Kara Kopetsky,17,Belton, MO 05/04/07[?? poss.link to Kelsey Smith]

[StillHoping]

Kara's Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/findkarakopetsky)

Web (http://www.findkarakopetsky.com/index.html)

Possible link to Kelsey Smith???

[StillHoping]

If somebody already posted this, sorry.
I did a search and couldn't find one for her. And people have asked who she is on the Kelsey Smith threads.

[jtazzy]

Thank you StillHoping for posting this. I just sent her site to Kansas City news and asked them to do a follow up on her, that she is still missing. Told them of how her and Kelsey looked alike and went missing a month apart.

Please let's bring Kara home to help her parents, she needs this just as much.
Jeanne

[emmeblu]

What a beautiful young girl. I think LE definitely needs to look at the Kelsey Smith case. Strange that 2 young girls would go missing within a month of each other.

:rose: Sure hope this young lady is found safe.

:rose: Kelsey RIP

[LoLo321]

Good work. I hope somebody looks into this. :rose:

[jtazzy]

We just have to help Kara's parents keep this out in the public eye. Someone some where knows what happened and knows where she is...

:rose: For Kara

[StillHoping]

I'm really hoping that since Kelsey's case is getting so much attention, we can use that to the advantage of getting Kara's face and story out there. It's important to note here that Kara had gotten a Protective Order against her boyfriend very recent to her disappearance. But from what I understand, he has passed a lie detector test and has been cooperative with LE.

However, there is a possible sighting of Kara with a POI who looks a bit like the POI in Kelsey's case. Kara went missing from within 20 miles of where Kelsey was found.

Thanks everyone so much for helping get her story out. I hope NG and/or Greta will put her on their show.

[Carol]

Fox News just showed the mug shot of Edwin Hall, the man arrested for Kesley's murder. The resembalence to the picture of the man on Kara's website is INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please check it out.

[Kip]

I'd sure like to know where Edwin Hall was the day Kara went missing.

The sighting of Kara and a guy was at a fast food restaurant. Three of the workers were sure it was her. The police did the sketch of the guy from the workers' descriptions. It seems odd though that no mention was made of the surveillance video from the restaurant.

[dulcinea]

It seems like now they would go back to the restaurant with a photo lineup and see if the employees pick out Edwin Hall. I'm just not very convinced this was Kara they saw. If it was I don't think this has anything to do with Kelsey and her murderer because Kelsey probably died immediately. The sighting of Kara was like three weeks after she went missing.

[Carol]

Kara's parents are talking on Fox right now. 12:24pm CDT

[cincy_girl]

Edwin Hall does bear some resemblances to the sketch that was drawn up. I was also thinking they need to go show those employees his photo in a lineup and see if they pick him out.

I put this comparison photo together so you can see them side by side.

Comparison Photo (http://us.f13.yahoofs.com/bc/460571e8m1207db91/bc/My+Documents/Photos/kara_comp.png?bf9SEaGBZC.40I4y)

I hope they find her.

[jtazzy]

I heard that LE is (I think of the fox channel not sure) is going to use their resources they still have from Kelsey and look for Kara... Please let this be true...

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by jtazzy
I heard that LE is (I think of the fox channel not sure) is going to use their resources they still have from Kelsey and look for Kara... Please let this be true...

I PRAY PRAY PRAY that happens.

[dulcinea]

I heard an officer say (on a FOX interview) that they have no reason to believe Kelsey and Kara's cases are linked but that they are interested in talking to Hall. IF he is connected to both girls, I wonder if he will try to use that as a bargaining chip. What I mean is, will he say "I'll tell you about Kara if you do "X" for me."

[Luzianne]

Local law enforcement has said repeatedly that they have no reason to believe that Kelsey's and Kara's cases are related in any way.

The cable networks seem to be picking this up and running with it, but every time I hear it on local (Kansas City) news, they say there is no connection.

[txsage]

Luzianne, heh, cause CTV posters are e-mailing them! ;)

[PrimeTimeMom]

Originally posted by Luzianne
Local law enforcement has said repeatedly that they have no reason to believe that Kelsey's and Kara's cases are related in any way.

The cable networks seem to be picking this up and running with it, but every time I hear it on local (Kansas City) news, they say there is no connection.

How the heck do they know there is no connection unless they investigate? I think there is a high probability there is a connection here. The difference is that Kara's abduction was not caught on tape.

[emmeblu]

I sure hope there will be some new information to come forward on the Kara case. Praying that her family will find her.
:rose:

[jtazzy]

LE is saying that they don't think that there is any connection, BUT they are looking at all aspects... They are still going to use what is avaiable to them to look.

They can't turn their backs on Kara.. I'm sorry but there is too much alike on the POI (the one arrested for Kelsey) not to look at Kara.

It is too close to where she lived at not too.. They also need to look in the areas him and his wife lived at (they moved around alot) to see if there are others.

He has done this before..my gut tells me that.

We have to bring Kara home...

To the ones of you that are experience (sp) in this please tell me what I can do to help. I have already emailed Kansas news (and I'm from Florida) joined Kara's myspace and emailed them..

I am willing to do what ever!!!
Thank you
Jeanne

[PrimeTimeMom]

Kara deserves to be found, Her family is in mourning and they need some help to find her. Let's energize to find Kara!

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by DaPlane
I was very happy to see Kara's parents on Greta's show tonight.

I missed that. I had a farewell party to attend.
Can anyone give a recap?
Her parents must be devastated right now.

[StillHoping]

I don't mean to imply that I feel 100% sure that Edwin Hall was involved with Kara's disappearance, I just think it's way too early, with too many similarities to rule it out yet.

[Kip]

Edwin "Jack" Hall stayed home during the day taking care of his son while his wife went to work. He had a night job. I wonder if the child goes to pre-school. That would have Hall free during the morning hours when Kara went missing. If the son didn't go to pre-school, he could have been playing at a friend's house. Or visiting his grandparents. Don't Jack's parents live a few miles from where Kelsey's body was found?

[jtazzy]

StillHoping, that would be great if that poster from WS could get them to search for Kara.

I actually go a message back from Kara's myspace thanking me for acknowledeging her and for us not forgetting her and for keeping her name out there for them...

[jtazzy]

:read: Just show me what to do and I will sure help to do it...

[obi]

Some questions:
Anyone know whether or not that they found any video of her at the school or anywhere else?
Have the parents gone thru everything to narrow down what she had with her?
Has anything been found that she had with her. (On the road, in the woods, etc.)?
Did she drive?
If so, did they find her car?
Did LE attempt triangulating cell phone pings (if possible)?
Is the ex BF being investigated more than just being given a polygraph exam?
What was the reason for the RO? IOWs what is the real story?
Has she ever gone off before?
Has there been any other sightings besides the one?
TIA

[StillHoping]

Looking for volunteers to help with a command post dedicated to
getting the word out about Kara's disappearance. There will be a
meeting for any volunteers who would like to help. The meeting will be located at the Price Chopper in Belton.
Tuesday at 5:00 pm.
(address: 1833 E North Ave. Belton MO 64012)

The Kara Kopetsky Fund has been established at:
The Bank of Belton.
204 Main Street, Belton, MO 64012 phone number: (816) 331-4888

Support Rally for the family of Kara Kopetsky
Prayer and Support
Passing out of Flyers
Donation Drop
Saturday, June 9th 9:00am-12:00 noon
Sunday, June 10th 1:00pm-4:00pm
Location: Grandview Assembly of God Gymnasium
12400 Grandview Road
Grandview, MO 64030
(Gym is located behind the church on the west side).

I also wanted to let everyone know that a few people have posted blogs and message boards

at myfoxkc.com for Kara and we need help keep her name out there til she is home.

Help us to keep the pressure on the media and police.

Blog:

http://community.myfoxkc.com/boards/topic.aspx?topic_id=7040&page_no=1#post5563 (http://community.myfoxkc.com/blogs/cherokee316/2007/06/07/Kara_Kopetsky_is_still_missing#comments,Here

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by obi
Some questions:
Anyone know whether or not that they found any video of her at the school or anywhere else?
Have the parents gone thru everything to narrow down what she had with her?
Has anything been found that she had with her. (On the road, in the woods, etc.)?
Did she drive?
If so, did they find her car?
Did LE attempt triangulating cell phone pings (if possible)?
Is the ex BF being investigated more than just being given a polygraph exam?
What was the reason for the RO? IOWs what is the real story?
Has she ever gone off before?
Has there been any other sightings besides the one?
TIA

I have asked some of Kara's friends on Myspace to join us to help answer some of these questions and get people involved. Hopefully, they will join us.

I believe it was reported that her cell phone was left in her locker at school.

[StillHoping]

Comment to one of Kara's friends blogs on myspace:

you are exactly right b/c i have a friend in Kansas that works in the DA's office and actually there are probably atleast 3 more girls that he has been stalking in the area but all of the details are about to unfold unfortunately. i would like to hope that kara just ran away but it doesn't look good now that he was finally caught after one of his STALKS went bad on tape at target. thank god for this guy's neighbor for CARING and making the call to capture the suspect and thank god for target. he just got desperate and his sick fantasies got out of control, and that also makes me think that there are many more victims. all that i can say is ted bundy and that is how he got caught.

Posted by :) on Friday, June 08, 2007 at 10:18 AM

Will have to wait and see what details come out shortly.

[ferretplay]

The two POIs look way alike.If they aren't the same person,then they are twins or brothers.Looking at the pictures,I truly believe they are the same person.:eek:

[Justice4Some]

I have seen way too many of these types of cases to believe in coincidences.

The POI in the sketch looks almost exactly like well-known creep, Edwin "Jack" Hall. This sketch was done before Kelsey went missing & video of said creep was released so doesn't it stand to reason that he is at the very least involved in Kara's disappearance.

Kara & Kelsey, both around 17 ( the age of Hall's wife when they met) are similar in build & coloring (again the wife is a brunette as well)....I'm going to go out on a limb & predict that the girls that have reported stalking incidents in recent weeks are young brunettes too.


I think LE (in most cases) are experienced enough & knowlegable enough to make all these connections. I have complete faith that they are looking into everything & everyone connected to the creep. Maybe they don't want to scare off potential accomplices by blabbing everything to the media.

I read on another thread that LE searched both the Hall's home & the home of his brother-in-law. I have a feeling those searches have little to do with Kelsey & everything to do with Kara &/or others.

I will be hoping the searches lead to Kara's safe return. If not, I pray the searches result in mounds of evidence against anyone involved in this nightmare!

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by obi
Some questions:
Anyone know whether or not that they found any video of her at the school or anywhere else?
Have the parents gone thru everything to narrow down what she had with her?
Has anything been found that she had with her. (On the road, in the woods, etc.)?
Did she drive?
If so, did they find her car?
Did LE attempt triangulating cell phone pings (if possible)?
Is the ex BF being investigated more than just being given a polygraph exam?
What was the reason for the RO? IOWs what is the real story?
Has she ever gone off before?
Has there been any other sightings besides the one?
TIA

I have asked some of these questions to a friend of Kara's and he gave me some answers. However, I promised him that I would not post any of our conversations w/out his consent. So I am just waiting on that. Until then, I will only say that he personally believes her disappearance has to do with Kara's boyfriend, although he doesn't rule out Edwin Hall.

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by Justice4Some
I have seen way too many of these types of cases to believe in coincidences.

The POI in the sketch looks almost exactly like well-known creep, Edwin "Jack" Hall. This sketch was done before Kelsey went missing & video of said creep was released so doesn't it stand to reason that he is at the very least involved in Kara's disappearance.

Kara & Kelsey, both around 17 ( the age of Hall's wife when they met) are similar in build & coloring (again the wife is a brunette as well)....I'm going to go out on a limb & predict that the girls that have reported stalking incidents in recent weeks are young brunettes too.


I think LE (in most cases) are experienced enough & knowlegable enough to make all these connections. I have complete faith that they are looking into everything & everyone connected to the creep. Maybe they don't want to scare off potential accomplices by blabbing everything to the media.

I read on another thread that LE searched both the Hall's home & the home of his brother-in-law. I have a feeling those searches have little to do with Kelsey & everything to do with Kara &/or others.

I will be hoping the searches lead to Kara's safe return. If not, I pray the searches result in mounds of evidence against anyone involved in this nightmare!

I feel the same way, but I fluctuate between thinking Hall was involved and that he BF was involved. There are some similarities to the Carrie Culberson case. Hopefully I will have more info later.

Anyone in the Belton, MO area, please join the search and rallies. This girl needs to be brought home.

[StillHoping]

Kara disappeared from Belton, MO on May 4, 2007. She was last seen leaving Belton High School. Kara does not have a car, so she would have either been on foot or someone was there to pick her up.



Kara is 17 years old and would have just finished her junior year in high school. She is 5' 5", with brown hair and hazel eyes. As you can tell from the pictures, she is known to change her hair color. She no longer has braces as seen in some of the pictures.





Friday, May 4, 2007

The morning started out just like any other morning. Kara decided to walk to school just a few blocks away instead of having her mom drive her. Later that morning, she called her mom to bring her a book for one of her classes that she had fogotten at home. Kara also asked her mom to wash her work clothes since she had to work that afternoon after school. Mom took the book up to school and left it in the office for Kara to pick up later. At some point after that Kara got the book from the office.



What happened next remains a mystery.



Kara did come home from school that day and did not show up for work that afternoon. Her mom and stepdad called her repeatedly and called around looking for her before reporting her missing that evening.



It has been confirmed that the last phone call on her cell phone was about 10:30 that morning. Since then, the police have determined that either the cell phone has been shut off or the battery has run down. In addition to that, there has been no activity on her bank account and nothing is missing from her house. All of her clothes, belongings, and IPOD are still in her room.



The police and family have talked to her friends and no one has seen or had contact with Kara since she disappeared.



Thursday, May 17, 2007

Three persons reported seeing Kara at a gas station/Burger King in Louisburg, KS along with a young male. Unfortuately the video survelllance equipment was not in working order and this sighting could not be confirmed.



May 17th to present

The police department has followed up on leads as they have come in, but none have led them to find Kara.

[zone]

I wonder if it would hurt to question him about Bianca Piper's disappearance since Devlin has been ruled out.

[StillHoping]

Is it true that Kara had gotten a Restraining Order against her boyfriend (Kylr?) prior to going missing? If so, what is the story behind that? Do you think that he's involved? What does your gut tell you about it?

1. Yes, he kiddnapped her a couple of days before she wnet missing, I would know, becasue I was one of the people that saved her after she had to jump out of a moving truck to escape him.
2.Yes, I think he is involved. Even if it wasn't directly him that did this, he WAS with her the day she went missing, and he has tried to hide that. Why hide it if there is nothing that could get you in trouble? If anything, he could at least say were he dropped her off at, right?

Do you personally feel that Edwin Hall could have been involved?

4.Edwin being ivolved, to me, is possiblity over probability. He might have done it, but most likly not. I don't think he did.

Do you think Kara ran away? I don't. But you know her and your oppinion is valuable.

5. She didn't run away. She would have used her phone to call somedody for a place to stay, used her bank account for money, or at least signed in to her myspace somehow, jsut to see if anybody cared she went missing. She HAS ran away before, and she answered every call that she received.... And for some reason, this time, she doesn't....

[StillHoping]

Link to story about Kylr (http://kmbz-am.fimc.net/goout.asp?u=http://www.nbcactionnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=9C1ABB17-6DEE-4E8B-A773-63B3E0C42B79&gsa=true)

[StillHoping]

:flamemad:

Statistics show that one in three teenagers have experienced violence in a dating relationship. In dating violence, one partner tries to maintain power and control over the other through some kind of abuse. Dating violence crosses all economic, racial and social lines; most victims are young women who are also at higher risk for serious injury.

Women ages 16 to 24 experience the highest per capita rates of intimate violence -- nearly 20 per 1000 women. (Bureau of Justice Special Report: Intimate Partner Violence, May 2001)

Young women need a dating safety plan. (Intimate violent partner - so that includes homosexual dating). Teen dating violence often is hidden because teenagers typically:
Are inexperienced with dating relationships.
Want independence from parents.
Have romanticized views of love.
Are pressured by peers to have dating relationships.

Teen dating violence is influenced by how teenagers look at themselves and others. Young men may believe:
They have the right to "control" their female partners in any way necessary.
“Masculinity” is physical aggressiveness
They "possess" their partner.
They should and can demand intimacy.
They may lose respect if they are attentive and supportive toward their girlfriends.

Young women may believe:
They are responsible for solving problems in their relationships
Their boyfriend's jealousy, possessiveness and even physical abuse, is "romantic."
Abuse is "normal" because their friends are also being abused.
They think they can "cure" the abusive boyfriend
There is no one to ask for help.

Common clues that indicate a teenager may be experiencing dating violence:
Physical signs of injury
Truancy, and or dropping out of school
Failing grades
Changes in mood or personality
Use of drugs/alcohol -- where there was no prior use
Emotional outburst
Isolation from friends and family



More at Link (http://www.coolnurse.com/dating_violence.htm)

[StillHoping]

Here (http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/13319870/detail.html)
Includes Video

Here (http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/13473865/detail.html)

Here (http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/13470960/detail.html)

Here (http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/13457510/detail.html)

[ecross1983]

I think it's a coincidence they disappeared at the same time...but I don't think the two are connected, just my opinion.

[txsage]

http://www.findkarakopetsky.com/

Her parents were on Geraldo last night. Pronounce her name CAR-A (not CARE-A, as I assumed).
Hope she is found soon!

[jtazzy]

:rose: For Kara

[txsage]

Here's a site for Missing......you can pin a ribbon for Kara. They have her featured right now.

http://www.operationfindachild.org/index.html

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by txsage
Here's a site for Missing......you can pin a ribbon for Kara. They have her featured right now.

http://www.operationfindachild.org/index.html

Thanks for posting this. It's such a sweet idea. I really enjoyed reading all of the ribbons for different missing kids.

[txsage]

it is a sweet way to remember ALL of them. Wish we had answers on how to stop the madness.

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by txsage
it is a sweet way to remember ALL of them. Wish we had answers on how to stop the madness.

Me too. I am just at the point in my life that I am really ready to be a mother. But the thought of bringing kids into the world now, scares the heck out of me. I'm not even a mom yet, and I already struggle with how to make my kids understand that the world is not safe, without taking away too many carefree kiddy days.

As LE gets smarter and technology gets better, it seems these killers and crazies get smarter too.

[amill]

So Kara disappeared AFTER she went to the office to retreive a book her mom dropped off at the school office? Or did Kara attend school all day, start walking home, and than disappeared since it says that she didn't attend work that day?

In my personal opinion, I don't think Edwin Hall had anything to do with Kara's disappearance. If Hall picked out females from random and simply 'acted' on impulse and killed them, how would he have scoped out Kara? The only way is if after school she was walking home and he just happened to be around the H.S. or targeting that area at that time and seen Kara walking home and abducted her. But to me in the Kelsey Smith case Edwin Hall had been probably been stalking Kelsey for at least a few days or up to a week and than acted when she left the target store.

How far is Belton, MO away from Halls town of residency? And how far is Overland Park from Belton,MO and Halls town? It just seems odd that Hall would drive too far to commit a murder, but than again killers aren't wired the way most normal people are.

[jtazzy]

Belton Mo and Overland Park are not that far away from each other. Where they found Kelsey at was only about 20 minutes from Belton from what I understand.

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by amill
So Kara disappeared AFTER she went to the office to retreive a book her mom dropped off at the school office? Or did Kara attend school all day, start walking home, and than disappeared since it says that she didn't attend work that day?


I have heard conflicting reports about Kara at school that day.

1. Kara called her mom and told her she was leaving school to pick up a book she forgot, and was not seen again.

2. Kara called her mom about the book, and her mom brought it to her.

3. Kara's friend has stated that Kara called him and wanted to hang out with him and a friend, and he told her "To stay in school". This same person states that he is POSITIVE Kara was with Kylr that day, though Kylr claims otherwise.

[StillHoping]

Link (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,279088,00.html)

I had been confused as I have heard different time frames as to when Kara was possibly sighted in Lewisberg, MO. But according to this story, it was May 4th, the same day she disappeared, and same day her cell and ATM stopped being used.

[txsage]

thanks, stillhoping

[dulcinea]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,279088,00.html

"Kara was last seen on the morning of May 2 at her high school, Beckford said. Kara had called her mother that morning to ask her to bring her history textbook to school and to wash her work uniform. But she never arrived at work that afternoon."

"Kara was reported spotted at an an area gas station in Lewisburg, Mo., on May 4, the same day her cell phone and debit card were last used."

It doesn't say who spotted Kara two days after she was last seen at school. I wonder if it's a reliable sighting.

[emmeblu]

I am having a hard time trying to understand when she was last seen and was her CC and cell phone used any after school that day.

The school, students and teachers should know if Kara attended all her classes that day. Also conflicting reports on if her cc and cell were used.

I hope this young girl is safe somewhere. I hate to say I hope she is a run away but at least she may still be alive somewhere.
I saw her parents on Geraldo and I really hate this for them. So sad.

Hope she is found soon and hope she is found safe.
:rose:

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by emmeblu
I am having a hard time trying to understand when she was last seen and was her CC and cell phone used any after school that day.The school, students and teachers should know if Kara attended all her classes that day. Also conflicting reports on if her cc and cell were used. :rose:

Me too. Per the Fox story that Dulcinea posted, Kara was last seen at school on May 2nd. But per findkarakopetsky.com she was last seen on May 4th. Per the news story I previously posted, Kara was spotted in Lewisberg on May 4th, but per find karakopetsky.com she was spotted on May 17th.

The one thing I am not confused on, is that her cell phone and CC haven't been used since the day she was last seen, whichever day that is.
When I have the chance I will see if Kara's friend can clear this up for me. I asked him another set of questions a couple days ago, but haven't had the chance to check and see if he's replied.

[jtazzy]

All these different dates are very confusing. I always thought the day was May 4th and the unconfirmed sighting was on the 17th :confused:

I really wish that we would hear something on her....

:rose: Kara

[Runaway Scholar]

Just watched KC metro news, the Belton police are finally releasing the last known video of Kara seen at school on May 4:

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3483112&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Even her family said they hadn't seen the video until now, although they knew it existed.

[txsage]

thanks, RS!
from that link, I found a blog, and then this :eek:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/747950459#body

Seems there are some who feel the Governor needs to apoint the Atty Gen to investigate, remove the case from Belton PD.
I'm not sure if this is open to anyone, or just Kansas residents.

[jtazzy]

that was a good video on Kara. I can't believe that we can't find her!!

[amill]

The video proves a good clothing description for the police but does little else to help the case. Does anyone know if the police questioned/talked to the girl seen in the video talking to Kara.

Just a few minutes ago on CNN, it reshowed the surveillance video and the news reporter said that Kara never returned home and never went to work that night, and it said a friend reported her missing. The news reporter also said about the video that Kara was headed towards an exit in the video. But the video's are not time stamped, so it goes back to the friend seen talking to Kara in the video, the police need to ask her approx. the time Kara is seen leaving the school, unless they already have.

Does anyone know which friend reported Kara missing? And what time did this friend report Kara missing?

[amill]

Kara's parents were on CNN just a bit ago, and said that they believe the reason Kara was heading toward the exit door in the school surveillance video was because Kara smoked and was possibly going outside to have a cigarette. And they also said that the video is approx. around 9-10 am in the morning. I want to know if Kara was in school the whole day, or if in actuality Kara was going home to get something or possibly ditching school and was headed home or leaving with somebody and disappeared from there.

[jtazzy]

I thought it was her parent's that reported her missing.
I also wonder if LE talked to the girl in the video. One time I heard that she went home but didn't make it work and today I read on here that she never made it to either place.

[amill]

CNN could be wrong, which wouldn't be a shocker since the media is sometimes biased in there reports. The lady reporter on CNN did say that 'Kara never made it home and later a friend reported Kara missing' but I'm not quoting those exact words but it was something to that effect. Also I believe it was her parents who said the footage on the surveillance video at school was dated on May 4th, and that was her last day anybody seen her, it was a Friday and than the following day, Saturday, her family went looking for her. Family also said that Kara had plans that weekend and they don't believe she ran away.

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by amill
Kara's parents were on CNN just a bit ago, and said that they believe the reason Kara was heading toward the exit door in the school surveillance video was because Kara smoked and was possibly going outside to have a cigarette. And they also said that the video is approx. around 9-10 am in the morning. I want to know if Kara was in school the whole day, or if in actuality Kara was going home to get something or possibly ditching school and was headed home or leaving with somebody and disappeared from there.

From what I understand Kara did go to school that day, but decided to cut class. At which time she called (anonymous person I have been speaking with) and asked if she could hang out with him and his friend, he said "No, stay in school". Apparently she decided to cut classes anyway, and possibly met up with Kylr.

I wonder if a picture of Kylr has been shown to the 3 people who claim to have seen Kara in Lewisberg.

[KittyMom]

I wonder if LE has video from the place where her cell and cc were used. It could show who used both and if it was Kara, if she was wearing the same clothing she disappeared in.

[Postergeist]

Originally posted by StillHoping


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The one thing I am not confused on, is that her cell phone and CC haven't been used since the day she was last seen, whichever day that is.


IRRC, I thought the news said that LE didn't search her locker until after she'd already been missing a week and that her cell phone was found IN her locker....(and maybe her debit card was in there as well??)

I can see a person stepping out for a quick smoke and not taking their purse, cell, etc. if you had a safe place to keep them for the 10 minutes or less (maybe) that it takes to smoke.

Are there any exterior video of the school parking lot that shows any sort of vehicle leaving during the time she was last seen?

[KittyMom]

I watched Greta last night on FOX and she spoke with LE by phone. She asked if there was any video of the parking lot outside of the door that Kara left by. He said that that particular door did not have video from outside the parking lot.

It was also said that her home was within walking distance of the school and she would sometimes walk to school. LE also said she had a history of leaving class and not returning.

[jtazzy]

You know that is something that has been bothering me is the boyfriend. Like (I believe it was Cat) said that yes the bf did pass the lie detector test, but you know and I know that 1. they are not that good 2. If you are really good at lying YOU CAN pass them. My brother use to pass them all the time because he KNEW how to pass them.

I have a friend that took a Xanax an hour before he took his for a job interview and he passed.
jmo

[txsage]

Bumping this up.
Hope there's news soon.

[StillHoping]

From my conversations with a friend of Kara's:

Some questions:
Anyone know whether or not that they found any video of her at the school or anywhere else? 1. Yes, she was last seen with my friend, Timmy, at a water fountain. He said she was normal as ever, no odd signs.

Have the parents gone thru everything to narrow down what she had with her? I'm not sure how detailed they have narrowed down her supplies, but they know she left her brand new Ipod, and her phone charger.

Has anything been found that she had with her. (On the road, in the woods, etc.)? Not that I know of.

Did Law Enforcement attempt triangulating cell phone pings (if possible)? Her cell phone has had NO activity since she vanished.

Is the ex BF being investigated more than just being given a polygraph exam? Not as much as he should be, I know he knows something.

What was the reason for the Restraining Order? Was it the kidnapping incident, or were there other things that happened? The kidnapping. He took her for about 3-4 miles before she jumped out of his moving truck. I was there 5 min after, ready to beat the "expletive" piss out of him, but he left.

Has there been any other sightings besides the one?
Not that I know of.

[StillHoping]

Note to all interested in Kara's case, there is another friend of Kara's at WS posting as Find Kara Kopetsky.

[txsage]

This is from an article re Kelsey Smith's cell phone still missing:

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=04AA319F1B0A5C47B2DA976A267AEC7B ?contentId=3537155&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

They report sources who say LE has not been able to link Kara's disappearance to Kelsey.

[jtazzy]

:rose: For Kara

[PandaBear]

Lord this is terrible.

:rose: for Kara.


Does anyone have the comparison photos of the sketch and Hall still saved that could post a link again? The others aren't working apparently.

Thanks!

[jtazzy]

:rose: Bump for Kara...you will never be forgotten. We will find you and bring you home....

[jtazzy]

:rose: Kara, my you come home one day. You will not be forgotten.

[StillHoping]

JEFFERSON CITY - Gov. Matt Blunt today requested that Attorney General Jay Nixon join the efforts of law enforcement to help find Kara Kopetsky, a teenager from Belton, who went missing on May 4. Here (http://www.nbcactionnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=3496baf1-4627-4d11-9462-51dd2e543382)

I was worried because interest in Kara's case seemed to be dying down. But this is good news. Looks like over 700 signatures on the petition to get the state of MO involved in Kara's case.

We haven't forgotten you Kara, we're still trying to bring you home. :rose:

[jtazzy]

:beer: Thank you God that they are going to take this serious and start helping find her...

:rose: Kara we have not forgotten you, we will bring you home!!

[StillHoping]

A poster at WS boards said they have gotten a group of 50+ young people (ages 18-25) together to search for Kara at Longview Lake. Most of these "kids" helped or volunteered to help search for Kelsey Smith. However, LE has told them that they can not search as it would compromise evidence.

If they think there might be "evidence" there, then why aren't they searching there themselves? If Kara is a runaway as they seem to insist, there is no "evidence" to compromise.

I do understand that it's important to conserve evidence, especially if there is a hope of conviction. But I don't see how doing this search is really any different than passing out flyers or just keeping your eyes open when walking through field, etc. Basically, I don't see any reason for them not to allow the search, unless they believe Kara or other evidence is there.

[jtazzy]

Still, that isn't right...

I understand about the evidence also, but they should be allowed to search there. They should be able to search where ever to help find her.

WHY aren't they searching that area if they won't let the teens search there:cuss:

[Racin Fan]

Originally posted by jtazzy
Still, that isn't right...

I understand about the evidence also, but they should be allowed to search there. They should be able to search where ever to help find her.

WHY aren't they searching that area if they won't let the teens search there:cuss:

I just came across this story so this is my 1st post.

I find if very disturbing that there is nothing being reported on this case. If I was not on CTV I would never have heard about it. However I heard plenty on Kelsey Smith.

I don't understand how these kids putting together a search is any different then when a search is organized. When the missing mother Jessie Davis disappeared didn't like 1500 people show to search for her? You can't tell me that if they found her body that something would not have been destroyed. But the more important issue was finding her. How sad.

[jtazzy]

I agree Racin. Those kids need to be able to do their search. The LE doesn't seem to be doing it.

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by jtazzy
I agree Racin. Those kids need to be able to do their search. The LE doesn't seem to be doing it.


They did go ahead and do it. I read about it on Websleuths. I believe they searched until they got rained out and while they were out there they figured out how to do a better search time wise. They said they will be better organized on the next search.
I did read about them having a permit but were never asked to see it. Don't know who they got the permit from.

LE can't stop anyone from searching an area. The kids involved in this search helped search for Kelsey so they were instructed and know not to compremise any evidence. I say good for them for getting out there and looking. At least they are doing something and that is more then LE is doing.

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by PandaBear
Lord this is terrible.

:rose: for Kara.


Does anyone have the comparison photos of the sketch and Hall still saved that could post a link again? The others aren't working apparently.

Thanks!



I would really like to see them too. I hope that if someone has them they will be kind enough to post them. Wasn't Kara seen somewhere with the guy in the sketch like a Subway or somewhere like tht? I wonder why no one has recognized the guy in the sketch?

[jtazzy]

:rose: For Kara

I am glad the kids did a search for her. I am praying that she is brought home so her family can have closure.

I looked for the link but couldn't find it for the sketch.

[StillHoping]

Everything has been pretty quiet concerning Kara. Which upsets me. We need to keep her in the media. I will check the WS boards and see if I can find an update about more searches at the Longview Lake area.

[StillHoping]

Not much to report per the WS boards. A poster name BuseyLady had organized the search efforts at Longview Lake. She unfortunately had a medical emergency and has had to put this off for the moment, but is looking forward to being able to form another search soon.

I will also be looking for some updated articles on Kara, if I can find them.

[StillHoping]

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[StillHoping]

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[jtazzy]

Originally posted by StillHoping
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[StillHoping]

Originally posted by jtazzy


I wish we lived there, my husband and I would do this poker run..

My fiance would jump at the chance, just to play, and even better that it would help someone who really needs help.
I am just so glad to see some things coming together in Kara's case. I have talked via internet with a couple of her friends and there was alot of frustration when Kelsey Smith got so much media, and Kara was a bit of an afterthought.

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by StillHoping


My fiance would jump at the chance, just to play, and even better that it would help someone who really needs help.
I am just so glad to see some things coming together in Kara's case. I have talked via internet with a couple of her friends and there was alot of frustration when Kelsey Smith got so much media, and Kara was a bit of an afterthought.

That has been something that has brother me so much also. Not saying that Kelsey didn't deserve it but darn't so does Kara....

[Mojen]

The Long John Silvers in Lee's Summit used to have one of Kara's posters in the drive thru window. It's gone now. The clerk had no idea why. :confused:

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by Mojen
The Long John Silvers in Lee's Summit used to have one of Kara's posters in the drive thru window. It's gone now. The clerk had no idea why. :confused:

That's interesting. I have heard of some high profile cases, in which posters have been taken down. Usually by a POI or someone associated with a POI. But it could be that it just fell down or behind something????

[Mojen]

Originally posted by StillHoping


That's interesting. I have heard of some high profile cases, in which posters have been taken down. Usually by a POI or someone associated with a POI. But it could be that it just fell down or behind something????

I don't think so. I specifically asked the drive thru worker why they had taken it down. She said she didn't know and sort of acted like she had no idea what poster I was talking about.

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by Mojen


I don't think so. I specifically asked the drive thru worker why they had taken it down. She said she didn't know and sort of acted like she had no idea what poster I was talking about.

That's strange. If I lived nearby, I would go hang another one right back up and see what happens.

Mind you, many people don't pay any attention to missing persons posters or ADVO cards. They just don't want to know about the bad things, or don't care. It's something that really upsets me, because you don't have anything to lose by just being educated and aware.

[jtazzy]

Has anyone talked to Kara's parents about calling Tim Miller with eq.search???
I was going to email them on their myspace last night but my computer kept freezing up and I can't do it here from work..
Jeanne

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by jtazzy
Has anyone talked to Kara's parents about calling Tim Miller with eq.search???
I was going to email them on their myspace last night but my computer kept freezing up and I can't do it here from work..
Jeanne

I know the suggestion was made on the WS boards. But Kara's friend who posts there as FindKaraKopetsky has not responded other than to say that she passed the information on to Kara's parents. To be honest, from what I've seen, it seems that alot of people are losing hope in this case. I hate to see that. Hope and faith are all we have right now.

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by StillHoping


I know the suggestion was made on the WS boards. But Kara's friend who posts there as FindKaraKopetsky has not responded other than to say that she passed the information on to Kara's parents. To be honest, from what I've seen, it seems that alot of people are losing hope in this case. I hate to see that. Hope and faith are all we have right now.

They can't loose hope and faith and neither can we. She will be found one day....

:rose: Kara, we think of you everyday. We pray that God shows/tells us where you are so we can bring you home...

[KittyMom]

http://www.kansascity.com/news/neighborhood/blue_springs/story/184390.html

Later this month, on July 21, Blue Springs Harley Davidson is sponsoring the Kara Kopetsky Open Bike Ride. Registration begins at 8:30 a.m. and the ride starts an hour later.

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by KittyMom
http://www.kansascity.com/news/neighborhood/blue_springs/story/184390.html



Thanks KittyMom, for the update. I really wish we could find Kara. You know I know that they don't think she has any link to the Edwards guy that killed Kelsey, but I still think he does. Maybe I 'm just grabbing at straws...

[Kip]

Originally posted by jtazzy


Thanks KittyMom, for the update. I really wish we could find Kara. You know I know that they don't think she has any link to the Edwards guy that killed Kelsey, but I still think he does. Maybe I 'm just grabbing at straws...

I agree - I think Edwards could be involved. It's just too coincidental that two young women about the same age go missing so close together (both time-wise and in the same geographic area).

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by Kip


I agree - I think Edwards could be involved. It's just too coincidental that two young women about the same age go missing so close together (both time-wise and in the same geographic area).

At this point, I'm not sure how I feel about Hall being involved. I do still think it's very possible.

What I do know, is that you could not convince me that Kelsey is the first person Hall hurt/killed. Things like that usually start out with rapes, killing animals, etc. I just don't think that Kelsey is the first person he killed, and if she was, I'd bet the bank that there is a long line of abuse and rapes etc.

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by StillHoping


At this point, I'm not sure how I feel about Hall being involved. I do still think it's very possible.

What I do know, is that you could not convince me that Kelsey is the first person Hall hurt/killed. Things like that usually start out with rapes, killing animals, etc. I just don't think that Kelsey is the first person he killed, and if she was, I'd bet the bank that there is a long line of abuse and rapes etc.

ITA!!! I just know that there is something there...it can't be just a coincendence.

[jtazzy]

In away he looks like edward but doesn't if that makes since....

This is so frustrating because there is hardly no coverage for Kara on the news...:rose:

[jtazzy]

:rose: Bumping for Kara!! She can not and will not be forgotten!!

We love you Kara

[StillHoping]

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[StillHoping]

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[mlwrivera]

Praying for answers for Kara's family~~~:rose:

[txsage]

hoping to hear something!

[jtazzy]

:rose: For Kara...come home!!

[StillHoping]

The only thing new that I've heard, is over on the WS boards, people are getting suspicious of Kara's stepfather. I haven't seen anything yet which really leads me to believe he may be involved in any way. I think over there, most of them are starting to wonder, because suggestions have been made to help get Equusearch or other organizations involved, and the family does not seem interested. It looks like Kara's friend who was posting there as findkarakopetsky, has either stopped posting, or stopped going to the forum all together.

Please note: I am not stating the above as my own oppinion, rather, I am just noting what I have seen being said on another forum.

I really hope this doesn't turn into one of those cases with finger pointing, etc. It will only take away from the efforts to find Kara. She really needs to come home now. This is all making me very sad.

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by Mojen


I don't think so. I specifically asked the drive thru worker why they had taken it down. She said she didn't know and sort of acted like she had no idea what poster I was talking about.

A poster on WS boards has said that she was raised in Olathe and just moved to Lawrence to attend KU. She has only seen ONE flyer down there at a bar called "The Hawk" but there were rude comments written all over it and it was eventually torn down. She has not seen any others.


I hate to say it, but it is not a good sign if Kara's posters are being vandalized and removed. A) Someone is purposely doing this, because they do not want Kara to be found. B) It is immature people who do not realize how horrible and disrespectful this is.
Either way, we need Kara's face out there, we need these posters to stay up. WHY are there not more posters in some of these area's where they should be EVERYWHERE????

[StillHoping]

I don't think this article was linked here yet.

Here (http://www.kansascity.com/238/story/198270.html)

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by StillHoping
The only thing new that I've heard, is over on the WS boards, people are getting suspicious of Kara's stepfather. I haven't seen anything yet which really leads me to believe he may be involved in any way. I think over there, most of them are starting to wonder, because suggestions have been made to help get Equusearch or other organizations involved, and the family does not seem interested. It looks like Kara's friend who was posting there as findkarakopetsky, has either stopped posting, or stopped going to the forum all together.

Please note: I am not stating the above as my own oppinion, rather, I am just noting what I have seen being said on another forum.

I really hope this doesn't turn into one of those cases with finger pointing, etc. It will only take away from the efforts to find Kara. She really needs to come home now. This is all making me very sad.

you know I was just going to say that I don't understand WHY they (the family) hasn't contacted Equusearch... this is so sad.

[StillHoping]

Not REALLY Kara related. But I found this article with a quote from Kylr Yust in it. Pretty sure it's him due to being Kansas City news and the spelling of the name.

Here (http://www.catholickey.org/index.php3?gif=news.gif&mode=view&issue=19990530&article_id=347)

[StillHoping]

Body of caucasion female pulled from Missouri River on 07-26-07 (http://www.kctv5.com/news/13766593/detail.html)

GOD,
Please don't let this be Kara, please let her come home safely. PLEASE.


Prayers for family of any missing persons who think this may be their loved one.

Does anyone know how far this is from Belton or from Lewisburg where Kara may have been last spotted?

[StillHoping]

Another link about body found in Missouri River (http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=3899669&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1)

[StillHoping]

Copied from this link. (http://www.crimenews2000.com/memorial/00052914pg2.htm)

In memory of these murdered and missing women
Kansas City, Missouri

Lana Alvarez
August, 1997 reported missing.
August 31, 1997 body found in Missouri River.

Chandra Helsel
April 17, 1997 reported missing.
May 7, 1997 body found in Missouri River.

Linda Custer
February, 1997 reported missing.
April 23, 1997 body found in Missouri River.

Connie Byas
October 1996 reported missing
April 22, 1997 found in Missouri River.

Wilmalee Manning
July 31, 1997 body found in Missouri River.

Sherri Livingston
February, 1997 reported missing.
March 29, 1997 found in the Missouri River.

Christy Fugate
September 1996 reported missing.
Oct. 15, 1996 found in Missouri River.

Tammie Smith
April 2, 1998 body found in Missouri River.

Maria Woods
March, 1998 body found in Missouri River.

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by kaylynn


According to mapquest, about 40miles.
:(

From Belton or Lewisberg/Louisberg (seen it spelled both ways, not sure which is correct) ?

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by kaylynn
It could also possibly be Amanda Jones.

You're right. Although, it is less likely. I think if it was Amanda, the decomposition would be too bad to tell it is a caucasian female. She has been missing for almost a year. JMO

But it's still possible.

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by kaylynn


From Belton MO to Missouri City MO.
From Louisberg(thats the correct spelling) is about 160 miles.

Thanks for mapquesting that. It definitely seems possible that this is Kara. I certainly hope not. But it is someone's mother, daughter, wife, sister, aunt. How very sad.

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by kaylynn

Yeah, good point.I didn't think of that, sorry.
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/13766807/detail.html
Says the body was found between Lexington and Ft. Osage, which is about 45-60 miles from Belton MO. \

No need to be sorry. :) It is possible that Amanda was kept alive for some time, though unlikely.

I found this, and I think this is very possible, but I'm not sure of the distance.


Amy Louise Meyer
AKA:
Missing Since: 6/26/2007
Sex Female Race White
Age 45 (At time missing)
Hgt 5Ft4In Wgt 100
Hair Brown Eye Hazel

She was last seen wearing a black sleeveless crewneck shirt, green knee length shorts and brown leather sandals.

Law Enforcement Agency: Nevada Police Department
Report Number: 102507
Contact: Detective Barclay
Link (http://missourimissingadults.com/)

[Mojen]

I don't think Missouri City is 160 miles from Belton. It's WAY closer then that.

As for the poster of Kara in Lawrence being defaced, that's not surprising. Lawrence is a town of college kids. I live about 5 miles from Belton, that is where the poster I noticed was.

I am going to Long John Silvers for dinner tonight. I am going to ask again about it.

The only thing they are reporting about the woman in the river is that she was caucasian.

We have a lot of womens' bodies that are found in the river here. A LOT.

[jtazzy]

:rose: For whoever the body is...your right she is someones mom, daughter, sister and friend.

You know I don't want it to be Kara, but it would bring her mom and dad and the rest of the family some closer....

You know...what I don't understand that when Equsearch was searching for Kelsey they did a news article here and I think it could be on the first part of this thread not sure...that they would be willing to stay and search the area for Kara. I KNOW for a fact that I heard that...no I can't give you a link ss, but I remember hearing that and jumping up and down in my living room so excited and then nothing.

I also can't figure out why her mom and stepdad have not asked for them. I also don't understand why they don't try to get the media help and such.

If it was my kid I would screaming from the roof top. I got a bullentin(?sp) the other day on myspace from findkarakopetsky and all it had was a Z on it. That has had me puzzled. I have tried to log on to the site...I'm a friend on there (added as a friend not that I know her etc...) and for some reason it won't let me load it...

All I know is that Kara will not be forgotten ... not by me...
Luv
Jeanne

[jtazzy]

jtazzy
Member

Registered: May 2007
Location: Florida
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I heard that LE is (I think of the fox channel not sure) is going to use their resources they still have from Kelsey and look for Kara... Please let this be true...



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I guess this is what I was thinking of

[StillHoping]

jtazzy,

I remember that post. I also heard that Equusearch was going to stay and search for Kara, but I think that LE told them not to. Or LE did not ask them to stay. Equusearch must be asked to help by either LE or the family/parents from what I understand.

Kara's father (not step-father) was quoted in one of the linked articles as saying he's having a hard time deciding what is the best thing to do. He's afraid that if Kara wants to come home, the media exposure might freak her out and keep her away. So maybe that is what the family is worried about as far as the media goes. But I really think the media is just not running her story due to the fact that there just isn't much new to report on.

As far as Kara's parents go, the only thing I can figure is A) they don't want her found (Which I don't believe at this point, nothing to point that direction) or B) They are scared that Equusearch WILL find her, just not alive. Maybe right now they feel that as long as she is not found deceased, there is hope. This is all JMO.

StillHoping

P.S. I'm trying to find updates about the body pulled from the river. So far I haven't found anything new.

Praying for you Kara. :rose:

[StillHoping]

Probably not related to Kara, but it's possible. It just caught my eye.
Anyone else see this?
Link to Story (http://www.kansascity.com/news/break...ry/207744.html)

Heres a map showing Beltons proximity to Independence. Per Mapquest:
Total Est. Distance: 25.96 miles
Map Link (http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?csz...ty,%20missouri)

Also note: The Missouri River runs across the top of Jackson County.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally posted by kaylynn


Do you have another link? That one isn't coming up for me.

NOT Kara
http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=10206453#post10206453

[Cury-us Coyote]

'Fight For The Missing' Keeps Kopetsky Case In The Spotlight

When the bell rings, the fighters normally just fight each other, but on Friday they were also in a fight for the missing. Kopesky's brother held the flag for the National Anthem and the announcer told the crowd about Kopetsky's disappearance. It's all because Alcanter wants everyone to know about Kopetsky.
...
Especially hard when you hear news of something like a woman's body found in the Missouri River on Friday.

"You have to stay positive, if you go to the negative it will tear you up," her step-father Jim Beckford said.

"I don't think we'll feel totally comforted until we have an answer that is no, it wasn't Kara, but that means it was still someone else's relative, child," Rhonda Beckford said.

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=3905407&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by kaylynn


Do you have another link? That one isn't coming up for me.

You're right. Here it is again.
Jackson County Deputy resigns after being accused of sodomy against 15 year old girl. (http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/207744.html)

[jtazzy]

I'm glad the body was identified, but sure wish we could find Kara.

Sounds like her family is trying to get her out in the news..

[txsage]

bumping for Kara

[StillHoping]

Per the WS boards, the searches for Kara at Longview Lake have been stopped. The kids had gotten together a dozen times or so and had made pretty good progress, though there were still area's left unsearched. However, the last time they went, they were approached by LE and told to discontinue any searching that did not involve LE.

I don't understand. It's a public park. How can they tell people they can't walk through there, reguardless of if they are "searching" or not? It really just makes me mad.

The more we get Kara's name out there, it seems the harder we are shut down. It doesn't make much sense to me unless LE doesn't want Kara found. ????? I'm not trying to jump the gun here, but things just aren't adding up.

I KNOW Equusearch is aware of Kara's case. But neither the parents or LE have asked for their help. WHY???? I don't see how they have anything to lose besides hope, maybe.

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by StillHoping
Per the WS boards, the searches for Kara at Longview Lake have been stopped. The kids had gotten together a dozen times or so and had made pretty good progress, though there were still area's left unsearched. However, the last time they went, they were approached by LE and told to discontinue any searching that did not involve LE.

I don't understand. It's a public park. How can they tell people they can't walk through there, reguardless of if they are "searching" or not? It really just makes me mad.

The more we get Kara's name out there, it seems the harder we are shut down. It doesn't make much sense to me unless LE doesn't want Kara found. ????? I'm not trying to jump the gun here, but things just aren't adding up.

I KNOW Equusearch is aware of Kara's case. But neither the parents or LE have asked for their help. WHY???? I don't see how they have anything to lose besides hope, maybe.


Something doesn't add up here, that is correct stillhoping. Why does it seem that LE doesn't want her searched for? Do they know something that they are not making public? Why not get Equusearch in there, make you wonder who doesn't want Kara found....jmo

[jtazzy]

:rose: Bumping for our Kara... May God bring her home. You will not be forgotten Kara...

Jeanne

[jtazzy]

:rose: Bumping for Kara

[peglowe]

bumping :rose:

[txsage]

bumping for Kara!

[txsage]

Bump!

[txsage]

Peace and Hope, Kara!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Crime Stoppers: Police seek tips in case of missing Belton teen, Kara Kopetsky

The case has received national attention. Kara’s ATM card, cell phone and MySpace accounts have not been used. She is a white female, 5 feet 6 inches tall, and weighs 115 pounds. She has light brown hair and hazel eyes.

Her family and authorities hope someone may have information on her location or details on what may have happened to her. Anyone with information is asked to call Crime Stoppers at 816-474-8477.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/neighborhood/blue_springs/story/221823.html

[Cury-us Coyote]

Four Months Later, Kara Kopetsky's Family Still Searching

Everywhere you go in Belton, you see these signs. A constant reminder that Kopetsky is still missing. It's also a sign that even now this community will not let her disappearance be forgotten.

Jim and Rhonda Beckford, her parents, say their goal is to paint the town purple, Kopetsky's favorite color. Purple ribbons were tied to trees and purple signs were in yards.

"So anytime you see the ribbons or signs you remember she's still missing and keep looking for her," Rhonda said.
...
A huge group of volunteers helped pass out the new signs a couple weeks ago. The sign's message is simple: she is still missing, there's a reward for information, so call police.

Kopetsky would have been a senior this year and her family said she was looking forward to her senior year. They hope someone out there knows something. The reward is now $20,000 for information in the case.


http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=4274360&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.1.1

[txsage]

Bumping for Kara~

[StillHoping]

We haven't forgotten you Kara.

Come home soon. -:rose:

[Purrfect]

I often think about this young girl. Something about her case just sticks with me (even on the other side of the world). I hope for the best of outcomes, and my thoughts are with her and hers.

[jtazzy]

:rose: Bumping for Kara. May she never be forgotten...

Come home soon Kara!!!!

[jtazzy]

UNIDENTIFIED Remains....Belton, Missouri
Body:






Sense of dread unfolds after body is found in Belton

By MIKE SHERRY and BRIAN BURNES
The Kansas City Star
Posted on Fri, Oct. 05, 2007 10:33 PM


On a warm and breezy Friday night, the lure of homecoming brought a steady stream of cars to Belton High School’s football stadium.


For some, though, the game with St. Joseph Central took a momentary backseat to a more pressing question: … “Is it Kara?”





KARA KOPETSKY, 17

Missing since May 4 2007


Just hours earlier, a crew surveying for the Missouri Department of Transportation had found a body in thick underbrush near Route Y and U.S. 71. That spot was less than two miles from the high school where Kara Kopetsky vanished the morning of May 4.
She hasn’t been heard from since.
Was it, in fact, Kara’s body?
“We all hope it isn’t, pray it isn’t, but I don’t know,” said Austin Huffman, a 17-year-old senior who would have counted Kara among his classmates this fall. “She has been missing for so long.”




About 1:30 p.m. Friday, workers for the highway department found the body, which was “deteriorated,” said Steve Porter, a MoDOT spokesman. Several hours later, authorities removed the body from the scene to begin the forensic examination.
Law enforcement authorities said the body was so badly decomposed that they could not determine its gender, its age or a cause of death.
Asked whether the body could be that of the missing teen, Detective Sgt. Brad Swanson of the Belton Police Department said, “I’m not going to jump to any conclusions.”
The department, he said, knows of two other missing teens: a girl about 14 or 15 years old who ran away two weeks ago, and a 17-year-old boy who also was classified as a runaway.
Swanson said Friday’s find appeared to be the body of someone who was at least a teenager, and not that of a child.
This morning, the Jackson County medical examiner’s office will attempt to determine a cause of death. Swanson said that, because authorities had dental records and DNA on file, they expected to make a quick determination about whether it was Kara’s body.
Along with the remains, authorities found what appeared to be athletic pants and a knit-type shirt. Surveillance tapes made the day of Kara’s disappearance showed that she was wearing blue jeans when she left the school.
There were no other personal effects that might help identify the body, Swanson said.
Word of the discovery quickly reverberated through the community, where “Find Kara” signs dot front yards, five months after the 17-year-old’s disappearance.
Jerry Holmes and his wife, Shelley Yeager, turned out for the game. Earlier they had taken note of a homecoming parade float dedicated to finding Kara.
“It’s everybody’s fear,” Holmes said, but they hoped that if it was Kara, the find would provide closure for the family.



This was on one of my bullentins on myspace that I subscribe too....Just wanted to update everyone. If it is Kara, it would bring so much closure...


As you read u can tell they had a homecoming float dedicated to her....

Kara....we love u so much.
Jeanne

[Cury-us Coyote]

MoDOT Workers Discover Body Near Belton
Investigators To Check If Victim Is Kara Kopetsky
(includes video)

Detectives said they did find clothing, but it's not gender-specific.
...
Belton police will hold a press conference at noon Saturday to discuss any developments in the case.

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/14279575/detail.html

[Cury-us Coyote]

Road Workers Find Body In Belton

Investigators are not saying if the body is that of missing Belton teen Kara Kopetsky. Kopetsky's step-father said police had not contacted them and he said he had no reason to believe the body was Kopetsky's. Belton police said there are two other teens missing in the Belton area and they are keeping those cases in mind as well.

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=4556833&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[Cury-us Coyote]

Sense of dread unfolds after body is found in Belton
(includes video)

http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/305768.html

[Cury-us Coyote]

Police: Body Found In Belton Is Woman (includes video)

The body was badly decomposed, so investigators still don’t know the age or race of the victim. Police said they expect to know more details about the person later this weekend.

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/14284294/detail.html

[Cury-us Coyote]

Authorities say body found in Belton that of a female; no identification yet

Authorities hope to know later today whether the body is that of Kara Kopetsky, who disappeared the morning of May 4 after leaving Belton High School near where the body was found.
...
The department knows of only one other missing girl — one in her mid-teens who ran away two weeks ago. Swanson said the body that was found was not her.
...
Kara’s father, Mike Kopetsky, stood outside the Belton police station this afternoon as the media was briefed on the case. He said he expects to the wait out the rest of the afternoon with family.

“We are all going to sit around together and comfort each other today,” Kopetsky said. “Hopefully we will get the answers soon enough. I’m sure it will be hard waiting for them.”

He was wearing a white T-shirt with a picture of his daughter.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/306134.html

[Luzianne]

I live in the Kansas City area. The police here have always maintained that they do not think there is a link between the Kelsey Smith and Kara Kopetsky cases. The body found yesterday, though, is NOT that far from where Kelsey's body was found. But then, the body yesterday was found in Belton, which is where Kara was missing from, so that doesn't necessarily show a link between the two either.

They did say the body was so badly decomposed that they were unable to tell at first whether it was male or female, then later said it was female. Kara has been missing since 05/04/2007.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Belton Body A Female, Kopetsky Family Waits For More Answers

The family of Kara Kopetsky stood nearby, thinking he would hear information that would end or extend his nightmare. Now, the agonizing wait continues for the missing teen's loved ones.
...
At home she left behind her iPod, clothing, cell phone and has yet to touch any money in her bank account.

Rhonda Beckford, Kopetsky's mother, admitted that five months of waiting has taken its toll.

"On the five month, I did do quite a bit of crying that day. It was a hard day, but everyday's hard," Beckford said of the five-month anniversary of her daughter's disappearance. "Everyday she's not at home where she should be."

With the forensic investigation for Friday's discovery going on, Beckford held a memorial walk for her daughter.

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=4564213

[Cury-us Coyote]

Police: Belton Body Not Missing Teen Girl

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=4564213

[Cury-us Coyote]

Police: Body Found Is Not Kara Kopetsky

Kara's father told KMBC he was relieved that the body is not Kara and was glad there is still hope that she may be alive.

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/14284294/detail.html

[Cury-us Coyote]

Female body found in Belton not missing Kopetsky

A female body found in Belton yesterday is not that of missing teen Kara Kopetsky.

Belton officials made that announcement today, but could not identify the body.
...
The Belton police department knows of only one other missing girl, a teenager who ran away two weeks ago. Police say the body that was found was not her.

http://www.kbsd6.com/Global/story.asp?S=7178898

[jtazzy]

Glad it wasn't Kara....but sure wish she would come home....

Kara Your not forgotten :rose:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Body found Friday is not that of missing Belton teen, police say

Belton Police Capt. Don Spears said dental records determined that the body was not Kara’s. Police are still trying to identify the female body.
...
Lee, Kara’s youth pastor, had 25 people in his cell phone address book waiting for news. Just after 6 p.m. he was able to send a three-word text message: “Body wasn’t Kara.”

“A lot of people were really bracing themselves that this was Kara,” Lee said.

Within 30 minutes of learning that the body wasn’t Kara’s, loved ones descended upon the Beckfords’ front yard, ready to search anew for Kara.

“She’s not home yet, but ...” Rhonda trailed off.

Added Jim: “It’s a long road, but we’re not through walking.”

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/306695.html

[jtazzy]

I wish I lived there so I could help search for Kara....


:rose: Kara you are not forgotten...we love you

[Cury-us Coyote]

Mother says body in Belton is not Kara

"Belton Police were notified that the body is not that of Kara Kopetsky – that notification came from the Jackson County Medical Examiners Office," said Belton Police Chief James Person. "That determination was based on the dental records, as well as other discrepancies with the condition of the body, size of the body and the description of Kara Kopetsky."
...
The family gathered in prayer with renewed hope Kara is still alive. Near their Bible, Kara's mom keeps mementos – jewelry Kara made, a ceramic school project, and lots of pictures.

"Pictures of her," Rhonda Beckford said. "It's hard to say, but you know, for right now this is all I have."

Police have not identified the remains found Friday at this time.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/Default.aspx

[CCIGuy]

Sorry to be disappointing to those that are sure Edwin Hall had involvement in Kara's disappearance, but I have been investigating this case in co-operation with several organizations/agencies, & I can tell you that there is in fact information that suggests "other" strong possibilities.

In the interest of protecting Kara's case, I can only say that there were suspicious activities observed prior to Kara's disappearance with regard to some of her associates.

Suffice to say that although Edwin Hall is certainly a person of interest, I've discovered information that leads me to believe that certain individuals would appear glad to have us looking that way, instead of theirs.

On Lie detector tests; They can indeed be inconclusive. They are an investigative tool, & the results of this particular tool should be taken in as a whole with all the other facts of a given case.

For now, Law Enforcement should continue to look closer, rather than further.

http://www.polygraph.com/


We are all hoping for the best outcome for Kara, & that she will be found safe. At this time however, the only way we can come closer to that goal, is to continue to shed light on her disappearance, & refuse to let her case fall to the wayside. I encourage all of you to ask Court TV to cover her case & bring it National attention. Unless we make criminals afraid to commit these crimes, they will continue to do so unfettered & without sufficient remorse to curb their sick behavior.

http://findkarakopetsky.com/FindKara_copy.jpg

[txsage]

Hope some info comes soon!

[ruby]

:rose: haven't forgotten about you Kara. :rose:

[StillHoping]

Something about Kara's myspace page had been bothering me for awhile, but I just figured out what it is.

Nobody has logged into Kara's account since May 2nd 2007. Kara has not been seen since May 4th, which is two days later.

Why haven't the police checked out her myspace??? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. She has 137 friends on her page and it's public. I would think it's a lead worth looking into. :flamemad:

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by StillHoping
Something about Kara's myspace page had been bothering me for awhile, but I just figured out what it is.

Nobody has logged into Kara's account since May 2nd 2007. Kara has not been seen since May 4th, which is two days later.

Why haven't the police checked out her myspace??? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. She has 137 friends on her page and it's public. I would think it's a lead worth looking into. :flamemad: [/*]

StillHoping, are you serious!!!! That is the first place most of the time LE looks at I thought.

Why isn't more pressure being put on LE to find Kara and I STILL don't understand why the family or LE won't call in TES!!!!

[dulcinea]

Have the police actually stated that they didn't check her Myspace?

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by dulcinea
Have the police actually stated that they didn't check her Myspace? [/*]

To be honest, I have not heard one word spoken about Kara from Belton LE. So, no, they have not stated they didn't check into her account. But, I have personally seen myspace pages of missing persons, who's last login was after the date they were last seen. And I was told that it doesn't mean that the missing person logged into their page, but most likely LE had hacked into the account to check it out.

I suppose it's possible that LE hacked her account without changing the last login date, but then what about the other missing persons myspace pages I have seen where the date did change?

[dulcinea]

Is it possible they visited her page (instead of hacking into her account) and made a list of all contacts she had on there? I don't know a darn thing about Myspace. A lot of my friends are into it but I choose to avoid it.

[Maelstrom5]

Hi,

I just joined Court TV so I could provide you with some information about Kara’s MySpace Account.

It is a open page. You do not need to be on her friends list to view it. Or read her blog.

You do need to be on it to post comments. To the best of my knowledge no one has been added since May 4. In all probability this is because police do not want to have a large group of new people added. You can join the MySpace page set up to help find her at www.myspace.com/findkarakopetsky

Yours
Maelstrom5

[jtazzy]

Thanks Maelstorm, I am already a friend of findkara on myspace. You all are doing a wonderful job with that sight.

Do you know if LE has checked out her myspace and her computer at home???

[Maelstrom5]

Yes they have checked both out.

I don't run Kara's MySpace site. It is run by her BFF Crystal.

Maelstrom5

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Yes they have checked both out.

I don't run Kara's MySpace site. It is run by her BFF Crystal.

Maelstrom5 [/*]

Thks for clearing that up for us that they have checked them out...

Well then Crystal is doing a good job, but to me everyone that is trying to get the word out about Kara is doing a great job..


:rose: Kara will never be forgotten!!!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Smith's, Kopetsky's Team Up for Self-Defense Class
(includes video)
Kelsey Smith's parents teamed up with Kara Kopetsky's parents to try and help others. They've met before but this is the first time they've worked together to educate teens about personal safety. Kelsey Smith's and Kara Kopetsky's parents talked to students at Pleasant Ridge High School about what happened to their daughters.

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=4753557&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.1.1

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Smith's, Kopetsky's Team Up for Self-Defense Class
(includes video)
Kelsey Smith's parents teamed up with Kara Kopetsky's parents to try and help others. They've met before but this is the first time they've worked together to educate teens about personal safety. Kelsey Smith's and Kara Kopetsky's parents talked to students at Pleasant Ridge High School about what happened to their daughters.

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=4753557&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.1.1 [/*]

Thanks Cury for this update...I think that is awesome that both sets of parents have teamed up this way....

:rose: Kara you will never be forgotten...

[Cury-us Coyote]

Prayer vigil to mark six-month anniversary of Belton teen’s disappearance

A group supporting the family of missing teenager Kara Kopetsky is inviting the public to a prayer vigil today in Belton.

Two pastors from New Horizons Nazarene Church will lead the Kara Kopetsky Prayer Power Hour starting at 4 p.m. in Wallace Park, 16400 N. Mullen Road.

http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/345743.html

[Purrfect]

Bumping for kara.

[StillHoping]

Bumping for Kara. I still can't get her off my mind. She needs to come home.

Why does it seem like nothing is being done for her?
I'm sorry, but I find it doubtful that she ran away without telling ANYONE, and has still not contacted ANYONE 7 months later.

:rose: Kara

[Mandysmom]

It does seem as if she's one of the 'forgotten' ones.

Kara

:rose: :wreath:

[Maelstrom5]

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http://www.myfoxkc.com/my...ode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Family Decorates Christmas Tree For Missing Belton Teen

Dec 04,2007

It's now been seven months since a Belton teenager vanished without a trace. Kara Kopetsky disappeared May 4 and her family is now preparing to spend Christmas without her.

A tree that Kopetsky's family decorated stands outside of her parents church. It stands in her honor, as a light of hope that she will come home safe.

Surrounded by family, Rhonda and Jim Beckford decorated the tree outside their church in purple, Kopetsky's favorite color, but one decoration is the most important.

"My mom said we have to have a dove on the tree, a dove signifies peace and love and hope and even after seven months we have hope we will find out what happened we will bring Kara home," Rhonda Beckford said.

Kopetsky, 17, was last seen leaving Belton High School on May 4. Her family said she took no money, no clothes and they've never believed she ran away.

"We've experienced the seasons together, spring, summer, fall and now winter and it's a cold lonely time," Jim Beckford said.

Rhonda and Jim said it just doesn't feel like Christmas this year.

"Christmas is a time when families are supposed to be together and our family isn't complete because someone is missing: Kara," Rhonda said.

A loss each and every family member feels deeply, especially Kopetsky's eight-year-old brother Thomas.

"Every single Christmas I look forward to having fun with her and this Christmas I can't look forward to that," Thomas said.

Russell Gardens donated the tree, but they're not calling it a memorial tree. They said some day soon when Kopetsky is home, it will just be another tree.

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by StillHoping
Bumping for Kara. I still can't get her off my mind. She needs to come home.

Why does it seem like nothing is being done for her?
I'm sorry, but I find it doubtful that she ran away without telling ANYONE, and has still not contacted ANYONE 7 months later.

:rose: Kara [/*]

StillHoping, I feel the same way you do...I think deep down we all know that she didn't just run away. I think about Kara everyday. I pray everyday that this is the day that brings her home.

I know it has been discussed before but I don't understand why TES is not brought in....

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by jtazzy


StillHoping, I feel the same way you do...I think deep down we all know that she didn't just run away. I think about Kara everyday. I pray everyday that this is the day that brings her home.

I know it has been discussed before but I don't understand why TES is not brought in.... [/*]

TES has been talked to about Kara's case. But they won't search for her unless asked by either the local police or Kara's parents. So I just don't understand why Kara's parent's won't ask for their help. I know Kara's friend Crystal who runs the FindKaraKopetsky myspace page was posting on another forum and was given TES info as well as other missing persons organizations info to pass onto Kara's parents. But they have not requested help. I have tried to push away any negative thoughts about her family or whether they may be involved in her disappearance. But even if they just don't want to find her dead, after 7 months, you would think they would be desperate to find her, no matter what the circumstances. The police shut down the searches that were being performed by local highschool kids at the lake area where Kelsey Smith was found. It just doesn't make sense.

I have thought for months now that maybe her family was involved, or that perhaps there is a coverup, and her family is being wrongly directed not to request help from outside sources.
I don't know what else to think at this point.

[jtazzy]

See Still, that is what I don't understand either. If that was my daughter missing you bet no one would keep me from asking them for help to find her....

Either someone in her family is involved or there is a cover up going on....something just doesn't seem right to me about this case...
JMO

[Maelstrom5]

Hi SWC,

Your not wrong. I believe Belton police do need to be looking close to home, but not at her parents.

Sorry I can't tell you why I feel that way, at least not at the moment. Lets just say that I believe the Belton PD. has not told the press everything they know about this case, and rightly so, as I feel 100% certain foul play was involved.

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by swc



I disagree with the idea that Kara's parents do not want to find their daughter, I find that suggestion disgusting.

If you go to the site Kara's, mom put up you will see she has links to the NCMEC, National Voice for Children, and the Myspace page.
http://www.findkarakopetsky.com/page04.html

Actually quite to the contrary, many parents of runaway children never take the time to put up a web site.


I wish I could say the same for all parents of runaway children. Just a gut feeling but I doubt in a million years I will be wrong about Kara's family. [/*]

swc,
I am not implying that Kara's parent's don't want her found, but yes, the thought has entered my mind. I don't mean to offend anyone by stating my thoughts, but as you know, that is what this board is for. I am not alone in feeling that there is something not right with Kara's case. I am not finger pointing or yelling that her parents are guilty, nor is that necessarily my oppinion. BUT...as NOBODY seems to know what happened to Kara, all avenues should be explored. I am sorry that my oppinion "disgusts" you, but we are both here for the same reason, to help find Kara. If that means exploring the theory that Kara's parents may be involved or that there may be a police cover up, I am willing to do that, even if not everyone agrees with that approach.

Also, I wanted to note: I have been under the impression that Findkarakopetsky.com is run by Kara's fathers family, NOT by her mother. And if you look at the site, there is a long letter to Kara from her father, and only one small mention of her mother on the site other than in news stories.

[StillHoping]

There is a thread for Kara at Topix.net in which someone claiming to be Kara's cousin has been posting and has stated that they have spoken with Texas Equusearch and were basically told they can't help them right now. The post is #59 at this link.

Link (http://www.topix.com/city/belton-tx/2007/05/where-is-kara-kopetsky/p3#lastPost)

Is there anyone from TES that can validate whether Kara's family has requested help in searching for her, or that can explain why the family is being put off if that is the case?

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by StillHoping


swc,
I am not implying that Kara's parent's don't want her found, but yes, the thought has entered my mind. I don't mean to offend anyone by stating my thoughts, but as you know, that is what this board is for. I am not alone in feeling that there is something not right with Kara's case. I am not finger pointing or yelling that her parents are guilty, nor is that necessarily my oppinion. BUT...as NOBODY seems to know what happened to Kara, all avenues should be explored. I am sorry that my oppinion "disgusts" you, but we are both here for the same reason, to help find Kara. If that means exploring the theory that Kara's parents may be involved or that there may be a police cover up, I am willing to do that, even if not everyone agrees with that approach.

Also, I wanted to note: I have been under the impression that Findkarakopetsky.com is run by Kara's fathers family, NOT by her mother. And if you look at the site, there is a long letter to Kara from her father, and only one small mention of her mother on the site other than in news stories. [/*]

eta: I see the website is run by Melinda Kopetsky, Kara's mother's name is Rhonda Beckford.

[StillHoping]

A Comment left by Burton Stone on the Scared Monkeys website:

Please answer these five questions:

(1) Why did it take the Belton MO two (2) weeks to open and inventory Kara’s school locker?

(2)Why did the police release the man Kara was fighting with before she went missing?

(3) How is this man related to powerful members of the Belton community?

(4) Why has Kara’s name NOT been brought up once in City Council meetings?

(5) Whay has EquiSearch not been asked to come into the case?

Best Wishes,
Burton Stone

I think these are VERY valid questions that need answering right away.

Link (http://missingexploited.com/2007/06/09/kara-kopetsky-17-missing-since-may-4-2007-is-there-a-connection-to-kelsey-smith-murder/)

[Maelstrom5]

Hi,

I would like to clear up something about Texas Equusearch and local or state law inforcement. It is my understanding they will not orginize a search UNLESS the local or state police approve.

Here is a news report from the Brianna Maitland case that points out the fact that while Bri's parent, Bruce and Kellie, wanted TES's help and they were set to come to Vermont, when the VSP pulled the plug, they did not go.

What is so ironic is this story was written almost two and a half years ago and Brianna's remains have still not been located. The VSP seem no closer to solving this case today, then they were on March 19 2004.

Police Claim New Leads In Maitland Case

UPDATED: 10:44 pm EDT August 9, 2005

"BURLINGTON, Vt. -- Brianna Maitland has been missing for more than a year, and her family was hoping a specially trained search team from Texas would uncover new clues to their daughter's disappearance.

It's the same group that has been in Aruba helping in the high-profile search for Natalee Holloway --- a teenager from Alabama who vanished on the island.

The Texas Equusearch team was planning to arrive in Vermont on Tuesday, but were told not to come by local police who said they have new leads in the case. The Maitlands want to know why police have "turned away one of the best search organizations in America."

"If they give us the word that they need us and they feel as though what we have to offer is going to be valuable in this case, we won't even second-guess it, we'll be on the first flight out," said Miller.

The Maitlands said they dealt with a similar situation last year when the national organization called Klaas Kids wanted to come to town.

State police weren't available to elaborate on their supposed leads, but said they are doing everything they can to crack this case."

http://www.thechamplainchannel.com/...162/detail.html

[StillHoping]

Thanks for posting that story Maelstrom5.

So even if Kara's parents have requested help from TES, the Belton Police would have to approve their helping.

This only makes me ? a cover up even more.
And in one of my above posts, there is a question posed as to what Kylr Yust's connections to powerful members of the Belton community are.

I wonder how we can dig up more info on that. Does anyone have any idea's???

Note: A coverup has also long been suspected in Brianna Maitland's case. To me, TES being asked not to come is a big red flag. I don't see how it should interfere with an investigation. Either they find something (which would help the investigation) or they don't.

[Maelstrom5]

"Note: A coverup has also long been suspected in Brianna Maitland's case. To me, TES being asked not to come is a big red flag. I don't see how it should interfere with an investigation. Either they find something (which would help the investigation) or they don't." [/*][/QUOTE

I don't think it is a cover up as much as it is a unwillingness to think outside the box.

The VSP have done a number of searches for Brianna, and have been willing to enlist outside help from other states including a search team with cadaver dogs from my home state. But only if that help came from other LE agencies. It seems to me to be more a case of ego, then cover up.

I am not sure if the same holds true for the Belton police, but it may.

Given their track record,why any LE agency would turn away TES, is beyond me. Especially when they seem to be stumped.

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by swc


You could be right on that, I work with one of sites linked to the website either run by her mother or father. I remember when first looking at the site, there was a reason I thought her mother was involved.

Sorry that you took my post the wrong way, I firmly am one who does believe in looking at the family in cases of foul play, however rarely is foul play seen when a child is 15 of age or older.

Reality is if a child reaches 4 years of age, they are out of the severe danger zone, still five and six year olds are at high risk. A very sad fact about our society. Toddlers in danger. [/*]

swc,

No hard feelings. I just wanted to make sure people understand I am not trying to run Kara's family through the ringer, I just want to look at all the possible scenario's and unfortunately, family involvement is one of those. My personal oppinion is that Kylr Yust is a very likely suspect, but after police gave him a LDT, most talk of his involvement stopped. I am now trying to find ways of determining if Kylr has friends in high places in Belton, as per one of my above posts. If he does, that would make sense of quite a few things such as:
- why LE doesn't want TES involved
- why Kylr was easily removed from the suspect list
- why Kara's family is not speaking out more
- why the volunteer searchers at Longview Lake were told to stop searching.

Also, I re-read Mike Kopetsky's (Kara's dad) letter to Kara on the website, and he mentions that Kara always has a place to stay with he and Melinda. So Melinda Kopetsky is Kara's stepmother, she is the one running the site.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Search continues for missing Belton,Mo., teen
Kara Kopetsky was reportedly seen in Louisburg two weeks after her disappearance

http://www.kccommunitynews.com/articles/2008/01/16/miami_county_republic/news/doc478d2c2cf1805133422643.txt

[Maelstrom5]

Cury-us Coyote

The story you posted is both good and bad news.

The good news is that the Belton police are still actively investigating Kara's disappearance

The bad news is that the are still rehashing leads from the middle of May 2007 and it would appear they have not moved beyond that point.

[Maelstrom5]

From a couple of post I did on another board. I want to reemphasize I have no professional credentials to back these up.. I am just a armchair sleuth like more of you
Peter/Maelstrom5


Well I am happy to see my post got people thinking about Kara again. No let me correct that, writing about Kara again, I am sure she was never forgotten by a single one of you.

Like (redacted) I have a couple of sources who were very close to Kara, but not family members.

My sources confirm (redacted’s) account about the young man talking to Kara the morning of the 4th and telling her to stay in school. (Kara was known to skip on occasion)

The phone call (redacted)mentioned was one of at least three Kara made after talking to her mother, but it was not the last one. All three calls were to young men she knew.

A number of you mentioned Kylr and his passing a LD test as well as having a alibi.

His alibi for the day in question is two-fold. In the morning he says he was at a hospital visiting a sick relative. This should be easy to verify as he would have been seen by doctors, nurses, receptionist etc. The second part is a bit more problematic as he says he was with fellow band members practicing. I have never seen a story that backs that up but it does not mean that the police have not done so.

Several of you have said LE has said Kylr passed a polygraph test. I have not seen a story that says that.( this does not mean there is not one, just that I have not seen one)

In the one I read Kylr says that he took and passed one then goes on to say ask the police about it. I do not believe the police are ever quoted as saying he passed, at least not in the story I saw.

What struck me about this story was that Kylr said very little about Kara. He spent most of the time talking about himself and how hard things were for him. If you did not know better you would have felt that he had been the victim of foul play, not Kara.

I do not believe for a second that she ran away. Unfortunately I do believe she met with foul play and is no longer with us.

Who do I think did this?

One of the three people she talked to after her mom. Probably the last one. I do believe there is a chance more then one person knows what happened to Kara, but up till now they have been unwilling to tell LE what they know.


Hi (redacted),
I don't know who the second person is and while I have been told who the last one was it was phrased as, "I think it was****", it was far from a declarative statement. Because it was phrased that way I do not feel it is proper to single this person out.

Before I give everyone something more to ponder I should state that I am not a PI, ex-cop, lawyer or reporter although I have a number of friends who are. You can get a better understanding as to who I am and my interests by going to my MySpace page at: www.myspace.com/maelstrom5

A quick answer for those of you who take a look at my picture page. The section Murder Victims are all people I have posted about. A number of those pictures are there at the request of family members. They don’t want their loved-ones to be forgotten.

In looking into Kara’s case I used MySpace in a effort to get a better understanding as to who Kara was as well as her friends. I spent a few days looking at a few hundred people both on Kara’s friends list as well as others who were friends of her friends.

The men on these pages are interesting. I have never seen such a large group of anti-social, narcissistic, and in some cases misogynistic, people in one central place on MySpace. This search did not narrow the list of people of interest, it just expanded it.

I don’t want to imply that every man I looked at fits this description, many did not, but the number that did was weird, and troubling.

In looking into Kara’s boyfriends background I took a look at his page. The following is a letter I sent to a friend. That person’s name as well as the young woman who is the focus of this letter has been redacted. I should also tell you that my conclusions were based just on what his page and his interaction with this young woman indicated to me. I have heard from some of Kara’s friends who tell me Kylr is a great guy. So take this information in context with those contrary observations.

I should also point out that I am 59, so my observations may reflect generational differences.

Hi (Redacted,)

I did a bit of snooping on Kylr's MySpace page here is something I found.

In Kylr’s comment section earlier this year A girl with the MySpace Nic (“Redacted”) flirted with him. It would appear they hooked up, what is interesting is what followed. From Kylr’s only blog entry dated July 15 2007

“please point me in the right direction.
I can feel it, that emotion that longs to be held, to be wanted. I miss love, it seems to be fleeing this town.
I’m open at this point to try anything I don't want perfect, I want someone for them. and I want someone to want me for me.
I’m tired of flings, I want love. honesty. cute. dorky. fun. smart. if you fit this description let me know K”


Reply From 17 year-old girl called (“Redacted”) August 4 2007

“too bad you never gave me a second chance. I really like you but you said all you wanted was a **** buddy and I was lonely. plus we had fun yesterday you cant deny that.”
(note that while Kylr professes the desire for true love, when offered it, he tell this person something different. Also note the timeframe)

From a Oct 2007 blog entry by this same woman

Comment on her blog page Oct 7 2007

This blog entry deals for the most part about her disillusionment over being able to find the right guy. That is not that unusual, there are a million such posts from 17 year-olds on MySpace but in the middle is this statement.

“so turns out the body found by the highway wasn’t Kara. What’s scary is the vicinity of the body to her exes *new* house. and the fact that 2 days before she went missing a restraining order was put against him to stay away from her, I actually just found that out. Kylr…”

(Note that she is saying this in Oct. She has know him since early summer and it would appear had sex with him but he never told her about what happened, or at least was not 100% truthful)

Now these comments may just reflect teenage angst. Anger over unrequited love. But the tenor of her comments taken in the context of the timeframe involved suggest to me that she has a good handle on Kylr’s personality and it is further proof that he is not only a narcissist, but a manipulator as well. ……”
Yours
Peter

[Maelstrom5]

Bump for Kara.

Today is Kara's 18th birthday.

For Kara; :rose: May you come home soon sweetie

[ruby]

Aww man, this is so sad. I cannot believe she hasn't been found yet :( Kara's and Kelsey's stories both got me hooked on these boards. Someone knows where Kara is. Sadly, these victims are usually 'dumped' somewhere, so she's out there, waiting to be found. It's just a matter of time.....

Happy Birthday Kara, you're not forgotten. :rose:

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
From a couple of post I did on another board. I want to reemphasize I have no professional credentials to back these up.. I am just a armchair sleuth like more of you
Peter/Maelstrom5


Well I am happy to see my post got people thinking about Kara again. No let me correct that, writing about Kara again, I am sure she was never forgotten by a single one of you.

Like (redacted) I have a couple of sources who were very close to Kara, but not family members.

My sources confirm (redacted’s) account about the young man talking to Kara the morning of the 4th and telling her to stay in school. (Kara was known to skip on occasion)

The phone call (redacted)mentioned was one of at least three Kara made after talking to her mother, but it was not the last one. All three calls were to young men she knew.

A number of you mentioned Kylr and his passing a LD test as well as having a alibi.

His alibi for the day in question is two-fold. In the morning he says he was at a hospital visiting a sick relative. This should be easy to verify as he would have been seen by doctors, nurses, receptionist etc. The second part is a bit more problematic as he says he was with fellow band members practicing. I have never seen a story that backs that up but it does not mean that the police have not done so.

Several of you have said LE has said Kylr passed a polygraph test. I have not seen a story that says that.( this does not mean there is not one, just that I have not seen one)

In the one I read Kylr says that he took and passed one then goes on to say ask the police about it. I do not believe the police are ever quoted as saying he passed, at least not in the story I saw.

What struck me about this story was that Kylr said very little about Kara. He spent most of the time talking about himself and how hard things were for him. If you did not know better you would have felt that he had been the victim of foul play, not Kara.

I do not believe for a second that she ran away. Unfortunately I do believe she met with foul play and is no longer with us.

Who do I think did this?

One of the three people she talked to after her mom. Probably the last one. I do believe there is a chance more then one person knows what happened to Kara, but up till now they have been unwilling to tell LE what they know.


Hi (redacted),
I don't know who the second person is and while I have been told who the last one was it was phrased as, "I think it was****", it was far from a declarative statement. Because it was phrased that way I do not feel it is proper to single this person out.

Before I give everyone something more to ponder I should state that I am not a PI, ex-cop, lawyer or reporter although I have a number of friends who are. You can get a better understanding as to who I am and my interests by going to my MySpace page at: www.myspace.com/maelstrom5

A quick answer for those of you who take a look at my picture page. The section Murder Victims are all people I have posted about. A number of those pictures are there at the request of family members. They don’t want their loved-ones to be forgotten.

In looking into Kara’s case I used MySpace in a effort to get a better understanding as to who Kara was as well as her friends. I spent a few days looking at a few hundred people both on Kara’s friends list as well as others who were friends of her friends.

The men on these pages are interesting. I have never seen such a large group of anti-social, narcissistic, and in some cases misogynistic, people in one central place on MySpace. This search did not narrow the list of people of interest, it just expanded it.

I don’t want to imply that every man I looked at fits this description, many did not, but the number that did was weird, and troubling.

In looking into Kara’s boyfriends background I took a look at his page. The following is a letter I sent to a friend. That person’s name as well as the young woman who is the focus of this letter has been redacted. I should also tell you that my conclusions were based just on what his page and his interaction with this young woman indicated to me. I have heard from some of Kara’s friends who tell me Kylr is a great guy. So take this information in context with those contrary observations.

I should also point out that I am 59, so my observations may reflect generational differences.

Hi (Redacted,)

I did a bit of snooping on Kylr's MySpace page here is something I found.

In Kylr’s comment section earlier this year A girl with the MySpace Nic (“Redacted”) flirted with him. It would appear they hooked up, what is interesting is what followed. From Kylr’s only blog entry dated July 15 2007

“please point me in the right direction.
I can feel it, that emotion that longs to be held, to be wanted. I miss love, it seems to be fleeing this town.
I’m open at this point to try anything I don't want perfect, I want someone for them. and I want someone to want me for me.
I’m tired of flings, I want love. honesty. cute. dorky. fun. smart. if you fit this description let me know K”


Reply From 17 year-old girl called (“Redacted”) August 4 2007

“too bad you never gave me a second chance. I really like you but you said all you wanted was a **** buddy and I was lonely. plus we had fun yesterday you cant deny that.”
(note that while Kylr professes the desire for true love, when offered it, he tell this person something different. Also note the timeframe)

From a Oct 2007 blog entry by this same woman

Comment on her blog page Oct 7 2007

This blog entry deals for the most part about her disillusionment over being able to find the right guy. That is not that unusual, there are a million such posts from 17 year-olds on MySpace but in the middle is this statement.

“so turns out the body found by the highway wasn’t Kara. What’s scary is the vicinity of the body to her exes *new* house. and the fact that 2 days before she went missing a restraining order was put against him to stay away from her, I actually just found that out. Kylr…”

(Note that she is saying this in Oct. She has know him since early summer and it would appear had sex with him but he never told her about what happened, or at least was not 100% truthful)

Now these comments may just reflect teenage angst. Anger over unrequited love. But the tenor of her comments taken in the context of the timeframe involved suggest to me that she has a good handle on Kylr’s personality and it is further proof that he is not only a narcissist, but a manipulator as well. ……”
Yours
Peter [/*]

Peter thanks for posting this. I have followed alot of your post and love what you do for the missing.
I really wished TES would have stayed and searched for Kara like they wanted to but they were told no.
I have often thought the boyfriend did this to her, but sometimes I wonder if it was someone closer to her than her boyfriend.

There is not a day that goes by that I don't think of Kara.

:rose: Happy Birthday Kara... Just know we haven't forgot.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Dear Kara: 'Granny' needs you
http://www.kansascity.com/273/story/493015.html

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by jtazzy


Peter thanks for posting this. I have followed alot of your post and love what you do for the missing.
I really wished TES would have stayed and searched for Kara like they wanted to but they were told no.
I have often thought the boyfriend did this to her, but sometimes I wonder if it was someone closer to her than her boyfriend.

There is not a day that goes by that I don't think of Kara.

:rose: Happy Birthday Kara... Just know we haven't forgot. [/*]

Hi jtazzy,

Here is something else I got recently from a friend of Kara's. I asked her if Kylr's family has any political connections in Belton as it had been suggested on another board that they did. Here is part of her reply;

"I’m not sure exactly who all Kylr is related to or anything...sorry. I don't really know a whole lot about him other than what Kara used to tell me when they were dating...so I never really thought he was a good guy."

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5


Hi jtazzy,

Here is something else I got recently from a friend of Kara's. I asked her if Kylr's family has any political connections in Belton as it had been suggested on another board that they did. Here is part of her reply;

"I’m not sure exactly who all Kylr is related to or anything...sorry. I don't really know a whole lot about him other than what Kara used to tell me when they were dating...so I never really thought he was a good guy." [/*]

Oh no.... that tells me alot, it really does. I wish there was more I could from Florida to help find Kara. Any suggestion Maelstrom? I just want her brought home to her family...

[Cury-us Coyote]

Olathe police investigate discovery of woman’s burned body
The body apparently is not that of missing 17-year-old Kara Kopetsky, who left Belton High School during the school day on May 4 and has not been heard from since.
http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/518895.html

Burned Body of Woman Found at Olathe Treatment Plant
http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=5946888&version=11&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.1.1

Workers find young woman's body
http://www.nebraska.tv/Global/story.asp?S=7974686

[ruby]

:rose: not forgotten :(

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by ruby
:rose: not forgotten :( [/*]

:rose: no Kara is NOT forgotten

[jtazzy]

:rose: Kara there is not a day that goes by that I don't think of you and pray that you show them where you are at.

We love you Kara

[Maelstrom5]

For those interested. The body that was found in Olathe and referenced a few posts ago has been identified.


http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=5958429&version=9&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

07 Mar 2008

Olathe Police Detectives have identified the body of a woman found burned in Olathe near 83rd and Gardner as Tammy K. Cochran, 37.

Employees of a water treatment plant found the burned body Wednesday morning. Her body was burned so badly that at first officers couldn't identify her race. She was wearing a silver ring on her middle finger (see sidebar).

The body was found in the water near 83rd and Gardener Road by the boat ramp around 10:30 a.m on Wednesday.

The area is city owned property adjacent to the Kansas River, and it is surrounded by the City of Desoto. It falls within the City of Olathe, but it is about two miles outside the contiguous city limits. The City operates water wells on the property where water is pumped through Desoto and Lenexa into Olathe.

Olathe Police Detectives are investigating the case as a homicide with assistance from the Johnson County, Kansas, Sheriff's Office.

Anyone with information regarding this investigation is encouraged to call the Olathe Police Department at 913-971-7455 or the TIPs Hotline 816-474-8477.

Note from Peter;

Tammy had a number of arrest warrants in the last three years since she got devoiced. The last for solicitation and that was issued about two weeks before her body was found.

[StillHoping]

Thinking of Kara, Today and Always.

I'm at a loss for where to go next on this case. I still feel that Kylr needs to be looked into further, but not sure how to get that done.

[jtazzy]

:rose: Kara, I think about you everyday. I wish there was something more I can do to help bring you home.
There is not a day that goes by that I don't think about you. I pray daily for your return home.

Bump for our girl.

[ruby]

Almost been a year :( We miss you! :rose:

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by ruby
Almost been a year :( We miss you! :rose: [/*]

I can't believe it has almost been a year:rose:

Kara we love you and have NOT given up hope.

[19Biscuit59]

Kara is featured on one of Team Hornbeck Racing's race cars this season.

Team Horbeck Racing is a partnership between Shawn Horbeck Foundation and several race teams running at Montgomery County Speedway in eastern Missouri.

The motto of this racing team is "Bring 'em home!", so hopefully this will help raise awareness of Kara.

Let's hope someone, somewhere, knows where she is and lets LE know.

Biscuit

[jtazzy]

Originally posted by 19Biscuit59
Kara is featured on one of Team Hornbeck Racing's race cars this season.

Team Horbeck Racing is a partnership between Shawn Horbeck Foundation and several race teams running at Montgomery County Speedway in eastern Missouri.

The motto of this racing team is "Bring 'em home!", so hopefully this will help raise awareness of Kara.

Let's hope someone, somewhere, knows where she is and lets LE know.

Biscuit [/*]

OMG that is totally awesome...at least the word is getting out. I like how they are doing the missing...

[jtazzy]

:rose: Bumping for our girl...Kara you ARE NOT forgotten!!!

[iluvmua]

For Kara:rose:

[ruby]

:rose: always in our hearts

[Maelstrom5]

Today makes the one year anniversary of Kara's disappearance.

For Kara :rose:


YouTube Video; “Tell me have you seen her?”

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDqxsW2xAOM

And a Quote for those who know the answers; “The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it.” Albert Einstein

[butterfly28]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Today makes the one year anniversary of Kara's disappearance.

For Kara :rose:


YouTube Video; “Tell me have you seen her?”

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDqxsW2xAOM

And a Quote for those who know the answers; “The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it.” Albert Einstein [/*]



:rose: for Kara

[Cury-us Coyote]

Family and friends of missing teen share an unwanted bond
http://www.kansascity.com/105/story/604165.html

[Cury-us Coyote]

Kopetsky Family Talks About Teen's Disappearance

It's been exactly a year since Kara Kopetsky went to school one day and never came home. On Sunday afternoon, her family and friends came together to remember her and raise awareness of her disappearance. Kara's family spoke with FOX 4's Bob Stepanich about how they're coping.

http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=6460489

[txsage]

~ Peace and Hope ~

[Cury-us Coyote]

Herbert West seeks sheriff position as Democrat
http://www.kccommunitynews.com/articles/2008/06/13/miami_county_weekend/news/doc4851604c80fd4403048437.txt

[Cury-us Coyote]

Reward in Belton Teen's Disappearance Raised to $30K
http://www.myfoxkc.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=6820801

[Mojen]

Last Friday I was at a stoplight next to a van with Kara's pictures and info on the side and on the back window. There are still fliers all over the place around here for her.

[Maelstrom5]

Mojen,

Just curious, do you ever see Kara's missing person posters in Pleasant Hill? Maybe along East 175th Street.

[Maelstrom5]

Originally posted by elektrolivia
Alright, so after reading a bunch about this case on WS, (I havent been able to get an account.. :/) I've come up with this conclusion about the Kara Kopetsky case. The family has NOT called in TES right? Or any other kind of search team. The step-father is the only one I haven't heard of having an alibi of where he was about the time Kara would have come home from school. Or how the step-father's name wasn't signed to the note written to Kara that was placed on her door or how he said that their home hasn't been exactly "Leave it to Beaver". There are many fundraisers going on yes. But for what purpose? They say it's to help SEARCH for kara yet there has been no SEARCH. I believe that the stepfather knows what happened to Kara. I believe that maybe he talked the mother out of having search teams. When one of the bodies where found the stepfather said he was positive it wasn't Kara's. I believe the stepfather knows something about where kara is and is just raising money for himself and just wont give out any details so he can get the money. That is what I believe happened. [/*]

elektrolivia,

Suffice to say there is a lot more to the Kara Kopetsky case then you know about, none of which is on WS.

Sorry I am not a liberty to tell you what I know, but trust me Jim Beckford is not your man, that’s been verified through a number of sources.

[Mojen]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Mojen,

Just curious, do you ever see Kara's missing person posters in Pleasant Hill? Maybe along East 175th Street. [/*]

I am very rarely in P. Hill. I was there for a baseball game in early May and didn't notice any. I don't even know where 175th Street is, though!

The convenience store by my house has a flier up all the time. When they are updated, a new one goes up.

[Maelstrom5]

Hi elektrolivia,

Thanks for replying. I think if you go back through the WS posts you will find that there is not a single real fact that points in Jim Beckford’s direction. There has been page after page trashing him, pointing fingers, some of those comments have been very curl, but not a single piece of true evidence has been produced.

Unlike most of those on WS I have followed Kara’s case since the first week she went missing. Long before the Kelsey Smith murder brought Kara’s name to the general publics attention. I have been in contact with a number of Kara’s close personal friends and none of them have every stated that they think Jim is behind what happened. They have told me a number of things that have not been in any published news reports or blog posts, and they have suggested I look in certain areas but those areas have nothing to do with Mr. Beckford.

As I said I can’t reveal everything that I have been sent, that was the condition I had to agree to in order to get it. As much as I would like to I can’t, you only have your good name and the willingness of people to trust you when you write to strangers, and once that trust is broken you can never get it back.

BTW its Mr. and Mrs. Beckford who are keeping the Kara Kopetsky case alive, not the Kopetsky’s.
The Beckford’s are the ones holding the rallies, who planted the Christmas tree and have gotten Kara’s picture on billboards, not the Kopetsky’s. The Beckford’s and the good folks of the find Kara committee are the ones who update their website weekly. The website that the Kopetsky’s have has not been updated in months.

I have a question for you and everyone else, what do you make of the following poem, song, rant, whatever you want to call it?

Hey ya’ll it’s a baby cow!!!
Friday, March 07, 2008


Why hello there, what do you say,
isn't it awesome to whitness another beautiful day?
just follow me, i'm sure you'll see, that this is the way.
My dear the grass is so green and the sky is so blue,
won't you enjoy this world made for me and you?
You're free to eat when i say, but don't ever leave the gate,
concieve on my command, for i am i, and i controls your fate.
My dear your whole life's been planned,
now don't mind the machine, i promise it won't hurt.
all you have to do is stand there and let it do all the work.
give me your nurishment, what my thirst wants,
I've no interest in you, just my hungry guts.
i mean eat, eat, please do have your fill,
so you're nice and fattened up in time for the kill.
No, no, no, this just won't do, you could be much bigger,
i've got just the thing for you,
it may sting just a bit, but i'm sure you;ll deall with it,
in just a sec it'll all be through.
there now doesn't that feel great,
a little steroids, and a little extra wieght,
for double the heart rate.
Well now that you're perfect, and i've kept you this long,
I think it's only right, i take your life, before you know it this will all be gone.
like i said this is the way,
another machine another day.
please everyone stay quiet and in a straight line,
try not to contemplate that with each step draws closer your experation date and time.
really just ignor those infront, they'll be just fine.
Gosh it's your turn already, i thought i'd never see the day,
oh well open your throught, and let the blood spray.
can't you see the light? why put forth a fight?
isn't all that dmt, enough to make you see,
that man is a corruption on existance, but believe what you wih to believe.
turning back now is a stretch of the mind,
luckely anarcy is on a rise, toward destruction in due time.
-K-

[StillHoping]

I'm a little ashamed to admit I haven't been to this forum in awhile. I haven't had as much free time, and have been posting/reading mostly at WS.

Maelstrom,
Thanks so much for keeping the posts going on Kara's thread during my absence, not that you do it for me. We all know you do it for Kara. You do a great job with what you have to work with. And I always appreciate reading your posts. I have to ask, I noticed the rant you posted was signed K at the end. Is there some significance to this rant and Kara's case?? I'm curious as could be.

I hate that it has been more than a year, and there is still nothing new to go on in her case. I fluctuate in my opinion of what could have happened to her. And one day I think she probably did run away, the next, I think that Kylr hurt her, or someone else. Then I think maybe she was abducted by a stranger. The only thing that doesn't change, is the amount of time that Kara takes up in my thoughts and worries. I pray daily for her to be found safe, or at the very least, just found. I will never give up on Kara.

[Maelstrom5]

Hi StillHoping,

The "K" is the way this person signed that MySpace blog post.

He is the "K" of interest in Kara's case!

BTW does the initials "NY" (not New York lol) mean anything to you?

If they do are you familiar with where his family lives?

Hint it is the location I was referring to above.
PM me and I will tell you how you can find it on Flash Earth. Very interesting viewing.

[StillHoping]

The rant is sick, really. Even if it really is about the slaughter of a calf raised for that purpose. Why someone would want to write that is beyond me.

But truthfully, Maelstrom, it seems fitting for said person.
That's what scares me the most.


I have been wondering alot, what ever came of Belton PD supposedly raiding some house and determining that Kara had been there, but was no longer there? I originally found that rumor/info posted on some random forum by PHD. The last time I looked for it, it had been deleted along with alot of other old threads and posts. I think it's time to find the forum again and see if there are any new mentions of Kara.

[txsage]

Peace and Hope!

[StillHoping]

Are there any posters here who also read/post at WS?

I am unable to access myspace from work, but apparently they have found a myspace from Georgia with someone stating they are Kara and some picture that people are speculating about.

I was just wondering what everyone thinks about it. I will have to look when I get home.



Thinking of Kara and praying for her safety as always.

[Maelstrom5]

Hi StillHoping,

The MySpace page that states it is from Georgia is a cut and paste job from Kara's real MySpace page. All the information in the profile section is taken from Kara's real page.

The one that listed it location as Blue Springs, Missouri has been deleted. I sent a friends request to the Missouri page. I don't think it will surprise you that I did not get added LOL.

BTW you can say you are from anywhere on MySpace, many US teens post their home location as Timbuktu or Outer Mongolia

[Maelstrom5]

StillHoping,

Your PM box is full I have a followup PM I want to send you. or contact me using my e-mail and I will send that information along with the blog i mentioned.

BTW All. Kara will be one of the missing people featured on the CUE tour this year. from a message I sent to a internet friend from Belton.

The CUE Center for Missing Persons will set out on August 21st for their 5th Annual "On The Road to Remember Tour 2008" in honor of those who remain missing, homicide and the unidentified. For more information contact CUE Center and see tour route schedule/information below:

http://ncmissingpersons.org/otrr_trip.htm

I see that one stop will be in Belton
“August 30th 10:30-11:30 AM 15706 Lawrence Avenue (Residence) Belton, MO
Jesse Ross & Kara Kopetsky”

This tour stops close by my home town at a earlier date. This stop will feature another missing person, Mary Badaracco who has been missing since 1984 (Her husband killed her. Proving it is another matter)
“Sunday, August 24th 10:00-11:00 AM 83 Montfort Road (Lourdes Shrine) Litchfield, CT
Mary Badaracco”

We will be going up to Litchfield to help show support from Mary’s two daughters and I will be wearing the Tee-shirt for Kara that you sent me. Charlene will be wearing Kara’s missing person button.

Yours
Peter

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
StillHoping,

Your PM box is full I have a followup PM I want to send you. or contact me using my e-mail and I will send that information along with the blog i mentioned.

BTW All. Kara will be one of the missing people featured on the CUE tour this year. from a message I sent to a internet friend from Belton.

The CUE Center for Missing Persons will set out on August 21st for their 5th Annual "On The Road to Remember Tour 2008" in honor of those who remain missing, homicide and the unidentified. For more information contact CUE Center and see tour route schedule/information below:

http://ncmissingpersons.org/otrr_trip.htm

I see that one stop will be in Belton
“August 30th 10:30-11:30 AM 15706 Lawrence Avenue (Residence) Belton, MO
Jesse Ross & Kara Kopetsky”

This tour stops close by my home town at a earlier date. This stop will feature another missing person, Mary Badaracco who has been missing since 1984 (Her husband killed her. Proving it is another matter)
“Sunday, August 24th 10:00-11:00 AM 83 Montfort Road (Lourdes Shrine) Litchfield, CT
Mary Badaracco”

We will be going up to Litchfield to help show support from Mary’s two daughters and I will be wearing the Tee-shirt for Kara that you sent me. Charlene will be wearing Kara’s missing person button.

Yours
Peter [/*]

Thank you for this information Maelstrom5! I see they are making a stop in Albany, NY at the Center for Hope for Suzanne Lyall. This is the first I've heard of this group, I'm going to read up on what they are all about.

Thanks again!

:rose: For all the missing

[Maelstrom5]

Hi huskiki,

CUE are a wonderful group of people.

Its sad, that there are so many missing and no national focus or forum about them.

Take a look at the missing who are on the street corners. We read a lot about women forced into the sex trade that come from overseas but in truth most sex trade workers forced to walk the streets come frome our local neighborhoods. Young girls 13 to 16 years old who never make the news.

Not Kara's or Suzanne's case but missing none the less.

I know about Suzanne's case, know she is probably a victim of a stranger abduction. I find it so very sad that most have never heard of her.

[StillHoping]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
StillHoping,

Your PM box is full I have a followup PM I want to send you. or contact me using my e-mail and I will send that information along with the blog i mentioned.


Yours
Peter [/*]


Thanks Peter,

Cleaned out my box a little if you'd like to send that PM now.
Thanks for the info on the GA myspace page.
I knew that people can say they are from anywhere, I just couldn't get a handle on what WS'ers were getting worked up about re:the posted picture from that page.

Someone made a comment stating the kid looked like Kara bound and gagged?
I haven't had the chance to look at the page yet, did you see anything like that?

Always,
StillHoping

ETA: Forgive me, as I am a bit slow on following up with some of the info you've sent me. I unfortunately have had a huge workload as of late. Please know, that Kara is no less on my mind or in my prayers.

[huskiki]

Originally posted by Maelstrom5
Hi huskiki,

CUE are a wonderful group of people.

Its sad, that there are so many missing and no national focus or forum about them.

Take a look at the missing who are on the street corners. We read a lot about women forced into the sex trade that come from overseas but in truth most sex trade workers forced to walk the streets come frome our local neighborhoods. Young girls 13 to 16 years old who never make the news.

Not Kara's or Suzanne's case but missing none the less.

I know about Suzanne's case, know she is probably a victim of a stranger abduction. I find it so very sad that most have never heard of her. [/*]

Hi Maelstrom5,

They do seem like a great group. I will make sure to attend their stop in Albany, it's only 10 minutes from where I live.

There are so many missing people in this country, it's impossible to keep up with them all. We probably only hear about 5% on these boards, it's sad. Just this week a woman's body was found in Catskill, NY. She was only reported missing last week but was obviously missing for a few weeks (per decomp).

If you are famililar with Suzanne you are probably also familiat with Karen Wilson. It's sad that so much time has gone by and nothing happens with these cases.

[StillHoping]

http://missingexploited.com/2007/06/09/kara-kopetsky-17-missing-since-may-4-2007-is-there-a-connection-to-kelsey-smith-murder/#comments

From the comments section of the above link. I know I posted about the comment from J. Burton Stone at WS, not sure if I posted it here. As you can all see, I left a comment of my own requestion clarification, which I don't know if J. Burton Stone has or will see.

I am also curious about the comment left asking if Belton's Mayor (Jimmy Odem) has a soundproof room in his basement. Thought that was interesting in relation to the other comments.

Snipped from link:

1. Please answer these five questions:
(1) Why did it take the Belton MO two (2) weeks to open and inventory Kara’s school locker?
(2)Why did the police release the man Kara was fighting with before she went missing?
(3) How is this man related to powerful members of the Belton community?
(4) Why has Kara’s name NOT been brought up once in City Council meetings?
(5) Whay has EquiSearch not been asked to come into the case?
Best Wishes,
Burton Stone
Comment by J Burton Stone | June 24, 2007
2. J.Burton Stone,
Please share with us why you want answers to these questions. Particularly the question about how Kylr is related to powerful members of the Belton Community. Many people have long been suspecting a coverup and this comment fits right into that. Please give more detail or give us a jumping off point for researching this further. thanks.
Comment by StillHoping | December 13, 2007
3. Does the belton Mayor have a sound proof room in his house? What is this used for and does anyone know about this?

[StillHoping]

I tried to send you a PM reguarding Kara's case, but your box is full. I sent it at WS instead.

Thanks,
StillHoping

[jtazzy]

:rose: Bumping for Kara... Your not forgotten.

[StillHoping]

I do not recall ever having had a dream about a missing person from any of the cases I follow.
Yet...last night, I had 3 seperate dreams about Kara. I don't claim to have prophetic dreams, and I doubt that these dreams mean anything more than that Kara is very much on my mind at all times.


Praying, as always, for her safety and happiness wherever she may be.

[Maelstrom5]

Rally Spotlights Local Missing People
Tour Remembers Kara Kopetsky, Jesse Ross

KMBC-TV 9
UPDATED: 5:35 pm CDT August 30, 2008

http://www.kmbc.com/news/17347819/detail.html

[Maelstrom5]

Parents of Missing Belton Teen Keeping Her Memory Alive

Last Edited: Saturday, 18 Oct 2008, 8:30 PM CDT

BELTON, MO. -- A Belton, Missouri, family has been waiting 17 months for news on their missing daughter, and the parents of 17-year-old Kara Kopetsky are working tirelessly to bring her back home. FOX 4's Bob Stepanich has the report

Fox Video at link:
http://tinyurl.com/5n53a7

[n/t]

Peter, do you think Tara may have been involved in some satanic cult?

I must admit that I haven't followed this case as closely as some of you but that poem posted gave me the creeps and satanic cult is the first thing that came to mind.

[Maelstrom5]

Hi nt,

You meant Kara lol, No; as far as I know Kara was not involved with cult activity, BUT, and this is a big but, she was friendly with a group of people who like to listen to and play a type of Heavy Metal music called "Death Metal". One of those people was her ex-boyfriend.

One of the very strange things about Kara’s case is that a number of the people she lists on her top friends list on MySpace have never been interested in helping to find her. A few; like Crystal, have and they have gone out of their way to help the Beckford’s out by attending rally’s and posting information on the internet; but most don’t want anything to do with it.

I find that interesting because in my experience those who are closest to a missing person are also the first people who step up to the plate and help out.

[n/t]

Hi nt,

You meant Kara lol, No; as far as I know Kara was not involved with cult activity, BUT, and this is a big but, she was friendly with a group of people who like to listen to and play a type of Heavy Metal music called "Death Metal". One of those people was her ex-boyfriend.

One of the very strange things about Kara’s case is that a number of the people she lists on her top friends list on MySpace have never been interested in helping to find her. A few; like Crystal, have and they have gone out of their way to help the Beckford’s out by attending rally’s and posting information on the internet; but most don’t want anything to do with it.

I find that interesting because in my experience those who are closest to a missing person are also the first people who step up to the plate and help out.

Yes, Kara. lol Thanks Peter.

That is very interesting. Do you think they may have an idea of where she may be but are afraid to come forward to help out? Are these "friends" all from the same town as Kara? I know that on Myspace and Facebook, you can have friends without even having met them in person. In other words, a friend of a friend and they just get added to your myspace, etc.