Michelle Young, Tues. Sept 18th [Archive] - In Session Message Boards

Hey Paula

09-18-2007, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by rstarrg
I know a little about this story and have a couple of questions and/or observations:

1) Why would a married man be so concerned about a fax that might let his wife know that he's bought her a present...1) either he wasn't - it was for someone else or 2) he wanted the body and child to be discovered before he got home

My husband is not the best "surprise" gift giver, and I don't know many men that are either, so it's hard to comprehend this guy who is speaking with another woman daily being so loving that he would first be buying a surprise gift and second that he would realize the significance of a fax coming through and being retrieved to ruin the surprise when he is all caught up in an out of town business trip. It just seems like something that would slip his mind if it were really the case.

Second, who would want to kill a woman with a two year old child in the house with such brutal force when their husband just happens to conveniently be out of town for the night?

I've always doubted JY had truly intended to buy the Coach purse for Michelle. I believe that because he showed no love or respect for Michelle when he refused to cooperate with LE's investigation into her brutal murder.

I believe the Coach purse was either a gift intended for MM, or simply the ruse part of his plan in premeditating Michelle's murder, to get Meredith to the house to discover her sister's bludgeoned body.

IMO

Booty_Boy

09-18-2007, 10:17 AM

Today would be a nice day for a arrest.
I have all reason to believe it will be soon:D

Hey Paula

09-18-2007, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

In actuality ,we don't even know if it was a coach purse. LE has never released the information on the print out.That is just a rumor like a lot of other things on here. IMO

That's true, Willow.

However, it does seem logical though when contemplating why JY would rationalize calling Meredith to retrieve a document from his printer when Michelle could have accommodated such a request. But, saying it was a photo/details of a surprise Coach purse he intended to buy for Michelle, would have generated a positive response from Meredith to comply with JY's request.

IMO

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

uhhhhhhhhhhh.........yeah.

Anyway.........

I was interested to know what she meant by the comment she posted yesterday about "something happening" today.

It wouldn't be the first time someone predicted something here that didn't happen, now , would it?

Wasn't there supposed to be an arrest by March 31st, over 5 months ago.?

And, my prediction for last nite..:(

Things could be happening in the case that we don't know about, at least, I hope so......

It is my opinion the case went another way and cleared Jason months and months ago....

JMO

Kat

Hey Paula

09-18-2007, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

You are only believing what you want to believe. JY could have said he had tried to reach Michelle to fax him the printout. It could have been something work related.Different people have built a story to fit what they think happened that day,without any evidence of what actually happened. It has even been told and retold that he called MF at 7:30 AM in actuality we don't know when he called her. It could have been 1:00 in the afternoon. She could have gone straight there .The truth of the matter very few facts are known about this case. IMO

Personally, I don't view the content of the document as being a crucial element in this case. It is the coincidence of the document itself, being the instrument which got Meredith to the house to discover her sisters bludgeoned corpse, which is at issue.

IMO

Hey Paula

09-18-2007, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

I think thats what most think. It was too much of a coincidence. Did Jayson have any other family in the area? I thought he had a sister who was relatively close?

I don't know anyone in either of the families personally, but I'd read on this board, that JY's older sister lived approximately 50 miles away from Michelle and her brother.

IMO

jammies

09-18-2007, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

Its possible. Didn't she post on here a lot in the beginning? Giving out all kinds of details about what doors the Young's didn't lock, etc.......?

It was so long ago. I wonder if any of those posts are still around?

Yep, she sure knew all the "details". funny that.

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by scout

What's this? Kat disparaging Fireflies' credibility? Is there trouble in paradise?

Has anything posted here been proven to be true, yet?

I didn't think so......

I guess we just have to wait and see who really had the inside info...and, the day is not over...

:)

JMO
Kat

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

How did you twist her post around to said she was disparaging FF? She also said her prediction didn't happen either.Look around this isn't paradise ,a young mother was murdered,that would never happen in paradise. IMO

Hi Willow.....!!!!!!!

It is in good intentions to keep the Board open, just in case one of those predictions come through.

No one 's story has changed more then the sister who stumbled onto the body and did not even know what she was seeing.

The 911 call alone did not match up with anything at the scene, or the description that the arriving officers gave to what they saw, or veteran officers who said , once again, the bloodiest and most gruesome murder in 20+ years....

Makes one wonder why how anyone could not have known something "bad happened".....or would suggest a "fall" to a child.

Hope we get anwers to those questions some day..maybe sooner than later...
JMO
Kat

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
We were posting the same thoughts at the same time.

....and besides, "we" gave OTB the courtesy of waiting until midnite, and then another extension when they needed more time...

However, after 5 months I think it would be safe to file that prediction elsewhere.

L E has not led us to believe anything different....the Reward Poster showed me there may be some confusion as to where they actually are.

Asking for help at such a late date could mean they have come up empty or at least need something more than what they have after almost 11 months.

JMO
Kat

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Does anyone know if the GJ meets today?

Not sure, maybe they are waiting for that Roxboro tip.
:)
JMO
Kat

5swab5

09-18-2007, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by jammies

Yep, she sure knew all the "details". funny that.

Hi Jammies,

Not only that, but defensive right out of the chute. She couldn't make up enough ideas to point away from her only brother.

IMO

Swabby

JHP

09-18-2007, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE
Does anyone know if the GJ meets today? According to a banned poster it does. And I believe it was said Meredith was going to be speaking. But thats probably why that poster was banned. They wanted to go to the courtroom so they could report back at a later time. JMO

MadamLurkalot

09-18-2007, 03:15 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[B]
(snipped)
Makes one wonder why how anyone could not have known something "bad happened".....or would suggest a "fall" to a child.

GMAB.
She was in the presence of a small child. What would you have her say in front of and to her? Honey, did someone come in and beat mom's head in?
JMO, but I would think she asked Cassidy if mommy fell to ascertain what she might actually have seen.

JHP

09-18-2007, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by MadamLurkalot
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[B]
(snipped)
Makes one wonder why how anyone could not have known something "bad happened".....or would suggest a "fall" to a child.

GMAB.
She was in the presence of a small child. What would you have her say in front of and to her? Honey, did someone come in and beat mom's head in?
JMO, but I would think she asked Cassidy if mommy fell to ascertain what she might actually have seen. I think you are absolutly right! Perhaps some have not dealt with small children. I think Meredith dealt with the situation extremly well under the circumstances. JMO

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by scout

Kat, are you suggesting that if Mimi was predicting a presentation of this case to the Grand Jury today, she doesn't know what she's talking about?

ETA: Pardon me. I meant Fireflies, not Mimi. I'm very confused.

I believe everything that is posted here by anyone who posts it, don't you?

That is why I am still waiting on that theft charge arrest, the drowning attempt, the Jason sighting in Roxboro, among others.

You are not saying those things are not true , are you?
I would be crushed.

JMO
Kat

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by TMcgraw

Why are you still so obsessed with those posts? Did that bring attention to you to? Were you that poster?

I believe OTB stated they worked in sales with Jason in the Carolinas....and had inside information that an arrest was imminent.

Unlike me, who has no connection to the case at all, and has never said or pretended otherwise.

Hope this helps to unconfuse you about identities and credibilities of posters.
:)
JMO
Kat

MadamLurkalot

09-18-2007, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by JHP
I think you are absolutly right! Perhaps some have not dealt with small children. I think Meredith dealt with the situation extremly well under the circumstances. JMO

I think she did extremely well, too. She sounded on the verge of hysteria to me, and each time, dealing with Cassidy seemed to pull her back from the edge.

I really, really am not getting why all this suspicion thrown at Meridith by certain parties.

MadamLurkalot

09-18-2007, 03:29 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[B]

(snipped)
That is why I am still waiting
(snipped)

lol

jammies

09-18-2007, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

Hi Jammies,

Not only that, but defensive right out of the chute. She couldn't make up enough ideas to point away from her only brother.

IMO

Swabby

Desperation. Poor thing. :(

heathen

09-18-2007, 03:35 PM

heathen

09-18-2007, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by JHP
According to a banned poster it does. And I believe it was said Meredith was going to be speaking. But thats probably why that poster was banned. They wanted to go to the courtroom so they could report back at a later time. JMO

And here I thought GJ's were conducted out of the view of the general public! Wasn't the banned poster one who wore many hats, including a degree in leaves, law and loitering? Enquiring minds...

MadamLurkalot

09-18-2007, 03:37 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trinity
[B]

These posters who imply that Meredith "sounds" guilty, never stop to consider the obvious.

A child was standing next to her. I bet Meredith wanted to scream, to tell the 911 operator that the scene was horrible, but instead, in the presence of little "C", she said "the place doesn't look like it normally does".
(snipped)

Exactly, exactly, exactly!

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

These posters who imply that Meredith "sounds" guilty, never stop to consider the obvious.

A child was standing next to her. I bet Meredith wanted to scream, to tell the 911 operator that the scene was horrible, but instead, in the presence of little "C", she said "the place doesn't look like it normally does".

I would be very willing to bet that these posters don't have or don't remember what it was like to have a child that age.

Hey, I am glad the 911 call works for you.

It doesn't work for me though, or answer why Jason's little daughter does not seem to be hungry or that she has spent all that time "alone" and is applying bandaids that were never found on Michelle in any kind of report.

Can a 2 year old even open a band~aid wrapper on her own?
Hmm.
JMO
Kat

jammies

09-18-2007, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Hey, I am glad the 911 call works for you.

It doesn't work for me though, or answer why Jason's little daughter does not seem to be hungry or that she has spent all that time "alone" and is applying bandaids that were never found on Michelle in any kind of report.

Can a 2 year old even open a band~aid wrapper on her own?
Hmm.
JMO
Kat

Band aids don't have a child proof cap, Kat.

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by scout

I'm not naive enough to believe everything that is posted here. I have a pretty good instinct for truth. I'm not in a position to confirm or deny any of the things you've asked about in the above quoted post.

I guess that is why I will continue to just wait, although it sure is a good thing L E took the drowning attempt seriously, and seized Jason's boat into protective custody for the trial, so that it will be in evidence for the Jury.

What an impact that boat will have...

They did do that, right?

Whew, I thought they may have overlooked it or dismissed it as a rumor.

JMO
Kat

MadamLurkalot

09-18-2007, 03:51 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[B]

It doesn't work for me though, or answer why Jason's little daughter does not seem to be hungry or that she has spent all that time "alone" and is applying bandaids that were never found on Michelle in any kind of report.

Can a 2 year old even open a band~aid wrapper on her own?
Hmm.
JMO
(has been snipped)

Do you have children?
My own, as well as my grandson were quite capable of helping themselves to a snack. Children love being independent like that, I've found. Some of Cassidy's chatter could very well have been talking about either being hungry or feeding herself. Most of what she said is hard to understand imo.
And, opening a bandaid? phhht! maybe not the covers on the sticky part, but yeah, no problem opening them.

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 03:55 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

In my experience, yes, a 2 year old can open a band-aid. They love band-aids.

Didn't Jason's sister post here somewhere that she was eating jellybeans? How did she know that?

She told her?

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 03:56 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jammies

Band aids don't have a child proof cap, Kat. [/
QUOTE]

Good, then they were also labeled and bagged into evidence.

Thank you, I wasn't sure until now.

JMO
Kat

Surfside6

09-18-2007, 04:03 PM

"hungry" to tell auntie and all who would listen that her
daddy killed her mommy.

imo

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

So, "C" didn't seem to be hungry?

You got that from the 911 call?

If a child had not been fed until the previous evening before she went to bed, wouldn't such child even at a early age, ask to be fed or express the desire for some food.

Wasn't it posted Jason's daughter went to bed after Michelle gave her a bath, somewhere around 8-8:30 pm? The GA show aired at 9 PM, and the GA friend left shortly afterwards at 10:30 PM..

Jump in and correct me if I am wrong about any of these details.

So, until the time of the 911 call , that would mean Jason's daughter had not eaten for over 14 and a half hours, correct?

Maybe almost 15??
Yet, never voiced or asked to be fed on that tape.
She only asked for a washcloth.
Hmmmmmmmmm.

JMO
Kat

Surfside6

09-18-2007, 04:18 PM

:rose: Justice for Michelle

we just lost another advocate for her and her family:mad:

Surfside6

09-18-2007, 04:24 PM

Toddler And Terror

As Michelle's sister entered the house, she found a gruesome scene.

Michelle and Jason's daughter was running around the house unsupervised, and Michelle herself was dead on the floor of the master bedroom. There was also blood spatter on the walls and on a lamp. However, investigators say there was no sign of forced entry into the home.

Investigators: What Next?

The Wake County Sheriff's office says they have tried to interview Jason Young on a number of occasions, but he's been uncooperative.:flamemad:

No one has been charged in this murder, and the investigation is still ongoing.

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=42477

JHP

09-18-2007, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

JHP ,

I don't remember reading that . I thought it was a vague statement alluding to something happening soon . How did I miss that ?

TIA Aggie Hi Aggie, I am pretty sure I read that last night. There were several postings about something happening today. But I don't think anything has happened yet? Does anyone know?

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by rstarrg

I'm sure you can understand that it's hard to buy the theory that her sister would do this when you rarely, and I'm trying to think, if ever, hear about that type of crime...sister bludgeons sister to death...just doesn't happen...

But you do hear just about everyday a story of another woman murdered by her husband.

BTW, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I've given it some thought and just haven't been able to come up with one case where a sister bludgeoned another sister to death.

Family members are killing family members and none of it makes sense. I just heard about one where teenager slaughtered her mother and little sis then took off with boyfriend.

Surfside6

09-18-2007, 04:39 PM

it's possible that someone was subpoenaed by the Grand Jury and leaked that secret info to the banned contrarian who cryptically posted it last night.

imo

alter ego

09-18-2007, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

It has never been reported ANYWHERE that Meredith "refused to speak with LE" but has been repeated over and over that Jason has refused.

It would seem that most people would find his lack of cooperation odd when he may offer insight into the murderer. And, if Meredith had anything to do with it, as some here are so convinced, why hasn't Jason met with LE to discuss that? If he is such a great guy is he not worried about a murder on the loose?
How in the world could Jason offer 'insight' into the murderer? And why would Jason meet w/LE to discuss the Only Sister?

It's not Jason's job to solve the case, it's LE's job. Which, btw, they have failed to do so far.

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 04:43 PM

jury unable to reach a verdict.

Surfside6

09-18-2007, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

If Jason knows who the killer is or could be, he needs to pass that info on to LE.

but then he'll get in trouble...:shrug:

imo

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
jury unable to reach a verdict.

I know one of our best posters here, Regina, is following this case.
Now, the Judge may present a manslaughter charge to the Jury.

Strange....5 month trial too.

JMO
Kat

JHP

09-18-2007, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Surfside6

but then he'll get in trouble...:shrug:

imo Surfside 6 I had wanted to ask you a question a few weeks ago will you be here for a few more minutes?

alter ego

09-18-2007, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

These posters who imply that Meredith "sounds" guilty, never stop to consider the obvious.

A child was standing next to her. I bet Meredith wanted to scream, to tell the 911 operator that the scene was horrible, but instead, in the presence of little "C", she said "the place doesn't look like it normally does".

I would be very willing to bet that these posters don't have or don't remember what it was like to have a child that age.
Oh, and where was Michelle's daughter when her Only Sister told the 911 operator that she thought her sister was dead and describing bloody footprints all over the house?

Why she was RIGHT THERE - you can hear her chattering in the background!

Consider the obvious. Yeah, how about the OBVIOUS oddness of the entire call.

alter ego

09-18-2007, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

If Jason knows who the killer is or could be, he needs to pass that info on to LE.

Why, can't they figure it out on their own? :shrug:

alter ego

09-18-2007, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
jury unable to reach a verdict.
Guess the DA should have waited for more evidence so they could prove the case BARD :shrug:

WonderingInSC

09-18-2007, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

snipped

It's not Jason's job to solve the case, it's LE's job. Which, btw, they have failed to do so far.

Many times this has been discussed as to how JY could have helped the LE with the case. Not in telling them what he "thinks" might have happened but to let them know issues that they have had to interview hundreds of other people to find out. I am sure they needed to know if she had any enemies or problems at work. Whether or not she sleeps in a hoody usually... lights on, lights off... and much more he could have helped them understand. There is a statement in one of the articles on WRAL where the LE said if he had cooperated it would help solve the case.
See quote:

quote
Young talked with investigators the day his wife's body was found and later gave fingerprints under a court order, but Harrison said he has generally been uncooperative with law-enforcement authorities.

"Why hasn't he talked to us? I can't give you that answer, because he won't talk to us," Harrison said. "If he talked to us, would it help this case? Absolutely." quote
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1377240/

Surfside6

09-18-2007, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by JHP
Surfside 6 I had wanted to ask you a question a few weeks ago will you be here for a few more minutes?

yes

alter ego

09-18-2007, 05:08 PM

alter ego

09-18-2007, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by TimMcGraw

I sure am glad that's what they are doing with this case.
They haven't even SOLVED this case yet. Maybe they should work on that.

JHP

09-18-2007, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Surfside6

yes Surfside 6, You seem to be very knowledgeable about this case. Do you have any idea if Cassidy went on the California trip? Thank you. :seeya:

alter ego

09-18-2007, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by WonderingInSC

Many times this has been discussed as to how JY could have helped the LE with the case. Not in telling them what he "thinks" might have happened but to let them know issues that they have had to interview hundreds of other people to find out. I am sure they needed to know if she had any enemies or problems at work. Whether or not she sleeps in a hoody usually... lights on, lights off... and much more he could have helped them understand. There is a statement in one of the articles on WRAL where the LE said if he had cooperated it would help solve the case.
See quote:

quote
Young talked with investigators the day his wife's body was found and later gave fingerprints under a court order, but Harrison said he has generally been uncooperative with law-enforcement authorities.

"Why hasn't he talked to us? I can't give you that answer, because he won't talk to us," Harrison said. "If he talked to us, would it help this case? Absolutely." quote
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1377240/

And he also said his failure to talk to them slowed them down but didn't stop them.

What difference does it make if Michelle slept in a hoodie or not? Her attire at the time of the murder isn't proof of her being asleep or not at the time the attack started.

LE would have gotten more valuable info from the GA friends than from Jason. After all, they were the last known persons to see Michelle alive and knew what lights were on and what she was wearing.

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

They haven't even SOLVED this case yet. Maybe they should work on that.

So true.....
.Can you imagine with all the evidence in that case they could not get a GUILTY verdict, there goes that slam dunk.
It wasn't even close...a 7-5 split.

K, back on topic.

Thank you, Coldwater for the notice that CTV would bring that update at 4:30 pm.

:)
JMO
Kat

Surfside6

09-18-2007, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by JHP
Surfside 6, You seem to be very knowledgeable about this case. Do you have any idea if Cassidy went on the California trip? Thank you. :seeya:

i don't think that she did, but i'm not totally sure.
i'll ask around. i was told that the trip was to LA.

imo

alter ego

09-18-2007, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by rstarrg

Yes, I'm sure it has happened, but I was wanting to know if there had ever been one that anyone on here could name. Since I am discussing the case with people who obviously follow these types of things, I thought someone might be able to name one, you know, just one. I think you have answered the question.

Patricia Bailey killed her sister so she could marry her BIL.

WonderingInSC

09-18-2007, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

And he also said his failure to talk to them slowed them down but didn't stop them.

What difference does it make if Michelle slept in a hoodie or not? Her attire at the time of the murder isn't proof of her being asleep or not at the time the attack started.

LE would have gotten more valuable info from the GA friends than from Jason. After all, they were the last known persons to see Michelle alive and knew what lights were on and what she was wearing.

I was giving hypothetical questions of many they would ask to the husband who knows her lifestyle, her way of spending evenings before she went to bed, whether they left their doors open, windows, etc.. He spent every night with her except while separate for business, trips, etc.
There has not been any questions about the GA friend in the media. It seems that everyone else talks to the LE to help... but her "loving" husband refuses... that is one of my red flags that he did it... yes, I know, ReedJ, that it was his right not to speak... no need to repeat that again.

Anyone would help the LE to speed up the investigation.Well, anyone in their right mind. JMO

Surfside6

09-18-2007, 05:23 PM

meredith saw how shabbily jason treated michelle.
why would meredith want jason to herself?

imo :rolleyes:

JHP

09-18-2007, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Surfside6

i don't think that she did, but i'm not totally sure.
i'll ask around.

imo Thank you, I have some thoughts about who could have helped Jason and why? What their motives might have been. But I'll have to post that later.

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Patricia Bailey killed her sister so she could marry her BIL.

I never can remember their last name, but it was the case from Canada, first name Carla, she killed her sister...with her husband.

I think she just got parole too.

JMO
Kat

alter ego

09-18-2007, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

Why wouldn't he want to help them capture his wifes murderer?:shrug:
Nothing he can do to 'help' them. They enlisted the help of the NCBI, did they not? Ya think Jason is better at evaluating FE than they are? Seriously?

alter ego

09-18-2007, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

Yes, I have asked on this board, 2 times in fact, for a link to all these sister on sister murders some have alluded too many times over.

You know I have never gotten any kind of an answer from anyone here. Never. Ever.

Wonder why?:confused:
Not true. I know for a fact 3 cases were linked in the past. And I just cited yet another one.....

:read:

alter ego

09-18-2007, 05:33 PM

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

If Jason knows who the killer is or could be, he needs to pass that info on to LE.

Or, if Jason had ran into the killer at a gas station in Roxboro.
That would be a big tip.
JMO
Kat

midge1021

09-18-2007, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I never can remember their last name, but it was the case from Canada, first name Carla, she killed her sister...with her husband.

I think she just got parole too.

JMO
Kat

Her name is Karla Homolka and I think she had a baby recently. She's still living in Canada, I think. It's really a sick story, I think.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/homolka_jump_page.html

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by rstarrg

Right, I can name several cases where children have killed their parents. What I was trying to do is think of any cases where one sister bludgeoned another sister to death....

There have been quite a few cases where children have murdered their siblings. I don't recall paying attention to how it was done. A really old one is Carol Fugate. A few weeks ago, Nancy Grace covered one in Wyoming (i think.) Teenager and her boyfriend murdered little sis and mom. CTV ran a story or two about the boy in Iowa who murdered his entire family. Family violence seems to be escalating in my opinion.

tiny paw-prints

09-18-2007, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Surfside6
Toddler And Terror

As Michelle's sister entered the house, she found a gruesome scene.

Michelle and Jason's daughter was running around the house unsupervised, and Michelle herself was dead on the floor of the master bedroom. There was also blood spatter on the walls and on a lamp. However, investigators say there was no sign of forced entry into the home.

(snipped)

What an ugly and terrorizing scene for an innocent toddler.

I don't think the little girl would have an appetite or be hungry.

She asked for a washcloth, not a sandwich.

alter ego

09-18-2007, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by WonderingInSC

I was giving hypothetical questions of many they would ask to the husband who knows her lifestyle, her way of spending evenings before she went to bed, whether they left their doors open, windows, etc.. He spent every night with her except while separate for business, trips, etc.
There has not been any questions about the GA friend in the media. It seems that everyone else talks to the LE to help... but her "loving" husband refuses... that is one of my red flags that he did it... yes, I know, ReedJ, that it was his right not to speak... no need to repeat that again.

Anyone would help the LE to speed up the investigation.Well, anyone in their right mind. JMO

Well gosh, if they really need that info, all they gotta do is tell Jason's atty what the info they need is. Why haven't they done that?

Oh but he DID talk to them. Unfortunately they took an approach that was counterproductive.

Jason's talking to them or not will not make test results come back any faster or match the DNA and prints found at the crime scene and autopsy any faster.

Harrison said they got LOTS of evidence from the crime scene - no reason they need Jason to tell them anything at all. :shrug:

alter ego

09-18-2007, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Or, if Jason had ran into the killer at a gas station in Roxboro.
That would be a big tip.
JMO
Kat That wouldn't be big, that would be HUGE!

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I never can remember their last name, but it was the case from Canada, first name Carla, she killed her sister...with her husband.

I think she just got parole too.

JMO
Kat

Yep. Right in my home Province of Ontario her last name( Holmolka). She went with the " abuse" excuse and LE went after the man instead. She got a sweet deal because they made a deal with her before they found the videotapes . JMO

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by midge1021

Her name is Karla Homolka and I think she had a baby recently. She's still living in Canada, I think. It's really a sick story, I think.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/bernardo/homolka_jump_page.html

Thank you, very sick case, and just recently in the tabloids when she made parole.

So, there is sister versus sister.....

Overachiever versus underachiever.

Sad.

JMO
Kat

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

Oh she told her? Well, did she also tell her that, " Daddy did it."?

Pure fantasy . IMO.

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

Oh she told her? Well, did she also tell her that, " Daddy did it."?

All the audio and written transcripts never have those 3 little words in them,..never.

Do you think L E heard them though, but just decided not to arrest him?

Or better yet, just continue to let his daughter to live with him, after knowing she said them?

Because that would sure guarantee her safety.

I always thought when the only sister asked Jason's daughter what happened, she was playing with loaded dice.

JMO
Kat

tiny paw-prints

09-18-2007, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

Oh she told her? Well, did she also tell her that, " Daddy did it."?

When her daddy is arrested, I wonder who is going to tell her?

I wonder if they will tell her "why" he was arrested?

alter ego

09-18-2007, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by rstarrg

Yes, that is her and she did in fact participate in the murder of her sister, along with her husband. She actually died of a drug overdose that was fed to her in a drink. I was more looking for a surprise, random act of bludgeoning one's sister to death, but we'll count it anyway. So, the total is now at a whopping 4....not enough to convince me it is typical and the norm, unlike a husband murdering his wife, especially when there are weird circumstances surrounding the event. MOO
Well fortunately statistics of 'who done it' aren't evidence of guilt or innocence.

Fact is, sisters have and do kill their sisters. Doesn't matter how often it occurs or not, fact is, it does.

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

When her daddy is arrested, I wonder who is going to tell her?

I wonder if they will tell her "why" he was arrested?

They will probably tell her that the Daddy is arrested because he's married to Mommy BUT once the DA can't make a case he will be home very soon. IMO

Hey Paula

09-18-2007, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

Oh she told her? Well, did she also tell her that, " Daddy did it."?

I still think what Cassidy perhaps told LE might be the reason why LE suspected JY (in addition to calling Meredith to retrieve the document) from the outset, just as LE suspected Bobby Cutts of murdering his pregnant g/f, Jessie Davis, because of what their toddler son, Blake, told LE.

IMO

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

Pure fantasy . IMO.

Fantasy will not get you an arrest or a conviction.

But, it does make things interesting.

JMO
Kat
Could someone please clear out their PM's?
Thank you, there is breath taking news,although nothing is breaking.

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

I still think what Cassidy perhaps told LE might be the reason why LE suspected JY (in addition to calling Meredith to retrieve the document) from the outset, just as LE suspected Bobby Cutts of murdering his pregnant g/f, Jessie Davis, because of what their toddler son, Blake, told LE.

IMO

LMAO. Not likely. IMO

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

Oh she told her? Well, did she also tell her that, " Daddy did it."?

Huh? Whether it be Daddy did it or I ate jelly beans, the child sounded articulate to me.

tiny paw-prints

09-18-2007, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by Surfside6
it's possible that someone was subpoenaed by the Grand Jury and leaked that secret info to the banned contrarian who cryptically posted it last night.

imo

"...leaked that secret info..."

Would that be something like;

"I have good reason to believe"?

I'm still curious to know how someone would have good reason to believe that Michelle was on the computer After midnight.

Shrug.

eta: Because that leaked info puts it WITHIN the TOD!

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

They will probably tell her that the Daddy is arrested because he's married to Mommy BUT once the DA can't make a case he will be home very soon. IMO

Ummmmmmmmmmmm, I am pretty sure Daddy is not going to be arrested or going anywhere....unless they go to Disney again.

Just hold on....!!!!
News may be coming.
:)

JMO
Kat

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Ummmmmmmmmmmm, I am pretty sure Daddy is not going to be arrested or going anywhere....unless they go to Disney again.

Just hold on....!!!!
News may be coming.
:)

JMO
Kat

I didn't know he went to Disney. Good for him and his daughter.

JUSTICE. :) IMO

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

He may know something LE doesn't. Why is that such a stretch to believe?

He was out of town. IMO

alter ego

09-18-2007, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

All the audio and written transcripts never have those 3 little words in them,..never.

Do you think L E heard them though, but just decided not to arrest him?

Or better yet, just continue to let his daughter to live with him, after knowing she said them?

Because that would sure guarantee her safety.

I always thought when the only sister asked Jason's daughter what happened, she was playing with loaded dice.

JMO
Kat

Of course no transcripts or audio has those 3 words cuz they simply don't exist.

But some keep repeating it as 'fact' as if their insistence alone will make it so. I think the sames ones who heard those 3 non exitent words also heard Steve Money utter words he never said about forgiveness and not divorcing his wife cuz of finances.

Odd that.

WonderingInSC

09-18-2007, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Well gosh, if they really need that info, all they gotta do is tell Jason's atty what the info they need is. Why haven't they done that?

Oh but he DID talk to them. Unfortunately they took an approach that was counterproductive.

Jason's talking to them or not will not make test results come back any faster or match the DNA and prints found at the crime scene and autopsy any faster.

Harrison said they got LOTS of evidence from the crime scene - no reason they need Jason to tell them anything at all. :shrug:

If they had spoken to the atty, and he found out the answers, they would have stated that to the press. Who are you to judge what was counterproductive?
Ok, then his quote that I just stated was not what you thought he meant...
Take his word for what he said.. it could have helped....
buh bye all.

alter ego

09-18-2007, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

He may know something LE doesn't. Why is that such a stretch to believe?

Because there is nothing he can tell them that they don't already know.

Unless they are inept.

alter ego

09-18-2007, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by WonderingInSC

If they had spoken to the atty, and he found out the answers, they would have stated that to the press. Who are you to judge what was counterproductive?
Ok, then his quote that I just stated was not what you thought he meant...
Take his word for what he said.. it could have helped....
buh bye all.
But they obviously didn't ask the atty to ask his client those questions or they would have said so.

I ddn't judge, I concluded.

Oh, I know what he meant, he was very clear that Jason not talking to them didn't stop them. If they need Jason's help to solve the case then they should consider a new profession. Maybe that's why they have so many unsolved cases, they want a family member of the victim to solve it for them :shrug:

alter ego

09-18-2007, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

He was out of town. IMO Yeah, how is Jason supposed to know what Michelle did on a night he wasn't there? Did they think she was supposed to tell him what she was wearing to bed and what lights she was going to leave on when Jason called her at 23:00?

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

"...leaked that secret info..."

Would that be something like;

"I have good reason to believe"?

I'm still curious to know how someone would have good reason to believe that Michelle was on the computer After midnight.

Shrug.

eta: Because that leaked info puts it WITHIN the TOD!

Since the window on the time of death is 6 hours, how would that narrow it down?
Thanx.
Kat

tiny paw-prints

09-18-2007, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Since the window on the time of death is 6 hours, how would that narrow it down?
Thanx.
Kat

Since you recently posted that you believe everything that is posted here, have you read any other inside info that falls within the TOD?

"...how would that narrow it down?"

I didn't say or imply that the "good reason to believe" info narrows it down! It's just odd that there's been no other insider info that falls within the TOD. IMO.

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Huh? Whether it be Daddy did it or I ate jelly beans, the child sounded articulate to me.

And now it appears, I missed this on the tape.!!

Someone was just kind enough to point out to me, seems that Jason's daughter uses the word "member" as in "remember" on the tape?

What was it she was was supposed to remember when her aunt asked her questions....?

I know there has to be a reason why Michelle's sister needed to get Jason's daughter on that tape, instead of getting her safely out of the house.

JMO
Kat

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

No. What I mean is what if she had a stalker and he knew about it, or what if the theory about Meredith is true, JY would know that. Wouldn't that help LE?

If JY told LE she had a " stalker" they would call him a liar and rip him in the media. I think JY would find a way to tip police off if that was the case. IMO. I'm also sure MY would've mentioned that to her mom or something while Yacking on the phone. jmo

alter ego

09-18-2007, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

No. What I mean is what if she had a stalker and he knew about it, or what if the theory about Meredith is true, JY would know that. Wouldn't that help LE? No, if they are doing a complete investigation, they would know those things.

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

I don't think the Fishers want Jason telling anybody the things he knows about them.I think that would be a whole nother can of beans. IMO

Interesting. IMO

tiny paw-prints

09-18-2007, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

And now it appears, I missed this on the tape.!!

Someone was just kind enough to point out to me, seems that Jason's daughter uses the word "member" as in "remember" on the tape?

What was it she was was supposed to remember when her aunt asked her questions....?

I know there has to be a reason why Michelle's sister needed to get Jason's daughter on that tape, instead of getting her safely out of the house.

JMO
Kat

Meredith doesn't appear to be the type of personality that freaks out and screams during an emergency situation.

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by rstarrg

You are absolutely right; however, probability and statistics give very good indication for a lot of things, not just crime. I'm not saying, but I'm just saying...

It's the old chicken and egg theory. JMO

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Meredith doesn't appear to be the type of personality that freaks out and screams during an emergency situation.

Expalins the flat 911 call. I can't imagine the heat if JY makes that same flat call...he likely gets labelled a " sociopath" or something similar.:rolleyes: IMO

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by Deanna55
Hi all, haven't been on in awhile, but still reading as often as possible. Isn't it a little far-fetched to still be calling Meredith a suspect in this horrible murder, when if you think it thru (Kat) there are several strong points that say otherwise. For instance, if Meredith actually was the perp, Michelle and she would have had quite a fight IMO, Meredith would be covered in bruises, scratches, etc., and those marks would have been very obvious to LE since they interviewed her such a short time after murder. Also, when JY called her and left message for her to pick up document at his home, if she indeed had committed this crime, she would not have waited until 1:30 p.m. to go there, she would have been glad of a reason to go right away and rescue Cassidy, and IMO would have answered his call immediately and done the "favor" much earlier. IMO the people on this board who constantly question the 911 call made by Meredith have no clue how anyone, including theirselves, would react to such a scene, and no one can foresee how they would sound, communicate with emergency techs, or what they would do upon finding Michelle and Cassidy in that house. To keep saying she did this wrong, she didn't do this, she sounds dazed, etc....is not only redundant, it is all-assuming and IMO plain vindictive to tear her apart for her demeanor on that call. We don't even know the girl, for Gods sake, how can you judge her actions and emotional level, since you have nothing to weigh it against ? Give it up once and for all, it's more than infuriating, it is inhumane in light of what she has gone thru. IMO
To everyone else, hi you guys !!, so glad you all have hung in thru thick and thin on this board.. Where's Springflowers and CanadianGirl ????
Justice for Michelle and babies :rose:

I'm curious why it's okay for you to assume that Meredith would have noticeable injuries but that it is not okay for others to voice opinions about that 911 call. Isn't the purpose of this forum is to discuss these mysteries? I think that 911 call was funky and it's just my opinion.

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by Deanna55

More likely he'd be labelled a "mute" since he doesn't speak .....
he'd have to have his mommy do it for him IMO

You would love for him to give up his rights I'm sure. Probably love to see the man railroaded....too bad so sad for you. I bet Mere has mommy do alot for her. JMO

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 07:01 PM

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

Its impossible to discuss this rationally when everything posted is misrepresented.

They just like to go after JY. IMO

tiny paw-prints

09-18-2007, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

Expalins the flat 911 call. I can't imagine the heat if JY makes that same flat call...he likely gets labelled a " sociopath" or something similar.:rolleyes: IMO

If you had a degree in psychology, you might better understand the basic behaviors of the "average" person.

IIRC, you've previously opined that anyone who seeks therapy is considered to be a "weak" person? You probably have the same opinion for anyone that obtains a degree in psychology, right?

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Deanna55

No Reed, I would love for him to be interviewed by LE, and answer all their questions, and more than anything I'd love for him to be CLEARED...

No one "wants" the husband and father to be the murderer, are you insane ? If you want the husband "railroaded" then you would also want the "real" killer to be loose on the streets, and sorry thats just not the way I feel, and I doubt anyone on this board wants that. Very complex, the way your mind works, kinda skeery too ~~

It's ridiculous to expect him to go in for interrogations where LE wants to nail him for this crime. It would be just plain stupid to go for that bait , If you actually think that LE motives are to clear up some questions and not nail him on their turf you are very naive . IMO. No man should ever ever put himslef in that position and if LE and the DA thinks he did it than they should have the integrity to give him a fair trial where he can have a legal team on his side and rules followed because there is a judge. In interrogations there is NO JUDGE. JMO

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

If you had a degree in psychology, you might better understand the basic behaviors of the "average" person.

IIRC, you've previously opined that anyone who seeks therapy is considered to be a "weak" person? You probably have the same opinion for anyone that obtains a degree in psychology, right?

I'm sure you and your degree can conclude Jason bad all others victims. jmo

Dida

09-18-2007, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

Frustrating isn't it? The obvious seems to be overlooked here, if you look at JY you are trying to "railroad" him.

:shrug:

You catch on quickly, imo. :)

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

Frustrating isn't it? The obvious seems to be overlooked here, if you look at JY you are trying to "railroad" him.

:shrug:

I've yet to see one of you's say he has a right to invoke his rights and wait for a trial. Instead it's he's Guilty or hiding because he won't go in for interrogations. You can't be aquitted after interrogations....you can however be aquitted after a trial. I can't think of why someone would enter a situation that they can't win but can lose. Makes NO sense at all. IMO

tiny paw-prints

09-18-2007, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

It's ridiculous to expect him to go in for interrogations where LE wants to nail him for this crime. It would be just plain stupid to go for that bait , If you actually think that LE motives are to clear up some questions and not nail him on their turf you are very naive . IMO. No man should ever ever put himslef in that position and if LE and the DA thinks he did it than they should have the integrity to give him a fair trial where he can have a legal team on his side and rules followed because there is a judge. In interrogations there is NO JUDGE. JMO

LOL!

I think it's very odd for you to Not trust law enforcement, the district attorneys or prosecutors, but you'd put all your faith and trust in a JUDGE! LOL!

alter ego

09-18-2007, 07:15 PM

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

LOL!

I think it's very odd for you to Not trust law enforcement, the district attorneys or prosecutors, but you'd put all your faith and trust in a JUDGE! LOL!

Who said all? I said a legal team with you. If you win just ONE ruling by a judge it's one more than in an interrogation room. :shrug: IMO

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

LOL!

I think it's very odd for you to Not trust law enforcement, the district attorneys or prosecutors, but you'd put all your faith and trust in a JUDGE! LOL!

I'm sure all LE wants in an interrogation room is to share their donuts with You.;) IMO

alter ego

09-18-2007, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by Deanna55

Sorry, just not getting the comparison you make. Meredith would have noticeable marks/injuries IMO if she had murdered Michelle, I think their would have been quite a brawl, if it was JY, she never stood a chance IMO. I never said it isnt OK to voice opinions about the 911 call. What I said was, (maybe you could use a reading comprehension course) that IT GETS OLD constantly accusing Meredith, and then I stated MY OPINIONS on why I dont think it was her, and that its very mean and unfeeling to tear her (and her mom apart, since the murdered person is their flesh and blood)
Then why did LE want to inspect Jason's body for signs of injury?

Dida

09-18-2007, 07:20 PM

I still have questions about JY's older sister. Is she married? Does she have children? Does she work? Were she and Michelle close?

TIA

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by Deanna55

Sorry, just not getting the comparison you make. Meredith would have noticeable marks/injuries IMO if she had murdered Michelle, I think their would have been quite a brawl, if it was JY, she never stood a chance IMO. I never said it isnt OK to voice opinions about the 911 call. What I said was, (maybe you could use a reading comprehension course) that IT GETS OLD constantly accusing Meredith, and then I stated MY OPINIONS on why I dont think it was her, and that its very mean and unfeeling to tear her (and her mom apart, since the murdered person is their flesh and blood)

Why are you assuming there would have been a brawl? I do have a problem comprehending why someone makes such assumptions when there's no facts to back it up. The 911 call is a fact and people have expressed opinions about it. I think maybe you could use a course on tolerating opinions different from your own.

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Why are you assuming there would have been a brawl? I do have a problem comprehending why someone makes such assumptions when there's no facts to back it up. The 911 call is a fact and people have expressed opinions about it. I think maybe you could use a course on tolerating opinions different from your own.

:beer: It needed to be said. IMO

Dida

09-18-2007, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by willow_1
Not a one of those questions figure into this murder. IMO

And you get to decide that..........how?

springflowers35

09-18-2007, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Deanna55
Hi all, haven't been on in awhile, but still reading as often as possible. Isn't it a little far-fetched to still be calling Meredith a suspect in this horrible murder, when if you think it thru (Kat) there are several strong points that say otherwise. For instance, if Meredith actually was the perp, Michelle and she would have had quite a fight IMO, Meredith would be covered in bruises, scratches, etc., and those marks would have been very obvious to LE since they interviewed her such a short time after murder. Also, when JY called her and left message for her to pick up document at his home, if she indeed had committed this crime, she would not have waited until 1:30 p.m. to go there, she would have been glad of a reason to go right away and rescue Cassidy, and IMO would have answered his call immediately and done the "favor" much earlier. IMO the people on this board who constantly question the 911 call made by Meredith have no clue how anyone, including theirselves, would react to such a scene, and no one can foresee how they would sound, communicate with emergency techs, or what they would do upon finding Michelle and Cassidy in that house. To keep saying she did this wrong, she didn't do this, she sounds dazed, etc....is not only redundant, it is all-assuming and IMO plain vindictive to tear her apart for her demeanor on that call. We don't even know the girl, for Gods sake, how can you judge her actions and emotional level, since you have nothing to weigh it against ? Give it up once and for all, it's more than infuriating, it is inhumane in light of what she has gone thru. IMO
To everyone else, hi you guys !!, so glad you all have hung in thru thick and thin on this board.. Where's Springflowers and CanadianGirl ????
Justice for Michelle and babies :rose:

I'm still around. Good to see you Deanna :seeya:

You make some great points for the JII crowd. Thank you!

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Deanna55

As I said, if Meredith was the perp, Michelle could have possibly fought back, defended herself since Meredith is a female and a little more in Michelles league (physically), JY being a male and 6'something would be quite a bit stronger, obviously cutting the ability to defend herself against him by half or better. Seems obvious to me......just sayin..

Now JY is a tough guy when it suits your lame theory but is mocked when talked about in other contexts. lol. JMO

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by Deanna55

As I said, if Meredith was the perp, Michelle could have possibly fought back, defended herself since Meredith is a female and a little more in Michelles league (physically), JY being a male and 6'something would be quite a bit stronger, obviously cutting the ability to defend herself against him by half or better. Seems obvious to me......just sayin..

There were defensive wounds on Michelle. That's a sign she did fight back but since she's the victim, it's impossible to say if she caused obvious injury to the face or hands of her killer. I assume her killer was clothed.

Dida

09-18-2007, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

Now JY is a tough guy when it suits your lame theory but is mocked when talked about in other contexts. lol. JMO

I do not consider Deanna's theory "lame". jmo

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Dida

I do not consider Deanna's theory "lame". jmo

You see my point. IMO;)

Dida

09-18-2007, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

You see my point. IMO;)

Actually, no, I do not.

alter ego

09-18-2007, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Deanna55

No Reed, I would love for him to be interviewed by LE, and answer all their questions, and more than anything I'd love for him to be CLEARED...

No one "wants" the husband and father to be the murderer, are you insane ? If you want the husband "railroaded" then you would also want the "real" killer to be loose on the streets, and sorry thats just not the way I feel, and I doubt anyone on this board wants that. Very complex, the way your mind works, kinda skeery too ~~
No body 'wants' it? Then why do they declare him guilty if they don't 'want' it to be Jason? And why do they make up stories about him if they don't 'want' it to be Jason. Makes no sense.

Well for all of you that don't 'want' it to be Jason, relax - cuz it's NOT Jason. All the so called mountains of evidence some claim exists obviously doesn't or he would have been charged by now.

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Deanna55

As I said, if Meredith was the perp, Michelle could have possibly fought back, defended herself since Meredith is a female and a little more in Michelles league (physically), JY being a male and 6'something would be quite a bit stronger, obviously cutting the ability to defend herself against him by half or better. Seems obvious to me......just sayin..

I think That Mere could've easily taken MY especially if she went for the head. I think that given she was in town she has to be investigated. JMO

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

No body 'wants' it? Then why do they declare him guilty if they don't 'want' it to be Jason? And why do they make up stories about him if they don't 'want' it to be Jason. Makes no sense.

Well for all of you that don't 'want' it to be Jason, relax - cuz it's NOT Jason. All the so called mountains of evidence some claim exists obviously doesn't or he would have been charged by now.

I've NEVER bought that they don't " Want" it to be JY. They live for that stuff. IMO

Dida

09-18-2007, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

I've NEVER bought that they don't " Want" it to be JY. They live for that stuff. IMO

Who are "they"?

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

<snipped>I think that given she was in town she has to be investigated. JMO

She was investigated because she's the one that (was set up and) found the body. The police would be idiots if they hadn't investigated her. imo

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Who are "they"?

The pro Jason is Guilty club. IMO

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by willow_1
I say being a male 6 something tall ,her being a small 4 months pregnant woman he could easily have strangled her to death. IMO

Do you have any experience in knowing how "easy" it is to strangle someone? I'm just wondering what you're basing that "knowledge" on.

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

She was investigated because she's the one that (was set up and) found the body. The police would be idiots if they hadn't investigated her. imo

I guess asking a favor is a set up these days. IMO. Maybe Mere went over there with good intentions but snapped. JMO

Dida

09-18-2007, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

The pro Jason is Guilty club. IMO

Does that also include the posters that think that the husband is a likely suspect, whether or not they have decided he is guilty?

alter ego

09-18-2007, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by willow_1
Not a one of those questions figure into this murder. IMO
Of course not. Anything to deflect attention away from the Only Sister.

Anything at all.....

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by willow_1
I say being a male 6 something tall ,her being a small 4 months pregnant woman he could easily have strangled her to death. IMO

Would've been cake. imo

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

I guess asking a favor is a set up these days. IMO.<snipped> JMO

It is when the "favor" is way out of the norm and happens to coincide with the discovery of her deceased sister and unharmed niece.

Dida

09-18-2007, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Of course not. Anything to deflect attention away from the Only Sister.

Anything at all.....

You misunderstand; there was no attempt on my part to deflect attention; I don't believe that to be necessary. I simply believe that there are other sisters whose motives bear examination.

jmo

alter ego

09-18-2007, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by willow_1
I say being a male 6 something tall ,her being a small 4 months pregnant woman he could easily have strangled her to death. IMO
But gee, that didn't happen....and LE sure did indicate a mighty struggle occured in that bedroom.....

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Does that also include the posters that think that the husband is a likely suspect, whether or not they have decided he is guilty?

Honestly I think that they all know who they are. You can tell in their posts that they have no concern that he may be innocent they just get excited at the thought he could be convicted. IMO

tiny paw-prints

09-18-2007, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

I've NEVER bought that they don't " Want" it to be JY. They live for that stuff. IMO

Unlike the victims who are no longer alive to "live for" their own stuff?

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

But gee, that didn't happen....and LE sure did indicate a mighty struggle occured in that bedroom.....

Things that make you say hmmmmmmmmm. imo

Dida

09-18-2007, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

Honestly I think that they all know who they are. You can tell in their posts that they have no concern that he may be innocent they just get excited at the thought he could be convicted. IMO

Someone suggested earlier, to another poster, that they should be willing to tolerate opinions other than their own. I believe that is my best response here.

jmo

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Unlike the victims who are no longer alive to "live for" their own stuff?

I'm not sure if you're mocking the victim there . I'm not touching that one. IMO

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Someone suggested earlier, to another poster, that they should be willing to tolerate opinions other than their own. I believe that is my best response here.

jmo

I know the drill. JMO

Dida

09-18-2007, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

I know the drill. JMO

I would repeat my suggestion, but I, personally, abhor redundancy.

jmo

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

It is when the "favor" is way out of the norm and happens to coincide with the discovery of her deceased sister and unharmed niece.

It isn't every day You're out of town and planning a gift that could be spoiled. IMO

tiny paw-prints

09-18-2007, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

Would've been cake. imo

A cakewalk?

Do you have experience in strangulating someone to death?

ReedJ

09-18-2007, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

A cakewalk?

Do you have experience in strangulating someone to death?

I refuse to say on advice of counsel. JMO

Dida

09-18-2007, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by TimMcGraw

I don't think Heather had anything to do with it. Kim on the other hand, she sets the hinky meter in motion.

I agree. That is the reason I have the questions that I do.

jmo

eta: ( Reed, pssst, I am saying that a WOMAN is a suspect.)

alter ego

09-18-2007, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

I guess asking a favor is a set up these days. IMO. Maybe Mere went over there with good intentions but snapped. JMO
Michelle's sister obviously thought nothing about the request as she honored it without so much as an inquiring phone call to her BIL. Then upon arrival she fails to note Michelle's car there and goes on to assume that Michelle somehow got to work sans vehicle.

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by JohnLangston

Like your previous nics, I am sure your posts will get nastier and nastier until you are banned again.:tongue:

Her wounds were bruises and abrasions on the top of her hands. The hands that were used to cover and shield her face from the vicious attack from JY. imo

What was nasty about my post? I read an article that said she had defensive wounds and there was no elaboration.

:no:

Dida

09-18-2007, 08:04 PM

on the go

09-18-2007, 08:04 PM

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

In what context did she use the word? Do you know?

When Michelle's sister was asking her niece what happened.

I still don't know why she could not have taken Michelle's daughter to a neighbor's home, came back and made the 911 call, she knew from her first words that she was dead....

Remove the child from the scene and any potential danger or any extra trauma...

By keeping her there until help arrived, Michelle's daughter also had to witness all these strange people running into the home, police cars, possibly sirens, ambulances?

I don't know how many officers arrived there or what else happened that clearly Michelle's daughter did not have to see.

Seeing her Mother dead was enough....

Get her out....

The killer still could have been inside

I wonder when police arrived, if they drew their guns or searched the premises?

How much more scared did Michelle's daughter unnecessarily have to be?

JMO
Kat

on the go

09-18-2007, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by Dida
I still have questions about JY's older sister. Is she married? Does she have children? Does she work? Were she and Michelle close?

TIA

IIRC married, no children.

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by TimMcGraw

I wonder if there is a book out there, maybe 911 calls for dummies? It might tell you how to act when you realize your brother in law has sent you to find your sister after he killed her. If there is not, I know who could write it.

I appreciate your efforts.

Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

jammies

09-18-2007, 08:20 PM

It's 8:20 EST and no breaking news.

I'm SHOCKED I tell ya!

karen

09-18-2007, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

If JY told LE she had a " stalker" they would call him a liar and rip him in the media. I think JY would find a way to tip police off if that was the case. IMO. I'm also sure MY would've mentioned that to her mom or something while Yacking on the phone. jmo

What a "cold hearted" thing to say. I would think that IF that were the case Michelle would have told her "loving husband" :chicken: about the stalker. But that's all BS anyway.
:seeya:

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by jammies
It's 8:20 EST and no breaking news.

I'm SHOCKED I tell ya!

Has the one with the "breaking news" even made an appearance?

Hey Paula

09-18-2007, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Michelle's sister obviously thought nothing about the request as she honored it without so much as an inquiring phone call to her BIL. Then upon arrival she fails to note Michelle's car there and goes on to assume that Michelle somehow got to work sans vehicle.

If JY told Meredith the document was related to a surprise for Michelle, she would have likely honored the request, without questioning it.

If Michelle's vehicle was visible to Meredith when she arrived, there could have been a number of logical answers, ranging from sudden illness to car trouble requiring Michelle to get a ride from someone, all of which would have likely warranted further investigation and more of a reason for Meredith to enter the house.

IMO

alter ego

09-18-2007, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

When Michelle's sister was asking her niece what happened.

I still don't know why she could not have taken Michelle's daughter to a neighbor's home, came back and made the 911 call, she knew from her first words that she was dead....

Remove the child from the scene and any potential danger or any extra trauma...

By keeping her there until help arrived, Michelle's daughter also had to witness all these strange people running into the home, police cars, possibly sirens, ambulances?

I don't know how many officers arrived there or what else happened that clearly Michelle's daughter did not have to see.

Seeing her Mother dead was enough....

Get her out....

The killer still could have been inside

I wonder when police arrived, if they drew their guns or searched the premises?

How much more scared did Michelle's daughter unnecessarily have to be?

JMO
Kat

Guess it was more important to quiz the child instead of being concerned about her being further traumatized. :(

tiny paw-prints

09-18-2007, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

(snipped)

The killer still could have been inside

I wonder when police arrived, if they drew their guns or searched the premises?

Kat. Almost 11 months later. Guess what?

The. Killer. Was. Not. Inside. The. House.

When. Meredith. Arrived. At. 1:30. In. The. Afternoon.

Are you ever going to move beyond that Fact?

jammies

09-18-2007, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

Has the one with the "breaking news" even made an appearance?

Not yet. Busy licking it's wounds.

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Kat. Almost 11 months later. Guess what?

The. Killer. Was. Not. Inside. The. House.

When. Meredith. Arrived. At. 1:30. In. The. Afternoon.

Are you ever going to move beyond that Fact?

Oh, that deserves a clink! :beer:

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by jammies
It's 8:20 EST and no breaking news.

I'm SHOCKED I tell ya!

Then you know how some felt when March 31st came and went, or all the other times that were promised an imminent arrest was going to happen, months and months and months ago.

Now an arrest is sooner or later?

Sooner or later than what?

No one will even tell who is getting arrested and why?

For misleading the police, giving false information?

Who would do that?

Maybe L E is busy following up that Roxbury tip?
Maybe they are bringing in the boat?
Maybe there is a sting operation looking for stolen jewelry?

JMO
Kat

jammies

09-18-2007, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Then you know how some felt when March 31st came and went, or all the other times that were promised an imminent arrest was going to happen, months and months and months ago.

Now an arrest is sooner or later?

Sooner or later than what?

No one will even tell who is getting arrested and why?

For misleading the police, giving false information?

Who would do that?

Maybe L E is busy following up that Roxbury tip?
Maybe they are bringing in the boat?
Maybe there is a sting operation looking for stolen jewelry?

JMO
Kat

Same reasoning you use for bashing Meredith. It's the nyaahh, nyaahh defense. :rolleyes:

Dida

09-18-2007, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Then you know how some felt when March 31st came and went, or all the other times that were promised an imminent arrest was going to happen, months and months and months ago.

Now an arrest is sooner or later?

Sooner or later than what?

No one will even tell who is getting arrested and why?

For misleading the police, giving false information?

Who would do that?

Maybe L E is busy following up that Roxbury tip?
Maybe they are bringing in the boat?
Maybe there is a sting operation looking for stolen jewelry?

JMO
Kat

I think LE is busy tracking down people who sell purses on eBay.

jmo

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

But the big question here is how did the only sister know that? <snipped>IMO

How many cases can you cite where the person who discovered the body and the unharmed child ran screaming from the house?

I know that Jessie Marie Davis's mom did not.

alter ego

09-18-2007, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

If JY told Meredith the document was related to a surprise for Michelle, she would have likely honored the request, without questioning it.

If Michelle's vehicle was visible to Meredith when she arrived, there could have been a number of logical answers, ranging from sudden illness to car trouble requiring Michelle to get a ride from someone, all of which would have likely warranted further investigation and more of a reason for Meredith to enter the house.

IMO
Well if Meredith didn't find the request odd, why should anyone else?

Why would any of those explanations warrant further investigation by Meredith but not a mention of it to the 911 operator? Not a call to Jason to ask what's up, her car is here and tell him she couldn't get the document. She instead told the 911 operator that Michelle was supposed to be at work and she was there on a fluke. Didn't mention any curiosity about why Michelle's car was still there but went into precise detail regarding her relationship with the victim. Her actions make no sense.

Dida

09-18-2007, 08:37 PM

tiny paw-prints

09-18-2007, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Michelle's sister obviously thought nothing about the request as she honored it without so much as an inquiring phone call to her BIL. Then upon arrival she fails to note Michelle's car there and goes on to assume that Michelle somehow got to work sans vehicle.

It's been speculated that Meredith entered the house through the front main door with a key and that Michelle's vehicle was parked inside the garage with the garage door down. Based upon that speculation, why would Meredith SEE her sister's car?

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints
[B]

Kat. Almost 11 months later. Guess what?

The. Killer. Was. Not. Inside. The. House.

When. Meredith. Arrived. At. 1:30. In. The. Afternoon.

Are you ever going to move beyond that Fact? [/B

]

And, how would she or anyone else know that without searching all the rooms, closets, garage, etc? Backyard, premises?

How did she know how long Michelle was dead??

So, are you saying the police did not look around either?
That they thought Michelle had fallen too?

Hmmmmm, strange, that everyone knew the killer was gone .

Guess the only sister's psych degree finally kicked in overtime.

JMO
Kat

seriouslee

09-18-2007, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Kat. Almost 11 months later. Guess what?

Are you ever going to move beyond that Fact?

*****
TPP,
The saying, "You can't steer a parked car" fits here.

alter ego

09-18-2007, 08:39 PM

Dida

09-18-2007, 08:39 PM

jammies

09-18-2007, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Well if Meredith didn't find the request odd, why should anyone else?

Why would any of those explanations warrant further investigation by Meredith but not a mention of it to the 911 operator? Not a call to Jason to ask what's up, her car is here and tell him she couldn't get the document. She instead told the 911 operator that Michelle was supposed to be at work and she was there on a fluke. Didn't mention any curiosity about why Michelle's car was still there but went into precise detail regarding her relationship with the victim. Her actions make no sense.

Yet you can't find one thing about Jason that makes no sense?

If Meredith were under the microscope and LE was convinced she's the killer...........WHY ISN'T JASON TALKING???

You would think he'd be yapping his brains out if LE were on the track of someone besides him.

But no. He's afraid. As he should be.

alter ego

09-18-2007, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

And, how would she or anyone else know that without searching all the rooms, closets, garage, etc? Backyard, premises?

How did she know how long Michelle was dead??

So, are you saying the police did not look around either?
That they thought Michelle had fallen too?

Hmmmmm, strange, that everyone knew the killer was gone .

Guess the only sister's psych degree finally kicked in overtime.

JMO
Kat Wonder why the dog was freaking out then :shrug:

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by jammies

Yet you can't find one thing about Jason that makes no sense?

If Meredith were under the microscope and LE was convinced she's the killer...........WHY ISN'T JASON TALKING???

You would think he'd be yapping his brains out if LE were on the track of someone besides him.

But no. He's afraid. As he should be.

I don't think he's afraid as much as he knows that he would either have to lie or be arrested. If he lies, he could be caught in the lie. So he "exercises his right" and stays free. He just might get away with murder that way. imo

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

But the big question here is how did the only sister know that? Could it be because she was the killer.Oh wait that would mean the killer was in the house. You've been right all along ,Kat.IMO

Thank you......the point being Michelle could have been killed at
1:25 for all she knew.

So, unless the killer was running down the staircase the same time she was running up, and stopped and said hello to her, and asked her how the weather was , and if their was a lot of traffic , and said they left her a slice of pizza on the kitchen counter, how would she know, the killer was GONE?

JMO
Kat

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

How many cases can you cite where the person who discovered the body and the unharmed child ran screaming from the house?

I know that Jessie Marie Davis's mom did not.

in that case there was no body and she was pretty much screaming on that 911 call.

Dida

09-18-2007, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by jammies

Yet you can't find one thing about Jason that makes no sense?

If Meredith were under the microscope and LE was convinced she's the killer...........WHY ISN'T JASON TALKING???

You would think he'd be yapping his brains out if LE were on the track of someone besides him.

But no. He's afraid. As he should be.

jammies, you have pinpointed one of the big issues for me. If JASON thinks that Meredith killed Michelle, WHY isn't he pointing the finger and wrapping up this case?

Hey Paula

09-18-2007, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Again (since you did not respond previously), what evidence do you have that Meredith saw her sister's car?

TIA!!!

I'd wondered the same thing, and had even asked, on a prior occasion, why Michelle's vehicle wouldn't be in (or near) the garage instead of in plain view?

Dida

09-18-2007, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Thank you......the point being Michelle could have been killed at
1:25 for all she knew.

So, unless the killer was running down the staircase the same time she was running up, and stopped and said hello to her, and asked her how the weather was , and if their was a lot of traffic , and said they left her a slice of pizza on the kitchen counter, how would she know, the killer was GONE?

JMO
Kat

My question is, what would make her think, initially, that there was a "killer"?

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

I'd wondered the same thing, and had even asked, on a prior occasion, why Michelle's vehicle wouldn't be in, or near, the garage instead of in plain view?

Big, BIIIIIIIIGGG, stretches! I think that's why some disappear for some time. They are visiting the PT in order to heal the overstretched muscles. imo

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 08:48 PM

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 08:48 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Barbara2
[B]

How many cases can you cite where the person who discovered the body and the unharmed child ran screaming from the house?

I know that Jessie Marie Davis's mom did not. [/B

][/QUOTE

I cannot believe you referenced this case.
Jessie's body was not even in the home, she was found days later in the woods.

::::::::::::::.________________:::::::::::
JMO
Kat

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by Dida

jammies, you have pinpointed one of the big issues for me. If JASON thinks that Meredith killed Michelle, WHY isn't he pointing the finger and wrapping up this case?

That's an issue? Jason's thoughts aren't proof of anything. Pointing the finger doesn't wrap up a case.

jammies

09-18-2007, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by Dida

jammies, you have pinpointed one of the big issues for me. If JASON thinks that Meredith killed Michelle, WHY isn't he pointing the finger and wrapping up this case?

Besides the obvious reasons....because he's no MAN!

He's a sniveling, cheating, sneaky COWARD who cares more about himself than his lovely DEAD wife.

PERIOD!

Dida

09-18-2007, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

That's an issue? Jason's thoughts aren't proof of anything. Pointing the finger doesn't wrap up a case.

Oh, gosh, whatever was I thinking? He could not point a finger, because he isn't talking. Please, forgive the question.

jammies

09-18-2007, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Oh, gosh, whatever was I thinking? He could not point a finger, because he isn't talking. Please, forgive the question.

lol! I have a word picture in my head now!

Dida

09-18-2007, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by jammies

Besides the obvious reasons....because he's no MAN!

He's a sniveling, cheating, sneaky COWARD who cares more about himself than his lovely DEAD wife.

PERIOD!

And there is that, too.

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
Wonder why the dog was freaking out then :shrug:

Maybe the killer didn't stop to pat him on the head.

:(
JMO
Kat

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Oh, gosh, whatever was I thinking? He could not point a finger, because he isn't talking. Please, forgive the question.

I have no idea if he's talking but pointing a finger doesn't require speech.

Dida

09-18-2007, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by jammies

lol! I have a word picture in my head now!

Well, please, keep it to yourself. Verbalizing where that finger is might cause problems.

:D

jammies

09-18-2007, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Maybe the killer didn't stop to pat him on the head.

:(
JMO
Kat

You don't own a dog either, do you?

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by TimMcGraw

Probably because he was locked up in a small bathroom downstairs because the killer didn't want his home messed up anymore than it already had been. Probably not normal for him to be pinned up.

wouldn't the little girl let the dog out? She was old enough to reach door knobs.

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by Dida

My question is, what would make her think, initially, that there was a "killer"?

oh, sheesh, I don't know, maybe all the blood, the dog, her niece, something like that?

:(
JMO
Kat

Dida

09-18-2007, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

oh, sheesh, I don't know, maybe all the blood, the dog, her niece, something like that?

:(
JMO
Kat

Why wouldn't she think it was a miscarriage?

cognac

09-18-2007, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by rstarrg

Right, I can name several cases where children have killed their parents. What I was trying to do is think of any cases where one sister bludgeoned another sister to death....

Unless Meredith was some sort of a body builder, she wouldn't have had the upper body strength to inflict the wounds that the husband was capable of.jmo

Hey Paula

09-18-2007, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by alter ego

Well if Meredith didn't find the request odd, why should anyone else?

Why would any of those explanations warrant further investigation by Meredith but not a mention of it to the 911 operator? Not a call to Jason to ask what's up, her car is here and tell him she couldn't get the document. She instead told the 911 operator that Michelle was supposed to be at work and she was there on a fluke. Didn't mention any curiosity about why Michelle's car was still there but went into precise detail regarding her relationship with the victim. Her actions make no sense.

What made it odd was what Meredith discovered upon entering the house, after having been sent there by her BIL, i.e., discovering her sister's bludgeoned corpse.

Why would you expect Meredith to mention her sister's vehicle to the 911 operator at a shocking, traumatizing time like that?

If I thought my sister was supposed to be at work and I saw her vehicle outside, I'd surely investigate it to make sure she was alright.

Why would Meredith call Jason before entering the house, even if she saw Michelle vehicle? And she certainly wouldn't have called him upon entering the house after having witnessed one of the most horrific crime scenes with the victim being her own sister..

IMO

jammies

09-18-2007, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

What made it odd was what Meredith discovered upon entering the house, after having been sent there by her BIL, i.e., discovering her sister's bludgeoned corpse.

Why would you expect Meredith to mention her sister's vehicle to the 911 operator at a shocking, traumatizing time like that?

If I thought my sister was supposed to be at work and I saw her vehicle outside, I'd surely investigate it to make sure she was alright.

Why would Meredith call Jason before entering the house, even if she saw Michelle vehicle? And she certainly wouldn't have called him upon entering the house after having seen one of the most horrific crime scenes with the victim being her own sister..

IMO

I think those that don't "get" the 9/11 call are of a different nature than the rest of us.

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 09:01 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jammies

You don't own a dog either, do you? [/QUOTE

How is this case about me, again?

So, the dog was in the bathroom but she does not say that.

She says the dog was freaking out, but guess what?

I have never heard a dog barking on that 911 call to this day.

JMO
Kat]

Dida

09-18-2007, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jammies

You don't own a dog either, do you? [/QUOTE

How is this case about me, again?

So, the dog was in the bathroom but she does not say that.

She says the dog was freaking out, but guess what?

I have never heard a dog barking on that 911 call to this day.

JMO
Kat]

Why would you? She said the dog was "freaking out" when she got there. I imagine the first thing she did was let him out. Why would he still be barking?

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jammies

You don't own a dog either, do you? [/QUOTE

How is this case about me, again?

So, the dog was in the bathroom but she does not say that.

She says the dog was freaking out, but guess what?

I have never heard a dog barking on that 911 call to this day.

JMO
Kat]

I can't figure out the reason for putting the dog in a bathroom. It makes no sense to do that.

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jammies

You don't own a dog either, do you? [/QUOTE

How is this case about me, again?

So, the dog was in the bathroom but she does not say that.

She says the dog was freaking out, but guess what?

I have never heard a dog barking on that 911 call to this day.

JMO
Kat]

Don't you think it's possible that the dog WAS freaking out when she got there because A. He hadn't been let out and B. He hadn't eaten. Do you think it's LOGICAL that she let the dog outside and that's why YOU can't hear him on the tape?

jammies

09-18-2007, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Why would you? She said the dog was "freaking out" when she got there. I imagine the first thing she did was let him out. Why would he still be barking?

Like I said: she doesn't own a dog! :biggrin:

Dida

09-18-2007, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

Don't you think it's possible that the dog WAS freaking out when she got there because A. He hadn't been let out and B. He hadn't eaten. Do you think it's LOGICAL that she let the dog outside and that's why YOU can't hear him on the tape?

GMTA :)

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I can't figure out the reason for putting the dog in a bathroom. It makes no sense to do that.

It would make sense if it was the husband who did not want the dog to follow him upstairs. imo

Dida

09-18-2007, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I can't figure out the reason for putting the dog in a bathroom. It makes no sense to do that.

To keep him out of the way during the murder.

Hey Paula

09-18-2007, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

Big, BIIIIIIIIGGG, stretches! I think that's why some disappear for some time. They are visiting the PT in order to heal the overstretched muscles. imo

LOL!!!

IIRC, the garage was in the back of the house, out of sight from someone who would be entering the house through the front door, as Meredith likely had that key.

IMO

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by jammies

Like I said: she doesn't own a dog! :biggrin:

Obvious. Dog owners know the drill. Dogs are very "scheduled".

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Why would you? She said the dog was "freaking out" when she got there. I imagine the first thing she did was let him out. Why would he still be barking?

She just got there, right?
And, the first thing she did was to call 911, right?
So, in the time she let him out and the time she called, he was all calmed down, this from being locked in a bathroom and not eating all nite, right?
He just went into the yard and everything was fine.
He immediately stopped freaking out.
He lived happily ever after.

:(
JMO
Kat

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

It would make sense if it was the husband who did not want the dog to follow him upstairs. imo

Why would he care? His dog. His house. The idea he locked up the dog but allowed his child to roam is far-fetched to me.

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

<snipped>
He just went into the yard and everything was fine.
He immediately stopped freaking out.
He lived happily ever after.

JMO
Kat

Depending on where you are in a big house, you cannot hear the dog barking in the back yard. I don't think the phone would have picked it up. IMO

Dida

09-18-2007, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

She just got there, right?
And, the first thing she did was to call 911, right?
So, in the time she let him out and the time she called, he was all calmed down, this from being locked in a bathroom and not eating all nite, right?
He just went into the yard and everything was fine.
He immediately stopped freaking out.
He lived happily ever after.

:(
JMO
Kat

She was downstairs before she was upstairs.
She could have let the dog out, and back in, and fed him, before she ever went upstairs. Why would she know there was any urgency to go upstairs?
Before she saw Michelle's body and called 911.
And no one is living happily ever after, Kat. This is not a fairy tale.

Dida

09-18-2007, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Why would he care? His dog. His house. The idea he locked up the dog but allowed his child to roam is far-fetched to me.

I doubt the child bites.

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by Dida

To keep him out of the way during the murder.

oh, I see. Not. Why didn't he lock up his child, too?

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

Why would he care? His dog. His house. The idea he locked up the dog but allowed his child to roam is far-fetched to me.

I doubt he was planning on the child waking up. The dog wouldn't be so cooperative. I think it's possible the child woke up and made the "plan" much more difficult. I don't think she was awake when he got there. imo

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

She just got there, right?
And, the first thing she did was to call 911, right?
So, in the time she let him out and the time she called, he was all calmed down, this from being locked in a bathroom and not eating all nite, right?
He just went into the yard and everything was fine.
He immediately stopped freaking out.
He lived happily ever after.

:(
JMO
Kat

You know everyone was calm, now that I think of it.

Michelle's daughter did not seem to want or need anything for herself, just a washcloth.

Not a glass of water, not a bowl of cereal, nothing.

And, all this after hours and hours and hours of being alone..

Hey Paula

09-18-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I can't figure out the reason for putting the dog in a bathroom. It makes no sense to do that.

I don't think a murderer would want a dog around, to get in his way, while he was murdering a member of the household.

What makes no sense to me is why the dog went willingly and didn't bite the murderer, unless of course the murder was one of the dog's masters.

IMO

Dida

09-18-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

oh, I see. Not. Why didn't he lock up his child, too?

Maybe he did. Didn't you say the child could reach the doorknobs?

jammies

09-18-2007, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

You know everyone was calm, now that I think of it.

Michelle's daughter did not seem to want or need anything for herself, just a washcloth.

Not a glass of water, not a bowl of cereal, nothing.

And, all this after hours and hours and hours of being alone..

Yet you can't hear "Daddy Did It".......

Dida

09-18-2007, 09:17 PM

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Maybe he did. Didn't you say the child could reach the doorknobs?

There is a "RUMOR" with some credible "speculation" to back it up that the child was locked up for a time. Sorry. Can't elaborate.

imo

alter ego

09-18-2007, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

I'd wondered the same thing, and had even asked, on a prior occasion, why Michelle's vehicle wouldn't be in (or near) the garage instead of in plain view? The initial photos when the story broke news photos/video show the garage door open and no car in the driveway.

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by TimMcGraw

I think there were doorknob covers.

On a bathroom door? That makes even less sense.

Dida

09-18-2007, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
The initial photos when the story broke news photos/video show the garage door open and no car in the driveway.

And the car could not have been moved before the reporters arrived?

jammies

09-18-2007, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

I noticed that also. She was saying member ,like she had been told what to say and MF was saying it wrong.I've wondered why she did that.

Wait.....let me guess........you can't hear Daddy Did It either?

No need to answer.

Dida

09-18-2007, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

I noticed that also. She was saying member ,like she had been told what to say and MF was saying it wrong.I've wondered why she did that.

I didn't hear that. Where, exactly, was it?

Hey Paula

09-18-2007, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by alter ego
The initial photos when the story broke news photos/video show the garage door open and no car in the driveway.

So where was the vehicle if not in the driveway and not in the garage? Perhaps LE moved it prior to the photo having been taken. It might have been in the garage when Meredith arrived.

If LE thought the murderer entered the house through the garage, they might have removed Michelle's vehicle when they dusted for prints, etc.

IMO

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by jammies

Wait.....let me guess........you can't hear Daddy Did It either?

No need to answer.

Not only do they not own dogs, they have never had a two-year-old either.

We have been over this and over this and answered it ad nauseum and yet it continues to be rehashed. I rest my case.

imo

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Maybe he did. Didn't you say the child could reach the doorknobs?

So you're thinking the child was able to free herself from confinement but not open the bathroom door and free her pet who was allegedly freaking out? That theory is not passing the credibility test for me.

Dida

09-18-2007, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

Not only do they not own dogs, they have never had a two-year-old either.

We have been over this and over this and answered it ad nauseum and yet it continues to be rehashed. I rest my case.

imo

And yet, I have gotten very few answers to my questions about the other sister. Why do you suppose that is?

Dida

09-18-2007, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

So you're thinking the child was able to free herself from confinement but not open the bathroom door and free her pet who was allegedly freaking out? That theory is not passing the credibility test for me.

You're the one that said the child could reach the doorknobs, not me. Which is it?

Barbara2

09-18-2007, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by Dida

And yet, I have gotten very few answers to my questions about the other sister. Why do you suppose that is?

Sensitive nerves?

wales

09-18-2007, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

On a bathroom door? That makes even less sense.

That would be the FIRST place to put one - so the little one doesn't fall head-first into the toilet and drown.

Hey Paula

09-18-2007, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by jammies

Yet you can't hear "Daddy Did It".......

I heard it. And I'll bet Cassidy told LE the same thing when they arrived.

IMO

Dida

09-18-2007, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

Sensitive nerves?

Fear?

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Dida

You're the one that said the child could reach the doorknobs, not me. Which is it?

I'm sorry, I just assumed you were familiar with children. By age 2.5 yrs, a normal child is tall enough to reach and open doors.

Dida

09-18-2007, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I'm sorry, I just assumed you were familiar with children. By age 2.5 yrs, a normal child is tall enough to reach and open doors.

Exactly.

eta: Do you suppose Daddy knew that?

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

oh, I see. Not. Why didn't he lock up his child, too

It was his dog, why would he have to anything with him?

Close the bedroom door .
Put him outside
Put him in the garage.
Things a Killer would do so the dog would not bark if he did not recognize you.

But, not if he knew you.

Besides, there is no confirmation that the dog was locked up anywhere.

Only that he was freaking out, but sure calmed down right away.

JMO
Kat

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by wales

That would be the FIRST place to put one - so the little one doesn't fall head-first into the toilet and drown.

I never needed to resort to such hysterical measures.

Dida

09-18-2007, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by JustFacts

I never needed to resort to such hysterical measures.

Child safety is hysterical?

jammies

09-18-2007, 09:44 PM

Originally posted by Trinity

That has been my question since the Jasonites started bashing Meredith.

I just got back in. No breaking news?

Naw. We're back to the phone call and the dog. Again.

JustFacts

09-18-2007, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Exactly.

eta: Do you suppose Daddy knew that?

Of course he knew it. The child was found wandering the house according to the news. Yet you want me to believe he locked the dog in a room and the child didn't let it out. Not a believable scenario to me. :shrug:

Dida

09-18-2007, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by jammies

Naw. We're back to the phone call and the dog. Again.

And, again, we're still being deflected whenever I ask about the other sister. Why do you suppose that is?

Kat4Eagles

09-18-2007, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

I heard it. And I'll bet Cassidy told LE the same thing when they arrived.

IMO

..........and, yet they have not arrested him, and are not fearful of her being in his care.

I sure hope they are keeping an eye on her.

JMO
Kat

cognac

09-18-2007, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

It's been speculated that Meredith entered the house through the front main door with a key and that Michelle's vehicle was parked inside the garage with the garage door down. Based upon that speculation, why would Meredith SEE her sister's car?

And even if she did see the car, as I recall it's a very long driveway from the street. What is Meredith supposed to do once she drives up the driveway? See the car and back down the driveway and leave? She runs the risk of Michelle seeing her from a window and it complicates the fact that she's there on a mission.

I'm sure she would go in to see her sister & niece and maybe hope she could inconspicuously get to that "piece of paper" and carry out her part of the surprise.