Michelle Young, Tues. Sept 18th

[Dida]

Originally posted by cognac


And even if she did see the car, as I recall it's a very long driveway from the street. What is Meredith supposed to do once she drives up the driveway? See the car and back down the driveway and leave? She runs the risk of Michelle seeing her from a window and it complicates the fact that she's there on a mission.

I'm sure she would go in to see her sister & niece and maybe hope she could inconspicuously get to that "piece of paper" and carry out her part of the surprise.

Very good, cognac.

[jammies]

Originally posted by JustFacts


no, over-protection is hysterical in my view.


How McCann-like.

[cognac]

Originally posted by Barbara2


It would make sense if it was the husband who did not want the dog to follow him upstairs. imo

Bingo!

[Dida]

Originally posted by jammies



They never bothered to examine the other sister because it didn't fit the agenda/marching orders?

That would be a reason. Makes me go hmmmmmmmm........

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Maybe the killer didn't stop to pat him on the head.

:(
JMO
Kat Maybe she was too busy practicing her 'panicked' voice....

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


So where was the vehicle if not in the driveway and not in the garage? Perhaps LE moved it prior to the photo having been taken. It might have been in the garage when Meredith arrived.

If LE thought the murderer entered the house through the garage, they might have removed Michelle's vehicle when they dusted for prints, etc.

IMO


I guess some people aren't seeing the logic in that?

[Dida]

Originally posted by alter ego
Maybe she was too busy practicing her 'panicked' voice....

Or maybe "she" didn't know the dog well enough to take that risk.

jmo

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by alter ego
Maybe she was too busy practicing her 'panicked' voice....

Still not enough.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


..........and, yet they have not arrested him, and are not fearful of her being in his care.

I sure hope they are keeping an eye on her.

JMO
Kat

I think, as I've posted before, that LE is working on breaking JY's alibi by seeking to acquire corroborating evidence, which places JY in Raleigh during Michelle's TOD.

IMO

[on the go]

Originally posted by Dida


Or maybe "she" didn't know the dog well enough to take that risk.

jmo

You may be onto something here. IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by on the go


You may be onto something here. IMO

I think the other sister bears closer examination. Should we not look at everyone close to Michelle? Could the other sister have had a motive? Why should she escape scrutiny?

jmo

[jammies]

Originally posted by Dida


I think the other sister bears closer examination. Should we not look at everyone close to Michelle? Could the other sister have had a motive? Why should she escape scrutiny?

jmo

Besides the jealously angle, was the other sister having money problems?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints



I guess some people aren't seeing the logic in that?

Hi Tiny!

It seems like one of the only logical explanations for Michelle's vehicle not being in view in the photo.

I've been meaning to tell you that I love your location!!

[Kat4Eagles]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trinity


How did the dog sound on the 911 call?
[
/QUOTE]

Wouldn't know , never heard a bark out of him.

He was freaking out, then went outside and was fine.

JMO
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I think, as I've posted before, that LE is working on breaking JY's alibi by seeking to acquire corroborating evidence, which places JY in Raleigh during Michelle's TOD.

IMO

.......and, so they continue almost 11 months later to let her live with a killer for no other reason than they can not break an alibi.

JMO
Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I heard it. And I'll bet Cassidy told LE the same thing when they arrived.

IMO Then how come the DA hasn't used that to get a GJ indictment so he can arrest and charge Jason? How come it's not included on any SWs - that alone would be sufficient probable cause. Bare minimun, why didn't they get CPS involved to protect the small child from further trauma?

And more importantly, when Cassidy is heard by a select few to have said those 3 words, why doesn't Michelle's sister hone in on that instead of asking her AGAIN who had been there?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by agathachristie



Not to mention , OJ's kids have been with him , too.

Another healthy environment .

What a weak argument !

MOOOOOO Aggie

Wrong.
O J was acquitted of murder, and then allowed to regain custody of his children upon his release.

Kat

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Wouldn't know , never heard a bark out of him.

He was freaking out, then went outside and was fine.

JMO
Kat
How long was Michelle's only sister at the house before she called 911?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Trinity


Statistically, she is in no danger.


I sure hope not, sure would be risky to even take a chance though.

Or L E may just have another theory of who killed Michelle they are working on.

JMO
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego

How long was Michelle's only sister at the house before she called 911?

Good question..
......and one we may soon find out.

:)
JMO
Kat

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by jammies


Besides the jealously angle, was the other sister having money problems?

From what I have heard, she is delinquent on a few small tax bills. jmo

[jammies]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



I sure hope not, sure would be risky to even take a chance though.

Or L E may just have another theory of who killed Michelle they are working on.

JMO
Kat


It's past 10pm EST. Think the GJ is still meeting?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by agathachristie



Not to mention , OJ's kids have been with him , too.

Another healthy environment .

What a weak argument !

MOOOOOO Aggie

I'm sure LE is appalled when children are forced, beyond LE's control, to live with a parent they believe murdered the other parent. But until/unless that person is convicted of the murder, LE and the Court's hands are tied.

It also appears that despite Janet Abaroa's brutal murder being officially unsolved, many believed her husband Raven was responsible. He, too, moved away with his daughter afterward.

IMO

[cognac]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


LOL!!!

IIRC, the garage was in the back of the house, out of sight from someone who would be entering the house through the front door, as Meredith likely had that key.

IMO

I think it was at the side of the house but here's a photo showing it was not at the front.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/image/1487754/?ref_id=1487738

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Trinity


and found guilty of murder in a civil trial.


...and will be probably serving more time soon..
But, the point is his kids were allowed to be in his care when they were growing up.
Now adults, no one is at risk.

And, we are talking about a 3 year old little girl.
JMO
Kat.

[JHP]

Originally posted by Trinity


The one who is driving Michelle's car and caring for Cassidy? That is the situation I think is the one that is suspcious. JMO The other sister dosen't seem to have gotten anything. But maybe there is more to it then we know. JMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by alter ego
Then how come the DA hasn't used that to get a GJ indictment so he can arrest and charge Jason? How come it's not included on any SWs - that alone would be sufficient probable cause. Bare minimun, why didn't they get CPS involved to protect the small child from further trauma?

And more importantly, when Cassidy is heard by a select few to have said those 3 words, why doesn't Michelle's sister hone in on that instead of asking her AGAIN who had been there?

Because a toddler can't testify and their word cannot be used to arrest someone.

Blake, the toddler son of Jessie Davis and Bobby Cutts, was instrumental in leading LE to Cutts and focusing their investigation on him. LE then gathered evidence, independent of what Blake told them, which ultimately led to LE finding Jessie's body and to Cutts' arrest.

IMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Trinity


and found guilty of murder in a civil trial.
No, he was found liable for his ex wife's death and ordered to pay compensatory damages. :read:

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Good question..
......and one we may soon find out.

:)
JMO
Kat

Oh, I should have wrote sooner than later..
sorry..
JMO
Kat

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by cognac


I think it was at the side of the house but here's a photo showing it was not at the front.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/image/1487754/?ref_id=1487738

Thanks for the link, Cognac!

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Because a toddler can't testify and their word cannot be used to arrest someone.

Blake, the toddler son of Jessie Davis and Bobby Cutts, was instrumental in leading LE to Cutts and focusing their investigation on him, and gathered evidence, independent of what Blake told them, which ultimately led to LE finding Jessie's body and to Cutts' arrest.

IMO
Yeah I know. And the words the toddler uttered were broadcast news.

But the 3 words in contention in this case are only echoed on a few msg boards, not by the media and not by LE.

The daughter of Jason and Michelle would not have to testify, if those words were truely captured on the 911 tape, all the DA would have to do is play the tape and the investigating officers could report on what they heard her say to them.

It stands to reason that those words were NOT uttered by the little girl.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Do you want to parse the obvious, Kat ?

Especially in light of the recent news ?

So, you think he is a capable parent because of his acquittal ?

Why am I not surprised ?

I rest my case .

:D

My personal opinion is that the O.J may finally have Karma catching up with him because it looks like the DA in Nevada wants to nail him for anything they can find in the law books. IMO. Looks good on him though given that in my personal opinion he knifed two people to death and got away with it....The DNA and abundant forensic evidence was painfully obvious and I don't believe that all the cops got together to " frame" O.J. I personally think that L.A jury was either brain dead or didn't care but again that's just my personal opinion. IMO

[karen]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


.......and, so they continue almost 11 months later to let her live with a killer for no other reason than they can not break an alibi.

JMO
Kat

I guess since JY did'nt harm Cassidy that night, LE does'nt think JY will harm her now......:shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Trinity



Right, guilty of murder. Nope. 'muder' and 'guilty' were not any choices on the verdict form.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by karen


I guess since JY did'nt harm Cassidy that night, LE does'nt think JY will harm her now......:shrug:

That assumes JY did the crime. I don't think so. lol. JMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by willow_1


Well where they say they hear it, Mere just says ok. If Cassie said that why didn't she say something about it. Why did she just say ok. IMO

Yeah. :shrug:

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by alter ego
Then how come the DA hasn't used that to get a GJ indictment so he can arrest and charge Jason? How come it's not included on any SWs - that alone would be sufficient probable cause. Bare minimun, why didn't they get CPS involved to protect the small child from further trauma?

And more importantly, when Cassidy is heard by a select few to have said those 3 words, why doesn't Michelle's sister hone in on that instead of asking her AGAIN who had been there?

Good question. All that would be needed is testimony of the LE rep who interviewed the child. If she really said Daddy did it, she'd have no problem repeating it for investigators, imo.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Good question. All that would be needed is testimony of the LE rep who interviewed the child. If she really said Daddy did it, she'd have no problem repeating it for investigators, imo.

I have no doubt she didn't say it but you also have to worry about Mere coaching. IMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by ReedJ


My personal opinion is that the O.J may finally have Karma catching up with him because it looks like the DA in Nevada wants to nail him for anything they can find in the law books. IMO. Looks good on him though given that in my personal opinion he knifed two people to death and got away with it....The DNA and abundant forensic evidence was painfully obvious and I don't believe that all the cops got together to " frame" O.J. I personally think that L.A jury was either brain dead or didn't care but again that's just my personal opinion. IMO
The DA in that case was out lawyered. Vincent Bugliosi wrote a book detailing the 5 reasons why that case was lost.

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[ReedJ]

Originally posted by alter ego

The DA in that case was out lawyered. Vincent Bugliosi wrote a book detailing the 5 reasons why that case was lost.

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True ,but I also got the feeling the jury couldn't understand some basic science.JMO

o/t

Anyway...back to this case...

[alter ego]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Good question. All that would be needed is testimony of the LE rep who interviewed the child. If she really said Daddy did it, she'd have no problem repeating it for investigators, imo. And they would also have the 911 tape to lend credibility. That would be icing on the cake and there's no way a competent DA would let that explosive evidence sit there while a murder case remains unsolved.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by alter ego

Yeah I know. And the words the toddler uttered were broadcast news.

But the 3 words in contention in this case are only echoed on a few msg boards, not by the media and not by LE.

The daughter of Jason and Michelle would not have to testify, if those words were truely captured on the 911 tape, all the DA would have to do is play the tape and the investigating officers could report on what they heard her say to them.

It stands to reason that those words were NOT uttered by the little girl.

Brillant.!!

Kat

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Reed, my man , I agree with everything you just said . I find it ironic that his best bud during the trial (Robert Kardashian ) , his attorney ( Johnnie Cochran ), and his first attorney's son ( Robert Shapiro ), are all dead ! And he still walks among us !

I'll never forget one of the first jurors interviewed . She said "if you want to try a domestic violence case , take that down the hall to another courtroom ! ". I believe she was first in line at the buffet table at OJ's post acquittal party !

O/T and JMO.......Aggie

I remember that juror and that's why I can't really blame the DA too much because that's what they were up against. Even if you ignore all that domestic violence stuff and look at the science in terms of the mixtures of blood it was very obvious. Anyway I don't want be off topic too long.JMO

o/t

[cognac]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Thanks for the link, Cognac!

YW!:)

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by ReedJ


True ,but I also got the feeling the jury couldn't understand some basic science.JMO

o/t

Anyway...back to this case...


Basic for the "average person" ?

basic psychology? basic commonsense?

basic logic? basic science? basic human nature?

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by agathachristie


I have never been able to decipher what the little girl said on the 911 tape. I know she was quite chatty, though.

You are concerned about her aunt coaching her.

That cuts both ways . Some people are concerned about daddy coaching her all these months . I'd say he won the battle on that front.

MOO...........Aggie

The difference is that if she coaches than he's dead. IMO:shrug:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Brillant.!!

Kat


Shrug. :tongue:

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Reed, my man , I agree with everything you just said . I find it ironic that his best bud during the trial (Robert Kardashian ) , his attorney ( Johnnie Cochran ), and his first attorney's son ( Robert Shapiro ), are all dead ! And he still walks among us !

I'll never forget one of the first jurors interviewed . She said "if you want to try a domestic violence case , take that down the hall to another courtroom ! ". I believe she was first in line at the buffet table at OJ's post acquittal party !

O/T and JMO.......Aggie

IIRC, that juror's name was Brenda Moran, which I changed, in my mind, to match my opinion of her.

IMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


So where was the vehicle if not in the driveway and not in the garage? Perhaps LE moved it prior to the photo having been taken. It might have been in the garage when Meredith arrived.

If LE thought the murderer entered the house through the garage, they might have removed Michelle's vehicle when they dusted for prints, etc.

IMO
In the garage with the door half way up.

The garage opens on the side of the house, not the front, but you have to pull up close to the garage to get to the sidewalk leading to the front door. IOW, you would see what's in the garage when you drove up the driveway to the sidewalk..

[alter ego]

Originally posted by agathachristie



I think the LE knew exactly what they were doing when they released that tape .

What are your thoughts on that ?

Standard procedure or really purposeful ?
SOP cuz it's public record

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by agathachristie



I think the LE knew exactly what they were doing when they released that tape .

What are your thoughts on that ?

Standard procedure or really purposeful ?

I wonder if it was played for JY, or if otherwise relayed to him, and if that is prompted him to immediately hire a lawyer?

IMO

[JustFacts]

Originally posted by alter ego
And they would also have the 911 tape to lend credibility. That would be icing on the cake and there's no way a competent DA would let that explosive evidence sit there while a murder case remains unsolved.

I think they would have leaked it to the media to put pressure on Jason Young. I never heard those words, Daddy did it, btw.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by agathachristie



I think the LE knew exactly what they were doing when they released that tape .

What are your thoughts on that ?

Standard procedure or really purposeful ?

I believe the actual 911 call was edited to secure and protect the complete and factual evidence of the call, before it was released to the public. IIRC, there were a few local people that heard the unedited version released to the public, before it was later edited for majority of the general public.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by alter ego

In the garage with the door half way up.

The garage opens on the side of the house, not the front, but you have to pull up close to the garage to get to the sidewalk leading to the front door. IOW, you would see what's in the garage when you drove up the driveway to the sidewalk..

Thanks for your description and explanation, but I still don't see Meredith seeing Michelle's vehicle there as something which should have altered Meredith's course from entering the house. If anything, it should have strengthened her resolve to do so.

IMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I wonder if it was played for JY, or if otherwise relayed to him, and if that is prompted him to immediately hire a lawyer?

IMO


I had thought that Meredith might have told him on the night he returned to Raleigh from Brevard to pick up Cassidy when he dashed inside her house to avoid the Big bad cops. Or, as you mentioned above; the info might have been relayed to him by some of his friends who insiders have said were at her house when he arrived.

eta: Or, on the other hand; Cassidy may have confronted him and asked him why he made mommy bleed and die?

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I believe the actual 911 call was edited to secure and protect the complete and factual evidence of the call, before it was released to the public. IIRC, there were a few local people that heard the unedited version released to the public, before it was later edited for majority of the general public.


I heard this as well.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by springflowers35



I heard this as well.

You did? I'm surprised.

The few that heard it, are very reserved in admitting it; or posting about it on any message board.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints



I had thought that Meredith might have told him on the night he returned to Raleigh from Brevard to pick up Cassidy when he dashed inside her house to avoid the Big bad cops. Or, as you mentioned above; the info might have been relayed to him by some of his friends who insiders have said were at her house when he arrived.

eta: Or, on the other hand; Cassidy may have confronted him and asked him why he made mommy bleed and die?

Something caused sufficient and immediate concern in JY, for him to hire a lawyer, despite his faraway alibi. I think when he planned this, he fully intended to "cooperate with" LE, secure in his belief he was shielded by his alibi. Cassidy, having seen/heard him on that fateful night/morning and then uttering those devastating words, is what might have caused him to drastically alter his plans.

Cassidy might have been just as instrumental in bringing the focus to her mother's killer as Blake was in bringing the focus to his mother's killer, which ultimately led to Cutts' arrest.

IMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by alter ego

In the garage with the door half way up.

The garage opens on the side of the house, not the front, but you have to pull up close to the garage to get to the sidewalk leading to the front door. IOW, you would see what's in the garage when you drove up the driveway to the sidewalk..

I absolutely disagree. I have a totally different perspective of the visual. When Meredith arrived, the garage door was more closed than open and she parked in the driveway closer to the street rather than pulling up further into the driveway; because the front entryway was at a half-way point to the garage!

[springflowers35]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Something caused sufficient and immediate concern in JY, for him to hire a lawyer, despite his faraway alibi. I think when he planned this, he fully intended to "cooperate with" LE, secure in his belief he was shielded by his alibi. Cassidy, having seen/heard him on that fateful night/morning and then uttering those devastating words, is what might have caused him to drastically alter his plans.

Cassidy might have been just as instrumental in bringing the focus to her mother's killer as Blake was in bringing the focus to his mother's killer, which ultimately led to Cutts' arrest.

IMO

Hey Paula!
I hadn't thought about him planning to cooperate and your scenario. Good thoughts.

Cassidy may well be what brought LE to obtain the search warrants they did. jmo

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by springflowers35


Hey Paula!
I hadn't thought about him planning to cooperate and your scenario. Good thoughts.

Cassidy may well be what brought LE to obtain the search warrants they did. jmo

Hi SF!

The airwaves are loaded with true crime shows, and everyone who watches them, knows one of the major red flags is refusing to cooperate with LE. I believe it was by design that JY "was hundreds of miles away" when Michelle was murdered, and likely felt secure.

I truly believe Cassidy was largely responsible for this investigation heading on the right path from the outset.

IMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Something caused sufficient and immediate concern in JY, for him to hire a lawyer, despite his faraway alibi. I think when he planned this, he fully intended to "cooperate with" LE, secure in his belief he was shielded by his alibi. Cassidy, having seen/heard him on that fateful night/morning and then uttering those devastating words, is what might have caused him to drastically alter his plans.

Cassidy might have been just as instrumental in bringing the focus to her mother's killer as Blake was in bringing the focus to his mother's killer, which ultimately led to Cutts' arrest.

IMO


It's also possible that Meredith might have spoken to Jason directly by phone before he returned to Raleigh from Brevard; she could have mentioned what Cassidy said or; perhaps LE did when and if they Briefly spoke to him?

I agree that Blake was instrumental in Cutts' arrest. However, I believe it was more instrumental in his having confessed and then leading LE to where he disposed of Jessie's body, prior to his actual arrest.

I believe Cassidy might be just as instrumental, but this case is apparently much more "complex" in spite of the fact that they have a body.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by agathachristie


I would have to go back and look exactly when the 911 tape was released . It's late and I'm far too lazy to look it up anyway . Should I put it on tomorrow's to -do list ?

IIRC, that tape was released very soon after the murder. I believed it was intentional and meant to intimidate JY, letting him know, and more importantly hear for himself, what Cassidy said.

I also believe he might have known about it even before the tape was released.

If it isn't too much trouble to research tomorrow, I'd be interested to know when the tape was first released. If it's time consuming, don't bother, Aggie.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by agathachristie


I would have to go back and look exactly when the 911 tape was released . It's late and I'm far too lazy to look it up anyway . Should I put it on tomorrow's to -do list ?

There were LOCAL people who had heard the unedited version before it was later edited for the majority of the general public.

At the time (within the first 48 hours), those local people were posting Here about what they had heard!

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints



It's also possible that Meredith might have spoken to Jason directly by phone before he returned to Raleigh from Brevard; she could have mentioned what Cassidy said or; perhaps LE did when and if they Briefly spoke to him?

I agree that Blake was instrumental in Cutts' arrest. However, I believe it was more instrumental in his having confessed and then leading LE to where he disposed of Jessie's body, prior to his actual arrest.

I believe Cassidy might be just as instrumental, but this case is apparently much more "complex" in spite of the fact that they have a body.

I'm not so sure about Meredith being the one to tell Jason what Cassidy said, but I think LE might have. My recollection is that the 911 tape was released rather quickly, and I think it was intentional. But I still think it was Cassidy's words which might have caused JY to lawyer-up.

In Jessie's case, I believe the same use of Blake's words, made public, was also LE's tool of intimidation to let Cutts know they knew what he did.

I believe the complexity in this case lies mainly in breaking Jason's alibi through independent corroboration of placing JY in Raleigh in lieu of Hillsvile at Michelle's TOD. In Jessie's case, Cutts' cell phone triangulation placed him near the crime scene and talking to his accomplice, IIRC.

IMO

[springflowers35]

You reckon Big Sis is jealous of her own sis right now? Is that why she projects? She could be driving the car, etc, etc.

[Surfside6]

Originally posted by JustFacts


Good question. All that would be needed is testimony of the LE rep who interviewed the child. If she really said Daddy did it, she'd have no problem repeating it for investigators, imo.

she did repeat it to others ...
imo

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I'm not so sure about Meredith being the one to tell Jason what Cassidy said, but I think LE might have. My recollection is that the 911 tape was released rather quickly, and I think it was intentional. But I still think it was Cassidy's words which might have caused JY to lawyer-up.

In Jessie's case, I believe the same use of Blake's words, made public, was also LE's tool of intimidation to let Cutts know they knew what he did.

I believe the complexity in this case lies mainly in breaking Jason's alibi through independent corroboration of placing JY in Raleigh in lieu of Hillsvile at Michelle's TOD. In Jessie's case, Cutts' cell phone triangulation placed him near the crime scene and talking to his accomplice, IIRC.

IMO

You could be right. However, I think the complexity of this investigation could possibly be a combo of things.

Raven Aboara hasn't been arrested. Do you think LE cannot break his alibi through independent corroboration?

I guess I'm just not willing to accept that these jerks are that smart.

Also, I'm curious to know how many times a GJ can hear from various witnesses on a particular case before an indictment is granted. Do you know? I don't understand the GJ stuff very well.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Surfside6


she did repeat it to others ...
imo

I'm very sad about that, but not surprised.

She sounded very assertive during the 911 call, and I assume the unedited & enhanced version is much more clear than anyone might otherwise imagine.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by springflowers35
You reckon Big Sis is jealous of her own sis right now? Is that why she projects? She could be driving the car, etc, etc.

I think it's possible that Big Sis got the jewelry and the tooth, and Little Sis got the car and custody of Cassidy; they both divided the Birchleaf furniture, and they both intended to reap benefits from the life insurance (unfortunately, that will never happen). They might share the profits from the eventual sale of the condo, but not likely any profits from the Birchleaf house.

I don't believe either one of them desires ownership of the old boat, and neither of them looks forward to regular visition of their brother when he's incarcerated. JMO.

eta: Maybe Big Sis will take ownership of the Ford Explorer after his arrest?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


You could be right. However, I think the complexity of this investigation could possibly be a combo of things.

Raven Aboara hasn't been arrested. Do you think LE cannot break his alibi through independent corroboration?

I guess I'm just not willing to accept that these jerks are that smart.

Also, I'm curious to know how many times a GJ can hear from various witnesses on a particular case before an indictment is granted. Do you know? I don't understand the GJ stuff very well.

I don't doubt there are other factors, but I think perhaps the main one might be attempting to prove JY wasn't asleep in VA when Michelle was murdered.

Raven was the person who found his pregnant wife, Janet, who had been brutally stabbed to death, as his infant son lay unharmed. He claimed he was playing soccer, IIRC, and discovered her body when he returned. He even spoke about owning knives. I have no doubt the narcissistic cheater murdered her.

There is no such thing as a perfect crime, only an imperfect investigation. LE might have bungled the Abaroa investigation, as most believe Raven is responsible. He's a shady character.

IMO

[alter ego]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I'm not so sure about Meredith being the one to tell Jason what Cassidy said, but I think LE might have. My recollection is that the 911 tape was released rather quickly, and I think it was intentional. But I still think it was Cassidy's words which might have caused JY to lawyer-up.

In Jessie's case, I believe the same use of Blake's words, made public, was also LE's tool of intimidation to let Cutts know they knew what he did.

I believe the complexity in this case lies mainly in breaking Jason's alibi through independent corroboration of placing JY in Raleigh in lieu of Hillsvile at Michelle's TOD. In Jessie's case, Cutts' cell phone triangulation placed him near the crime scene and talking to his accomplice, IIRC.

IMO
But it was Jason's step-father who was instrumental in Jason laywering up. Not a whisper about anything his granddaughter may or may not have said.

The 3 words some think were spoken were not said by Jason's daughter.

How are they going to bust Jason's alibi? If there was cell phone data placing him anywhere except his hotel room, or close proximity thereof, he would have been arrested. If there was ANYTHING placing him in close proximity of his home in the crucial hours of midnight to 6am, he would have been arrested. Maybe they can't bust his alibi because he never left his hotel room.

[alter ego]

Originally posted by JustFacts


I think they would have leaked it to the media to put pressure on Jason Young. I never heard those words, Daddy did it, btw.

Hard to hear something that wasn't said :shrug:

[alter ego]

Originally posted by agathachristie



So LE has no control over that ? I find that hard to believe . Can the LE edit it ? Release only parts they want the public to hear ? Who has jurisdiction over that , if you know ?
The Law is quite clear that 911 calls are public record. LE can request they not be released if the release of the info would impede the investigation OR interfere with the right to receive a fair trial.


(e) If a public law enforcement agency believes that release of information that is a public record under
subdivisions (c)(1) through (c)(5) of this section will jeopardize the right of the State to prosecute a
defendant or the right of a defendant to receive a fair trial or will undermine an ongoing or future
investigation, it may seek an order from a court of competent jurisdiction to prevent disclosure of the
information. In such action the law enforcement agency shall have the burden of showing by a
preponderance of the evidence that disclosure of the information in question will jeopardize the right of the
State to prosecute a defendant or the right of a defendant to receive a fair trial or will undermine an ongoing
or future investigation. Actions brought pursuant to this subsection shall be set down for immediate hearing,
and subsequent proceedings in such actions shall be accorded priority by the trial and appellate courts.
NC General Statute chapter 132 (http://www.scio.nc.gov/documents/docs_Active/Laws%20Relating%20to%20Use%20of%20State%20Computer %20Systems/NC/N.C.G.S.%20132-1.%20Public%20Records%20Law.pdf)

Hard to believe that some think LE investigating this case are so inept they would release 'daddy did it' to the public and pretty much guarantee a walk for Jason since his right to a fair trial would be violated. :shrug:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by alter ego


Hard to hear something that wasn't said :shrug:

It's hard to hear much of anything, if you're not listening!

:tongue:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by alter ego

The Law is quite clear that 911 calls are public record. LE can request they not be released if the release of the info would impede the investigation OR interfere with the right to receive a fair trial.

(snipped)

Hard to believe that some think LE investigating this case are so inept they would release 'daddy did it' to the public and pretty much guarantee a walk for Jason since his right to a fair trial would be violated. :shrug:

Did we miss the trial?

Apparently, you're getting a jump-start for his defense!