Michelle YOUNG

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Lindsey


I believe the car accident was May 29, Memorial Day Weekend. Michelle was 20 weeks pregnant when she died so that makes date of conception for her last pregnancy approx June 15th. Early insiders here said the NY vacation and the Calif vacation were in late July.

I'm talking about a real vacation, not just a visit to family members, before the car accident. Sorry I don't have a link to that.

It seems that these dates keep changing.

It's a shame that the early insiders were chased off and their posts were erased. imo

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Not necessarily. There are a lot of scenarios where a couple may try to make a last ditch effort to make it work and come to the realization that they can't fix it. And then spend a great deal of time apart before making the final break.

I'm not saying that happened in this case but knowing that they took a vacation together as a family wouldn't necessarily negate the negative impact of the separation. imo

That doesn't surprise me that it doesn't make a difference to you. But what separation are you talking about? Separate vacations does not mean a couple are separated!

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0


Well, if IT DOESN'T MATTER why are you here?

And please refrain from telling me that what I believe DOESN'T MATTER. tia!

Sorry to disappoint you, but it doesn't.

I'm here to discuss the case with reasonable people and gain information.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Barbara2


It seems that these dates keep changing.

It's a shame that the early insiders were chased off and their posts were erased. imo

I agree it's a shame!

eord11 is one of the insiders that posted about the vacations and s/he is still around. Maybe s/he will weigh in on the dates.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Lindsey


That doesn't surprise me that it doesn't make a difference to you. But what separation are you talking about? Separate vacations does not mean a couple are separated!

You disappoint me. I misjudged.

Explain why it doesn't surprise you that it doesn't make a difference to me, if you don't mind.

Her leaving to visit home for two weeks followed by him leaving for California for a week is a three week separation from each other. How would you describe it?

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Barbara2


You disappoint me. I misjudged.

Explain why it doesn't surprise you that it doesn't make a difference to me, if you don't mind.

Her leaving to visit home for two weeks followed by him leaving for California for a week is a three week separation from each other. How would you describe it?

Being apart from each other for two or even three weeks does not make them separated as in having problems with their marriage.

According to your definition, I guess my husband and I will be "separated" for the two weeks that I'm going to visit our daughters and other relatives? I don't think so.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Nor does it mean the marriage is 'unhealthy'

Exactly.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by agathachristie


You are putting your *spin* on things.

She took a two week respite in NY with her daughter.

When she returned, he took a week away with his family.

So, he had three weeks off without any responsibility .

He was home alone for two weeks.

Wonder what he did ?

We know he spent no time fixing the garage door .

Nor did he fix the heat pump .

What was he doing ?

Was he boating ?

Was he feverishly emailing the other woman ?

Did he have company ?

One wonders ..... MOO......Aggie

What spin?? You're making me dizzy.

She took a two week vacation. Nothing wrong with that, IMO.

He took a one week vacation. Nothing wrong with that, IMO.

Who said the garage door opener was broken in July?

I do believe you're right that he was not fixing a heat pump in July.

Do you know anybody that runs their heat pump in July?

Good grief, Charlie Brown!

[Surfside6]

one sign that a marriage is "unhealthy" is when the husband murders his pregnant wife.
imo

[BiggerRedDog]

Originally posted by Surfside6
one sign that a marriage is "unhealthy" is when the husband murders his pregnant wife.
imo That is a pretty clear sign, Surfside6.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Lindsey

Was Linda Fisher still the cheerleader coach when that happened? I don't know.

You "don't know"??

But, you later responded to your own post as follows:

Originally posted by Lindsey

I know it's been said that Linda Fisher was the cheerleader coach and that's probably how MF made the team.

Was Linda still coaching when the girl was murdered?

Since you previously posted about Jewell's untimely death and the bombing in Atlanta, I'm wondering if you're interested in knowing how Michelle made it to the Olympics in Atlanta Georgia.

"Cheerleading" seems to weigh heavily on your mind.

Here's an honest question for you:

Did you personally know Michelle and/or Meredith before Michelle was murdered?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Ciao, my friend! :seeya:

LOL, I'm an expert on the Mob!

With love,
Godmother :biggrin:


LOL! :seeya:

Do you know of anyone that's an expert about

"Cheerleaders"?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Dida


No, no, it was the mob, remember?

jmo

I think it was someone with a

"mob mentality" not associated with the Mob.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Dida


Those were mountain people, right?

I had heard that Eric Randolph thought those mountain people were very generous.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Lindsey


(snipped)

when she died

(snipped)


Your repetitive and consistent posts of "when she died" instead of "when she was murdered" makes me dizzy. Perhaps you're trying to save some bandwidth?

I believe you've previously opined about how "picky" I am when it comes to some of your posts, so I assume you might feel the same way about this one.

Do you happen to recall how Michelle died? Or, is that a subject you prefer not to think about?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by purple


I agree. References to "the girl" are in the same category as "only sister" and "when she died". They all appear to ridicule the victim's family.

The little girl was in the house when the only sister discovered her dead sister's body. The husband was out of town when his wife's body was discovered.

It's a case of homicide. Michelle was murdered.

To make light of that subject or ridicule the victim's family is not going to avoid any arrest(s) or diminish the overall facts of the case.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by purple
Actually, references to "the girl" brings me back to Aruba, where Dutch protocol said something about how people can be identified.

It's not appropriate in this case.


The husband's silence in this case is not appropriate.

I don't believe he wants to be "identified" by any protocol.

I think LE/DA said the therapist's notes would give them a better understanding of who the perpetrator is so they could "identify" that person.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by purple


I think the phrase "the girl" has been used to refer to Michelle.

That, to me, in addition to other derogatory remarks like "only sister" and "when she died", well ...

It appears that the idea is to objectify Michelle, as though she is "the girl" 'that died' with an "only sister." A non-person without name, cause of death, or family.

For the record, five minutes is not long enough for the police to get Jason's alibi ... it's not like he went down the street and came back. Jason was apparently all over the place and it is impossible for Jason to describe all his routes and stops in five minutes - while also invoking his rights because someone has, in his perception, been rude to him; something he apparently never recovered from.

I expect that if he's still not recovered from rudeness that he perceived when he arrived at the crime scene, he's got something to hide. Ten months is enough time for a healthy guy to get over it. Mentally ill guys, like guys that murder their wives, probably never quite recover from talking to the police at the scene of the crime.

So ... what's the prognosis ... will Jason ever recover sufficiently from his paranoia and fear of rudeness that he is able to cooperate with his wife's murder investigation?

Bets?

I agree that a floundering husband would probably have many things to hide. Helplessly lost, he'd need more than those 5 maps to find himself. IMO.

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


You obviously are not educated in forensic pathology. Full rigor gave the ME a clue she was likely dead 7-12 hours. Her body temp would then further define probable TOD. Unfortunately, the decline in body temp per hour can vary by a total of 7 hours.

<snip>


If I understand you correctly, the TOD would be between 1:30 and 6:30 am?

[Dida]

10 months today. I still believe in justice.

For Michelle and her unborn son :rose:

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


You did not understand me correctly. :cool:

Please clarify for me, then, if you would. :)

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


I believe the actual TOD was between 1:30 am and 5 am.

Wonder what Jason was doing in his motel room at that time to cover his alibi ?

I know one thing, he was not asleep :cool:

imo

Has it ever been established at exactly what time JY left Raleigh?

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston



No proof by way of LE or media. However, I have reason to believe it was shortly after MY's friend arrived , around 8 pm

If that is true, a 2 1/2 hour drive would put him in Hillsville around 10:30, right? Which would correlate with the alleged 11:00 telephone call, I suppose.

So when was Jason seen next? At his meeting?

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


Thats correct. He called a friend at 10:30 and then MY at 11 pm.
Unless he went to the front desk around 3 am for something, he would not be seen in a time frame for a solid alibi. imo

So, if he left Hillsville after the alleged 11:00 telephone call, he could not have gotten back to Raleigh until 1:30 or 2:00 am. I have seen supposition that it is approximately a 5 hour drive from Raleigh to the alleged site of the meeting. And IIRC correctly, the meeting was scheduled for 10:00, or at least that is believed to be the case. So if JY left Raleigh by 5:00 am, he could have driven to the meeting. That is a 3 hour window.

I am trying to work this out in my mind, so please correct me if I have misstated something.

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


You are right on....;)

I appreciate your help. I was not here early on, and missed a lot of that discussion.

3 hours is a long time. If LE is still focused on JY, I can understand their difficulty with his alibi.

jmo

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Captain Joe


Because it would give her an alibi for LE to find her fingerprints all over the place.

Ok I have a question, does anyone know what time JY called MF to pick up the document?? What if he called at like 11pm or midnight the night before and asked her to pick it up in the morning, if Meredith killed Michelle that would be the perfect way to frame Jason, using the fax pick up that we all agree is strange. It also wouldn't be a coincidence that she picked the fax up the night her sister was murdered. It would be the reason she had for going there in the first place, not to find Michelle but to establish an alibi. IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by JD1974


Ok I have a question, does anyone know what time JY called MF to pick up the document?? What if he called at like 11pm or midnight the night before and asked her to pick it up in the morning, if Meredith killed Michelle that would be the perfect way to frame Jason, using the fax pick up that we all agree is strange. It also wouldn't be a coincidence that she picked the fax up the night her sister was murdered. It would be the reason she had for going there in the first place, not to find Michelle but to establish an alibi. IMO

I am afraid you have lost me. How would JY calling MF the night before enable MF to frame JY?

But IIRC, it is said that the message from JY regarding the fax pickup was left that morning.

jmo

[JD1974]

Originally posted by purple


Maybe I should help that silly theory along a bit ... anger management problems, that's why she studied psychology, to self-analyze, self assess and, obviously, she's not working in the field of psychology because she never intended to work with it, only took the degree to help herself deal with her anger management problems - along with that pot smoking tendency.

Seriously, there is no reason in the world for Meredith to harm Michelle. Normal, healthy, well-adjusted sisters like M&M have ways of resolving difficulties that don't involve rage resulting in murder - while a little girl sleeps in the next room.


I studied psycology, I had to quit because of severe bi-polar. You don't think psychiatrists ever have mental instabilities, that is kind of like saying MD's never need to see a doctor for illnesses. IMO

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Barbara2


Going home to her mom for two weeks after the trauma she suffered is not exactly a vacation. It is a sign of an unhealthy marriage that she turned to someone else besides her husband during a time like that. imo


Sometimes when a woman has an experience like that she gravitates toward her mother. I did. My mother lived 2 blocks away and I didn't go home for 3 weeks. Sometimes the only thing you want to hear or feel is the person who gave birth to you and knows you better than you know yourself. Sorry but men don't understand what happens to a woman who loses a baby, to them the baby isn't even real yet, but to a mother the baby is real from conception. Other mothers understand that.

[Dida]

Originally posted by willow_1


Nor could LE prove he wasn't in his room asleep.I think LE has to prove he did this ,not he has to prove he didn't. Isn't that the way our justice system works?

Actually, Willow, I think what you are describing is in the courtroom. I believe that part of LE's job is to validate an alibi, or not.

jmo

[snowshuze]

Originally posted by JD1974



Sometimes when a woman has an experience like that she gravitates toward her mother. I did. My mother lived 2 blocks away and I didn't go home for 3 weeks. Sometimes the only thing you want to hear or feel is the person who gave birth to you and knows you better than you know yourself. Sorry but men don't understand what happens to a woman who loses a baby, to them the baby isn't even real yet, but to a mother the baby is real from conception. Other mothers understand that.

I think it's fair to say, that many women also want to share their grief with the "other parent", who should also be feeling the loss.
Mutual comfort.
MOO and stuff

ETA: Perhaps Michelle wasn't getting any comfort from JY?

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974



Sometimes when a woman has an experience like that she gravitates toward her mother. I did. My mother lived 2 blocks away and I didn't go home for 3 weeks. Sometimes the only thing you want to hear or feel is the person who gave birth to you and knows you better than you know yourself. Sorry but men don't understand what happens to a woman who loses a baby, to them the baby isn't even real yet, but to a mother the baby is real from conception. Other mothers understand that.

I suppose there are some that might feel that way. When my daughter had a miscarriage in February, her husband was as devastated as she was. They wanted to be together and grieve. He felt the loss of his child very strongly. (They are expecting again. A little girl due in December.)

I can't imagine leaving my husband at a time like that. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I suppose there are some that might feel that way. When my daughter had a miscarriage in February, her husband was as devastated as she was. They wanted to be together and grieve. He felt the loss of his child very strongly. (They are expecting again. A little girl due in December.)

I can't imagine leaving my husband at a time like that. jmo

I can't either, Barbara2. As close as I am to my mother, as much as her comfort would mean, I could not leave my husband to grieve alone.

And snowshuze, you make a good point.

Actually, JD1974, you make a good point also. To some men, an unborn child is not real.

jmo

jmo

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Dida


I am afraid you have lost me. How would JY calling MF the night before enable MF to frame JY?

But IIRC, it is said that the message from JY regarding the fax pickup was left that morning.

jmo


Because if he called the night before, she knew she was expected to go pick up this fax at sometime. She could of went over there, killed Michelle then used the fact that Jason asked her to pick up the fax the next day as the reason she was there. IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by JD1974



Because if he called the night before, she knew she was expected to go pick up this fax at sometime. She could of went over there, killed Michelle then used the fact that Jason asked her to pick up the fax the next day as the reason she was there. IMO

Thank you for clarifying, but I do not believe that Meredith killed Michelle.

jmo

[JD1974]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


:santa: sorry, no disrespect but your post is hilarious


Of course it is, just like saying Jason tried to kill Michelle two times previously. It was meant to be debated as an alternate theory. I don't know who killed Michelle honestly, so I just toss out ideas once in awhile. IMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by JD1974



Sometimes when a woman has an experience like that she gravitates toward her mother. I did. My mother lived 2 blocks away and I didn't go home for 3 weeks. Sometimes the only thing you want to hear or feel is the person who gave birth to you and knows you better than you know yourself. Sorry but men don't understand what happens to a woman who loses a baby, to them the baby isn't even real yet, but to a mother the baby is real from conception. Other mothers understand that.

I think if a man was as excited about his wife's pregnancy as she was, and wanted that child as much as she did, he would be as devastated about the loss of that baby, he would grieve as much as her, and they would go through the grieving process together.

OTOH, if a man didn't want another child, or the responsibility attached to it, he might feel relieved.

IMO

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I suppose there are some that might feel that way. When my daughter had a miscarriage in February, her husband was as devastated as she was. They wanted to be together and grieve. He felt the loss of his child very strongly. (They are expecting again. A little girl due in December.)

I can't imagine leaving my husband at a time like that. jmo


Oh I am not saying my husband wasn't just as upset as I was, it was more of he felt that way because of what it had done to me though I think. My mom understood because she was a mother and knew what it felt like to give birth. It was our first child and I think if it hadn't have been he may have had his own feelings about it. Since it wasn't like I said I think he was just upset because of what it had done to me.

I can understand a young woman wanting to be comforted by her mother in at least my opinion one of the worst times of her life. I have had 6 children since then, when that checkup came around 22 weeks, I was terrified, my husband never really thought about it though. IMO

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I think if a man was as excited about his wife's pregnancy as she was, and wanted that child as much as she did, he would be as devastated about the loss of that baby, he would grieve as much as her, and they would go through the grieving process together.

OTOH, if a man didn't want another child, or the responsibility attached to it, he might feel relieved.

IMO


Well if my husband was relieved because we didn't have that child, he had a funny way of showing it, we had 6 after that.

I am more talking about someone you can talk to that understands where you are coming from, a husband, even an excited one just can never understand the depth of what a woman feels when that happens. Another woman can, especially her mother. IMO

[JD1974]

Originally posted by Dida


Thank you for clarifying, but I do not believe that Meredith killed Michelle.

jmo


I don't know who killed her. I am just throwing out an alternate theory for the fax. When I see a trial I will make up my mind, until then I just take in what all posters post. IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

<snip>

I hope Lindsey weighs in on this again - I believe she said that Michelle's vacation was a few weeks after the TA and wasn't taken to recuperate per se.

I seem to recall that as well. I believe she said that Michelle would already have been pregnant again at the time of the visit. IIRC, the follow-up discussion was around the fact that the 2 weeks in NY and the 1 week vacation JY took with the Youngs meant a 3-week separation. Which might be viewed as rather lengthy.

jmo

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by JD1974



Well if my husband was relieved because we didn't have that child, he had a funny way of showing it, we had 6 after that.

I am more talking about someone you can talk to that understands where you are coming from, a husband, even an excited one just can never understand the depth of what a woman feels when that happens. Another woman can, especially her mother. IMO

I wasn't referring to your husband, but men who don't want the responsibilities of fatherhood.

I agree with you that a woman, because her child is housed in her body for 9 months, feels a greater sense of attachment/bond to her child prenatally than a man.

IMO

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by JD1974



Oh I am not saying my husband wasn't just as upset as I was, it was more of he felt that way because of what it had done to me though I think. My mom understood because she was a mother and knew what it felt like to give birth. It was our first child and I think if it hadn't have been he may have had his own feelings about it. Since it wasn't like I said I think he was just upset because of what it had done to me.

I can understand a young woman wanting to be comforted by her mother in at least my opinion one of the worst times of her life. I have had 6 children since then, when that checkup came around 22 weeks, I was terrified, my husband never really thought about it though. IMO

I'm assuming that your husband didn't start having a romantic relationship with another woman a couple of months after the loss of the child. It's possible that the relationship you had with your husband was quite different than the Youngs. imo

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


I for one do not believe he tried to kill her in the car accident or a boat incident ;)

No? Do you believe those were just accidents?

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


I think the car accident was just that, an accident. There is no confirmation of a boating incident where MY supposedly nearly drowned.

I recall reading an article that LE had investigated the car accident, so I would think they have enough information to decide if there were anything suspicious about it. Other than here, I have not read anything about the boating incident.

jmo

[JD1974]

Originally posted by TMcgraw


I do. I think that is part of the overkill seen in this murder. She didn't die the other times he tried. She was wiggling around this time. He was going to make sure it happened this time. jmo


So you know better than the detectives that looked at the car accident, twice?? IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


The NCHP did a complete investigation after the accident and the Trooper said he found no evidence to suspect foul play.....who knows ? I tend to believe the only murder plan was concocted in October 2006.

And do you believe that there is particular significance to October 2006?

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


Fireworks :patriot:

1- Consummated the affair
2- Missed his anniversary
3- Got into a huge, open fight with MY at a wedding 2 weeks
before her death.
imo

Do you think his life started to fall apart, or that he started feeling constrained?

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


Constrained....yes.

Murder is an extreme method of dealing with constraint, imo. He could have just gotten a divorce.

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by TMcgraw


If the wording of the news is correct, then she also started seeing a therapist in the month of October as well. She also took off to visit her mom after that wedding fight. jmo

Is that the 2-week NY trip, or a different one?

[dkny]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


JY is a narcissistic psychopath imo, so who knows ? Maybe he tried several times until he got it down pat ?

I would love to know who had the idea and pushed for the $1mm life policies.


Then I am sure he convinced MY that it was her idea. JMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


<snip>

I would love to know who had the idea and pushed for the $1mm life policies.

There has been some discussion that the Youngs did some estate planning. It would not be unusual for an estate-planning attorney to recommend life insurance, particularly if the Youngs did not have accumulated liquid assets to sustain the survivor in the event of one their deaths.

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by TMcgraw



Different. It looks very much unplanned.

I don't believe I've heard that mentioned before. One could infer that Michelle was very upset about something.

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston



The attorney thought from day one he did it. This was MY's former college roommate and trusted friend.

In further thought about the life insurance, the purpose of life insurance in estate planning is to ensure that the surviving spouse has sufficient liquidity to maintain the joint lifestyle, to meet the mortgage payments, etc.

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by willow_1

If he felt relieve I think he would have used protection and not gotten her pregnant a few weeks later. I think he wanted a baby as much as she did. IMO

Birth control is often the wife's responsibility, Willow. In those cases, the husband would have no reason to use "protection". Perhaps Michelle was the one who wanted another child.

jmo

[snowshuze]

Originally posted by Dida


In further thought about the life insurance, the purpose of life insurance in estate planning is to ensure that the surviving spouse has sufficient liquidity to maintain the joint lifestyle, to meet the mortgage payments, etc.

jmo

Which begs the question, WHY isn't he making a claim?

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston



Yea, it also comes in handy when you in debt up to your eyeballs :eek:

Even with the debt load expected for most couples just starting out, the loss of the second income can be quite devastating, financially. jmo

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Dida


Birth control is often the wife's responsibility, Willow. In those cases, the husband would have no reason to use "protection". Perhaps Michelle was the one who wanted another child.

jmo

It's possible that they also did not believe she could get pregnant that soon after the TA. If the accident happened on May 29th and the TA happened some days after that and the report that she was 20 weeks pregnant at death are correct, she would have gotten pregnant around June 16th.

[Dida]

Originally posted by willow_1


Well I sure hope you don't tell your sons,grandsons that birth control is the womans responsibility.Birth control is as much a mans responsibility as a womans . IMO

You misunderstood me, Willow. In most marriages, the couple decides, as a couple, on a form of birth control. Perhaps in the Young's marriage, as in many, they jointly decided it would be Michelle's responsibility. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Captain Joe

The trusted friend attorney (Fiona, also from Long Island) will not be able to testify because she acted as counsel to both Michelle AND Jason in performing the estate planning. Her attempted testimony will be impeached. She also leaked the details of the estate planning, according to RPD, a no no for an attorney.

I don't believe anyone suggested that she would testify. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by Barbara2


It's possible that they also did not believe she could get pregnant that soon after the TA. If the accident happened on May 29th and the TA happened some days after that and the report that she was 20 weeks pregnant at death are correct, she would have gotten pregnant around June 16th.

That is a very good point, Barbara2. Perhaps the pregnancy was unplanned. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


Can you imagine paying a $2500 +/- mortgage for 10 months when you lose the bread winner, no life insurance available and unemployed for several months ?

No, I can't, and I certainly hope I never find myself in that position. That would be a lot of pressure, imo.

[Dida]

Originally posted by willow_1


Dida,thats the only place this case is going to be settled. It certainly isn't going to be resolved on this board.LE has to either charge JY or move on.Its been 10 months ,wonder what they are going to do? IMO

Willow, of course, hopefully, this case will be resolved in court. That IS the way the justice system works.

I don't know why LE hasn't charged anyone. Maybe they are waiting for lab results; maybe that are waiting for analysis of electronic information. Maybe they are looking for a particular witness. Maybe they are waiting for the killer to make a mistake.

It has indeed been a long time, 10 months today, in fact.

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


:confused:

:confused: Me too.

[Dida]

10 months today, Captain Joe.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
IIR, LE has stated that the fax come in just hours before Michelle was FOUND. Makes me wonder how Jason knew about the fax. Not death,but body FOUND. Did anyone else pick up on that?

I don't believe they said, "just hours". I think it was "in the hours prior to" That could be 2, 12, 20. I think they wanted to convey the information without being too specific. imo

[lilismom]

I read at least once a day here why JY is silent and has an attorney and tainted jury pools. Makes me wonder, if any of you were called to sit on this particular jury, where JY was charged, would you remove yourself based only on what you know today as fact? Could you be a fair juror in this case?

Afternoon peeps. 10 months today. Sad.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Silsbee]

Does anyone know when the SW for Jason's laptop was issued?

All of the warrants were posted on news sites when they were returned except for that one. Not even scout has that warrant on her calendar. Scout has a return date of 12/22/06. IIRC it was reported on WRAL on 12/23/06.

It was taken from his Explorer on the Nov 4, but I am curious as to when they actually issued the warrant to look at the contents.

Thanks to anyone who might know.

Sils

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by willow_1


Barbara ,I don't thing any one knows for sure what year the miscarriage was. It was first reported to be a whole year before she got pregrant again. That would be spring 2005 ,then someone said no it was 2006. I vote for 2005 ,as I don't know for sure and don't want to ask. IMO

A former poster said they knew MY and JY and was called when the accident happened. The poster said the report mistakenly printed 2005. The poster said it was actually 2006.

[Dida]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
You mean this terrible man that everyone describes. You are suggesting now it was Michelle's idea to get pregnant. The JDI,needs to make up their minds. Did he force himself on her or did she want to get pregnant?

You seem to be drawing some inferences here that I don't follow. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by lilismom
I read at least once a day here why JY is silent and has an attorney and tainted jury pools. Makes me wonder, if any of you were called to sit on this particular jury, where JY was charged, would you remove yourself based only on what you know today as fact? Could you be a fair juror in this case?

Afternoon peeps. 10 months today. Sad.

IMO,
Lilismom

Afternoon, Lilismom. I would like to think I could be fair. Some others may disagree. :)

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
Devastating for Jason and Michelle's daughter. You think that would be Michelle's wishes for her daughter? You have to remember,whatever Jason loses so does Michelle's daughter that so many pretend to love and have so much concern for.

I imagine Michelle had unlimited wishes for her daughter. How tragic she did not live to see them realized. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0


:read:

A search warrant of the house stated the fax had been printed from the computer hours before Michelle was found.

http://www.raleighchronicle.com/2007080901.html

You are right, AE, about the wording in the article. The actual search warrant is slightly different though (page 7):

http://www.raleighchannel.com/youngsearchwarrant.pdf

"The document had been printed from that computer the hours before the victim's death was discovered."

It reads strangely, imo. Perhaps it's just a typo. Maybe it was intended to read "in the hours".

jmo

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0




A search warrant of the house stated the fax had been printed from the computer hours before Michelle was found.

http://www.raleighchronicle.com/2007080901.html

Yes, that's what I said.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
IIR, LE has stated that the fax come in just hours before Michelle was FOUND. Makes me wonder how Jason knew about the fax. Not death,but body FOUND. Did anyone else pick up on that?

Even if MF deleted THE voice mail, the calls will still show on the phone records. She told the police right away her version of events. Has JY contacted police to say, yea, I called her, but it was for ______ and what fax?? He has to know the fax/printout is the biggest finger pointing in his direction.

I know, I know, better to keep quiet and wait. Waited 10 months so far, 10 long months without knowing who killed his wife. Sad.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Dida]

Originally posted by TMcgraw
I know the friends were en route when they were called and told the news. Were they on schedule or were they supposed to be there earlier? I don't know if that's been discussed.

Another question I have, was Cassidy supposed to be home that night, or was it possible she might have been supposed to be with someone that night?

There has been a lot of discussion about the friends' expected time of arrival, but I've never been clear on the situation.

I've not seen that question about Cassidy before, so I don't know.

jmo

[Dida]

Wow, isn't this pleasant? Good afternoon.

[Dida]

Originally posted by Fireflies_3




Hi Dida, nothing seems to be pleasant on this board i was put down because i am from Texas and new to the board but they don't bother me they think he's innocent i don't. Everyone has the right to believe what they want if he's as innocent as they think let him come forward and show us how much he loved his wife and daughter. The man is guilty as sin if not he would be looking for who ever killed his beautiful wife and unborn son. jmo

Well, I have not been around terribly long myself, and I don't know all of the rules, but I think names like "freak face" are not allowed.

As for the rest of it, several of the posters here have issues with JY's silence.

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


As far as looks go, I do not have an opinion one way or another. However, many of my chick friends thought MY could have attracted a whole lot better. :biggrin:

Now, now, John. They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Maybe JY is extremely charming.

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by JohnLangston

They didn't call him "Booty Boy" for nut'n :biggrin:

Is that true? That is a pretty offensive nickname, imo. It certainly does not sound like someone that I.....never mind.

jmo

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Dida


Is that true? That is a pretty offensive nickname, imo. It certainly does not sound like someone that I.....never mind.

jmo

I agree, offensive. If I had learned through our mutual friends that my husband was known as "booty boy", I'd be compelled to confront him and request that he define the nickname.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I agree, offensive. If I had learned through our mutual friends that my husband was known as "booty boy", I'd be compelled to confront him and request that he define the nickname.


And pray you don't get the John Travolta response from Grease "We didn't go together, we just went together that's all".

Sorry, back on topic.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by JohnLangston


purple, please understand this is an intern reporter from the Raleigh Chronicle . She has been given 'needs improvement' marks by the retired teacher a couple of times.

The official SW says nothing about a fax. It was a print out from the Coach web site. I am sure MF was so distraught, she probably mistakenly called it a 'fax' and the ball starting rolling....

Who could have sent the printout to JY's computer, from the Coach website, hours before Michelle was found? It doesn't seem logical that it would have been JY, for what reason would he offer to have done so only to ask Meredith to fetch it?

Do you think MM could have sent it?

TIA for your reply!

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Who could have sent the printout to JY's computer, from the Coach website, hours before Michelle was found? It doesn't seem logical that it would have been JY, for what reason would he offer to have done so only to ask Meredith to fetch it?

Do you think MM could have sent it?

TIA for your reply!

I thought that the SW indicated that it had been printed from that computer. That says to me that a person was sitting at the computer and sent the document to the printer.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I thought that the SW indicated that it had been printed from that computer. That says to me that a person was sitting at the computer and sent the document to the printer.

After having read this, I'd wondered if perhaps MM might have sent it.


http://www.printeranywhere.com/share-printer.sdf

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Who could have sent the printout to JY's computer, from the Coach website, hours before Michelle was found? It doesn't seem logical that it would have been JY, for what reason would he offer to have done so only to ask Meredith to fetch it?

Do you think MM could have sent it?

TIA for your reply!

I think it's possible that MM sent the Coach website to the Young's computer. If it was a "fax" then the printer would have automatically printed it out? If it was sent via email, then someone sitting at the computer would have to request the document to be sent to the printer.

I'm also curious about the scrapbook that the sorority sisters were putting together. Was the scrapbook and Coach purse a planned surprise for Michelle to honor her in some way, prior to her being murdered?

I'm wondering if the Coach purse and scrapbook were to be presented to Michelle at the upcoming spa event?

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Who could have sent the printout to JY's computer, from the Coach website, hours before Michelle was found? It doesn't seem logical that it would have been JY, for what reason would he offer to have done so only to ask Meredith to fetch it?

Do you think MM could have sent it?

TIA for your reply!

He didn't want to ruin the surprise. He must have ruined quite a few surprises that this one was that important to send MF over there. What is the worst that would have happened if Michelle found the picture? That's what makes it such a big deal, at least for me.

If there is no date on the document itself, who knows when it was printed. Could have been printed at any time and just left on that machine as he was walking out the door. The question then is, how would he know Michelle wouldn't use the computer that night? Maybe it was 'crashed'?

If MM sent it why did she send it? Oh, she must have sent it as just a friend giving an opinion on a purse? Did she call him after he already left and say "did you get the picture I sent"? If so, why not call the house from the road and hope GA friend answered and have her get it? Why didn't MM just send an email with a picture? I don't think MM sent the picture of the purse to the house.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I think it's possible that MM sent the Coach website to the Young's computer. If it was a "fax" then the printer would have automatically printed it out? If it was sent via email, then someone sitting at the computer would have to request the document to be sent to the printer.

I'm also curious about the scrapbook that the sorority sisters were putting together. Was the scrapbook and Coach purse a planned surprise for Michelle to honor her in some way, prior to her being murdered?

I'm wondering if the Coach purse and scrapbook were to be presented to Michelle at the upcoming spa event?

If MM sent it, JY could have told Meredith that he asked her to send it, and it was to be a surprise for Michelle. If JY sent it, then it doesn't make much sense to send Meredith to pick it up. If JY printed it from home, he will have placed himself in Raleigh when he should have been in VA.

Yes, the Coach purse presented with the scrapbook, also makes sense.

IMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
HP,this is very interesting.I did not know this software existed. This makes the document even more of a mystery. Thanks for posting it and it is also a free download.

You're welcome, H_C.

It never made much sense to me that JY would have printed it, only to ask Meredith to retrieve it, so I wondered if someone could send it to his printer. I thought about MM, due to their relationship and wondered if it was what originally set LE on the path to questioning their relationship.

IMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by lilismom


He didn't want to ruin the surprise. He must have ruined quite a few surprises that this one was that important to send MF over there. What is the worst that would have happened if Michelle found the picture? That's what makes it such a big deal, at least for me.

If there is no date on the document itself, who knows when it was printed. Could have been printed at any time and just left on that machine as he was walking out the door. The question then is, how would he know Michelle wouldn't use the computer that night? Maybe it was 'crashed'?

If MM sent it why did she send it? Oh, she must have sent it as just a friend giving an opinion on a purse? Did she call him after he already left and say "did you get the picture I sent"? If so, why not call the house from the road and hope GA friend answered and have her get it? Why didn't MM just send an email with a picture? I don't think MM sent the picture of the purse to the house.

IMO,
Lilismom

Quite honestly, I had always thought the Coach purse was a gift for MM, which JY told her to pick for herself and send him the details/bill, inasmuch as they lived so far from one another. However, JY could always say that it was a surprise for Michelle, and knowing MM and Michelle were good friends that he'd asked MM to help him select one Michelle would like.

I don't know if MM sent it or not, but how could JY reasonably validate sending it himself, only to ask Meredith to retrieve it?

IMO

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Quite honestly, I had always thought the Coach purse was a gift for MM, which JY told her to pick for herself and send him the details/bill, inasmuch as they lived so far from one another. However, JY could always say that it was a surprise for Michelle, and knowing MM and Michelle were good friends that he'd asked MM to help him select one Michelle would like.

I don't know if MM sent it or not, but how could he reasonable validate sending it himself, only to ask Meredith to retrieve it?

IMO

I dunno. The story probably was that he printed it before he left and forgot to get it off the printer. All part of the plan. Too stupid to be believed?

I hope if MF did in fact erase that voice mail that it was retrieved by the cell carrier.

IMO,
Lilismom

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Fireflies_3




I was thinking the scrap book was being made for cassidy but i may be wrong what kind of scrap book was it anyone know? jmo

IIRC, either in the days preceding or immediately after Michelle's murder, another sorority sister had loaned MM their hard drive to download some photos of Michelle?

I'm wondering if MM borrowed it, in an attempt to cover up what was on her hard drive?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by lilismom


I dunno. The story probably was that he printed it before he left and forgot to get it off the printer. All part of the plan. Too stupid to be believed?

I hope if MF did in fact erase that voice mail that it was retrieved by the cell carrier.

IMO,
Lilismom

According to reports, it was printed in the hours before Michelle was found. JY should have been in VA at that time, and will have placed himself at the crime scene at Michelle's TOD, if he was the one who printed it and forgot to get it off the printer.

IMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


If MM sent it, JY could have told Meredith that he asked her to send it, and it was to be a surprise for Michelle. If JY sent it, then it doesn't make much sense to send Meredith to pick it up. If JY printed it from home, he will have placed himself in Raleigh when he should have been in VA.

Yes, the Coach purse presented with the scrapbook, also makes sense.

IMO


IIRC, there's an article or two that says the document was printed hours before the body was discovered?

In my mind, that makes it sound like it could have been printed at about the time JY called MF to fetch the document.

Do you think JY called MM to send the document, prior to his voicemail to MF requesting her to retrieve it?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints



IIRC, there's an article or two that says the document was printed hours before the body was discovered?

In my mind, that makes it sound like it could have been printed at about the time JY called MF to fetch the document.

Do you think JY called MM to send the document, prior to his voicemail to MF requesting her to retrieve it?

I think MM and JY might have been in touch that day, and whether the Coach purse was to be a gift for MM or Michelle, I think MM might have told JY she'd sent the info/pic to his printer.

It makes no sense for JY to have sent it and still be able to offer a reasonable explanation of why he would do that and then ask Meredith to get it.

The document, having been printed hours before Michelle's body was discovered, is the most perplexing part if JY printed it, as that would have placed him in the house at Michelle's TOD.

IMO

[BiggerRedDog]

Originally posted by weep_willow1
Very good thought but can you wipe your hard drive off so there's nothing left on it? i don't know that much about computers thanks........jmo
Most regular people probably can't wipe their hard drive so there's no trace of anything.

I was thinking the "hard drive" might mean one of those removable hard drives. I have a 4 gig one I wear on a lanyard around my neck to transport files to and from work and home. Just a thought.

ETA: Perhaps more correctly called a "memory stick".

[BiggerRedDog]

Originally posted by purple
You can scrub a drive - it overwrites files with big blank .dat files ... and eventually there's no memory left (did that to a machine this summer).
If anything suspicious was going on with the drives, maybe they were swapping the drive out with another one.
The little guys are called flash drives, aren't they? That's what I call them. Maybe that's what they were doing ... instead of CD or DVD, they used a flash drive to transfer pictures and nothing strange was going on.
(memory stick works too) USB Flash Drive, yes. Was about to add that but time ran out. You can tell I'm not a geek!

[BiggerRedDog]

Originally posted by purple


You can scrub a drive - it overwrites files with big blank .dat files ... and eventually there's no memory left (did that to a machine this summer).

If anything suspicious was going on with the drives, maybe they were swapping the drive out with another one.

The little guys are called flash drives, aren't they? That's what I call them. Maybe that's what they were doing ... instead of CD or DVD, they used a flash drive to transfer pictures and nothing strange was going on.

(memory stick works too) I never had the feeling that the hard drive involved anything sinister. Just that the friends were making some sort of memory book for CY, digital or otherwise. Somebody had the pics on a drive and LE took it as part of the investigation.

[BiggerRedDog]

Originally posted by purple
That makes sense. I think this case is pretty straight forward in terms of figuring out who did it. The difficult part seems to be in finding enough evidence that corroborates what happened - which is made more difficult because the perp probably lived in the house and evidence pointing to him can be interpreted in at least two ways. Given it's 10 months today and the little that LE has released seems to point in only one direction, it looks like they unable to pinpoint the perpetrator with enough certainty to bring a case. I hope there is a breakthrough, soon, one way or another.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Fireflies


and the reason no arrest is ....please share.

there's been no arrest ... so that it keeps you returning here to post the same mantra?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by purple


You can scrub a drive - it overwrites files with big blank .dat files ... and eventually there's no memory left (did that to a machine this summer).

If anything suspicious was going on with the drives, maybe they were swapping the drive out with another one.

The little guys are called flash drives, aren't they? That's what I call them. Maybe that's what they were doing ... instead of CD or DVD, they used a flash drive to transfer pictures and nothing strange was going on.

(memory stick works too)

You're right, purple. It may have been a "flash drive" that was loaned to MM from another sorority sister. Does the s/w specifically indicate?

Does anyone remember who the other sorority sister was that had a collection of MY photos and loaned them to MM so that she could create the scrapbook? Was that sorority sister also a NCSU cheerleader alumni?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Fireflies


and the reason no arrest is ....please share.

This is what leads me to think that perhaps MM sent the printout.

[WonderingInSC]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


This is what leads me to think that perhaps MM sent the printout.
I don't get that idea. Why would JY call MF to get the "fax" if MM sent it - I can bet that the LE could tell where it came from. I think it came from its own computer. Sometime late at night... hmmm - between 2 - 4am?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by WonderingInSC

I don't get that idea. Why would JY call MF to get the "fax" if MM sent it - I can bet that the LE could tell where it came from. I think it came from its own computer. Sometime late at night... hmmm - between 2 - 4am?

In several ealier posts, I explained how it might have been done, and why I think it might have been MM who sent it through JY's printer. I think if it was JY who printed it from the house, during the hours he should have been in VA, he would have been arrested long ago.

IMO