Amanda Jones, 26, Pevely Mo, Missing 8/15/05, 9 Months Pregnant

[Parker]

I have been following this case closely - I grew up not too far from where Amanda lived - it breaks my heart!

Although I am new to posting, I've been lurking since about 2003 - but the old job made it impossible to post so now I get to share my thoughts with all the incredible people on this board!

Anyway, I cannot provide links for the following information - it is all hearsay from "back home". My cousins father used to be the Chief of Police for a town not too far from Pevely. He said that if Bryan Westfall (last known person to see Amanda but not named as a suspect) has good connections within LE in Pevely - it could easily be a cover-up or a case of "well, let's just not look too hard". It's especially easy when the media is not breathing down your neck - I have approached the local St. Louis news channels and the STL Post Dispatch myself and there doesn't seem to be much interest in covering this story.

Another theory that absolutely sickens me to post is that BW used his MO Cattlemen's Association connections to dispose of evidence and perhaps, something more. There are plenty of meat processing plants in the area or across the river in IL. Sorry to go there - it is horrible to even imagine - but I thought I would share what I have been hearing.

For Amanda, Baby Hayden and Amanda's family:rose:

[UM&AMWfan]

Originally posted by Parker
I have been following this case closely - I grew up not too far from where Amanda lived - it breaks my heart!

Although I am new to posting, I've been lurking since about 2003 - but the old job made it impossible to post so now I get to share my thoughts with all the incredible people on this board!

Anyway, I cannot provide links for the following information - it is all hearsay from "back home". My cousins father used to be the Chief of Police for a town not too far from Pevely. He said that if Bryan Westfall (last known person to see Amanda but not named as a suspect) has good connections within LE in Pevely - it could easily be a cover-up or a case of "well, let's just not look too hard". It's especially easy when the media is not breathing down your neck - I have approached the local St. Louis news channels and the STL Post Dispatch myself and there doesn't seem to be much interest in covering this story.

Another theory that absolutely sickens me to post is that BW used his MO Cattlemen's Association connections to dispose of evidence and perhaps, something more. There are plenty of meat processing plants in the area or across the river in IL. Sorry to go there - it is horrible to even imagine - but I thought I would share what I have been hearing.

For Amanda, Baby Hayden and Amanda's family:rose:

UGHHHHHHHHH!! That is unbelievable what you heard!

I actually heard in rare cases they used to dispose of poor people in meat processing plants in the old Soviet Union and it may still be going on today in poor parts of the world.

A Russian lady told me that herself.

[BobbisAngel]

I hope that LE in that little town didn't just kind of blow this case off because that sperm donar had connections with someone. That in itself would be criminal.

What kind of arrangements did Amanda have with the sperm donar?

I believe he set Amanda up to murder her. I also believe that the girlfriend is involved somehow. I would love to know if they are still together.

It is my understanding that Amanda didn't want a darn thing from this guy. In reality they didn't really even know each other. They met and spent some time together the same night. She ended up pregnant. That is about it as far as I know. I don't recall that they even had any contact with each other. She wasn't bugging him to marry her or claim the baby. Why did he have to kill her and his baby? I just don't understand it at all.

I've heard Amanda's broken hearted dad on programs and it breaks my heart everytime I listen to him. The whole thing is just so sad. I wish they could at least find Amanda. What I really would like to see is justice for Amanda and the baby and for the killer to spend the rest of his life in prison.

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by UM&AMWfan


The real reason why Amanda Jones is not getting the attention that Laci Peterson did is not because it was a perfect marriage but it's because Laci was attractive and Amanda is not.

If Laci looked like Amanda then Laci would not have gotten anywhere near the publicity she did.

As proof of this look at all the cases of missing women who have gotten national attention. Natalee Holloway, Chandra Levy, Laci Peterson, etc. All of them are attractive and no one looking like Amanda Jones has gotten national coverage.

That is not right but that's just the way it is.

It seems to me that the boyfriend (sperm donor?) looks awfully suspicious and I'm suprised he hasn't been named a suspect. Amanda's dad has actually said that he is suspicious of him.

That arrangement that Amanda had with him is just bizarre.



I think another factor in the other two girls getting so much media coverage is that they had parents who were very assertive. I think you have to be in order to get anyone to listen to you and give you air time. I agree with what you said though.
It isn't fair but that is the way that it is.

What arrangement did Amanda have with the sperm donar?

[Parker]

As far as I know - or have heard - is that Amanda was prepared to raise the baby on her own with her family, with no help from the donor.

They actually never spoke during her pregnancy and I think he suddenly called her, the day of or day before she disappeared, and asked her to meet for lunch to talk about the baby. It's not like Amanda even reached out to him - why couldn't he just leave her alone?

I hope that her family will get the answers they so desperately need - and let's not forget the little girl that is missing her mommy everyday. Amanda's daughter must be so confused...

:rose: For Amanda

[txfemale45]

maybe LE will get a break when the sperm donar and his girlfried break-up and she will want to get back at him that happens alot..

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by Parker
As far as I know - or have heard - is that Amanda was prepared to raise the baby on her own with her family, with no help from the donor.

They actually never spoke during her pregnancy and I think he suddenly called her, the day of or day before she disappeared, and asked her to meet for lunch to talk about the baby. It's not like Amanda even reached out to him - why couldn't he just leave her alone?

I hope that her family will get the answers they so desperately need - and let's not forget the little girl that is missing her mommy everyday. Amanda's daughter must be so confused...

:rose: For Amanda

How did he find out she was pregnant and the child was his?
Did Amanda contact him? What transpired? Any threats? Any getting Lawyers?

Was a DNA test done - I assume this may have been a one night stand situation? Or was this a short fling - It does not seem like this SD was a real boyfriend

Is he lawyered up?

Its been a long time and I really hope there are answers for Amanda's family

[UM&AMWfan]

On the news they always referred to the guy as Amanda's boyfriend or the baby's father.

They never referred to the guy as just a sperm donor so where did you guys get that from?

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by UM&AMWfan
On the news they always referred to the guy as Amanda's boyfriend or the baby's father.

They never referred to the guy as just a sperm donor so where did you guys get that from?

You may be taking the term literally.

He came and went and Amanda became pregnant - no part in her life and she never asked anything of him. We do not know if he truly was the father. Im still curious how this was determined if they had no contact with each other

Leaves me with questions... What if......

When I read what other posters say, IMO - Sperm Donor is a figure of speech.

[txfemale45]

You can't do a DNA test until the baby is born, and if he is the one that murdered her that is the motive.

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by Justins Mom


You may be taking the term literally.

He came and went and Amanda became pregnant - no part in her life and she never asked anything of him. We do not know if he truly was the father. Im still curious how this was determined if they had no contact with each other

Leaves me with questions... What if......

When I read what other posters say, IMO - Sperm Donor is a figure of speech.


It isn't just a figure of speech. That is what he was to my way of thinking anyway. He sure wasn't a father figure. He donated the sperm for the baby and that was it.

Amanda met him at some social function. It was the first time they had met and they ended up sleeping together. It was a one night stand according to her parents.

I believe that she contacted him to let him know that she was pregnant. He said it wasn't his baby. As far as I know that was the end of the contact. She had wanted to know if he wanted to be a part of the baby's life but she didn't ask him for anything.

Then he contacted her one evening and asked her to meet him for lunch and talk. She went to church and then left to meet him. She has never been seen since. There are big holes in his story and you can tell that he is lying. LE just can't prove it.

I think he thought he would have to support a baby that he didn't want and wasn't about to have anything to do with. I also think that his girlfriend had something to do with him calling Amanda and arranging to meet with her. For all we know the two of them could have been together that day to meet with Amanda.
That girlfriend got an attorney...now why would she need an attorney if she hadn't even met Amanda or had anything to do with that meeting? That doesn't even make any sense.

I wish someone knew people in that town that the sperm donar lives and knew if the couple are still together. If they are...they have a huge burden on their consciences that they have to live with. I wish she would break.

I believe that Amanda knew the baby belonged to that creep. I don't think she was a wild girl that slept around a lot. She had a little girl and a good job. She seemed pretty settled down to me and she made a fatel mistake when she met that creep.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by BobbisAngel



It isn't just a figure of speech. That is what he was to my way of thinking anyway. He sure wasn't a father figure. He donated the sperm for the baby and that was it.

Amanda met him at some social function. It was the first time they had met and they ended up sleeping together. It was a one night stand according to her parents.

I believe that she contacted him to let him know that she was pregnant. He said it wasn't his baby. As far as I know that was the end of the contact. She had wanted to know if he wanted to be a part of the baby's life but she didn't ask him for anything.

Then he contacted her one evening and asked her to meet him for lunch and talk. She went to church and then left to meet him. She has never been seen since. There are big holes in his story and you can tell that he is lying. LE just can't prove it.

I think he thought he would have to support a baby that he didn't want and wasn't about to have anything to do with. I also think that his girlfriend had something to do with him calling Amanda and arranging to meet with her. For all we know the two of them could have been together that day to meet with Amanda.
That girlfriend got an attorney...now why would she need an attorney if she hadn't even met Amanda or had anything to do with that meeting? That doesn't even make any sense.

I wish someone knew people in that town that the sperm donar lives and knew if the couple are still together. If they are...they have a huge burden on their consciences that they have to live with. I wish she would break.

I believe that Amanda knew the baby belonged to that creep. I don't think she was a wild girl that slept around a lot. She had a little girl and a good job. She seemed pretty settled down to me and she made a fatel mistake when she met that creep.

That's my understanding too Bobbi. I also use "sperm donor" for those kinds of people and know many others who do too. It is far to easy to be a sperm donor but being a father or a daddy is a different kettle of fish. :beer:

[Parker]

Originally posted by Justins Mom


How did he find out she was pregnant and the child was his?
Did Amanda contact him? What transpired? Any threats? Any getting Lawyers?

Was a DNA test done - I assume this may have been a one night stand situation? Or was this a short fling - It does not seem like this SD was a real boyfriend

Is he lawyered up?

Its been a long time and I really hope there are answers for Amanda's family


Hi Justin's Mom!
I am certainly no expert on this case - I have just been relaying some information that I get from my friends at home. Some of the news stories on this thread will give you the most accurate info but I'll try to give you answers to your questions above.

Amanda apparently told Bryan that the baby was his - they supposedly had a one-night stand at a holiday party and Amanda was not dating anyone at that time (according to friends and family). And, according to all that knew her, she was not the type to "run-around" so her friends and family trusted that she knew who the father was.

Amanda wanted the baby and had no contact with him until a day or two before she disappeared. He initiated that call and asked to meet her...sadly...we can only guess what happened after they met since no one has seen or heard from her since.
And yes, he lawyered up (along with HIS girlfriend) a day or two after she disappeared.
I'm frustrated, as are many people on this case, because it seems like something would have broke by now. I do not like to think that people can still get away with murder this day in age...but somehow, it happens...

[UM&AMWfan]

Originally posted by BobbisAngel



It isn't just a figure of speech. That is what he was to my way of thinking anyway. He sure wasn't a father figure. He donated the sperm for the baby and that was it.

Amanda met him at some social function. It was the first time they had met and they ended up sleeping together. It was a one night stand according to her parents.

I believe that she contacted him to let him know that she was pregnant. He said it wasn't his baby. As far as I know that was the end of the contact. She had wanted to know if he wanted to be a part of the baby's life but she didn't ask him for anything.

Then he contacted her one evening and asked her to meet him for lunch and talk. She went to church and then left to meet him. She has never been seen since. There are big holes in his story and you can tell that he is lying. LE just can't prove it.

I think he thought he would have to support a baby that he didn't want and wasn't about to have anything to do with. I also think that his girlfriend had something to do with him calling Amanda and arranging to meet with her. For all we know the two of them could have been together that day to meet with Amanda.
That girlfriend got an attorney...now why would she need an attorney if she hadn't even met Amanda or had anything to do with that meeting? That doesn't even make any sense.

I wish someone knew people in that town that the sperm donar lives and knew if the couple are still together. If they are...they have a huge burden on their consciences that they have to live with. I wish she would break.

I believe that Amanda knew the baby belonged to that creep. I don't think she was a wild girl that slept around a lot. She had a little girl and a good job. She seemed pretty settled down to me and she made a fatel mistake when she met that creep.

Based on the above I'm shocked that this guy hasn't been arrested yet.

Police build a circumstantial case when there is no physical evidence so why can't they do it here??

[BobbisAngel]

I think that he buried her on either his property or the property of his parents. I think there are acres and acres. I doubt that dogs were taken out and every inch of the propertys were searched.
That is what should happen.

I never did understand the part about the people in the red car that were trying to contact Amanda. He said he didn't know them and Amanda told her parents that she didn't know anyone like that. Maybe it was just something stupid for him to say...why?

I wish someone had seen Amanda at that place that day. No one must have been there except them and maybe the girlfriend and maybe the people in the red car. I remember him saying that he left and came back 3 hours later. He said Amanda was on her phone when he left and still on it when he came back. What a bunch of bull. There was no such phone call on her phone. The last time she had used her phone was right after she left the church. He is a liar and no doubt a killer....even of his won baby boy.

I've just never understood his motive for killing them. She hadn't bothered him...wanted nothing from him...she was working and probably wouldn't even have gone after him for support. So why did he call her and arrange to meet? That is the mystery for me.

[txfemale45]

If I remember right they could not search his property or his parents because they would not give permission. couldn't they get a search warrent since he was the last to see her...

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by txfemale45
If I remember right they could not search his property or his parents because they would not give permission. couldn't they get a search warrent since he was the last to see her...



I believe that is the way it went. It seems to me that they could get a search warrent for that very reason but they haven't. If the guy has nothing to hide why not let LE bring some dogs out and give the place a once over? I hope he doesn't get away with this.
I so want him to have to face the consequences of his actions.
I think LE know that he is guilty too.

[txfemale45]

Bobbisangel

LE love a woman scorned... I think when he and his girlfriend breakup she will come forward with information... It is sad that her family will have to waite so long.... I have a 22 year old daughter and these stories just kill me..

[BobbisAngel]

If the girlfriend had anything to do with the murder she will never talk unless guilt eats her up. If she knows about it but didn't have anything to do with it she might talk someday if the two ever split.

I too feel so bad for Amanda's family. They not only lost their beloved daughter but the little baby that none of them ever even got to hold. They know that the sperm donar is guilty of taking Amanda and the baby's lives. That has to be so hard knowing who did it yet not being able to do anything about it. It is probably a good thing for the sperm donar that Amanda's family aren't a rough tough bunch. If they were he may be 6 feet under
never to be found. Can't say I would feel bad if that should happen.

[crazyhorse]

I think about this case a lot.

LE has said very little, I am hoping they have SOMETHING and are waiting for the sperm donor to hang himself, it has happened before in cases similar.

I hope the wait doesnt take too much longer.......

[Parker]

Just thinking about Amanda, her baby and her family today:rose:

Amanda, where are you??????

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by crazyhorse
I think about this case a lot.

LE has said very little, I am hoping they have SOMETHING and are waiting for the sperm donor to hang himself, it has happened before in cases similar.

I hope the wait doesnt take too much longer.......



If we can figure this crime out right off of the bat I'm sure that LE must believe the same thing. It's just common sense. The sperm donar contacts Amanda after no contact for almost 9 months. He wants to take her to lunch...odd. He is still denying that the baby belongs to him though. She goes to meet him and is never seen again. Her car is found at the place where she was to meet him. Pretty obvious to me. The guy can deny this crime till his dying day but I'll bet everyone in that area believes he did something to Amanda and the baby.

I will always believe that they are on his or his parents property buried. He knows LE can't search without a search warrent and they have to have something to go on before they can get one.

Because that girlfriend lawyered up LE can't question her about the sperm donar without her attorney present and then she probably would refuse to say a word. She is a guilty as he is if she doesn't want to answer questions about him. What do they have to hide if they aren't guilty?

[txfemale45]

Why can't LE get a search warrent when he was the last person to see her?

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by txfemale45
Why can't LE get a search warrent when he was the last person to see her?

I don't know but I don't believe that they have ever taken dogs out there to search that land. If they could I believe they would find Amanda.

I know how frustrated I am that LE hands are tied....I can't imagine what Amanda's parents are feeling when they know who murdered their daughter and grandson and they can't do anything about it.

This monster is getting away with murder x 2 :flamemad:

[txfemale45]

Bobbisangel

I don't think he will get away with it forever. I feel for her family my daughter is going to have a baby boy sometime between now and april 1.. I think when things sour with him and his girlfriend Amanda's family will find out what happened to their daughter.

[Parker]

It is so sickening to me that the girlfriend of Bryan Westfall would continue to cover for him IF she knows the truth. I have a bad feeling, that as fast as she got a lawyer, she knows something.

As a woman, that can bring life into this world, how can she sit in silence and let this family suffer? How would she like it if it were her daughter, sister or friend? Would she want to know what happened?

Also, how would Bryan feel if it was his sister or niece that disappeared? Wouldn't he want to know the truth?

It seems most people have completely lost all sense in the value of human life...everyday children are snatched, raped and murdered or killed by their own mother's and father's - woman are killed by the ones who vowed to love them forever - people will shoot people over parking spots....for God's sake -- when does it end???:shrug:

[ARIZONAGIRL]

For Amanda and her baby :rose:

[Erin023]

Originally posted by Parker
It is so sickening to me that the girlfriend of Bryan Westfall would continue to cover for him IF she knows the truth. I have a bad feeling, that as fast as she got a lawyer, she knows something.

As a woman, that can bring life into this world, how can she sit in silence and let this family suffer? How would she like it if it were her daughter, sister or friend? Would she want to know what happened?

Also, how would Bryan feel if it was his sister or niece that disappeared? Wouldn't he want to know the truth?

It seems most people have completely lost all sense in the value of human life...everyday children are snatched, raped and murdered or killed by their own mother's and father's - woman are killed by the ones who vowed to love them forever - people will shoot people over parking spots....for God's sake -- when does it end???:shrug:

I don't think it does end...and sadly, I think it's only going to keep on getting worse. I'm 24 years old and I don't even want to think how this world will be for my grandchildren and great grandchildren. There's evil all around us...Since our law makers aren't going to do anything to help us...We're on our own...People have GOT to be more resposible for their children...But, as we saw in the Jessica Lunsford case..our kids aren't even safe being tucked in at night in their own bed...Sick sick sick..As for the children who are being raped and killed by their own parents...The ppl with whom they should trust the most....be able to count on for safety...I just don't know...It blows my mind.

[BobbisAngel]

I wish that girlfriend of Westfalls would start feeling so guilty that she would run to LE and tell them everything. I don't think she will ever do that because I think she knows exactly what happened to Amanda and the baby. It wouldn't surprise me to discover that she was with him for that so called lunch date.

If she hadn't been with him or knows something she would have had no reason to hire an attorney. Why would she need one if she was sitting at home that day or over at a friend's place?
Maybe she was going to break up with Brian if he didn't get rid of Amanda and the baby. Maybe she didn't want him to have any other kids but hers. Who knows but I really believe that she was involved in some way.

I so hope that this case is resolved. I think of Amanda's poor parents sitting there day after day not knowing what happened to Amanda or where she is. They know who did it though.

[Parker]

Bumping for Amanda and Baby Hayden:rose:

I still have hope that the cowards that know what happened to you both come forward...

[txfemale45]

Bobbisangel

LE love a woman scorned... that is when she will come forward.. That is when alot of cases get solved. I just don't understand some young women that just want a man they don't care if he is a killer or child molester as long as they have a man...

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by txfemale45
Bobbisangel

LE love a woman scorned... that is when she will come forward.. That is when alot of cases get solved. I just don't understand some young women that just want a man they don't care if he is a killer or child molester as long as they have a man...


I think it is called DESPERATE :flamemad: The sperm donar doesn't look like he is anything special to be honest. I wish there was some way we could smoke him out. How do this couple live with themselves? Doesn't it bother them at all? I would have nightmares until I confessed.

I just hope and pray that Amanda and the baby get justice one of these days. This has to be so hard on her family.

[shelkobe]

With no news, Amanda's family has started a web page on Myspace in hopes of receiving anonymous clues or information. Of course, I can't actually find the page, but perhaps it has not gone live yet.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/96C05F278B50ADD7862572B6001B818C?OpenDocument

[Leanne Weich]

OMG, that story is so sad on many levels. I wish there was a law whereby any POI could be administered sodium pentathol (truth serum) in cases of missing/murdered people. I know, before anyone jumps all over me, that that would be against people's civil rights. Just makes me mad that victims rights seem to fall by the wayside. There surely has to be a better way than the one currently in operation. It really is, imo, unimaginable that people can literally disappear off the face of the earth. All JMO of course.

[tinaj1021]

Originally posted by shelkobe
With no news, Amanda's family has started a web page on Myspace in hopes of receiving anonymous clues or information. Of course, I can't actually find the page, but perhaps it has not gone live yet.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/96C05F278B50ADD7862572B6001B818C?OpenDocument
Here is the myspace page, hope it works.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=161024125

[beastieboy]

BUMP FOR AMANDA - I ALWAYS THINK OF HER AND HOPE SHE COMES HOME OR WILL BE FOUND

:rose:

[Parker]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich
OMG, that story is so sad on many levels. I wish there was a law whereby any POI could be administered sodium pentathol (truth serum) in cases of missing/murdered people. I know, before anyone jumps all over me, that that would be against people's civil rights. Just makes me mad that victims rights seem to fall by the wayside. There surely has to be a better way than the one currently in operation. It really is, imo, unimaginable that people can literally disappear off the face of the earth. All JMO of course.

I know, Leanne, crazy isn't it?? These people have so many "rights" that even when it is crystal clear who has commited a crime - there is nothing that can be done. And yes, I know that there are cases where innocent people have been accused but in this case, come on...he has nothing to do with her for the entire nine months and then at the last minute calls her to have lunch and no one ever hears from her or sees her again?

What's continues to bother me is that I grew up not far from where Amanda and her family live. One of our family friends used to be the chief of police for Jefferson County a while back (which is the county in which Pevely is located)...anyway, rumor (and this is just rumor - I do not have links or proof) has it that Bryan Westfall was connected with some higher ups in LE and in the local government so they "chose" not to pursue it too hard. And, from growing up in the area and still having family and friends there - everything is still very much the same. If you know the right people, you can get out of speeding tickets, DUI's...perhaps now that includes getting out of murder?

Also, he was part of the Cattle Association in Missouri and there are many meat packing plant in the state and right across the river in Illinois - that was another horrible rumor that was floating aroung back home for awhile is that he took her there and that is why they cannot find a trace of her. I completely apologize if any family or friends of Amanda's are reading this. I do not mean to be disrespectful or disgusting - it was just one thing that was a rumor.

Whatever the truth is - Amanda and Hayden deserve justice and her poor family and daughter deserve to know what happened. If Bryan or his girlfriend are reading this board - for crying out loud...do the right thing...and if you don't, I hope Amanda and Hayden haunt your dreams for the rest of your lives...

:rose: For Amanda
:rose: For baby Hayden
:rose: For Amanda's family

[Leanne Weich]

Parker, I agree with you regarding Bryan and I know that sometimes knowing people in high places helps you get away with murder (and in this case maybe literally too). I also hope that Amanda and Hayden haunt him forever. I will never believe he was not responsible for this.

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich
Parker, I agree with you regarding Bryan and I know that sometimes knowing people in high places helps you get away with murder (and in this case maybe literally too). I also hope that Amanda and Hayden haunt him forever. I will never believe he was not responsible for this.



I feel the same way as you two do. It is a terrible thing when everything points to one person and LE hasn't been able to get one piece of evidence on him. I really hope that they haven't just turned their heads and not really pursued this case.

I remember Bryan saying that when he left the center Amanda was talking on her cell phone and when he returned 3 hours later she was still sitting there talking on her phone. But in reality there was no calls on her phone after she called a cousin right before she met with him. Can't LE see this? He is a liar.

I think about Amanda being so big and bulky with her pregnancy and unable to even try and protect herself from him. Of her being so frightened and it just makes me sick. Why did he have to murder her and the baby? Why did he have to call her? Why didn't he leave her alone? She wasn't bothering him and was asking him for nothing. It just doesn't make any sense except his fear of paying child support and maybe the girlfriend threatening to break up with him if he didn't get rid of that baby.

I hope Amanda and the baby haunt both of them every day and night. How can they even live with themselves? A little baby that was ready to be born. These people are evil monsters if they could do something like that. They may not pay for what they did here on earth but I know they will pay when they meet their maker face to face then they will go straight to hell.

[Samantha]

No one on this board actually knows Bryan or Stephanie, do they?

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by Samantha
No one on this board actually knows Bryan or Stephanie, do they?



No we don't. Why don't you tell us all about them if you know them? Why did he want to meet with Amanda that day and why did Stephanie hire an attorney after Amanda disappeared? We would love to know what you know if you are willing to share.

[txfemale45]

I am waiting for the day they break-up LE love a woman scorned.. and I don't see why there is not enough evidence to get a search warrent I know it veries from state to state...

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by txfemale45
I am waiting for the day they break-up LE love a woman scorned.. and I don't see why there is not enough evidence to get a search warrent I know it veries from state to state...

If she knows anything of value and breaks up with him, what makes any of us think he wont strike again? That is if all posters are on the same page with this sperm donating dirtbag:flamemad:

[Samantha]

Originally posted by BobbisAngel




No we don't. Why don't you tell us all about them if you know them? Why did he want to meet with Amanda that day and why did Stephanie hire an attorney after Amanda disappeared? We would love to know what you know if you are willing to share.

I've known Stephanie for 15 years. She is not the person everyone on here seems to want to think she is. And Bryan is, honestly, one of the kindest, most caring people I've ever met. He was always willing to give up his free time to help his students with anything, he loves animals and has a huge heart.

I have no idea why he wanted to meet with Amanda that day and I wish he never would've. But I do not think he was involved with her disappearance. If anything, I think he was set up to take a fall. Perhaps by the red car couple who I think the police should've focused on finding and at least questioned.

As for Stephanie getting a lawyer...wouldn't you? The police want to question you in a possible murder case and you're going to walk in there with no legal support? You'd have to be stupid and Stephanie is not. Also, sometimes police won't even question a person without a lawyer present unless that person waives their rights to legal counsel. Again; guilty or innocent, you'd have to be an idiot. Police have been known to brow beat people and whatnot. I wouldn't have wanted her to go talk to them without a lawyer.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Justins Mom


If she knows anything of value and breaks up with him, what makes any of us think he wont strike again? That is if all posters are on the same page with this sperm donating dirtbag:flamemad:

Hopefully she's be damned careful. If I was in her shoes in those circumstances, I think I'd have a 24 hour guard.

[txfemale45]

Leanne

That is so true, she would be in danger...unless she helped and he is holding that over her head....

[BobbisAngel]

Hi Samantha,

I personally don't see anyone else having a motive to want to be rid of Amanda and the baby. She hadn't been bothered by anyone or threatened either. The only person that mentioned the red car was Bryan. He didn't tell her who the people were and Amanda didn't know anyone fitting the description or anyone with a red car. Those people...if they actually exist...wouldn't have known that Amanda was meeting with Bryan unless he told them.
I don't see how it could have been a set-up.

It is my understanding that Bryan's story was full of holes. When a person is telling the truth they tell their story and it never changes. Truth doesn't change.

Bryan may have been a nice person to his students but we never really know a person through taking classes from them. Sometimes we can be close to a person and not really know them and be in total shock when we find out they weren't who we thought they were. Look at Scott Peterson and how he had everyone including Laci's family fooled.

It was very clear that Bryan wanted nothing to do with the baby. He had made that very clear to Amanda. Why get in touch with her right before the baby was due? Why not just leave it alone as she wasn't bothering him. Amanda would have had the little baby boy and happily raised her two children together like she planned. It is really a shame that she agreed to meet with Bryan that day. If she hadn't she would be home right now with her two children. I would imagine that she was curious to see what Bryan wanted and it cost her her life.

As far as Stephanie goes...no, I wouldn't have hired an attorney if I had been in her shoes unless she was with him that day. Otherwise I see no reason on earth why she would think she needed an attorney. She was Bryan's girlfriend. If she was at home that day minding her own business or with friends why would she think she needed an attorney? Law Enforcement might have wanted to talk to her to see how Bryan felt about Amanda and the baby but if she had a firm alibi she could answer them honestly and I'm sure that would have been the end of it. If she was with him that day and went with him to meet Amanda then it would be a different story and she probably did need an attorney.

Thank you for answering my questions and I hope we get an answer about Amanda and the baby's disappearance soon. I can't imagine what her family are still going through and the great loss that they feel for the daughter they love and the little baby boy they never even got to hold.

[Samantha]

Originally posted by BobbisAngel
Hi Samantha,

I personally don't see anyone else having a motive to want to be rid of Amanda and the baby. She hadn't been bothered by anyone or threatened either. The only person that mentioned the red car was Bryan. He didn't tell her who the people were and Amanda didn't know anyone fitting the description or anyone with a red car. Those people...if they actually exist...wouldn't have known that Amanda was meeting with Bryan unless he told them.
I don't see how it could have been a set-up.

It is my understanding that Bryan's story was full of holes. When a person is telling the truth they tell their story and it never changes. Truth doesn't change.

Bryan may have been a nice person to his students but we never really know a person through taking classes from them. Sometimes we can be close to a person and not really know them and be in total shock when we find out they weren't who we thought they were. Look at Scott Peterson and how he had everyone including Laci's family fooled.

It was very clear that Bryan wanted nothing to do with the baby. He had made that very clear to Amanda. Why get in touch with her right before the baby was due? Why not just leave it alone as she wasn't bothering him. Amanda would have had the little baby boy and happily raised her two children together like she planned. It is really a shame that she agreed to meet with Bryan that day. If she hadn't she would be home right now with her two children. I would imagine that she was curious to see what Bryan wanted and it cost her her life.

As far as Stephanie goes...no, I wouldn't have hired an attorney if I had been in her shoes unless she was with him that day. Otherwise I see no reason on earth why she would think she needed an attorney. She was Bryan's girlfriend. If she was at home that day minding her own business or with friends why would she think she needed an attorney? Law Enforcement might have wanted to talk to her to see how Bryan felt about Amanda and the baby but if she had a firm alibi she could answer them honestly and I'm sure that would have been the end of it. If she was with him that day and went with him to meet Amanda then it would be a different story and she probably did need an attorney.

Thank you for answering my questions and I hope we get an answer about Amanda and the baby's disappearance soon. I can't imagine what her family are still going through and the great loss that they feel for the daughter they love and the little baby boy they never even got to hold.

I know Bryan quite beyond the scope of taking a few classes with him. Actually...I never took a class with him, though I did go to that school for two years.

He's my friend. I know how things look and I know that 'you never really know someone' but after knowing him for nearly seven years I can say that I know his character very well and he is not the sort of man who would plot murder and then throw a woman's body out of a plane, or hack her to bits and feed her to his pigs as some have suggested.

He's the sort of man to be upset if he ran over a squirrel with his car or to bury one of his dead farm animals with a heavy heart and tear in his eye. He's also the sort of man who loved children and I know without a question in my mind that he would never do anything to harm a pregnant woman.

As far as his story being full of holes; I've heard one story from him the whole time. I think this 'story full of holes' business has been sensationalized on these message boards by people's wild theories and the 'I think I might I have heard this' statements as well as via the media.

Cops are not so stupid that they would let a person of interest come in and tell them vastly different stories every day for a month and then say to that person 'Hey, you're an ok guy, just go on home and forget all about this'. He would remain a person of interest and the police would continue to look into him; which they have not. He's not heard a peep from the police in months. They obviously don't think he did it. And they don't think he did it because of the overwhelming lack of evidence that he had anything to do with her disappearance.

The fact that he was the last person to see proves nothing beyond just that; he was the last person to see her.

I mean, let's think about this logically for a minute. The woman never called him, never bothered him, wanted nothing from him, was apparently content to live her life with her kids, happily acting as though he didn't exist. So, Bryan, being a highly intelligent man, decides one day that the thing to do is kill her? He then calls her up and knows that her friends and family know exactly where she's going and who she's going to meet, thus leaving a trail right to himself. And then he leaves her car where it is, in exactly the spot she was to meet him.

That would be incredibly stupid. On top of all that, there's the fact that there really was no motive; not if Amanda wanted nothing from him, ect, ect, ect...Why would a perfectly logical, intelligent man kill someone under those circumstances?

I don't know Amanda, I don't know her family and I don't know who else might have thought they had a reason to abduct her. If there was a 'reason' at all. She did disappear not long after that other local woman was killed and her baby cut out of her. Horrible; but perhaps she was just taken for the child by some lunatic.

And I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about the lawyer. Stephanie wasn't with him that day and in fact, never met Amanda at all. However, had she asked my opinion I would've told her to get a lawyer and if I were put in the same situation; I too would've gotten one. Police have been known to brow beat people into confessing to having done things that they know nothing about. Especially when they're having heat put on them as they were in this case.

I suppose I think of it all differently because I do know these two people...I swear, if you knew Stephanie you'd laugh at some of the suggestions about what people think her involvement in all of this was. Because I have. To think of her popping up out of the backseat of a car, armed with chlorophorm...I know that you all don't know her...but if you did, you'd agree with me. It's a laughable notion.

I don't know what happen to Amanda but I do know what didn't happen. And that is that Bryan Westfall planned a cold, calculated murder and then carried it out. There's nothing in this world that could ever make me believe he had anything to do with it.

[Parker]

Originally posted by Samantha


I know Bryan quite beyond the scope of taking a few classes with him. Actually...I never took a class with him, though I did go to that school for two years.

He's my friend. I know how things look and I know that 'you never really know someone' but after knowing him for nearly seven years I can say that I know his character very well and he is not the sort of man who would plot murder and then throw a woman's body out of a plane, or hack her to bits and feed her to his pigs as some have suggested.

He's the sort of man to be upset if he ran over a squirrel with his car or to bury one of his dead farm animals with a heavy heart and tear in his eye. He's also the sort of man who loved children and I know without a question in my mind that he would never do anything to harm a pregnant woman.

As far as his story being full of holes; I've heard one story from him the whole time. I think this 'story full of holes' business has been sensationalized on these message boards by people's wild theories and the 'I think I might I have heard this' statements as well as via the media.

Cops are not so stupid that they would let a person of interest come in and tell them vastly different stories every day for a month and then say to that person 'Hey, you're an ok guy, just go on home and forget all about this'. He would remain a person of interest and the police would continue to look into him; which they have not. He's not heard a peep from the police in months. They obviously don't think he did it. And they don't think he did it because of the overwhelming lack of evidence that he had anything to do with her disappearance.

The fact that he was the last person to see proves nothing beyond just that; he was the last person to see her.

I mean, let's think about this logically for a minute. The woman never called him, never bothered him, wanted nothing from him, was apparently content to live her life with her kids, happily acting as though he didn't exist. So, Bryan, being a highly intelligent man, decides one day that the thing to do is kill her? He then calls her up and knows that her friends and family know exactly where she's going and who she's going to meet, thus leaving a trail right to himself. And then he leaves her car where it is, in exactly the spot she was to meet him.

That would be incredibly stupid. On top of all that, there's the fact that there really was no motive; not if Amanda wanted nothing from him, ect, ect, ect...Why would a perfectly logical, intelligent man kill someone under those circumstances?

I don't know Amanda, I don't know her family and I don't know who else might have thought they had a reason to abduct her. If there was a 'reason' at all. She did disappear not long after that other local woman was killed and her baby cut out of her. Horrible; but perhaps she was just taken for the child by some lunatic.

And I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about the lawyer. Stephanie wasn't with him that day and in fact, never met Amanda at all. However, had she asked my opinion I would've told her to get a lawyer and if I were put in the same situation; I too would've gotten one. Police have been known to brow beat people into confessing to having done things that they know nothing about. Especially when they're having heat put on them as they were in this case.

I suppose I think of it all differently because I do know these two people...I swear, if you knew Stephanie you'd laugh at some of the suggestions about what people think her involvement in all of this was. Because I have. To think of her popping up out of the backseat of a car, armed with chlorophorm...I know that you all don't know her...but if you did, you'd agree with me. It's a laughable notion.

I don't know what happen to Amanda but I do know what didn't happen. And that is that Bryan Westfall planned a cold, calculated murder and then carried it out. There's nothing in this world that could ever make me believe he had anything to do with it.

Well Samantha, thank you for your opinion...and it's just that...an opinion. Unless you were there with Bryan the day he decided to meet with her...unless Stephanie was there...neither of you know what happened.

I can list a lot of people who's close friends and family were like "NAME can't be involved! NAME is so wonderful, and kind and blah blah blah." So, please don't take this the wrong way but the exact thing you have described above is exactly why I think he had everything to do with this...

You say Bryan is "highly intelligent" - those are the types of people who always think they will fool LE and everyone else and skip off into the sunset. You also ask why Bryan would be stupid enough to call her out of the blue and then make her disappear. Yes, how stupid would that be? Well, many murderers have done the same thing...well, if it looks like I would be insane for setting this all up then the police will believe me - why would I do something so stupid??

Also, don't assume that the police are done with him and "letting him run around". They may know that he did it but cannot find the evidence they need.

I hope against hope that you are correct in your assessment...I hope Bryan didn't lay a stinkin hand on Amanda and her innocent little baby boy. But, I have to tell you, the "couple in the red car" is total @#$@.

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Parker


Well Samantha, thank you for your opinion...and it's just that...an opinion. Unless you were there with Bryan the day he decided to meet with her...unless Stephanie was there...neither of you know what happened.

I can list a lot of people who's close friends and family were like "NAME can't be involved! NAME is so wonderful, and kind and blah blah blah." So, please don't take this the wrong way but the exact thing you have described above is exactly why I think he had everything to do with this...

You say Bryan is "highly intelligent" - those are the types of people who always think they will fool LE and everyone else and skip off into the sunset. You also ask why Bryan would be stupid enough to call her out of the blue and then make her disappear. Yes, how stupid would that be? Well, many murderers have done the same thing...well, if it looks like I would be insane for setting this all up then the police will believe me - why would I do something so stupid??

Also, don't assume that the police are done with him and "letting him run around". They may know that he did it but cannot find the evidence they need.

I hope against hope that you are correct in your assessment...I hope Bryan didn't lay a stinkin hand on Amanda and her innocent little baby boy. But, I have to tell you, the "couple in the red car" is total @#$@.

Well, I happen to think that my opinion is worth more than that of those of you who don't know Stephanie, Amanda or Bryan. Because I know Stephanie and Bryan and I know what kind of people they are. All you know of any of them is what the media wants you to know and that is that Bryan is some shifty guy, the girlfriend is an accessory and Amanda is a saint.

So, you're *telling* me that the couple in the red car is ****? Shall I take that to assume you were there that day?

[Justins Mom]

Samantha, I have a better idea...

Go call your so-called good friend Bryan and show him this website and all those who have come together to show support to find Amanda and the baby

Maybe he can answer some questions

Also, just curious, whe told you about this board and what made you sign up?

Are you signing up on blogs and websites defending him?

Im just curious - you just showed up, like he just showed up.

Or ARE YOU BRYAN??????????
WHERE IS AMANDA?????????

[Justins Mom]

Samantha,

Your opinion is more valuable because you know Bryan
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA:lol:

We all want to find Amanda

Why dont you get your good friend or the other side of your personality on board and tell us where she is.

Let's face it - Amanda has been missing for a while now and all of a sudden you show up?

Are you lawyered up too????

[Leanne Weich]

I also believe there was no red car with strangers who abducted, murdered or whatever, Amanda.

How convenient for Bryan that his unwanted (by him) son and the person who desperately wanted said son didn't disappear during her prior 8 months of pregnancy. Too fortuitous.

I hold anything said by anyone claiming to know a POI in any case with suspicion. Every goddamn murderer has supporters. Hell even the worst of the worst have groupies running after them.

So many people feel that when they know someone who may be under suspicion of murder, that it is normal to lawyer up because those mean old cops are going to browbeat a false confession out of you. Hell, any reasonably intelligent person would not falsely confess. Add to that, if you go in for questioning and feel you are being treated unfairly you can, at any time, stop the interview (or interrogation as criminals like to call them) and refuse to answer any further questions without counsel present.

If Bryan is so damn innocent, volunteer to take a polygraph test. Even if he fails, it can't be used against him in a Court of law. The Court of public opinion doesn't count because in that Court people already feel he is likely guilty, imo.

[Snow_Dream]

Originally posted by BobbisAngel




I feel the same way as you two do. It is a terrible thing when everything points to one person and LE hasn't been able to get one piece of evidence on him. I really hope that they haven't just turned their heads and not really pursued this case.

I remember Bryan saying that when he left the center Amanda was talking on her cell phone and when he returned 3 hours later she was still sitting there talking on her phone. But in reality there was no calls on her phone after she called a cousin right before she met with him. Can't LE see this? He is a liar.

I think about Amanda being so big and bulky with her pregnancy and unable to even try and protect herself from him. Of her being so frightened and it just makes me sick. Why did he have to murder her and the baby? Why did he have to call her? Why didn't he leave her alone? She wasn't bothering him and was asking him for nothing. It just doesn't make any sense except his fear of paying child support and maybe the girlfriend threatening to break up with him if he didn't get rid of that baby.

I hope Amanda and the baby haunt both of them every day and night. How can they even live with themselves? A little baby that was ready to be born. These people are evil monsters if they could do something like that. They may not pay for what they did here on earth but I know they will pay when they meet their maker face to face then they will go straight to hell.

ITA with everything you said! And let's not forget that Amanda's other child was left motherless because of this heartless monster.
I too would like to hope that he is haunted by what he has done day and night, endlessly. Unfortunately, those who are capable of committing such an evil act do not have a conscience, and therefore do not lose a wink of sleep over the evil wrought by their selfish, cowardice, and monsterous actions. I do believe that Karma is an a$$ biter, and he will get all that's coming to him.

[Samantha]

This board isn't about finding Amanda. It's about attacking a man and woman who are innocent until proven guilty. Which they won't be because they are not.

I just showed up because someone at my office mentioned the case to me at work on Wednesday and so I started to do a little searching around the internet to see if there were any new leads or anything going on. When googling Amanda Jones Hillsboro MO this is the first thing that pops up so I checked it out. And let me tell you, when I did I was appauled at what some of you think happen.

All of you are so adamant about doing nothing besides attacking Bryan that you couldn't even have a civil conversation with me; automatically jumping on me and attacking me just by association.

Which, if you ask me is pretty sad.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Samantha
This board isn't about finding Amanda. It's about attacking a man and woman who are innocent until proven guilty. Which they won't be because they are not.

I just showed up because someone at my office mentioned the case to me at work on Wednesday and so I started to do a little searching around the internet to see if there were any new leads or anything going on. When googling Amanda Jones Hillsboro MO this is the first thing that pops up so I checked it out. And let me tell you, when I did I was appauled at what some of you think happen.

All of you are so adamant about doing nothing besides attacking Bryan that you couldn't even have a civil conversation with me; automatically jumping on me and attacking me just by association.

Which, if you ask me is pretty sad.

This case is not about you and how we perceive you. It is about a heavily pregnant woman who went missing (and, imo, was murdered) as a result of meeting your friend. The same friend who, according to you is so honourable, innocent and a wonderful person, that he has made no effort to find out what happened to his child.

I don't know who you think you are to say our reason for being here is to attack Bryan. Do some research and you will see most, if not all the posters on this thread, have a deep concern for all missing people. We never give up on cases we follow. We throw out our thoughts and opinions (btw. this is an opinion board) in the hopes that someone might come up with a plausible theory as to what happened to anyone who is missing. I can guarantee you that irrespective of how long it takes for justice to be served in this case, the regular posters will still be here unless for some dramatic change in their life.

If it disturbs you so much how people behave here, this might not be the right place for you. Perhaps you should create a support board for Bryan and Stephanie because your defensiveness here will not help your friends, imo.

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


This case is not about you and how we perceive you. It is about a heavily pregnant woman who went missing (and, imo, was murdered) as a result of meeting your friend. The same friend who, according to you is so honourable, innocent and a wonderful person, that he has made no effort to find out what happened to his child.

I don't know who you think you are to say our reason for being here is to attack Bryan. Do some research and you will see most, if not all the posters on this thread, have a deep concern for all missing people. We never give up on cases we follow. We throw out our thoughts and opinions (btw. this is an opinion board) in the hopes that someone might come up with a plausible theory as to what happened to anyone who is missing. I can guarantee you that irrespective of how long it takes for justice to be served in this case, the regular posters will still be here unless for some dramatic change in their life.

If it disturbs you so much how people behave here, this might not be the right place for you. Perhaps you should create a support board for Bryan and Stephanie because your defensiveness here will not help your friends, imo.

If you even think that I think Amanda's disappearance has anything to do with how some people on a message board percieve me...then you're nuts. I'm aware that Amanda and her whereabouts are the most important thing here. I was merely pointing out the obvious. You're all so intent on trying, convicting and putting Bryan to death on this message board that you attacked me at the mere mention that there could be another explanation for her disappearance besides him killing her and all that.

And to say that she went missing 'as a result' of her meeting up with Bryan is the same as saying he took her off and killed her. Which I know he didn't do. I also know that you guys won't ever believe that because you don't know him and you're all too fixated on that theory and that theory alone to even consider that he really did leave her there in the parking lot after a conversation and someone else came along and picked her up.

So, again, I must say it's not about looking at different theories here on this board. It's about coming up with different ways of saying 'Bryan killed her and hid the body'. And I don't have to do anymore research than I already did prior to my first post (reading all posts on the 8 pages of this thread) to see that.

And don't worry, I likely won't stick around here long. I just couldn't let everyone continue saying such horrible things about Bryan and Stephanie both without putting in my comments about what I really know about them. That they are good, caring and loving people who would not do anything like this. Nor will I go and set up a 'support group' for them online...they don't need that, they have plenty of friends and support in the real world.

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


This case is not about you and how we perceive you. It is about a heavily pregnant woman who went missing (and, imo, was murdered) as a result of meeting your friend. The same friend who, according to you is so honourable, innocent and a wonderful person, that he has made no effort to find out what happened to his child.

I don't know who you think you are to say our reason for being here is to attack Bryan. Do some research and you will see most, if not all the posters on this thread, have a deep concern for all missing people. We never give up on cases we follow. We throw out our thoughts and opinions (btw. this is an opinion board) in the hopes that someone might come up with a plausible theory as to what happened to anyone who is missing. I can guarantee you that irrespective of how long it takes for justice to be served in this case, the regular posters will still be here unless for some dramatic change in their life.

If it disturbs you so much how people behave here, this might not be the right place for you. Perhaps you should create a support board for Bryan and Stephanie because your defensiveness here will not help your friends, imo.

Oh yeah, and about him not trying to find out what happen to his baby...if he thought for one minute that he really was the father of that baby he would be out there looking for her still. Because that's the kind of person he is.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Samantha


Oh yeah, and about him not trying to find out what happen to his baby...if he thought for one minute that he really was the father of that baby he would be out there looking for her still. Because that's the kind of person he is.

That's an easy cop out imo. A person who had nothing to do with Amanda's disappearace but was the person responsible for her being in a situation where harm could have come to her, ostensibly innocently, would have to be some hard hearted b@sta@rd not to give a damn about her fate, imo. You certainly aren't making a case for his good character.

[Parker]

Originally posted by Samantha


Oh yeah, and about him not trying to find out what happen to his baby...if he thought for one minute that he really was the father of that baby he would be out there looking for her still. Because that's the kind of person he is.

We'll never know...will we? But I think Bryan suspected he was the father....why call her at the last minute to talk about the baby? Also, from Amanda's family, friends and co-workers - she was not a partying kind of gal...she admitted to her family that it was a one-night stand...a mistake....one that cost her and her baby their life.

I understand that you are passionate about defending your friends. Please understand that most of the posters on this board are passsionate about finding Amanda and Hayden and supporting the Jones family. We are not out to convict Bryan at all - but the facts that we have so far only point in one direction...and that is his. Without the smoking red car theory being proven - what else is there?

Even you have to admit that if he really left her there at the Civic Center in her car for all that time - no one saw anything? No one saw her? No one saw the red car? Sorry Samantha - it's too convenient...again, I hope that you are right, I want to believe that a man like Bryan (if he is as you say he is) would not look at Amanda and realize what a mistake he made by sleeping with her and how, even though she said that she would not sue for child support, he could potentially be responsible if she ever decided to pursue support - and you will never convince me that Stephanie was "OK" with the idea of Bryan, her boyfriend, impregnanting another woman. No, all too convenient - in my opinion.

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Parker


We'll never know...will we? But I think Bryan suspected he was the father....why call her at the last minute to talk about the baby? Also, from Amanda's family, friends and co-workers - she was not a partying kind of gal...she admitted to her family that it was a one-night stand...a mistake....one that cost her and her baby their life.

I understand that you are passionate about defending your friends. Please understand that most of the posters on this board are passsionate about finding Amanda and Hayden and supporting the Jones family. We are not out to convict Bryan at all - but the facts that we have so far only point in one direction...and that is his. Without the smoking red car theory being proven - what else is there?

Even you have to admit that if he really left her there at the Civic Center in her car for all that time - no one saw anything? No one saw her? No one saw the red car? Sorry Samantha - it's too convenient...again, I hope that you are right, I want to believe that a man like Bryan (if he is as you say he is) would not look at Amanda and realize what a mistake he made by sleeping with her and how, even though she said that she would not sue for child support, he could potentially be responsible if she ever decided to pursue support - and you will never convince me that Stephanie was "OK" with the idea of Bryan, her boyfriend, impregnanting another woman. No, all too convenient - in my opinion.

I am passionate about defending my friends because I believe them 100% If I thought that Bryan could have killed her I wouldn't be defending him. I love my friends and I'm a loyal person but not to the point of defending murder. There simply must be another explanation as to what happen that day.

And Bryan was returning a phone call from her that she had made earlier in the week. So his 'out of the blue' phone call wasn't quite *so* out of the blue. She wanted to talk to him and he agreed. Even though he didn't think the baby was his. He wanted to give her that much because he *is* a caring sort of man.

And had the baby turned out to somehow be his; no, Stephanie would not have been happy but those two were having problems when this whole mess supposedly started over Christmas that previous year. What woman would be happy that they were fighting with their boyfriend, he went out and had an alleged one night stand with someone else and it resulted in a baby? Hell yeah, she would have been upset. But she is not the kind of person to insist that said woman and baby be killed, nor is Bryan the kind of person who would do such a thing. Stephanie is important to him; but important enough for him to commit murder to make her happy. And she loves him enough that she wouldn't have left him over the baby, she would've been pissed and she would've cried and they would've fought. But she would've gotten over it as much as one can get over something like that and they would've stayed together.

Had it been his baby he may not have wanted anything much to do with Amanda (which is what I believe she wanted) but he would've wanted to be a part of the babies life, he would've paid the child support and been a father to that baby. The reason that he was so disinvolved with the pregnancy was because he never believed (and still doesn't believe) that the baby was his.

And yes, I will always believe that he left her at the Civic Center and someone else picked her up from there. Maybe it was someone else she knew which would account for the fact that there were no signs of a struggle and that she took her keys and that. And that no one saw anything, because people don't just notice someone getting amicably into a car and driving away. Now if she was kicking and screaming, yes, people would notice.

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich


That's an easy cop out imo. A person who had nothing to do with Amanda's disappearace but was the person responsible for her being in a situation where harm could have come to her, ostensibly innocently, would have to be some hard hearted b@sta@rd not to give a damn about her fate, imo. You certainly aren't making a case for his good character.

He does give a damn about her fate. I was just talking to them both the other day and they both are praying for Amanda, still. After two years though, you can't expect a man who barely knew her to be spending his whole life searching for her out of guilt.

I am of the opinion that someone else she knew is the one who picked her up from the Civic Center and from there, who knows what happen. But I think that regardless where she was they were going to take her; taking her from the Civic Center was just a very good idea because no one saw a thing and Bryan was set up just perfectly to take the fall.

[Justins Mom]

So, Samantha, You ae now saying that You are convinced that Bryan does not think he is the father of this baby. And without the DNA test, assumes he is not the father and this is why he is not looking for her =- What a crock of poopie

If Amanda chose life for this precious child being carried and took the high road to live her life with the baby and other child as a single mother - Why was she called by Bryan?

What does your very bestest friend have to say about the level of contact he had with Amanda? Was it one call - meet me in the parking lot. Was it a succession of calls - your the babys daddy, no I am not

What does Bryan say - did he actually see her that day? Speak to her? Have her in the car? Did she leave the car? What about her car? Where was it in comparison to his car? When did he see her last? What was the outcome of the conversation?

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by Samantha


He does give a damn about her fate. I was just talking to them both the other day and they both are praying for Amanda, still. After two years though, you can't expect a man who barely knew her to be spending his whole life searching for her out of guilt.

I am of the opinion that someone else she knew is the one who picked her up from the Civic Center and from there, who knows what happen. But I think that regardless where she was they were going to take her; taking her from the Civic Center was just a very good idea because no one saw a thing and Bryan was set up just perfectly to take the fall.

If h gave a ... anything about her fate , he'd be searching and NOT out of guilt. He actions make him look more and more like a POI.....


Are you Stephanie defending your boyfriend or are a delusional princess sitting on an imaginary pedestool?

hop off and trudge back to your imaginary castle in the sky where all is rosy, Bryan is the king and there is no missing anyone

We will continue to pray for Amanda - the only reason they claim to pray is to disassociate her with him

[Justins Mom]

Did Amanda become pregant while Bryan and Stephanie were going together ?

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Justins Mom
So, Samantha, You ae now saying that You are convinced that Bryan does not think he is the father of this baby. And without the DNA test, assumes he is not the father and this is why he is not looking for her =- What a crock of poopie

If Amanda chose life for this precious child being carried and took the high road to live her life with the baby and other child as a single mother - Why was she called by Bryan?

What does your very bestest friend have to say about the level of contact he had with Amanda? Was it one call - meet me in the parking lot. Was it a succession of calls - your the babys daddy, no I am not

What does Bryan say - did he actually see her that day? Speak to her? Have her in the car? Did she leave the car? What about her car? Where was it in comparison to his car? When did he see her last? What was the outcome of the conversation?

You ae now saying that You are convinced that Bryan does not think he is the father of this baby.

You say that as if I ever believed or led you guys to believe that I believed anything else. I have never thought he was the father of this baby.

I don't pry into the sex lives of my friends; especially not my male friends. So what happen between the two of them, I do not know. However, as adamantly as he insists that they baby could not be his leads me to believe there was never anything between them at all.

What does your very bestest friend have to say about the level of contact he had with Amanda?

You needn't say that in such a condescending manner. Simply because I have a different perspective on this case than everyone else doesn't mean you need to attack me or my relationship with Bryan and Stephanie.

I know that early on in the pregnancy there was some contact between the two. Her informing him that she was pregnant, I know at first he was confused as to why she was telling him this. I don't think the contact was a constant stream of calls but I know that they spoke at least a few times. He called her that Sunday, as I said in an earlier post, because she had called him earlier in the week and he was returning her call.

He saw her that day, he spoke with her in the parking lot and that's where he left her. And that's what his story has always been. There has been no great change in it, as some seem to think. It's unfortunate that he was the 'supposed' last one to see her but the reality is that he was not. The person who took her was the last one to see her. But that person's not jumping up to say they saw her last.

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Justins Mom
Did Amanda become pregant while Bryan and Stephanie were going together ?

She did. Bryan and Stephanie had been together for something like 2 years when all this started.

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Justins Mom


If h gave a ... anything about her fate , he'd be searching and NOT out of guilt. He actions make him look more and more like a POI.....


Are you Stephanie defending your boyfriend or are a delusional princess sitting on an imaginary pedestool?

hop off and trudge back to your imaginary castle in the sky where all is rosy, Bryan is the king and there is no missing anyone

We will continue to pray for Amanda - the only reason they claim to pray is to disassociate her with him

I am not Stephanie nor am I delusional.

I think you all need to get off your high horses. What are you doing to help Amanda? Sitting in your living rooms condemning a man via a message board on the internet. You think this is helping to find her?

And then you all have the nerve to attack me simply because I'm friends with Bryan and Stephanie? Give me a break. I've had more rational, intelligent conversation on the American Idol message board than here.

And who are you, Justin's mom, to question Bryan or Stephanies faith and to say who and what they are or are not praying for?

Most everyone I've had the displeasure of corresponding with on here make me sick. You claim to be trying to help Amanda, but you're not. And as a matter of fact, for those of you who live states and states away I don't even think this is real to you anymore. It's all about conspiracy theories and damnation. Then you hide behind the statement 'We're trying to help Amanda'. You're not. All these messages saying that Bryan should rot in hell and that Stephanie is an evil jealous ***** aren't helping anyone. Not Amanda, not her baby, not anyone. Keep that in mind, all of you.

[Justins Mom]

American Idol board - Do you blog everyone who hates Sanjaya and claim you know him too? Oh, Puh-lease
Are you the president of the Clay-mates, the clay Aiken fan club who blogs on all boards to those that question his ""preferences"".

Sounds to me like all you do is cause controversy where ever you go


Stephanie, I mean Samantha, or who ever you claim to be

If you were really a friend of Bryan, you would have come with an open heart, rather than an accusing tone to this board

Regardless of anyones opinion - bashing their beliefs is a no-no

You would have introduced yourself as someone who knows Bryan and blogged openly, honest - and with positive dialect.

You may have offered insight to the facts. Your prespective may be one sided but its a side that is truely yours to give

On the other hand, you didnt - You attact people you do not know - many of us have a huge interest in finding all of the people listed and are on other sites as well.

Again, your opinions are strong. You too do not know if the two people pray for Amanda - Are you with them? Do you go to church with them? I doubt it - Saying you pray and actual ly doing so are different - thnk what you want - neither one gives a 2 cent hoot about Amanda or the baby - they just want their names disassociated with her

Have the police interviewed you? You seem to have strong opinions that they might be interested in

Read your stories again, and again for inconsistancies. I am starting to doubt you even know these people.

If the baby turned out to be Bryans, why was he so concerned with everything but the babies welfare - I see he wanted nothing to do with Amanda, Would I be correct to state that the baby did not represent a human being of his blood, rather than a "thing"

YOur stories even suggest motive to get rid of a girl, a one night stand , that would ruin his name and reputation, his current relationship - that he'd be stuck seeing this person he wanted nothing to do with, be forced to assist in the upbringing and financial responsibilities of this unwanted thing

:no:

What he should be doing is everything he can to find her. If he is not the father, he needs to clear his name. That is a whole nother issue

But I dont think so

jmo

Justins Mom's Opinion

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Justins Mom
American Idol board - Do you blog everyone who hates Sanjaya and claim you know him too? Oh, Puh-lease
Are you the president of the Clay-mates, the clay Aiken fan club who blogs on all boards to those that question his ""preferences"".

Sounds to me like all you do is cause controversy where ever you go


Stephanie, I mean Samantha, or who ever you claim to be

If you were really a friend of Bryan, you would have come with an open heart, rather than an accusing tone to this board

Regardless of anyones opinion - bashing their beliefs is a no-no

You would have introduced yourself as someone who knows Bryan and blogged openly, honest - and with positive dialect.

You may have offered insight to the facts. Your prespective may be one sided but its a side that is truely yours to give

On the other hand, you didnt - You attact people you do not know - many of us have a huge interest in finding all of the people listed and are on other sites as well.

Again, your opinions are strong. You too do not know if the two people pray for Amanda - Are you with them? Do you go to church with them? I doubt it - Saying you pray and actual ly doing so are different - thnk what you want - neither one gives a 2 cent hoot about Amanda or the baby - they just want their names disassociated with her

Have the police interviewed you? You seem to have strong opinions that they might be interested in

Read your stories again, and again for inconsistancies. I am starting to doubt you even know these people.

If the baby turned out to be Bryans, why was he so concerned with everything but the babies welfare - I see he wanted nothing to do with Amanda, Would I be correct to state that the baby did not represent a human being of his blood, rather than a "thing"

YOur stories even suggest motive to get rid of a girl, a one night stand , that would ruin his name and reputation, his current relationship - that he'd be stuck seeing this person he wanted nothing to do with, be forced to assist in the upbringing and financial responsibilities of this unwanted thing

:no:

What he should be doing is everything he can to find her. If he is not the father, he needs to clear his name. That is a whole nother issue

But I dont think so

jmo

Justins Mom's Opinion

The American Idol boards were the first thing popped into my mind when I thought of immature banter between adult individuals.

I stumbled onto this board with a more or less open mind. I don't think Stephanie and Bryan had anything to do with this therefore my mind wasn't open to that possibility any moreso than any of your minds are open to the possibility that they *didn't* have anything to do with it.

Everyone on here was attacking Bryan and wondering about 'the girlfriend' and I know them, I wanted to vouch for the fact that he's not satan and also clear things up a bit about Stephanie.

I had no intention of coming here to make any of you believe that I know these people. Which I do and could prove it very easily, but I'm not going to post pictures of myself or of them on here just prove that I know two people who you all hate. And I must ask, what are these inconsistencies in my 'stories' that make you think I don't know Bryan and Stephanie?

Also, I attacked no one until people started attacking me. Bobbis Angel and I were discussing back and forth and not once did I attack their character. We were sharing opinions and thoughts. Then others jumped in and began not only attacking Bryan and Stephanie but me as well. So I defended myself and along the way pointed out some of everyone else's short comings as well. As a matter of fact, all was well until you jumped in with your first comment to me saying something like 'You are Bryan aren't you? Where is Amanda?'

thnk what you want - neither one gives a 2 cent hoot about Amanda or the baby - they just want their names disassociated with her

You speak as though you know them. You know nothing about these two people because if you did you would be of the same mind set that I am.

The police have not interviewed me, however if they wanted to interview me about the character of their two 'people of interest' I would go happily and tell them as well that I don't believe Stephanie or Bryan could have had anything to do with any of this.

I get where everyone on here is coming from; though I don't think the hostility toward Bryan, Stephanie or myself is warranted. I *know* how this case looks, believe me, I know. And if I didn't know Bryan, if I hadn't grown up with Stephanie I too, would most likely be thinking 'Well, of course he did it' and not be worried about the overwhelming lack of evidence.

But I do know him, and I do know her and I know the type of people they are. Therefore the case takes on a different meaning to me.

Bryan and Stephanie aren't two heartless people who are a statistic in my mind; Stephanie has been my friend for years and years. She's a person to me, not just 'the girlfriend'. She's someone who has cared about me and laughed with me and hurt with me for years. She's a good friend and a good person. She's not a killer and she's not someone who would ever encourage murder or hide it. If Bryan had had anything to do with it and she had known about it; she wouldn't hide it.

And Bryan is this wonderful caring man who provided a shoulder for me to cry on and a listening ear when I had a problem. He is the type of person who wants to help you figure out all your problems and make them better.

So, understand while you're attacking me and my character and saying that Bryan is satan and Stephanie is heartless that they are people too. They're not criminals and everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

[Leanne Weich]

Samantha, you are certainly entitled to your opinion of Bryan and Stephanie and, for your sake, I hope you are right.

You must, however, admit you came on this forum trying to force everyone to believe what you put forth.

For those of us posters who have been posting on different fora relating to missing people for years, you might want to take into account, we opine on what may have happened and those opinions are based on following hundred and thousands of cases such as this unfortunately.

Because people might live in different States or Countries, does not mean that people's concern for Amanda, her family or any other missing person is not genuine.

Many people in this community cannot physically partake in searches for missing, do not know them, yet will donate to funds created for them. Do you think that is because they have no real interest in victims?

You are very quick to get upset with people for actions which you yourself are equally guilty of. You have attacked people who don't agree with you as well.

Take a chill pill and realise that as much as you want to protect your friends, we want the truth to come out about Amanda. JMO

[Justins Mom]

Jmo means just that

If I have an opinion based on the facts and stories presented, I am entitled to this
If you were a friend, you would approach this differently
Your stories of facts do change to different meanings on a few things, who are your friends, how long you've known them, the circumstances of your friendship -

You are spending more time defending 2 people rather than doing what you should be if you are who you say you are - and I really do not want to see pictures or proof, I dont care

Present us with facts you know 1st hand you do not see here.
Anything I have heard from you , I read somewhere else

I will say it again as you can see I have been posting since the get go - Nine month pregnant woman disappears in thin air after last person to see them ( go back to beginning posts) is Bryan

Samantha, you got som splaynnninnnnn to do!!!!!

BTW - Do you also post as JG robins egg on the beth board?

[Samantha]

I will admit to having been selective of things I've said on here because I don't want people to know who I really am. I would, personally, prefer to stay out of all this controversy. Samantha is not my real name; I chose it because Stephanie and I did not graduate with anyone named Samantha and therefore I knew the SN wouldn't get confused with anyone from our graduating class.

So, let me clear a few things up, again, without giving out too much info about myself personally. Why don't I want you guys to know who I am? Because I don't want people digging around and attacking me. Not that I think you can find anything about me online at all...nor have I done anything that deserves attacking. And no, for the last time; I am not Stephanie. I am not Bryan.

Stephanie and I met when we were 12ish at the beginning of junior high. I am now 25, so yes, huge discrepency; 13 years 9ish months instead of 15. We went through junior high, high school and two years of college together. Friends the whole time. We met Bryan during our second year of college...which would've been early 2001. He was the faculty advisor of Phi Theta Kappa (the national honor society at our school) and Stephanie and I were both members. We became friends with him almost immeadiately because he just has that kind of personality that puts you at ease. He's a friendly sort of guy.

And that's all I'm going to say on how I know them ect. Believe me or don't, I don't guess it really matters.

Now,Leanne , I didn't want to force anyone to believe anything when I came on here. I knew people would quite possibly react in a less than favorable way. Though I guess I was hoping for less attacks and more questions about Bryan and Stephanie. Beyond the scope of 'Where's Amanda?' I just wanted to tell you all what they're both really like.

I don't know what I thought I might accomplish from doing so, but put yourself in my shoes for a moment...I couldn't just sit by and let you all believe such horrible things without at least putting their true characters out there for you hear about.

And the only reason I 'attacked' is because my posts were met with such condescending and spiteful replies. And truly in my opinion, this board is no different than that of a fandom; where people fixate on one idea and then attack anyone who dares to disagree with them. The only thing is; this isn't a TV show where Bryan and Stephanie aren't real and the things that you say aren't hurtful because they're just characters on a show. They are real people who have real emotions and just because you guy accuse them of something doesn't make it true and doesn't make it 'ok' to attack them. **Ok, that really wasn't directed at you Leanne...it was more of a general comment.**

Justin's Mom, is there some sort of protocol for dealing with people accusing your friends of murder? You might react differently to it and deal with it differently but this really is how I chose to deal with this particular board. If you disagree with my actions then I'm sorry. What else should I be doing? Heading up the man hunt for Amanda with my lapdog every night? I mean, what should I be doing since these people really are my friends?

The fact that you read everything I've said somewhere else...sorry. It's the truth. I haven't sat down to have long drawn out conversations with Bryan about all this. He told me what he told me and it was the same as what he told the police and what was in the news. Sorry.

And I don't think I have anything to explain for. I did nothing.

And no, I'm not on any other message board. Though I have read the stuff (all 18 pages of it) on the webslueth board. What is the other one? Do Stephanie and Bryan have another friend on there? I wouldn't mind checking it out.

[Justins Mom]

Samantha, you are still trying to justify your postings here.

While family and friends do appear on many missing persons websites, Its really disheartening to have a poster join and pull the attention off the subject the way you have.

Try it again.... Its not all about you. You are new... many of us have been cyber friends for years. We all have that drive for truth and justice


How about re doing it so there is no more bashing ...

... HI, I'm xxxxxx. I am a friend of XXX and I heard about your site through NNNN. A little about your friendships and a notice of statements being your opinion would be fine. Let us know you did not know Amanda but knew of the situation and how.

Somehow I see you are trying to hide yourself and are focused so that no one finds out who you are. Who cares? We all post here and have met many wonderful and insightful family members and quite a few who have taken the tragedy of a missing loved one and turned it into an opportunity to help others

That is not the way you came on. Your conversations took an ugly and accusatory tone from the 1st post. You drew ire instead of sympathy

If you have info to offer to help those who do not know Bryan and Stephanie, share it. This is not what you have done at all

As I mentioned before - You have offered nothing that I have not read with the exception of how long you have been friends with them. Please keep in mind that your posts are hearsay - Bryans explanations to you - allegedly and you to us

Leanne is one of the nicest posters and has been on the boards for a long time. Seeing your responses to her really took me aback as she is all about getting the information and offering unique insite.

Perhaps you can start by apologizing to the posters you've offended

We are not here to fight. We understand you are allegedly friends with both of these people but the story seriously has holes in it and does not smell very good for either of your friends

Perhaps one day we will have answers.

Lets move on now........

[Samantha]

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[Samantha]

I don't really have to try and justify my posting here...it's a message board for the public to talk.

I'm not sure I incited ire with my post saying 'I know Bryan and Stephanie and they're not the sort of people who would do this'.

The fact that you and everyone else keeps saying 'You allegedly know them' and 'You're probably Bryan, where's Amanda?' This is how you welcome the newcomers here?

I explained why I don't want you to know who I really am, you all obviously hate me as well as Bryan and Stephanie just because I know them. Why would I want to come on here and say 'here's my name, and here's where I live and here's a little about me'? Besides that, I never use my real name on message boards because you never know who you might run into on one.

I don't suppose it really matters what else I say...You'll all continue to blame Bryan and Stephanie and keep coming up with your conspiracy theories about them.

I don't think we've gotten off topic at all. Most of the posts weren't about Amanda anyway, they were about how evil Bryan is. With the occassional 'rose and bumping for Amanda' post thrown in.

Leanne might be a total sweetheart to some, hell, most even, but she was not to me. Was I supposed to somehow realize that she's really a wonderful person when she didn't show me that? Nor do I think I said anything particularly offensive to her in the first place.

And perhaps I'll apologize to the people I've offended when the people who have offended me apologize to me. My first posts were nothing more than 'I know Stephanie and Bryan, they are not evil people'. How that was offensive to everyone, I do not know. I have tried to tell you all what Bryan and Stephanie are like and all you can say is 'You may think you knwo them' and 'Tell us something we haven't read elsewhere' and 'You're really Bryan! Tell us where Amanda is!'

No one was interested in what I had to say from the first post I made. Which doesn't particularly shock me...though the outpouring of hostility kind of does. And like I said, I'll never be able to get my opinions across because no one is listening to what I'm saying. Instead you're ganging up on me because you all do know one another and you'll continue to back one another and disregaurd anything else I say. Which is why I'll probably stop posting soon.

[Justins Mom]

Heck, Im surprised you stayed this long to go on and on about ... whatever
Sadly, I see the same self righteous stuff I have seen from the get go.

We are discussing a case - Samantha brings it off course and attacks and snipes at anyone who has a different opinion

No one wants to know your life story lady but you sure come across as someone who is mightier than thou because you supposedly know central figures in this case

Since you are so self righteous, have you assisted in the search for this young lady and her precious baby?

Even in your posts it comes clear to me that you dont give a hoot if she is ever found.

If you dont have anything nice to say - Be gone with you.

Let's get back to Amanda

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Justins Mom
Heck, Im surprised you stayed this long to go on and on about ... whatever
Sadly, I see the same self righteous stuff I have seen from the get go.

We are discussing a case - Samantha brings it off course and attacks and snipes at anyone who has a different opinion

No one wants to know your life story lady but you sure come across as someone who is mightier than thou because you supposedly know central figures in this case

Since you are so self righteous, have you assisted in the search for this young lady and her precious baby?

Even in your posts it comes clear to me that you dont give a hoot if she is ever found.

If you dont have anything nice to say - Be gone with you.

Let's get back to Amanda

I come across as self righteous? Who the hell do you think you are to say that I don't care if Amanda is found? What is the matter with you? I sure as hell care and not because of Bryan and Stephanie but because a woman is missing and her family is in horrible pain because of it.

And you in particular seem to want to do is dehumanize Bryan, Stephanie and anyone else who has anything to do with them. Does that make it easier on you when you say things like he should burn in hell? To make him out as a monster first?

People were asking questions; who knows the girlfriend? What's her story? So since I do know her, I decided to post, knowing that I probably wouldn't be met with the hugs and roses that you all give one another. And what do I get for my trouble? I get sniped at, *****ed at, called a liar and now dehumanized to the point of you saying that I don't care that a woman and baby are missing? What kind of person are you?

[BobbisAngel]

Samatha,

What do you know about the red car that Bryan said the people in it were looking for Amanda? I've always tried to make sense of that red car because Amanda and Bryan didn't really have any connection. I have always wondered why those people would go to Bryan to try and get in contact with Amanda. Do you remember what that was all about? Did he give them her phone number?

About the baby. It would have been foolish for Amanda to tell Bryan that the baby was his if it wasn't. What if he had said "well Amanda...I don't think the baby is mine as we only slept together once but when the baby is born we will have a DNA test done and find out for sure. If she had been lying what would she have said? She would have sounded foolish to have said "no, I don't want to have a DNA test. I do think the baby was his and who knows...maybe they were both drunk as they were at a New Years party or something like that. Maybe it just happened without either planning for it to happen and she ended up pregnant. Amanda's parents have said that Bryan wanted nothing to do with the baby. I would think that he would have wanted to have a DNA test after it was born. I doubt that it seemed real to him as it was a one night stand and he was in love with someone else but if he is the guy that you say he is then I would think he would have told Amanda that a DNA test would prove if he was or wasn't the father.

There couldn't have been anyone stalking Amanda who found her at the Civic Center. She told her folks where she was going after church...went to church...and then drove off to meet with Bryan. She made one phone call to a cousin while she waited for Bryan and that was the last call on her phone. I don't think that anyone else knew that she was meeting with Bryan.

I have heard that Bryan said that he left her in the parking lot talking to someone on her cell phone. He came back 3 hours later and she was still sitting there talking on the phone. Have you heard that too? Did he leave her there after their talk and then go back hours later?

I don't know Amanda but from everything I have read about her she sounds like someone that I would have enjoyed knowing. I come on these boards and read all of the horrible things that are happening to people. I hear the pain that their families are going through and it is heartbreaking. I can't imagine having a child missing and not knowing where they are or what has happened to them. My daughter was murdered when she was 25 yrs by her ex-husband and she left a little 4 1/2 yr old daughter behind. I have great compassion for anyone who has been through such a nightmare. I believe that every murdered person should have justice and every family should see the killer tried and sent to prison. I pray that Amanda's parents and sister find Amanda and the baby boy and that there will be justice for Amanda someday.

I don't know if Bryan was involved. I just know that his attitude towards the baby really bothered me and the fact that he wanted nothing to do with the little guy even though he didn't know if he was his or not due to no DNA testing. Will will never know if the baby was his or not...now. Do you know why Amanda wanted to talk to Bryan? I do remember reading somewhere early on that she had talked about naming the baby after him and wanting his approval. Was that true? Did Bryan agree to take a polygraph? I would think he would do everything he could in order to clear his name. I remember hearing Amanda's dad saying that Bryan had changed his story and that is why they think he did it. I would assume that he got that info from the police as I'm sure her dad never talked to Bryan.

I just wish that we would find out what happened to Amanda and the baby. Someone has to know something if they would only come forward and talk. What do people around there think happened?

[Justins Mom]

Justification of calling a basher a basher is a beautiful thing. Keep yapping.

If you cared, you'd stop and move forward. This is an opinion board, My opinion is clear and if you dont like it , dont respond.

Again, It ain't about you sister, its about a woman and child missing

You dont have to defend yourself, no one cares

Perhaps you can stop the silly behavior now, move forward. Bobbi's Angel has a few questions about the red car for you.

[Justins Mom]

bobbis angel, Great questions, and great statements - lets re focus. Samantha may have some good insight on this

[Samantha]

BobbisAngel~

First let me say how very sorry I am for the loss of your daughter. I'm 25, have no children and therefore have no idea how it must feel to lose a child.

Second let me also say that I hope Amanda's abductor is caught and brought to justice and I feel exactly the same way if it were to be Bryan. If he is the one responsible, I hope he gets caught and justice is served. However, I do not, for one second, think that he did it.

As far as the red car goes; Amanda had contacted Bryan earlier in the week that week. He hadn't gotten around to calling her back for one reason or another. I think he would've called her back though, because he hadn't been ignoring her at all. They were in contact with one another; not a lot, not often, but when she called he either talked to her or called her back. This particular time she called on Tuesday or Wednesday (don't remember when it was exactly) and he hadn't responded by the time the weekend rolled around.

When the people in the red car showed up, it was brief. He figured that they were friends of hers who were upset that he hadn't called her back and had come to tell him to quit avoiding her and all that. He didn't give them any information at all, I think he told them that it wasn't their business but he did call her to ask who they were and to find out what she wanted. At which time she apparently said she knew no one fitting that description. I said he should've gotten a license plate number, but of course at the time, no one was missing, and he thought they were her friends so he didn't think of doing anything like that. And that is the extent of my knowledge on the red car. I wish I would've been at the farm that day when they stopped by. I don't know if I would've noticed anything but there's always that possibility.

And all I know is that he adamantly says the baby could not be his. I've thought the same thing, that she must have some reason for thinking that he's the father. I mean, I'm sure she didn't just pick a guy out of the crowd and say 'I'm gonna say he's my baby's father'.

My own personal theory on that (not the opinion of anyone but myself, keep in mind) is that he was having some relationship problems, Stephanie didn't go to the party with him, he was down because of their problems and so he had a couple of drinks. He is not a drinker and while he's a large man, perhaps he had enough to drink that he doesn't remember sleepign with her...? I don't know. He's never said 'I don't think the baby is mine' it's always been 'There's no way the baby is mine'. I don't know...I wasn't at the party that night, so I dont' know what happen. But for some reason Bryan thinks there's no way the baby was his and I highly doubt that it was just denial...

I'll always think that someone else came along to the Civic Center and picked her up. Her friends knew she was meeting him (at least that's what I've understood) so maybe someone else did as well. I don't know about that either. Though I still think the people in the red car are fishy. I'd love to know who they were and what they knew about both Bryan and Amanda and the whole situation. They obviously knew enough to find Bryan's house and discuss Amanda with him. I honestly believe that they're a big missing puzzle piece.

The three hour time gap. Bryan didn't leave the Civic Center; he and Amanda met and chatted, he then went inside the center to do some work around there. When he came back out she was still there in the parking lot. However, I don't think it's *still* there, I think she left and came back. Two reasons why I think that; one, the car was parked in a different place so she obviously moved it and why would she just move from one parking space to another. And two, what sence would it make to sit in a parking lot doing nothing for three hours?

Perhaps she didn't get the response she wanted from Bryan and after their conversation she went somewhere to cheer herself up before going home. Then perhaps she saw his truck still at the Civic Center on her way home so she then stopped there again.

Bryan didn't talk to her again after he went into the Civic Center, when he came out he knew her car was moved but I don't know how close to it he was when he came out or anything like that. He said it *looked like* she was on the phone. Apparently her cell records indicate otherwise.

He probably should've went back over to talk to her again, but he didn't. Maybe if he had she would still be here today...but like the incident with the red car; at the time he didn't know he was going to be the last person to see her. He figured she was on her way home in a little bit and life would go on as usual.

Bryan did talk to the family a few times the day she disappeared and a few other times in the days that followed. He also offered money to help with the search, I'm not sure if the family ever took him up on that offer or not.

Bryan agreed to everything the police asked of him, I've never asked him if he took a polygraph...I imagine that he has. I've seen rumors floating around that he and Stephanie refused to take them, I know that neither of them refused anything the police requested.

The baby name thing; Bryan never said that she said anything about it and I don't know her, so I don't know about that. I think that most people here (who don't know Bryan or Stephanie) think that it looks mighty suspicious for him. My mom thinks the notion that Stephanie could be involved is insane. And I've talked to a few people who know Bryan from school and they don't think he's involved.

The popular theory amongst those of us who don't think he's involved is that someone else picked her up from the Civic Center after he left.

Ok, I think I answered all your questions to the best of my ability. If I missed any, just point it out and I'll answer. Or if you have any other questions, I'll be happy to tell you what I know.

[Parker]

Originally posted by Samantha


I am not Stephanie nor am I delusional.

I think you all need to get off your high horses. What are you doing to help Amanda? Sitting in your living rooms condemning a man via a message board on the internet. You think this is helping to find her?

And then you all have the nerve to attack me simply because I'm friends with Bryan and Stephanie? Give me a break. I've had more rational, intelligent conversation on the American Idol message board than here.

And who are you, Justin's mom, to question Bryan or Stephanies faith and to say who and what they are or are not praying for?

Most everyone I've had the displeasure of corresponding with on here make me sick. You claim to be trying to help Amanda, but you're not. And as a matter of fact, for those of you who live states and states away I don't even think this is real to you anymore. It's all about conspiracy theories and damnation. Then you hide behind the statement 'We're trying to help Amanda'. You're not. All these messages saying that Bryan should rot in hell and that Stephanie is an evil jealous ***** aren't helping anyone. Not Amanda, not her baby, not anyone. Keep that in mind, all of you.

Such a closed-minded person, Samantha...you have no idea what most of the people on this board do in their spare time nor do you understand why most of us are here. My friend was murdered when we were both 15...her and the little one she was babysitting. Many of these posters either have missing children or have lost a loved one or friend to senseless murder.

I am from St. Louis and I know many people back home that have been watching this case for me - actively participated in the search for me since I could not fly back home.

I have personally called the St. Louis Post Dispatch and local broadcast and print media to get coverage for Amanda. I also emailed Nancy Grace in the beginning and continue to do so to bring coverage to Amanda and her family. I also volunteer for many victims rights and missing people organizations in my spare time on top of my demanding 50-hour-a-week job while I'm raising a toddler...so stop saying we are all sitting on a @#$@# couch!!!

You are awfully defensive my dear....

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Parker


Such a closed-minded person, Samantha...you have no idea what most of the people on this board do in their spare time nor do you understand why most of us are here. My friend was murdered when we were both 15...her and the little one she was babysitting. Many of these posters either have missing children or have lost a loved one or friend to senseless murder.

I am from St. Louis and I know many people back home that have been watching this case for me - actively participated in the search for me since I could not fly back home.

I have personally called the St. Louis Post Dispatch and local broadcast and print media to get coverage for Amanda. I also emailed Nancy Grace in the beginning and continue to do so to bring coverage to Amanda and her family. I also volunteer for many victims rights and missing people organizations in my spare time on top of my demanding 50-hour-a-week job while I'm raising a toddler...so stop saying we are all sitting on a @#$@# couch!!!

You are awfully defensive my dear....

I'm only defensive because my original, very unoffensive, comments were met with such hostility.

And that comment wasn't even directed at you. It was a generalization, if you're doing all these things, then good for you. But I'd put money on the fact that most people probably don't.

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by EricsGirl


I've read this whole thread and this looks like where the ugliness started.

If you don't believe this poster or don't care what they say, why are you reading her post?

Ya'll started ragging on her like a pack of rabid dogs.

You start making accusations and telling her to to go find out why her 'so called' friends killed this girl? And accuse her of being one of them? I'd be defensive as he11 too!


Now, back to Amanda, it's very possible Brian did kill her. But, didn't her mother say that she didn't know who the father was? That she just 'thought' it might be Bryan but could have been one of 3 men?

Why would he contact her out of the blue if she wasn't expecting him to be involved with the child?

There is a lot about this story that puzzles me. But, IMO, Bryan is the most likely candidate.

IMO of course.

eg,

Your perception of my posts is different than my re reads and Samantha's answers... See how passion can get out of hand?....
No one ever mentioned Samantha having involvement in Amanda's disappearance ever.....


BUT>>>>>>>>>

This is yesterdays news, its over.

We are on 2 realy different sides of the fence and its human nature ( probably for both of us) to show our beliefs in a very strong manner which got out of hand.

Time to move forward, not point fingers or Coldwater may choose to take action. No one wants that

Based on what you've read, you are also of the opinion that Bryan is suspect.
I never saw anything about the baby being 1 of 3 men, if this is something said, its different than what I have heard.

It would be strange for someone to call out of the blue
Maybe Bryan mentioned something

But I did gather from her that what was said to the police is the same thing she knows

[Samantha]

Originally posted by EricsGirl


I've read this whole thread and this looks like where the ugliness started.

If you don't believe this poster or don't care what they say, why are you reading her post?

Ya'll started ragging on her like a pack of rabid dogs.

You start making accusations and telling her to to go find out why her 'so called' friends killed this girl? And accuse her of being one of them? I'd be defensive as he11 too!


Now, back to Amanda, it's very possible Brian did kill her. But, didn't her mother say that she didn't know who the father was? That she just 'thought' it might be Bryan but could have been one of 3 men?

Why would he contact her out of the blue if she wasn't expecting him to be involved with the child?

There is a lot about this story that puzzles me. But, IMO, Bryan is the most likely candidate.

IMO of course.

Thank you. I really didn't come on here just to try and stir up trouble. And I could've just ignored the comments requesting 'If anyone knows the girlfriend, could you tell us about her' but I didn't. I simply wanted to tell everyone what Bryan and Stephanie are like and answer any questions that people had that I had an answer for. I started out to be helpful and was really surprised at the hostility that met me after my first post.

Apparently her mother *has* admitted that Amanda wasn't certain Bryan was the father. But Amanda's father still says Bryan was the only one it could've been. I'm not sure if that's still what they're each saying. To me that always seemed like a case of the father not wanting to admit his little girl wasn't sure who the father of her baby was and the mother realizing that they needed to say what they knew and that was that she wasn't 100% sure.

IMO there are just a couple of missing peices to this story and I think they're big ones. The couple in the red car, IMO, is the biggest one. Who were they? What did they want? How did they know (or know of) Amand and Bryan? Also, where Amanda went while Bryan was in the Civic Center working. Who did she see? What did she do? These may not be important things, but they could be.

I don't know what happen to Amanda but I don't think Bryan did anything to her, as we all know.

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Justins Mom


eg,

Your perception of my posts is different than my re reads and Samantha's answers... See how passion can get out of hand?....
No one ever mentioned Samantha having involvement in Amanda's disappearance ever.....


BUT>>>>>>>>>

This is yesterdays news, its over.

We are on 2 realy different sides of the fence and its human nature ( probably for both of us) to show our beliefs in a very strong manner which got out of hand.

Time to move forward, not point fingers or Coldwater may choose to take action. No one wants that

Based on what you've read, you are also of the opinion that Bryan is suspect.
I never saw anything about the baby being 1 of 3 men, if this is something said, its different than what I have heard.

It would be strange for someone to call out of the blue
Maybe Bryan mentioned something

But I did gather from her that what was said to the police is the same thing she knows

I took the comment about 'Where is Amanda' to mean that whoever posted that thought I had something to do with her disappearance. Anyway...

Yeah, I heard on the news and read on another message board about Bryan being one of two or three men who could be the father.

It would be strange for someone to call out of the blue Maybe Bryan mentioned something

Who do you mean when you say they called out of the blue?

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by Samantha


I took the comment about 'Where is Amanda' to mean that whoever posted that thought I had something to do with her disappearance. Anyway...

Yeah, I heard on the news and read on another message board about Bryan being one of two or three men who could be the father.

It would be strange for someone to call out of the blue Maybe Bryan mentioned something

Who do you mean when you say they called out of the blue?


My understanding is He called her to discuss the baby when he has had no contact with her hence "out of the blue"

Can you tell us if there was ongoing contact throughout the pregnancy?

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Justins Mom



My understanding is He called her to discuss the baby when he has had no contact with her hence "out of the blue"

Can you tell us if there was ongoing contact throughout the pregnancy?

There was some minimal contact. I don't know what they talked about or how often, but often enough that I, personally, don't consider the contact the week of her disappearance as completely out of left field. They didn't talk every day, or once a week or anything like that. But like I said, I don't consider it completely odd that she called him that week as she was due to deliver within a week or so.

[Samantha]

Originally posted by EricsGirl


I think that JM was responding to a question in my post. When I asked why would she call out of the blue if she didn't expect him to be part of the baby's life.

I just don't see that anyone else had a motive to hurt her though?? :shrug:

:shrug:

Maybe there was no motive. Maybe the motive was simply that she was a pregnant. If people are going to believe the psychic who says the baby is still alive and she is not, then perhaps she was kidnapped simply for the baby. Dunno.

[Samantha]

Originally posted by EricsGirl
Anyone know about her relationship with her first husband? The father of her little girl? Were they on good terms?


One thing that reallllllly bothers me is that supposedly she was outside THREE HOURS LATER STILL ON THE PHONE?


She was due any day. Why wasn't he concerned enough to walk over to the car and see why seh was still there, if indeed this is the truth?

Bryan said it looked like she was on the phone when he saw her again three hours later. It's pretty apparent to me that she left the Civic Center and then went back again. I believe I mentioned this theory in my reply to bobbisangel. That she chatted with Bryan and then went somewhere, perhaps to cheer herself after not hearing what she wanted from Bryan and then on her way home saw his truck so she stopped back by the Civic Center.

I don't think Bryan ever thought she sat out there for three hours talking on the phone. Her car had been moved so it just makes sense that she went somewhere and came back.

And yeah, she was due any day but she was obviously not having car trouble or she would've gotten out when she saw Bryan and asked for help, she had a cell phone with her and he had no idea that that was going to be the last time anyone saw her. So I'm sure he thought nothing of it. Maybe he should've, and as I said to someone else, had he just gone over and talked to her again maybe she would still be here today. ::sigh::

[Leanne Weich]

Samantha

I am sorry for the attitude I took toward you in my initial post. It is very difficult when you follow cases for ages and someone then comes onto a message board all gung ho and basically disputing anyone else's opinions out of hand. As many have said, every kidnapper/murderer have their defenders. Hell, even Ted Bundy had people who said he could never have done what he was accused of. Even Ann Rule was hoodwinked by him.

You yourself admit it doesn't look great for Bryan.

Justin's mom

Thanks for your support. It is greatly appreciated.

AND I will post a :rose: for Amanda and her baby boy.

[Samantha]

Originally posted by Leanne Weich
Samantha

I am sorry for the attitude I took toward you in my initial post. It is very difficult when you follow cases for ages and someone then comes onto a message board all gung ho and basically disputing anyone else's opinions out of hand. As many have said, every kidnapper/murderer have their defenders. Hell, even Ted Bundy had people who said he could never have done what he was accused of. Even Ann Rule was hoodwinked by him.

You yourself admit it doesn't look great for Bryan.

Justin's mom

Thanks for your support. It is greatly appreciated.

AND I will post a :rose: for Amanda and her baby boy.

Leanne

I knew when I decided to post here that there was a good chance my opinions and thoughts about the case and Bryan and Stephanie would not be met with acceptance. I thought about it for a few days before ultimately deciding that I had to say something in their defense. Besides the fact that people were asking questions; some of which I had answers to.

I know how the case looks...but as I've said before; this is more than a case to me. Stephanie and Bryan aren't faceless (or grainy pictures) names from the news. I've spent a lot of time with both of these people, talking, laughing, sometimes crying. I've gone on trips with them and had BBQ's with them.

They are my friends, two dear friends who have looked me in the eye and said with all the sincerety in the world 'I dont' know what happen to Amanda'. So what am I supposed to do? Abandon the fact that they've been my friends for years and jump onto a bandwagon of conspiracy and hate that is based on nothing more than the fact that he was the last one to see her?

I mean, I do know how it looks to everyone else and the fact there are no other suspects makes it look even worse. If I didn't know them I would most likely say he probably did it as well.

But I, personally, cannot forget about years of friendship, call my friends liars and believe something that has no basis in concrete facts.

I, too, am sorry for the way I became so defensive. It was not my intention to come onto this board and raise ire amongst anyone. I just wanted to share what I knew. I think the reason I allowed myself to get so heated so quickly is because I had spent a few days reading through the posts on here, each one getting worse and worse toward Bryan that by the time I finally did post I kind of felt as though each of those posts about Bryan was an attack on me as well. Silly, perhaps, but I think that's why I let my emotions get so out of hand so quickly. And I do apologize for that.

[Leanne Weich]

Samantha,

Believe it or not, I do understand how you must feel. I am a very loyal person to my friends too and hope I'm never in your shoes.

I really hope, for your sake, that Bryan is not the guilty party because, if he is, you are going to have a hell of a hard road to walk knowing all that has transpired.

Unfortunately, your posts have not changed my mind about this case but that is not your fault. To be honest, even if Bryan came here and answered all our questions, I doubt my mind would be changed. IUPG is a concept I'm well aware of and, thankfully, that doesn't apply on this message board.

I hope we can just agree to disagree and let bygones be just that.

[BobbisAngel]

Samatha,

Thanks so much for answering my questions. I really appreciate that. I can understand your loyalty to your friends and especially since you have known them both for years. I would feel the same way about my long time friends.

The daughter of one of my long time friends accused my friend...the mother... of molesting her when she was a baby. The mother told me about this and it totally blew me away. I know that it never happened. I've known the parents since before the daughter was born. This didn't come up until the girl was married with two children of her own. She didn't speak to her mother for a couple years. I would have had to have forensic proof before I would have ever believed she would do something like that. As it turns out...she didn't. I don't know why the daughter ever thought that but it didn't happen and she knows that now and her mom is such a forgiving person that they just put it in the past and have a good relationship again. I don't know if I could have let something like that go so quickly! It would kill me if one of my kids had ever accused me of doing something so ugly and disgusting. Anyway, I can understand your loyality.

Getting my questions answered has helped. If Amanda really wasn't sure who the dad was she was foolish to blame it on one person. Like I said...all Bryan would have had to do was wait for the baby to be born and then do the DNA test. I can also understand Amanda's dad not wanting to admit that his daughter might have messed around a little bit. It doesn't make her a bad person though. Pretty normal in this day and age I would think for a lot of young people. But there is just something about daddy's and their girls.

I sure wish we could find out something about that red car and those people. Seems like they just came out of the blue. If they really knew Amanda they would have known where she lived. How did they even connect Bryan and Amanda? It is just so strange. Neither of them knew those people.

I would think that there was the possibility that maybe when Amanda left the civic center she might have gone to grab something to eat or drink and contacted someone to meet her back at the center BUT she didn't use her phone. I can't see her using a pay phone when she had a cell phone. So why would she have gone back there and just sat there if she wasn't waiting for someone or maybe she was waiting for Bryan to come out.

Was Amanda still there when Bryan left to go home or was her car empty? If she was still there did he just go get in his vehicle and drive off? Seems like he would have asked her what she was doing or if she was having trouble or something espcially if she was sitting there alone. Curiosity would have made me walk over there and ask.

Are there houses around the civic center? Is the road well traveled? It just seems that someone should have seen something. I wonder if LE has talked to anyone else that could have been the baby's father...the other two guys? I had never heard that it could be one of three guys baby.

Anyway, thanks again for answering my questions. I'm just trying to figure this out and it is one big puzzle.

[ferretplay]

With due respect to Samantha.Your average one time killer has friends,family or neighbors that say,they would never have believed.
“Why, he was the nicest boy in Wolcott,” a stunned neighbor told a newspaper reporter at the time, referring to the northwestern Wyandotte County town where the Andrews family lived.
whhttp://www2.ljworld.com/news/2005/nov/28/crime_all_time/?


"I hear readers telling me, 'I know that Crippen killed that woman, and I know he is a nice guy. I know that Marconi developed wireless but he wasn't that nice of a guy.' I like that effect," Larson said.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070418/LIFE/704180353/1039/LIFE

I could keep listing these quotes,murders & links.
If Brian denied being able to be the father of the baby,why did he even talk to Amanda at all ?
The story about the red car is unbelieveable to me.The story does not make sense.Brian is the only one to know anything about this red car couple & mentions this to Amanda right before he meets her at the center.Then she conveniently disappears from there.
If there was a setup.I believe Brian did the setting up.JMHO





































:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[Parker]

:rose: For Amanda
:rose: For Hayden

We won't forget...

[BobbisAngel]

I wish that we knew what the police know about this case if anything. I would like to know why Bryan agreed to meet with Amanda if he was so sure that the baby didn't belong to him. Why didn't he tell her that the baby wasn't his and to go take a hike? That would make more sense to me.

I believe that he did mention a couple in a red car to Amanda or she wouldn't have mentioned it to her parents. So where did that come from and why bring it up to Amanda? Why would the couple have gone to Bryan's looking for Amanda? That makes no sense either. Was that a motive before Amanda disappeared? It was the couple in the red car?????

I can't see anyone else having a motive for wanting Amanda to disappear. I wish LE would find some evidence. Are they even still doing anything on this case?

[Justins Mom]

And according to ""samantha"", he never told her or anyone anything different
Something is not right and these issues have always raised red flags.
We can only hope for something to break in this case, anything
to shed light on what happened

[MaFitz]

Are there any new updates in this case? Are the police even working it anymore or has it gone officially cold?

[jfehl]

I see all the volunteers in Ohio searching for Jessie Davis on the news and it brings Amanda's story to mind.

For Amanda and Baby :rose:

For her family and friends :rose:

[Parker]

Yes, it is sad that some cases get more attention than others.

I have tried to reinvigorate Amanda's case many times (I grew up not far from where she disappeared) and have emailed local and national media. I get nothing in return - for some reason, Amanda's story was not as appealing (although it has a few similarities).

Amanda had a 4-year-old daughter at the time of her disappearance. The man who fathered the child she was pregnant with (not the 4-yr-old) had a girlfriend and supposedly denied that the baby was his. But, he than calls Amanda the a week or two before her due date and asks to meet her to 'talk about the baby'.....she was never seen again.

Coincidence? IMO, no @#$@# way!

[Snow_Dream]

For Amanda, Hayden, and all those that love them. They will not be forgotten. :rose: :rose: :rose:

[BobbisAngel]

I think about Amanda and her little baby boy often. I would just love to have this case solved and Amanda brought home. I can't imagine the pain that her family lives with day after day and night after night. They were all looking forward to the birth of that baby boy. Then they had to go through the hell of putting away all of Amanda's belongings and all of the baby things just waiting there.

I believe that Bryan murdered Amanda and the baby. I think it either had to do with his determination not to be stuck with support payments or his girlfriend was very displeased over this coming baby and he didn't want to lose her. I believe that LE know that he is responsible but they need the evidence to go along with their suspicions. I hope tht happens one of these days.
God bless Amanda's parents, sister, and her little girl who has to live without her mama.

[txfemale45]

BobbisAngel

I agree, I think it was the combination that made him cause her to dissapear. And LE is waiting for their relationship to sour and one of them will go to police..

[lrobert]

Have you looked at all the cases on here about missing women? How many mothers, or soon-to-be mothers?

My God!

And each one didn't just walk off. Something happened to them.

And by whom?

The husband and/or boyfriend.

It makes me so freakin' sick!

[Justins Mom]

If the girlfriend knows anything I pray she has a heart and tells someone

[Justins Mom]

Baby Hayden should be walking/talking and running around - He would be 2 in August

[MaFitz]

Does anyone have the number for the le in charge of her case? Some of us could call him and find out if they are still investigating the case?

[Parker]

Originally posted by MaFitz
Does anyone have the number for the le in charge of her case? Some of us could call him and find out if they are still investigating the case?


I think the main number is 636-797-5000. I've tried to get somewhere with this and I hit a dead end. If you search my earlier posts...there have been some questions about Bryan's relationship with local LE.

I have a bad feeling that if Stephanie (his girlfriend) does know something and she doesn't come forward; this case may never be solved.

I don't know how people live with themselves....

[Parker]

Just to refresh everyone's memory...

She disappeared on Sunday, Aug. 14, 2005. She was pregnant and her baby was due the following week. She also had a 4 year-old daughter.

She had went to visit the father of the baby who claims the child was not his. The two were not in a relationship. He is the last person known to have seen her alive. That man is Bryan Lee Westfall.

Amanda's parents say Bryan had called Amanda that morning and had asked her to stop by the Civic Center at 1pm in Hillsboro where he worked as a volunteer.

After spending the morning at the Assembly of God Church in Festus, Amanda dropped her daughter off at her parents house and left to meet Westfall.

When Amanda failed to return home, her parents called Westfall. He gave varying accounts on the last time he had seen Amanda. The first was that they had lunch and he left her at 5 p.m. The last story was that they spoke at the civic center and he left her at 2 p.m. He said he drove by at 5 p.m. and she was still there talking on her cell phone, however Amanda's cell phone records would later show that the last time she had spoken on her cell phone was between 1 and 2 pm.

By 9pm Amanda's parents finally called the sheriff's department and reported her missing. Her car was later found, unlocked, at the civic center parking lot.


Police suspect foul play but they say there is no proof of a crime.



:rose: For Amanda, Baby Hayden, and her family

[Justins Mom]

This case has serious red flafs all over it.

If only the case got the attention Jessie Davis 's did

[lorjac]

You know and this is strictly my opinion ~ but if this guy truly believed this was not his child ~ you'd think he'd be doing a HELL of a lot more to clear his name than he is.

He would still show some sort of concern .... make some attempts to help find this woman ... because it's the right thing to do. Not because he has to.

Every one of his actions or lack there of are what make him look guilty. His lack of compassion ~ despite your claims he's such a great guy!!! Whatever. A great guy who sleeps w/a woman and then doesn't even bother to find out for sure if the child is his before walking away, doesn't scream great character to me.

Defend him all you want, cuz that's what friends do. But at the same point ~ friends can be very naive and gullible and defend people when they shouldn't. Nobody wants to believe the worst about someone they care about.... the sad truth is ~ it happens EVERY day. A man kills his wife or wife kills her husband or they kill a child and a friend say 'Oh they were a loving and devoted parent', 'they were a happy family', 'you never saw them argue' .... it's all in your perception or what someone lets you see or know about themselves. NOBODY knows everything about anyone! NOBODY.

[Parker]

Originally posted by Sundown
When will these stupid single mothers stop putting strange men before their children?! Now this little girl has lost both her parents. :flamemad:


Are you kidding me??? Have you even read about this case? Amanda had a one-night stand with Bryan....it was an accident...are you so high and mighty that you have never been in a bad relationship or made a bad decision?? She had NOTHING to do with him until two weeks before the babies dues date when HE called her...she wanted to raise Hayden on her own...

Read the case before you comment!
And...my hats off to you if you are perfect...

[beastieboy]

Well said Parker!!!!!!!!!! :)

For Amanda and baby :rose: :rose:

[lorjac]

While I agree this was not the case HERE.... there are plenty of cases where this is EXACTLY the problem.

I do not believe Amanda was a stupid woman or bad mother..... yeah, she made a mistake ~ but in the end, her 'mistake' as some might call it was a child she had decided to have and raise and love ~ until some fiend took that chance away from her!

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by Sundown
When will these stupid single mothers stop putting strange men before their children?! Now this little girl has lost both her parents. :flamemad:

Not this case. Not at all. Amanda became pregnant on a one night stand and chose life. She aleready was a mom and was ready and willing to love honor and cherish ,,,AND WELCOME baby Hayden into the world.

What happened to that so called friend Brian has that was on the site and then disappeared.

I dont care what anyone thinks - JMO does stand for "Justins Mom's Opinion". This Brian character is doing nothing to clear his name or find Amanda. If he was so sure that the child was not his, why bother to call and meet her out of the blue - SOMETHING IS VEWWWWY SCREWWWY HERE

[Justins Mom]

I'm bumping Amanda's story back to the top.

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by Justins Mom


Not this case. Not at all. Amanda became pregnant on a one night stand and chose life. She aleready was a mom and was ready and willing to love honor and cherish ,,,AND WELCOME baby Hayden into the world.

What happened to that so called friend Brian has that was on the site and then disappeared.

I dont care what anyone thinks - JMO does stand for "Justins Mom's Opinion". This Brian character is doing nothing to clear his name or find Amanda. If he was so sure that the child was not his, why bother to call and meet her out of the blue - SOMETHING IS VEWWWWY SCREWWWY HERE



I so agree with you. I will never understand why he wanted to talk to Amanda in the first place. It's my understanding that she hadn't made or attempted to make any contact with him. She hadn't asked him for anything. She had already gotten all of the baby things...she had a good job and was working right up until her due date.....she didn't need the S.O.B.

He had no reason to meet with her and in my book he is the only one who had a motive to murder Amanda and that little baby boy.
He was the last one with her that day...the last one to talk to her.
I don't believe for one second that she hung around that Civic Center after he left and someone just happened to come along and they kidnapped Amanda...give me a break!

Westfall might not get caught in this life but boy if I were him I would be shaking in my shoes at the thought of meeting my maker face to face because the instant he dies he is going to pay dearly. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes. If he doesn't believe in hell he is in for a huge surprise.

[Justins Mom]

Apparently he is with the same girl he was with when he cheated on Amanda.

I feel - JMO - she knows something -
How she could keep quiet is beyond me unless she fears the same outcome - only if this is the case - I pray not.

Their friend Samantha has not been around in a while. I wonder where she is, I'd like to ask her a few questions........

[PandaBear]

Originally posted by Justins Mom
Apparently he is with the same girl he was with when he cheated on Amanda.




I'm confused. If Amanda got pregnant following a one night stand with him, how was he cheating on her with the other girl?


I'm just trying to understand this whole case.

:rose: For Amanda, Hayden and their family.

[Justins Mom]

Hey PB,

According to a poster who claims to be very close friends with Brian and his girlfriend.

Brian has been dating a girl for 3 years - I assume now longer and he was dating her and """allegedly"""" cheated on her by having a one-night stand with Amanda

Amanda believed the child was Brians - BUt she chose life, and was ready to raise Hayden on her own - no contact with this man, never asked him for anything....

This is how I interpreted the situation.

[MaFitz]

Speaking of which, that was something else that made little sense.

If memory serves correctly, Brian said that he was visited by a mystery couple who went to him to adopt her baby, and then when she met with him that night she had told her parents that they were meeting to discuss the baby.

It has been awhile since we discussed this case at length, so I am sorry if I am remembering incorrectly.

But didn't he claim a couple came to him looking for Amanda for the purpose of adopting her baby? And if so, would it be too far fetched that he could have killed her and taken the baby and maybe made some money off of the sale of the baby? Or am I remembering completely wrong?

It is clear from everyone that was close to Amanda that she had no intention of giving her baby up to anyone.

[Justins Mom]

I'd have to go back to the Amanda archives of this thread but if the baby were NOT HIS as he so vehemtley claims, why would he be trying to find a home for the baby?

I NEVER got the impression Amanda ever thought of giving Hayden up for adoption - EVER. In fact, I have no Idea why he would wantto talk to her out of the blue about the baby. I have heard that this call was out of the blue an dnot an ongoing thing.

He cared nothing for Amanda and Hayden and I highly doubt he wanted to be in Haydens life

I do wonder if she thought she was going to work something out so Brian could be in Haydens life even if Brian was not in Amanda's life.

Hayden would be 2 years old in about 6 weeks. He'd be running, laughing, playing , talking and a wonderful Beautiful boy.

I still wish that Samantha would come backk to the boards - if she was really a friend of Brians. She so zealously defended him, yet, she never brought him here

Somehow I still think ( JMO - Justins Mom's Opinion) that anyone who is a real friend of this man would not come to the boards

The friends only know what the poi wants them to know and are devout believers in thie friend.

They wont come here. If they do, I'd like to speak to them.......

Prayers for Amanda and Hayden

J-Mom :patriot:

[BobbisAngel]

Bryan told Amanda that a couple in a red car stopped at his house and said they were looking for Amanda. He described the car and the couple to her and she didn't know anyone of those descriptions. He didn't mention them asking about the baby.

No one ever knew what that was all about. Why would some couple in a red car stop at his house to look for Amanda? What made them think that he would know where Amanda was? It makes no sense any way you look at it. I just wonder what was up his sleeve telling her that. Anyone that knew Amanda would have known that her and Bryan had a one night stand and that was it. They would have known that she said the baby was his but he denied it. They would have know that she had had no contact with him.

I still wonder why that girlfriend of his hired an attorney right away. That makes no sense either. What was she afraid of anyway? Was she with Bryan when he met with Amanda?

Bryan told to many different storys when he was questioned. If you are innocent you tell one story and it always stays the same.
To bad he didn't take a poly. Probably afraid the truth would come out if he took one. I wish they could make people take one.

[BobbisAngel]

Bryan told Amanda that a couple in a red car stopped at his house and said they were looking for Amanda. He described the car and the couple to her and she didn't know anyone of those descriptions. He didn't mention them asking about the baby.

No one ever knew what that was all about. Why would some couple in a red car stop at his house to look for Amanda? What made them think that he would know where Amanda was? It makes no sense any way you look at it. I just wonder what was up his sleeve telling her that. Anyone that knew Amanda would have known that her and Bryan had a one night stand and that was it. They would have known that she said the baby was his but he denied it. They would have know that she had had no contact with him.

I still wonder why that girlfriend of his hired an attorney right away. That makes no sense either. What was she afraid of anyway? Was she with Bryan when he met with Amanda?

Bryan told to many different storys when he was questioned. If you are innocent you tell one story and it always stays the same.
To bad he didn't take a poly. Probably afraid the truth would come out if he took one. I wish they could make people take one.

[Justins Mom]

THE TRUTH W-I-L-L COME OUT!!!
It's just a matter of when.

Almost 2 years have gone by and no sign of Amanda or Hayden
The case gets next to no attention and this man with 1000 different stories is just.... out there

I pray for a break.... I really do

[UM&AMWfan]

Originally posted by Justins Mom
THE TRUTH W-I-L-L COME OUT!!!
It's just a matter of when.

Almost 2 years have gone by and no sign of Amanda or Hayden
The case gets next to no attention and this man with 1000 different stories is just.... out there

I pray for a break.... I really do

Amanda's case is very similar to Laci Petersen yet Laci Petersen was a household word in America and hardly anyone knows who Amanda is. Why is that??

The answer is pretty obvious.

[Justins Mom]

Pretty sad if you ask me.

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by UM&AMWfan


Amanda's case is very similar to Laci Petersen yet Laci Petersen was a household word in America and hardly anyone knows who Amanda is. Why is that??

The answer is pretty obvious.


It really is a shame that some get so much attention and others get hardly any. Amanda's life was just as precious as Laci's life and all of the others who have gotten so much media. Her baby was just as precious to Amanda's family. I know Nancy Grace had Amanda's story and her parents on once and that was it as far as I remember. Her parents and sister are hurting just as much as the other female's families.

Maybe the outcome of this case would have been different if the media had given it more attention naming who she was last with.
The media can put a lot of pressure on LE and on the person of interest. Pretty darn sad.

[txfemale45]

The media and LE should give all the missing the same amount of attention.

I like Nancy Grace but she and others in the same job could cover more cases in the hour than one case and talk about the information and show the news clips over and over....

[lorjac]

I agree, every woman/child/man who is missing deserves the same amount of attention and media coverage.... maybe if that were to happen, this might not be such a common thing. Which sadly enough every freaking week..... someone else loses their life so senselessly.

I couldn't even watch NG anymore during the whole Natalee Holloway thing.... just because her mother irked me so.... and all I could think was "SHE IS NOT THE ONLY MISSING CHILD IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW!!!".

The worst part of these stories is when these families have no closure. What do the parents tell her oldest child when she asks where mommy is???? All they can say is they don't know.... and might never.

[UM&AMWfan]

Originally posted by BobbisAngel



It really is a shame that some get so much attention and others get hardly any. Amanda's life was just as precious as Laci's life and all of the others who have gotten so much media. Her baby was just as precious to Amanda's family. I know Nancy Grace had Amanda's story and her parents on once and that was it as far as I remember. Her parents and sister are hurting just as much as the other female's families.

Maybe the outcome of this case would have been different if the media had given it more attention naming who she was last with.
The media can put a lot of pressure on LE and on the person of interest. Pretty darn sad.

In an ideal world that should happen but the media is driven by ratings and the bottom line is an attractive women who lots of men will ogle at is going to bigger ratings and draw more viewers that an ordinary or overweight woman.

Name one missing/murdered woman who has gotten huge national coverage and is NOT attractive? You can't.

Unfortunately, that's just human nature.

[Parker]

Bumping for Amanda and Hayden:rose:

I can't believe it has been almost two years....I hope "someone" spills the beans soon. And I know you read this board so SAY SOMETHING already...her family, her daughter, her friends, they have all suffered long enough.

Just think if it was your sister, mother or daughter...wouldn't you want to know?

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by Justins Mom
THE TRUTH W-I-L-L COME OUT!!!
It's just a matter of when.

Almost 2 years have gone by and no sign of Amanda or Hayden
The case gets next to no attention and this man with 1000 different stories is just.... out there

I pray for a break.... I really do


Stop lurking and start talking - you know who you are, looking for us to post more information.
If Brian is your friend, then start asking hard questions

Its not about anyone but Amanda and Hayden

[Parker]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sundown
[B]Sorry, Justin's Mom, but I don't buy that story. A good mother does NOT bar hop when she has young children at home. And IMHO if she has time to bar hop, she has time to spend QUALITY TIME with her existing child(ren). A good mother does NOT get pregnant during a One Night Stand while unmarried. There is no honor in deliberate single parenthood, IMO. She may have chose life, but that life she chose to bring in the world can get pretty expensive. What about work, paying bills, paying medical expenses, groceries, rent. You see, there's more to the story than meets the eye. Don't try to sugarcoat this because she chose life. Sadly, Amanda's killer was most likely some creep she met in her numerous escapades at the local bar. And as a result, her surviving children's lives are ruined. Just my .02.


Clearly Sundown, you have not even read about this case. Amanda was not 'barhopping' -- she was at a holiday party. And, since neither you or I personally know her, I would be careful about labeling her....

What you are saying above is that you are perfect. I'm happy that you have never made any mistakes in your life!

And, by the tone of this email I think you may know Bryan or his lovely girlfriend Stephanie, who according to "Samantha" - another ghost poster here - are 'wonderful people who would never do anything like this...'Yeah, right! How many times have we heard that?

The FACTS of this case are that
1. Brian was the LAST person to see Amanda
2. Amanda had not spoken to Brian since initially letting him know she was pregnant after their encounter and he magically calls a few weeks before her due date and she 'disappears' after meeting with him
3. Brian had a girlfriend at the time he had a one night stand with Amanda - how bout blaming him for something?

No one is going to change my mind - Bryan Westfall is responsible for the disappearance of Amanda Jones - MOO, of course!!

[darcie]

Wowser Sundown. Do you have some links or *proof* to back up your claims? Or are you just blowing?

Even if what you posted was proven to be true, when did it become a-ok, alright, and acceptable to (possible) kidnap and murder a soon to be mother because she barhopped, had children without being married, blah, blah, blah.

You shocked me. But forget it, I see the pattern. You make your rounds.

MOO

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by Parker
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sundown
[B]Sorry, Justin's Mom, but I don't buy that story. A good mother does NOT bar hop when she has young children at home. And IMHO if she has time to bar hop, she has time to spend QUALITY TIME with her existing child(ren). A good mother does NOT get pregnant during a One Night Stand while unmarried. There is no honor in deliberate single parenthood, IMO. She may have chose life, but that life she chose to bring in the world can get pretty expensive. What about work, paying bills, paying medical expenses, groceries, rent. You see, there's more to the story than meets the eye. Don't try to sugarcoat this because she chose life. Sadly, Amanda's killer was most likely some creep she met in her numerous escapades at the local bar. And as a result, her surviving children's lives are ruined. Just my .02.


Clearly Sundown, you have not even read about this case. Amanda was not 'barhopping' -- she was at a holiday party. And, since neither you or I personally know her, I would be careful about labeling her....

What you are saying above is that you are perfect. I'm happy that you have never made any mistakes in your life!

And, by the tone of this email I think you may know Bryan or his lovely girlfriend Stephanie, who according to "Samantha" - another ghost poster here - are 'wonderful people who would never do anything like this...'Yeah, right! How many times have we heard that?

The FACTS of this case are that
1. Brian was the LAST person to see Amanda
2. Amanda had not spoken to Brian since initially letting him know she was pregnant after their encounter and he magically calls a few weeks before her due date and she 'disappears' after meeting with him
3. Brian had a girlfriend at the time he had a one night stand with Amanda - how bout blaming him for something?

No one is going to change my mind - Bryan Westfall is responsible for the disappearance of Amanda Jones - MOO, of course!!

thanks as always Parker. Sundown does not have the fax straight Hope your post enlightens....

Sounds like i am being attacked! why, its not haydens fault he was conceived. Amanda loves her 1/2 of hayden and chose to love the other half as well and chose to raise him to the best of her ability as a single parent. Then she became a missing person

Hayden would be 2 years old in August - that is weeks away!!!

What ever happened to Miss Samantha.?

Even though Brian claims a 1 night stand and the child is not his, what is this man doing to find the lovely young lady and clear his name? ( if it is to be cleared -hmmmm) :rolleyes:

He cheated on his girlfriend, had a 1 nighter - so he claims and allegedly contacts Amanda out of the blue?
I assume there was some contact to inform him of her pregnancy.

The facts of the story are much simpler.
Amanda is missing, Hayden too and the other child is missing a mother. Amanda's friends are missing a friend, her parents a daughter and grandchild and we on board are struggling to find answers and get the word out.

With all due respect, No one here should judge Amanda for the choice made. We all know of abstinence, we all know of protection and we all know of aids

Amanda became pregnant, claimed Brian was the father but the fact is that we all have no proof at this time

She & BABY HAYDEN ARE missing. PERIOD
Lets not be harsh on Amanda and her choices, lets pray for her.

I still stand by my beliefs JMO

[ferretplay]

Originally posted by Sundown
Sorry, Justin's Mom, but I don't buy that story. A good mother does NOT bar hop when she has young children at home. And IMHO if she has time to bar hop, she has time to spend QUALITY TIME with her existing child(ren). A good mother does NOT get pregnant during a One Night Stand while unmarried. There is no honor in deliberate single parenthood, IMO. She may have chose life, but that life she chose to bring in the world can get pretty expensive. What about work, paying bills, paying medical expenses, groceries, rent. You see, there's more to the story than meets the eye. Don't try to sugarcoat this because she chose life. Sadly, Amanda's killer was most likely some creep she met in her numerous escapades at the local bar. And as a result, her surviving children's lives are ruined. Just my .02.



:rose:
MOO.Sorry,but this poster needs to add some links for info on Amanda's lifestyle,if they want to bash an innocent victim,:flamemad: No matter,a woman does not deserve to be murdered,no matter of their lifestyle.
About expenses,guess it takes two to tango.
About"Just my .02.",ain't worth it :cuss: .

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by ferretplay

MOO.Sorry,but this poster needs to add some links for info on Amanda's lifestyle,if they want to bash an innocent victim,:flamemad: No matter,a woman does not deserve to be murdered,no matter of their lifestyle.
About expenses,guess it takes two to tango.
About"Just my .02.",ain't worth it :cuss: .

Hey Ferret!

I have never seen any links connecting Amanda to anything but what we all have seen. Sundown may not have read the story and assumed that Amanda may be a premiscious individual who "barhoppped" and placed her own ""lifestyle"" in front of her child.

She percieved my notes about choosing life as sugarcoating a - in her eyes- negatie situation -

Parker reminds everyone that we never had the pleasure of knowing Amanda or her friends, we should not judge.

If Sundown has strong views about one-night stands and single people, another poster suggested that it takes 2 to tango. The man had a girlfriend and cheated on her.

No one knows the circumstances and we should not focus on how or why she became pregnant, she just did.

Amanda could have chosen many routes,from a shotgun wedding:D to adoption but she chose to keep the baby, the baby of a stranger she met one night, to raise.

Sundown is entitled to her/his opinion but should first read the whole thread and supply links to back up her/his claims against me.

I doubt there are any

[ferretplay]

Originally posted by Sundown
ferretplay, the truth sometimes hurts, but hey it's OK. Tell me about Amanda's lifestyle. Where is the father of her 4 year old? Amanda had time to fool around with the boyfriend of another, but no time for her 4 year old?


The truth????????This is a webpage set up for Amanda.I suggest you read what is written there about Amanda & her lifestyle. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=161024125 She also maintained her own home & worked full time.
In MOO,your post sounds pathetic & way too judgemental.Seeing as you provide no proof as to your opinion,I will take it as exactly that.If having children out of wedlock makes a person a barhopping loser,I suggest you read the following
"One in three households in the USA(14.9 million,1995) is headed by a single parent;together these parents care for over 16 million children, or 40% of the children in the country."
http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/single+parent
A one nite stand takes one NIGHT,leaves plenty of time for her 4 year old,as she devoted her life to raising her daughter.
:cuss: What is wrong with you, condemning somebody like Amanda?Are you living in the dark ages????:flamemad:

[Justins Mom]

Sundown, oh Sundown, you can write but not read your own writing. You have strong opinions about Amanda's lifestyle to the point of bashing her as your high and mighty way of life is better than hers or anyone else here. You DO come across this way and there are more than one poster who have pulled exerpts and asked for factual back up rather than your opinion.

You state Amanda was a Bar hopper, Show us the facts.

This is a missing persons forum, not a judgement column. We all make choices in life that others do not approve of, but that is it, they are choices. THERE IS NO SUGAR-COATING OF THE FACT SHE CHOSE life FOR BABY HAYDEN, I BELIEVE IN THIS, bEAUTIFUL PRECIOUS CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE FAULTED OR DISCOUNTED DUE TO PARENTAL ACTIONS.

Amanda was a working mom, that was documented, it does not appear the state was supporting her child. Your statements do come across as an illegitamite child is lesser in the lords -or YOUR eyes than one from a covenanted sacred marriage. Not true - Gods creatures, our children are beautiful. With so many abused children out there - take heed - AMADA WANTED HER 1ST CHILD AND WAS RAISING HER - AMANDA WANTED HAYDEN AND PLANNED TO DO THE SAME.

Can you provide links about child #1 father and anything he may have or not said?

Your entitled to your opinion, but re-read. More than one poster is gleaning exerpts and pointing out to you that your opinions are more than just that. They suggest if we do not agree with your perception of her lifestyle than we are as bad as you percieve Amanda to be. Shame on you. Many of us have been posting here since inception including myself and as any poster can tell you , Justin's mom is one of those who tries to see the positive in all that is not right, not judge people for their actions

Can we get off the bashing and on to finding Amanda?

[Parker]

Originally posted by Justins Mom
Sundown, oh Sundown, you can write but not read your own writing. You have strong opinions about Amanda's lifestyle to the point of bashing her as your high and mighty way of life is better than hers or anyone else here. You DO come across this way and there are more than one poster who have pulled exerpts and asked for factual back up rather than your opinion.

You state Amanda was a Bar hopper, Show us the facts.

This is a missing persons forum, not a judgement column. We all make choices in life that others do not approve of, but that is it, they are choices. THERE IS NO SUGAR-COATING OF THE FACT SHE CHOSE life FOR BABY HAYDEN, I BELIEVE IN THIS, bEAUTIFUL PRECIOUS CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE FAULTED OR DISCOUNTED DUE TO PARENTAL ACTIONS.

Amanda was a working mom, that was documented, it does not appear the state was supporting her child. Your statements do come across as an illegitamite child is lesser in the lords -or YOUR eyes than one from a covenanted sacred marriage. Not true - Gods creatures, our children are beautiful. With so many abused children out there - take heed - AMADA WANTED HER 1ST CHILD AND WAS RAISING HER - AMANDA WANTED HAYDEN AND PLANNED TO DO THE SAME.

Can you provide links about child #1 father and anything he may have or not said?

Your entitled to your opinion, but re-read. More than one poster is gleaning exerpts and pointing out to you that your opinions are more than just that. They suggest if we do not agree with your perception of her lifestyle than we are as bad as you percieve Amanda to be. Shame on you. Many of us have been posting here since inception including myself and as any poster can tell you , Justin's mom is one of those who tries to see the positive in all that is not right, not judge people for their actions

Can we get off the bashing and on to finding Amanda?

Isn't it nice, Justins Mom, that so many people can find fault with someone they do not know! None of what Sundown says is proven or has been stated anywhere else.

ITA! Let's get the focus back on FINDING Amanda and Hayden instead of defaming someone who cannot defend herself.

[darcie]

Well, all I have to say is that I don't care if she is a hooker, a bar hopper, a two timer, a husband stealer....it doesn't make her any less worthy of being found. Sure, anyone can say well she did this or that to cause her demiss, but in the end, it's the killer that caused her demiss.

It all boils down to a few simple facts:

She's a person, a human being, that is missing. She, like all missing human beings deserve to be found. If she is dead, she needs to be brought home. If she is alive, she obviously needs help.

If a person doesn't think that, or doesn't believe that, or doesn't care about that, then just what in the hell is their objective for being here?


I think of Amanda and Hayden often. Hillsboro is only 60 miles or so north of me. Nice, clean, town. And it is rural, and very country...woodsy...hilly.....in other words...lots and lots and lots of places to bury a body. On the plus side, it is highly populated during the fall hunting months. Lots of hunters in the woods. Maybe with a little luck, and lots of God's help....she'll one day be found.

MOO

[Parker]

Originally posted by darcie
Well, all I have to say is that I don't care if she is a hooker, a bar hopper, a two timer, a husband stealer....it doesn't make her any less worthy of being found. Sure, anyone can say well she did this or that to cause her demiss, but in the end, it's the killer that caused her demiss.

It all boils down to a few simple facts:

She's a person, a human being, that is missing. She, like all missing human beings deserve to be found. If she is dead, she needs to be brought home. If she is alive, she obviously needs help.

If a person doesn't think that, or doesn't believe that, or doesn't care about that, then just what in the hell is their objective for being here?


I think of Amanda and Hayden often. Hillsboro is only 60 miles or so north of me. Nice, clean, town. And it is rural, and very country...woodsy...hilly.....in other words...lots and lots and lots of places to bury a body. On the plus side, it is highly populated during the fall hunting months. Lots of hunters in the woods. Maybe with a little luck, and lots of God's help....she'll one day be found.

MOO

Hey there Darcie! I try to keep Amanda's case going as I grew up not far from Pevely... It sounds like you are south...

I called the St. Louis Post Dispatch, I called local broadcast and local papers...it seems as though she has disappeared into thin air...I feel so bad for her family...

If I could - I would fly in myself and start to look for her. I think of them often...

[Justins Mom]

DARCIE & PARKER, YOU GUYS ARE PRECIOUS:)

This case has touched me deeply and I so wish for her to be found.

[darcie]

Wadahoot, I read your post and you made me smile, because it sounds like me. God definitely didn't put me on this earth to judge. People are to be caring and compassionate. If you can't be that on a message board, then why even bother to post? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Anyway......I too wish I could do something to help find Amanda. I drove through there about two weeks ago, and was looking out over the hills and valleys, and thought...amanda?? where are you?

One day. One day I hope we have that answer.

Parker? I am South, small little ole hicktown by Clearwater Lake. I followed Shawn and Ben, Bianca, and there is a girl missing from Fredericktown, (little north of me), she's been missing since 1989, Gina Dawn Brooks.

I am haunted by missing people cases. I just can't fathom a family not knowing where there loved one is. Everyone, no matter what they did, what kind of person they are, they deserve to be buried. I pray for all of them everyday. I wish my prayers wouldn't be needed one day.

Anyway...here is a link to Gina......sad case, with many twists and turns...
Actually, it was the abduction of Gina that opened my eyes to such happenings. I have been following cases ever since.
http://www.bannerkids.org/states/missouri/GINA_DAWN_BROOKS.htm




Amanda, you and your baby boy and little girl are not forgotten.

[Parker]

Originally posted by darcie
Wadahoot, I read your post and you made me smile, because it sounds like me. God definitely didn't put me on this earth to judge. People are to be caring and compassionate. If you can't be that on a message board, then why even bother to post? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Anyway......I too wish I could do something to help find Amanda. I drove through there about two weeks ago, and was looking out over the hills and valleys, and thought...amanda?? where are you?

One day. One day I hope we have that answer.

Parker? I am South, small little ole hicktown by Clearwater Lake. I followed Shawn and Ben, Bianca, and there is a girl missing from Fredericktown, (little north of me), she's been missing since 1989, Gina Dawn Brooks.

I am haunted by missing people cases. I just can't fathom a family not knowing where there loved one is. Everyone, no matter what they did, what kind of person they are, they deserve to be buried. I pray for all of them everyday. I wish my prayers wouldn't be needed one day.

Anyway...here is a link to Gina......sad case, with many twists and turns...
Actually, it was the abduction of Gina that opened my eyes to such happenings. I have been following cases ever since.
http://www.bannerkids.org/states/missouri/GINA_DAWN_BROOKS.htm




Amanda, you and your baby boy and little girl are not forgotten.

OMG...I was still living there when Gina went missing (I grew up in Jefferson County)! I remember this case....my God, there are days when I think 'How do they just disappear...where are all of these people?'

It's a frightening world we live in now...but the more cold cases I see from the 50's and 60's make me think that the problem has always existed...I think the expansion of the population has made it easier for these psychopaths to get around and do their dirty work and it has also given them more victims.

This thing with Amanda really gets me worked up because I started doing some digging with local (MO) friends and relatives and started to figure out that this stinks to high heaven...Bryan has connections through his Civic ties and also his Missouri Cattle Association affiliation. I posted all the terrible theories earlier this year on this thread...

[Justins Mom]

what theories?

[Justins Mom]

After going back through the thread, I began reading what was on line. Nancy Grace had the parents on the show a while back and she mentioned the 4 year old was the child of an ex husband.

I got to thinking that Sundown was critizing Amanda's lifestyle but she was married. Hmmm - Guess you have to read. The Nancy Grace article as printed in CNN.com also stated that Bryan may have approached Amanda about having an abortion but she, like her parents believed abortion is murder.

CNN.COM, back in 2005-Its old but interesting


""""Tonight, in St. Louis, Missouri, Jefferson County sheriff Oliver Glenn Boyer, Hubert and Bertha Propst, parents of Amanda Jones, and, in New York, "Justice" magazine reporter Abby Ellin.

First of all, to Abby, bring us up-to-date, friend.

ABBY ELLIN, "JUSTICE" MAGAZINE: Well, the situation is that Amanda was meeting the father of her baby on August 14th, and she met him for lunch. And after that, she disappeared.

Her parents, who were watching her 4-year-old daughter, called the police at around 6:00 that evening when she didn`t come home. And nobody knows what happened to her.

GRACE: Is it true the boyfriend wanted her to have an abortion, and she did not want one?

ELLIN: You know, I had not been -- I had not heard anything about that. But what I do know is they were not together. They were not a couple. They had had a one-night stand. They`d met last Christmas and then had a one-night stand, and then she got pregnant and had...

GRACE: Everybody, Amanda Jones` due date is this week, between yesterday and tomorrow. This lady, this 26-year-old, is set to give birth to a baby boy. She is a mother. A child is waiting at home for her to come home.

I want to go to Amanda`s parents, Hubert and Bertha Propst. First of all, our prayers and our thoughts are with you. Thank you for being with us.

What can you tell me, sir, about your girl?

HUBERT PROPST, FATHER OF MISSING GIRL, AMANDA JONES: Mandy is a very sweet and loving girl, young lady. This man that is the father of the baby that she is carrying is the father of that baby. Bryan Westfall is the father of the baby. No DNA, but he`s the only one that she`s been with and was with her the day that she disappeared, the last one to see her.

GRACE: Mr. Propst, is it true he did not want to have the baby, and she refused to give up the baby?

H. PROPST: She refused to give up the baby. I heard someone tell me that he did approach her with the idea of an abortion, and my daughter is against abortion 100 percent. She feels the same way as I do. Abortion is murder, any shape, fashion or form. It`s murder, and she said no.

GRACE: Mr. Propst, when did you find out your girl`s missing? I mean, she`s 26. She`s just a baby herself.

H. PROPST: Practically, yes. She got a call from Bryan Westfall that Sunday morning on the 14th. He suggested -- he said a car came to his house, a young couple, lady with short blond hair. The man, he didn`t describe to my daughter, in a red Cavalier.

He said he didn`t know who they were. My daughter didn`t know anyone that drives a red Cavalier. He suggested -- he suggested -- that they meet at the Civic Center at 1:00, because she said it would have to be after church. He said at 1:00 at the Civic Center, and then he would take her to Desoto for lunch and that never occurred.

GRACE: So, Mr. Propst, they never made it?

H. PROPST: She got to the Civic Center, but they didn`t go out to lunch.

GRACE: Now, it`s my understanding -- to Sheriff Oliver Glenn Boyer -- sir, thank you for being with us.

OLIVER GLENN BOYER, SHERIFF, JEFFERSON COUNTY: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: It`s my understanding that he says, this Bryan Westfall says, he left her in the parking lot. Forget about lunch, I guess. He left her -- this is the mother of his baby -- left her in the parking lot talking on a cellphone, correct?

BOYER: That is correct.

GRACE: Have police checked her cellphone records to pinpoint a time or do you believe that`s true?

BOYER: We`ve checked the cellphone records. We haven`t been able to verify that call.

GRACE: Is this guy a person of interest yet?

BOYER: Oh, most certainly. I mean, he was the last person to see her. So it`s a normal course of any investigation. The last person would be the one you key in on first.

GRACE: Sheriff, you guys have set up a task force. What methods are you using to find Amanda? Everybody, Amanda is supposed to give birth this week. She`s a 26-year-old girl.

How are you trying to find her?

BOYER: Well, what we did almost immediately, just simply because of circumstances surrounding her disappearance, her general health, she`s got Graves disease. She`s 8 1/2, almost 9 months pregnant. Very uncharacteristic for her to leave a small child in...

GRACE: Well, sir, I`m just a lawyer. I`m not a mathematician. But if the baby`s due this week, it is nine months.

BOYER: Right. And what we decided to do right off the bat is do a -- similar to a major case task force, trained investigators. And we started from square one, hoping for the best, but also preparing for the worst.

GRACE: I want to go back to Amanda`s mother, Bertha Propst. Ma`am, you must be in so much turmoil. The baby about to come, your daughter missing. What can you tell us about her health, and what did she have on the last time she was seen?

BERTHA PROPST, FATHER OF MISSING GIRL, AMANDA JONES: I can`t describe the turmoil that I`m going through. It`s a pain that I can`t describe.

Amanda was wearing a pink maternity top with the pink and white flowered skirt. She was wearing pink flip-flops and carrying a pink purse. Amanda has Graves disease. And without her medication that -- she has to take this medication in order for her health and also for the baby`s health.

GRACE: Now, the other child, the 4-year-old, she has a good relationship with her ex-husband right? They were married, had the baby, they divorced later. Everything`s fine. He`s got an alibi. He`s out of the picture, right?

B. PROPST: Right. She has a good relationship with her ex-husband.

GRACE: Very quickly, Sheriff Boyer, you did a search of Bryan Westfall`s property and the adjoining property of his parents. Did he consent to that search, or did you have to get a search warrant?

BOYER: Actually, we`ve done two searches. The first search was pretty much a guided tour that his attorney and Mr. Westfall allowed us to do. The second one we done today. That search was a consent search.

GRACE: So both were consent searches?

BOYER: Yes. """""""

[darcie]

Originally posted by Justins Mom
[B*snipped for length*


BOYER: Actually, we`ve done two searches. The first search was pretty much a guided tour that his attorney and Mr. Westfall allowed us to do. The second one we done today. That search was a consent search.

GRACE: So both were consent searches?

BOYER: Yes. """"""" [/B]

All that tells me is Westfall didn't bury her on his property. Sure doesn't take him off the list of suspects. Actually, it pretty well determines, that he is the suspect, and rightly so.

MOO

[Justins Mom]

Tells me they let LE look where they say they can look - How about free reign?

I wonder if that Sundown is that Chick that is Brian's friend?

[darcie]

Could very well be Justin's mom. Or it could be Brian...or his girlfriend.

A nine month pregnant woman AND mother doesn't just run off. If she fell, went into labor, had a stroke, any kind of medical mishap or emergency, she would have been found immediately, or shortly thereafter.

If she was abducted for the baby, I feel pretty strongly that her body would have been found. A person that just killed a woman for the child would be pretty anxious, nervous, uptight, to get the baby and get out. I don't think there would be many pains taken to conceal Amanda.

I believe Amanda and Hayden were both killed, and I believe that the person who did this ahd a personal vendetta.

God forgives, yes, but I don't think he ever forgets. If I was Mr. Westfall, I wouldn't sleep with both eyes closed. It's only obvious to me that he can't keep his story straight, because he has told every story but the truth.



Just my personal opinion!

[Parker]

Darcie and Justins Mom...I agree with both of you! And yes, each time someone shows up on this thread to questions Amanda's character or to defend Bryan and his 'lovely' girlfriend...I have to wonder who is actually posting?

That's ok...I believe that Amanda's family will get answers...and if that man can sleep with both eye's closed then so be it (I hope that if he did what I think he did that he hears Amanda and Hayden crying ever night).

I can't believe that in two weeks it will be two years that have passed since Amanda disappeared.

:rose: For Amanda, Hayden and family

[Justins Mom]

Parker and Darcie and all others, thanks for keeping hope going for Amanda and Hayden. Hayden would be 2 years old in a few weeks, her due date is on our precious "misty" ( lab mix) birthday
Misty will be 15 years ols, which is fantastic for a doggie.

I hope that something breaks in this case as its touched me so.
I always find it so hard to believe that people come on board and shoot her character down.

Hopefully, something comes out of all of this

[Justins Mom]

parker, I see you are a fellow new jerseyite.... Howdy Neighbor

[Parker]

Originally posted by Justins Mom
parker, I see you are a fellow new jerseyite.... Howdy Neighbor

Yep...I'll PM you!

[darcie]

Praying for you Amanda and Hayden. Praying for all the lost, that somehow, someway, they are led home.

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by Parker


Yep...I'll PM you!

Got the PM, couldnt answer you as your box is full, can ya clean it when you get a sec?

[Parker]

Originally posted by Justins Mom


Got the PM, couldnt answer you as your box is full, can ya clean it when you get a sec?

Sorry! I'm all clear now...

[Justins Mom]

found another article I never read before and wanted to share it with you


"Ramblings From The Reservation
Ramblings of a Native American woman ."".
Saturday, April 01, 2006
Has Amanda Jones Been Forgotten?




""Christmas of 2004, 26 year old Amanda Jones from Pevely MO, attended an Eagle Bank X-mas party at the Hillsboro Civic Center. She met 38 year old Bryan Westfall of Hillsboro, MO ph#636-944-5221, the Jefferson County Director for the Missouri Cattlemen's Association. They had a 'one-night stand' which resulted in a pregnancy. By all accounts, Westfall was not happy about the upcoming baby boy(nor was his girlfriend). Which makes him highly suspicious, since he was the last person to EVER see the 9 months pregnant Amanda Jones again.

After not having anything to do with Jones thru-out the entire pregnancy, out of the blue Westfall called Jones on Sunday 8/15/05 and asked her to meet him at the Civic Center, where he was a volunteer. This was based on the pretense of taking her to lunch at a seafood resturant called "Off The Hook" in Desoto MO, to discuss the baby and also to talk to Jones about a couple driving a red car who had contacted Westfall asking him to get in touch with Jones about(?) a possible adoption of the baby. Westfall said he did not know this man and woman.

Jones, a loan administrator at Eagle Bank in Festus MO, was excited about the phone call from Westfall. Earlier in the week before she had left Westfall a voicemail stating she would like to discuss the baby with him. She wanted to talk to Westfall about his involvment in the baby's life as a father. She may have even desired to name the baby after the sperm donor (Westfall) and was going to mention this to him. So, after attending church services with her parents and her 4 year old daughter, she went to meet Westfall.

A half-hour before the meeting with Westfall, Jones stopped at a Walgreens store in Festus. She was seen in videos taken by store surveillance cameras. They record Jones entering the store at 12:27pm. She left the store at 12:35pm. She spent $10.89 on a her Eagle Bank debit card. She purchased a Dr. Pepper, a can of V05 hair spray and a clip used a key ring. Then she apparently went on her way to Hillsboro to meet Westfall. Jones obviously made it to the Civic Center. Her abandoned car was there unlocked. There was no purse, keys or cell phone inside. Westfall volunteered at the Civic Center for about four years. He was employed as a computer instructor at Jefferson College. Westfall's contract was not renewed last May. On the day in question, 8/15/05, Westfall was at the Civic Center doing volunteer work because of a horse show that was held at the center. He admits to talking with Jones in the parking lot for approximately an hour. Westfall said when he last saw Jones, she was sitting in her car, a Blue Pontiac sunfire, talking on her cell phone. But, Jone's phone records show she last used her phone at 1 p.m. when she spoke with a relative. Maybe Westfall cant read a clock.

Jones' was diagnosed with Graves Disease and needs thyroid pills to keep her alive. Furthermore, there was medication prescribed for the unborn baby boy. Jone's home in Pevely, did not appear to be one of a woman who would simply leave on her own. There was an entire bedroom well equipped for an infant. There were even diapers and a sign on the door reading 'Baby Hayden's room.' She had positioned a bassinet in her own bedroom for when she first brought the new baby home from the hospital. Jones's house was full of memories of her high school graduation, her bowling team activities, tons of photos of Dolly Parton whom she adored, and the dolphins she collected. Jones's family said she was hoping to name the child Hayden Lucas Westfall after the man she believed to be the father, Bryan Lee Westfall. Jones, who's favorite color is purple, was also described as a loving and involved mother to her 4 year old daughter. She was due to deliver her baby between 8/21/05-8/27/05. It is obvious, Jones, who is described by all who know her as a shy, kind and good person, did not cut and run, or leave on her own accord.

Westfall did not waste any time lawyering up(he retained Kevin Roberts). Now, I am not saying because someone retains an attorney, they are guilty. Sometimes it is necessary to retain legal counsel if you are indeed innocent of a crime but involved in some way in what could become a criminal investigation. Our judicial system and law enforcement are not without error. But, considering the circumstances, I believe Westfall hired counsel because he has every reason to believe he will eventually be charged with a crime. Westfall has changed his story from not going to lunch, to he took Amanda to lunch, to he last saw her talking on her phone for 3 hours (phone records dispute that statement). Westfall is hiding something, I think it is a murder. He had almost a week to 'prepare' for his meeting with Jones. When he was ready, he called her on that sunday and executed his plan (in my opinion). Law enforcement did at one time consider him a person of interest and searched 2 properties he owned or was connected with, one being a farm. Law Enforcement also obtained some evidence that was sent away for lab analysis, nothing has been heard in regards to the investigation since the property search.

Being a woman who was at 2X in my life 9 months preggers, one of that SIZE does not disappear! I was a big as a barn. Amanda is a decent sized woman, adding her 9 month pregnancy to the equation, she would have been a somewhat formidable presence (any 9 month pregnant woman is!). I feel Westfall did something horrible to her and now it looks as if he might just get away with it.

Jones is 5 feet 8 inches tall weighing about 225 pounds with blue eyes and blonde hair. She has a dolphin tattoo on her upper left torso. If you have any information on her whereabouts, call the Jefferson County sheriff's department at 636-797-5515.""

[darcie]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/EA839588C552EE2A86257336000E26BB?OpenDocument

*snipped from above article*

Tuesday marks the two-year anniversary of the disappearance of the 26-year-old woman. She had gone to the Hillsboro Civic Center to meet Bryan Lee Westfall, the man she believed fathered the child she was about to deliver.


"Like 9/11 is for America, that's how Aug. 14 is for us," said Carrie Johnson, 20, of Desloge, Amanda's younger sister. "Two lives were stolen that day and several lives were changed. Hearts were broken, and a lot of those hearts have not mended at all."



Hearts need answers to heal. praying this family finds the answers they so desperately need.

[Parker]

Unbelievable that it has been two years already...I have always had a nagging suspicion that the person or people responsible for Amanda's disappearance read this board...

So to those people or that person, I ask one thing...even if it is anonymous...please make the phone call or send the letter to LE...please give Amanda, Baby Hayden and Amanda's family the closure they so desperately need and want. Although I would like to see you prosecuted...at this point I just want this family to have an answer...

:rose: For Amanda, Baby Hayden and family...we won't forget...

[Justins Mom]

Parker, and all other posters, continue to post and lets get answers. I suspect that "sundown" and that - whatever her name was were Bryan and stephanie the girlfriend

[BobbisAngel]

I really wish that Nancy Grace had asked the LE person if they took dogs out to Westfall's property. From what I remember there are acres of property between him and his parents. Even if it took a week altogether they should have taken cadavor dogs out there and covered every inch of both propertys. He could have buried Amanda and Hayden anywhere on the propertys.

I see that Bryan's teaching contract wasn't renewed after the murder. Could it be because the college didn't want a killer teaching college age kids??!! I wonder just how much of an in he has with LE and some of the organizations in town. Isn't that a pretty small town? He's the Director of some Cattlemen's Asso?
He probably thinks he is some big deal.

I have come to believe that Byran Westfall's girlfriend was with him when he went to meet Amanda. I think that she hated the thought of him being the father to a baby that he didn't want as much as he did. This baby was conceived during a time when Bryan and his girlfriend had had a fight. Then they went right back together. Can you imagine what she had to say when she discovered that Bryan not only slept with someone else but he got the girl pregnant. I'll bet that went over like a lead balloon.
The girlfriend got an attorney at the same time that Bryan did. If she had been sitting home knitting when he went to meet with Amanda she would have had no need for an attorney. I have never ever heard of a suspect's girlfriend lawyering up if she was wasn't with the suspect! I'd get money that the two of them made darn sure that there would be no baby carrying Westfall's last name or calling him daddy and that he wouldn't be paying support payments for a baby he didn't want anything to do with.
That is my opinion anyway. I think Bryan Westfall and his girlfriend should both be given polys.

I just feel so bad for Amanda's family. I watched them on Nancy Grace and I just wanted to hug them. I just wonder if they were even aware of the resources available to people with missing children. It's a new experience for families and unless someone leads the way they don't have a clue of what to do or who to contact. I wish they had known about Tim Miller and Co. It still isn't to late for them to ask them to come and search for Amanda.

Does anyone know Amanda's parent's address? I have their old one but I remember that they moved to a town close by. I would really like to write to them. We have our daughters in common and they were almost the same age. I would like to suggest that they contact Tim Miller. If someone can find their address for me I would really appreciate it. If so can you email it to me at remembershelley@verizon.net? Thanks so much.

[PNut]

Tomorrow will be 2 years with no answers.

Amanda and Hayden deserve justice!

Amanda's daughter deserves justice!

I fully 100% believe the sperm donor and his gf did something evil to Amanda, and they hold all the answers. So frustrating!

Please God, either let the guilt eat away at these two until they fess up, or let the community start putting the pressure to them, until one of them slips up! :flamemad:

:rose: For Amanda and all of her family

[Parker]

Originally posted by BobbisAngel
I really wish that Nancy Grace had asked the LE person if they took dogs out to Westfall's property. From what I remember there are acres of property between him and his parents. Even if it took a week altogether they should have taken cadavor dogs out there and covered every inch of both propertys. He could have buried Amanda and Hayden anywhere on the propertys.

I see that Bryan's teaching contract wasn't renewed after the murder. Could it be because the college didn't want a killer teaching college age kids??!! I wonder just how much of an in he has with LE and some of the organizations in town. Isn't that a pretty small town? He's the Director of some Cattlemen's Asso?
He probably thinks he is some big deal.

I have come to believe that Byran Westfall's girlfriend was with him when he went to meet Amanda. I think that she hated the thought of him being the father to a baby that he didn't want as much as he did. This baby was conceived during a time when Bryan and his girlfriend had had a fight. Then they went right back together. Can you imagine what she had to say when she discovered that Bryan not only slept with someone else but he got the girl pregnant. I'll bet that went over like a lead balloon.
The girlfriend got an attorney at the same time that Bryan did. If she had been sitting home knitting when he went to meet with Amanda she would have had no need for an attorney. I have never ever heard of a suspect's girlfriend lawyering up if she was wasn't with the suspect! I'd get money that the two of them made darn sure that there would be no baby carrying Westfall's last name or calling him daddy and that he wouldn't be paying support payments for a baby he didn't want anything to do with.
That is my opinion anyway. I think Bryan Westfall and his girlfriend should both be given polys.

I just feel so bad for Amanda's family. I watched them on Nancy Grace and I just wanted to hug them. I just wonder if they were even aware of the resources available to people with missing children. It's a new experience for families and unless someone leads the way they don't have a clue of what to do or who to contact. I wish they had known about Tim Miller and Co. It still isn't to late for them to ask them to come and search for Amanda.

Does anyone know Amanda's parent's address? I have their old one but I remember that they moved to a town close by. I would really like to write to them. We have our daughters in common and they were almost the same age. I would like to suggest that they contact Tim Miller. If someone can find their address for me I would really appreciate it. If so can you email it to me at remembershelley@verizon.net? Thanks so much.

BobbisAngel...I agree with everything you have said...I just cannot believe that a case like this went so cold so fast. I am originally from that area and I have heard through my family and friends back home that Bryan is, indeed, connected. I also find it interesting that his teaching contract was not renewed. Guess we are not the only ones with suspicions, huh?

I try to keep an open mind with many of the cases posted here but I, along with many other posters, believe this is a pretty cut and dry case. Where in the hell could she have gone in that time frame? Obviously she went to meet him...her car was still there...but the magic people in the 'red car' must have appeared and waved their magic wands and POOF - no more Amanda or Baby Hayden. I just don't buy it and I never will...MOO.

I think I may have the new address (I'll PM you later - as you know, not good to post personal info).

I have read your story from previous postings...and as always, I am sorry for your loss but am inspired by your continued strength.

:rose: For BobbisAngel and her daughter
:rose: For Amanda and Baby Hayden

[Parker]

Two years ago today, Amanda Jones, nine months pregnant with Baby Hayden, disappeared. Please keep her family in your thoughts and prayers today.
Thanks...


:rose: For Amanda
:rose: For Baby Hayden
:rose: For Amanda's family and friends who still need answers

[Breazy]

I don't post much on this case but keep up with. It's hard to believe its been two years. I pray that Amanda's family finds the answers they need for closure and I especially pray for now 6-year old daughter who will forever miss her mommy. :rose:

[2lakes]

May her murderer not sleep at night for what he did to Amanda, and her baby.:rose:

My son is 4 years old the same age that Amanda's daughter was when her mommy was taken. My heart breaks for this little girl and how her life will never be the same.

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by Parker
Two years ago today, Amanda Jones, nine months pregnant with Baby Hayden, disappeared. Please keep her family in your thoughts and prayers today.
Thanks...


:rose: For Amanda
:rose: For Baby Hayden
:rose: For Amanda's family and friends who still need answers

may we all have the answers soon
Happy Birthday Hayden

[BobbisAngel]

It seems impossible that two years have gone by since I started
reading about this case. I thought for sure it would be solved right away. When a person stays with a case you get to feel like you know that person. I have that feeling about Amanda.

I hope that Amanda's spirit haunts Bryan and his girlfriend until they have to go to LE and tell what happened. I would have nightmares every night if that was me.

Does anyone know what the email address is to LE in the town that Amanda lived is? Maybe if some of us send emails to LE asking where they are in this case and saying that we have heard that Bryan has connections in town and maybe if they discover that people from all over are watching this case...maybe the will do something. We can't lose anything be emailing.

[Justins Mom]

I was thinking about Amanda the other day and wondersed something. Amanda, per those who are close to the story said that Brian is Hatdens dad, yet, as far as I know, that is hearsay, not fact. Someone like Bryan would kill over hearsay?

She only asked if he wanted to be a part of Haydens life, not hers......

[Justins Mom]

mayor.knobloch@cityofpevely.org <mayor.knobloch@cityofpevely.org>


Email just sent by me

Dear Mayor Knoblauch,

Although I live over 1,000 miles away from your city, myself and many others on Court TV's chat boards have kept a case in your jurisdiction alive.

Amanda Jones, who was 26 years old went missing 2 years ago on 8/15, disappearingwithout a trace.

We are very interested in finding out what is being done to locate her and bring closure to her family.

She is a single mom who allegedly became pregnant oN A "ONE NIGHT STAND" WITH A GENTLEMAN WHO WORKS IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

He allegedly was the last person to have seen her based on information published, when he called he to discuss the baby.

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=235864

Here is the link to many who care about Amanda Jones.

Please let us know if anything is being done in Pevely to find Amanda. We have many people who would assist from all over the country and abroad on line


Sincerely
Enid
AKA Justins Mom ( on the board )

Lets see what happens if anything - I URGE EVERYONE WHO CARES TO WRITE OR COPY THE LETTER AND KEEP SENDING TO THE MAYORS OFFICE. FIND ELECTED OFFICIALS E MAILS AND BOMBARD THEM

KEEP POSTING AND SENDING AND MAYBE WE CAN LIGHT A FIRE UNDER THEIR BACKSIDES AND FIND AMANDA!!!!!!

[Justins Mom]

another store from pevely

"""""Missing Pevely woman leaves many baffled
Aug. 14 will mark second anniversary of Amanda Jones'€™ disappearance
By TERESA RESSEL
Daily Journal Staff Writer
Aug 05, 2007 - 04:04:41 CDT
721 days.

That’s how long it’s been since family and friends have seen or heard from Amanda Jones.

As for the hours, the minutes and the seconds she’s been missing, that is also tracked on a MySpace page.

August 14 will mark the second anniversary of Jones’ disappearance and law enforcement officers are stuck. They still don’t know what happened to the Pevely woman who was 26 years old and nine months pregnant.

A Jefferson County detective said they discuss the case weekly, if not daily, but they “have exhausted all of their resources.”

The family also isn’t giving up. A few weeks ago, family members handed out fliers during the Jefferson County Fair, on the same grounds where her car was discovered that day nearly two years ago, but they got no new leads, according to the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Department.

The detective said they have had a “person of interest” for a long time.

Lt. Tommy Wright, chief of detectives, told the St. Louis Post Dispatch, that they have looked at a person, but the person had hired a lawyer and declined a lie detector or voice analysis test. They are not saying who that person is.

The last known person to have seen her was Bryan Lee Westfall, who her family says was the father of her unborn baby who she planned to name Hayden Lucas.

Her mother, Bertha Propst of Festus, said her daughter received a phone call from Westfall the morning of Aug. 14, 2005, requesting a meeting at 1 p.m. at the Hillsboro Civic Center, where the two had met and he volunteered.

Bertha has said her daughter just wanted to know if Westfall wanted to have anything to do with raising her son.

The divorced mother who worked as a loan administrator at Eagle Bank in Pevely went to Calvary Assembly of God Church in Festus that morning. She was at the church from about 9:30 to noon. She left her then 4-year-old daughter with her parents and stopped in at the Walgreens store in Festus before meeting Westfall at the Hillsboro Civic Center.

Her parents, Bertha and Hubert — who were born and raised in Park Hills — and her friends called Westfall when she didn’t return.

Bertha said they got three stories. The first was that the two had lunch and he left her at 5 p.m. The last story was that they spoke at the civic center and he left her at 2 p.m. He said he drove by at 5 p.m. and she was still there talking on her cell phone.

The Propst family called the sheriff's department at about 9 o'clock that night to report her missing. Later on, her car was found unlocked in the parking lot, with her purse inside.

Police have never called Westfall a suspect and say he worked with police through his attorney. His girlfriend has reportedly talked to police through her attorney, as well. Police have searched the fairgrounds, as well as Westfall's property.

The family believes Westfall knows more than he is sharing with police. They know the last time she used her cell phone was between 1 and 2 p.m. that day.

Lt. Tommy Wright of the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department said investigators can reasonably conclude that at her stage in her pregnancy, she was not going to walk very far. She also suffered from Grave's Disease, a thyroid condition.

Wright has said investigators suspect foul play, but there is no physical evidence to say that a crime has been committed.

Anyone with information is asked to call the department at (636) 797-5000. A $100,000 reward has been offered by a philanthropist from Philadelphia for information that solves the case.

Police describe Jones as 5-foot-8 and about 220 pounds. She has blue eyes, brown hair with blond highlights, and a dolphin tattoo on her left upper torso. She was last seen wearing a pink sleeveless shirt, a pink and white-flowered skirt and pink sandals.

Family members and police are hoping someone will share one last bit of information that will break the case.

A MySpace page — http://www.myspace.com/findingamandajones — was set up earlier this year in hopes of getting more clues about her disappearance. Much of the postings on the Web site offer the family their thoughts and prayers, while others ask for help finding their own loved ones.

The latest tool to gain more information about the case is three large banners that will be posted in the area.""""""""

[Justins Mom]

Dear TERESA RESSEL

Thank you for posting a story on Amanda Jones from your community recently.



Although I live over 1,000 miles away from your city, myself and many others on Court TV's chat boards have kept a case in your jurisdiction alive.

Amanda Jones, who was 26 years old went missing 2 years ago on 8/15, disappearingwithout a trace.

We are very interested in finding out what is being done to locate her and bring closure to her family.

She is a single mom who allegedly became pregnant ON A "ONE NIGHT STAND" WITH A GENTLEMAN WHO WORKS IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

He allegedly was the last person to have seen her based on information published, when he called her to discuss the baby.

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=235864

Here is the link to many who care about Amanda Jones.

Please let us know if anything is being done in Pevely to find Amanda. We have many people who would assist from all over the country and abroad on line


Sincerely
Enid
AKA Justins Mom ( on the board )
Nutley, New Jersey

[nanabillie]

I wrote the Mayor a short email asking for his help. I hope many others do, too. I remember very well when she first was missing and seeing her family on tv. I sure hope they do something to find Amanda.
Prayers and Good Wishes,
Billie:rose:

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by nanabillie
I wrote the Mayor a short email asking for his help. I hope many others do, too. I remember very well when she first was missing and seeing her family on tv. I sure hope they do something to find Amanda.
Prayers and Good Wishes,
Billie:rose:

Nanabillie,

Thanks so much for doing this, I hope if a few others can e mail Mayor Knoblauch and locate elected officials and ask what is being done, that would be great!!!!!

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by nanabillie
I wrote the Mayor a short email asking for his help. I hope many others do, too. I remember very well when she first was missing and seeing her family on tv. I sure hope they do something to find Amanda.
Prayers and Good Wishes,
Billie:rose:


You can count me in.

[BobbisAngel]

Parker, I don't mean to bug you but have you found Amanda's parent's address yet? Thanks

[BobbisAngel]

Parker, I don't mean to bug you but have you found Amanda's parent's address yet? Thanks :)

[Parker]

Will PM you...

[Parker]

BobbisAngel...your PM box is full. I'll try again later...

[Justins Mom]

As an update the reporter from the localpaper in Pevely deleted my message without reading it.....:cuss:

But Mayor Knoblauch or his staffers did open the message and read it

Wouldn't it be great if Mr Mayor or one of his staffers came on and posted? Doubt it but ya never know

Hopefully he would be curious of how some lady in Nutley NJ would know anything about his town and the missing person case his town needs to solve (:rolleyes: )

[BobbisAngel]

Originally posted by Parker
BobbisAngel...your PM box is full. I'll try again later...


Sorry about that. I went in and deleted everything that I could find. I hope I did it right. If I didn't could you please send the address to ....remembershelley@verizon.net? Thanks so Much.

[darcie]

Festus police trying to identify body found in overgrown area.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/54FE1062971ABE098625735300118595?OpenDocument

He said there was no evidence that it might have been the body of Amanda Jones, 26, of Pevely, who has been missing for two years. The clothing on the body did not match the description of clothes worn by Jones when she disappeared Aug. 14, 2005, Lewis said.

[Justins Mom]

Just found the article and was going to post - Thanks Darcie

Thoughts, everyone?

Anyone from the area on board?

[PinkPony]

I'm not good at providing links but you can get local news at kmov.com and ksdk.com. These are two St. Louis news stations.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Police trying to identify decomposed body of woman found in Festus

Police say for certain this is not the body of Amanda Jones, the pregnant woman who disappeared in 2005.

http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov_localnews_070910_festusbody.be528d1a.html

[PinkPony]

Thanks Cury-us:seeya:

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by Cury-us Coyote
Police trying to identify decomposed body of woman found in Festus

Police say for certain this is not the body of Amanda Jones, the pregnant woman who disappeared in 2005.

http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/kmov_localnews_070910_festusbody.be528d1a.html

Who else missing would be near Festus?

[darcie]

Can't think of anybody else that is missing in this area that the age-sex would fit. I live a 70 miles South of Festus, and the only other missing woman is Teresa Butler from Risco. She has a thread here, will see if I can find it. Other than that there is a young girl that has been missing from Fredericktown. But there is no way this is her. I wish it was. That case has nagged me for years.

Will do some checking.

Thoughts with Amanda..........One day we will find you.

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by darcie
Can't think of anybody else that is missing in this area that the age-sex would fit. I live a 70 miles South of Festus, and the only other missing woman is Teresa Butler from Risco. She has a thread here, will see if I can find it. Other than that there is a young girl that has been missing from Fredericktown. But there is no way this is her. I wish it was. That case has nagged me for years.

Will do some checking.

Thoughts with Amanda..........One day we will find you.

I thought of Bianca Piper but she is 2 young
How close is Risco to Festus?

[darcie]

Wow, never even heard about the one you posted kaylynn. I hope this national Database gets put together and running soon. This is crazy. There are so many websites, but none of them list all of the cases. Some people are missing, and no one even knows where to go look when you have things just like this.

Risco is about (this is a rough estimate 150 miles) south of Festus.
Neosho is in Southwest MO...estimating it to be about 200 miles southwest of Festus.

Again, these are rough estimates. I wonder about Illinois though?? Festus isn't to far from The Mississippi River which of course seperates Missouri and Illinois

[nanabillie]

To Justin's Mom,
I hope if I ever need help, you are around. I agree with you totally about Amanda. I have watched and read everything I could since I first saw her parents on Nancy Grace show, I think.
I have been disappointed that there was nothing on the news about her. I was so glad when I found this board so I could find out something about her.
Again, I am sure you will be blessed for being her advocate. Praying she will be found.
Billie:rose:

[Justins Mom]

Hi and welcome back Nanabillie, thank you for your kind words. We all mention that the thread is for facts, not attacks. Most of the time its fine, we just have not heard news of Amanda in so long.

If Sundown has a connection to Amanda, regardless of his/her feelings of the circumstances surrounding single motherdom, then share the facts. We welcome new information and links!!!!

We depend heavily on folks near the Festus/Pevely area to provide us the latest news. We have gotten ideas of the area, the weather, distances to towns where others have gone missing....

We came alive with the miracle of Shawn Hornbecks return home due to Ben Ownby's kidnapping and the eagle eyes of one of the towns fine young men. Again across the state with the remains of the Porter children... How a father could do this is beyond me -

We pulled the thread back with news of a woman whose remains were found in Festus...

We have to keep Amanda's story alive until the day we have the answers.

All through the years we run into news, no news, quiet, glimmer - spark, fire.... Time to find Amanda and get answers !!!!!

JMO - Justins Mom's Opinion :patriot:

[ferretplay]

Hi Justin's Mom,
I tend to believe Sundown is Brian,s girlfriend or the friend of their's,that posted before.
They are obviously trying to blame Amanda.Doesn't wash with me & never will.
By reading about Amanda,I feel she was a very nice person & wonderful mother.It is truly sad when nice people are taken advantage of,abused or murdered.
A sad world when some innocent person can not have a child.


:rose: For Amanda
:rose: For Amanda's family & friends

[Justins Mom]

Hey Ferret!!

If Sundown is Bryans GF, it would explain her misdirected anger and name callling. Her BF cheated on her and was contacted as being the father.

But, some of the things Sundown says shows "'he/she"" is not atuned to the facts that have been acknowledged as being true. They are shot in the dark negatives with no care about Amanda or the baby at all

That is pretty selfish considering that Bryan is alleged to be Haydens daddy

I wish there was a break... a push.... get past the lawyered up and connected people to get to the truth. What happened at the civic center on 8/15/05??????

Hope all is well with you Ferret, Nice cool autumn weather out her in NJ

[Parker]

Originally posted by Sundown


Cry me a river. A child needs both a loving mother and father living under the same roof in order to grow up to be an adjusted and happy adult. One in three households in the USA are headed by a single parent household? Whoopee! Why don't you get out of the rock you live under and see around you - crime committed by today's youth at an alarming rate. 90% or more of those kids have NO father. And you think that's right?

I went away for the weekend and it seems I missed all this....
Nice to see you again, Sundown. As always, you are entitled to your opinion....what would be nice is if you kept your opinions focused on the fact that Amanda and Baby Hayden are missing. As Justin's Mom said. Period. End of story.

Once you take the time to read the case; then perhaps you can have an opinion. There is nothing lower to me than people on this board that choose to pass harsh judgement on people they do not even know. We are not here to pass judgement on VICTIMS...as most poster's on Amanda's board believe (myself included) Bryan Westfall is the ONLY person who knows what happened that day. Period. End of Story. There was not 'red car' - he lied about seeing her on the cell phone( phone records proved that the last call she made was early afteroon) - if he was not the father - or thought he may not be- why call her right before she was about to deliver? Why? And then, even better, she magically disappears after meeting with him.

[darcie]

I always find it odd that people can find excuses for it being "ok" for Amanda, or any other person to be missing. Like a lifestyle means you deserve such a thing to happen. No one deserves to be missing. No one. I guess I will never understand that reasoning, and pray to God that I never do.

Amanda, I wish I could bring you and Hayden home.......
'

[dulcinea]

Originally posted by darcie
I always find it odd that people can find excuses for it being "ok" for Amanda, or any other person to be missing. Like a lifestyle means you deserve such a thing to happen. No one deserves to be missing. No one. I guess I will never understand that reasoning, and pray to God that I never do.

Amanda, I wish I could bring you and Hayden home.......
'

To me it speaks volumes about the character of the person making such statements. Perhaps this is what's wrong with the world. No one cares about each other anymore. Regardless of whether or not you condone one's behavior, no one deserves to have such things happen. Instead of passing judgement, show some compassion. No one in this world is perfect. Show some humanity! To my knowledge, Amanda did not willingly put herself in a dangerous situation where she should have known better. The only thing she is guilty of is being too trusting.

[Justins Mom]

To condemm a person for a one night stand ( becoming pregnant) and to lock the situation in with statistics of crime and negativity because the child would be considered illigitamite is beyond awful.

and downright untrue....

Sundown is entitled to her opinion or even his.....
I agree we should stick to the facts.

I wish we'd get new news.

[adair]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Justins Mom
[B]found another article I never read before and wanted to share it with you


"Ramblings From The Reservation
Ramblings of a Native American woman ."".
Saturday, April 01, 2006
Has Amanda Jones Been Forgotten?


After not having anything to do with Jones thru-out the entire pregnancy, out of the blue Westfall called Jones on Sunday 8/15/05 and asked her to meet him at the Civic Center, where he was a volunteer. This was based on the pretense of taking her to lunch at a seafood resturant called "Off The Hook" in Desoto MO, to discuss the baby and also to talk to Jones about a couple driving a red car who had contacted Westfall asking him to get in touch with Jones about(?) a possible adoption of the baby. Westfall said he did not know this man and woman.


On the day in question, 8/15/05, Westfall was at the Civic Center doing volunteer work because of a horse show that was held at the center. He admits to talking with Jones in the parking lot for approximately an hour. Westfall said when he last saw Jones, she was sitting in her car, a Blue Pontiac sunfire, talking on her cell phone. But, Jone's phone records show she last used her phone at 1 p.m. when she spoke with a relative. Maybe Westfall cant read a clock.



Westfall did not waste any time lawyering up(he retained Kevin Roberts). Now, I am not saying because someone retains an attorney, they are guilty. Sometimes it is necessary to retain legal counsel if you are indeed innocent of a crime but involved in some way in what could become a criminal investigation. Our judicial system and law enforcement are not without error. But, considering the circumstances, I believe Westfall hired counsel because he has every reason to believe he will eventually be charged with a crime. Westfall has changed his story from not going to lunch, to he took Amanda to lunch, to he last saw her talking on her phone for 3 hours (phone records dispute that statement). Westfall is hiding something, I think it is a murder. He had almost a week to 'prepare' for his meeting with Jones. When he was ready, he called her on that sunday and executed his plan (in my opinion). Law enforcement did at one time consider him a person of interest and searched 2 properties he owned or was connected with, one being a farm. Law Enforcement also obtained some evidence that was sent away for lab analysis, nothing has been heard in regards to the investigation since the property search.



QUOTE]

(Snipped with respect)



This just breaks my heart.....I am way behind in posts....but have had a scarey thought.

IIRC Westfall worked with cattle, horses?

Were there any cameras at the place they met?

OK I hate to post things like this.....but there are drugs that are used in animals that can start birth, or if you are not preg, a female could start her period just thru touching this drug. (now I have to go and look for what the name of it ) What if he with the help of others got her some place and induced birth? I want to delete this post............jmo

[MaFitz]

Still hoping and waiting for word on Amanda. I am so glad that at least here on the net Amanda and her baby will not be forgotten.:mad:

[Justins Mom]

Hi Everyone,
We all are hoping to hear something... anything that will give us answers.

[MaFitz]

Bumping for you Amanda. You may be gone, but you are not forgotten.:rose:

[PNut]

Bumping for Amanda.

Can we not get TES to go and look for this poor young lady and her baby??

Of course, I think he's buried her on his/parent's land, so TES couldn't do anymore than local LE I guess. Crap. Some one needs to "lean" on this guy, make him talk. Bamboo sticks under the fingernails, any one? :D

But seriously, how can someone live day to day with the knowledge that they have not only taken the life of a lady, but taken her away from her daughter, and murdered a brand new life? Is there no conscience? No guilt with this people?

Saying a prayer that some thing happens soon for this family!!

[Justins Mom]

Who ever did this has no conciense for anything

[txfemale45]

He told someone and they will talk sooner or later I beleive this case will be solved it will just take awhile....

[Parker]

I agree with you all...just give it some time (no matter how frustrating it may be) and we'll see what happens. I have to fly back to St. Louis for some family business and I am SO tempted to go and look for her myself. (I hope Texas Equusearch is called in...)

Justin's Mom and I have talked about this for awhile...he very well could have put her on the property - or he could've done something worse- I just wish someone would have a heart and give this family some answers.

:rose: For Amanda
:rose: For Baby Hayden
:rose: For Amanda's daughter and family

[MaFitz]

:rose: bumping for Amanda:rose:

[MaFitz]

:rose: Bumping for Amanda:rose:

[nanabillie]

I think of Amanda so often. I pray her family will soon get answers.
:rose:
Billie

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by txfemale45
He told someone and they will talk sooner or later I beleive this case will be solved it will just take awhile.... [/*]

Bet his girl friend knows something....
How can anyone live with this?

[PNut]

I agree Justins mom - I think the gf knows what happened too - may have even been involved.

Can you imagine, not even the guilt, let's put that aside for right now - but can you imagine having to sleep with this guy? I'd be scared to death to turn my back on him!!

If she does know something, she better turn his butt in, or she may be the next vanishing act....

[darcie]

Praying for you Amanda............

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by PNut
I agree Justins mom - I think the gf knows what happened too - may have even been involved.

Can you imagine, not even the guilt, let's put that aside for right now - but can you imagine having to sleep with this guy? I'd be scared to death to turn my back on him!!

If she does know something, she better turn his butt in, or she may be the next vanishing act.... [/*]

Odds are she is still with him and sleeping with him, knowing he cheated ( at least once) and has info on Amanda

If he has the connections some of us think he has - she may be skeered that a similar "something" may happen to her if she speaks out

I read she lawyered up just as fast as ole Bryan.....

[BobbisAngel]

I read that she got an attorney too. I've never been able to understand why she needed one. If she was at home minding her own business when Bryan met with Amanda what would she need an attorney for? I've have never in my long life ever heard of a girlfriend getting an attorney when something had to do with her boyfriend. I would bet money that she knows exactly what happened and she may have even been there. I wish that she was a decent enough person to go to LE and tell them what she knows. I wonder how either of them can live with themselves!

I wish Amanda's parents would contact Tim Miller and Co. and ask them to help find Amanda. It would be worth a try anyway. It just isn't right that she hasn't been found yet and that her family has to live with this nightmare day in and day out. I feel so bad for them.

[Justins Mom]

The above - off Amanda topic poster has been reported to the administrator

[PNut]

Thanks! And don't click on the link - it threw my computer into a tail spin and I was forced to shut down....

Go away troll! :cuss:

[Justins Mom]

came on the Maddie board with a nother nic..."niga and did the tubebender thing there too, only worse.....

[ferretplay]

Now to other posters, I have followed the Naomi Arnette thread from the beginning, it gave me the idea for Amanda's parents to contact Texas Equasearch. They are excellent.
I am off to find info on Amanda's parents. Maybe on her website,if anybody knows how to contact them or get a message to them, will you let me know ? Thank you.
:rose:

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by MaFitz


J.M. How are you doing? Trolls don't tend to come back around (as in Sundown) but Amanda will show up. I will keep bumping her and her baby until they are found.

But you, how are you doing? [/*]

Hi MA!!!!! How are ya! We're doing fine. Took Justin to his friends BD party today. Just took a read on the siter andlearned that Scott Jarvins was found. Prayers to his parents. When will it end?

Good conversation is always welcome. Different opinions too, but the bashing and the inunendos here are pretty rough on a woman who is not here to defend herself.

[darcie]

Thinking of you Amanda............Gone, but not forgotten.

[dirtyfeet]

Originally posted by Justins Mom
Sundown,

What is it about single parenting and fathers who leave that bugs you? [/*]

It should bug everyone, but this thread shouldn't be about that.

[dirtyfeet]

Originally posted by Justins Mom


Shawn Hornbeck was missing for 4 years....., Need we say more!!!
Elizabeth Smart was taken from her bedroom for petes sake and she is back.... [/*]

I'm not here to argue, but if you're going to - use real stats. ES& SH and the very precious few others are anomalies. For each one of those you can find, I can find 1000 that are dead, (prolly 900 by the hand of someone they knew), and another 200 that have not been found after 15-20 years+ of being missing.

The fact is, every minute after a person goes missing is important, because they are usually dead within 4 hours.

[Parker]

Bumping for Amanda and Hayden:rose:

Someday the truth will come out...

[darcie]

Thinking about Amanda and Hayden..............answers, we need answers.

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by dirtyfeet


I'm not here to argue, but if you're going to - use real stats. ES& SH and the very precious few others are anomalies. For each one of those you can find, I can find 1000 that are dead, (prolly 900 by the hand of someone they knew), and another 200 that have not been found after 15-20 years+ of being missing.

The fact is, every minute after a person goes missing is important, because they are usually dead within 4 hours. [/*]

DF, This is not about stats, this is about hoping for a miracle
I cited 2 miracles - One being the wonderful recovery of Shawn and the other for those 2 people who spotted Elizabeth Smart and informed the authorities, leading to her rescue.

True Miracles and this is JMO - Justin's Mom's Opinion....

PS - Maybe you can provide a link...? Re how many are dead in retrospect to alive - Link please so we can all see where your stats come froom...
Thanks, DF

[slaphappy]

Amanda and Hayden are often in my thoughts. Praying for them to be found and real justice to prevail.

[Leanne Weich]

Does anyone recall if TES was ever asked to help search for Amanda and Hayden?

[darcie]

Bumping for Hayden and Amanda....We're thinking about you, and we haven't forgotten!

[txfemale45]

Justins Mom

yes I think the girlfriend will talk when the romance goes south I am just hoping it is soon...

:rose: :rose:

[darcie]

For Amanda and Hayden.....you haven't been forgotten!

[darcie]

I don't know, this might have been previously posted. I just thought I would post it in case it hasn't. It includes a picture of Brian Westfall.

http://warponyramblings.blogspot.com/2006/04/has-amanda-jones-been-forgotten.html

[darcie]

I don't know, this might have been previously posted. I just thought I would post it in case it hasn't. It includes a picture of Brian Westfall.

http://warponyramblings.blogspot.com/2006/04/has-amanda-jones-been-forgotten.html

[slaphappy]

Originally posted by darcie
I don't know, this might have been previously posted. I just thought I would post it in case it hasn't. It includes a picture of Brian Westfall.

http://warponyramblings.blogspot.com/2006/04/has-amanda-jones-been-forgotten.html [/*]



darcie, thanks for posting this. Amanda is often in my thoughts. Hopefully Hayden and his Mommy will come home soon. Prayers for Amanda's family...esp. her daughter.

[Justins Mom]

Its written in details that show the home town style of writing. Wonder if Samantha or Sundown have read it

[PinkPony]

A deer hunter found human remains in West Alton, MO

www.kmov.com/video/topvideo-index.html?nvid=192233

This is north of St. Louis but everytime I hear of something like this I think of Amanda and baby Hayden.

[slaphappy]

Originally posted by PinkPony
A deer hunter found human remains in West Alton, MO

www.kmov.com/video/topvideo-index.html?nvid=192233

This is north of St. Louis but everytime I hear of something like this I think of Amanda and baby Hayden. [/*]


:( PinkPony, I don't know anything about that area....how far away is this from where Amanda went missing? Thank you so much for posting this. I think of Amamnda and Hayden often, also. I 'lurked' and read these message boards for about 2 years before I finally joined. Amanda was always one that I cared deeply about.

:rose: For the family that might actually get some answers about their missing loved one.

[txfemale45]

Does anyone know if Brian and his girlfriend are still together?

If not LE need to get the girlfriend to talk...


Any updates on the remains found?


thanks guys

[darcie]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/15828BE17BD96*0886257392004CEF62?OpenDocument

Update on the remains found. Seems it will be awhile before anything is found out. Seems like the remains were just that. Bones and a skull in a shallow grave.


Praying for You Amanda, and hoping the body found brings some closure to a family somewhere!

[2lakes]

West Alton is about 50 miles north of where Amanda lived but it a straight shot up hwy 55.

[slaphappy]

Originally posted by 2lakes
West Alton is about 50 miles north of where Amanda lived but it a straight shot up hwy 55. [/*]


2lakes, thank you for answering my question.


Praying for Amanda and Hayden.

[PinkPony]

Originally posted by 2lakes
West Alton is about 50 miles north of where Amanda lived but it a straight shot up hwy 55. [/*]

Thanks 2lakes for providing that info. I was tired when I posted last night and just now got back here.

I think of Amanda often and I hope there is news soon.

Even if it isn't her it is someones loved one.:rose:

[darcie]

Here is an updated link on the remains found. It doesn't say much, but for some reason seem to think it might be the bones of a man missing since August.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/laworder/story/15828BE17BD96*0886257392004CEF62?OpenDocument

George Whitter was last seen Aug. 30 leaving the House of Rock bar in south St. Louis with his friend, Randy Greenman, 39. A hunter discovered Greenman's remains in late September not far from a road in a subdivision under construction near Highway A northwest of Festus.

[slaphappy]

:( And yet another holiday has come and gone for Amanda's family. My Thanksgiving was spent with loved ones. Enveloped by warmth, and love, knowing we were all healthy, safe, and accounted for.






I wonder how Westfall's Thanksgiving was? :flamemad:



imo

[5boxersmom]

Every so often I google the names of missing people that are on the thread to see if there are any new updates.Unfortunately I found this.
Amanda's ex husband has died. That poor little girl.:rose:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/jeffersoncounty/story/E94ED0A63253C0888625739D001046D6?OpenDocument

[threesnugbugs]

Originally posted by 5boxersmom
Every so often I google the names of missing people that are on the thread to see if there are any new updates.Unfortunately I found this.
Amanda's ex husband has died. That poor little girl.:rose:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/jeffersoncounty/story/E94ED0A63253C0888625739D001046D6?OpenDocument [/*]

oh, how horrible for her. she has now lost both parents.

[Parker]

OMG...poor little soul! First, her mommy disappears and now her daddy is gone...

:rose: For his family
:rose: For Amanda's Family
:rose: For their daughter