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Dida

08-24-2007, 08:09 PM

Whew! I tried to post, and for a minute there, thought we had been shut down!

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Originally posted by MassComm

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I wonder if he gave up his season tickets yet?
I have heard he rarely if ever even talks to his old NC State friends anymore.
It's like he's in seclusion up in Brevard.

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I think it's possible that something about "season tickets" might have been the motive for murder.

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TPP, what did you mean by this? Curious minds want to know.

Dida

08-24-2007, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by heathen
Good evening, everyone. I hope we can discuss the case like civilized human beings. I couldn't bring myself to comment this past week since the board deteriorated to personal insults, sniping, outrageous allegations and the like. I hope we can remain focused on JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE and her UNBORN SON. She deserves better than she's gotten recently.

And thank you, heathen, for starting the weekend thread and reminding us ALL what this is really about.

Dida

08-24-2007, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

proof of what? There is no proof that is the same couple.

Well, it constitutes proof for some of us, but since the whole line of conversation was about a hypothetical wiretap for a hypothetical conversation, I don't see that it matters much. jmo

edited for clarity

Dida

08-24-2007, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
I agree...why hasn't LE solved this case and given justice to Michelle? :shrug:

Apparently, LE is missing some information that would enable them to obtain an indictment. Any ideas about what that information could possibly be?

Dida

08-24-2007, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Proof of who the perp is.

Well, that is pretty basic. :)

Any ideas of who the perp is? Or what the motive is?

heathen

08-24-2007, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Well, that is pretty basic. :)

Any ideas of who the perp is? Or what the motive is?

I'm not LE, and I don't know what proof they have or don't have, but I do believe I better leave this one to the experts. :o

Barbara2

08-24-2007, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

proof of what? There is no proof that is the same couple.

So don't believe it. I doubt that your belief of the information changes anything.

tiny paw-prints

08-24-2007, 08:33 PM

copy/pasted from daily thread Aug 22nd:

Originally posted by Lindsey

I stand by what I have already said months ago. I have good reason to believe Michelle was on the computer after midnight. Do I know it for an absolute fact? No.

Hi Lindsey,

I've been thinking about this some more.

Maybe her computer was in "idle mode" without any actual activity for a period of time?

Reportedly, the TOD is between midnight and 6am.

heathen

08-24-2007, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints
copy/pasted from daily thread Aug 22nd:

Hi Lindsey,

I've been thinking about this some more.

Maybe her computer was in "idle mode" without any actual activity for a period of time?

Reportedly, the TOD is between midnight and 6am.

But is that "good reason to believe" Michelle was on her computer? There has to be a source for this belief, unless the one you quoted was actually with Michelle and she knows for a fact Michelle was on her computer and is playing coy with words. How else would she come to believe such a thing? Now that is one that baffles me!

Dida

08-24-2007, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

No and No.

I think there is trace evidence and PE at the crime scene that cannot conclusively be linked to Jason.

And I don't think they can bust his alibi.

The most difficult murders are when a link cannot be established between the victim and the perp and I think that is where LE sits with case.

Honestly, my question was not about Jason. I was asking what you thought in general, based upon the evidence that has been made public.

Dida

08-24-2007, 08:49 PM

While we're regrouping, TPP, what did you mean about the season tickets?

Hey Paula

08-24-2007, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Apparently, LE is missing some information that would enable them to obtain an indictment. Any ideas about what that information could possibly be?

LE might not be missing anything to obtain an indictment. There are a few possibilities as to why they haven't yet made an arrest, a couple of which might be:

1) They have already indicted someone, and the indictment has been sealed, perhaps because they believe the perp might have had an accomplice, and if they don't seal the indictment the perp's attorney would have access to the evidence presented to, and transcript of, the GJ hearing.

2) They are still gathering evidence, and not yet ready to bring this case to trial. By making a premature arrest, the perp's attorney could request a speedy trial before the DA is fully prepared.

I doubt LE doesn't have enough evidence to secure an indictment, for as the saying goes "they can indict a ham sandwich". I believe the delay in making an arrest is intentional, and is serving a worthwhile purpose in their ultimate goal of ensuring that justice is properly served for Michelle.

IMO

tiny paw-prints

08-24-2007, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

Aaack! I'm sorry. Yes. It was the other tiny. (That's what I get for replying without copying the other post over.)

Thanks for the clarification, Barb!

:seeya:

Dida

08-24-2007, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

LE might not be missing anything to obtain an indictment. There are a few possibilities as to why they haven't yet made an arrest, a couple of which might be:

1) They have already indicted someone, and the indictment has been sealed, perhaps because they believe the perp might have had an accomplice, and if they don't seal the indictment the perp's attorney would have access to the evidence presented to, and transcript of, the GJ hearing.

2) They are still gathering evidence, and not yet ready to bring this case to trial. By making a premature arrest, the perp's attorney could request a speedy trial before the DA is fully prepared.

I doubt LE doesn't have enough evidence to secure an indictment, for as the saying goes "they can indict a ham sandwich". I believe the delay in making an arrest is intentional, and is serving a worthwhile purpose in their ultimate goal of ensuring that justice is properly served for Michelle.

IMO

Those are very reasonable possibilities, and I hope you are right. Because if Michelle Young's murder is not redressed, I will lose serious faith in the justice system.

jmo

Hey Paula

08-24-2007, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Those are very reasonable possibilities, and I hope you are right. Because if Michelle Young's murder is not redressed, I will lose serious faith in the justice system.

jmo

Sheriff Donnie Harrison has repeatedly said this case will be solved, and that they recovered a lot of evidence from the crime scene. I detect a "cat that swallowed the canary" look in his eye, and I believe LE has "their man".

IMO

heathen

08-24-2007, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

"We will solve this case. There's stuff we just don't want to talk too much about right now."

This 'stuff ' is the evidence they have on JY. They will nail him in due time.

imo

I have no doubt this "stuff" is going to be the downfall of one major Wolfpack fan. I would give anything to be wrong for Cassidy's sake, but the writing seems to be on the wall, in neon lights.

tiny paw-prints

08-24-2007, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by heathen

But is that "good reason to believe" Michelle was on her computer? There has to be a source for this belief, unless the one you quoted was actually with Michelle and she knows for a fact Michelle was on her computer and is playing coy with words. How else would she come to believe such a thing? Now that is one that baffles me!

Hi heathen!

Lindsey clearly stated that she does Not know as fact, if Michelle was on her computer after midnight. She opined that she has "good reason to believe" ? <<--- that's an opinion!

It's possible that Michelle might have been in the midst of exchanging emails or instant messaging with someone at the strike of midnight, or shortly after midnight ?

I think the computer would be able to determine actual activity and/or idle mode?

Barbara2

08-24-2007, 09:18 PM

heathen

08-24-2007, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Hi heathen!

Lindsey clearly stated that she does Not know as fact, if Michelle was on her computer after midnight. She opined that she has "good reason to believe" ? <<--- that's an opinion!

It's possible that Michelle might have been in the midst of exchanging emails or instant messaging with someone at the strike of midnight, or shortly after midnight ?

I think the computer would be able to determine actual activity and/or idle mode?

Hiya, tiny paw-prints! It still confuses me. I understand it's her belief, but where does this belief come from? Beliefs have a foundation, what is the posters foundation for her belief that Michelle was on her computer? Was she in communication with Michelle or someone who knows Michelle? I just don't get how she can believe Michelle was on the computer at midnight with nothing on which to base that belief.

Example - I believe Jason murdered Michelle, based on statistics that murdered pregnant women are, more often than not, murdered (betrayed) by their husband or significant other. Given that, on what does the poster place her belief that Michelle was on the computer at midnight? (sorry, I'm sure you don't have the answer, but if the poster responds, I'd sure appreciate you quoting so I can see the logic behind all this). Apologies for my lengthy post to one & all.

tiny paw-prints

08-24-2007, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by Dida
While we're regrouping, TPP, what did you mean about the season tickets?

Hi Dida!

I've responded (refer upstairs)!

You requested me to elaborate, and I responded with a question, and then heathen answered that question.

IIRC, I believe my original post (refer to 8/24 daily thread) about "season tickets" stated that I think it's possible that something about football and/or season tickets might have been a (or the) motive for murder.

You want me to elaborate on why I think that?

I can, but it would probably take up too much bandwidth and LE has stated that this is a complex case.

Hey Paula

08-24-2007, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
If there was some conspiracy at her work to silence her, like if she was a whistle blower, then I could see indictments being sealed to protect that type of investigation.

It might even be related to what Michelle told the therapist. Perhaps LE/DA is working on that aspect, which is needed to prosecute the case. Based upon their statement, they seem to feel there is a nexus, due to the proximity of Michelle's murder and her revelation to the therapist.

IMO

Kat4Eagles

08-24-2007, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

"We will solve this case. There's stuff we just don't want to talk too much about right now."

This 'stuff ' is the evidence they have on JY. They will nail him in due time.

imo

Yep, all that "stuff" and the only sister did not see any of it.

Here comes the Panthers and Pats....you never know who could be at the game tonite in Carolina.

I think I just saw someone in gym shorts...

:)
JMO
Kat

Hey Paula

08-24-2007, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

"We will solve this case. There's stuff we just don't want to talk too much about right now."

This 'stuff ' is the evidence they have on JY. They will nail him in due time.

imo

Exactly! The Sheriff spoke with confidence, and I believe there is no mystery as to who killed Michelle. They will make an arrest when they deem fit.

IMO

Kat4Eagles

08-24-2007, 09:35 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tiny paw-prints
[B]

Hi Dida!

IIRC, I believe my original post (refer to 8/24 daily thread) about "season tickets" stated that I think it's possible that something about football and/or season tickets might have been a (or the) motive for murder.

Jason killed Michelle so he could be the lone owner of their Wolfpack season tix.?

They are that good, huh?

Did you run this one by Donnie?

I will save my swoosh for future use.

JMO
Kat

Barbara2

08-24-2007, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

You need to read and pay attention. The posts were about FLORIDA laws.

:read:

D'OH!

MM doesn't live in Florida. She lives in SC. (Didn't we already have this conversation?)

heathen

08-24-2007, 09:42 PM

There is a sports forum and a weekend thread to discuss football or any other sport. Michelle Young's MURDER is not a sport, so to whomever this applies, please take your banter elsewhere. We'd like to stay on topic this weekend.

Kat4Eagles

08-24-2007, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Actually they will make an arrest when they evidence to support a charge.

Nahhhhhh, they won't make an arrest until they run it by Andy, you know this case is his baby..

JMO
Kat

springflowers35

08-24-2007, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

That is not an established fact.

ask mimi. i'm sure she knows.

Barbara2

08-24-2007, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

That is not an established fact.

I believe it is among those who know her. I'm accepting it as fact because I've been told by one who knows. I realize that the media did not post an article stating she moved so I guess that makes it "not a fact". I personally don't accept everything printed by the media and take the word of someone who is in the know over that of a reporter. I am confident that she is living in SC.

tiny paw-prints

08-24-2007, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

Sheriff Donnie Harrison has repeatedly said this case will be solved, and that they recovered a lot of evidence from the crime scene. I detect a "cat that swallowed the canary" look in his eye, and I believe LE has "their man".

IMO

Hi Paula!

Good to "read" and see you!

I agree!

Have a great weekend!

Kat4Eagles

08-24-2007, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by heathen
There is a sports forum and a weekend thread to discuss football or any other sport. Michelle Young's MURDER is not a sport, so to whomever this applies, please take your banter elsewhere. We'd like to stay on topic this weekend.

Doesn't work that way...:)

One of our posters thinks Jason killed Michelle for season tix to the Wolfpack football games,and I think we should give them the courtesy to hear why, don't you?

We would not want to censor what can or can not be discussed , right.?

quote:Originally posted by Dida

While we're regrouping, TPP, what did you mean about the season tickets?

Hi Dida!

<snipped>

You requested me to elaborate, and I responded with a question, and then heathen answered that question.

IIRC, I believe my original post (refer to 8/24 daily thread) about "season tickets" stated that I think it's possible that something about football and/or season tickets might have been a (or the) motive for murder.

You want me to elaborate on why I think that?

I can, but it would probably take up too much bandwidth and LE has stated that this is a complex case.

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See, how that works?

JMO
Kat

Samiya

08-24-2007, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

Unless she was on a program that had audio and/or video of her, they still have no way of knowing if she was at the keyboard. imo

There are many 'records' held within a computer which can tell Forensics if they were accessed within the time frame of Michelle being alone and on the computer.

One example (and you can do this yourself as it's basic computer knowledge) is to find a word document in your computer. Right click and choose 'properties' and see what it says.

There are three computer generated properties for the file.

Created (& a date & the time)
Modified (& a date & the time)
Accessed (& a date only)

Created is the date that the file was originally created and saved to the computer.
Modified is the last date that the file had alterations.

Accessed is a whole different kettle of fish. The Accessed driven code records the last time the file was 'accessed' to each file within the computer.

Now in terms for Accessed, it does not necessarily mean that the file was opened in a program. A right click and a check of the properties will change the Accessed Date recorded.

More indepth examinations would take far longer to explain but there are also logs for accessing the printer and especially the internet (and there is also information that can be provided by internet service providers and also Microsoft as well as other program providers...Microsoft servers record when your computer updates Windows too as do Anti Virus update servers and other update servers for different programs. That is how the servers know whether or not you have the latest update for your programs).

Sami

Barbara2

08-24-2007, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Nope. No proof was offered. Just some intelius search results that could be ANYBODY.

So the FL residence of the Moneys remains an undisputed FACT and the FL statutes I quoted before apply to your record-like-Amber-Frey post.

You can keep repeating it but it doesn't make the information any more correct than the last time you said it. The Money's in question no longer live in Florida. I'm sure of it.

Kat4Eagles

08-24-2007, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Wonder if we will ever find out what was discussed in those therapy sessions.

I think it is becoming clearer by the minute, something about football tix, a conspiracy and a mascot.

:)

JMO
Kat

Barbara2

08-24-2007, 10:00 PM

Originally posted by Samiya

There are many 'records' held within a computer which can tell Forensics if they were accessed within the time frame of Michelle being alone and on the computer.

One example (and you can do this yourself as it's basic computer knowledge) is to find a word document in your computer. Right click and choose 'properties' and see what it says.

There are three computer generated properties for the file.

Created (& a date & the time)
Modified (& a date & the time)
Accessed (& a date only)

Created is the date that the file was originally created and saved to the computer.
Modified is the last date that the file had alterations.

Accessed is a whole different kettle of fish. The Accessed driven code records the last time the file was 'accessed' to each file within the computer.

Now in terms for Accessed, it does not necessarily mean that the file was opened in a program. A right click and a check of the properties will change the Accessed Date recorded.

More indepth examinations would take far longer to explain but there are also logs for accessing the printer and especially the internet (and there is also information that can be provided by internet service providers and also Microsoft as well as other program providers...Microsoft servers record when your computer updates Windows too as do Anti Virus update servers and other update servers for different programs. That is how the servers know whether or not you have the latest update for your programs).

Sami

The point that I was making is that there is no way of knowing if it was Michelle or Jason or someone else on the computer at that time. They can only tell that SOMEone was on the computer.

springflowers35

08-24-2007, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

And the calls could have been made in January :eek:

it could have involved other women :eek: who knows WHICH state.

Barbara2

08-24-2007, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

You can be as confident as you like. Doesn't make it a fact - which is how it is being passed off on this board with nothing credible to support it.

I guess this is where we seriously disagree. I don't consider something printed in a newspaper or magazine to be proof of something. I think we have lots of examaples of the press getting details wrong.

I consider an actual person who knows FOR A FACT a piece of information to be very credible. I can't give you a link to that person. You can continue to disbelieve as is your right. That doesn't MAKE you right, however.

Some day maybe you'll know the truth.

tiny paw-prints

08-24-2007, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

(snipped)

Jason killed Michelle so he could be the lone owner of their Wolfpack season tix.?

IIRC, I originally posted that last year's football season and/or the season tickets JY and MY held (if any), might have been a possible motive for the murder, in some way.

For instance, Wolfpack season tickets do sell well on eBay!

Why did Jason tell Rhett that he left the Birchleaf house early to get a head start, the day/evening prior to his meeting in VA for the scheduled next morning at 10am? For what other purpose might Jason had in mind to get a head start?

Why did Jason purchase gasoline across town on the "other side" of the aka railroad tracks? Was gas less expensive there, or did he have a scheduled meeting with someone for some reason?

heathen

08-24-2007, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

And the calls could have been made in January :eek:

IIRC & I usually do, Amber Frey taped dozens of calls in January with her murdering paramour. Thankfully, she became well aware of his deceptions and assisted LE in her endeavors.

So, January seems to be a good month for MM to have possibly assisted LE by taping calls between she & JY? OR, by Jan., she and SM and son had already moved to SC and the taping of calls could have occurred? Different wiretap laws apply? There I go being befuddled again.

Samiya

08-24-2007, 10:20 PM

Barbara2

08-24-2007, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

Because there is no link, the information is rumor, not fact.

You believe it, some of us don't.

Your belief or disbelief doesn't make something fact or fiction. Just because you don't know what I do for a living doesn't mean I don't work. What I do is a fact. You just don't know the fact. What I do for a living is not a rumor. It's real. You just have lack of knowledge.

Dida

08-24-2007, 10:24 PM

Okay. There have been a lot of pages devoted to where MM does/does not live. This means what????

Someone, please, enlighten me. TIA

Barbara2

08-24-2007, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by Dida
Okay. There have been a lot of pages devoted to where MM does/does not live. This means what????

Someone, please, enlighten me. TIA

Because in SC, a person can record private conversations without notifying the other person that they are being recorded. In Florida, that is not allowed. Some don't want to accept the POSSIBILITY that MM might have recorded phone calls between herself and JY. (Or I guess SM could have recorded calls as well.)

Some do not want to accept that S and MM moved to SC.

lilismom

08-24-2007, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by Dida
Okay. There have been a lot of pages devoted to where MM does/does not live. This means what????

Someone, please, enlighten me. TIA

Evening all.

I would be surpised if MM would agree to continue to talk to him in order to tape the calls, if the laws of FL or SC allowed, of course.

She was forced to admit to an affair/relationship with her friend's husband. Her friend is now dead. The husband is being looked at with the hairy eyeball. She presumably has a rocky marriage (at that point anyway). She'd been shamed before her family and friends. Could she have said no? Would she be under any legal obligation to tape the calls?

Amber Frey was a woman scorned. This is a very different situation.

IMO,
Lilismom

Dida

08-24-2007, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

She lives in MB, SC since 1/ 2007.

It means there is no law forbidding recording a 2 way conversation between MM and JY.

I understand that. But since, imo, the possibility of a recorded converstation between MM and JY is completely hypothetical, why is anyone arguing about it?

Hey Paula

08-24-2007, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

I believe it is among those who know her. I'm accepting it as fact because I've been told by one who knows. I realize that the media did not post an article stating she moved so I guess that makes it "not a fact". I personally don't accept everything printed by the media and take the word of someone who is in the know over that of a reporter. I am confident that she is living in SC.

I wonder if the move to SC was planned prior to MY's murder, or if it was predicated on it?

Barbara2

08-24-2007, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

I think the above posting makes absolutely no sense. FACT.

Do try to stay on topic. Thanks.

That was most on topic.

Do try to develop an aptitude for logic. Thanks.

springflowers35

08-24-2007, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by Dida
Okay. There have been a lot of pages devoted to where MM does/does not live. This means what????

Someone, please, enlighten me. TIA

it means the trolls wanted fed, and we fed them :cuss: sorry, board.

lilismom

08-24-2007, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

Was AF under any legal obligation ?....just ask'n

No and in that situation, did she need to be? She didn't know he was married. She got played. I'm sure some choose to believe she knew though.

Was it her idea to tape the calls or was that the movie version of events????

My point was could they force MM to help?

IMO,
Lilismom

tiny paw-prints

08-24-2007, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

(snipped)

One of our posters thinks Jason killed Michelle for season tix to the Wolfpack football games,and I think we should give them the courtesy to hear why, don't you?

Kat,

It's another or alternative theory that I think is a possibility for a motive and/or the motive for murder. JY and MY were both staunch supporters and (diehard?) fans of their alma mater.

For those reasons alone, is why I think the 4x6" ad was reserved for the $10,000 reward poster in the August issue of the sport's magazine. And, I'm still waiting on confirmation if the same ad is depicted in the September issue of that same magazine.

I'm not thinking that the ad was run for any kind of pun or "game" playing on the field of this murder investigation. I believe there was a specific purpose in mind for that ad, or those ads.

I'm perceiving those ads to be a possible "road map" of the overall investigation itself, a complex one.

Dida

08-24-2007, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by springflowers35

it means the trolls wanted fed, and we fed them :cuss: sorry, board.

Oh, okay, that explains it! Just needed to know. :lol:

G'night all.

lilismom

08-24-2007, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

Can they 'force' her ? NO

Thanks.

In her situation then, would you (the collective you) agree to continue to talk to him?

I bet she would have had to do all the calling/emailing. Makes me wonder how even this affair/relationship was? I wonder how high her stack of emails is v. his? Who was chasing whom?

Feel free to scroll by if you don't believe there was an affair/relationship.

IMO,
Lilismom

lilismom

08-24-2007, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
when and where was she "forced" to admitting anything :confused:

Did anyone know they were having an affair before Michelle's murder? Maybe. Did MY? Did SM? Maybe. Did everyone know afterwards? I'd say so.

IMO,
Lilismom

tiny paw-prints

08-24-2007, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

She lives in MB, SC since 1/ 2007.

It means there is no law forbidding recording a 2 way conversation between MM and JY.

On the same token, is there a law forbidding an anonymous poster on a public message board (in February 2007) who had spread rumor about MM being pregnant during an ongoing murder investigation?

BTW, anyone remember who that poster was?

Barbara2

08-24-2007, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

Are you really ALTER EGO ?
Can you *PROVE* it ?
:rolleyes:

Thank you! That's the point I tried to make and I was ridiculed for it. I hope that this makes it clear. (Bravo!)

springflowers35

08-24-2007, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

At least one of his friends knew of the affair BEFORE the murder.

imo

was that one of the ones telling him to get a lawyer?

springflowers35

08-24-2007, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

I could make all kinds of money off you ,if we could bet on your facts.IMO

if you are going to bet against that fact, you might go ahead and cancel Christmas :D

tiny paw-prints

08-24-2007, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

The point that I was making is that there is no way of knowing if it was Michelle or Jason or someone else on the computer at that time. They can only tell that SOMEone was on the computer.

Someone, another person too, or a party of 3 or more?

For instance,
We have a "family/community computer" at our house.

One for all, all for one. Same nic. Same password too.

Barbara2

08-24-2007, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by Captain Joe
According to eBay, MM also known as Belleaggie on eBay, is doing business out of SC now. She is still buying and selling party favors and such on eBay. The name Belleaggie was also used by her on Reunion.com. Last year the eBay account for Belleaggie was out of Occoee, FL.

Maybe it will now become a "fact" since it is coming from one of *you* and not one of *us*.

tiny paw-prints

08-24-2007, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

I wonder if the move to SC was planned prior to MY's murder, or if it was predicated on it?

That's an interesting thought.

IIRC, it was rumored shortly after the murder, that MM had given her notice at the school where she taught. And then, at about that same time (or every near to it), it was rumored that SM received a transfer and/or promotion to SC.

Thereafter, it became my understanding the SM frequently moves around a lot due to his job specification.

Their move to SC could have been for several reasons. IMO

springflowers35

08-24-2007, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

I had to laugh,has it come down to a you and us crowd?Thats pretty pathetic.IMO

thank the other board gambler.

it doesn't matter what anybody here thinks. the killer is already paying. jmo

Barbara2

08-24-2007, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

I had to laugh,has it come down to a you and us crowd?Thats pretty pathetic.IMO

I apologize. I don't believe that but that's the impression I got from a couple of posters this evening. And you are right. That is pathetic.

tiny paw-prints

08-24-2007, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by springflowers35

it means the trolls wanted fed, and we fed them :cuss: sorry, board.

Public Announcement:

The fish that avoids the bait lives the longest

:patriot:

Surfside6

08-24-2007, 11:26 PM

it would be really sad to think that michelle could have been murdered over "custody" of the NCSU football season's tickets after a divorce.

that could have put jason over the edge if this were not a premeditated murder.

stranger things have happened in murders.
killers don't always have reasons to kill.

it could have been that jason was involved in some sort of illegal activities concerning ticket sales or ticket scalping.

i think that is what tiny meant.

it could have centered around illegal betting, game-fixing or selling steroids to players.

Hey Paula, i think the Money's move to Myrtle Beach had been long planned, before MY's murder.

as far as a mascot goes, maybe that's the ONLY way jason can view the games and not be spotted in the crowd. he can wear the wolf costume.

imo

tiny paw-prints

08-24-2007, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by Surfside6

(respectfully snipped)

i think that is what tiny meant.

Hey, Surf!

Are you reading my mind again?

Good to "see" you!

P.S. Was Abaroa arrested for fraud shortly after his wife, Janet Abaroa, was murdered?

Barbara2

08-24-2007, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
It has never been established that there was any affair.

The media won't even call it an affair and neither will LE.

That should be a biiiiiig clue.

I don't blame you for hanging onto that straw. If it makes you feel better, go for it. It's not like the facts in this case really impact your life. It's important to feel good. :rose:

Lindsey

08-24-2007, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220126489549

Psss...don't tell her daddy she sold this:

"It is in perfect condition, and has been in my china closet since I received it. There is no original box.

What a marvelous gift for Dad from the bride, or from Daddy to his special daughter "

Jul-06-07 11:17:15 PDT
Item location: Ocoee, Florida, United States

indie

08-24-2007, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Follow the Myspace link and go down to the fourth comment (the one given by Mere-dita! [meredith])

I bet you like to look in people's medicine cabinets when you are visiting them. :no:

springflowers35

08-24-2007, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by Lindsey

Jul-06-07 11:17:15 PDT
Item location: Ocoee, Florida, United States

my ebay has the same location as when i signed up. that was 3 states ago.

does none of the jii crowd have access to know she is in SC now?

Lindsey

08-24-2007, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by springflowers35

my ebay has the same location as when i signed up. that was 3 states ago.

does none of the jii crowd have access to know she is in SC now?

Hey don't look at me. I just copy pasted the info right strait off the ebay page.

Is that not what he wanted us to look at? :shrug:

Jules2

08-24-2007, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Captain Joe
Looks like Meredith had her unibrow waxed here:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=123367635

Since when did CTV condone making fun of, insulting and criticizing the appearance of a victims' family member?

I'm rather shocked at your post, Joe. Why the need for the "unibrow" comment?:shrug:

Barbara2

08-25-2007, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Got a credible link to JY and MM having an affair?

<snipped>

Yes.

Kat4Eagles

08-25-2007, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Fireflies

So could I. You can bet your boots no friends are talking to Sheriff Taylor no matter how much he harasses them.

Lol, Here ya go!

GOPACK
Member
Registered: Mar 2007
Location:
Posts: 170

Re: MF

quote:
What would you say if you knew that MF e-mailed JY several weeks after the murder asking him and Cassie to move in with her and she would look after the little girl while he worked.

Maybe she knows something we don't.

There's no link for info like this. Frankly don't care if you believe the statement or not.

Yes, I believe your first post, but thats old news.
LE dropped the plan for an "Amber Frey" like confession guise when MF went back to NY.

Soooooooo, L E was going to wire the only sister too?
And , they changed their minds because she went back home?
Old posts have a way of coming back to haunt us.
Right, Andy?

And, then there is this one...one of my favorites.
<snipped>
Could that be because RPD claimed to be a female Raleigh police officer?

RPD
Senior Member
Registered: Nov 2006
Location: Raleigh NC
Posts: 1562

Ok, I see where this is going. I need to clear this up ASAP.

I am NOT really Amanda Lamb. JTF had it right to start with and my friend Amanda just covered at my request. I am not a business man. I am in fact a female Raleigh Police Officer very interested in this case (staying on topic)

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

What was that all about, Andy?

Kat

indie

08-25-2007, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Got a credible link to JY and MM having an affair?

Why can't you produce that 'straw'?

And care to explan why LE failed to classify the relationship as an affair in any of the SWs? They talked about the interview they had with MM and her admitting to almost daily contact on the phone or email. But not a WORD about 'affair' and nothing about them hooking up.

Geez buddy you sure are all worked up about this whole affair vs. relationship issue. Does it really bother you what other people THINK is true?

Hey when all the cards are on the table and it is discovered that MM did not have sex with Jason well we will all commend you for your fine effort in trying to persuade us tonight.

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by Captain Joe

Here's her updated profile
http://search.ebay.ca/ws/search/MemberSearchResult?frompage=fmrshowpage&userid=belleaggie&fcl=3&fsop=1&fsoo=1&catref=C5&nojspr=y&frpp=50&sacat=-1&_trksid=m37&from=R7&nojspr=y&pfid=0

And how does this have anything to do with the murder of

Michelle Marie Fisher Young?

indie

08-25-2007, 12:23 AM

I just realized that this is my 666 post so I am just using it up on nothing. :chicken:

indie

08-25-2007, 12:24 AM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

snipped for reasonable reasons>>>>>>

What was that all about, Andy?

Kat

Okay so it wasn't one of his finer moments but his "stellar" efforts on this case have been extremely admirable in my book. :read:

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by Captain Joe
According to eBay, MM also known as Belleaggie on eBay, is doing business out of SC now. She is still buying and selling party favors and such on eBay. The name Belleaggie was also used by her on Reunion.com. Last year the eBay account for Belleaggie was out of Occoee, FL.

And what does any of the above, have to do with the murder of

Michelle Marie Fisher Young?

Kat4Eagles

08-25-2007, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by indie

Okay so it wasn't one of his finer moments but his "stellar" efforts on this case have been extremely admirable in my book. :read:

The point is that "Andy" was talking about credibilty, and since this is at least his 5th name, that I know of, it kinda takes away from any crediblity factor he has, at all.

The discussion was wire~tapping, so I went to the Board cache and found the wire~tapping post against the only sister...

I am totally on topic....
:)
JMO
Kat

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by Captain Joe
Looks like Meredith had her unibrow waxed here:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=123367635

And what, in your opinion, does the above have to do with the murder of

Michelle Marie Fisher Young?

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 12:42 AM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor
Kat, please tell us more about one of your many 'deleted' posts. You know, the one where you said JY picked up someone in his car prior to the meeting on Friday am. ;)

Were those posts related to the discussion about the "unknown co-worker" who went to the meeting with JY?

cognac

08-25-2007, 12:43 AM

MassComm
Member

Registered: Jan 2007
Location: NC
Posts: 727

***snipped***

I wonder if Jason will be able to show up at NC State games anymore?
I wonder if he gave up his season tickets yet?

----------------------------------------

Well MC - if he didn't give up his tickets before seeing his photo in the WOLF PACKER, I think he sure has heck has done so now! lol Can you imagine how 'offended' him and his family were to see that in the WOLF PACKER? I mean, afterall, he's been a loyal season ticket holder!
I would guess that he's not even a fan anymore - got a new team to support or maybe he's totally given up on the sport, just like he has with Michelle's family. Besides, somebody at the game might throw a few questions at him and he can't have any of that.

JMO

indie

08-25-2007, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

The point is that "Andy" was talking about credibilty, and since this is at least his 5th name, that I know of, it kinda takes away from any crediblity factor he has, at all.

The discussion was wire~tapping, so I went to the Board cache and found the wire~tapping post against the only sister...

I am totally on topic....
:)
JMO
Kat

Kat, ya have to admit despite his very creative nics his message remains the same.

Lindsey

08-25-2007, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

Super Sleuth Lindsey notes MM's location on e-bay is still shown in Florida as of 7-6-07. Reckon she just forgot to update her profile :shrug: I do.

I wasn't sleuthing anything. I just read what she had on her page with the item she sold. I thought that was your point. I didn't see anything on the page about SC. But it doesn't matter to me where she lives. I wish her the very best with her new babies.

I did note that at least one of her buyers left some positive feedback including something about her honesty. I would say that's a good thing. I'm not an ebay person myself so all I know is what they tell me. :)

Samiya

08-25-2007, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by Captain Joe

You're focused on the wrong person as the perp. Change your focus.

Oh ok...pauses.....

Oh well, I changed my focus back because I could find nothing on Meredith. Her weight and eyebrows just don't seem all that suspicious to me.

Sami

ps She looks gorgeous in her MS pic

cognac

08-25-2007, 12:54 AM

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by Captain Joe

You're focused on the wrong person as the perp. Change your focus.

Would that include an average person who can make up their own mind?

Lindsey

08-25-2007, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by cognac
MassComm
Member

Registered: Jan 2007
Location: NC
Posts: 727

***snipped***

I wonder if Jason will be able to show up at NC State games anymore?
I wonder if he gave up his season tickets yet?

----------------------------------------

Well MC - if he didn't give up his tickets before seeing his photo in the WOLF PACKER, I think he sure has heck has done so now! lol Can you imagine how 'offended' him and his family were to see that in the WOLF PACKER? I mean, afterall, he's been a loyal season ticket holder!
I would guess that he's not even a fan anymore - got a new team to support or maybe he's totally given up on the sport, just like he has with Michelle's family. Besides, somebody at the game might throw a few questions at him and he can't have any of that.

JMO

I'm using your post to address the topic in general.

You know, it really doesn't matter what Jason does about the football games. He's da*ned if he does and da*ned if he doesn't.

If he goes to the games, they will say "Look at that guilty man! This proves he didn't love Michelle or else he couldn't go to those games without her!".

If he doesn't go to the games, they will say "Look at that guilty man! He's ashamed to show his face in public so he's hiding out instead of going to those games!"

I don't know or care if he will go to them or not. It doesn't mean anything either way.

IMO

Lindsey

08-25-2007, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by willow_1

Lindsey,you gotta love it when they post a link that proves they are wrong. IMO

Hey willow! Sometimes a person just can't win, can they? :D

Kat4Eagles

08-25-2007, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Kat,

It's another or alternative theory that I think is a possibility for a motive and/or the motive for murder. JY and MY were both staunch supporters and (diehard?) fans of their alma mater.

For those reasons alone, is why I think the 4x6" ad was reserved for the $10,000 reward poster in the August issue of the sport's magazine. And, I'm still waiting on confirmation if the same ad is depicted in the September issue of that same magazine.

I'm not thinking that the ad was run for any kind of pun or "game" playing on the field of this murder investigation. I believe there was a specific purpose in mind for that ad, or those ads.

I'm perceiving those ads to be a possible "road map" of the overall investigation itself, a complex one.

Okay, I was just trying to see where you were going with this.
I guess Progress Energy paid for the ad, since they are the ones offering the reward.

I am curious to see what comes of it.

I like different theories...at least you took the time to explain yourself.

JMO
Kat

Lindsey

08-25-2007, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by agathachristie

I'm not an ebay person either.

I'm also not a MySpace person .

I've learned all about MySpace from you ! :)

I'm not a MySpace person either but I know people who are. :cool:

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
yeah. all bs, all the time.

ALTER EG0 = 0 not O.
I never noticed that before! How clever of you!

Do you think Jason was clever enough to have actually planned the murder of his wife?

Kat4Eagles

08-25-2007, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by Captain Joe

You're focused on the wrong person as the perp. Change your focus.

I have had my money on a different mare for quite some time now, and she seems to be gaining momentum even as we post.

In fact, the handicappers have listed this horse as a real closer.

:)
JMO
Kat

cognac

08-25-2007, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by Barbara2

The point that I was making is that there is no way of knowing if it was Michelle or Jason or someone else on the computer at that time. They can only tell that SOMEone was on the computer.

Hmmmmm. Interesting. So are you saying that it's possible jy was on the computer pretending to be Michelle?

Lindsey

08-25-2007, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

"0" was a clever re-entry after being banned for arguing, bashing and insulting posters.

:eek:

And your point is ? :tongue:

cognac

08-25-2007, 01:21 AM

Originally posted by lilismom

***snipped***

I would be surpised if MM would agree to continue to talk to him in order to tape the calls, if the laws of FL or SC allowed, of course.

.IMO,
Lilismom

Me too and I'd be SHOCKED to learn that jy has talked to her since the funeral from what we've read about his silence.

Kat4Eagles

08-25-2007, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by indie

Kat, ya have to admit despite his very creative nics his message remains the same.

Please tell me one post he has made that has come true.

He predicted the only sister would be arrested for getting into Jason's daughter's funds.

T/F ???

He came up with the idea Jason hired a hitman, and swayed the Board into thinking that.

T/F
He has insiders, knows everyone, including L E, and predicts on a constant basis the arrest is coming...

So, is the mext millenium..

Please share with me anything, anything at all , that he has posted that has come true...

Just one thing, other than he gets banned constantly.

If he was my source, my insider, I would not hold my breath waiting .

JMO

Kat

Kat4Eagles

08-25-2007, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

"0" was a clever re-entry after being banned for arguing, bashing and insulting posters.

:eek:

You have to be kidding.....and you wonder why I find your credibility incredible.

So, what's the latest , Andy, what are you and Barney working on now?

JMO
Kat

Hey Paula

08-25-2007, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by cognac

Excellent post HP!

Thanks, Cognac.

For all we know, that indictment could be ready and waiting to be served at a moment's notice.

IMO

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Okay, I was just trying to see where you were going with this.
I guess Progress Energy paid for the ad, since they are the ones offering the reward.

I am curious to see what comes of it.

I like different theories...at least you took the time to explain yourself.

JMO
Kat

You're welcome. It was an honest reply to your post.

I think it's highly likely that Progress Energy reserved the space and paid for the ad(s), because a company as large as they are would probably be regular season ticket holders themselves. But that wouldn't even be relevant to the topic.

Obviously, the decision to place the ad was pre-approved by the publisher of the sport's magazine and like someone else previously mentioned, the subject photo is Not copyrighted.

IIRC, that photo was provided by the Young family?

None of the above is relevant, IMO.

I'm more curious to know why PE (or whomever placed the ad) deems it to be appropriate or necessary, at this time of season, in this particular sport's magazine, regarding an ongoing murder investigation, which has absolutely Nothing to do with the sport of football.

Or, perhaps in reality, it might??

Kat4Eagles

08-25-2007, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

Option #2 is the best bet. No way he shows his face at CFS.
It does mean something. It means the killer of a popular NCSU alumnus was smart enough to stay far away.

imo

Jason is a pure genius then, has outsmarted the whole state of North Carolina, and all the law enforcement agencies they brought in to help.

He may even have Quantico fooled.

That Jason, who would have thought?, that silly hillbilly ringswallowing knee slapper of a guy, who could fall plumb to this knees at the spur of the moment.

.....and then didn't even have the guts to attend a Wolfpack game.

Where is a sherriff when you need one?
@@

JMO
Kat

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by Lindsey

(snipped)

You know, it really doesn't matter what Jason does about the football games. He's da*ned if he does and da*ned if he doesn't.

So, you're seriously thinking that the ad(s) were placed in this particular sport's magazine as a ruse to create a scenario of a lynch mob or make Jason Angry?

I don't think he has to give any deposition to attend a football game. Do you?

Lindsey

08-25-2007, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

So, you're seriously thinking that the ad(s) were placed in this particular sport's magazine as a ruse to create a scenario of a lynch mob or make Jason Angry?

I don't think he has to give any deposition to attend a football game. Do you?

I haven't said a word about an ad in a magazine. But you already knew that. I'm talking about what the JDI crowd will say, regardless of what he does about attending or not.

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

"0" was a clever re-entry after being banned for arguing, bashing and insulting posters.

:eek:

Oh. I wasn't thinking in terms of that.

Although, you might be correct.

BiggerRedDog

08-25-2007, 02:48 AM

If my knowledge of US copyright law is correct (it may not be), copyright of the photo of MY & JY on the "reward" poster belongs to the person who took the photo. If that's the case I guess the person who took the photo has no problem with its use.

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by Lindsey

I haven't said a word about an ad in a magazine. But you already knew that. I'm talking about what the JDI crowd will say, regardless of what he does about attending or not.

You're implying reference to the ad by speculating about what a lynch mob or "crowd" might say or do after having seen the ad.

Is the "ad" not the basic reason of WHY you're opining Jason may or may not attend any football games?

The "respectable" community members of Brevard might not appreciate seeing that ad.

Is that the "crowd" you're referring to?

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 05:34 AM

Originally posted by BiggerRedDog
If my knowledge of US copyright law is correct (it may not be), copyright of the photo of MY & JY on the "reward" poster belongs to the person who took the photo. If that's the case I guess the person who took the photo has no problem with its use.

Good morning, BRD!

I was just surfing the net and found another article, I believe it was Raleigh Chronicle Story, Dec 8, 2006, that carried the same photo and their staff/editor noted that it was provided by the Brown-Wynne Funeral Home.

The recent article noted that the subject photo was provided by the Young Family.

That particular photo of Jason and Michelle has been widely circulated. IMO.

karen

08-25-2007, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

proof of what? There is no proof that is the same couple.

FYI They live in Myrtle Beach S.C. Sorry I have no link.
Believe it or not...;)

JMO

Dida

08-25-2007, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by Captain Joe

<snip>

You just can't make this stuff up.

<snip>

Why does that sound so familiar???

But I disagree. I think people "make stuff up" all the time, for lots of reasons. jmo

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
I agree...why hasn't LE solved this case and given justice to Michelle? :shrug:

Upon actually having to do some work and investigate this case it hasn't been so easy to just pick JY and pin it on him. IMO.

There may yet be some " Justice" for MY and JY. IMO

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

LE might not be missing anything to obtain an indictment. There are a few possibilities as to why they haven't yet made an arrest, a couple of which might be:

I doubt LE doesn't have enough evidence to secure an indictment, for as the saying goes "they can indict a ham sandwich". I believe the delay in making an arrest is intentional, and is serving a worthwhile purpose in their ultimate goal of ensuring that justice is properly served for Michelle.

IMO

I can't wait until Jason's lawyers eat that Ham Sandwich for lunch. :D

JUSTICE! IMO

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 10:29 AM

Dida

08-25-2007, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by ReedJ

If Jason isn't aquitted I will further lose faith in the " Justice " system. IMO

I think it's a little premature to be talking about an acquittal. Jason has not been indicted. :)

eta: As far as the public knows.

indie

08-25-2007, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by willow_1

Has anyone stopped to think that as an alumni of the college JY might have asked them to run the reward. IMO

willow I am sorry but this is worth

not one :santa:

not two :santa: s

but three :santa: s

For one thing, there is no way in heaven Jason wants someone to come forward with information leading to the arrest and conviction of the murderer.

And I believe his college community has now sent Jason a big time message, we don't need the likes of you on our campus. If he would have cooperated I believe the "Wolfpack" would have been there for him. He is a coward and now must fend for himself. Okay he does have his loving mom but last rumor has it not much else.

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by Dida

I think it's a little premature to be talking about an acquittal. Jason has not been indicted. :)

eta: As far as the public knows.

Part of me would love to see it go to trial in that I am confident the judge will throw the case out after the prosecution has presented their " case" . Assuming that Carolina law allows for such a request to be made before a judge, the only set back is that judges can't necessarily always do the right thing in the States because they are elected and politics will play a role. IMO

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by indie

willow I am sorry but this is worth

not one :santa:

not two :santa: s

but three :santa: s

For one thing, there is no way in heaven Jason wants someone to come forward with information leading to the arrest and conviction of the murderer.

And I believe his college community has now sent Jason a big time message, we don't need the likes of you on our campus. If he would have cooperated I believe the "Wolfpack" would have been there for him. He is a coward and now must fend for himself. Okay he does have his loving mom but last rumor has it not much else.

Wrong again , Jason Young is male and he understands the politics that are against him. He needs to remain silent. IMO

indie

08-25-2007, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by ReedJ

Wrong again , Jason Young is male and he understands the politics that are against him. He needs to remain silent. IMO

Sniff, sniff poor Jason. Reed just curious now, when this happens to a man is he allowed to talk to let's say his mom? I just wondered if the "need to remain silent" means EVERYONE for the rest of your life. For example if his mom asked him about the "print out" could he explain it to her or would that be considered against your "every man should protect his rights at all costs" policy?

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by indie

Sniff, sniff poor Jason. Reed just curious now, when this happens to a man is he allowed to talk to let's say his mom? I just wondered if the "need to remain silent" means EVERYONE for the rest of your life. For example if his mom asked him about the "print out" could he explain it to her or would that be considered against your "every man should protect his rights at all costs" policy?

Don't sniff for Jason , we know what Your motives are and it will make his victory that much sweeter. I'm pretty sure his Mom doesn't really care about a print out. IMO

Dida

08-25-2007, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by ReedJ

Don't sniff for Jason , we know what Your motives are and it will make his victory that much sweeter. I'm pretty sure his Mom doesn't really care about a print out. IMO

ReedJ, regardless of whether or not Jason is innocent, regardless of whether or not he ever goes to trial, regardless of the outcome of any trial, a pregnant woman was brutally murdered. I don't see a "victory" here, sorry.

jmo

JHP

08-25-2007, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by willow_1

Has anyone stopped to think that as an alumni of the college JY might have asked them to run the reward. IMO Jason dosen't talk.

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by Dida

ReedJ, regardless of whether or not Jason is innocent, regardless of whether or not he ever goes to trial, regardless of the outcome of any trial, a pregnant woman was brutally murdered. I don't see a "victory" here, sorry.

jmo

Maybe we don't view the word victory as the same but If I were innocent and a state was trying to convict and then kill me and I won the case....I'd feel victorious. He's up against money and politics here. IMO

Dida

08-25-2007, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by ReedJ

Maybe we don't view the word victory as the same but If I were innocent and a state was trying to convict and then kill me and I won the case....I'd feel victorious. He's up against money and politics here. IMO

Okay I understand your using the word victory (maybe it's a gender thing), but, what money and politics?

indie

08-25-2007, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by ReedJ

Don't sniff for Jason , we know what Your motives are and it will make his victory that much sweeter. I'm pretty sure his Mom doesn't really care about a print out. IMO

Sorry Charlie no motives here except justice for Michelle the beautiful, energetic, accomplished mom buried with child in a cemetery in NC.

As a mom of two fine lads I beg to differ. I would have obtained "every" detail from my son so that as a family we could deal with reality and move forward with a moral decision. I am sorry but I could not live with myself if I knew my son killed his wife and continued with his life as if she was nothing.

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by indie

Sorry Charlie no motives here except justice for Michelle the beautiful, energetic, accomplished mom buried with child in a cemetery in NC.

As a mom of two fine lads I beg to differ. I would have obtained "every" detail from my son so that as a family we could deal with reality and move forward with a moral decision. I am sorry but I could not live with myself if I knew my son killed his wife and continued with his life as if she was nothing.

I disagree with everything you posted . If Your son was smart he'd get a lawyer and not trust anyone. JMO

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

Money and politics :confused:

He is up against a devastated family and many friends that want justice for Michelle Young and her unborn son.

:rose:

DA's and judges are elected and have lots of money to spend to make you " fit' as the killer. IMO

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Dida

Okay I understand your using the word victory (maybe it's a gender thing), but, what money and politics?

DA's are elected and Judges have to be political or lose their job. The State ( DA) has lots of money to make JY " fit" as the killer, if they chose to make him the focus. Some call it tunnel vision. JMO

Dida

08-25-2007, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by ReedJ

DA's and judges are elected and have lots of money to spend to make you " fit' as the killer. IMO

I think the fact that DAs and judges are elected makes them more accountable to the public than if they were appointed. As for money, they could probably make a lot more of it in private practice.

jmo

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by willow_1

Dida You have that back wards. JY has not been indicted as far as the Law is concerned.He has been indicted by several people on this board.Hexx he's even been convicted by those same people. IMO

I honestly think that when there is No evidence he killed MY the DA's best and only tool is to see if they can convict him in the media and at least taint a jury pool against him so if the time ever comes it's alot easier to convict by using emotion as the main tool. IMO

Dida

08-25-2007, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by willow_1

Dida You have that back wards. JY has not been indicted as far as the Law is concerned.He has been indicted by several people on this board.Hexx he's even been convicted by those same people. IMO

Willow, I edited my post and chose those words because I remembered that someone made the point here that there could be a sealed indictment of which the public is not aware. jmo

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Dida

I think the fact that DAs and judges are elected makes them more accountable to the public than if they were appointed. As for money, they could probably make a lot more of it in private practice.

jmo

That's part of the problem though. If the DA and media wind everyone up with No evidence and use emotion in the case than a judge can't throw out a case he/she knows has no merit to go to a jury and the DA feels pressure to go after the husband even though they risk convicting an innocent man. Once You go before a jury god knows what they've " heard" or what shows they've watched and if they will just convict you because you're a man that may or may not have had an affair, evidence or lack there of no longer really matters. Imagine the horror of being judged by the same community who may have re-elected GWB. Pretty scary .....plus all the man hating feminists like the ones that pop up on the Petit board against the doctor.....imagine if you gave these people a chance to kill a man. Not good. IMO

Dida

08-25-2007, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by ReedJ

I honestly think that when there is No evidence he killed MY the DA's best and only tool is to see if they can convict him in the media and at least taint a jury pool against him so if the time ever comes it's alot easier to convict by using emotion as the main tool. IMO

To my knowledge, the DA has not commented upon this case. As for LE, they have been very careful about not calling him a suspect. Have you actually read any of the media reports?

jmo

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by Dida

To my knowledge, the DA has not commented upon this case. As for LE, they have been very careful about not calling him a suspect. Have you actually read any of the media reports?

jmo

I've seen LE state the he is " Not cooperating" when they could just as easily say that he has chosen to invoke his rights provided to him. IMO

Dida

08-25-2007, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by willow_1

He is the devasted family of MY.She was his best friend.He wants the murderer found more than anyone . IMO

Okay, say I concede that. What is he doing to help?

Dida

08-25-2007, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by ReedJ

I've seen LE state the he is " Not cooperating" when they could just as easily say that he has chosen to invoke his rights provided to him. IMO

His constitutional right is to avoid self-incrimination. LE is stating that he is not cooperating because he has declined to provide information about their daily routine, etc. that might be helpful to the investigation.

jmo

singaporesling

08-25-2007, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by BiggerRedDog
If my knowledge of US copyright law is correct (it may not be), copyright of the photo of MY & JY on the "reward" poster belongs to the person who took the photo. If that's the case I guess the person who took the photo has no problem with its use.

I am basing my opinion of copyright from the info on Greta. I think copyright means from a professional photographer who would mark the back of the photos as such.
The Kesse family is horrified that their daughter's picture is being used by a porn site. They have no recourse to stop her picture from being used and I am sure that whoever took the photo would not agree to their using it.

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Dida

Okay, say I concede that. What is he doing to help?

Please stop trying to insult our intelligence. You must know he cannot " help" he has said many times he was not home during the murder.....can't report who the killer is. You must know that LE has him targeted and don't really want his " help" they want to try and trick him into incriminating himself somehow and in someway....You can't honestly think that JY is a better detective than the ones the state employs. Even if JY tried to " help" he'd be mocked for faking his true intentions blah blah blah.....You know better. IMO;)

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 11:52 AM

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 11:57 AM

Dida

08-25-2007, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

When I read he isn't cooperating with them ,makes me think they can't solve the case and they want him to solve it.They have every piece of evidence of where he was when this murder took place.If they could prove that he wasn't where he said he was ,he would already be arrested.Its time LE moved along and solved this case.He was out of town ,what do they think he could tell them ,that they can't find out .Nothing,so it time they stopped whining about him not cooperating with them and solve this case. IMO

For example: several posters, including myself, have wondered what, if anything, happened to Michelle's rings. Let's hypothetically say they are missing. Had she stopped wearing them because they got too tight? Had she put them in her jewelry box that allegedly has missing drawers? Or maybe she removed them when she showered, and put them in one of those little china dishes on the bathroom vanity. Did she shower at night or in the morning? If she showered at night, would the rings likely have been left in the hypothetical dish overnight? If the killer took a shower, might they have seen and taken the rings?

Ordinary information. Nothing incriminating. Would anyone else be as likely to know any of this?

jmo

edited for typo

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by Dida

For example: several posters, including myself, have wondered what, if anything, happened to Michelle's rings. Let's hypothetically say they are missing. Had she stopped wearing them because they got too tight? Had she put them in her jewelry box that allegedly has missed drawers? Or maybe she removed them when she showered, and put them in one of those little china dishes on the bathroom vanity. Did she shower at night or in the morning? If she showered at night, would the rings likely have been left in the hypothetical dish overnight? If the killer took a shower, might they have seen and taken the rings?

Ordinary information. Nothing incriminating. Would anyone else be as likely to know any of this?

jmo

That's how it starts and then the media gets involved and before you know it you're dead. IMO

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

It isn't his job to solve this case.LE has all the necessary tools to solve this case. Let them use those tools. LE had the crime scene evidence ,the dna,the fingerprints,the autopsy report.If they can't solve the case with all these things ,what do you think JY could give them that would help? IMO

Thank-You.........Nothing. imo

ReedJ

08-25-2007, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by Jolae

ReedJ, why don't you please just stick to Canadian Crime and such.

It is not required by the CTV rules, read them.

springflowers35

08-25-2007, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

Right, since he had a romantic flame in Florida, his WIFE was his best friend :santa: :santa:

somebody's into the good stuff now :D

Kat4Eagles

08-25-2007, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

Kat , do you not know by now I COULD CARE LESS what YOU think of my nic, my posts or my credibility. I have counted up at least 1/2 dozen of your recent,rambling posts that are strictly about me and NOT about the MY case. I would appreciate it if you could stay on topic and stop obsessing about me.:punch:

Obsession is a very good word, but not one that implys to me concerning you, but rather, to you and this case.

I noticed not one person was able to point out anything you have posted here as FACT.

Then I remembered the post you bought here from a noted psychologist, Dr. Bluster, was it?

Who was able to determine Jason was a psychopath. although never meeting or interviewing him, and you had one of Jason's friends agree with this?

Then we all found out who Dr Bluster was...just a blogger with no credentials whatsover.

Kinda just like all of us, who come here to post and try to figure out things by running them by other people.

Getting feedback and being able to process it as such, and showing what is hanging you, me .I, us, we, and looks like even
L E up on the case.....

Most of us do not pretend we know more than the other...

You have stated thet you viewed the autopsy photos, I do not doubt that.
You said that you were brought in for questioning for doing so, and when you asked about a maglite being the murder weapon, one officer stopped and asked why you thought that...

You later posted that you stopped at L E and asked about any more s/warrants....

You then said that someone there inadvertently used the word"he" when talking about an arrest...

I could go on and on, about the things you posted under all the names you post under.

Re:
The Young income and their financial situation
The homeowners claim , which I missed.
The insurance policy.... for a million dollars....

In about 10 years, Michelle would have earned that on her own, she was worth much more alive to Jason than dead...

You say you have driven by the home, the grave..

You post about Jason's new job,.

Does any of this give obsession a new name?

You claim to know insiders from the family and friends.,

I do not doubt that,but until the day L E decides to hold their press conference, walk up to the podium, and make their announcement of an arrest, you simply do not know more than anyone else.

You do not know who and you do not know when.
JMO
Kat

Dida

08-25-2007, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
And instead of whining about it, they should go to his atty with their questions like he told them to.

Why haven't they?

Do you know for a fact they haven't? Some on this board have said that Mr. Smith is no longer representing JY. Where does LE go then?

jmo

Kat4Eagles

08-25-2007, 01:18 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Some must think the DA and LE are pretty pathetic murder investigators if they think the husband has to help them solve the crime.

Normal thinking people would want the FBI and/or NCSBI involved and helping with the investigation, not a salesman :lol:
,[/QUOTE

Exactly, and all you have to do is go back to the day of 11/3.

The body was found according to the 911 call approx at 1:30 pm.
That is fact..

The rest are rumors, such as what time Jason arrived in Brevard, whether he made a stop, or what time he arrived back in Raleigh, but to think L E was not mpatient with all those hours Jason was unable to answer questions in between, would be an undertstatement.

They had to wait for a s/warrant to be signed, and in order to do so, they had to list anything they could think of for probable cause. That is the normal process.

They had all that time to talk to other people, everyone but him, they were probably getting pretty angry, or at least impatient to meet with this guy.

Where was he, what was he doing?

They had come from a crime scene that, in their own words was one of the worst , if not the worst, they had seen in 20 years.

They did not. that we know of, ,find any signs of forced entry, which is not to say, somethng could have been left open or unlocked.

Jason did answer questions briefly, and this is HUGE....

If he had retained a lawyer before he got back to Raleigh, he would have deferred them to counsel....

But, he did not and that leads me to believe unless otherwise known, that counsel was retained AFTER his arrival.....

So many things muct have been going on in Jason's mind, Michelle was dead, and now here are all these officers waiting to speak to him, before he can even comprehend what has happened?

Scared?, heck yeah.

None of us were there, we don't know the attitude or demeanor of anyone else there either, or who all was even there.

We just do not know.

JMO
Kat

Dida

08-25-2007, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
If they had gone to his atty as requested, LE would have said they contacted his atty and were refused. They knew to serve the NTIO at the atty office and they know what they need to do to talk to Jason.

If Jason has changed atty's, LE is aware of it.

I don't think you can necessarily draw the conclusion about what LE would have said, and, IIRC, some posters have said that JY no longer has an attorney at all. If that's true, then how would LE pose their questions?

jmo

Kat4Eagles

08-25-2007, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Some must think the DA and LE are pretty pathetic murder investigators if they think the husband has to help them solve the crime.

Normal thinking people would want the FBI and/or NCSBI involved and helping with the investigation, not a salesman :lol:
,[/QUOTE

Exactly, and all you have to do is go back to the day of 11/3.

The body was found according to the 911 call approx at 1:30 pm.
That is fact..

The rest are rumors, such as what time Jason arrived in Brevard, whether he made a stop, or what time he arrived back in Raleigh, but to think L E was not impatient with all those hours Jason was unable to answer questions in between, would be an undertstatement.

They had to wait for a s/warrant to be signed, and in order to do so, they had to list anything they could think of for probable cause. That is the normal process.

They had all that time to talk to other people, everyone but him, they were probably getting pretty angry, or at least impatient to meet with this guy.

Where was he, what was he doing?

They had come from a crime scene that, in their own words was one of the worst , if not the worst, they had seen in 20 years.

They did not. that we know of, ,find any signs of forced entry, which is not to say, somethng could have been left open or unlocked.

Jason did answer questions briefly, and this is HUGE....

If he had retained a lawyer before he got back to Raleigh, he would have deferred them to counsel....

But, he did not and that leads me to believe unless otherwise known, that counsel was retained AFTER his arrival.....

So many things muct have been going on in Jason's mind, Michelle was dead, and now here are all these officers waiting to speak to him, before he can even comprehend what has happened?

Scared?, heck yeah.

None of us were there, we don't know the attitude or demeanor of anyone else there either, or who all was even there.

We just do not know.

JMO
Kat

Corrected typo.

Apoc

08-25-2007, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

Corrected typo.

You missed a few more.

Apoc

08-25-2007, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Yup as long as his atty is present...how come LE doesn't want his atty there? How come they haven't arranged to interview Jason with his atty present?

What's up with that?

Where has it ever been stated that LE doesn't want his attorney there?

This whole argument is just silly. If he is truly innocent, he'd meet with LE with his attorney present and give them some background info on Michelle. Maybe she had a stalker? But know, he hids behind his mommy's skirt under the guise of exercising his rights. Give me a break. Only a guilty man would do that IMO.

Dida

08-25-2007, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

<snip>

It's amazing the lengths some have gone to in creating senarios they then call fact in an effort to justify their flawed logic and conclusion jumping. [/B]

Well we certainly agree on that, albeit from different perspectives. jmo

Apoc

08-25-2007, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
:beer:

We only know what little his family has said about what happened when he arrived at his parent's home.

It's amazing the lengths some have gone to in creating senarios they then call fact in an effort to justify their flawed logic and conclusion jumping.

ITA AE! Just look at the wild tales spun about MF, based on nothing.

lilismom

08-25-2007, 02:07 PM

lilismom

08-25-2007, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Some must think the DA and LE are pretty pathetic murder investigators if they think the husband has to help them solve the crime.

Normal thinking people would want the FBI and/or NCSBI involved and helping with the investigation, not a salesman :lol:

Why not all three?

FBI and NCSBI can handle all the hard stuff and the salesman can answer the inane easy stuff.

IMO,
Lilismom

Dida

08-25-2007, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by lilismom

How do you know they haven't?

If they did, I bet it was a very short interview.

IMO,
Lilismom

I'm not taking that bet. :)

lilismom

08-25-2007, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

That's how it starts and then the media gets involved and before you know it you're dead. IMO

I don't know about the 'before you know it you're dead'. The death penalty in this country takes a long time to be carried out.

IMO,
Lilismom

lilismom

08-25-2007, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

I've seen LE state the he is " Not cooperating" when they could just as easily say that he has chosen to invoke his rights provided to him. IMO

To my way of thinking, it sends the same message. He's not talking. A message he has complete control over.

IMO,
Lilismom

Dida

08-25-2007, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by lilismom

I don't know about the 'before you know it you're dead'. The death penalty in this country takes a long time to be carried out.

IMO,
Lilismom

Actually there is pretty much a moratorium on executions in NC at the moment, due to some issues with the state Medical Board's ethics policy. jmo

Dida

08-25-2007, 02:28 PM

You know, I finally made myself really listen to the 911 call. I have to say, I cannot hear "Daddy did it". However, I also don't hear the "odd" or "strange" things that some people claim about it. I hear, at the beginning, a young woman whose voice is breaking and who is hyperventilating, all signs of emotion and stress, imo. It then seems to me that she gets more grounded by trying to remain calm for CY. But I simply don't hear anything sinister in it. jmo

JD1974

08-25-2007, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by Hey Paula

LE might not be missing anything to obtain an indictment. There are a few possibilities as to why they haven't yet made an arrest, a couple of which might be:

1) They have already indicted someone, and the indictment has been sealed, perhaps because they believe the perp might have had an accomplice, and if they don't seal the indictment the perp's attorney would have access to the evidence presented to, and transcript of, the GJ hearing.

2) They are still gathering evidence, and not yet ready to bring this case to trial. By making a premature arrest, the perp's attorney could request a speedy trial before the DA is fully prepared.

I doubt LE doesn't have enough evidence to secure an indictment, for as the saying goes "they can indict a ham sandwich". I believe the delay in making an arrest is intentional, and is serving a worthwhile purpose in their ultimate goal of ensuring that justice is properly served for Michelle.

IMO

Hi Hey Paula!

I thought NC was one of those states where they don't have transcripts of the grand jury?

JD1974

08-25-2007, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Barbara2

Because in SC, a person can record private conversations without notifying the other person that they are being recorded. In Florida, that is not allowed. Some don't want to accept the POSSIBILITY that MM might have recorded phone calls between herself and JY. (Or I guess SM could have recorded calls as well.)

Some do not want to accept that S and MM moved to SC.

Do you honestly believe Jason would say something incriminating to MM in January, when he knew she was already co-operating in Nov-Dec? That would be the dumbest thing in the world for him to do. Most people would agree IF Jason killed Michelle, he was very smart and planned it very well. I don't think he would make a mistake like that, if he had committed the crime. IMO

Dida

08-25-2007, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by purple

Sure, let him hire an attorney, sort himself out for being upset because someone was rude to him, and move forward. That simply doesn't explain why he has refused to speak to the police for 10 months.

Exactly. Thank you.

Dida

08-25-2007, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

We only have LE word that he has refused to cooperate with them He didn't have any problems giving them his blood ,finger prints,foot prints,shoe size and what ever else they wanted.They have his computers,his finance records,his photos,his receipts,etc.What more do you think they want?I think that is just an excuse that LE is using because they haven't solved the case. IMO

Those things were not obtained through Jason's "cooperation". They were obtained through SWs and an NTO. That is not voluntary. jmo

Dida

08-25-2007, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

Regardless of how they were obtained ,he gave them.His attorney went with him and he gave them. Do you not think that if LE wanted to talk to him his attorney wouldn't have arranged it?

I've been saying for a while now that we have no way of knowing what the attorney's advice was/is. We only know what JY has chosen to do. I would think most attorneys would advise at least one interview, if for no other reason than to find out what LE is thinking. The attorney could always advise his client not to answer specific questions. jmo

Dida

08-25-2007, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

Considering Jason is innocent of killing his wife and is in fact a victim of the crime, I think invading his privacy and posting info on the Internet ranks higher on the dumb meter.

:lol:

Do you mean, things like describing his home as seen in photos taken after the crime of which he was a "victim"?

heathen

08-25-2007, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by purple

Rudeness is not a rare thing - are you suggesting that Jason doesn't know how to deal with rude people in a professional manner? I fail to see how encountering rude, abrupt police officers is any reason to get all twisted up and refuse to cooperate. Besides, even if one policeman is rude, there's usually another on the scene that isn't. Couldn't Jason have gravitated towards the "good cop"?

Jason's profession is in sales, correct? Is he not trained how to make lemonade out of lemons? I'm sure he's encountered many personality types as a sales rep. Surely a so-called "rude" officer wouldn't scare him mute!

Dida

08-25-2007, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

Do you know for a fact that Jason was first asked to voluntarily supply those items and he refused?

I've never heard LE say he's refused to cooperate overall, they've just said he's refused to TALK to them.

Why would LE go to the extra work of obtaining an NTO and SWs if Jason were willing to supply that evidence voluntarily?

Dida

08-25-2007, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

Are you an adult? You respond to nearly every posting with inane questions.

I am an adult. If you find my questions inane, you don't have to respond to them. :)

karen

08-25-2007, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

Are you an adult? You respond to nearly every posting with inane questions.

What kind of question is this coming from someone that thinks CY'S socks were dipped in blood ......:D You know you said it.....:rolleyes:

Lindsey

08-25-2007, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by purple

Why would the police bother with SW if they didn't need them ... to make extra work for themselves?

IIRC, and I think I do, several on this board, including locals who would be "in the know" about such things, said that it was SOP for LE to get that SW/NTO. They said that's just how it's done up there. I really hate that all those posts and most of those posters are gone now.

IMO

Good afternoon board!

heathen

08-25-2007, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by purple

Exactly. Any educated person should be able to manoevre (how is that spelled anyway!) around a little rudeness. It simply doesn't excuse his lack of cooperation with the police.

*maneuver* :D

Lindsey

08-25-2007, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

They had a warrant to take his car,his computers his important papers etc before he ever got back to Raleigh. So that would make me think they never asked for the other evidence ,thats just common sense.IMO

They might have already had a warrant for his house and contents, including computers, before he was even notifed of Michelle's murder. If not before, it sure was cutting it close.

The warrant was issued 11/3 at 3:21 pm. We don't know exactly what time Jason was notified.

IMO

heathen

08-25-2007, 04:17 PM

Originally posted by purple

I see. So shortly after the murder it was a "romantic relationship" but since that time it has become only a relationship. Okay.

Why the need to make facts untrue? I'm a little confused as to whether the objective is to figure out what happened, or to make Jason look innocent in spite of the romantic relationship with his wife's sorority sister ... amongst other incriminating circumstantial evidence.

It was an affair, until someone whined to the publisher of the article and the word affair was miraculously changed to "romantic relationship" - I saw it with my very own eyes!

Jules2

08-25-2007, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

Maybe you should review an English text that explains the use of quotation marks.

You highlighted a reporter's comment, not a direct quote of Harrison's.

:shrug:

Maybe you should stick to the topic at hand instead of discussing poster's lack of oxygen levels, mis-use of quotation marks, and whether or not they are adults.

And while your at it, re-read the TOS. You've violated it more than once today.
IMO.

ETA. Gosh, just in the time it took for me to type this, you've now suggested a poster can't see properly. Nice roll you're on today. Could we please stay on topic so this thread doesn't get locked again?

Dida

08-25-2007, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by purple

Indeed I do. I think that if it was Michelle's habit to leave certain lights on at night, and they were all off or all on, that may give some clue as to who was in the house and what they did while they were there.

Jason's refusal to cooperate has impeded the investigation:

"So there's a lot of people that we've talked to trying to find out some information that we could've got very easily from him."

ITA. I think it would be very helpful to the investigation to know Michelle's habits. Like whether or not she slept in a hoodie. jmo

5swab5

08-25-2007, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

I suggest you see an eye doctor. Maybe your eyes are stuck like this: :rolleyes:

Funny, I not only saw it, I kept it too. :D

(before it was changed to "relationship")

During the investigation, investigators allege that Jason had been having an affair with Michelle Money, a friend of Michelle's who lived in Florida, beginning in September 2006.

Swabby

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Dida

His constitutional right is to avoid self-incrimination. LE is stating that he is not cooperating because he has declined to provide information about their daily routine, etc. that might be helpful to the investigation.

jmo

The lack of Jason cooperating hasn't stopped them from investigating, but it's slowed them down?

IIRC, Maj. Johnson said they had to go to 5-6 people for one small thing.

It's Jason constitutional right to remain silent now, but he'll soon be exercising due process for the "right to be heard", at time of trial. IMO

heathen

08-25-2007, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by 5swab5

Funny, I not only saw it, I kept it too. :D

(before it was changed to "relationship")

During the investigation, investigators allege that Jason had been having an affair with Michelle Money, a friend of Michelle's who lived in Florida, beginning in September 2006.

Swabby

:patriot: Thank you, Swabby! That's exactly how it read, and we went over this when the article was first published. A poster actually accused me of altering the writers words. Can you imagine my horror?

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

He also has the constitutional right to due process.:read:

That due process is the right to be heard.

IIRC, Spencer Smith of Brevard and a longtime Young family neighbor said that a paper trail confirms Jason was not in Raleigh when Michelle was murdered.

I don't think that "paper trail" is going to prevent an arrest.

heathen

08-25-2007, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by purple

That is an important distinction indeed. So he may have been in town when Michelle was murdered.

I happen to believe he was. I'll even go one further - I believe he was at the scene of the crime when it happened. Not only that, I believe he is the perpetrator.

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Dida
You know, I finally made myself really listen to the 911 call. I have to say, I cannot hear "Daddy did it". However, I also don't hear the "odd" or "strange" things that some people claim about it. I hear, at the beginning, a young woman whose voice is breaking and who is hyperventilating, all signs of emotion and stress, imo. It then seems to me that she gets more grounded by trying to remain calm for CY. But I simply don't hear anything sinister in it. jmo

I believe you probably heard the edited version of the 911 call.

There is, in my opinion:

1. the original unedited version. Not public.
2. an edited version of the original. Public.
3. an unedited and enhanced version of the original. Not public.

lilismom

08-25-2007, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Dida

ITA. I think it would be very helpful to the investigation to know Michelle's habits. Like whether or not she slept in a hoodie. jmo

Ya know, the more I think about this, the more I think he would answer appropriate to fit the scene of that night. Of course, he would have to remember how he left the house. If it was him, of course.

Did you and MY normally leave the kitchen light on? Yep.

Did Michelle regularly sleep in a hoodie? Yep.

Did you and MY normally leave the blinds closed. Yep.

Am I making any sense?

IMO,
Lilismom

Dida

08-25-2007, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

I believe you probably heard the edited version of the 911 call.

There is, in my opinion:

1. the original unedited version. Not public.
2. an edited version of the original. Public.
3. an unedited and enhanced version of the original. Not public.

Do you know the differences between the public and non-public versions? How much more can be heard? TIA

heathen

08-25-2007, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Do you know the differences between the public and non-public versions? How much more can be heard? TIA

I don't know the answer to your question, but I can say that once the call was transferred to the Sheriff's office, there was probably more taping that none of us have been privy to.

Dida

08-25-2007, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by Fightin'Irish

We are not talking about whose "job" it is...I am talking about whose responsibility it is to be a loving, compassionate, caring husband and father and to aid LE in finding out who murdered his wife and unborn son. NOT HIS JOB.....JMO

Justice for Michelle and her babies,,,:rose:

You know, ironically, I think if he had done that, even if it meant he were falsely arrested, he would have have a lot more support on this board. jmo

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by heathen

It was an affair, until someone whined to the publisher of the article and the word affair was miraculously changed to "romantic relationship" - I saw it with my very own eyes!

Raleigh Chronicle Story
From Staff And Wire Reports
Friday, December 8, 2006 6:45pm
Updated Saturday, December 10, 2006

IIRC, there were also a few changes made by the reporter in the above article.

Did you also think that was "miraculously" changed?

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Dida

Do you know the differences between the public and non-public versions? How much more can be heard? TIA

I'll make a safe guess that about 15-25% of the original 911 call has been edited for the public.

To preserve the integrity of the case, I'll decline to elaborate any further regarding the subject.

Dida

08-25-2007, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

I'll make a safe guess that about 15-25% of the original 911 call has been edited for the public.

To preserve the integrity of the case, I'll decline to elaborate any further regarding the subject.

Understood.

singaporesling

08-25-2007, 05:36 PM

heathen

08-25-2007, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Raleigh Chronicle Story
From Staff And Wire Reports
Friday, December 8, 2006 6:45pm
Updated Saturday, December 10, 2006

IIRC, there were also a few changes made by the reporter in the above article.

Did you also think that was "miraculously" changed?

I don't know! Miraculous, to me, is when it occurs w/in a short enough time frame that only a few saw the original & the didn'tdoit's weren't fast enough to catch the original article, tell you you are a liar and refuse to accept that it was what it was.

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Lindsey

They might have already had a warrant for his house and contents, including computers, before he was even notifed of Michelle's murder. If not before, it sure was cutting it close.

The warrant was issued 11/3 at 3:21 pm. We don't know exactly what time Jason was notified.

IMO

Are you saying that Jason had to be notified of Michelle's death before a search warrant can be issued?

If he wanted to be carefree of any search warrants, he shouldn't have killed his wife. IMO.

JD1974

08-25-2007, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by purple

MM may have recorded conversations prior to Michelle's murder. I have a friend that was in an affair and she recorded everything because (in the event that it was found out) she wanted to be able to demonstrate that he initiated the romantic relationship, not her.

MM was married also, do you really think her husband would care who initiated it, or do you think he would care more that it happened period? I think she was hiding the affair just as much as Jason was. IMO

Dida

08-25-2007, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by purple

What we do know is that there was something significant in the relationship between MM and Jason for the police to obtain search warrants for her home and belongings. We don't know of any more of Jason's friends having to submit to such a personal invasion because of having a non-romantic relationship with him.

Very good point, imo. There were over 2 weeks between the SW for JY's computer and the SW for MM's computer. It would appear that LE read something on JY's computer that would justify a search warrant. I don't think "How's the weather" or "How's your job" or "Did you see that program on TV last night" would do it. jmo

heathen

08-25-2007, 05:56 PM

JD1974

08-25-2007, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

Dumbest thing in the world ? Jason very smart ?

Not quite. Killing his wife was not smart and ranks at the top of the dumb meter.

jmp

Wow you are right, he is so dumb and left so many clues that he is sitting in jail awaiting trial as we speak, right? IMO

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by heathen

I don't know! Miraculous, to me, is when it occurs w/in a short enough time frame that only a few saw the original & the didn'tdoit's weren't fast enough to catch the original article, tell you you are a liar and refuse to accept that it was what it was.

Yes, and quite a few people weren't "fast enough" to catch the original unedited version of the 911 call.

heathen

08-25-2007, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by JD1974

MM was married also, do you really think her husband would care who initiated it, or do you think he would care more that it happened period? I think she was hiding the affair just as much as Jason was. IMO

You're probably right about MM hiding it as much as JY. I've heard that some women like to hang onto mementos of relationships past and present. Maybe MM hung onto phone convos as "mementos"? Maybe there were promises made?

One of these days, I hope we get answers to all our questions.

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by heathen

Do you think LE is holding out on us?

"We don't want to say things that might interfere with a fair trial of someone who might be charged at some later point," said District Attorney Colon Willoughby. (FoxNews, January 25, 2007)

heathen

08-25-2007, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Yes, and quite a few people weren't "fast enough" to catch the original unedited version of the 911 call.

The "daddy did it" version? Do you think they do that on purpose?

JD1974

08-25-2007, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by heathen

I don't know! Miraculous, to me, is when it occurs w/in a short enough time frame that only a few saw the original & the didn'tdoit's weren't fast enough to catch the original article, tell you you are a liar and refuse to accept that it was what it was.

I think it is more miraculous to me that a newspaper changed it from an affair to a relationship, if it was an affair. They do not have to issue a retraction for the truth, do they? IMO

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by purple

What we do know is that there was something significant in the relationship between MM and Jason for the police to obtain search warrants for her home and belongings. We don't know of any more of Jason's friends having to submit to such a personal invasion because of having a non-romantic relationship with him.

It's my understanding that JY and MM have known each other since their college days at NCSU. Maybe the two of them were having a temporary relationship to reminisce those days?

Dida

08-25-2007, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by JD1974

I think it is more miraculous to me that a newspaper changed it from an affair to a relationship, if it was an affair. They do not have to issue a retraction for the truth, do they? IMO

They didn't issue a retraction; they changed a word. After someone complained, imo.

JD1974

08-25-2007, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by purple

What we do know is that there was something significant in the relationship between MM and Jason for the police to obtain search warrants for her home and belongings. We don't know of any more of Jason's friends having to submit to such a personal invasion because of having a non-romantic relationship with him.

Yeah let's talk about s/w's. Where are the ones from the friends and family members who had to submit DNA and fingerprints to establish if there were any strange samples left in the house? Did everyone co-operate or are there some s/w that are sealed? IMO

Dida

08-25-2007, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

If you listen to the gaggle they do. IMO

"Gaggle" - what an interesting word. Not too many people use it these days. Who exactly is the gaggle?

heathen

08-25-2007, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

"We don't want to say things that might interfere with a fair trial of someone who might be charged at some later point," said District Attorney Colon Willoughby. (FoxNews, January 25, 2007)

Hah! I knew there was a quote somewhere out there that answered my question! Thank you!

purple answered to the same question: Other than withholding all sorts of details about evidence collected, I don't think they're withholding any information about the "romantic relationship" between MM and Jason. They made that pretty clear at the beginning. The police have airplane tickets and baggage claims, computers, phones, MM's computer and a whole bunch of other stuff. When they called it a "romantic relationship", they weren't holding anything back. Maybe no one saw them kissing, but that is no reason to conclude that their secret friendship was platonic.

I don't think they are, either. Some believe in a "god" without ever seeing, others have blind faith in different aspects of their lives. I was actually happy to see Mother Theresa had questioned her faith. That makes her more human.

Does Jason have blind faith that LE will solve this case w/out his assistance? Does he believe answering even the most mundane of questions is a set-up to arrest him as the murderer of his beautiful wife and unborn child?

I hope against hope that he isn't the one that did this, but I believe he did. I hope I'm proven wrong - for Cassidy's sake.

JD1974

08-25-2007, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by Dida

They didn't issue a retraction; they changed a word. After someone complained, imo.

So what, someone complained...if they are in the right they don't have to change anything. How many other people in the world that get busted doing something don't like the fact that it is published in a newspaper, do they all get their stories changed because they whined? IMO

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by heathen

The "daddy did it" version? Do you think they do that on purpose?

Who is "they" ?

I think the edited version made public might not have been edited/snipped or clipped well enough to prevent some people from hearing the "daddy did it" portion of the unedited original version.

Dida

08-25-2007, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by JD1974

So what, someone complained...if they are in the right they don't have to change anything. How many other people in the world that get busted doing something don't like the fact that it is published in a newspaper, do they all get their stories changed because they whined? IMO

See purple's response upthread.

JD1974

08-25-2007, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Dida

See purple's response upthread.

I seen it, didn't answer my question though. I remember the newspaper printing something to the effect of the relationship was self explanatory, well if so then why not keep affair in? Because someone whined? Also if you read through the stories you will see the newspapers are hardly neutral in this case. IMO

Dida

08-25-2007, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

You don't know what gaggle means? You must not be very old. A gaggle is any group of persons or things.

I know what it means, although I have usually heard it associated with geese. My question was, who is the gaggle HERE that you referred to?

And I find it interesting that you chose that word. That's all.

jmo

heathen

08-25-2007, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Grace1967

Example: It is a teachers job to educate my child, as a parent it is my job to help the teacher educate my child to help my child that I love dearly. Sometimes it takes more than the professionals kwim?

What a most excellent analogy! Thank you for putting it in term that "most" should be able to comprehend.

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

nearly 10 months and no arrest. That paper trail must be more solid than you think.

A paper trail is easy enough to create.

The "pieces of paper" sometimes don't change the other facts.

Feel free to keep your focus on those papers. They sometimes create a very accurate "road map" to the destination of justice.

Dida

08-25-2007, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

I think Jason's lawyers believe LE are quite capable of setting Jason up for an arrest. He saw the Duke case upclose. I bet he also knows that answers to mundane questions will NOT help solve the case.

:santa:

IIRC, the attorneys for the Duke lacrosse players said publicly, more than once, that they had tried to bring their clients in to the DA's office to provide proof of their clients' alibis/innocence. jmo

heathen

08-25-2007, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

Who is "they" ?

I think the edited version made public might not have been edited/snipped or clipped well enough to prevent some people from hearing the "daddy did it" portion of the unedited original version.

"they" are not part of the "collective 'we'".

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by purple

It was a "romantic relationship" on May 6:

"Investigators have also said he had been involved in a romantic relationship with Michelle Money, a married Florida woman who graduated from N.C. State University around the same time as the Youngs."

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/571385.html

Could it be that the newsobserver is not as easily intimidated as the raleigh chronicle?

IIRC, I've also seen "friendship" and "acquaintance" in print ... somewhere.

I think an average person might also refer to friendship, acquaintance, affair, or relationship as having been an "extramarital relationship"?

I haven't seen that one in print, yet.

Dida

08-25-2007, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

indeed, their clients had already been arrested. I guess you missed that part. The clients were already railroaded. Jason hasn't been arrested, has he?

I didn't miss any of that case. Neither did the WCSO, I am sure. I think that's one of the reasons they are being so circumspect in this one. jmo

heathen

08-25-2007, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

A paper trail is easy enough to create.

The "pieces of paper" sometimes don't change the other facts.

Feel free to keep your focus on those papers. They sometimes create a very accurate "road map" to the destination of justice.

re:the paper trail... Do you think it possible Jason went dumpster diving for some receipts to prove he was elsewhere while the crime was happening? I've wondered if he stopped at a store close to where he was supposed to be staying & picked up some receipts to add to his alibi.

WonderingInSC

08-25-2007, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

Do you know for a fact that Jason was first asked to voluntarily supply those items and he refused?

I've never heard LE say he's refused to cooperate overall, they've just said he's refused to TALK to them.

Wrong again. Here is the link from WRAL, January, 2007 to the LE stating that Jason will not cooperate OR talk to them. Nothing has changed.
http://wral.com/news/local/story/1133617/

The court document also stated that Jason Young isn't cooperating with investigators. Search warrants returned in the case last month said he was having a relationship with a woman in Florida, a sorority sister of Michelle Young at North Carolina State University, for three months prior to his wife's death.

"If he was cooperative with us and talked to us, it would certainly help us," Harrison said, adding that no one has been ruled out as a suspect in the case.

Dida

08-25-2007, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

Am I reading this correctly ?

This coming from you who writes disgusting things about the mother and sister of the victim on another board ?

I'm simply amazed .

MOO.............Aggie

Hi, Aggie. Never mind "another" board. jmo

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

sure, a paper trail is easy enough to create. That's why police have to validate every piece. I also agree it created a road map for LE. Once they validated the information, they turned a different direction.

I don't believe LE's road map turned in a different direction, but I think that's why the perp created the paper trail so the focus would not be on him.

A paper trail and validating every piece creates a large territory and many miles of a complex case. IIRC, the invesigation has taken them to 3 different states? Many pieces (of paper) to the puzzle and lots of mileage too.

WonderingInSC

08-25-2007, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by agathachristie

I feel so sorry for MM .

She has been dragged into this whole sordid story .

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She is not the murderer .

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Originally posted by willow_1

Thank you
MM has about as much to do with this murder as I do,and that is nothing. To have her life exposed to the point where people are tracking her like stalkers ,isn't humane.IMO

You all are right, but she might be part of JY's MO to kill his wife. Maybe he thought he could end up with MM if he "got rid" of Michelle and the baby. It does take two to tango. I am sure MM has repented many times. It is odd that people are looking into her personal life now. It seems she is moving on... good for her. JMO

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

nearly 10 months and no arrest. That paper trail must be more solid than you think.

Once again, I'll say that I don't believe a "paper trail" is going to prevent an arrest.

Jason Lynn Young remains silent and in seclusion and his attorney, Roger Smith, Jr., continues to decline comments. That paper trail must not be very solid. IMO.

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by heathen

re:the paper trail... Do you think it possible Jason went dumpster diving for some receipts to prove he was elsewhere while the crime was happening? I've wondered if he stopped at a store close to where he was supposed to be staying & picked up some receipts to add to his alibi.

No, I don't believe Jason went dumpster diving.

I think he's been in the habit of saving, collecting, and creating, many receipts, as travelling salesmen often do, in an effort to pad their expense accounts for reimbursement by their employer.

Dida

08-25-2007, 07:26 PM

Originally posted by purple
I'm listening to that tape again and there are edit points where the phone number was not included ... and I also think there is an edit point when Michelle's daughter talks about what happened.

That 911 guy just floors me every time I listen to it. He's heard several times that Michelle is probably dead yet he wants Meredith to roll her over and give CPR.

I hope the 911 guy has "left to pursue other opportunities."

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by willow_1

Thank you
MM has about as much to do with this murder as I do,and that is nothing. To have her life exposed to the point where people are tracking her like stalkers ,isn't humane.IMO

I agree. And, the same should apply to Meredith Fisher.

Dida

08-25-2007, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints

I agree. And, the same should apply to Meredith Fisher.

:beer: Me too.

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Dida

I hope the 911 guy has "left to pursue other opportunities."

It may have been his first week on the new job. Or, he may have been relieving the regular dispatcher who was out to lunch at 1:30pm?

His testimony at time of trial should be interesting. IMO.

annalyzer

08-25-2007, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by purple

No kidding. I understand needing to ask for her name several times because it keeps her focused, but the rest of it doesn't make much sense.

It's not his fault Meredith can't make up her mind whether or not her sister is dead.

Lindsey

08-25-2007, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by WonderingInSC

You all are right, but she might be part of JY's MO to kill his wife. Maybe he thought he could end up with MM if he "got rid" of Michelle and the baby.
(snip) JMO

In your theory, what were they gonna do with MM's husband? Remember him?

Lindsey

08-25-2007, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by purple

I think we've already established that Meredith is not a screamer when she's in shock.

It hasn't been "established" that MF was in shock, IMO.
That is the opinion of some, granted, but not "established".

Lindsey

08-25-2007, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

Do I really think ? Listen to the friggin recording willow.It is what it is. You have no idea what she said to WCSO a few seconds later when the tape stopped.

Do you know what she said to WSCO a few seconds later when the tape stopped, or are you just guessing?

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by Lindsey

Do you know what she said to WSCO a few seconds later when the tape stopped, or are you just guessing?

Do you know if Michelle was on her computer after midnight or, are you just guessing and garnishing it with your "good reason to believe"??

heathen

08-25-2007, 08:01 PM

I just had a lightbulb moment reading some of these posts. Is it possible that Jason Lynn Young hated all the women in his life SO MUCH that he murdered Michelle?

Michelle (wife) - bludgeoned to death

Michelle (lover) - outed as unfaithful to her husband

Mom - devastated at the thought that her son could be a murderer

Meredith - put in the most precarious of positions - finding her sister's lifeless body because her BIL wanted a "favor"

Cassidy - unbeknownst to her at this time, she probably knows what "daddy did"

Sisters - stuck on stupid because he's the "only brother"... (or are they?)

WoW!

tiny paw-prints

08-25-2007, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

He isn't in seclusion. You can repeat it a million times--and I'm sure you will--but it isn't going to make it true.

:rolleyes:

If he's not in seclusion, then he must be talking to someone.

You can repeat that someone dipped those little socks in blood, but it isn't going to make it come true.

Kat4Eagles

08-25-2007, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Lindsey

In your theory, what were they gonna do with MM's husband? Remember him?

Now, Lindsey, don't go getting all practical, logical and technical....

That plan is still in the early stages, it might need a little work.

Now there is another 911 call that has been kept secret and underwraps, and "for sure" Jason's daughter accuses her Daddy on it..

And yet, even with that, there is no arrest.

And, yet, even with that, L E has no immediate concerns for her safety...

They just turned her over to him,has let her been in the custody of the cold~blooded killer who murdered her Mom for almost 10 long months...

Just choosing to look the other way in case anthing happens.

Because they could never be faulted for making a bad judgement call.

Because after all, if his daughter accuses him of murder on a tape, she would not be a witness or in any danger whatsoever.

Reminds me of the 911 call where the sister, without checking any of the premises, makes the decision that they are safe..

Exactly the same logic.

JMO

Kat

singaporesling

08-25-2007, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

Aggie

Try this link. Toward the end when the phone is ringing to the WCSO , you can clearly hear "Daddy did it" and then MF says "ok".

http://html.wral.com/news/local/audio/1119462/

Thanks for the link. I can hear "daddydedit". It is all run together and then I can hear her say .....boo boos everywhere.

Everytime I listen to it it brings me to tears to hear the shock in Meredith's voice. This is not a "flat" reaction.

When Meredith said, "She's not supposed to be at home, she's supposed to be at work", I wonder if that info came from the only husband in his message to her in the morning about picking up the fax. I would think that the night before with GA present, the three might have talked about their plans for the next day. Maybe Michelle mentioned where she was going--dr, whatever, in front of JY and GA. That would be a great piece of evidence against him if he did indeed tell Meredith that Michelle was at work.

catjoed

08-25-2007, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by purple

No kidding. I understand needing to ask for her name several times because it keeps her focused, but the rest of it doesn't make much sense.

It's SOP. The sister was hesitant to even check for vitals... he needed more info to possibly relay to EMS and detectives.

When you operate a CAD operated system of dispatching, you follow instructions spelled out in SOP.

I've experienced hesitant witnesses of whom I've HAD to make them do CPR.. some lived, some didn't. But the dispatcher was trying his best to have her help her sister if at all possible. The sister was hesitant.. he did his job.

In my experience

JMO

Apoc

08-25-2007, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by Fireflies

sure, a paper trail is easy enough to create. That's why police have to validate every piece. I also agree it created a road map for LE. Once they validated the information, they turned a different direction.

If that is the case, JY should have no problem speaking to LE now, ya know, since his info has been validated and all:rolleyes:

Dida

08-25-2007, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

<snip>

Reminds me of the 911 call where the sister, without checking any of the premises, makes the decision that they are safe..

Exactly the same logic.

JMO

Kat

Kat, do you think it might be possible, just possible, that safety was not on her mind? She arrives at the house on an errand, sees a situation that might, just might, have been an accident, and makes a 911 call. Why would she think of safety?

jmo

Leanne Weich

08-25-2007, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by singaporesling

I am basing my opinion of copyright from the info on Greta. I think copyright means from a professional photographer who would mark the back of the photos as such.
The Kesse family is horrified that their daughter's picture is being used by a porn site. They have no recourse to stop her picture from being used and I am sure that whoever took the photo would not agree to their using it.

IIRC, Robert Cooke had the same problem with his daughter, Rachel's photos being used on porn sites. He fought one hell of a battle with help from some posters writing to the owners of the porn sites until the photos were removed. It is and was disgusting.

Leanne Weich

08-25-2007, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by ReedJ

Please stop trying to insult our intelligence.

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The only thing insulting on this thread is your continual attempt to portray men as these poor misunderstood weaklings who are continually incorrectly maligned and railroaded by hateful women and corrupt DAs, LEOs and judges.

Thank goodness the vast majority of men are not as insecure and pathetic as you are.

singaporesling

08-25-2007, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by purple

Wow. So the husband was having a relationship with a woman outside his marriage. At least we agree on that much. The fact that it was "romantic", according to investigators in May, must present some problems for Jason. I suppose he would appreciate it if places like CourtTV boards tried to minimize the seriousness of that "romantic relationship".

It's rather sad that the focus of JY and his supporters are so concerned whether people read whether his relationship with MM was an affair or not when poor Michelle has been dead for almost 10 months and the only husband has done nothing to honor her memory or help find the person responsible for destroying her life.