Michelle Young Tuesday 9/4/07 [Archive] - In Session Message Boards

Amy

09-04-2007, 11:14 AM

I agree about the investigations. Seems when a murder first occurs they have SCADS of detectives working on it. It would make sense for several teams of detectives to investigate along different lines. And not to stop the other lines just because one line (in this case, the hubby) stalls.

But, who knows. They might have done this. They aren't telling us. And, maybe they are still working on other angles...if the hair didn't come from someone living in that house, maybe they are looking at whom that might belong to. And, whatever else they may have that they are not telling the public about.

Still looking at other angles would also be a reason no arrest has been made yet.

lilismom

09-04-2007, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by purple

Got two threads going, so brought this from the other one.

I think it would be difficult for Jason to print a document to his home while sitting in a hotel, although it may be possible if he had his laptop set up for remote printing (not familiar with that myself).

It was printed in the hours before Michelle was found, so that probably means after 6 am (just a guess). I doubt that MM would be sending things to the Young's computer as there is a good chance that Michelle would intercept it. I think Jason had something to do with it being printed and that it was a ruse to get someone over to the house to check on C.

He would have been smarter if he had simply said that he'd been trying to reach Michelle, couldn't, and could someone check on her. It would still have raised suspicions, but not nearly as many as the fake urgent fax.

Right plus wouldn't MM know he wasn't there? I think she knew of his comings and goings. Why would she print something to his printer if she knew he wasn't there? Doesn't matter what time it was printed that day, she knew he wouldn't be there. Why print it then?

IMO,
Lilismom

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by purple

Got two threads going, so brought this from the other one.

I think it would be difficult for Jason to print a document to his home while sitting in a hotel, although it may be possible if he had his laptop set up for remote printing (not familiar with that myself).

It was printed in the hours before Michelle was found, so that probably means after 6 am (just a guess). I doubt that MM would be sending things to the Young's computer as there is a good chance that Michelle would intercept it. I think Jason had something to do with it being printed and that it was a ruse to get someone over to the house to check on C.

He would have been smarter if he had simply said that he'd been trying to reach Michelle, couldn't, and could someone check on her. It would still have raised suspicions, but not nearly as many as the fake urgent fax.

If JY would have printed it, or sent it to his printer, only to have Meredith retrieve it, that would appear as a blaring ruse to get Meredith over there. That's why I think it might have been MM who sent it, and JY called to have her intercept the "surprise" Coach bag printout before her sister had the opportunity to see it.

IMO

I'm really sorry about this Purple! When I started to post my thread, yours hadn't yet appeared. I tried to to delete mine immediately after posting it, but it won't allow me to do so. In the past, one was able to delete a thread they'd started provided it was within the edit time.

lilismom

09-04-2007, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

So.....if MM sent it to Jason's printer while he was out of town and then told him about it and he in turn called Meredith to retrieve it.....doesn't that mitigate the suspiciousness of that request?

Yes.

I don't believe MM had anything to do with the printout though. If they had daily contact, she would know he wasn't home. Makes no sense.

IMO,
Lilismom

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by purple

It's a computer printout. How could MM have access to the computer? I can understand that remote shared printing would work if the computer was configured to print to the IP address, but how could MM have done this without configuring her computer to have shared printing with the Youngs?

I don't understand how this could work?

I hadn't realized how simple it was to share one's printer. I got the idea from reading at this site:

http://www.printeranywhere.com/share-printer.sdf

lilismom

09-04-2007, 11:37 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hey Paula
[B]

If JY would have printed it, or sent it to his printer, only to have Meredith retrieve it, that would appear as a blaring ruse to get Meredith over there. That's why I think it might have been MM who sent it, and JY called to have her intercept the "surprise" Coach bag printout before her sister had the opportunity to see it.

IMO

So what are you thinking then Paula that instead of MF being the luckiest girl in the world to get the call about the printout that it was JY? MM called to say that she printed something to the printer and that became his reason to get someone over there to get CY? Otherwise he may have been forced to use the "I can't get a hold of Michelle" excuse?

IMO,
Lilismom

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

So.....if MM sent it to Jason's printer while he was out of town and then told him about it and he in turn called Meredith to retrieve it.....doesn't that mitigate the suspiciousness of that request?

Perhaps JY knew MM was going to send it, either because it was a gift from JY to her, which he'd told her to select and send info on, or that it was to be a surprise for Michelle. Even if the purse was a gift to MM, JY could always have Meredith believe it was for Michelle.

Perhaps he and MM had been in touch with one another during the time following his departure from Raleigh, so JY knew when she sent it.

If the printout came from MM, that document might have been what prompted LE to suspect JY and MM were having a relationship, causing them to seize JY's computer, speak to MM, and retrieve her computer as well.

IMO

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by purple

It still makes no sense that MM would have her computer configured to remotely print to the Young's home computer. The IP address would have been necessary ... and what would Steve and Michelle Y have thought when they were printing a document and the printer options included the Young's or Money's computer? Certainly that would have raised some serious questions.

How did JY and MM communicate daily, via emails and telecons, for 3 months, without raising suspicion from their respective spouses?

Perhaps it was Michelle and MM who originally thought about, and set up, the sharing of their printers for their own purposes.

IMO

Tacori

09-04-2007, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula
Good Morning Everyone! I hope you all had a wonderful holiday weekend!

Since the printout has the potential to be an important piece of evidence in this case, I thought it might be a good idea to thoroughly discuss it.

Inasmuch as it is said to have been printed in the hours before Michelle was discovered as having been murdered, if JY had forgotten it there, I believe he would have already been arrested, since he should have been in VA at that time. Therefore, I believe someone else sent it through JY's printer, and I'm thinking that person might have been MM.

IMO

Good morning, Hey Paula!

Just wondering how everyone would interpret these words from Chief of Operations Richard Johnson .

"The fax Jason asked Fisher to pick up was a computer printout of an item on the Internet, but Chief of Operations Richard Johnson wouldn't elaborate on what it was or when it was sent."
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"At 1:30pm on November 3, Michelle's sister, Meredith Fisher, entered the Young's home after receiving a voicemail from Jason earlier in the day, asking her to retrieve a fax from the home he shared with Michelle. When she arrived, she found Michelle's two and a half year old daughter alone in the house and Michelle dead on her bedroom floor."

http://www.raleighchronicle.com/2007080901.html

lilismom

09-04-2007, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by purple

It's a huge coincidence - but the request to pick up a printout about a purse or car does not seem like an urgent matter. So what if Michelle saw it ... it's easy enough to explain away. Jason could have said that he was thinking about making it a gift for his sister and wanted Michelle's opinion.

Exactly. This is why this is a HUGE deal to me. So what if she saw it?

Michelle - "what's this printout of a purse?"
Jason - "Surprise!"

Why the fuss?

The worst part is, some are trying to point this ugly finger at Meredith. If he did this, he used her and he knew she would go there. He knew she wouldn't want to disappoint her sister and blow the surprise. Yet some want us to believe she was jealous. If she was jealous, she would have let her find the printout and ruin the surprise. That's what mean spirited, jealous people do. They don't go out of their way on a "fluke" to pull a piece of paper off a printer.

IMO,
Lilismom

lilismom

09-04-2007, 12:05 PM

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Tacori

Good morning, Hey Paula!

Just wondering how everyone would interpret these words from Chief of Operations Richard Johnson .

"The fax Jason asked Fisher to pick up was a computer printout of an item on the Internet, but Chief of Operations Richard Johnson wouldn't elaborate on what it was or when it was sent."

"At 1:30pm on November 3, Michelle's sister, Meredith Fisher, entered the Young's home after receiving a voicemail from Jason earlier in the day, asking her to retrieve a fax from the home he shared with Michelle. When she arrived, she found Michelle's two and a half year old daughter alone in the house and Michelle dead on her bedroom floor."

http://www.raleighchronicle.com/2007080901.html

Hi Tacori!

When Michelle's murder was first reported, the word "fax" was used to describe the document. Subsequently, that was changed to a printout from the Young's computer. There is a big difference between the two, as a printout would imply someone was at the Young's printer, printing something from the internet.

It has been reported that the document was printed within hours of Michelle being found, so it couldn't have been Michelle who printed it. If JY printed it, he would have been arrested because he should have been in VA, not in the house. It is for this reason, I'm leaning towards MM sending that document.

IMO

lilismom

09-04-2007, 12:16 PM

I can't think of anyone that I would want to send something to and have it printout on their computer. I would expect that they could decide whether or not to print for themselves.

As for almost daily emails and phone calls, I suppose many people that are having extra-marital affairs get away with it for a long time. [/QUOTE]

Snipped.

Unless.....it was a print out of an email with the picture. Maybe the email had something written on it like "hey love, check out this purse, I wish you were buying this for me". Would explain why LE thought there was something going on between MM and JY. Wouldn't make any sense to have Meredith find it for that reason though. Maybe he figured she would never actually see the print out with everything else she found there? And then, with Michelle gone, a "relationship" with another woman is really low on the list of the family's worries.

Interesting thoughts so far today gang. Keep em comin!

IMO,
Lilismom

lilismom

09-04-2007, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

It has been reported that the document was printed within hours of Michelle being found, so it couldn't have been Michelle who printed it. If JY printed it, he would have been arrested because he should have been in VA, not in the house. It is for this reason, I'm leaning towards MM sending that document.

IMO [/B]

Snipped.

So do you think Michelle Young might have printed it, he saw it and the rest is history?

IMO,
Lilismom

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by lilismom

Maybe Paula but to me it still makes no sense. Just as easy to attach to an email and print on your own end.

IMO,

Lilismom

Hi Lilismom!

If the document was printed from the internet, within hours of Michelle being found murdered, and JY was in VA (or he would have already been arrested if LE could prove he was in the house printing the document), whom do you believe sent that printout?

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by TMcgraw

It would stand to reason that JY might have remote printing capabilities, and he sent it from wherever he was, maybe when checking out of this hotel.

At one point it was even talked about that he printed it before he left.

Yes, I agree that JY would have remote printing capabilities, but what reason would he have, without drawing full blown suspicion upon himself, to send the document to his printer and then call Meredith to retrieve it?

If it's true that the document was printed within hours of Meredith's arrival, finding Michelle murdered, then JY couldn't have printed it before he left.

IMO

Tacori

09-04-2007, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Hi Tacori!

When Michelle's murder was first reported, the word "fax" was used to describe the document. Subsequently, that was changed to a printout from the Young's computer. There is a big difference between the two, as a printout would imply someone was at the Young's printer, printing something from the internet.

It has been reported that the document was printed within hours of Michelle being found, so it couldn't have been Michelle who printed it. If JY printed it, he would have been arrested because he should have been in VA, not in the house. It is for this reason, I'm leaning towards MM sending that document.

IMO

Perhaps that's were the confusion lies? The article I linked was written 8-16-07 I believe. They are still calling it a fax of a computer printout.

In my office, the printer, copier and fax are all in one. That's what is hooked up to my computer.

JMO

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by Tacori

Perhaps that's were the confusion lies? The article I linked was written 8-16-07 I believe. They are still calling it a fax of a computer printout.

In my office, the printer, copier and fax are all in one. That's what is hooked up to my computer.

JMO

I agree with you, Tacori. IIRC, even in the most recent article about this case, the word "fax" was used again.

I have an All In One printer attached to my computer, which allows me to scan a document and attach it to an email, fax, copy, and scan to a file.

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
The SW says the document came from the PC next the printer at the house.

I'm interested in your take on this AE. Where do you think the document originated and whom do you believe caused it to be printed?

TIA

lilismom

09-04-2007, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
The SW says the document came from the PC next the printer at the house.

So they know the exact time the document was printed and are choosing not to reveal it. At the very least they know what time the last thing was printed.

Could very well have been Michelle Young that printed it, he saw it and then used it to get MF over there.

Gotta hope the voice mail to MF was retrieved. Phone records all the way around are key.

IMO,
Lilismom

cognac

09-04-2007, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

How did JY and MM communicate daily, via emails and telecons, for 3 months, without raising suspicion from their respective spouses?

Perhaps it was Michelle and MM who originally thought about, and set up, the sharing of their printers for their own purposes.

IMO

I share an email with my husband but I also have my own personal email with another server that he does not know about.
Couldn't jy have a laptop with a password that Michelle didn't know? He could have said it was for business only. If this guy is deceitful enough to have a 3 month relationship with his wife's best friend, I'm sure he came up with something for private email.

If MM was involved in this printout, when do you suppose she sent this? In the middle of the nite?

lilismom

09-04-2007, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Well, the SW says it came from that PC next to the printer in the home office.

And since Jason asked Meredith to pick it up, he obviously knew about it.

So....

either.... he printed it before he left, which seems to fall outside the 'hours before' window when LE said it was printed.

or....it was printed in the TOD window making Jason's knowledge of it very strong CE of his culpability which would have resulted in his arrest.

or....it was printed by one of the Grey's Anatomy guests at the Young house on 11/2 who in turn advised Jason that it had been printed.

Maybe the TOD window is too wide open to make a strong connection to the printout? What is the latest time frame anyway?

If GA printed it, why did they leave it there?

IMO,
Lilismom

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Well, the SW says it came from that PC next to the printer in the home office.

And since Jason asked Meredith to pick it up, he obviously knew about it.

So....

either.... he printed it before he left, which seems to fall outside the 'hours before' window when LE said it was printed.

or....it was printed in the TOD window making Jason's knowledge of it very strong CE of his culpability which would have resulted in his arrest.

or....it was printed by one of the Grey's Anatomy guests at the Young house on 11/2 who in turn advised Jason that it had been printed.

Thanks, AE.

I agree with your thoughts, especially the first two options. However, why would something the GA guests printed cause the urgency of JY calling Meredith to retrieve it?

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

A s/w has already stated the document was printed from the computer attached to the printer. We know Jason and the GA friend were in the home.

It's LE's description of the timeframe (within hours of Michelle being found) of that printout which causes me to discount it being JY printing it prior to his departure from Raleigh.

lilismom

09-04-2007, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

It's LE's description of the timeframe (within hours of Michelle being found) of that printout which causes me to discount it being JY printing it prior to his departure from Raleigh.

I appreciate the pleasant flow of the discussion here today. Its refreshing :).

I am leaning more and more toward Michelle Young having printed that purse picture and they can't lock down the time of death to the time of the print out close enough to put him there.

IMO,
Lilismom

lilismom

09-04-2007, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Since we don't really know what the content of the printout is, it's hard to surmise why Jason wanted it to be kept secret from Michelle.

btw, I added another option.....

It had to be something innocent, why else send her sister to retrieve it?

IMO,
Lilismom

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by lilismom

I appreciate the pleasant flow of the discussion here today. Its refreshing :).

I am leaning more and more toward Michelle Young having printed that purse picture and they can't lock down the time of death to the time of the print out close enough to put him there.

IMO,
Lilismom

I, too, am very much enjoying today's discussion. It's constructive because I think that document has the potential to play heavily in this case.

But if Michelle printed it, why would JY call Meredith to ask her to retrieve it?

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Since we don't really know what the content of the printout is, it's hard to surmise why Jason wanted it to be kept secret from Michelle.

btw, I added another option.....

I don't see the other option AE. I only saw three (3).

lilismom

09-04-2007, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

I, too, am very much enjoying today's discussion. It's constructive because I think that document has the potential to play heavily in this case.

But if Michelle printed it, why would JY call Meredith to ask her to retrieve it?

Maybe she printed it and left it sitting around the home office. He happened to see it and slipped it back into the printer hatching the plan to get MF there to care for CY the next day.

It doesn't work if he printed it himself before he left. MM sending it to their printer doesn't work, IMO. The GA friend printing it, calling him and then leaving it there and then him sending MF there to get it doesn't make any sense either. I don't think its weird for the GA friend to have been on the computer or printing, I just think it is weird for them to have left it there, especially if it was about the purse surprise for Michelle.

The last option is he printed it himself when he went back to the house and they can't close the window between the TOD and the time of the printout. Yea, they could arrest him, but would you convict him based on that alone?

IMO,
Lilismom

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

LE didn't use "within hours" did they? I thought they used "in the hours"? Either way, it's a description that doesn't include or exclude anyone, imo.

You're right. It could include anyone. I guess it's because Michelle wasn't discovered as having been murdered, until many hours after JY left for his trip which had me thinking along other lines.

But if it was JY who printed it before he left, and Michelle was home, she would have likely seen it anyway, so the urgency to get Meredith over there appears more suspect.

This is likely what caused LE to suspect JY so early on, despite his alibi of being hundreds of miles away.

IMO

Tacori

09-04-2007, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

It's LE's description of the timeframe (within hours of Michelle being found) of that printout which causes me to discount it being JY printing it prior to his departure from Raleigh.

I'll throw another one in.

Perhaps he did print it from the home computer the night before and took it with him. At some point, he faxed it from a location to the house. Perhaps between 12am and 6am?

JMO

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Tacori

I'll throw another one in.

Perhaps he did print it from the home computer the night before and took it with him. At some point, he faxed it from a location to the house. Perhaps between 12am and 6am?

JMO

While all of these things make JY appear more suspicious, I suppose if he killed Michelle, he had no other choice but to get someone over there not only to look after Cassidy, but so that he wouldn't be the one to discover Michelle had been murdered.

IMO

Tacori

09-04-2007, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
I don't think LE would describe it was a web paged printed from that PC if it was actually a fax

That's where it's confusing I think. As recent as 8-16-07, they are still calling it a fax so I don't know.

"The fax Jason asked Fisher to pick up was a computer printout of an item on the Internet, but Chief of Operations Richard Johnson wouldn't elaborate on what it was or when it was sent."

lilismom

09-04-2007, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

And why would the sister agree to do so unless she also thought it was important that Michelle not see it also. :shrug:

She didn't want to ruin Michelle's surprise, so she went. Innocent enough.

Voice mail content to MF and phone records are key. I hope they have the voice mail and I'm sure they have all phone records by now.

If the printout is the clincher then, what is the hold up? The timing? ME can't say for sure exactly when Michelle died? They do know though exactly when the last thing was printed from the Young's home computer. So, even if he did go back to the house for some reason, to fight with her, because he forgot something, they can't put him there "then". Hmmm.

I'm LOVIN this board today!

IMO,
Lilismom

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Well, the SW says it came from that PC next to the printer in the home office.

And since Jason asked Meredith to pick it up, he obviously knew about it.

So....

either.... he printed it before he left, which seems to fall outside the 'hours before' window when LE said it was printed.

or....it was printed in the TOD window making Jason's knowledge of it very strong CE of his culpability which would have resulted in his arrest.

or....it was printed by one of the Grey's Anatomy guests at the Young house on 11/2 who in turn advised Jason that it had been printed.

or....MY printed it and told Jason about it when he called upon his arrival at the hotel (assuming that rumor is accurate)

I found it AE.

IF Michelle had already seen it because she printed it, why would JY send Meredith there to retrieve it, especially if he was scheduled to return home that evening?

WonderingInSC

09-04-2007, 01:50 PM

lilismom

09-04-2007, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

I think it was a document that was printed, then faxed.

Interesting. Faxed to or from the Young home? By whom and where to?

IMO,
Lilismom

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

I think it was a document that was printed, then faxed.

That would certainly explain why the document was labeled as both a printout and a fax.

Can you supply a scenario of who might have done so and why, and what the urgency might have been to retrieve it?

TIA

lilismom

09-04-2007, 01:53 PM

Tacori

09-04-2007, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

Some good questions raised today !

All this time I have assumed that the printout was a *purse* .

Where did that originate from initially ?

I believe JTF's was one of the first ones to talk about the purse. According to her, it was for their 3rd anniversary, which is leather.

JMO

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor
The document was in fact a web page showing Coach bags. JY printed this from the internet around 7 pm while the GA was there. There was no fax, e-mail or remote printing.

This info came from my local source that was directly told by JY prior to the funeral and confirmed by GA girl, as he showed it to her. imo

That makes sense because JY probably told Meredith the bag was to be a surprise for Michelle, and that he'd forgotten to take it with him so Michelle wouldn't see it.

Leaving that printout there, then calling Meredith to retrieve it, will likely play into part of a premeditation theory, if JY is charged with Michelle's murder.

IMO

richmondmom

09-04-2007, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

I found it AE.

IF Michelle had already seen it because she printed it, why would JY send Meredith there to retrieve it, especially if he was scheduled to return home that evening?

Maybe the printout (or fax) was for Meredith. JY printed whateveritwas for MF and later called to say it was ready to be picked up?

lilismom

09-04-2007, 02:07 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ALTER EG0
[B]
If there was an urgency to get Meredith over there, one would think he would have called her numerous times to see when she was going to get over there. As it stands, there was a 6 hour gap between his voice mail request and her arrival at the house with no mention in any of the SWs about his repeated attempts to get Meredith over there :shrug:

Is there a definite time of the VM to Meredith?

I think to keep callng her over and over about a purse would be even more suspicious. Imagine if it was you answering the repeated calls? Wouldn't you be like "alright already over a frickin purse, I'm going".

I don't think he kept calling her. I think he turned his phone off or was letting calls go directly to VM. I don't think he wanted to be questioned about it. I don't think he wanted to explain in detail how the printout got there. Too many questions. It is what makes it so sad. He used Meredith. He knew she would go. He knew she wouldn't disappoint Michelle. Even if she knew about the purse beforehand. He knew she would go.

IMO,
Lilismom

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

If there was an urgency to get Meredith over there, one would think he would have called her numerous times to see when she was going to get over there. As it stands, there was a 6 hour gap between his voice mail request and her arrival at the house with no mention in any of the SWs about his repeated attempts to get Meredith over there :shrug:

People closest to the victim are always in the suspect spotlight at the onset of an investigation, so it's really not surprising that they looked at Jason. What is surprising is the accusatory manner in which they did (assuming that rumor is true).

It has been said that JY checked his vm often, and it has even been rumored that he called his MIL. If this is true, it seems reasonable since several hours had elapsed from the time JY allegedly left a message for Meredith to retrieve the document, to the time Meredith actually arrived at the house.

IMO

richmondmom

09-04-2007, 02:15 PM

It may not have been to make US batty, but maybe the killer? All involved were told specifically not to talk about this case to people. I believe that is why the Brevard friend inserted himself so much into this case. He wants information.

Originally posted by Andy Taylor
The document was in fact a web page showing Coach bags. JY printed this from the internet around 7 pm while the GA was there. There was no fax, e-mail or remote printing.

This info came from my local source that was directly told by JY prior to the funeral and confirmed by GA girl, as he showed it to her. imo

Well AndyTaylor's "source" is talking. Now is that source believable or just someone who badly wants attention? Or are folks allowed to talk to whoever but only AT's source is doing so?

richmondmom

09-04-2007, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by TMcgraw

I do know people were asked to keep things on the down low. I also know some people still talk. Human nature maybe? jmo

The issue becomes who is telling the truth, who is speculating and who is outright lying? Since LE is not talking publicly it is hard to tell what rumors may be fact or which one are pure fiction.

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

That certainly would explain her agreement to go by the house and pick it up. But that wouldn't really make her being at the house a 'fluke' though, would it?

The word "fluke" was used because when this crime was first reported, it was said that JY had never asked Meredith to go to the house to retrieve a document in the past.

IMO

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

who said that?

When news of this crime first broke, the media (TV) reported that this was the first time JY had ever asked Meredith to retrieve a document. So, I can see why Meredith used the word "fluke".

IMO

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

I don't recall any news article ever reporting such a fact.

Not a news article. TV reports.

This crime was widely reported on TV when it first occurred last November.

ETA: In fact, it was because JY had never made such a request of Meredith in the past, that this request was viewed with suspicion.

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

This info has been posted before, it is not new info. JY told his friends different things before the funeral and before he totally clammed up ---to everyone. In addition, GA girl was shown the print out after she arrived and MF was bathing CY. He then laid it on the printer and said he 'forgot' about it until later Thursday night. Hence the call Friday am to MF.

You all can argue and debate this all day long. It was a web page print-out he was using to get 'opinions' from MM, MF, GA girl and another unnamed friend. Yes, this was part of the plan to cover his plan for getting MF to go to the house. She and 3 friends would vouch for the 'secrecy" and make the call to MF sound believable and legit. imo

Your post makes a lot of sense, and I can't argue with something which sounds so logical and reasonable.

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

And because you state it, it must be true? :lol:

If this was his *plan* of secrecy that invovlved four people, it certainly has been effective. 10+ months and no arrest of JY.

If JY did commit this crime, he would need a reason to get Meredith over the house, to discover Michelle's body and get Cassidy out of the house. It makes sense that he would plan it in such a way that it would appear as a reasonable request to those who might be willing to overlook the coincidence factor.

IMO

Surfside6

09-04-2007, 03:19 PM

andy,
did you mean to say MY was bathing CY or was MF there that night when GA arrived?

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

I agree that many people don't get along with their MIL.

It's a bit of a stretch to accuse the SIL of murder just because you don't get along .

I suspect there was trouble in paradise and some people knew it.

JMO

I agree that the marriage was more than likely troubled. I think we might hear about multiple infidelities on the part of JY, and of inconsiderate behavior towards Michelle, which is a hurtful experience for a mother to witness, and could very well cause a rift in the relationship between a MIL and a SIL.

IMO

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

And yet the case remains unsolved :shrug:

Officially, the case remains unsolved. However, I did not get the feeling from reading any of LE's statements that they are clueless about who might have committed this crime. Instead, I believe they are shoring up their case for a successful prosecution.

IMO

WonderingInSC

09-04-2007, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
And if the rumor about the doc being about a surprise purse for their 3rd wedding anniversary is true, how on earth could Jason have ever called her in the past to keep a 3rd ann'y gift a surprise by retrieving a doc?

She said it was a fluke, she doesn't normally come there during the day. Nothing about running an errand to get a doc or anything. :shrug:

Another item that makes it odd is that their anniversary had passed three weeks before.... so I would think he would have been happy letting her know that he planned to finally buy her something... just a thought.

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

They can do that after an arrest. As it stands, LE has stated publically that the case remains unsolved and they are still looking for leads and hope the PE rewards brings in more info.

If the DA's case isn't ready for trial, JY's lawyer can push for a speedy trial, so I can understand why JY hasn't yet been arrested.

IMO

WonderingInSC

09-04-2007, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by TMcgraw
Alter Ego

So if a perp did a really good job of covering his butt, and makes the case hard to PROVE, you just think that that means they are innocent after 10 months because the case has not gone to trial?

He will be innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I am sure the DA's office is peddling backwards trying to figure out how to prove that JY could have done such a thing...
It would be interesting if, since it was in People's magazine, and there is an arrest, this case will be televised... what do you all think after following this so closely?
If JY is arrested....?

lilismom

09-04-2007, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

Thanks, AE.
The reporter makes it sound as though she spoke directly to MF if she's relaying MF's "thoughts." I wonder if MF expressed these "thoughts" to police? Was she implicating JY from the get-go?

Maybe they just asked her to define "fluke". Something like, ya know, now that I think about it, he has never asked me to come here for anything like this before.

IMO,
Lilismom

Deet

09-04-2007, 03:46 PM

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=local&id=4733493

Young's sister, Meredith Fisher, showed up at the house Friday to pick up a fax for her brother-in-law, investigators said. Fisher said she expected her pregnant sister to be at work. That's when she discovered the body and called 911. She told dispatchers there was "blood everywhere."

"I just came here on a fluke," Fisher told the 911 dispatcher. "I usually don't come here during the day. She shouldn't be at home. She should be at work."

lilismom

09-04-2007, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Where is 'urgency' coming from?

If you think Jason printed it, but not before he left for his out of town sales meeting, do you think he klled her and printed it off before or after the murder?

I guess we'll see how "urgent" his tone was, when and if the VM is heard.

If he didn't think it was urgent though, why send MF at all? Why not take your chances that Michelle would be too busy to be on the computer or in the office to see the document if he just innocently left it there by mistake? So what if she saw it, oh well, surprise ruined. I think she'd forgive him for the screw up when her coach bag arrived.

IMO,
Lilismom

lilismom

09-04-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
I didn't see where she was interviewed in that segemnt.

I don't know that she was. I was trying to give a possible reason for the Casarez quote.

IMO,
Lilismom

WonderingInSC

09-04-2007, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by Gracia

ALTER, here is the link to confirm that Jason L.Young is indeed named as a POI.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/13/earlyshow/main2175238.shtml

JY is named as a suspect... not a POI
From the above link:
Brown said "Jason Young is "definitely a suspect" in his wife's murder. "

Also, I noticed the next statement from that article. It makes me wonder if the reason JY called Meredith to get the "fax," and help with CY, maybe he thought he would get "caught" that is, if he is the one who did it...

"Sometimes people who kill someone and are waiting for someone to find that person to get it over with, or perhaps the child is in the house and they want the child found. That's suspicious, as well. Police will look heavily at this guy to be sure he has a perfect alibi."

lilismom

09-04-2007, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Which is why I don't buy into the whole coach purse saga.

Will be interesting to find out what exactly was on that printout that was so important to get JY to call MF to go get it and to get MF to go.

Add it to the list of things we may never know. Long list.

IMO,
Lilismom

WonderingInSC

09-04-2007, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
I would much prefer a televised trial or transcripts than some reporters 'take' on what was said on the stand and all the commentary. I hated watching the OJ trial and then seeing the news reports that didn't accurately reflect what happened on the stand or in the courtroom.

You are right. I read the transcripts and didn't watch that trial - I was afraid to.
BUT as you said, the news reports are not always what really happened in any case. We would hear what the media wants us to hear, unless we were able to watch it. I must be honest, I probably wouldn't watch it, would just follow everyone's discussion on here or on the news at night...
Would you watch this one?

WonderingInSC

09-04-2007, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Yes I would.

so I could read your posts at night... <grin> I run a business, so I would be too emotional to watch it and still be around clients/employees, etc.
(yes, ReedJ, a woman can run a business, WOW) hee hee

Amy

09-04-2007, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by purple

But why would MM be sending something to the Young's computer? Why would she have her computer configured to remotely print to that IP address? Why would she be sending a picture of a purse at that time in the morning? She would have known that Jason was away (since they were communicating almost daily), so why would she risk Michelle finding the printout?

I'm going with this coming from Jason. I think he may have remotely printed to his IP address using his laptop. He could have used the ruse of 'not being able to get hold of Michelle', but that would have looked strange at 7 in the morning - not exactly enough time to have tried very hard to contact her - but the fax is a reason for Meredith to go to the house that early.

Sending a fax wouldn't require the computer's IP address would it? Faxes are usually sent to what look like phone numbers.

Deet

09-04-2007, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

MF isn't an executive. Seems to be in the same rut four years later, imo.

I'd call sitting on the internet all day, disparraging the family of a murder victim a rut. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Amy

09-04-2007, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Hi Tacori!

When Michelle's murder was first reported, the word "fax" was used to describe the document. Subsequently, that was changed to a printout from the Young's computer. There is a big difference between the two, as a printout would imply someone was at the Young's printer, printing something from the internet.

It has been reported that the document was printed within hours of Michelle being found, so it couldn't have been Michelle who printed it. If JY printed it, he would have been arrested because he should have been in VA, not in the house. It is for this reason, I'm leaning towards MM sending that document.

IMO

If MM could send something to the Young's printer "remotely" then, could not Jason's laptop be configured to to the same?

It would seem to me (but I am so very computer illiterate) that, if JY would have to be in the house to manage the printer, then so would MM have to have been.

Amy

09-04-2007, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by purple

Even with remote printing, he would have been using his laptop. That would have allowed him to send from pretty much anywhere - although I bet there's an IP address connected with where it came from.

As for being printed before he left - I don't think that's possible. The police said before Michelle was found, not the evening before.

But, if he killed her, he could have printed it at the house before or after he murdered her. If this was a well-tho't out planned murder, it might be something on his "list" of things to do while at the murder scene.

item #?????
Print (insert whatever here) on the computer to have Meredith check on, to get her to the house.

Amy

09-04-2007, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by TMcgraw

Why do you think it became important the next day if he printed it before he left? She had roughly 12 hours to have seen it already. Why did it become urgent the next day when she was going to be out and about anyway?

He would know that Michelle could not tell Meredith that it had been printed out and that she had seen it (if she came across it while she was on the computer that evening. Was she at the PC next to the printer?) It would be important to have a document there, if that is the excuse he used to get Meredith there.

And, in all the confusion and sorrow and upset that would ensue after Michelle was discovered---perhaps he figured that the fax/computer printout would be lost in the aftermath. Or, maybe he figured no one would be able to tell when it was printed. Of course, if he showed it to GA friend, he would be taking the chance of her telling LE he had shown it to her the evening before.

Amy

09-04-2007, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

I found it AE.

IF Michelle had already seen it because she printed it, why would JY send Meredith there to retrieve it, especially if he was scheduled to return home that evening?

It would work as an excuse to get Meredith to the house, regardless of who actually printed it. I guess all LE knows (or at least is saying) is that it came from the printer right there. How to prove who printed it? Michelle sure can't tell anyone if she did or didn't.

WonderingInSC

09-04-2007, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

Have you noticed it got in the press about the emails to and from MM ,it got into the press about possible blood spots on Jason's car door.How odd that it hasn't gotten into the press about what the emails said,if it was really blood on the car.LE are using the press to get out bad information about JY ,when that information goes nowhere ,as apparently this information has gone nowhere ,no leaks ,mums the word. LE want the public to think JY killed his wife. They can't find who did and they want to solve this case even to the point of convicting the wrong person. IMO

or maybe the testing, new info discovered that the LE doesn't want to publicize until they arrest the suspect... that would help keeping an untainted jury in a not very big County.

Amy

09-04-2007, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE

The reason I didn`t think the document important for so long is,I was thinking perhaps it was a document pertaining to his new job and he had left it at home,maybe when he was getting his notes together is when he realized this. He then tried to call Michelle to send him the fax and got no answer.Thinking she had left for her work or apt. which ever,he called Meredith to run get it and fax it to him. Something Innocent. I really am stumped. Did Meredith say that it was something he didn`t want Michelle to see or was that a assumption?

Of course, we aren't getting the entire conversation between LE and Meredith, just what LE reported to the media. But, there wasn't any mention of "Jason couldn't reach Michelle, so he asked me to get it for him."

For the life of me, I can't remember if it was reported in the media that he had said it was something he didn't want Michelle to see, or if that was info we learned from insiders at the beginning of the case.

Amy

09-04-2007, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

I think he left it face down on the fax glass. If that's the case, Michelle would not have immediately seen it.

I also think a big reason LE suspected JY early on is because Michelle's parent was pointing the finger at him.

The initial reason is, IMO, because that is where the investigations start--with those closest to the victim.

At what point was her parent pointing the finger? She really hasn't said anything to the press. And, of course, LE hasn't said that, that I have read. Did she think that even at the time of the funeral? Or from the time she learned Michelle was murdered?

And, if she was pointing the finger at Jason, perhaps, when Michelle had visited in NY, or even in phone conversations or emails with her parent, she must have expressed some concern over the state of her marriage?

I guess I am wondering what information her parent has that hasn't been made public that would make her think Jason did it? If it hasn't been made public, guess that was a dumb question, tho.

TIA

tiny paw-prints

09-04-2007, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Captain Joe

I like to think it gives you a little insight into the character of the woman. You might want to also check out her Livejournal friend, cmpooh11. Ain't she the same girl who was her room mate in Raleigh at the time of the murder? She's even wilder than Mere. I think the Yahoo profile tells a lot about Mere.

Captain, Captain, Captain...

I think each of your posts shed a lot of insight into your character.

For example; copied/pasted from pages 4-6:

Meredith's Livejournal
Meredith's Livejournal from 2003:
http://mixie118.livejournal.com/profile?mode=full

Check out this entry where she describes her "high" life of dope:
http://mixie118.livejournal.com/

Calls her mother a "Leezard" Lizard?

Guess she still likes big tippers and bad boyz and occasionally partakes of funny looking cigarettes.

Guess she couldn't stand her mother, either.

Check out her Yahoo profile:
http://profiles.yahoo.com/mixie118

Is it possible for you to make a single post about your preference of topic? TIA

WonderingInSC

09-04-2007, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

I think its fair his bringing this to the board. This was only 3 years from the time of MY's murder. Shows MF had a dark side.Shows her general demeanor with the world.Even though its locked ,we know she still is doing the same thing.Remember it wasn't locked until sometime after Michelle was murdered.Calling her mother a Leezard,same mother that later bought her a house. How she must have hated beautiful Michelle.IMO

People change so much in their early twenties. I partied too, graduated from college when I was 21, waited tables, traveled and played a lot, etc.
Took on a career at 21, since I got food poisoning from dinner one night at the beach. Couldn't wait tables anymore. By the time I was 26, I had bought my first home, and started my own company. I grew way up... everyone does.
Most teens think their parents are "stupid" until they realize how smart their parents really are when they turn around 21 or so.
MF's yahoo account is not even current. Her myspace account had to be locked so people on CTV couldn't get to it since someone spilled the beans and invaded a victim's sister's life. That is sick.
Sorry - I don't agree at all.

Amy

09-04-2007, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by lilismom

I guess we'll see how "urgent" his tone was, when and if the VM is heard.

If he didn't think it was urgent though, why send MF at all? Why not take your chances that Michelle would be too busy to be on the computer or in the office to see the document if he just innocently left it there by mistake? So what if she saw it, oh well, surprise ruined. I think she'd forgive him for the screw up when her coach bag arrived.

IMO,
Lilismom

The only urgency would be to get someone to the house to discover Michelle and rescue their daughter.

tiny paw-prints

09-04-2007, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

And you wonder why Jason is keeping his daughter away from her. Well ,we need wonder no more. IMO

I wasn't aware that smokin' a little dope is far worse than murdering your spouse.

macduff

09-04-2007, 06:20 PM

I note that some posters, citing Sheriff Harrison's statement in the Raleigh Chronicle article, maintain that JY is not a suspect in this case. I beg to differ.

Fact- According to an article written by Emily Kiser, published in the Raleigh Chronicle on August 16, 2007, Sheriff Donnie Harrison stated that Jason Young has not been named a suspect or a person of interest.

http://www.raleighchronicle.com/2007080901.html

Fact- On November 7, 2006, First Assistant District Attorney Howard Cummings and Deputy Sheriff D. Scott Booth swore, under oath before the Honorable Donald W. Stephens, that there are reasonable grounds to suspect JY committed the murder.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2007/01/11/1133639/MichelleYoungLifeInsurance.swf

Questions- Do you think that LE no longer has reason to suspect JY committed the murder? If so, why do you think that JY has not filed a NCGS § 15A‑280 motion?

Fact- North Carolina General Statutes § 15A‑280 provides, in relevant part that "within 90 days after the nontestimonial identification procedure, a return must be made to the judge who issued the order ... If, at the time of the return, probable cause does not exist to believe that the person has committed the offense ..., the person named in the affidavit is entitled to move that the authorized judge issue an order directing that the products and reports of the nontestimonial identification procedures, and all copies thereof, be destroyed. The motion must, except for good cause shown, be granted."

http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_15A/GS_15A-280.html

Questions- If there is no reason to suspect JY committed the murder, much less probable cause to arrest JY for the murder, why do you think JY has not filed a NCGS § 15A‑280 motion in the last 6+ months? If granted, the results of the NTIO would be destroyed. If denied, JY-through the prosecution's showing of good cause-would, at the least, receive some information about the investigation of his wife's murder. Why do you think JY has not filed the motion-what is he to lose if LE has no probable cause to arrest him?

Fact- According to an article written by Amanda Lamb, published on WRAL.com on February 7, 2007, District Attorney Colon Willoughby stated that LE is in no rush to make an arrest but that they are focused on a proper and thorough investigation. Said Willoughby, "It takes a lot of self-discipline not to just jump at something where there might be probable cause but to get all of the information..."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1196458/

For the sake of those who care about Michelle and read this message board, I sincerely hope that these facts and questions help foster a more serious discussion of this investigation. I would love to read serious answers to these questions. Quite frankly, IMO the rumor mongering, pedantry and obfuscation on this board is sickening.

I apologize for the length of this post, and I apologize to anyone reading this post in good faith who is offended.

Have a good evening.

Amy

09-04-2007, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

I think its fair his bringing this to the board. This was only 3 years from the time of MY's murder. Shows MF had a dark side.Shows her general demeanor with the world.Even though its locked ,we know she still is doing the same thing.Remember it wasn't locked until sometime after Michelle was murdered.Calling her mother a Leezard,same mother that later bought her a house. How she must have hated beautiful Michelle.IMO

One mention about living with her mother. My 19 y/o dd isn't all that excited about still living at home--can see where a then 22 y/o girl wouldn't be thrilled, either.

Didn't see ANY reference to Michelle, and how she felt about her or their relationship, or jealousy or anything.

People do change over the course of time. I remember partying back in my youth. I quit that scene by 24, 25 years of age. Many people I know also did. I know people who are 25 or so now, who used to party hardy---but you wouldn't know it from they way they are today.

Also, just because one has friends who party, doesn't mean that they also are into all the partying.

Amy

09-04-2007, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

I've been told by one of Michelle's friends that even before the funeral LF made it very clear to family and friends that she suspected Jason. I assume she expressed the same opinion to LE although you're right, LE has not said.

Thanks.

Guess her reasons for thinking this probably won't come out unless the person they put on trial for the murder is Jason, tho.

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

I've been told by one of Michelle's friends that even before the funeral LF made it very clear to family and friends that she suspected Jason. I assume she expressed the same opinion to LE although you're right, LE has not said.

If that's true, LF must have a good reason for suspecting her SIL.

IMO

tiny paw-prints

09-04-2007, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

Because his attorney knows such a filing is unnecessary. If the results of the NTIO are exculpatory, the results will still need to be used at the killer's trial to explain why JY dropped off LE's radar as a suspect.

Jason was to appear for the NTIO at 4pm? on the day prior to his actually showing up.

How do you know for sure that JY's attorney didn't file an ex parte motion on the morning before the actual NTIO took place?

tiny paw-prints

09-04-2007, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

IIRC, 90 days after the NTIO, SWs were issued showing aforementioned probable cause. :read:

Agree, for example;

February? the therapist's in-camera?

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Or they hated each other and this, IF TRUE, is just a manifestation of that hate.

I don't think it's "normal" for a mother to hate a SIL who is a good husband to her daughter. It is every loving mother's wish for her daughter to marry a man who will love and cherish her. Such a SIL is loved and appreciated, not hated.

IMO

JD1974

09-04-2007, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

If he had a myspace page you might just be :eek: at what you would find about goody Booty Boy.:D

So let me get this straight, you can call Jason names that he had in college on the board, because you think he is the murderer. On the other hand, if someone brings up what Meredith did in college and what she still does now, that is not ok, because you don't think she is the murderer...talk about double standards. And FWIW I don't believe in smoking a little dope, it is an illegal drug for petes sake. Is it also ok for minors to drink as long as they only drink a few beers? IMO

tiny paw-prints

09-04-2007, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Mothers hating the men their daughter's marry and the husband hating the mother of their wife is common place. So much so, it's fodder for comedy routines.

Are you saying that Jason killed his pregnant wife because he hated his mother-in-law?

I do know of some mothers who hire investigators to follow their SIL or soon-to-be SIL. It's become a "trendy" thing to do.

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Mothers hating the men their daughter's marry and the husband hating the mother of their wife is common place. So much so, it's fodder for comedy routines.

I know there are many MIL jokes, but quite honestly I can't recall any SIL jokes.

Even if there are such jokes, in reality, I don't think there are too many mothers who think their sons-in-law are capable of murdering their daughters. If LF believes JY killed Michelle, I truly believe she witnessed and/or knew of some serious problems occurring in Michelle's marriage and/or personality/character traits/emotional problems in JY which would lead her to think him capable of committing the unthinkable.

IMO

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

LE must not have found much to support her *good reason.*

10+ months and no arrest.

I'm not surprised JY hasn't been arrested yet. There have been many cases where years went by before an arrest was made. In this case, JY claimed to have been hundreds of miles away when Michelle was murdered, so I'm not surprised that LE would seek corroboration in addition to JY claiming to have remained in his hotel room the entire night, and proof like that could be a painstakingly slow process to acquire.

IMO

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 07:32 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Well there are.

I don't think she witnessed anything. Just pure hatred driving her thought processes.

Pure hatred based on what?

tiny paw-prints

09-04-2007, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

I know there are many MIL jokes, but quite honestly I can't recall any SIL jokes.

Even if there are such jokes, in reality, I don't think there are too many mothers who think their sons-in-law are capable of murdering their daughters. If LF believes JY killed Michelle, I truly believe she witnessed and/or knew of some serious problems occurring in Michelle's marriage and/or personality/character traits/emotional problems in JY which would lead her to think him capable of committing the unthinkable.

IMO

IIRC, there were a few earlier posts by some insiders who speculated that Jason resented it whenever Linda came to visit, because she was controlling and/or bossy?

In reality, I think it's more than likely that she may have caught on to some of his less than desirable traits, and that is the truer reason of why he "resented" her coming to stay at the house.

It's really very difficult to outwit or outsmart a mother-in-law.

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

In the cases where years went by prior to an arrest, the reason new evidence emerges for the arrest is usually due to new technology such as DNA testing.

Ten months is more than enough time to acquire cell phone pings and hotel records.

If JY killed Michelle, and didn't take his cell phone with him or shut it off entirely, how would LE track him through pings? Checking in and checking out of the hotel, per their records, doesn't account for JY's time in between. Perhaps LE seeks witnesses or any other form of corroboration which places JY in Raleigh when he should have been in VA.

IMO

Dida

09-04-2007, 07:55 PM

Good evening, everyone. It seems to have been an interesting day on the board. I was really enjoying everyone's thought processes and analysis. Until, suddenly, there was an Unleashing of such virulence that I had to check to make sure my browser had not been hijacked to some other board.

I wonder what could have changed so quickly? Could rational discourse have been so offensive to someone that they felt the need to derail it? Could those not capable of contributing to a rational discourse felt the need to attract attention? Could there be a possible development of such significance that some felt the need to attack Michelle's beloved only sister?

Questions, questions.

jmo

Hey Paula

09-04-2007, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

IIRC, there were a few earlier posts by some insiders who speculated that Jason resented it whenever Linda came to visit, because she was controlling and/or bossy?

In reality, I think it's more than likely that she may have caught on to some of his less than desirable traits, and that is the truer reason of why he "resented" her coming to stay at the house.

It's really very difficult to outwit or outsmart a mother-in-law.

Bossiness is the topic of many MIL jokes. But believing one's SIL is capable of murdering one's pregnant daughter is a very serious matter, and goes well beyond such normal resentments.

I agree with you that LF was likely on to JY and the traits she detected, which she felt might have been making her daughter unhappy, so much so that I believe Michelle decided to seek counsel from the therapist (I believe those visits were tied to Jason). I am anxious to learn what Michelle confided in the therapist, which was considered so closely tied to her murder that it warranted the file being subpoenaed and the the confidentiality agreement between doctor and patient broken.

IMO

Dida

09-04-2007, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by purple

Are we going to suggest that Meredith was a meth head coke head too?

It would not surprise me, after the other things posted here today. jmo

Dida

09-04-2007, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by purple

That's certainly how the police described it.

I don't think you can buy that on the street corner. jmo

Dida

09-04-2007, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by purple

Mixie (whoever that is) said she was on a high for a couple of weeks and this means that Meredith said that she was smoking pot for two weeks. That's quite the translation!

Pot does anything but make people aggressive - totally opposite effect.

Bummer, dude.

Dida

09-04-2007, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Well there are.

I don't think she witnessed anything. Just pure hatred driving her thought processes.

I've not seen any reports of "pure hatred" on LF's part. I would be interested in knowing what you based this on. TIA

jmo

Dida

09-04-2007, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

Wyn,before your Karma gets us all,did the Young's ever make a complaint against a neighbor boy and things that was going on in the woods behind their house?

I don't know, Willow, did they? What things going on?

lilismom

09-04-2007, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by Dida

I've not seen any reports of "pure hatred" on LF's part. I would be interested in knowing what you based this on. TIA

jmo

Hatred after Michelle's murder? Understandable. I bet she hated everyone. God. JY. LE. Me, you and the man in the moon.

IMO,
Lilismom

Dida

09-04-2007, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

Dida ,i don't know ,thats why I'm asking.

I have no idea. Was there a police report filed?

heathen

09-04-2007, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by TMcgraw

For the computer gurus, if jy was on his puter after check in, and he was on some type of thing say with a java platform, maybe a chat room type thing. Would it just continue showing activity on his computer? So in other words, he could log in, and his computer would make it look like he was online all night?

Hey, Tug, this ? caught my eye - it is my experience that there are programs out there that can run while you idle - they are phishing programs, trying to snag IP's and other information. They are the unsolicited instant messages you receive, spam mail, chat room phishers - they can run all day/night without supervision, so long as you don't lose your internet connection. That's a good example of how JY may show he was in VA, while not in VA? Or another, I should say, there have been a few, including the phone scenarios of a couple weeks ago.

Jules2

09-04-2007, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

LE must not have found much to support her *good reason.*

10+ months and no arrest.

LE must not have found much to support the "sister did it" opinion either.

10+ months and no arrest.

Barbara2

09-04-2007, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by Jules2

LE must not have found much to support the "sister did it" opinion either.

10+ months and no arrest.

(Thanks! I feel better already. :D )

tiny paw-prints

09-04-2007, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by heathen

Hey, Tug, this ? caught my eye - it is my experience that there are programs out there that can run while you idle - they are phishing programs, trying to snag IP's and other information. They are the unsolicited instant messages you receive, spam mail, chat room phishers - they can run all day/night without supervision, so long as you don't lose your internet connection. That's a good example of how JY may show he was in VA, while not in VA? Or another, I should say, there have been a few, including the phone scenarios of a couple weeks ago.

I think the rumor about Michelle being on the computer after midnight is interesting.

For example, she could have been in a chatroom when the perp entered the house and killed her, and then the killer could have taken up the convo in the chatroom posing as Michelle, requesting that someone send a Coach purse website to the Young's printer.

I can actually visualize Jason doing something like this, posing as Michelle to gather sorority sister "secrets" as a convenient method to further his extra-marital affairs and murderous intentions.

Dida

09-04-2007, 09:30 PM

I guess, at some point, everyone will decide for themselves whether or not to be "big people". In the meantime, I will go to the concession stand.

jmo :seeya:

Dominique

09-04-2007, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Deet

I'd call sitting on the internet all day, disparraging the family of a murder victim a rut. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Post of the day...IMO!!!!!!!!

karen

09-04-2007, 09:49 PM

The more telling behaviors that indicate Young is probably guilty and a narcissist include his lack of cooperation with the police, a pattern of deception of which we are only seeing traces (and expect much more); his aloof (if not rude) treatment of Michelle’s family, his retention of a criminal defense attorney before the funeral; his suspected arrangement of a third-party discovery of his wife’s body by her sister (which was especially sadistic), and his facile abandonment of the family home.

A stand-up guy does not hide behind a toddler. He does not lawyer up when he’s innocent. He cooperates with the investigation. He returns to his home and grieves with his wife’s family. He dumps his girlfriend. He admits to what he has done and ensures that he clears himself of suspicion as soon as possible, whatever it takes. He submits to a polygraph..

I copied this from
http://www.mermaidsinging.com/spouse_murrrder_theater/

and it is so true..JMO

on the go

09-04-2007, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by karen
The more telling behaviors that indicate Young is probably guilty and a narcissist include his lack of cooperation with the police, a pattern of deception of which we are only seeing traces (and expect much more); his aloof (if not rude) treatment of Michelle’s family, his retention of a criminal defense attorney before the funeral; his suspected arrangement of a third-party discovery of his wife’s body by her sister (which was especially sadistic), and his facile abandonment of the family home.

A stand-up guy does not hide behind a toddler. He does not lawyer up when he’s innocent. He cooperates with the investigation. He returns to his home and grieves with his wife’s family. He dumps his girlfriend. He admits to what he has done and ensures that he clears himself of suspicion as soon as possible, whatever it takes. He submits to a polygraph..

I copied this from
http://www.mermaidsinging.com/spouse_murrrder_theater/

and it is so true..JMO

THIS, truly, is one of the best posts of the day.