Carrie Culberson [msg. 1996]

[DID I SAY THAT?]

in my hometown, authorities are currently digging up the concrete floor of a garage on a tip that carrie's remains lie beneath. this comes on the day that a memorial was to be dedicated outside the blanchester police dept. in her honor that would remain there until her body was located.

our local news just interviewed carrie's mom who is at the site and anxiously waiting. that poor woman has been needed verification for eight years.

Police Could Be Searching For Carrie Culberson's Body

Police are digging at a Brown County farm, possibly looking for murdered Blanchester woman Carrie Culberson's body.

Although police won't confirm they are looking for Culberson specifically, there have been rumors that Jarrod Messer, who owns the property at 21962 Fayetteville-Blanchester Road, is friends with the family of the man in jail for killing her in 1996.

$10,000 to the memorial, as well as change how village police enforce domestic violence laws.
http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/04/30/body.html

[Kip]

I hope for the family's sake that they do find her.

For those who don't know this case, here's a summary
carrie culberson (http://news.findlaw.com/court_tv/s/20030319/19mar2003165458.html)

[5boxersmom]

My local news just said nothing yet. The reporter said they might stop at 6:00 p.m. And start back up tomorrow.

I just wish they would set up lights and keep going.:mad:

I just read this on the Cincinnati Enquirer website. She went missing the same time I moved to Florida from Milford, a town just a stones throw away from where Carrie lived.

I wonder what has made them suddenly search there?

Prayers & Support for Carrie's Family! I know how hard this is. Kudo's to the Police for doing what is needed to be done.
((((Hugs))) to Carrie's Mother as She stands by and waits.

MissingKaren

[oldshirley]

:rose:

Police Search For Body

Authorities will resume their search Saturday for a body that might be buried under the concrete floor of a storage shed near Blanchester.

Speculation has centered on the possibility that the body being sought is that of a Blanchester woman, 22-year-old Carrie Culberson, who disappeared in 1996.

Authorities had removed about two-thirds of the floor in the 30-foot-by-40-foot structure when they stopped work for the night.

Although the woman's body was never found, her former boyfriend, Vincent Doan, was convicted in 1997 on charges of kidnapping and aggravated murder and is serving a life prison sentence.
http://www.onnnews.com/story.php?record=30072

Please visit Carrie's website:
http://www.findcarrieculberson.com

[oldshirley]

Did I read this right--a cadavor dog picked up her scent?

[ELENDA100]

Originally posted by oldshirley
Did I read this right--a cadavor dog picked up her scent?
That is what it said. I always say trust the dogs nose. I hope they find her.

:rose: For Carrie

[oldshirley]

As sad as it would be, I do hope they find her. :rose:

[DID I SAY THAT?]

will be overseeing the property while the search is abandoned for the night.

years ago this case did another search on private property, but in between announcing it and doing it, a fair amount of time elapsed, enough to remove a body.

i do believe it was that direct action, or lack of, that had ALOT to do will that town's chief of police resigning.

lord, please give carrie's mom closure, she deserves it.

[camracrazy]

Search continuing today (http://www.cincypost.com/2004/05/01/carrie050104.html)

I really hope they find her.

[starling]

:rose:

***Digging to resume Sunday***

Perry Township - After a second day of digging for the remains of 22-year-old Carrie Culberson in rural Brown County, authorities called off the search about 4:30 p.m. today without finding anything. The effort is expected to resume at 9 a.m. Sunday.

A sheriff's official took the family to the site at a pole barn, which is about 150 yards from Fayetteville-Blanchester Road, late this afternoon just before the search was suspended. Debbie Culberson said the site looked like a large mud hole, adding that nothing was found. Culberson said she was disappointed but still hopeful.

"I've waited a lot of these out, and so I can continue. We were hoping today would be the day, but maybe tomorrow," Culberson said.

A police cadaver dog had its strongest hit yet at about 7 a.m. today in the rear of the pole barn, said Dwayne Wenninger, Brown County Sheriff.

Officials obtained a search warrant Wednesday, then started digging Thursday night. Work continued Friday and resumed today.

"You can't be 100 percent positive but with the dog hitting a few times in the same area, we feel confident," Wenninger said.

About 20 relatives and friends, including Carrie's parents Debbie Culberson and Roger Culberson, gathered to watch the work.

This is at least the seventh major search for Carrie's body since she disappeared 7 ½ years ago.

"We are hoping today is going to be the day we can put Carrie to rest," Mrs. Culberson said. "It looks like they have got a lot accomplished today."

Wenninger said the crew plans to dig as much as 12 feet below the pole barn. Most of the cement floor and gravel below it has been removed. Depending on whether anything is found in the dirt, work could continue for days, Wenninger said.
http://www.enquirer.com/midday/05/05022004_News_culberson02web_Late.html

Carrie's Website:
http://www.findcarrieculberson.com

[5boxersmom]

The Brown County Sheriff said on the local news here tonight that the cadaver dog has hit on the same spot in the barn four different times.Sounds like something is there.




:rose:

[oldshirley]

It really does sound like this is the spot. Thank God for dogs.
I hope she's found soon. This HAS to be the longest weekend for this mom. I pray questions are answered very soon. :rose:

Here is the latest. We, Karen Jo's family, have followed this story so close!

For Carrie:rose:

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/05/02/culberson_noon.html

MissingKaren

Originally posted by missingkaren2
Here is the latest. We, Karen Jo's family, have followed this story so close!

For Carrie:rose:

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/05/02/culberson_noon.html

MissingKaren

Any news on this today?
Did they resume the dig or is it still raining?
Couldn't find any new info so thought someone close to this knew something.

[5boxersmom]

Originally posted by zzziiinnnggg


Any news on this today?
Did they resume the dig or is it still raining?
Couldn't find any new info so thought someone close to this knew something.


Yes, they are digging again.The rain has stopped.They were suppose to bring in the cadaver dog around 2:00.I haven't heard anything since.


Edited to add.

Just heard it was a different cadaver dog then they had this weekend and it is hitting on the same spot.

They are digging farther down.

Originally posted by 5boxersmom



Yes, they are digging again.The rain has stopped.They were suppose to bring in the cadaver dog around 2:00.I haven't heard anything since.


Edited to add.

Just heard it was a different cadaver dog then they had this weekend and it is hitting on the same spot.

They are digging farther down.

Thanks for the update.

[camracrazy]

Link to the latest news (http://www.channelcincinnati.com/news/3264295/detail.html)

There is a picture of Vincent Doan near the bottom of that page. I just want to rip that smirk right off his face!! :cuss: :flamemad:

Originally posted by camracrazy
Link to the latest news (http://www.channelcincinnati.com/news/3264295/detail.html)

There is a picture of Vincent Doan near the bottom of that page. I just want to rip that smirk right off his face!! :cuss: :flamemad:

The dog that was used Monday is part of a team that was assigned to the World Trade Center after the 2001 terrorist attacks.

"The dog went into the building and the dog picked up a residual scent... It kept going over to the target area. When the dog went into that area, that dog kept digging," said an investigator.

The first dog was brought in last week. That dog indicated a scent three out of the particular four times it was brought in the corner.

"We need to prepare to go a lot deeper...at least 22 feet deep," said police, referring to the corner that is now in question.
http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/05/03/culberson.html

[findcarrie]

If you want a touch of class, check out Vincent Doan's support site. LOL

www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan

The general public should see this.

On a happier note, the 2nd cadavar dog picked up a scent today in the same corner as the first dog. Police officials are going to dig down possibly 22 feet tomorrow in that area. Everyone please keep your fingers crossed.

www.findcarrieculberson.com

[oldshirley]

If you want a touch of class, check out Vincent Doan's support site. LOL

I just tossed my dinner :rolleyes:

Made me ill! They do not mention the Fact that Vince's Sister of what his sister in law stated about her husband and Vince now do they?

Another reason to take down our site!

MissingKaren

[findcarrie]

Well I thought that the general public should see this website. They love bashing us. What's sad is that we have the facts and we dont talk ugly about Vincent Doan. The world is starting to have a clearer view of how these folks work.

[kcharjay01]

Originally posted by findcarrie
Well I thought that the general public should see this website. They love bashing us. What's sad is that we have the facts and we dont talk ugly about Vincent Doan. The world is starting to have a clearer view of how these folks work.

:cuss: WEll I went to Vince's website and yes I spoke ugly to them about him and the fact that they were supporting a murderer. If he was such a man that committed murder, he should be a man/boy and step up admit what he did, accept punishment and show remorse. I hope they finally find Carrie so she can be at peace. Period.

[findcarrie]

If anybody disparages Vincent Doan on that website, they will just not let it post. I had to start moderating Carrie's website guestbook because it had gotten so far out of control that the same person would post like 40 entries at a time calling her every name in the book and posting lie after lie about her family. We get many people who are angry at Vince but I just keep our messages of the nice comments. I will not stoop down to their level. THey want people to be upset and end up cussing them out. If we continue to post what is true and what was found in a court of law, we have accomplished way more than this group of people. They feel as if they are helping Vincent, but in retrospect, they are hurting him more than ever.

We still dont know if Carrie was found today. I've learned to have patience with this because over excitement can really work with your nerves.

:(

They are really taking forever on this:


The search for Carrie Culberson's body resumed for the fifth day Tuesday.

Crews started work around 9 a.m., and spent most of the day shoring up the edges of the hole with wood to make sure there are no collapses.

Investigators said they need to dig 22 feet below the barn off Fayetteville-Blanchester Road where the remains may be buried.

Carrie Culberson's mother, Debbie, was again at the dig site. Several people stopped by throughout the day to give Culberson flowers and moral support.

Investigators continue to search for the body of Carrie Culberson -- eight years after the Blancherster woman's disappearance in 1996.

Police have searched lakes and other properties in the Brown County area, but never found her body.

In the meantime, the Ohio Department of Corrections confirmed Tuesday that Jarrod Messer, the man who owns the barn, has been moved to the Warren County Correctional Facility, but would not say why. Messer is in jail on an unrelated charge.

9News was first on the scene at the dig site last week, and will continue coverage on the Culberson investigation.
http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/05/04/culberson.html

Search for Carrie near end?


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Mom says clues mount about missing daughter

By Janice Morse
The Cincinnati Enquirer


PERRY TOWNSHIP - During past searches, evidence trails stopped cold.

But now, nearly eight years after 22-year-old Carrie Culberson disappeared from Blanchester, a Clinton County village northeast of Cincinnati, clues keep mounting. To her parents, that suggests investigators are closer than ever to finding Culberson's remains.

"They just keep getting new information that keeps adding up," Debbie Culberson, Carrie's mother, said Tuesday.

Both she and Carrie's father, Roger, said they feel more optimistic about the latest search, which began last week, than any of the dozen that preceded it.

Investigators continued to dig at an excavation site Tuesday under a pole barn on Fayetteville-Blanchester Road in Brown County.

And today, the search will enter its eighth day when police expect to start work with a human-bones expert and add a third cadaver-sniffing dog to the team, said Brown County Sheriff's Chief Deputy John Dunn.

Forensic expert coming

Dr. Beth Murray, a nationally known forensic anthropologist from the College of Mount St. Joseph, is coming to consult about excavation techniques, not to examine any bones, Dunn said.

No human remains have been found at the site and officials have not discussed what led to the barn.

Roger Culberson said investigators revealed their reasons for summoning Murray and the third dog. But they asked him, his ex-wife and Carrie's sister, Christina Knox, not to disclose that information.

Acting on a tip they won't discuss, investigators began searching beneath the barn April 28, a day earlier than previously reported. Carrie's family and news reporters learned about the search two days later.

So far, investigators have excavated a hole about eight feet by eight feet, and 15 feet deep, Dunn said. They plan to dig down 22 feet - the depth that a specific piece of heavy equipment is capable of reaching.

Investigators have learned when the structure was built and when its cement floor was poured, Dunn said. He wouldn't specify the timing, but said it would have been after Culberson's disappearance.

Remains never found

Culberson's ex-boyfriend, Vincent Doan, was convicted in 1997 of killing her even though her body was never found. He is serving a life sentence in prison. Culberson was declared dead in 1998.

Since then, Carrie's mother has become active in domestic-violence intervention and prevention programs.

And she has continued her quest for her daughter's remains.

Although Debbie Culberson dreads the thought of dealing with the aftermath of finding her daughter's body, she said it's worse not knowing what happened to her. "Over the years, we've heard rumor after rumor," she said. The gruesome descriptions of the possibilities created vivid images that haunt her, she said.

Standing at the end of the country lane leading to the barn with its floor dug up, Debbie Culberson said, "I'm praying that this is where Carrie is."

A third cadavar dog & Dr. Murray, a forensic anthropologist were on site today (5-5-04). The third dog reacted to a different area than the last two dogs. Investigators believe that they need to go down 22 more feet before they find anything. The search will continue Thursday morning.


For Carrie and her family :rose:

The wait must be totally unbearable.

[oldshirley]

Investigators believe that they need to go down 22 more feet before they find anything. The search will continue Thursday morning.

God, I feel sorry for her family and friends. This must be agonizing. :rose:

[starling]

:rose:

Latest update - a geologist has also been brought in to test dirt.

http://www.channelcincinnati.com/news/3273027/detail.html

[oldshirley]

If they find some forensic traces of her in that soil, will they continue to dig or will they assume her body is there and quit? And how in the world did this guy bury her so deep? Did he have access to construction equipment? Was this a construction site at the time she went missing or was it a waste site?
I'd really like to know if it's taking this much equipment and this much time to get that deep, how did he get her that deep?

[findcarrie]

Search for Carrie Enters 8th Day:

By: JUSTIN STORY, Staff Writer
Submitted: 5/6/2004


FAYETTEVILLE, Ohio -- As investigators continue to search for the body of Clarissa 'Carrie' Culberson, Carrie's mother Debra Culberson remains resolute that this latest effort will be successful.

'I have no reason not to be optimistic,' said Culberson shortly after authorities concluded another day of work at the site of a barn on Fayetteville-Blanchester Road about a mile from the Clinton County border.

Several family members wore buttons with Carrie's picture on them, and a sign was placed across from the entrance to the property where investigators are conducting their search.

The sign reads, 'Justice for Carrie -- Disappeared but not forgotten.'

Carrie, 22, disappeared in 1996 and was declared dead two years later.

Her boyfriend, Vincent Doan, was convicted in 1997 of her murder and is currently serving a life sentence.

Doan's brother, Tracey Baker, is serving an eight-year sentence for obstruction of justice related to the case.

A third cadaver dog brought to the site Wednesday picked up a scent, but dug in many areas of the barn. Two other dogs dug in the exact same spot.

Brown County Chief Deputy John Dunn said the newest cadaver dog had less experience, but added that the sheriff's department wanted the handler to observe and comment on the search.

'He came in to look at our site and assess what the dogs were doing,' said Dunn.

In addition to a cadaver dog, another expert, forensic anthropologist Dr. Beth Murray, visited the site during the morning to also observe the searching process.

Authorities at the scene said Murray encouraged investigators to continue as they had been doing and did not suggest altering their methods.

Murray, from the College of Mount St. Joseph, has identified human remains and determined cause of death in several previous criminal cases in the area.

As the family waits for another breakthrough, Debra Culberson receives daily support from passersby, whether friends or strangers.

A man driving a pickup truck gave her a single red rose and a note of encouragement Wednesday.

'Hoping you can finally put your daughter to rest in peace with God and that this will be your greatest Mother's Day ever,' the note reads. Culberson said she did not know the person who gave her the gifts.

'It's nice to know there are people I don't even know who are still thinking of us,' she said.

Tuesday, she received a dozen red roses and one yellow rose.

Dunn, meanwhile, said a fourth cadaver dog would be brought to the scene today, primarily to reconfirm that a scent other dogs have detected is traceable to a specific spot under the disturbed ground beneath the barn's concrete floor.

Earlier discussion of tearing down a wall of the barn in order to accommodate heavier equipment will not be acted upon, according to Dunn, who said he 'doesn't see a problem' with a larger machine fitting into the building.

In another development, Jarrod Messer, the owner of the property housing the barn, has been transferred from prison in Montgomery County to Warren County, Ohio.

Messer is serving a two-year sentence for charges unrelated to this case.

'We're interviewing everybody associated with the case,' said Dunn. 'We've put him closer to us in case investigators need him for something.'

I read that they are digging down to 22' because that is the depth that a "certain piece of equipment" is able to reach.

I wonder if they got a tip as to the property owner renting or having access to this particular piece of equipment in the days after Carrie was murdered?

I'll look for a link.

[oldshirley]

Maybe there was a dumpsite there or something at the time she went missing or maybe he did rent some equipment. You'd think that would have come out before now, though.
One thing's for sure, I doubt he dug that far with just a shovel. But if there was a construction site there or if there was some sort of waste site there, he could have put her there and then over time someone else filled in the hole. :shrug:
I don't know, I was just curious as to why they're going down that far.

[oldshirley]

Anything new yet?

Shirley,
Here is the link to the article that says LE is digging down to 22' as that is the depth reachable by a specific type of equipment:

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/05/05/loc_culberson05.html

[findcarrie]

I just wanted to let you all know who have been following this that human hair was found today in the hole after 2 more cadavar dogs indicated a dead body was near by. The hair has been taken to the crime lab for a positive identification. I cannot think of anybody who has a missing family member except Carrie in that location, so I am almost 100% it will come back as her DNA. I'll post anything as I hear it. You dont know the emotions everyone is feeling right now - even at my house and I'm not related to Carrie Culberson.

I got this information from Michael Rolfes a PI in Cincinnati and 700 WLW in Cincinnati

www.findcarrieculberson.com

This was also posted on the www.findcarrieculberson.com website


Human hair has been found on the Fayetteville-Blanchester site today and has been sent to the crime lab for positive identification. 700 WLW A.M. news/talk radio reporting.


I wonder how long it will take for the crime lab to determine the DNA? Or, maybe they have a priority on this?

[oldshirley]

I just got chills reading that about the human hair.

Juliana, thanks for the link, I'm going to check it out.

This is very sad.:rose:

We have to hope and pray that the Culberson family can finally have closure. Hopefully this will all come to an end very soon.

[camracrazy]

This link says the hair has no relevance:

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/05/07/loc_psbriefs07.html

Search continues for Body

A fifth cadaver dog has detected a scent in the same area as the other four. Soil and water samples are being sent to labs to determine if gases from decomposure are evident. The hair has not been determined to be human yet and came from the rafters.

Link to article -

http://maysville-online.thimblemedia.com/article.asp?catid=2&articleid=5694

[5boxersmom]

The hair was not Carrie's.

http://www.wkrc.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=445476D0-94C3-4DD1-BED0-464BEEFB00C2

[starling]

Originally posted by 5boxersmom
The hair was not Carrie's.

http://www.wkrc.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=445476D0-94C3-4DD1-BED0-464BEEFB00C2

:(

Police say water runoff has been sent for chemical analysis to determine if any traces of human remains can be detected.
:rose:

[5boxersmom]

Originally posted by drlmull
not hers, well what other human could it be ?







:shrug:

[findcarrie]

I hope my intuition is wrong about this but, I would not be suprised at all if this was not a false attempt by the family of the convicted to stop this much anticipated memorial that was to be held last Friday for Carrie Culberson. I dont know that, but I am beginning to wonder. There were MANY of the who totally destested that statue being put up in her memory.

[starling]

BUT 5 different cadaver dogs have hit positively....troubling that someone that is no longer with us is/was in that barn :(

What a dark group of people.
Poor Carrie, I wish she could of left him early on...

:rose:

[oldshirley]

There were MANY of the who totally destested that statue being put up in her memory.

You HAVE to be kidding me. Why in the world would they be so unhappy about something in someone's memory? Are they a bunch of morons? :flamemad:

[5boxersmom]

They found something at the site.They took the family back and when they came back out they looked so upset.They said they were going home and would not talk to the reporters.

The deputy,Dunn,said it was something that if it was laying on the ground you would not think nothing about it being there but it was buried deep. I figure maybe it is a shoe or jewelry.They said it was three items and they are being sent to the lab.http://www.wkrc.com/breaking/story.aspx?content_id=680C5984-7235-4CC7-BBBE-341A58B3D878

[oldshirley]

Boxermom, thanks for posting. I got chills, once again, from reading that. This is a very heart-wrenching story.

Originally posted by drlmull
not hers, well what other human could it be ?

Maybe the hair belonged to the person who buried Carrie (if she is buried there).

[5boxersmom]

On the 11:00 O'Clock news tonight,channel 12,WKRC,in Cincinnati they said the County Coroner,Dr.Timothy McKinley is coming home from a conference in Cleveland a day early because of this case.I think this is very strange.Wonder what is going on?

There is nothing about them saying it on the website.Maybe they will post it later.

[camracrazy]

On Carrie's website, it says the hair belonged to an unidentified female. Makes you wonder if Carrie was the only victim.

Carrie's website (http://www.findcarrieculberson.com)

Coroner on scene in Carrie Culberson Search

The arrival of the two coroners, the prosecutor and another cadavor dog at pole barn in Perry Township this morning is creating more questions than answers. Last week Fox 19 was told the coroner would not be called unless something significant had been found.

Yesterday after finding several "items" Carrie Culberson's family consulted with the Brown County Sherrif and then left the barn. During the search Debbie Culberson has spoken to the media each day but last night left without comment. No one will say exactly what the "items" might be just that it is unusual to find them buried so deep in the ground.

Culberson's ex-boyfriend Vince Doan was convicted in her murder. He is spending life in prison. Family and friends of Doan and his brother Tracey, who was also convicted in Carrie's disappearance, say they both are innocent.

Earlier, in the week long search a hair found inside the pole barn was sent to a crime lab. They determined it does not belong to Culberson
http://www.fox19.com/Global/story.asp?S=1850954&nav=0zHFMxM4

[findcarrie]

You all, I was online for 5 hours last night and then I went to bedabout 10:30. This about when the breaking news happened. I try so very hard to stay near to keep that stuff updated. I am hoping that this is indeed something that we've been waiting no for a long time today in that the coroner is out there.

I want for all of you to continue to pray for this family. This has been the hardest 11 days I've ever had and she wasnt my sister or daugther. I've only been involved with this 2 years but they've been dealing with this for almost 8.

I have noticed a stone silence all the sudden on Vincent Doan's site. I wonder about that????? Hopefully some of these tormenting questions can be answered very soon.

findcarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

Sat. May 8, 2004 @ 10:30 a.m.
A coroner and a sixth cadavar dog are on site at the Fayetteville-Blanchester Rd. excavation site. There is no information yet as to why they are there. Many are speculating that the remains of Carrie Culberson are near. Yesterday her family appeared visibly shaken after viewing the identifiable items from investigators. Any news will posted immediately on the Carrie's Case Update Page.

[camracrazy]

Can anyone tell me why they keep bringing in new dogs? I can see bringing one or two in to confirm the original dog's findings, but why are there now six?

[starling]

Originally posted by camracrazy
On Carrie's website, it says the hair belonged to an unidentified female. Makes you wonder if Carrie was the only victim.

Carrie's website (http://www.findcarrieculberson.com)

re-visiting her photos~
Carrie was absolutely BEAUTIFUL!
What a small punk Doan looked like at trial. I don't picture them together. He must of been insecure of his place to abuse her that way.

How sad for her family.
It sounds like they may have found something like her jewelry.

You know, with the dogs hitting in the same area except for 2 hitting in different location at the site, it could be that her body is there, just not in one piece. Like a chipper shredder was used so there would not be a body to find, only bone fragments.

I know that sounds gruesome but it keeps popping into my mind everytime I think of this case.

Thanks for all the updates. I know some answers are around the corner.

[findcarrie]

The half brother of Vincent Doan, Tracey Baker joked to a girlfriend Robin Eden that he and Vincent chopped Carrie up and he enjoyed shooting her lifeless body. She testified at Tracey's trial. It is believed that there is a good possibility that Carrie was dismembered, but we dont know this. We hope not.

If you watched the trial last March 2003 on Court TV, the exgirlfriends of Vincent Doan testified and in my opinion, they were totally about five steps down from Carrie Culberson. The one past live in girlfriend who lived with Vincent and his mother Priscilla Doan lied when she said Vincent Doan never abused her. He did. He's always done that, it's second nature to this family.

Carrie Culberson's mother said that Carrie felt sorry for Vincent Doan and that's what first drew her to him Carrie did not take the seriousness of his threats and in my opinion, he went off the deep end and killed her because his jealousy overtook him.

I dont know VIncent Doan but I know he refused to talk to me, or the PI back in 2003. I dont know that family either. I just know how much they've got online and slandered not only me, but the whole group who tries to help find Carrie. You form your own opinions.

[starling]

Originally posted by findcarrie
(snip)
If you want a touch of class, check out Vincent Doan's support site.

www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan

The general public should see this.



After, reading his website and this latest news.. maybe they found parts of her car burried in the pole barn.
That would be unusual 'things' to be burried.
They bring up THE CAR a lot on VD's website..she and her CAR are missing.
I guess they want to(duh)show us she drove off to start a new life.
What a crock of crapola.
May he rot.

___________
JMO of course
:rose: for Carrie

Yes, I remember reading his site and thinking the same thing - they mention the missing car way too often. Also, didn't his family own a junk yard and/or a wrecking service? How convenient....

Were they digging today? Are the coroners still at the scene?

Herlock

Let me tell you a little bit about what I know. First of all, please God, let them find her this time! Doan's family is known to be hell raising, drug dealing/using, convicts. The people of Blanchester are secluded from a lot of what goes on in the world. It is a rural area where everyone knows everyone's affairs. It is a country town where a lot of people get away with a lot of illeagal activity in the back roads. The property where the seach is going on is the home of a man who is currently in jail for drug charges and is a known meth producer. Hopefully, when they find Carrie and this guy is charged...he will sing like a bird. The state's evidence can then be used for Death Penalty sentences for those involved.

[findcarrie]

Nobody can get any updates as to what is going on now. I guess I'll lay awake all nite and replay what I think is going on.

I have put so much time and effort into this website for Carrie so that anybody who runs across that on Court TV or wherever will have the facts not some horse crap that holds no backing. I venture a guess that something is out there @ that site but it will be tomorrow before they say a word if then. I am not calling her mother because that poor woman needs to not be hounded right now. She lives less than 2 blocks from the Bakers. So imagine what she's had to endure?

On a different note. I've come to know a man named Dennis Mahon who did that site for Kristin Smart. You all should go to his site and check it out. This girl is missing and there is a group of people who know where she is but they cannot get anybody to cooperate - just like in our case. Sickening to think that this happens to other folks too. Guess I should'nt be so naieve.

www.sonofsusan.com


:flamemad:

findcarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

This is the first time I have posted on this Topic. But to let everyone know, I have been following this sad story. I went to Mr Doan sit and when I read his bio, I got so mad. So I signed his guestbook and told him and his supportors what I thought about them.:patriot:

Good morning and Happy Mother's Day. I "clipped" this from the Cincinnati Post this morning and it just might explain why there are so many cadaver dogs at the scene. The article also states that they plan to resume digging this weekend.

http://www.cincypost.com/2004/05/08/carrie05-08-2004.html

My thoughts are with Debbie today.

Herlock

[oldshirley]

I visited his website--my little ditty didn't get posted, gee, I wonder why :rolleyes:
There are some sick people posting there.

[camracrazy]

Thank you for the article. Are they digging today? Wouldn't it be ironic to find Carrie on Mother's Day? Her mother has fought so hard and so long to find her.

[oldshirley]

Camra, I think it would be bittersweet to find her today, but in a way, I hope they dig and do find the evidence they need.

[findcarrie]

They are not digging for Carrie. The article from yesterday was updated this morning stating that they are taking today off and that a total of six items have been found.

I dont know how much longer it's going to take before we find out WHAT is going on.

You all might as well not even bother to go to Vince's site and post your feelings b/c they dont allow anybody to post unless it's the same 4 people who are signing that book with about 40 different names. Notice the typing mannerism on the posts. You will see what I'm talking about. Ridiculous

[Justins Mom]

:mad: the man is purely evil incarnate

[starling]

anything on the items?

[findcarrie]

folks if the coroner was out there on saturday and he is examining something - I believe it's human remains. Her mother cannot comment on anything right now, but she would say - something is definetly out there.

I feel like late this afternoon we will know what that was and how it was related to Carrie Culberson.

that website for vincent doan has gotten very quiet in the last few days. I wonder why? :confused:

This may go on for another week - possibly two. I hope not - I just want to get her back and put this to rest.

findcarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

[kcharjay01]

:flamemad: That man and the person who does his website makes me physically ill.

I hope they find something about Carrie. I hate for the family to still be suffering. I only wish this would end and the family would get closure!!

[Justins Mom]

VD's website only caters to those who thing VD and tracey are innocent or to those spewing religion and pray for them. Never any view except the boys were wrongly accused and possibly Carrie died of an overdose and Jared had involvement.

A little light on the Jared angle if you'd please. Was Carrie known for having a habit or 2 or is this speculation - Was Jared given a lie dectector test?

[oldshirley]

VD's website

His initials are "VD" :eek: How appropriate, he's a disease, a nasty disease. :lol:
Sorry, but I just couldn't help but see the parallel here.

[findcarrie]

Vincent Doan chased Carrie Culberson into Billie Joe Brown's yard, she saw him grab Carrie when she tripped in the hole in her yard & pick her up by the arm and punch her square in the mouth and he told her - the next time, I told you, I'd kill you - you f***ing B**tch!!! There was a night light in Browns front yard & it was a full moon on Wednesday, August 28, 1996. She could see him real well.

The drug theory is BS. Carrie smoked pot a few times but Vince Doan was the one who supplied it to her. Another load of BS the family wants you to believe.

I have posted those photos of the view outside of Ms. Brown's window onto her lawn lookin at Vince's house as it would that nite, except it's day time. Look at it and see what you think.

http://www.findcarrieculberson.com/ohiovdoan.html

I post all this useless information so when one of them comes off with a lie - I can show the viewers what the jury saw and why they convicted him.

I'm sick of all these dern lies.

[Justins Mom]

Let's face it - I looked at that site and read the nice words so many wrote about VD and tracey. Tells it all - BIG BS.

Had to ask as many kept mentioning Jared and the drug theory.

[findcarrie]

look at the typing mannerism in the entries inside the book. the same person is typing it over and over again but using a different name.

HE'S INNOCENT!!!!!!!!!!! HE DIDNT DO IT!!!!!!!! sometimes I'm afraid lightning is going to strike through the pc. ;)

[oldshirley]

The drug theory is BS. Carrie smoked pot a few times but Vince Doan was the one who supplied it to her. Another load of BS the family wants you to believe

Typical response from an abuser--he would blame her, slander her because he knows she can't defend her reputation. Nobody believes him.

[Justins Mom]

Originally posted by findcarrie
look at the typing mannerism in the entries inside the book. the same person is typing it over and over again but using a different name.

HE'S INNOCENT!!!!!!!!!!! HE DIDNT DO IT!!!!!!!! sometimes I'm afraid lightning is going to strike through the pc. ;)

And the praise god ones too

Investigators: Items Under Barn Floor Probably Belonged To Culberson

5/10/2004 6:33:22 PM

New information about evidence found at the site where crews are searching for the body of Carrie Culberson was released Monday.

Investigators said some of the things they found under a concrete floor Friday and Monday did, in all likelihood, belong to Culberson. They have said, however, they still have much more work to do and many more questions to answer.

Those investigators on the scene said they do hope to finish up their work in Blanchester Tuesday.

Culberson has been missing for eight years and although they have found items that reportedly belonged to Culberson, they have found no human remains.

"We plan to be absolutely sure that she was not buried here before moving on," said Chief Deputy John Dunn, Brown County.

Culberson's mother, Debbie continues to wait for answers.

Even though no definitive answers have been given, Culberson's mother said it's more than she's had in years.

"This has been so different from any of the other searches that we've had and I just think that this is going ot be our answer, this spot," Culberson's mother said.

In the meantime, investigators will be back on the scene Tuesday sifting through dirt in hopes of solving this case once and for all.
http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/05/10/culberson.html

Thanks 4Bs for the update. I am very curious about the items that were found. I wonder if that information will ever be released. I can't imagine the suffering of Carrie's family, to be so close....

Herlock

I'm confused, if six different cadaver dogs hit on the same spot, and they haven't found any remains, then what are the dogs hitting on?

[starling]

Originally posted by phillis
I'm confused, if six different cadaver dogs hit on the same spot, and they haven't found any remains, then what are the dogs hitting on?

Hi Phillis~
Herlock posted an interesting article earlier

The dogs have reacted to scents in groundwater, officers said, which leaves open the possibility that Culberson's body is somewhere outside the barn and the water is rolling over it before it makes it way to the barn.
http://www.cincypost.com/2004/05/08/carrie05-08-2004.html


:rose:

[oldshirley]

I am still hoping they find her body there.
For her family :rose:

[findcarrie]

You all, the investigators believe that she was crumpled up before she was dumped into the ground with her stuff. These sweet lovely Baker's destroyed her body and what was left is what the dog was picking up. She's there, but she is dirt. How would you like to be her parents right now?

I hope to GOD Bill Peele decides to charge Messer with tampering with evidence and conspiracy to commit murder. Perhaps then we will know the exact details of Carrie Culberson's last night alive.

With this being her items and her "dirt", that sweet little thang wont ever get out of jail - because now we have proof she is dead.

Anybody that would do something like that deserves to be killed. I'm sorry but I feel that way. You have no idea how this feels.

:flamemad: :no: :cuss:

So sad. I wish that her mother could atleast have a proper burial for her......

Investigators To Wrap Up Search

Investigators say today likely is the final day of digging to find the body of a woman missing since 1996.

Brown County Chief Deputy John Dunn says a seventh article was found yesterday under a pole barn where dogs have indicated a human scent.

He says the latest find is something that makes sense in getting rid of a cadaver. Despite digging more than 15 feet deep, investigators have found no sure sign of 22-year-old Carrie Culberson.

Her former boyfriend, Vincent Doan, was convicted of her murder and is serving a life sentence in prison.

Dunn says because the dirt is not disturbed beneath 15 feet, he's confident that Culberson's body is not at the site if nothing else is found in the remaining area. He says it's possible her body was pulverized before either she or her belongings were allegedly buried at the site.
http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=1856304&nav=LQlCN0gb

[5boxersmom]

They said on the noon news that buckets of dirt have been sent to the Forensic Antropoligist.She is sifting through them looking for bones.


Wasn't he being watched after she came up missing? I would think the LP kept a eye on him.I don't think this is something that could have been done in a few hours.This has made me sick.

I remember when it first happen and I thought he was a suspect from the begining.I know the Police Chief tipped them off about the pond but you would have thought they were watching VD.


For Carrie,:rose:

[oldshirley]

I would cry for any parent who has to bury their child, but it makes me want to just scream for someone who might, if she's lucky, get to bury her child in bits and pieces. That is sickening.
I am for the death penalty and generally I say I don't care how they are executed, just so they are executed. If I let my emotions go on this one, I'd say take little boy Vince to a meat grinding facility and put him thru a grinder while he's still fully cognizant of what's going to happen. Let him sweat it for awhile though before he's put thru it.
I cannot imagine the agony Carrie's family has gone through over this.

[starling]

OldShirley you got my vote on that punishment.
Maybe the latest find is lime - it's used to speed up decomp isn't it?

How horrific and sad for the family.
I don't know if I could take all the details
:rose:

[5boxersmom]

A new link.


http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/05/11/culberson.html

[5boxersmom]

Here's another link.

http://www.wkrc.com/breaking/story.aspx?content_id=F4CE66EB-D40B-48E9-869B-23394A42AD00

[starling]

Originally posted by 5boxersmom
Here's another link.

http://www.wkrc.com/breaking/story.aspx?content_id=F4CE66EB-D40B-48E9-869B-23394A42AD00


One of them was a piece of clothing that has been identified as belonging to Carrie Culberson.

What monsters.
I do wonder how far down the chain this goes...how many people helped him. His Dad was weird at trial too


all JMO of course

I think you could be right Starling, about the lime.

What a creepy bunch - the Doan/Baker clan. Didn't the half-brother's wife testify that the two returned (in the middle of the night) covered with blood? What is the mother like? Was she at the trial?

I have great faith in the forensic anthropologist. Godspeed in her research.

Herlock

I forgot to add in my last post that my sympathy extends to you Findcarrie. I can't imagine your suffering.

Herlock

[findcarrie]

The CRX could be anywhere b/c the Baker family owned a junk yard and so did this fella that they just dug up the property. Many believe that Carrie was transported with the vehicle somewhere and they disposed of both but that theory is odd to some us and here is why.
You take a new vehicle to whomever and say - I want this crushed. It a junk. they see a fairly new vehicle and they are like, ok but... they look in it. That's why I think she was never in the vehicle - neither does her mom. Debra has always said she believed Carrie was near so the family could keep a watchful eye on her. It all is starting to seem really possible now.

I've gotten on every CRX message board I can find and posted her information in case somebody runs across it. There are some things I dont know - as in i somebody has called the cops. I just put the info out there and they go to the police if they need to. Works better that way.

I was upset all day long yesterday, until I heard that the excavation was taking a break until the results of that soil, and the DNA comes back. They are also following up leads and more info. that has come in off this. Look we've got a piece of her clothing that they know she had when she disappeared, so if we dont get nothing else back, this is better than nothing - which is what we had before. BUT I believe there'll be more.

That guard is out there b/c of what happened the last time with some good ole boy removing Carrie the first time from that junkyard pond. which resulted in the police cheif being fired and that town being sued big time.

I trust the prosecutor Bill Peele and I believe that he is going to probably seek justice on Messer for tampering or possibly conspiracy which might blow this case wide open if he doesnt want to obide by the code of silence. He could do whatever to get out of going to jail for a long time.

I continue to remain hopeful. SOrry for writing so much. It' not over yet.

FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

Originally posted by oldshirley
I would cry for any parent who has to bury their child, but it makes me want to just scream for someone who might, if she's lucky, get to bury her child in bits and pieces. That is sickening.
I am for the death penalty and generally I say I don't care how they are executed, just so they are executed. If I let my emotions go on this one, I'd say take little boy Vince to a meat grinding facility and put him thru a grinder while he's still fully cognizant of what's going to happen. Let him sweat it for awhile though before he's put thru it.
I cannot imagine the agony Carrie's family has gone through over this.
I agree with you oldshirley.....I'd take him to the facility personally.....I've followed this case since it's being.....I'm also a locale living maybe 15 or 20 miles away.......I never could believe how badly this case was handled.....

I'm holding on to hope that they find Carrie and bring her home to her mother....So very sad……VD’s site is sickening … I also signed the guest book and it of course never made it on there…hummm wonder why…..he's a ba@ta@@.....

[5boxersmom]

Originally posted by Ariah

I agree with you oldshirley.....I'd take him to the facility personally.....I've followed this case since it's being.....I'm also a locale living maybe 15 or 20 miles away.......I never could believe how badly this case was handled.....

I'm holding on to hope that they find Carrie and bring her home to her mother....So very sad……VD’s site is sickening … I also signed the guest book and it of course never made it on there…hummm wonder why…..he's a ba@ta@@.....


Hi Ariah,:seeya:

Yes,this case was handled very badly.I just wonder how many people were involved.

I live about 6 miles from the dig site and drove by today.There is a deputy posted at the driveway.I hope they keep it guarded well.

[starling]

findcarrie,
take care & hang in there
~S



:rose:

[oldshirley]

I wonder if she might have been out there at one time and his family moved her. What vile people. It irks me that someone can "get away" with murder.

[findcarrie]

this family knows exactly where she is. I have not doubt about that.

Originally posted by 5boxersmom



Hi Ariah,:seeya:

Yes,this case was handled very badly.I just wonder how many people were involved.

I live about 6 miles from the dig site and drove by today.There is a deputy posted at the driveway.I hope they keep it guarded well.

hey 5boxersmom:seeya:
How've you been?
Yeah I agree I hope they keep that site secure....God knows they didn't the first time...nor did the Clermont Police when it was my family's place.....I think it's just our area......makes you really wonder how much the police really know about what they're doing....I pray things have gotten better over the years…..

Take care...

[islandgirl36542]

A single red rose for Ms. Culberson today :rose:

[starling]

findcarrie, have you heard anything?

:rose:

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/05/16/loc_culberson16.html

What day were the samples sent to the lab for testing?
The news report said it would take a week for their report.
Just wondering when to check back in.

[camracrazy]

Snipped from the Enquirer article:

"Authorities have declined to describe six of the objects sent to the crime lab. But one was a distinctive piece of clothing that Culberson's relatives recognized as belonging to her."

I wonder how Vince's camp is going to explain away that?

[starling]

"You can never put dirt back the way it was when it was undisturbed; things will be jumbled up," she said. "You chase those areas of disturbance in whatever direction that disturbance leads you."

Thanks for the article aaronsmom.

Here is a really interesting article about the testing process concerning DNA.. Related to Carrie's case. Thought it was an informative read.

Culberson inquiry shifts to laboratory

PERRY TWP. - The search for clues about Carrie Culberson's disappearance has shifted from a messy, mud-filled pit in rural Brown County to a sterile, high-tech laboratory 50 miles away.

Seven possible pieces of the puzzle, unearthed from the 15-foot-deep pit during a two-week excavation and search, are being analyzed by forensic experts at the Miami Valley Regional Crime Laboratory in Dayton, Ohio.

There, scientists are beginning an exacting, time-consuming process to find the tiniest traces of evidence that might help solve the 8-year-old mystery of what happened to Culberson.

Scientists will compare their findings to known DNA samples from Culberson and from Vincent Doan, the man convicted of killing her even though her body has never been found.

"In this case we didn't have a body - and we still don't," said Ken Betz, the crime lab's director. "That's one of the things that makes this case so unusual."

In the past 35 years, the crime lab has handled evidence from about 2,450 homicides - and only two of them besides Culberson's resulted in convictions without the victim's body or remains being found, Betz said.

"Without a body, you're always wondering ... and in the back of your mind, you might be saying: Are they really gone?" Betz said. "Family members want to know the truth - period. No matter what it is, they want to know the truth."

While declining to discuss specifics of the Culberson case, Betz said years-old cases bring potential for great rewards or disappointments. Changes in science, specifically advances in DNA testing, can allow scientists to extract evidence they would not have been able to eight years ago, he said. But time and environmental changes can also alter or destroy potential evidence.

Culberson's mother, Debbie, kept a vigil at the Brown County excavation, hoping investigators would find her daughter's remains there. Absent that, she said she is glad they found items to be tested.

"I'm hoping that they'll be able to find some DNA evidence after all this time," she said.

Painstaking process

Authorities have declined to describe six of the objects sent to the crime lab. But one was a distinctive piece of clothing that Culberson's relatives recognized as belonging to her.

"That alone shows that the leads that they had received were viable leads," Culberson's mother said.

The items will be tested for possible DNA, bodily fluids, fibers or any other particles that may hold a clue.

"We're going to analyze everything we have for any type of trace evidence that could be there: blood or hairs or sweat or semen or anything of a biological nature," Betz said.

The testing is getting high priority. But Betz said it still will take at least a week to complete a report. DNA analysis is far more complex and takes much longer than popular TV crime shows like CSI: Crime Scene Investigation portray.

"Television solves crimes in an hour or 45-minute segment - and that's just unrealistic in the real world of forensics," Betz said. "If I started a single DNA case today and did my analysis and review - and that was my whole job - it would take about four days to finish it."

Annette Davis, a DNA analyst at the crime lab, offered a simplified description of the process:

Using ultraviolet or other special lighting if needed, scientists locate stains on material.

Stains are tested to determine whether they might contain DNA. If so, a scientist cuts out a piece of the stained material and puts it into a test tube with chemicals that separate the DNA from the material. Then the scientist passes the DNA through a filter to remove any foreign material, leaving a purified DNA sample.

Other technical steps follow. Finally, the samples go into tiny test tubes - smaller than marbles - and into a machine that prints a graph showing the unique pattern of that DNA sample.

The results are subject to another scientist's review. Then the results will be compared against other known samples - in this case, Culberson's and Doan's - or fed into a national database to search for a match against 1.5 million other DNA samples.

Although any evidence relating to Culberson's disappearance or death would date back eight years, sometimes luck helps preserve evidence that might otherwise have degraded to the point where it wouldn't be usable, Betz said. For example, if a piece of clothing was balled-up, microscopic evidence may have been preserved from the elements, he said.

But Betz couldn't say whether that is the case for the items found at the Culberson search site.

"I'm not convinced that what I have, because of the condition it was found in, will render anything," he said last week.

And even if the articles sent to lab yield useful samples, Betz says there's another pressing question: "Do the items they collected have a bearing on her death or not?"

Cadaver dogs and difficult dig

Reaching the seven items now at the lab was a feat in itself, said Beth Murray, a College of Mount St. Joseph scientist who is consulting on the case.

Brown County Sheriff's deputies, FBI evidence technicians and others dug into stubborn, clay-based soil - the No. 1 enemy during the search for Culberson's remains, said Murray. The heavy, sticky soil held water, which had to be pumped out, during the rainy days of the dig and made the dig labor-intensive, she said.

As a forensic anthropologist who studies human bones, Murray is specially trained in techniques for recovering buried artifacts without damaging them.

To begin their search, authorities in Brown County used dogs trained to sniff for cadaver scents.

Then they followed a trail of disturbed soil, which is standard in such cases, Murray said.

"You can never put dirt back the way it was when it was undisturbed; things will be jumbled up," she said. "You chase those areas of disturbance in whatever direction that disturbance leads you."

Murray is being asked to scrutinize buckets filled with soil from the site for bone fragments, in case Culberson's remains were pulverized, said Brown County Sheriff's Chief Deputy John Dunn.

Murray said the heavy clay soil will make her task more difficult. Archaeologists often use screens to sift through dirt that could contain human remains or artifacts. That is impossible with clay soil, Murray said.

"It's like trying to screen chewing gum," she said.

Although no obvious human remains surfaced from the Brown County site, Murray said human bones could last eight years.

They would be better preserved if a body had been wrapped in plastic or buried in alkaline soil, but even in acidic soil some remains could last.

Culberson's mother is still hopeful that someone, who has kept a secret about what happened to her daughter, will come forward.

"Please help us find Carrie," Debbie Culberson said as the search ended May 11. "Somebody knows - and we need to know."
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/05/16/loc_culberson16.html

[5boxersmom]

Last night on the Channel 12 news(WKRC) in Cincinnati.Debra Dixon who does the Crimestoppers report listed some of the items found.I can't find the link and she has not posted it on the Crimestoppers report yet.

She said they were a Yellow Smiley Face T-shirt,a pair of panties,2 pieces of duct tape and a trash bag.These were buried 3 feet down.

The t-shirt had a spot on it they believe may be blood.She did not say what the other 2 items were.

Originally posted by 5boxersmom
Last night on the Channel 12 news(WKRC) in Cincinnati.Debra Dixon who does the Crimestoppers report listed some of the items found.I can't find the link and she has not posted it on the Crimestoppers report yet.

She said they were a Yellow Smiley Face T-shirt,a pair of panties,2 pieces of duct tape and a trash bag.These were buried 3 feet down.

The t-shirt had a spot on it they believe may be blood.She did not say what the other 2 items were.

Thanks for the update!

The evidence is certainly suggestive of a hanious crime, poor thing, I hope they find her remains!

Have they mentioned how long it will take for the DNA test results to be in?

[5boxersmom]

Originally posted by HorseFly


Thanks for the update!

The evidence is certainly suggestive of a hanious crime, poor thing, I hope they find her remains!

Have they mentioned how long it will take for the DNA test results to be in?


There may be some results back at the end of the week.Tonight on the news they said they will start sifting through the dirt they collected in about 2 weeks.I don't know why they are waiting so long.Maybe the Antropologist has something ahead of this one.

Link

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/05/17/culberson.html

[5boxersmom]

They used Lumnol on the barn and it did glow.They are taking the barn apart and taking pieces to a lab.They don't know if it reacted to blood or rust.


http://www.wkrc.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=46D6B28B-4A40-4FEC-8057-311B57BAA3D4

[oldshirley]

Wow, I didn't know it would pick up rust.

I'm not sure but it makes me think the Luminol was reacting to the iron which is also present in blood.

Herlock

[5boxersmom]

Originally posted by herlock
I'm not sure but it makes me think the Luminol was reacting to the iron which is also present in blood.

Herlock


Tonight on the news they said Zinc.I don't have a clue about rust or zinc but I guess they want to be sure.

Authorties have returned today to search for the remains of Carrie Culberson. DNA tests came back yesterday that showed that the outfit that was retrieved from the excavation site was indeed the outfit Carrie Culberson was wearing on August 28, 1996 when she disappeared. The F.B.I. and other law enforcement officials went back to the site late yesterday afternoon to put down Luminol (a chemical that glows when there is presence of blood) in the barn. The soil samples taken from the ground will not be complete until probably three more weeks. These results will show if the body was pulverized. Everyone continues to wait for the final answers to complete this seven and half year chapter.

I just went to VD web site to see if they were posting the latest news and noticed something. All the pictures of VD were taken in prison. Why wouldn't they have family pictures to post instead of prison pictures? I have so many pictures of my children, you can watch them grow up through many, many photo albums. I just thought this was strange.

The only news posted there was something like this....after days of digging the search has ended without finding the remains of Carrie. They mention the 7 items found that might be Carries BUT still no body.

I'm really surprised they even mentioned about the items might belong to Carrie.

If I was VD's family, and have been holding on so desperately for hope that he didn't do it, right now I'd be torn apart and crushed with doubt and from all the "what if's".

[starling]

5boxersmom ~
ANYTHING more on the local news?

Originally posted by starling
5boxersmom ~
ANYTHING more on the local news?

I was searching for new info also and all I found was another forum website where VD's cousin was really bashing Carrie's mother to other posters that were discussing VD's guilt. This person was stating that Carrie just happened to of been partying with the wrong people on the wrong night and now she is gone.
She also said VD & Tracy will be home soon and so will Carrie. Weird.

Here's the link where I read this.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6572

[starling]

Originally posted by zzziiinnnggg


I was searching for new info also and all I found was another forum website where VD's cousin was really bashing Carrie's mother to other posters that were discussing VD's guilt. This person was stating that Carrie just happened to of been partying with the wrong people on the wrong night and now she is gone.
She also said VD & Tracy will be home soon and so will Carrie. Weird.

Here's the link where I read this.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6572

Yeah and Scott Peterson will be out golfing Memorial Day weekend.
The cousin ~
That "you people" statement by 'the cousin' makes my troll radar stand up.
If all of this is truth - the beating, the partying - WHY was it not presented at Doan's trial? Why bring it up now on a messageboard?

[5boxersmom]

Originally posted by starling
5boxersmom ~
ANYTHING more on the local news?


Just now seen this.Sorry starling.

All the news has said is they are waiting on the test results from the soil and the barn they took apart.

Will let you all know as soon as something breaks.

Originally posted by starling


Yeah and Scott Peterson will be out golfing Memorial Day weekend.
The cousin ~
That "you people" statement by 'the cousin' makes my troll radar stand up.
If all of this is truth - the beating, the partying - WHY was it not presented at Doan's trial? Why bring it up now on a messageboard?

Exactly! It was like reading something from the twilight zone.

[findcarrie]

some idiot signed Carrie's guestbook saying that they found a body and all this other crap. you people just dont know how much BS we've had to endure from this Vincent Doan group.
There is NO news to support this post.

[oldshirley]

some idiot signed Carrie's guestbook saying that they found a body and all this other crap. you people just dont know how much BS we've had to endure from this Vincent Doan group.

You know, nothing surprises me anymore and this just goes to show what kind of scum VD and his family really are. Carrie's family and friends know that he and his family are the scum here and that she's an innocent victim in all this.
I'm so sorry Carrie's family and friends are having to endure all of this on top of her being missing.:rose: :rose: :rose:

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by findcarrie
some idiot signed Carrie's guestbook saying that they found a body and all this other crap. you people just dont know how much BS we've had to endure from this Vincent Doan group.
There is NO news to support this post.

some people have absolutely no compassion or empathy. This is exactly the type of thing one could expect from VD's family and friends.

I'm sorry you have to go through this kind of crap.

How long did they say it would take for the tests on the soil?
I know they returned to the barn after the dna, but what are they doing? Is there any news at all?

[findcarrie]

The soil samples "should" be back next week. Vince's site has a great love for all of us. If you are bored and want to read that jibber jabber about how Carrie died of a drug overdose and how she was at Messer's house -
Go read that guestbook. And notice how the same person is doing all the entries but calling themselves different names. Watch the typing mannerism. It's a dead giveaway. I find it totally amusing how this group is presenting him.

Hopefull some of the items that are STILL being tested & the soil will give us some closure.

:shrug:

[kcharjay01]

:rose: FindCarrie, my name is CC and I have been writing on Doan's site daily to get this woman to stop her lies and quit posting slanderous comments about you and Carrie's family and memory. As usual, she does not allow ANY and ALL posts that point toward Vince's guilt. I am at a loss of words for you and Carrie's family. It is truly sad what they are doing on that board. Period. They have the nerve to insult you, your work, Carrie's memory, Her Mother and her Sister. I pray that you and Carrie and her mom especially will be granted peace soon. I do reply to that troll over there that I hope Vince rots in jail along with Tracy and that she is evil for even spreading slanderous comments. I know that is wrong but it is all I can do to get through to them. I also tried to post on web sleuth and even though I registered I still don't have the option to do messages. I wonder why? Take care and good luck. DOn't worry about the dirtbag and her website. Vincent Doan may be alive and breathing, but he is in his own hell and will not get out. I promise you THAT. Keep us informed of what is going on. PRayers are with you!!

Originally posted by findcarrie
The soil samples "should" be back next week. Vince's site has a great love for all of us. If you are bored and want to read that jibber jabber about how Carrie died of a drug overdose and how she was at Messer's house -
Go read that guestbook. And notice how the same person is doing all the entries but calling themselves different names. Watch the typing mannerism. It's a dead giveaway. I find it totally amusing how this group is presenting him.

Hopefull some of the items that are STILL being tested & the soil will give us some closure.

:shrug:

I find every time I go to that site I get so angry and want to sign their guest book but I know it would do no good so I just leave.
I see what you mean by the same person posting.

I have a question you or others might be able to answer.
I have a prayer warriors for missing children community where I post everything from amber alerts, runaways, missing children and adults. I know when they are recovered alive or dead their pictures are removed from the sites like amber alerts and NCMEC. The problem I have having is finding out if they are alive or if foul play is involved. When a child is found safe I move their post to the answered prayers message board. When the child is recovered but was killed I move them to the gone but never forgotten board so that people can pray for their family.

I spend so much time trying to find news on one person that’s picture has been removed. I worry over if this child is safe and can't seem to rest until I find out.

Is there a web site that keeps updates on these children?
At the canceled amber alerts they list a few of them but there are so many that are not there. At the NCMEC they just disappear from their site. This is very frustrating. Any help with this would be a God sent to me.


Z

[findcarrie]

There is no need to get up on that site and try to say anything to them. She is not going to allow anybody to dispute that stuff they are posting. Every bit of credibility that couldve been available for him is out the window.

THey are upset with me because the PI called me and told me the shirt was the one she had on the night she disappeared - which somebody told him wrong. It was HERS but not the one she was wearing that particular night. You see this man lives in OH and I'm in GA. I cannot see the news and he made a mistake and by the time he got word back to me to fix it, well the DNA articles were out. So, they are furious with me and calling me a satanist liar - etc. I wrote on the site the error but let us make one mistake and it's the end of the world. However they can say that Carrie and her mother were sleeping with the man who owned the property and that's ok. Even though there are NO documents or anything to support that allegation..

So the website will be on a delay as far as updates because I am not posting a word w/out it folks being able to click a newslink to see it. I may not be the best person, but I wont lie about things. intentionally

This is disturbing but I feel like the good Lord is going to hear us and vindicate us for all the horrible things they've said that were not true.

HOpefully then her family can stop being harassed too. :o

[findcarrie]

to the lady who is trying to find follow up info on the missing ppl and kids. would www.angelsmissing.com be a possiblity? that woman keeps that thing very up-to-date.

she sometimes gets on this msg. board as well.

[kcharjay01]

FindCarrie: Why bother what those dirtbags say on that website anyways? You are so great to make sure everything is accurate there is no reason to doubt you or what you say. The only folks raising doubt are the Doan PUkes and the chick doing her website. I am doubting that they are sane and fair people. All they know is intimidation and lying and scare tactics to make others back off.

It is funny that they say if Vince was violent with Carrie then why has he had a perfect record in jail? Well I can answer that one: If he was violent in prison like he was violent with Carrie, they would kick HIS AZZ. The man that killed Carrie is in jail right where he belongs. DOn't waste another breath on those people. God watches over those who believe in him, hence Vince is in hell/jail and Carrie is in heaven.

Originally posted by findcarrie
to the lady who is trying to find follow up info on the missing ppl and kids. would www.angelsmissing.com be a possiblity? that woman keeps that thing very up-to-date.

she sometimes gets on this msg. board as well.

Thanks Jill, I try my best!!

And thanks for adding Russell Jordan:
http://www.geocities.com/RememberRussell

What a story. So nice to see that yet again,
you are helping another family.

:shrug: Any news yet?

[coolmomof4]

I've been wondering the same.

The best place to look would be her website.
Jill is keeping updates on it whenever something new comes up.

http://www.findcarrieculberson.com

[oldshirley]

I have a message for you freevincentdoan--I hope VD rots in hell.
YOu have a lot of nerve coming here and posting.
Please leave Carrie's family and friends alone. Don't you think your friend VD has put the Culberson family through enough grief?
How do you think it feels for a mom to watch a hole being dug in hopes of finding just a piece of her daughter to bury.
As I said, you have a lot of nerve coming here and starting crap.:flamemad:

Originally posted by freevincentdoan
This is a message to C. C.
We got your message it comes directly into our E-MAIL you can not alter those messages.We copied them as soon as they came in so go to the authorities.Jill and Miss Culberson will find out how two faced you are first you thrash Vincent, Tracey and their familys and now you are thrashing Jill and Miss Culberson how two faced can you get, all those hatefull masseges you have send us we got them all copied so go to the authorithies, we will see you in court...

I don't believe that this is necessary at all on this board. If you want to bash others than you need to do it privately and personally. This only shows how narrowminded and ignorant you are of what is trying to be accomplished within this thread. In fact, if you were smart, you would realize that this kind of message is just going to turn people away from your cause. (Not that many would believe in it anyway)

:flamemad:

[oldshirley]

In fact, if you were smart,

If that person was smart, they wouldn't have used the word "thrash" or "thrasing". It doesn't even make sense in the way they used it.
The people associated with freevincentdoan need to realize the people who come to this board are all victims' advocates and none of us here would even think of backing someone who has made the comments about a victim the way the folks on the VD website have talked about CarrieCulberson. Idiots.

[findcarrie]

I have not heard a word about anything. It has been a week in two days.

[findcarrie]

i want to ask a question to this message board. Ok kewl... alright.. here we go.

1. Have any of you seen us post ANYTHING in our guestbook that says that Vincent Doan is anything derragatory? No you have not!!! However I have a sheet full of boggus email address and ISP#'s where you all have continously come up onto Carrie's site and said thigns like: I hope the family is in pain because they deserve it, Carrie is a ________.

2. Everything we have posted on that website is something that can be backed up with COURT documents.

3. You think you can say whatever you want to and it's ok however when one of us strikes back against you, it's a whole new world and NO I'm not talking about a love song. I'm talkin about FACTS.

4. You have posted stuf about me, Debra Culberson & many others numerous times that you know can end you up in court. That's totally stupid. You should think about what you are doing. There are SO many people getting onto that website and are totally apalled by what they say. If anybody thinks our site condones that trash mouth stuff, they are wrong. The service I provide to the public is not some kind of trash. We present ourselves in a professional way. You however, are being seen by many many people and they think you are a total idiot. You are NOT representing Vincent Doan in a way that COULD EVER help him. This is why people are lashign out at you.

Whoever thinks I'm the one doing this, well they can check my ISP # and see that I dont have time to entertain this pathetic attempt to once again discredit Ms. Culberson or that poor innocent young woman Carrie Culberson.


Thank you

[oldshirley]

Findcarrie--don't worry about that moron coming here to post. This VD and crew seem to be scum of the earth.
In fact, I think the initials "VD" are quite appropriate. Just like a nasty, unwanted disease.
For Carrie :rose:
For Carries friends and family :rose:

I have a question about this Case. Now do not get me wrong I have NO love for the so called web master Jill. However, I have followed this case from the day Carrie Culberson went missing. And I know of her mother. And the never ending hell this woman has to live in.

In all the crime cases I have ever heard of or studied. I have never once seen a case like this. (And I hope I never do again.) That a girl can be murdered in the middle of the night, By her abusive boyfriend, her body hide from her family, The police chief ran out of town for warning the killers family that they were about to be caught "red handed" And her mother fights for justice for her.

That The mother has not only had to live with the torment of her dead & missing child. To top it off many of the towns people & killers family go on to mess with the murder victims family. That these THUGS go on and on threating the life of this girls family b/c her mother would not let them get away with murder.

Why is that? Could the THUGS that still go on threating the life on a daily bases of Carrie Culberson mother & family and picky on them. PLEASE post back and tell me why you go on tormenting, picky on, call names, and threating this girls family? It kind of gives new meaning to the word "COWARD.":flamemad:

Originally posted by fourboys
The best place to look would be her website.
Jill is keeping updates on it whenever something new comes up.

http://www.findcarrieculberson.com

I feel that this website is presented in a professional manner with facts and updates clearly stated. Every individual has his own opinion about who did what, when, and where, but that is all it is - an opinion. To bash someone on an open forum without facts and hard evidence to back it, IMO, is just plain ignorant. I find the freevincentdoan site to be distasteful and totally unprofessional. The plain truth is that no matter how much name calling, etc. goes on, there is still a young girl who has been murdered, her body missing and unanswered questions. That is the important issue.

As a side note, IMO, I think that VD is as guilty as can be.

:rose: For Carrie and her family - Praying that the pain you are enduring with unanswered questions will ease soon.

I think his sentence says it all - 888 years. Too harsh? Maybe it should be reduced to the more appropriate '666' years.

Herlock

[kcharjay01]

:rose: Jill I post here on a daily basis and have for a long time. Shirley knows me, Toxy and others know me. I also post on different threads throughout the day.

I am who I say I am and do not post negative posts that threaten or harrass others. I do get mad at folks like Vincent and have pmed you twice now talking to you. I stand by my posts and unlike Vince and his freevincentdoan board I do no resort to altering emails, threatening posts and make comments on for the whole world to see.

Unlike Vince who decided not to testify and take a lie detector test, I can and will do what's right. I for one would step away immediately if I felt that I wasn't doing "good" for Carrie and detracted from her site. I for one pray for her and even for the Vince followers.

KEep up your professional work ethic and trying to help Carrie's family. These people have nothing and will continue to harrass, threaten and intimidation on their side. That's okay too because in the end Justice prevailed and VINCE is where he belongs, in jail.

:rose: For Carrie, FindCarrie, Debra and her daughter.

[Justins Mom]

Hmmmmm now lets think about that. Gee, when I go onto his site and write my feelings, it will never be posted...hmmmph!

I am a life-long resident of Blanchester and am well aquainted with both Carrie's and Vince's families. I have never felt compelled to either read or respond to a forum before, but as I checked the internet for updates on Carrie's case I discovered the link to Vince's site. I read the content of his site just as I did Carrie's and from there I went on to read websleuths and this site's posts. I'm not really certain why I feel the need to post other than that I try to not "chose a side" in this unbelievably hurtful event in our town's history. I know what my heart and head tell me about what happened, but to discredit the views of either party in this issue is to negate the feelings of the people involved. I see the pain that both Debbie and Priscilla have experienced and continue to experience and as a mother myself it is unimaginable to me how these two must feel to be on such opposite sides of such a devastating and controversial matter. I admire Debbie's strength of spirit and her willingness to take her pain and make something positive from her loss and her continued efforts to bring Carrie home. But, I also admire Priscilla for following her heart and protesting her son's innocence and not being afraid to continue to believe in her son. They are each doing what any of us as parents would do for our children. It really pains me to see the posts from both sides that don't respect what these two mother's are feeling. Try putting yourself in Debbie's shoes and feel the pain and sorrow at the loss of her daughter and her total conviction that Vince is responsible for that loss. Now put yourself in Priscilla's shoes and feel once again the pain and sorrow at the loss of her son and the total conviction that he is in prison serving life without parole for something that he didn't do. No matter which "side" you choose, everyone loses when we draw a "battle line" against the truth.

To all the mother's out there-say a prayer for both Debbie and Priscilla that the pain they each feel will one day be put to rest by the grace of God.

[oldshirley]

I can understand a mom standing by her child and believing he didn't do what he's accused of, but to turn it around on the victim is unthinkable. I can't stomach reading the things posted about Carrie saying she brought this on herself.
That's uncalled for. Why say anything at all? Why not just say he didn't do it and leave it at that?

I am a mother, too. I have spent a great deal of time teaching my children right from wrong (for example), morals, principles - hoping to build character. I also know that ultimately you have no control over the things your children do. However, I believe that part of the lesson is to teach your children to take responsibility for their actions. Based on what I have read (I've read both sites) I, too, believe VD is guilty. I am not his mother, I feel no compassion for him, perhaps that is his mother's job but it is not mine. We all choose what we want to believe; some consider facts when forming an opinion while others rely on sentiment.

Herlock

I don't profess to understand why any of the users choose to name call and "slander", but it seems to be coming from all sides in this case. I've always been taught to allow people to have their own opinions whether or not I agree or disagree with it. Vince's site is his "side" of the story just as Carrie's is her "side". Vince and his supporters obviously feel that he has been victimized as well and whether we agree with that opinion or not-he feels it to be true. We all know of cases where the wrong person was sentenced for a crime and then years later the truth was discovered and this is what Vince is saying happened. I don't know what the truth is. I do know that this was a volatile relationship between two very young adults without the life skills to figure out how best to solve the problems they were experiencing. How this all played out unfortunately has two endings according to who you talk to. I don't advocate Vince or those who support him tarnishing Carrie's memory or questioing Debbie's past and present reputation nor do I advocate Carrie's supporters running Vince's family through the muck. I just wish calmer heads would prevail and find a way to get at the truth so that some of the hurt could be put to rest and the healing process begin. This has been an open wound for too long.

[findcarrie]

May I ask this board a few questions? Answer them to the best of your abilities within your mind. We will subtract all the witnesses who came forward against him, because they are all boggus anyway - to hear the supporters of Vince tell it.

1. Why did Vincent Doan move another woman into his residence less than 2 weeks after Carrie Culberson disappeared IF he loved her and was so distraught? Sure we all move on eventually, but two weeks later????

2. Why if he was innocent would he NEVER take a lie detector test regardless if was admissible in court??? Why did he declined to speak to the Clinton County Police Detectives after that one phone call when he was told if he knew anything, that he probably should go ahead and discuss it. Why did Lawrence suddenly pick up the phone and take over the conversation?

Why didnt Vincent Doan take the stand in his own defense but waited till he was found guilty to speak for about 15 minutes to the jury?????????????


3. How come even after he was convicted and is clearly sitting in jail with ONE appeal left, why wouldnt he answer a single solatary question that we tried to ask him??? If I were innocent like Vincent and in jail. I'd be jumpin up and down saying - HEY YALL... I DID NOT DO THIS, SOMEBODY LISTEN TO ME.

4. Why did Carrie Culberson have staples in her head? How did they get there? Did she ram her head into the walls? How did they refute that hosptial visit and papers? There was no prior violence - alrighty then.

5. How many children outside of the sancity of marriage does Debra Culberson have? If we are questioning her morality as apposed to Lawerence Baker. I believe she was married and had two children before she divorced Roger Culberson.

6. How come Vincent Doan's people forget to tell you about the prior altercation he had with a friend when a handgun accidentally went off and shot the dude in the face - over what? A GIRL. He never had any violent episodes of anger??? This is unfortunately when Carrie Culberson met him - while he was in jail. If anything, she made a mistake there.

So when one of us on Carrie's site gets a date wrong, but we have a police statement to back it up. Think about that.

That young woman Tonya Whitten & her husband... well their cars were torched for taking the stand during the trial. Lawrence Baker tried to solicite somebody to cut down the angel tree on Debra Culberson's property. Now these are concidential I'm sure, but I ask the viewers of this post to consider that. Why would you do stuff like this? Could it be the same reason and method as what happenend to Carrie Culberson on that fateful August nite?

Dear FindCarrie - I am with you 100%. I think you're "preaching to the choir", we're behind you. Your purpose and intent have been nothing but honorable.

I have a question. I seem to remember reading on the Find Carrie site that VD's sister in law testified that the night Carrie disappeared VD came to their house in the middle of the night to get his brother. They returned hours later covered in blood. If I have that wrong, straighten me out. My question is - was this ever addressed in court? Does anyone know what excuse was given or explanation? Personally, I thought that in itself was pretty "damning" evidence.

Herlock

I didn't come to this message board asking for sympathy for Vince. I came to this board asking that cooler heads prevail and for both sides of this issue to act with some semblance of decency towards each other. Both families are suffering and hurting and we accomplish nothing by pushing buttons. I am also a victim advocate, but I learned from my own case that you accomplish nothing by antagonizing the "opposition". Unfortunately for most victims and their families, they must somehow find a way to work with the accused to find the answers to the questions they so desperately need answered.

Either way, Carrie's family deserves closure. And with all of the speculation and lying done on both fronts, closure for them seems to be a long way off.

To Kcharjay01, you can find the information about what the jury found Lori Baker to be in the Wilmington News Journal 8-26-98.

[findcarrie]

You all, please excuse me. I am on my way to fly out the window to head towards church.

If you dont like what i have to say, well that is just too bad. You've said enough for everybody on 12 messages boards against the Culberson family and whoever that disagrees with you. Of course everything is all hearsay as far as you are concerned. If hearsay is true, then what are those 19 witnesses who came forward for your boy? They had nothing to prove that they saw her or that vehicle. Why in the HELL would a person be hitchhiking if she had a vehicle? How come NONE of these friends of the family couldnt get up next to that car when they alledgly saw her? The damn thing only comes standard with a 4 cylendar motor. Us hill billie rednecks down here in the bible belt know that is not enough to out run much of nothing, unless of course it's an elvis sighting.
I didnt come here to support you and your views. The last time I checked yall had to come up with a website because you were kicked off Carrie's A LONG TIME AGO.

This is some more of that stupid crap like the boggus caller who called in to the cops saying they were Carrie when Vince was on trial and it turned out to be a fake caller. Saying they were cocerned that an innocent man was about to be put away.

Also, you need to change your website because it took the jury 4 days to return a verdit not less than 3 hours. If you wanna get to nit picking.

I have proved my point here ppl. You see what we have been dealing with. This is just the TIP of the iceberg.

It is sad that most everyone wants to argue instead of thinking about the information that is given, what do you have to lose? But everything to gain if the information finds Carrie. Is hate more important or finding Carrie. I am not here to argue with anyone, I really want to know what happened to Carrie and I am looking at all the information I am given.Not just what proves Vince is guilty, if your a good investigator you look everywhere not just in one place, especially a place where you have looked for 8 years and have found absolutely nothing, dont you think its time to look other places too? Like I said what have you got to lose?Please help us find Carrie , please quit arguing. Too many lives have been ruined because of one girl's disappearance, whether you like Vince or not,he could be telling the truth....Both families are in so much pain, please have consideration for their feelings and dont spend time trashing each other.Carrie wouldnt want any of this. Carrie loved Vince and Vince loved Carrie, what a tragedy for everyone involved...

I seen here on court tv an interview that Debbie Culberson gave, she stated that she believed Vince killed Carrie, she believed it was an accident and he didnt mean to kill her. Lori testified how distraught Vince looked and even said that Vince told her you dont know what its like to hurt someone and then hold them till they die.Debbie said Vince is a likeable person..My point is, if she truly believes all this then go to Vince and offer him this. If he tells her the truth and tells her all she needs to hear, then give him the punishment to fit the crime,manslaughter and the years that that intails.Give peace to everyone.And if Vince still tells her he is innocent then look somewhere else because if he is guilty he will tell instead of doing life if given a deal.

[kcharjay01]

Has anyone heard how Carrie's mother and sister are doing? I know they mention alot about her mom and how she is coping but how is her sister doing? My prayers are with the family on a daily basis and I hope they find her remains soon so she can have a proper buriel.

For the person that stated Carrie's mom should go to Vince and talk to him, Shame on you. Debra has tried to get this murderer to talk and he was told not too. Being the man he is he could have talked regardless what Daddy and his attorney said, but he didn't. VINCENT Doan deserves to rot in jail the way Carrie was left to die.

[starling]

Originally posted by oldshirley

(snip)
In most cases, a random killer doesn't dig down under a barn and hide evidence. They toss it thinking they won't get caught.
Someone doesn't want her found and they've done a good job of hiding her from her family. [/B]

I agree

[oldshirley]

Debbie lost a child and Vince and Tracy's mother lost their children as well.

There's a big difference in case you don't see that--Debbie's child hasn't been found, she truly is lost, probably not on this earth anymore. She can't go visit her daughter. She can't hug her daughter. Vince's mom can still talk to him and hear his voice. She can still touch him. VERY BIG DIFFERENCE:cuss:

[kcharjay01]

Originally posted by bobbijo69

How can you sit there and commit about stuff. Do you live in the town of Blanchester, Do you personally know any body that has anything to do with this case? BTW the sister is married and has a little boy. And they own a shop in the little town. I hope that they do in fact find her body or her. They need a place so that they can go and visit. I do beilve that she does need a proper burial. But I am so sick and tired of people always talking Debra and how she is doing. Does any body ever stop and think about asking how Vince's and Tracy's mothers are doing? Debbie lost a child and Vince and Tracy's mother lost their children as well. I feel bad for both familes of this crime. Im just hoping that one day they will find her body and the TRUTH is going to come out. Vince will be coming home soon

The word you would be looking for is "comment" not "commit". FYI, this is the 21st century and we have a thing called the "news" that allows me to comment and post whatever I feel like posting. Since when do you need to "know" anybody to post here? Just because you are under their protection doesn't give you the right to question anybody about anything. Sick and tired about folks asking about Debra? Are you that deaf and dumb and not caring? I guess so. Your so blinded by jealousy and the fact that your boy is still in jail you can't see straight. Why in the hell would I even think to ask about Vincey and Tracey's mothers are doing? Vincey and Tracey are above ground, alive and breathing whereas Carrie Culberson was viciously murdered by Vince and Tracey helped dispose of her body on someone else's property. They are in jail where they belong where their "mothers" can go visit them. Debra Culberson cannot go visit her child anywhere. Those Baker/Doan boys saw to that and now the family is continuing on their wave of harrassment, intidimidation and physical threat from them. You folks over there really need to get a clue and quit posting under different nick names. YOU are all using the same language time after time after time. YOU or the Doan/Baker family can't hurt me let alone get to me so stop with your pms containing threats, intimidation and whatever else you want to. Vincey boy is not getting a new trial and shall rot in jail for what he did. Thank heavens there is a God because Vincey and Tracey will get what's coming to them. Once again, God Bless Debra and Carrie Culberson. Rest in peace child!!

Shame on me I guess, I live in Blanchester, I knew Carrie and her family.I have no hard feelings for them,I understand what they are going through.I also know Vince and his family and know what they are going through.Its been 8 long years for everyone.You call tracey a monster, what if the shoe would of been on the other foot? What if Carrie would of killed Vince that night and showed up at Christina's door? No one can sit here and say for sure what they would do at that moment. Tracey loves his brother.And yes if I was Debbie I would spend my time trying to talk to Vince and ask him over and over again until he told me.Debbie knows Vince,you think prison walls are tough, try living in your own prison of what you have done.Vince may be free someday but the prison he will live with will be there forever.Offer the deal again Debbie, for you Christina and Carrie and for Vince.Its hard to forgive such a thing,I understand, but you will find the peace you need in the forgiveness....

[findcarrie]

People, you all need to be aware of what is going on here and not just here, but what the family is having to endure on a daily basis, and on Websleuths. This is the type of thing I have been trying to tell people but they are now seeing first hand. Nothing is done in broad daylight or face to face. It's always something of this nature.

This same group of about 3 people, including one minor, wont even as much as look at the Culberson's face to face in public, however they get up on a national message board and say some of the most STUPID things, and not just about them, about me.

I just thank GOD above each night and I told Debra Culberson this... "I'm just so glad that anybody who ever thought for a second we were crazy, is now seeing what is going on, and how this group works". It wasnt just what happened to Carrie, it's happened to anybody who questions or disagrees.

I WILL NEVER STOP LOOKING OR ASKING QUESTIONS, OR ALLOWING ANYBODY TO EVER FORGET THIS PERSON AND WHAT HAPPENED TO HER.

If you dont like that, well I'm sorry. I didnt come into this world to create websites to please everyone, or to make everybody like me.
:tongue:

[oldshirley]

Findcarrie--I truly believe most of the posters who come to this website (you know the ones who really care about the missing) don't give a rats @$$ what the Vince Doan people are saying.
I'm pretty sure most of the posts defending him here are by one and the same person just coming in under different names or else none of them finished school. You can tell by their grammar.
As Kylie said in her post, we don't support a convicted murderer here. They need to take their case to Open Court or the DP board where they MIGHT, and I say MIGHT, get an ounce of sympathy.
Has there been any news since they dug a couple of weeks ago?

[kcharjay01]

Originally posted by oldshirley
Findcarrie--I truly believe most of the posters who come to this website (you know the ones who really care about the missing) don't give a rats @$$ what the Vince Doan people are saying.
They need to take their case to Open Court or the DP board where they MIGHT, and I say MIGHT, get an ounce of sympathy.
Has there been any news since they dug a couple of weeks ago?

:shrug: Shirley, I for one hang out on open court quite frequently and quite frankly I can speak for a majority over there who couldn't give a rats A$$ for Vincent Doan and/or Tracey Baker. They are meaner over there and would support Jill whole heartedly. Folks like the ones posting here slandering Carrie, Debra, and Jill are the lowest form. Maybe they should get a psychiatrist here and tell Vince's mother and followers that they were becoming enablers allowing this abuse to continue and for doing nothing to stop it.

:rose: For Carrie, Debra and Jill for doing what she does every day and for NOT backing down. God Bless them all.

[oldshirley]

Shirley, I for one hang out on open court quite frequently and quite frankly I can speak for a majority over there who couldn't give a rats A$$ for Vincent Doan and/or Tracey Baker.

LOL KC, that's why I was trying to direct them over there.

[kcharjay01]

Originally posted by oldshirley
Shirley, I for one hang out on open court quite frequently and quite frankly I can speak for a majority over there who couldn't give a rats A$$ for Vincent Doan and/or Tracey Baker.

LOL KC, that's why I was trying to direct them over there.

:rose: For you Shirley. Call me CC. All my friends do. BTW, I started a thread over thread for folks to visit here and show their support for Carrie, FindCarrie and Debra. I also linked Carrie's website and told them of the daily harrassment that Carrie, FindCArrie and Debra go through and to please show their support. Maybe something good can happen and to show the Doan/Baker family in Blanchester, OH there will be justice for Carrie, Debra and that they will not get away with murder and harrassment. Have a great day!!

Hi all,
I've been out of town for over a week and came to try and catch up on what's going on with the evidence that was being tested. Looks like an attack happened while I was gone.

Can anyone update me or give me a link to an update?

I'm off to work.
You all have a wonderful day!!!!

[kcharjay01]

:rose: For Carrie once again and for Carrie's mother Debra. Hang in there and God will reward you one day for all that your doing along with FindCarrie. The Doan/Baker clan have nothing. I understand the need to want to believe that your son/cousin/brother/nephew couldn't be capable of doing this but sometimes you need to look a little deeper, and put aside your hurt and anger and denial and see what is right in front of you. I wish they would do that and finally be granted peace.

:rose: God Bless Carrie, Debra and all the supporters of Carrie Culberson whereever they may be.

[oldshirley]

Maybe this latest development when they dug will be the break they need. What a great attitude Carrie's mom has. :rose:

[Kylie222]

Finding some of the clothing that she was last seen wearing buried under cement in a barn isn't exactly a positive sign that she's just a missing person.

[oldshirley]

I just read some of the court testimony regarding the abuse Carrie suffered at the hands of Mr. Doan. He sounds like a real winner :rolleyes:

[Kylie222]

"It's been too long without answers and although some might feel that Vince being in prison brings the answer, it doesn't. "



Will setting him free bring the answer?

Kylie,
I think what she means is that a conviction in this case, without knowing what really happened to the girl, is not enough. There can't be any real peace for the family or this town until they find her.

[kcharjay01]

:shrug: Well I have a question, why doesn't Vincent OR Tracey take a lie detector test or use sodiam amytal? There is no lawyer or his daddy in prison holding him back. I for one don't care if the lie detector test is admissable but it could lead to closure. The only thing I would make sure of would be that Vince would have to answer ALL questions truthfully with out stalling or hesitating or show any signs that he was lying. Also the other requirement would be that it would have to be someone neutral. NOT anyone that was associated with the Baker/Doan clan that could intimidate, harrass or threaten. If and only IF that test came back that he didn't kill Carrie, was not involved in her death in any, was not involved in deliberately getting rid of her body and/or car or anything related to the case, maybe then I would think about something else. Vince being convicted and seeing the history of abuse this man had in relations to Carrie, it would lead me to believe that he did it. All the evidence presented at trial leads me to believe that Vincey boy did it with help from his brother Tracey and other members of his family who know.

:rose: For Carrie, Debra and Christina Culberson.

[oldshirley]

Look at the history of abuse. Statistics show that if a woman stays in an abusive relationship, she's likely to be very seriously injured or killed by the abuser.

[kcharjay01]

Originally posted by oldshirley
Look at the history of abuse. Statistics show that if a woman stays in an abusive relationship, she's likely to be very seriously injured or killed by the abuser.

:rose: I understand exactly what your talking about. I was just reading from another site where supposedly that Vincent Doan "borrowed" his dad's tow truck and was gone for quite awhile. Seems things fall into place from there huh? I often wonder if maybe he did kill her in a rage and maye went too far this time. Then maybe Tracey and he did the unthinkable to her body and then buried her under the barn to throw the case onto someone else. This was calculated AFTER Carrie was murdered. Until proven differently they have the right man behind bars. Period.

[findcarrie]

Court TV's the System will be airing the episode this coming Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 8 p.m. about Carrie Culberson and her disappearance. The title of the show is "missing"
Please check your local tv listing to make sure you dont miss it in your particular time zone.

FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

Originally posted by oldshirley
Look at the history of abuse. Statistics show that if a woman stays in an abusive relationship, she's likely to be very seriously injured or killed by the abuser.

This is true! In my coursework, I read a book titled "Next Time She'll Be Dead" and it really struck a cord. I witnessed an abusive relationship that lasted over 15 years and each time I though-next time she'll be dead!

I'm not here to debate whether or not the right person is in jail. Vince was convicted for the murder of Carrie and unless something unbelievable happens, then Vince will stay there.

I just sometimes wonder how after 8 years nothing of the body or car has been found. For nothing to have been found after this long, it would seem to me that someone would have planned this out. And, I'll admit that is a little difficult for me to believe knowing Vince and how polite and mannerly he has always been with me, but I'll admit that not having been involved in a personal relationship with him I can't speak to what happened in his personal life. I think the hardest thing for the people of Blanchester who waiver between believing Vince commited the crime and not feeling 100% certain that he did, is that the whole case from beginning to end (or lack of an ending) has been so bungled and the rumors circulating immediately after and the witnesses on both sides changing their stories so many times that sometimes is hard to remember exactly what went into the books as the "truth". I do believe in my heart that Carrie is dead or she would have contacted Debbie no matter how difficult it might have been for her, but as long as there is no body I can't help but pray that God maybe has another plan here and maybe just maybe Carrie will return unharmed. I know farfetched and out of reach, but you still can't help but pray that something unbelievable can happen.

I am waiting anxiously for the results of the dirt samples from the barn to see if they can find anything that would indicate that the body was either there or God forbid "pulverized" as the local papers have reported. Maybe closure is just weeks away.

[oldshirley]

And, I'll admit that is a little difficult for me to believe knowing Vince and how polite and mannerly he has always been with me, but I'll admit that not having been involved in a personal relationship with him I can't speak to what happened in his personal life.

Do remember this--abusers come off as quite charming to other people. They're usually quite charming when the abused first meets them (probably how they draw in their victims).
Probably why it's so hard to believe he killed her, but the pictures of the abuse he inflicted upon her are there. Those are not signs of a nice, polite person.

Old Shirley,

Point made and taken. I was in an abusive relationship for almost 8 years and he was the most charming person to everyone but me. Well, I say that, but you go through that "honeymoon stage" where you think you are the most loved person in all the world and that he is going to change.

Which makes me think of a post I read earlier, not sure which site here or on Websleuths where someone asked about Carrie staying with Vince for two years and being abused for two years and still contending that she loved him-I loved my abuser more than words could say and I kept staying because I thought I could change him. You can't change the behavior, but sometimes you have to take the step to change your own life. I was "fortunate" that my abuse was more mental than physical and that I finally had the courage to say enough is enough. I believe Carrie may have been close to reaching that point when you look at the support system she was building around her. You can't leave when you feel like you are alone. It takes love and support and sometimes a "strong hand" like the one that Roger and Debbie gave Carrie in taking her to press charges. Carrie couldn't have done that alone and Debbie and Roger are to be commended for taking that necessary step towards helping their daughter.

[findcarrie]

I would like to make a comment for this online community to see regarding this statement on Vincent Doan's fan site about Debbie Culberson having the license plate to Carrie's still missing Honda CRX (license plate ROL402). Debbie Culberson does not have any material like this. At the time of the trial, there was a duplicate of the license plate made for trial purposes only. To show to the witnesses who alledgly saw the car.

It resides at the Clinton County Prosecutor's office along with all the other items that were used during the trial, example the large photo's of Carrie. SHe is not allowed to even have that back until the last appeal is exhausted for Vincent Doan. WHoever made that statment is making a false accusation.

:shrug:

[findcarrie]

All of you who are interested in this case, dont forget to watch the System tonight @ 8 p.m.. Carrie's story will be on. The System comes on Court TV.
I'm not impartial, but watch it so you can see who Carrie was. I dont want us to loose focus of what has brought us here in the first place.

Carrie - we love you and we dont stop looking until we get you back!!!!

Jill B.
www.findcarrieculberson.com

[oldshirley]

Thanks for the reminder. I'll be sure to watch if I'm home.

This is a yahoo group for people that want to stand be hide the Culberson family in their search for Carrie, and talk about her.

This group is run as a "tight ship" and breaking the rules can get you banned after your first post. They are not allowed to put Carrie or her family down in this group or sing your love for Doan and the Bakers. :no:

Also, messages posted in this group can be read by her mother.
:seeya:

Yahoo! Groups : FindCarrieCulberson
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FindCarrieCulberson/:

I watched.

God bless the Culberson family and all they've been through with that monster.

And, I have to say...how DARE he try to turn blame back on the family for "Giving up hope on er'." If it weren't for him, for his own actions, for his prior and continuous abuse that led to Carrie's demise, for his disgusting family covering for him and helping him with the details of the murder, for his blatant stupidity in showing up to a witness's home covered in Carrie's blood and confessing after the fact to a fellow inmate...this poor family might have had some hope.

And, for the law enforcement...the CHIEF OF POLICE to destroy evidence? Jesus.

The only hope we can have is that Carrie will eventually be found and that what comes around goes around to bite Vincent, his brother, his father and that Chief of Police where it hurts.

May Carrie's case serve as an example to law enforcement everywhere that has been touched by the epidemic: Circumstantial Evidence CAN convict and you have the power to help it happen.

Shannon

[findcarrie]

Carrie's memorial has been rescheduled for Monday, June 28th @ 7 p.m.
I couldnt post this until I had an article to verify what I say. Here it is below.

http://www.cincypost.com/2004/06/16/memor061604.html

I hope that this one will be able to happen.


Also, Carrie has new & improved labels on her site for anybody who wants them.;)

Carrie we love you, and we will look for you until we get you back!!!
FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

[HeronInTheSnow]

It sounds like it will be a wonderful service and monument. :rose:

[5boxersmom]

Originally posted by 5boxersmom
Hey nic nac,

I understand exactly what you are saying.The Brown County Sheriff almost lost his job over the whole Cheryl Fossel case didn't he?
I haven't heard anymore about it since.Didn't he try to open a few more unsolved murders also? I just don't hear anything more about them.It is almost like he got the message.Scary isn't it?


I tried to edit this but I was to late.I know he didn't almost lose his job over the Cheryl Fossel investigation but boy it was real close to when he was investigating it wasn't it?

[findcarrie]

Police have unsealed the search warrant that lead to this latest search for Carrie. Apparently there were two police informants and one of them was an exgirlfriend of Vincent Doan who still corresponds with him in prision.

Here is the article. Carrie's site also has been updated a few mins. ago.

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/06/17/loc_culberson17.html



Carrie - we love you and we will look for you until we get you back!!!
FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

Wow. It's probably unprofessional of me to even comment on this, but I'm having a hard time avoiding the temptation of it.

How can you people be so insensitive? Don't you think that we should perhaps revisit what all of this is about? Carrie Culberson is MISSING. Gone, presumed deceased.

Her family is hurting. It doesn't matter what you think, what your theories are, in what matter you believe she met her demise, her family is hurting. They want to put her to rest in the same dignified manner that the rest of the world gets to enjoy.

They want to place flowers on her grave, they want to visit on holidays, they want to have the closure that will allow them to move on with their lives.

How dare you people sit behind your meager little computers and battle this out as if you know what happened. The fact is Vincent Doan was convicted by the very system that protects you every day of your life. Whether or not you agree is beside the point.

You need to remember that these are people, real people with real feelings and real grief. Not just something you saw on television one night when you had nothing better to do. This is not entertainment, but a true tragedy.

You guys need to have some respect for the family and friends of Carrie Culberson.

This is disgusting.

Shannon

Orginally posted by allybeemer
Wow. It's probably unprofessional of me to even comment on this, but I'm having a hard time avoiding the temptation of it.

How can you people be so insensitive? Don't you think that we should perhaps revisit what all of this is about? Carrie Culberson is MISSING. Gone, presumed deceased.

Her family is hurting. It doesn't matter what you think, what your theories are, in what matter you believe she met her demise, her family is hurting. They want to put her to rest in the same dignified manner that the rest of the world gets to enjoy.

They want to place flowers on her grave, they want to visit on holidays, they want to have the closure that will allow them to move on with their lives.

How dare you people sit behind your meager little computers and battle this out as if you know what happened. The fact is Vincent Doan was convicted by the very system that protects you every day of your life. Whether or not you agree is beside the point.

You need to remember that these are people, real people with real feelings and real grief. Not just something you saw on television one night when you had nothing better to do. This is not entertainment, but a true tragedy.

You guys need to have some respect for the family and friends of Carrie Culberson.

This is disgusting.

Well said and my thoughts exactly. :beer:

Wouldn't it be nice to take all the energy in this battle and funnel it towards finding Carrie and bringing her home? The bottom line is that she is missing, presumed dead, and answers need to be found to bring her home.

[findcarrie]

The memorial for Carrie Culberson has been rescheduled. Please visit the link below for more information.

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/06/18/loc_culberson18.html


Carrie we love you and we wont stop looking for you until we get you back.
FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

[oldshirley]

Well said and my thoughts exactly :beer:

Ditto :beer:

[kcharjay01]

:confused: FindCarrie and others: Does anyone know of Vince's past domestic violence history with other women? Has anyone else stepped forward? It was good that Carrie came to her mom and they both went forward with the complaint of abuse. Too bad it didn't save her life. Vince must not have expected Carie to take it and was suprised when she tried to break it off. Too bad he had to kill her in a fit of anger instead of letting her walk away. There is never a happy ending where domestic violence occurs.

:rose: For Carrie, Debra and FindCarrie for all that you are doing.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally posted by Mother's Heart


Old Shirley,

I think that is a great suggestion. My original post here was geared at trying to make that point, but perhaps I am a little "too nice" or a little "too naive" to just flat out say it. The other option although most of you may not want to hear it is that websleuths thread is geared at sleuthing and looking at options.

(For those of you who go between websleuths and CTV, I am Blown Away on the websleuths site just so I can't get accused of trying to hide between two nics). I was speaking from the heart when I signed on as Mother's Heart and now I'm simply feeling blown away.

I want closure for Debbie, Roger and Christina just as much as the rest of you, perhaps more because I see the pain on a daily basis. If we work toward closure for them, then closure for Vince will follow whether that be that he remains incarcerated for the crime or be vindicated I don't care. It's been too long without answers and although some might feel that Vince being in prison brings the answer, it doesn't. We still do not know what happened to Carrie or how to bring her home and that is the ultimate goal for Debbie and the rest of the Culberson family and their friends and supporters.

With all due respect, do you believe there is such a thing as "healing" or "closure" for a parent when their child dies before them? Having seen my own mother' continued suffering after the death of my brother (as a result of a motor vehicle accident when his then girlfriend grabbed the wheel of the car), I can tell you my mom never got over it for 24 years when she died and she had a place to go to to be with him.

[5boxersmom]

Originally posted by findcarrie
I would like to make a comment for this online community to see regarding this statement on Vincent Doan's fan site about Debbie Culberson having the license plate to Carrie's still missing Honda CRX (license plate ROL402). Debbie Culberson does not have any material like this. At the time of the trial, there was a duplicate of the license plate made for trial purposes only. To show to the witnesses who alledgly saw the car.

It resides at the Clinton County Prosecutor's office along with all the other items that were used during the trial, example the large photo's of Carrie. SHe is not allowed to even have that back until the last appeal is exhausted for Vincent Doan. WHoever made that statment is making a false accusation.

:shrug:



The only thing I never understood about that being said was how could Debbie Culberson have the license plate and then a Norwood Police Officer seen it on a car.I believe both of them are suppose to be the front plate right?

Originally posted by 5boxersmom




The only thing I never understood about that being said was how could Debbie Culberson have the license plate and then a Norwood Police Officer seen it on a car.I believe both of them are suppose to be the front plate right?
Has the post said they MADE UP the story of Debbie Culberson having license plate. I guess they think people cannot read or rememeber court records.

The license plate was made to show the court and jury. It was NOT the real license plate and did NOT belong to Carrie Culberson car. Nor does her mother have it.

They now what to say Carrie ranaway and before she did with her car she said "Here mom hold on to my license plate for me."

:confused:

The Norwood cop that said he saw the car lied on the stand then back peddled saying he "Could of been mistaken."

:punch:

They just take as much mud as they can find and throw it up onto the wall and see if it will stick.

[starling]

http://www.findcarrieculberson.com/carriesupdates.html
:rose: God speed her home
:rose: For all the missing and those those who live with the not knowing, my heart goes out to you today and everyday

[findcarrie]

I think I know who had the auto tag from the vehicle. That was processed by the request of Richard Moyer for the trial. That is totally ridiculous. Refer to the thread on Websleuths were I posted about Lancaster on the stand and his recanted statement. That is a false statment just like the photos Tonya Whitten supposidly saw. In a world of hearsay according to them, that is a pretty big hearsay statement in my opinion. Ignore these people please. THey are not posting anything that holds any substance.

And if you think I'm just a bitchy one-sided person, notice how none of the direct questions EVER get answered. An example can help us all draw a final conclusion. Thanks, that is all I gotta say right now.


Carrie we love you and we will continue to search for you until you are found.
FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

:flamemad: What happened to the post I put on here early this morning?????????? What I had to say was just as important as everyone else, and they are still all here!!!!!!!! Just because I didn't say anything bad about anyone, did my comments get omitted? I thought this was a "message board"? Just because I didn't cuss out the Culbersons and say what BAD people they are or slander the Bakers and Doan with offensive comments, what I had to say was not important. Objective ,non partial posts apparently are not what you all want to read or hear. So keep on slandering, cusssing and name calling cause that is really going to get results.

:seeya:

Originally posted by Mother's Heart


This is true! In my coursework, I read a book titled "Next Time She'll Be Dead" and it really struck a cord. I witnessed an abusive relationship that lasted over 15 years and each time I though-next time she'll be dead!

I'm not here to debate whether or not the right person is in jail. Vince was convicted for the murder of Carrie and unless something unbelievable happens, then Vince will stay there.

I just sometimes wonder how after 8 years nothing of the body or car has been found. For nothing to have been found after this long, it would seem to me that someone would have planned this out. And, I'll admit that is a little difficult for me to believe knowing Vince and how polite and mannerly he has always been with me, but I'll admit that not having been involved in a personal relationship with him I can't speak to what happened in his personal life. (snip)

Maybe the next book you should read is "The stranger beside me" By Ann Rule. She sat next to Ted Bundy every night on a rape hotline they worked together on in Washington state and never knew what he was.

[kcharjay01]

Originally posted by LMJO


Maybe the next book you should read is "The stranger beside me" By Ann Rule. She sat next to Ted Bundy every night on a rape hotline they worked together on in Washington state and never knew what he was.

:eek: That book and the movie scared the living daylights out of me. Mark Harmon has Ted Bundy's look down pat and those eyes just scared me.

I guess Vince's mother never knew what he was capable either. Either way it's a sad case. The people most close to you are the last to know.

This has been puzzling me so I thought that I would throw it out and see if anyone had any answers.

The cadaver dogs all used in the search in the barn hit on certain spots. After digging, one of the theories reported was that the scent was in the groundwater that they located while digging. My question is has the origin of the groundwater been located? I haven't been able to find any information regarding it. It has to start somewhere. I know that around this area, a good water douser would be able to trace the water back to the origin. If the origin of the groundwater was located where the dogs also at that site? I'm just thinking that if the scent was in the groundwater, it may also be at the origin. Am I way off base here?

[kcharjay01]

Originally posted by phillis
This has been puzzling me so I thought that I would throw it out and see if anyone had any answers.

The cadaver dogs all used in the search in the barn hit on certain spots. After digging, one of the theories reported was that the scent was in the groundwater that they located while digging. My question is has the origin of the groundwater been located? I haven't been able to find any information regarding it. It has to start somewhere. I know that around this area, a good water douser would be able to trace the water back to the origin. If the origin of the groundwater was located where the dogs also at that site? I'm just thinking that if the scent was in the groundwater, it may also be at the origin. Am I way off base here?

I for one don't think that your off base here at all. I want to find an address to see if maybe we can ask questions. Also, I have found an address (now if I can remember what I did with it) with Vince's inmate number and the name of the prison. I was thinking of getting a group of folks together to see if we can't pursuade him through the power of God and prayer to see if he will come forward with information on what happened to Carrie. Hey, it's a chance he just might. I do pray daily about it though.

[Justins Mom]

I want Carrie found as much as the rest of us on the thread, other sites and the people of Ohio. Mudslinging and calling each other names, dragging families through the mud and all the he said and she said IS NOT BRINGING THIS BEAUTIFUL GIRL HOME.

Enough name calling!!!!

WHERE IS CARRIE CULBERSON AND WHAT HAVE THE le FOUND?

[RCOOKE]

Originally posted by Justins Mom
I want Carrie found as much as the rest of us on the thread, other sites and the people of Ohio. Mudslinging and calling each other names, dragging families through the mud and all the he said and she said IS NOT BRINGING THIS BEAUTIFUL GIRL HOME.

Enough name calling!!!!

WHERE IS CARRIE CULBERSON AND WHAT HAVE THE le FOUND?

I totally agree. This fight is taking place on multiple Internet forums and it's not helping Carrie a bit. I'd like to see more news on Carrie and less name calling.

Robert
http://rachelcookesearch.org

[kcharjay01]

What about about starting a fair, having a run or a walk or a daycamp or a day or an activity celebrating Carrie's life and what she stood for. Maybe a fair regarding domestic abuse and the sources available to help. Jill, would this be something that Ms. Culberson would be in favor of doing? I for one know and feel that she is in a better place but let me know if this suggestion would be in good taste. Have a craft fair and sell angels that would benefit a domestic abuse shelter or something in Carrie's name. Set up a scholarship for her in her memory. This would be a great thing to do so NOONE would ever forget Carrie and her family and what happened to her at the hands of a monster.

Let me know your input Carrie Supporters!!

:no: :confused: I am new to this forum so bear with me. I have read both Carrie's site and VD's site. I also am a regular reader at Websleuths. I am totally almost speechless. I tried to pose a question on VD's site, but from what I am hearing, it won't get posted.
Not really, but I sort of understand the Doan supporters saying that his mother will stand beside him. I know any mother would not want to come to terms with what happened, but give me a break, I have never seen so much denial in my life.
Also, the VD supporters are already in an uproar about the possibility of a fund raiser. I say go for it...I think they are just upset because the money that was raised when they first starting searching for Carrie, they were looking to cash in since obviously they knew where she was, right:shrug:
This is just my opinion, but I do believe they will never tell as long as daddio is alive!
Forgive me for going on and on, but I do feel very strongly about this! YES, I AM A CARRIE CULBERSON SUPPORTER, ALL THE WAY! There is NO ONE or NOTHING, no PROOF they could show me that would make me believe that VD did'nt commit this murder, HE DID (as proven in a court of law)!
May GOD Bless Debbie and her family especially during this very sad and difficult time in their lives....

[Kylie222]

Shouldn't the focus be about finding Carrie and/or her remains instead of the continual feuding? The more VD is brought up the more negativity comes into this missing person forum...which didn't have it before. Maybe that is customary at the Websleuths
site.

Most regulars in this forum have a missing person in their family or are strong supporters and advocates of the missing.

The feuding comes off much like what one would see on the Jerry Springer show which puts me off as having any further interest.

Carrie's mother deserves answers and strong kind support in efforts to find her daughter one way or another. VD has been convicted and his situation might better be expressed on the DP or the 13th juror forum so it doesn't take away for the search for Carrie.

[findcarrie]

That sounds like a good idea but right now her mother is trying to get through this memorial and she is waiting to hear about the soil samples.
There had been plans for the domestic violence shelter that was to be called Carrie's Place, but it never got up and running. Her mom does a lot of work with teaching about domestic violence. She goes to many places doing speeches to educate people about the dangers of domestic violence.

Some of the awarded money to the family from the mishandling of evidence by Chief Richard Payton was returned to the Blanchester Police Dept to educate all their officers on domestic violence should a call come in. The family didnt come out of that suit with oodles of money like some people may think. After court fees and returning 1 million back to the police force, I think there may have been financial concerns of opening a shelter, and having it be a success or not. Her mom still works each day and they dont drive porches either.

:read:

[kcharjay01]

Jill, How is Mrs. Culberson handling the day to day situation dealing with the convicted murderer's family and their harrassment? I for one will discontinue using the convicted murderer's name. These folks will stop at nothing to cause mayhem. God Bless Carrie and her family.

[findcarrie]

I guess the best way to answer that question is to say that she is taking one day at a time. This is exhausting for all parties involved and many unanswered questions still surround us. This is a test of our faith. I think that this memorial will help her to feel a little relief.

God will reveal when he is ready and patience is the key. I'm working on that today.

:(

[kcharjay01]

Jill: Check your pms please. Thanks alot.

Originally posted by kcharjoy01
I for one don't think that your off base here at all. I want to find an address to see if maybe we can ask questions. Also, I have found an address (now if I can remember what I did with it) with Vince's inmate number and the name of the prison. I was thinking of getting a group of folks together to see if we can't pursuade him through the power of God and prayer to see if he will come forward with information on what happened to Carrie. Hey, it's a chance he just might. I do pray daily about it though.

Have you been able to find out anything? I have been searching but have yet to find any answers regarding the groundwater and origin of it. :shrug:

[kcharjay01]

Originally posted by phillis


Have you been able to find out anything? I have been searching but have yet to find any answers regarding the groundwater and origin of it. :shrug:

Phillis, I haven't heard nothing yet. I guess we have to wait to see what is what. I am not good at waiting for things.

[5boxersmom]

I thought I would post this.The memorial is tonight.

http://www.wkrc.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=C215CA33-69BA-4C6C-83C8-BE916C599F7D

[findcarrie]

Tonight at 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, in Blanchester, Ohio they will be having the memorial dedication for Carrie Culberson who disappeared without a trace on Wednesday, August 28, 1996. Everyone who follows this case, please keep her in your thoughts tonight. Her family does not have Carrie back for a proper burial that she deserves. Please remember her and perhaps say a small prayer that the family is allowed to find her and the not knowing can end.

Here is an article pertaining to her story tonight.

http://www.whiotv.com/news/3467839/detail.html

[starling]

:rose:

[PCB50]

Prayers, Hope, Heart, Hugs and Faith for Carrie and Her Family.

IN Hope

[oldshirley]

Findcarrie, did anything ever come of the search at the barn? I mean I know they found articles of clothing, but was there any dna that could be use or are you at liberty to say?

[oldshirley]

May she come home to her family soon.
:rose:
(btw--let's keep it civil so this thread can stay open)
Hope it's okay I did this CW.
:rose:

[kcharjay01]

:rose: For Carrie Culberson and her family. God Bless Carrie and her family!!

Thanks Shirley!!

[Justins Mom]

Hopefully, we can all stay on track. Has anyone PM'ed FindCarrie to let her know?

[starling]

:rose:

:rose: For Carrie

Don't worry Levi ... I'd say that approx. 98% of the people that post on Carrie's boards feel that Doan is guilty. He's scum, and he's sitting where he belongs. I also believe that there are several people that know exactly what happened to Carrie on that fateful night, or know where her body is, and are too full of fear to come forward with the information.

I just wish that he'd spill his guts, and tell Ms. Culberson where he left her daughter's remains. Since he's not cooperated in the last 8 years, he probably never will. Animals rarely ever change.

Originally posted by budda-fly
Don't worry Levi ... I'd say that approx. 98% of the people that post on Carrie's boards feel that Doan is guilty. He's scum, and he's sitting where he belongs. I also believe that there are several people that know exactly what happened to Carrie on that fateful night, or know where her body is, and are too full of fear to come forward with the information.

I just wish that he'd spill his guts, and tell Ms. Culberson where he left her daughter's remains. Since he's not cooperated in the last 8 years, he probably never will. Animals rarely ever change.

I know we all feel the same about Mr. Doan. Lets try not to call names on this one. We all adults here and do not need to act like children to get our point across. We all know how we feel about him we don't need to say it.

Has there been any word on the soil? Is the doctor still out?

[Justins Mom]

It's not "us" that are calling names. We are all interested in what is happening with the case. We had a person or 2 or 3 come over from some of the Doan and other sites and begin spewing venom. I have been on the MP boards since inception and I next to never see the venom one would see when passions get heated. Remember the Elizabeth Smart board, the Daniel Van Dam board... Now the blake and the laci and others. Definite strong opinions.

Hopefully we wont have this with the re opening of the new Carrie thread and we can get some updates on the dirt and the car and other subjects.

Originally posted by Justins Mom
It's not "us" that are calling names. We are all interested in what is happening with the case. We had a person or 2 or 3 come over from some of the Doan and other sites and begin spewing venom. I have been on the MP boards since inception and I next to never see the venom one would see when passions get heated. Remember the Elizabeth Smart board, the Daniel Van Dam board... Now the blake and the laci and others. Definite strong opinions.

Hopefully we wont have this with the re opening of the new Carrie thread and we can get some updates on the dirt and the car and other subjects.

Please don't take me the wrong way....trust me I am 100% behind the jury on this one. I just know it is hard sometimes to let things roll off and not want to say things back. That was all I was trying to say.

[findcarrie]

I do not have an article to support this statement however, if you call the investigator in charge, I'm sure you can verify this.

The soil samples are not back in yet. When they do become available, it is highly unlikely that Carrie's family will be allowed to know the results and here is why. There are other search efforts that are not being released to the public or family in regards to Carrie. Releasing the findings may hamper the current investigation. This means that it could probably be an indefinite amout of time before anything is released about the possibility of Carrie being in that soil.

Many of us feel that the last search was much more fruitful than the others that they've had before. We continue to wait patiently hoping that authorities will release where they are searching and what they find. Just wanted to update those of you who are following Carrie's story.

Also, since our last thread got closed down, let's please try to keep this on topic and not about Vincent Doan. I have a goal here and that is to circulate information about Carrie.

[oldshirley]

Please don't take me the wrong way....trust me I am 100% behind the jury on this one. I just know it is hard sometimes to let things roll off and not want to say things back. That was all I was trying to say.

I'm with Jayfrog on this one--let's try to keep this thread open and the only way to do that is to refrain from arguing.

Findcarrie, if you hear anything from this last search, I hope you'll keep us posted, but I understand that not everything is for the public's knowledge. I'd hate to see anything hamper their investigation.

[Justins Mom]

bump

[findcarrie]

In light of the current events with Carrie Culberson who disappeared without a trace on August 28, 1996, the convicted killer and exboyfriend, Vincent Doan has requested a new trial.

http://www.cincypost.com/2004/07/10/doan071004.html

I don't know what to think about that. I hope the retrial isn't granted. I would hate that more money was wasted on him. Additionally, I wouldn't want him to get any satisfaction from being the center of attention and "in control" once again. Yuck.

Herlock

[Justins Mom]

VD, here is your trial:

Judge: How many ways can you spell guilty in 4 letters
Jurors: Only one your honor; D_O_A_N.

There is your trial.

Unbelievable. I hope we do not waste taxpayer money on him.

JMO - Justin's Mom's Opinion.

[findcarrie]

As stated before. ANything that I say or post on Carrie's site as well as this board, will have an article to back up the statement.

http://www.cincypost.com/2004/07/10/doan071004.html

Please read the above article.

[Justins Mom]

Yes you do findcarrie, you certainly do.

[oldshirley]

It's very very coincidental the article's headline states the Defendant is Requesting a New Trial.
Very coincidental, indeed.

Thanks for the info Greta, now we can all keep our fingers crossed that his appeal is rejected!

Herlock