Michelle YOUNG 8/24 -> 8/27

[Apoc]

Originally posted by Fireflies


I'm hoping the socks were dipped in blood because the only other way that blood got on them is her wearing them and stepping in it and I hope MF didn't subject her to such a horrible experience. JMO.

What a horrible thing to say about MF. You must be a very cold and mean person.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Fireflies


Wow! I think you should get a reading from Dr. N Buster!


Hi Fire.
I was going to suggest they submit it to Dr. Bluster for a free online analysis.

Jason hates all women, even his daughter now?

Fire, do you think the state will call Dr. Bluster to the stand?
:)
JMO
Kat

[heathen]

Originally posted by Apoc


What a horrible thing to say about MF. You must be a very cold and mean person.

Do you ever get the feeling s/he's related to the murderer? I only see what's quoted, but I must say, some of the things that fly from his/her "wing-tips" astound me (and scare me, because knowing there are people out there that actually think some of these outrageous things, or support a potential murderer unconditionally - quite frankly, that's reason enough to become a recluse!)

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles



(snipped)

Jason hates all women, even his daughter now?



I don't think he hates all women, until he's done using them to his selfish benefit. I think it's possible that he's using Cassie as some kinda prop to shield him from appearing "abnormal" to any personal or outside observers of his immediate environment (whereever that happens to be).

A genuine loving and caring father would Not murder their child's mother. The child in this case is fragile and at Risk. IMO.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Dida


Kat, do you think it might be possible, just possible, that safety was not on her mind? She arrives at the house on an errand, sees a situation that might, just might, have been an accident, and makes a 911 call. Why would she think of safety?

jmo

I wish that were true, but now that I have seen pics of the home, interior and exterior, with both staircases, and the number of hiding places , it just not seems possible..

There are not enough hours in the day to try and reconcile the 911 call with what the only sister actually saw.

Nothing makes sense, not the way the scene was described by the arriving officers.

When they walked in, did any of them think Michelle had fell?

I wonder if any of them drew their guns, and checked and secured the premises after seeing what happened.??

No one had any way of knowing who was in the home, did they?

This was not a home you could walk through and access the safety situation in seconds...

It had levels,a bonus room, garage, and a deck.....

All of those areas would have made a perfect hiding spot for someone to stay there after the killing, if they so chose.

JMO
Kat

[Apoc]

Originally posted by heathen


Do you ever get the feeling s/he's related to the murderer? I only see what's quoted, but I must say, some of the things that fly from his/her "wing-tips" astound me (and scare me, because knowing there are people out there that actually think some of these outrageous things, or support a potential murderer unconditionally - quite frankly, that's reason enough to become a recluse!)

No. She has been around a LONG time under different nics as she is banned frequently. It is scary though, such venom is dangerous, if not to others, to oneself.

People like her like to take the opposite road for no other reason than to bait and insult posters for her own satisfaction. This poster is someone very unhappy in their own life and uses the anonomitity of a message board to vent their own unhappiness and anger onto others. Fortunately, there are some legitimate folks out there who believe JY is innocent and are here just to discuss the facts about the case and not insult and degrade ever poster who does not agree with them.

The insinusation about MF being involved is very far fetched, but this poster knows it gets the board in a uproar and continues to post for effect.

Ignore is all you can do until she is banned again, but I promise, she will return and she is always easy to recognize.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


<snipped>

A genuine loving and caring father would Not murder their child's mother. The child in this case is fragile and at Risk. IMO.

Your conclusion, but not L E's....

I agree that the daughter should be the most important part to be focused on right now, but not because of anything she witnessed, or anything that her Daddy did..

Some of us have gone to great lengths to try and protect her even on a Message Board , by not using her name....

:(
JMO
Kat

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Fireflies


I'm hoping the socks were dipped in blood because the only other way that blood got on them is her wearing them and stepping in it and I hope MF didn't subject her to such a horrible experience. JMO.

Wet blood. Dry blood.

An approx 4x2" piece of fabric on the sole of a toddler's Sock soaked with evidence of dry blood over the course of an hour or so, would not necessarily track the dry blood from the MBR and down the hallway, to the other bathroom.

Were the socks still Wet with blood when they were found in the bathroom?

Was the bedspread and sheets covered with Wet blood or dry blood?

IIRC, the autopsy report indicates that a single strand of hair was found in the victim's hand, stuck in dry blood ?

[heathen]

Originally posted by Apoc


No. She has been around a LONG time under different nics as she is banned frequently. It is scary though, such venom is dangerous, if not to others, to oneself.

People like her like to take the opposite road for no other reason than to bait and insult posters for her own satisfaction. This poster is someone very unhappy in their own life and uses the anonomitity of a message board to vent their own unhappiness and anger onto others. Fortunately, there are some legitimate folks out there who believe JY is innocent and are here just to discuss the facts about the case and not insult and degrade ever poster who does not agree with them.

The insinusation about MF being involved is very far fetched, but this poster knows it gets the board in a uproar and continues to post for effect.

Ignore is all you can do until she is banned again, but I promise, she will return and she is always easy to recognize.

Ignore is my friend. Reincarnations are a fact of board discussions, and you're right, easy to see what's what & who's who when people return. Heck, after a couple years I got smited for no apparent reason, but that's how it goes sometimes.

What I wonder is, when all the facts are in, and an arrest is made, ... oh never mind, I remember what happens next on these boards. For anyone new to following murder cases, you might want to google up women who love men on death row, or in prison. I'm sure any link I post will end up as *********. Ya think pre-arrest discussion is bad - just wait!

Meanwhile, anyone know how that house sale is going?

[Apoc]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Oh but it's ok to call Jason a murderer and say he was having an affair when there is no evidence to back either claim and then flat out make up crap about him and his family.

Talk about cold and mean.


sheesh

Posting on a message board that MF dipped her two year old neices socks in blood to cover up a crime is on the opposite end of the spectrum from repeating an affair that LE announced and made public.

sheesh yourself.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Wet blood. Dry blood.

An approx 4x2" piece of fabric on the sole of a toddler's Sock soaked with evidence of dry blood over the course of an hour or so, would not necessarily track the dry blood from the MBR and down the hallway, to the other bathroom.

Were the socks still Wet with blood when they were found in the bathroom?

Was the bedspread and sheets covered with Wet blood or dry blood?

IIRC, the autopsy report indicates that a single strand of hair was found in the victim's hand, stuck in dry blood ?


From the AR:

Examination of the hands shows a single hair stuck in blood on the left hand.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


(snipped)

Some of us have gone to great lengths to try and protect her even on a Message Board , by not using her name....



The child's father should have gone to great lengths of controlling himself to not have had an extramarital fling with this wife's best friend, or murder his child's mother. He choose to challenge the risk of not getting caught. IMO.

Do you think he'll attend any football games and challenge the risk of being seen or approached for questions?

[Apoc]

Originally posted by heathen


Ignore is my friend. Reincarnations are a fact of board discussions, and you're right, easy to see what's what & who's who when people return. Heck, after a couple years I got smited for no apparent reason, but that's how it goes sometimes.

What I wonder is, when all the facts are in, and an arrest is made, ... oh never mind, I remember what happens next on these boards. For anyone new to following murder cases, you might want to google up women who love men on death row, or in prison. I'm sure any link I post will end up as *********. Ya think pre-arrest discussion is bad - just wait!

Meanwhile, anyone know how that house sale is going?

I have heard nothing about it lately. I imagine its still sitting like most homes are doing these days with the declining market, add to that a murder in the home and I am sure its not going to sell too quickly.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Lindsey



From the AR:

Examination of the hands shows a single hair stuck in blood on the left hand.

Thanks, Lindsey!

The TOD is between midnight and 6am.

The victim's body was found at 1:30pm and it was transported to ME the following day?

How long does a victim's body bleed out?

How long do you think it would take for wet blood to dry?

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by agathachristie



Oh man, you are a tough nut to crack !

Trust me . That poor girl was in shock .

I'm mystified that you could be so cold hearted as to not realize that .

Think what you will . You are far more cold hearted than myself.

And many others on this board.


MOO................Aggie


Think what you will. It's only your opinion. People who know me know that I am nowhere near being cold hearted.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by willow_1


Lindsey,Why some can't understand that there was bloody footprints all over the bedroom and bloody foot prints in the bathroom and none in between is beyond me. Now some have admitted they don't think C can fly ,but other than that there has been no explanation. It is much easier for them to keep repeating the same old same old .IMO

Yep, they can type it with their eyes shut and one hand tied behind their backs.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by willow_1


Lindsey,Why some can't understand that there was bloody footprints all over the bedroom and bloody foot prints in the bathroom and none in between is beyond me. Now some have admitted they don't think C can fly ,but other than that there has been no explanation. It is much easier for them to keep repeating the same old same old .IMO

If the bathroom is in the MBR, and the MBR had bloody footprints all over it, wouldn' the MBR itself be the area between it and the bathroom?

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Thanks, Lindsey!

The TOD is between midnight and 6am.

The victim's body was found at 1:30pm and it was transported to ME the following day?

How long does a victim's body bleed out?

How long do you think it would take for wet blood to dry?

Michelle's body was found approx 1:30 pm Nov 3
Autopsy began at 11:30 am Nov 4.
All the blood on her body would be dry by then.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by heathen


(snipped)

Meanwhile, anyone know how that house sale is going?

Just like the silent spouse, I bet the house remains vacant and very quiet.

From Jan 25, 2007 FoxNews.com:

"You can't help but look at the house every time you drive by," said Jim Tate, who lives down the street. "You can't help but think what that family is going through."

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by willow_1


Lindsey,Why some can't understand that there was bloody footprints all over the bedroom and bloody foot prints in the bathroom and none in between is beyond me. Now some have admitted they don't think C can fly ,but other than that there has been no explanation. It is much easier for them to keep repeating the same old same old .IMO

Not Lin, as you can see, but this is just one of so many things.

There is one part on the call, I swear she calls "C" her daughter too, and then quickly corrects herself.

You know, her phone records have been seized also, I hope.

In what order was everyone notified?

Michelle's Mom?
Michelle's Dad?
Did she call Jason right away?

I am curious as in what order calls were placed,and to whom, naturally assuming the 911 call went out first, of course....
it had to, right?

If the body was found at 1:30, I am having great diffculty understanding why she did not call Jason then too?

Did she reach him,or, leave him a hysterical message?

If so, why have we not heard of that?
If not, the same question.?


JMO
Kat

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


If the bathroom is in the MBR, and the MBR had bloody footprints all over it, wouldn' the MBR itself be the area between it and the bathroom?

It was CY's bathroom across and down the hall that had her bloody footprints, according to what's been posted here. Not in the MBR.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Not Lin, as you can see, but this is just one of so many things.

There is one part on the call, I swear she calls "C" her daughter too, and then quickly corrects herself.

You know, her phone records have been seized also, I hope.

In what order was everyone notified?

Michelle's Mom?
Michelle's Dad?
Did she call Jason right away?

I am curious as in what order calls were placed,and to whom, naturally assuming the 911 call went out first, of course....
it had to, right?

If the body was found at 1:30, I am having great diffculty understanding why she did not call Jason then too?

Did she reach him,or, leave him a hysterical message?

If so, why have we not heard of that?
If not, the same question.?


JMO
Kat

Very good questions, Kat. IIRC, someone here posted awhile back that Linda called Jason's mom and told her Michelle was dead but not that she was murdered. I think that poster said MF called Mrs Young after Linda called her. I don't know if the posts are still here.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Lindsey



Think what you will. It's only your opinion. People who know me know that I am nowhere near being cold hearted.

I think it is just easier to take out all their frustrations of Jason not being arrested on us.

Like it is our fault, L E can not make the case...

JMO
Kat

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


I think it is just easier to take out all their frustrations of Jason not being arrested on us.

Like it is our fault, L E can not make the case...

JMO
Kat

I know you're right. They don't bother me. :)

ygm

[heathen]

Originally posted by agathachristie



You have also gone to great lengths to smear and malign the little girl's auntie .

You have used her auntie's name and nic names and quoted just about anything you could find on the web.

I seriously doubt that you give a whit about the little girl.

She is not your main focus, nor important to you as you claim .

You care only about YOU..................


MOO....................Aggie

Exactly! I was half way through your post & ready to respond that Kat only cares about Kat - it's evident in all the lengthy posts that say nothing about this case. Thank you for quoting that nonsense (yeah i said thanks for quoting her) - it reestablishes, in my mind, why I have her on ignore.

[tiny paw-prints]

During these past 10 months,

I think it's very odd that Jason remains uncooperative and silent.

It's also odd that his attorney, Roger Smith, Jr., continues to decline comments.

And it's also odd that Jason's parents decline to talk about the crime, although they gave Spencer Smith, a long time Young family neighbor, permission to talk about it.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by purple


Maybe the guy that posted the information about bloody footprints missing in the hallway between the bedroom and bathroom could explain it best. There is only one source for the information and it is a friend of the Young family. I don't know why he would make such a comment, but he is the only that can explain it.

I'm not sure that's exactly right. Didn't Scout also post on this board about the absence of little bloody footprints? I think so. Or maybe you think she got her info from that same source you are referring to. I don't know.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Just like the silent spouse, I bet the house remains vacant and very quiet.

From Jan 25, 2007 FoxNews.com:

"You can't help but look at the house every time you drive by," said Jim Tate, who lives down the street. "You can't help but think what that family is going through."

That article is exactly to the day 7 months old.

Can you imagine how the neighbors at E O feel now?

Has anyone ever done a search of the neighborhood for past robberies, crimes, etc, before the murder?

Has anything happened there since?

JMO
Kat

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles
snip~


There is one part on the call, I swear she calls "C" her daughter too, and then quickly corrects herself.



I read that on Scout's blog in her 911 interpretation a while back. I had forgot about it. Why would Meredith call Cassidy her daughter?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Lindsey


It was CY's bathroom across and down the hall that had her bloody footprints, according to what's been posted here. Not in the MBR.

I think Cassidy's socks had dry blood when she walked to her bathroom and while there, she might have taken the socks off to try and wash the dry blood off with Water, which then resulted in bloody prints in her bathroom.

Those socks were not collected as evidence, right?

Those socks and blood prints in her bathroom is Rumor, right?

Did they take measurements of Cassidy's foot?

[lilismom]

Originally posted by catjoed


It's SOP. The sister was hesitant to even check for vitals... he needed more info to possibly relay to EMS and detectives.

When you operate a CAD operated system of dispatching, you follow instructions spelled out in SOP.

I've experienced hesitant witnesses of whom I've HAD to make them do CPR.. some lived, some didn't. But the dispatcher was trying his best to have her help her sister if at all possible. The sister was hesitant.. he did his job.

In my experience

JMO

Maybe its just me but I would be hesitant to touch my bloody, beaten, unresponsive sister too. You can hear that she has to stop a second and gather herself together before she does it. She's not a medical professional is she? I don't expect an instant reaction to check for vitals and turn her over and whatever else a trained professional would do. This is her sister. I don't see anything wrong with her hesitating.

IMO,
Lilismom

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Dida


Kat, do you think it might be possible, just possible, that safety was not on her mind? She arrives at the house on an errand, sees a situation that might, just might, have been an accident, and makes a 911 call. Why would she think of safety?

jmo


Especially when her little neice was unharmed. Well, physically anyway.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Apoc]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

OMG how horrid that someone speculated about the Only Sister.

LE did not announce any affair.


sheesh

Okay, just for you........"a relationship" with a florida woman. LE seized her computer.........sounds like an affair to me unless they were trading recipes?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Lindsey


Very good questions, Kat. IIRC, someone here posted awhile back that Linda called Jason's mom and told her Michelle was dead but not that she was murdered. I think that poster said MF called Mrs Young after Linda called her. I don't know if the posts are still here.

But the 911 call would naturally be first, right?
Before anyone else would be notified, right?

I mean, if she called someone else first, they wouldn't have to be the ones to tell her she needed to call 911, right?

So, when her phone records are released, at some point,
" we "can see who was called and at what time...

Does anyone think it would be strange if "we" were to find out, that the 911 call did not come first, but maybe after another call?

Because that would mean she definately knew Michelle was
dead , and did not need help, and when she told the operator she thought Michelle was dead, she already knew it as fact.

JMO

Kat

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Fireflies


I'm hoping the socks were dipped in blood because the only other way that blood got on them is her wearing them and stepping in it and I hope MF didn't subject her to such a horrible experience. JMO.


Why though? I asked you this the other day and you never answered. Why? Why would MF have to dip the socks in blood and put them on her feet and make her walk around in them? Why?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Apoc]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

What's odd is that posters on this board proclaim to know about all these mountains of evidence that show Jason to be guilty but the DA can't muster up enough to present to a GJ.

Its no different that your claims about MF. He may be innocent, but his behavior makes me think he knows something or did it himself. No real man hides and refuse to speak to LE when his wife is murdered in the presence of his only child.......well, the only child he let live.

JMO.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Lindsey


It was CY's bathroom across and down the hall that had her bloody footprints, according to what's been posted here. Not in the MBR.

Lots of things are posted here. What is fact and what is merely rumor is the big question.

IMO

[lilismom]

Originally posted by annalyzer


It's not his fault Meredith can't make up her mind whether or not her sister is dead.


Why because she says "I think my sister is dead".

Ya gotta give her some credit for trying to deal with what she's seeing while on the phone and with a toddler present. And not just any toddler, the victim's daughter. Maybe if she was alone and making the call she could have better assessed what she was seeing.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Apoc]

Originally posted by purple


Sheesh, every time someone pretends that it wasn't a romantic relationship, I'll refer to this quote from May 6, 2007.

"Investigators have also said he had been involved in a romantic relationship with Michelle Money, a married Florida woman who graduated from N.C. State University around the same time as the Youngs."

Why should we doubt what investigators have said? Saying that they didn't say it doesn't make it true.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/571385.html

Thank you Purple for having the energy to dig these links up for these folks. Seems they have some reading comprehension problems.

[Apoc]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Never heard of anyone having an affair via a computer.

oh, it's not 'just for me'....LE isn't calling it an affair and the media won't either.

Guess they know better than to lie, eh?

Purple provided the link again. Read it s-l-o-w-l-y.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

What's odd is that posters on this board proclaim to know about all these mountains of evidence that show Jason to be guilty but the DA can't muster up enough to present to a GJ.

Yep, he can't even mustard up enough to get that ham sandwich,

Booooooo, I know!!!

K, I am out of here going to a midnite movie.

C ya tomorrow!!

:)
Kat

[Apoc]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

The Only Sister describes the place as not looking like it normally does and blood everywhere.

The investigators call it the most gruesome and bloodiest crime scene they have ever seen.

Such disparity.

Shock my friend.

She has been a visable figure since her sisters murder, unlike MY's cowardly husband.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Fireflies


how did she leave prints on ceramic tile if her socks were dry? They are very vivid, solid prints. Her socks had to be wet to make the prints I've seen in a photograph. Dry blood would still have left particles on the carpet. You can't have it both ways.
:shrug:

I've already theorized how the prints might have appeared in her bathroom, upthread.

Didn't your informant tell you that there might have been tiny particles of dry blood on the carpet, but No prints?

A closeup photo with a zoom lense on the camera might have helped your informant.

Meanwhile, the toddler's bloody socks and prints in her bathroom and the No tracking prints of blood from the MBR to CY's bathroom, is Rumor. Right?

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


But the 911 call would naturally be first, right?
Before anyone else would be notified, right?

I mean, if she called someone else first, they wouldn't have to be the ones to tell her she needed to call 911, right?

So, when her phone records are released, at some point,
" we "can see who was called and at what time...

Does anyone think it would be strange if "we" were to find out, that the 911 call did not come first, but maybe after another call?

Because that would mean she definately knew Michelle was
dead , and did not need help, and when she told the operator she thought Michelle was dead, she already knew it as fact.

JMO

Kat

Who did she call then?

If she killed her sister and went back to the house to retrieve the fax/printout, which I don't know why she would, wouldn't her first call be to 911 in order to frame the husband and take the suspicion off herself since, lucky her, she was sent there on a "fluke"? Why wouldn't she go in, retrieve the document, put Cassidy in her room and call JY and tell him "I got the document, everythings cool, see ya". Couldn't she then act like nothing was amiss when she went there? Michelle was supposed to be at work after all.

Which brings us back to, why would she go back to the house then? Why would she be the one to find her dead sister who she already knew was dead? Wouldn't she stay as far away from that house as possible?

Who then did she call first if not LE?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Apoc]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

No amount of reading is going to make the word 'affair' appear.

LE wouldn't even tell a judge there was an affair when they swore out a warrant.

Perhaps those of you calling it what it isn't should follow their lead.

FWIW, his relationship with MM has no bearing on my position. Its his behavior since his wife's murder that has me questioning him. If he didn't do this, he may have clues to who did. LE doesn't know their personal life, only MY and JY, and only JY is left to talk to LE, but refuses.

[Apoc]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Shock my arse.

Oh, so now it's cowardly to stay out of the media.

He has a right to his privacy and he has the right to expect it.

I didn't say anything about the media, I said LE. He should talk with them. His not talking to them is a huge red flag.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by purple


There is a bathroom in the master bedroom, but there was a suggestion that there was blood footprints in the MB, not in the hall, and then again in the other bedroom. Maybe the blood in the other bedroom is from the socks - socks with dried blood. Maybe her daughter sat with her so long that her socks dried before she took them off in her bedroom.

If Cassidy had stepped in her mother's blood but one time, and walked around the room, she would have created bloody footprints wherever she walked. Eventually, if CY never stepped in blood again, the rug would have acted like a blotter each time she stepped into a dry area, depositing a lighter print until the blood on her socks had dried, at which time no more bloody prints would be deposited wherever she stepped.

If the bathroom floor was wet with water, CY would have made bloody footprints again if she stepped into the water on the bathroom floor and it touched the dried bloody socks.

This is one scenario if, in fact, the rumor is true.

IMO

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

The Only Sister describes the place as not looking like it normally does and blood everywhere.

The investigators call it the most gruesome and bloodiest crime scene they have ever seen.

Such disparity.


I think a big to do is being made about each of their descriptions.

She says the place doesn't look like it normally does and they say its the worst they've seen. I think both sides were speaking out of shock and with raw emotion. She can't believe what she's seeing and they're pissed off. Knowing that little girl was left alone to wander in her mother's blood is enough to knock ya speechless and get your blood boiling. Think they just went a little overboard with the description maybe? I'm not saying that it wasn't a bloody, gruesome scene. But the worst they'd seen?

Maybe I'm forgetting where they are. Maybe this IS the worst they've seen for where they are.

Maybe I need to go to bed now :)

IMO,
Lilismom

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Lots of things are posted here. What is fact and what is merely rumor is the big question.

IMO

You were confused about which bathroom was being discussed. According to your post, you thought it was the master bath. I said it wasn't the master bath, it was CY's bath down and across the hall that was being discussed.

Hope this helps.

[singaporesling]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


If Cassidy had stepped in her mother's blood but one time, and walked around the room, she would have created bloody footprints wherever she walked. Eventually, if CY never stepped in blood again, the rug would have acted like a blotter each time she stepped into a dry area, depositing a lighter print until the blood on her socks had dried, at which time no more bloody prints would be deposited wherever she stepped.

If the bathroom floor was wet with water, CY would have made bloody footprints again if she stepped into the water on the bathroom floor and it touched the dried bloody socks.

This is one scenario if, in fact, the rumor is true.

IMO

Paula,

That is a very reasonable and believeable scenario. Of course we will continue to hear that there is no explanation for the lack of footprints. Great thinking!

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Hey Paula


If Cassidy had stepped in her mother's blood but one time, and walked around the room, she would have created bloody footprints wherever she walked. Eventually, if CY never stepped in blood again, the rug would have acted like a blotter each time she stepped into a dry area, depositing a lighter print until the blood on her socks had dried, at which time no more bloody prints would be deposited wherever she stepped.

If the bathroom floor was wet with water, CY would have made bloody footprints again if she stepped into the water on the bathroom floor and it touched the dried bloody socks.

This is one scenario if, in fact, the rumor is true.

IMO

Hey Paula :)

Or, she walked in it again when MF was there and then, and only then, MF carried her to her bathroom. If the rumor is true, of course.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

The Only Sister describes the place as not looking like it normally does and blood everywhere.

The investigators call it the most gruesome and bloodiest crime scene they have ever seen.

Such disparity.

Yep, that's one of the problems I've had with the 911 call, especially after the AR came out. I can't read the AR and listen to the 911 tape and read the description of the most bloody crime scene in 20+ years, without feeling there is something amiss.

IMO

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Sounds like they are describing 2 different scenes.


I agree, it does, although MF does add about there being blood in the bed so its not like she's saying Michelle didn't vacuum. But when I think about the situations they are both in when they see it and then describe it, it makes more sense to me.

IMO,
Lilismom

[QueenBee]

Originally posted by lilismom



I think a big to do is being made about each of their descriptions.

She says the place doesn't look like it normally does and they say its the worst they've seen. I think both sides were speaking out of shock and with raw emotion. She can't believe what she's seeing and they're pissed off. Knowing that little girl was left alone to wander in her mother's blood is enough to knock ya speechless and get your blood boiling. Think they just went a little overboard with the description maybe? I'm not saying that it wasn't a bloody, gruesome scene. But the worst they'd seen?

Maybe I'm forgetting where they are. Maybe this IS the worst they've seen for where they are.

Maybe I need to go to bed now :)

ITA. I would imagine that LE was very distrubed by the fact that someone would do this and leave a small child to fend for themselves.

I was born and raised in Raleigh (not far from EO) and still live here (about 8 miles away) and this is not the kind of thing that happens around here. JMO

IMO,
Lilismom

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles


Yep, he can't even mustard up enough to get that ham sandwich,

Booooooo, I know!!!

K, I am out of here going to a midnite movie.

C ya tomorrow!!

:)
Kat

I love your wit!!! LOL

Enjoy your movie!

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by lilismom


Hey Paula :)

Or, she walked in it again when MF was there and then, and only then, MF carried her to her bathroom. If the rumor is true, of course.

IMO,
Lilismom

Hi Lilismom!:)

Yes, that makes sense. What adult wouldn't carry a child under such conditions.

IMO

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Apoc


Shock my friend.

She has been a visable figure since her sisters murder, unlike MY's cowardly husband.

Visible? Well, yeah, kinda, sorta, in a way. :cool:

[QueenBee]

Sorry for messing up your post Lilismom. I don't post often, so trying to figure it all out.

QB

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Lindsey


Visible? Well, yeah, kinda, sorta, in a way. :cool:

I'm confused as to what exactly you're referring to here. Can you explain it please? Thanks!

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Lindsey


Yep, that's one of the problems I've had with the 911 call, especially after the AR came out. I can't read the AR and listen to the 911 tape and read the description of the most bloody crime scene in 20+ years, without feeling there is something amiss.

IMO




What's the problem though really? If she put herself back in that house after beating her sister to death, why wouldn't she be able to coldly explain to LE what she was seeing? "She's dead, blood on the walls, blood on the floor, blood on the lamp and bed, yep, she's dead". Instead she's breathless and on the verge of tears and only half listening at times.

Doesn't it sound like the words "OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG" were going thru her head? Does to me.

Why wouldn't she do something with CY then so that she could describe to a tee what she was seeing for LE? Let her play in tub or something?

No, she has to try to describe for this man on the phone what the room looks like where her bloody, beaten sister is in front of her daughter.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by lilismom



I agree, it does, although MF does add about there being blood in the bed so its not like she's saying Michelle didn't vacuum. But when I think about the situations they are both in when they see it and then describe it, it makes more sense to me.

IMO,
Lilismom

You think maybe she didn't see the blood spatter on the walls, lamp, etc?

[lilismom]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ALTER EG0
[B]But the Only Sister said the bloody footprints were all over the place.

Snipped.


Has anyone seen pictures of the rest of the house? Are there prints on the kitchen floor? That's "all over the place" too isn't it? Jeez.

Maybe they were "all over the place" where she was at that point in the call. Was she in the MBR at the time?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Barbara2


I'm confused as to what exactly you're referring to here. Can you explain it please? Thanks!

Not intentionally visible, IMO. Maybe a glimpse here and there.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Lindsey


You think maybe she didn't see the blood spatter on the walls, lamp, etc?

Would you have continued on about blood here and there and everywhere in front of your toddler neice when describing her mother?

I don't think a blow by blow description was necessary. He seemed to get the idea.

IMO,
Lilismom

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
And it's all 'splained away by the JDI crowd as 'shock' or something.

But Jason's reaction to the news his pregnant wife was dead is a big fake show. And there's no recording of it like there is of the Only Sister. Go figure.


For the record, I am a JMLDI. Jason Most Likely Did It.

I am open to other persons. And I've heard quite enough about MF, thank you.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Lindsey


You think maybe she didn't see the blood spatter on the walls, lamp, etc?

She may not have. We don't know. It may have been dark in the room if the curtains were closed. She may not have been processing what she was seeing very well. I don't care how strong a person is, coming to a house that you expect to be empty and finding your 2 year old niece wandering around and your sister lying on the floor would shock you. You might not be as competent as arm chair detectives analyzing the situation from a great distance.

Here's an example. This is a 911 call made regarding a 2 year old child who had been left in a car for 8 hours on a day when temperatures reached 100:

“I’m calling 911 right now!” Gorman said. “There’s a little girl that was left in a car, and it was hot. She’s not conscious. I don’t believe she’s conscious.”

The sound of a woman’s screams could be heard in the background.

“There’s a lot of commotion,” Gorman told the 911 operator. “We are with the child. Her mom has her right now in her arms. …

“Is she breathing? No, she’s not conscious. She’s not breathing. Her arms are discolored too,” Gorman said. “One of the teachers here at the school knows CPR. They’re trying to do it right now."

If we were dissecting this call I think we'd have to say, "How could she say, 'I don't believe she's conscious'? How could she not know???"

My guess is because her brain didn't want to accept that the little girl was dead. Just as I would guess that Meredith's brain didn't want to process the fact that Michelle was dead. She did not want to believe it.

That's my guess.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Fireflies


Meredith didn't describe tiny particles of blood, she described bloody footprints all over the house.

Of course the carpet was tested for blood. LE did some things correctly.

:rolleyes:

If she said all over the house that means the whole house to you right? Not just the hallway? If you're taking it that literally I ask you then, were pictures of the rest of the house included in the pictures you saw? Were the prints on the kitchen floor? The powder room downstairs (if there was one)? On the living room floor/carpet? If not, why aren't you upset?

And did she say all over the house? Or did she say, all over the place? All over the place, to me, and probably to anyone who has cleaned up spilled liquids off the coffee table, or throw up from a sick kid in the middle of the night, doesn't really mean all over the house or place.

IMO,
Lilismom

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Well hey, I think it's possble he did it so maybe we can meet half way.

I am open to reasonable possibilities. And I've heard quite enough about Jason, thank you.



Then we should probably both leave huh?

IMO,
Lilismom

[catjoed]

Originally posted by lilismom


Maybe its just me but I would be hesitant to touch my bloody, beaten, unresponsive sister too. You can hear that she has to stop a second and gather herself together before she does it. She's not a medical professional is she? I don't expect an instant reaction to check for vitals and turn her over and whatever else a trained professional would do. This is her sister. I don't see anything wrong with her hesitating.

IMO,
Lilismom

I understand what you are saying, but..It was in EVERYONES best interest to confirm if she had vitals, and the dispatchers job is to try to find out in order to talk a person through CPR if necessary.

All calls are recorded. A professionally trained dispatcher, especially one trained in medical assistance is obligated to try to find out if the victim is alive or not, to assist in CPR information.

It seemed an awfully long time before the dispatcher could convince the sister to check vitals.

The dispatcher used extreme calm in a horrible situation, was able to finally get a confirmation of the condition of the victim. He did a very good job.

JMO and just my experience

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Obviously he didn't get the idea until he asked the Only Sister to turn Michelle over.

I think he did. I think he was just trying to cover all bases. If not, if I were him, I would have been yelling by then, CALM DOWN MEREDITH, YOU HAVE TO TURN HER OVER, I DON'T CARE HOW HEAVY SHE IS. I think he knew. I think she knew. I think she was just too scared to admit it, to herself and to him. She didn't want it to be true. So sad.

IMO,,
Lilismom

[lilismom]

Originally posted by catjoed


I understand what you are saying, but..It was in EVERYONES best interest to confirm if she had vitals, and the dispatchers job is to try to find out in order to talk a person through CPR if necessary.

All calls are recorded. A professionally trained dispatcher, especially one trained in medical assistance is obligated to try to find out if the victim is alive or not, to assist in CPR information.

It seemed an awfully long time before the dispatcher could convince the sister to check vitals.

The dispatcher used extreme calm in a horrible situation, was able to finally get a confirmation of the condition of the victim. He did a very good job.

JMO and just my experience


I wasn't really knocking him. I was just trying to see things from her point of view. Remember too that some of the time, she was trying to get CY out of the room and then to stay out of the room and then to get herself together enough to get close to Michelle. Sad indeed.

IMO,
Lilismom

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Only if it involves getting a beer :D


HA! I can't tell ya the last time I drank beer! And even then, it was a Corona, the not really beer, beer.

Sorry for the off topic post.

Good night folks.

IMO,
Lilismom

[catjoed]

Originally posted by Fireflies


ITA. Your experience is very helpful and reinforces the concerns I have about the call. Thanks.

Any time Fireflies.

I'm taking time off, just because of situations like this.

The dispatcher MUST control the conversation at all times, sometimes pretty tough to do.

:seeya:

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Fireflies


(snipped)

The JDI crowd is doing a lot of projecting, imo.:shrug:

Please let us know the next time you hear of someone dipping a child's pair of socks in blood.

[JHP]

Originally posted by Fireflies


I'm not so sure the family knew for sure in that long ride to Raleigh that Michelle's death was a homicide. I heard the first call that came in to them was as detail-less as the 911 call.

Some appear desperate to turn this case into S. Peterson redux and it's nothing like that case at all.

The JDI crowd is doing a lot of projecting, imo.:shrug: Yes, But didn't Jason have an attorney by the time he got to Merediths? Why if they didn't know it was a homicide?

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Barbara2


She may not have. We don't know. It may have been dark in the room if the curtains were closed. She may not have been processing what she was seeing very well. I don't care how strong a person is, coming to a house that you expect to be empty and finding your 2 year old niece wandering around and your sister lying on the floor would shock you. You might not be as competent as arm chair detectives analyzing the situation from a great distance.

(snip) Just as I would guess that Meredith's brain didn't want to process the fact that Michelle was dead. She did not want to believe it.

That's my guess.

There were no curtains. It was a bright sunshiney day, around 1:30 pm.

She knew she was dead.

That's my guess.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by scout


No, you did not read any such thing on my blog.

Sorry, thought that's where I read it. Maybe it was Samiya who wrote it. Anyone know?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by lilismom


(snipped)

Good night folks.

IMO,
Lilismom

Good night, Lili :seeya:

Hurry back!

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Lindsey


There were no curtains. It was a bright sunshiney day, around 1:30 pm.

She knew she was dead.

That's my guess.

It is very possible that she knew her sister was dead, just like the woman in the 911 call I used as an example knew that the child was dead. In both cases, their brains wouldn't allow that realization to sink in because they didn't want to believe the reality of what their eyes were seeing. imo

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by lilismom


(snip)
And did she say all over the house? Or did she say, all over the place? (snip)

IMO,
Lilismom

She said both.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Lindsey


(snipped)

She knew she was dead.

That's my guess.

If the TOD is between midnight and 6am.

When Meredith arrived at 1:30pm, her sister's body probably did look dead. That would be my guess.

Do you recall what time of day the dead victim's body was transported to ME the following day?

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


If the TOD is between midnight and 6am.

When Meredith arrived at 1:30pm, her sister's body probably did look dead. That would be my guess.

Do you recall what time of day the dead victim's body was transported to ME the following day?

No time of transport listed on the AR. Only the time of autopsy; 11:30 am.

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by agathachristie
Snipped from FF

.................................................. .................................................. ...

I heard the first call that came in to them was as detail-less as the 911 call.
.................................................. .................................................. ...

Who did you hear this from ?

Did you hear this from a reliable source ?

I've never heard this before and have been readng for quite some time .

Care to enlighten us ?

TIA Aggie

I was waiting for an answer to the question, "If he didn't know it was a homicide, why did he hire a lawyer?"

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by agathachristie



(snipped)

It dawned on me that perhaps the poor little girl walked in on the bloody crime scene .

And daddy (speculating here) picked her up, took her in the bathroom , cleaned her up, and settled her back into bed.



Was there some previous discussion about how some people can hear on the 911 tape that Cassidy is asking Meredith for a washcloth ... and get it onto her... like daddy did? (paraphrasing)

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Lindsey


No time of transport listed on the AR. Only the time of autopsy; 11:30 am.

So, you think Michelle's dead body was still bleeding out upon arrival for autopsy the following day, and the single hair was stuck in wet blood?

[catjoed]

Originally posted by lilismom


I think he did. I think he was just trying to cover all bases. If not, if I were him, I would have been yelling by then, CALM DOWN MEREDITH, YOU HAVE TO TURN HER OVER, I DON'T CARE HOW HEAVY SHE IS. I think he knew. I think she knew. I think she was just too scared to admit it, to herself and to him. She didn't want it to be true. So sad.

IMO,,
Lilismom

He only conceded death when the sister said she was stiff. It took a couple of calm pushes from the dispatcher to get the sister to actually express "stiff". She said "cold" a couple of times.. but "stiff" is more or less a confirmation for the dispatcher.

He would never yell. He would never scream (unless he wanted a few days off without pay). He did his job perfectly. Calm begets calm.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


So, you think Michelle's dead body was still bleeding out upon arrival for autopsy the following day, and the single hair was stuck in wet blood?

Of course not! Where did you get that from? If you read my previous post, I said all blood on the body would have been dry by time of autopsy.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by agathachristie


(snipped)

And daddy (speculating here) picked her up, took her in the bathroom , cleaned her up, and settled her back into bed.



I quoted this portion of your post, upthread. But, I am replying with a separate thought.

So, if Jason picked her up, at any point, they would request a foot impression. Did he provide his foot impression at the NTO?

With your speculation above, his footprints would be visible, but not Cassidy's.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Lindsey


Of course not! Where did you get that from? If you read my previous post, I said all blood on the body would have been dry by time of autopsy.

Your previous post, where?

Did you submit and then delete it?

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Your previous post, where?

Did you submit and then delete it?

Did you lose your glasses?

Right here:

Lindsey
Senior Member

Registered: Mar 2006
Location: middle Georgia
Posts: 1697
Re: Re: single hair on hand

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Thanks, Lindsey!

The TOD is between midnight and 6am.

The victim's body was found at 1:30pm and it was transported to ME the following day?

How long does a victim's body bleed out?

How long do you think it would take for wet blood to dry?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Michelle's body was found approx 1:30 pm Nov 3
Autopsy began at 11:30 am Nov 4.
All the blood on her body would be dry by then.



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[catjoed]

Originally posted by Allison


In your opinion, do you think the dispatcher was wrong for not asking Meredith to take Cassidy and get out of the house once he realized what may have happened and that the caller and the child could be in danger?

Do you think once the call was transfered to the sheriff's dept they may have asked her to quickly leave the premises?

And (sorry for all of the ?'s) using your professional experience as reference, is it your opinion that Meredith did not realize what had happened to her sister.

BTW, I am so glad you said "Calm begets calm"

Very fitting for that call, IMO.

IMO, the dispatcher's intuition was that this was a death situation from the start. But, he cannot rely on intuition alone. Once he knew the daughter was alive and roaming the house when her Aunt found her, his next obligation was to find out if the victim was alive and if she could possibly helped by the sister. The dispatcher told the sister to confine the child, only after this was the sister able to confirm death.

IMO, the sheriff department probably did tell her to immediately evacuate the premises to a neighbor for further information.

I would not suspect her initially, no. Further, she did not report a sense of fear of being in the house.

JMO

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by catjoed


He only conceded death when the sister said she was stiff. It took a couple of calm pushes from the dispatcher to get the sister to actually express "stiff". She said "cold" a couple of times.. but "stiff" is more or less a confirmation for the dispatcher.

He would never yell. He would never scream (unless he wanted a few days off without pay). He did his job perfectly. Calm begets calm.

Thank you for adding to the discussion. I hope you will post often.

[catjoed]

Originally posted by Fireflies


I know it's an extremely stressful job. Rest well.

:patriot:

Am doing so, thx.

[Amy]

Originally posted by agathachristie


I think the LE did request a foot impression .

Wasn't it in one of the SW's ?

Maybe when he gave DNA ,fingerprints etc ?

I'm getting weary and way too lazy to go and look it up .

Aggie

Was it a foot impression, or a shoe impression? Well, what I am getting at is, in way previous posts, there was much exchange about a shoeprint that was not of a size that Jason wore. I think part of the discussion revolved around--was it the print of a shoe belonging to a random stranger, or maybe it was a print of a shoe worn by JY to confuse.

I'm in the same state---too dang tired to get my brain to figure out WHERE to look (I mean, WHICH link--I know to look in links, lol)

[catjoed]

Originally posted by Lindsey


Thank you for adding to the discussion. I hope you will post often.

As much as possible.. thx. I have surgery next Tuesday, will have to type with one hand for awhile.

:(

[catjoed]

Originally posted by Allison


Thank-you. You cleared up a few questions I have had in my mind.

I am sure you have heard a very broad spectrum of reactions to truely horriffic scenes, as this must have been. Must be so hard for a dispatcher to remain calm in certain tense and confusing situations, but I am sure professionalism keeps many situations from getting out of hand.

A dispatcher just always remembers to control the conversation. That goes through your head every time a 911 call lights up your console.

We cry after work.

[catjoed]

Originally posted by agathachristie


I have to admit my first impression of the dispatcher was not good.

But then I realized that I was looking at things in hindsight.

He had no way of knowing that this was a murder scene.

The sister was in such a state of shock it took some time for her to clarify the situation. You can hear it in her voice. She was struggling to come to grips with it. And she also followed his lead. He was the authority in her mind despite what she was seeing.

He's had plenty of calls when people say there is blood everwhere. That is subjective. It all depends on your level of exposure.

So, in the end I think he did fine.

Just my opinion........Aggie

Aggie, he did extremely well, IMO. :patriot:

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by catjoed


A dispatcher just always remembers to control the conversation. That goes through your head every time a 911 call lights up your console.

We cry after work.

Interesting input from a person with experience in the field.
How long have you worked as a dispatcher, catjoed? (If you don't mind me asking).

[Amy]

Originally posted by Fireflies


I'm hoping the socks were dipped in blood because the only other way that blood got on them is her wearing them and stepping in it and I hope MF didn't subject her to such a horrible experience. JMO.

I hope her very own father did not subject her to such a horrible experience.

[catjoed]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr


Interesting input from a person with experience in the field.
How long have you worked as a dispatcher, catjoed? (If you don't mind me asking).

Eight years off and on. I took two years as a road patrol officer, then one year as a Detention Deputy in the county klink, then back to 911 until a situation in my left hand has forced me into surgery.

Cat

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by catjoed


Eight years off and on. I took two years as a road patrol officer, then one year as a Detention Deputy in the county klink, then back to 911 until a situation in my left hand has forced me into surgery.

Cat

Hope the surgery goes well, Cat! and that your recovery is speedy! Thanks for responding. (Sorry, posters, about being O/T)

[catjoed]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr


Hope the surgery goes well, Cat! and that your recovery is speedy! Thanks for responding. (Sorry, posters, about being O/T)

Thank you MoonFlwr.

:)

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Lindsey


Did you lose your glasses?

Right here:

(snipped)

Michelle's body was found approx 1:30 pm Nov 3
Autopsy began at 11:30 am Nov 4.
All the blood on her body would be dry by then.

Thanks, Lindsey.

I must have missed it when we had an "electrical storm" and lost power. I did find your previous post at the bottom of page 13.

So, you agree that all the blood on her body would have been DRY by the time her corpse arrived for autopsy?

Therefore, the single hair found in her left hand was most likely stuck in DRY blood? Yes?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Amy


Was it a foot impression, or a shoe impression? Well, what I am getting at is, in way previous posts, there was much exchange about a shoeprint that was not of a size that Jason wore. I think part of the discussion revolved around--was it the print of a shoe belonging to a random stranger, or maybe it was a print of a shoe worn by JY to confuse.

I'm in the same state---too dang tired to get my brain to figure out WHERE to look (I mean, WHICH link--I know to look in links, lol)

That mysterious "random stranger" shoe print is also another Rumor that was created by the JDDI's.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


Thanks, Lindsey.

I must have missed it when we had an "electrical storm" and lost power. I did find your previous post at the bottom of page 13.

So, you agree that all the blood on her body would have been DRY by the time her corpse arrived for autopsy?

Therefore, the single hair found in her left hand was most likely stuck in DRY blood? Yes?

I agree the single hair found ON her left hand was most likely stuck in dry blood.

More interesting to me would be, was the blood wet or dry when the first responders arrived on Nov 3.

[catjoed]

Originally posted by Lindsey


I agree the single hair found ON her left hand was most likely stuck in dry blood.

More interesting to me would be, was the blood wet or dry when the first responders arrived on Nov 3.

Were the first responders fire or EMS?

If the body was "stiff" as her sister proclaimed, it only follows that the blood was dry at that time.

JMO

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by catjoed


Were the first responders fire or EMS?

If the body was "stiff" as her sister proclaimed, it only follows that the blood was dry at that time.

JMO

Of course you're right, the blood should have been dry if the body was cold and stiff.

I'm not sure who the first responders were but I would guess EMS since the crime scene was inside a private home.

However, the SOP in my area is for LE to make sure the scene is secure before anyone else can enter, whether it's EMS or Fire.

JMOO

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by catjoed


Were the first responders fire or EMS?

If the body was "stiff" as her sister proclaimed, it only follows that the blood was dry at that time.

JMO

When the dispatcher asked Meredith if the body was "stiff", I thought she responded by saying "cold" ??

If Meredith could not turn her sister's body over, then I speculate the body was also stiff?

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


When the dispatcher asked Meredith if the body was "stiff", I thought she responded by saying "cold" ??

If Meredith could not turn her sister's body over, then I speculate the body was also stiff?

MF said cold and she said stiff, at different times.

I think there might be a transcript of the whole 911 call somewhere ... maybe the links thread? I'm not sure.

[catjoed]

Originally posted by Lindsey


Of course you're right, the blood should have been dry if the body was cold and stiff.

I'm not sure who the first responders were but I would guess EMS since the crime scene was inside a private home.

However, the SOP in my area is for LE to make sure the scene is secure before anyone else can enter, whether it's EMS or Fire.

JMOO

I'm sure that happened Lindsey. You are right, If first responders were Fire, they could not enter until the scene was secured. I admit that I am not up to date with this crime.. your point is a good one. Since 911 gave the call call to the Sheriff's office, I suspect the sister (and EMS or Fire) were told to evacuate until the scene was secured.

Absolutely SOP.

[catjoed]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


When the dispatcher asked Meredith if the body was "stiff", I thought she responded by saying "cold" ??

If Meredith could not turn her sister's body over, then I speculate the body was also stiff?

I'll listen again, but I thought after the second time the dispatcher asked her to turn the body over (for possible CPR) that was when she said the body was "stiff".

Don't hold me to it tho, it was this afternoon when I listened to the 911 tape.

[Apoc]

Originally posted by Fireflies


I thought it had been posted here previously? From what I've been told, the communication that day was pretty chaotic.

The first call to the Youngs said that Michelle had been found dead in a pool of blood. No mention of a homicide. The Youngs immediately began phoning family and friends who began spreading the awful news. The initial belief was that the blood and Michelle's death was related to her pregnancy.

Later, they received a second call telling them the police believed it was a homicide. I have no idea if that second call came before or after Jason arrived in Brevard. JMO.

Maybe thats what Meredith thought. "The initial belief was that the blood and Michelle's death was related to her pregnancy."

That would explain why she didn't take CY and run out of the house, right?

[Samiya]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

The Only Sister describes the place as not looking like it normally does and blood everywhere.

The investigators call it the most gruesome and bloodiest crime scene they have ever seen.

Such disparity.

I doubt that blood on walls and a lamp in the room as well as herself on the floor in a pool of blood was Michelle's standard idea of home decorating.......so I'd say the place didn't look like it normally did.

And since no-one has any idea what other murder scenes that those investigators have seen over the years, it may well be the bloodiest and gruesome CS they've come across.

Sami

[Samiya]

Originally posted by purple


Blood on walls - 3'x5' wall sections taken from the master bedroom wall beside the spot where Michelle was murdered

Meredith told police the place didn't look like it normally did because there were bloody, baby footprints all over the house ... the dog was acting funny ... and her sister might be dead. Turned out the footprints were made by a child with her mother's blood. That's very sad.

In spite of gruesome, bloody, murder scenes - I empathize with investigators but that's the job ... so no, suck it up princess. No matter what the investigators have or have not seen over the years, it is still their responsibility to rise above, suck it up, and not be too grumpy with the perp.

I'm pretty familiar with why Meredith told 911 that the house did not look like it normally does, I just can't be bothered lining it all up.

What is "so no, suck it up Princess"?

That's a phrase I can use on a few of my colleagues, lol.

Sami

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Never heard of anyone having an affair via a computer.

oh, it's not 'just for me'....LE isn't calling it an affair and the media won't either.

Guess they know better than to lie, eh?

Maybe you should google infidelity to find out just how prevalent emotional affairs, conducted via email and cell phone calls are?

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by lilismom



I agree, it does, although MF does add about there being blood in the bed so its not like she's saying Michelle didn't vacuum. But when I think about the situations they are both in when they see it and then describe it, it makes more sense to me.

IMO,
Lilismom

I agree and, although this is o/t, it is, imo, a good eg. of how 2 people see the same situation totally differently. My sister went to visit my mom and, although she could see her sleeping in her chair in the sitting room, knocking on the door and ringing the doorbell, failed to rouse her. She phoned her husband (my b-i-l) and he arrived and broke the window to get to my mom who he had already told my sister, was dead. My b-i-l had seen dead people before whereas my sister had not. When I saw my mom's body at her visitation, I'd have sworn she was asleep as well had I not known differently.

[MoonFlwr]

Sorry about your Mom, Leanne.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by MoonFlwr
Sorry about your Mom, Leanne.

Thanks MoonFlwr. Horrible thing to say but, what a nice way to go. Get up, get dressed, do your hair and make up and sit down and not wake up. I'm glad my sister found her and not me though.

[MoonFlwr]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


Thanks MoonFlwr. Horrible thing to say but, what a nice way to go. Get up, get dressed, do your hair and make up and sit down and not wake up. I'm glad my sister found her and not me though.

Yes. My Dad died in his sleep with no pre-exisiting illness, no knowledge of any health problems. He just went to bed and had a heart attack in his sleep, never to wake up again. Same as you said, what a nice way to go! (sorry O/T)

Anyway, time to be off. Thanks, everyone, for shared comments and ideas. Take care.
I hope there will be a breakthrough in this case soon!

[karen]

Originally posted by Fireflies


Meredith didn't describe tiny particles of blood, she described bloody footprints all over the house.

Of course the carpet was tested for blood. LE did some things correctly.

:rolleyes:


FF,
You continue to amaze me w/ your posts, Why would MF get on her knees and look for dried particles of blood??????..she described it as she saw it.....JMO

[Dida]

I thought this might be an interesting middle ground for those who seem so determined to make distinctions based upon whether or not JY and MM ever "had sex":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_affair

"Inappropriate emotional intimacy. The partner being unfaithful may spend inappropriate or excessive time with someone of the opposite or same gender (time not shared with the faithful partner). He or she may confide more in their new “friend” than in their partner and may share more intimate emotional feelings and secrets with their new partner than with their existing spouse. Any time that an individual invests more emotionally into a relationship with someone besides their partner the existing partnership may suffer. "

"Sexual and emotional chemistry. Emotional affairs may not always lead to physical intimacy, but some do. The time between the first meeting and a first kiss can often be very lengthy, but the time between the first kiss and sexual intercourse may be very short. In most of these affairs, however, an unspoken attraction exists. A partner may spend extra time getting ready before seeing this "friend" or may buy new clothing or change their appearance in order to seem attractive to them. They may obsess anticipating phone calls, emails or text messages. "

By this definition, an "affair" can occur via computer/telephone.

So it seems to me that whether or not "sex" ever occurred, the damage to the respective marriages was real, and the "relationship" was a betrayal.

And splitting hairs will not change that.

jmo of course

[Hey Paula]

Good Morning Everyone!

If the "relationship" between JY and MM was purely platonic, it would not be mentioned by LE on the SW as probable cause/motive for Michelle's murder.

I believe LE confirmed the kind of relationship JY was having directly with MM, or they wouldn't use that wording, as it could be libelous and slanderous to do so, especially as respects to MM, whose current marriage might have suffered by such statements if she and JY were never romantically involved. Hence, I have no doubt about the kind of "relationship" they had.

Does anyone know if MM was already pregnant when Michelle was still alive? The reason I'm asking that question is perhaps Michelle learned about their "relationship" and might have wondered if JY had caused the pregnancy. This would certainly be a very good reason to speak to the therapist.

IMO


TIA to all respondents!

[Samiya]

The equivalent of a 'new thread'.

Please take some time out and...

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=MMFY

For Michelle
:rose:

Sami

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


Hey Paula

It is my understanding MM's baby was conceived AFTER the murder, as she has a fall due date.

Thanks for your reply Andy!

For Michelle's sake, while she was alive, I'm glad that thought or concern would not have been preying on her mind, if she'd learned about their relationship. So, I can cross that one off my list of what Michelle might have discussed with the therapist.

Thanks again!

[indie]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


I wonder if the Young family is happy their trusted 'family friend' is e-mailing photos of the murder scene to CTV posters , only to have her broadcast details of the child's footprints all over the internet ?

:eek:

Sadly, it is women CTV posters partaking in this aberrant behavior. I do not understand how women with children, sisters and mothers think they are contributing to a discussion of a such a serious manner as Michelle's murder with such rude, taunting and outright mean posts. Silsbee however, is able to express "the other side" with legitimate and thoughtful posts.

[indie]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Oh brother.

This isn't the Bash Others With A Differing View Under the Guise of Critiquing forum.

:rolleyes:

Oh sister.

:seeya: How are you today?

[indie]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Huh? What 'damage' to respectiive marriages are you talking about?

SM stated they were all good friends in the only public statement I can find that he made. Nothing about betrayal Nothing about damage to his marriage. Nothing about any affair.


Whoops I was just about to ask you if you saw Dida's fine post and I can see that you have from this post.

Your perseverance on this affair vs. relationship is so curious. Most of us do not believe his little escapade with MM was his motive for murder. It is just a symptom of his larger problem, no conscience.

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

The insistence it was a sexual relationship, ie AFFAIR, is what is interesting.

But then again the same ones spreading that RUMOR and posting that libel are the same ones saying Jason is a murderer.

Go figure.

I'm curious, AE. Do you have any ideas or theories to share with the rest of us? Or do you just pop in to check hall passes?

[indie]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

The insistence it was a sexual relationship, ie AFFAIR, is what is interesting.

But then again the same ones spreading that RUMOR and posting that libel are the same ones saying Jason is a murderer.

Go figure.

Yesterday you did post there is a possibility that Jason may have murdered his wife. What in your mind is the reason that it may be possible?

For me AE, it is the fact that Jason is not participating front and center in any shape or form to help in the investigation. Only a man without a conscience can motor on in his life, leaving a wake full of family members and friends hurting beyond words.

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Sunday morning bait. So very unlike you, Dida.

That wasn't bait, AE. It may have been flip, but it was a serious question. You seem to spend all of your time here trying to limit what opinions others can or cannot have. I've asked you previously what ideas or theories you have, and got a very noncommital answer.

Some of the opinions stated here, my own included, may be off base. But most of us put them out there to get feedback, to work through what might have happened and why. Because we are horrified by this tragedy and are trying, in our own ways, to make sense of it.

So why are you here?

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Yup, I call your BS everytime you post it.

:lol:

No hall pass for you, Andy. :no:

[indie]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0


Oh boy :D

Doing great...how you doin?

:seeya:


Well geez it took ya long enough to answer! I asked you at 12:02 pm my time. I know, I know, you had to let out all the steam with those posts.

So back to your reasonable post up there. I wonder what specific NTIO test result keeps him on the table? Palm print? Wasn't there some sort of palm print in the shower?

[Dida]

Originally posted by willow_1


You said they had been emailed,I didn't see them ,did you?Maybe that is your problem,envy.I bet it would be quite different if you had the privilege of seeing the photos. Guess we will never know ,as you won't be seeing them. IMO

Willow, he said the photos had been emailed TO her, not that she had emailed them to others. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by willow_1


Well ,we can believe he meant that or we can believe he lied.I will believe he meant it and you can believe he lied. Now show me where MM admitted to her girlfriends at a party that she did have the affair.OH,you can't show me that ,that's just a rumor. IMO

Or we can believe that he was trying to be as tactful as possible in the face of a very embarrassing situation. jmo

[indie]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
[B

snip, snip >>>

They were all friends and MM and JY has almost daily email or phone contact. PERIOD. [/B]


Ahhhh come on AE, there wasn't even a little peck on the cheek?

[Amy]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


That mysterious "random stranger" shoe print is also another Rumor that was created by the JDDI's.

Thanks. It gets hard trying to figure out (or remember) which is FACT, and which is rumor. Altho, quite a bit really is rumor, what with the dearth of information directly from LE.

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Or better yet, that he's telling the truth.

LE stated on a SW they has interviewe MM and she admitted to almost daily phone or email contact with JY. Hard to believe they would be so incompetent to not ask if there was any type of physical relationship to include that admission in the SW also.

Don't you find it curious that LE, the DA and media are not calling it an affair...just posters in cyberspace?

Don't you find it curious that no Witness C or D gave a statement to LE about any admission or knowledge of any affair so LE could include it on the SW?

Don't you find it curious that LE would go to all of the effort to obtain and execute a SW for a computer in FL? Why would they go to all of that trouble for "friendly" emails? Did they get a SW for any other "friendly" emails from JY?

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


And the sliming of of the victim's sister is not only BS, it is cruel and well....sick.
:cuss:

imo

Why do you always always always have to bring up the victim's sister? I thought y'all didn't want to talk about her.

How many phone calls did she make that day and in what order? You got any inside scoop on that?

[Amy]

Originally posted by Apoc


Maybe thats what Meredith thought. "The initial belief was that the blood and Michelle's death was related to her pregnancy."

That would explain why she didn't take CY and run out of the house, right?

That makes sense to me. If the Young family can assume "in a pool of blood" would be related to the pregnancy, it would be just as reasonable to think Meredith would first think that, too.

That, or her having fallen. I would think that, if I arrived at my sister's home and her toddler child is walking about, I would not first think someone had entered the home and killed sis. Now, if the child was also injured or dead, I might first think of a murder, and run from the house. IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by willow_1


Well I heard she was at the house a long time before she called 911.AT won't help with that information.Guess we will have to wait till the trial.IMO

Careful Willow. You wouldn't want to be one of those accused of posting rumors, would you?

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by willow_1


Well I heard she was at the house a long time before she called 911.AT won't help with that information.Guess we will have to wait till the trial.IMO

Yep, phone records will tell us all about it. IF there is a trial.

IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by Amy


That makes sense to me. If the Young family can assume "in a pool of blood" would be related to the pregnancy, it would be just as reasonable to think Meredith would first think that, too.

That, or her having fallen. I would think that, if I arrived at my sister's home and her toddler child is walking about, I would not first think someone had entered the home and killed sis. Now, if the child was also injured or dead, I might first think of a murder, and run from the house. IMO

I agree, Amy. Especially if I had walked through the better portion of the house and seen nothing ransacked and no signs of a violent crime. jmo

[Amy]

Originally posted by purple


Imagine that you were the 'sibling orphaned' as an adult and people ridiculed you because you said outloud that you were the "only sister" in a public phone call. What a pathetic level of remarks. Anyone stop to think that the 911 call with Meredith could not have been released to the public had Meredith not authorized it ... all in the quest to initiate justice for her sister.

Meredith described the place as not only being covered with the footprints of Cassidy; traipsing her mother's blood throughout the house, but as having a very upset dog.

Where is the disparity?

Is there some inability for some people to comprehend this situation ...

I don't think anyone other than LE has to authorize the release of the 911 call. It would be their decision, IMO.

The only sister thing. I've been thinking, families have their little inside jokes and sayings and such. For all we know, Meredith and Michelle may have been in a habit of saying "my only sister"--and, what the heck---it's the truth, isn't it?


I don't know why some of the posters have (recently--it didn't come up in the beginning) been trying to make a big deal out it? I haven't been able to figure out the significance of the only sister statement in the eyes of those that make fun of it.

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


Thanks. I will hold you to that Lindsey. No more talking about the victim's sister. :)

Oops ....why are you bringing up phone calls then ?

Don't misrepresent what I said:

"Why do you always always always have to bring up the victim's sister? I thought y'all didn't want to talk about her."

Y'all bring her up and then get mad if anybody comments. It doesn't work that way. If you don't want her talked about, don't mention her.

JMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by willow_1

I,m only posting what I heard.Thats why I'm asking if any one else heard it. IMO

I'm just saying that when others do that, they are accused of starting rumors and posting BS. That's all. jmo

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Amy


I don't think anyone other than LE has to authorize the release of the 911 call. It would be their decision, IMO.

The only sister thing. I've been thinking, families have their little inside jokes and sayings and such. For all we know, Meredith and Michelle may have been in a habit of saying "my only sister"--and, what the heck---it's the truth, isn't it?


I don't know why some of the posters have (recently--it didn't come up in the beginning) been trying to make a big deal out it? I haven't been able to figure out the significance of the only sister statement in the eyes of those that make fun of it.

Or maybe it's something MF often used when trying to get Michelle to give her what she wanted and maybe Michelle didn't want to. "I'm your only sister!" Something like that, perhaps?

:shrug:

IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by Amy


I don't think anyone other than LE has to authorize the release of the 911 call. It would be their decision, IMO.

The only sister thing. I've been thinking, families have their little inside jokes and sayings and such. For all we know, Meredith and Michelle may have been in a habit of saying "my only sister"--and, what the heck---it's the truth, isn't it?


I don't know why some of the posters have (recently--it didn't come up in the beginning) been trying to make a big deal out it? I haven't been able to figure out the significance of the only sister statement in the eyes of those that make fun of it.

I don't understand it either. In fact, there WAS a family joke in my ex's family, about his being the "only son". His sister used to call him that, affectionately, to tease him. jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

I have no idea what other SW we many not know about that were a result of the initial search of JY's computer drives or his phone lugs.

I'm sure they determined who every call received and made was from and to.

I'm sure they tracked down the 'source' of various emails of his so they had the content in context.

And I'm sure that LE didn't tell a judge MM admitted to any affair when they interviewed her.

Okay fine, so what else could have been on MM's computer that was so important that LE would get a SW for FL?

[Amy]

Originally posted by purple


You really have an issue with Jason having a romantic relationship with Michelle Money. I mean, you are going to fight this right to the end ... trying to claim that it didn't happen, that the news reports are false, to accuse the police of conspiracy, to suggest that they were friends while they secretly talked for 3 months - while Michelle was pregnant.

What is your motive in trying to create a new truth that makes Jason's romantic relationship with Michelle Money disappear?

What does AE and his friends say to dispute the fact that Michelle Money admitted to the "romantic relationship?" It would seem she would be the one with first hand knowledge. Did she retract her admission?

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

uh....Jason is Michelle's family....if you want to see 'vicious' and 'disrespectful' take a look at what is said about HIM.

d'oh

No kidding. :shrug:

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Dida


I don't understand it either. In fact, there WAS a family joke in my ex's family, about his being the "only son". His sister used to call him that, affectionately, to tease him. jmo

Hey Dida,

My hubby and his sister have always joked calling each other favorite brother and favorite sister. However if one found the other dead in a pool of blood, I don't think they would identify themselves to 911 as favorite brother or favorite sister.

But this isn't about us ... it's about Michelle and MF.

Good to see you here this afternoon!

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


The difference in what 'we' say and what 'y'all' say about her is polar opposite. Y'all are vicious and disrespectful to the victim's family for absolutely no credible reason.

Nope. I never have been and never will be.

[Dida]

Originally posted by Lindsey


Hey Dida,

My hubby and his sister have always joked calling each other favorite brother and favorite sister. However if one found the other dead in a pool of blood, I don't think they would identify themselves to 911 as favorite brother or favorite sister.

But this isn't about us ... it's about Michelle and MF.

Good to see you here this afternoon!

Hi, Lindsey,

I've thought about that quite a bit, with all of the emphasis given to it here. I have only one sister, she's younger, and in a situation of extreme stress and emotion, I can imagine identifying myself as her "older sister", even though she doesn't have a younger sister. So I guess I don't read anything into MF's reference to herself.

jmo

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Well I do.....I think it's downright odd.

Maybe it is "odd" to some people. But "odd" is not sinister, imo.

About the computer, I don't quite follow you. Are you saying you think LE may have taken the computer to stop MM from getting emails from JY?

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

To make sure she didn't get add'l emails from Jason from some other source is my guess.

Alter Ego. What do You know about JY's lawyer. I was under the impression that he was involved in the Duke case. That case was also a farce and their lawyers ripped that DA apart, part of me has to believe that Jason's lawyer is chomping at the bit to tear down this case and send the DA packing with his/her tail between their legs BUT I think the DA knows that they better have some actual evidence because although You can try and let a case leak out through the media and achieve a certain level of tainting a jury pool , at the end of the day a few jurors may hold the DA to what the law demands and not convict on emotion. I think the three main keys to this case are JY was out of town, he has managed to assert his rights to wait for a trial and his lawyers have a vast amount to work with to send the DA to a courtroom loss. Now if we could just get a charge than we could get on with it! ( although I don't expect it) . JMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

No, willow said she heard something and was trying to get add'l info and find out if anyone else heard it also.

Not at all like coming here and claiming to have 'sources' and 'information' and 'facts' and pushing it as truth when it can't even be validated.

Or photos :D

[Surfside6]

Originally posted by Amy


What does AE and his friends say to dispute the fact that Michelle Money admitted to the "romantic relationship?" It would seem she would be the one with first hand knowledge. Did she retract her admission?

not to mention her husband spoke to a reporter
and said that he had forgiven his wife and that they were staying together.

if MM and JY's "relationship" were not an affair, don't you think SM would be the first to point that out to the public?

the link to that news story has disappeared, so i can't post it.
imo

[Amy]

Originally posted by willow_1


Ok ,thought maybe you had some information on it.

Probably rumors started by JY's family/friends just to roil the waters.

Seems it took quite a few months for someone to start saying that.

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

No, I'm saying LE wanted to see if MM had other correspondence from JY that did not originate from any of the hard drives of his they had already confiscated.

Take for instance, if he had sent her a note from a PC he may have used on a sales call...they would have no record of it on his hard drives, but there would be one on hers from when she read it....

The I agree with you; that's what I think too. So then the question is, what correspondence would have been of such importance/significance that LE felt the need to verify it?

jmo

[ReedJ]

If the DA wants to bring an adultery charge against JY and MM than his lawyers can cross examine their so called evidence and I seriously doubt the judge would give Jy or MM any significant time. IMO

[Dida]

Originally posted by Dida


Or photos :D

OMG, was that an incantation?? :lol:

[Dida]

Originally posted by Surfside6


not to mention her husband spoke to a reporter
and said that he had forgiven his wife and that they were staying together.

if MM and JY's "relationship" were not an affair, don't you think SM would be the first to point that out to the public?

the link to that news story has disappeared, so i can't post it.
imo

Hi Surfside6,

Do you remember whether the article was in the Raleigh media or somewhere else?

TIA

[Dida]

Originally posted by ReedJ
If the DA wants to bring an adultery charge against JY and MM than his lawyers can cross examine their so called evidence and I seriously doubt the judge would give Jy or MM any significant time. IMO

ReedJ, not even in the southern backwaters do DAs bring charges of adultery. :)

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Dida


ReedJ, not even in the southern backwaters do DAs bring charges of adultery. :)

That was my point:) All this arguing to just try and muddy up JY and MM doesn't prove either one killed Michelle, it's just some desperate and feeble attempt at a motive I guess. lol. JMO:seeya:

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Jason's atty can't really contest anything the DA may have as far as evidence because they don't know, other than the NTIO test results, what the DA has and won't know until a charge is made and discovery laws come into play.

By not making media appearances, Jason and his atty are holding to their right to privacy.

And if nothing else, the Nifong disaster has sent a clear msg to DAs all over that the courtroom is where they argue their case, not in front of a camera. I think we saw the effects of Nifong in this case already with the declaration of LE that they don't want to infringe upon rghts by blabbing {yes that's paraphrased}.

I saw the DA in the Kesey Smith case say on TV that the person arrested was to be considered innocent until proven guilty in court. So maybe the rush to try cases in the media will cease and the new owners of CTV will put a smack down on the gossip and rumor mongering and declarations of guilt on a msg board w/o benefit of a trial.

There may be hope yet :D

The Duke case also put some of the Hardcore feminists who like to go on tv and convict men of a crime without a trial on notice that sometimes Justice prevails. :D When it happens it is pretty sweet. Susan Filan , Georgette Gossling (sp) Wendy Murphy , NG , Gloria Allred are probably all still crying about that case. IMO

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
I have thought after no arrest was made on Jason that the lab results has had to take them elsewhere. There has to be something in the lab results that is the hang up. MOO

Hey Hi_C

Your post makes perfect sense to me. In the beginning, we kept hearing how the labs were "backed up" and it might take up to seven (7) months to get the results back. Then, it was the dotting of "i" and the crossing of "t" and when that got run into the ground, it was "getting all their ducks lined up".

Now it's almost ten (10) months and still counting. My personal opinion is, the lab results (and possibly other evidence) must have given them a surprise and they had to start over.

[Surfside6]

Originally posted by Dida


Hi Surfside6,

Do you remember whether the article was in the Raleigh media or somewhere else?

TIA

dida, i believe that it was a local florida newspaper
or TV news story printed online.

steve also mentioned that they were staying together for "financial reasons."

other posters remember seeing it.

imo

[WonderingInSC]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Sad that the DAs in NC aren't upholding the laws.

§ 14-184. Fornication and adultery.
If any man and woman, not being married to each other, shall lewdly and lasciviously associate, bed and cohabit together, they shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor: Provided, that the admissions or confessions of one shall not be received in evidence against the other.

there is not enough room in the prisons for men and women who do that day to day. The only time the law helps is when someone gets divorced from another who is adulterous. It is a shame Michelle didn't get that opportunity.

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Sad that the DAs in NC aren't upholding the laws.

§ 14-184. Fornication and adultery.
If any man and woman, not being married to each other, shall lewdly and lasciviously associate, bed and cohabit together, they shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor: Provided, that the admissions or confessions of one shall not be received in evidence against the other.

I guess they have to manage their priorities. Can you imagine the backlog in the court system, and the overcrowded jails? :)

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Lindsey


Or maybe it's something MF often used when trying to get Michelle to give her what she wanted and maybe Michelle didn't want to. "I'm your only sister!" Something like that, perhaps?

:shrug:

IMO

Yea, maybe when she was 9 years old and they liked the same boy at the playground. So now MF is a whiney brat on top of everything else? Jeez louise.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Dida]

Originally posted by agathachristie



Oh, man ! Lindsey , you are good ! I mean, really, really good ! :no:


MOO.....Aggie

I know, Aggie. I caught it, too, before I responded. Thought I would give her the benefit of the doubt.

jmo

[Lindsey]

Originally posted by agathachristie



Oh, man ! Lindsey , you are good ! I mean, really, really good !

(snipped waggy finger)


MOO.....Aggie

Thank you Aggie. :)

[lilismom]

Originally posted by willow_1


Well I heard she was at the house a long time before she called 911.AT won't help with that information.Guess we will have to wait till the trial.IMO


Respectfully Willow, I don't believe this for a second.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


Yea right :rolleyes:

IIRC (and I do) a particular poster offered to share photos taken in the house after the murder. The offer was at the bottom of the post back in February when the former poster told everyone his real name and email address.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by lilismom


Yea, maybe when she was 9 years old and they liked the same boy at the playground. So now MF is a whiney brat on top of everything else? Jeez louise.

IMO,
Lilismom

I wouldn't trust her at all. JMO

[lilismom]

If you found out your significant other was playing footsie over the internet and via telephone with your best friend what would you call it? Friendship? Betrayal? Joking? A relationship? A romantic relationship? An affair?

Perhaps they never had physical contact. If true, I bet that had more to do with location than desire.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by willow_1


Its my understanding that it is being talked around ,something didn't check out in the phone calls.Something about pings from a cell phone. I never said I knew it for a fact ,I ask if any one else had heard it. I thought maybe someone with more inside info might know. IMO

No, I have not heard that at all before today from you.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by lilismom
If you found out your significant other was playing footsie over the internet and via telephone with your best friend what would you call it? Friendship? Betrayal? Joking? A relationship? A romantic relationship? An affair?

Perhaps they never had physical contact. If true, I bet that had more to do with location than desire.

IMO,
Lilismom

I think we should hold MM equally accountable but I also don't see any crime here. JMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

The only people classifying it as an affair are posters on msg boards.

LE is not.

The DA is not.

The Money's are not.

For it to be an affair, there has to be the element of sex. If there was no physical contact, then there was no affair.

The way I look at it is that this is all they got, which is nothing.IMO

Justice

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

The only people classifying it as an affair are posters on msg boards.

LE is not.

The DA is not.

The Money's are not.

For it to be an affair, there has to be the element of sex. If there was no physical contact, then there was no affair.


Ok, that's according to you.

Have we heard from the DA? I'm asking honestly as I don't know.

I asked what YOU would call it if YOU found this out in your own relationship. If the emails were found to be frequent and sexual in nature, would you call it just a friendship? I think the injuried party in "affairs" is betrayed by the fact that they stepped outside the marriage vows, you know, love, honor and trust? I think the actual SEX is secondary. Maybe that's just me.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Dida]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

The only people classifying it as an affair are posters on msg boards.

LE is not.

The DA is not.

The Money's are not.

For it to be an affair, there has to be the element of sex. If there was no physical contact, then there was no affair.

No, there does not have to be an element of sex in order for it to be an affair. I posted this earlier this morning, and I will post it again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_affair

An emotional affair is every bit as damaging as a physical one.

jmo

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor



I don't make any extra effort to prove anything to YOU , AE.

You are simply not worth it.
:tongue:

Sounds more like You've been exposed. IMO

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
According to LE, the only admission from MM is about the almost daily contact via phone or email with JY.

No admission about any affair.

And you don't see anything wrong with that? Do you think they were talking about the weather? And, if true, do you think Michelle would have been happy to find out? She would have been hurt and sick and sad and mad as all get out at BOTH of them.

IMO,
Lilismom

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Lindsey


Don't misrepresent what I said:

"Why do you always always always have to bring up the victim's sister? I thought y'all didn't want to talk about her."

Y'all bring her up and then get mad if anybody comments. It doesn't work that way. If you don't want her talked about, don't mention her.

JMO

I thought the same thing applies to the "little girl" ... wherein the retired school teacher, kat, and others have complained to Coldwater about how she should Not be discussed. This would include any of her footprints, her socks, bloody, wet, dry< or otherwise!

Of course, the bloody socks in the bathroom, lack of her bloody footprints in the hallway, etc., is Rumor.

[Amy]

Originally posted by willow_1


Thats what is being said. I guess they can tell by where the cell phone pings ,where the person is.I don't own a cell phone and have no need for one ,so I don't know what they meant.

It could very well mean she was talking on her cell phone as she drove up to the house. Finish her conversation, then enter the house. IF it is true, it would not necessarily mean she is IN the house, just AT the house.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Never happened.

Steve Money's ONLY statement was to say they were all friends.

Yea, "were". Think they're friends now? I wonder if they are. That would probably clear this bickering up in a hurry.

If he didn't sleep with his wife and if his friends believe he didn't kill his own wife, why would they NOT be friends to this day?

Does anyone know?

IMO,
Lilismom

[heathen]

Originally posted by agathachristie


I know . I've posted three times that the LE needs to parse their words very carefully . They only have MM's admission . It's the old "takes two to tango " . And the husband ain't talking !

I'm hoping that Willow weighs in on her comment that she heard the sister was there long before the 911 call . I had never heard that before.

MOO Aggie

Hi, Aggie! I'm sure you've noticed that some people make it up as they go along. It does make things interesting, doesn't it? I just wanted to say, you post more like a CTV veteran than some that have been around forever - keep up the good fight.

O/T -

purple, one of your posts in the early morning hours about the dad throwing his daughter off a cliff - were you referring to the Cameron Brown case? Another Mark Geragos production, IIRC.

[ReedJ]

Anyway you slice it or post rumors , there is no proof of murder. IMO. Adultery charge may be the resolution to this case. imo

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by purple


Unless we're not talking about the same case, there is actually quite a bit of proof of murder.

Okay....lol. Not against JY or MM in my opinion.

[lilismom]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amy


It could very well mean she was talking on her cell phone as she drove up to the house. Finish her conversation, then enter the house. IF it is true, it would not necessarily mean she is IN the house, just AT the house. [/QUOT


I don't believe MF was in the house at any time before the 911 call. But for argument's sake...

Are we talking hours before or minutes? Could she have walked into the house and went to the bathroom, went to the kitchen for a drink, check out the fridge for a snack and then went upstairs? Yes, she said the dog was freaking out but could the dog just have had to be let out?

Could it also mean she left her cell phone at home and turned on? Do pings register then? She did say she was on a cordless phone on the 911 call. Maybe she was on the house phone? If she was on the house phone would he then have had to ask the address? Do they ask the address anyway just to verify?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by lilismom


And you don't see anything wrong with that? Do you think they were talking about the weather? And, if true, do you think Michelle would have been happy to find out? She would have been hurt and sick and sad and mad as all get out at BOTH of them.

IMO,
Lilismom

ITA! It's a double betrayal, having much more of a devastatingly hurtful impact than if Michelle would have learned about JY having an affair with a stranger.

IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor



....or a motive for murder.

I would LOVE for the DA to try it...they know they got nothing.
IMO
Sweet Justice.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Dida


Hi Surfside6,

Do you remember whether the article was in the Raleigh media or somewhere else?

TIA

I think it may have First been heard on the Orlando, Florida radio station WDBO 580 Newstalk Radio, and then later the Raleigh Chronical Might have printed it?

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by purple


I knew that. In terms of Jason being responsible for Michelle's murder, there's motive, means, and opportunity, so I'd say he's still a pretty good candidate.

Of course. Women always have to blame the man. IMO

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

No. Dunno what they were talking about and neither does anyone on this board. If Michelle were to find out what? That they talked or wrote? I expect she would have said the same thing SM said - that they were all friends.


Depends on what they were found to have been talking about. and ya know what, even if they were calling to say "hi how are ya", I wouldn't be happy. Of course I wouldn't call that an affair, but is there any reason that he would need to talk to her daily? I wonder if he spoke to SM daily? Or any of his other male friends?

IMO,
Lilismom

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

So much motive, means and opportunity that he sits a free man with no GJ indictment.

Must not be so much MMO after all.

:D Out of town and No physical evidence.IMO

Justice

[WonderingInSC]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor

....or a motive for murder.


Exactly - this conversation has been going on for about 9 months or so... Adultery is a key motive for murder.... maybe they didn't do it, even though most of us believe they did...

OK, Let's say they didn't. He was on that road... when suddenly his wife was killed. Somehow I don't think he realized how much info can be pulled from erased messages and a hard drive......hmmmm... Motive. JMO.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by purple


It was a rather vicious murder. I think it's safe to assume that a man did it.

Whatever....prove it.

[ReedJ]

The best Justice I've seen in this case is that after 10 months JY is free and with his daughter.

IMO

That is Justice

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


FYI, they do not need to prove motive. However, it is always nice for a jury when you can show a current affair, financial problems + a $1mm life policy. Both can be argued by the DA as motive for JY to kill his wife.

jmo

They have NO evidence at all, just emotion. IMO

[lilismom]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

Are you sure SM meant the friendship was in the past? Did he say 'were' or did he say 'are'?

And who, besides the Moneys or Jason can verify the current state of their 'friendship? No one here but I'm sure a new rumor will be born in response to your question.


I don't know. Were or are. Just like you don't know if he meant that they were all 'just' friends.

No rumor intended. I think it is a legit question. You don't?

If someone doesn't know for sure one way or the other if they are currently friends, please don't answer. Cool?

IMO,
Lilismom

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Give the DA more credit than offering something that didn't happen as a motive for murder. :lol: LE wouldn't tell a judge it was an affair, you think the DA is going to tell a jury that? :lol:




:beer:

The victory will be sweet. IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by purple


I expect the prosecutor will to that very thing one day.

Bring it on.

[lilismom]

Originally posted by purple


It was a rather vicious murder. I think it's safe to assume that a man did it.

I don't base my opinion on who done it on the viciousness of the murder. Could have been a very angry woman. I just don't think so. Not any man. One man in particular.

IMO,
Lilismom

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by purple


Cases like this take a lot of time. We all know that. It is no reason to assume that Jason is innocent or that he will always remain free.

Famous words of Beth Holloway Twitty. IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by purple


That case might have been a swimming adventure gone wrong - absolutely no relation to this case.

I was re telling some famous words. IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor



The DA WILL tell a jury it was a romantic relatiionship. In addition, MM will be called to the stand to confirm the sexual contact as well.

You can post over and over again that this was not an affair, but it changes nothing AE.

Then the jury will have to conclude murder because She was " cheated on" boo hoo . imo What ever happened to evidence.:rolleyes:

[lilismom]

Originally posted by willow_1


I think the few emails that were from JY were about Michelle . I think that the bulk of the emails were from Michelle . I think Michelle had problems ,not marriage problems ,but some other kind. I think LE knows this ,because they have the therapist notes.Michelle clearly had something on her mind and It wasn't about Jason. IMO

I don't think daily contact adds up to a few emails. I think there are more than a few. Some of them may have been about Michelle. Maybe that's how it started? Who knows.

If you believe that the emails from the Young computer were from MY to MM, then doesn't it make it even worse that MM would have an affair/romantic relationship with JY knowing what she knew about MY, if MY had problems like you say? Why would she want to add to her best friends 'problems'? If, of course, it comes out that it was more than just a few emails passing jokes back and forth between MM and JY.


IMO,
Lilismom

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Nope. They are typically solved within the first 48 hours or go cold.

Jason is innocent. The Constitution of the USA says so.

Yep. They've had a body and crime scene from day one. :shrug: No delays at all. IMO

[WonderingInSC]

Originally posted by ReedJ
The best Justice I've seen in this case is that after 10 months JY is free and with his daughter.

IMO

That is Justice


We all know time and time again, that you want the murderer, if it is the man in question, go free for life. That is why the US is relying on true justice - not the justice in your deranged mind.. Adding on Beth Holloway's statement, as well, confirmed that some minds are sicker than others.... . JMO

Justice for Michelle, Natalee and others who deserve to rest in peace when their murderers are convicted.... which will be justice.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by WonderingInSC



We all know time and time again, that you want the murderer, if it is the man in question, go free for life. That is why the US is relying on true justice - not the justice in your deranged mind.. Adding on Beth Holloway's statement, as well, confirmed that some minds are sicker than others.... . JMO

Justice for Michelle, Natalee and others who deserve to rest in peace when their murderers are convicted.... which will be justice.

I will never want a false conviction for " closure" so when an innocent person is spared a conviction...I call it Justice. JMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by ReedJ
The best Justice I've seen in this case is that after 10 months JY is free and with his daughter.

IMO

That is Justice

The child's words only hinted at the horror upstairs, IMO.

During these past 10 months, Jason should take the hint and Confess.

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by purple


If anyone was lying, it was investigators, since that's the original source for the information.

If investigators/LE were lying, I believe they would have been sued by MM and SM. I believe MM has already conceded to having had a romantic relationship/affair with JY.

IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


The child's words only hinted at the horror upstairs, IMO.

During these past 10 months, Jason should take the hint and Confess.

LOL. It's nice to have dreams.;) imo

[lilismom]

Originally posted by willow_1


Believe me ,it won't come out that there was any thing between MM and JY.


Ok. I guess we'll see. One last thought on the subject before I go....

I also wonder why MM isn't contacting people to say what it really was then? She was dragged into this mess as being the woman who had some kind of relationship with a dead woman's husband. I think I would find away to clear my own name. Eh, maybe I wouldn't, especially if my husband was moving past it. Maybe she's waiting for it all to come out in the wash? Maybe she's over it and moving on?

Maybe we should all do the same, on this subject anyway.


IMO,
Lilismom

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
You think the media would be sued for calling it an affair when it wasn't?

No, because their info came from LE.

IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by agathachristie



Hey, Reed . Aggie here. You know I've never denied your claim .
I love all the men in my life, husband , sons , brothers . But , let's face it, it's ALWAYS their fault ! :D

LOL. You watch pretty much any case where a woman is on trial and that's the way it seems to go. Juries eat that stuff up .....Mary Winkler style. You can kill your kids or husband and walk with no time or a lesser. I think the same mentality carries over when a man is accused of a crime....No evidence required to convict him. IMO:seeya:

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by purple


How many times do you need the direct quote posted before you accept it for what it is?

I think I can safely say that he is never going to accept it. I think I can also safely say that it doesn't matter if he believes it or not. It only matters what the actual evidence shows. imo

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by ReedJ


LOL. It's nice to have dreams.;) imo

I doubt Jason is having any of those.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by tiny paw-prints


I doubt Jason is having any of those.

I doubt the Fishers are. IMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by Princess


This princess has been a LONG time lurker on this board. I believe that Jason was having an AFFAIR with MM. No matter what the coven says. Relationship, affair, who cares which word they want to use. We know she admitted it. Jason's free days are limited. I'm sure he's looking over his shoulder everyday, wondering when the arrest will be made. We can only hope that it won't be when he's at his sister's home with C. Fortunately, I don't usually feel the need to post here, just have all the baiters on ignore and read the real discussions.

Back to the castle....




LOL. I think it's the DA who fears a trial more than JY and his lawyers. IMO. Given that the DA has to actually prove their case I would bet we won't see a trial against JY BUT if we did he'd be victorious or set a world record for hung juries. lol. IMO

BTW . The prince is probably cheating on You.:biggrin: JMO

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Hey, you are the one claiming LE said it and that you provided a direct quote.

LE didn't say it. The media did.

ut oh.

Busted:D

[WonderingInSC]

Originally posted by ReedJ


I will never want a false conviction for " closure" so when an innocent person is spared a conviction...I call it Justice. JMO

THat is why the LE is waiting in both cases, and many others, to make sure there is no reasonable doubt for the correct person to be tried and convicted. I have asked you this many times under your many names - who do you think could have possibly killed Michelle? For some reason you don't have an alternative suspect?
hmmmm - no other search warrants, no other MO's?

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by WonderingInSC


THat is why the LE is waiting in both cases, and many others, to make sure there is no reasonable doubt for the correct person to be tried and convicted. I have asked you this many times under your many names - who do you think could have possibly killed Michelle? For some reason you don't have an alternative suspect?
hmmmm - no other search warrants, no other MO's?

What are You talking about. I've said many times I believe it was an intruder like in the Petit case. JMO

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by purple


I find it very interesting that a newspaper is making a correction and hoping that all the courttv forum people know about it. There has to be some connection - but that's just my opinion.

Likewise, I think it's interesting how many posts have been removed from this courttv forum about the case. Steve Huff's blog about the case also redacted quotes from here.

I think there's been quite a few threats having been made about this case. That certainly would add chaos and confusion to a murder investigation and also make it a complex one.

[Dida]

To paraphrase something Murphy Brown once said, would someone please get a ruler and declare a winner? TIA

[WonderingInSC]

Originally posted by ReedJ


What are You talking about. I've said many times I believe it was an intruder like in the Petit case. JMO

From the start, the LE said it was not a random killing and that Michelle knew her killer. Doesn't that point to someone we all know is the culprit?

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0
Not if LE never said that.

The Sheriff clearly inferred it with his comment for people to use their common sense (might be paraphrased).

"Romantic relationship", has now been characterized as "relationship", (in quotes) but the meaning couldn't be clearer, just for the fact that the word is in quotation marks.

My personal opinion is that the "relationship" is being euphemistically characterized due to the friendship which existed between the parties, and perhaps to respect the memory of Michelle Young and the repentance of Michelle Money for her betrayal of her murdered friend.

I believe JY will ultimately be arrested and tried, and that MM will testify to the kind of "relationship" she had with JY.

IMO

[WonderingInSC]

Originally posted by willow_1


Actually some people were down at the lake yesterday and said it was being talked around town.I gather there is a lot being talked around town ,but I won't go into that.

Hello
Are you saying that in Ohio people are talking about this case or are you connected to people in Raleigh/CAry who are discussing it. Would love to hear more. This affair thing is getting tiresome
ho-hum.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by purple


It's very counter productive. I would hope that everyone is interested in seeing this case solved, but I'm not so sure that's the case when Jason's romantic relationship with MM is the point that is argued forever. It makes it all about Jason, whereas the point of the relationship is that it makes Jason a likely suspect. It's unfortunate, but that's how it looks. No one wants Jason to be a likely suspect, but twisting the facts won't change them.

Well, if you think it's very counter-productive now, it can become much more counter productive during trial proceedings. IMO.

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by WonderingInSC


From the start, the LE said it was not a random killing and that Michelle knew her killer. Doesn't that point to someone we all know is the culprit?

From the start LE said that because their first instinct was to nail the husband. It's Police 101 to put pressure on the husband but JY stood firm. At that time they had not checked out JY's alibi, they could not say it was not an intruder and been 100% about that. Police use the media to get what they want and some people realize that and some don't. IMO

[WonderingInSC]

Originally posted by purple


snipped I don't know the guy, but I wouldn't waste time defending a stranger that most likely murdered his pregnant wife, refuses to cooperate with police, betrayed his marriage with a friend of his deceased wife, threw away his life and ran home to mommy immediately after his wife's murder. Something isn't right.

Great synopsis. Sounds like the opening statement of the prosecuting atty... at the trial. :beer:

[ReedJ]

Originally posted by WonderingInSC


Great synopsis. Sounds like the opening statement of the prosecuting atty... at the trial. :beer:

God I pray that is their opening statement.lol. " Refuses to co-operate" can You say Mistrial boys and girls.imo

Sweet Justice

( Not to mention the rest is just opinion and no evidence of murder) LOL

[Amy]

Originally posted by Andy Taylor


"It" is a 'she"

Iggie does not work willow. She is such a constant disruption, the daily thread get totally side tracked with pure BS.

The thread does not get sidetracked if no one responds to the "BS" being posted. People either have her on iggy, and do not read, so do not get distracted or irritated, or they pass right by the posts. They are only distractions if you respond to them.

[Dida]

Everyone is going to believe what they believe about whether or not there was an "affair". Does anyone really think that they are suddenly going to provide an argument that convinces someone who believes differently?

jmo

[WonderingInSC]

Originally posted by ReedJ


From the start LE said that because their first instinct was to nail the husband. It's Police 101 to put pressure on the husband but JY stood firm. At that time they had not checked out JY's alibi, they could not say it was not an intruder and been 100% about that. Police use the media to get what they want and some people realize that and some don't. IMO

ok, we are back at Groundhog day again. Statistically the husband is the first POI. The LE has not stated publicly that JY is the POI or the suspect. They are just getting their info in a line so they can convict whoever. But they are saying it is not random and that the neighborhood is somewhat safe.

As you recall, the LE has interviewed hundreds of people, have looked into JY's alibi... he did a good job of covering for himself, but somehow, the LE has not given search warrants to MF or any of the other people "close to MY" that we know of. Maybe they have, but they are not telling the media.

Too much info has been given, some as rumors, some as truth, that JY probably did do it. I wish on my own life that it was not him. No one wants to believe that a husband could kill his wife and child. No one. Even those who do think he did. It would be so nice for all for some stranger to come out of the blue and confess. Somehow that will not happen....JMO

[lilismom]

Originally posted by willow_1


Because MM is a woman with class and she doesn't have to justify to any body what her relationship was with MYand JY.IMO

Her relationship with MY is not the one in question.

Class? We'll see, when we know for sure I guess.

Since I don't know for 100% certain what their relationship was, and this can be argued til the cows come home and is currently at the silly point, I'm done discussing it. At least for now.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Dida]

Originally posted by lilismom


Her relationship with MY is not the one in question.

Class? We'll see, when we know for sure I guess.

Since I don't know for 100% certain what their relationship was, and this can be argued til the cows come home and is currently at the silly point, I'm done discussing it. At least for now.

IMO,
Lilismom

I'm with you. Next topic please.

[Dida]

Originally posted by willow_1


That wasn't what the people said at the lake I was on.Actually these people couldn't understand why there wasn't charges brought ,when the money was taken from Cassies fund.They like a certain poster on this board had heard about that also. They wondered who knew who ,that stopped the charges. IMO

Fine, I will even talk about that. What do we know about the money that was allegedly taken from the memorial fund for CY?

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Fireflies


I feel great that you ~think~ LE is hot on JY's trail.

It will make the final outcome far more satisfying for those of us on the side of justice for Michelle and son.


I don't think that's a fair statement. I think we're all on the side of justice. Just because I don't see things the way you and others do and think that MF killed her sister, doesn't mean I don't want justice for Michelle.

When someone is arrested and the evidence is finally all in and made public, we'll still all be on the same side.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Hey Paula]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

LE never called it a romantic relationship.

LE never called it an affair.

So that info didn't come from LE.

And that is why the article was changed.

I'm using this as an example of the meaning of their "relationship". Obviously, they are not referring to the friendship between the parties, or they wouldn't be questioning whether or not MY was aware of the relationship.

I believe MM has confirmed the kind of "relationship" she had with JY, when she was characterized as cooperating with LE.

EXCERPT #1:

Earlier warrants state that Jason Young was having a relationship with one of his wife's sorority sisters, who lives in Florida, for at least three months prior to Michelle Young's death. None of the court documents say whether Michelle Young was aware of that relationship.

http://html.wral.com/news/local/story/1201054/

EXCERPT #2:

Warrants also indicate that Jason Young had a relationship with Michelle Money, of Ocoee, Fla., for a period of about three months before Michelle Young's death. Investigators confirmed the relationship with Money, who said she and Jason Young had corresponded daily via phone and e-mail, the warrants said.

Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison said Money has been cooperative with investigators. Sources tell WRAL that she attended North Carolina State University with the Youngs and also attended Michelle Young's funeral.

http://html.wral.com/news/local/story/1085235/

[Dida]

Originally posted by lilismom



I don't think that's a fair statement. I think we're all on the side of justice. Just because I don't see things the way you and others do and think that MF killed her sister, doesn't mean I don't want justice for Michelle.

When someone is arrested and the evidence is finally all in and made public, we'll still all be on the same side.

IMO,
Lilismom

Thank you, lilismom. I am not here to convince anyone that what I believe is true, or to have my opinions be the only ones. I am here because this murder is one of the most tragic things I've ever known about. A caring, intelligent, beautiful, pregnant woman with a baby daughter is dead. Could everyone please just keep that in mind. TIA

jmo

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by ALTER EG0

LE never called it a romantic relationship.

LE never called it an affair.

So that info didn't come from LE.

And that is why the article was changed.

At time of trial, it will be interesting to hear how MM defines it:

acquaintance
friendship
relationship
affair
extramarital relationship-affair

IIRC, she and Jason have known each other since their college days at NCSU.

During those days, maybe they were just friends and later that friendship evolved into a relationship that then transformed into an emotional affair that later involved a sexual-encounter?

[Dida]

Have either of you noticed that everyone else has gone away? Or maybe that's the point?

[Dida]

Originally posted by Fireflies


How disappointing! You toss out tidbits about MF's embezzlement, er, ~borrowing~ from Michelle's child and then you :chicken:

He didn't toss out anything. Willow brought it up, but she hasn't posted in the last little while.

So, do you have anything to add to the discussion? Because the bickering is really tiresome.

jmo

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Fireflies


How disappointing! You toss out tidbits about MF's embezzlement, er, ~borrowing~ from Michelle's child and then you :chicken:

I'm still waiting to hear the results of your home-experiments.

1. strangulation?

2. dipping toddler socks in blood?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Fireflies


He originally brought it up.

Do you have anything to add to the discussion or are you wanting to avoid it as well?


I'm curious to know who posted about the rumor in February, that Michelle Money was pregnant.

[Dida]

Originally posted by Fireflies


He originally brought it up.

Do you have anything to add to the discussion or are you wanting to avoid it as well?

I said earlier I was willing discuss the alleged embezzlement. I don't have any information about it, other than the references I've seen here. Is there any real information about it?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally posted by Wyn



Tiny, I'm not sure the original posts are out there, but I recall it being discussed by a former poster who outed himself here and was banned.

Was that the poster who later outed it's anonymous self as a retired school teacher from Brevard and also posted his email addy?

I think the post, in February, in reference to MM's pregnancy might have been posted by an anonymous poster who was using the anonymous poster's computer who had later outed itself and was then ultimately banned?

[WonderingInSC]

Originally posted by HI_CYCLE
That was before the DNA come back. I do believe all has change since it has. New suspect or suspects.Remember these words"SUSPECT HAS CHANGED".
Now who do we know that has got their self a lawyer since it has?:confused:

Where did you read that the suspect has changed?