Mike Williams , 31,Lake Seminole, Fl-12/16/2000

[Tally4tell]

In tallahassee we have a mystery to solve for a mother whose now 37 year old son went missing on December 16, 2000.

A newspaper ADD(see excerpt below) by the mother best describes her situation and gained the attention of Jennifer Portman a reporter with the Tallahassee Democrat. Jennifer did a major story on Mike William's disappearance which was six years following his perceived death. Click here to read the story: http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061215/NEWS01/102190004

In summary Mike was declared legally dead within only six months after he disappeared. His body was never found.

It took his mother three years to obtain a criminal investigation. When the investigation began she was no longer allowed to see or talk to her son's daughter, her only granddaughter/grandchild at the time, who was only 5 1/2 years old.

Excerpt of Mother's Plea article follows:

PLEASE HELP ME FIND MY SON
My name is Cheryl Ann Williams and I haven't seen my son, Mike, in over 5 years. Will you please take a moment to read this and help me find him?



On the morning of December 16, 2000, my son Jerry Michael (Mike) Williams, supposedly went duck hunting at Lake Seminole in Sneads, Florida. He never returned.



At the time of Mike's disappearance he was 31 years old. He had duck hunted at Lake Seminole for many years. When he did not return from hunting that day the authorities assumed he drowned and alligators ate his body. No criminal investigation was done at the time.



Eighty people have drowned in Lake Seminole since the late 1800's. Mike's body is the only one that has never been found. Reptile experts have told me that alligators don't hunt or eat in December because the water is too cold. I do not believe my son died in Lake Seminole.



Florida law requires a 5-year waiting period before declaring a missing person dead. My son, Mike, was declared dead only six months after he went missing. His body has never been found.



The Florida Department of Law Enforcement, the Jackson County Sheriff's Department and the Florida State Attorney's Office are actively conducting a cold case criminal investigation into Mike's disappearance.



Mike's daughter was only 18 months old when he disappeared. He loved and adored her and would never have left her on purpose. She is now 7 years old and deserves to know what happened to her father.



• Were you hunting at Lake Seminole on December 16, 2000?



• Did you see Mike or his vehicle at Lake Seminole? Mike was driving a 1994 Ford Bronco that was green and tan with a FL license plate number L03-32J.

• Did you see Mike with anyone? Was someone else driving his vehicle?

• Did you see anything unusual that morning?

• Do you know anything, no matter how small, that would help criminal investigators find out what happened to my son?



Please call:

Jimmy Anderson

State Attorney's Office 850-606-6000

Derrick Wester

Jackson County Sheriff's Office 85Q-482-9624

Donnie Branch

Florida Department of Law Enforcement 850-767-3490



My husband, Jerry J. Williams, Mike's Father, died on September 12, 1998. Mike disappeared on December 16, 2000. Please help us solve the mystery of. Mike's disappearance and bring closure to me and my family.



Thank you,

Cheryl Ann Williams (Michael’s Mother)

END OF EXCERPT

[abby15]

His widow is the one who should be investigated. Had him declared dead, collected life insurance, then married his best friend?

[Tally4tell]

Grammybear,

I'm not Cheryl but I'll go ahead and tell you what I know about Mike being declared dead within 6 months. From what I see personal items were found within days of the judge requesting evidence of him having been in the lake. Because of this evidence the judge was able to declare him dead.

As to your downloading problem I haven't any clue what could be wrong but there is a website which has the base newspaper article in it. Maybe that will work for you. That website name is:

http://www.jerrymichaelwilliams.com/whats_new_1.html

I'm sure Cheryl would appreciate any advice you have toward helping to determine what became of her son. From what I can tell Cheryl(i.e. Ms Williams) has not yet joined the Tallahassee Democrat newspaper forum but it does appear a couple of the forum members are close friends with her. I'm sure they will inform her that you asked her a question.

[Lesley]

Hi Grammybear. Thank you for your offer to help with this case. You can print a poster of Mike from the National Center for Missing Adults website. Go to http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200705102S.

I agree with you as well, this case has been suspicious all the way down the line, and we won't give up until Mike is found. I will relay your message on to his mother, and thank you again.

[Tally4tell]

Hi Lesley,

I think the most direct link to Mike's NCMA profile is much better to provide everyone for printing Mike's missing persons poster. There is a "print a poster" button on his profile... Click:

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200705102S

Everyone read latest on the Tallahassee Democrat threads:

http://forum.tallahassee.com/viewtopic.php?t=18715

http://forum.tallahassee.com/viewtopic.php?t=19289

http://forum.tallahassee.com/viewtopic.php?t=18751

[Lesley]

To Grammybear

Thank you for your message and kind words, I will be sure to let Mrs. Williams know. We are doing everything we can to find Mike and are very grateful for people like you out there. As mentioned by Tally4Tell there are other threads at the Tallahassee Democrat you can go to, where you can make a comment and read other comments as well. Thank you again and God bless.

To Tally4Tell

Thank you so much for providing all the links, so that people can get to the forums, and for the best way to print out a poster of Mike. This information is very useful and much appreciated.

[Maid Marian]

Mrs Williams

I have read this story, and have located all the web sites. I will print out some posters on your behalf and put them up about town. Please let me know what else I can do for you.

I am praying for your son's safe return soon. I hope the Law Enforcement authorities will be able to solve this case and bring the guilty ones to trial. If people out there know something, they should come forward as soon as possible.

[awareness]

what a low blow to not allow Grandma to see her Grand-Daughter.

JMO/IMO

[Maid Marian]

I agree with you "awareness". It is very heartbreaking to read that Mrs Williams is not allowed to see her granddaughter. What goes around, comes around, I do believe that. One day, Mrs Winchester is going to have a lot of time to think about all that she has done - when she is sitting alone in prison.

The "widow and best friend" have Mike Williams declared dead within six months, collect life insurance money and then get married. Then all contact with Mike Williams' mother stops! Did the Judge who had him declared dead, know about the insurance money, and if so why didn't he investigate further. That should have been a red flag, why didn't he see it.

[Lucy]

What a sad story. The son disappears, the widow has him declared dead in record time - collects the insurance money, and now the mother of Mike Williams is not allowed any visitation with her granddaughter. What was the Judge thinking? It does make you wonder whether he knew the Winchesters. The whole thing doesn't add up.

Let's hope that law enforcement can solve this mystery - and soon.

Mrs Williams - let me know what we can do for you.

[Maid Marian]

I think maybe Lucy is right, did the Judge know the Winchesters? Has anyone out there heard of someone being declared dead in only 6 months. Why didn't the Judge look into what was going to happen afterwards. Collecting so much money in life insurance is definitely a motive for murder.

[Vixen]

I have been following this story for some time in the Democrat online, I think that Mr. Williams walked away from an impossible situation and after making a new start somewhere would have come back for his child.

How could he have known that a Judge would do what he did, and then not have a chance to make a new life with his child, because he was "dead". I think also that someone out there knows where he is. Let's hope they come forward soon.

[Maid Marian]

to Vixen

If you are right about him walking off and then wanting to come back for his child, who's to say that he won't try to come back again. Maybe he is reading this.

If he is out there, someone is protecting him. I only hope, for the sake of his family that he will come home safe, and soon.

[JJ Jackson]

Your theories may be right, but I think he is dead and the Winchesters killed him, and buried him somewhere away where he may not be found like a swamp.

There is a Psychic who makes comments on the other forum, he or she knows what happened. Maybe that person is working with law enforcement.

[milly]

JJ Jackson,

I remember that Mike went duck hunting to Stuttgart, AK during Thanksgiving of 2000 two weeks before he disappeared. Have you looked at the pictures of Mike? Is there any chance that you knew Mike or saw Mike at the time that he was out there? Have you seen him since?

What swamp do you think he was hidden in?

[JJ Jackson]

Milly

I have looked at the pictures of Mike and have asked around here. Don't know for sure, but will keep looking. The reason I said about the swamp is because if he had been in the lake or murdered, something would have been found there. This leads me to think he was put somewhere that nobody would think to look like a swampy area full of vegetation and where a body might not easily be found. I wonder, did the search for him cover these areas, and if not, don't you think it should have.

I ask myself why did the Judge on the case not think of this. He gave in to the widow far too easily by my reckoning.

[milly]

I would just like to ask you to ask around town and see if anyone remembers Mike, or if by any chance he might still be alive that he might have come back out there at another time. There are some people that think he may have just walked off and they asked me to ask this of you. You can also print posters out from the forum. Anything that you do to help with this case will be much appreciated.

Yes, we do not understand why the Judge made such a hasty decision to declare Mike dead.

As for the searching of swampy areas at the time he went missing several people were adament that Mike was in the lake and pushed that the lake be searched and the grounds not be searched. His Mother had to beg for 3 years for a criminal investigation to be opened on his disappearence. Several of the people around her don't think he even made it to the lake that day.

[Johnny Blue]

Reading through the story and comments on here and the Tallahassee Democrat online, I cannot help but wonder what happened to that sleepy little town I lived in when I was at Florida State University. Nothing ever happened back then, like this.

I think that Mike Williams must be dead, and JJ Jackson could be right about him being put somewhere, where a body would not easily be found. As for the widow not wanting publicity, I would have thought she would have welcomed as much publicity as she could get. Why in the world did she take the granddaughter away from the grandmother just because the grandmother got a criminal investigation.

[Vixen]

Johnny Blue,

If it had been my husband missing, I wouldn't stop searching until he was found. Seems to me, she couldn't wait to have him "dead" so she could marry Mr Winchester and live off the insurance money. One question keeps popping up, why did the insurance company pay out so quickly without any evidence that Mr Williams was dead. Did they go by what the Judge said and just paid out this large sum of money based on what was found, which it sounds like wasn't anything concrete. Why did "things" suddenly turn up after 6 months, it is very bizarre.

I don't know how many people are involved, but someone out there knows something, and they should tell law enforcement, so they can follow it up and bring the guilty to trial. There is no way that a man could have been eaten by an alligator, and leave no trace. I am very concerned about our legal system if someone disappears and they are declared dead so soon without waiting for the normal amount of time to pass.

Living with fraudulent money is one thing, living with guilt and sin is another.

[Johnny Blue]

Vixen

It's very odd that an insurance company should pay out so much money, so soon. Could it be that someone who is involved in the disappearance worked for or knew someone at the insurance company. The other thing you mentioned about things turning up at the scene 6 months later sounds like someone who was involved got scared and planted stuff to make sure people thought that Mike Williams had been in the lake and drowned.

It still doesn't explain the lack of a body, as we all know there would have been something. As for how many people are involved, after reading the article over again, I get the impression there has to be at least three or four people including the wife.

[Vixen]

Johnny Blue,

I had thought about the insurance company and if someone had either been working there or knew someone who did. It was rushed through and the money paid out very quickly. Unusual don't you think.

Do I think three or four people are involved, not only that but more, and certainly the wife. Otherwise, why stop visitation with the grandmother if you have nothing to hide.

[milly]

Johnny Blue,

Funny you should ask that, the main person of interest owned the main insurance company that paid out insurance to the widow. Of course since it looked like an accident she got double indemnity from Kansas City Life.

[Johnny Blue]

Milly

I just knew there had to be something like that, because how did all that insurance money get paid so quickly, to the widow who had Mike Williams declared dead so soon.

So the whole thing was made to look like an accident, so the widow could get double the amount! The Judge didn't see through this? Then the widow cuts all ties with her "dead" husband's family, because an investigation opens up. She obviously does have something to hide, otherwise she wouldn't have done that, she would have taken comfort in his family, all working together to find Mike Williams. Did she ever explain to anyone why she had him declared dead so soon, or did she just keep quiet and collect the money?

[milly]

Johnny Blue,


Another funny question that you should ask about the widow. She kept quiet and collected the money, even though she had enough money in the bank to support her and the child for many years if she wanted to look for Mike, she was not destitute like she made out to the Judge and everyone else.

[milly]

JJ Jackson,

Maybe you can check out some of those swamps over there in Stuttgart. Also it might be interesting for you to know that when Mike was out there hunting two weeks before he disappeared, the best friend who is now married to the widow was hunting along with him. They drove out there in the best friends car and the best friend participated in one of the trials out there that week.

[JJ Jackson]

Milly,

I will certainly look all around the swampy areas, will get some of my friends to help. I'll also look in other areas as well, woody areas and places that a body might remain hidden.

Thanks for the information, and glad to help.

[milly]

JJ,

Thanks for all your help. I guess it is just a coincidence that someone from where Mike went hunting has spoke up on this bulletin board and the other coincidence is that everyone called Mike's Dad JJ. :)

[JJ Jackson]

Milly

It's always been a good name for me, my daddy and my granddaddy. Always glad to help out, if I see anything or find out something over here, I'll be letting you all know.

[Johnny Blue]

Milly

If the widow had enough money to live on without the insurance money, why did she rush to collect. This story has more to it. Was the widow or best friend involved in something criminal, and had to pay back "the money". Could Mike Williams have found something out, and they had to keep him quiet. He could have heard them talking, or followed them. What if he did walk off to protect himself with the intention of coming back for his child. Or did they just kill him and take his body away - where? If I had been a law enforcement officer on this case, I would have wanted to scrutinize all the vehicles, especially those belonging to the "persons of interest". If Mike Williams was taken away in one of the vehicles, there would have been some evidence, no matter how small.

I also went into the Missing Adults website that was on the Tallahassee Democrat forum, and have printed out some posters. Every little bit helps.

[milly]

Johnny Blue,

You asked a lot of unanswered questions. Mike could have walked off but with the type of person that Mike was there are many of us that don't think Mike would have left his Mother and Daughter for this long, much less let his so called best friend raise his daughter. Law Enforcement didn't look at anything in a timely manner because at the time that Mike went missing they were convinced he was in the lake, now several years later since Mike's mother asked them to reopen the case they are starting to look at things.

Thank you for printing off the posters and putting them up, like you said every little bit does help.

[Lesley]

Johnny Blue

I just wanted to say thank you on behalf of Mrs. Williams and all the friends and family that are looking for Mike. It is very comforting to know that there are people out there like you and all the others that have helped and commented on this forum. We are grateful that you are printing out posters and putting them up over there in Kansas.

We will continue to keep looking, and once again a big THANK YOU to all of you out there helping us.

[Tally4tell]

Johnny Blue,

I too want to say thanks on behalf of all of us diligently trying to come up with possibilities or theories as to what happened to Mike Williams.

On December 15th, 2006 the Tallahassee Democrat Newspaper published a complete package of three articles, written by Jennifer Portman, as a follow-up to Mrs. Williams' ad paid out of Mrs. Williams own pocket. Please see under Special Reports: Cold Case: The Mike Williams Mystery on WWW.TDO.COM

The Democrat then placed those three newspaper articles, photos of the lake, etc. and a video on the front page of their website. They did all this as a public service in what they call crowd resourcing and timed publishing the articles to coincide with the 6th anniversary of Mike's disappearance.

Thankfully too the Democrat has allowed a link to stay on their home page which ties all the package together which in turn has allowed threads for folks to make comments. The Democrat has gone above and beyond in their generosity and they are a vital part in our collective effort to help find Mike Williams.

Any help you can give us Johnny Blue, or anyone else here on CourtTV, is greatly appreciated.

[JJ Jackson]

Milly

If Mike Williams went hunting in Arkansas, maybe someone over here might have met him and who knows, could help with this case. I could put some posters up at "hunting lodges" and high traffic areas such as a train station or the local police station. As Johnny Blue mentioned, I see posters can be downloaded from the center for missing adults website, a good idea.

I talked to a few of my hunting buddies and they are willing to do the same. We are all fathers ourselves, and can only imagine the pain the mother of Mr Williams is going through. Not only that, but to have her son's "widow" treat her so badly. As I said before, I've been looking around, and will help where I can.

[milly]

JJ,

Mike was definitely in Stuttgart two weeks before he went missing here in Tallahassee. All of the places you mentioned that you can post the posters sound like really good places.

We really do appreciate everything that you are doing to help solve this case. Please tell all of your hunting buddies that help out that we also appreciate them. You guys be safe in your hunting and your travels, our prayers are with you.

Thank you.

[Johnny Blue]

Milly

Did one of the "persons of interest" take away the vehicle that Mike Williams was driving. If so, does anyone know where this vehicle is now. It sounds like nothing was investigated on the day of his disappearance except only around the lake. It is very suspicious that nothing else and nowhere else was looked into. Where was the widow when all this was going on? Was she looking with the others?

I still think the "persons of interest" may have been involved in something other than just collecting insurance money. If they did kill him, I am sure there were a few other people involved in disposing of the body. Was the widow ever questioned by law enforcement, did she readily agree to being questioned? I wonder, did the Judge involved in this case, have an insurance policy with the Insurance Company that paid out? Would he have declared one of his children "dead" in only 6 months, I think not. A lot of things don't add up at all.

[milly]

Johnny Blue,

Yes one of the persons of interests was the one that drove Mike's car and boat away from the lake. The vehicle was driven to the person's of interest Fathers house. The vehicle and both of his boats were sold soon after Mike was declared dead. You are correct nothing else was investigated on the day that he was reported missing because several people kept insisting that he was in the lake. The widow never went to the location that Mike was said to have gone missing from. The widow was only questioned once at the time by law enforcement, not sure if she has been questioned recently. Not sure how willingly she went. The other person of interest was also only questioned once to my knowledge.

You are right two plus two doesn't equal four in this equation.

[Ella's Mom]

Hello All

Today is the first time I have heard about this case. I have read up as much as I can. I do have a few questions, and hope some can help to answer:

1 - Were there marital problems that anyone knew of? Was there talk of divorce. Was he planning on leaving his wife?

2 - Anyone know if there was speculation of an affair (on either part)? I understand that the wife married the best friend. If they were having an affair prior to, this is definitely suspect. BUT, it also could have been very innocent in the beginning. They could have leaned on eachother for comfort when they lost their loved one. That friendship may have later turned into a relationship.

3 - In the newspaper article it said that Mike told his mother he'd like $50,000 to take a year off. I am wondering if this meant he wanted to stop working for a year or get away from everyone for a year?

Any idea of why or how this was said? Was it just wishful talking like "gee, I'd like to win the lotto, so I don't have to work anymore." Or was there a reason for it? I know most won't be able to answer this, but the posters that know the mother may have a better idea.

4 - Have reasons been given to the grandmother as to why the mother won't let her see her grandchild? The article only states that she isn't allowed to see the child because she is still investigating the case. I am just wondering if there is more to it (i.e. has the grandmother accused the mother of murdering her son (with or without grandaughter being present), have things been said to the granddaughter that put the mother in a bad light, have threats been made to the mother, etc).

If those types of things were/are happening, I could see where there might be a concern. The article stated she was "crazy from grief." So what does crazy mean? Did she do things that made her seem crazy?


Please know that I am not trying to offend anyone by this post and my questions. I am just trying to get an understanding of this case. The article seems to be somewhat one-sided.

JMO

[Lesley]

Ella's Mom

Thank you for your interest in this case. Mrs. Williams is not allowed to comment on this open forum because when this case comes to trial, she will be one of the main witnesses. She would like you to know that she never said or did anything to hurt her grandchild. She never said anything bad to the granddaughter about her mother. She never said anything bad to her granddaughter about her son's disappearance, except that he was in Heaven.

Mike's mother was kept in the dark about her son's marriage because her husband, Mike's father had died due to medical malpractice 18 months earlier. The only one threatened, has been Mrs. Cheryl Williams, Mike's mom.

By the way Ella's mom, grandmama Cheryl is writing a book about her son's disappearance, and it is dedicated to her granddaughter.

She was called crazy, because she would not believe that her son was in the lake, and was eaten by alligators in the winter time when alligators don't eat, and 80 people have drowned in that lake; Mike's body was the only one not found.

[Ella's Mom]

Lesley

Thank you for the response. I realize some of my questions may have seemed insensitive. It was not at all my intent.

I am happy to hear that Cheryl has continued to keep her grand-daughter's best interests in mind. My heart hurts that she cannot see her grand-daughter and everything else she has had to endure since her son's disappearence.

I also want you to know that even though I posed those questions, I do agree that the circumstances regarding this case are very suspect and I commend Cheryl for continuing to fight for justice for her son.

I will continue to follow this case and look forward to reading the book she is writing.

[Vixen]

to Lesley

I too have been following this case now for some time, and I agree with you, Mrs Williams is not crazy, she is doing what any other mom would do, trying to find her missing son and finding out what happened.

Yes, if she would be a key witness to the case when it goes to trial, she cannot make comments. She is doing everything right and hopefully, with the help she is getting will find out what happened to her son, and what was going on with the widow and best friend.

I talked to a friend of mine who knows about the eating habits of various animals and reptiles, and he said alligators will not eat in cold weather, even if the bait was right in front of it. So Mrs Williams is absolutely right in pursuing this case, because the Judge and others were wrong.

[Maid Marian]

Ella's Mom

The newspaper article states that the Winchesters were invited to comment and give their side of the story, and they refused. That's the reason it might seem one sided.

[JJ Jackson]

To Milly

The newspaper article didn't say how much was paid out in insurance money to the "widow." Do you know how much she got?

Reading the comments on tdo.com, it's obvious that the Judge and other officials are all buddies together, and are each covering for each other. If one slips up, which is obvious here, then the others cover and do whatever is necessary. What a shame, if only the Judge had done his job instead of thinking about his little group of buddies, this case would have taken a different direction, the right direction.

I wonder, does the "widow and best friend" read these comments? Does the Judge read them, I hope so. In my opinion, it's only a matter of time before the truth comes out, which it will I have no doubt, and Judges/State Attorneys and Sheriffs are NOT above the law, at least not here in Arkansas.

[Vixen]

JJ Jackson

Just read your comments, and you are so right. Judges and officials as you mentioned are not above the law. Arkansas, here in Georgia or Florida. I had the feeling that somehow all this group of "buddies" were looking out for each other, even to the extent of dismissing evidence and information that was relative and vital to the case.

Makes you wonder what the widow did with all that money. If she wasn't involved in anything criminal, she would have had a lot of money to pay off "friends" who helped! The whole thing leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. I still have no doubt that the truth will come out, I hope she is ready to see life behind bars.

[Lucy]

Vixen and JJ Jackson

Nobody is above the law, not even the President of our country. So if the Judge is reading this, you are not above the law.

I have been involved in many a case, and this one is certainly up there as far as "big holes" go. The good ole boy network is alive and strong, but in my experience, there is always someone who comes forward. The guilt just gets too much or they think they will get something out of it.

I bet if someone took a look at the Winchesters' bank accounts, what an eye opener I am sure that would be. I wonder how many people have profitted with all the exchange of monies. I always thought that insurance companies were very careful before they paid out large sums of money, but there again if there is someone working on the inside, they would have made sure of a cover up and get the pay out through.

As mentioned before, there is no such thing as a perfect crime. Doesn't matter how small, evidence always turns up.

[Mervina]

I am new to this forum, but I have been following this story online through tdo.com and I wanted to make a comment on courttv. My question is did the widow have debts nobody knew about, and these debts became "due and payable." It may have been the only way she could pay this, through insurance fraud and what better way to do that but with an insurance company that had someone working on the inside.

Couldn't the State Attorney's office have supboena'd the insurance policies, wouldn't that have shown discrepancies. Now, the Judge is another matter. The whole thing seems extremely sinister to me. Someone mentioned dog graves and large boats going out in the gulf, what about large dumping grounds where people take their old unwanted household goods including freezers. It may sound a little "out there" but it's possible and if it was done at night, how would anyone know.

I feel real sorry for the mother of Mike Williams, what a nightmare. From what I am reading, it sounds like she has a good circle of friends and family. Keep up the good work and I sure do hope that the justice that needs to prevail, will and soon.

[Johnny Blue]

Just got up and started to read the comments. I agree with you Mervina, this case has a very sinister aspect to it. It all seemed too easy for the "widow" to collect insurance money, but as you say if there was someone working on the inside, how convenient. I still think there is more to that, I still get the feeling she was involved in something.

Lucy - you're right, there is no such thing as a perfect crime, not in my experience. Sometimes it takes a while, but sure enough something turns up or someone slips up and the whole thing comes out in the open. Nobody is above the law, and certainly not a Judge.

baby cakes of tdo.com forum - Why did the "widow" only agree to be interviewed after four years and by a television station! What about right after her husband's disappearance. Didn't she want media coverage then to help find him, or did she know that he was already dead and preferred to lie low. In my experience that usually means guilt. Her lawyer, was he a friend of hers and Mr. Winchester, or maybe the Judge or Sheriff? I certainly know about "the ole boy network" but being buddies shouldn't stop the legal system from working correctly, should it?

[Tally4tell]

Johnny Blue,

I think you misunderstood. The "widow" agreed to be interviewed by law enforcement not the media.

Thanks again for your ideas. Keep them coming.

[Johnny Blue]

Tally4Tell

So the "widow" agreed to be interviewed by law enforcement, but this was after four years? Why did she not talk to them sooner? I have a gut feeling that she is the key to this case. What did she tell law enforcement? If she was not out looking for her husband, what was she doing.

Good point about a freezer that you mentioned on the other forum. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that Mike Williams was put in one, or in the trunk of a vehicle and taken somewhere else and buried. I guess no sniffer dogs were used right? If they were only searching the lake itself, vital clues would have been missed starting from the house where they lived.

[Vixen]

Mervina

The Insurance Commission of the State of Florida also investigated Mike Williams' disappearance and the possibility of insurance fraud. You might be interested to know, they have never closed this case.

[Mervina]

Vixen

If they haven't closed the case, is it possible it could be investigated again? Maybe someone at that Commission might see something that was missed, who knows the widow might get investigated and "fraud" comes to light. What about letting them know about this forum.

[milly]

JJ,

It was over a million, not sure what the total was. I do know that it was double indemnity since it was classified as accidental.

I am with you, it will just be a matter or time before someone gets fed up with being silent or just can't handle the stress anymore and blows. Hopefully sooner not later.

[Lucy]

Mervina,

What a coincidence that you mention dumping grounds. There are quite a few around here, south Georgia and Alabama. Remember you can register with tdo.com and make comments on our forum too.

Milly,

I wonder how much of that "pay-out" is still left. If Mrs. Winchester is involved in something, the money could have gone paying out "to keep quiet" !! You are right about someone getting fed up and talking, it almost always happens.

[milly]

Lucy,

She did buy a nice piece of property right next door to her new father in law and they haved started clearing this land and they have applied for building permits so she has kept "some" of the money. I believe she got a lot of insurance money and she wasn't bad off before Mike went missing.

[Lucy]

Milly

Sounds like she has got everything she wanted then. Had money, gets more money, gets married and "lives happily ever after" - or maybe not.

[milly]

Lucy,

She also got a paycheck from Mike's job for 10 months after he disappeared, his Social security and his insurance. She didn't have to have him declared dead because of a shortage of money.

[Tally4tell]

See Tallahassee Democrat video clip:

http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061215/VIDEO/102190001

Video shows Mike's mom, Ms Williams at home, the actual spot in lake where Mike's boat, waders, jacket, and his vehicle and boat trailer were found. Also the very nice concrete public landing is shown which is North of the town of Sneads Florida right outside of town and just off the paved public highway. When viewing video keep in mind the same public highway, which I estimate to be about a half mile further North of the public landing, runs parallel to the lake only about 30 - 50 yards behind camera person.

The nice public landing was normally used by Mike and he'd run his boat around and into the cove. How or why his vehicle and boat trailer were down at the roadside shore line by the cove is also a mystery.

Please allow time for commercial to run... sorry :o(

[Lucy]

Milly

If the widow didn't have money issues, she had her husband declared dead for something else. This case seems to go in many directions. In my opinion however, she seems to be the key person in this case. I noticed on the other forum, drugs were mentioned. Does anyone know if the widow took drugs and was dealing in them? I still think she is/was involved in something illegal that needed to be covered up, and if she had plenty of money then it was to prevent her from going to prison.

Tally4Tell

If Mike Williams was a man of habit, he would have left his vehicle and boat trailer in the same place, but it was not. Again, this points to someone else leaving them there, another red flag which should have been picked up. In all the years of investigating, I have never heard of "only searching the lake" in other words, only one place. Even if it might seem obvious not to search a particular place, you still do. Everything needed to be investigated, especially the vehicle.

[milly]

Lucy,

Also in the article you will see that the boat motor manufacturer said that if Mike did fall out of the boat it would have kept on running and ran out of gas. The boat did not, it was found up against the bank with a full tank of gas.

[Lucy]

Milly,

I had already thought of that, somebody slipped up because you're right, if Mike Williams had fallen out of the boat, it would have kept going until it ran out of gas and just floated. How did a boat get itself up on the bank?

Then there is the alligators! No trace of Mike Williams, no torn pieces of clothing, no remains, nothing. That is unheard of. Somebody really didn't do their homework when they staged this scene.

[milly]

Lucy,

Also there was the storm that night that would have blown the boat up to the opposite bank, not the one that it was found at. And it was only 75 yards from where his truck and trailer were. What are the odds that the boat would have floated back, no engine on, a full tank of gas and after a storm that should have pushed it to the other shore, that close to where he supposedly put in. Which wasn't were he normally put in, why drag a boat by yourself through muck and mud when you can drive a little bit down the road and put in on concrete? :flamemad:

[JJ Jackson]

Milly

The odds you mention are very high. There is absolutely no way a boat could do that, and it would not have had any gas left in it. If Mike Williams fell out of the boat, how could he turn the engine off?

Lucy

Somebody definitely didn't do their homework when they staged this "fake" scene.

[Johnny Blue]

JJ Jackson

You're right, there is no way a boat would do that. So while everybody was looking "in the lake", other events were happening elsewhere, there is no doubt. All the evidence seems to point to the vehicle.

[floridagrl1]

I am not sure what kind of boat or motor he had but could he have maybe had a kill switch attached to a life vest or something and when he fell out of the boat the motor shut off. I know a lot of fishermen have these but not sure about hunters, like I said not sure what kind of boat he had maybe they use them on larger boats. It is just a thought.

[floridagrl1]

Dont get me wrong I do think there is more going on here with this case, but I also know that there is a way for the motor to cut off if someone falls out.

[milly]

Florida Girl,

They questioned the manufacturer of the motor and this is what he said,

"If he had been running the boat and fell out, it would have kept running in circles until it ran out of gas," said Warren Coco, owner of the Baton Rouge company that manufactured the 5-horsepower Go Devil motor Williams bought in Bainbridge, Ga., in 1997. "Something sounds fishy on that deal."

This was not a big boat, nor a big motor, see the picture here if you have not already looked at the article.

http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061215/NEWS01/102190002

[floridagrl1]

oh, ok It was a small motor. I just know that bigger motors have this ability and I had not seen the photo of the boat yet. got it:)

[Mervina]

Lucy

Read your comments and those of Milly, yes it sounds so fake. How did a boat get up on the bank by itself! It had to have been dragged up there, probably by at least two people. Maybe the best friend and someone else helping him "stage" the scene. The widow is at home not helping look for her missing husband, probably all the while hoping that nobody is checking other things out, like the vehicle as Johnny Blue mentioned.

I hope that law enforcement are taking this case as far as they can to reach a conclusion. What are they doing with their investigation.

[milly]

Witnesses saw Mike's boat up against the shore in the same place that it was found at 8 a.m. on the morning that he supposedly disappeared. The boat was found 24 hours later in the same spot that the witnesses saw it the morning before. By the way Fish and Game lost the name of those two witnesses.

[Mervina]

Milly

How convenient, two witnesses' names just get lost. Do you think there are people at the Fish and Game that know something or are covering up something, it sure does sound "fishy" - no pun intended.

From what I have read on both forums, there sure does seem to be a lot of people involved in Mike Williams' disappearance, I agree with Johnny Blue, there has to be at least three or four. I just don't get how law enforcement didn't see something wrong. What are they doing now to correct this?

[milly]

I am not sure what Law Enforcement is doing which is why I made a comment on the other forum that I wish they would update us on the case.

[Johnny Blue]

Milly,

Just read the comment from Crime Fighter on the other forum. He says that three agencies are meeting to discuss this case. That's good news, hopefully someone at that meeting will have been reading these comments. I think that maybe somebody is going to bring this case out in the open, at long last, as a crime incident and not accident incident.

Lucy is absolutely correct, somebody always comes forward, and evidence always turns up.

[milly]

The truck and boat were taken to Brian's parents house. While it was there it sat in a carport that had a roof and walls for 9 months. Mike's uncle who is retired federal law enforcement and Mike's brother looked in the truck in March and it was bone dry. Mike's mother asked to look inside the truck in August and wasn't allowed to look in it until September. When Mikes brother opened the door of the vehicle he had to struggle to get it open because the doors were stuck shut from mildew and mold. Everything in the truck was soaking wet, you could ring water from all of Mikes hunting jackets and clothes. It seemed as if the truck was sprayed out with a water hose since the windows were shut tightly and the truck was under shelter. The truck was sold approximately 6 weeks later. Mrs. Williams asked that the truck and boat be taken to her house and was told no. Was this done to hide any kind of evidence or to inconvenience Mrs. Williams? We will never know now because Fish and Game failed to secure the vehicle.

[Johnny Blue]

Milly

So the truck was parked in a car port and was dry, then it was soaking wet inside a few months later. Somehow I knew this vehicle was involved in Mike Williams' disappearance, just a gut feeling from being involved in so many cases.

Then, conveniently the vehicle is sold. Someone at this Game and Fish obviously knew something and was helping to cover it up. So, we have someone at the insurance company, someone at this Game and Fish and perhaps another official to keep these people "in the loop."

I hope this "meeting" will shed some light on what now needs to be done, and the coverage it is getting in the Democrat and other forums will assist law enforcement to get to the bottom of this "phony" accidental drowning.

[Lucy]

Johnny Blue

Out of every 100 cases, at least 90 are solved because of somebody coming forward with information. I think this is going to be one of them.

The scene at the lake was definitely a set up, and then somebody plants evidence 6 months later. So many alarm bells should have been ringing, but the Judge was apparently deaf.

[milly]

There are several comments that haven't been made before on the other forum. You all might want to check it out.

[Johnny Blue]

Good question from hurricanebeader24

If the widow's family did not know about the earrings, how come they turned up for her birthday from her father! This person sounds very twisted. Not only that, she sounds very calculating. Then there is her father, yelling and shouting. These are not actions of a concerned individual, but of someone trying to hide something with emotional behavior.

[Vixen]

Mervina

I read on the other forum that all three investigating agencies are meeting to discuss Mike Williams' disappearance and where to go from here.

Sounds like at least something is now being done.

[JJ Jackson]

Why was the vehicle soaking wet inside, could it be because they were trying to wash evidence away. It wouldn't go away with just washing it down with water.

Then what about the missing keys and shoes. If the bottom of the lake had been searched properly and Mike Williams had indeed drowned, the keys would have been found. Did the alligators eat the shoes. Alligators don't eat everything including items of clothing in one mouthful, so where were the pieces of clothing that would have been shredded in an alligator attack.

Then there are two witnesses, whose names suddenly get lost. If this investigation had been handled by competent law enforcement, there would have been no way key witnesses' names would be lost.

[Maid Marian]

I feel very sorry for the mother of this missing man. All she wanted was to find out what happened to her son, and did what any loving mother would do, try to get to the truth.

The widow and best friend have a lot to answer for. I hope that this investigation will proceed after reading that a meeting is to be held. Somebody is going to get to the bottom of this, and as Lucy said evidence always turns up.

[Lucy]

Just a note. Ground Penetrating Radar is an amazing device. It has become one of law enforcement's potent weapons. It found bodies of people who died in the flue epidemic of the early 1900's in Alaska. These bodies were buried by hundreds of feet of ice. Surely, if Mike Williams' body had been in the lake, Ground Penetrating Radar would have found it.

[JJ Jackson]

I have just been reading the other forum, and the Tallahassee Democrat online, and I see that another person who was involved in Mike Williams' case, has now been fired. Kind of a coincidence, don't you think.

[milly]

JJ Jackson,

And it is very sad that she was fired. Did you notice also that it was all for having a RICH man arrested for killing his wife? Sound familiar?

[JJ Jackson]

Milly

Yes it does sound familiar. What a shame, another person who can't work on Mike Williams' case now. It sure does sound as if someone got rid of her on purpose. Not an "ole boy".

[Vixen]

Milly

What a "strange" coincidence, or not. I wonder why this person was fired so quickly from the State Attorney Office? Kinda convenient!

[milly]

Very Strange. There are a lot of people here in Tallahassee that are not happy about this firing.

Johnny Blue and Lucy,
What is your take on LE and BE on the TDO forum. Do you think they are part of the group of persons of interest?

[Lucy]

floridagirl1

In case nobody has said it, the Fish and Game report says that Mike's boat motor did not have what they call a "kill switch".

Milly

Yes, I do think they are part of the group of the "persons of interest".

[Vixen]

to: Mervina

I just read it online, that the second in command in the State Attorney Office, Robin Lotane just got fired.

We have no idea who will prosecute Mike's case when it gets to court.

[Johnny Blue]

Milly,

I just read on Tallahassee Democrat online that the law enforcement agencies assigned to this case have met? It looks like the Grand Jury will be meeting, I hope this means then they have all the evidence they need now to convict.

[milly]

Johnny Blue,

Me too. Let's all hope and add a lot of prayer to it.

[Tally4tell]

Please print posters of Mike Williams by clicking this link or if necessary by copying and pasting this link into your browser window. This will take you directly to Mike's profile and there you will find a "button" which will print his poster.

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200705102S

THANK YOU!!!!!!! :)

[Lucy]

Johnny Blue

Do you think Mrs. Williams has a possible lawsuit for "botching" the investigation into her son's disappearance, against the State of Florida?

[Johnny Blue]

Lucy

Yes, I do. She should pursue it.

[Vixen]

Does anybody know what happened with the meeting that took place with the investigating agencies?

Johnny Blue, it sounds to me like Mrs Williams would have a good case against State of Florida for a major screw up?

[Johnny Blue]

Vixen:

Like I said to Lucy, Mrs. Williams should pursue a case against the State of Florida.

This is a message to besteagle of the Tallahassee Forum. I've always heard "if you follow the money, you'll find your killer."

[Lucy]

Johnny Blue

In my experience, I agree. Almost always the killer is the person who has "come into money" or stood to inherit.

I hope the mother of Mike Williams will be able to take out a lawsuit against the State, I think she has a very good case.

[Maid Marian]

I am also asking the question about the investigating agencies. The meeting took place? Does anybody know if they now have enough evidence to convict as somebody mentioned Grand Jury.

If I was Mrs Williams, I would take out a case against the State of Florida. I have wondered whether the Judge who had Mike Williams declared dead was bought?

[JJ Jackson]

Johnny Blue and Lucy

Like you said, it's the one who inherits the money who is usually the prime suspect, it sure does look like maybe the Judge was "bought" as Maid Marian mentioned. Boy, this case is sure going to be a "media" event when it gets to the Grand Jury.

I am following this case every day on this forum and the other forum. The State of Florida, State Attorney, Judge and law enforcement "screwed" up big time.

[Chan]

To Vixen,

Rumour has it, that the meeting did take place and that all of the investigating agencies are working hard to pull everything together in preparation for a Grand Jury.

[Maid Marian]

Chan, any news on the Grand Jury? I know I am going to be there, I want to see justice served on the two guilty individuals.

[milly]

That will be a packed court room.

[Maid Marian]

Milly

Yes, standing room only.

[Chan]

Maid Marian,

All I have heard was that the Grand Jury would be meeting soon.

[Maid Marian]

I am waiting to hear when the Grand Jury will meet. I see on the other forum that Mrs Williams' granddaughter has a birthday soon. I hope and pray that Mrs Williams will be able to see her.

[Vixen]

Does anybody out there have any new information they can share with us, about this case. I read both forums everyday, and am eagerly awaiting news.

[Lucy]

Vixen

I am sure there are a lot of things going on at the State Attorneys Office. As soon as I hear anything, I will put the information on this forum.

[Johnny Blue]

Does anybody know how much Lamar English got paid for making that dive at Lake Seminole? It seems to me, that he would do anything for money.

[Lucy]

I have just been reading the TDO forum and see that the video of Mike Williams' memorial service was stolen just minutes after the taping. Stolen from the church. Does anybody have any idea where that tape is now. Was there something incriminating on it?

[Johnny Blue]

If the video of Mike Williams' memorial service was stolen immediately after taping, this would mean that nobody had actually seen the video to know what was on it. So why would anybody steal it?

[JJ Jackson]

Does the extradition treaty we have with Costa Rica, include money in banks and offshore accounts?

[Vixen]

I think the diver, Lamar English should call Derrick Wester and tell him everything he knows before he is charged with murder or accessory to murder.

[Lucy]

On the TDO forum, somebody stated there was "overwhelming evidence." If that is true, couldn't that person help to get an attorney to represent Mrs. Williams?

[JJ Jackson]

Lucy,

Interesting question. If there is overwhelming evidence, are Law Enforcement nearer to a conviction and arrest? I am sure there is a Lawyer who could help Mrs. Williams.

[JJ Jackson]

I am responding to an earlier comment made on the TDO forum. The alligator digestive system shuts down totally in cold weather. It can't eat. If Mike's body had been in the lake, as Lucy stated ground penetrating radar would have picked it up.

[Maid Marian]

to JJ Jackson

I agree, Ground Penetrating Radar would have picked up something, if Mike Williams had been where they said he was. I read those articles by the diver, mentioned on the other forum. It is obvious to me that he was paid to put evidence in the lake, paid off and then the Judge was lied to and convinced to declare a man dead.

I also read the comments from bubba. How easy would it have been to forge someone's signature on an insurance policy.

[Snake Eyes]

I've been following the story about Mike Williams and the 'persons of interest' since day one. I finally decided to make a comment. Here it is.

As someone who has worked in the insurance industry for many years, I have to say the Mike Williams case raises many red flags.

1. If a young man takes out a large amount of life insurance and gets run over by a truck 6 months later, that's one thing; but if he disappears on a hunting trip and his body is never found, that is more than suspicious.
2. Mike Williams' best friend Brian, is his insurance agent, Brian works for his father who owns the insurance agency in Tallahassee.
3. The widow holds a public memorial service 2 months after Mike Williams disappears, still no body has been recovered.
4. The day after the memorial service, she is trying to get an attorney to declare her husband legally dead.
5. She found an attorney, but lied to him. The attorney lied to the Judge unknowingly, and the Judge declares him dead.
6. A diver who is a friend of a friend of the family finds evidence in the lake a few days before a scheduled hearing, where the Judge declares Mike Williams dead. He had time to collect and plant evidence, because he knew he had enough time to do so before the hearing.
7. The widow neglected to tell her attorney that there was another insurance company involved. Why? The widow collects millions of dollars in insurance money, 5 years later marries the best friend, who was her husband's insurance agent.

I don't understand why the widow and her new husband are not in jail for insurance fraud and social security fraud. Isn't social security fraud a federal offense?

Is there anyone out there that can answer these questions?

I also posted the same comments on the tdo.com forum yesterday, and after reading that there was a link on this forum, decided I would now participate on court tv.

[Johnny Blue]

Snake Eyes

I don't know why the Winchesters are not in jail for insurance fraud either. Who do you think is the Whistleblower? I have my own theories, what are yours?

[Snake Eyes]

Under FL Statute 817.234, a person who defrauds or deceives an Insurer can face a prison sentence of up to 40 years, depending on the amount of money fraudulently obtained.

Mrs. Winchester and her lawyer also lied to the Judge, another crime.

I am still left wondering why the insurance companies paid out such a large amount of money on a 'presumption.'

[awareness]

any relation??? to location, etc?

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=298232

[SnoopyLover]

I doubt it Awareness, the skull was found in Broward county, which is way south fla, at the bottom, (in the alligator alley). Jackson County is way up at the top of Florida, closer to Georgia and Alabama counties. jmo

[Lucy]

This is very interesting. I hope Derrick Wester of the Jackson County Sheriff's Office follows this up. I don't agree with you SnoopyLover, I think Mike Williams could be anywhere in Florida. The "persons of interest" had time to take his body south and bury it. It could be in Broward County. This should be investigated.

[Maid Marian]

Thank you Awareness for bringing this information about the skull found in Broward County in Florida to our attention. Hopefully Law Enforcement is now checking this out.

[SnoopyLover]

Originally posted by Lucy
This is very interesting. I hope Derrick Wester of the Jackson County Sheriff's Office follows this up. I don't agree with you SnoopyLover, I think Mike Williams could be anywhere in Florida. The "persons of interest" had time to take his body south and bury it. It could be in Broward County. This should be investigated.

Lucy....

I was pointing out the distance of the two areas and I still think it is doubtful. The skull that was found was small enough for them to even think it could have been an animal. My post has nothing to do with Mike Williams but, yes, he could have been taken anywhere.

Do you realize that finding a body in Florida state happens just about every day, especially in the summer months? Atleast, it seems that way to me by keeping up with the news.

By all means, report it. I am thinking the ME has already done that, however. :confused:

[Johnny Blue]

Snoopylover,

I agree with Lucy, I think the "persons of interest" had enough time to take Mike's body anywhere in the State of Florida, southwest Georgia or southeast Alabama if they killed him.

[SnoopyLover]

OKay J Blue..

Here is another one that was found on the 27th.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...0,6991899.story

That link doesn't work for some reason, when I posted it here.

Here is the gist of the story.

Girl, 6, finds piece of skull, possibly human, at Hobie Beach

Alva James-Johnson
Posted May 27 2007


A 6-year-old Miramar girl found part of a skull with three teeth still attached to it while playing with her family at Hobie Beach on Key Biscayne, South Florida Sun-Sentinel news partner CW News reported

Police were still trying to determine Sunday night whether the skull belonged to a human being.


The little girl, Breana Garcia, thought she had found a shell.

But her father thought it looked like a human jawbone, according to CW News.

The family took the bone from Hobie Beach to their home computer to investigate further. They soon realized that they would need the help of detectives. So they called Miramar police.

Police took the skull to the Broward County Medical Examiner's Office for examination. The incident is still under investigation.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...-home-headlines

[Johnny Blue]

Snoopylover

Thanks for letting us know about the link. I tried to open it, but it's saying 'server error.' I'll try again later. If the skull still had teeth attached to it, they should be able to match up with dental records.

If I can get into the link, I'll let you know.

[Johnny Blue]

Hey Snoopylover

Did you ever get into that link? Have you read the comments on the TDO.com forums? What about a comment on those?

[Maid Marian]

to SnoopyLover

Is there any chance the part from the second skull found in Key Biscayne belongs to the other skull found earlier in Broward County?

[Vixen]

SnoopyLover

If you are still following the story on Sun Sentinel newspaper about the missing skulls, do you know if they have been identified yet by law enforcement?

[Johnny Blue]

In the State of Florida, there is a 1991 Supreme Court Rule that opened the door to prosecuting murder cases where there is no 'body' of the victim.

[december]

Today is the first time I have heard about this case. Personally I believe the wife and best friend murdered him for the money. Wasn't the insurance money over a million (didn't I read that)? Sadly for some people that alone is reason enough to kill someone. As for the mother/grandmother (does she post messages on Court TV or am I thinking of someone else?) I pray that she will find answers and that justice will be serviced. Do they not have grandparent rights in the state of Flordia? Isn't there anything she can do to see her granddaughter? And perhaps she could try to take Mike's wife to court over wrongful death. You know it hasn't been unheard of where the person suspected of murder got off due to lack of evidence and then turned around and had to pay a large sum to the victims family for wrongful death. I know it won't make up for anything, but at least it is something to consider I suppose.

[JJ Jackson]

december

Thank you for reading Mike's story on this forum. Yes, the insurance money was well over a million dollars. No, the mother has to stay out of the forum, because she has to testify to the Grand Jury and then Court, when the "persons of interest" are arrested for insurance fraud and possibly murder.

Yes, the State of Florida does have some grandparents' rights. Mrs Williams hasn't decided what to do about pursuing that particular situation. Mike's mom has been trying to find her son for 6 1/2 years, please keep her in your prayers.

It came out yesterday on the TDO.com forum, that Lamar English the diver who possibly planted evidence in the lake, is now talking to law enforcement. This is a big break in the case.

[C Bunk]

I know the persons under suspicion very well, and I sure am glad to know that finally the truth will soon come out. The diver is now helping law enforcement, as you say JJ Jackson, that is a big break in this case.

I read on the tdo.com forum that someone has written to Dateline NBC and Primetime ABC, that is good news. I will be following both forums very closely.

[Maid Marian]

C Bunk

I am also very glad to hear that there has been a big break in this case, and that finally someone is talking and helping law enforcement.

I hope and pray that soon Mike's mom will get the answers she has been waiting so long for. I know that I speak for most of the people who have read and commented on these forums, that we are praying for her every day.

[Lesley]

to Lamar English - I have a message for you from Mrs. Williams.

"I just want to say THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart, for going to Derrick Wester and offering your services to help solve this case.

THANK YOU.

Mrs. Cheryl Williams
Mike's Mom

[Vixen]

I guess Denise Winchester thought the grass was greener on the Winchester side of the fence.

[Maid Marian]

Vixen

She may have thought it, but it never turns out to be true. Besides, how can the grass be greener when you are living a lie.

[Lesley]

I would like to say a big THANK YOU, from both myself and Mrs. Cheryl Williams to the two greyhound bus drivers that I spoke to yesterday, who have offered to take posters of Mike and missing person "business cards" of Mike to large greyhound bus stations where they can be given out to many people. I very much appreciated the time they gave to me and for the help offered.

Again, a big thank you to all you greyhound bus drivers.

[C Bunk]

I hear the "persons of interest" like to go to Atlanta, too !!!!!!

[Vixen]

to Snake Eyes

I think the mothers of the "persons of interest" don't talk because nobody has asked for their opinion. I know if my children were being accused of these crimes, I would be standing in the road waving a sign saying "My child did not commit this crime."

[Lucy]

If you are a friend of the "persons of interest" and you know anything about Mike Williams' disappearance, you had better come forward now and call Derrick Wester of the Jackson County Sheriff's Office because you could be considered an accomplice.

[Johnny Blue]

Has anyone heard anymore about the Grand Jury meeting? I want everyone to know that I have been downloading the posters of Mike and putting them up everywhere I go.

[ex fed]

I have known about this case since Mike Williams disappeared. I worked with his Uncle Mike. Louisiana has as many alligators as Florida. Alligators don't eat in cold weather and cold water. I agree with Mike Williams' Uncle, I think he was murdered.

[Lesley]

To Tmaffei

Thank you for your reply on the tdo.com forum . We thank you very much for all your help, and I will send another letter to Dateline NBC. Also, thanks for the emails, again I will send some emails off today. You are right about "they can't ignore me forever", we will just keep trying.

To MeMe

I agree with you totally, and I also applaud the Jackson County Sheriff's Office and especially Derrick Wester for all they are doing, if there is anything I can do to assist with this case, I will.

Thank you to everyone who are helping find Mike and for the comments on these forums. We welcome ideas, suggestions and anything that can help find Mike.

[Lesley]

Has anyone else heard of Tim Miller of EQUUSEARCH? Website below:

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

He helps find missing persons.

[Johnny Blue]

Lesley

Tim Miller is the person who went up to Ohio yesterday to help find that missing woman who is 9 months pregnant. Apparently, he has found many missing people. I think he could help you and Mrs. Williams.

[ex fed]

Johnny Blue,

I have heard of Tim Miller. He has been very successful in finding missing people. I think he could help the Williams family find Mike.

[Chan]

grammybear

Thank you for your comments and kind words for Mrs Williams. I will be sure to pass them on to her. I think that Tim Miller could be of help to us, and I will be talking to the family and law enforcement to see if we can request his assistance.

Any help to resolve this case, and bring those guilty to justice.

[Vixen]

grammybear

Thank you so much for your continued interest in Mike Williams' disappearance. A lot of us on this forum did not know Mike Williams or the "persons of interest" personally. We have been following this case since it became public in 2006. We emphasise greatly with the Williams family, the Merrell family and the Winchester family. We know that not all members of the Merrell and Winchester families are guilty, but we do believe that the "persons of interest" are guilty of insurance fraud and possibly murder.

Thank you so much for your information about Tim Miller. Please continue to help us find Mike.

[Maid Marian]

I have heard of Tim Miller and his team, they have almost 100% success rate finding missing people.

Lesley, have you written or contacted them yet. Were they able to help?

[Gator Man]

I have trapped alligators all over the south. Alligators do not eat in cold waters. When Mike Williams supposedly drowned and supposedly was eaten by alligators, why didn't the Jackson County Sheriff's Office, Fish and Game Office or Judge Crusoe contact an alligator expert? How come Mrs Williams, his mother, had to do it?

If they had contacted me, I would have told them that this man could not have, and did not get eaten by alligators.

[Lesley]

Maid Marian

I have collected all the information on Texas Equu Search, and will be writing to Tim Miller in the next couple of days. I will keep the forums up to date on replies and any assistance they can give us.

THANK YOU everyone who are continuing to help us find Mike Williams.

[Snake Eyes]

As I mentioned on the other forum, now that the diver has come forward and is helping law enforcement, doesn't that mean that the Florida Insurance Commission should be talking to the Kansas City Life and Cotton States Insurance Companies about filing insurance fraud charges against Denise Winchester?

[JJ Jackson]

I want to thank the diver for coming forward and helping law enforcement. It's time the other people involved came forward, NOW.

[Lesley]

I wanted the people on the forums to know that I have contacted Tim Miller of Texasequusearch and have requested his help with finding Mike. I will keep you all posted, and thank you to everyone who is helping.

[Maid Marian]

Lesley

Thank you for keeping us posted. I hope you hear from them and they are able to help Mrs Williams. I have heard that they have a very high success rate in finding missing people.

[Poor Paul]

I think Cheryl Williams should write to CBS, ABC and NBC. The continuing saga of her son's disappearance would make a wonderful new soap opera. Think about it, it has murder, infidelity, adultery, lost love, theft, lies and liars, intrigue, drug use and family feuds.

[Lesley]

On Sunday, July 8th at 2 o'clock p.m. I personally put Missing Persons Posters of my son Mike on trees on Miccosukee Road not far from his house. Within 2 hours they were all taken down. Why do the Winchesters get upset with these posters? If they are not guilty of anything, why bother the posters. I am Mike's mother, I have the right to try and find him.

Cheryl Ann Williams

[ex fed]

I wonder whether the Winchesters have started pouring the concret foundation where they are going to build a house. It would be a good place to bury a body.

[JJ Jackson]

ex fed

Since you know Mike Williams' uncle Mike, and we know that Mike's uncle believes him dead, do you have any idea where the 'persons of interest' could have buried his body?

[Max Power]

Originally posted by ex fed
I wonder whether the Winchesters have started pouring the concret foundation where they are going to build a house. It would be a good place to bury a body.

You think they held onto the body for nearly six years? That would make no sense.

[ex fed]

JJ Jackson

We believe that Mike Williams' body could be anywhere. Since there was no criminal investigation when he disappeared, they had plenty of time to dispose of Mike's body, and it may never be found.

I'm sure glad that the State of Florida will still take a murder case to court on circumstantial evidence, even when there is no body.

Max Power

Nothing about this case makes any sense, but you do make a good point.

[Lucy]

Max Power:

It's possible the "persons of interest" have moved Mike's body (what's left of it) many times. Have you ever watched court tv?

[Max Power]

Originally posted by Lucy
Max Power:

It's possible the "persons of interest" have moved Mike's body (what's left of it) many times. Have you ever watched court tv?

I'll agree that it was likely moved once, but I highly doubt its been repetitively moved. And if they are reading the TDO forums, like many believe they are(and posting there), then they know people are watching them now. So I can't imagine them taking a risk to go get it, wherever it is, and then puting it in the foundation of their own home. I mean, if it were ever found somewhere not on property connected to them, then there is certainly plausable deniability that they put it there. If its found on their property, well, that's a little tough to explain away.

And think about it: If they are tearing down posters because they can not stomach the site of Mike's face, they are certainly not going to bury his body under their house.

I just think that the notion that authorities will find the body without a confession or that the persons of interest put it somewhere that would certainly implicate them is faulty.

[Tally4tell]

Good points Max... Keep them coming

[Snake Eyes]

It is very apparent that the Winchesters are guilty of insurance fraud. When millions of dollars worth of life insurance is taken out within 6 months of a person's disappearance, it creates suspicion.

[ex fed]

Max Power

The authorities believe that people other than Brian and Denise are involved in Mike's disappearance. They are the people police think will come forward with information, ie: the diver. Also, you're right! the Winchesters think they have "committed the perfect crime". After all it's been six and a half years and they are not in prison. No, they won't confess.

[Frog]

to Max Power

I appreciate your comments. I personally know the "persons of interest", and they are very cold calculating people. If they killed Mike, they couldn't have consciences. I don't think it would matter to either of them if Mike's body was in their bedroom (Mike's bedroom).

The posters are being taken down by them and their immediate family because they are so eaten up with guilt, and because they are spiteful and vindictive.

[Maid Marian]

To Max Power

Anyone who could deprive her own daughter of the love of a grandmother, uncle, aunt, doesn't have a conscience! I think the reason why the 'persons of interest' take the posters down is to aggravate Mrs. Williams.

[Snake Eyes]

Insurance fraud is a crime. Perjury and lying to a Judge is a crime. Taking illegal drugs is a crime. Planting evidence with intent to defraud and deceive is a crime.

Lying and cheating on your spouse is a sin. Deliberately hindering a mother trying to find her missing son and what happened to him is sinful, perverse and immoral.

The "persons of interest" will be spending a lot of time in prison.

[Lesley]

Please continue to download posters of Mike and put them everywhere you can, with permission if on 'private property.'

Once again, a big thank you to the greyhound bus drivers and to the stores in Tallahassee who have so kindly allowed us to put up these posters.

Snake Eyes,

I cannot get my mind around why people would want to hinder Mrs. Williams in her attempts to find her missing son. Anyone who does that, is not only immoral but also must be guilty. If they were not guilty, they wouldn't do it.

What you do in this life, echos an eternity.

[Poor Paul]

I am furious about somebody pulling down the posters that Mrs Williams is putting up. It makes me so mad, that I am downloading posters and putting them all around my neighborhood, in the stores I shop at, at my workplace and at my church. 'Persons of Interest', see if you can take all of those down.

[Poor Paul]

to Ole Grey Dog

Hey, a mother and her family carrying picket signs asking for help in finding her son's murderers, may just get the attention of NBC, ABC and FOX news.

If I am in Tallahassee, I will carry a picket sign.

[Doctor Noles]

People who are crazed with fear of being found out, could be very dangerous. If you walk a picket line be very careful. They would like nothing more than to run Mrs. Williams down.

Maybe I will walk with you.

[Doctor Noles]

Good Morning MeMe

Thank you for letting us know what happened to those posters on the TDO.com forums. Coming back from early Church yesterday morning, I personally saw missing persons posters of Mike on Thomasville Road/Kerry Forest Parkway at 10:51 a.m. and the corner of Thomasville Road/Bannerman Road at 10:54 a.m. There were posters at Walgreens, the Capital City Bank, the Amoco gas station and the entrance to Duck Cove Road.

By Noon, the posters at the Walgreens and the gas station and at Duck Cove were all pulled down. By 2:00 p.m. all the posters that I had seen earlier had now been torn down. We are dealing with very sick people. Watch your backs.

AND if the Winchesters are taking illegal drugs, they are and will act irrationally. They can be very dangerous, and remember they may have killed Mike six and a half years ago.

[Lesley]

Yesterday, July 22, I again put out missing persons posters of my son Mike. I put them on Bannerman Road, Thomasville Road/Bannerman, and Thomasville Road/Kerry Forest Parkway. Within 3 hours, they were all down. I am asking everyone in Tallahassee to download a poster of my son, and put it where everyone can see it.

Thank you.

Cheryl Ann Williams

[Lesley]

I helped put up posters of Mike yesterday morning with Cheryl Williams, and I have this to say to the person (s) who pulled them down. You are evil and cruel. Mrs. Williams deserves to know what happened to her son, and where he is, and YOU have no right to hinder her or steal from her, because that is what you did. Posters cost money, and you took them, so you are a thief, as well as sick and twisted.

Also, what kind of a person lets a child get out of a vehicle and pull posters down. You endangered that child's life and what are you teaching them - to steal and be cruel - AND IN FRONT OF A CHURCH!!

[Lucy]

Doctor Noles

Shouldn't the eagles be trying to convince the female 'person of interest' to tell the truth, rather than criticizing Ms. Williams for trying to find her son. Seems the eagles are trying to "kill the messenger".

[Lesley]

Doctor Noles

It seems that the eagles have done nothing but hinder Mrs. Williams and make spiteful remarks on the tdo.com forum. If their sister is innocent, then why do they get so defensive, and why doesn't the sister speak up.

[ex fed]

to the fathers of the 'persons of interest'

I am a grandfather, if that were my granddaughter tearing down posters in front of a church, I would be furious with the adult responsible for her safety, for endangering her life.

Surely you love the child enough, not to want her to get hurt?

to Lesley

I agree with your comments, they wouldn't get so defensive if they had nothing to hide.

I want to be in that picket line, just let me know when and where.

[Parker]

Dear Mrs. Williams,

I cannot believe that this is happening to you...it is heartbreaking. I have kept you in my thoughts for months and I hope you get the closure you deserve.

I am still in awe of people that can sleep at night after they have done something so awful. It is clear who is responsible for your son's disappearance -- and I hope they are prosecuted to the full extent that the law allows.

:rose: For you and your family...

[Lesley]

To: Parker

Thank you for your comments and kind words, I will be sure to relay them to Cheryl Williams. On behalf of her family and friends here in Florida, thank you for your support.

I will keep everyone posted as to developments.

[Frog]

I am not surprised that one of the sisters was the person tearing down the posters, and using a child to help her! Why are they so desperate? What are they hiding? We all know they are guilty.

[Lucy]

To: JJ Jackson

What do you think about the fact that it was the sister of one of the "persons of interest" who got caught taking down Mike's posters?

[JJ Jackson]

Lucy

I'm not surprised one little bit. Only people who have something to hide, would be taking the signs down. From everything on the forums, I really did think it was the "persons of interest" all along.

[Chan]

MeMe,

Just read the TDO.com forums, what is going on at the lake. What have law enforcement found? Please keep us posted.

[Lesley]

To: Tmaffei of TDO.com forum

When we walk with our picket signs, we would love for you to walk with us, the more the merrier. If you could call Cheryl Williams, then maybe we could coordinate our schedules. We hope you will be able to walk with us.

Many thanks to the gentleman at Crimestoppers who talked to me yesterday, and was very kind and helpful. He is looking into why Mike Williams wasn't included in the Cold Case Homicide deck of playing cards. As soon as I have talked to him again, I will keep the forum posted.

[Frog]

Does anybody have an update on what's going on at the lake. Have they found anything?

[Lesley]

To: Frog

Haven't got any updates yet, but will let the forum know as soon as we know something.

[Lucy]

To Eagle Miss

Those were beautiful poems you wrote about Jennifer and Kathy. By remembering these Reporters who brought Mike's story out to the public, and all the hard work they have put into this, you have said in poetry what all the rest of us on this forum would like to say. Thank you Jennifer. Thank you Kathy.

[Lesley]

To: the courttv forum viewers.

I would like to remind everyone, that Jennifer and Kathy found out about Mike's disappearance because Mike's mom ran an ad in the Tallahassee Democrat asking the public to help find Mike.

These ladies are certainly angels in disguise. I know I speak for all Mrs. Williams' family and friends when I say THANK YOU.

[Eagle Miss]

Lucy

I'm glad you liked the poems to Jennifer and Kathy. I think these ladies deserve to know that they are appreciated by many. Their efforts and great reporting are helping Mrs Williams and her family and friends get to the truth.

I for one am glad that this case is now getting the media attention it needs, and when Mrs Williams stages her sit-in and picket lines, I hope I can be standing there with her, sign above my head for all to see!

[Lesley]

I received a call from the local Crimestoppers office and the Crimestoppers office for the north of Florida. We are looking into having Mike Williams put onto the next deck of Cold Case playing cards.

Also, please read the tdo.com forum, for the news concerning the crime lab diving team that will be diving at Lake Seminole tomorrow (Wednesday) and this will be televised nationally and internationally by the Discovery Channel.

Thank you again everyone for the help and assistance you have given me on behalf of Mrs. Williams and her family.

[Chan]

MeMe

I can hardly wait to see the Discover Special about Mike. His face will go worldwide. Please keep us updated.

[Frog]

To TelltheTruth

We don't know whether a criminal profiler has been called in on Mike's case.

[Johnny Blue]

Does anybody have any updates on the Discover Channel's filming at the lake? Please keep us updated.

I sure wish a criminal profiler could be brought in, wonder what they would think of this case!

[Max Power]

It doesn't seem to matter if a criminal profiler is brought in or not. Its pretty clear what law enforcement suspects happened but they simply do not have enough evidence to file charges(and apparently the life insurance companies are not going to push for insurance fraud at this point).

I want to see the people involved brought to justice as much as anyone, but I am afraid its just not going to happen unless someone breaks down and admits what they did.

Since there is no statute of limitations on murder, and I believe that insurance fraud related to murder has no statute of limitations either, law enforcement can wait as long as they have to.

With Lamar English having talked to them, and given no charges have been presented to a grand jury, I suspect he told them nothing of much importance or arrests would have already been made and indictments sought.

They must believe they do not have enough evidence to present to a grand jury to secure indictments, or surely they would have by now.

Unfortunately, I am pretty certain that those involved know law enforcement has nothing solid and dont believe they will try for a circumstantial case.

[Lucy]

To: Max Power

It sounds to me that you think Cheryl Williams is wasting her time looking for her son Mike. Is this so? Is this what you think? What if this was your child. What if your child disappeared, would you turn the world upside down to find him?

Just because no arrests have been made yet, doesn't mean that things are not going on behind the scenes.

[Lesley]

The "persons of interest" are still pulling Mike's missing person posters down. We'll just keep putting more up, and we will never give up.

Tally4Tell

Thank you so much for placing the ad on TallahasseeSuperAds.com and giving us the link to print posters of Mike. The more we print, the more chance a poster will be seen by somebody who knows where he is. Again, thank you.

[Tally4tell]

All readers of this thread please print at least one Mike Williams missing persons poster and place it somewhere for people to see. Here is the link:
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200705102S

I also invite you to read any, or all three, of the articles concerning the disappearance of Mike Williams. Here are their links:

Six years ago, this hunter disappeared: http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061215/NEWS01/102190004

Nice guy, hard worker, avid hunter, devoted dad:
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061215/NEWS01/102190003

Experts poke holes in gator theory:
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061215/NEWS01/102190002

[Max Power]

Originally posted by Lucy
To: Max Power

It sounds to me that you think Cheryl Williams is wasting her time looking for her son Mike. Is this so? Is this what you think? What if this was your child. What if your child disappeared, would you turn the world upside down to find him?

Just because no arrests have been made yet, doesn't mean that things are not going on behind the scenes.

I understand why she is doing what she is doing. Whether she is wasting her time or not is up to her. I think as long as this is kept being talked about, she is not wasting her time. However, I don't believe that putting up the posters will one day lead someone to say, "Hey, you know what, I saw that guy last week at so and so..."

[Lesley]

To: Max Power

We will continue to put up posters of Mike, anywhere and everywhere we can. I have spoken to greyhound bus drivers, airport personnel, bus station personnel, store keepers and members of a trucking company who have put up posters of Mike in Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee and Oklahoma, as well as Florida, Georgia, Mississippi and Alabama.

Somebody out there will see his face and will know something. We have had the posters torn down here in Tallahassee, and we know who it was, but it's not going to stop us. Soon we will be doing a picket line and holding big signs above our heads. I want to involve the local television stations in that as well.

So you see, it's not a waste of time. All the time I can put one foot in front of the other, I will do what I can to help Cheryl Williams, and WE WILL find her son.

[Lesley]

To MeMe, of tdo.com forum

Thank you for keeping us posted about the dive at Lake Seminole. I am so thrilled that this is being filmed by the Discovery Channel and will be nationally and internationally aired.

These wonderful people are to be admired and thanked for their dedication, especially in this extreme heat. Thank you also to Jennifer Portman and Phil Sears of the Tallahassee Democrat for their help and perseverance in keeping this story of Mike in the public eye. I am looking forward to reading the Democrat this coming Sunday. I feel very honored to be a part of this, and will continue to help in any way that I can.

[Lesley]

Welcome back to the tdo.com forum Tmaffei, and thank you for the update, and congratulations on the birth of your new baby.

To Milly

I agree with you, they planted the evidence, so that it could mysteriously appear just in time to have Mike declared dead.

To all the forum readers in the Tallahassee area, please be sure to watch Channel 6 tonight at 6:00 p.m. Mike's case is being aired on the local news then.

[Poor Paul]

Is it my imagination, or is this the first time Mike Williams' disappearance has been attributed to "foul play?"

Please keep us updated as to developments at the lake, and what is being shown on television news.

[Frog]

Poor Paul

As far as I am aware, this is the first time that Mike's disappearance has been attributed to foul play. Evidently, nothing was found at the lake, so obviously he was never in the lake to start with.

Look for the front page article on Mike's case in Sunday's Tallahassee Democrat or for you guys out of the state, you can see it on tdo.com.

[ex fed]

Mike Williams' uncle Mike has known from day one that Mike didn't drown in the lake. Yet he spent months with Mike's brother out on the lake searching for any trace of Mike's body. He has always felt Mike was murdered for his insurance. As a matter of fact, so do I.

I have been following the events at the lake very closely, and will be reading the story in tomorrow's Sunday Democrat in Tallahassee.

[Tally4tell]

Here is a recent article and photo gallery link to go along with what Ex Fed is speaking of:

Originally published August 11, 2007
New season, new search, same old Mike Williams mystery
By Jennifer Portman
Democrat senior writer

LAKE SEMINOLE — The weeds were so thick last week, divers could hardly poke a plastic pole through them.

http://tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=CD&Dato=20070809&Kategori=PHOTOS03&Lopenr=708090804&Ref=PH

[Eagle Miss]

Having read the article in the Sunday Tallahassee Democrat, and read the comment that Denise Winchester sent an email stating she wanted to know what happened to her husband, why didn't she speak to law enforcement and reporters sooner. Why wait until now. She could have been helping with this case, instead her new husband's sister tears down posters of Mike.

Denise, will you now talk to Derrick Wester and FDLE?

[Tally4tell]

New 8/12/07 Tallahassee Democrat article "Officials again search for Mike Williams, but come up empty"
By Jennifer Portman:

http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070812/NEWS01/708120371&GID=kXB/oD0lQWM3fBEo2XpBVWZCz6GrvUm+xBhFdMF3vbM%3D

[Max Power]

Denise's letter is pretty much a "joke". She was likely told to write something(and she probably didn't even write it herself) because of all the publicity this has gotten since the spring. It was just a lame attempt to counter all that has come out about her actions.

I love that the article mentioned that someone(BW's sister) was caught tearing down missing person signs. And they thought the person on TDO forum was lying about getting her on film. LOL!!

Bet it wasn't a fun Sunday for some people.

[Lesley]

Tally4Tell

Thank you for providing the court tv forum readers with the link to the story in the Sunday Democrat.

Max Power

What I don't understand is why has Denise only just come forward and talked to reporters. Why didn't she help at the beginning to try and find her husband. Why did she never go to the lake to help. Why did she refuse to assist in any way.

Why has she stopped her daughter from seeing her grandmother, when this can only cause harm. Why is she allowing posters to be torn down, when they are put out there to help find him. Everyone I have talked to, including strangers from all different states including as far north as Arkansas and Nebraska, have been kind, generous with their time, and want to help this family in Florida.

[Lucy]

To: Max Power

I also think that Denise Winchester did not write that email to the newspaper, it was probably drafted by her lawyer, and then she just signed her name.

Why it has taken her over six years to do anything, is testament to the fact she did not care enough to do so.

[awareness]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20236967/

8 unidentifed male skeletons found in a FL forest/swamp.

Again, not sure if this is a match but the timeline seems to fit in seeing LE feels the last date these skeletons match is 2000 and Mike disappeared in 2000. LE says probably white or hispanic males.

JMO/IMO

[Lucy]

Awareness

Thank you for providing the link to the story of eight bodies being discovered in a swamp. I read through the article, and agree with one of the theories, it could have been the work of a serial killer.

In the words of the forensic anthropologist -"This is a cold case to say the least, but it is never a cold case to a family member."

[awareness]

No problem. Just doesn't seem like Mike would have "run off" leaving his child behind. Makes NO sense to me.

Anytime I see an "unidentified male body" story in FLA I think about this case. Especially like the above, where its bones and its obvious it was a long time ago.

While Id hope Mike will be found alive, at least if this is him the family could possibly get some closure.

kind of O/T but it would be crazy if Mike were killed by a mass murderer... like unexectedly run into a freak while he was out fishing.

JMO/IMO

[Poor Paul]

Any updates on this case? When is Mike Williams' mother going to be holding her sit-in and picket line?

[Vixen]

I still don't think that Mike Williams could have walked off and left his daughter with the wife who was having an affair with the best friend. That doesn't make any sense.

[Frog]

We still don't know what happened to the tape of Mike's memorial service. Does anybody have any idea where it is? Why was it taken? Was that fact ever mentioned to the Judge?

[ex fed]

Is it in the court records why Judge Crusoe didn't do any research or ask for proof of what Curtis Hunter, Denise's attorney told him?
Does anybody know?

[awareness]

Originally posted by Vixen
I still don't think that Mike Williams could have walked off and left his daughter with the wife who was having an affair with the best friend. That doesn't make any sense.

I know the wife married him, but they were having an affair while Mike was alive???!!!

WOW.

JMO/IMO

[Johnny Blue]

Awareness

They sure were! Many people knew, including Mike. What was he going through, Hell. How many others were there? Did he catch her with them also? Did he catch her doing drugs?

Ms Winchester is a very selfish and cold human being.

[Lucy]

To: Crime Fighter, Shadow and extallyguy

Would drug dealers have staged the scene to make it look like Mike died in an accident. Would drug dealers have planted evidence in the lake to have Mike declared dead in 6 months?

I don't think so.

[Maid Marian]

I don't think so either. Drug dealers wouldn't take the time or effort to stage a scene. If Denise was involved in drugs, Mike would have known about it, but he wouldn't have set himself up to be murdered.

It could have been one of the reasons he walked off, if that is what he did.

[Vixen]

to all the court tv and tdo.com readers,

I don't think Mike Williams was involved in drugs either. He could have walked off with the intention of coming back for his child. How could he know he would be declared dead six months later?

When we help solve the case of Mike Williams' disappearance, I think we need to find out what happened to Ali Gilmore. What do you say?

[Frog]

A comment was made on the tdo.com forum that Denise Winchester was destitute, and that was told to the Judge. Denise Winchester was not destitute, she received a check from Mike's office from the day he disappeared until October 16, 2001. She also drew his social security for herself and her child.

She was never destitute.

[Lesley]

Tallahassee Picket Line

Our first picket line was a wonderful success. Our posters of Mike reached thousands of people yesterday. In the 5 hours we were standing on Thomasville Road and Miccosukee Road, not one person said anything bad to us. Everyone supported us wholeheartedly. Thank you especially to Bradfordville Road Baptist Church for bringing us ice water and offering prayers for us in church services.

Many people who personally knew Mike, stopped to speak to me. Everyone wanted to help. Thank you again from the bottom of my heart.

Mrs. Cheryl Ann Williams

[Lesley]

Tallahassee, Florida - Sunday Picket Line

Yesterday, we walked a picket line on Thomasville Road and Miccosukee Road, holding up our posters of Mike. Everyone who waved, tooted their horns, stopped to talk, offered prayers, offered cold water to drink and gave us encouragement - a big heartfelt thank you. The people of Tallahassee are truly generous and kind. We will continue in our quest to get to the truth and to find Mike.

We put up many missing person posters of Mike along Bannerman Road and Miccosukee Road. Half of them on Miccosukee Road were taken down within two hours, the ones on Bannerman Road stayed up a little longer. What a shame that they are still being torn down.

Again, I ask to all of you out there reading this, please if you know anything, no matter how small, please call Derrick Wester of the Jackson County Sheriff's Office or FDLE and tell them what you know.

[JJ Jackson]

I am so happy that Mrs Williams got so much positive reinforcement in her search for Mike. I believe most people who hear about Mike's case want to help find him, by positively encouraging Cheryl Williams to continue her search.

I just know we are going to find him.

[Lesley]

JJ Jackson,

Thank you for your comments, and yes we are going to find him.

If anyone out there has any ideas or suggestions on how we might help Mrs. Williams raise money for a billboard and a reward for information leading to the whereabouts of Mike, publicity, advertising and fundraising, please let us know.

Any information anyone out there can give would be appreciated very much.

[Doctor Noles]

To all the Forum Readers:

If you were Mike Williams' Dentist from 1994 - 2000, would you please call Derrick Wester of the Jackson County Sheriff's Department in Florida.

[Lesley]

To all forum readers out there,

We are in the process of getting a "Trust/Contribution Account" set up with a local bank for Mike Williams. We are trying to help Cheryl Williams find her son with as much publicity as possible, including a billboard. I will keep you all posted as to updates.

This afternoon, I will be speaking to the local Crime Stoppers office, and hopefully we can proceed with getting publicity and billboards through them also.

Thank you all again for your encouragement, especially when we were picketing on Sunday in Tallahassee.

[Maid Marian]

Thank you Lesley for keeping us informed and updated. I hope you all can get a billboard up showing Mike's picture.

I don't understand why the posters are still being pulled down, didn't they learn the first time, when one of them was caught? Why do they still persist in doing this? I still say, is it because of guilt?

[JJ Jackson]

Does anyone out there know if Mike Williams had a lot of debt when he disappeared? Did he owe a lot of money?

It's just a theory, but if he owed a lot of money, isn't that a reason to be killed by the person (s) he owed to?

[Poor Paul]

I have read all 93 pages of the tdo.com forum and the pages of this forum, and I think Mike Williams is dead. I don't believe he was the kind of young man who would have just walked off or been involved in insurance fraud.

Whether he owed a large sum of money, is a good question, but is it the reason he might have been murdered.

Were his bank accounts looked at by law enforcement, did he have joint accounts with his wife, or a joint account with a partner? Did he look worried or act worried about something just before he disappeared?

Did he make any long distance phone calls, if so, to where? Did he know people in other parts of the country? Did he have any other close friends other than Brian?

Does anybody know any of these answers?

[ex fed]

Sometimes, it seems the wheels of justice turn very slowly. Please remember that law enforcement are doing a lot more behind the scenes than anyone on this forum knows.

[Lesley]

This is just to let the forum readers know, that Milly and I have been to the bank to open up a "Trust Account" in Mike Williams' name. As soon as we have the approval and the account number, for people to make donations if they would like to, we will keep you all updated.

Many thanks again, for all the help we have been given, by so many.

Ex fed,

Many thanks for your comments, law enforcement are indeed working diligently behind the scenes. I know, I also speak for Mrs. Williams when I say a big thank you to all law enforcement personnel for everything they are doing to find Mike. Theirs and our persistence will prevail.

[Lesley]

UPDATE:

Milly and I have now opened a trust account for Mike Williams. It is called "Help us Find Mike Williams Trust Fund". If anybody would like to make a donation to help find Mike, please send your donation to Bank of America, 315 South Calhoun Street, Tallahassee, Florida 32301 and mark it for "Help us Find Mike Williams Trust Fund" account. Any help or donations would be gratefully appreciated.

We are also in the process of opening a post office box for donations to be mailed there as well. Tomorrow, we meet the gentleman from Crime Stoppers. We would like to get a billboard up as soon as possible, together with other advertising and publicity.

We will keep the forums posted, and thank you all again for your help, kindness and generosity to helping find Mike.

[Lesley]

To the Forum readers

I had a meeting with Crime Stoppers today, and they will do everything they can to help us get billboards up as soon as possible. I have left it that I will call them back beginning of next week, and they will contact the company who does the advertising. We can have several up within 10 days. This is great. It was suggested to me that I contact reporters at television stations, to set up an appointment to speak to them, this I will be doing within the next 2-3 days.

Also, we can have playing cards printed with Mike's picture and information on them, and have them distributed out. Unfortunately we missed out on the first deck, and the second deck are still being processed, so would like to get this moving as soon as possible. Again, I will be calling them back beginning of the week to pursue this.

Any donations to help with this cause would be gratefully accepted. As Milly of tdo.com forum mentioned earlier, does anybody have any ideas for fundraisers?

[JJ Jackson]

Lesley

Good news about the billboards, hope you can get them up soon. You mentioned contacting local tv stations, I don't see why they wouldn't take up this story.

[Johnny Blue]

Does anyone on the forums know if Mike Williams had ever hunted with a bow and arrow? Could this have been the weapon that killed him, it doesn't make any noise.

[awareness]

Originally posted by Doctor Noles
To all the Forum Readers:

If you were Mike Williams' Dentist from 1994 - 2000, would you please call Derrick Wester of the Jackson County Sheriff's Department in Florida.

If you are friendly with Mike's old employers -- they may be able to help you figure out who this provider was. Just speak to their insurance person in HR, they should be able to help out providing they have records from 00.

JMO/IMO

[Lesley]

Hi Awareness

Thanks for your comments. Mike did not have dental insurance, it was held by his wife. I have been in touch with the Florida Dental Association, and they replied to me today, with a telephone number for someone who may be able to assist us in finding the name of his Dentist.

I will keep the forums posted, and many thanks for your comments and assistance.

[Lesley]

As Milly mentioned earlier on the tdo.com forum, if anybody would like to make a donation to help find Mike, please send your donation to Bank of America, 315 South Calhoun Street, Tallahassee, Florida 32301 and mark it for "Help us Find Mike Williams Trust Fund" account. Any help or donations would be gratefully appreciated.

THANK YOU

[awareness]

Originally posted by Lesley
Hi Awareness

Thanks for your comments. Mike did not have dental insurance, it was held by his wife. I have been in touch with the Florida Dental Association, and they replied to me today, with a telephone number for someone who may be able to assist us in finding the name of his Dentist.

I will keep the forums posted, and many thanks for your comments and assistance.

Maybe phone the local dentists around where he used to live and work then? Although so much time has passed between now and then... dentists can move, retire, etc.

Anyway best of luck, If I think of anything of course I'll suggest it.

:rose:

[Lesley]

Awareness

As always, thank you for your useful and helpful comments. I will indeed do as you suggested, and will pass your comments on to Mike's Mom, again thank you.

[Frog]

Johnny Blue

Yes, Mike hunted with a bow and arrow. He hunted deer and hogs. I used to practice with him, he was very good.

[Maid Marian]

Frog

Where did Mike hunt hogs?

If you all graduated from NFCS, seems to me that it's a good idea you all picket there.

[Frog]

Maid Marian

He hunted on private property owned by one of his friends over in Greenville.

Yes, we think it's a good idea to picket at NFCS. Eagle Miss, where are you?

[Eagle Miss]

Frog,

I'm back from being at a conference. Glad to hear that Mrs. Williams, Lesley and others were picketing at NFCS on Sunday. Next stop - FSU. Any news on the billboard? Somebody mentioned a topper for a vehicle, I would put one on mine, need to find out where we can get one.

Yes, I wonder if the persons of interest are going to show their faces at next year's reunion!! Let me know where Mike's mom is picketing next if you can, I have my sign ready.

[Vixen]

Lesley,

If Mike Williams had dental insurance, why can't law enforcement subpoena either the Florida Dental Association or the State run Agency who handles dental insurance for state employees and their families to provide the name of the Dentist?

Seems to me that Mrs Winchester is once again drawing suspicion upon herself for not providing information to law enforcement that would assist them with their investigation. I know there is the HIPPA in Florida, but law enforcement are asking for the name of a Dentist, not to publicize Mike Williams' private dental information.