Mike Williams , 31,Lake Seminole, Fl-12/16/2000

[Maid Marian]

Vixen

I was thinking the same thing as you, why can't law enforcement obtain the name of Mike's Dentist through the courts, if Mrs Winchester won't cooperate.

[Lesley]

Thank you to everyone who have contributed to Mike's trust fund, your generosity is very much appreciated. Contributions again were received yesterday at the bank, this is so kind. Won't be long now before we can have billboards put up.

THANKS AGAIN.

[Chan]

Finally back in Florida, glad to hear we are nearer to getting a billboard up, in time for Mike's birthday. Lesley and Milly, keep us posted.

When and where is the next picket, I want to be there. I read FightForMike have been putting up posters by the hundreds, and they are still being torn down - what a shame. I guess they won't be able to tear down the ones I put up, not unless they are going to Washington anytime soon!

Keep up the good work, count me in to be at the candlelight event in honor of Mike in December. Keep us all posted.

[Poor Paul]

I am still wondering why Mike Williams' truck was sprayed down with water after he disappeared. If he was killed, his DNA would still be in the truck, no matter how much water is used.

The truck is then sold, and has never been checked for forensics? Do law enforcement intend to seize the vehicle? I do not believe Mike ever got to the lake, and somebody else was driving his truck to leave there, and set up the "staged drowning."

Why would a supposedly happily married man, go hunting the same morning he was due to go away for his anniversary? Makes no sense, I know I wouldn't.

[Lucy]

To: Poor Paul

Good point, there are probably many people out there, who would not have gone out hunting the same morning that they were going away for their anniversary, but by all accounts Mike Williams was a skilled and experienced hunter. This, of course, makes it even more impossible to believe that he drowned.

As far as the truck is concerned, I believe there was evidence of a crime and/or forensics in it, which is why it was not parked at either Mike's or his mother's house. Spraying the truck down with water would achieve nothing except a wet interior, which would lead to mold, and a damp lingering smell.

Again, you say nothing makes sense, nothing in this case does.

[Max Power]

Regarding his truck...

Anything other than pooled or a significant amount of blood would easily be explained away and would not be "gotcha!" evidence. I have no idea why they sprayed it down, as that really make no sense whatsoever. Transfer evidence from any of the persons of interest would be expected to be found in the truck as they would have been in it at some point(or could easily say they had been if not). Again, I'm not getting what anyone hoped to "conceal" or "wash away" by spraying it down. I have no idea what or why, but that truck got wet for some other reason.

[Lesley]

I would personally like to thank Erin, Steve, Stephen, Emily and Eve for their very generous donation to Mike's Contribution Account. The money was deposited today.

We are one step nearer to the billboard going up, and thanks to all the generous donations we are receiving, will be up in time for Mike's birthday on October 16th.

THANK YOU everyone who are helping me find my son.

Cheryl Ann Williams

[JJ Jackson]

I'm sure glad I don't live in Tallahassee. I would have been too tempted to tell the female 'person of interest' what I thought of her deplorable behavior. What did her daughter think? At 81/2 years old, she'll always remember that Friday night at the game.

[Maid Marian]

JJ Jackson

I agree with you, Mrs Williams was treated very badly, and her one and only chance to visit with her granddaughter was completely ruined by certain individuals.

As I said earlier on the other forum, the comments made about her were nothing short of vicious. I hope Mrs Williams takes Lawyer John's advice, and petition the court for visitation rights.

[dirtyfeet]

I've only read a few posts on the first pageand a link to the story. Before I read more, I wanted to comment. If it were my loved one, I would request this be moved to missing persons where it may receive more attention.(I really don't think this case really is 'old' )

I do not want this taken the wrong way. I have children, I'm not pulling this out of thin air. If something happened to dh and mil was crazed that 'something happened' to him when I truly believed he just had a bad accident, then I don't know that I'd want her around my child. I *thought* florida has grandparent laws (especially with the grandmother living nearby and being a regular part of the child's life before the disappearance.

Ok, this is for Mom to think on. If he were alive, he would have let you know he was okay?

[dirtyfeet]

Originally posted by abby15
His widow is the one who should be investigated. Had him declared dead, collected life insurance, then married his best friend? [/*]

Okay, I forgot to address that in the earlier post. I wouldn't have waited 5 years to remarry. Tragedy sometimes brings people closer together. If they were already interested in each other at the time of disappearance, the time till marriage would have been way shorter. :shrug: JMO

[lucyinskye]

I was very upset to hear about this case and wanted to give my input. I agree this case is suspicious, however, as someone who went to school with Denise Merrell, I wanted to give my input on what I knew of her.

We went to elementary and middle school together. She was the singularly most popular girl in school. I was probably the most singularly NOT popular. However, she was always very nice to me and looked out for me. She showed me a measure of compassion that does not fit the accusations being leveled against her.

I can say she did tend to be disregarding of most folks who were less popular than she but that was NOT the case with me. Middle school was NOT a good time for me and she approached me with a great deal of compassion. I have never forgotten her for that even after all these years.

I know I am emotionalizing things. I have not seen Denise since middle school, but I wanted to at least speak to her character as I knew it at that time. She was very good to me during a time that was very painful. It's just hard to see people who never even met her automatically be so against her just because the "shoe", as it were, seems to fit.

I do not see her involved in anything seedy, nor do I even remotely think her capable of being in any way involved in a murder. Denise, if you are looking at this I am sure you know who I am and my thoughts are with you.

I just wanted to give my input as someone who actually knew some of the parties involved. My prayers are with ALL parties who have been touched by this troubling case! Very sad!!

[Maid Marian]

Lucyinskye

After reading your comments on Denise Merrell, I have a question, if she was compassionate at school, why is she not now? People change over the years, but one's character stays fundamentally the same. If you are a compassionate and kind person, then you would still be that person today.

Why isn't Denise letting Mike's mother see her granddaughter, is it out of spite? That is not compassionate.

[Eagle Miss]

to Lucyinskye

When Denise came to our school at the beginning of the 9th grade, she presented a picture of perfection. She was beautiful, vivacious, smart and had lots of friends. She and Mike were the perfect couple from 9th grade on. None of us can say what happened to ruin that perfect girl. It was like she led two lives.

Many of us at school saw the different sides of Denise, Mike always only saw the good side, he loved her. The people and family members on her side knew that the marriage was not what the rest of the world thought it was. There were major problems. Denise's world changed drastically. None of us who knew Mike and Denise could ever believe she would harm him. From all we understand, Mike's family loved Denise like a daughter. It's now been proven that Mike is not in the lake and never was. Denise's actions are very strange.

Why would you threaten Mrs. Williams with the loss of her granddaughter just because she wanted a criminal investigation into the disappearance of her son. She wasn't accusing Denise of doing anything. Ask Denise that question.

After her behavior at last Friday's football game, she showed everyone how much she hated Mrs. Williams, why? All because a mother needs to know what happened to her son. None of this makes any sense to any of us who knew and remember the perfect Denise.

[dirtyfeet]

Originally posted by Maid Marian
Lucyinskye

After reading your comments on Denise Merrell, I have a question, if she was compassionate at school, why is she not now? People change over the years, but one's character stays fundamentally the same. If you are a compassionate and kind person, then you would still be that person today.

Why isn't Denise letting Mike's mother see her granddaughter, is it out of spite? That is not compassionate. [/*]

I don't know what to believe of this story, but Florida does have visitation laws for Grandparents - if the judge believes the grandparent enriches the child's life and is not a danger.

If Denise KNOWS her thoughts/feelings on this, she may be afraid that she will put ideas/fears into her child's head --it's a very real fear, it does happen and it's wrong. It's Denise's job to do what's in the best interest of her child and I would do the same if my inlaws accused me of killing dh after being widowed. Who wouldn't??

[lucyinskye]

Having not seen Denise for over 15 years, I obviously cannot speak to her behavior now. I was merely expressing my shock at the situation, as the suspicions against her do not fit the Denise I once knew. I could easily be being naive. I did not know her closely and we all had a tendency to idolize Denise. She had that way about her.

BTW, what happened at the football game? I have seen two comments alluding to this but cannot find any information about what actually happened. Just curious.

[lucyinskye]

Also, thanks for your input Eagle Miss.

[Doctor Noles]

dirtyfeet

In my experience, I have found that children need the love and support of their extended family members, as well as their parents and siblings.

Having read the posts, comments and suggestions on these forums, I do not see where Mrs. Williams has accused her daughter in law of any crime. I have gone back through the forums, and nowhere has it ever been stated that she has accused her son's wife of being involved in his disappearance or that she has committed any criminal act. In fact, the only thing she has stated is that she has lost all contact with her granddaughter. Therefore I am led to the conclusion that Mrs. Winchester's behavior is not in the best interest of her child.

I have done extensive research on the laws of Florida, including grandparents' rights, and must agree with the comments from Lawyer John. Mrs. Williams can, and in my opinion should petition the courts for some visitation with her son's daughter. That is not to say she would be granted visitation, but she should at least allow the court to hear her, and to reach it's own decision.

Lucyinskye

If Mrs. Winchester is as compassionate as was stated earlier, and I am not disputing that fact, then she now has the opportunity to prove it and start by allowing her daughter to visit with her grandmother, albeit for an hour or two. That would at least be a start.

I do not know what happened at the game last Friday, as I was not there, but reading the comments it sounds as though Mrs. Williams and her other son were there to see and speak to the granddaughter. It was in a public place, and by all accounts appropriate under the circumstances. However, it was stated they couldn't even speak to her, this is not the behavior of someone who is compassionate. If that was the only time Mrs. Williams could have spoken to her granddaughter, what was the harm in allowing her to do so, in a public place?

[JJ Jackson]

Looks like Cheryl Williams has ruffled besteagle's feathers again!

[Maid Marian]

JJ Jackson

Besteagle's feathers are going to be more than ruffled. I have just seen the billboard of Mike, it is awesome. Wish you could see it.

[Sleepyrabbit]

The "persons of interest" Best-eagle, Win Friend all their families and friends who support them.

What they said couldn't be done, the first of the billboards are up and look great here in Tallahassee. Wonder how they all think they can tear them down now. Sure hope the "female of interest" likes seeing Mike on a billboard every time she turns around. He's watching you and says time to tell the truth cause it's not going to end. More to go up soon.

Now how do you feel?? It's not over, I promise.

"Female person of Interest" Look up as you go by and make sure you wave to Mike. Believe me, he's watching..................

[Tally4tell]

According to the Mike Williams website Channel 6 NEWS, and Channel 49, will have the billboard and Ms Williams on the news tonight. The website link is: WWW.JERRYMICHAELWILLIAMS.COM

[JJ Jackson]

Maid Marian

I haven't seen the billboard, but I did watch the tv interview on the internet. Sure glad this case is getting the coverage it needs to help solve this mystery. I hear there are going to be more billboards.

[Tally4tell]

If you missed the TV NEWS about the billboard then check out the video clip: http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/10492912.html

[Maid Marian]

JJ Jackson

Yes, I hear there are going to be more billboards up soon, one was put up in time for Mike's birthday on the 16th.

[Lucy]

I was browsing the Tallahassee telephone book and I happened to notice that the "persons of interest's" telephone number is still listed in Mike's name. Why is that?

[dirtyfeet]

Originally posted by Lucy
I was browsing the Tallahassee telephone book and I happened to notice that the "persons of interest's" telephone number is still listed in Mike's name. Why is that? [/*]

Unless someone changes the billing name, that's how it's listed.

[Lucy]

To:dirtyfeet

You are correct, but why hasn't the billing name been changed to Winchester? Why still listed as Mike Williams. Doesn't that seem a little odd?

[dirtyfeet]

:shrug: One of my checking accounts I still use checks with an address from 3 years ago */c I don't want to bother ordering new ones.

[Maid Marian]

How many of us have mothers who would do all the things Mrs Williams does, to try and find her son. The 'persons of interest' call her crazy, I would hope my mother would be just as crazy, if I were missing.

[dirtyfeet]

Originally posted by Maid Marian
How many of us have mothers who would do all the things Mrs Williams does, to try and find her son. The 'persons of interest' call her crazy, I would hope my mother would be just as crazy, if I were missing. [/*]

I do understand that position, but I also have a crazy and paranoid mil who would harass me for sheer pleasure during what would be the worst time of my life. It's all about perspective. I wonder how the mil and dil got along before all of this??

[Chan]

to dirtyfeet

Mrs Williams and her daughter in law got along very well, before Mike disappeared. When Mrs Williams knew her son was not in the lake, she opened up an investigation to try and find him. That's when she was threatened and had her granddaughter taken away from her.

Suspicious, don't you think?

[Chan]

This is the poem I posted on the tdo.com forum.

On December 16th, 2000, the year
into thin air, Mike did disappear
They hunted the lake and searched everywhere
"He's been eaten by gators," Fish and Game did declare.

"Mike's not in the lake" his mama said
nobody paid any attention, she's crazy in the head
She begged the authorities for three and a half years
to listen to her, and hear her fears.

Finally they came, and her case she did plead
"You're not crazy at all" the lawmen agreed

There are too many things that don't seem to add up.

1. The dear wife never came to the lake
if she had loved him, she would have been there for goodness sake.

2. The boat was found in the wrong place
his body disappeared without even a trace.

3. In the dead of winter, gators hibernate
they wake up in Spring, when it's time to mate.

4. Hibernation means gators are not eating
in fact, when it's winter, they are usually sleeping.

So when it's time for bed, at the end of the day
I'll continue to hope, and continue to pray.

[dirtyfeet]

Does any one know what the weather was like that December? Average for FL? unseasonably cold or warm?

[Lucy]

dirtyfeet

As I recall, in December of 2000, the water temperatures were in the 40's, the air temperature was in the 20's, and it was the coldest winter it had been for 50 years. I might be a little off, but I think my memory serves me well.

There is no physical way an alligator could have eaten a man (whole) in those temperatures. In fact, alligators would have been in hibernation at that time.

So in answer to your question, it was unseasonably cold.

[Archimedes]

Buzzard - definition of.

According to Webster's dictionary, the definition of the word buzzard fits the "persons of interest" perfectly. The word buzzard is used to describe an avaricious or unpleasant person. Avaricious means greedy for wealth or having an extreme desire for wealth.

[Lucy]

dirtyfeet

Are there alligators in California?

[Archimedes]

There are usually two reasons for tearing down missing person signs, one out of guilt, and one out of fear. I think in this case, it is both.

Guilt because of the crime, and fear of being found guilty of the crime.

[Lucy]

To: Archimedes

They are certainly fearful of the truth coming out, feeling guilty is not, in my opinion, something they are feeling.

[Archimedes]

Lucy

I have to agree with you. I do not think they feel guilt, and by pulling down missing person posters and behaving the way they do, it sounds more like anger and fear.

[JJ Jackson]

To Lucy and Archimedes

When the male 'person of interest' chased the people putting up posters at high speeds in the middle of the night, doesn't this prove that he was really angry.

I think it does.

[Lucy]

To: JJ Jackson

Question is, why was he so angry. Nobody gets that angry and behaves in such a manner, for no reason. What was the reason?

[JJ Jackson]

These are some of the things I have been thinking about, that Mike could have been involved in or could have known that the "persons of interest" were involved in.

1. Pornography
2. Gambling
3. Insurance Fraud
4. Smuggling
5. Drug Trafficking

Knowledge or participation in any of these activities could have got Mike killed.

[Chan]

JJ Jackson

Mike could never have been involved in any of the things you list. The "persons of interest" could have, I am sure if they were involved in any of those crimes, they will be convicted and tried appropriately.

[Vixen]

To Chan

Never say never. We, on the forum, don't know whether Mike was involved himself. Maybe he was trying to get out of doing something bad, and got killed for it.

[ex fed]

to Convinced

Since you seem to have an enquiring mind, I want to ask you a question that Mike's uncle Mike and hundreds of federal law enforcement officers have never been able to satisfactorily answer.

What caused Mike's waders with boots full of water to float just below the water's surface after supposedly being in the lake for 6 months? There were also wet shotgun shells in the fanny pack.

I would appreciate you thinking about this.

Does anybody else have any ideas?

[Swampwoman]

Originally posted by milly
Lucy,

She did buy a nice piece of property right next door to her new father in law and they haved started clearing this land and they have applied for building permits so she has kept "some" of the money. I believe she got a lot of insurance money and she wasn't bad off before Mike went missing. [/*]


Has anyone searched the property? He could have been buried there over 6 years ago. And possibly, the new home will be built over the gravesite.

[Vixen]

To Swampwoman

Please read the tdo.com forum and register to comment on those. We welcome comments and suggestions.

[Eagle Miss]

Although Mike might have been depressed, he did have a lot to live for. He had a beautiful daughter, all of his mother's family, all of his daddy's family who loved him very much. He would never have committed suicide.

[Lucy]

The house where Mike lived was never searched, neither was the land where the new house is to be built. As has been mentioned before, Mike's disappearance was treated as an accidental drowning or he was eaten by alligators. No fingerprints were taken, no forensics obtained, and no criminal investigation.

Now that we know Mike Williams didn't drown, and was never in Lake Seminole, investigations are now being conducted very thoroughly. If Mike Williams was "murdered," his killers will be convicted and put in prison for a long time. If Insurance Fraud was committed, again they are looking at very long prison sentences.

[Tally4tell]

Of the many missing friends stories now on FightForMike's MySpace there are two combined titled "Missing~Diana Harris,Tom Stump, FL. Cases Linked??" which have certainly fascinated me. These two cases share many similarities to Mike's case and lend a lot of food for thought about Mike's story.

The "Missing~Diana Harris,Tom Stump, FL. Cases Linked??" URL is: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=70566698

Please give these a read as it never hurts to be aware of other situations too and btw the Mike William's MySpace account named "FightForMike" now has over 559 "friends".

[Tally4tell]

If you have any information about Mike Williams's disappearance please contact:

Tully Sparkman
State Attorney's Office
850-606-6000

Derrick Wester
Jackson County Sheriff's Office
850-482-9624

Travis Lawson
Florida Department of Law Enforcement
850-767-3490

[Lucy]

To: Tally4Tell

Thank you for posting the law enforcement contact names and telephone numbers.

Thank you to the Court TV administrators for giving our forum 5 gold stars.

[Vixen]

I guess our forum has many readers, now that we have got 5 gold stars. That's good to know, the more people read it, the more comments and feedback we get.

[Archimedes]

As Tally4Tell and I mentioned on the other forum, if anyone knows anything, however insignificant they might think it is, call your local law enforcement and help solve this case.

There is nothing to fear but fear itself. Your anonymity and safety will take precedence.

[Tally4tell]

Texas Equusearch Mounted Search and Recovery Team website now includes Michael Williams in their list of missing persons. He is listed as Jerry Williams.

Their URL/link is: http://www.texasequusearch.org/

Thank you Texas Equusearch.org for listing Jerry Michael Williams on your site.

[Vixen]

It sounds to me like the Pastor of Four Oaks Community Church was worried that he was going to lose a lot of money because the "persons of interest" didn't like Mike's mom picketing.

So, is that what it's about, money! The more money you have, enables you to dictate to other people, and tell them what to do and where they can stand.

If that is the case, I'm thankful for not being a member of that Church, and I would rather be poor and have peace of mind, than wealthy and know I had done something to hurt somebody.

[Archimedes]

I hear from one of the parishioners of Four Oaks Community Church that they are in need of $100,000 by the end of the year, to pay their bills.

Vixen, I agree with you, the Pastor's tirade had more to do with money than being in Church on Sunday.

[Vixen]

Please be sure to read the tdo.com forums in addition to court tv concerning Mike Williams.

[Eagle Miss]

I think the female 'person of interest' preferred the title 'widow' to 'divorcee.'

[Lesley]

Thank you to all of you out there helping to find Mike. For your comments, suggestions, ideas, encouragement and for your generous donations to Mike's Trust Fund. Because of the generosity of so many people, we will have a billboard up into 2008.

Thank you FightForMike for keeping the posters going up, and to both you and Tally4Tell for keeping us posted on the websites and links.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

[Chan]

Wish you may, wish you might
You can't change what happened on that December night
Denise, what happened? You and Mike have a fight?
Did you scream, Mike, Leave! Get out of my sight.

When he ran down the stairs towards the door
did you realize then, he wouldn't be around anymore?
If Mike left for good, it would blow your cover
everyone would know that you were not a good mother.

Did you grab the gun that was kept in the room
and follow him and shoot him with a loud "boom."
In a matter of seconds, you had taken Mike's life
and you thought "now, nobody will know I'm not a good wife."

You called on your friends to help think of a plan
We've got to get rid of Mike's body as fast as we can.
First, bury Mike's body far away in a very deep hole
Then drive his truck, trailer and boat to Lake Seminole.

You set the scene to make it look like he drowned
even though no trace of his body could ever be found.
You convinced the Judge that alligators swam towards their goal
In the middle of a cold December and ate his body whole.

Everyone bought your story about Mike, except one
Mike's mom would never stop looking for her son.
As long as she breathes, she'll never give up her search
be it putting up posters, or holding up signs outside of a Church.

So, "persons of interest" heed what I say
Confess! Mike's mom is not going away.

[Max Power]

So BATF has now taken over the investigation and is re-interviewing dozens of people? Wow. Very wierd. Can't figure out what they could possibly be interested in. FBI would have made more sense.

[Tally4tell]

Max Power,

I haven't seen anything on the forums about BATF. What gives?

Also you once made light of ex fed for suggesting concern over a concrete foundation(see excerpt below) but what about the possibility of pouring a dog pen pad on top of a grave? On tdo forum it was mentioned, when talking about posters being removed from trees, etc., that there is a dog pen needing to be washed out at the "persons of interest" house. My guess is the property backs up to the county road right of way. Couldn't leaves and other debri have been used to conceal it for a few years? They wouldn't have had to move the body to have done this.

EXCERPT>>>
quote:
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Originally posted by ex fed
<*>I wonder whether the Winchesters have started pouring the concret foundation where they are going to build a house. It would be a good place to bury a body.
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You think they held onto the body for nearly six years? That would make no sense.
<<<END EXCERPT

[Max Power]

Someone on TDO mentioned that "feds" showed up at the Winshesters on Halloween. The same feds have since shown up for interviews with other people related to the case. It would be my guess that some previously unknown information or evidence was brought to the attention of JCSO or FDLE(which forwareded it), but I have no clue what on earth would interest BATF.

Regarding a concrete pad - the only reason I make light of such concern is that I don't believe that a body is buried on property owned by any person of interest.

[Lesley]

We still need donations for Mike's "Contribution Account" to continue to have billboards put up. We would like to keep at least one billboard up well into the new year. If anyone would like to make a donation, however small, please do so, we would be so very grateful.

Mike's Contribution Account is with Bank of America, 315 South Calhoun Street, Tallahassee, Florida 32301, THANK YOU on behalf of Mrs. Williams and her family, Milly and myself.

[Lucy]

To: Max Power

I have been following this forum, and tdo.com forum and I have a question for you.

It has never been stated on this forum or any other forum, anywhere, that the investigating Federal Agency was BATF. Where did you get your information?

If you have information to help this case, please share it with us.

[Max Power]

Like I said, it is my understanding that they have interviewed most everyone that was ever interviewed by JCSO(or are in the process). Any number of people could have relayed that info(assuming its true).

Whoever said they were "feds" knew who they were, obviously, but just didn't say what agency(though it wsa certainly hinted at on TDO by the poster who posed the question "was a gun owned by a person of interest or Mike found to have been used in a crime?").

[Lucy]

To: Max Power

Whilst I appreciate your comments and input, and encourage anyone and everyone to do so, I was, to say the least, a little puzzled as to how you knew they were BATF agents.

Again, it had not been mentioned previously on this or the other forums, but like you say any number of people could have "relayed this information."

The investigative agencies involved in this case, are working diligently behind the scenes, and obviously substantial information is not, and could not be, disclosed. However, comments and suggestions are always welcome and are encouraged by anyone who can assist with this case.

[Tally4tell]

FYI: It has now been 2537 days, 20 hours, and 54 minutes since Mike disappeared as according to timer on www.jerrymichaelwilliams.com website.

[Tally4tell]

Lucy,

Thou appearsest to be confirming BATF are the "Feds" involved. Do you know something?

Max Power,

Now that you mention it I too remember something on TDO forum being said about a gun.

[Lucy]

To: Tally4Tell

I cannot confirm or deny that I know something. It would be unethical of me to comment on this.

As I stated before, law enforcement is working diligently behind the scenes to solve this case. All federal law enforcement officers involved are processing information and are receiving new leads every week.

However, I would confirm that we appreciate all the comments and suggestion put forward on each of the forums.

[JJ Jackson]

Lucy,

It would be unethical of you to comment on the ongoing investigations, but I am sure when the time comes, you will make the necessary comments then.

I haven't posted for some time now, but I have been keeping up with the forums, and it does sound as though Law Enforcement are getting nearer to solving this case.

[Doctor Noles]

It's good to know that people are coming forward, and Investigators are being cooperated with, and I too would like to thank Outoftheblue for posting on the tdo.com forum and confirming that he has told ATF everything he knows.

With this information being brought to the attention of law enforcement, it can only be a matter of time now when this case will indeed be solved. At least we can say it is getting the attention it deserves, and should have had right from the start.

[Vixen]

JJ Jackson

I have been following this case on the forums every day, and although I too don't comment and post everytime I read them, I am following this case closely.

[Archimedes]

To Outoftheblue and ducklover

Thank you for confirming that ATF is investigating the disappearance of Mike Williams. Thank you for sharing your opinions of this investigation with tdo.com forum.

[Chan]

This case is now being investigated by law enforcement in the manner it should have been from the beginning. My thanks also to Outoftheblue and ducklover for helping law enforcement with their enquiries.

[Max Power]

I'm still baffled as to what has drawn the interest of BATF. FBI would have made sense. But alcohol, firearms, tobacco, explosives and (some) terrorism is all BATF investigates.

I know several months back on the TDO forums some posters were speculating about something like that and wondered if Mike saw or knew something that got him in trouble, but I took that with a grain of salt when I read that. Now with BATF being interested, it makes me wonder if that was wild speculation or what. Did he possibly know someone who was involved in something illegal and became a "liability"? I've got a wild theory that I would rather not post, but I'm probably not the only one thinking it now.

[ex fed]

Max Power,

It's very possible that Mike Williams found out something or saw something that could have got him killed. I don't think he would have just walked off and left his daughter there, in possible danger.

As far as ATF is concerned, they investigate missing firearms and especially if it is related to a missing person. Could he have known someone involved in something illegal, very possibly. At this point, everything is speculation, except that a man is missing, has been missing for almost seven years, and his wife and best friend didn't do anything to help find him.

I was reading an article on court tv regarding a man who supposedly drowned in Lake Eerie, but it has now been established that he was pushed out of the boat. His body resurfaced within two days. If Mike Williams had drowned, his body would also have resurfaced, there is no question of that.

Another article I was reading was of a man who went missing for five years, but then turned up alive. He has been arrested for fraud.

Anything is possible, and I am sure ATF are doing their job, along with FDLE, the Sheriff's office and the State Attorney.

[Tally4tell]

Excerpt from TDO forum as posted by Milly>>>

Just a quick reminder. The anniversary of Mike's disappearance is coming up soon. Please consider sending in a donation during this time so that we can keep the billboard up. You can send a donation to the postal box at

Help Us Find Mike Williams Fund
PMB #168
3491-11 Thomasville Road
Tallahassee, FL 32309-3459

or you can send them directly to the Bank of America, 315 South Calhoun Street, Tallahassee, Florida 32301 and mark it for "Help us Find Mike Williams Contribution account".

Please also remember the Williams family in your prayers and thoughts it is a really tough time for them right now.

[Lesley]

To the man who was yelling at Cheryl Williams

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and comments and suggestions are welcomed on these forums. Cheryl Williams and I are trying to find Michael, we are not trying to cause any trouble or nuisance.

I found your behavior to be very rude and disrespectful to a mother trying to find her son. If you are a father and a Christian, I cannot understand your lack of empathy and understanding for a mother and fellow human being.

May I reiterate what I posted earlier on these forums:
"Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the Law of Christ."

To Tally4Tell

Thank you for your post, it is a very difficult time for Cheryl and her family right now, please everyone out there, continue to pray for Michael's safe return and please continue to help. Thank you.

[Vixen]

ex fed

You mentioned missing firearms. Does that mean that ATF are investigating a missing firearm relating to the disappearance of Mike Williams?

[ex fed]

Vixen

I have not been interviewed by ATF and so I do not know all the facts, but I do know that if there is a missing gun, and the missing gun belonged to a missing person, then not only would ATF be involved but most likely the FBI as well.

I am going on my past experience in law enforcement, and something tells me there is a lot more to this case than was once thought. I personally think there are at least three people involved, and others that know the people involved. There is a much bigger picture.

[Vixen]

ex fed

If there is a much bigger picture, then I hope that this puzzle of a case will be pieced together soon.

[Eagle Miss]

The plain and simple truth why Mike's wife didn't look for him, is because she didn't love him. Their marriage had been over for a long time.

[Johnny Blue]

Hey doggie

If you push MeMe too far, she is liable to put a picture of Jennifer Winchester Spencer taking down Mike's picture on a poster, and start posting them all over town. She can ask FightForMike to help!

[Tally4tell]

TDO pics of Ms Williams, Mike Williams's mom, picketting: http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=CD&Dato=20071209&Kategori=PHOTOS03&Lopenr=712090805&Ref=PH

[Maid Marian]

Are these pictures of Ms Williams picketing going to be in the local newspaper? and if so, when?

[Tally4tell]

While we wait to see what happens as a result of all those subpeonas please remember to continue getting the word out by putting up Mike's missing person posters, etc.

Maybe, just maybe, someone will come forward with the right information which will result in locating Mike Williams.

CourtTV forum participates please help us find Mike by printing and posting his missing person posters in your area.

Thank you all so much,

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200705102S

[Archimedes]

I hope all of you on court tv are closely monitoring the story about Mike Williams on the tdo.com forum, Cold Case the Mike Williams Mystery.

Since the federal government is now helping local law enforcement, the expectation is that something big is going to happen very soon. Also an update about Mike Williams' case will appear in the Saturday issue of the Tallahassee Democrat. Please read the story.

[Chan]

Archimedes, thanks for the update. I'll be sure to get a local newspaper tomorrow.

[Vixen]

Is the newspaper doing a follow up on this case, to coincide with the anniversary of Mike Williams' disappearance seven years ago?

[Archimedes]

To Vixen

I am sure the follow up in the Tallahassee Democrat is to coincide with the anniversary of Mike Williams' disappearance.

[Maid Marian]

Ms Williams, my thoughts are with you on this day, seven years after your son disappeared. I read the article yesterday in the newspaper, Ms Portman did a very good job. Don't give up, there are many people out here praying for you.

[Tally4tell]

Link to Saturday's article in the Tallahassee Democrat Newspaper titled: "Man still missing after 2,556 days", Originally published December 15, 2007

http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200771215002

[ex fed]

I read the article on the tdo.com yesterday, and read the post from a sfr3. I do not understand where this person got his information, or why he felt he needed to post it now, and not many months ago when the forums started. He is incorrect in every way and I can only assume that "he was asked to make this post". The water temperature on the morning of December 16, 2000 was very cold, and the air temperature dipped during the course of that day. Why is he saying that alligators could have eaten a fully grown man, when in fact they would have already been hibernating at that time?

[Max Power]

So, the POI's have now turned over a gun that they have always claimed they didn't have? I'm not even sure what to think about that.

ex fed

The comments from sfr3 are in deed bizarre. Why anyone would come along now saying they believe a theory that has been thoroughly disproven makes no sense. And someone should explain to him/her that in the realm of law enforcement and criminal investigations, there is no such thing as a "coincidence".

[awareness]

I didnt see the comments from sfr3 on that linked article above... but perhaps it was Denise or a Denise supporter that said those things. Obviously the Alligators hibernate in the wintertime and certainly during cold temps which were proven at that timeframe.

Denise's now-husband says no one wants this solved more than they do. If that were true, IMO, they'd welcome and investigation and still be friendly with Mike's Mom who's their daughter's grandmother.

JMO/IMO

[Lesley]

I have not been able to post on this forum for some time, but wanted to let Cheryl, her family and loyal friends know that they are always in my thoughts, and I will do what I can to help them find Michael.

I also wanted to thank Jennifer Portman for her article on Saturday in the Tallahassee Democrat, for helping keep this story in the media and the public eye, and for the kind and generous donations to Michael's "Trust Fund". Hopefully we will be able to keep the billboard up well into the New Year. Thank you FightForMike and Tally4Tell for always keeping us informed and updated of what is on the websites.

To Max Power, I agree with your comment - there is no such thing as a coincidence, everything happens for a reason, we just don't always know what the reason is at the time.

To all of you out there who read, participate and contribute in these forums, I wish you a very Happy Christmas and New Year.

Thank you again.

[Archimedes]

To Awareness

What is that old saying "actions speak louder than words."

[Doctor Noles]

Archimedes,

Actions do speak louder than words, words can be very empty and meaningless unless the words are then turned into actions. You can email something or tell someone something all you like, but unless you follow through with whatever it is you are saying you will or will not do, the words mean nothing.

I have always tried to teach this over the years. If you say something, mean it. Don't say you are sorry or that you will do something, and then don't. That is much worse than not saying anything at all.

The "persons of interest" say they want to find Mike Williams, well where is the proof. Are they cooperating with the authorities? Are they providing information that may help? I have seen no evidence of this, so the words to the newspaper or reporters are meaningless.

I have just read the comments from ducklover on the other forum, and I have to say it really hit the mark. Now, we will wait and see.

[Maid Marian]

It's taken a long time to get back on this forum. I agree with you Doctor Noles, "say what you mean, and mean what you say". If you offer to help, please do so, and not back out. Mrs Williams doesn't need anymore "heartache".

[Tally4tell]

TallyNurse added the Mike Williams website link today on the recently created http://bigbendcrimes.com/ site. This site was created as a result of the Cheryl Dunlap case however other cases, like Mike's and Ali's, are being added.

Don't forget to continue contributing to all of Mike William's TDO and CourtTV forum threads in addition to this new site/forum. I really like the way topics can be broken down.

[Tally4tell]

Copied and pasted from TDO thread http://forum.tallahassee.com/viewtopic.php?p=218644#218644

"Lady Bug - Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: Copying the Post

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Ms Cheryl asked me to copy the post from Perplexed in the North. She was very touched by the kind words and support.


Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:34 am Post subject: Joining A Mothers Plea For Help.

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As I was sitting in the airport just the other day waiting for my connecting flight, I began a conversation with a southern man from your fair city. He just finished reading the latest posting on your online forum and informed me about this sad case. I must say it is very interesting and intriguing, but more disturbing that law enforcement has fallen short once again by not accomplishing their job. It seems these days, a mother must beg and plead with law enforcement and associated officials to do their job and investigate all avenues, beyond just making assumptions. Does the name Natalie Holloway mean anything at all? Yet another mother with an unfortunate cause and unanswered plea for help to local law enforcement, why? I was so disturbed by our conversation that upon my return home I read the entire forum and related newspaper articles that made reference to Mike’s case. As I digested the assumed scenario, that Mike went duck hunting and never returned home, further perplexed me. Apparently a search was conducted, but law enforcement never thought to treat the lake as a potential crime scene. Since a body was not discovered it was assumed he was disposed of by alligators. There’s that word again ‘assumed’. I’m a northerner, so I guess I would have bought that story, but about the time he was being declared dead by his wife, who consequently was in a relationship with his best friend; his personal items started to mysteriously surface at the lake. So, being an avid viewer of Court TV and CSI, one would presume law enforcement would have immediately initiated an investigation. Not so, it takes a mother’s pleading and tears for several agonizing years to get law enforcement off their lazy or incompetent rear ends and begin to earn their tax dollars. In the interim this poor mother is picketing churches and plastering posters all over town, not to mention the expense of billboards. It’s remarkable how an untrained mother can suspect foul play, but the quote un-quote, trained professionals gravitate to the easiest resolution of ‘unfortunate accident’. From what I can decipher, it appears law enforcement was accomplishing nothing, but had an ‘open investigation’. Why has this become the norm for police departments? Further, the mother’s only living son discovers a missing gun, thus involving the Feds who apparently conducted ‘dozens of interviews’. At least someone is listening to the mother’s cries for help. As I previously stated I’m an avid Court TV viewer and I know the only way to solve a complicated case is not to leave any stone unturned, meaning interview everyone at the lake, friends, family, coworkers, etc., investigate all avenues, or is this only applicable to one-hour television shows and not to real lives. I certainly hope not. Question, why did the brother have to bring the gun to the investigators attention? Had they not asked the family about the types of guns Mike owned?
I’m not sure how investigations are completed in the South, but I know if I wanted to commit a major crime I would consider your fair city, only second to Aruba. Those police officers apparently went to the same academy as yours. I commend Cheryl Williams for her valiant efforts, but I would be picketing every respective law enforcement agency who’s involved with this case. I think all people who contribute to this forum should picket and contact their elected officials and ask for the needed attention it deserves. Why does credit card fraud get more attention then the loss of a life? Where are our values, buried under bureaucracy and big business profits. Sorry Mike, you didn’t make enough money so our ‘law enforcement’ efforts are synonymous with the bottom line of your tax returns. Consequently, since learning about this case, I have contacted several of my friends who are in law enforcement; they too are mystified at the mediocre attempt to solve this case. In my travels, I have met many reporters and have shared spirits with several respected politicians who I am subsequently contacting regarding the lack of local effort to solve this case.
Consequently, where I’m from we call them suspects not ‘persons of interest’, but I must be more cynical then the average. I have attached questions to assist law enforcement in their efforts, I hope these help. I would ask law enforcement to return 1-dollar of their paychecks back to the citizen tax payers if utilized, seems only fair. Question: Who profited from Mikes disappearance? I’ll give you a hint to start you off. His best friend and former wife, both of which are apparently non-cooperating suspects. Why has it taken 7-years of Cheryl Williams and her son begging for answers to the local officials to get action? Now the Feds are involved, thus shifting responsibilities to all American tax payers, of which I am sure if aware of the situation, would demand results for their dollars.

Mrs. Williams and the citizens of Tallahassee, I commend you on your efforts thus far, continue to focus these efforts on the officials who get paid to investigate, hold these public servants accountable! Confessions don’t come easy, you have to work for them, Suspect Denise and Suspect Brian won’t give up without a fight, and you don’t either.

I digress for now, but pledge to do my part as a concerned citizen in alerting all who care to listen about a southern mother’s plight in seeking justice for her son. He deserves it, we all do, this is America after all. "

SPECIAL NOTE: THIS CASE NEEDS ALL THE HELP THAT CAN BE MUSTERED!!! THANKS FOR READING
:patriot:

JMO but I think LE refered to in above comments is in regards to Florida's Game and Fish. Again JMO

[Vixen]

Perplexed

What a wonderful post. I believe you will do everything you can to help.

[Bald Eagle]

I am new to this forum, but after having been told about this case by a local law enforcement buddy, felt I should read all the pages from the beginning. What a story. I feel the need to digest this case even further, and then post again.

Mrs. Williams, by way of my buddy Ronnie and myself, I will be sure to pass this case along to other people,and feel sure we may be able to help you.

Bald Eagle

[Vixen]

Bald Eagle

Now we have two more people helping with this case.

[Bald Eagle]

I have finished reading the forums on Mike Williams, and the newspaper articles. I want to know why the FBI is not involved in this case? I am in the charter boat business and have been so for many years. I come into contact with many people from all walks of life, and many different businesses. They might be legitimate, but some are criminal.
Reading these forums, I found statements concerning the friends of these 'persons of interest'. These friends seem to be affluent, have big boats, airplanes, landing strips and lots of large private properties, where a body could be hidden. Could these friends be involved in some kind of smuggling? Drugs? Illegal Aliens, arms or weapons, white slavery. Have the local Police checked into these possibilities? I read some of these 'persons of interest' go to Costa Rica, quite often? Have local authorities checked where they go, who they meet, who they contact? Can somebody on these forums answer these questions. We are very interested in this case out here.

[Chan]

Bald Eagle,

Welcome to the forums, I was very interested in your comments, and agree that smuggling is a possibility concerning Mike's disappearance. Mike was a very honest and hardworking man, and would not have gotten involved in that mess. Keep your comments coming, I am printing them to take with me to Washington next week, along with posters.

[Maid Marian]

Bald Eagle and Chan

I have always thought there was much more to this case than we ever thought, and now I am beginning to think that Mike Williams did not stand a chance against possible drug smugglers, and arms dealers. Will we ever know what happened to him.

[Archimedes]

Maid Marian

I do think Mike Williams will be found. The truth always comes out.

[Maid Marian]

Archimedes

The truth will come out, but don't you think over seven years is long enough to wait for the truth to come out? I do.

[Vixen]

This is the second post from Perplexed in the North, I wanted to share this with the court tv forum readers.

Excerpt of the post by Perplexed in the North

To Mrs. Williams, I empathize with your plight and could only imagine this situation as proverbial torture; however you must be strong and continue with your fight and campaign. Law Enforcement has a tendency to give up too soon when they are not certain of the ending. Don’t let them give up and you can’t either. To rally your cause, I will be making a monetary donation to Mike’s fund. However, these monies are not to be utilized for billboards or even posters, these monies are for stamps. Stamps that are to be affixed to the numerous letters that you and your supporters are to send to your elected officials and heads of law enforcement. As an additional bonus, thanks to the participation or lack there of, from the ‘Eagles’, I will be drafting a form letter to be utilized in this campaign. This letter will be included with the monies, make many copies of this letter as the stamps will be abundant.
If I could offer one final bit of advice, as I have taken enough of your precious time, if you believe in something bigger than all of us, something that flies higher than the supposed ‘Eagles’, say a prayer tonight, ask for resolution. It is ironic sometimes how things have a way of working out after a prayer, some say divine interventioion. As I am certain Mike is somewhere looking down at you, tired of seeing his mother cry herself to sleep at night. Tonight might be the night God is listening to a southern mother, in a small town with only one request……help my baby boy.

[Bald Eagle]

To Perplexed In The North

I have read your posts on these forums, and I am very impressed with your choice of words and how you express yourself. You obviously care and are a man of your words. This case needs not only divine intervention, but senate, congress and men of power and influence intervention as well.

I too, want to help Mrs Williams and her family bring this case to the attention of influential personnel, why don't I write to our Governor here, he may be able to help, you never know. Anything and everything is worth trying. So that is what I will be doing this weekend, penning a letter to bring attention to this cause.

[Lesley]

To: Perplexed in the North

Thank you so much for all you are doing to help me find out what happened to my son Michael, seven years ago. I think it's very important that these letters to all the government and law enforcement officials go out as soon as possible. I eagerly await word from you or the attorney you contacted.

To: ducklover

I am so proud of you for coming forward and cooperating with the authorities. Your sincere comments touched my heart deeply. Why do you think it's wrong for me to have hope that my son might be alive somewhere out there? The hope that he might be alive is the only thing that keeps me going from day to day. I have never denied the possibility that he's dead, but until the authorities bring me proof of his dead body, God tells me to have hope. Can I now ask you if you know for a fact that my son is dead, is that why you don't want me to be in denial?

Again, thank you Perplexed in the North and ducklover for your help in trying to find my son.

Cheryl Ann Williams

[Bald Eagle]

I have commented on the other forum, copy below.

To Lady Bug

I am extremely pleased to hear that Mrs Williams is getting help from Perplexed and from the attorney he has hired to help her. As I mentioned earlier on this forum, I will be writing to our Governor Schwarzenegger on this subject and have already penned a draft of a letter I will be sending to him at the State Capitol, which is in my home town of Sacramento. I will also ask his assistance in forwarding this letter and the information concerning this case to law enforcement agencies, government officials and the media here in California and Washington.

Mrs Williams, I wish you luck with this endeavor and will do all I can to help and assist you.

[Vixen]

Bald Eagle

I think it's a wonderful idea you are writing your Governor.

[Johnny Blue]

When the letter Mrs Williams and the attorney helping her is sent out to the politicians and is printed on the forums, who do those of us who live out of state send our copies to? Do we send them to Florida or to our state officials?

[Lucy]

To: Johnny Blue

Like ex fed said on the other forum, send it to everyone in your state and send it to Florida.

[ex fed]

Lucy,

I'm just waiting to see when the letter is completed and posted on all the forums. Does anybody know when the National Geographic Special will be shown?

[Archimedes]

To ex fed

We are all waiting for the letter to appear on the forums, so we can start mailing our letters out.

[Lesley]

To: Perplexed In The North and Everyone on the Forum

Due to new developments in Michael's case, which I am unable to tell anyone about at this time, I have asked the attorney hired by 'Perplexed In The North' to please hold the letters he has written for me until further notice. It may end up, that we won't need to use them, after all.

I thank all of you from the bottom of my heart for helping to solve Michael's case. Please continue to write on the forums, because Law Enforcement is getting useful and helpful information. I continue to pray that after seven long years, Michael's case will be solved. Please pray with me.

I have received a copy of the "Go Deep" production that was filmed at Lake Seminole last summer about my son's disappearance. The DVD is awesome. It has already been shown on Canadian History and Discovery Channels. The National Geographic Channel is going to show it in America. I am supposed to be notified before it is shown, so that I can tell everyone when it will be aired locally.

Please, if you can, continue to donate to Michael's billboard fund, and help me keep his billboard up another couple of months at least. God Bless everyone of you who are helping me find my son Michael.

Cheryl Ann Williams

[Lucy]

This new development must really be important, let's pray that it finds out what happened to Mike.

[Lesley]

To: tally taxpayer of tdo.com forum

I understand your disappointment in not sending the letters out. If I could tell you what the developments in Michael's case are, I know you would think it prudent to wait a little longer before sending the letters out to all our local politicians.

As you say, I have waited seven long years to find out what happened to my son, but I honestly believe that Michael's case is going to be solved very soon.

Please continue to post, and as soon as I am able, I will update everyone. Thank you.

Cheryl Ann Williams

[Bald Eagle]

To Lesley

Please update the forum as soon as you know when and if we can submit our letters. I am ready to go.

[Bald Eagle]

I went back and re-read all the pages of the other forum again. I noticed that somebody talked about how Ms Williams had to beg for three and one half years to get a criminal investigation opened up, and that a Law Enforcement agent was one of the main reasons she didn't get one. What does anybody know about that?

Who was the Law Enforcement agent trying to stop her? Why? Did this agent know something about this case and tried to cover it up?

[Doctor Noles]

I don't know anything about a 'law enforcement' officer trying to stop an investigation. Does anybody know who that officer is? and why?

[Archimedes]

It seems after reading the forums this evening, the law enforcement officer in question was a friend of the Merrells. He was helping them rather than Mike Williams' mother.

[Bald Eagle]

Why wasn't this officer doing his job? Why was he helping someone else and not this missing man's mother?

[Eagle Miss]

He wasn't helping a missing man's mother, or helping the investigation because the Merrells didn't want him to. They wanted Ms Williams to go away quietly, sweep the whole thing under the carpet and spend the money however they wanted. When Ms Williams wouldn't go away quietly and continued with her investigation, she was almost ran off the road, had a late night visitor, and lost her granddaughter.

[Vixen]

Is Lamar English the diver still helping Law Enforcement, or did he just drop off the planet?

[Bald Eagle]

I have just read on the other forum that somebody watched the Go Deep Production on missing Mike Williams. I hope it won't be long before it is aired nationally here in the US.

[Lucy]

I hope that politics will not get in the way of what is right. However having lived in Tallahassee and seen how politics do get in the way of justice, I am very skeptical whether anybody in this town will actually do anything!

Perplexed In The North was right, the letters should have gone out and I for one hoped that they would have by now. Mrs. Williams, what are you waiting for? Send them out, but not to local officials in this politically corrupt town.

[JJ Jackson]

If somebody who has already been questioned by law enforcement, and cooperated, would they be eligible for the reward money, if their information led to the arrest and conviction of the "persons of interest"?

[Tally4tell]

Forum readers don't miss today's TDO front page article "Insurance investigators take new look at Mike Williams case" at:
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080226/NEWS01/802260338

Look for the complete story Wednesday in the Tallahassee Democrat and on Tallahassee.com.

[ATX_RN]

Couldn't find a thread on this one, but it's a very interesting case. It seems pretty obvious to me...

http://beta.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?Dato=20080227&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=802270348&Ref=AR

[carterkatt]

verrrrrrry interesting.... wonder if all involved sleep well at night?

MOO!

[desmom]

I remembered reading about this, but could not remember where. :punch: A search turned up a thread in "Old Cases"

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=291879

[ATX_RN]

Here's a link to the myspace page for Mike.


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=246826032

[Tally4tell]

Hey, where did everybody on this forum/thread go?

By the way the Tallahassee Democrat designed and created a new TDO.com web site which has a completely new forum style/format(not sure if I stated this correctly) and you do not need to register to read. Here is a direct link to MIKE WILLIAMS's forum on the TDO.com site where several "discussions" can be found: http://tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=PluckForum&plckForumPage=Forum&plckForumId=Cat%3ae82f5d39-1de2-4768-8885-11c710d422*9Forum%3ac7f4c346-2d25-4f8f-*65c-59886ae814*0


Note: Occasionally the TDO site fails to load/respond(again not sure if I stated this correctly).

Also new website for Florida's Big Bend area was created recently during the Cheryl Dunlap missing case. Here is a direct link to MIKE WILLIAMS's forum on that site: http://bigbendcrimes.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=n5*6tpcsjtcj90q64bgs85jeu0&board=11.0

[Tally4tell]

Sorry folks for some reason this site is turning the small bees into an * and I couldn't remedy it. Maybe administrator can straighten it out. If not then you will need to drill down thru the TDO site to find the forums... I start by clicking on the communities tab then click the forums tab. Good luck...

www.tdo.com

[butterfly]

Hey Vixen: I am new to the forum and I noticed the comment about a man yelling at Ms. Williams, and about the Pastor of the church on a tirade. Could you fill me in on that? I did not know Mike , but I have seen his mom walking for years on her street and she always waves and is so friendly. I then saw her last year in front of Chiles HIgh School on a Sunday holding a sign with a picture of her son. I started reading the Tdo website and got caught up. I do see the POI's at various places around Tallytown and I feel so badly for Ms. Williams. Not every woman at the church is in support of the POI"s. I know if this was my mom , she would go to the ends of the earth to find me and what happened to me. I think she is the bravest person I have never met, and consider it a privilege to meet her. I want Ms. Williams to know my friends and I are praying for you and your family every day for the safe return of your beloved son or justice to be served and I believe it will , if not on earth , but Most definitely when POI"s stand before God. Some may get away with cimes on earth , but everyone will stand before God and will give account for their sins. There may be little comfort in that now, but know that God will bring the guilty to justice in eternity, if not on this earth for us to see. I think you are an awesome mom and I look forward to stopping next time I see you and introducing myself.