever had baby Abby in the car with them while she was in the last shoppers mart has the baby i think shes alive [/*]

Can you explain what you mean by this? I thought Sarah was the last person to be with Abby at Shopper's. Did I miss something?

TIA!

[lilrok]

Originally posted by n/t


Can you explain what you mean by this? I thought Sarah was the last person to be with Abby at Shopper's. Did I miss something?

TIA! [/*]


she was in the shoppers mart alone in the evening (without the baby) in one buying baby supplies and in another 30 minutes later buying Tylenol and Nyquil.....where was baby Abbygail then? is the big question......


and now her car seat is missing too? that leads me to believe shes alive somewhere

but that could be wishful thinking on my part

are there any new updates on this case? its been awhile since ive heard anything new?

[lorjac]

I'm sorry to say, I believe it's wishful thinking as well.....

[n/t]

Originally posted by lilrok



she was in the shoppers mart alone in the evening (without the baby) in one buying baby supplies and in another 30 minutes later buying Tylenol and Nyquil.....where was baby Abbygail then? is the big question......


and now her car seat is missing too? that leads me to believe shes alive somewhere

but that could be wishful thinking on my part

are there any new updates on this case? its been awhile since ive heard anything new? [/*]

Thank you. For some reason I thought I read Sarah had Abby with her when she went to Shoppers.

I haven't heard any new updates. :(

[Brooke]

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2007/11/24/4681260-sun.html

[lorjac]

Sorry.. I still think she's in the hot seat and just covering for herself.... why NOW??? Why not immediately offer $$ for your child... not wait this long....

[lilrok]

i dont buy her act,she knows where the baby is how long will she play this game? sadly my answer would be
"forever if it keeps her out of prison"

hasnt the police searched anymore likewhere the psychics said they would find the baby?

[Brooke]

I agree, she knows and this is just to cover her behind.

[lorjac]

Just when I think I cannot dislike this woman anymore.... funny thing... I do!

[omsk99]

~snip

"Glover also said Whittington won't let St. Thomas police interview her further." :mad:

http://lfpress.ca/cgi-bin/publish.cgi?p=216681&s=hottopics

[lilrok]

that to me screams GUILTY!!!!!!!!!

[omsk99]

Originally posted by lilrok
that to me screams GUILTY!!!!!!!!! [/*]

Totally! What mother would not speak to police if her child is missing? Only a guilty one!!

[lilrok]

exactly!!!!!!!!
and if they think shes guilty and thats why she isnt TALKING, shes really stupid
if i didnt hurt my child, id be talking my head off, so they didnt think i did..

shes a fool.. i so hope she doesnt get away with this

Abby deserves better:rose:

[lorjac]

My mouth would be running like a ducks *** and you can bet if anyone close to me refused to talk.... I'd be on their doorstep wanting them to face ME!

[omsk99]

In case this wasn't posted before, a MySpace for Abbygail:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=14485338

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by lilrok

hasnt the police searched anymore likewhere the psychics said they would find the baby? [/*]

The police haven't but a group from the St Thomas community did search these areas a couple of weeks ago but they didn't find anything.

[JMChandler]

Originally posted by lorjac
Sorry.. I still think she's in the hot seat and just covering for herself.... why NOW??? Why not immediately offer $$ for your child... not wait this long.... [/*]

Local Speculation is: there was a walk here in St. Thomas a couple of weeks ago and during that walk there was a gentlemen that came forward to offer a reward... people think this is what gave Sara and her lawyer the idea. They are also speculating that she knows there's no fear of having to pay it out!
Both Sara and the father Chris attended the walks. There was a real contrast between the behaviours of each. Chris was quite somber whereas Sara was joking and laughing with her friends. When they got to the police station to ask questions Sara stayed way in the back , whereas Chris was right up front.

hmmm

[lilrok]

its just sad, i believe shes going to get away with whatever she did to her poor baby....it isnt right.... it just isnt right....

[JMChandler]

Latest Update:

This was on the local news station last week... they were kind enough to send me the script as I'd missed the newscast.


"SARA WHITTINGTON HAS SAID ALL ALONG THAT SHE DOESN'T REMEMBER BEING IN THIS SHOPPER'S DRUG MART STORE.... BUT DOESN'T DENY THAT IT'S HER. SOURCES SAID SARA BOUGHT SEVERAL MEDICATIONS TWO NIGHTS BEFORE SHE WAS DISCOVERED IN HER APARTMENT... COMING OUT OF A DIABETIC COMA... HER INFANT ABBYGAIL NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.

NOW... WHITTINGTON'S LAWYER IS CONFIRMING -- FOR THE FIRST TIME -- WHAT SARA PURCHASED ON THE NIGHT OF SEPTEMBER 18TH.

Glover: Tylenol and Nytol at 8:30 on Edward Street.

THEN A HALF HOUR LATER... SHE STOPPED AT ANOTHER SHOPPER'S DRUG MART ON FIRST AVENUE... AND PURCHASED NYQUIL LIQUICAPS... AND A BOTTLE OF FRUIT PUNCH FUELOCITY SPORTS DRINK. NONE OF THE MEDICATIONS WAS A SWEETENED LIQUID... MEANING IT'S SAFE FOR A DIABETIC TO CONSUME.

Bridge: But what was Sara Whittington doing in between those two trips to two different Shoppers Drug marts... and why did she need to make two stops? There are of course.. no answers... but Bill Glover has a theory.

It's actually a simple explanation... we were hoping her Mastercard would have shown another purchase... but she may have made the first purchase at 8:30... driving along... 1/2 hour later realized she bought Nytol instead of Nyquil.

GLOVER BELIEVES THERE'S EVIDENCE TO SHOW SHE WAS WITH SOMEONE THAT NIGHT... FOR EXAMPLE... POLICE PHOTOS SHOW TWO USED DRINKING GLASSES IN HER APARTMENT. HE THINKS SARA AND WHOEVER SHE WAS WITH MAY HAVE STOPPED TO ORDER PIZZA OR CHINESE FOOD INBETWEEN THE TWO DRUGSTORE VISITS. TYLENOL... NYTOL... NYQUIL WERE FOUND IN WHITTINGTON'S APARTMENT... AND SEIZED BY POLICE. EACH PACKAGE HAD PILLS MISSING... BUT THE ONLY DRUG FOUND IN WHITTINGTON'S SYSTEM... WAS A SMALL AMOUNT OF ACETAMINOPHEN. SARAH MCGRATH A-CHANNEL NEWS."

[lilrok]

ok it says they found her as she was coming out of a diabetic coma? am i right in the way i read that? how can she come out of the coma by herself?
and wouldnt the nyquil have been out of her system after two days?
i thought diabetics couldnt take nyquil and so what if it wasnt liquid nyquil it was liquid tabs same thing in my book

[Breazy]

I just don't know about this one . . . Sometimes I believe Sarah is guilty of doing something to/with Baby Abigail and sometimes I believe Chris Meadows may be pulling the wool over everyone's eyes. I just hope and pray this baby is safe somewhere!


:rose:

[Brooke]

I agree Breazy. Sometimes I feel Sarah is guilty as he!! and other times I really wonder about Chris. I do believe there was a second person with Sarah that Tuesday night, who I dont know. But I do hope and [ray that this beautiful baby girl is spending her first christmas with someone who really wanted her and is giving her lots of love.


:rose: For Baby Abby

[MsRyber]

Originally posted by Brooke
I agree Breazy. Sometimes I feel Sarah is guilty as he!! and other times I really wonder about Chris. I do believe there was a second person with Sarah that Tuesday night, who I dont know. But I do hope and [ray that this beautiful baby girl is spending her first christmas with someone who really wanted her and is giving her lots of love.


:rose: For Baby Abby [/*]

Chris' alibi of being in Guelph at that time is pretty much airtight, at least that is what I've heard. That is the tough part. He has agreed to searches, polygraphs, you name it.

I really think people want it to NOT be the mother. Me, included. But at this point, I think Chris has pretty much excluded himself as a POI.

[rainydays]

bumping for baby abbygail. st. thomas is quite close to where i live. this missing baby case hits too close to home.

i believe the mom did something to her but i think there is a chance she doesn't really know what happened. my dad is a diabetic and he doesn't always remember what he has done when in insulin shock.

i do believe that the baby's dad was not involved. what a confusing and heartwrenching case.

[lilrok]

JMChandler

Latest Update:

This was on the local news station last week... they were kind enough to send me the script as I'd missed the newscast.


"SARA WHITTINGTON HAS SAID ALL ALONG THAT SHE DOESN'T REMEMBER BEING IN THIS SHOPPER'S DRUG MART STORE.... BUT DOESN'T DENY THAT IT'S HER. SOURCES SAID SARA BOUGHT SEVERAL MEDICATIONS TWO NIGHTS BEFORE SHE WAS DISCOVERED IN HER APARTMENT... COMING OUT OF A DIABETIC COMA... HER INFANT ABBYGAIL NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.


lilrok

ok it says they found her as she was coming out of a diabetic coma? am i right in the way i read that? how can she come out of the coma by herself?
and wouldnt the nyquil have been out of her system after two days?
i thought diabetics couldnt take nyquil and so what if it wasnt liquid nyquil it was liquid tabs same thing in my book

__________________________________________________ ___


i didnt know how to quote both of these , so i copied and pasted...to bump it from the last page

this is the part that really bugs me...

SHE WAS DISCOVERED IN HER APARTMENT... COMING OUT OF A DIABETIC COMA...
how does a diabetic come out of a diabetic coma themselves?

[rainydays]

how does a diabetic come out of a diabetic coma themselves? [/*][/QUOTE]

i know from experience with my father's diabetes that i have never seen him come out of a diabetic coma on his own. it sounds more like sarah was in a form of insulin shock rather than a coma. she was coherent in some degree and my experience with a diabetic coma is that the person is not consious.

[MaFitz]

I am still convinced Sarah knows what happened to baby Abbygail. I keep hoping she will be found but as time passes it is hard not to feel finding her is hopeless.

:rose: Abby:rose:

[lilrok]

well im not buying the part about her being in that kind of state and not knowing what she did with the baby...

i believe she did something to her and to cover her tracks she took nyquil knowing it would affect her in some diabetic way and shes just faked the rest...she stated when her mother and the mainence man found her her first thought upon seeing her mother in her apartment was "wheres Abby" so to me that shows she wasnt in a diabetic coma...that the nyquil had worn off..

[rainydays]

Originally posted by MaFitz
I am still convinced Sarah knows what happened to baby Abbygail. I keep hoping she will be found but as time passes it is hard not to feel finding her is hopeless.

:rose: Abby:rose: [/*]

i agree that it seems as though sarah may have done somethiing horrible to baby abby. i always find myself hoping that were not the case in any of these missing kid cases and still hold out some hope that abby will be found and given a proper burial.

[rainydays]

Originally posted by MaFitz
I am still convinced Sarah knows what happened to baby Abbygail. I keep hoping she will be found but as time passes it is hard not to feel finding her is hopeless.

:rose: Abby:rose: [/*]

i tend to think that sarah could know but will never admit it. they will have to find something new to tie her to it before she would ever confess.

who in the world could hurt a tiny baby?? sick, selfish individuals.

[lorjac]

I don't know.... even when my kids hurt themselves just in playing I feel terrible... I cannot imagine hurting them intentionally.....

I also cannot imagine not having them w/me.... every night being able to kiss them good night... or good morning ~ or a hug when you least expect it... or that "I Love You Mommy" ....

If my child was missing... I know I have another that would need my attention... but so much of my heart would just die.... I can't imagine that type of loss.

I had a miscarriage about 13 yrs ago... I only knew I was pregnant for a week... and I still think about that loss.... I wonder if she would be like my daughters now... what she would look like, how she would act and I talk to her and that was a child I never met or even got to hold or anything... just crazy.

[MaFitz]

Originally posted by rainydays


i agree that it seems as though sarah may have done somethiing horrible to baby abby. i always find myself hoping that were not the case in any of these missing kid cases and still hold out some hope that abby will be found and given a proper burial. [/*]

ITA, I am always hoping that they are alive and well somewhere, and then the case either goes cold like Abby's or they pop up with "Body Found". Its depressing, and with Abby being an infant god only knows where her body could even be, there are too many possibilities.

She could have put her in a garbage dumpster before or after going into the store that last night. I hate to imply that but I really think she either killed her or found her dead and just tossed her out.

It would be nice if Sara would just once think about Abby as a human and show her the respect she deserves by telling LE where she put her so she can receive a proper buriel.

[lorjac]

That would be nice... but I don't see it happening... I see Sara thinking of Sara ONLY.

[lilrok]

i just have a hard time believing shes that cold...i dont see how she can be so emotionless even if she doesnt know what happend to Abby, or even if she does know...she shows no remorse at all for either situation, yet she asks for her safe return and now offers money,,
she acts more like a woman who knows where she is and that shes alive so shes not sad....
i cant make upp my mind about Abbys fate but i do wish this stupid woman would be arrested for something so she might be forced to confess....
i cant believe its taking this long.....

[Carol25]

Don't you think that she intentionally left the baby in the car while she shopped? Since the baby seat was missing as well, don't you think that someone just wanted the baby and she's being taken care of?

[lilrok]

Carol,

i cant tell you how bad i want to believe that, i dont know why but my gut tells me that Abby is still alive somewhere or this mother would be more upset then she is ....whether she did something to her or doesnt remember what happend...i would think if Abby were dead or really missing this mother would be upset and she isnt....and now the car seat missing makes me believe that more then ever, and i dont believe a stanger has her either, i think Sara knows where she is...

[Mandysmom]

:rose: :wreath:

[Brooke]

Bump...

[lilrok]

any updates?
its almost Christmas and Abby's missed Holloween, Thanksgiving and probably she will miss her first Christmas without anyone knowing where the little darling is ...except her mother..how very sad....

we will pray for you this Christmas little Abby..
my girls have all made you presents this year and will leave them near the fireplace for Santa to bring them to you whereever you may be.....


:wreath: peace and love to you our little angel :rose:

[MaFitz]

I checked for updates earlier today on Abby, but the last thing new was the reward.

I have watched way too many claim that they have no idea where their loved one is and what happened to them and do this with a straight face only to later find out that they had killed the person and had been putting on their act to keep attention off of them.

Besides with Abby her disappearance makes no sense. What the police have found contradicts much of what Sara has claimed either directly or through her attorneys.

[MaFitz]

Sweet Baby Abbygail
:wreath: This would have been such a magical time of year for you with the dancing lights all around:wreath:

[kaylynn]

:rose: For baby Abbygail.
I'm praying for you.

[Brooke]

:rose: For Abby

:wreath: Praying you are safe on your first christmas...

[n/t]

Originally posted by MaFitz
Sweet Baby Abbygail
:wreath: This would have been such a magical time of year for you with the dancing lights all around:wreath: [/*]

Beautifully said.

Wonder how Sara spent her Christmas.

[Missti]

:wreath: For Abby

[Brooke]

Bumping for Baby Abby....

It has now been 3 and a half months since Abbygail went missing. My heart aches everyday that we dont have answers. I truly hoped she would have been found and would have been home for her first Christmas.

:rose: We will not for get you sweet baby Abby

[jader03]

This reminds me of the Trenton Duckett case which I just could not and still cannot get out of my mind...a man and woman fighting over their child and then the child dissapears? And the weird note written, like Melinda Duckett did for her son? Only Melinda succeeded in suicide, and who knows if Sara was attempting that or not. Why Nyquil, did she have a cold or something? And you cannot go out without your baby, so I too wonder where the child was if she was seen shopping alone. I recall there was some car seat issues with the Duckett case too...I just can't stand these types of cases. They make me so mad. I would never stop talking to the cops, media, anyone who would listen if my child was missing. I believe any innocent mom would never sleep and constantly look and have others looking for their baby. A one month old, jeez. She probably never bonded with her baby, or thought it was in the way of her life, or knew it was the husbands and not the other mans child and did the unthinkable. If she failed the lie dectector test, and the lawyer was already aware of her medical condition and she took it anyway, well its just all so obvious. I hope justice comes, and I too hope that the baby is alive.

[Brooke]

I hope and pray everyday that we will have some answers as to what happend to this precious little baby.



http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/CityandRegion/2008/01/12/4768964-sun.html

"Investigators are making progress in the case of missing St. Thomas infant Abbygail Dice, police say."


:rose: Praying for your safety Baby Abbygail

[MaFitz]

Brooke thank you for keeping this thread updated. :rose: Abbigail:rose:

[Leanne Weich]

What is the general consensus of opinion regarding Abbygail's fate? I personally believe she is deceased.

[lilrok]

i cant believe we still have no answers ..and i bet this mother is just going about her life...it makes me sick...

where are you baby Abby?
we are praying for you :rose:

[ruby]

Originally posted by lilrok
i cant believe we still have no answers ..and i bet this mother is just going about her life...it makes me sick...

where are you baby Abby?
we are praying for you :rose: [/*]

it's just like Trenton Duckett....these kids are just disappearing :(

[Sarah1228]

So there is still no news on where Abbygail is or what has happened to her. Last week Sylvia Browne was contacted and Sylvia believes that Abbygail is in the Saskatchewan area with an older couple that both of her parents knew. Also there is a new age progression of Abby made up.http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=34661&op=1&o=all&view=all&subj=10621491372&aid=-1&oid=10621491372&id=1036932431

[ruby]

Originally posted by Sarah1228
So there is still no news on where Abbygail is or what has happened to her. Last week Sylvia Browne was contacted and Sylvia believes that Abbygail is in the Saskatchewan area with an older couple that both of her parents knew. Also there is a new age progression of Abby made up.http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=34661&op=1&o=all&view=all&subj=10621491372&aid=-1&oid=10621491372&id=1036932431 [/*]

wow very interesting

[lilrok]

i dont know about that case....do you have a link?

well my gut has told me from day one that Abbygail is with someone the mother knew ,because the mother just doesnt seem as upset as you think she would if her child was dead or really missing.. so i am still hopefull baby Abby is alive and just hiding somewhere..

personally i think this case should have been solved already...
like why hasnt there been a tail put on the mother to follow her wherever she goes? or stronger tactics when she became a suspect instead of a person of interest? it just makes me sick

[n/t]

Originally posted by Sarah1228
So there is still no news on where Abbygail is or what has happened to her. Last week Sylvia Browne was contacted and Sylvia believes that Abbygail is in the Saskatchewan area with an older couple that both of her parents knew. Also there is a new age progression of Abby made up.http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=34661&op=1&o=all&view=all&subj=10621491372&aid=-1&oid=10621491372&id=1036932431 [/*]

I can't access the page. I don't believe a word the mom says.:cuss:

[lilrok]

is it the same one who said Abbygail would be found under a big tree early on in the investigation?

[Sarah1228]

lol, no. The person that said she would be found under a big tree was a lady who said that she could "see" things. This Sylvia Browne has been on many many tv shows eg. Montel, AMW etc. Anyways I hope she is right that Abby is safe and is being well cared for, but it would be really nice to see Abby returned to her parents and let justice be served.

[lilrok]

well i agree it would be nice to find Abby alive..
but not returned to her Mother ever!!!!

that woman needs some serious mental health help...

and the people who do have Abby i hope they go to jail for not coming forward...
see this so seems like she hid the baby from everyone knowingly.
for whatever demented reasons she had.. she doesnt deserve to get her back....

imho

[Seansgirl08]

What is going on in this case does any1 know?? Where is the mother??? is she in jail???

[Seansgirl08]

What is going on in this case does any1 know?? Where is the mother??? is she in jail???

[lilrok]

she should be in jail ....

[Sarah1228]

On the 20th of September 2007, St. Thomas Police responded to a report of a missing infant, later identified as Abbygail Elizabeth Dice (DOB: 22 August 2007). The mother of Abbygail is Sara Whittington (nee Dice). The father is Chris Meadows of Fergus, Ont. The last known location of Baby Abbygail was at 88 Confederation Dr Apt 208, the apartment of Sara Whittington, on the 18th of September 2007.
After a six-month investigation, St. Thomas Police have determined that on September 18th, 2007, Baby Abbygail died while in the company of her mother, Sara Whittington. The Police have also determined Sara Whittington took the victim to a location outside the City of St. Thomas and disposed of her body. After the disposal of Abbygail, the investigation determined that Sara Whittington stopped at two Shoppers Drug Stores and made separate purchases at each store. Sara then went to her home where she was discovered by Police on the 20th of September.
The body of Abbygail Dice has not been located and is part of the ongoing investigation into this matter. Sara Whittington was arrested on the 1st of May 2008 for causing an indignity to a body contrary to section 182(*) of the Criminal Code.
She is held in custody and will be appearing in St. Thomas Court on the 2nd of May 2008 at 9:30 AM for purposes of a bail hearing.
This investigation has been conducted by the St. Thomas City Police Service with the assistance of many other police agencies including: the London City Police Service, O.P.P, Waterloo Regional Police Service and the Toronto Police Service.

This is on the St.Thomas POlice Website - Also a write up in the London Free Press. I think it's about time!!!!!!!!!!

[lilrok]

yaaaaay it is about time......but what exactly is this?...causing an indignity to a body ....
and will she serve real jail time if she is convicted?

but it is still heart breaking about baby Abbygail
may you rest in peace littleone :rose:

thanks for the update ive been wondering what they were doing

[Brooke]

Thank GOD!! This is what we have all been waiting for, not wanting of course for baby Abby to be deceased, but for Sara to be brought to justice for harming that sweet baby girl.


RIP Sweet Baby Abby :rose:

[Leanne Weich]

Hopefully this charge of "causing an indignity to a body" is just the first leading up to a murder charge. This poor baby deserves to be laid to rest with dignity but, I suspect, she was probably dumped in a dumpster and is in some unknown landfill. JMO.

[txfemale45]

finally

RIP :rose:

[Brooke]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich
Hopefully this charge of "causing an indignity to a body" is just the first leading up to a murder charge. This poor baby deserves to be laid to rest with dignity but, I suspect, she was probably dumped in a dumpster and is in some unknown landfill. JMO. [/*]


I totally agree. I hope Justice is found for Baby Abbygail.

[lilrok]

so this...
causing an indignity to a body ....
... means getting rid of her body then?

[Brooke]

Originally posted by lilrok
so this...
causing an indignity to a body ....
... means getting rid of her body then? [/*]

Yes I believe it does lilrock

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by lilrok
so this...
causing an indignity to a body ....
... means getting rid of her body then? [/*]

I think it's pretty much the same as being charged with desecration of a corpse which is a charge in some states. JMOOC.

[lilrok]

There is no charge related to the child’s death

maybe that will help her tell where the baby is and then they will know how she died...hopefully she will get some jail time for this

thank you to all who posted links for us here and kept us updated.....

jessi

[MsRyber]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich
Hopefully this charge of "causing an indignity to a body" is just the first leading up to a murder charge. This poor baby deserves to be laid to rest with dignity but, I suspect, she was probably dumped in a dumpster and is in some unknown landfill. JMO. [/*]


I believe London/St.Thomas/Lambeth pick up goes directly to the landfill just outside of Hwy 4, between St. Thomas and Shedden.

[Brooke]

Originally posted by MsRyber



I believe London/St.Thomas/Lambeth pick up goes directly to the landfill just outside of Hwy 4, between St. Thomas and Shedden. [/*]

If that is the case poor Abbi will never be found, IMO. A tiny 6 week old baby amongst all the trash, my heart is breaking for Baby Abbi :(

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by MsRyber



I believe London/St.Thomas/Lambeth pick up goes directly to the landfill just outside of Hwy 4, between St. Thomas and Shedden. [/*]

Thanks for this info. That was my fear all along. I doubt they will find Abbygail's body or that they will even search for it. I feel so sorry for Abby's dad. Has anyone heard if he has commented on the latest developments?

[charlotteweb]

I Wasn't Shocked That The Mother Has Been Charged With What Happened To Little Abbygail Dice. I Was However Shocked To Learn The Mother Is 6 MONTH's PREGNANT And What Abbygails Been Missing For Just 7 Months It Didnt Take Long For Her To Make A Replacement! Im Sorry If My Child Was Missing The Last Thing On My Mind Would Be Having Sex And Getting Pregnant. I Pray That Social Services Takes Away This Child When Its Born So We Dont Have Another Abbygail On Our Hands

[lilrok]

i cannot believe shes pregnant again...
i have a feeling this is her husbands baby this time...maybe she got rid of Abby because she wasnt his?
i so agree she should lose this one to Social Services, so we dont have a repeat of poor lil Abbygail...

:flamemad:

im sick to my stomach over this news

[Sarah1228]

Media Release
May 5, 2008
Sara Whittington (nee Dice), the mother of Abbygail Dice, is to appear in St. Thomas Court for a bail hearing today.
She is charged with causing an indignity to a body contrary to section 182(*) of the Criminal Code. The investigation has revealed that Sara Whittington disposed of the body of Abbygail Dice at a place known as Hawk’s Cliff, in the municipality of Central Elgin.
This area has been searched and no remains have been found.
Any further questions or inquiries will be directed to Constable Anders Nielsen, media officer.
He can be reached from 7am – 3 pm at (519) 631-1224 ext #140.
PC A. Nielsen
Media/Crime Prevention


Poor Abbygail... not even given a chance. R>I>P> little angel

[Breazy]

So good to come on this morning and see that Sara Whittington has been arrested!! Her story never added up from the beginning. It makes me literally sick :barf: to read however, that she's pregnant. I do believe Sara was indeed responsible for Baby Abigail's death and it makes my heart ache that she could even become pregnant again. I pray for justice for Baby Abigail and that Sara will never be in the position to have custody of this new baby. I pray this new baby will grow up in a loving home with parents that cherish it.

:rose: Rest in Peace, Sweet Baby Abigail!!

[n/t]

Unbelievable! They better take that new baby away from her when she/he is born!! :flamemad:

RIP Abby. So sorry the woman who was supposed to love and protect you did this to you. :rose:

[Sarah1228]

http://www.stps.on.ca/docs/2008%20WHITTINGTON-DICE/DICE4%20-%2005May08.pdf


Sara Whittington has been released on bail and there is now a court ordered publication ban in effect.


According to the sister of Abbygails father, Sara admitted to throwing Abbygail off the cliff in court today. And police are trying to determine if Abbygail was alive or had passed at the time.

[lilrok]

:eek: :(

oh please God...i hope she was passd and her mother did not kill her that way...my God that womans insane ...they better take this baby from her soon as its born.....

what does the ban mean? the media cannot publish anything more now untill this case is over?

are they going to search for her now or what?how did you hear what the sister said...
sorry i always have more questions

jess

[Sarah1228]

Originally posted by lilrok
:eek: :(

oh please God...i hope she was passd and her mother did not kill her that way...my God that womans insane ...they better take this baby from her soon as its born.....

what does the ban mean? the media cannot publish anything more now untill this case is over?

are they going to search for her now or what?how did you hear what the sister said...
sorry i always have more questions

jess [/*]

Hi Jess,

The police have yet to determine if Abbygail was alive or passed when her mother threw her off the cliff, their was abby's blood which came back with the forensics collected from within the apartment. The media ban was put in place so that nothing about the case can be published in the media. They have searched for Abbygail's body at hawks cliff but because it's a drop into water and it's been 7 almost eight months I don't think they will find anything. I mean it's not called Hawks cliff for no reason, their are a ton of Hawks their, people go there for sighseeing. The Aunt to Abbygail is in the Baby ABBYGAIL facebook group along with Abbygails father Chris, so they and another active supporter who actually attending court today have been posting details of what is going on.

[MsRyber]

How the *&$% did she get BAIL?

Of course, infanticide in Canada gets the perp no more than a slap on the wrist and 18 months in jail.

[n/t]

Originally posted by Sarah1228


Hi Jess,

The police have yet to determine if Abbygail was alive or passed when her mother threw her off the cliff, their was abby's blood which came back with the forensics collected from within the apartment. The media ban was put in place so that nothing about the case can be published in the media. They have searched for Abbygail's body at hawks cliff but because it's a drop into water and it's been 7 almost eight months I don't think they will find anything. I mean it's not called Hawks cliff for no reason, their are a ton of Hawks their, people go there for sighseeing. The Aunt to Abbygail is in the Baby ABBYGAIL facebook group along with Abbygails father Chris, so they and another active supporter who actually attending court today have been posting details of what is going on. [/*]

Hi Sarah,

Can you please post the link to the facebook? TIA!

[txfemale45]

They need to change the law in Canada...... I don't care how old the person is you murder

[Zaun]

Originally posted by MsRyber
How the *&$% did she get BAIL?

Of course, infanticide in Canada gets the perp no more than a slap on the wrist and 18 months in jail. [/*]

The " Justice" system takes it easier on women than if a guy did it. IMO

[Amy]

Originally posted by Breazy
So good to come on this morning and see that Sara Whittington has been arrested!! Her story never added up from the beginning. It makes me literally sick :barf: to read however, that she's pregnant. I do believe Sara was indeed responsible for Baby Abigail's death and it makes my heart ache that she could even become pregnant again. I pray for justice for Baby Abigail and that Sara will never be in the position to have custody of this new baby. I pray this new baby will grow up in a loving home with parents that cherish it.

:rose: Rest in Peace, Sweet Baby Abigail!! [/*]

Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned Baby Grace (Riley Sawyer) who was found about the same time Abbygail disappeared. HER "mom" is also pregnant. Neither of these "moms" should ever get the priveledge to hold their upcoming newborn babies, not after murdering the ones they already had. IMO

[MaFitz]

I am very happy that Abby has an active voice on her behalf in the LE! This baby has not only been robbed of the opportunity to live in this world, but because of her monster of a mother she can not even be put to rest.

:rose: Baby Abby:rose:

[txfemale45]

Zaun

I agree... Remember the married couple that murdered the young women even her own sister and she is already out.....

Carol

[txfemale45]

Tarabul

Thanks for ruining my day (LOL) I can't believe some guy would marry her and have a child with her I guess it takes all kinds to make the world go around.....

Carol

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by tarabull
Accused in her infant's disappearance, a St. Thomas woman lashed out at police for disclosing where they believe the body was disposed of while she was in a court hearing. (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2008/05/10/5527011-sun.htm) [/*]

The link is not working. Can you summarize what was reported or perhaps find another link. The story might have been retracted because of the gag order though.

[Amy]

If she was angry, @ least she is finally showing some emotion.

[Leanne Weich]

Tara, thanks for the info. Sounds like Glover has been taking lessons from Geragos on how to bamboozle people with smoke and mirrors. JMO.

Now they are worried about the whisper campaign on the internet but they go out and have their say on what was said in Court and just get people talking more. What a pity that strangers appear more concerned as to what happened to Abby than her own mother.

[gregnlynn]

hi everyone. I have been watching this since the beginning..although I have not posted on this thread until now.

I have to say that I DO live in St Thomas and I do know her lawyer. Do I think she is guilty HELL YES! I have my own thoughts on what she did...BUT

As for Bill Glover. I will tell you...he is a family man with really good morals. NOW keep in mind...this is his JOB. If he does not defend her to the best of his ability..well she has chance to appeal based on incompentant representation.

just my two cents folks!

:beer:
Lynn

[MaFitz]

God let me please reach up there and slap this woman. She had "visions" of throwing something off of a cliff. So she went from being a confused diabetic to a psychic.

Why on earth would Abby's father make another baby with her? It can't be true because it makes no sense. A month after Abby went missing the evidence was pointing to Sara.

[n/t]

He's the father of the new baby?? :eek:

What is wrong with him? He's just as crazy as she is!! :flamemad:

[lilrok]

any new news on this case? will sara get to keep the new baby? who is she married to and who really is the father of the new baby.. anyone know these answers for sure?

jess

[Sarah1228]

Hi Lilrok,

Sara has already had the new baby and does not have her in her care. Sara is not married to anyone at this point in time. And the father of the new baby is the same man who fathered Abby. Sara will be back in court in 2 weeks time. Hopefully there will be some justice for Abby.

[lorjac]

How stupid was this guy???? I'm speechless regarding him getting her pregnant again.....

As for her.... rot! Plain & simple.

[MsRyber]

Little bit of news:

http://www.stthomastimesjournal.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1327941

Hope she is found guilty and rots in prison.
Actually this charge will net her more time upon conviction than had she just admitted killing her daughter in the first place.
And she will most likely never have custody of a child again. Thank god.

[lilrok]

thank you for answering my questions...
well i think that guy is about as dumb as a rock to be with her again..but at least now this baby is away from her..however i hope she is never allowed to be with her when she gets out of prison..and if that guy lets her ,he doesnt deserve the baby either....personally i think 5 years is nothing for what shes done...this whole case makes me sick...i will definately celebrate when this woman if finally convicted of her crime..as well as say yet another prayer for precious little Abbygail...may she rest in peace

i do however appreciate those of you who have kept us updated on this topic and answerd questions i had about it..for some reason i quit getting notices of replys to this thread in my inbox....

thanks again lilrok

[Cathy]

An indignity to a dead body could be something as simple as breaking the headstone, removing it or indeed moving, hiding or disturbing the body itself in some way. Remember: to be charged with this, you DO NOT have to actually touch the dead body.

If the man who was the father of the first baby was so in need of sex/desperate that he went with her again and now has a second one, he does not deserve to have custody of this child. The people involved in this were not of the brightest level of society to begin with. Yes, I do live in St. Thomas.

Where are her parents and what are they doing? Besides supporting a murderer that is! flamemad:

[Cathy]

I heard from a person close to her that she went out and bought high sugar foods and ate and drank them so that when her mother would eventually come over she could say she had been in a coma and didn't remember a thing. I am diabetic and know others who are also and that is just the stupidest thing to do. But, I suppose if you just killed your child it would give you time to get an alibi together.

Does anyone know what she did for a living and how far she went in school?

[MsRyber]

She won't be able to hide under the mental illness guise.
She is fit to stand trial. Hopefully Abbygail gets justice, even if it is a Canadian slap on the wrist. She won't see her new baby grow up though. That seems good enough punishment for me. 7 in the slammer, misses being with her new baby. Awww, that's toooooooo bad.

Whittington Fit (http://www.chathamdailynews.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1416594)

[Breazy]

She won't be able to hide under the mental illness guise.
She is fit to stand trial. Hopefully Abbygail gets justice, even if it is a Canadian slap on the wrist. She won't see her new baby grow up though. That seems good enough punishment for me. 7 in the slammer, misses being with her new baby. Awww, that's toooooooo bad.

Whittington Fit (http://www.chathamdailynews.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1416594)


Thank God for small justice! It won't be the justice Baby Abbygail deserves but it's better than no justice at all.

:rose: Sweet Angel Abbygail!