Michelle YOUNG

[Tacori]

I thought I'd go ahead and start the weekend thread.

For Michelle and her unborn son.

:rose:

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Tacori
I thought I'd go ahead and start the weekend thread.

For Michelle and her unborn son.

:rose:

Hi Tacori,

Thanks for getting us started.

Since hopefully we all have the same goal in mind, which is justice for a beautiful, vibrant, pregnant woman brutally murdered in her own home. AND, we are all frustrated by the lack of facts that we have at hand.

I thought it might be helpful to try and put ourselves in LE's position.

The first 3 suspects, are the spouse, the last know person to see the deceased alive and the person that discovers the body.

I have never been able to figure out why the friend that was with Michelle that fateful Thursday night has been given a free pass by the people that post here, both the people that think Jason is guilty AND the people that think Meredith is guilty.

Perhaps with a weekend board, we will get some new posters with a fresh look at the GA friend.

MOO

Swabby

[Dida]

I don't think an accomplice can be ruled out. The case is obviously not open and shut against anyone, or there would have been an arrest by now, imo.

I can only infer that LE has some evidence that doesn't fit any of the obvious suspects, and is hoping for a new lead that will fit all of the pieces together.

Maybe that is an accomplice. IF they are waiting for their money, they have little recourse other than to continuing waiting. The alternative would be to admit complicity, and where is the gain in that?

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


This case is complicated and involves another person beside JY.

jmo

I don't suppose you would care to say more than that?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by scout


Not really the response you're looking for, but I don't believe there is anyone here who thinks Meredith is guilty. She is just a convenient scapegoat, imo.

Hi Scout,

I tend to agree with you, but why is the GA friend above reproach? Why hasn't she been eviscerated in the attempt to draw attention away from Jason? Why hasn't her life, job, weight and relationship with Michelle been dissected?

Surely she has held a job out of her intended field or sold something on EBay at one time in her life.

I just don't understand why we haven't put the spotlight on her, I am sure LE had to give her a good look.

MOO

Swabby


ETA: Something is holding up an arrest, maybe we are ALL looking at the wrong perp.:shrug:

[Dida]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


Because she is thin, married and has an advanced degree in nursing.;)

You are right, Andy. That would preclude her as a suspect in the murder. It is, however, strong grounds as a suspect for another "romantic relationship".

jmo

[indie]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


Because she is thin, married and has an advanced degree in nursing.;)



I just hope she has the moral fortitude to give LE every single bit of info (facts, feelings, perceived incongruencies ) to help in the investigation of the murder of her dear friend Michelle. I hope she does not hold back a single thought for fear of hurting her husband, one of Jason's old and good friends. I hope she lets her conscience be her guide. Nurses are extremely observant people. She owes it to her friend to do what is right and share everything with LE.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


Because she is thin, married and has an advanced degree in nursing.;)


HIYA Mr. Taylor,

Be that as it may. She WAS the last known person to be with Michelle, and by some accounts with Jason AND Michelle before he supposedly left or Va.

If what little that has been reported is true, they had all know each other for some time. I certainly hope that LE has given her a long hard look. For all we know, they could have been in a scheme together.

Stranger things have happened.

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


Because she is thin, married and has an advanced degree in nursing.;)

And she didn't make that very odd 911 call.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Dida


You are right, Andy. That would preclude her as a suspect in the murder. It is, however, strong grounds as a suspect for another "romantic relationship".

jmo

Dida, you are one smart cookie!

Wouldn't be the first time that Jason slapped one of his friends right in the face by having a questionable "relationship" with their spouse.

Good Grief, Does anyone know a Company that gives group rate discounts for paternity tests?

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

BTW Dida,

Silly Me!

Thanks for your help.

I had been wrestling with the motive part of the "means, motive and opportunity" concerning the GA friend.

Now it all makes so much more sense. Especially the part about Jason leaving to get a "head start" for a business meeting on Friday morning, yet only driving half way on Thursday.

Maybe he just wanted to hang around for a while and "see" the GA friend before heading out. IF you believe some of the rumors........Who knows what all was going on, while Jason was supposedly showing GA the computer print out and Michelle was bathing Cassidy.

My Goodness, the possibilities are endless.

MOO

Swabby

[Dida]

Originally posted by 5swab5
BTW Dida,

Silly Me!

Thanks for your help.

I had been wrestling with the motive part of the "means, motive and opportunity" concerning to the GA friend.

Now it all makes so much more sense. Especially the part about Jason leaving to get a "head start" for a business meeting on Friday morning, yet only driving half way on Thursday.

Maybe he just wanted to hang around for a while and "see" the GA friend before heading out. IF you believe some of the rumors........Who knows what all was going on, while Jason was supposedly showing GA the computer print out and Michelle was bathing Cassidy.

My Goodness, the possibilities are endless.

MOO

Swabby

Hi, Swabby,

I think it does bear exploring, don't you? I would think that part of the "thrill" is the risk of discovery. The situation you describe would certainly contain that risk.

jmo

[dkny]

Originally posted by Dida


Hi, Swabby,

I think it does bear exploring, don't you? I would think that part of the "thrill" is the risk of discovery. The situation you describe would certainly contain that risk.

jmo



True, and what if they were discovered we would not know that would we. JMO

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Dida, you are one smart cookie!

Wouldn't be the first time that Jason slapped one of his friends right in the face by having a questionable "relationship" with their spouse.

Good Grief, Does anyone know a Company that gives group rate discounts for paternity tests?

MOO

Swabby

Who is pregnant?

Hello board!

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Dida


Hi, Swabby,

I think it does bear exploring, don't you? I would think that part of the "thrill" is the risk of discovery. The situation you describe would certainly contain that risk.

jmo

GA friend had been married three (3) weeks before Michelle was murdered. You think she was already looking for "thrills" outside of marriage? :eek:

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by willow_1


Hello Lindsey, I can assure you it isn't me. LOL

Hey willow! Glad to hear it! LOL

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Dida


Hi, Swabby,

I think it does bear exploring, don't you? I would think that part of the "thrill" is the risk of discovery. The situation you describe would certainly contain that risk.

jmo

Yep,

I think there is even a name for those people.

Those that really get their kicks from the thrill of "almost" being caught.

Seems there might have been more than one secret on BirchLeaf.

MOO

Swabby

[Dida]

Originally posted by dkny




True, and what if they were discovered we would not know that would we. JMO

Well, to quote some posters on this board, that makes me go hmmmmmmmmm..........


jmo

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
If and when Jason is indicted for the murder of his wife, I believe his defense will have several points that will be made to exonerate him.

1. he has no prior criminal record

2. there are no incidents of abuse in his marriage that were reported to LE by Michelle

3. there are no witnesses to indicate that he was in Raleigh at TOD

4. there were no scratches or bruises on Jason save for perhaps on his knees which he fell plum to at the news of his wife's death

5. Jason made a telephone call to his wife at 11PM the night of the murder from Hillsville, VA.

6. The mileage on the odometer and oil change sticker excludes the possibility of Jason returning to Raleigh to do the murder

7. Jason has a motel receipt and video that show that he was in Hillsville at TOD

8. The fuel stop at Duffield, VA occurred exactly where his SUV's range would require refueling if no backtrack to Raleigh occurred

9. The "blood" on the SUV was negative

10. Jason appeared nonplussed at the meeting in Norton with his supervisor, no sign of distress

11. The range for the TOD was originally 1-5AM when the day after the murder LE asked the public to report any vehicles seen at the Birchleaf address. It was later changed to 12-6AM, an unusual extension made by LE, when they discovered Jason had been at Hillsville that night. I believe that this amounts to misconduct by LE in an attempt by LE to stretch the evidence to implicate Jason

12. LE pointed out that Jason was having an affair with Michelle Money. This is a double standard. Sheriff Donnie Harrison had an affair with his current wife while she was still married to another man

13. The therapist will be impeached. She frequented porn sites. The "best evidence rule" will be invoked by defense, demanding the tapes of the therapy sessions. If the tapes were destroyed after the murder.....

14. There were several errors made during the autopsy

15. Crime scene evidence was overlooked

16. Michelle was still dressed in her GA party clothes, indicating death occurred close to midnight


A lot of good points there, Captain Joe, but I'm beginning to doubt that anyone will be arrested and convicted for Michelle's murder.

I believe the trail has grown cold and somebody is getting away with murder.

I hope I'm wrong.

[MoonFlwr]

Yes, seem like good points to me, too, Captain Joe.

[Surfside6]

capt. joe,

no one ended up dead in donnie's affair w/ that woman.

we only have the brevardian ex-teacher's word for certain things in your list like the phone call to michelle at a certain time.

it may not have happened. it may not have been jason who placed the call.

we don't know IF a business meeting happened at all or if it did, where it happened.

we don't know when jason checked into the hotel
or if it was even jason.

we don't know if jason bought gas at other places besides the places where he could show receipts. he might have been stockpiling gas
in his garage for his murder plot.

the therapist didn't "frequent porn sites." she was the victim of nasty internet porn sites who
because of her keywords, transgender and cross-dressing, linked her site to theirs.
imo

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
If and when Jason is indicted for the murder of his wife, I believe his defense will have several points that will be made to exonerate him.

(snip, snip, snip)



Sorry Cap'N Joe,

Had to snip, too many unsubstantiated things there.

Here comes my take on things.

Jason is rumored to be a fan of yard games, like "hide and seek".

Maybe he was also a fan of "hide the salami"?

What makes the GA wife of one of his best friends immune from his advances? Certainly didn't deter Jason from hounding Steve Money's wife.

ALL the above is My Opinion and MY speculation.

Swabby

[Tacori]

Originally posted by Captain Joe


If and when Jason is indicted for the murder of his wife, I believe his defense will have several points that will be made to exonerate him.

~Snipped to address this~

10. Jason appeared nonplussed at the meeting in Norton with his supervisor, no sign of distress

~Snip~



Captain Joe, where did you read or hear this? I've never read a report or read a statement from anyone that said the meeting was in Norton. Can you help me out here? TIA.

[Tacori]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Norton is one of the few cities on the road to Duffield and a likely candidate for the meeting at one of the hospitals there where software upgrades for the Chartone suite would be considered. No special knowledge, just deductive reasoning, my dear Watson. I believe Scout or RPD came to the same conclusion. The only real reason to go to Duffield is a small handfull of towns on the same route. Norton seems to be the principal candidate for the meeting.

K. Thanks! I must have been absent from class that day.

I guess I read your #10 as a statement of fact.

JMO

[indie]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Norton is one of the few cities on the road to Duffield and a likely candidate for the meeting at one of the hospitals there where software upgrades for the Chartone suite would be considered. No special knowledge, just deductive reasoning, my dear Watson. I believe Scout or RPD came to the same conclusion. The only real reason to go to Duffield is a small handfull of towns on the same route. Norton seems to be the principal candidate for the meeting.


CJ do you know what time he stopped at the Duffield gas station? Was it before the meeting? I thought we were told he was late for the business meeting because he was lost, thus the Duffield stop may be throwing your deductive reasoning skills off in the wrong direction. Also CJ could you ask your sources if Jason arranged the meeting himself or if ChartOne arranged the meeting for him?

[indie]

Originally posted by Captain Joe


Don't know either one.


So why don't we know CJ? Why hide the logistics of a perfectly legit business meeting?

Seems to me due to the fact that we have so very little info on the meeting, very few people were involved in planning and at the actual meeting itself. Thus the whole meeting seems very "fishy" to me and possibly another poorly planned aspect of this murder, that is, if Jason is the murderer.

I believe if it was arranged by ChartOne, involving secretaries and directors of a hospital's medical records department more information would be in the public domain either through leaks or Jason's supporters via the media. Only reason I can think of is Jason was the sole organizer and perhaps only met briefly with ONE person kind of like that Transylvania hospital "possible" stop he made on his way to his mom's house.

[indie]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Believe me, I tried to get that information. The hospital would not respond, period, and Chartone employees have been told to not respond to questions about the case. This tells me that there will be testimony from both parties when it comes to trial. Oh another tidbit. The owner of the Get-It-Market in Duffield lives in Norton. He too would say nothing about the case.


Though the results of your sleuthing are disappointing I'll give you an "A" for effort.

[Dida]

I find it utterly amazing that the "relationship" between JY and MM is still being debated. There was a "relationship". There was daily contact in the form of emails and telephone calls. I will find the links if someone insists.

LE has the content of the emails, and the content was apparently enough to justify a SW and seizure of MM's computer. Anyone who refuses to infer the obvious from all of that is certainly entitled to do so. I personally have not been that naive since I was 12.

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


There a are a handful that come here to argue just to be arguing.
It is their style. :punch:

Both you and purple are right. Last weekend was like Groundhog Day. People will believe whatever they choose, but the evidence is what it is.

jmo

[cognac]

Originally posted by 5swab5


Hi Scout,

I tend to agree with you, but why is the GA friend above reproach? Why hasn't she been eviscerated in the attempt to draw attention away from Jason? Why hasn't her life, job, weight and relationship with Michelle been dissected?

Surely she has held a job out of her intended field or sold something on EBay at one time in her life.

I just don't understand why we haven't put the spotlight on her, I am sure LE had to give her a good look.

MOO

Swabby


ETA: Something is holding up an arrest, maybe we are ALL looking at the wrong perp.:shrug:

The friend was jy's best friend's wife, wasn't she?

The plan here (imo) was to immediately blame Meredith. JY set her up for this. At the very beginning, a certain poster (now gone) came out swinging against Meredith and who do you think this came from?

It was all part of jy's plan and his supporters ran with it.

jmo

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by purple


"It wasn neither ,heres what he actually said. IMO

... give me a minute to figure out what that means.

What are you asking the world to believe ... that Jason was such a close friend with Michelle Money that he, rather than she (her sorority sister Michelle Fisher/Young ), were emailing daily? let's not be preposterous and suggest that the email uncovered by the police was actually michelle and michelle. This was supposedly just peachy with pregnant Michelle? And this also explains why Jason was not emailing with the other husband, Steve, ... because he was such a good friend? That his wife, Michelle Money, talked to Steve's good old buddy Jason from Universitym and Steve didn't mind ... while Michelle was murdered?

Hello.

What am I missing?

Maybe this is what you're missing?

From page 2 of the search warrant for MM's computer, dated Nov 30, 2006

A search warrant was conducted at Michelle Money's home in Ocoee, FL to obtain any computer or computer equipment, data storage device, recording device or digitial evidence.

A search warrant is needed to search the computer files and images, email accounts or passwords, data storage devices, and evidence of correspondence with Jason Young, Michelle Young and Michelle Money.

http://wral.com/news/local/document/1085668/

[Dida]

Originally posted by Lindsey


Maybe this is what you're missing?

From page 2 of the search warrant for MM's computer, dated Nov 30, 2006

A search warrant was conducted at Michelle Money's home in Ocoee, FL to obtain any computer or computer equipment, data storage device, recording device or digitial evidence.

A search warrant is needed to search the computer files and images, email accounts or passwords, data storage devices, and evidence of correspondence with Jason Young, Michelle Young and Michelle Money.

http://wral.com/news/local/document/1085668/

That is a little misleading, imo, Lindsey. Page 1 of that same search warrant:

"In the course of the investigation we discovered the victim's husband Jason Young has had a relationship with Michelle Money of Ocoee, Florida. The past three months Jason Young and Michelle Money have corresponded frequently. In an interview with Michelle Money, she has confirmed that she corresponded by phone or email to Jason Young almost daily."

Jason Young, not Michelle Young.

http://www.raleighchannel.com/youngsearchwarrant.pdf

But like I said, people will believe whatever they like.

jmo

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by scout


Why didn't you include the preceding statements, Lindsey?

From pages 1 and 2 of the same document:

In the course of the investigation, we discovered the victim's husband Jason Young had a relationship with Michelle Money of Ocoee, Florida. The past three months Jason Young and Michelle Money have corresponded frequently. In an interview with Michelle Money, she confirmed that she corresponded by phone or email to Jason Young almost daily. A search warrant was conducted at Michelle Money's home in Ocoee, FL to obtain any computer or computer equipment, data storage device, recording device or digital evidence. A search warrant is needed to search the computer files and images, email accounts or passwords, data storage devices, and evidence of correspondence with Jason Young, Michelle Young and Michelle Money.

I was addressing Purple's "disbelief" that Michelle Young, in addition to Jason Young, was emailing Michelle Money.

I included the link to the whole search warrant for you to read it for yourself but I didn't know I needed to type the whole thing.
:rolleyes:

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Dida


That is a little misleading, imo, Lindsey. Page 1 of that same search warrant:

"In the course of the investigation we discovered the victim's husband Jason Young has had a relationship with Michelle Money of Ocoee, Florida. The past three months Jason Young and Michelle Money have corresponded frequently. In an interview with Michelle Money, she has confirmed that she corresponded by phone or email to Jason Young almost daily."

Jason Young, not Michelle Young.

http://www.raleighchannel.com/youngsearchwarrant.pdf

But like I said, people will believe whatever they like.

jmo

Dida,

I wasn't trying to be misleading. See my last post, addressed to Scout.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by willow_1


Well since they found out a long time ago what was in those emails and in August had a newspaper remove the word affair,is very telling. I would say there wasn't any romance in the emails.IMO


Did police have the article changed?

I wonder if the person who wrote the article saw the emails? I wonder if the editor saw the emails? I wonder if the person who requested the wording be changed saw the emails? If LE didn't share the emails, and I doubt they did, we can't assume anything. Perhaps they changed it because they themselves don't have the proof to back up the use of the word "affair", not because it wasn't?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Dida]

Originally posted by lilismom



Did police have the article changed?

I wonder if the person who wrote the article saw the emails? I wonder if the editor saw the emails? I wonder if the person who requested the wording be changed saw the emails? If LE didn't share the emails, and I doubt they did, we can't assume anything. Perhaps they changed it because they themselves don't have the proof to back up the use of the word "affair", not because it wasn't?

IMO,
Lilismom

I agree, lilismom. We do not KNOW that LE had the article changed. The request for a correction could have come from any number of sources, including JY himself. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Well then stop insisting the relationship between JY and MM was anything more than the friendship SM said it was.

Why should we believe SM? Do we know whether or not he has seen the emails? I doubt it, since the hard drive was seized.

jmo

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Well there are legal ramifications to publishing something as inflamitory as that when one doesn't have (1) any proof it's true or (2)any admission from any parties or (3) no 'affair' classificiation by LE .


I thought I said:

Perhaps they changed it because they themselves don't have the proof to back up the use of the word "affair", not because it wasn't?

We don't know who demanded to see their proof. I doubt LE showed them the emails and said "now show me where there was anything but a friendship".

Who was it then? MM? JY? Or someone else who doesn't know for sure themselves because they haven't seen the emails but backed the paper into a corner because they didn't either?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

I don't see LE calling it an affair in there anywhere. :shrug:

I may regret asking this, but just so I understand, how are you distinguishing between a "romantic relationship" and an "affair"?

[Barbara2]

Ground Hog Day!

Sorry. I now return you to your CTV "Classic", a repeat of the program seen here last weekend. (Or was it a month ago?)

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
If and when Jason is indicted for the murder of his wife, I believe his defense will have several points that will be made to exonerate him.

<snip>

5. Jason made a telephone call to his wife at 11PM the night of the murder from Hillsville, VA.

6. The mileage on the odometer and oil change sticker excludes the possibility of Jason returning to Raleigh to do the murder

<snip>


Well, since AE isn't answering my question, I'll ask this one. What evidence is there regarding the telephone call and the oil change sticker? TIA

[WonderingInSC]

Originally posted by scout


snipped A search warrant is needed to search the computer files and images, email accounts or passwords, data storage devices, and evidence of correspondence with Jason Young, Michelle Young and Michelle Money.

maybe the LE wanted to check to see if MM had confessed by email or a phone call to Michelle - that would be the preface to a big fight between MY and JY late late November 2nd.... Just a thought.

[Dida]

Originally posted by WonderingInSC


maybe the LE wanted to check to see if MM had confessed by email or a phone call to Michelle - that would be the preface to a big fight between MY and JY late late November 2nd.... Just a thought.

Now THAT is an interesting thought. imo

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
Since LE has been so PC in this case, including the lack of cajones in failing to use the word "suspect" or even POI in describing Jason, I suspect the LE changed the word "affair". That is a tipoff that they have a weak case against Jason. Otherwise, they wouldn't care what they called him. They are afraid Jason will sue their socks off. If they had a strong case, they would have little fear of a suit. JMFOO

Hi Cap'N Joe,

Not so sure about that one.

It would make me nervous to live in a Country where a private citizen could intimidate the press. Hopefully Wake County's Sheriff's Dept's POI or his friends are NOT pulling this off.

(Personally I have never seen so many articles in a murder case disappear or get updated so often, makes me think that someone is EXTREMELY worried.)


I have no doubt that LE's decision to say nothing is not without reason. I also have no doubt that the first responding reporters know a whole lot more than was printed or broadcast.

I have been in constant contact with one reporter in particular. I just hope she enjoys the "tailgating" party.

:biggrin:

MOO

Swabby

[Dida]

Originally posted by willow_1


Are reporter immune from the stalker law?

I think the First Amendment takes precedence over the stalker law.

jmo

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0


:confused: Wasn't questioning what you said.

We don't know that anyone did demand to see proof or backed a media outlet into any corner.

We just know they changed the wording to accurately reflect what LE said.


Alright then. I'm gonna bail out of this discussion, as I did last week. Add this subject (affair v. relationship) to the list of things that how you see it, depends on what side of the fence you're on.

IMO,
Lilismom

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Captain Joe


Well maybe the press are worried about getting their socks sued off. At least the editors have a little more sense than their idiot reporters.


Sorry, but they may tell you everything you know, but they DO NOT have to tell you everything that they know.

The above is MY OPINION!

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Is it not a sign of the times that we no longer hear the word suspect ? POI seems to be the description of choice . I know many links have disappeared , but was he not, at one time , referred to as a POI ?

If I recall correctly the term "affair" was never used . The term was a "romantic relationship " . The 19 - 20 ish year old reporter mistakenly referred to it as an affair in the most recent publication .She then edited it to read "relationship" .

The case against the husband could very well be *weak*, as you say. But have you considered that the LE is parsing their words as they only have ONE side of the story ? What if MM , upon being confronted about daily phone calls and emails , said "yes, we are having a romantic relationship. "?

The husband is not talking, so they have no way to confirm the veracity of her statement . So, yes, they need to be careful.

MOO.....Aggie

Thanks Aggie,

BINGO!

The press isn't supposed to release that info, UNLESS it is collaborated by the second party.

AND Jason Lynn Young ain't talking....Wonder why?

MOO

Swabby

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by agathachristie


Is it not a sign of the times that we no longer hear the word suspect ? POI seems to be the description of choice . I know many links have disappeared , but was he not, at one time , referred to as a POI ?

If I recall correctly the term "affair" was never used . The term was a "romantic relationship " . The 19 - 20 ish year old reporter mistakenly referred to it as an affair in the most recent publication .She then edited it to read "relationship" .

The case against the husband could very well be *weak*, as you say. But have you considered that the LE is parsing their words as they only have ONE side of the story ? What if MM , upon being confronted about daily phone calls and emails , said "yes, we are having a romantic relationship. "?

The husband is not talking, so they have no way to confirm the veracity of her statement . So, yes, they need to be careful.

MOO.....Aggie

I agree with you. Even when LE uses the term POI, they usually add that they merely wish to talk to that person, and are careful to state the person isn't a suspect. I can't recall the last time LE used the word suspect prior to making an arrest. It defeats LE's purpose of acquiring info from their suspect, as they will immediately hire a lawyer when being labeled a suspect.

In the case of MM and JY, it's such a delicate area because of the friendships involved, Michelle's murder, MM having birthed another child, and her cooperation with LE, that I think perhaps using the term "romantic relationship" or the word relationship in quotes, makes it appear less sordid for all concerned. I think when this case is finally tried, the "relationship" will be defined, and perhaps proof of a tryst might exist (hotel receipts/airline tickets, etc perhaps)

It seems reasonable to think MM and JY deleted the emails they sent one another daily, or their spouses would have recognized something was amiss. Perhaps those deleted emails on both MM's and JY's computers define their "relationship" too.

IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by Fireflies


No, it doesn't. Where did you ever get such a ridiculous notion?

From the First Amendment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment

"The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is a part of the United States Bill of Rights. It prohibits the federal legislature from making laws that establish religion (the "Establishment Clause") or prohibit free exercise of religion (the "Free Exercise Clause"), laws that infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to assemble peaceably, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

:read: jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by scout
The idea that Jason Young is being stalked by any member of the press is laughable.

That too. jmo

[Surfside6]

Originally posted by scout
The idea that Jason Young is being stalked by any member of the press is laughable.

does the Brevardian ex-teacher count?

[Dida]

Originally posted by Surfside6


does the Brevardian ex-teacher count?

Is he a member of the press?

[Surfside6]

Originally posted by Dida


Is he a member of the press?

i think he wants to be...:shrug:
or maybe he just enjoys armchair quarterbacking
and 20/20 hindsight
imo

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Surfside6


i think he wants to be...:shrug:
or maybe he just enjoys armchair quarterbacking
and 20/20 hindsight
imo

Perhaps someone needs their hindsight tested. I think new glasses are in order. imo

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Fireflies



You have a comprehension problem. No reporter is above the law. Freedom of the Press isn't freedom to break laws.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000777572

N.C. Reporter Convicted for Failing to Leave Crime Scene

Published: January 26, 2005 11:40 AM ET

FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. (AP) A former reporter for The Fayetteville (N.C.) Observer was convicted yesterday for failing to leave crime scene.

In March 2004, Robert Boyer, the crime reporter for the newspaper, was charged with resisting, delaying, or obstructing a police officer, a misdemeanor. District Court Judge Cheri Beasley yesterday sentenced Boyer to 60 hours of community service.

I'm not sure how being at a tailgating event prior to a football game constitutes stalking. That was the post that began this whole converstion. In other words, the whole debate is moot unless you believe the reporter is "stalking" JY by being at a public event at the same time he is there. imo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Fireflies



You have a comprehension problem. <snip>

No, I don't. But if it makes you feel better, so be it.

[Deet]

hi. I am new here. I have been following this case and posting a little at the Sayville.com site. Someone over there recommended I check out the CTV and WS sites regarding Michelle Fisher. There is very little news in our town about it and its very frustrating. I didn't know Michelle, but graduated with Meredith, and only remember seeing her occasionally. The case has just hit home for me and a few others in town. Its nice to see that it hasn't been forgotten.

[Deet]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

What can you tell us about Linda Fisher?

My mom and her have a mutual friend. From the info I get, a LOT is going on in NC, but its all pretty much hush, hush. The impression my mother has is that a lot of investigating is going on and Linda isn't allowed to talk about it.

[Deet]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
Is, was Sayville a mob town?


Growing up here, I've heard things, but you never know.

[Surfside6]

welcome, deet.

stereotyping is commonplace here.
next, someone will ask you if you know Tony Soprano.

have you seen michelle's memorial tree?
imo

[Deet]

Originally posted by Surfside6
welcome, deet.

stereotyping is commonplace here.
next, someone will ask you if you know Tony Soprano.

have you seen michelle's memorial tree?
imo

Yes. Is it true that a poster here wrote a poem for an ornament on the tree?? I take my daughter there a lot actually. I guess thats why the case is always on my mind.

[Surfside6]

Originally posted by Deet


Yes. Is it true that a poster here wrote a poem for an ornament on the tree?? I take my daughter there a lot actually. I guess thats why the case is always on my mind.

yes. the poster's name is samiya.
she writes very beautiful poetry, is very knowledgable about the case, and is a strong advocate for michelle and cassidy.
imo

[Deet]

Originally posted by Fireflies_3




Welcome to the board Deet is Meredith as pretty in person as she is on her my space page? I think she is very pretty and looks alot like Michelle. Some on this board think shes some how invoved in this me i don't think so, i am sure what LE has found out about this case they have told all involved not to talk but they don't have to worry about jason because hes not talking at all.

Both Meredith and Michelle were beautiful. People here think Meredith is involved??? OMG no way! They were too close, from what I was told they were best friends and hard for anyone to get in between.

[Deet]

Originally posted by Surfside6


yes. the poster's name is samiya.
she writes very beautiful poetry, is very knowledgable about the case, and is a strong advocate for michelle and cassidy.
imo


Thank you! Yes I have heard that name before. Maybe I heard it when I asked about the poem. Thats so nice. I know it really touched a lot of hearts out here.

[Deet]

Originally posted by Fireflies_3



If you don't mind me asking do you happen to know if they placed any flyer's down in your area? Was just wondering

It was posted on the Sayville web site. From what Iwas told, it was printed out and will be or has been posted. Ihaven't seen any yet, but I had planned to place some on Monday.

[Deet]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
Deet,
Can you tell us a little about the, er, reputation of Linda Fisher around the early 90's?

Honestly, no reputation that I ever knew of. she was just Meredith and Michelle's mom. We all feel so bad for her now. She was just a regular mom, like my mom before this.

[Deet]

okay, i was warned that there were some Meredith haters out there, but this is beyond what I expected.

Good night. Thanks for letting me post here. You can find me at Sayville.com.

[Surfside6]

CASSIE:

ah..um..
daddy did it.
and she's got boo boos, everywhere

and .. and she’s dead.



911 DISPATCH:
all right.
do you think that she's beyond help?
---------------

sadly, michelle was beyond help, brutally murdered by her husband. imo

[Dida]

Originally posted by willow_1


<snip>

Up till now I have had an open mind <snip>



An open mind about what/whom, Willow? In what parallel universe? Just asking.

[Dida]

Deet, if by some miracle you should check this board again, please know that everyone here does NOT hate Meredith, nor does everyone here believe she had anything to do with her sister's murder. I personally believe her only involvement was the absolute tragedy of being the one to find her sister's body.

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by willow_1


Dida ,I've had an open mind about the whole murder. I have said over and over ,I don't know who did this horrible thing to a beautiful young mother.I have had a bad feeling about that 911 call from the beginning,but just couldn't get what was missing ,till now.She never mentioned the baby.The only reason I can thing of that she didn't was ,she knew that wasn't the cause of death.She knew exactly what killed Michelle. IMO

Or maybe she knew the baby wasn't the cause of death because the blood was pooled around Michelle's head rather than around her legs. Do you think that is possible?

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by willow_1


That wasn't what she said. She said there is blood everywhere. She said there was blood in the bed. Michelle wasn't in the bed ,so the blood wasn't just around her head.IMO

I am not talking about what she said, Willow. I am talking about what she saw. Regardless of what she said, I believe that what she saw made it obvious that Michelle did not die from a miscarriage.

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by willow_1


Dida ,that makes no sense. Why wouldn't she say ,what she was seeing. When the dispatch asked what happened ,she said she didn't know.

Willow, do you think it might be remotely possible that she was so stunned and horrified that she could barely get any words out at all, never mind words that might stand up to being picked apart by posters on a message board 10 months later?

And why wouldn't she say she didn't know what happened? She DIDN'T.

jmo

[stacybo]

Originally posted by willow_1


That wasn't what she said. She said there is blood everywhere. She said there was blood in the bed. Michelle wasn't in the bed ,so the blood wasn't just around her head.IMO

Willow - the wounds were to her head. I hope to god you never have seen or have to see a miscarriage. It doesn't look like anything that the damage to Michelle could possibly have looked like that day. I mean, get real - you don't hear her mention the word 'pregnant' and THIS concludes Meredith's guilt in your mind, after keeping such an open one (add roll eyes here) all this time???? Even Kat makes more sense than this, for god's sake.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida


Willow, do you think it might be remotely possible that she was so stunned and horrified that she could barely get any words out at all, never mind words that might stand up to being picked apart by posters on a message board 10 months later?

And why wouldn't she say she didn't know what happened? She DIDN'T.

jmo

All I know is that if JY makes that same flat 911 call people offer it up as proof of murder and want death. JMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by willow_1


This case is complicated and involves another person instead of JY. IMO

I agree. If JY's lawyers just had an opportunity in a court room they could do some serious damage to this case. IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
What case....LE is still just gathering evidence and hope to solve it :shrug:

Very true. I just meant that if they try and close this case by going after him. jmo

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
I thought perhaps you did. But in light of the fact that no charges have been filed, some people here have to live with the cold hard fact that there isn't sufficient evidence Jason murdered his wife. And their insisting it over and over doesn't make it true. I guess that's why they have to make up stuff...to the point they have a group halluncination about SM saying he forgave his wife :shrug:

Nothing surprises me anymore. Alot of posters even went after Dr.Petit in another case when it's obvious he wasn't involved in his wife and kids death , it's almost par for the course now and yet they wonder why a guy has to invoke his rights these days. jmo:shrug:

[Samiya]

Originally posted by willow_1


I,ll go listen again ,I didn't hear one.

If it helps Willow,

It is near the beginning. Meredith says

"I'm here with her daughter..and she's pregnant".

the word pregnant is almost inaudible, but it is there. You may need to put the call onto a cd and play it through a good sound system.

Sami

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

So no sex is needed for a relationship, as LE called it, or a romantic relationship, as the media called it, to be classified as an 'affair'?

wow



:eek:

I think you finally get it. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

<snip>

Seems some here have a super seekret formula of the exact things an innocent person does and says.

<snip>



Exactly. Like on a 911 call.

jmo

[Samiya]

Can we at least agree on

"Some kind of a relationship"

the biting back and forth over what kind of relationship it was it getting long in the tooth.

"Some kind of relationship" is more neutral territory.

Sami

[Dida]

Originally posted by Samiya
Can we at least agree on

"Some kind of a relationship"

the biting back and forth over what kind of relationship it was it getting long in the tooth.

"Some kind of relationship" is more neutral territory.

Sami

I agree; it is getting really old. My issue with the some kind of relationship has nothing to do with whether or not they ever "had sex". jmo

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Samiya


If it helps Willow,

It is near the beginning. Meredith says

"I'm here with her daughter..and she's pregnant".

the word pregnant is almost inaudible, but it is there. You may need to put the call onto a cd and play it through a good sound system.

Sami

If Meredith mumbled the word pregnant the dispatcher, like most of us, didn't hear it. Nearly five minutes of talking and no mention that her sister is pregnant. The dog was freaking out and she's there on a fluke but no mention her sister is pregnant.

[on the go]

Originally posted by annalyzer


If Meredith mumbled the word pregnant the dispatcher, like most of us, didn't hear it. Nearly five minutes of talking and no mention that her sister is pregnant. The dog was freaking out and she's there on a fluke but no mention her sister is pregnant.

Meredith said it to the dispatcher. You have no way of knowing if the dispatcher heard it.

[Dida]

Originally posted by Samiya
Can we at least agree on

"Some kind of a relationship"

the biting back and forth over what kind of relationship it was it getting long in the tooth.

"Some kind of relationship" is more neutral territory.

Sami

I think Sami has a really good point. jmo

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by on the go


Meredith said it to the dispatcher. You have no way of knowing if the dispatcher heard it.

He repeated about everything she said but I never heard him say the word pregnant nor did he ask how many weeks she was or had her water broke, etc.

[Dida]

Originally posted by annalyzer


He repeated about everything she said but I never heard him say the word pregnant nor did he ask how many weeks she was or had her water broke, etc.

Because the dispatcher spoke at the same time she said it. I listened to it again. So he may not have heard her.

jmo

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by annalyzer


He repeated about everything she said but I never heard him say the word pregnant nor did he ask how many weeks she was or had her water broke, etc.

I never heard the word pregnant or any reference to the fact that she was. And I've listened to the actual tape a zillion times as well as reading several different versions of the transcript. Nothing about being pregnant. But if there was blood spatter on the walls and furniture, she knew Michelle didn't have a miscarriage. She had to know, whether she was involved in the murder or not.

IMO

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Dida


Because the dispatcher spoke at the same time she said it. I listened to it again. So he may not have heard her.

jmo

Don't you think it was important enough to be repeated in that five minute call so that the dispatcher would hear it?

[Dida]

Originally posted by annalyzer


Don't you think it was important enough to be repeated in that five minute call so that the dispatcher would hear it?

There was a poster here recently who is a 911 dispatcher. They were saying that dispatchers are trained to take control of 911 calls, to keep the caller calm, and to elicit the necessary information. You can hear the dispatcher doing that, I think. Meredith was responding to his questions.

And besides, once it becomes clear that Michelle is dead........

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

But it appears she thought Michelle had a fall :shrug:

Or that a fall was a more comprehensible explanation than murder.

jmo

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0


That whole call is strange. The most chilling aspect is the Only Sister referring to what LE described as the most bloodiest and gruesome crime scene they had seen in 20 yrs as the place not looking like it normally does :confused:

I believe if JY makes that same flat call, he gets labelled a " sociopath" but Mere catches a break because she's " upset" . Yet posters never seem to give JY a break. It shows the double standard in this case. IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

<snip>

Seems some here have a super seekret formula of the exact things an innocent person does and says.

<snip>

AE, it seems to me that you must have that formula regarding the 911 call. Care to share it with the rest of us?

jmo

[Dida]

Michelle Marie Fisher Young and her unborn son were murdered 10 months ago tomorrow.

:rose:

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Absolutely.

His family was trashed for what they wore to the funeral, yet it was fine and dandy for the Only Sister to LAUGH at the funeral.

But if it had been Jason doing the laughing. Oh boy - can you imagine?

Absolutely incredible.I can imagine.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
People often wear certain type of clothes to funerals that was special to that person who`s funeral they attend. I would think the red tie was a special tie given to Jason and maybe her favorite color.
My mother requested bright colors be worn to her and all family members did. My brother wore his favorite Jimmy Buffet shirt. I am sure her friends thought,what the heck. If they were close friends or close family members who knew her they understood.Anyone else didn`t matter to us.We wore what our mother wanted at her funeral
About the smile,look at the attention SP brought to the media when someone got a picture of him smiling at his wife Memorial. It help send him to prison,how many times was it shown on TV?
Yes,IMO,Jason learned the power of the media and the spewing of hate. That is why he is not out in front for the media to convict.IMO

I agree 100% . I think more and more people will now wait for a trial before fueling the media machine . JMO

[indie]

How can we have a "fair" discussion here when posts are being removed without a reason?

Oh well, continue on about the 911 call, it is a captivatingly contrived discussion.

[Dida]

Personally, I am really tired of discussing the 911 call. I do have a question though. I keep seeing snarky comments about MF "laughing" at the funeral. What is that about? TIA

jmo

[indie]

Dear Aggie and Dida,

For some inexplicable reason the posters that possibly could answer your questions are now locked out of the forum. Also months of great discussions have been deleted due to some very suspicious circumstances. The old posts would have answered your questions.

Hopefully the moderation will be more fair once an arrest is made and more facts become indisputable. The current system of reporting posters IMO is unjust.

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by indie
Dear Aggie and Dida,

For some inexplicable reason the posters that possibly could answer your questions are now locked out of the forum. Also months of great discussions have been deleted due to some very suspicious circumstances. The old posts would have answered your questions.

Hopefully the moderation will be more fair once an arrest is made and more facts become indisputable. The current system of reporting posters IMO is unjust. I think the moderation is more then fair and if any poster is denied access there is a legitimate reason for it.

[lilismom]

A few thoughts....

MF asked CY if mommy fell....would you rather her have said to the child "did someone bash mommy's head in?" She didn't know what happened yet. It seems silly knowing what we know now but to her, at the time??? I don't see the big deal here.

MF did or didn't mention pregnant. What difference does it make? At that point her main concern was for her sister. If her sister is beyond help, sadly so is the baby.

I don't think it is fair to pick apart what she says about what she's seeing when we can't see what she's looking at while she's talking.

I keep reading that LE said it was the most gruesome crime scene they had ever seen. Makes me wonder who the first ones on the scene were? Its not so significant if they were newbies. It probably was the most gruesome they'd ever seen. Anyone know?

I think that call may have been different if CY wasn't there. Different how? I think she would have been more hysterical.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
Isn't it strange that Meredith said that the house didn't appear like the house normally does and yet she thought Michelle simply fell?

Do you believe that she should have been brutally honest with the two-year-old child in that particular situation?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

She should have been brutally honest with the 911 dispatcher.

I believe that if she had not been in a state of shock she would have been able to do that. Under the circumstances, that was not possible.

How much would it have helped Michelle or changed the outcome if she had been brutally honest with the dispatcher?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

She should have been brutally honest with the 911 dispatcher.

^5

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Captain Joe


If she had been brutally honest perhaps the dispatcher would have warned her earlier not to touch anything and leave the scene earlier, thereby leaving the crime scene more undisturbed for the investigators.

I don't think that moving a pillow changed the outcome of the investigation. It doesn't seem likely that that is the hold up. imo

[Dida]

indie, I was afraid that might have happened.

And Barbara2, I too doubt that moving a pillow compromised the investigation. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Some of us think that the fax pickup was a perfect excuse for Meredith to revisit the scene and put her fingerprints there and thereby have an alibi for them to appear there.

How generous of JY to assist her in that way. jmo

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Some of us think that the fax pickup was a perfect excuse for Meredith to revisit the scene and put her fingerprints there and thereby have an alibi for them to appear there.


What are the chances that she's THAT lucky? What with the way she lives her life and all. I ain't buyin it. And, would she really NEED an excuse to go see her sister?

Some of us think it was the perfect excuse to get someone there to pick up CY.

Do we cancel each other out?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Some of us think that the fax pickup was a perfect excuse for Meredith to revisit the scene and put her fingerprints there and thereby have an alibi for them to appear there.

A person can't "revisit a crime scene" if she was never there in the first place. You sleuthing skills seem to be way off on this case, CJ.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Maybe that's why she wasn't so brutally honest.


How do you know what she said when the call was transferred? Once it was established that there was no pulse, that Michelle was stiff and cold and the call was transferred, we don't know what she said. Until we do, you can't really say.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Dida]

Originally posted by lilismom



How do you know what she said when the call was transferred? Once it was established that there was no pulse, that Michelle was stiff and cold and the call was transferred, we don't know what she said. Until we do, you can't really say.

IMO,
Lilismom

I am amazed she did as well as she did. If I walked in to find my sister murdered on the floor, and my niece wandering around in the midst of it, I have no way of knowing what I might say. And neither does anyone else, imo.

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
You expect to receive brutal honesty about murder from someone who is from a mob town like Sayville, where sistercide is common.

Mob town? What are you talking about?

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Dida


I am amazed she did as well as she did. If I walked in to find my sister murdered on the floor, and my niece wandering around in the midst of it, I have no way of knowing what I might say. And neither does anyone else, imo.

jmo


Hello Dida, you senior member you! :seeya:

I agree. I'm generally a calm person under pressure, even in the face of death, at funerals etc. I am usually the one that makes all of the arrangements and is the contact person for the funeral director. Calm, responsible, fixer. That's me. Now, if I found my sister dead, and under these circumstances, I don't know what I would do. Run screaming? Call 911 and simply say "send help to ____". Get the child out and call from the car? I don't know and I pray I don't ever have to find out.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

http://www.geocities.com/timmlimm/mob.htm

Let me see if understand this. Because John Gotti's chef lived in Sayville, it's a mob town?

I should call my college roommate, who was from West Islip AND has an Italian last name, and ask her if she's in the mob. Wow, I never knew.

But all of that aside, what are you saying? That Michelle was a mob hit?

jmo

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

http://www.geocities.com/timmlimm/mob.htm

That is someone's personal webpage. Please tell me that you don't believe everything you read on the web. (You didn't fall for that "once in a lifetime" Mars phenomenon, did you?)

[Samiya]

Oh so what you're saying is the Meredith "grew up Gotti"?

dunno what you're smoking but it seems hazardous to your health.

Sami

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Ain't Meredith in this picture?
http://www.geocities.com/oldsayville/serena.htm

Yes, she is, along with several other young women, including one who, apparently, was murdered by someone named Serena Martin, according to the article in this link. So what exactly is your point? Is Serena Martin out of jail? Do you think she is still killing cheerleaders? Is that what you think happened to Michelle?

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Ain't Meredith in this picture?
http://www.geocities.com/oldsayville/serena.htm

Yeah, she is Joe. Standing, back row, 5th from left, right beside the murder victim, Charity Miranda.

[Lindsey]

Was Linda Fisher still the cheerleader coach when that happened? I don't know.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Dida


Yes, she is, along with several other young women, including one who, apparently, was murdered by someone named Serena Martin, according to the article in this link. So what exactly is your point? Is Serena Martin out of jail? Do you think she is still killing cheerleaders? Is that what you think happened to Michelle?

Not only along with but right beside the murder victim.

[Dida]

Originally posted by Lindsey


Not only along with but right beside the murder victim.

And your point is?

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by lilismom


(snip)

Once it was established that there was no pulse, that Michelle was stiff and cold ...

(snip)
IMO,
Lilismom

That's when MF's voice "calmed down" completely, IMO. She sounded relieved to me at a time that I think most people would have had trouble "holding it together". Listen to it again with that in mind and see what you hear.

IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by Lindsey


That's when MF's voice "calmed down" completely, IMO. She sounded relieved to me at a time that I think most people would have had trouble "holding it together". Listen to it again with that in mind and see what you hear.

IMO

I have listened to it, Lindsey, a number of times. We apparently hear different things. jmo

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Dida


I have listened to it, Lindsey, a number of times. We apparently hear different things. jmo

Okay.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Lindsey
Was Linda Fisher still the cheerleader coach when that happened? I don't know.

I know it's been said that Linda Fisher was the cheerleader coach and that's probably how MF made the team.

Was Linda still coaching when the girl was murdered?

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
The, er, African connection is also very suspicious. Makes one think that it's a drug thing. Of course, the mob is into drugs, too. Maybe that's why the FBI is looking at this.

I am trying so hard not to laugh, because nothing about this murder is funny to me. But this takes all of the self-restraint I can muster. jmo

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Some of us think that the fax pickup was a perfect excuse for Meredith to revisit the scene and put her fingerprints there and thereby have an alibi for them to appear there.

How lucky for Meredith that her BIL called her to go to his house and pick up a useless "fax/computer printout", only to discover his pregnant wife bludgeoned to death and his child unattended.

Anyone that believes in those kind of odds really should run out and buy lottery tickets.

MOO

Swabby

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
When I see someone living off others with no visible means of support, taking drugs, everything provided for her, I wonder. She's from a mob town. I wouldn't be surprised if the mob is somehow involved.

I really don't get this.

AND what do you mean "living off of others"?

Got a link for that?

Nebbermind.

MOO

Swabby

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
When I see someone living off others with no visible means of support, taking drugs, everything provided for her, I wonder. She's from a mob town. I wouldn't be surprised if the mob is somehow involved.

I assure you the Mob doesn't kill pregnant women.

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Well, for one thing her mother bought her a house. Where did the mother get the money? Who bought her the car? She recently went to an expensive salon for a wax job. How does an unemployed baby sitter/waitress do that?

I don't know the answers to any of those questions, nor do I find them relevant. I can guess, however, that none of the funds came from a life insurance policy. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Oh, I forgot, she sold an expensive purse on eBay.

I don't find what MF does with her personal belongings relevant either. jmo

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Well, for one thing her mother bought her a house. Where did the mother get the money? Who bought her the car? She recently went to an expensive salon for a wax job. How does an unemployed baby sitter/waitress do that?

My apologies.

I don't need A link, I need a bevy of them.

MOO

Swabby

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
snip~
Yeah, it was a NEW purse with the tags still on it. Don't you take those items back to the store and get a full refund instead of selling them at half price on eBay?

Not if you keep said purse too long to be able to return it. I have a few NWT purses I'm going to sell on Ebay. Nothing sinister going on.

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Yeah, it was a NEW purse with the tags still on it. Don't you take those items back to the store and get a full refund instead of selling them at half price on eBay? What else does she sell? Where does she get the items that she sells? Was that the purse Jason bought Michelle? Did she give the money to Jason?

Well, Joe, if you find the answers to those questions so fascinating, you might consider doing some research to see if you can find the answers. Since I don't find any of that information relevant to the murder of Michelle Young, I don't care. jmo

But FWIW, if that purse had been Michelle's and she did not give the proceeds to Jason, I think the Youngs would have had Meredith arrested by now. Maybe Jason needed the money to make the mortgage payment, and Meredith was helping him out. Like she did when she went to pick up the fax. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Then you have to ask, where does an unemployed baby sitter/waitress get the clams to buy such a purse that she's not going to use?

Do you have a link to Meredith being unemployed?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Yeah, it was a NEW purse with the tags still on it. Don't you take those items back to the store and get a full refund instead of selling them at half price on eBay? What else does she sell? Where does she get the items that she sells? Was that the purse Jason bought Michelle? Did she give the money to Jason?

Ridiculous.

First of all, Jason's "fax/computer printout/excuse to get Meredith to the house" was for a Coach purse.

Besides that, who is to say that the purse even belonged to Meredith, she could have easily sold it on her EBay account for a friend or relative.

Must be tough grasping at these straws.

MOO

Swabby

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
I just find unemployed baby sitters/waitresses from mob towns who are living high off the hog with no visible means of support very interesting, especially if their fellow chearleading team members are dropping dead.

I am sure Meredith will be thrilled that you find her interesting.

How do you know what she does for a living? Maybe she sells Avon, Mary Kay, Pampered Chef and Home Interiors for a living. Its really none of your business. IMO.

I wish my mom did buy my house for me and my car. Woo hoo for me! By bringing this up you're asking for Linda to explain why she might have helped her daughter. How do you know she didn't help Michelle out when needed? You don't. If MF got everything from mommy like you're saying, the jealousy should have been the other way around.

IMO,
Lilismom

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Then you have to ask, where does an unemployed baby sitter/waitress get the clams to buy such a purse that she's not going to use?

I don't know where you live or where you get the idea that waitresses in this area are destitute.

I put myself through college and bought a house while waitressing in the same area in 1973. At well over a hundred dollars a day, I was out earning many grads, that were in their chosen "field". I am sure the tips today reflect the rise in average dinner prices.

FACT (+ MOO for the sticklers)

Swabby

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Then you have to ask, where does an unemployed baby sitter/waitress get the clams to buy such a purse that she's not going to use?

Credit card?

Gift Card?

Gift?

Maybe she herself bought it on EBAY and was reselling it?

I have never bought myself a purse that cost more than around $30 or so but I have bought clothes over the years that stayed in my closet with the tags on them. You know the ones that look great in the store and then when you get them home....not so much.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Regina.Lampert]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I assure you the Mob doesn't kill pregnant women. Ah, once again the voice of reason. Remember how you had to make the same reassurance in the Laci Peterson murder? Tried to pm you back but you were popular!!! I'll try again tomorrow, I'm watching the Soprano marathon on A&E..........lol. :seeya:

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert
Ah, once again the voice of reason. Remember how you had to make the same reassurance in the Laci Peterson murder? Tried to pm you back but you were popular!!! I'll try again tomorrow, I'm watching the Soprano marathon on A&E..........lol. :seeya:

Ciao, my friend! :seeya:

LOL, I'm an expert on the Mob!

With love,
Godmother :biggrin:

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Then you have to ask, where does an unemployed baby sitter/waitress get the clams to buy such a purse that she's not going to use?

Perhaps she bought the purse when she was employed and now needs the cash? Is it a fact she is/was unemployed?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Well, for one thing her mother bought her a house. Where did the mother get the money? Who bought her the car? She recently went to an expensive salon for a wax job. How does an unemployed baby sitter/waitress do that?

I bought a duplex for two of my daughters and a house for another. Does that mean they are not supporting themselves? Does that mean that if they spend any money on themselves they are doing something sinister or illegal?

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Do you think she was fencing stolen items for the er, African?

I am trying really hard, but I feel a laugh coming on.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by willow_1


Yes she should have been honest.I still find it hard that a 20 something year old would not know a stiff cold person was dead.I am wondering if the only time she went near Michelle was when the dispatcher insisted.She admitted at one point that she wasn't in the room.A very strange call .IMO

I'm not sure about you but I have been in two serious situations where I did not respond at all like I would have predicted. Shock does something to a person and they don't always respond in a way that would be described as rational. imo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I'm not sure about you but I have been in two serious situations where I did not respond at all like I would have predicted. Shock does something to a person and they don't always respond in a way that would be described as rational. imo

I agree, Barbara2. Of course, you realize that your premise presupposes someone understands rational. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

That's an interesting observation..... wonder how it factors in the 'an innocent person would...' rule book?

I am still waiting for a link to that super seekret rule book. TIA

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by purple


<snipped>

Ridiculing that "only sister" remark really has become a little tiresome, but that's just my opinion.

My opinion also. I think posters who are more interested in little games and less interested in communicating get ignored. imo

[Dida]

Originally posted by purple


<snip?

Ridiculing that "only sister" remark really has become a little tiresome, but that's just my opinion.

Actually, purple, I am no longer bothered by something that weak. jmo

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

That's an interesting observation..... wonder how it factors in the 'an innocent person would...' rule book?

What motive would Meredith have for killing her sister?

Why would Meredith have complied with JY's request to retrieve the document if she had killed her sister?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Captain Joe


Because it would give her an alibi for LE to find her fingerprints all over the place.

How did Meredith know JY would call her to retrieve the document?

What motive would Meredith have for killing her sister?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Captain Joe


Lotza criminals use eBay to dispose of their burgled goods and for the sale of illegal stuff. Ben Fawley used eBay to sell porn and burgled stuff.

The majority are legitimate sellers selling legitimate items. imo

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by purple


I guess when you really don't care about what happened, what the facts state, or maybe just want to run interference, then that sort of logic adds up to something. In reality, it does nothing more than insult the intelligence of people that truly want to see justice.

Most often, defense attorneys lose cases, when defending guilty clients, because they cannot offer reasonable doubt. Many scenarios can be offered, but fail in their reasonableness, in the face of the facts and evidence (or lack of it).

IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by purple


I guess when you really don't care about what happened, what the facts state, or maybe just want to run interference, then that sort of logic adds up to something. In reality, it does nothing more than insult the intelligence of people that truly want to see justice.

Well said, imo, purple.

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Jealousy. Money.

Has the content of the voice mail, and the voicemail itself been verified?

I don't know, has it?

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

You mean like what is done to support Jason Is Guilty "theories"?

I haven't seen too many of those theories, lately. Wonder why that is? Do you think it could be because this board has been trivialized, subverted, and sidetracked. Makes me go hmmmmmmmmm.

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe


Motive? How about because she just learned that she would not become the guardian of the little girl if Michelle died.

Okay, let me see if I follow this. MF would kill her sister because she would NOT become her niece's guardian. And the logic is?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Jealousy. Money.

Has the content of the voice mail, and the voicemail itself been verified?

What money did Meredith acquire from the death of her sister?

JY's phone call to Meredith's VM, asking her to retrieve the fax, and JY checking his VMs so often, has been publicized repeatedly. If it were a lie, I don't think it would be repeated. LE seized JY's cell phones, and undoubtedly checked Meredith's VMs, perhaps at the crime scene itself, to hear JY's message for themselves.

IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Then let me rephrase....

Had Jason received a 'gift' from his mother, I bet there would be 'a problem'.



:read:

Actually I think Jason did receive a gift from his mother. I believe the gift's name is Roger Smith, Jr. jmo

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by purple


Like the Satanic Cult theory?;)

Yes, and the homeless park dwellers.

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

She was pizzed off at her sister for going in favor of a Young, not a Fisher.

And she would gain what? Apparently not her niece. Apparently not any life insurance proceeds. Apparently not her beloved only sister. So, what exactly would she gain?

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Yes, and the homeless park dwellers.

No, no, it was the mob, remember?

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

The hatred between the families was great, like the Hatfields and McCoys.

Those were mountain people, right?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

I think maybe you are confusing 'an alternate theory of the crime' with 'reasonable doubt'.

Isn't the purpose of presenting an alternate theory to raise RD?

[Dida]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Isn't the purpose of presenting an alternate theory to raise RD?

There you go with the logic again. Whatever are you thinking?

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

You mean the "Trailer Park Trash"?

IIRC, CW doesn't like that term. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by purple


Right ... anger management problems.

Based on what? Could it be that all of a sudden, in the middle of the night, after smoking that pacifying pot, she became insanely filled with madness and rode her bike to her sister's house to beat her viciously and then go home, smoke a little more of that pacifying pot, and then have a nice sleep? ... only to wake up in the morning and realize that she'll now have to beat Jason viciously too because he too must have had a hand in the decision? Has she been seen lurking around Jason's home ... waiting for the perfect moment to ride her bike over and beat him the head ... after smoking some more pot?

Oh, no, you didn't. It will be fact tomorrow. And I am trying so hard not to laugh.

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
Maybe it was the Hatfields and McCoys vs the Mob and the TP trash.

Sorry, folks can't help it. :santa:

[Dida]

This is all working very nicely, I think, but I have some serious issues with Jason's alibi. Anyone else?

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Dunno. Do you?

Publicized and proven are 2 different animals.

Are you certain the Only Sister saved the phone mail?

Are you certain she didn't?

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by Dida
This is all working very nicely, I think, but I have some serious issues with Jason's alibi. Anyone else?


Ain't working.:beer:

[Dida]

Originally posted by gorealtors



Ain't working.:beer:

Are you the calvary???

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Dida


No, no, it was the mob, remember?

jmo

They get blamed for just about every crime, LOL!

IMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0


Same can be said of Jason:

Seriously, there is no reason in the world for Jason to harm Michelle. Normal, healthy, well-adjusted married couples like J&M have ways of resolving difficulties that don't involve rage resulting in murder - while a little girl sleeps in the next room.

They may have been healthy but there is reason to believe that their marriage was not. Possible motive on his part. imo

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston



Normal, healthy, well-adjusted married couples don't have extra-marital relationships.
:confused:

GROUNDHOG DAY!!!! Everybody take cover. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Not after his mother found the mallet.

I thought the neighbors found that when they took pity on the yard and mowed it?

[Dida]

Originally posted by purple


I'm not inclined to think that Jason is normal anymore. His response to learning that his wife has been murdered is anything but normal. Think about it. This is a 31 year old man and, upon learning that his wife has been murdered, he quits his job, leaves town, runs to mommy, claims he's scared the police with frame him (obvious paranoia), and refuses to cooperate at any level with the very people that want to solve the crime.

Not Normal.

Anymore?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
No reason to believe the sister's relationship was 'healthy' either.

There has been no evidence to suggest the sisters relationship was not healthy. imo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

I thot that the boy with emotional problems was a friend of the Goth kid who lived in the TP out back. Two different people.

extraneous jmo

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/extraneous

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Dida
This is all working very nicely, I think, but I have some serious issues with Jason's alibi. Anyone else?

I have serious issues with JY asking Meredith to retrieve the fax. Much was made of that, and the fishiness of it, from day one.

IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

In light of the fact that there is no 'play book' on how an innocent person v a guilty person reacts, it's not abnormal either.


I am glad to learn there is no playbook. I thought I was missing the rules on that 911 call. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Michelle fired Meredith as baby sitter.

Link?

[gorealtors]

Originally posted by Dida


Are you the calvary???


Not exactly sure what you mean. I was agreeing with you and backing you up.:)

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Dunno. Do you?

Publicized and proven are 2 different animals.

Are you certain the Only Sister saved the phone mail?

If JY never sent Meredith there that day, I have no doubt JY would not have remained silent about such a crucial untruth, which cast suspicion upon him immediately.

IMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

There has been no evidence to suggest the married couple's relationship was not healthy.

There might not be proof but there is evidence to suggest.

1. She left for two weeks after the TA to stay with her mother. (Most healthy couples would be supporting each other at a time like that.)

2. He left for California without her and their child. (Most healthy couples would not take an extravagant vacation like that leaving one at home, along with the child.)

3. He had a romantic relationship (according to a police report to a reporter) with another woman.

There may be others that are known but not published so I'll leave them out.

IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Wasn't there a rumor that she kicked her out of the house too?

RUMOR???? As in BS and rumor???? That is LIBEL. Are you feeling all right?

[Dida]

Originally posted by gorealtors



Not exactly sure what you mean. I was agreeing with you and backing you up.:)

I know. The calvary. Thank you! I didn't think you would ever get here.

[Dida]

Originally posted by purple


And then he had secret rendezvous' with her in the park at midnight on Tuesdays, or was that Fridays?

Oh, no, stop, I'm going to laugh again.

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Michelle caught her smoking dope in the house while baby sitting. I heard.

Too late. :santa:

[Dida]

Originally posted by gorealtors



Yea Dida. I am going to chalk that up to an earlier post of his that stated something to the effect that he tossed "ideas and thoughts" out to see if he could separate fact from fiction. GMAB.JMO

Rod Serling would be proud. jmo

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

One can make allegations and suggestions all day long, it's not necessarily evidence that the marriage was unhealthy.

You said that there was nothing to "suggest" the marriage was unhealthy. Those are the "suggestions". imo

[myownopera]

I said at the very beginning -- LE has NO idea who killed Michelle and I say it again -- they have no idea.

MOO
MOP

[lilismom]

Originally posted by myownopera
I said at the very beginning -- LE has NO idea who killed Michelle and I say it again -- they have no idea.

MOO
MOP

Could be. I doubt it though. I think they know, they just can't prove it.

If they had NO idea, like if there was foreign DNA found at the crime scene, I think that would have gotten out by now. I also think they would stop saying JY is uncooperative. It wouldn't matter then. He wouldn't be able to help them either.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Actually I said there is 'no evidence to suggest'. What you listed isn't evidence of anything until one puts a spin on it.

A woman leaving her husband for two weeks, a husband going on an extravagant vacation without his wife and a husband having a romantic relationship with another woman isn't spin. It is what it is and points to an unhealthy marriage. imo

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Since everyone is different and reacts differently, your list would be worthless.


Does this apply to MF on the 911 call as well?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Nope. It's not evidence of a troubled marriage no matter how you want to spin it. You have no idea of the 'why' for item 1 and 2 and as for item 3, I"ll take the word of SM over a reporter as to the type of relationship JY and MM have.

Has SM seem the emails? Why should we believe him?

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

One can make allegations and suggestions all day long, it's not necessarily evidence that the marriage was unhealthy.

I believe that if there is ever a case presented against JY he will win it. I think his defense will poke major holes in this case if they try and pull out the weak " evidence " they have. IMO

Justice

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ReedJ


I believe that if there is ever a case presented against JY he will win it. I think his defense will poke major holes in this case if they try and pull out the weak " evidence " they have. IMO

Justice

If there is a case brought it is because a judge believes there is sufficient evidence correct? So you'll be happy if the state presents a crappy case and he walks? I don't see the "win".

IMO,
Lilismom

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by lilismom



Does this apply to MF on the 911 call as well?

IMO,
Lilismom

Imagine what they'd say if JY made that flat 911 call and not Mere. JMO:eek:

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by lilismom


If there is a case brought it is because a judge believes there is sufficient evidence correct? So you'll be happy if the state presents a crappy case and he walks? I don't see the "win".

IMO,
Lilismom

No, The judge can only dismiss after the case is presented as far as I know. Yes I will be happy when he walks, of course. I believe he's innocent. JMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

If Jason didn't leave the vm for Meredith, there is no indication when LE disclosed that info to him. He could have learned of it after he refered LE to his atty.

Meredith didn't mention it in the 911 call, instead she said she was there on a 'fluke' :shrug:

When this crime was first broke in the media, much was made of JY sending Meredith to the house to retrieve the fax because, it was stated, JY had never before made a such a request of her. That's why Meredith likely used the word "fluke" to describe her presence there that day.

Wouldn't JY's attorney have spoken to the media/LE to deny JY had sent Meredith there, if it wasn't true?

LE has already verified the existence of that document, so how would Meredith have known about it if JY hadn't truly sent her there?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
So they took separate vacations. She started it, didn't she.

Going home to her mom for two weeks after the trauma she suffered is not exactly a vacation. It is a sign of an unhealthy marriage that she turned to someone else besides her husband during a time like that. imo

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ReedJ


Imagine what they'd say if JY made that flat 911 call and not Mere. JMO:eek:


Aww, J, seems like you're always trying to help me....you're right but that's not what I asked.

I asked if the same rules regarding people's reactions applied to the call and Meredith.

IMO,
Lilismom

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Going home to her mom for two weeks after the trauma she suffered is not exactly a vacation. It is a sign of an unhealthy marriage that she turned to someone else besides her husband during a time like that. imo

Sounds like cherrypicking to me. JMO

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ReedJ


No, The judge can only dismiss after the case is presented as far as I know. Yes I will be happy when he walks, of course. I believe he's innocent. JMO

I wasn't talking about a dismissal. I was talking about an actual trial. You said if he is brought to trial he will win. If the DA puts on a sloppy case and he walks, with evidence enough to support a charge to be brought to begin with, and he walks. You'll still be happy?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Nope. It's not evidence of a troubled marriage no matter how you want to spin it. You have no idea of the 'why' for item 1 and 2 and as for item 3, I"ll take the word of SM over a reporter as to the type of relationship JY and MM have.

LE has more information regarding the relationship. I'll take their word.

The first two are suggestions of trouble. Put them all together and a betting person would bet that the relationship was troubled. Seeing a therapist COULD also point to a troubled marriage. imo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


<snip>

Wouldn't JY's attorney have spoken to the media/LE to deny JY had sent Meredith there, if it wasn't true?

<snip>

It would certainly seem so to me. jmo

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ReedJ


Probably more so. Women are rarely held accountable like men. IMO


Uh, what?

So, in your opinion, people's reactions are entirely different and it isn't fair to judge one v. the other in any given situation?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

<snip>

As it stands, LE hasn't even solved the case :shrug:

No, it would appear they have not. And that, to me, is tragic. jmo

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida


It would certainly seem so to me. jmo

Why bother? Best to wait for a trial and let the stroy die in the media. IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by lilismom



Uh, what?

So, in your opinion, people's reactions are entirely different and it isn't fair to judge one v. the other in any given situation?

IMO,
Lilismom

I'm saying if JY makes that flat 911 call he's a " sociopath" and when Mere makes it she's just " upset" ....it's the way of the world. IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by ReedJ


Why bother? Best to wait for a trial and let the stroy die in the media. IMO

Actually, Reed, the media isn't doing much with this story these days. Too little public information. I, like most people here, would welcome a trial, but that doesn't seem to be happening either. So what we are left with, is the murder of a beautiful young pregnant mother of a precious little girl, and no one held accountable. I find that terribly sad, personally. jmo

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by lilismom


I wasn't talking about a dismissal. I was talking about an actual trial. You said if he is brought to trial he will win. If the DA puts on a sloppy case and he walks, with evidence enough to support a charge to be brought to begin with, and he walks. You'll still be happy?

IMO,
Lilismom

I will be happy anyway he can find to walk. I believe that he is innocent but because he's a man he could be convicted. JMO

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ReedJ


I'm saying if JY makes that flat 911 call he's a " sociopath" and when Mere makes it she's just " upset" ....it's the way of the world. IMO


Ok so, you still didn't answer the question asked. Thanks for trying though. I'll wait for AE.

IMO,
Lilismom

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida


Actually, Reed, the media isn't doing much with this story these days. Too little public information. I, like most people here, would welcome a trial, but that doesn't seem to be happening either. So what we are left with, is the murder of a beautiful young pregnant mother of a precious little girl, and no one held accountable. I find that terribly sad, personally. jmo

My point was that it is a better for JY and his lawyers to let it die in the media instead of fueling any articles with comments. My opinion differs from yours because I believe he's innocent and would rather see the case go cold than a conviction for the sake of closure. JMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

LE's 'word' is that it was a email and phone call relationship.

Can't agree since we don't know the whole story on either of those situations. Seeing a therapist COULD point to a lot of different things.

The article said that the detective said "romantic relationship". It doesn't seem that the WCSO asked for a correction so I'll take their word over the husband who may not have been told the truth. (In addition to the fact that I did hear the forgiveness statement before it disappeared from the net.)

Add the therapist into all of the other known facts of the relationship and it equates to a troubled marriage. IMO, JMO, MOO

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ReedJ


I will be happy anyway he can find to walk. I believe that he is innocent but because he's a man he could be convicted. JMO


So that's the only reason? Pretty sad. The least you could have said was I'll wait for the evidence at trial. Jeez.

IMO,
Lilismom

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by lilismom



So that's the only reason? Pretty sad. The least you could have said was I'll wait for the evidence at trial. Jeez.

IMO,
Lilismom

Why should there be a trial with no evidence? That's what's really sad, trying to give a jury a chance to convict on emotion ...which they may. IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by ReedJ


My point was that it is a better for JY and his lawyers to let it die in the media instead of fueling any articles with comments. My opinion differs from yours because I believe he's innocent and would rather see the case go cold than a conviction for the sake of closure. JMO

I've never said "he" was guilty, Reed.

But I would hate to see this case go cold. I believe Michelle deserves justice. I believe her unborn son deserves justice. I don't want a conviction for the sake of closure. I want a conviction of whoever did this to Michelle Young. And I want them to fry in He!!.

jmo of course

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
But you are just assuming she went to her mom's cuz the mariiage was unhealthy. You don't what Michelle and Jason said to each other about it.

I know what the majority of happily married couples would say about it.

I also know what the majority of happily married couples would say about their spouse leaving soon after that break to go across country to Disneyland.

The activities in the months preceding her murder don't indicate a healthy marriage. If their marriage was healthy, I believe they did a good job of hiding it.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ReedJ


Why should there be a trial with no evidence? That's what's really sad, trying to give a jury a chance to convict on emotion ...which they may. IMO

What's sad is that you're so hung up on the man getting the short end that it appears that you won't even listen to whatever evidence they may have, at trial, and hope he walks because YOU think he's innocent. I get it. Thanks.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Dida]

Originally posted by purple


I would never have imagined a 160 IQ could result in such unusual reasoning.

What is that expression about a thin line?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

It wasn't WCSO's "word", but take it however you wish.

Disappeared off the net

Until it is revealed what was discussed in the therapy session, it's a leap to just assume it was over any marital issues.

Like I said...once the spin is applied....

It's not spin. It's a fairly normal assumption. If a person has other information that isn't readily available on "the net", they might have an even better idea.

The information regarding the apology was there but is no longer available. There are links that are no longer live links. News organizations do not keep information indefinitely on their websites.

If you don't want to believe it, that's fine. It doesn't change the outcome of the case. LE knows and that's all that really matters. imo

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by lilismom


What's sad is that you're so hung up on the man getting the short end that it appears that you won't even listen to whatever evidence they may have, at trial, and hope he walks because YOU think he's innocent. I get it. Thanks.

IMO,
Lilismom

The only evidence that he killed her is that he was married to her. It's sad that alot posters feel that's enough. IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by purple


If Jason made the call, he would have started by saying "I've fallen plumb to my knees and I can't get up ... "

I bet Linda Fisher fell plumb to her knees when she heard the tragic news. JMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by purple


If Jason made the call, he would have started by saying "I've fallen plumb to my knees and I can't get up ... "

Oh, purple, that is simply not fair. I had stopped laughing. GMAB will you?

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida


I've never said "he" was guilty, Reed.

But I would hate to see this case go cold. I believe Michelle deserves justice. I believe her unborn son deserves justice. I don't want a conviction for the sake of closure. I want a conviction of whoever did this to Michelle Young. And I want them to fry in He!!.

jmo of course

The problem is they are clearly struggling with this case and their only shot at a conviction is to try a nail the husband. IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

The story didn't break before Jason was notified of his wife's death.

Not necessarily.

She was at the house, all she had to do was look on the printer.

It would seem that she was busy looking at other things. jmo

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ReedJ


The only evidence that he killed her is that he was married to her. It's sad that alot posters feel that's enough. IMO


I don't think its enough. You said at trial he will win. I am assuming that to get to trial, there has to be some evidence. I don't think that if they get that far the only evidence will be that he was married to her.

Enough of this.

Nite folks.

IMO,
Lilismom

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by lilismom



I don't think its enough. You said at trial he will win. I am assuming that to get to trial, there has to be some evidence. I don't think that if they get that far the only evidence will be that he was married to her.

Enough of this.

Nite folks.

IMO,
Lilismom

Oh please. You can bring almost anything to trial and sell it to a jury. IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Gracia


ReedJ I really don't think that " the husband " would be nailed unless he is the murderer. LE really wants the person responsible for this gruesome crime.

Why wouldn't they?

Do you really, truely believe that LE wants to pin the crime on an innocent person and not have the person that committed the murder?

I think they would rather have the "murderer" but I also believe they made their decision who the murderer was on day one. They've struggled so much because I believe he didn;t do it and consequently they have no evidence. Now I think they will do what it takes to make him "fit" as the perp. JMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Absolutely.

Her describing what LE called the most gruesome crime scene they had seen in 20 yrs as 'not what it normally looks like' is still bizarre and odd.

People say a lot of bizarre and odd things when they are in shock. That doesn't surprise me in the least.

If she had responded perfectly in that call, I would guess there would be some who claimed it was scripted and rehearsed.

[Dida]

Me too, lilismom. G'night everyone. Sweet dreams.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Why do you think they have to insist there was an affair?

They need something on JY. It's a way to try and villify a man without evidence. IMO

[Lindsey]

Michelle did not go to NY to recover from the abortion. She chose to spend her vacation in NY with friends and family. She was already pregnant again when she went on her two (2) week vacation to NY.

20 weeks pregnant at time of death. Got a calendar?

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by purple


There's a contradiction in there somewhere. They would rather have the murderer, but rather than do a proper investigation to find the murderer the police made a snap decision and have unwaveringly pursued that incorrect decision since the beginning. That doesn't add up.

Sure it does. They probably really believed in their mind that he was the killer on day one. IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by purple


Give people a little more credit ... it is not the media that runs trials, they report on trials. As a Canadian, I would hope you are aware of that distinction, particularly in Canada where trial information is not available until the time of trial.

We're talking about the U.S where you get a play by play every night. Cable news on a loop that can easily influence a jury pool. IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by purple


So police beg the question ... they come to an instant conclusion and then proceed to prove that conclusion? Can you provide a link to this information, or is this a little bit of paranoia - similar to Jason.

Oh there is no link...that's the beauty of it. IMO.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by purple


Is this what you're looking for:

"Investigators have also said he had been involved in a romantic relationship with Michelle Money, a married Florida woman who graduated from N.C. State University around the same time as the Youngs."

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/571385.html

Thanks purple but we were talking about SM saying that he forgave his wife. I don't think that link is available anymore.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by purple


Seems to me that you're quoting a case where justice was done.

I never saw the stripper go to jail for being a liar and making a false accusation. JMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Captain Joe
It's just another example of the double standard that the LE has. They try to make cases where the husband is cheating on his wife, but members of LE are doing it all the time. LE has a divorce rate exceeding 50% but they go after husbands who are cheating like a passion, like it's a sin worse than murder.

If Donnie's wife had ended up dead, his affair would be relevant. Since that didn't happen his affair is only relevant to those in his family. It's not a double standard. If his wife was murdered, I would hope they would investigate him.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Oh so now it was on the RADIO.

Some swore they read where he said that, some swore they saw him interviewed on video and heard him say it.

Now it was a RADIO broadcast.



:rolleyes:

You're missing the point.

It doesn't matter. LE knows. Whether I know or you know doesn't matter. That just satisfies curiosity. It is what it is or what it isn't. Your disbelief doesn't make one iota of difference.

You're free to enjoy ignorance of the information. imo

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by willow_1


I thought the vacation thing was settled. Michelle had so much vacation time .she decided to use it and go to see her mom,and do some shopping in NY.Jason used his to go to Ca. with his parents. I thing it takes a very healthy marriage to do this.Michelle didn't go to recuperate,she was pregnant with this last child when she went.IMO

I don't know of too many young couples who take separate vacations and spend weeks apart from one another. I'm not sure how that's defined as being healthy.

It doesn't really matter. As I have said, LE has the information and they don't care what we discuss here. They know. imo

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by purple


Isn't he still in jail?

I guess I don't pay too much attention to cases that are half a century old and tried prior to modern science. They had an entirely different set of circumstances to deal with.

For example, in the case of Steven Truscott, the medical examiner stated that , based on stomach contents, time of death could be determined within 45 minutes accuracy. That was only 20 or 30 years ago. Much has changed in that time. It's simply not true, but then it was considered a medical fact.

I think that you might be thinking of McDonald.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I don't know of too many young couples who take separate vacations and spend weeks apart from one another. I'm not sure how that's defined as being healthy.

It doesn't really matter. As I have said, LE has the information and they don't care what we discuss here. They know. imo

Would it make a difference to you to know they took a family vacation, as in together, before they took their separate vacations?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Awww thanks for the eyeroll.

The ones blissful in ignorance are those ignoring the FACT that LE didn't say 'romantic' or 'affair' on the SW where they told a judge about MM admitting to almost daily email or phone contact with JY. Not a word. They haven't even been directly quoted as saying either. :eek:

Doesn't look like it's me who's enjoying "ignorance of the information"

IT DOESN'T MATTER. I'm not sure how much clearer I can make it. You can believe whatever you like. I can believe whatever I like. It doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is what LE KNOWS. I may or may not know some of that information. You may or may not know some of that information. It doesn't impact the case what we believe. Only the known evidence is important to the case and the resolution of the murder of an innocent woman and her child. imo

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Lindsey


Would it make a difference to you to know they took a family vacation, as in together, before they took their separate vacations?

Not necessarily. There are a lot of scenarios where a couple may try to make a last ditch effort to make it work and come to the realization that they can't fix it. And then spend a great deal of time apart before making the final break.

I'm not saying that happened in this case but knowing that they took a vacation together as a family wouldn't necessarily negate the negative impact of the separation. imo

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by purple


Was that the time when they got into a car accident? Or was it another vacation? I haven't read that anywhere. Do you know where or when?

I don't want to really get into the dates of pregnancies and vacations, but Michelle lost the baby in early June, is that right? Wasn't the accident on May 27? When did she visit her mom?

I believe the car accident was May 29, Memorial Day Weekend. Michelle was 20 weeks pregnant when she died so that makes date of conception for her last pregnancy approx June 15th. Early insiders here said the NY vacation and the Calif vacation were in late July.

I'm talking about a real vacation, not just a visit to family members, before the car accident. Sorry I don't have a link to that.